╙🖇mods-making-discussion

[teal compass]

never encountered it hmmm

you know what I'll do the same thing and check

[wispy ferry]

trying to make a DLTX edit mod of this myself, mispelled the guns name so I had to relaunch

[next robin]

Guarantee its a me issue

[teal compass]

just to make sure

[wispy ferry]

had it as wpn_upd9 instead of wpn_udp9

[next robin]

Well i spelled it right

[wispy ferry]

aight, sorry to say but it just works

[next robin]

Only made that mistake when i tweaked an armor

[wispy ferry]

gimme a sec to zip it for you, then you just need to figure out how to undo whatever you did that crashes your game with it

[next robin]

Dw its fine

UDP is booty cheeks anyways

And it was likely to end up forgotten in dust in my chest

[wispy ferry]

I disagree, and here it is anyway
had an early UDP9 and a random MP412 with a scope, when I found the scope can be fitted onto it it was my bandit-bullying primary for a good while

the whole .ltx file in there is just

fire_modes = 1, -1```

[next robin]

alr ill add it shortly, thanks

[teal compass]

yeah mine worked

[next robin]

Just me then

[teal compass]

yeah just do what norppa said and see if that works

[next robin]

ye ik dw

abt to sell a shit load of weapons and artefacts

[gleaming tide]

Move All button vanilla anomaly or a mod? If mod, which one?

[gleaming tide]

Probably sorting plus

[teal compass]

I think that's in vanilla already

if you are talking about move all items

[boreal dust]

I dont know if its GAMMA or Anomaly or what, but a simple DLTX mod just WILL NOT work at all. I know the value works when change in alife.ltx but the DLTX'd version won't work and it should...

[teal compass]

it load in alphabetic order I'm sure, can you add more z to your ltx name or something

[boreal dust]

mod_system_alife_zzztest.ltx ?

[teal compass]

yeah something like that

add as many as you want until it works really

[fair canopy]

Mod system zzz

[teal compass]

oh yeah do that

[boreal dust]

Didnt make a differece

Is someone else able to try it out for me

need to know if its my game

This should make time pass 1:1 so instead of 10 seconds passing 1 minute on the clock in PDA, it'll take 60 sec..

if it takes longer than 10 sec you will know if it works or not

[misty mulch]

except for, again, there aren't any other DLTX mods that affect alife in vanilla gamma

which i know because i ran a find-in-file for ![alife] across the entire gamma mod folder

z stacking will do jack shit

[misty mulch]

i think i replied to you already, but there are no other dltx mods that affect [alife] in the entirety of vanilla gamma, as proven by a find-in-file for ![alife] (or shit even [alife]) in the GAMMA mod directory. so z-stacking will do fuck all.

a more likely culprit might have to do with double checking which script reads from that config and how that is or isn't affected by gamma

[young gate]

whats the mod that animates the rain on the mask?

[boreal dust]

What's z-stacking?

oh adding z at the name..

[naive snow]

Screen space shaders

[random fulcrum]

that's vanilla anomaly tho

[simple sequoia]

yo, the udp-9 freezes my game too when I spawn it from debug menu. For me redownloading pilii's udp-9 fixed the issue.

[novel ruin]

I installed modded exe wrong and got the same thing as you when i spawn guns. Try a fresh install of modded exe, instruction in its github descr

[summer stream]

man i love making a whole new gun

(where did the shooting sound go)

[ember herald]

So specific question

Anyone have the port of the sa58 animation from iwp

[summer stream]

so question related to configs,
where do i write down new shooting sounds?

[simple sequoia]

It only happened with that 1 specific gun

[sharp mural]

Apart from sun lumscale and hemi, are there any other console commands that can lower these white highlights in standard AtmosR reshade?

[fair inlet]

inherit some sounds section from weapon_sounds.ltx

[summer stream]

got it

[fluid trench]

Is there any chance we can get the unloading weapons that are lying on the ground mechanic like in Stalker 2? That is one of the few QoL improvements that I really like.

[wispy ferry]

that sounds neat, but also GAMMA doesn't have ammo in weapons unless dropped by the player
would be more useful in base Anomaly

[cinder carbon]

Does .db works in MO2 or there are issues with?

[slow bolt]

yes,no

[cinder carbon]

I just compressed mod textures into .db - guessing scripts levels and others could be problematic?

[slow bolt]

there is no point in compressing to db

entire gamedata can go into .db

[cinder carbon]

I had to squeeze a bit GB on SSD, from 18gb mod textures got like 9gb - levels and rest am okay, not taking much

[sacred token]

It makes sense to compress textures and maybe meshes actually. Especially if you are working on a mod which has a lot of assets

But yeah, keep scripts etc as loose files

[gleaming tide]

@simple scaffold since you're the creator of sorting plus, what will be the easy way to introduce fav/junk items check for #1325622696259878993 I want items to not be transferred if they're marked as favorite/junk

[simple scaffold]

zzz_rax_sortingplus_mcm.is_favorite(section)
zzz_rax_sortingplus_mcm.is_junk(section)

[tropic crypt]

That would be really good. You're absolutely right. Stalker 2 does it really well.

[gleaming tide]

Adding those checks makes all items not being transferred, what am I missing?

[brisk crown]

@crisp oxide Hi

could you make a patch from body_seach_animation with skill system from haruka?

It seems that when I've open a body, the animation plays but I don't get the points from scavenging... I've tried to patch it myself but... with my poor programing skills, I was getting overflow or other problems

maybe you, creator of the mod can do it?

[nocturne rover]

try this please
i managed to make 1 min = 1 in-game min with my own config

let me know if it works...i mean it should
just delete everything else irrelevant you probably know about it better than me

Btw crashes on level transition etc. dont seriously use it lmao im tweaking it

[misty mulch]

that's just a direct overwrite of the alife file tho

i wonder if it's just One Of Those LTX Files that doesn't let you DLTX it

[nocturne rover]

oh, i didn't realize

[misty mulch]

yeah grulag was specifically asking why it couldn't be altered via DLTX

[nocturne rover]

Sorry

any clue if its possible for this "rewrite" to not break Lost Signal
i know its an obscure question but if i can figure that thing out, this rewrite would be best thing for me
Fixed

[quasi narwhal]

i wonder what happens when you change the time to be 1:1 with irl
that surely fucks up something with alife or quests right

[simple scaffold]

at a guess you messed up your Boolean algebra. but not seeing you code IDK.

add printf("Moving section: %s is fav: %s is junk: %s", section, zzz_rax_sortingplus_mcm.is_favorite(section), zzz_rax_sortingplus_mcm.is_junk(section)) to the code right before you do your check. if that prints incorrect things about an items junk/fav status let me know.

[simple scaffold]

no, its just not part of system so mod_system is the wrong prefix. PPL need to learn how DLTX works.

mod_alife_fuckery.ltx

[simple scaffold]

[nocturne rover]

@boreal dust oh yeah i tried it out
10 seconds for 1 in game minute

didnt work

thats why i wanted to send my own i just didn't realize DLTX vs replacer

[worn kindle]

Hey I was hoping someone could help me with making a patch for this mod im using (Sum of its Parts) https://search.brave.com/search?q=SUM+OF+ITS+PARTS+MODDB&source=desktop

Without the mod installed, mechanics repair weapon condition and weapon parts to 100, but with it enabled, mechanics will do the same thing but the repaired weapon parts will not be updated in the UI unless you field strip a part for force an update on the weapon.

[gleaming tide]

gui.Action_Quick_Stack_V = function()
        local npc = gui:GetPartner()
        if not npc then return end
        local cc = gui.CC["actor_bag"]
        if not cc or type(cc.indx_id) ~= "table" then
            print("Error: 'actor_bag' is invalid.")
            return
        end
        for id, _ in safe_pairs(cc.indx_id) do
            local obj = level.object_by_id(id)
            if obj and gui:Cond_Move(obj, "actor_bag") and gui.CC["npc_bag"]:FindSimilar(obj, obj:section()) then
                if not is_favorite(obj:section()) and not is_junk(obj:section()) then
                    gui:Action_Move(obj, "actor_bag")
                end
            end
        end
    gui.update_info = true
end

call me dumb and call it a day because I suck at code

[next robin]

Its specifically udp, idk how i couldve installed it wrong bc i never updated it from the gamma provided version, but i was planning on it

[lilac idol]

try updating your exes

[simple scaffold]

idk, looks ok, try:

gui.Action_Quick_Stack_V = function()
        local npc = gui:GetPartner()
        if not npc then return end
        local cc = gui.CC["actor_bag"]
        if not cc or type(cc.indx_id) ~= "table" then
            print("Error: 'actor_bag' is invalid.")
            return
        end
        for id, _ in safe_pairs(cc.indx_id) do
            local obj = level.object_by_id(id)
            if obj and gui:Cond_Move(obj, "actor_bag") and gui.CC["npc_bag"]:FindSimilar(obj, obj:section()) then
                  local section = obj:section()
                  printf("RAX Moving section: %s is fav: %s is junk: %s", section, zzz_rax_sortingplus_mcm.is_favorite(section), zzz_rax_sortingplus_mcm.is_junk(section))
                  printf("RAX Moving section: %s is fav: %s is junk: %s", section, is_favorite(section), is_junk(section))
                  if not is_favorite(obj:section()) and not is_junk(obj:section()) then
                    gui:Action_Move(obj, "actor_bag")
                end
            end
        end
    gui.update_info = true
end

if the lines never print then the problem is in the earlier logic. if the lines don't match then there is a problem with how you are aliasing the functions. if the first line is wrong about an items fav or junk status then there is something wrong with SP.

[gleaming tide]

It seems like it never prints

[gleaming tide]

#1325622696259878993 message
That's full mod before adding this check, have a look, at this point - idk

[misty mulch]

oh ppft. you are right.

[crisp oxide]

this happens because of how skill system checks for this skill. After you interact with body it waits 0.1 and check if Inventory UI is opened to apply skill. But since this mod delays it to play animation, Skill system sees that no UI opened and does nothing.

Before I make a patch u can try to fix it by opening the file:
haru_skill.script (In GAMMA it should be in an addon called G.A.M.M.A. Skill System Balance)

and on line 330 there should be this text:
CreateTimeEvent("haruka_scavenger", "haruka_scavanger", 0.1, function()

u can try and bump that 0.1 wait time to 1. It should work

[vital dock]

made repositions with weapon hud editor & hud offsets editor, yet somehow the mp5 frasier just refuses to accept the new repos

[teal compass]

confirm it works

[boreal dust]

Yeah trying to re-learn it, doesn't help when LTXDiff says something wrong.

mod_alife works, which is weird because for other things that wasn't setting the game time speed, mod_system_alife worked

Such as this.

mod_system_alife ^

[simple scaffold]

it worked before you added the check? consistantly? because i know for a fact there is a mod in gamma somewhere that will init the inventory UI for some reason which would undo your add_quick_stack_actions rather than tracking first_start you should just run add_quick_stack_actions when gui.Action_Quick_Stack_V == nil

things i noticed that are not going to be related to this problem but is odd.

there is a keybind callback

that's not how on_game_start should be implemented.

You must have actual lua programming experience from somewhere not xray. DFHack?

[simple scaffold]

ahh that is because it is both in system and loaded independantly. you will need both a mod_system and mod_alife to fully patch it. i would just make them identical. rather than trying to figure out which get used when the file is loaded one way or the other.

[simple scaffold]

we can blame the anomaly devs here for being wierd. double loading an ltx doesn't break anything but makes DLTX hard and confuses LTXDiff.

[gleaming tide]

It worked consistently within few hours of a game I had to play with the mod. Although my experience with lua is most to non existent, all I did here is looked thru the references, similar mods and used some logic. Yeah, pro coder move...
That's how I did most of the mods in games I modded

[simple scaffold]

that's how i learned, we had almost no guides in 2020, the community has been adding them since late 2021.

you are just using local more than a typical xray modder would. more like "propper" lua, no harm in it. except that a non local on_game_start will be automatically called after all scripts are loaded. calling a local version the way you are runs it way earlier. not a problem with the two callbacks you are using, but mod added callbacks might not exist yet, so your registration will fail.

as for the patch being undone because someone reinits the UI. it will also cause sorting plus to stop putting items into rows, and go back to the default jumble of items. but SP redoes it's patch of the inventory UI every time any game setting is changed so it is less noticable. it is on my bug tracker.

if SP rows are still there then the problem isn't that the UI got reinit'd.

One more thing to check. add a line printf("Quick Stacks loaded") at the very end of your script. because if there is a script syntax error your script just gets skipped over silently unless the game is in debug mode. If it is in debug mode it should tell you what is wrong.

i like to use this lua syntax checker. it isn't for xray but it catches all basic lua syntax problems. https://fptje.github.io/glualint-web/

rows not favorite colors, fav/junk don't break.

also print("test") i am pretty sure doesn't actually go to the xray log. printf("test") will.

ok. back to VR games for me. later

[novel ruin]

How do i get a list of act_id from a ev_id in demonized time event? Or just remove all time event in a ev_id?
And also what happen when i remove time event at the time its changing value. Will the value just stop or reset back to original?

[brisk crown]

oooh so that's how it works, so the 0.1 value should be a bit higher than the "delay" value in body_animation

A value of 2 worked for me, thanks, i dind't know it was that simple lmao

[boreal dust]

Any script wizards able to please help me identify any improvements to this?
Feedback saying that it seems that it increments hours too quick but im not sure..

    return math.floor(game.get_game_time():diffSec(level.get_start_time()) /level.get_time_factor() * 10) * 0.1 /60 /60
end

function on_game_start()
  RegisterScriptCallback("on_key_press", onKeyPress)
end

function onKeyPress(dik)
    if dik == DIK_keys.DIK_M then
        news_manager.send_tip(db.actor, string.format("Total Playtime: %s Hours", math.ceil(get_time_elapsed())), 0, nil, 1500)
    end
end

[brisk crown]

also, one thing that would be interesting, would be like, if you use both hands, takes half of the time, or when using one hand double the time

[warm tinsel]

What mod/variable is responsible for 3-round burst ROF?

[random fulcrum]

rpm_mode_2 in the weapon's ltx

[covert pivot]

What's the idea of it, just how much time has passed since start of the game? Generally playtime would be considered real time spent. This doesnt seem to account for sleep - idk if you want the accelerated time passage of sleep, fast travel etc to count for this.

[novel ruin]

is there anyway to open console but still keeping the normal input?

[boreal dust]

no that's in-game time, however this is the persons actual amount of hours spent in the game

on that save

[covert pivot]

if so then its script wise looks fine as is. I just dont personally know all the time values accessible, i know some other time-keeping mods that exist dont handle sleeping well. its why i mentioned it

[minor kestrel]

how can i change relations with specific NPC? ive got 2200+ rep with ecos, they are green frens EXCEPT for that jerk sakharov, hes hostile and im tired of chasing him across whole yantar and getting punched while talking and taking quests from him, i want to set relationship with him to be good, either debug or somekind of script to do it, howto?

[misty mulch]

debug mode

just turn on debug mode and open the menu with F7, there's literally a "make npc friendly" menu item that you click on

[warm tulip]

Guys how can set lower condition to any weapon in debug menu

[boreal dust]

Would changing the time_scale in alife.ltx mess with anything?

[novel ruin]

what does a time event do? is it a Lerp?

[subtle spruce]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/old-dog-sleeves would you guys happen to know how to get this hands pack working with GAMMA? I fw it heavy and it crashes on startup even after disabling both THAP mods and GAMMA Hands Legs Model Swap

[boreal dust]

Any ideas @undone lily ?

[summer stream]

and what kind of error do u get..

[subtle spruce]

Just closes itself before it can open the game, no error or crash log sadly

Oh I figured it out, I just deleted the config file in the addon an let it overwrite the textures and meshes of the 2 thap reworks lol

[drifting moat]

Hey guys. I modified my GAMMA shortcut that starts the launcher to instead run a PS script of mine. (The script opens the launcher and waits for the Monolith engine to start and then disables CPU0 for it). I put this PS script in "C:\GAMMA.Grok's Modpack Installer". Will it disappear once I update the launcher/gamma modpack to a new version?

[wispy ferry]

don't quote me on this, but I'm fairly certain the installer doesn't delete excess files in any of the folders, just replaces files with their updated versions
my only proof of this is that I have had a few subfolders for storing extra mods and files and the installing/updating process has never messed with those, and that any extra mods that are installed via MO2 remain in the mods folder as they should be

[drifting moat]

Okay thank you. It wouldn't be much of a pain if it were to delete it anyways. It's just a really simple stuff to redo. but gonna keep a copy of it somwhere else.

[wispy ferry]

always smart to do it like that

[undone lily]

Probably you need to start a new game I think to be on the safe side

[toxic widget]

How to see all avaliable functions in game?

I need function to show hud

get_hud()?

[lapis tendon]

I succesfully installed Better A-life Overhaul 1.4, it works okay, but now i got tons of npcs in newly visited locations

What i need to tweak?

[tender pawn]

So what software do ya'll recommend for modelling in this game?

[gleaming tide]

Blender, also check pins

[tender pawn]

is Blender anything like Autodesk?

I have cad software experience more than like, 3d art modelling experience

but cad software is like, ludicrously expensive

at least good ones

[gleaming tide]

Blender is free and easy, if you had expreniece - you'll get to it quickly

Idk anything about Autodesk other than that 3DMAX sucks

[tender pawn]

Yeah this is WAAAAAAAAAAY different

CAD software is like, constraining things with dimensions and measurements

this sort of thing

The problem is this

[covert pivot]

Best to just learn blender

[tender pawn]

But I have experience in CAD, not sculpting

If I can get a CAD that converts to files in Blender, it would probably be less of a learning curve

Plus, I'm modelling guns, that's very geometric

Wait, apparently Fusion 360 is free if you generate less than 1000$ a year using it

I will generate 0$ with it

Am I seriously going to be using a Cad program to convert to blender to convert to Xray?

I think the answer is yes

[gleaming tide]

Good luck not fucking stuff up during the conversions

[tender pawn]

Thanks, I'll probably need it

Thaaaaaats better

[gleaming tide]

Learning blender is pretty easy so, your choice

Modelling is pretty much the same across most of the programs

[tender pawn]

Not really

Like, this is not sculpting

plus, I already know how to use this from classes at school and internships

[gleaming tide]

Sculpting is a different technique not related to the program choice. Yes, you can do that in blender but you'll never sculpt guns because why would u???

[summer stream]

and there is a thing called vortex groups

[tender pawn]

well, I know how to use this software already

[covert pivot]

Good luck with it, idk if anyone can help you with it

[gleaming tide]

(no one here)

[celest forge]

You dont have to "sculpt" in blender

You can still pretty much work in geometric shapes if what youre making needs that

Do you think people that make gun models in blender sculpt a big block into a gun by adding and reducing voxels or what

[covert pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-scultpure-master-art-gif-5931498

[pure mason]

Is there any addon for gamma that adds debuffs and degradation for silencers?

[fair canopy]

No

[tender pawn]

Still something to be said for the fact I am already trained on autodesk

In blender I can’t find where to make a sketch, extrude, or even find the fucking origin point

[summer stream]

The red circle in the middle :

[tender pawn]

I’ll use blender once I get the parts modeled and want to assemble and animate it

Speaking of which does anyone have a good example of like, how to arrange parts in blender?

Like the “T Pose” of a gun

[tender pawn]

hmm, maybe 45 is too small, or the gun is too big in its cartoony proportions

Hmm, I guess one problem I may run into is you can easily convert a cad file to a mesh

other way around kind of sucks to do

I look at this and all I wonder is like, where is the origin, what are the coordinates, how do I make a sketch, how do I extrude

Is there something that's better for just 3d models? I don't need anything to do with animation

[celest forge]

Cant use that version of blender for anything related to the Xray Engine

[tender pawn]

Ok, what version?

and is that any less... undefined?

[celest forge]

3.6 or lower iirc

[tender pawn]

where do I get that?

[celest forge]

Would have to check the Pavel Blender plugin github

[gleaming tide]

[tender pawn]

I did, it just says blender

And the wiki is in russian

ok I found where it archives

is there an english translated installation guide for that addon?

[covert pivot]

https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/blender/blender-x-ray-addon-summary.html#addon-installation-and-setup

[tender pawn]

Thanks

wait

oh for fucks sake, I blame github

[teal compass]

figured out how to add 1p59 onto the aek reanimated kit (yes the scope is a bit off I just fixed it)

[tender pawn]

The download gave me the develop version

how hard is it for github to just make a standardized "Here is the release of this work, press this button to download it"

Where can I find a model to load up from stalker as like an example?

[teal compass]

any ogf file should do

[tender pawn]

Where are those

[teal compass]

meshes folder

[tender pawn]

in?

[teal compass]

?

[tender pawn]

Like, in anomaly folder?

I am 100% new to this

[teal compass]

you have to unpack those first

if you want to open stuff in base anomaly

go to tools folder in anomaly folder and click db_unpacker_all

that should extract everything (which is quite a lot)

and you can look in there

or just look into the mo2 mod folder there also exist ogf files

[tender pawn]

what about like, default game stuff?

Or is that in the anomaly unpack too?

[teal compass]

do this

[tender pawn]

I did, now I'm looking at a model and realizing that, in fact, blender is so much different from cad in terms of how to make models that it has zero overlap

[teal compass]

they are different apps so yeah

[tender pawn]

Not just different apps

completely different functions and ways that they are defined

It's like a raster image vs a vector

[teal compass]

yes

[tender pawn]

they are different apps as in the application of them is completely different

[tender pawn]

Ok I found something that works better with both, kinda

also turns out fusion 360 is ONLY cloud storage, which fuck that, I want my own files

[plush sierra]

Fusion is a pain in the ass

I'm a Blender man myself

Solidworks is a decent alternative if you're more cad orientated, and plasticity is pretty good too

But Blender + MACHIN3's add ons is good as it gets in my opinion

[tender pawn]

The problem is I just don't know how to use blender the way I do cad, are there like, sketches and extrusions to be done in it?

[plush sierra]

Yes

You can import an image as a plane for example, and trace vertexes across it, joing them togther into an edge or ngon

Can extrude the face that creates out

If you're already cad oritentated I suggest you watch a tutorial to get a feel for how it tranlates over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEG316zdd0k&list=PL7bmj43vr2FdKsaS8pT-3CDBOA1S7_U-S

There are lots of free cad addons too

[fickle fractal]

guys anyone has a mod that shows me the % in number on my bottom left corner of the thirstiness, sleep and hunger?
tired of opening menu just to keep a check on them

[plush sierra]

Dynahud?

You can turn those on or off with a button

Or set conditions for when they appear

[tender pawn]

Thankyou!

[quartz anchor]

Does anyone have a recomendation for for some LMG mods? Like 556 or 308. More 249 SAWs or 240 bravos. I find the PKs to be an ugly weapon system.

[slow bolt]

#╟🔰☢newbies-chat

this is for making mods, not asking for them

[boreal dust]

What does <rank min="1000" max="5000" /> Do in chatacter_desc_faction_number.xml ? I forget..

[covert pivot]

Gives npc random rank between those values when it spawns

[boreal dust]

Any way to understand what those ranks would be? Like how many points = what rank?

[covert pivot]

Game_relations.ltx

Whats your plan with them

[boreal dust]

I'm reviewing my ANUS for possible updates and was trying to figure out what this did, as it was different in DICK than ANUS and i couldn't remember why.

https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/addons/dxml.html hmmmmmm

[summer stream]

can someone tell me,
what can cause a problem when you try to unjam the gun, but it doesnt unjam?

since i'm currently trying to unjam it and
nothing happens

and it supposed to do this

but it just doesnt react

[lilac idol]

I don't really understand the issue

like it used to unjam before and now it doesn't or what

[summer stream]

it didnt even lets me unjam

i spam the r key

no reaction

[lilac idol]

but here it unjams without problems

[summer stream]

because it's a FNX

not GS45

[lilac idol]

ah right I didn't notice that

[summer stream]

you will never, because my ass forgot to remove the model

[lilac idol]

maybe it's the config?

[summer stream]

The config :

yea

i did this

dltx it

because weapons for some MAGICAL reason
doesnt work for me

on default anomaly it says ur good to go

gamma is my nightmare

[fair inlet]

try not spamming, anim might be interrupted

[summer stream]

not really

even with pressing, it doesnt work

on the FNX(model change) it goes fine

[lilac idol]

are you sure it's mod_system_ and not mod_ ?

[summer stream]

Sir

It's

mod_system

[lilac idol]

yeah but have you tried without system

[summer stream]

you know

that's a good idea

lemme try

[lilac idol]

you could also try making a normal w_.ltx

[summer stream]

you know it could be also the cause of the inspect animation NOT playing

it's fucking gone

[covert pivot]

Using dltx you need separate copies for every root the section is used in. System is one root but if unjam and inspect is done through scripts they might read an ltx file before system

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/5opka-пятёрка-5орка-gif-2354818613991651395

[covert pivot]

If its a new gun just best to create new w_ ltx

[summer stream]

ill just do so

and HOPE

that it will read the w_ ltx

because i fucking hate the gamma system

phew

it did read

still nothing

i love this game so much

[covert pivot]

[summer stream]

and when i try to unjam it through menu

nothing

wtf is this shit

what my game is on to

god i need to go into config now

to see if i even have unjam animation written

[covert pivot]

Best bet is to compare to fnx configs probably, since that seems to function

[summer stream]

because its a separate gun

i combined anims from one script

well, ltx

and put it in the ltx section

ill just look into it

[lilac idol]

maybe it's the uas script

[summer stream]

universal animations could be the reason

i have them at the bottom of the list

[lilac idol]

and do you have the scripts inside the gamedata?

[summer stream]

which scripts

just look into it yourself, i published the first version

i have three folders there, without any scripts

[lilac idol]

I'm not home

[summer stream]

it couldn't be the reason, right

[lilac idol]

I mean just copy paste the script from firebreath's

[summer stream]

literally this

[lilac idol]

add the scripts folder and check

[summer stream]

will do so

[summer stream]

didnt work

[lilac idol]

idk then

have you made sure that the omf is correct?

maybe the animation in the ltx doesn't match the one in the omf

[tender pawn]

About how many polygons should I shoot for in a gun?

no pun intended

[covert pivot]

Check some blackgrowls models maybe for it

[summer stream]

funny thing

fixed after adding parts

[lilac idol]

like around 30k max

[lilac idol]

yeah that makes sense

[tender pawn]

How do I like, check it? or look at a wireframe of all vertexes?

[summer stream]

fuck gamma fr

[covert pivot]

Most programs should have somewhere it display poly/vert count

Might need to turn them on tho, atleast in blender i think i had to turn on scene statistics or something similar

[lilac idol]

enable statistics

[tender pawn]

I'm using blender, with the cad extension thingy someone showed me

also is there an option for like a timeline of undos?

[lilac idol]

not sure but id like to know ngl

also yeah check basically any blackgrowl models that are similar to what you want to do

[covert pivot]

Not afaik. 'Edit' -> 'Undo History' is the most you get i think

[tawny crag]

hey guys

So bassicly I'm shooting at zombies, essentially decaying flesh, with a .45 ACP, which is more like a cannon. The guy takes 8-10 rounds and keeps running. Then I get hit by him with 3 punches and fall flat on my face. The game has so many elements that are supposed to make it realistic, but when I play and encounter a situation like this, I instantly lose the desire to keep playing.

Can I somehow increase the damage to make it more realistic? Like so that enemies go down after a maximum of 3 shots if they're not armored? Especially when it's larger-caliber rounds. A sniper rifle should kill with one shot.****

can someone help me how to change it?

[celest forge]

It's not supposed to be realistic

Aim for the head if you want to deal more damage

[misty mulch]

i've given them that whole spiel already

they're here to learn how to jack k_hit to 100 in weapon_ammo.ltx

[celest forge]

Fair enough, that's one way to do it

[random fulcrum]

zombies aren't decaying flesh

they're brain damaged people

otherwise still keeping all of their body functions intact

civilian zombies are just weird in that regard but they got cut for a reason

[slow bolt]

.45 acp is not a cannon, and is not large caliber

whole point of zombies is they are decaying and you can shoot their body all you want

zombiefied stalkers are just brain-damaged. Though they still can take more shots

[tawny crag]

okay i will try to play some more on it. But i will come back to ask for help if i don't like it. i really like realistic shooting. Check out what 45 acp Do to bricks on youtube 😛 than imagine what it should do to dog

[celest forge]

If you like realistic shooting then why are you playing a sci-fi game like STALKER

Did you fall for someone saying GAMMA was the "game that doesn't fake realism" or something

[tawny crag]

because i love stalker.

Stalker is life

❤️

[random fulcrum]

yeah he fell for it

[tawny crag]

i played call of chernobyl for 4 years now

[celest forge]

If you like realistic shooting then I see you having a hard time with the OG stalker games

[tawny crag]

and i wanted to try gamma

[celest forge]

As those are as far from realistic shooting as I could think of

[tawny crag]

YES xd

Ogs were hard 😉 but i like it realistic since call of chernobyl AO3

im a big fan of firearmsd

[fair canopy]

You do realize bricks explode when shot because they have no elasticity right?

[tawny crag]

and stalker COC with AO gave me lot of fun

[misty mulch]

again you can jack up the .45 acp ammo dmg multiplier to 100 by editing weapon_ammo.ltx

it is 0% realistic

but will have the result you want re: slaughtering everything with basic ass pistol ammo

[tawny crag]

maybe not 100

but more than now it has

[fair canopy]

This is why all armies have switched to 45 acp in every gun

[tawny crag]

haha

so what should i do exactly

❤️

[wispy ferry]

there is not many clean ways to make guns hit extra hard against one enemy type without also making ALL guns hit extra bloody hard and thus everything dies
other than making that specific enemy massively less damage resistant, in which case they become very easy to kill with anything

[slow bolt]

its a pistol round

[misty mulch]

technically you can edit the mutant dmg mult in gboobs script but .45 hydrashock already is more or less best-in-class against mutants

so like

if you want to make a cheap basic pistol ammo destroy everything, you can, it will just also ruin any semblance of difficulty

you realize that's what you're asking for right?

you have a... specific... belief about how this pistol "should" perform

and are ignoring that with that gun you already have access to one of the best anti-mutant rounds available in GAMMA

[random fulcrum]

the saying is yet again proven to be forever correct

[tawny crag]

i just wanted to increase the damage just a bit

[random fulcrum]

anyways is the complaint related to civilian zombies or zombiefied stalkers

[tawny crag]

Is everything handled separately? Are the damage values for specific ammunition assigned to each AI individually?

[random fulcrum]

yes and no

[tawny crag]

Civilian zombies

[slow bolt]

civilian zombies are supposed to be shot in the head

[tawny crag]

okay

[slow bolt]

they are like actual zombies with decayed flesh

shooting them in torso does fuck all

[random fulcrum]

go into grok_bo.script and edit lines 452 and 454

[tawny crag]

where is it? in anomaly folder or mod organizer

or wher

[random fulcrum]

mo2

[misty mulch]

!mo2search // use the file searcher

[queen pine]

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[random fulcrum]

right hand side, filter for grok_bo

[lethal heron]

Hey, guys. I want to change the initial value of skills in the “Haruka Skills 49” mod. Can someone help me in which line of the config it can be done?

[tawny crag]

grok_bo script

[random fulcrum]

in any text editor ever

[tawny crag]

yea yea

i know

thank you ❤️

have a great day

[random fulcrum]

you could even add a conditional for only .45 by adding something like

if string.find(ammo_section, "11.43x23") then
  spec_monster_mult = 2
end

or match with "11.43x23_fmj" if you want to exclude hydra

[plush silo]

hello everyone just wanna tell you guys I`ve spent the last week snorting smoking and messing up gammas code

and I`m having a blast

playing on dev2 build with a few extra mods/tweaks I made myself and I just wanted to report a bug that I`ve decided im going to fix myself tonight

and post the fix here(as soon as I discover how to fix it)

Ive done more coding in one week than in 2 years in college and I just wanted to thank everyone here I love this mod and you guys, anybody ever need any help im available

btw just deactivated the main menu music by literally deleting the ogg file for it, gonna tell you guys if that fucks up the game somehow

and I`m using hrtf from the anomaly folder, the game sounds literally better than tarkov audio rn

[slow bolt]

this aint the place for... all of that

[slow bolt]

and please dont spread enabling random things in the .ini

you can go to #╓☢stalker-chat or #╟🔰☢newbies-chat

[plush silo]

sorry, I`m just happy that I actually managed to make it work(barely)

[plush silo]

k, but im not joking, as soon as i find the fix for the pda im posting it here

[slow bolt]

dont

because there is nothing to fix. Stop using dev2 for no reason

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

[plush silo]

<3

[random fulcrum]

i maen the branch is public

why tell him that

anyone can be on dev2 if they so wish

[plush silo]

my game was already way unstable and modded anyway

[random fulcrum]

testers only get the installer to do it for them

besides more people actively working towards dev2 is always fine

because testers don't give a fuck about gamma

everyone knows that

[slow bolt]

Sure they can.
But there is no reason to. And without being a tester their anythign about dev2 is useless and ignored

[plush silo]

how can I be a tester

[random fulcrum]

and the only person that actively codes in dev2 is oleh

[slow bolt]

#╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[plush silo]

I literally spent the last week coding

to put the cig animations back

because I wanted to smoke with my character

and some other thinguies

also

debugging

my save

lol

you guys have no idea

i`ve probably tested every option available in the mcm

to see which ones work and which ones dont

[slow bolt]

bruh that is already in gamma

[plush silo]

no no

[slow bolt]

anyway, this aint the place for chat

weed anim is also in gamma

[random fulcrum]

brother type more than 3 words in one message

[quasi narwhal]

average whatsapp user

[random fulcrum]

also it's funny that you spent a full week coding to do what you can do by disabling one mod

brother coded in the animations

[quasi narwhal]

classic case of "i can solve it with more code" instead of searching for alternative/no-code solutions

[random fulcrum]

ride the modding high a little slower

[quasi narwhal]

you could probably achieve the same result of longer smoking animations by disabling a couple of mods and using Enjoy Cigarettes

[random fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/5Rjp3y8VqfU?t=125

[quasi narwhal]

oh no here we go

[random fulcrum]

this entire exchange in a nutshell

it's one hell of a "hey i made my first mod!!!" situation

[slow bolt]

"on dev2!!"

[random fulcrum]

haven't seen it like that since that guy with the white dog pfp that begged grok for like a month for the modder role

because he made a single line edit to a gun

[quasi narwhal]

hey maka where is my modder role!!!!!!!

[quasi narwhal]

fucking hell this is such a classic

[slow bolt]

p!who

[tardy vale]

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[quasi narwhal]

what if it's the cheap brazilian coke speaking louder than your remaining brain cells

sometimes this server goes from 0 to 100 really fast

[random fulcrum]

can't relate

anyways not modding general

[misty mulch]

ah yes #mods-making-brainfart

[quasi narwhal]

mfs will look at mods making discussion and read the title as "therapy-room"

[misty mulch]

#🎪bruh-fart

[slow bolt]

#🎪bruh-fart

[misty mulch]

question: working on DXML simple string replacer using a table of changes + basic loop to iterate through it to make changes. Would it be better practice to have one gigantic table for all potential changes, or is it better to split it up (e.g. "this is the table of changes to quest dialogs, here's the table for changes to item descriptions") for organizational/performance reasons?

[unborn sorrel]

holy hell

[misty mulch]

yeah you missed some shit

[covert pivot]

split for organization probably

[random fulcrum]

organizational reasons of coursw

[quasi narwhal]

just another day on this beautiful channel

[covert pivot]

shouldnt make a difference in performance

[quasi narwhal]

organization 100%

[random fulcrum]

does it help performance? i really doubt it

[misty mulch]

so e.g. modxml_quest_changes.script, modxml_item_descriptions.script and so on?

neat

[random fulcrum]

yeah that'd be fine

[misty mulch]

i mean i know i could probably slam it all into one very long script file too, but if i'm splitting it up i'd rather do multiple files

[quasi narwhal]

also if you just wanna check if a value is in the table it's better doing a lookup of booleans like

local shit = {
  ["..."] = 1
}

if shit["..."] then

[celest forge]

veerserif modder arc

[quasi narwhal]

faster than iterating it every time

[misty mulch]

my fear of lua warring against my hatred of file replacers

[covert pivot]

the good ending

[celest forge]

Nah

Bad ending

(He will never actually play the game again)

[covert pivot]

[misty mulch]

this assumes i ever did

[celest forge]

[misty mulch]

i don't think i've loaded gamma or anomaly for longer than like 10m (e: in the past year) and all 10m were to try to replicate bugs

[celest forge]

I know the debug map better than my own room atp

[random fulcrum]

doing a cool gameplay gimmick and going "wow this is so cool i will never play this game or use my mod"

[misty mulch]

i'm sure i'll drop a minimally working version of my dxml changes here for scrutiny soon enough

"soon enough"

[celest forge]

The mighty "soon ™️ "

[covert pivot]

soon 2000 npc portraits will materialize on my disk

[misty mulch]

just manifest mods into being

oh speaking of i need to manifest the 0.9.3 weapons spreadsheet into being too.

[drifting moat]

How does one get the modder role? You have to make a proper mod that makes it to a version bump? Just curious. Was thinking about this yesterday

[celest forge]

For modder, you post a mod in #1035807043933720576 and then ask a moderator to give you the role

For Alpha modder, it's completely arbitrary and I think only Grok can give that one out

[drifting moat]

Was wondering what that means. I guess you have to impress Grok or something.

[celest forge]

It's just completely arbitrary tbf

[drifting moat]

Has anyone ever tried to tamper the monolith engine to allow multi core? Heared that it would fck up too many things so it's basically a no-go. Also is this strictly mod making discussion? Or also technical stuff is allowed

[slow bolt]

obviously a lot of people tried

you are talking like its a simple thing

[drifting moat]

No I know it would be mental

Engine development in general is for me. Never done it, but watched videos on YT. Entertainment and technical ones both. I am not cut out for it that's for sure

[covert pivot]

your best bet for multi core is to find out what dezowave group is doing with xray 2.0

[random fulcrum]

yeah it's just a tradition thing as to why nobody has enabled multithreading, since it's just a simple bool change in the source code

[covert pivot]

or someone just randomly gives you it

[drifting moat]

But 1 core can run multi thread can't it? But it works more kinda like Async. Don't want to say stupid stuff so take it with a grain of salt. Not that into hardware knowledge

[random fulcrum]

neither am i

didn't add /s my bad chief

the oxr gunslinger guys have proper multithreading in their roadmap

[drifting moat]

I always wanted to try modding to be honest. I fucked around some with LUA in MC computercraft. But it always seemed so niche to get into. I mean like hard to find good material regarding documentation of the game's code. Was waiting for hytale to try it since they plan to make it extremely accessible

[covert pivot]

this is your chance #╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[quasi narwhal]

first most important step to start modding:

hit that duckass

[random fulcrum]

waiting for hytale is like waiting for cwwp

you want it to come out

you know it's not coming out

[drifting moat]

Yeah honestly this is tempting me for a few days now to just take a leap of faith. Was looking trough a few of the commits in development. I could start by reading the link and just reading the commits on git. But I have to start a web dev project soon. So I will hardly have time. Maybr I will switch out playing GAMMA to learning about modding it once I finish this run.

[random fulcrum]

brother just hop into modding, take one cool idea you have and type in lua

[covert pivot]

id say the best motivator for modding is just wanting to fix something that annoys you

[random fulcrum]

what can go wrong

yeah that unironically

[drifting moat]

True. Been following it closely for years... riot being the publisher now is promising tho. The infinite money sink is open

[random fulcrum]

disagreeing with something got me into modding

[drifting moat]

I already have a first thing in mind actually. Looking into how to include the percentage of weapon part hp appear in the maintain weapon context menu dropdown

[covert pivot]

thats a good one, saw someone with a suggestion for it as well in #1092834455300866068

[drifting moat]

Even better if there's already a WIP fix for it. Maybe I could give it a whirl then check the other persons WIP

[covert pivot]

i dont think anyones done a wip for it, its more of just a suggestion proposition there https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1326417719423143967

[drifting moat]

Ah gotcha. Yeah this could even potentially make it to a release if done right.

[tawny crag]

yo guys. someone know how to turn the blur off fully?

[celest forge]

I'll trade anyone a gun of their choosing for a repair all button on cleaning kits

[drifting moat]

This ain't exactly the right group for that. But MCM SSS DOF I believe

[tawny crag]

im pretty new in gamma

mcm ist the left filter or right

[covert pivot]

!dof

[queen pine]

@tawny crag Follow this: #╭📖faq message

[tawny crag]

thx

[drifting moat]

Gotcha. Just wait till I wrestle my way trough the part percentage thing.

Funny how easy these sound, but these can be the biggest time sink traps. They either really take a 1-2 hours or an eternal descent to the debugging spiral. When it takes hours to solve 1 thing and the very next step you get stuck for hours once again.

[keen locust]

Hey guys I'm trying to make the clear sky ui work with accurate stats extended and I'm having issues with the health display. It is updating correctly and all that but for some reason it's bigger then it should be. My mod order is as follows:

• CS UI
• Accurate Stats
• Accurate Stats Extended

I think that the original CS UI script might have some lines that I should remove/change but Accurate Stats Extended should overwrite it. I'm kinda lost here.

[naive snow]

This channel isn't mod troubleshooting, ask in the actual accurate stats thread and get GTA 4 gif slapped

[quasi narwhal]

that's some based looking UI though

[covert pivot]

ASE ui rework is awesome

[drifting moat]

Whad IDE do you guys use? I saw that Visual Studio has a LUA extension. Or should I just stick to a text editor?

[slow bolt]

Notepad++

[drifting moat]

Is that the standard? I saw the pinned post recommending it also but I would not prefer that if there are good alternatives

[slow bolt]

why not?

[drifting moat]

Used to bloatware honestly. But I take your advice to give it a go since you're more experienced. Only used it so far to view/prettify JSON, SQL.

[slow bolt]

what. on what planet

Its been standard text editor for a decade now if not more

[drifting moat]

I am used to using Visual Studio. That is the bloated one not Np++. I think we misunderstood each other

[covert pivot]

i use vscode for actually writing stuff in lua or np++ for just general viewing

[slow bolt]

Visual Studio is very bloated, yes.
You can use VScode if you like. Notepad++ is enough for modding

[covert pivot]

and sometimes intellj, since i write external tools/scripts for myself to automate stuff in kotlin + im used to the git functionality of it

[drifting moat]

Gitbash

I was thinking about VS code. Will check out Np++, vs code and the plugin for studio. And see which one clicks for this stuff

[slow bolt]

Studio is bad for anything you can do literally anywhere else

[covert pivot]

yeah, i use that too, but i like gui git more for regular use

[drifting moat]

Yeah me 2. Commit/push, switch branches in studio. Rebase in bash. The holy balance

[covert pivot]

just a hotkey away

[drifting moat]

I would rather not go down this rabbit hole. To everyone what they prefer is fine. There are no real game changing downsides to using either if you're experienced IMO. Even performance vise.

[drifting moat]

Yeah, but I was taught on bash by a colleague and you know that's what sticked. I loved the simplicity there. But I still do conflict res in studio.

[covert pivot]

habits are hard to break, depends on whatever you feel most efficient in

like i tell everyone to use np++ for modding and use the find in files and compare functionalities there eventho i use separate programs for both of those myself, since ive used those for like 10 years

[misty mulch]

i use both because i'm horrible

most of the time i am using notepad++ for find-in-file, comparisons, simple ltx etc. editing

in fairness i'm using vscode largely to write python scripts to extract data from game/mod files

and i do my git PRs straight in the browser

like a sicko

[quasi narwhal]

just use vscode with a proper Lua LS + customized settings.json

or neovim if you're feeling extra chad

[covert pivot]

data extraction/creation is huge. I dont think duxs character kit wouldve gotten to be as large as it is without automation tools

tho i didnt write scripts for capture extraction and stuff - that was more just find in files + regex

[misty mulch]

well, you can do a lot with that

[covert pivot]

most stuff i just handle through csv -> xml

[fathom wagon]

I can't break out of using NP++. Good for me in mulitple ways for what I do.

[covert pivot]

its honestly very capable for a lot of things

[drifting moat]

Coding on invictus difficulty

Watchd a few videos on it on the "Theprimeagen" channel. Sicko stuff

[drifting moat]

Regex is chad for so many reasons. Can save a ton of time

[quasi narwhal]

it can cause a hell of a nightmare too

especially if it's recursive

[quasi narwhal]

Crowdstrike being a great example of that

though I use it a lot just cause it's convenient + it's deeply rooted in my brain at this point

[quasi narwhal]

Prime is a great dude

[drifting moat]

Been there. Had to replace using statements/fully qualified name, but like thousands across hundreds of files. I fcked up the regex the first time and didn't notice it in time. That was not fun restoring. Punishments for not committing smaller batches I guess

[brave jackal]

Was looking into editing npc loadouts as a first introduction to making my own personal mods.
From another modpack I stumbled unto this:

;====
![bandit_veteran_secondary]
wpn_tec9:r:r

Is there any documentation on what this means?
Like I understand that for the bandits that are veteran rank they can have a secondary that is a tec9 but I would like to know what the 2 r's mean and what other values there possibly could be for those

[random fulcrum]

first r means random ammo type, that can be any number from 0 to the ammo type index defined for the gun in the weapon's ltx

second r is the attachment flag and i don't remember the exact sequence

[covert pivot]

npc_loadouts.ltx is your friend as well

0 - no attachment, for Scope add +1 to flag, for GL add +2 to flag, for Silencer add + 4 to flag

r will generate a random valid value combination the gun can have

And its first attachment flag, then ammo type

[random fulcrum]

damn i got them reversed

[covert pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-mods-sonic-sonic-06-moderators-gif-1423027052588540152

[random fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/QQparhkeVWc?t=26

[fair granite]

Can i check stash loot tables somewhere?

like, not the tiers, the actually armors etc that can spawn at "medium armor" for example

[covert pivot]

treasure_manager.ltx probably, maybe grok_treasure_manager.ltx

[brave jackal]

@covert pivot Thanks man

[alpine scaffold]

Hi guys! Could you please tell me which file is responsible for the loot from the corpses? Found two files: death_generic and death_items. The two of them have a list of things, which one to change?

[misty mulch]

yeah check grok_treasure_manager.ltx

[misty mulch]

Iirc the tiers info is in grok_items_tier.ltx

[simple scaffold]

They work together along with death outfits. Technically inside the death_manager script they are all one file.

Death_items is where a particular type of NPC, like a freedom rookie, is assigned items.

Death generic covers quantities for each item, you probably don't need to mess with that unless you want to make something universally more common.

Death outfits ties an NPCs model to an outfit to decide what outfit they should drop.

You will need a mod_death_generic_thing.ltx to dxml any of death_items, death_generic, and death_outfits

As all three are logically the same file.

[somber herald]

on the topic of files, which files are responsible for trader supplies? it's driving me a little bonkers on my monolith run that the monolith outskirts trader is locked to level 1 supply.

edit: actually I think I found them. i found the outskirts trader npc id (trader_monolith_kbo) and the file trade_monolith.txt that seems to have the pripyat trader's inventory, but i'm not sure how to set the npc to that.

[misty mulch]

it's the various trade_*.ltx presets, putting trade in mo2 file search will find them quite easily

[somber herald]

yeah after looking at those files a bit i have discovered that the outskirts trader is in fact on bandit faction.

[misty mulch]

odd. what's that trader's name? e: nvm you have npc id

cos character_desc_pripyat.xml says his community SHOULD be monolith

[somber herald]

oh HE is on monolith faction sorry. but his supply level is bandit faction i think (trade_monolith_basic.ltx)

buy_supplies = {=actor_goodwill_ge(bandit:2000)} supplies_5, {=heavy_pockets_functor()} supplies_5, {=actor_goodwill_ge(bandit:1500)} supplies_4, {=actor_goodwill_ge(bandit:1000)} supplies_3, {=actor_goodwill_ge(bandit:500)} supplies_2, supplies_1

[misty mulch]

...yeah that's bizarre

apparently that trade_monolith_basic is also used for a monolith vendor located at the bridge to limansk in RF

[somber herald]

and fixed.

thank you veers.

[somber herald]

how do you check that?

[misty mulch]

with the power of my best friend, notepad++ find-in-file

[somber herald]

terrific. it is a very good friend.

[misty mulch]

important settings shittily highlighted. you can change the filter depending on the filetype you want to search, e.g. *.ltx, *.xml and so on. and I frequently point the directory at either unpacked Anomaly files, or the entire GAMMA mod folder

[somber herald]

i'm usually doing the gamma folder.

assume "unpacked anomaly files" is just my anomaly directory?

[drifting moat]

I was reading the how to mod wiki and I was wondering about this too

[covert pivot]

Yes

[misty mulch]

no

[misty mulch]

it's the _unpacked folder you get after you run either db_unpacker.bat or db_unpacker_all.bat in Anomaly/tools

if you don't have it you can't read the actual config files or scripts

since they are packed up in .db0 format

[covert pivot]

i need more sleep to be able to read

[misty mulch]

fyi db_unpacker only unpacks scripts + configs so it creates a pretty small folder, db_unpacker_all unpacks everything including models etc. so doing that more or less doubles the size of your Anomaly folder

[somber herald]

i could not edit a model if my life depended on it so i shall run the small version

[misty mulch]

yeah. i only have it so that i can see if someone with an error "missing model" file is missing a basegame or mod-provided file

[somber herald]

well this is gonna be really helpful with my general "why can't i find the stupid file!!" problem

[misty mulch]

notepad++ find in file paired with MO2 file searcher is very powerful for finding the sources of specific functions, sections and files

[somber herald]

yeah, if you unpack the files

it was driving me batty that there seemed to be a lot of ostensibly undefined stuff that never showed up in my npp searches lol

[covert pivot]

You can add anomaly unpacked content into a folder in gamma/mods as well. Then you can search in one place

As long as its inactive in mo2 it wont affect gamma

[somber herald]

feeling a hot streak coming on. time to take a stab at "- stop giving me mutant kill tasks for zombified stalkers"

[drifting moat]

This was a great source of my frustration yesterday too. Funny that you came today and basically asked everything I was also very curious to know

[somber herald]

asking stupid questions is one of my specialties.

[drifting moat]

These are far from stupid. These are essential stuff

[gritty lichen]

how about noob questions?
prior to 0.9.3 i had a simple mod that modified some stats of the redline jacket, it doesn't seem to work anymore so i'm guessing it's related to the new armor rebalance but i can't find the exact addon that's stopping it from working, any advice?

the only modified file was configs/items/outfits/o_novice.ltx

[drifting moat]

Maybe for you it's just mod order that's wrecking it. Can that be?

[gritty lichen]

it's at the very bottom currently

[somber herald]

okay, i got that fancy task id grabber mod, i'll just see what the mutant kill task is call--

hmm .. maybe it is called that.

we did it team, my zombie friends are safe.

[covert pivot]

[covert pivot]

Theres likely a dltx edit done that might overwrite your changes

You can use the find in files stuff talked about just before and find the other files that change the redline jacket section

Live exercise

[somber herald]

you know what'd be really sad? zombified stalkers giving out fetch quests for a photo of a loved one if you're monolith.

[covert pivot]

p!bar

[tardy vale]

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[misty mulch]

yeah, because you directly edited the file, when you updated it would have undone all your changes. that's why you want to make a DLTX override instead

[misty mulch]

i wrote a very barebones "how to DLTX an outfit" guide here #╙🖇mods-making-discussion message read from this + the next couple messages from me

[somber herald]

(unhinges jaw like a snake) feed me guides

[covert pivot]

Its better to do something, question it and then get help. Theres too many little things and specifics to efficiently cover with generic guides

[somber herald]

i'm looking at tm_dynamic.ltx because I want to add more Retribution/Destroy Enemy Forces/etc type tasks at the same time, but i'm not seeing a task limit parameter. do I just need to like, copy-paste the text of something like simulation_task_34 (Retribution) as a new task?

[misty mulch]

task editing is the deep magic that i refuse to touch

[somber herald]

i touched it. it's too late for me.

[misty mulch]

you're best off doing something like opening up iTheon's new tasks mod and seeing how they did it

[covert pivot]

I would think these tasks are handled so only 1 version of each simulation_task can be active. It would probably be necessary find where tm_dynamic.ltx is used to get info about it

If it makes its way into some scripts then decoding those

[somber herald]

hmm .. don't like the sound of that.

let's see if just duping the task as a new task works before i shelve it for now.

[covert pivot]

But yea, quest modding is probably one where the least amount of people have dabbled in

[lilac idol]

I can literally only think of ashes rn

[somber herald]

... this file says the last revision was on November 03, 2016.

[drifting moat]

Time to turn it to 2025

[covert pivot]

2025 is the year of making zodium create a new main storyline

[somber herald]

[drifting moat]

We count on you. Don't disappoint

[somber herald]

glowing rock help us all should i ever gain a measure of modding competence.

[drifting moat]

I looked at the scripts yesterday. Based off of that success depends on a sea of patience/curiosity and the will to experiment

[somber herald]

the scripts remind me of looking at some incomprehensible perl thing a guy wrote in 1993

not .. super eager to dive into that.

update: yep, you can just clone the task definition and update the on_job_descr and on_job_complete parts to the new id. i get two retribution tasks now.

well, that's three for three. that's probably good for now.

[gritty lichen]

worked, thank you king

[fair granite]

what do "SoundThreshold" on mutant sounds do?

I was searching some way to make some mutant idle sounds more audible at longer distances

[random fulcrum]

you need to edit the audio comments for that

get savandt

[fair granite]

Got it, ty

[drifting moat]

Okay so I cloned the git repo. Set up LUA and VS code. Everything is cool I get syntax highlight, suggestions bla bla. I want to keep this stuff far far away from my GAMMA game. So the question is how do I test stuff I make without risking to lose my save or or corrupt something? I basically want to treat this as a completely different thing from the GAMMA I actually play

[misty mulch]

!custom // No need - you could just make a testing profile in MO2 the same way you make a custom mod profile

[queen pine]

@drifting moat If you want to keep your personal mod list between updates: #╭📖faq message

[misty mulch]

Just make empty mods and put your files and changes in there

[drifting moat]

Thanks. I was looking at MO and figured that's gonna be something like that.

[drifting moat]

Wanted to do this for a long time. For the maintain menu to actually indicate the conditions.

[covert pivot]

nice, could be done same as field strip? I think they are inside parens there

(now add clean/replace all as well )

i think Juan wanted that

[drifting moat]

true

[covert pivot]

that looks nice

Finally no need to go open the details menu, look what part it exactly is you want to repair and forget again once you right click open the menu again

[drifting moat]

Yeah that's what I was thinking on doing next. But first I want to implement this percentage thing a bit differently. The string concat I did is ugly asf.

[drifting moat]

Yeah that was me every time I wanted to maintain my stuff

[covert pivot]

its also nice to do modding this way - no need to make a car immediately, start with a bicycle first - as in just get things moving first. Polish and ironing out the rough edges will take a lot more time - classic 20/80 rule

[drifting moat]

Yeah that's the bane of basically 90% of people trying to do something. Especially in game dev where people have a dream game in mind and they want to make that off the get go. Road to burnout/getting overwhelmed.

[covert pivot]

mhm, having an iterative process gives you that "complete something" dopamine to not get stumped

[drifting moat]

Yeah that's how I always do.

1. Get a solution
2. Iterate
3. Get THE solution

[somber herald]

[somber herald]

yeah, you do 20% of the work to get 80% of the funding and then exit before they make you do the polishing and ironing

[covert pivot]

[misty mulch]

hey how do i find out which weapon ID comes from which bas weapon kit? i know i can guess, most of the time, based on the weapon name. but is there a specific script, file or config where it says, "when you apply this kit to this gun, you get this outcome"?

[random fulcrum]

the original weapon's section name + the kit's secton name

they're scopes

[misty mulch]

okay

[brave jackal]

Quick question again regarding my previous loadout question:

;====
![bandit_veteran_secondary]
wpn_tec9:r:r

In above example what does the exclamation mark do?

[random fulcrum]

it overrides the section

[misty mulch]

tells the engine to overwrite that section

[random fulcrum]

meaning you're adding that line to the section without the need to modify the original one

[brave jackal]

Ah okay! Thanks 🙂

[covert pivot]

https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/addons/dltx.html recommended reading

[random fulcrum]

i'd say required reading

[covert pivot]

we are in gamma discord, reading is hard topic in general

[random fulcrum]

indeed

[brave jackal]

Yup, reading is hard... Scrolled through that section already a couple of times but only now spotted the information that explains the question mark 🤦‍♂️

[covert pivot]

maybe we'll get those improved npc ranks patched in gamma one day

[verbal siren]

So, about this mod: 127- Toggle Scope - Ishmaeel https://github.com/Ishmaeel/toggle-scope
I have zero knowledge of scripting and can understand maybe 5% of the code there. Is it hard to make the scope switch take less time and not play any sounds - just do the holster/unholster animations but faster?

[covert pivot]

to not play sounds comment out play_snd calls in ish_toggle_scope.script

Should be 2 of them

[verbal siren]

Ok, that was easy. What about animation speed?

[covert pivot]

For reducing time make the 3rd parameter of CreateTimeEvent smaller

it adds 1 second delay between the calls there

0 probably works or make it like 0.1 or something

tho im not sure what happens if it starts doing next stuff when animation to lower weapon is still playing i havent messed around with time events

[somber herald]

this might get me to turn the nvg blur on scope back on

[covert pivot]

night time is for proper sleep

[somber herald]

wonder how hard it would be to add nvg upgrades to normal scopes

[somber herald]

my stalker sleeps at night but sometimes he forgets the time

[verbal siren]

This works great when changing scopes in the inventory screen, anims are fast and quiet. But when using the toggle key, the sounds still play and animations are slower.

[covert pivot]

no idea why that might be the case

[verbal siren]

Although I only sped up the attach and detach time events. Maybe inventory uses restore?

[covert pivot]

the script looks to make it so it uses the exact same code in inventory that it does with the toggle key

[verbal siren]

After changing the restore, they are all faster.

But the key toggle still plays a sound

Only this sound: inv_attach_addon

I commented both out like this:
-- xr_effects.play_snd(db.actor, nil, { [1] = "interface\\inv_attach_addon" }) -- xr_effects.play_snd(db.actor, nil, { [1] = "interface\\inv_detach_addon" })

The detach sound doesn't play, the other one still does

[covert pivot]

maybe theres some other script somewhere that affects this. inv_attach_addon is used in other places too

[verbal siren]

Sorry, the one that plays is neither inv_attach_addon or inv_detach_addon

So it's not happening through this script

[covert pivot]

its probably some sound that plays on getting a new gun in inventory or equipping a gun

[verbal siren]

But why is it quiet in the inv screen, and plays only with the keybind?

[covert pivot]

since the guns that have multiple scope will spawn a new gun into your inventory and equips that

not sure

it might be some sound that plays when you pick up an item in the world

[verbal siren]

It's the inv_items_wpn_1 or inv_items_wpn_2

[covert pivot]

those get used in itms_manager.actor_on_item_take

[verbal siren]

Where do I find it?

[covert pivot]

That gets called on actor_on_item_take callback

[covert pivot]

vanilla anomaly file itms_manager.script

[verbal siren]

Any idea how to disable it in this instance?

[covert pivot]

ishmaeels toggle scope script uses the same actor_on_item_take callback aswell, so itms_manager.actor_on_item_take is the likeliest reason for the sound playing

remove
["weapon"] = {"interface\\items\\inv_items_wpn_",1,2},

itll remove the sound from everything tho, when a weapon gets picked up i guess

theres probably some other better way, but I dont know it

[tender pawn]

I may be cooking

[verbal siren]

I can live with it. Thanks for your help. One more thing: how to change the "double tap key" to "long press"?

[covert pivot]

dont know, but i recommend looking at other functionality that use long press if you can find something

[tender pawn]

Ok I think I just nerd-sniped myself in trying to think of how this thing works

My best guess is actually something like a rearranged colt 1911

(which, to be fair, most pistols are)

Or like the mauser, but with a hidden hammer?

the thing that makes me scratch my head is this part of its animation

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9fifGCsvlzzXXbDab8RILb3YnSe_99ot?si=6j_PLo7pxO0aNwAR

Looking at World of Guns Disassembly I think its closest analogue is the walther P38

[soft burrow]

any one got any idea of how to disable all math.ceil calls inside an specific script file?

maybe some smart way of monkeypatching and transforming it into a different rounding function?

I'm talking aobut the math.ceil calls in grok_actor_damage_balancer

grok woke up one day and decided to make damage resistance breakdown impossible

[quasi narwhal]

yes one sec

#╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

fuck i hate mobile search

but you can use setmetatable to make all the math ceil calls of that script return smth else

[soft burrow]

oooh this looks very promising
thank you

[random fulcrum]

||i asked for this unironically||

i think having no decimals at all is a leap in the right direction

also, on a related note, tosox's no log spam minimod patches printf calls from gbo

without editing the main script

[soft burrow]

ye but the thing has layers on top of layers of math.ceil

[random fulcrum]

classic grok

[soft burrow]

feels like whole percentage points are appearing from float values leaning infinitessimally in the positives

[plucky veldt]

Just a really quick question - how would I go about editing armors stats? Ik that there's an armor edit fucntion in debug, but it doesn't work like I expected it to, so I am a bit stumped after looking at the files on MO. I have looked at messsages in the chat but they seem a bit dated, so not sure if anything has changed.

[covert pivot]

#╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[plucky veldt]

Weird problem. I followed the guides provided, and have edited some stats on my preferred armor. Problem is, I edited the stats and now I am not confident the game is truly reflecting it in gameplay.

For example, I edited the Wasteland Stalker Suit to have stats comparable to the Merc "Ace" Scientist suit, and even though the weight of the Wasteland suit is now higher, when I wear it, my max carry weight is showing as less, in the bottom right, even though in the stats window it shows a higher weight total.

Does anyone know why this is? I can show SCs.

this is the suit stats I have changed:

![wastelander_outfit]
power_loss = 0.015
burn_protection = 0.68
shock_protection = 3.1
radiation_protection = 0.04
chemical_burn_protection = 0.31
telepathic_protection = 1.1
strike_protection = 0.76
explosion_protection = 0.54
wound_protection = 0.98
fire_wound_protection = 2.1
burn_immunity = 0.3
shock_immunity = 0.3
radiation_immunity = 0.3
chemical_burn_immunity = 0.5
telepathic_immunity= 0.25
strike_immunity = 0.45
explosion_immunity = 0.5
wound_immunity = 0.24
fire_wound_immunity = 0.23
additional_inventory_weight = 31
; because this line starts with the ";" character, it is a comment, write a note to yourself here

[boreal dust]

Where can i find what settings HardCore AI AIm uses

like what values or whatever

hmm user.ltx maybe..

[plucky veldt]

Also another question, how do you make your ballistic res and BR change on an armor?

[wispy ferry]

ballistic resistance and BR rating are handled by GBOOBS, and I don't remember the exact formatting how to change values for it - via DLTX or otherwise
I suggest prodding around in the code of it to see if there's anything you recognize

[plucky veldt]

Cool, understood Ill look at that. Also, do you know anything regarding the weight discrepancy I showed?

[wispy ferry]

was already typing an answer to that
there's TWO additional inventory weight values in the outfit stats
I don't know if it's necessary to edit both, but doing so has not caused any issues for me thus far, so just have them both in your DLTX
so in your case it would be

additional_inventory_weight2        = 31```

this has worked even when I crank the values up to stupid levels, though the highest I've gone was 99 for a joke

[plucky veldt]

How odd, and does the weight stat in the bottom right reflect your changes in game?

[wispy ferry]

going to grab screenshot evidence of such real quick

[plucky veldt]

Cool, thank you.

[wispy ferry]

outfit edited to +255 carry weight, before and after equipping

also the stats in detail because I was messing about

[plucky veldt]

I assume you followed this guide roughly to do this? #╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[wispy ferry]

basically yeah, though I've done DLTX edits before and wrote a small guide of what I knew back then
I ought update that thing, with additions like comments and some additional stats

[plucky veldt]

So nothing was wrong with my approach, just didn't have that extra line do you think?

[wispy ferry]

pretty much yeah, so try with that addition
also sometimes changes don't get reflected properly in already spawned items, so do spawn a fresh outfit in after making changes and loading in

[plucky veldt]

Oh okay, cheers. I'll report back soon!

[novel ruin]

What exactly cause busy hands? I want to know the technical sides of the infamous busy hands in order avoid it.

[fair inlet]

check watchdog moddb description

[novel ruin]

what? Do you mean the user watchdog on moddb?

[fair inlet]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/watch-dog-script

[novel ruin]

Thanks

[somber herald]

what file controls artifact attributes? i wanted to fix the Volat, but the only reference I can seem to find is in mod_system_grok_artifacts.ltx, and the stats there don't seem to correspond to the ingame stats.

speculating there's a maximum amount of stats an artifact can have and the ones after burn get cut off? maybe?? doesn't explain why burn is 50 rather than 41 though.

[somber herald]

well, i tried changing the stats of Volat in mod_system_grok_artifacts.ltx and nothing happened, but there doesn't seem to be any other references to af_monolith anywhere that look like they define stats.

hmm .. the line ![af_monolith_absorbation]:af_base_absorbation seems to reference a section in another file that at least has the correct burn resist, but commenting it out does nothing.

[wispy ferry]

have you attempted the Z-wars method? so just adding a ton of mod_system_zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz_actualnamehere to make sure nothing overwrites the DLTX?
but yeah, odd

[somber herald]

it seemed like a good, simple learning example

i do not know what the z-wars method is or exactly what you mean however

there does not seem to be any files with names matching mod_system_z*_grok_artifacts.ltx

[wispy ferry]

oh, it's that .ltx files are loaded alphabetically
if you are editing something via DLTX, you want your .ltx to be loaded last so it will be the one to effect that thing
hence the mod_systems_<put a whole lot of Z here and then the actual name>.ltx

[somber herald]

aha

[misty mulch]

if zodium is directly editing the only DLTX file that affects artis, then z stacking is pointless.

[misty mulch]

Run a find in file on the entire GAMMA/mod folder for ![af_monolith] in *.ltx files, see if you missed any other DLTX. Though I suspect that may be the only one.

[somber herald]

i am reasonably confident that is the only match and it has to be something to do with the ![af_monolith_absorbation]:af_base_absorbation line. i'm not sure what the exclamation point means, but it references items_artefacts.ltx, which has the correct burn resist value as well as other elemental resists. but the ingame item only has the burn resist.

[misty mulch]

! = "Tells the engine to overwrite this section"
:af_base_absorbation = "use af_base_absorbation as the parent section"

You know how inheritance and parent/child relations work?

[somber herald]

yeah i got it

[misty mulch]

Ok good, just asking cos I've talked to ppl trying to make DLTX s that don't

[wispy mica]

below in the same file there is a copy of the ![af_monolith_absorbation]

[misty mulch]

I'm on my phone, can you just copy paste the stats you're changing pls

[wispy mica]

2 copies

[teal compass]

there is duplicates of the monolith absorption something below that file

that's why yours don't work

[misty mulch]

Lol

[teal compass]

delete the duplicates absorption line below

[somber herald]

[teal compass]

I guess grok just copy pasta and forget to change the name for those😭

[misty mulch]

Well I know what pr I'm making when I finish getting out of bed

[teal compass]

like here is my edited volat #╟🔰☢newbies-chat message

which is what it is supposed to be I think

[somber herald]

yeah that looks right. i don't see the duplicate entry but i have probably stared myself blind and need a snack.

[teal compass]

oh it's just down below the after monolith but take your time

[somber herald]

okay, stupid question warning. there are three instances of af_monolith_absorbation in mod_system_grok_artifacts.ltx, which is uncontested, and one in items_artefacts.ltx (one file in _unpacked, one file in Perk-Based Artefacts that should override the first).

the first instance is under ![af_monolith]:af_base, which I assume controls the Volat stats, and the other two are under ![af_ah_f1]:af_base and ![af_tlf_prometheus]:af_base, which I assumed were other artifacts. i am not sure where the duplicate is here, since there appears to be only one definition of af_monolith_absorbation in one file. 😔

maybe I could just get you to upload your fixed version so I could see what you did? 🥺 👉👈

[misty mulch]

last one wins

or really "last loaded wins". not sure if the sections are loaded in the order they come in the config, or if it's loaded some other way, it's probably dependent on the script that uses it

[somber herald]

all of the instances in the grok file are of the form ![af_monolith_absorbation]:af_base_absorbation though, which should mean they're all referencing the same one instance in items_artefacts, no?

[misty mulch]

but they have different values, so the last "set" loaded, wins

[somber herald]

[misty mulch]

also, x_immunity is only for "amount of damage the literal item, if dropped on the floor, takes from that damage type"

if you wanted to adjust e.g. burn res, the actual parameter is burn_protection

unless grok's script does a fucky thing and reads off _immunity

but i don't think it did last time i checked

[somber herald]

that is confusing because all of the items use x_immunity, and the value in items_artifacts is burn_immunity = 0.004821, which is the ingame value.

these are the top and lowest references to af_monolith_absorbation in the grok file, and the items_artefacts definition I think they're referencing. i don't understand why calling that definition again after the Volat entry would do anything to the Volat. :[

[misty mulch]

ah okay, yeah, artefact protection is provided by x_immunity

but for outfits, resistance value is x_protection

[misty mulch]

if there's an override there is no need to look at the base file since it's... overwritten and the values aren't used

[some_section]
value_a = 100

![some_section]
value_a = 50

the game will ONLY use value_a = 50 and it completely ignores the original

[somber herald]

wait. i think i realized the stupid thing i'm doing.

[misty mulch]

if there are multiple overrides, last one wins. so edit the last entry like they said.

[somber herald]

yeah i just realized all the top lines have exclamation marks

aaand i ended up back in the items_artefacts.ltx entry. think i just need to see how to do it right.

[misty mulch]

just paste the section you have been editing with your edits

better yet, make your own dltx file instead of editing an existing one

[somber herald]

sorry. i'm just trying to understand why the game does what it does and thought the volat fix would be a good learning example.

like it's not just that i want to fix the volat, i want to understand why it only has Burn Resist in game when the file definition has all 4 resists, if that makes sense.

[random fulcrum]

for artefacts it's immunity in their absorbation section

that's vanilla anomaly behavior too

it's the weirdest thing ever nonetheless but grok is surprisingly not to blame this time

[misty mulch]

why is xray like this

anyway

[cold loom]

Is there a list of all npc weapon loadouts

[covert pivot]

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/tree/main/G.A.M.M.A/modpack_addons/G.A.M.M.A. NPC Loadouts/gamedata/configs/items/settings/npc_loadouts

[covert pivot]

The lowest absorption section you have screenshot looks to match ingame protecion values. It 0s out everything excep negative rad resist and burn resist.

• The caps and weight come from the
  [af_monolith] section on the first screenshot in those 3

Just because the section has defined more _immunity values doesnt mean anything. They need to have values other than 0

[cold loom]

Thanks

[somber herald]

i thought the exclamation mark meant "reference this definition and ignore the below section"

but actually the prometheus artifact referencing af monolith absorbation is overriding the earlier volat instance? is that right?

[covert pivot]

No, it says to "overwrite or add any value i provide here to the section"

[somber herald]

ooh

[covert pivot]

Prometheus artifact does not refernce af monolith absorption

[somber herald]

so basically the opposite of what I thought

[covert pivot]

They are completely different sections. Them being after eachother means nothing

[somber herald]

this is Prometheus

[covert pivot]

No

Only af_tlf_prometheus is prometheus

And probably af_tlf_prometheus_absorbation somewhere else is prometheus immunities

[somber herald]

so even though that section starts with af_tlf_prometheus, it's not Prometheus?

[covert pivot]

There are 2 separate sections there

They have no connection to eachother

[somber herald]

🤯

[covert pivot]

"No empty line" between the lines doesnt mean they connect in any way

[random fulcrum]

the great filter: thorough reading

[somber herald]

difficult to read before you learn the syntax

I get it now I think

the line under Prometheus is the duplicate yuki mentioned and it overwrites the previous definition under Volat

[misty mulch]

whitespace means nothing

blank lines and spaces are conveniences for human readers, that's all

[misty mulch]

but this isn't unique to dltx... this is true of a lot of programming languages

[teal compass]

only the last monolith absorption works, and I could upload my edited version of atrefacts(I buffed t4 artes)

[misty mulch]

which is why the dltx syntax guide, won't mention it. it's considered fundamental

[somber herald]

would be lovely if you could

[teal compass]

when i get back home yeah

[somber herald]

i think I got it though but it's always nice to verify your answer

[teal compass]

yeah I saw that but you can compare it I guess lol

[somber herald]

my computer touching fundamentals are .. not great.

[covert pivot]

No. Every monolith absorption works. Just for every specific value in the section the last section that defines that value sets it. If you dont overwrite a value in a section then the value comes from the base file or previous overwrites of it. But you can have many dltx overwrites change the same section, just different values of it.

[teal compass]

yes I wasn’t expressing well mb but still look for the last override of the value

[somber herald]

okay. now that I understood why gamba did what it did, I made a dltx file mod_system_z_grok_artifacts.ltx that has just the correct ![af_monolith_absorbation]:af_base_absorbation and loaded it as a mod.

thank you @misty mulch @teal compass @covert pivot and apologies for all the stupid questions.

[random fulcrum]

based thanker

mods promote this user on behalf of his good manners

[drifting moat]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-gif-24457083

[ember herald]

Anyone thought of making a quad load reload for the ks23

[drifting moat]

Oh and btw @covert pivot . There is a maintain part show percentage PR already to DEV 2: https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/pull/283/commits/4408d7726f12b9e1ec5921b59abe34c50118b21c

[covert pivot]

4 months old

surely they got looked at some time

[drifting moat]

Yeah surely xdd

Is this considered a monkey patch btw? Since he is not editing the mod's files directly, but rather overwrties them in a way. Or at least I got that impression from looking at code

Is it a nono to submit concrete edits to another modders mod files in a PR?

[covert pivot]

yes thats monkey patching

[drifting moat]

Won't monkey patches just sphagettify the code? I mean this looks hard to follow if there's multiple of them for a mod modifying different parts

[covert pivot]

yes, it becomes a lot harder to track changes

[drifting moat]

I saw a merge with a title "prevent monkey patches" made to the branch that will be released next

So I guess it's not preferred

[covert pivot]

its just compatibility vs readability - eventho monkeypatching doesnt guarantee compatability

if two monkeypatches change different parts of a script that are connected its quite likely the results for both might not be whats expected

[misty mulch]

but it's still better than the other option which is "directly overwrite the entire script file with your own mod"

[misty mulch]

depends on the author's permissions

i have submitted several PRs to gamma github for example. i keep my edits to files/folders that are gamma specific.

[covert pivot]

but then you wont get traps for people disabling gamma economy

[misty mulch]

long may that live

[drifting moat]

Elaborate please

[drifting moat]

What about editing them and then just submitting thd edits without overwriting the name of it. So basically keeping the credit to the original author by all means. Just improving on concepts/code or implementi g new ones based off of the mod. Tho this lats one would be fine in a different mod probably.

[covert pivot]

#🔨base-gamma-support message

gamma economy blanks out loadouts_injector.script which is one monkey patch way to create a way to add guns to loadouts without dltx