#╓☢stalker-chat
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the pistol that is the size of his leg?
mk23 is like almost the size of a deagle
3 centimers short of it
mk23 are BIG weapons
put a supressor on it
tbh mk23 is kinda the pistol you want for the zone, high quality but its insanely overbuilt so its more or less indestructible
Does the ISG upgrade for the ak5 do anything or is it vibes and a laser?
"eliminate dangerous mutants"
what i expected: 3 burers
what i got: 2 dogs
Duty likes to talk about protecting you from dangerous mutants but like all they do is shoot dogs in rostok and die in AW
Ive gotten an albino pseudogiant spawn on the the road to rostock tho

Duty propaganda
had two spawn in zaton last night, introduced them to mr ks23
does anybody have an alternative link for atmospherics? google isn't allowing me
Ironically open on my browser alrady
does anyone else have some weird delay with ks23 before it shoots
like you left click and it just has this half a second where it refuses to shoot
it's really pissing me off
pog more glue
Any duty enjoyers this patch? Do you like it, with so many opposing factions?
lol my companion saying "think meta bro thats what loki told me"
i dont know if its one of the mods i added or if gamma changed it but the geiger counter sound is so much more accurate now
Love it
i actually hear it going crazy when im taking alot of rads
its quite terrifying hearing the deafening clicking as im in the middle of an anomaly field
which command was it that would "re-render" the map so u could see some of the changes you did ?
i hate cats more than any other enemy oh my god they just sneak up on me and the tiny ones do the same damage as the big ones oohhh my god i hate them
the version here is from 2025 🙁 I have it already
if you take a lost signal quest in the same map you are currently in, does it not spawn the corpses until you leave the map and come back
i took a lost signal in truck cemetery and literally ran around every spawn point and got nothing
yea its programmed to spawn in the corpses away from your entry point so that make sense
i got the spawn stutter when i accepted it so i thought it might've spawned them already
I once spent 30m in dark valley looking for corpses that were in darkscape tbh
KEK
that sounds so sad
think i'm gonna repair up the redline i found in a stash
and use that for lost signals from now on
Simulation for Meadow is fixed and turned on with the help of a new all.spawn freshly compiled in SDK.
Squads travel back/forth/through on both sides (to Cordon and Dark Valley) without problem.
#gamingvideos #pcgaming #survival #stalker #anomaly #mod #gscgameworld #meadow #sdk
Nerfed
nerfed
It’s like 118 or something now
you can get a merc tactical suit thats close to a redline
its 112
nah i'm gonna change it back in the file i think
so like actually not even good
Even worse
how can i reduce envirornment sounds? the slider in the options doesnt work
redline being 130 is too iconic
this loner just gave me an eye artifact for 5 renegade patches what the heck?
where do u guys put ur base
rostok/aw then yanov/science bunker
rostok next to the tech, then yanov next to the tech lol
Lazy option is Rostok if im friendly with duty, merc base if not
I refuse to base out of AW because freedom sleep on the floor like animals
anyone?
is disabling miracle machine required for disabling brain scorcher?
probably a stupid question but might aswell ask
no thanks brother, i ain't ever taking shit in the truck cemetery again
Think so
can relations drop into "enemy" territory with a faction when doing tasks for opposed factions? Like for example relation to clear sky when farming missions in rostok? Or is there a limit as to how bad relations can go that way?
good combo?
sfx volume in sounds works for me
you can reduce it and increase gunfire sounds
it reduces emissions as well
Just equip Kolobok after a fight or something to heal, I don't keep it equipped normally. I need me stamina
what's aw
it doesnt, i slided it to 0 when the emission was happening and it was unchanged
if you're looking for something that reduces only emissions you're out of luck there
gotta go fast
Average yanov station tower experience
love chimera pelt for that
hp regen + stamina regen + carry weight
and big numbers too
One of the only pelts I haven't gotten yet 
why not a lurker or chimmy pelt instead
i got it with a old knife, so only 67% quality
the electric res is basically useless
still decent
it's a waste of a slot imo
wish we could like, fuse pelts
yeah
is it tho? like, removes some of the rng that's it
i could drop a 98% now
just need to find chimeras xD
No drawbacks = should be hard through the quality gambling
Why tf did an ecologist shoot at me on sight, i am clear sky and positive rep with them?
jesus
he's not locked there for HIS safety haha
you see how he put his hip and back into that too
are you wearing a suit with a patch on?
thats hostile to ecos
bro was rocking that renegade drip
nah just cs suit
what's the meta for ammo farming?
any good ammo to buy and scrap or it's just a big loss?
Buy all the HP rounds from butcher and turn them into parts
he even had a quest for me to complete
do the HP ammo scrap for parts that are used for HP / other calibres?
its like ~20k for all the 5.45/5.56 HP ammo and you get like ~250 rounds of whatever
He didn't feel like paying you
like 5.56ap or 7.62 normal/ap
motherfricker
They turn into parts you can make for FMJ small caliber rifle so 5.56/5.45 or 9x39
Also 7.62x39 fmj
once i finally get expert kit gonna build 2 weapons, but they use 7.62 and 7.64
but my wallet gonna cry
0.02mm difference is just a rounding error, slam that bad boy in
tbh the fastest way for rifles is to just throw money at the problem
buy off the stock of all the traders you go to
though if you're playing a non ecologist faction you should have plenty of scrap from loot
like my 5.56 gun practically has infinite ammo with gunsmithing tools
haven't bought a single round all game
I'm unisig, carnage for life
had to buy quite a lot of 5.56 tho
the monolith bridge quests is a ammo hog
30 monos x.x
and i like to do it xD
imma start using the merc idle lines (that are just the normal stalker english VAs) irl
gonna tell some one there a real glib talker
my first run into X19. Wish me luck stalkers
@lethal patrol could i yoink your setting for faction simbol position?
the thingy popping on top of theyr head it's clean
I have name and rank disabled
well shit...
after using 556 so much ngl i did not like this round idk if its the ammo or the ak 104 alpha i didnt like
Isn’t the alpha recoil still bugged lol
does anyone know where to buy AP slugs as Duty?
its bugged????
dude i was wondering with upgrades why this shit was going to the moon while aiming the scope

the trader?
if you read #🔨base-gamma-support too much you get actual brain damage
is it like customer levels of bad
Dude, I wouldn't be asking if any trader i met had it.
Saw a video of someone tap firing it and the thing would literally flip straight up for a second before resetting
So yeah I think it’s a little bit bugged lol
What level is the trader?
idk about the customers you are working with, but i would quit my job if i would need to handle that on a daily basis as my job
If you mean if my reputation is maxed out, it is. 🙂
!ammo
@sick yoke
Explaining why X type of ammo isn't good anymore for stalkers and why you can't kill them + some extra details: #╭📖faq message
In case you're looking for trader lists and calibers they sell on different supply levels: #╭📖faq message
goodwill
yeah no this ak104 alpha is kicking a ton compared to my isg
If they dont stock it then you gotta craft it because I dont think NATO traders would sell it but WP dont
you could try butcher but i think they only sell buck
Yes, Goodwill.. So, anyone? I've went to all Duty, Loner, Ecologist and Military traders. No one sells AP slugs..
Anyone know of any MMG mods, like MK48(308 win), FN MAG, basically 308 mgs?
Then they probably dont sell them and you have to make them
Ok, just seems strange. Tnx
craft your own bullets stalker
Hm
im looking at my duty trader and hes selling it
The Colonel one?
hm
Apparently no one sells ap slugs ever
yes
Well, F me sideways, my doesn't :))
post a pic of their inv
oh you meant 12x ap slug my mistake
mistook it for 4 gauge slug
yeah no they dont show up just the normal slugs
Ok, tnx
Idk do you have any extra mods
Probably western goods then since it interacts with traders
hes talking about war not nato
traders
Are you talking to me?
ignore what i said
Skinflint is PACT but looking at the chart bandits explisitly get AP slugs and the other PACT ones dont
It's kinda hard to ignore someone acting like an ass yet being clearly wrong. But fine... You should chill a bit..
well someone seems to not have been introduced to this community have they?
everyone is an ass
but we still help or try to
unlike these EFP idiots...
remember to treat people like you want to be treated!
like monolith
which usually is nice unless youre a masocist
But since you’re playing duty (I think) basically you can’t get it
Ngl it’s a strange distribution
Why are the bandits the only ones that get the shotgun ammo designed for beating armor but no one other wp faction lol
uhh
Not even monolith for some reason
have you seen how much they use sawed off shotties?
other factions have weapons made past 1965
probably to make bandits have some earlier game AP ammo
that is a good speculation
weird, remington 870 has an INSTANT aim animation
i would post a bug report but its modded gamma
any way to unlock drug runner boxes?
I guarantee theres some russian making a mod that revamps all the level geometry to have more polygons
updates exist for me to disable audio mods again
I completely forgot that CS is now enemies with Duty. I took a guide mission for these two CS guys to Rostok we get there and as soon as I release em Duty just executes them instantly lmao
The blue ones? There isn't
I am not sure why CS is friends with freedome tbh as well
i need confirmation, since i missclicked with my mouse while moving around stuff on my desk, i think i dragged some stuff around as a mistake, so can you guys please confirm this is how it should be?
being enemies with both freedom and duty would be so rough though
not even at technicians?
sad, the quest giver died
Just drop it
why cant i activate it
have you activated all the levers prior
Good time to mine/ied the stairs
always fun to press the button and the burer just Explodes
i do have a proxy scatterable mine
noice
can i trigger it aswell?
yes
or one of my companions
put it on the stairs on the right
the one that go up
he's gonna spawn and proc it instantly, it's safe
(no clue about companions)
after playing ||stalker 2|| it's nice to see that high tier mutants are vulnerable to a few well placed HP shots
is there time before it activates?
like burers and controllers
the MM? I think just loud blaring alarms. Mines? I don't know
Sounds good
that place scares me for HC runs
tbh it's mostly because of Radar rather than the place itself
spoopy place
whatever you r comfy with
does anyone else feel like grenades are too bouncy when thrown?
how can i remove the radiation noise effect
anyone know why there arent any mutants in survival mode? havent ran into even one mutant yet
Is there a base past base scorcher that sells 5.56 for loners?
sure, theres definitely ashot at yaniv
if you arent enemies with freedom that is
I'm not
Survival mode is bugged probably
yea, probably. or i mightve messed it up with the settings
real shame
the mode is actually really fun
grenade launcher for BS yay or nay, AKA how likely am I to blow myself up
There's a freedom gunsmith and trader there?
like an underbarrel gl?
ye
loner gunsmith and freedom trader
why not? it helps sometimes
That's good
What about pripyat. What's in there
I just don't want to accidentally kms
nothing in pripyat, but in outskirts theres a merc trader and gunsmith (i think), and a loner trader and gunsmith
just dont shoot directly infront of yourself
Is it possible to become friendly/neutral with mercs as a loner?
the mercs at outskirts are neutral by default
My friend is trying that and I think he's not going to make it possible
Oh
I'm not too familiar with explosives, I shot at a red barrel from a mile away and it still hurt so I'm traumatized lol
you can go to their base, take quests and eventually become neutarl with mercs
idk about m203, havent used it yet, but the gp-25 with the vogs isn't that bad
you'd have to deliberately shoot up close to hurt yourself
Can you do such thing with military?
maybe if you get a disguise
but i dont think there are any neutral military
i dont know much about that
yes you can do that, when you go deliver the quests make sure that you're standing behind them so that they don't figure out your disguise
I remember partially hiding behind the desk of the merchant in agroprom military base so I could browse his goods without being found out lol
I forget whether or not you can get quests from the taskboard you might have to go talk to people directly which is sketch
you will have to to deliver them anyway
if you spend a lot of time disguised you get an achievement that makes the disguises more effective
WHERE'S YOUR WHERE'S YOUR
WHERE'S YOUR HEAD AT
What Lapua does to a mf
lmao there was like 20 mercs in AW
I will never not use anything above 40% waste not want not
the last guy was an exo with an rpg too
damn can you actually gib enemies head or did it bug
and he appeared from the east lol
anyone know which mod has laser settings bound to P?
Wait how is durability calculated for artifacts that require 2 to craft 1?
some gibbin would be sweet tbh
Anyone else looking to rebind the mod is "Laser Settings" Which I shouldve quite frankly seen lmfao
um...what's the keybind for the UBGL lol
left alt
I'm on the hunt for chimera hearts
Is this everything you need for the heart of oasis
avg duty fridge
the two artifacts on the right yeah
you need bloodsucker hearts and chimera hearts
what kinda maniac stores their gasoline and charcoal in the fridge??
it should obviously be in the stove
so you're suggesting I'm on an old version
I think I got the first idk about the latter
don't think he's updated since he added that to the to-do
What's a good artifact to go along with heart of oasis? And are those monitors or what ever that u can craft (ballistic plates etc) good?
ballistic plates are awesome
rest are situational
though to complete the balance you need volat emerald
there's one that gives all round anomaly protection too, sort of like a baby volat emerald
oh yeah and upgraded titanium frame, always make it
yeah there's been way more up north for me
and one just walked in and slimed out a random merc
and then got gunnned down by like 12 guys
Mercenary giving me a nightstar for 10 loner patches 
cool guns and not a single fucking NATO gas system between them
Anyway suggestions on cozy/safe base spots up north
about to take these fuckers to BS and have them jam at bad times
WHERE are the gas systems
the offices at the factory can be cool but no merchants
what is this hud
looks way too good to be on the anomaly engine
My best rng was gunsmith tools for 20 mono patches lol
brotha, same
always gamble
pripyat outskirts, in strelok's hideout
theres a big apartment with a couple empty rooms and rooftop access
you can really cozy up there
it's also completely safe
My game so far: mono exo from barrier defense.
Exo helm and G36 from a duty expert.
Two advanced tools
But only one regular tool so far 🤪
depends on faction, zanton has the loner base in the middle no?
also merc and loner both have pripyat base there
unisig has a yanov one but it's underground so fk that
Oh and two Skat 9s in 10% cond lol
Exohelmet is the best helmet right? And can u repair it with the armour tape?
best helmet is the m-10 spartan
I think theres one better. Yeah that lol
why is this a stash
suspicious floorboard
if you mean the round one no, the heavy class has apocalipse which is better imo
Do you have a oven above it?
way more br
I picked it up and it vanished into the void
How to get the M10 Spartan?
Black market and a ton of $$$ (maybe) or hope you get blessed by RNG
you know how ammo crates are for stashing ammo
raid bases like monolith ones
and cures for blindness
except they can't stash grenade and it's triggering
yeah i tried crafting them once and never did it again because of that
Barrier defense.
"Look out, one has an RPG"
Two mono masters and one legend with RPG 
better loot tho
What faction is it
any
probably any
also i'm in pripyat without disabling BS, guess not needed
bit rusty with quest sequences
found a loner in garbage wearing it
also got it from a zaton renegade in a .4 run
so i think it's actually any
if you see someone wearing it kill their ass
painter of the zone mod
custom hud made by @rigid stream
spart you thought that russian bulpups have weird carry handles yea?
why body cooler
are you able to download it?
just got jumped by FOUR CONTROLLERS in zaton with no place to hide, so there goes my invictus, this fucking game...
fingerless gloves and hair poking out of clean suit
was weird playing soc and actually seeing peoples eyes when they were masked
can't use artefacts, challenge run
Thanks so much this hud really looks amazing!
not compatible with BHS, obviously
controllers are roaming broad daylight now, hope that wakes you up
any chimera spawns in outskirts besides hospital?
...this is just my normal playthrough
except i dont play duty but yea
chimera hunter challenge
yes i know cause it was broad daylight the thing is they stunlocked me between them four so i couldn't even shoot AND THEY SAW ME +200M AWAY!
i barely use drugs, not even cigs or vodka (outisde of cooking)
dont care about snipers or optics
dont use pistols
always use shotguns
oh and dont care about artifacts
just got expert tools again and these are the stats 🥳
vodka is a cooking/medicine ingredient
I’ve slept a lot, plus I’m clear sky
this is mine and it doesn't even count all the neutral/friendly stalkers i killed by using them as mutant meat shields
also if a random hostile stalker shows up i wait for all friendlies to die before i start shooting at him
more loot that way
bro is a loot goblin
why does my game crash when i click on my taskboard??
How many companions can you have without special quests/ escorts
nobody has given a solution to people with my problem and no o ne helps me 😭
Anyway like
nobody answers on the support channel and it aint the first time i asked there 😭
imma start losing it
💔
i'd help you if i knew what it was but i never encountered the issue
i jus click on taskboard and i see this
you can only use META guns 
Oh lord no not that 
try disabling this, I had the same issue
if this works i will kiss you
load up the kiparis
it's huntin' time
anyone ever meet renegades in jupiter underground before?
the only stalkers I've seen down there are scripted ones
not renegades but i have met random stalkers there
loners/freedom
near the end
you sometimes find random stalkers taking a stroll inside the sarcophagus as well
I WILL KISS YOU

Yah the custom taskboard is kinda shite tbh
Looks like Grok is adding a different one in next build
I occasionally run into sin down there
What are some good russian ammo guns at D tier except cmmg mk47
thank you
thank you
groza storm, pkm zenit, ak-105 shakal, ak-74u tactician
ak-74 venom
amb-17, sr-3m
No shotguns.
No mutant pelts or non-artifact attachments.
No high BR armor.
No full auto.
Must always have a pistol and use it whenever appropriate.
Must primarily use large caliber precision rifles
*No rapid-firing ones.
Must use AP rounds against stalkers and HP against mutants whenever possible.
(Maybe?) Can use rifles and smgs but only very lightweight/short ones OR ones with 20rnd mag or less
Idk
Something like that
Id add 'no mutant meals' to this
not D but if you're not a CASUAL kiparis is all you need
I'm playing on hard/survivalist
I don't want to experience fighting 3 military dudes with 9mm again
so am I lol
I did this fight with the kiparis
will say it was funny the one merc eating 20 rounds to the head
PP-19 worked wonders for me on hard so I can imagine the Kiparis being even better
having 1000rpm is nice
It was, I think the PP-19 reaches about the same RPM with upgrades and the kit
Sadly no 50 round magazine though
Like I remember going to truck cemetery
There was a military guy who would peek from behind a car and 2 shot me with an as val
mind I do have high end armor but imo kipari is very good
Instant death
I carry rsh solely for vibes lol
on the hunt for my the last chimera need and saving my pk's ammo for the final push to end the main quest
kiparis honestly a very good even late game anti mutant gun
technically stuff like shakal/tactician can out pace it
Mam the ak Alfa seems to suck on the database
I keep thinking that this time I will give more thought to using NATO and western guns
And then I end up running around with something like the Groza and SVD again
Also any benefit if accuracy goes past 100%
Isn't it just a tacticool ak-104?
no
boolet turns into homing missile
think of that arrow at the end of Robin Hood: Men in Tights
Okay so 130 accuracy very good
AK-12 be like:
AK-12 is sovlful
Me with my G36 RMR 
I kinda hate ecos wearing blue cause I'm always like eco or merc just by looking at them
what modpack has legit all tarkov weapons ? i lowkey want sig spear and shit
Same
I'd love if ecos wearing yellow/orange/bright green outfits
So you could immediately understand who the fuck is before you
I remember a time fighting mercs in WT coming up the stairs at the construction site and saw a guy in blue with a m40 looking gasmask and I layed him out only to see pda chirping at me he was eco lol
FWP has a few tarkov guns im pretty sure
Happened to me too, but on Agroprom in most cases 😄
I'm cursed rn running from area to area looking for chimeras
the ones that I know are kinda guaranteed I've run out of(hospital in outskirts, and the one in jupiter underground)
check army warehouses near dead city transition
man getting ambushed by 5 lurkers 3 pseudodogs and 6 blind dogs the second i step into garbage Sure Is Fun
i love having to cheese encounters
i really frequently have a chimera somewhere in army warehouses
sw or ne of the village, north of the merc camp, by the crashed helicopter
evidently the meaning of the word 'restraint' was lost with this update
first time playing i absolutely sniped an eco thinking it was a merc
beastmode
is there a way to allocate more ram to stalker
time to take my MP5SD6 for a walk
When you go for BS, are there still extra monolith on the way out? Or just going in
there are
oh, on the way out? only on the location, where they usually spawn
they did never spawned again in the BS after turning it off
you mean outside the lab right?
he probably means on the way back
Both I suppose, but I did mean inside
there is no shortcut to exit BS, you get by the same route, noone spawns there
top 4 smgs
you can find some on the way back in the lab, if you got past them without killing them
it has happened
I remember it being a thing, maybe in an older version
nah, they don't respawn
if you find monos on the way back it means you got past them
Alright thank you
Why is howa D tier it's not that good
Just heard this on the rostok bar, instantly sent me back 10 years when i was still plaing coc
I have, until now, SEVERELY underestimated the ball artifact
five ball artifacts make big game so much more economic
Is there like a percentage that enemy's exoskeleton will drop not as a part but as an outfit?
I just want to know the chance
Is it possible to deactivate "reticle" (black circle while moving in aim) in scopes? Kinda hate this "realism"
And no, i don want 2D scopes for now
H m m fun
how do you turn off the night vision on binos?
does bhsro have a fracture status
m
thanks
game looking good
do i need to disable both emitters to go north or just raid the radar?
mm for radar and bs for the rest
damn, that VAL looks crispy af
thanks
is it normal that mono stalkers are so quiet? I can barely hear them approach
God damn, just got a green barrelled ACE off a clear sky corpse less than an hour into my run. The zone is smiling on me today
can someone please tell me how to remove placeable campfires? Theres another guy @radiant surge who asked like a ton of times and still no response from what I can see. It seems extremely odd to me that there wouldn't be at least a disclaimer pasted onto the tooltip for the firewood that you cant remove it once placed or something. I placed it in my base, I would really badly like to move it.
Видео сделал - товарищ Pullum, большое ему спасибо!
Зона становится всё ближе.
Этот релиз ANOMALY VR - большой шаг именно в сторону полноценного VR-геймплея, а не просто «STALKER с камерой в шлеме».
Главн...
Does it come with a free diaper for when a chimera jumpscares me halfway through a ten minute run?
PEAK?
is it safe to go into radar before you've turned off the miracle machine?
i've never bothered going in before that.
I'm not sure how far you can go but you have to do MM first to do BS
I figure not far at all though
from what i remember your brain would melt before mm
Idk what it is this run. Found the exo book on my first legendary stalker that was roaming AW, now this.
To be fair, the first 6 yellow stashes i found were med tools. On previous runs I've never seen this.
Oh...
dude found kevin hart!
bLEW HIS SHIT SMOOVE OFF
so what was changed with the merc ace ? as i found one quite earlyish tbh.
motherfuckers gonna find me exhausted trying to fight a giant
haptic feedback
the POTENTIAL
i can finally know what it's like to get sucked by a bloodsucker
for science guys.
for science
Where is my steam frame valve. I have things I need to play now
man I forgot how loud the antennas are at BS
I'd go insane even without the psy waves
FUCK YEAH! Found sin exo
Anyone else notice that the one crafting guide is bugged? It says it unlocks the "large metal container" craft but when I look in the workshop it still tells me I don't know the recipe
Survival guide vol 2 specifically
the main negative is br class I guess but I think I can just add more artifacts and attachments to icrease it to the fairly good amount
Its in hideout decorations
I figured it out. vol2 just SAYS it unlocks the recipe but it actually doesn't. Vol 1 does
oh another thing, is br class is just a number and ap is another number so when you are shot its just subtractions BR-AP?
there are two metal containers, one is the large one and one is the normal one, they're unlocked by two different manuals
-_-
use blue one in hideout furniture menu, it has 400 kg
here's the two
but yes the blue one can hold more than these even though it's like a third of the size
blue one's are more space efficient tbh
ye I just went for looks
Slowly remembering why I always pick up as much as metal scrap as I do
also for guns you can use shelfs
ok, I am using almost all of my single brain neuron to understand the formula of damage calculation with BR class and it fucking hurts (yes I forgor it already in a year)
im having kinda of a problem,i have the code for this door and it wont open,its the X18 lab i already killed the pseudogiant and i got the code 9524
yes
there is a poltergeist that is dark you can shoot it
Maybe quicksave and load?
that might fix it
gonna try this

i'm seeing more renegades in exo than any other action what the heck
Bruh it did work lol
❤️🩹
tks chad! 
oh I get it, there is two numbers, one is [br class] < [damage percent reduction] if it triggered
all this suffering down this lab just to go back to agroprom bruh
ayo
lol
barretto
kind of ironic since the gun nickname is literally "SAW"
mmm, the slapper
Wonder if Lapua 1 shots even with shit barrel
if anyone can share your build with me for 7 belt slots I would genuinely appreciate it
i like how crows shit their pants before emissions but they're utterly indifferent to psy storms
these freedomers thought they could take on the entire duty base 😂 🤟
day 1 isg run and i get this as soon as i get to dead city lmfao
anyone can tell me what changed with the merc ace from early 9.0 ?


