🔫・vr-gunstock-chat

[royal wagon]

im just trying to understand the scope of your problem to try to find some commonality wiht other users

[warm vapor]

I've seen at least one streamer reset that at the start of every raid. I'll put something more conclusive together later.

It made my first attempts to calibrate confusing. I wish they would break that file into calibration and preferences

[royal wagon]

my hand pitch rotation is normalyl at +7

if i change it to zero it is the expected amount lower

if i change it to -1 it is also the expected amount lower

if i change it back to +1 it is the expected amount higher

you have gunstock calibration enabled or disabled when you do this

[warm vapor]

It was enabled. The test is to set it to zero and load a new scene.

[royal wagon]

go to market and back?

[warm vapor]

Set to zero. Gunstock enabled. Switch scene. Grip rifle or something long and see if it's level or pointing up.

I just thought of something that may or may not be a problem. I only have two weapon categories calibrated. I can mess around with it later. No need for you to spend a lot of time on it.

[royal wagon]

gunstock setting enabled, gunstock calibration created for rifles?

[warm vapor]

I had it for rifles and smg

[royal wagon]

yeah, no change for me

when you have a rifle held, with a gunstock calibration created for rifles, and the gunstock calibration enabled, the hand pitch rotation does not do anything

gunstock calibration creates its own hand pitch rotation

for that gun class

so if you have inconsistent behavior there, its possible you have a bad calibration caused by the previous bugs

which is why i request that you delete the savegame folder

after deleting the savegame folder set hand pitch rotation to the angle you need for pistols to work correctly, and then create a rifle calibration

if that solves it, delete your savegame folder again, set hand pitch rotation to 0 and then try creating gunstock calibration

i could see some kind of 'not reading the zero value properly' thing causing some inconsistent behavior

[warm vapor]

Yeah yeah. I've deleted it 4 or 5 times today. I don't have time to experiment with it further today. I'll do a more controlled test later. I was trying to understand the different adjustments and what they looked like today. Strangely they seemed to work better for me today than they did two weeks ago.

I appreciate your help though. I'll come back with another video if I figure it out.

[royal wagon]

yesterdays patch fixed some calibration process bugs

[warm vapor]

I need a batch file to delete that file at this point.

[steady ruin]

Best stock for ghost of tabor and onward?

[royal wagon]

magtube

[fringe moss]

Front mounted bipod, for games that allow prone

[open lodge]

Ohhhhh ok

[stuck oxide]

any good?

[royal wagon]

they fixed the main bug that was causing the implementatoin of the calibration to be inconsistent

[stuck oxide]

you mean it only aligning to one hand or...?

wonder if that means they fixed the controller tracking height glitch

[royal wagon]

which one was that one?

[stuck oxide]

whenever you grabbed a rifle in both hands your dominant hand would consistently NOT be where it actually is IRL when not handling a rifle.

it would always be a few inches higher

so reloading certain guns would become impossible depending on controller mounts, and aiming with pistols gets wacky

[royal wagon]

what headset and store do you have?

[stuck oxide]

Quest 2 Steam

has happened to me 24/7 for the past few updates and pre wipe. It didn't use to always happen.

[modest tide]

anyone using the mamut apto?

[fringe marsh]

I have the same issue

[shy mulch]

How well does this work with Tabor?

[autumn gate]

well @royal wagon i tried alot of methods getting the quest(or tabor is what i think) to track better, it doesnt matter what i try it keeps tracking weirdly when aiming, its not consistent and sways all over the place as shown in the video yesterday. i changed the frequency of the controllers aswell to update more often and checked if camera's were clean, also i checked multiple times if the controllers were in sight of the sensors, which they were

[royal wagon]

correct, this is the expected outcome when your controller is in the quest tracking deadzone

the quest pro controllers are what the real solution to this problem is

[autumn gate]

but explain me how is there a deadzone when they are in front of me?

and no other game has this issue, no matter how i calibrate it or whatever

can quest pro controllers be paired with a quest 2?

[royal wagon]

yes

the deadzone is created by having your front controller obstructed by the rear controller due to your front hand being lower than the rear

[autumn gate]

its not obstructed

[royal wagon]

you are using a stock?

[autumn gate]

not at all, checked it in passtrough multiple times

both with and without stock

[royal wagon]

can you show me your stock configuration?

[autumn gate]

its this one, and i dont aim straight forward, its always configured to be aimed a bit up

which in passtrough lets me see big parts of the ring

[royal wagon]

and a huge obstruction on top of the tracking rings which is well known to have tracking problems

and the recommendation for quest stocks is to make sure you do not have something like that

[autumn gate]

dude, how many times do i have to tell ya its just tabor, and its also WITHOUT gunstock

[royal wagon]

including from meta themselves

[lament condor]

Lol

[royal wagon]

but back to the non-gunstock side

which gun are you testing with

[autumn gate]

mostly assault rifles, or mp5

have yet to test it with snipers etc

[royal wagon]

do you have an M1A SASS?

[autumn gate]

i dont

[royal wagon]

AWM?

[autumn gate]

neither, but can test in tutorial?

[mental niche]

That's not always true. I'm using a sanlaki where the controllers go under and I'm having zero tracking issues in this or any other game. But the calibration system prevents me from using it in Tabor.

[floral sigil]

Pretty sick ngl

[autumn gate]

dont buy it! lol

[fringe marsh]

RELATABLE. What model do you use?

[floral sigil]

Why not?

[fringe marsh]

I'm using the pro version and it works wonderfully in every game but tabor due to the calibration system

[autumn gate]

the magnets are not flush, meaning theres always some play, you always have to keep a bit of force onto them otherwise your aim goes litteraly everywhere

[mental niche]

Does sanlaki have more than 1 version now? I got this one like 2 years ago, its got the thread on metal barrel and a square holo style sight on top.

[royal wagon]

i understand that people have opinions like this on stocks that have gear on top of the controllers, but this is a well known problem including documentation and recommendations from meta themselves

including a very wide amount of user feedback saying their tracking quality problems disappeared after they stopped using stocks of this style

[fringe marsh]

Yes, it does. There's a lite version and a pro version with an adjustable cheek rest. I have the cheek rest version. The lite version is much more barebones.

[fringe marsh]

Yeah, that's why Sanlaki had trouble starting off and had to go through MANY design iterations to fix the issues that controller under stocks have

[mental niche]

Well, it's not so much of an opinion in my case, as long as the quest 2 can see the edges of the rings it tracks perfectly fine. I mean I'll take a video if it helps. Smooth as butter and no jumping around when I hold steady.

[fringe marsh]

Same, I don't have any issues with my sanlaki, and it's super immersive due to the stock's design.

[mental niche]

maybe with other stocks it's an issue but not the sanlaki

[fringe marsh]

Do remember that other companies rip off sanlaki's design, monkey with it, and then sell it at a reduced price for profit

[royal wagon]

i need to find another gun that has the right shape for you to test

[fringe marsh]

Sanlaki is THE best stock for over controller stocks

[autumn gate]

Thats why the one im using has holes at all sensors, meaning they will barely be obstructed

[autumn gate]

Lemme know, will test for ya

[autumn gate]

Just by the gun thing itself though

[royal wagon]

i think the barret in the tutorial has the right shape

[floral sigil]

Ah okay

[autumn gate]

same issue, it shifts to the right or left when aiming

just as in the video, and checked passtrough, no issue with controllers etc, they are just above each other when aiming, so all sensors are visible

tried holding the gun close to me and further away

[warm wedge]

@royal wagon yeah so I get into the raid today and again my left hand was pointing downwards 😐 I've had to put it away and return to virtual gunstock, annoying :/

I give up

[tiny ember]

yeah i still have problems too deleted my save and still when i grab a gun at both grip points and put it on my magnetic stock it points to the right of where my stock is this is with rifles calibrated and physical gunstock enabled

[fringe marsh]

Same with me

[fringe nymph]

Same my front controller aims to the right so I moved my grip side ways a little

But if you find a fix let me know also what settings should I have on for my gunstock @fringe marsh @tiny ember

[royal wagon]

could you make a clip of the barret in the tutorial please demonstrating your issue? turn gunstock calibration on and off

[hexed spindle]

Just put a peice of memory foam on ur hand grip makin it not able to twist like that and for the magnetic people buy me magnetic grips or twist the controller and find a way to keep it that way

[pure crown]

I got the glisco carbon fiber stock but I’m looking for an upgrade is the mag tube vr stock an upgrade or no?

[ashen cove]

Does anyone have files to a vr stock to 3D print that won’t cost me a ton of money

[pure crown]

Only bad thing about this one is the back sling strap breaks very easily

[fringe moss]

Yes, maybe not major but yes

[snow spruce]

I can fix that, not to big a worry

[thorny delta]

hi everyone im currently using a quest 2 but using link to maximise performance ive been stuck on what gun stock to buy!!! i mainly use AR's smg's and maybe battle rifles/DMR's anyone recommend a good realiable stock that wont mess about with the sensors on the quest 2 controllers ??

[royal wagon]

magtube

[thorny delta]

thankyou i will look into their products 👍

[dull turret]

gentlemen I just popped in here but how we feel about the** ProtubeVR Magtube Gunstock?**

[royal wagon]

best in the business

[dull turret]

it's on sale for 30% off right now

[thorny delta]

wow was just looking at them they even have a haptoc stock to simulate recoil crazy

haptic

[dull turret]

Ikr! but me personally I'm gonna wait till I get a vest so I can get them at the same time

but for the magtube it goes for like ~$140 USD

[thorny delta]

yeah is expensive but seems very well made and so versatile

[sand sable]

i was thinking of getting one but they dont ship to canada and i cant find it on amazon

[royal wagon]

protube ships to canada

in 2 days too

they are better than amazon, just go buy it off their site

[slim crescent]

Does anybody know if they removed gunstock calibration? I can't find it anymore

[royal wagon]

have to be in the safehouse

[slim crescent]

I couldn't find it even there

[royal wagon]

update, reboot your headset, check again

[keen linden]

did this new hot fix fix the gunstock issue

[royal wagon]

maybe, i didnt even get a chance to check

go and check, i talked with the devs, there was a new issue that doesnt quite sound like what you were seeing, but im interested to see your results

if its not i'll follow up

[keen linden]

ok bet i’m oculus pc so it’s going to take a min

[warm vapor]

@normal grove This video shows the "grip settling" that is occurring when physical gunstock is enabled. This is a completely fresh settings file with no calibrations set yet. This can't be considered a feature because as Jink said it makes your gun shoot untrue. I counted at least 6 grip G symbols before it settled down. I can render another video showing how badly it rips the gun down towards the hand with a less perfect hand rotation setting. With physical gunstock disabled, the grip G symbol is calculated instantly. Also, that hand rotation set to zero bug is present in a fresh file. It's definitely a bug because the gun starts at a high angle. One adjustment will bring it drastically down. Then every one increment change in hand rotation EXCEPT ZERO moves the right amount. It's like a clock that is skipping a second. That's all on meta PC. Quest standalone had similar behavior but the hand angle wasn't updating after every click on the adjustment button. So it's either more or less broken. I've always had to aim high with the reflex scopes with the AKM and I think the first bug is the reason why. It's pulling the gun down slightly which is why I was having to put the crosshairs high. I'm done with this for the day but a huge caveat emptor to anyone thinking of using the calibration in its current state. Know how to delete your settings file before getting into this. You can even replace the current with a backup and save some time with the rest of the settings.

[normal grove]

Yeah the tradeoff of having gunstock calibration on for naked foregrips is that:

accuracy > speed to grip before it settles to the correct position to grip

You can totally just turn gunstock calibration off and physically calibrate your gunstock to have only one grip point.

Overall, I think this is a good step in the right direction. The grip points either needs to "settle" much faster or remember the last position your gripped for consistency. (I prefer the former)

Just as a sidenote, I run a adjustable magtube gunstock, physical gunstock: on, 0 hand-pitch rotation, and I don't "calibrate" any guns (so default positions)

[warm vapor]

Yeah I'm a new magtube gunstock owner and I figured I would give the calibration a go to get the most out of my new baby but I'm cutting physical gunstock off for now. I don't need to outthink a calibration system in the middle of a battle. I'll just go with hand rotation setting only for now.

[compact mica]

Hi, how can i calibrate good my gunstock for take gun without move the left stick?

[royal wagon]

The only thing you need with a Magtube is to pull the gun closer because the offset makes the rifle grip point pushed a lot more forwards

[keen linden]

can we just get the old system back already i just wanna play the game but nothing works

[royal wagon]

Did you check after today’s patch?

[keen linden]

yes nothing changed at all

[royal wagon]

Your problem is the grip points? We all discussed multiple issues today

Sometimes at the same time

Or was yours the angled to the left/right

[keen linden]

this

needed horizontal settings

still need*

[royal wagon]

Did you make a clip?

[keen linden]

if you turn off pysyical i can make it work but its still not right

like just not lined up with gunstock so completly ruins immersion

[royal wagon]

Ok actually the fix wasn’t going out in this hotfix sorry I misunderstood a statement

[royal wagon]

If you could make a clip of this, with and without

I’ll try to recreate on index and report it up

[keen linden]

shit i can go live and show you idk how to make clips ngl

[royal wagon]

Go live where

[keen linden]

twitch

[royal wagon]

Make clips there

[keen linden]

how

[royal wagon]

Hit clip button

If you have it save a vod that’s fine

[keen linden]

theres a clip button

[royal wagon]

You can clip later

[keen linden]

its more or less youd have to see the gun stock irl and in the headset to see what im talking about

[royal wagon]

Pictures and descriptions of you don’t have a camera

[ashen cove]

Does anyone have files to a good stock

To 3D print

[keen linden]

poor man’s gun stock on thingiverse

[ashen cove]

I didn’t find

[keen linden]

hold up

[ashen cove]

Do you have the link

[keen linden]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4545149/files

you’ll have to go to ace and get some parts but it’s 15 bucks plus time spent printing and assembling

works amazing for me

[ashen cove]

I can get these from hardware store?

Can I get magnets there too

I was gonna do the sanlaki but it would be super expensive to buy all the parts

[keen linden]

no you go get pvc pipe or wooden dowel rod that will fit (print part first then go find the rod that fits) and just glue the magnetic parts together and just slide controllers in and out of the couplings and use pinky and ring finger to hold controller to coupling

magnets that size aren’t to strong

[royal wagon]

This is your stock? It looks like you should be able to rotate the mounts outside a little

[keen linden]

can’t

[royal wagon]

That should fix the horizontal alignment

[keen linden]

i would’ve

[royal wagon]

It’s on a tube? How can’t you

[keen linden]

wym how can’t you bro it’s fixed

[royal wagon]

Is it bolted through the tube?

[keen linden]

yeah look close all the parts slide on the rod not attached

you screw them to the rod

[royal wagon]

What keeps the rotational position on the rod/tube

I see

Get another rod and adjust before tightening

You don’t want to have the controllers perfectly in line

[keen linden]

yeah i can send better pic in a min to clear it up because it doesn’t matter what you get you can twist the couplings that way and they aren’t

[royal wagon]

You can before you screw it into the rod

[keen linden]

bro i’m telling you can’t tho

i wish you could i get what your saying it just don’t work that way

[royal wagon]

Is it not circular?

All I have to look at is that url

[keen linden]

yeah but that doesn’t fix the fact that the rod is pointing at my wall and in game the rifles not straight

[royal wagon]

And I’m telling you why

There’s two things

[keen linden]

you can change the angel of the coupling they are fixed

[royal wagon]

One is the angle the controller rests in the cup

The other is the distance from the controller (which represents your hand, not the gun part) and the gun

You need to have a slight distance off center and not have the mounts perfectly straight

I fix this by rotating the mounts out slightly

[keen linden]

they don’t sit in line

[royal wagon]

If you hold a gun and it points sideways your hands need to go outwards

There’s the one handed angle of a gun which is determined by the angle of your controller

But when you have a two handed gun held both controllers that doesn’t matter

Because the angle is determined by the line between both controllers

If that result is different with gunstock calibration on or off, that’s a software bug, it’s not supposed to change that

[keen linden]

my high ass is like whaaaa

😂

[cosmic cloud]

.

[lyric cairn]

seems likee your the guy to come aboue gun stocks I have a magni but i literally never use it just because imo it's to bulky for tabor. thoughts on this stock? https://www.etsy.com/listing/1585617894/cgrip-virtual-reality-gun-stock-for-all?ref=cart

[royal wagon]

not very adjustable, instant disqualification for me

you need to adjust angle and rotation and height between controllers as well as shoulder angle and height

your body is not the same shape as someone who designed one for themselves

and it might not have even been designed right in the first place

[lyric cairn]

I like the open grip style of that. any cobra vr stock is so damn expensive. any other recommandtions for open grip stocks other than tomohawk or kobra

[lyric cairn]

also undersandable. right now im using a knock off istock i 3d printed. been using it for months now since i really just dont like my magni for tabor.

or do you think i should just start using my magni and get use to it?

[royal wagon]

i think your problem stems from not having calibrated the magni for your body, check my youtube vid on how to do it with a protube, its the same idea

[lyric cairn]

100% will do. Thanks for your opinion on the matter

[waxen bay]

What gunstock do y’all recommend that still allows you to loot?

[normal grove]

magtube (only stock i owned, could be better ones)

i keep my left (main hand) on the stock when putting away my gun and then grabbing my bag

Sometimes I remove the controller from the stock when I killed the whole map so i can loot faster

[normal grove]

But yea gunstocks makes looting slower which can get you killed

trade-offs for better aim + 3 point muscle memory

[strange field]

I haven't had time to play the new patch but does anyone have any experience with the new gunstock calibration patch? I've been waiting for this for quite a while now.

[normal grove]

It's a good step in the right direction, just some cons to it

[normal grove]

#🔫・vr-gunstock-chat message

heres a video of the new multiple grip points for physical gunstock users

[strange field]

Yeah I bet theres still a lotta issues with it, would you say its more usable now? Cuz It was completely unusable for me with the protube

[strange field]

ill check it out ty

[normal grove]

it makes it so that when you aim in with one hand, the second hand doesnt move the aim/pitch/yaw of the gun anymore

only works for non-forgrip weapons

Overall W for aiming, but you might have some issues in-game when using it. for me i have to wait 1.5-2 seconds to grip the gun or else the gun's aim is off

you'll know what i mean when you try it out on guns like the AKM or no-foregrip M4

[strange field]

I see thats cool does it mean the gun will stay about the same whether you're gripping it with the foregrip or not?

[strange field]

Yeah I just watched the video it seems to jerk right a little bit

[normal grove]

if theres a foregrip, its basically the same as last patch

[normal grove]

that jerk happens if you grip too fast. Wait a bit for your hand to settle, then grip

You might not have this issue if you have a better protube phys calibration setup

Just on mine, with the AKM, this thing happens

[waxen bay]

Yea figured was looking to get one with just a stock so it’s not so long and can move easier

[normal grove]

IMO you just need an adjustable gunstock cause gun calibration isnt 100% yet

I think this is gunstock calibration update 3

[strange field]

ohh I see, I try to setup my gunstock in a way so its as realistic as possible to my IRL gun

[normal grove]

yeah

[strange field]

I'll check it out when I get the chance

[true thicket]

This new calibration absolutely blows. So many guns unusable in quick 'get to work' situations

[nocturne flax]

For quest users we don’t really need to worry about calibration?. I have my actual gunstock set to where as soon as I line up it’s over with

[strange field]

tbh for me the biggest issue is the gun tends to flick up randomly making it unusable

[true thicket]

mine cant to the left or just points the barrel to the ground

cants* to

[strange field]

and the fact that different guns in the same category has different geometries so it doesn't line up correctly when Its set for another weapon

[strange field]

yeah exactly that lol

[nocturne flax]

The scar in raids use to give me lots of trouble with it being slow and funky to work with, it’s been a minute since i played since last wipe so I’m wondering if they made any adjustments that’s improved for quest users

[true thicket]

I'm a quest user, using the magnistock. I feel personally its gone backwards

calibration wise**

[nocturne flax]

Ah fack

Well I never calibrated like my stuff for certain guns, I have my pro tube stock set to where I line up no matter what when I aim but I’ll see what you’re talking about

[strange field]

wym by that? Cuz for example the default calibration for the SMGs is the mp5 and it lines up for me with the MP5 but whenever I pickup something per se the thompson it just completely throws off my aim and reloading always hits the controllers together

[nocturne flax]

Well for me mid raid I can adjust my buttstock to certain angles to match the iron sites with any weapon so I never needed to calibrate for anything but yeah I see what you mean with the reloading but if that’s the case about having a mp5 then picking up the Tommy where the aim just throws you off then yeah calibration definitely went backwards

[strange field]

oh no I haven't played the new patch yet I was referring to before like sometime around july

[nocturne flax]

Ahhhhh okay, yeah I haven’t gotten a chance to play since last wipe so tomorrow I’ll definitely be testing to see how it goes

[warm wedge]

okay, so the problem with left hand pointing down is only on Oculus PCVR version - on standalone I cannot reproduce this issue...

[warm vapor]

Here is my bug report in regards to that hand rotation bug. I'm wondering if it's something others experience but they have just gotten used to it or if it's something on my end. I deleted the settings file before testing. #1180187497674842194 message

[steady ruin]

Anyone have the tabor raidr stock i

I wanna know if it’s any good

[royal wagon]

its not out yet

[steady ruin]

Oh yeah I didn’t notice that in the store mb

[deep meadow]

can someome dm me a cheap gunstock please

[lethal sinew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_HaTVXgz8o

[unique reef]

Anyone have any suggestions for a good gun stock? I’ve been looking at the Ultibrace.

[royal wagon]

magtube

[hollow bear]

Is the Kobra cqb a good gunstock for ghosts of tabor on oculus?

Anyone know

[royal wagon]

limited adjustments, cant change height between controllers, this is critical for tabor

[old elm]

For the tabor gunstock do you need the base set first or no?

[hollow bear]

Base set?

[old elm]

That

[royal wagon]

nobody has one yet, so nobody knows, but i anticipate the base set is the core product, and you would add extra stuff on top of it

[hollow bear]

That’s cool when does it come out

[old elm]

Ok thanks
I'm looking into cheaper gunstocks so I was wondering

[hollow bear]

Would the kobra cqb be unusable for tabor?

[royal wagon]

you'll have challenges

and may be unsatisfied with the results

[old elm]

Do you know of any cheapish gunstocks that could work for tabor

[hollow bear]

Yeah the raidr might be the one for me then

[royal wagon]

in my opinion, and this has held true for 7 years, you need to have at minimum
1: per controller vertical angle adjustment
2: height between controller adjustment
3: distance of controller adjustment
4: magnetic attachment
5: butt stock
6: cheek rest

[hollow bear]

Does the raidr have all these things

[royal wagon]

not having #1-3 means you will not get a good alignment with guns in all games and will not be able to ADS properly

it does not

[slow quartz]

I'm having issues with physical gun calibration on quest 2 VR, Seems like when I align everything with the gun (I think AKM) it is perfectly sighted, but when I pick up the starting M4 and ADS, the inside of the gun is at eye level. I go back into the gun calibration settings to see if I did something wrong but when I ADS with the same gun (AKM) it is still perfectly aligned.

[royal wagon]

the raider has #3, #4 and i think #1

[hollow bear]

Isn’t that what the calibration in game is for?

[royal wagon]

dont try to ADS with he gun in calibration, look at the gun you want to adjust and think about how it could be adjusted to improve the calibration, then do that with the calibration

check the pinned guide on how to use the calibraiton tool

[royal wagon]

the game does not have sufficiently advanced calibration features to let you do this with guns that lack said features

tabor has extremely realistic gun->hand placements, related to angle and height

due to this the shape of guns when you hold them varies dramatically

a fixed non adjustable gunstock is going to be VERY challenging to use if your goal is a cheek weld to ADS

[hollow bear]

Alright so do you have a good all around gunstock. It doesn’t matter if it isn’t cheap

[royal wagon]

magtube

[slow quartz]

Preciate it. So it isn't a full representation of the firearm sadly. So I'm sort of forced to use one specific firearm due to that. Anytime I pick up a different AR then the AKM it is really BONKERS out.

Also the hand rotation also seems bugged to and keeps resetting

[royal wagon]

yes, the changes you make to the gun offset apply to the whole class

what is your hand rotation offset?

also, when you create a gunstock calibration that overrides the hand rotation offset

[hollow bear]

After looking at the mag tube I couldn’t figure out how you detach the controller for reloading or grabbing your back pack.

[royal wagon]

so if you switch between weapons or pistols your hand rotation offset will essentially change per class

[slow quartz]

it is at +50 but everytime I go back or grab a gun it resets it or something. I would have to go back into the settings and hit either +1 or 01 back and forth to fix it again.

[royal wagon]

you just pop it off, its magnetically attached, its really, really, really, really fast

+50 is an insane number for hand rotation offset

it should be like, +5

delete your savegamea nd start over, something might be messed up. rotation and calibration data is stored there

[hollow bear]

Ooh I like that thank you very much in helping me make my desicion

[slow quartz]

Roger, I will follow the pinned section for this.

[slow quartz]

Thanks rage, it helped a lot knowing that the AKM was not defaulted to all firearms. Plus I reset everything and it is solid so far. Thought it was unplayale for a moment and wasted $ there haha. Wishing they could come out with a better optimization/calibration for each firearm. That would be much better then having a broad range of just AR, shotguns, snipers, and SMG's.

[royal wagon]

more features will follow with time

[ashen cove]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2828833/files has anyone printed this before?

i just finished the grips for my controllers and they cracked so idk if i should try tpu or what

[keen linden]

must use abs filiment and everything be perfect lots of fails for me

[ashen cove]

Honestly I just looked and saw “oculus” on it was for oculus rift and apparently the rift has smaller controllers than the quest 2

I’ve never printed out of abs before

I’m gonna finish up the body and stock in PLA+ and then look into making new controller holders

[quiet wave]

Yall know a good premade gunstock for a quest 2?

One preferably that can use a actual m4 stock for holding it against me

[normal grove]

i use the magtube with my cheek on the cheekrest and shit for the m4 (index)

[uneven yew]

Anyone know any gunstocks?

[ashen cove]

Sanlaki makes a magnetic one @quiet wave @uneven yew

[uneven yew]

Huh

[ashen cove]

You can also print his if you have a printer but you need the tubes and magnets

[quiet wave]

Huh

[ashen cove]

For VR or for rifle

Do you want a VR stock or an actual stock for your rifles

[uneven yew]

Vr

[ashen cove]

Ah okay

Yeah so Sanlaki makes a decent one that’s magnetic

Costs about 120 bucks pre made

Or you can print it and make it yourself but will cost about 50 bucks in parts

[quiet wave]

Huh thats double the price of the one i was looking at

[ashen cove]

Send link?

[quiet wave]

https://www.higvr.com/products/hig-m4-vr-gunstock?variant=43746799583446

[ashen cove]

Get that one then

Whatever you want it’s just preference some prefer the magnets snapping on and off

[empty jay]

Check out the UltiBrace. Instead of the forearm, I brace the front piece against my wrist. I get a consistent grip everytime, can use pistols without dropping and relocating the stock, and haven't had any problems with using any rifle, smg, hunting rifle, etc. Plus you don't need to calibrate for physical stock or use virtual stock. And it's damned cheap compared to every other stock.
I originally had a KobraVR sidewinder, which I love, but the static front grip and quest 2 controller connection just weren't up to snuff for me

[empty jay]

Check out the Ultibrace. Best stock I've invested in so far. KobraVR is also great, I just dislike the static front grip in a game like GoT

It's $60

[empty jay]

Check the Ultibrace on Etsy. It's great for GoT. KobraVR sidewinder is better for static grip games where you have a fixed loadout I think, but the Ultibrace is super versatile. And $60

[empty jay]

Hey man, I know you love the Magtube, but you ought to look into the Ultibrace. I replaced my KobraVR with it, it's pretty solid and versatile

[quiet wave]

i am being perfectly honest you sound sponsored

[royal wagon]

um

[empty jay]

I do, but I'm not

[royal wagon]

i do not see that as being viable

[empty jay]

How so?

[royal wagon]

it doesnt look particularly rigid

having a hand holdy spot thats not fixed and rigid for your front cup is a non starter for me

[empty jay]

Also I recommend using tape or something to create points on the brace for position recognition, like with or without foregrip

It is rigid

I'm not a fan of the cup though

[royal wagon]

the front cup doesnt snap into 100% the same place every time

[empty jay]

There is no front cup

It's a brace, for wrist or forearm, BrandoVR ultibrace on etsy

[royal wagon]

i am looking at it now

i understand the design, it goes against a lot of things i find essential

[empty jay]

I gotcha

[royal wagon]

can you make a step between an AK alpha with foregrip and AKM in less than a second and have it come out to the same position on both 100% of the time?

and by same position i mean millimeter accurate

like the exact same position

[empty jay]

Mm, no

Like I said, I use tape to recognize position

[royal wagon]

yeah, another aspect thats a non starter

[empty jay]

That is the downside though

I don't blame ya

Great for beginners I think though, who don't have their preferred loadout yet

[royal wagon]

i commend people for trying new designs, but having used gunstocks for over 7 years i recognize what works for me

the magtube's excellence is not by accident, bourin is an amazingly good engineer

[empty jay]

I hear that. Nothing against magtube in terms of design. I don't care for the price, but that's capitalism. We've all gotta look out for ourselves

[solemn stump]

Just asked this in the general-chat. What is yalls pick for the "Best" gun stock for Quest 2. Specifically for use in Ghosts of Tabor.

[empty jay]

By the way, how are you snapping to the exact same position? Does the magtube have set positions for the front bar to adjust to?

[winged nest]

something fucky going on with calibrations

[empty jay]

I'd look into Ultibrace, Magtube and KobraVR

[winged nest]

my calibrations went all to shit

[solemn stump]

I have never used one so I'm going off of your experience with them so far.

[empty jay]

I've used Ultibrace and KobraVR. Ultibrace is better for versatility, KobraVr for static positions (so not great with this game all the time). Haven't used Magtube but Ragesaq swears by it

[royal wagon]

the magtube adapters have indexed steps, so they step into precise positions each time

[empty jay]

Ah, I hadn't seen that, makes sense why you like it so much then

[royal wagon]

i found a front hand distance configuration that lets me do steps between each of the guns i use

[solemn stump]

has anyone used a 3d printed one?

[winged nest]

someone mentioned to ,e wiping player data might help, anyone know where that is located in file steucture?

[royal wagon]

so i can g ofrom an AKM, to an ak alpha, to an M1SASS in a fraction of a second each time

and i know how many steps in which direction each one is

[empty jay]

Ultibrace is full printed, very solid in the weeks I've used it. KobraVR is mixed with actual metal

[winged nest]

@royal wagon player data location?

%Appdata% i assume?

[royal wagon]

%localappdata%\ghostsoftabor

[empty jay]

I'd guess it's in your settings

Isn't there a setting under player profile to do that?

[royal wagon]

no

[winged nest]

which one do i delete?

versionsave?

[royal wagon]

delete the whole thing really

[winged nest]

playersettungs?

[royal wagon]

deleted all of /Saved

clean slate

[winged nest]

done

[fringe moss]

Magtube or Modus R

[solemn stump]

Initial impressions:
the MagTube looks great, also looks sturdy af but the price is high, the highest I've seen so far actually. ($179)
the Ultibrace looks rickety and fragle, probably would break if dropped once but the price is cheap cheap. ($49)
the Kobra (Wolverine) looks dope, the first "realisitc" riflestock. looks sturdy as hell but the price is high. ($92.03)
the ModusR looks alright, maybe a little rickety but it would survive. The price is low-ish which is good. ($82.00)

Most of the sturdy looking stocks are going to be expensive and for good reason, you get what you pay for. It could be argued that the 3D printed stocks could be dirt cheap if the STL's are available so they can just be printed at home. Personally, I love the way the Kobra looks, I might end up going with that one. let me know your input.

(edit) after looking back, I realized the Modusr is sold out. So thats not even an option for the time being.

[empty jay]

Ultibrace isn't rickety or fragile. I've had it 3 weeks now. My only complaint is I dislike the controller cup, but it's functional enough that it doesn't get affect my play.
As for the KobraVR, personally I love the sidewinder. The only negative aspect is the fixed secondary grip. You can't use foregrips because they adjust height unfortunately. If you rock the same loadout for all ARs it's not necessarily a problem. I will say the consistency of hand placement and the ability to one hand with the primary is great (though I hate the you can't hold the grip button independent of the stock)
As far as build quality KobraVR is phenomenal. Super sturdy materials, and the brunt of weight is held through the metal

[empty jay]

I will say, for the sidewinder, the primary grip attachment is a little rickety. It won't pop out, but there is a bit of play. Only susceptible to q2 though. Falandorn's Q3 stock is getting playtested right now before he releases it

[warm vapor]

I moved from the ModusR to the Magtube when I went from Quest 2 to Quest 3. I chose the ModusR at the time because I liked how your grip is what holds the controller in place. My first impression with the Magtube was that it was built much more heavy duty. There was less bend, flex, and vibration. The crosshairs just stayed in place. That said, I would've stayed with the ModusR had they had Quest3 cups at the time. I found a lot of flexibility with its configurations. I've been happy with the Magtube. I played many hours of into the radius with the ModusR.

Simple batch file to rename your PlayerSettings. This is the same as deleting it but you have the backup in case you need to switch back. Just put this anywhere such as your desktop and double click. You can open it up in a text editor and run the two lines one by one yourself in the command terminal if you are worried about security risks.

[solemn stump]

I hadnt actually looked at that one yet, the sidewinder looks great! Simple but elegant. And the price is not too shabby either. ($86.07)

[fringe moss]

Modus is pretty solid, I ended up swapping the strap for a peak design Slide though

The rods are a lightweight metal which he doesn’t mention in his description iirc

[fringe moss]

How does the Allen key adjustments compare to the thumb nuts?

[normal maple]

does anyone play pavlov with a bowk stock? this thing is freaking perfect for onward and breachers, but because of how the attachment points work I've been having tons of issues with guns not lining up properly even with calibration

[burnt sequoia]

hehe

[warm vapor]

Magtube has 3 thumbscrew adjustments. Those are used to move the controllers to accommodate for different guns or games or whatever. And one thumbscrew if you have the adjustable butt. After playing with the stock for the first week, I haven't touched the allen screws again. I will say I was more worried about wearing out the plastic thumbscrews on the Modus than I've been worried about finding an allen wrench and adjusting the Magtube. If you were having to adjust the allen bolts between every game it would get old fast. But most of these stocks you settle on a configuration and are only adjusting the controllers up and down the rod. edit: I say plastic thumbscrews on Modus but they are 3d printed like the rest. I never had anything break.

[paper sand]

any one recommend a cheap valve index stock

[royal wagon]

when you ask for a cheap stock, you should also ask how much frustration you want with it

i dont recommend any cheap stocks, especially for tabor

[warm vapor]

There is one more difference. The sling on the magtube is much nicer / longer. A trick I picked up is to put the sling across your neck and put your arm through it so that one side is behind your shoulder. That puts the axis it swings in line with how you bring your rifle up (karate chop motion). If you have the stock just around your neck, it wants to slide left and right like a pocketbook in front of your chest. It's more consistent to find the stock when your arm is through the sling. It's also out of the way more when you are looting.

[normal grove]

gotta go all the way for a gunstock w tabor

[royal wagon]

or, a gunstock that you can have for 7 years and have it be able to do everything for you

buy nice cry once

[winged nest]

I don't know what they did to calibration but it completely rektd my gunstock

Can't use any guns

They all are angled 45° down no matter what i do

Spent like an hour on it and no amount of finagling did anything to help it

[royal wagon]

did you delete your savegame and recreate your calibration?

what is your hand rotation offset

[winged nest]

Rotation offset is 5

I deleted save game

Remade

[royal wagon]

quest + oculus store?

[silk willow]

anyone know when the tabor raidr gunstock comes out

[blissful isle]

They originally said by the end of the year

I got tired of waiting and bought the best gun stock the compa y making the raidr sells instead

[silk willow]

whats that?

[blissful isle]

Mamut Wasp

Mamut is the company Tabor devs teamed with to make the raidr

[silk willow]

ok thanks

[rugged crest]

Can anyone tell me why my game won't load every time I try it says "error 0 login fail retrying" and I'll sit there for 10 min and it still won't work (on meta 2

[blissful isle]

#❓・questions

[rugged crest]

No one helping

[blissful isle]

Are you playing through VD?

[royal wagon]

doesnt matter, go to the proper channel

thats a dev level question and the devs will look in there if available

[rugged crest]

☠️☠️🥰🥰🥰

[rugged crest]

You not my daddy 🥰

[royal wagon]

you need the right person to help you with your question, which means you need to go to the right place. this is likely a new error from the new system, so you'll need to wait for the right person to respond

you will not get the assistance you need here, I'm trying to help you

[rugged crest]

Alr lil bro

[spring venture]

I haveth a magtub

[pure crown]

to anyone who bought the magtube from the protube sight ONLY, Did you have to check the box for the stock, or does it come with one, regardless if you check the box. And should I add the prostraps?

[royal wagon]

prostraps are recommended

a sling is required

[spring venture]

It comes with one but the check box is an option for a mk2 stock which is a different shape. Also if you have any of the listed controllers in the prostraps list there by its box id suggest getting them unless you already have some hand straps that will work with the magtube

[winged portal]

Hi guys, I have a problem, I bought sanlaki gunstock for the pico 4, but when I use it in this game, it doesn't work well because the pico 4 controller are not correctly aligned, and when I grab the weapon, it doesn't aim straight. Is there a way to fix it and make it work? Thanks

[winged nest]

quest + steam vr

[pure crown]

@royal wagon So do I have to check the box for the stock? or is one included regardless.

[royal wagon]

That’s for the v2 stock which slides up and down

The regular one is fine, my mk2 stock is the same height as the regular

[pure crown]

ah alright, thanks

[spring venture]

i made a bug report for the gunstock calibration issues if anyone else is having the same issue i have please let me know

[normal grove]

i read it, i had that problem in my last raid only once, but that was cause my index tracking went wacko mode

[normal grove]

are you like, grabbing the foregrip instantly?

[spring venture]

What do you mean instantly

[normal grove]

you have to wait for your foregrip hand to settle before you grip

or else it will be mis-aligned

[spring venture]

I waited

[normal grove]

did you check where your controllers are tracking by clicking steam home? could be that issue

[spring venture]

Also fyi it also happens after putting the gun back on my chest and then pulling it back out

I didnt

[normal grove]

im using 0 offset 0 calibration

[spring venture]

I will do that

Why 0 calibration

I kinda need some calibration

[normal grove]

i just physically calibrate it

[spring venture]

I cant stand adjusting my stock

My real stock

[normal grove]

i got it at a godtier position and can aim with the cheekrest

[spring venture]

I move the tubes out of the way for reloading. Its very worth it imo

Not effective maybe but it is more immersive

[delicate quail]

sling holder thing broke so i "fixed" it

[small bobcat]

My buddy printed a q3 stock for me that splits in the middle by way of neodymium magnets and the tubes are carbon fiber. Super light. Basically a raidr but actually available 💦

[small bobcat]

Cheek weld coming soon. Both tubes together weigh 18grams. The 3d printed plastic weighs more than the tubes. But since your holding the controllers the weight is distributed nicely

[spring venture]

Nice concept. Can be worked with i bet

You could really do what you want with it if it accepted magtube connections

I mean joints

Until you go to 2 hand a pistol

Yeah no i dont want that no offense

It shines in a light for me but not as hard as the magtube

[steep orbit]

OK so I just played right now using Steam Link for Quest im on a quest 3. Using Sinlaki Elite stock. my hand rotation was at 41 before when I used airlink, I had to rebind menu to holding down A button.

So I had to change my rotation to 16, then I started calibrating the weapons first I lined it up to where my stock actually was like my right hand and the angle of my irl stock. That got me close. then I went to market because I was able to hold a bunch of different guns ALSO! the bug where you have to reset or leave rooms to be able to pick up guns I think is gone!?

Anyway I just changed the angle of the gun until my left hand was in the zone to be able to grab the gun. After that every gun I did the same and it works. very happy with both the game and the new Steam Link app in quest store. gonna def stop using AirLink.

[lethal sinew]

Nice report. I'll try steam link soon ig

[lucid fog]

Anyone knows if ProtubeVR haptics gunstock works with GoT?

[slate swan]

All gunstsocks work with ghosts of tabor but you will need to calibrate it if it isn’t right

[lucid fog]

Thanks for reply , the reason I am asking is this particular one has haptic feedback when shooting and it’s something that needs to be implemented in game by dev , it says on the gunstock website that it works I d like to double check before purchase as it’s very expensive

[winged portal]

So, i guess nobody use a sanlaki for pico 4, at least put a message on the gunstock fixed messaje about the sanlaki, that the pico 4 version doesn't work properly. I spend almost 110 euros on that and now i can't use it on this game.

[royal wagon]

It does, the forcetube SDK was integrated

[lucid fog]

Nice thank you 🙏

[spring venture]

This is confirmed to be true for the m4 and the ak74
Idk if yall noticed yet but we can now adjust our gunstock position/calibration by grabbing the gun lower or higher more left or more right on the front hand side of the gun. Meaning if you grab the gun low your sights will move up, if you grab the gun high your sights will move down. And its completely fine tuneable by doing that. One problem is that theres no way to start and stop this from happening. But wouldnt it be cool if like we turned this calibrator mechanic on by like gripping and ungripping the gun 2 times in a row really quick or something. Also wouldnt it be nice and convienent as well as potentially immersive for some users.
Would it be cool if it saved when you double grip the rear hand? And vice versa for both hands for fine tune?
I think it sounds awesome but it might need to stay gamefied a bit more for some reason.
You could adjust your calibration while still keeping both eyes out for enemies

[warm vapor]

The other problem with that moving grip point is that it takes a very long time for the grip point to reach your hand as seen in a video I put above. It should just happen instantly to avoid problems with the sights aiming true as others have pointed out. You can sit there and watch the grip point slowly move towards your hand.

How to reset calibration data: Windows + R key and type cmd. In the terminal window copy and paste this then hit enter

ren %localappdata%\GhostsOfTabor\Saved\SaveGames\PlayerSettings.sav "PlayerSettings - %date:/=-% %time::=-%.sav"

[torpid carbon]

the only wah to fix this is by grabing the gun wehn u have ur hand in the stock but problem for me is some weapons are smaller and then u cant grab it

[spring venture]

that would be pretty close to precise... good idea hope i get to try that. they would have to change the way we calibrate guns

[torpid carbon]

it would be awsome if they just put the old system in i was enabel to shot with all weapons exept sks and now i cant even shot with one properly

[spring venture]

i think they should put in multiple systems if possible to suit all our desires and make for more interesting experiments

if feasible so to speak

[warm vapor]

I don't know if we can get the reset calibration settings instructions pinned but that's a much better way than blowing away the entire saved games folder as that deletes some progress like current mission progress.

[torpid carbon]

well right now i still dont understand this new system i have a felling the new system is just brocken like i want to callebrate my smg and its not right in the normal smg then i change it completly and nothing changed

[spring venture]

does the aim get adjusted for you depending on where you grip the gun?

[torpid carbon]

so for me i relized wehn u grab the gun and u put ur hand in ur gunstock the gun moves depending on how far u wehre moving ur hand thats why ur gun is locking from Left to Right or Right to Left befor the patch came that was not happening

[spring venture]

i actually kinda like it it beats the heck out of opening up a menu and going through that whole setup. at least this way it doesnt take as long to find a good calibration. iv gotten pretty fast at it. can calibrate in about 4 or 5 grips with the front hand thats 50 times faster than the old system. but also it would need more work before it becomes easy to understand and not annoying

like once you get it to where you want it to be for that gun it should save and not happen anymore unless you turn on the calibration adjustment system by doing something with your gun

[torpid carbon]

so wait u telling me that those difirent grip points are the reson why the gon is so wird ?

[spring venture]

let me explain. i noticed this happens to the ak74 only so far.

also happened to the m4 without a grip only

but i confirmed it twice for the ak74

[torpid carbon]

i thought they were just like gippoint so u find the grip faster

[spring venture]

so you hold the pistol grip with your right hand. then place your left hand either left right above or below the left hand grip point, the more off center you are the more extreme the adjustments are. you can even adjust up and down at the same time by gripping a certain amount off to the right and below the gun at the same time.

excuse me you can even adjust side to side and up and down at the same time

i like it alot

[torpid carbon]

tbh thats wayyyy to complex i somone is shotting at me there should just be one grip point so u dont have to like lock for the grip points and hit the right one

i wish there would be a setting to change it to the old way

[spring venture]

i agree. but this is a fast and immersive way to calibrate the gun. its bugged in that it currently doesnt save to the gun

[torpid carbon]

also with the magazin vibration setting i know if it vibraites 6 times its more acurat but i dont want to sand an start counting how many times it vibratet

[spring venture]

i say its bugged i dont even know im just guessing they tried to make this the new calibration system but its not working or not finished yet. or who knows it may just be an accident all together

[warm vapor]

That's a bug

[spring venture]

could just use a bit more work in my opinion and it would be the best gunstock calibrator in all vr shooting games

when my mags are almost empty they seem to vibrate really fast sometimes. i never count it i always just assume i have like less than 5 bullets left

[torpid carbon]

did they say that ?

[warm vapor]

yes

[torpid carbon]

okok

[hexed tundra]

is the protube good for this game?

or magtube i guess

[spring venture]

yes

[torpid carbon]

yes

[spring venture]

magtube is better

[hexed tundra]

how's reloading with it?

that's my main concern with gunstocks is i don't wanna have slow reloads

[spring venture]

magtube is pretty fast. the raidr stock is gonna be fastest

[torpid carbon]

well the gun stock wont effect ur reloding u just cant see the sokets so its more mussel merory waht u can lern ez

[hexed tundra]

is it easy to swap from lets say an m4 to a mat49

mid raid

[spring venture]

yes it is

actually at the moment its not but it used to be. they are gonna fix it though

[hexed tundra]

oh

[spring venture]

i mean the ghosts of tabor devs not protube

[hexed tundra]

yeah lol

[hexed tundra]

ooh raidr the gunstock for tabor?

[spring venture]

yeah

[torpid carbon]

so in game u can calibrate all weapon kinds so all weapons are in the same but like said right now it dos not really work

[hexed tundra]

what would you say is better the raidr or magtube, for reloading, swapping guns, aiming etc

cause i struggle at range which i why i want one

[spring venture]

magtube for everything except reloading

and even reloading is gonna be unpleasant at times with the raidr. but still the fastest

[torpid carbon]

well i use the protube and befor patch i was anabel to hit headshot with ironsight on 100+ meters

[spring venture]

in my strong opinion you should get the one that is most fun not most effective one unless you find that one fun

[hexed tundra]

when i get used to attaching the magnets back, will i just reload at the same speed as without a stock?

[hexed tundra]

i usually find most effective most fun since i get joy out of winning lol

[torpid carbon]

i would say yes

[spring venture]

if it takes 1.5 seconds to reload an m4 and get back to shooting it will take 2.5 for the magtube

[hexed tundra]

will it go back to 1.5 if i get used to it?

[spring venture]

you could get lower than that with tons of practice

[hexed tundra]

gotcha

[spring venture]

you will never get as low as without it

[hexed tundra]

so a stock will help with range right? cause i seem to shake a lot at range

[torpid carbon]

yes

[spring venture]

its probably twice as good at long range. but thats not entirely because of the gunstocks its also because the virtual gunstock in game isnt that good

in my opinion anyway

[hexed tundra]

does it matter if it's chrome or carbon? is one more durable then the other or?

[spring venture]

chrome is bad

not unusable but the shiny chrome must be covered up because it interferes with tracking of the controllers at this point im pretty sure even a inch of shiny chrome on the tube can mess you up quite often

[hexed tundra]

ooh

[spring venture]

carbon fiber is lighter also

[hexed tundra]

is this useful or no?

[spring venture]

you will be able to hold your gun up for a longer amount of time with carbon

[torpid carbon]

i use chrome and i have no problems at all

[spring venture]

carbon fiber also doesnt conduct electricity safety bonus

you use a quest?

pablo

[torpid carbon]

yes i have quest 2

[spring venture]

i use index. lighthouse tracking uses infrared light not cameras for tracking

but i guess chrome isnt bad for quests then

[hexed tundra]

ah i also use quest

but lighter sounds nice

[spring venture]

easy fix if you ever do have tracking issue from reflective surface tape up the tubes

lay a mirror down on the ground in front of where you play see what it does when you get close to it while playing

[hexed tundra]

hey jenk

[hexed tundra]

do you know what this is for exactly?

is it just another magnet to attach your controller to?

[spring venture]

if you want an extra controller mounting point for a more immersive short smg experience is my best reason to buy one. i dont want one right now but maybe in the future for those short smgs

[hexed tundra]

gotcha

Any specific reason i would want 2 points instead of one?

[torpid carbon]

u dont really need one right if they fix the calibration

[torpid carbon]

with 2 poins u can have the constock at ur hip instad of just hanging down on one side

but tbh i think for battel and musselmemory the 1 piont is better

[hexed tundra]

thakns

[spring venture]

you dont need an extra controller mount at all you can use the same setup for rifles as you do with short smgs

no physical adjustment necessary

idk about the 2 point sling who knows

i use the 1 point sling major downside is if you use a vr treadmill and the stock is bouncing off your legs while you are running even walking slow

what would fix that is a magnet on the hip that holds the stock in place from swinging around

i may just try some dumb invention like that for teh lols

i hate having to wear a belt everytime i wanna play but also sounds very convenient while playing

[proper cipher]

i don't think the vast majority of people are worried about how things work when they're on a massive and overpriced VR treadmill 😛

[spring venture]

i run in place

[proper cipher]

what's the point? doing high-knees isn't helping immersion is it?

[spring venture]

walking running jogging striding creeping jumping strafing

my favorite is sprinting to a cliff and jumping off and jumping irl

[proper cipher]

you're not using your movements to drive the actual in-game movement though, rihgt?

[spring venture]

no this game doesnt have that feature

[proper cipher]

one of the skidmills has some fancy shit to emulate inputs

cat one i think?

i'm still waiting for a proper omnidirectional treadmill

that isn't the size of a house and almost as expensive

[spring venture]

i will never want one because i love going prone too much

[proper cipher]

why would you not be able to go prone?

on one that actually works you should be able to crawl, walk, run, roll, whatever

[spring venture]

treadmills confine you to a 2 foot wide area

and they hold you up in a harness

[proper cipher]

the harness can be similar to a seatbelt lock, fall and it catches but you move intentionally and it slips

and when i said proper omnimill i didn't mean one that's not even as wide as your shoulders

[spring venture]

i also like jumping side to side

[proper cipher]

again a decent onimill will allow that

[broken cedar]

@spring venture what game is it that u run in place

[spring venture]

i do that in tabor

[proper cipher]

bear in mind i'm not talking about any of the current experimental ones where they're trying to figure out how to make it work

[broken cedar]

Cool

[proper cipher]

i mean once the tech is actually refined

[spring venture]

i cant even imagine how that would work with jumping side to side

[proper cipher]

exactly the same as it would for everything else, bunch of cameras to know when you move, some kind of rollerball or whatever to move the ground under your feet in whatever direction you're moving, and some fancy computer voodoo converting that movement to in-game inputs

[spring venture]

i hope they come out with something good that lets you do it all. because no matter how skilled i become at running in place. it never feels as realistic as real running. however i strongly recommend trying running and walking in place. like i said 4x more immersive essentially 4x more fun

also 4x more difficult so good luck

[proper cipher]

it always broke the immersion for me

[tall island]

How much does a good HTC vive pro 2 gunstock cost?

[proper cipher]

however much a protube costs lol

[spring venture]

it did for me for the first few hours maybe 10 or 20 hours of practice later it started feeling more real than without it. it eventually got to this point

[proper cipher]

yeah i tried it for more than that, in multiple games, never liked it

[spring venture]

sad

sorry to hear that

have you tried it in war dust

[proper cipher]

never played war dust

[spring venture]

the one game that actually is controlled by the run in place motion

makes it way easier probably

[proper cipher]

tried it in zenith, blade and sorcery, tabor, pop-one, pavlov, vrc, didn't feel good in any of them

[spring venture]

i might have started in that game before trying games with regular joystick movement

i recommend you try it in war dust its called fit run locomotion its an option they have. if you want.

armswinger sucks

[torpid carbon]

bro thats skill

[proper cipher]

i tihnk i saw a game with just arm, swinging for locomotion, they fucked up by not maintaining any momentum so the movement was jerky

[glad scroll]

Isn't wardust empty player wise?

[spring venture]

war dust its completely controlled by your heads up and down motion

so jogging in place actually propels you forward in the game making it much easier and requiring hugely less coordination.

it took days before joystick movement while running in place was immersive for me

but in war dust it was quite immersive right off the bat

yes it is. i dont recommend the game as a whole but the fit run locomotion is incredible

[shadow cypress]

any reccomendations for the best and cheapest gunstock out right now?

[spring venture]

thanks pablo

wanna see some in game videos of me running

[torpid carbon]

sure

haha

[spring venture]

im breathing hard from running here

[torpid carbon]

sick

[spring venture]

thanks

its more fun than it is impressive. worth the practice.

[torpid carbon]

locks realy good

i would get sick its already hard for me to move one step to get to the center wile running

[spring venture]

i wouldnt be suprised if 95 percent of people would get horribly sick doing this. i just had to do it

i didnt even care i wanted to be able to do it so bad

now im literally an iron stomach nothing can even slightly upset my head in vr

[glad scroll]

Are you using a vr treadmill there?

[spring venture]

nope

[glad scroll]

How does it work?

[spring venture]

i listen to the speed of the footsteps and watch how fast my character moves. and i walk or run however fast and hard that is. i use the joystick to control my game character but i run and walk in place to make it feel more realistic.

start out slow walking for a few days then try a fast walk

it just makes it more fun

and more real feeling

more intense

you can see how my gunstock would be hitting my leg when im not actually holding it like when im holding a handgun or a bag or a nade

running and walking makes it bounce offmy legs

[slow quartz]

Do you guys recalibrate everytime your gonna raid with a new gun?

Or do you just use one gun / loadout.

[glad scroll]

Ah makes sense, should feel better to the body, instead of seeing the world moving while staying immobile

[ashen gust]

anyone else having problems with the hand positioning

i’ve calibrated height and gunstock and nothing works

[pure crown]

Anyone suggesting on what first gunstock i should get

[royal wagon]

buy nice cry once, get a magtube and you wont have to worry about stocks again

[royal wagon]

no, the only thing i do with the calibration system is bring the rifle closer to better match real life, this games default gun offsets are pushed really far forwards for some reason

my magtube does all of the adjustments between guns effortlessly

[half spade]

can other people not grab their gun when calibrating?

[spring venture]

correct

[white vault]

Wrong place

My fault

[half spade]

why is my gun angled to the right and how do i fix it?

[unreal path]

trading ak5c

[lime cobalt]

Why

[royal wagon]

Adjust the location of your cups

[half spade]

its a fixed stock

[torpid carbon]

its fixed?!

[royal wagon]

Inappropriate for this channel, the only place appropriate for that is #🤝・pvp-groupfinder

[half spade]

i 3d printed my own design but didnt know that i couldn't calibrate in game

[torpid carbon]

oh man i just read it agian i was so hyped

[royal wagon]

Rip. This is why you don’t go fixed

[half spade]

sry

im just gonna print (hopefully) the correct angle and melt them on

[royal wagon]

I would highly, highly advise against any kind of fixed design

[half spade]

i figured that out but its too late

[royal wagon]

It’s not too late to stop putting energy into a flawed design

[half spade]

how good is the raidr stock?

[royal wagon]

Nobody has it yet

[mint parrot]

When does Raidr stock come

@here

[royal wagon]

Soon, nobody knows. It will go into #📢・announcements

[half spade]

imma do a hail mary attempt to change the angle of my stock to save time and money before changing the design and reprinting

wish me luck

[steep orbit]

Posted how I calibrated with sinlaki VR stock, Quest 3 using Steam Link PCVR

[autumn gate]

how is the quest 3 tracking compared to the quest 2?

[steep orbit]

havent had that many problems with it

[autumn gate]

im having nonstop issues with the quest 2

cant play with gunstock at all, and without its shit aswell, did everything i can to fix it

[steep orbit]

do you have good lighting

[autumn gate]

what do you think is good? got 3 lights above my playing area

[steep orbit]

that should be fine Ive played with just my TV giving me ambient light

[torpid carbon]

do u mean bcs ur gun is off than it should be ?

[autumn gate]

whenever i aim(With or without gunstock) the gun shifts to either direction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPInRfSuKcw

i was keeping my hands as steady as possible, the small vibrations was my hand, the big movement i dont do myself

[torpid carbon]

tahts bcs of the new patch they added like 35 grip points for ur gun and wehn u grab the one on the left ur gun is in a diffrent spot then wehn u grab it on the right

[autumn gate]

no, not that

watch the vid

[torpid carbon]

ok

[autumn gate]

and whenever i check passtrough my left controller(offhand) is nicely above my right hand, so both should in theory be detected by the sensors

[torpid carbon]

oh now i know what u mean maby u have to much lights idk

[autumn gate]

tried alot of things, but i do have only RGB lights(With white function though) in my house, might that be an issue?

[steep orbit]

the sensors on the controllers are around the ring so you dont want to block them

[autumn gate]

they dont seem blocked at all, and sensors are cleaned

[steep orbit]

maybe clean the little baby camera sensors on the headset too

[autumn gate]

also the gunstock adapters have holes at the sensors, so they dont get blocked with the gunstock either. in like contractors tracking is fine, but in tabor its litteral hell..

[autumn gate]

thats what i meant, those are clean

[steep orbit]

OHHHH then its probably Tabor 😅

because watching your video I feel like I have tiny shifts sometimes too

but contractors pavlov into the radius are all fine

[autumn gate]

yeah i really dont know, its hella annoying if you try to shoot medium/long range and you aim like a drunk basterd

[steep orbit]

haha yeah, well the only thing I can think of is good lighting

[autumn gate]

This is my play area

[safe tree]

How do you do the charging thing above I was looking into one and anyone know a good gun stock

[steep orbit]

daing thats a nice play area!

[autumn gate]

Kiwi cable management, costs like 30 to 40 bucks and you get 5 of those hangers

[safe tree]

Okay cool thanks

[autumn gate]

But lightning must be good enough? Unless the quest 2 tracking gets fucked by led lights?

I tried dimming some lights that seemed bright in passtrough, didnt make a difference aswell

[safe tree]

How long of a cord should I get ?

[autumn gate]

Mines 5m

16 feet, or wherever ur from haha

[steep orbit]

oh daing Im reading LED strips and direct lights too bright might be interfering

[autumn gate]

But can recommens not getting a knockoff one due to bandwith and charging speed

[autumn gate]

Hmmmm, i only have led's🤣

[safe tree]

Okay is it on Amazon

[autumn gate]

But led strips as in rgb or led in general?

[steep orbit]

you can test in another room with normal lighting

[autumn gate]

Theres only led here haha, got a 1 bedroom apartment

[autumn gate]

Cant seem to find em there

[safe tree]

Okay

[steep orbit]

man I feel like it could just be the game, I don't know if its utilizing full data tracking capabilities

[autumn gate]

But looking at mine it might be a knockoff aswell🤔 so maybe it makes a difference what usb you connect it to, i have it connected to usb 3.2

https://www.amazon.nl/Tiergrade-compatibel-gegevensoverdracht-type-kabel-gaming-pc/dp/B0BWY1K4SM/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?keywords=link+cable&qid=1701556996&sr=8-5

[autumn gate]

same feeling here, havent had issues with pavlov, contractors, hyper dash, half life, sniper elite and more games

[safe tree]

i found pulls and i have a good cord so ill just buy a pack of pulleys and is the istock any good

[autumn gate]

never seen it, so cant tell

all i can tell is dont buy this one, too much play in everything

[safe tree]

this what it look like

[autumn gate]

yeah just googled it, i personally wouldnt like it, due to not being a solid piece from controller to controller, i would miss to much accuray

accuracy*

[steep orbit]

if in europe Kobra Stocks are awesome Here in US it takes like 3 weeks to a month to get

[autumn gate]

never heard of em, they seem to have alot of variation to choose from

https://www.etsy.com/nl/listing/1282047231/kobra-cqb-v2-gunstock-kiwi-grips-versie?click_key=73226035b02806c38ea08bfaf51d9ac5f2e3aa7f%3A1282047231&click_sum=67009528&ref=shop_home_active_9&crt=1&sts=1this one seems nice, but the stock is quitte small

[steep orbit]

I had the sidewinder it was awesome

[autumn gate]

seems sketchy haha

[celest vessel]

Could someone theoretically 3d print their own stock ?

[dawn shale]

Thats how most are made

[celest vessel]

Oh bet

[halcyon mountain]

Is there a stock that fits both Quest 2 and Quest 3? Or should I wait until I get a Q3 to get a stock?

[hazy stirrup]

it seems like quest 3 controllers still fit quest 2 cups

same size controllers, just no tracking ring

[halcyon mountain]

Ok cool, thanks for the info

[half spade]

i dun did it

[atomic canopy]

I once saw here an orange gunstock which could be disconnected in the middle thanks to magnets. Does anyone know which one I mean and what it is called?

[past basin]

If i get erect, can i use it as a gunstock? I can provide pictures

[mortal parcel]

It’s called freedomstock it’s made by cheesy

@faint wigeon

[fringe moss]

Gunface also does this

[atomic canopy]

Yes, that's the one I meant thanks :p

[digital crag]

😭

[topaz geyser]

best gunstock for meta quest 3?

[hazy stirrup]

go buy one and try it out lol

or make one

[topaz geyser]

im curious as to if controllers above or below

the stock makes a difference for comfort or usability?

[warm vapor]

Q3 is very slightly bigger so watch for cracks to start forming. Also all Q2 cups will block the lower tracking LED on Q3 so you are going to suffer tracking wise.

[hazy stirrup]

huge, ty for the heads up

[hazy stirrup]

read that

[warm vapor]

The light is low in the handle like your palm is looking back at you. Where your fingers don't quite wrap around to meet your wrist / palm. There are some IR pictures out there.

[hazy stirrup]

wouldnt that lower tracker not be seen anyway when aiming?

[warm vapor]

It actually is seen. and more important when your hands are up or other weird angles

[hazy stirrup]

so you're almost putting yourself at a disadvantage with controller cups if you have a q3

might as well just get good with the virtual stock

[warm vapor]

The good ones have a hole cut into the cup

[hazy stirrup]

or have side-mounted magnets

[warm vapor]

Don't buy q3 stock that doesn't have a hole cut on the inside of the grip

[hazy stirrup]

gotcha. that was more for that one kid rather than me since i use the virtual stock. protube wasn't doin it for me and i dont have the time to make my own so

gun stocks (at least my protube) feel a lot more cumbersome than helpful for this game to me. i only use it in other vr shooters

[warm vapor]

Well the glistco has the hole. Magtube has it of course. I'm pretty sure most have figured it out by now. Just don't reuse Q2 without realizing you're losing tracking.

[hazy stirrup]

honestly, i think the only gun stock that im interested in for the quest is the skolvr tomahawk

it's got an interesting design to it

[shy mulch]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1585617894/

I have this one on the way. Should be here in about a week to try it out

[warm vapor]

I don't know when it was added, but there is a reset player settings button in the profile menu. People with wonky calibrations seeking to get back to start can try that.

[balmy crane]

can someone tell me whats the cheapest gunstock thats good

[fringe nymph]

A homemade one lol adjust it to your likening @balmy crane

But there’s some others you can buy that’s really really nice

[pure crown]

Hey, Do yall recommend a gunstock?

[bleak warren]

I do , once you get used to it you cannot go without

Modified magtube with sniper tripod.

[bleak aspen]

What's the best budget stock?

[coral berry]

almost done

works like a charm for the quest3

[ashen hull]

where you buy from?

[thin thistle]

New release of the VR-HS lite was designed around GOT, works with every gun it the game (with and without attachments) and at the right price. https://exact3d.co.uk/product/vr-gunstock-quest-3-vr-hs-lite/

[ashen hull]

Very steep price bro

[thin thistle]

cheaper than 90% out there

[ashen hull]

What print line size is it?

[coral berry]

i made this myself, soon available on etsy

[ashen hull]

Looks relatively smooth for printing

[coral berry]

i will make a video explaining the pros etc. especially for opening cabinets and bandeging yourself...throwing grenades and more

[ashen hull]

Sounds good G

[glad scroll]

I'm pretty sure you killed me today 😂

[tiny ember]

if you're really into vr i recommend getting the tomahawk gunstock from skolvr this thing will work well with basically all guns in tabor even without any calibration look it up and decide for yourself if you want one

i cant stand the sling tube stocks myself

[thin thistle]

lol my bad

[thin thistle]

?

[thin thistle]

0.2mm

[lyric cairn]

its looks really good. but it just looks like itll be very difficult to get use to putting that small magnet into that socket.

[lyric cairn]

lmk how it is ive been looking at that one for a while

[thin thistle]

The front pole is made from steel so it pulls it in to place for you magnetically. you just need to get it some ware close. After 2 raids, muscle memory kicks in

[lyric cairn]

wasnt talking to you sorry. I was talking to Kunitheone.

[thin thistle]

Ill do some calibration videos and demo the stock in action soon.

[thin thistle]

No probs

[coral berry]

@lyric cairn same with mine, the magnet pulls you into the right place..the polygone is cone shaped

[lyric cairn]

gotchu would love to see some yt vids of it in practice. what do you think the general price would be?

[coral berry]

@thin thistle i still have to optimise printing time, but with the material and time to print in this quality, abaout 70 to 80 Euros

[glad scroll]

@thin thistle

[thin thistle]

LMAO i must of got lucky

[thin thistle]

Was testing to new stock out

I got mixed in with a group of 3 players today and they were just standing there saying. "Wait, is there an extra player here". All I had in my hand was a shitty Ruger and just laughed with them then shot them all in the head. 3 players with a Ruger. Man I love this game !

[empty jay]

Ultibrace is $60, which I'd consider budget compared to most, particularly considering build quality. I prefer KobraVR, but they're a bit spendier and not the best for Tabor

[glad scroll]

Lol nice

I remember there was a point in the game where it happened everytime

[fringe moss]

Modus R at ~$80

[stark arrow]

Does anyone have a good magnetic stock idea that is around $60-$70

[hardy osprey]

looks nice

[stark arrow]

What’s ur website @thin thistle

[hardy osprey]

https://exact3d.co.uk/product/vr-gunstock-quest-3-vr-hs-lite/

[modest tide]

yall just missed half off on the mamut apto and the promag tube

[stark arrow]

Oh never mind it’s across the globe I can’t get it for Christmas

[modest tide]

stopped on the 30th

[hardy osprey]

quest 2 to quest 3 tracking is BEYOUND BELIEF.
I can slay in blade and sorcery

[pine junco]

Hast anyone a recommendation for a gunstock for the Quest 2?

[modest tide]

mamut apto for any setup

[fringe moss]

Just don’t reach above your head

Only negative I give the 3 really

[hardy osprey]

Yea I noticed trying to swords off my back for sure. I plan on getting the pro controllers though

[fringe moss]

Yeah same

Makes dungeons of eternity a little buggy sometimes cause I love using bows

[hardy osprey]

THATS OVERPRICED as heck

and looks heavy as heck too

[fringe moss]

They don’t have a Q3 version yet either

[modest tide]

nah, show me a comparable for better pricepoint. Also they just had a sale and were half off for all of November.

[hardy osprey]

VR-HS looks like its $60

[fringe moss]

But yeah looks heavy and over engineered for looks

Modus R is 80

Magtube is $130

[hardy osprey]

I might get the GOT one

[fringe moss]

Facegun is 70

Cheese’s stock is $100

[modest tide]

its lightweight and its engineered to be used in many different ways with many differnt guns, its the most versatile alojngsidfe the protube and no the magtube is literally the same price but may be on sale lol

[hardy osprey]

Gunface looks TERRIBLE

[fringe moss]

Their break away is done well

[hardy osprey]

I think its the video thats very unattractive to me

[fringe moss]

I don’t like the idea of smacking my headset but I get their intention

[hardy osprey]

Something about putting against my headset makes me say no

[fringe moss]

Their Q3 one comes with a bumper bracket lol

[hardy osprey]

Though you are on point about shotguns

[fringe moss]

I was just giving a list of comparable or better stocks for cheaper than the one he linked

[hardy osprey]

Also Its not realistic to me to have the gun that high

[fringe moss]

It’s a great looking stock, don’t get us wrong, but just seems like it’s likely heavier than alternatives and a bit over engineered

I really want to try Cheeses

[hardy osprey]

I know why that looks familiar. A LOT of Pavlov guys have that gunface

[fringe moss]

Yeah

It’s been around for awhile

[hardy osprey]

I hate that. Guns above the head shooting

[thin thistle]

Exact3d.co.uk

[hardy osprey]

I have a 3d printed one but Im too lazy to finish and I dont think itll fit my 3 or pro

[fringe moss]

Does the hex pattern for the magnet recession cause some misses on rejoining?

I understand why you would want something more or less keyed for a more consistent return but just honest question

Most others with the same breakaway mechanic tend to use just a circle is why I ask

[thin thistle]

I don't have the issue, as soon as my hand is close the magnets pull the steel bar in. After two or 3 raids I was getting it perfect every time. Good old muscle memory kicks in. Ill do a demo video soon on calibration and a few naked raids.

[fringe moss]

Cause I love my modus r but definitely would like something that makes looting easier for this game

Magtube & Modus both suffer from dangling stock and catching on pockets. Never dropping the stock would be ideal

[shy mulch]

Do you prefer this one for GoT or your full size gunstock with the smg attachment?

[fringe moss]

This was the one I was asking about oops was the wrong person I pinged

[thin thistle]

this one for GOT

[left plover]

Welp guess nomore gunstock for me I literally cant get this to calibrate to save my life now

[fading quest]

Could anyone recommend me an good gunstock ?

[royal wagon]

magtube ez win

[rose otter]

#🤝・pvp-groupfinder

[nocturne flax]

Protube

[hollow bear]

Mantuve better

Magtube

[hazy stirrup]

literally the exact same

[royal wagon]

i dont think anyone talking about a protube today doesnt mean the magtube

[undone maple]

What good gunstocks are there for quest 2 that have good tracking?

[fringe nymph]

@undone maple honestly I feel like it’s users preference

[undone maple]

I mean I want peoples recommendations for a first timer stock

[fringe nymph]

Ima be honest I bought a basic 60$ gunstock and it works perfect but the more in depth for gunstock is just used preference I say just buy what you feel like would be great for you just remember the more expensive does not make you better lol I see a lot of kids buy the most expensive and they still get clapped @undone maple and also there’s time I don’t use a gunstock just because I like the hands free movement

[dull turret]

protubeVR Magstock is pretty good

[royal wagon]

first time stock means get somethign that will just work, get a magtube

[undone maple]

I've been seeing protube from olenvr

[royal wagon]

those are two different companies

magtube is what you want

dont get something that has tubes over the top, prone to causing tracking issues

[final phoenix]

so i orderd my gunstok the other night is there much i need to know

[fringe moss]

Practice practice practice

[normal grove]

align the gunstock right the first time so you can start building that muscle memory

make sure you can ads by using the cheekpad

[mystic spear]

Does anyone recommend the GOT gunstock

[plucky scroll]

KobraVR Wolverine

[zealous totem]

Magtube is pretty good

[normal grove]

magtube doesnt even have to advertise cause we shill them so much here

i mean if you make a good product, shit advertises itself

[pale rivet]

Any good gunstocks that can ship to the uk and that is under 50-60.

[main flower]

Does anyone have a kobravr cqb?

[hollow obsidian]

it’s just extremely pricey

[ashen hull]

One day there will be an actually affordable, reliable and quality product on the market that doesn't have like 1mm print lines 😭

You cannot find a product that's cheap, quality and works well. You sort of pick two really

[hollow obsidian]

i’m planning on the spine, only problem is the stock is at the top causing the whole tracking issues.

[ashen hull]

I'm sure most are cheap and work well but have shit quality

[sleek yew]

Im still trying to figure out the positioning so reloading isnt difficult

[junior dawn]

best stock to 3d print?

[wispy bear]

Did the guns gunstock system get an update?

[hardy osprey]

Really?

[dawn shale]

Do gunstocks help at fuckin all? I can’t aim for shit in the air

[halcyon iris]

Yes.

I was a noob in the game, couldn't even hit a fricking shot, one of my last raids:

And that's my gunstock

[dawn shale]

@proper hull SEE

This is why

[proper hull]

thats a skill issue
have steady hands

[dawn shale]

Yeah you’d like that wouldn’t you

Now maybe I will buy a gunstock and give game one more try

[halcyon iris]

Be in a brain surgeon level

[proper hull]

dont even need to

[dawn shale]

…. You need a gunstock if you wanna get a kill in this game, or a few hundred hours practicing making the controllers perfectly level and straight when moving

[dawn shale]

What Tf….. how am I supposed to compete with this😭 what servers are you on so I can avoid

[dawn shale]

Should I buy an Olen

[dawn shale]

https://www.olenvr.com/vr-gun-stock-accessories/spine-full-kit-vr-gunstock

This one specifically

[dusty valve]

Is this good ? Do you have one?

[pseudo lintel]

Any PCVR users that can tell me if the hand pitch bug has been fixed?

[ashen hull]

It work?

[halcyon iris]

Look at the message on top of the photo, I think it works

[ashen hull]

BRUH

Wtf

Homies cracked

[spring venture]

Using a gunstock is realistic. Using a tripod at all times while simulatuosly running in game is corny

[ashen hull]

xD

[spring venture]

No offense not saying you shouldnt be allowed but just my opinion

[ashen hull]

Who did this?

[spring venture]

D4V3 VR

[ashen hull]

I don't think there is a way to stop this for the devs

[spring venture]

Aint no way. people will get too mad in my opinion

Banning gunstocks or stabilizers is never gonna be ok

[ashen hull]

So how does he aim up whilst sprinting then?

A bipod won't help really, you still have to raise the weapon unless he's exploting that mechanic to be able to run and keep aiming

[spring venture]

Idk if i were him id have it on a swivel so i could still aim up and down