Powerpuff Girls

[tribal thistle]

Their raw kill power isn't the best

[tardy canyon]

I’ve literally hit them all casually but alright

[limber wraith]

But still

What are their kill confirms

Garnet up clap kills at like 80

[tardy canyon]

70 is still crazy early, nothing PPG’s has kills that early consistently

[limber wraith]

The point is he has solid kill confirms, not at the same level

[tardy canyon]

I’m not arguing that, but ppg isn’t top tier they can’t do literally everything

They’re hella good but anything above high tier is just you unable to adapt

[teal wadi]

Juice doesn’t even kill 70% too 😭

[simple surge]

This downplaying is insane

[tardy canyon]

85% win rate in ranked yikes

[limber wraith]

Most people downplay their characters

[teal wadi]

Beetlejuice bottom 3

[simple surge]

He means when u stun and charge up tilt

[teal wadi]

Yea I know

It doesn’t even kill 70%

[simple surge]

Really?

Wow

[tardy canyon]

Seen it, done it, been hit by it it does

[teal wadi]

Yea maybe 90 on all maps

[teal wadi]

Not this patch

And where did you get 50% from 💀

[tardy canyon]

Yes this patch what when do you think I hit it

[simple surge]

PPG should also be like light as Arya

[limber wraith]

Are they not?

[tardy canyon]

Bro is taking the joke name literally

[teal wadi]

Maybe you mistook 70 from 170

[simple surge]

No

[teal wadi]

70 is crazy bro

[simple surge]

They are mid weight

[tardy canyon]

I’ve literally done it bro you’re crazy

[limber wraith]

I’m just gonna head out, y’all can argue all you want, if I have PPG questions I’ll come back

[simple surge]

Ok

[tardy canyon]

Comparing ppg’s to either of them is insane masters 1 hop off it

[simple surge]

Nah man i feel like PPG are top tiers just like them, but no top 1

[teal wadi]

Bruh I just tried it

You can’t even kill 80% from charaged uptilt

💀😭😭

[high surge]

lmao

[tardy canyon]

Y’all can keep yapping complaining about a character that just got nerfed 😔🙏

[simple surge]

Yeah lol someone that doesnt even main joker got masters 1 with him with an 100% win rate last season

[high surge]

bro i saw you arguing in tom and jerry chat earlier is that all you do

[simple surge]

Oh my god they nerfed their 0toDeath, they didnt deserve it 🥺

[tardy canyon]

Not even downplaying they’re just not top tier I never said they were bad

[simple surge]

Idk man i feel like its my discord and stuff if u dont like it just ignore it or smth 😂

[tardy canyon]

I do think they’re high tier I said that like five minutes ago

[simple surge]

Tell me an reason they are not top tier

Like they have insane speed and have 40 dmg combos

[high surge]

he's not even saying they aren't?

[simple surge]

Goos kill comfirms

good*

[high surge]

💀

[simple surge]

And good range

[tardy canyon]

Struggle to kill outside of jab or d-tilt , weird hurtbox so they get hit behind a ton, moves drop opponents all the time just to name a few

Half their kill confirms are DIable

[teal wadi]

Iad nair uptilt

Kill confirm

And does about 25%

[tardy canyon]

You’re not hitting run up IAD nair consistently especially at kill percent

And nair is one of their multihits that drop a lot

[teal wadi]

If you do a regular one

Not iAd

[tardy canyon]

Not saying they don’t have kill confirms, but they struggle to kill outside of it

[teal wadi]

And it’s not that hard to hit

[simple surge]

Top tier players when their kill comfirm dont come out of jab

[teal wadi]

I also will say they are high tier for now

But the damage is broken g

[tardy canyon]

Demo my goat 😔🙏

I agree

Never said it wasn’t

[simple surge]

Their dmg needs to be lower

40 dmg combos out of jab is not ok

They dont even need to use an cooldown or smth

[tardy canyon]

Still a MVS issue imo

[simple surge]

Only top tiers like Batman have combos like that

They also need an nerf

[high surge]

i could swear morty did too?

[teal wadi]

Yea ik but I feel like every hit does 10%+ 😭

[tardy canyon]

Batman needs to burn respectfully I been hating on him since day one

[high surge]

and every other character in the game?

[high surge]

so does shaggy imo

[teal wadi]

Beetlejuice juice also has a 40% from jab

[wispy temple]

Yeah pretty much every character has a combo that deals ~40

[high surge]

yh

[simple surge]

Nah he doesnt, at least without the need of cooldown

[tardy canyon]

I mean he still has one

And morty’s cooldowns aren’t THAT long

[teal wadi]

Aslong as it’s not 50% then yea

[simple surge]

PPG girls also have 50 dmg combos

[high surge]

ok?

everyone else does?

[teal wadi]

Yea that’s broken

[tardy canyon]

We know, but everyone has a combo in that 30-50 range

[simple surge]

Brother whats ur logic

[teal wadi]

Name a bj combo that does 50

[high surge]

😅

[teal wadi]

50% is when it starts to get broken

[simple surge]

But they are mostly not consistent, use cooldown or diable

[teal wadi]

^

[simple surge]

PPG in the other hand

Free 50 dmg bcs i got an jab

[tardy canyon]

If you just hold out on ppg jab d-tilt it drops from like 50 to 40

Still crazy but literally just hold out

[patent pulsar]

They have a good amount of whiff. Not too much not too little

[simple surge]

No they dont brother 😭

[wispy temple]

Just checked, almost all PPG attacks deal under 10 damage.

But down attack does 16% 😭

[simple surge]

Some moves have ok whiff

But some are just insane

Like down tilt

Down air

[teal wadi]

That’s cap

A bunch of them do over 10

[wispy temple]

From my testing it's only like, 3 or 4 💀

[patent pulsar]

..they do. Please get better

[wispy temple]

Got the list

Full jab combo: 11
Up attack: 12
Down attack: 16
Sair: 10
NSpecial (Buttercup): 10
Dash Attack: 10

If there's more, pls share

[teal wadi]

16%? Is that with or without perks

[wispy temple]

Without 💀

[patent pulsar]

The funny thing about the jab combo is that jab 1 does 1 damage

[wispy temple]

I knoowwwww 😭

[teal wadi]

Only using two damage perks since that are mainly used in normal builds
Snowball and pugilist. No collateral and 5%

Downtilt
Dair
Uptilt
Sair
Nair
Blossom side special(hits ground)
Blossom neutral special
Jab combo
Buttercup neutral special
Dash attack

💀💀💀

[marsh kindle]

They gotta tone down these mfs

[wispy temple]

All of these are true, but I can't get Buttercup throw to deal more than 7 damage, even with ground bounce.

Though Bubbles throw deals 9 lmao

[teal wadi]

Bruh I knew something was fishy

[marsh kindle]

Nah cause why can I die at 30 off stage to one side special 🤦‍♂️

Samurai Jack part 2

[teal wadi]

Like no matter how much you cook a ppg, they gotta hit you like 5 times 😭

[marsh kindle]

EXACTLY

[teal wadi]

Finns damage in comparison to ppg is crazy

[marsh kindle]

He don’t do no damage now lmao

Like he does with combos and stuff

But not when everyone has like the easiest time dodging

[teal wadi]

Yea a perfect example of what an assassin should be

Well he needs a bit more damage

But having 9 moves that allow you to go 10% or above while still having combo game is crazy

Oh wait 10 moves I forgot dash attack

[marsh kindle]

Genuinely

[wispy temple]

Added to the no perk list lol

[teal wadi]

Dtilt into Nair does 24 damage. Literally 2 input combo, bs.

[marsh kindle]

EXACTLY

I hate their nair and down tilt

[teal wadi]

I think a few of these would be 9% if I don’t use perks. It’s very close tho

[wispy temple]

I got this to deal 25 😭😭😭

[teal wadi]

I hate nair uptilt.

[teal wadi]

💀

[wispy temple]

Yeeaaahhhhh... Nerf PPG damage pls. 💀

[teal wadi]

Honestly if they reverted her combo game (except the nair bs). I wouldn’t mind asking as long as they tone damage down abit

[tawny horizon]

batman first

[wispy temple]

I don't mind the order as long as the problems get solved. 😭

[tawny horizon]

buffing a character this much for players to play him cause of his birthday is just evil

[ebon robin]

Hey can someone help me with an achievement?

[acoustic dawn]

Maybe cus he was garbage before

He's not even broken now hes just strong

[limber wraith]

He wasn’t

[marsh pewter]

Not really

[marsh kindle]

What the downplay

[marsh pewter]

Does anyone know any combos for them now

My bread and butter doesn't work anymore

[patent pulsar]

For bubbles I do jab jab dtilt neutral special

At higher percents with blossom/buttercup I'll do jab jab dtilt up special

And at around like 110ish percent you can for jab 1 uptilt for the kill

I've also been using nair to edge guard

It doesn't send crazy far but it covers a lot of options

[simple surge]

This character is so insane 😭

She is so fast and does like 47 out of an simple combo

Her stuff have no start up

And no whiff frames neither

[patent pulsar]

47 is the same damage as like every other decently good character but ok lol

I agree on the start up frames but they definitely have whiff frames

[simple surge]

What other character that is not an S tier that does 47 dmg or even more without the need of cooldown, DI and its consistent

[patent pulsar]

Jason

Marvin

Pretty sure Velma's got a 40 to death combo on light weights lol

[vapid void]

i hate being paired with velma or fighting a velma with a ppg teammate

the ppg just become bobble heads with her around

[marsh pewter]

With the perk right? Wouldn't nair be better because bubbles scream does barely any damage

[patent pulsar]

Yeah I use the perk that turns the scream into a stun

[marsh pewter]

I might switch back to that one, I'm not liking the rainbow dash one even though people say it's better

[acoustic dawn]

Idgaf imma downplay

Im not bothered getting nerfs that make him garbage to play again

Pre s3 batman was boring asf

Ermm nerf batman actually hes too strong ☝️🤓

[broken hazel]

@marsh pewter

Rainbow Dash just gives you an alternative combo route.

Jab-jab-dtilt-nair-air dash

Nair-air dash is a solid 1-2 combo in the air

[vocal folio]

@high surge I think I’m fighting you rn? Are you playing tnj??

[high surge]

omg i was hii

who were you?

was it 'MasterAquaz' by chance?

@vocal folio

[vocal folio]

Yeah lmao

[high surge]

lol ggs

[cobalt basin]

Is their any cool PPG advance tech

I feel like this character only real combo is jab + phone + spin

[broken hazel]

Still probably some good mix up with the extra ingredient perk

[patent pulsar]

I haven't labbed anything but I've heard they have some nutty air walker stuff

[trim stone]

so when is balance patch because... lol

[vapid void]

I've been thinking about blabbing air walker

But I like last stand

[vapid void]

Thinking about trying extra ingredient again, keep getting smoked with rainbow dash in 2v2

[patent pulsar]

Gonna be real, Last Stand on PPG is not worth it

They're so light you don't really get to make much use out of it

[vapid void]

Yeah that's the vibe I've been getting. Once I hit the 100% threshold I gotta play more keep away and run around with Bubbles so my opponents don't just blow me up

Might just go with full armor crushing at the moment. Want to try air walker but getting those longer fancier combos is much harder in 2v2

[manic moss]

Planning on getting the powerpuff girls today if possible

[tribal thistle]

Nice, they're super fun

[vocal folio]

Just had to fight grandmaster 3 Jason in platinum 5……

He was using salt emotes too after every kill

[manic moss]

And I got em :3

[vapid void]

Have fun

[modest pike]

Okay am I crazy or does this character have no neutral

Like at all

Stubby, not that fast, no projectiles and no answer to zoning

It feels like they get dumpstered by anyone with a sword or half decent zoning

[patent pulsar]

No you're not crazy

They can use grounded side special to block projectiles

[modest pike]

They lose to Jerryshot and Bugs' safe/rocket

Reeeeally badly

[crimson sparrow]

is there a ppg discord?

[patent pulsar]

Interesting thing about the TnJ matchup is that dtilt kills Jerry in one hit

[patent pulsar]

Yes

[modest pike]

Oh I know that

But played right, they never get the opportunity

[tardy canyon]

i dunno i've never struggled in either matchup

don't see a lot of them tho

[modest pike]

probably cuz its so hard to get them out of silver lmao

[tardy canyon]

prolly

[modest pike]

speak of the devil, found one in Plat

aaand they vanished

[vapid void]

yea getting in as the girls can be kinda of a struggle

[stoic bloom]

whenever i play ppg i feel so sluggish compared to other chars

like samurai jack can whip out attacks fast af but ppg got hella windup

[tardy canyon]

I dunno what you’re talking about high key I’ve never had any problems

[candid nebula]

That’s prolly cus you’re approaching with side air instead of neutral air

Using neutral air as an approach tool is the best way to play ppg imo

[modest pike]

IAD nair is fine but loses to disjoints and projectiles

[tardy canyon]

dodging through projectiles and proper spacing/timing with jab deals with those fine

[modest pike]

I shoot them on reaction more often than not, I dunno

[tardy canyon]

oh boy i can't wait to play ppg's just to have 90% of my multihits not fully connect

[vocal folio]

Is there just no way to buy the dynamo defence skin now?

[small mango]

dude i hate this side special so much

i throw my projectile but there is just a buttercup meat shield for two minutes

[patent pulsar]

Uptilt not connecting is always so saddening

[nocturne prism]

are ppg good?

[patent pulsar]

Yes

People saying they're bad are downplaying but people saying they're top 5 are overplaying

[nocturne prism]

i mean shes got like insane combos right?

but her hitbox is giant

[scarlet gull]

*hurtbox. And yes it’s fairly large so they get hit by a good amount of stuff

You can tell when the ppg gets a shield from like Steven or Finn team buff. The circle is massive compared to most other characters

[broken hazel]

Asking for myself as I saw it earlier, but is there a dedicated PPG discord group for MultiVersus?

[patent pulsar]

Yes

[broken hazel]

Is it possible to get invited to it?

[patent pulsar]

Sorry, just saw this. I'll dm you

[broken hazel]

@patent pulsar
Still waiting for the dm

[patent pulsar]

Discord says I've sent it

[broken hazel]

Got it

[neon gazelle]

Hurtbox. They need to fix it and so many others. It’s annoying getting uppercutted 50 feet away from behind them lol

[nocturne prism]

isnt she easy to use though?

i mean the combos dont seem hard

[patent pulsar]

Her combos aren't really that complicated no

Imo the hardest part about PPG is knowing when to switch, which really isn't that hard either

[nocturne prism]

funny how the "hard" characters are some times easier than other characters

[neon gazelle]

Yeah she’s easy to use but not easy to master. Still doesn’t change the issue of hurtbox. Same with Jason, easy to use but hard to master with hurtbox issue.

[neon gazelle]

Exactly

[hot skiff]

I think there needs to be a slightly clearer distinction when a girl moving is part of a move and when she's part of the actual hitbox.

It can get a little confusing when they're in motion.

[nocturne prism]

yeah doesnt make any sense lol

[tired gale]

Powerpuff Girls are labeled as Hard characters due to complexity in regards to their switching mechanic and the various status ailments and move differences taken into consideration

It's hard to master a character like them given there's so much to do and it can feel a little overwhelming to less experienced players.

...In comparison to other characters.

Remember Multiversus is a more casual oriented game, this game is friendlier in regards to how understandable its mechanics are.

That's brings up an interesting question actually

Lately I noticed this thing going about that Smith is this extremely busted character and I don't remember anybody ever clamoring this until Season 3

Did the changes really improve him that much?

Before then I was never shamed or harassed for playing this character and, it seems lately that's changed all of a sudden?

Not that I ever thought he was a bottom tier character anything but it seemed most people consistently kinda just imagined him as this middle-grounded character until Season 3

Assuming I play a character because they're good and not because I love all four Matrix films, even the meddlingly not-so-good ones like Resurrections

[patent pulsar]

I think you just like to complain

[patent pulsar]

What did the message you're replying to say

Smith is fine

He's good but I don't see a reason to nerf him

Unless he's got some crazy infinite I haven't heard about

You could say that for any top tier

Not really

Yes

Cus I'm not a baby lol

Ok lol

?

Yeah so

Alright I'm done interacting with you. If you think IG is free wins then you're probably missing a pretty big chunk of your brain. Have fun complaining about every character that happens to do well in the meta!

[vapid void]

my mans went on a delting spree lmao

[tired gale]

Apparently this is the third time they've done this?

At least that's what I've been told

[patent pulsar]

Good riddance

[patent pulsar]

Another phantom ping

I will find you

[vapid void]

anyway curious how people approach with PPG? currently stuck in plat iv in 2v2s and i think part of the reason why Im there is because approaching is tough

[limber wraith]

That was Mr.Cringe

[patent pulsar]

Ah. Do you know what he said?

[limber wraith]

He basically pinged you just to say Iron Giant main iirc

He changed his name to something Pooh, acted like hes someone else and then deleted his messages again, called it a bug

[patent pulsar]

Oh

Dang he's really petty lol

[limber wraith]

You are absolutely not wrong

If you see him again, look for a name like Imbuv or something as his username, honestly block him

[nocturne prism]

same problem with jason. you have methods of approaching, people just abuse your hurtbox and long startup

but i dont play ppg too much so im not sure. just repeating what someone else told me

[hot skiff]

The PPG are definitely managable, the only trouble I have with them as I mentioned before was that their nature as a bunch of moving parts makes the hitbox kind of hard to pinpoint sometimes.

[vapid void]

I play both characters. With PPG I find myself just going for hit and runs while Jason I gotta be more patient and get more hard and runs. Both characters want to capatilize on any mistakes my opponents make.

[nocturne prism]

find that to be because jason has a worse disadvantage state but better advantage state than ppg

thats just my guess

[patent pulsar]

Quickly flick your left joystick in the same direction twice and hit attack

[patent pulsar]

It definitely is. Just takes some getting used to

[tulip helm]

Aerial neutral

Aerial neutral

Aerial neutral

Also forward is good

But aerial neutral better

Or just position vertically and drop yourself into enemy with dair

But aerial neutral is better

[vapid void]

yea that was what I was doing mainly, guess i gotta work on that some more

speaking of which our nair has a clamp so we cant just go straight up now

[scarlet gull]

with both sig perks nerfed, guess the meta pick now will likely be 5% smh

Why didn’t they adjust ppg hurtboxes

[patent pulsar]

They removed upwards movement with nair 😭

[modest pike]

How's the character feeling fellas

[jovial rock]

havent played them yet

[vapid void]

The Nair nerf sucks

Can't go up while nairing now

[modest pike]

Damn

[vapid void]

I get they had to remove the 0tds and I'm all for it but damn these nerfs suck lol

I'm still not over the first nerf but oh well

[modest pike]

I guess they werent buffed to compensate

[vapid void]

We got nothing so far

It's gonna get worse as a PPG player before it starts getting better methinks

[tribal thistle]

Dang, more nerfs and they haven't even been out that long

[neon gazelle]

Got nerfed. Can you feel the difference or no?

All the nerfs but no hurtbox fix

[tulip helm]

No, they only removed it vertical momentum after a dodge cancel.

Still is the same for approaching.

[neon gazelle]

Hm. I don’t think I ever went vertical with nair before

[tulip helm]

You need to see more tournaments of why.

[neon gazelle]

Oh wait…

[tulip helm]

Lead to some sick ladder combos.

[neon gazelle]

Rainbow dash and nair right?

Yeah I saw that

[tulip helm]

Aerial Neutral Attack
– Added a clamp to neutral air to prevent rising movement with nair

They removed its vertical momentum after a dodge cancel.

[tulip helm]

Yeah. It's not big difference. Just limits a lot of combos to profesional players

Is the same for approaching.

You can also gain momentum from a dodge.

[broken hazel]

Actually, if you catch it while jumping, you'll still have some vertical traction

[untold shoal]

Best.In.Da.Game.👏😤

[vapid void]

i guess I'll take some over none ig.

ill need to see if im capable of doing anything with it later

[vapid void]

thinking it might be time for a break from ranked and more lab time, stuck in plat iv now

[small mango]

im so tired of this side special

please nerf

[patent pulsar]

Please get better

[small mango]

i hope you never see twenty one pilots live

[patent pulsar]

I saw them like 3 weeks ago, best night of my life

[vapid void]

Never understood the point of going into character channels just to express your desire to see that character nerfed in front of the people that play said character

[small mango]

it’s funny

sometimes they help you other times they get mad

[vapid void]

Just seems unproductive

[wispy temple]

Yeah... I can't imagine putting so much energy into something like that unless I'm FUMING lol

Even then though, I don't like making people upset.

[small mango]

if i type at 70 wpm that would have taken me 5 seconds to type

[neon gazelle]

It only reinforces the toxic cloud that looms over this MVS community

Even though I hate Finn I’m not gonna go into the character channel and complain like a cry baby jerk

[somber cargo]

So whats the general neutral of the PPG and what are some bad MUs for them?

I finally got them today and im loving them so far

[vapid void]

take everything i say with a grain of salt since I don't consider myself good and this is all from a 2v2 prospective

but I hate fighting Jack, Joker, Taz, Black Adam, and sometimes Garnet the most.

[somber cargo]

I think T&J is a bad mu for them

After the ones ive fought its a pain

[vapid void]

its rough

i have tried to use bubbles' sonic screams to try and reflect projectiles but it doesn' t go well most of the time.

[vocal folio]

What are you supposed to do against iron giant

Goes for any character facing him really

[somber cargo]

Apparently bully him to death

He's dumb though

[patent pulsar]

Camp him out

Nothing he can do about that

And DI out when he lands a jab

[tribal meadow]

Could i also get an invite

[tribal meadow]

just keep grabbing him

he cant do much about it

bubbles stun also hits really often

[faint flame]

her up move is just funny, it's so broken and op that i laugh when it gets me out at 75 hp

[patent pulsar]

It's very good but a little inconsistent

People fall out of it sometimes

[quasi fox]

yeah people fall out of it way to much

[blissful bane]

Scum

[vapid void]

I tend to fish for up tilts around the 100%ish range

Jab to uptilt is fun

[vocal folio]

Lost 40 rp in a row due to the game crashing lol

[atomic stratus]

“Whistles”

[somber cargo]

What are some good combos to know after the nair nerf?

[marsh pewter]

Is rainbow dash still the better perk anymore?

[marsh kindle]

Probably

It’s a super good burst option in the air

And a good combo extender

[somber cargo]

I have trouble using it a lot

Mostly when it straight up doesnt come out despite doing the input for it

[tranquil remnant]

Tryna get on the PPG action

Ya'll got tips for a new PPG player?

[tranquil remnant]

THESE GIRLS ARE PEAK

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SAUCE

[distant mango]

This is what we call peak

[somber cargo]

Who're the best teammates for the PPG in 2s?

[spark nest]

Just move them to tank because that’s exactly how they are knocking out Superman at 113 with an up tilt🤦🏾‍♂️🥴

[somber cargo]

They feel like a bruiser tbh

Bruisers are hard hitters

[oblique oak]

been playing ppg for a bit almost in diamond feels like they lose to characters with big hitboxes honestly

got my garnet to masters way easier

[marsh kindle]

They feel like a very fast bruiser

Like a bruiser with crazy movement options

[marsh pewter]

I'm switching back to extra ingredient

Ngl rainbow dash isn't consistent and I can't get used to it

[marsh pewter]

How do I approach tom and Jerry

[patent pulsar]

Bait out Jerry and kill him with dtilt

[marsh pewter]

Does dtilt instantly kill?

[patent pulsar]

Yes

[marsh pewter]

Ty

[last lintel]

I couldn't get used to it either but my problem with Chem X is I don't find myself using the special moves too much I know there broken in there own ways but do you have any tips for me?

[last lintel]

Imo steven

[vapid void]

been on a bit of a break

but for 2v2s i tend to favour tank teammates

[hasty kelp]

I think they're good poke options or to continue combos, but if you find yourself not purposefully using them I'd just as soon use the 5% perk

[vapid void]

hoping they'll recieve some sort of meaningful buff to use Chemical X one day without 0tding things

but i doubt it

[marsh pewter]

Does anyone know any kill confirms at 110 or more? I can only kill with up tilt and rarely with down air special at high percentages even with buttercup

[candid nebula]

Down special my dude

Have buttercup as the switch so she’s doing the uppercut

[marsh pewter]

Not easy to hit and it doesn't kill every time

[candid nebula]

Down special in the air I mean

[candid nebula]

I usually do nair into down special

Also if you don’t use it already, air Walker and power puff girls is like salt and pepper

[marsh pewter]

What move is good into airwalker?

I mean using airwalker

[candid nebula]

Down tilt

And I’ve found that using up tilt with air walker when someone is more than halfway up the blast zone almost always kills

Cus the up tilt lifts them up physically without all the kickback, then the move actually does the boom and pow and they die

[patent pulsar]

Wait that's actually insane

I hate airwalker with a passion

But I'ma have to try that

[marsh pewter]

Same

[tribal thistle]

Sounds cool

[somber cargo]

So PPG with airwalker is good?

[marsh pewter]

Dude saying ppg are more braindead than Taz I can't believe this

[somber cargo]

How Taz has one move thats almost impossible to hit and they can just spam it to win

[rapid juniper]

how do you beat batman with this character

[tribal thistle]

Batman is easily one of their worst matchups

[rapid juniper]

after going up against two of them I see why 😭

[vocal folio]

Down 170 rp in ranked today

[blissful bane]

Get better

[vocal folio]

No it should just give me master

[neon gazelle]

Now that they've been nerfed and players adapted, plus all the meta characters like cough-cough BATMAN has overrun ranked,
Its been tough winning matches.

Which is crazy because PPG is pretty decent.

[vapid void]

wish stuff didn't get nerfed/buffed right out of the gate outside from really bad stuff like 0tds

but alas

[warm jetty]

Yeah ppg is pretty useless now tbh it's just spam gameplay lol

[neon gazelle]

One of PPG biggest issue rn is there HUGE hurtbox.
At times I can see why it hits, but most of the time its just way too ridiculous.

[tribal thistle]

Their hurtbox is massive, makes disadvantage and avoiding moves hard

They're combo food

[vocal folio]

What do you actually do against Batman?

[rapid juniper]

you lose

[ruby locust]

Yes im like this

[modest pike]

curious, have ya'll figured out what neutral with this character looks like

still feels atrocious to me

[wheat crane]

Sorry What does neutral mean in this context

[patent pulsar]

Neutral is like how you play the game when nothing's really happening

Like when both players are trying to find an opening that's called neutral

[silk meteor]

fish for jab/nair/dtilt to start combo
Nair leads into dash unless u only hit 1 time
jab leads into jab jab dtilt -> (dair if low &) -> nair dash
jab can also be used with uptilt to finish at higher %
dtilt leads into nair, & sometimes uptilt depending on %
dtilt -> air down special is also a pretty nice kill confirm

[patent pulsar]

What percent do you do dtilt dspecial?

[silk meteor]

it combos at most %, kills around 80+% on most characters, more on heavier characters

doing it with blossom feels the weakest (because bubbles has the least launch power idk?)

sometimes jab jab -> dtilt -> nair dspecial also works but its more di dependent, its pretty good close to the edge because it sends horizontal

[wheat crane]

Got it thank you

I think with Nair its not so bad but if you miss ppg gets punshed hard because of the end lag.
On the ground i find it hard sometimes cause the jabs are so stubby lol

[modest pike]

My issue is more they have no range on normals, have no answer to projectiles and happen to be the biggest hurtbox after Giant

[silk meteor]

side special?

[modest pike]

The ground one is super reactable

[silk meteor]

can be used to deal with most prejectiles

[patent pulsar]

It's alright as a projectile blocker but leaves you vulnerable if whiffed

[silk meteor]

true

[tribal thistle]

The throw is funny

[somber cargo]

Dont forget Bubbles can reflect projectiles

But it sucks tbh

[rapid juniper]

I wish it was a bit better

[urban marsh]

Honestly wished the scream as a whole was better

cause without chemical x it does nothing

[neon gazelle]

Same. It should have lingering hitbox

[urban marsh]

i could see that happening

i just hope they give it less endlag to actually incentivize using it as a reflector

cause other than the scream while using chemical x there's no real reason to use bubbles

[loud osprey]

how can i use rainbow dash perk better for combos

[vocal folio]

anyone else got stuck at level 16? like the bar doesn’t progress any farther?

[urban marsh]

yeah

[marsh pewter]

Why are they so bad

Only thing they can do is jab and it's hard to hit

People constantly fall out of my air dash attack or up tilt for no reason

[vocal folio]

U DID TOO?

[teal wadi]

Lol this character died out

I don’t know if ppg is trash now

Or are you guys making ppg look trash 😭

[marsh pewter]

They're not that good tbh

[silk meteor]

char is kinda trash, assassin class but barley has any combos left, hitbox is huge so they gets hit by everything

[tribal thistle]

They're still one of the most fun characters imo

[marsh pewter]

Fun doesn't equal good

[teal wadi]

True

I think the main problem wasnt the combos itself

It was the damage

[silk meteor]

damage and killpotential isnt terrible

[teal wadi]

like almost every ppg hit does 10%+ if they toned it down while keeping the combos

Everything would be fine

[silk meteor]

yep

[modest pike]

Nair being an edgeguard/finisher tool was not on my bingo card

But we move

[urban marsh]

true

I'm so glad they made buttercups version of up b higher

[tribal thistle]

Same

It goes nowhere, so that'll be a great buff

[urban marsh]

the nair changes are gonna be really interesting to figure out new stuff with

[urban marsh]

yeah

[fluid compass]

hey bubbles scream has a drop of usage now i guess lol

buttercup up being buffed is nice though

[idle sun]

I'm very confused by the blurb on the patch notes saying they're buffing the characters' aerial combos while the actual notes seem like the exact opposite of combo buffs

I guess maybe you might be able to combo after air side special at low percents if they don't bounce back? Maybe?

Beyond that I'm not seeing anything that's going to improve air combos.

Also what the heck is Acrobattack? New perk? Renaming Rainbow Dash perk for some reason? Did Hasbro come at them with a copyright claim for the name?

[wheat crane]

Acrobattack was the name of the move in the show

[wheat crane]

^

[idle sun]

Ah, I see. Been too long since I've seen the show. I take it that's what the attack is called in the game then? I guess it's just worded weirdly that it sounds like the perk is called that

[teal wadi]

How do y’all deal with projectiles

[marsh pewter]

They're trash now

Thanks pfg! You should buff smith btw

[haughty dagger]

🥲

[patent pulsar]

So we're the buffs not really buffs?

[marsh pewter]

No
Apparently they have a 0 to death now that I somehow have seen no one talk about but that's besides the point
They feel slow and unresponsive now and their combos are gone like following up nair with rainbow dash isn't true anymore because it sends them too far away and much more like that

[silk meteor]

very odd changes considering ppg has been bottom 4 winrate since they removed the 0td'

[gaunt halo]

One of the things I loved doing was to d-tilt shortly after nair to catch dodge spam, but that doesn't even work well anymore now that nair has higher knockback.

[vapid void]

Maybe I'll get more use out of the new Nair in 2v2s

Guess 5% is looking like the best perk now

[haughty dagger]

Man Buttercup dash and uppercut doesn't kill at 120+ anymore. Lost so many kill options.

[candid laurel]

Helppp

Why is it down for me

[vapid void]

huh i didn't realize they nerfed bubbles' air speed to

[urban marsh]

am i crazy or does bubbles shout have less endlag on hit

[vocal folio]

soo.. what the hell do we do outside of nair now.. since they took out all the routes 😭

[vocal folio]

its sooo so bad ik 😭 and the damage numbers are LOOOWWWWW

[haughty dagger]

Can't even kill Jerry reliably anymore due to the dtilt nerf. Don't know a character who got hit this hard especially funny that this was worded as a buff.

[deft vapor]

you hope that they listen and revert the nair knockback change cause good lord its unplayable with the current knockback

all they had to do was the advance the on hit cancel window to ACTUALLY give this character combos again but instead it got gutted

[patent pulsar]

The dtilt nerf was actually so unnecessary

[tribal thistle]

Yeah, don't see why they nerfed it

[marble niche]

thank god

[tribal thistle]

Now we've got a "combo based assassin" that can't combo

[somber cargo]

Bruh I cant even combo side special after nair with the knockback change-

[vapid void]

Surprised they messed up the battle pass character this much

[silk meteor]

yeees atleast with jack they waited untill the season ended to do the biggest nerfs

[vocal folio]

exactly!!! same exact thing happened to beetlejuice

[vocal folio]

hey we’re gonna allow more combos by making the move push them way farther away from you 😭

[vocal folio]

so quickly too!!

[tribal thistle]

It's crazy

[vocal folio]

the list of ways they’re doing the ppg dirty continues

[vapid void]

Idk everyone I liked playing in this game just got nerfs/changes most of the time

So I'm just numb to it

[deft vapor]

I just hope they revert the knockback change

I literally dont care about anything else

[vapid void]

I wouldn't mind the damage nerfs if we had combo variety

[vocal folio]

yeah like the actual point of the changes 😭

[deft vapor]

I switched to this charscter because i liked the combo variety and now its gone

[vocal folio]

I mean still they knocked off like 4-5 digits on the moves that’s a lil cray

[deft vapor]

Literally just revert the knockback nerf and this character has combos again

Im calling it a nerf for what it is

[trim jungle]

they really cooked my demon💔

[deft vapor]

i am starting to get used to this new nair and i can do some combos off of it if i read the dodge well

sometimes if lucky i can get like 50+ off of a read

[marsh pewter]

What do I do with the ppg now

My only combo route is gone and they feel absolutely awful

[haughty dagger]

Try to cheese some kills with dash + nair off stage basically.

[flint walrus]

I feel like the Power Puff Girls need a nerf revertation or just a buff since they're limited for their combos and sometimes struggle to kill

Aren't assassins known for their oppressive combos or something?

[patent pulsar]

Classes in this game mean literally nothing but I agree they need some love

[modest pike]

How's it lookin fellas

[vapid void]

Just booted up the game to try it out for myself

God they feel so bad now

[vapid void]

Not good

[tired gale]

I'm trying to get the Powerpuffs to Character Mastery 15 as they're currently Level 13, however it's easier said than done with the recent changes

For an assassin they struggle to kill, for an assassin they have a shockingly small amount of combo potential

Even Beetlejuice who feels more like a Bruiser than an Assassin I seem to find more success with?

[trim jungle]

they feel horribly sluggish now and input drops this patch are going crazy

[vapid void]

At this point I don't think things are gonna get better for this character. So ig I'll continue my ranked grind and just hope I'm able to get to masters before the end of the season

[marble niche]

unplayable lmao

ppg players when their character is real now

[vapid void]

Actually gonna go back to extra ingredient for a bit before going on 5%

[pure bay]

they're not that bad, they hv cool stuff

[vapid void]

they're not as cool as they used to be

[pure bay]

cz of the nair change?

i think it could be rlly nice tbh

[vapid void]

the nair change sucks

[pure bay]

it is indeed something

[vapid void]

it makes it very difficult to combo after it with the knockback increase

[pure bay]

but hey, funny nair kill :3

[vapid void]

i dont get what PFG's goal was here, they don't feel like an aerial combo heavy character, and their damage output was gutted

im really hoping im just missing something here but right now im not holding my breath

[pure bay]

yeah, dtilt dmg nerf was valid

jab jab dtilt nair was like 40 dmg, it was insane

[vapid void]

im aware that it was and i would be cool with it if PPG had actual combo variety to make up for it

but rn they feel lackluster to play

[pure bay]

try ppg server, ppl still doing cool stuff there :3

[urban marsh]

their combos feel fine it's just you use bubbles for combos now instead of the other 2

bubbles is honestly a lot better this patch to use

[pure bay]

nah, the other 2 have some sauce

i think this patch might be great ngl

[urban marsh]

i bet cause i'm still figuring out the new routes with the other 2

but mainly have just found a lot with bubbles

[pure bay]

starting to think ppg got buffed ngl

its weird, but it feels as if they can just, play more consistently

[vocal folio]

Alr y’all how are we killing jerry

Down tilt and a fully charged neutral attack don’t work

[runic gazelle]

side air special

[vocal folio]

ty ty

[haughty dagger]

I don't even need to kill Jerry anymore, been killing Tom and Jerry players in one combo. Hardcorefox got sweeped, and since he doesn't have his paddle loop anymore the match up is a lot more manageable.

[haughty dagger]

Buttercups eye lasers have been my new go too and have been working great for the campier tnjs.

[vocal folio]

woah no way you beat him 😳 my new idol fr.. thx for the info!! you think she’s better to have out instead of bubbles for the reflect?

[haughty dagger]

Reflect is useless in that match up imo. The only real projectile worth reflecting would be jerry shot but it's immune, the rest of their projectiles leave you wide open for landing attacks on you and are way easier to just avoid. Buttercups lasers erase all projectiles in its path and people usually don't approach it for the punish, especially if far enough but I only use it on Jerry, any other projectiles are collateral.

Not sure if it's because TnJ is light but dragging him into the blast zone was super easy with buttercup equipped too.

[vocal folio]

Gadamn.. bro is using raw buttercup 😭 that’s crazy, u have any clips?

[haughty dagger]

I don't stream sadly. I know there's an nvidia replay system but too much time probably passed.

[vapid void]

how do we feel about using bubbles to reflect projectiles in general? I've been trying and failing but I summed that up as skill issue

[haughty dagger]

It has niche against lebron and batman if you're really good with it, but not that useful.

It can be used to bully Reindogs because you can steal their crystal and take their flame walls/reflect their neutral attack lol.

[vapid void]

I see. I figured it was still not worth using. guess I'll save the scream for stuns I guess, and try out Buttercup next tme

[patent pulsar]

I'm ngl guys I really like the new nair

Sure you can't combo with it but the edge guards you can get with it now are amazing

[vapid void]

ive been trying to use it as a 'get off me' sort of move or to get my teammate some space for my allies

[urban marsh]

Yeah that matchup is a lot better for ppg now

Also good to see hardcorefox losing after I ran into him in 2s and he was bug abusing with a shaggy

[teal wadi]

I saw some people couple weeks ago doing dash attack

Grounded and making it go into the air how do you do that?

[somber cargo]

Hold up when inputting dash attack

[teal wadi]

Thanks

[teal wadi]

Is it me or is the damage bugged

[somber cargo]

Idk

[teal wadi]

Like the damage counter at the end of the match

[silk meteor]

with ppg yes

[vapid void]

when someone has a moment can they shoot the ppg discord my way?

[teal wadi]

Same

[somber cargo]

Same here

[tribal thistle]

Ditto

[gaunt halo]

Same here

[teal wadi]

Check DMs

[vivid minnow]

I didn't knew the top 1 ppg on ranked was such a fraud, just won against him, he was running all day lol

[haughty dagger]

He likes to rely on the dash attack to up special method a lot I noticed. No hate to a fellow ppg player though, but yeah it's easy to adapt to his current strategy.

[vocal folio]

You can also use it as a steven forward air and reflect projectiles ppl send when they’re trying to get back on stage, i did that you a garnet recently 🤭 she exploded

[vocal folio]

ew.. 😭 that’s depressing

[teal wadi]

0td if they Di away

#combos message

[neon gazelle]

Is there a new consistent bread n butter combo?

[vocal folio]

updaaate buttercup is perfect you’re right!! 😊 the speed doesn’t really matter when they practically run away from you all the time and killing jerry mid air is so satisfying

tysm for the tip!! 💚💚

[haughty dagger]

Bugs is another match up I go hard Buttercup into. It nullifies and can even hit him through all his rocket and safe shenanigans lol

Also Jason sometimes because the armor is annoying and they don't expect the laser that often.

[vocal folio]

tysm for the tip!! 💚💚

[tribal thistle]

Buttercup sweep

[teal wadi]

What do y’all use blossom for 😭

[tribal thistle]

That up b nerf really sucks for blossom

[teal wadi]

I only go hard core bubbles

When I verse a Jason and bugs I might swap cancel neutral special but that’s pretty much it

I dint like playing blossom that much

[tribal thistle]

Yeah, Blossom doesn't really have anything over the other girls

[neon gazelle]

Except that big 🎀 of hers

[marsh pewter]

I'm switching to extra ingredient, imo rainbow dash rn is useless

[patent pulsar]

Nah it's goated

[marsh pewter]

For what

[patent pulsar]

I was just watching Aries play in tournament

[marsh pewter]

It barely does anything and nothing combos into it

That's pre patch I think

[patent pulsar]

He combos off of it into nair or up special

[marsh pewter]

Or was it live

[patent pulsar]

Or hits a read with it

[patent pulsar]

It was live

[marsh pewter]

Oh

[patent pulsar]

It was the Valhallan Order tournament

[marsh pewter]

Aeris said it sucked tho

In the ppg server

[patent pulsar]

Oh

Well he was using it lol

[tribal thistle]

Truee, it's a cute 🎀

[teal wadi]

He’s used to using it that’s why

[teal wadi]

Yea do, it’s so much better and fun

[vapid void]

Yeah I've gone back to extra ingredient

Stun is handy in 2v2 and getting any dot with Buttercup is nice

[pure bay]

he swapped like 2 days ago x3

[teal wadi]

And stun - sidepecial - nair can get you some of the most cheapest kills

#clips message

[tribal thistle]

That was so clean

[vapid void]

Gonna try stealing this ty

[vocal folio]

is that burnice’s sister? :0

[pure bay]

who?

[vocal folio]

your profile picture

[pure bay]

I don't think she had siblings

It's a granblue character though

[vocal folio]

ohhh with the staff yeah, i was talking about from Zenless Zone Zero that burn girl lol 🤭 oops

[pure bay]

I didn't even know she had a sister

[vapid void]

ngl I love Buttercup eye lasers now

I slept on them for too long

[teal wadi]

Buttercup is really nice

I wonder, are there any hard core blossom players 😭

[vapid void]

Dunno

I only play Blossom when there's one enemy at high percent and the other is at low and I'm not doing so hot myself lol

That's the only real time I find use for her in betweeness

[teal wadi]

Oh wait she’s also good for

Air down special

Or being used to swap into bubbles 💯💯

[gleaming drift]

Does anyone have a ppg combo guide or something? I wanna do stuff other than down attack nair lmao

[south obsidian]

So would anyone be willing to help a new player out with combos and such just trying to get better since I want them to be my main

[teal wadi]

Down attack - nair is so dead

How about down attack - stun 🔥🔥🔥

#combos message

[cinder folio]

I'm finna try using the powerpuff girls, what should I know going into a match?

[marsh pewter]

Jab jab downtilt is their bread and butter
Use bubbles often since she's the fastest and more combo heavy
Use buttercup to kill
That's the basic of the basic

[patent pulsar]

So is blossom just not worth using or

[marsh pewter]

Not really

She's pretty useless

[patent pulsar]

Damn

She's my favorite one 😔

[marsh pewter]

Same

She's underrated ash

[wispy temple]

I've seen some maniacs use Blossom for both. Takes a bit more effort tho lol

[vocal folio]

mine too and trust me she’s not useless 🙄 her neutral special is yumyum for ladders

[patent pulsar]

Yo hear me out, airwalker neutral special

[vocal folio]

you can just.. do it you don’t need airwalker lmao

[haughty dagger]

Man Agent Smith feels like an unwinnable match up.

[teal wadi]

I use airwalker but not for that 😭

[teal wadi]

I just play passive against them

[haughty dagger]

@teal wadi Yeah definitely is the way, although finding punish windows for gun, jab, or forward air feels non-existent. I don't like playing passive but if they start to play passive it's just a wash it feels.

Aggro Smiths do feel manageable though. It's when they play passive is when I don't see a way out.

[teal wadi]

Bro ong I feel like Ppg has abit more startframes on moves you literally have to predict where he will dodge 🤦‍♂️

[haughty dagger]

Honestly just a handful of GM smiths who play that way though, some guy named 00marcelo keeps getting in my queue and my word all he does is fish for jabs.

[teal wadi]

90% of GM only do on playstyle for the entire game

[teal wadi]

Yea passive smiths are really annoying to fight

[haughty dagger]

Yeah jabversus is/was a real problem. I don't see it as often anymore but it was everywhere at the start.

[teal wadi]

That’s because where in a game where you get punished for trying to punish jabs

Jab endlag is nowhere to be found

[teal wadi]

On some characters*

[haughty dagger]

200% I always get punished for trying to whiff punish smiths jab, same with Shaggy.

[vapid void]

In 2s I do use Blossom if I need to keep some kill power without sacrificing all my speed. Those situations are rare but they happen

But yeah Im mainly on Bubbles most of the time with the occasional Buttercup to kill or burn through armor.

[small mango]

nerf bubbles

[patent pulsar]

I think that they should make bubbles scream put the opponent into burnout

[small mango]

which would make non true combos true and give her more 0 to deaths

maybe they should go with the original and make her silence

[vapid void]

How do you all deal with Taz?

He's my demon

[haughty dagger]

@vapid void depends on how the taz plays. If they spam neutral air you keep your distance and punish accordingly. Your nair also beats it. If they spam tornado you just gotta keep spacing. Ppgs side special and neutral specials on each girl can break through it, her side specials can also interrupt dogpile and up special can as well. He's a very light character and they like to be aggressive so killing them isn't that hard. Dair is also my friend this match up but yeah you usually have to bait out a lot of their attacks.

[teal wadi]

Bro what. That’s more broken than stun😭

[crisp perch]

I had never watched the show before but cool characters though

[vapid void]

Good to know. Didn't realize we could interrupt dog pile

God I wish tbjs game let us practice against certain moves

[teal wadi]

3 stuns in one combo #combos message 💀

Am I cooked?

[patent pulsar]

Dang bubbles is goated

[teal wadi]

Superior sibling

[vapid void]

shes always been my favourite out of the three

but now i fear for her come next patch lol

[urban marsh]

how do we feel about shielding on ppg?

[vapid void]

Finally got PPG into masters

Now I can rest

until dexter gets added

[vivid minnow]

The shield breaker move it's pretty good, it has good range and it's fast + our nair it's amazing for shield pressuring, we are eating

[candid laurel]

THEY REMOVED RANBOW DASH FOR THIS ACROBAT PARK

yo this game sucks balls

[patent pulsar]

Isn't it the same thing

[candid laurel]

No it sucks now

[urban marsh]

it's the same perk wdym

[candid laurel]

It is but it can be used once now

That sucks

[urban marsh]

that's balanced

[candid laurel]

No

[urban marsh]

yes it is

[candid laurel]

Its not

[urban marsh]

you could straight up air stall with it before

[candid laurel]

So people only used it twice

[urban marsh]

most didn't

[candid laurel]

Because they suck

[urban marsh]

the perk is completely fine where it is

[candid laurel]

Its really not

But i will still use it to be annoying

[urban marsh]

that nair change is what messed the perk up

even then i've still gotten a lot of value with it espiecally on bubbles

[candid laurel]

I just comboed a rick

At 30

He died

[patent pulsar]

It's been like that for a minute how are you just now finding out

[candid laurel]

I was at a party

I mean its still good

10 out of 10

Still

I hit masters

They are 16

[haughty dagger]

Bros been partying for a month straight.

[candid laurel]

It was yesterday

[plucky path]

Any advice for these girls?
I have a series of problems at medium distances when attacking with them

And I wanted to know if you could give me some tips to get closer to my opponents safely with them?

[teal wadi]

#clips message master ppg, now i can relax for this season

[hasty kelp]

You can throw out the grab pretty safely, also the phone slam… on a read you can charge the neutral normal and maybe tip em with it… otherwise I think a lot of people approach with neutral air… honestly want to help but haven’t played them in a minute… they’re fun tho!

[plucky path]

Thanks bro, I really enjoy using them, the truth is that I already made my little collection of these girls, I only need the ranked outfit

[fallow hollow]

only run bubbles

buttercup if you need a kill badly

nair dash attack

into nair dash attack read

then up special edge guard kill

edge guard can combo into dash attack

reverse dtilt combos into dair

[teal wadi]

When should I run blossom?

[fallow hollow]

like

90-95+

ig

prob more on heavies

[marsh pewter]

Isn't extra ingredient better and more consistent

[fallow hollow]

rainbow dash allows more 0tds

[marsh pewter]

Extra ingredient has a easy 0td on low blast zone maps tho

[fallow hollow]

rainbow dash has a easy 0td on all maps

[marsh pewter]

Which one

[fallow hollow]

aeris usually does

nair dash attack

easy read nair dash attack

into a up special

or up special dash attack

on bubbles

[teal wadi]

One perk requires a dodge read
The other doesn’t

[fallow hollow]

its really not a dodge read

nair is basically undodgeable

if you watch aeris play

[faint flame]

for the acrobattack perk, how do you do the move in the air on PC? sorry if this is a dumb question

[marsh pewter]

Move the stick forward twice and then attack

[faint flame]

thank you

[fallow hollow]

Just watched ppg

0td

3 times in 30 seconds

And ppl say this char ain’t crazy

[patent pulsar]

And it was with rainbow dash

Rainbow dash is still good yall

[gleaming drift]

Rainbow dash seems to really only be very good for that type of cheese though, I can see that combo string getting nerfed especially with aeris winning so much with it lol

[fallow hollow]

yeah playing 2s with aeris rn

were diffing

[gleaming drift]

Lmao I bet, it helps that the ppg nair is extremely hard to dodge

Aeris placed really high in bhand’s tournament as well doing the rainbow dash stuff, and ajax was in the chat seeing everything 😭

Might be a hot take but I think special ingredient should just be in their base kit 💀

[vapid void]

I would love that but Bubbles stun is preeettty good in of itself

[patent pulsar]

Yeah we're getting hella nerfs

[vapid void]

Letting her have that and just letting her pick acrobattack would be asanine

I would be down for a rework though that would tone down extra ingredient scream without making it useless either though

And strengthen the other two girls' effects a tad bit more

[fallow hollow]

he taught me ppg

we talk sometimes

[idle sun]

The stun scream needs to be a perk, its too good to just be free. The freeze / burn on Blossom and Buttercup do seem like they should probably be baseline though. As well as the projectile reflect on the scream. Having those baseline would give the girls' unique skill a better feeling to them, I find them a bit bland. Plus I really hate how the fact that they're perks means you can't get those effects in rifts. I'd be down for a rework of Extra Ingredient and make the effects (except the stun) baseline, have the perks add something else.

[vapid void]

Yeah I agree. Stun needs to be a perk no matter what. The other two are fine.

Won't be surprised if Bubbles loses her stun sometime down the road to and gets swapped for something not as strong

[gleaming drift]

Yeah if special ingredient is made into base kit it’d need changes/nerfs, but I just want each individual ppg to feel more different when you switch to them

I feel like you really only need to stay in bubbles most of the time if you run special ingredient

I still kinda wish they had some different normal attacks as well, kinda like pokemon trainer from smash

[vapid void]

Im wondering then what the heck would be swapped out for extra ingredient then at least for another perk

thats the tough part i cant think of anything if extra ingredient got reworked to be baked into their base oveset

[gleaming drift]

Considering signature perks can literally change up anything for a character it’d take some time to think of one, but for me i’d lean into one that gives each girl more originality in the gameplay

Kinda like what I mentioned before, maybe each girl has a certain jab or string that’s different, and you can switch the characters faster in between attacks to build combos

U can also factor in the special attacks each girl has for different combo setups or smth. Maybe stuff that gives them more optimal and fun combos aside from the bubble stun or the rainbow dash cheese lol

honestly the combo part should probably just be base kit as well 😭

[fallow hollow]

Bubbles is the best ppg on rainbow dash too

Less kb allows more consistent kill confirms

Like up special dash attack

[crisp perch]

Buttercup is my favorite

[teal wadi]

Nerf this character

[urban marsh]

bubbles is so broken this patch it's insane

espiecially when bubbles wasn't really good before hand

[crisp perch]

why

[teal wadi]

They are top 2

The character is so broken

Normally I would downplay but ppg is equivalent to cheating

[crisp perch]

dang

[tribal thistle]

That's pretty much all the top tiers

[teal wadi]

Not on ppg level

I’m not even cap or anything

I got masters in this character by doing 0td 80% of the time

[tribal thistle]

They all have busted zero to deaths

[teal wadi]

The only characters who got busted 0td is BG and PPG

The rests are avoidable

PPG has the most easiest 0td to pull off. Easier than BG imo

Since nair isn’t hard to hit with ppg

[tribal thistle]

People aren't switching to ppg like they are Banana guard though

[teal wadi]

I switched to ppg 💀😭

I wasn’t playing her in the beginning

I only played cause she could 0td

I only play characters that can do broken shi 🤣

Like I started playing her less than 2 weeks ago

[tribal thistle]

This also isn't saying much, people in ranked aren't the best

And it's easier than ever to rank up rn with the rp changes

[teal wadi]

No the point was I was winning games from just doing 0td stun combos

I have done it on grandmasters aswell

[tribal thistle]

Most gm players are only there because of playtime

[teal wadi]

And winrate

[tribal thistle]

I've seen gm players with low winrates

[teal wadi]

That’s crazy then but the ones I went against all have 70-80+

But that isn’t the point the combos are

I’ve won so many games I should have lost 100%

This has to be the most carried(no skill to win) character in the game rn

[teal wadi]

I would say BG but honestly to win matches ppg is much easier

[tribal thistle]

Unrelated, but do you still play Beetlejuice?

[teal wadi]

Nah, I couldn’t get past dia4 so I gave up but after this rp change I can definitely get masters

[tribal thistle]

Beetlejuice is so cool

[teal wadi]

Yea true

[rapid juniper]

ppg mains, what are some combos and don't say just 0td 😭

been getting my ass kicked

[teal wadi]

Why do combos when you can 0td

[rapid juniper]

because honestly I've flung myself into the blastzone half the time trying to do it, idk why but I can't hit it

[fallow hollow]

jab jab reverse dtilt'

sometimes into jab jab

jab jab dtilt

iad nair

up special

on bubbles

[rapid juniper]

why reverse down tilt out of jab 1 2?

[rapid juniper]

either way I'ma try it out

[vapid void]

it launches at a better angle

[fallow hollow]

top 8 on day 2 ppg

goat material fr

[tribal thistle]

Carry 🐐

[pure bay]

learned diff stuff, gotta start mixing it up from now on

they're both good

[vapid void]

Nice I'll have to check it out later

[pure bay]

i mean, idk everything, but ik some of it

need to lab more to get it all

[wet robin]

Do y'all like the girls mastery skins? Like is it worth the grind for them? Idk I really love their day of the dead skin probably my favorite right now even over the roudy ruff boys.

[vapid void]

I like the look of it

I grinded to master to nab it. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered

[vocal folio]

hell nah; just the masters

[somber cargo]

All but the gold skin

[pure bay]

no, u can dodge away if the move has already started

but if it has yet to do its first hit, and ur not in a position to jump, which is more than likely, ur prob gonna get hit no matter what

[pure bay]

theres a lot of whiff

its very ez to punish

the scenario btw i was thinking, is if u dodge the move too early

u kinda just cant play around it by running away, and in some instances, jumping

sometimes punishing ppg for throwing it out by dodging towards them is viable

oh trust me, its quite a lot

the move doesnt hv to have enough lag for u to run up and hit them with a combo of ur own, plat fighters dont work that way

theres just a lot of factors, and even so, throwing out dtilt in neutral is not gonna ever rlly win besides a read

thats what i mean by factors

it wont combo from too far away, unless u kinda just let them

it doesnt hit from above

and it still has lag, idk what you want me to tell u

like, sure, bats dtilt got nerfed, but its very active, also he has some of the best just, juggling and anit airing in the game, where he tends to punish u from trading with him

no? i never said it was balanced?

i said it has lag

like, beating u in the air

as a standalone move, its actually pretty bad

i said other moves, and no, thats not what anti airing is

think what u mean is air to air maybe? dunno

nah, not broken

its good i suppose

it was

countless times

and im saying its not

said it was good tho

it did just come back tho

but not that it matters all that much anyways

but why are you so adamant on calling out dtilts end lag?

[vocal folio]

:c

[pure bay]

very sad indeed

tho u gotta remember, its perspective

i dont rlly find their kit annoying, and u do, just gotta live with that, by which i mean the both of us

[vocal folio]

anyone wanna 1v1 🙈

[pure bay]

i could be down ig, tho u ok with eu?

dunno why people r saying it sux, its honestly not that bad

just doesnt fit his kit rlly well since nair, safe nerfs and auto tech

[vocal folio]

id be down to try it ye whats ur ign

[pure bay]

CatTired

nah, thats just the game

[vocal folio]

says ur offline

[pure bay]

lack of short hopping makes it hard

[pure bay]

thats because i am

im loading rn

[vocal folio]

oh ok

[pure bay]

u can inv

it dips down

honestly dont know why they did that

"a little" you say

[vocal folio]

i thought u were gonna be the girlz

[pure bay]

i can

yeah, its laggy 😔

[vocal folio]

sorry last one then

[pure bay]

nah, its fine

im just a baby

[vocal folio]

yeah switch pls 🩷

[pure bay]

what x3

[pure bay]

out of curiousity, why?

[vocal folio]

annoyed

[pure bay]

fair