It is deeply satisfying hurling a grenade into a swarm of monolith and just seeing twelve markers pop up on the minimap
#╓☢stalker-chat
hearty spruce
remote tide
oh yeah i have a vague memory of that
wild hatch
Limansk is underrated because the combat has so much variety even tho it’s all urban
Long medium short range.
remote tide
hm
monolith off in the distance
but then where are the sin
river parcel
the streets in limansk are neat but I could do without the uh. one way walls and save bugs and out of bounds access and stashes in weird physics positions that have a chance to throw you into the sky
remote tide
ah
alongside the monolith
wild hatch
the streets in limansk are neat but I could do without the uh. one way walls and...
One shouldn’t linger in Limansk treat it like an extraction shooter level
remote tide
lmao i domed a couple of em and they ran off to fight something else
hearty spruce
the streets in limansk are neat but I could do without the uh. one way walls and...
I got out of bounds in Radar, I made it to where the terrain cut off it was funny
river parcel
anomalous map design
analog palm
1.5
little light
is that default? or did you change it
hearty spruce
I have mine set to 2 because I like more fights
little light
fuck
hearty spruce
1.5 is default iirc
little light
mine is at 0.7
remote tide
they're out there somewhere
little light
idk why
remote tide
ahhhhhhh they're fighting a psysucker it looks like
hearty spruce
mine is at 0.7
Covid zone spawns
wild hatch
Nah what you want is variable slider not the base
little light
i was wondering why theres barely any kill quests
little light
Nah what you want is variable slider not the base
squad size variance?
remote tide
ahhhhhhh they're fighting a psysucker it looks like
could be a bloodsucker?
but i think its a psysucker
river parcel
I'll check mine in a minute I haven't changed anything
little light
i think this is good then
wild hatch
squad size variance?
Yeah that one
little light
hopefully ill get more than 1 kill quests every fucking day
reef lagoon
Yo
remote tide
i was right, it was a psysucker
river parcel
is that default? or did you change it
river parcel
there's plenty of kill tasks in my game for reference, they were probably like 50-60% of all the tasks I did
remote tide
off to pripyat
little light
guess im trying these
fallen hemlock
Gentlemen, im now a big boy
little light
im tempted to make a new game too
remote tide
well
that was certainly
ok this is
gonna be fun
in addition to that there are 3 pseudodogs
river parcel
foreshadowing
river parcel
it was fate
remote tide
ok the
pseudodogs have
vanished
thats worrying
river parcel
not real
remote tide
ohhhhh they're outside killing someone else
little light
guess im making a new save
twin timber
Time to swap the peashooter for an automatic peashooter
river parcel
guess im making a new save
tbh I think the biggest things I've noticed since 0.9.5 is squads sitting around in way more places, and squads showing up to your gunfights from much farther away
remote tide
well
here we are
river parcel
you'll see groups near anomaly fields and at campfires they didn't used to wait at, you'll have full squads showing up to your fight while it's still winding down, stalkers show up in places you normally didn't see them and from factions you'd normally never even see on that map
dusk vessel
well thats new for me
frank beacon
StalkerSouls
night forge
i get busy hands error when traveling from dead city to yantar from the southwest transition
any idea why?
river parcel
haunted
little light
i get busy hands error when traveling from dead city to yantar from the southwes...
whats the error
river parcel
is it LUA 146?
left charm
just click continue, theres a fix on the way
remote tide
its eerily quiet
night forge
some lua shit
little light
sim_squad or smth?
night forge
doesnt even give me enough time to see
river parcel
if it's LUA 146 you can ignore it
night forge
sadly cant
little light
night forge
remote tide
i heard an exo moving around but i dont hear it anymore
night forge
this is what it looks like when i spawn
river parcel
if you press esc does it unpause
river parcel
lol
night forge
just keep playing?
lone yew
if you have a full keyboard press the pause key at the end of your "F" keys?
left charm
time to play base anomaly
river parcel
you normally can't in that exact way, it's mostly used by the tutorial messages
night forge
how do i teleport companions?
river parcel
should be a keybind if you enabled that mod right?
I haven't used it so idk what it is by default
night forge
fellas spawned in the tunnel under the brain scorcher
or wish granter forgot the name of the one in yantar running unisg rn
left charm
for the lucky few who have 0.9.5 useful idiots still works ?
night forge
bout to murder some of these mfs for the fit lol
what does yalls gamma look like? currently running hunter 2.0 reshade
jolly venture
night forge
whats fuji' isg teleport?
river parcel
ramifications of the KS-23's immense violence
left charm
woah, that was faast
night forge
or gammas companion rework?
little light
we need to burn realistic graphics
fallen atlas
And this, is why we don't have the "npc's die in anomalies" setting enabled 
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yxE5ks-W4s4
mfs just walked into it
remote tide
hm
maybe ive got all of em?
.... dont think so
river parcel
pkp do it all for you, pkp make you happy
analog palm
when pkp right here
because i want MORE
river parcel
okay tbh I could see an M60 being pretty fucking gas
river parcel
I saw this one earlier in the database but, I haven't seen it in-game myself so
no promises
remote tide
I saw this one earlier in the database but, I haven't seen it in-game myself so
where are these images from?
in game?
if yes whats that UI
i like it
astral estuary
where are these images from?
in game?
if yes whats that UI
i like it
Cheeki breeki database mod
astral estuary
it's from the website
That too
sick yoke
Lol does less damage than the other 7.62x51 guns
analog palm
I saw this one earlier in the database but, I haven't seen it in-game myself so
it's very cool but somewhat wrong
it should be 800rpm
yea
sick yoke
But yeah sure removing the damage stat from the gun stat card was super necessary
dusk vessel
modified the files myself to fix that
astral estuary
But yeah sure removing the damage stat from the gun stat card was super necessar...
Its very necessary
Trust me
remote tide
ok now that ive (seemingly) cleared the palace of culture
now to find that yellow stash
sick yoke
Entire reason why 0.9.5 exists is to remove the damage stat from the card fr
astral estuary
But yeah sure removing the damage stat from the gun stat card was super necessar...
Its so you dont delude yourself into thinking more damage = better weapon overall
sick yoke
I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or serious
twin timber
Entire reason why 0.9.5 exists is to remove the damage stat from the card fr
Me adding it back with accurate stats
solar chasm
it is annoying those aren't properly standardised...
sick yoke
Your first message seemed sarcastic but the second one sounds serious
river parcel
yo the fuck is that there at the end
astral estuary
I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or serious
twin timber
yo the fuck is that there at the end
Loot pinatas basically
astral estuary
yo the fuck is that there at the end
Woods and mason are here
sick yoke
But yeah like removing the stat would only ever make sense if grok actually took the time to standardize all the damages
hollow wadi
yo the fuck is that there at the end
Scripted lads
sick yoke
But he quite clearly hasn’t done that lol
dusk vessel
shouldnt take much time tbh
like an hour at best
its literally just a value in an ltx
a baby could do it
near estuary
I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or serious
I'd be serious, as it's objectively correct
no more "GUYS GUYS DID YOU KNOW THAT THE SABOTEUR IS TOTALLY OP BECAUSE LE 600 DMAAGE??????????"
hushed pier
Hey what was that mod called so I can check
river parcel
you need to deal 600 damage so that the rookie bandit in a jacket knows his place
near estuary
the rookie bandit deflects it with his steel helmet
hushed pier
For footsteps exo
remote tide
aha
hushed pier
the rookie bandit deflects it with his steel helmet
Bandit armored jacket on top
sick yoke
I'd be serious, as it's objectively correct
no more "GUYS GUYS DID YOU KNOW THAT...
I mean, they can still say this because damage stats are still written on the bullet
ripe lagoon
Hey what was that mod called so I can check
servo sounds something
it's enabled, just give it priority above my mods
near estuary
I mean, they can still say this because damage stats are still written on the bu...
know what else is written on there?
pen value
night forge
what are you guys population and mutant settings set at?
ripe lagoon
what are you guys population and mutant settings set at?
stalker size squad at 0.9, don't like seeing 1 guy squads
night forge
well i kept my values what is default?
sick yoke
My issue with it is that there’s very clearly outliers for certain guns that do more/less damage that simply isn’t shown at all anymore
hushed pier
Remember when bandit armored jacket dropped finetuning armored upgrade
Those were the days
sick yoke
Case in point the hk21 having 20% less damage than any other x51 gun
Because idk, grok
night forge
what is the default?
ripe lagoon
well i kept my values what is default?
!zcp
dawn martenBOT
Default values for ZCP in GAMMA 0.9.5:
- Respawn Time: 6 Hours
- Mutant Population: 0.5
- Stalker Population: 0.5
- Stalker Squad Size: 0.55
- Stalker Squad Variance: 0.1
- Mutant Squad Size: 0.55
- Mutant Squad Variance: 0.15
night forge
i have my size to .75 and my stalker variance to .3 how different is that
near estuary
My issue with it is that there’s very clearly outliers for certain guns that do ...
- those guns are like what, 1% of all of the guns in GAMMA?
- even if the value was still there, 99,9999999999999% don't have the knowledge to interpret anything from the damage stat, hell, more people talked about the removal of the stat than actually discussing what the stat did
astral estuary
1) those guns are like what, 1% of all of the guns in GAMMA?
2) even if the valu...
Gun go pew pew
Only thing you need to remember
near estuary
Gun go pew pew
that's literally what most people do
cuz why the fuck would you do calculations in your head
rain nova
1) those guns are like what, 1% of all of the guns in GAMMA?
2) even if the valu...
I still don't know what the stat did I just used the ammo numbers
it's ballpark correct, probably
near estuary
I still don't know what the stat did I just used the ammo numbers
gun damage * default ammo damage *0,5 or something like that
which is why the Saboteur had 600 damage
near estuary
because default ammo is HP
rain nova
gun damage * default ammo damage *0,5 or something like that
that's certainly a way to model barrel length
sick yoke
Also multiplied by pellet count which matters for nothing except shotguns
near estuary
that's certainly a *way* to model barrel length
nothing to do with barrel length
sick yoke
Oh it has nothing to do with barrel length
The 0.6 multi is only there because of how anomaly’s stat bars functioned lol
astral estuary
that's certainly a *way* to model barrel length
This is not tarkov, its a cheap copy of tarkov with artefacts and mutants
sick yoke
It’s entirely visual and doesn’t actually affect your damage at all
rain nova
nothing to do with barrel length
the logical reason for the guns to hurt more or less is the length of the barrel, I didn't think the stat was based off of it
why wasn't it just a percentage anyway
like
near estuary
wdym
astral estuary
the logical reason for the guns to hurt more or less is the length of the barrel...
Gamma is not that complex man
rain nova
oh for fuck's sake discord
near estuary
X% feels easier to balance conceptually than 64x32x0.5
percetange of what exactly
rain nova
Gamma is not that complex man
I'm aware
river parcel
the korth (now the kimber) just deals extra damage because it's built that way, don't worry about it
rain nova
percetange of what exactly
like- half of gun damage * ammo damage ends up being some percentage of the original ammo damage value
astral estuary
the korth (now the kimber) just deals extra damage because it's built that way, ...
Fr
rain nova
let's say it's 125%
near estuary
like- half of gun damage * ammo damage ends up being some percentage of the orig...
you want the flesh modifiers or something?
astral estuary
let's say it's 125%
If its percentages, how would people know what the base damage of it is?
sick yoke
Anyway just because only like 20 of the 300 billion guns in gamma have nonstandard damage values doesn’t mean we should just go “welp just ignore them” imo
rain nova
If its percentages, how would people know what the base damage of it is?
the ammo still retains its damage number
the gun just has a percentage multiplier instead of having a separate damage stat
river parcel
I wonder if the random AK's that dealt like 1% extra damage still do that
near estuary
Anyway just because only like 20 of the 300 billion guns in gamma have nonstanda...
that's all we can really do until grok actually equalizes everything
sick yoke
The damage number should’ve stayed until everything got standardized
After that I don’t really care if it gets removed or not
astral estuary
the gun just has a percentage multiplier instead of having a separate damage sta...
Majority of gamma players are teens with no intention of going into the game "thinking" about how much damage a weapon does
near estuary
the gun just has a percentage multiplier instead of having a separate damage sta...
I don't see how that would be easier to interpret at all
analog palm
Case in point the hk21 having 20% less damage than any other x51 gun
on one, sneaky changes are eh
on other hand, it lets me magdump more
so idk
dusk vessel
the korth (now the kimber) just deals extra damage because it's built that way, ...
rifling ratio matters
river parcel
I forget, does the BRN-180 also just deal less damage than other 7.62 guns
dusk vessel
but its not gonna magically make a bullet do that much more damage
river parcel
it hardly matters, the gun's great, but it was funny to find out
dusk vessel
I forget, does the BRN-180 also just deal less damage than other 7.62 guns
5.56 base damage
astral estuary
I forget, does the BRN-180 also just deal less damage than other 7.62 guns
7.62x39 does a bit less damage than 7.62x51
sick yoke
I assume he believes that the ammo does the damage or something
river parcel
7.62x39 does a bit less damage than 7.62x51
yeah it just does a bit less than other x39 guns
dusk vessel
its base damage of the gun x the ammo damage multiplier
sick yoke
I forget, does the BRN-180 also just deal less damage than other 7.62 guns
Assuming grok still hasn’t fixed it it’s like 8 less damage lol
dusk vessel
not complicated
astral estuary
Assuming grok still hasn’t fixed it it’s like 8 less damage lol
Pen of x39 isnt that far off of x51 so it isnt that big of a deal
Wait
rain nova
I don't see how that would be easier to interpret at all
which seems simpler to you:
Gun Damage Multiplier * Ammo Damage Stat
or
Gun Damage Stat * Ammo Damage Stat / 2
river parcel
the brn is probably a decent example because it's a gun that's just good regardless of the fact that it's lower damage for the caliber, it would just be nice to know that going into it lol
rain nova
it's just more obvious what it does and requires less steps
near estuary
which seems simpler to you:
Gun Damage Multiplier * Ammo Damage Stat
or
Gun Dama...
both seem shitty and unnecessary to me
sick yoke
They’re the same thing
astral estuary
it's just more obvious what it does and requires less steps
If you really think its a good idea, jusy type it in suggestions
rain nova
both seem shitty and unnecessary to me
how else would the guns do different damage than others of the same ammo type?
unless you just don't want that
sick yoke
Like I said, the 0.6 multi is just visual and carried over from how anomaly’s stat bars work
rain nova
which fair ig
near estuary
unless you just don't want that
well, as it is now, 99% of guns do the same damage within the same ammo type
thick sedge
sick yoke
It’ll be in both equations regardless
rain nova
If you really think its a good idea, jusy type it in suggestions
I like ideas guying but I don't like actually asking people to make said ideas
I just like yapping
river parcel
by shotguns do you mean every ballistic weapon in the game or just the actual shotguns
dusk vessel
well, as it is now, 99% of guns do the same damage within the same ammo type
a lot of 7.62 have varying base damages
goes from 55 to 58
and everything inbetween
astral estuary
I just like yapping
Then you are making your yap pointless, if its just to talk, and not try to improve the modpack in some way, which would be nice
rain nova
Then you are making your yap pointless, if its just to talk, and not try to impr...
not everything needs a purpose
sick yoke
Wait it’s 53?
river parcel
I feel no remorse for the BRN, that thing is a powerhouse
dusk vessel
Wait it’s 53?
thats what i remember
could be wrong
i checked the ltx some time ago
valid silo
by shotguns do you mean every ballistic weapon in the game or just the actual sh...
The actual ones
dusk vessel
better to double check
sick yoke
Oh right we have the website
valid silo
The chaser does nothing to even dogs I swear
river parcel
cosmetic buckshot
astral estuary
Shoot a bit below the crosshair, bullets go up
astral estuary
The chaser does nothing to even dogs I swear
Dw, u just need to be 1 meter away
valid silo
It is kinda funny switching from fast firing ak74 to tunder
dusk vessel
ha i remembered right
idk why the fuck i remember that
but i do
i also remember drum rpd having 58
the 100 round drum one
astral estuary
It is kinda funny switching from fast firing ak74 to tunder
Tunder is better in every way
valid silo
Trying to get the scoped asval before making the push north
astral estuary
Trying to get the scoped asval before making the push north
There aint a scoped one, its a vss vintorez with a scope
valid silo
There aint a scoped one, its a vss vintorez with a scope
There is one but it's via a duty quest
sick yoke
Every other 7.62x39 has 0.6 or 60
analog palm
There aint a scoped one, its a vss vintorez with a scope
vss and as val are the same gun
valid silo
Not entirely
analog palm
they are
except for stock, which is interchangeable
they use same parts, same mags, same ammo, same everything
river parcel
nah because one gets 10 round boxes and the other gets 20's we all know this
analog palm
valid silo
Cursing you to only 9a91 from now on
river parcel
cursing you to the VSS Rostok Arena
valid silo
jokes on you i like 9a91
I like the DMR one not the normal one though
river parcel
the lower rpm 9x39 and 7.62x39 guns could probably be C
astral estuary
vss and as val are the same gun
Bruh
analog palm
river parcel
Like let's be honest, we have the SKS Molot at B
the worse guns in those categories would be fine lower
analog palm
reminder that there are no automatic large caliber guns below D tier
even shitty ones like svd and svu
or some scrappy fal idk
river parcel
I'm kinda indifferent on the semi-auto DMRs being D, it gives bolt actions a place in the progression to have a purpose
wheat veldt
what would give me bullet resistance between a meat chunk and a kevlar plate?
river parcel
well the one on the left is 10% all the time
and the one on the right is 5% some of the time
river parcel
No
valid silo
Depends on if you have a counter bleed artifact
dusk vessel
what would give me bullet resistance between a meat chunk and a kevlar plate?
use both
valid silo
If you do chunk, if not plate
dusk vessel
chunk is better for sure
river parcel
Most FMJ bullets will have somewhere in the realm of 30 pen
dusk vessel
but youre gonna need to watch that bleeding
whenever youre in combat
because it can go to hemorrhaging quick
wheat veldt
Hmmmn
dusk vessel
if you can use both
wheat veldt
I didn't understand the BR formulae so i figured Id ask the experts
valid silo
+1 is nothing
wheat veldt
okay me use this
dusk vessel
mitigation means when the bullet didnt go through, you take 5% less damage
valid silo
When your talking 30-60
hollow wadi
okay me use this
Expert opinion: Shoot until dead, don't get shot
dusk vessel
br resistance is a 10% flat damage reduction
no matter if it went through or not
its more complicated than that but thats the gist of it
dusk vessel
Expert opinion: Shoot until dead, don't get shot
always
spend more time playing the game and less looking at stats
more fun
hybrid citrus
anyone uses nvidia smooth motion with gamma who can send their profile inspector settings? i can't get it to work
wheat veldt
br resistance is a 10% flat damage reduction
okie dokie! ty ty
dusk vessel
anyone uses nvidia smooth motion with gamma who can send their profile inspector...
another person falling for ai slop...
river parcel
what in the old tarkov logic
bro's wearing an armored rig over his body armor
they're gonna shoot a bullet at you and it's going to fly back
dusk vessel
lore accurate mc
near estuary
another person falling for ai slop...
as if most addons nowadays aren't ai slop
river parcel
I do find the extremely low effort BR setups we can have now pretty funny to use
~88.5% damage reduction if the bullet is 12.7x55 AP or smaller
near estuary
astral estuary
even shitty ones like svd and svu
How are svd and svu shitty
near estuary
low rpm
astral estuary
Accuracy beats your skill issue
river parcel
they're usable, they're just slightly better than bolt actions
then you get the SVDS with 400RPM and it's cracked
near estuary
Accuracy beats your skill issue
who's gonna tell bro that an SR-25 is pretty much just as accurate, but also gets double the mag size and zero recoil full auto
dusk vessel
the low rpm is dumb anyway
it can fire as fast as it will cycle
but limited to 62 or some shit in game
river parcel
stalker's hands are slow to react in the presence of the SVD
valid silo
who's gonna tell bro that an SR-25 is pretty much just as accurate, but also get...
But no funny AP so svd Uber alles
near estuary
but limited to 62 or some shit in game
might as well have a bolt action
dusk vessel
might as well have a bolt action
p sure you can get a bolt action to a higher rpm using upgrades
than 62
was it mk1?
near estuary
yeah but then the anim looks jank
astral estuary
who's gonna tell bro that an SR-25 is pretty much just as accurate, but also get...
In terms of availability, the svd and svu are obtainable from the start, due to the sheer volume of stalker that use them, green barrel drop chance is very high.
dusk vessel
yeah but then the anim looks jank
of course
astral estuary
Very good sniper from the get go
river flame
Is there a reason why mutants and enemy stalkers consistently ignore your companions and zip for you instantly instead every time?
dusk vessel
the idea that you can be faster to pull back a bolt and fourth again faster than pulling a trigger
thats gamma for you
river parcel
the hard part is ironically getting the bolt for the SVD's
analog palm
762x54 fmj does not oneshot to head against medium armor, your accuracy means shit
they have artifically low RPM (SVD especially), leftover from CoP days, enemy can recover from headshot stagger by the time you can shoot again
dusk vessel
you can use them red parts as long as the barrel is green
near estuary
In terms of availability, the svd and svu are obtainable from the start, due to ...
so basically, the only way the stock SVD/SVU is viable is if you bypass the D kit requirement with a green barrel
you made my point, honestly
astral estuary
so basically, the only way the stock SVD/SVU is viable is if you bypass the D ki...
Its not d, its c
astral estuary
Its c
dusk vessel
its d
river parcel
they're still D in default config
near estuary
astral estuary
Currently its c
analog palm
grok made a big deal out of it being C
astral estuary
Your game is not updated
analog palm
and made it D
astral estuary
Damn
analog palm
it's literally 9.5
dusk vessel
my game is 9.5
analog palm
fucking
dusk vessel
its D
analog palm
god i hate greynames
dusk vessel
brainlet holy shit
near estuary
Your game is not updated
probably the other way around
near estuary
basically
near estuary
cuz Grok still aggressively misunderstands his own ballistic system
and genuinely thinks that single shot high damage guns are OP
river parcel
7N14 saves the entire caliber tbh
astral estuary
and genuinely thinks that single shot high damage guns are OP
They are though
dusk vessel
the way pen works its better to spam a lot of low pen rounds
dusk vessel
still slow but now no longer a bolt action pace
i use a mk2 mauser knowing that its not the best way, because its fun
river parcel
use SVDS, load 7N14 or AP depending on target, achieve enlightenment with every unsuppressed gunshot
astral estuary
Is the mk23 socom and official loadout option for merc, cuz the gun just disappeared all of a sudden when i reupdated
radiant fog
cuz Grok still aggressively misunderstands his own ballistic system
he doesnt missunderstand it, he just has his own balance philosophy like everyone else in this chat
radiant fog
nothing stops you from editing the file
near estuary
that gun would just be, outclassed by svd if it was C
and?
we already have multiple cases like that
armsel protecta completely outclasses double barrels, yet they're both B kit
radiant fog
open svd.ltx files and just change rifle class from rifle_7 to rifle_5
now they are c tier
you're welcome
near estuary
thx
dusk vessel
and?
we already have multiple cases like that
armsel protecta completely outclas...
yeah true
dusk vessel
open svd.ltx files and just change rifle class from rifle_7 to rifle_5
i knew about this
what people argue about is what the official build should be
analog palm
also keep in mind that shotgun slugs are like 10x cheaper than 762AP and can oneshot most enemies, high tier ones too, to body, stunlock nosorogs, and 2-3 tap sin
and accurate enough to shoot across radar even from raptr
svd and svu and all the bolt actions are completely outclasses by those
radiant fog
argue? so its not a civil discussion? sign me up
near estuary
dusk vessel
argue? so its not a civil discussion? sign me up
now were talking
analog palm
sab try not bring up slugs challenge: impossible
river parcel
I kinda just don't get why their rate of fires have to be different even after being changed to exist in the same class of repair kit
analog palm
seriously raptr with slugs is silly
dusk vessel
we know
river parcel
seriously raptr with slugs is silly
analog palm
oneshots most enemies
full auto with low recoil
20 rounds with quick reload
super cheap ammo
accurate enough
dusk vessel
if i only used the meta guns id have stopped playing months ago
the fun is to use guns that arent that good
analog palm
there arent that many not-so-good guns that dont feel like shit to use imo
analog palm
i prefer m1014 anyway
river parcel
I do like the M1014
dusk vessel
i use bolt actions and pistols
river parcel
it's kinda like a better but less cool SPAS-12
dusk vessel
knowing either arent good to use
pallid mountain
pistols are fun, you just gotta find the right one (sr1m)
dusk vessel
being optimal is the death of fun
analog palm
pistols are fun, you just gotta find the right one (sr1m)
sr1 is epic yeah
radiant fog
i use bolt actions and pistols
same. cuz they are fun. they still do their job quite well. people overblow the whole min maxing ,even tho i quite often min max myself
river parcel
the PB's new upgrade kit combined with the improved damage of 9x18 HP is actually really fun
dusk vessel
same. cuz they are fun. they still do their job quite well. people overblow the ...
you get it
pallid mountain
of course i did my kiparis only game before 9x18 was buffed and before the cool kit
river parcel
9x18 fan before it was cool
river parcel
I still can't believe the MP5SD6 is an A kit
radiant fog
most smgs and pistols are
dusk vessel
some smg are C tier because they fire 9x21/5.7
radiant fog
its Kit tier has no real correlation to much
pallid mountain
A tier doesn't mean bad
radiant fog
1k rpm?
river parcel
reaches 1040 yeah
analog palm
dusk vessel
its like 800 default
analog palm
i dont like ump
dusk vessel
around there
radiant fog
its 800 by default
river parcel
which you can do with basic tools now btw
radiant fog
how does it reach 1040 with upgrades. what
river parcel
yeah it's fucking sick
dusk vessel
i was an mp5sd enjoyer before the update
dusk vessel
ROF upgrades is not multiplicative
its not consistent
sometimes they are
sometimes they arent
depends on the tree
radiant fog
then i have to look into that cuz the trees was reworked
river parcel
iirc it's 1040rpm with like ~160 recoil control
radiant fog
just checked
river parcel
doesn't move when you shoot it and fires almost as fast as the vector but in 9mm
with a 40
and a laser
dusk vessel
what i said was pre 9.5
about multiplicative and addition
if its fixed that would be good
upgrade tree overhaul was long overdue
radiant fog
pre 0.9.5 i dont recall it even being multiplicative, it was probably just +40% on its trees which is just +40
radiant fog
hm. gotta look into that then
river parcel
according to the database it's +40 +40 +40 +40 +80
river parcel
yeah
dusk vessel
pre 9,5 it was def multiplicative
radiant fog
according to the database it's +40 +40 +40 +40 +80
ye so mp5sd tree might have been stayed the same then
dusk vessel
u sure?
radiant fog
i gotta still double check so it wasnt overlooked
river parcel
I mean I have it in-game rn
analog palm
Mp5sd being 40 rounder is stupid 
dusk vessel
it isnt
wheat veldt
They do that?
analog palm
Same for pp2000 being 45
dusk vessel
keep your mouth shut
radiant fog
i mean glock hornet is also a 40 rounder and was heavily buffed with massively reduced ads recoil animation
i cant see people complaining 
river parcel
I love the hornet
analog palm
I don't care about performance
dusk vessel
analog palm
Wrong mag sizes just bug me to no end
radiant fog
ye. the tree has remained the same since 0.9.4 and is multiplicative on the mp5sd. afaik it should be saying the actual RPM it gives
such as +40% if its actually 40
analog palm
5% of 800 is 40
dusk vessel
ye. the tree has remained the same since 0.9.4 and is multiplicative on the mp5s...
i thought i was going crazy ngl
dusk vessel
5% of 800 is 40 <:clueless:1031200942722387978>
what matters is stacking
5% of 840
isnt 880
radiant fog
!whatthegundoin most guns say +RPM flat. it even lists that in
dawn martenBOT
@radiant fog read this: #╭📖faq message
river parcel
it just says "+5%" and then adds 40, and "+10%" and adds 80
dusk vessel
hm
radiant fog
all their upgrades says +5% tho
radiant fog
so that wouldnt make sense if it adds +40 +40 +40 +40 +80
wheat veldt
family guy death pose
analog palm
so that wouldnt make sense if it adds +40 +40 +40 +40 +80
Unless it applies to base firerate
And not upgraded rate
Idk
pallid mountain
all the upgrades together add 240 rpm
river parcel
it was flat as I upgraded it over time I'm pretty sure
river parcel
should be T3 4 from the top that adds 80
dusk vessel
if it was multiplicative it wouldve said 882
wheat veldt
carrying a magnum and shotgun rifle makes me feel like I'm overcompensating for something
dusk vessel
and if its taking the base fire rate then it isnt multiplicative either
its just additional with extra steps
river parcel
I think whoever wrote it just felt like +5% and +10% looked better than +40 and +80
radiant fog
seems like they werent bothered to change the weapon upgrade tree descriptions
dusk vessel
920 on the 3rd so yeah
radiant fog
so they will be changed in the future to be consistent
i could do it aswell and make a PR ig
dusk vessel
hits 1040 rpm
maxed out
what a bullet hose with next to no recoil
havent even added the kit
radiant fog
the mp5k kit makes it only be able to use fmj
dusk vessel
thats what i wouldve used either way
radiant fog
but it goes into pistol slot
river parcel
kit makes it FMJ only? that's fucked up, worst of both worlds
pallid mountain
such a weird restriction
river parcel
I assume the 9x18 swap reduces reliability like it does on most other guns
dusk vessel
not like it matters
reliability is parts degradation
as long as you keep it clean
river parcel
eh, doesn't reliability effect jam chance now too
radiant fog
eh, doesn't reliability effect jam chance now too
reliability upgrades reduces innate jam chance
base reliablity from conversions doesnt
it just makes parts degrade faster
dusk vessel
thats what i had assumed also
river parcel
jam chance is so weird
half steeple
where can i go to adjust the amount of ammo npcs drop? im blind lol
radiant fog
the only gun types reliability upgrades doesnt seem to reduce innate jam chance for is shotguns, but i havent looked at that in a while. might have been adressed
river parcel
I wonder if swapping the caliber lets you use special ammo again
or if it's just
9x18 fmj
radiant fog
it most likely will
dusk vessel
im not talking about the k
radiant fog
if it was overlooked
dusk vessel
im talking about the mp5sd
river parcel
MP5SD6 in the pistol slot and my life is yours, grok
opaque vortex
hi, how large is the new update?
river parcel
yeah, I'm attached to the MK23 though
opaque vortex
iirc it was supposed to be reduced through removing unused old mods or something but I haven't seen any info about it and from what I understand you cannot install it atm
river parcel
I think slightly larger but I don't remember the filesize of 0.9.4
dawn mauve
iirc it was supposed to be reduced through removing unused old mods or something...
They added a few new mods, removed a few old unused ones. Nothin crazy.
You can also manually go in and remove the disabled mods to decrease the file size which is what I do
opaque vortex
noted
river parcel
opaque vortex
I mean I still need to get them for the download lmfao
opaque vortex
oh it's like 10gb fatter damn
dawn mauve
Must have been some bigass mods.
river parcel
that could be incredible if it does
river parcel
aw
dusk vessel
just 9x18 fmj
i guess whoever coded it made it so, no matter what calibre, its fmj only
9x18 is still better than 9x19 on fmj
so the swap is still worth it
tacit depot
in that screenshot at the bottom barely in vieuw is that.. up upgraded krip?
radiant fog
they are pretty much the same in kill count for fmj
river parcel
reminder you can fit an entire stock P90 in your pistol slot but not a kiparis or an MP9
dawn mauve
oh it's like 10gb fatter damn
Don't worry,there is over 100 mods that are either disabled and present, or redundant and can be removed. That will probably save a good amount of space.
river parcel
that is an upgraded kiparis and it's sick as fuck
radiant fog
reminder you can fit an entire stock P90 in your pistol slot but not a kiparis o...
you can fit whatever just edit weapon ltx and change one handed = 0 to a 1
opaque vortex
Don't worry,there is over 100 mods that are either disabled and present, or redu...
yea but I don't have the space to download the whole thing lmfao
opaque vortex
gotta remove buncha stuff
radiant fog
people act as if gamma official changes is a deal breaker.
dawn mauve
yea but I don't have the space to download the whole thing lmfao
How many gb are you short? You could uninstall a steam game or something, chop the gamma file size, and then reinstall it.
pallid mountain
i don't really understand the restriction of not having an smg that can fire mutant rounds in the knife slot but eh if it really mattered to me i would have changed it for myself
river parcel
you can fit whatever just edit weapon ltx and change one handed = 0 to a 1
I would, but until the MK23 is removed it will occupy my pistol slot for eternity
dusk vessel
mp5k also gets 1040 rpm maxed out
opaque vortex
How many gb are you short? You could uninstall a steam game or something, chop t...
I'll probs free up enough just removing some skyrim mods I don't use, all the games I got installed rn are modded so reinstalling them would be a pain
dusk vessel
same as mp5sd
radiant fog
I would, but until the MK23 is removed it will occupy my pistol slot for eternit...
whats your gimp and 3dss version? it got a sick new model with latest updates
dusk vessel
the camera shake on mp5sd is insane
ive never seen this much camera shake on a gun
the recoil is very low
but it jumps your screen everywhere
dawn mauve
I'll probs free up enough just removing some skyrim mods I don't use, all the ga...
Yeah I tend to limit my modding to small stuff for exactly that reason. My biggest mod count excluding gamma is for minecraft and its only 316.
radiant fog
the visual recoil. alot of times its grok_bo_enhanced recoil scripts doing that visual shake for alot of guns
cuz grok tries to balance it or something idk.
dusk vessel
i know the concept
opaque vortex
Yeah I tend to limit my modding to small stuff for exactly that reason. My bigge...
:)
dusk vessel
115 recoil stat, which that stat is kinda bad
radiant fog
oh damn. i guess update your gimp and 3dss when the new launcher becomes available
river parcel
oh shit does it look even better?
little light
hi blob
dusk vessel
it has no muzzle rise
little light
dusk vessel
virtually
dusk vessel
a positive is that it stays stable on long bursts
dawn mauve
it's mainly retextures
You needed 1200 mods to retexture skyrim
dusk vessel
when some guns jump all over the place if you hold it down for more than 10 rounds
dusk vessel
this one can empty its mag before it jumps weirdly
lethal steeple
numbers on the mp5sd aren't that high but it's the fact that it uses the fastest camera anim that makes it feel uncomfortable since the shake is like 3 frames long
river parcel
oh damn. i guess update your gimp and 3dss when the new launcher becomes availab...
I was already enamored by the markings in the skybox reflections while waiting for psystorms and emissions to pass, you're telling me it's been IMPROVED?
opaque vortex
I believe currently skyrim takes up like 190gb for me
dawn mauve
every gear type is like a separate 4gb texture pack
Why are you retexturing every gear type?? Just retexture the ones you specifically want to use
analog palm
Everyone should use https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1258234075819544768
dawn mauve
I believe currently skyrim takes up like 190gb for me
Fuck
opaque vortex
Why are you retexturing every gear type?? Just retexture the ones you specifical...
cuz it's used on enemies
quick tangle
For the first time in years I can enjoy my starting gear with full T3 upgrades. Veeery long awaited change, by me.
also, nice accuracy on MTs-255. Sometimes I wish this gun had more than just reflext sights.
dawn mauve
cuz it's used on enemies
F i r e b a l l.
opaque vortex
should be easy to clear up some space though
besides afaik u cannot install the update rn anyway so
dusk vessel
maxed out
dawn mauve
Regardless 200gb is insane thats COD levels
analog palm
For the first time in years I can enjoy my starting gear with full T3 upgrades. ...
Irons are better
radiant fog
what bothers me with mts255 atm is the issue with 3db
quick tangle
Irons are better
nevah.
radiant fog
flings shot off to the far left when firing it quickly
opaque vortex
Regardless 200gb is insane thats COD levels
no that's like half a terabyte per monthly rerelease
river parcel
https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1306026800480256010/150317064864...
Oh shit yeah I installed on the 9th
one day off lol
little light
oh yea, was there like a more smoother time transition on the new update or smth?
opaque vortex
anyway have fun ya'll ima wait till the modpack is downloadable again and try it out once it is
radiant fog
oh yea, was there like a more smoother time transition on the new update or smth...
as in?
little light
idk, the transitions between time looks smoother?
or was it weather
dawn mauve
no that's like half a terabyte per monthly rerelease
Monthly? With how much AI shit they plug in there I wouldn't be surprised if its bi-weekly at this point. Its all the same fucking game anyway lol. Just sold again for another 70
radiant fog
its probably weather, thats one of the things demonized had as part of an engine update
quick tangle
I believe currently skyrim takes up like 190gb for me
rookie numbers. (speaking of 400gb Nolvus modpack)
radiant fog
not sure about time tho. probably that aswell
little light
oh its in the engine?
dusk vessel
numbers on the mp5sd aren't that high but it's the fact that it uses the fastest...
man...
little light
dusk vessel
why does my favourite gun have to be treated this way(
dawn mauve
rookie numbers. (speaking of 400gb Nolvus modpack)
Insanity
radiant fog
ye. can read the patch notes in the thread. for it
quick tangle
Insanity
things like that are the sole reason I invested into 4tb nvme, when those were still reasonably cheap
opaque vortex
rookie numbers. (speaking of 400gb Nolvus modpack)
ion use skyrim modpacks they never update their mods but as someone mentioned not the chat for the topic
lethal steeple
why does my favourite gun have to be treated this way(
easily like 98% of gamma's guns use the fastest camera anim for enhanced recoil
river parcel
https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1306026800480256010/150317064864...
Oh yeah right, I forgot since the support channel was closed down, SR-25 with UH-1 Magnifier crashing to desktop when switching to 1x is probably known at this point right?
dawn mauve
why does my favourite gun have to be treated this way(
With enough bullets all problems go away. And based on that video you DEFINITELY have enough bullets.
lethal steeple
only bolt actions use the regular speed ones
dusk vessel
With enough bullets all problems go away. And based on that video you DEFINITELY...
im in debug testing stuff
its not my actual run
dusk vessel
only bolt actions use the regular speed ones
weird
radiant fog
Oh yeah right, I forgot since the support channel was closed down, SR-25 with UH...
let me check
quick tangle
ion use skyrim modpacks they never update their mods but as someone mentioned no...
here's a chat for topic then - Anomaly + Gamma is 156gb, not far off. Though I dont know if I have downloads folder deleted or not, moved it today to my laptop.
little light
fuck
dawn mauve
The redundant ones too
Theres like 40 mods listed with a gray lightning bolt as redundant. I always get rid of them. (Seriously why are there like 5 versions of the SAME mod all present and enabled? Same name and everything)
radiant fog
Oh yeah right, I forgot since the support channel was closed down, SR-25 with UH...
doesnt seem like it. i will report it
river parcel
doesnt seem like it. i will report it
Aight neat. I kinda felt dumb when I found it because the UH-1 itself isn't compatible with the gun but the UH-1 Mag is
dusk vessel
you could cut the download and install size a lot by removing unused mods
river parcel
UH-1 Magnified works, you switch it to 1x, crash
radiant fog
UH-1 Magnified works, you switch it to 1x, crash
ye
dawn mauve
Oh yeah, found a consistent CTD if you hold the interact key on the yellow flood light used in decoration. So... beware of that. Furniture is unstable
radiant fog
just seems like an IK bone crash, so i reported it to ATHI
river parcel
the magnifiers working (mostly) after all this time is such a cool addition
radiant fog
we will be getting adaptable lasers in the future, where you can add and remove them from weapons
hopefuly it will work well
river parcel
that's fucking sick
dusk vessel
lasers seem kind of bad to me
reef lagoon
Is the ecolog shotgun useful in some way? I saw it once in shotguns while having fun in debug
dawn mauve
lasers seem kind of bad to me
Y
radiant fog
lasers seem kind of bad to me
they are not the best, but quite accurate with 3db
dusk vessel
so not actually pointing where your bullets go
dawn mauve
so not actually pointing where your bullets go
Yeah they are?
radiant fog
bruh
dusk vessel
it moves around it
radiant fog
3db is enabled by default
that means bullet comes out of the barrel, not your characters eyes
analog palm
nevah.
Jokes aside the biggest thing I don't like about the raptor are the irons.
I really don't like any red dots
radiant fog
0.9.5 has 3db by default so now lasers are accurate for its system
reef lagoon
The raptr has fire irons
analog palm
Not really
dusk vessel
sorry that doesent seem to be working as intented then
dawn mauve
that means bullet comes out of the barrel, not your characters eyes
Good lol. I was about to ask how a game this focused on cool, realistic gameplay wouldn't make the bullet come out of the BARREL of the gun.
radiant fog
it is working as intended. your barrel movies with recoil and so does your laser and so does your bullet hits
radiant fog
Good lol. I was about to ask how a game this focused on cool, realistic gameplay...
its not focused on cool realistic gameplay. thats a sham
river parcel
What's all the extent of the adaptable lasers (hopefully), will you be able to throw them on anything that supports it? Will there be different colored lasers like we get on some different guns?
sounds incredible
dusk vessel
it is working as intended. your barrel movies with recoil and so does your laser...
not on every gun.
dawn mauve
its not focused on cool realistic gameplay. thats a sham
Realistic enough
analog palm
Would be working as intended if 3d balls didn't disable itself randomly
radiant fog
not on every gun.
then make sure to list them so we can look at them. some guns wasnt hooked up properly to 3db
celest lodge
how do mags work with weapon caliber changes? I'm wondering if I will still be able to use the 20rounders for sks after 7.62x54 upgrade
dawn mauve
Would be working as intended if 3d balls didn't disable itself randomly
I hate when my balls suddenly stop being 3d
river parcel
how do mags work with weapon caliber changes? I'm wondering if I will still be a...
mags have a retool option that changes their function
reef lagoon
how do mags work with weapon caliber changes? I'm wondering if I will still be a...
There are custom mags i think for that
river parcel
if the mags retool into what you want, then you have them
you can retool over and over again for no cost, you can just check
celest lodge
o - where's that option?
celest lodge
tyty
dawn mauve
o - where's that option?
The same way you interact with every item in your inventory
celest lodge
bit shocked when i noticed sks has the option for that, it's basically an svd then
reef lagoon
I hate when my balls suddenly stop being 3d
Same
dawn mauve
o - where's that option?
When in doubt: right click it.
radiant fog
bit shocked when i noticed sks has the option for that, it's basically an svd th...
no
you nerf the gun by converting the sks into x54
damage modifiers is still a thing
dusk vessel
7.64x54 into an sks is a damage nerf
because as an ammo type, 7.62x54 has less damage
multiplier
celest lodge
huh
radiant fog
celest lodge
alright fair, I didn't check that
analog palm
Also is way more expensive
dusk vessel
all good
analog palm
If that matters
celest lodge
seemed logical it'd be more damage
so it's a "less damage more pen" tradeoff, or just straight downgrade on sks
radiant fog
ye. however idk if sks is even supposed to have those conversions still
analog palm
Gamma isn't very strong on logic
river parcel
I don't remember seeing the sks conversions when I looked over one of them early in my playthrough
but I could have just missed it
dawn mauve
Gamma isn't very strong on logic <:tomfoolery:1049995447277719582>
Did you pick up on that before or after seeing this happen 15 feet away from you
celest lodge
molot variant definitely has them, checked yesterday
bit of a letdown though, oh well
river parcel
gun's still great anyways
celest lodge
true true, but I should look around for an upgrade regardless
vssk seems cool but i have a feeling that 420ms muzzle velocity doesnt work well with long range shots
dawn mauve
true true, but I should look around for an upgrade regardless
Kill a bunch of enemy stalkers with headtaps and steal their shit
river parcel
it's fine, don't worry about it
so long as they're not sprinting side to side you'll not really notice it
celest lodge
Kill a bunch of enemy stalkers with headtaps and steal their shit
precisely the plan : D
dawn mauve
You either get a gun with a good barrel, or enough shit to sell so that you can make enough money to do it again.
Rinse and repeat until good gun with 75+ barrel durability
celest lodge
it's either vssk or aek for anti-stalker, leaning towards vssk cause i hate going around with no long range option
river parcel
it's just 60+ barrel and use a cleaning kit for guns you can't repair
dawn mauve
it's either vssk or aek for anti-stalker, leaning towards vssk cause i hate goin...
Secret long range option: rsh 12 with the longest scope you have.
celest lodge
+1, idk why id look for 75
celest lodge
Secret long range option: rsh 12 with the longest scope you have.
will do, just gotta find it
dawn mauve
it's just 60+ barrel and use a cleaning kit for guns you can't repair
I aim for 75 because I don't keep cleaning kits on me and I like to test run weapons
river parcel
idk the RSH feels like it misses a lot with an optic
feels great to use with red dots but sniping is weird with it
the VSSK's accuracy is slightly low for a bolt action but 93% is definitely good enough, basically anything over 80 is fine to have a scope
dusk vessel
huh guess that squad doesent work
river parcel
hey look you get to DM grok now lol
dusk vessel
nah
i spawned something with debug
its not something that can even spawn naturally i think so its irrelevant
river parcel
the consequences of your actions
analog palm
the VSSK's accuracy is slightly low for a bolt action but 93% is definitely good...
#╓☢stalker-chat message behold, 60% accuracy (yes slugs give a bonus but I don't care)
harsh heath
the VSSK's accuracy is slightly low for a bolt action but 93% is definitely good...
Considering the rifle was made for barely medium ranges thats pretty reasonable
dusk vessel
the consequences of your actions
it just failed to spawn the squad thats all
nothing changed
river parcel
https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/958342885005221898/1503790669003...
yeah that feels like 60% with slugs alright lol
analog palm
I aim better with irons
I've sniped with smgs too so like, accuracy isn't a big deal
Ranges are short
river parcel
things with like 55 and lower feel like they'll miss within irons distance, 60-70 feel fine with 1x-2x, and 80+ is good enough for 4x+
dusk vessel
especially on an smg
river parcel
irons irl sure, good luck sniping something at 300 with GAMMA's MP9 irons lol
dusk vessel
Irons distance, so about 300 metres <:tomfoolery:1049995447277719582>
people have made further shots with irons
they had range adjustable irons
river parcel
we don't need range adjustable irons because our bullet go straight line
dusk vessel
ye
river parcel
problem though
dusk vessel
and ranges are close
river parcel
bullet go cone
dusk vessel
maps are relatively small
river parcel
shoot walther p99 at rookie bandit facing away from you at 5m, bullet hits wall
put away walther p99
never again
flashback to original stalker accuracy
river parcel
a lot of the 50-55 accuracy pistols are probably pretty salvageable now that you can actually upgrade them
dusk vessel
im using the p99 right now
53% isnt great but its still very much useable
itl hit a bandits head from 5m 100% of the time
20 meters becomes a problem
quick tangle
the VSSK's accuracy is slightly low for a bolt action but 93% is definitely good...
unless anything changed, VSSK was pretty worthless as a scoped rifle due to massive damage fall off on 12,7.x55 in the past.
I dont kow if it was adressed, but a year ago+ it had much higher damage falloff than another subsonic round 9x39, and was nearing pistol round tier in that stat.
river parcel
Oh does it have rough falloff? I always used it on decently short maps so it was hilarious
makes people do backflips
night forge
OMG
quick tangle
Oh does it have rough falloff? I always used it on decently short maps so it was...
extremely so.
night forge
I JUST GOT RUSHED BY A BIG ASS RED CHIMERA AS I RUSHED INTO THE BRAIN SCORCHER OUTSIDE AREA FOR A QUICK STASH
0 STAMINA
I SCREAMED SO BAD AND PAUSED MY GAME\
dusk vessel
a lot of the 50-55 accuracy pistols are probably pretty salvageable now that you...
can get the 99 to 615rpm
if you click fast enough thats smg levels
river parcel
is your psy health low
night forge
lmao that shit got me
no wonder when i was fighter a controller i kept having other shit spawn
river parcel
can get the 99 to 615rpm
pretty decent honestly
night forge
i was doing the clear the base mission and it was having the fake mutated beast as the quest instead of the controller lol
makes sense now
dusk vessel
pretty decent honestly
if you use it only close range and with the kit
its a solid gun
doesent require red upgrades
its 2 yellow 1 orange per line
river parcel
overall a good change, though the money sinks in the mid/late do feel a little bit obvious at this point lol
I think the two funniest ones are the nearly 6 figure artefact booklet and the 20 cleaning kits required for a D Repair kit
dusk vessel
the p99 kit is very cheap
analog palm
people have made further shots with irons
Keep in mind 300 metres is extremely long range in gamma
analog palm
And bullet isn't even very noticeable with subsonic ammo
dusk vessel
butterfly clicking, it has 3 round burst but that one sucks
dusk vessel
And bullet isn't even very noticeable with subsonic ammo
nothing is subsonic in gamma anyways
analog palm
9x39
river parcel
butterfly clicking, it has 3 round burst but that one sucks
did you ever get to try out the UDP-9 when it was a merc starter gun for a little bit
river parcel
very fun gun
I just look around the starter kits when updates happen to see if anything interesting shows up there
did you see the AC10whatever red dot has a unique model on the UDP9?
river parcel
it looks great
dusk vessel
the pubg red dot?
river parcel
yeah the video game red dot
river parcel
i didnt
had to go digging for a very old screenshot to find it but yeah it's this one
river parcel
all the new pistol kits are fun
dusk vessel
this one isnt new
river parcel
the p226/p220 had a few of them before right
dusk vessel
p226 has kept its old kit