#š«ć»vr-gunstock-chat
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I think itās called RAIDR, from the GhostsOfTabor.com
1: delete savegame
2: boot and configure hand pitch rotation according to pistol usage
3: enable gunstock calibration mode and create gunstock calibration for desired weapons
He wants to know if the Raider will work with Index controllers
works for everything afaik
Thanks my dude š¤
yes, people on here tend ot leave out a half dozen details with the things they refer to so it cuold mean nearly everything
i believe it! He asked in questions channel as well so thats why i figured lol
combine that with mispellings and incomplete sentence structure and you will find it prudent to ask for more details instead of assuming
Real, my bad I havenāt been on the disc for this game in a hot minute or two, I appreciate your guysā help š
Lookie here: #š«ć»vr-gunstock-chat message
I'll try when I'm home I wonder about it. It only happened with pcvr when I was in standalone I had no issue
Yooo thatās awesome
Thanks for trying to help me I'm sorry for my bad description I'm not native English speaker. I'll get back to you when I've done this.
calibrated my gunstock in hindout but when I actually use a gun the calibration is completly different and the game doesnt allow you to calibrate mid raid
its not the most obvious how these multiple things interact, thats kind of the key part to get it working consistently
do you have an adjustable gunstock?
@royal wagon no
you'll want to stick to having calibration enabled for guns you plan on using during the raid
if you are frequently changing up your guns and/or attachments in raid you'll find your non adjustable gunstock will be problematic as you have already noticed
When we get the Raider will be need to calibrate the gunstock?
shrug, havent used it yet
Never used a gunstock so i have no clue
i suspect i will use it to try to find an optimal setting
What would be a decent below 100 dollar gunstock for a new gunstock user??
HMU if you do cause i have no idea what im doing lol
ill post it in here for everyone
likely we won't use gunstock calibration at all... based on what I use anyways.
Any gunstock works well. Depends If that's what you are looking for. Gunstock is very specific thing to use and has strong and weak points like everything. Your aim gets more stable but you lose some mobility. I would go for whatever you feel confident you can spend on a gadget that might not be you cup of tea.
Do you use one personally at all? And what do you think about it if so?
I do and mind it I'm total noob. I like it it gives me the feeling I've been missing having two hand independently flooding mid air. On the other hand you need to get used to it and it's another heep of junk when not used. It also might be a problematic solution for a player with small play space
@weary marsh i got a 3Daptive ModusR VR Gunstock coiming which was around that price
I think im going to go with the mamut raidr
The gunstock supposedly made specifically for tabor
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Go for it I'm sure you will be pleased.
not yet
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nobody knows
Depending on the contracted company they might pump these babies out in huge numbers daily. Also expect first units to have minor issues.
I bought a gunstock and am trying to get it calibrated. I got it setup fine for rifles but now when I aim a pistol it's all jacked up
also check this channel for a pinned detailed guide including video
Thank you!
If I preordered the Raidr last Thursday, when can I expect it to be shipped?
nobody knows yet
you'll get a shipping email when its going out, possibly nothing before that
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@royal wagon watched pinned vid and it's interesting. Although I believe gunstock calibration needs some work I've been adjusting a lot by the akm for example. It just is so counterintuitive. Thanks for the good work and explanation tho that's what I need.

ive got some older videos on optimizing the physical calibration of your gunstock, i need to do a new one
its still valid though
Deffo
I believe the issue is that by grabbing handgun I trigger gunstock calibration for some reason but it's applied after you release the gun. One more thing could you quickly explain how to delete save ?
handguns dont have calibration
they go off of hand pitch rotation
when you grab a weapon it loads that calibration
if you hvae a weapon held and grab another it will load the newly grabbed weapons calibration
just regrab your main weapon when you get to that point
The only thing that seemed to reset it was to change pitch by a degree or two in options that's when it would go to correct position but as soon as I grab pistol and put it back it is back to you broken wrist
Can you create a clip?
Okay i need help finding a reliable stock, just anywhere between the 60-90 range
I'm at work for another few hours I will first try to delete save do the calibration again if it repeats I will try to record that issue
I emailed combat waffle and the let me know they didnāt send out emails for pre orders. But told me not to worry
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Yeah ofc I got a ss of the email if that would help, but donāt worry Iām in the same boat. Just worried I wonāt get it or something. But yeah hopefully we all get our stuff soon
You'd think that they'd at least send a confirmation email.
Legit, something just letting you know like itās in the system
Mine fits the bill. But I'm currently doing some upgrades to the shop and the product. Should be back this weekend https://brandodrumvr.etsy.com
Eeh
Some people made a gunstock outta pvc
But if you dont wanta build then id pay the money for a quality one
screenshot
80$ gunstock. The 3d printed sling holder broke so i uh āfixedā it
Not mine. Ask someone else abot pvc stocks if your interested
But it is possible
DiY is your cheapest bet.
https://youtu.be/R_HaTVXgz8o
I'm planning on doing another using an aluminum catering tray and magnets. It'll be similar to the split stocks. But I'll need to research a bit more
How I recommend you run the offhand(forward hand): https://www.twitch.tv/sweatygeckottv/clip/CulturedRealKangarooAsianGlow-rspWyA7nRZYPsK_2
-Just with my stock, not the https://www.etsy.com/listing/1433726625/speedrun-pro-vr-gunstock-meta-oculus?ref=yr_purchases that Gecko runs
DonZzzilla's iteration upon the original Poor Man's Gripstock. ...
Also the cheekrest sucked so i put it all down and taped it down with tape
i tried it
And?
its good for a diy, but pvc is better
No Good?
I'm thinking of doing one with one of these
it would be cool
Video coming out next month. It'll be more shapely and sturdy
i actually have used this one. does great
Lol actually? Share your notes and a photo of it if you would be so kind.
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Anyone wanna trade? I need a purple
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i am looking to buy a gunstock for index any tips on which one i should get
How do I cancel my raidr stock pre order
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I no longer want it
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Iām new to gunstocks any recommendations?
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I havenāt got my email saying it shipped
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Have they said how long shipping time is in the us
Is it the split stock? Looks pretty nice tbh
It is
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Have they said the shipping time on us orders for the raidr stock
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Why is the other one more expensive isnāt better to have 3 points of contact?
yes that is why butt piece 32 extra
Ahhhh I see so $68 is the stock and then the buttstock is like an add on?
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That makes a lot of sense now I was confused on the price difference
Anyone know when they are going to start shipping them?
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If i ordered mine about 2-3 weeks ago is that still considered a āpreorderā or im i gonna be on the backlist
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Dang so probably a couple weeks out Iād assume
So it wouldnāt be no difference if I order one rn or later when they start making reviews?
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Have they said if they are fixing emails not going out
It looks like a really nice concept hopefully it performs well
Just got email from Royal Mail and mines arriving tomorrow
Anyone elses gunstock calibration insanely janky? For me whenever I calibrate a gun it sometimes doesn't match what I calibrated and I can't aim and most of the time it changes the pitch of my hands when not holding the gun, like my hands are literally pointing to the floor in game when I point them forward irl, also makes reloading very difficult. I've found it better to turn off physical gunstock completely when using a gunstock cause then my hands aren't fucked but then I can't aim with certain guns like sks or hunter
i bought mine in jan does anyone know when they started backlist
Which January ?
2024 did they have it during 2023
Im talking about the date
15th
idk whats the mamut?
Mamut vr is the company who made the gunstock with CWS
You will get a tracking email once your order ships out then
Do we know what the email name would be if it was shipping in the us
Then just track that
I don't but it should arrive in your main emails so don't worry
Bet cuz I been had mine pre order since December I canāt wait lmaoo
Mine is preparing to be delivered ive been waiting since Jan 6th
I feel you haha
How can you check and see or is that in the email we get
It's in the email you get
Fasho
It should take until Friday for the email to arrive i think
When you pre ordered so early
Hopefully lol I screen shot both my bank statement for it and the order number just to make sure Lmaoo
Why has this game been out for a year and yet there still isn't a proper gunstock calibration? It's really that difficult at the bare minimum to let us calibrate each gun individually?
I don't know how they handle the pre-orders and backlist thingies, but I ordered mine just 2 weeks ago (Feb 19th) from Mamut to my destination in Europe. The shipping is on the way and I got a tracking number, so I assume that "backlist" can't be that big...
Iām buying a geartec
because if you need to calibrate it for each gun you would need to calibrate a gun almost every big update and when at a point there are more guns it'll take too long to calibrate each different gun
.
Go to group finder this is gunstock chat
My bad
What's a good gun stock for like 60$
Are you from Europe or USA ?
Us
Ultistock
why it kinda look like a lego box
Itās built from legos
well i hope mine will arrive soon too
From mamut or from got website?
mamut
š
mine left the country of mamut about an hour ago
You should also check out olenvr they have 2 different stocks around that price range
Are you supposed to get a tracking number for the preorders? Cause I havenāt got one yet
What is happening with orders made to GOT website? I have sent several emails to support@combatwaffle.com and I have not received a response to any of them.
hey i am having issues with mu forcetube any video or pinned msg?
It takes a couple of hours for Mikael to respond
For me it took about 12 hours before I got an email back when I asked a question
I wrote these emails several days ago and I have not received a response.
He might have a lot of emails with these new gunstocks starting to ship out
Iām pretty sure itās just mikael handling the emails
It all seems very strange to me, because I placed the order on December 23rd just a couple of hours after they announced the preorder.
Anyone thatās brought from the tabor website received a shipping email yet?
No I bought. Mine yesterday and got nothing
It seems that those of us who buy from the GOT website don't pay much attention to us. Something is happening.
@royal wagon Got an email im pretty sure
Iām just wondering because I have no email or confirmation my order went through and itās been a while since I ordered so I canāt find my bank statements
All I have is the order number the website gave me after it was purchased
The only email I got back was telling me orders couldnāt be cancelled because of them being shipped out already which fair enough, but still Iād like to know if it was confirmed at all
Or when it arrives just incase Iām out
When did u buy it
Pre ordered in December
Damn ok
Yeah tabor takes a lot of time to answer questions and support
I ordered from mamut since they reply within minutes
You ordered really late and from what I know youāll get it in second round of orders all first ones were already pre ordered 6-7 days ago
Ok thanks
Wish I did now, I only found out weeks after pre ordering your meant to order through mamut if you are from the UK, hence why the shipping was like £18 extra
So I emailed and no one answered me, maybe I put the email in wrong, but when I contacted staff, I eventually got the answer that I couldnāt because it was too late, so now just waiting to know if my order is even a thing
Do u know when the second round is
Mamut support said it wonāt be too late
U can join their discord server they will help u with everything
Ok thanks
I feel u
People from uk in the official server already got it and they ordered like a week ago
Iām from middle East so lol i aint gettin it until the end of this month
Do u know about the us
Iām from from the East Midlands, so hopefully I do, but itās annoying they could knock the door and I wouldnāt even know
It should also be fast from what I know but u wonāt get it in the first round most probably u ordered super late
I mean they wonāt take it back obviously, plus u provided your number so either they,ll call u or drop it off the front door
Dw too much bud
problem is how am i supposed to know if the order even went through?
i assume getting that order number at the end on trhe website but not sure
@proven brook how is it?
Weight ?
Like the stock in general
Seems a bit shit to sell it without the stock IMO
but still £100 all in isn't bad at all
With the buttstock and everything it weights 467 grams
wow nice
Just waiting on whitty to get back to me now, Iād be happy with just a confirmation at this point, and guess Iām gonna have to stay indoors until it arrives š
I just lost a fully modified ak alpha lol
Wrong channel
great
Do you have any other stocks?
Nah
Just gotta wait bro
december 26th for me and still nothing
just gotta wait for a shipping email
I suspect theyāre holding off shipping orders until the gun calibration is patched after breaking this past update. Thereās probably some fear that their will be backlash blaming the gunstock as a result of the buggy system
Send them an email. You donāt need to wait.
Not really. It's just a lot of work getting it out the door.
Are you all mailing them or does cws need to mail the ones they have?
We and CWS have different systems. We have no access to theirs. They do their send outs themselves, and we use a 3PL
the raidr is already in customers hands, so thats obviously not true >.<
That makes no sense
Since it doesn't really need calibration, that statement is a bit weird yeah š
So then doesnt that mean that all they need to do is put them in boxes and slap a label on them?
any recommendations for gunstocks? I'm a beginner looking into some. Ive been looking at the protube, but I was wondering if anyone had any better suggestions
there's just so many to pick I can't decide š
Wait a week or two for reviews of the raidr
Unfortunately it doesn't magically warp to the location as soon as it's in the box. Booking freight and managing the documents around it (especially if international) take more time than actually packing.
Iām referring to the cws ones. You said they have theirs for shipping.
Whatās the email address
Yeah, but it's the same for them.
Well, not the same in that way, we use 3PL with more or less unlimited resources. Before we went 3PL, we did it ourselves, that took a lot of our time, so I can relate.
@royal wagon I DM you if you are willing to give me 5 min of your time
Shipstation and shippirate make it super easy
please keep conversations here thanks
Can we hop on voice channel or something?
Just need a box and scale
Just text it why do you need to say it privately
as mentioned, please keep conversations here, thanks
I think he likes youā¦
I wanted to stream the issue I'm having since you asked to make a clip but I never even recorded anything from my vr. Thought it's going to be the easiest way to show the issue at least for me
you could describe it
Yeah, there are a lot of good solutions out there, as long as they work with the shop. Took us a lot of time and money to get something that synced with our shop and our 3PL when we understood that we couldn't really manage it ourselves.
OBS is a free and very simple to use application to create recordings
I already did
I have that rotating wrist issue on quest 2
ok, and you followed the steps i outlined including deleting the savegame folder? if you followed the steps your only recourse is to file a bug report, which will be much more effective if you have a video
im trying to find that goddamn folder but it does not exist
it does, follow the steps
i did it does not
then you arent following the steps correctly
i can assure you it exists and the instructions are correct, which part are you having troubl ewith?
now i found it was getting error with this command %localappdata%\GhostsOfTabor\Saved\
sorry got frustrated a bit
that command you copy and paste into run and it takes you to the right place
i did but it gave error i dont know why
Can you people stop typing in gunstock chat
If the guy has an issue and you want to help him do it in dms
I thought he was trying to scam you thatās why i said message here
Any ETA on the ghost raider š
do yall recommend getting a gun stock or staying with out one
For sure get a gunstock. But make sure you choose one carefully.
do you know if it effects like for example reaching fir my bag
or anything like that
If itās a snapping design like the raidr no.
what gun stock would u recommend?
If you want a gunstock like that i suggest 7thvr as itās 50% cheaper then the raidr
If you want the raidr you will have to wait because they need to make a second batch
alr thanks alote
one more question what if i have a handgun for example does it effect it?
Nope
chill. his issues are related to gunstocks and calibrations, its a bit of a tricky area in tabor and this is absolutely the place for that
One of my good friends @ashen hull has it and im waiting for my one to arrive @thorn mortar
I agree with you completely after you said itās about gunstocks
I thought it was about something else
The one with 2 controllers.
alr thanks
Happy to help !
are there any good gun stocks for the quest 3( i probably wonāt see your message right away so can u just dm me the names cause iām going to sleep š“)
ok First of all thank you for patience and help. Ill list my steps that i did to fix it
if ur stock isnt made out of pvc (the hardest material known to man) ur getting scammed sorry not sorry
oceangate would have survived if they used pvc instead of carbon fiber
lol bot deleted it nice
Plastics based on carbon fibers have a significantly higher strength and are also lighter due to their lower density.
Got that off google
Google isnāt wrong bud
literally, objectively, yes it is
No
u cant cite google in an academic paper
You are so braindead
you always take the bait
You donāt even believe google
i dont even need to try
ur an actual bot lmao
š¦me rn
At least im not you
2003 called they want their comeback back
ewwwwwwwwwwwww europeans
jesus christ can you guys chill the fuck out
no.
Why would i want to be an American
Tell me one benefit
free military
We're just better simple as.
Wrong. Your president cannot even run his country
I used mine on bosnia
I wouldāve counted that as a benefit if it was true
You're 12. you don't know anything about social context and you have autism, stfu
Iām 16
ladies and gentlmen we gottem
How am i 12 ?
16-4 =12
my bad, you're 16, you don't know anything about social context and you have autism, stfu
Interesting how you came to that conclusion with that name
You must be very smart
r u being homophobic???
No ?
damm wtf.
thats messed up bro.
His name is homophonic
literally it is not
bro just because I'm hay doesn't mean you get to make fun of me.
Literally it is
You are trolling on the server
You canāt even spell the word
bros a homiephobe
<@&1162175624228642816> cleanup in isle 3
Could you stop trolling and insulting
right
pull his up.
you shouldnt have your Xbox account attached to your discords if you wanna lie about your age bruh JS
Hate speech isn't allowed i think
I didn't lie about my age at all tho.
you did when you signed up for discord according to your xbox your 12
my xbox has been around for over 12 years.
then how old are you?
carpet bomb spoon
@pure crown refrain from politics in this server
Weāre here for tabor. Not bullshit
Okay i apologise
It wont happen again
Well just bought the tabor gunstock, hopefully it improves my long range with my shakey ass hands
It will
Did you order from mamut ?
I just ordered right off of GoT website
Its a long wait
Shheeesh lol
its an undetermined wait
Be like that sometimes I guess
i'd maybe not tell people things we dont have information about yet
I second that haha
its a loooooooooong wait
Well im pretty sure they ran out of stock
Ehh no rush, Iām not impatient lol.
But okay
Pun intended?
Yes lol
Nah, that's not it
Dm me link for mamut Iām gonna buy one for my brother as well. Hopefully he will get his before me so we can see how good they work lol
Yeah just joking
one sec
thats not a funny joke that was just a straight up lie
ur not allowed to lie on the internet u could get in trouble
Are you guys talking about the one for preorder? I didnāt preorder one I just got the $40 one
again, i would avoid telling people things you dont have any information about
Again ok
one more strike mr and you're grounded from vidya games
Stop trying to get a reaction because you dont get any attention
Yooo rage I was in your stream the other day itās M4 N Spray I did the subs lol
hook line and sinker
@pure crown you are 0/2 may want to think before you say thing kid
LOL
Cringe
You hopped on an alt
@pure crown no this is not the same person you have talked too before kid
this is another person who sees you messign up and is giving you advice
that is totally not gayfrozone420
Learn how to spell before calling me a kid
why r u harassing him
kid miss typing happens get over it

and i say kid because you are one
All good guys, thanks for all the info. You all have a good day
anytime someone changes the argument outside of what was being said, like spelling, means they know they lost and are trying to deflect.
bros never taken psychology before
if youre talking about me I worked in the field directly for over 10 yrs
im not lol
Fucking hell people
cgripvr best gunstock on the planet if u say im wrong ur just hating
any stocks that are suggested that are easy to put on or "equip" if you are needing to break necks? I do some naked runs and don't want to fumble getting a stock together
cgripvr with a 1 point sling
you know me
dang even after my question yours still the one
sounds like i need to look into it now
thank you! @iron loom
magtube is my pick for most versatile
$40 for the stock $5 for a sling off amazon and it does literally the same exact thing as any other stock to exist, although it is a bit flimsy. I don't like light stocks so I added a bunch of metal to mine so its close to the weight of a real weapon
@iron loom make sense if you're used to it.
I donāt expect to receive mine until the end of March tbh got mine off the tabor website
When did you order
and light is nice for long runs but I agree its not really the best over all. Mid to heavy is my pref too
Almost a month ago
agreed
Then you wont have to wait that much
It's pretty much one of the cheapest and simplest stocks on the market rn. You can find it on Etsy CGripVR. Stock even has a side grip for when ur rocking pistols
Be on the look out for that tracking email
Anyone use a gunface stock?
Ye Iāve been watching for the e-mail like a hawk lol
No looks pretty bad imo
bro the video on the website is killing me LOL
Its a pain haha. Im glad i got mine 1 day ago
@iron loom Oh!? How much you make per sell!? LOL
ikr, it looks ridiculous.
Did you order from mamut or tabor website?
nothing im not even affiliated with bro i just think its a solid, budget friendly, no nonsense stock lol
Mamut because im in Europe
apparantly you can use the gunface stock as a normal shouldered stock, but it has the stock over the top of the controllers which is not a good design
@iron loom LOL thats the best kind of review you can get I'm sold and I havent looked into it hard yet!
If you are using lighthouse tracking i dont see why its not a good design
But for quest ect. yeah
but in gunface mode on your face its preposterous
It looks like a meme gunstock
It's super novel. Seller pops in here from time to time.
i've tried a bunch of stocks and made my own. DIY is still #1 in my opinion but cgrip is pretty good for the price and its easy to make your own modifications to make it exactly for u
it has less of an impact on controllers that are tracked by your headset, but going from stock down to stock up is a lot easier if you grab the stock from the bottom of your controller
when you drop your stock where does it go? down
Mamut is definitely superior to tabor website im pretty sure mamut has sent out majority of the pre orders and tabor has sent out maybe a quarter idk could be wrong though
Yeah ur right rage
Mamut is more advanced on sending out orders
That's why it takes such a long time to get them out. Its documents ect. especially for international shipping
@iron loom I agree having the ability to do it yourself is the ult customization! My 3d Printers are down so that is out and being able to mod it easily makes it that much more a W. I only have my small printer so I can make mods that way. Thank you again I'm off to now!
3 people have recieved their raidr's today from mamut ! At least that i know of
Do you know if anyone got the raidr from the us shop yet?
mine comes thursday from GoT shop
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I don't sadly.
yes
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did you get a tracking number email?
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best you can do is wait for now. it's rolling out i'm sure
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emails are sent out on shipment
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12
me checking the track n trace knowing damn well there's not gonna be an update at this hour
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You guys are referring to the $80 stock correct? I purchased the $40 stock for something to try, just confused on what to believe haha. I can wait a couple months no rush if thatās what it takes.
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Wait... Did you order from Mamut?
the $85 product is the actual RAIDR gunstock
the $40 product is an addon to this stock, and not usable on its own
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Yeah... The $40 is an upgrade kit for Apto. Just the controller mount from Raidr
https://www.mamutvr.com/products/tabor-raidr-split-stock-buttstock this ones also 40
but sold out currently, so likely not that
Haha, yeah.
Restocking soon though
Thatās just the butt
I know, thats what im talking about
Oh dope okay no issue Iāll buy the actual stock as well
I was confused lol
Throw a mail to support@mamutvr.com
No need for the Apto upgrade if you don't have an Apto.
We'll sort it quickly.
Cool beans I will do
95XX
(ordered December 23, 2023)
Shipped yesterday (Tuesday 3-5-2024). Arrives tomorrow (Thursday, 3-7-2024) from GOT store
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Sent the email brotha, if you guys want just add the money I spent towards the stock and Iāll pay the difference
Guys guess whatš¤
Perfect!
Peter will help you asap.
When did you place your order? I forgot to save my order number. Trying to get an estimate.
CHICKEN BUTTš¤£
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yeah I seen that one but I'm tryna get one asap
Then get a protube
they ship magtubes ouot in 2 days
So, the people that already got the mamut raidr, whats your thought? mine is on shipping with buttsotck included
@nocturne lotus hey brotha if I get this from you guys do you know your eta?
Donāt mean to be a bother if youāre not sure just donāt respond haha, I wonāt keep asking.
No worries, it's cool.
Missing a few key components to give an answer though (unless it's in the mail that Peter is handling š).
From Mamut or GoT shop?
And to where?
Mamut, and I live in the US Kentucky to be precise.
Our very rough estimate is 1-1.5w.
Youāre awesome my friend thank you
Yeah if anyone ordered a MagTube today it'd likely ship before the week is over, and arrive early to middle next week
Would likely arrive Monday-Tuesday
Omg I canāt wait
I appreciate all the help youāve been providing. Wondering if you have any insight on order placed on the ghost of tabor site? Why are comms so poor? I never even received a confirmation email of my order. Iām concerned maybe it wasnāt placed?
O fr ?
I have the same concern too i got mine on GOT website and i never got an email i was worried maybe i had miss spelled my email or something i placed it about 2-3 weeks ago so i was definitely late but no email..
No one got confirmation emails from ghosts website.
No idea why. They won't talk about it
Ah interesting
Yeah it's very strange, I screenshoted the confirm page because it felt sketchy
Yea i left it open on my pc so i still have my order number and everything just in case
Gonna take a picture of it just to make sure
Yeah definitely keep that just incase
Bro Iām so damn excited about this stock!!!
Im hyped for it too
I suck at sniping because my hands shake, Iām a demon with ARās but Iām excited to see the change in my aim
Happy for you bro!!
anyone know whats going on with the raidrs ordered off of the GoT site?
the earliest ones have started shipping, you'll eventually get an email from them with a tracking number
guys what gunstock should i buy i use quest 3
no incremental information is available yet
Whatever mounts from below or is compatible In some way with quest 3 controllers
you got any suggestions?
did you figure things out @rich ocean
Mag tube is very good I have it there are others in same style. That mammoth or whatever they call Tabor gunstock looks also interesting and probably will be awesome
I posted thank you
? i missed it sorry
No worries
Wanted to post all the steps I've done for specifically quest users but bot deleted my message since it was similar to other people's
what part tripped you up that you figured out?
i can put an addendum or notation on my instructions with your finding
2 things I think first I did not enable gunstock first and went to calibration right away when I did it first time. Second I disabled all hand tracking mambojambo in oculus to make sure that I'm working with basic tracking . Thirdly I watched the vid and it was very helpful. One pointer with how quest tracks your gunstock setup won't work well since one tracking ring will get in front of the other from the headset point of view. But other than that it worked like a charm.
which stock should i get?
I suggest the tabor gun stock from biased reviews.
Tabor raidr
So I ordered the tabor raidr stock on 12/30/23 and canāt find a confirmation email for it. Is that normal?
you only get one when it ships it seems
Ok sounds good
So I guess I'm not the only one that feels like they have been scammed ordering the raider gunstock. Simply mindblowing they don't give you any form of a receipt to your email once you order. I have the bank statements so I give em another month or so before I reluctantly pursue this further.
Definatly not "normal"..... "sloppy" at best, "malicious" at worst
they had an issue with their store <-> mail integration so you didnt get the receipt email. its unfortunate
Unfortunate implies this was always going to be out of there control, I'm not willing to let em of the hook that easy
So, what should we do if we were to reach out to the email for customer help to get help on when OUR specific order will be shipped if we don't have the confirmation order with our order # on it?
The sea of people worried about being scammed/ feeling completely in the dark speaks volumes on the business practises with this stock
where do i buy]
wait does it support quest 3 controllers?
Youāll have to check but go to mamutvr.com
from GoT if in the US, from Mamut if not (I think)
its a "fit all" stock, should work for Q3. Is listed on the site though
which one do i buy/
definitely not a scam but a confirmation email was very needed
Having ordered from Mamut, communication was great from the start
wish i did now, even asked to cancel to order from mamut but i got emailed saying it was too late as shipping started
which one do i buy there is 3 of them
Tabor Raidr is the actual stock
Friday gonna be lit. Who else got the email?
Mine arrived in country today 8pm, so with a bit of healthy luck ill have it tomorrow/technically today since its 00.04 lol
i wonder if being in the UK and buying from the tabor website messed me over now tbh
I'm tempted to drive to Memphis and grab it from the warehouse lol
i didn't see the USA disclaimer
itll take a lil longer
it will deliver, just has to travel much further / might have to deal with import
i really just need a confirmation email, can't find my bank statement for it
then i can relax
Has anyone used the new gunstock yet? Is it good?
GoT's only doing the shipping email, no order emails
I only know of 2 customers who have it in hands, both were happy with it
guess we'll see then, but i got an order number off the website do you think that means the order went through?
you should be just fine
Yeah I think Iām gonna order it next week, Iāve never used a vr gunstock before but my hands are really wobbly and I like how the raider splits in half
raidr is also my first stock, when it arrives
Do you know why it still says preorder on the website?
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Same. I could not be more excited to try it out. If this stock wouldn't be on its way this week I would've totally bought the new butcher gunstock made by skolvr until then lol
Think theyāll fix their broken calibration now that they have their own stock out?
Some have mentioned the RAIDR doesn't need any calibration
Just one person though, and also the dude behind the raidr
wouldnt entirely rely on that
i run the freedomstock Vr. it doesn't exist anymore for purchase. but its the same thing basically.
Never needed to use gunstock calibration
One of my friends running a protube magtube is constantly getting fucked by the calibration ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Ill see how it goes for me with the raidr soon enough
That would be nice!
I can report my experience when it arrives
But I have a question, the mamut raidr gunstock work well with the grips? Because when you use one, you have to aim diferent, and I don't know how I will compensate it with the gunstock, and I guess the diagonal grip will be imposible to use...
No wonder since It does not have cheek support. So you have great freedom in your head position. You can use mag tube the same way it just takes more skill to get repeatable ads.
yeah, 100%. You need somewhat steady hands compared to using the magtube with a cheekweld
but it helps with being more free fluid & able to transition quick.
I believe but I think most of the calibration issues come from cheekweld usage.
huh, interesting revelation. Maybe?
It absolutely will not take too long, and you only would calibrate the guns you typically use. Unless you want to waste your time. The current system doesnāt work at all.
in-game canted rk grip is unusable for me. Yeah. Use a shift grip
Who was it that told me they don't calibrate their stock in game? I tried it and it feel much more comfortable. I just had to turn off the VR stock and enable the physical stock use.
. Abhraxxas?
When calibration came out i didnt realize changing calibration fucked how its held adsing so for like a month i had to point at like a 30 degree angle to get sight lined up
I tried with it normal and realized i was dumb
I didn't think the tiniest adjustment would just fuck things up. So I tried doing it by clearing my saved calibration and just go from there.
ill play around with it, see what works for me
OK.
Can anyone else say they had a perfect payment and received an order number from the website after purchasing the stock?
Got website to be specific
I did. Granted i ordered like 3 months ago and it got shipped out yesterday and now it will be here friday.
I really wish I got a confirmation email. My ass didn't realize they didn't send one and didn't save my order number. š¤£
I ordered mine december so Iām hoping I get mine soon..
Tbh we expect it because itās normally the first thing done
I really can't see any defence as to how this stock shipping has been organised, I don't necessarily feel scammed (yet) but I definitely can say the whole situation feels completely unnecessarily terrible.
you've clearly never pre-ordered something before
In all fairness pre-ordering nearly all the time gives you a confirmation email
So having to wait for an email for shipping sucks tbh, because if you donāt know your order went through your waiting for something that might not come
I almost didn't know if my order was placed even after I was told it was because I never got an email confirmation or anything. Tripped me up for a bit until I had to ask in the discord.
Wait so how did you fix it, you use a gunstock without the setting on?
Yeah
Well i reset calibration
So when I naturally raise it its aligned (like a rifle should be)
Interesting, Iāll mess with it later. Itās embarrassing how bad the calibration system is in the game compared to others though.
Yeah
I hate how you cant grab it and see how the sight picture will look when actually aining
I am now just mindlessly waiting on an email response to my email asking if my order is even a thing
Yeah that sounds like what heās saying, but I donāt think my grip point would be aligned properly.
What order number are they on
Unless heās saying to not mess with the right stick
Yeah setting on no cali
Then use the calibration for small adjustments
Biggest take away I've heard so far, is to NOT look at the temporary weapon you hold during calibration
Test an actual gun ingame, note the change you want (up a bit for example)
Make that change, ignoring the preview, and test again
Was it you that mentioned you in UK and got from the tabor website?
It was yes
I seen the disclaimer in December, attempted to cancel it to order on mamut but was told my email never went through after months, and by the time my email went through they said it was too late to cancel
Yeah, definitely will try later. One day maybe theyāll actually add individual calibration so itās not a guessing game
Which Iām fine with, but I would like to know if my order exists and then Iāll be happy to wait as long as it takes
Oh damn... Was gonna say. But you have spoken to someone about it though? It seems like it may come later but that they are aware of the situation, no?
It's funny because even if you calibrate specifically for an AKM (the preview rifle) it won't align for shit
That preview is just next to useless currently, it's only a visual indicator of your changes
Iāve been told the same thing everytime āemail the support teamā, Cornelius helped me out in even getting my email through and that was just to get the answer of I couldnāt cancel my order
I donāt want to bother him more now itās not fair on him heās just a mod
Yeah, like the calibration system in this game is awful. Which is why itās comical they are releasing their own gunstock let alone people actually buying it.
Itās incredibly frustrating that it seems like the devs donāt care about the issue
Iām hoping because I received my order number on the websites that definitely means I have an order however with a lack of confirmation email Iām obviously worried.
I can understand. Definitely sounds like a sketch situation on CWS side. Hopefully it's all being sorted out. I have my fingers crossed you get that confirmation email soon.
I appreciate that, I hope so too because this is fucking with my anxiety š, Iām like looking through my bank statements and not seeing anything but I remember the order going through on the site and nothing being rejected
I hate to sound annoying to the staff but this is frustrating and normally I wouldnāt go on so much about it
Iāll keep praying that email arrives
i trust the mamut/tabor team. Even if the GOT website is poo poo water
pretty bad ux
Tabor raidr will be delivered later today š
What is the best stock for tabor
I'm still waiting for my email, I pre order on December 24th
I'm in your exact same boat
I do all the time and it's only with these guys that literally give you nothing in the form of a receipt that im talking about, kinda a stupid comment honestly, I'd love to hear the defence of this system
What is the best stock for tabor
Guys I got the istock cuz I donāt like having to take second controller out to reload weapon seems like a lot of work. I also donāt want it to be to heavy especially when using pistols
Also cuz it was something in my budget
Whatever makes you happy man. Enjoy
Doesnāt the raidr split in half to reload easily?
When is GoT gonna send that email. Should of just bought through mamut
Please, there is no moderator or someone responsible here who can explain to us what is happening with the orders made on the GOT website and with support@combatwaffle.com, no one answers the emails, I have sent more than 5 emails in the last 2 weeks and Nobody answers anyone. Can anyone tell me how I can contact them? This is a disaster.
my stock from the GOT website shipped at 11am cst today i think i ordered mine like 30 minutes to an hour after the discord preorder announcement
never got an email saying i bought it but i did get a shipping email
Me about 4 hours after the preorder announcement, and no news so far.
That is unfortunate my best guess is one person doing the work of many so it's slow, this isn't the first time I've had something like this happen when preordering or backing something so I just tend to wait and see what happens.
To be honest I was expecting the end of the month for them to be shipped out.
So for the tabor raidr, is it where the handle parts where you have the controllers detachable by magnets or no?
controllers are fixed but can be moved I believe
only magnets are in the detachable bit in the middle IIRC
What was the first two numbers of your order number just curious how many they have gotten out so far
Does the raidr base set come with everything or is the buttstock seperate
Base stock and butt are separate
So do I have to buy the buttstock or does the base stock have one
I can barely see the stock in them dark ass pictures
How did you pay
Youāll receive an email when it is shipped. That is all I know. They are processing orders for shipping as we speak
debit card
As the shipping process has started now refunds are very unlikely
An official announcement wouldāve calmed a lot of issues
I mean theyāve sent a few updates in #š¢ć»announcements but people are getting shipping emails as of yesterday or so. The time is near š
I ordered 23rd Dec and just got an email yesterday
i could try doing a dispute
and confirmation emails for purchases
This was the intention but there was a failure in the system, from what Iāve read
I donāt have any more insight than the rest of you guys. Sorry
Thereās updates from a month ago but no announcement of shipping or anything
It seems silly but it helps to calm emails and muttering
I can only testify things are moving right now
When did you order
23rd Dec
Didn't order from GoT, but mine has arrived in country of delivery, so it's close
Itās kinda weird that the gunstock is just a tube wouldnāt that be uncomfortable to have on you shoulder
without the optional buttstock, its not designed to do that
Wdym?
https://ghostsoftabor.com/shop/ are both of these good?
I think he meant only for the base set no buttstock
Ahaaa
one of those is an add-on for the main product
Yeah, that doesn't go against the shoulder
Which one is the main product
the base set is just a tube
Yay, tabor raidr delivered.
One of the rubber thing that hold the controller was a little broken tho, must test so it actually works
This one? š
will the raidr work wll with other shooters cause some stocks have issues like that
heuyy me Raidr just arrived
How long did you wait and what country are you from ?
Netherlands
received Track 'n trace on march 4th, package left country of origin 5th (technically 6th 1am)
arrived in my country yesterday 8pm, arrived just then, 2pm
Seems about right
You said you will snipe a lot correct ?
ill be doing some sniping ye
Has anyone tried the Gunface VR stock? I was thinking of maybe getting one for my Q3, or maybe some like a Sanlaki might be better?
They both put the controllers on the bottom of the gunstock which sucks for tracking with quest 3
Or, maybe a stock just isnāt optimal for Tabor, idk, Iāve been using virtual, but I just have trouble with fast sight alignment
Get something like the magtube,raidr or 7thvr
I thought that was better for the q3, and bottom mounted cups blocked the tracking leds
Sanlaki and gunface are both bottom mounted cups
No they arenāt, they mount to the top face of the controller and hang from the stock
They dont ?
They both clamp the diameter of the button face
Get a magtube,raidr or 7th if you dont have the money for raidr
Iām pretty sure both of the stocks rings are designed specifically to not block any of the sensors
Then get what you want. I just gave you good options and you still want the bad tracking gunstocks for quest 3
Iām sorry Iām not trying to argue with anyone.
No worries im just letting you know
The rings probably are designed as such but it's still not ideal
My apologies, just been doing research on it and thatās what Iāve read
I was more curious if anyone has tried either of those two, and what there thoughts were
Arenāt there tracking sensors on the bottom inside of the grips though, that a bottom mounted cup would obscure?
There is one sensor in the bottom of the controller apparently, and some bottom mounted stocks do obscure it, but some actually have that part of the grip open so it doesn't obscure it
Ok, thanks Iāll do some more research
Do you guys like using stocks in tabor? Or does it get in the way with looting and backpack management etc?
I always cover that bottom sensor with my finger lol on the Q3
Iāve never used a vr gun stock before, Iām sure it would be really nice in games like contractors, onward, Pavlov etc, but Iām not sure how itād work with tabor
by the A button lol
only ever gets me on the right lean
Boys, ngl I'm heavy in the feels to drop everything and join the military again
At first using a stock is a bit weird to get used to, but after a couple days muscle memory sets in
Someone snap be back into reality
True, there IS a learning curve but it's not big at all...
maybe one or two raids at most haha š
My biggest problem is sight alignment. Like I can get my sights level and reasonably steady, but I struggle with left and right yaw. Itās not intuitive when thereās not 3 points of contact like irl.
A physical stock 100% helps with that
Yeah thatās what I was thinking. Playing with virtual gunstock feels like Iām playing with a rubber gun that I can bend in the middle lol
I think the top or bottom mount is purely preference. Top mounted ones have been known to have issues which is why a lot of people in this channel will tell you to stay away- however I believe there are examples of some working completely fine, just gotta scroll up through all the spam in this channel
Iām not in too much of a rush, still getting over the initial expense of the q3 and a battery head strap lol
I do have a 3d printer too. Maybe I should get it set up again. Is anyone aware of any good DIY 3d print options? Might be kinda fun and save me@some money making my own
If I had a 3D printer, I always wanted to try this one. It looks really good imo
I think @ashen hull knew of a good one too if he wants to chyme in?
I used this, it's epic: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6289919
Yeah this looks really good too. It's basically a raidr by the looks of it
Very true
I use this gunstock now: https://7thvr.com/
It's also similar to the Raidr but I love it
has anyone tried the raidr yet
People have, yes š
Did want to ask idk if this is the right chat but ordered a raider off ghost of tabor official website but I have not gotten a order confirmation email I was wondering if that takes until it ships or something to send?
i wonder if it was worth it
its a little broken rn
Is it magnetic in the middle to split for reloads?
i havent gotten mine yet eiather
This is feedback from the mamut vr server on the raidr
yes
I assumed because of how many are being ordered plus pre orders thank you.
i wonder if it calibrates well with other shooters
Last question. Can you use knuckle straps?
most likely
Thank you
i dont know for sure though havent got my stock yet
Gotcha
Yes I saw that later so nothing is broken š
Does this break in half with magnets?
That 7nth is very attractive for the price, especially if it does mag break
First impression after using it in ghosts of tabor, turtorial and 1 practice and 1 live Silo run.
Feels good, i have not done any calibration at all except activate the "physical gunstock" option in settings.
i want to use the buttstock pointing down instead of up that all the pictures show, it feels more comfortable. dont know if thats because i havent done any other calibrations?
after those rounds the screws had to be tightened again, everything with the controller mount was loos especially making the controllers feel like they twist.
in game it made using scopes/snipers much easier finally i can snipe.
the backside with the buttstock feels pretty heavy and that was that side the controller mount felt extra loose after thouse rounds. It feels heavy handing looting etc with that hand.
All in all it felt good but need to get used to it.
My only earlier gunstock experience is with a 3d printed MrTass QuickAim
The games calibration is hard , some of the guns dont have proper iron sights etc. and it doesnt hold the gun with 2 hands during calibration so it kinda bugs me out.
Yeah mate it does
I might have to order that. Do they ship fast?
Are you guys using a sling with your raider?
when you calibrate put your second hand where you want it to be, even though it dosnt snap to the gun the calibrator still puts into account where your second hand is
I got mine next day
Best to ask on live support on their site
for your location
Oh wow
I don't think you need to since it's attached to your controllers and you always hold your controllers
And it works well with different guns in tabor? How does it work like changing guns, like if I go in with an sks, and then find an m4, will it work well without adjusting the calibration?
i just went through and calibrated every gun, the only ones i found janky after that was some of the smgs
Oh ok, you can calibrate it by gun
@ashen hull Show him that video Pumba
What about the front cup position do you need to slide it in or out for different guns?
yes, activate physical gunstock then calibrate and itl bring up all gun classes
you second hand wont snap to the gun but still put it where it needs to be on the stock before you finish calibrating
Hmm what do you mean by that? It wonāt snap to the gun?
no, its weird and it took me a while to notice it still tracks your second hand
so if you dont put i where it needs to be and calibrate it, when you put your second hand on the guy itll skew your gun position
is the calibration so that you can have the gunstock ready and then the offhand will snap into place? if you grab with your offhand first and then connect the magnets it makes no different?
if you calibrate it correctly when you snap your second hand it wont effect where the guns pointing
Love the wave at the end lol
Also are you using a sling?
if you do it wrong when you snap your second hand itll mess up the position bad
ok, i will check the calibration next time. i have just tried it without any calibration
Gotcha so you just unhook one hand to pickup stuff or?
idk never used a gunstock so still new to all this
So what does the physical gun stock option do? And why do you not need it with the 7nth?
bandaging can be a pain but thats the only time you need to free both hands
well ill have to get use that LOL
i used a sling but only had it connected to the back of the stock and wrapped around my neck, that way it didnt get in the way as much
i only use it when i stand up
I've never once needed a sling haha
do you sit down?
Nope, I stand
damn ok, bandaging sucks though right?
Not at all
damn ok
Only problem I've had was the SKS
It was slightly weird to shoot, but then again I never changed in game settings
Everything else is fine
and you didnt calibrate anything right
Correct.
You might have convinced me
once you calibrate it its one of the best iron sights on the game imo
It looks great
I mostly use iron sights only
Well my Raider comes in tomorrow so im excited to see how it all works
Has anyone been able to find a contact form or number on the website?
Nice!
Does it stay attached well to the controller? Or do you have to keep holding it with like your ring finger and pinky
know you guys have got these questions for like 1000 times but what do you think is the best buget gun stock to start with?
Duel guns with stock š accidentally killed @pure crown
The controllers have sockets for your controllers, they stay in the cups on their own
Raidr if you can afford it bro
7th
I personally use the 7thVR.com gunstock as I've been explaining to these lads and answering their questions
The looting part is gonna be hard for me for the first few runs lol
my problem is if I was to get it I would and I was in the US it would be fine but I am going to have to ship it through a third party to where I am.
Do you have to take the controller got the cup to look? Then place it back in LOL
Worth for Raidr dude
USPS doesnt come to you????
Yeah
What do you mean bro
The stock is magnetic you can detach the controllers and loot etc as you normally would. I've never really taken my controller out of the stock lol. It stays in the stock when I'm not playing
Awe man, they ship out of the uk
Sorry just woke up and havent had coffee LOL!
So when you are looting, do you need to take the controller out the cup it sits in or do you just keep it in there?
Stays in the cup bro
Gotcha
Hey if you're UK based me and @pure crown are playing later
I'd be happy to screenshare
I will be sitting down today, my arms are FUCKED from the gym
absolutely in bits today
Nope!!
Do you have like a PO box or something?
They seem to have said that they aren't in the US
Raidr ships from Sweden I think
Mine shipped from KY
Lange leve Sverige šŖ
Anyway
Anyone is welcome to watch me and @pure crown play hahah
Mamut might have better shipping options
We make it quite funny š
Damn still no email yet, gonna be a while before I get this shipped
It's worth the wait !
Agreed. Waited since Dec 23rd LOL So was pretty pumped when i got the email
I've been waiting since January 6th the feeling when you get that email is amazing haha
š
Still two of my best photos š
Nailed someone with the barrett from like 50m away it was jokes š
https://makerworld.com/en/models/234346
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4874575
For anyone who want to build their own 3d print gunstock. I've made the quest3 adapter for this magnetic gunstock model (like tabor raid r stock). Feel free to download itš
nice one dude
Looks good dude however the MQ3 is definitely better for GOT as also requires not setup or game setting changes: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6289919
definitely yours is more customizable
same here! ordered on the day pre orders went live
just waiting on the email
Anyone got any recommendations on a good gun stock?
Raider
Does anyone know when the raider is gonna ship from the tabor shop
it already has for a few of us
Did you get an email?
just depends on when you ordered i guess?
Or any notification?
Like a shipping confirmation?
Yea
yeah i got two emails. One being the order is complete and the second with the shipping information
Awesome thanks
Welcome
damn gunstocks require some setting used to š
yeah like calibration but from what im hearing the raider doesnt need to be calibrated expect maybe for the SKS
is it 'expected' that if I can't comfortably use iron sights, but sights are perfectly fine? due to the height difference
or can both work with proper setup/calibration
and you also need to make sure the physical gunstock setting is checked
I made small adjustments for AWM and Barret
Rifles with sight, pistols, and few smgs ive tried all worked fine
SKS is a mess though, going to test around more in a few
Most people dont aim fully up with the sks including me
why isnt there a way to adjust the gunstocks horizontal rotation?!
when im aiming forward, my ingame gun is like 20 degrees off
does it stick for you to when you aim?
Could you explain what you mean ?
shes a beauty, magnetic gun stock from etsy, but i need to be able to adjust the rotation angle of the barrel, its like 20 degrees off, pavlov and other games let you adjust the angle, why doesnt tabor?
also, tabor needs a per gun adjustment, some of the guns are so different from each other in the same weapon class, like SMGs
and why cant i adjust the pistol class?
Pistols are adjusted from hand rotation adjustment
Tabor gunstock calibration is just awful but if you do it correctly it works fine.
believe me ive tried, they need to add a horizonal angle adjustment
theres no getting around it
pavlov has it, theres no reason they cant too
I know I come from contractors and there it was a breeze to set up
does anyone from combat waffle even care or look at these messages? i cant be the only one who noticed this
I'm sure they know, but are they doing something with it m? No idea honestly
sigh i was so excited to get my gunstock, but its like playing with handicapt when the barrel is way off
My raidr just arrived this morning whilst I was at college. I'm hearing it won't need calibrating just wanna ask if it does and what the best way to do it would be
If you want to be sure watch Clip by @royal wagon it's pinned on this channel he has good guide on how to adjust anything in the game if you will need to
Can you not rotate your controllers on the mount / tube?
Ghosts of Tabor is designed around adjustable stocks, so one that doesnāt have any adjustments is going to be problematic
RAIDR can slide across the tube (obviously), rotate left/right, and tilt forward/backward
just no height difference between the 2 controllers since its straight tube
yep. was talking to someone else about their stock, cant tell from the pic posted
I think I've got OK calibrations now
followed the video on your twitch
When letting go of the front hand, the weapon barely moves in game, I think thats the goal right?
and the sights are obviously lined up properly
For the height differencr between controllers can't you simply change the vertical orientation of the stock?
Like point a bit more upwards or downards to have one controller lower or higher than the other
yeah exactly, I just have the front controlled tilted forward a tad
Awe man, was gonna order the 7thvr stock, but they donāt ship to the US
No my stock offers no rotation, pavlov and contractors have software based rotation, why doesn't Tabor??
Is that the Ultistock?
7th told me to look to them, and Brando is what came up, but his shop is on āvacationā preparing for a launch
oh daing yeah theres some new things in the works š
Also, it looks nice, but it doesnāt look like it aligns the front and back controller, and thatās the only part I really have trouble with, I can hold pretty steady and level, but aligning the front post and rear sight is where I struggle to be fast
Looks legit, I signed up for the notification when they are back
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RAIDR arrived!
Reminds me a little of the kobra blitzer
Whatttt lucky!
Whatās the price on the raidr?
Damnnn that looks cleannnnnn
All in, I spent $125 (includes shipping) on the Raidr
Itās great
Iām so excited for mine, i need the stability so bad
Works rlly well and magnet system is amazing
When you order yours?
19th feb
Ty
Oh nice! They're getting to a ton of the orders then