Agent Smith

[rancid jasper]

yeah I've been doing those rifts day one
I remember being up early on agent smith day, like just as the rift opened

[river urchin]

I got him like an hour after release

[civic juniper]

I bought one of the gem exp things like once when they first came out but other than that I've been doing honest grinding

[rancid jasper]

I banged that out real quick, yeah like an hour

[river urchin]

Felt pretty quick

[stark anvil]

Rifts to me personally are by-far my favorite part of the game because I have a completionist part of me that forces me to do everything 100% in video games

And it's fun for me

But I can see how that's painful for others lol

[rancid jasper]

especially if you try to do it alone

cus some of those nodes are impossible single player

[faint zinc]

as long as they dont fix the morty bug honestly its probably gonna be the easiest rift

im more focused on the sub levels in the 1st, 4th, and 5th

[stark anvil]

Gonna be honest, not looking forward to this one. This is the only Insanity rift I actively struggled on.

[light ruin]

the rift bugs seem to be the only thing they fix

[faint zinc]

well morty can still up special the boss

so we're fine right now

[stark anvil]

Well yeah whether the competitive community likes to admit it or not (LOL) the Rifts are an essential part of the game

[faint zinc]

im getting it done asap though before it gets patched

[light ruin]

the bots already instant broke out but they even get out of superman grabs now 😭
and they took out superman emote on jump rope

[stark anvil]

They're what most casual players hop to

[rancid jasper]

speaking of rift bosses, I thought the agent smith one was actually really fun

[stark anvil]

And such heavy focus is on the rifts

[light ruin]

no casual player says "dang i really wanna play rifts today"

they all probably just wanted agent Smith

[faint zinc]

best part about it was in easy mode you can do bugs jab 1 for every single wave

[stark anvil]

And hey it worked!

[light ruin]

nah i cheated my way there

taxi'd to the bosses and did insanity first to level my gems immediately

[civic juniper]

Now the question is, will gems be reset into the next season, wasting anyone's money, or will we keep leveling them up

[stark anvil]

The Smith and the Dexter-Bot ones are by-far my favorite bosses in the game

[faint zinc]

yes

they will

[light ruin]

Both

[civic juniper]

And Killdozer over any future rifts that PFG throws your way

[light ruin]

they're introducing new gem types that trivializr the old ones

one is previewed ||and another one got leaked already||

so it won't be long before all 3 are replaced

[civic juniper]

[stark anvil]

Well here's the thing
I'm sure some of the Season 2 rifts could have themes which tie to current Gem varieties, I mean I don't know that but

I can see them repurposing (at least some of) these current varieties next season

[river urchin]

Leaks would suggest it

[stark anvil]

So I don't imagine they'll be reset

[civic juniper]

I think PFG did not plan out some things in advance

Let's just put it that way

[stark anvil]

Rather they'll just use these varieties less often so people don't breeze through rifts with high levels gems

[light ruin]

it's not really abuse if you grinded it

[stark anvil]

For example Pennywise got teased in yesterday's MVS stream

[civic juniper]

HUH

[stark anvil]

Wouldn't be shocked if they repurposed Horror for a rift based off him

[civic juniper]

Bro I thought Jason and Arya would be the limit

[stark anvil]

Yeah yesterday's stream in the back they had a whole bunch of merchandise and toys strewn about themed around each and every character

With the single exception of a Pennywise Funko Pop

(Funko Pop LOL)

[balmy galleon]

||Discipline||

[civic juniper]

If we get a Funko Pop level I would say something that would probably get me banned in here

[stark anvil]

Choice of merchandise used aside that's pretty neat

[civic juniper]

(This is a joke)

[balmy galleon]

One of the gem types leaked for next season.

[fresh goblet]

This smells an awful lot like samurai jacks gem

[balmy galleon]

It uses the exact same symbol as one in the show, lol.

[onyx sequoia]

They may be able to dodge it, but Smith is free to act during this which means you're able to punish the dodge if you're quick enough.

[proper mango]

now that i think about it. this makes sense with it being related to a character

besides banana guard every character released this season has a gem attached to it

[fresh goblet]

Oh this next season

My poor wallet...

[proper mango]

idk how i didnt realize this until now

chaos would be joker, horror would be jason, then tech obviously agent smith

[proper mango]

instantly copping samurai jack when he drops

[fresh goblet]

Knowing our luck, he'll be like smith

[wicked imp]

Does anyone know a good cheese strat for megalodog insanity difficulty?

[balmy galleon]

||Beetlejuice|| will also be the Smith-like Rift boss reward next season i think.

[fresh goblet]

Get your gems to level 15 to unlock jack

[proper mango]

yeah thats what ive heard

[proper mango]

i cant even get level 9 😭 💀

[fresh goblet]

I got them bois level 7 for smith, I haven't done a single rift since.

[lost prism]

wouldn't be surprised if they actually reset the gems next season ngl

[fresh goblet]

Id be so mad actually

[balmy galleon]

Good descision, tbh. I honestly think Jack will be the BP character like Jason.

[proper mango]

same

[fresh goblet]

Nah they wouldn't you can pay for gems, if they reset them without making that clear before hand, that's a lawsuit fs.

[proper mango]

thats exactly what ive been hearing. beetlejuice for the rifts and sj for the bp

[balmy galleon]

Also ||Aquaman|| will release, i'm guessing just as a normal character like Joker.

[fresh goblet]

Aqualad>>>>>aquaman

[stark anvil]

Smith's aerial down-special rocks

Gimping people off-stage with it is hilarious

[proper mango]

i mean current cast and future characters can fit into the gem types maybe the theme character changes idk

[stark anvil]

It's not something you'll be able to pull off often due to the fact that most people tend to recover higher-half of the stage rather than lower-half but

[proper mango]

i can totally see them keeping chaos for beetlejuice

[stark anvil]

It's still pretty cool

[proper mango]

feels amazing to spike with it i swear

[balmy galleon]

Chaos/Horror maybe? Beetlejuice is like baby's first horror movie.

[proper mango]

yeah i can see that

lmao i love this channel rn

its like general but minus the arguments and plus speculation without being absolutely chaotic

[balmy galleon]

Hate general-1 here, it's giga-toxic 24/7 and incredibly unhelpful.

[stark anvil]

Heehah yeah

[west barn]

sea of thieves community vs mvs general on who can be more toxic and unhelpful

[balmy galleon]

SoT? Of all games? Huh?

[proper mango]

any fighting game = toxic community

[west barn]

yk what that's fair

[stark anvil]

And the winner is
Every Smash-centric discord ever

Especially Melee

[faint zinc]

all im missing for the smith mu chart is marvin rick and stripe

[stark anvil]

[balmy galleon]

Especially Mortal Kombat, since it's the most casually mainstream FG. The official server is a MESS.

[proper mango]

i do wish though that this community was less toxic. This game is not as bad as people make it out to be

[stark anvil]

I'm in love with MVS
It's the only game to rival Smash in terms of polish and roster identity

[balmy galleon]

Same, i love this game.

Put in 188.2 hours since release, including maybe an hour or two of beta?

[proper mango]

same. Like let me have my silly little fighting game on a platform other than nintendo lol

[proper mango]

i probably have around the same ill have to check

ima check rn actually

[stark anvil]

The faults this game has are kinda things I have to work around with, like no game is perfect
After all Smash Ultimate doesn't have Bandana Waddle Dee it freakin' sucks smh my head!!

[balmy galleon]

217 Jason wins 💪

[west barn]

i think nasb 2's up there in that regard

[stark anvil]

I love NASB 2 personally I am very heavily biased towards it
I mean it brought El Tigre back from the dead

[proper mango]

the faults this game has is classic wb shenanigans. people argue that pfg sucks but pfg is like the most open dev team ive seen in a while

[balmy galleon]

The difference between SSBU and MVS for me is the speed and feel of the game, which is why MVS edges out SSBU just a bit more for me.

[stark anvil]

Anything with El Tigre in it strikes the right cords for me

[west barn]

i never watched el tigre but ive never heard anything bad about it

[stark anvil]

That's because Nick cancelled the show after the creator voiced its opinions in regards to SpongeBob dominating the channel through a piece of art LOL

[uncut forge]

El Tigre was my #1 pick for the game

[stark anvil]

Kinda like how they cancelled Making Fiends and stole the rights to the show from their original owner so nothing could be done with the characters again LOL

But yeah El Tigre is very obscure but very good

[proper mango]

yeah i got a little over 190 hrs total

[river urchin]

Gotta prep for looney 😭🙏

[proper mango]

like i see theres character currency and 250 gleamium for doin the final 10 bosses but like... do i want to do that?

[balmy galleon]

I mean, 250 Gleam is nothing to scoff at.

[river urchin]

There’s a smith skin I can flex

[balmy galleon]

Fighter Currency is also pretty hard to get.

[proper mango]

rifts is such a pain to grind through im really debating prepping for looney

[rancid jasper]

I really do want to get that matrix code smith, but damn rifts are hard

[faint zinc]

if the skin doesnt become purchaseable, itll definetly be the rarest skin in the game

the grind for it is insane

[fresh goblet]

I'ma have perchance carry me through the bosses 💪

[civic juniper]

[river urchin]

Wait wait wait. Before I even consider any of that you still have to apologize to me for earlier 🙁

[fresh goblet]

🫵

[river urchin]

THATS RIGHT YOU 🫵

[languid iris]

no IM one of the first

i got him 30 mins after release

[wicked imp]

Bro how did you beat insanity megalodog? He’s the last one I need to beat before I get Agent Smith

Do I just need to suck it up and grind even more than level 7 gems?

[subtle palm]

Boop

[stark anvil]

I could help you beat Megalodog on Insanity if you'd like.

[faint zinc]

the final boss for megalodog has to be the easiest level aside from the ones you can die in

simply because of morty up special

[twin geyser]

I’m pretty sure you can di it

[faint zinc]

if you read di perfectly

its inescapable

but you need to repeat it like 4 times so your opponent should be able to mixup enough to get out

1.32% chance to correclty read the di for the enitre combo

[wicked imp]

Nah I got it. Just decided to grind out to fill the meter and I got gem level 9 surprisingly on some of them. Thanks tho

[full nimbus]

Not to my knowledge i did against my friends who know what di is

[twin geyser]

If you di away I’m pretty sure you can’t hit the n special

Agent smith’s cheesy loops all depend on if they DI or not

[faint zinc]

if they di away you can do dash dair > gun

then it repeats the cycle

[twin geyser]

Depends on percentage for the dair if there’s Collision or not

[faint zinc]

well yeah obviously

[twin geyser]

And if there is collision with dair I would rather get a nair in at high percents

[faint zinc]

but jab 1 > utilt > hand cannon does 20% so keep that in mind

[twin geyser]

But I don’t see too many true agent smith combos right now, so cheesy loops it is 🤷‍♂️

[faint zinc]

well thats cuz you're in the multiversus discord

not the agent smith discord

[twin geyser]

How do you get invites to those things

[faint zinc]

multiversus pro server has every character discord that exists

[twin geyser]

Kay how do I get there

[faint zinc]

.gg/6XRtZfVK

[twin geyser]

Love you

[languid iris]

theres no agent smith channel there..

[twin geyser]

There is I’m in it

[faint zinc]

check character discords channel

[languid iris]

oh ty

[stark anvil]

What the heck
I wish I could share clips here but I'd have to drop them in the clips channel anyways I got this sick Smith kill I wanna show in a moment

[faint zinc]

ken you should join the smith discord

[river urchin]

Link it?

[faint zinc]

@river urchin

[river urchin]

Isn’t that the pro-cord

[faint zinc]

yeah but if you look in character discords it has almost every character's discord

including smiths

[river urchin]

Ohh I see my bad

[stark anvil]

#clips message Here we go

Honestly I had no clue something like this could happen but I was trying to record footage for a Smith compilation video and i'm SO glad I did

[faint zinc]

LMFAOOOOO

NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE

[rancid jasper]

I think I had something similar happen to me

[faint zinc]

I HAVE 500 WINS WITH THIS GUY AND IVE NEVER SEEN THAT

[proper mango]

that exact same thing happened to me earlier today only it wasnt for the end of the game lmao

[jagged crypt]

BRO GO TO SLEEP YOU BEEN UP FOR 40 HOURS QUIT BRAGGING ABOUT HAVING NO LIFE AND SLEEP

[faint zinc]

i slept for like 4 hours

im going to sleep in like 2 so

[proper mango]

nah ong bruh how u gonna get 500 wins with a new character that came out barley yesterday 😭

[jagged crypt]

That’s not enough you’re gonna die

[rancid jasper]

#clips message

[proper mango]

as agent smith himself would tell you touch some grass lmfao 💀

[faint zinc]

i just wanted to keep a decent sleep schedule so i can have breakfast tmr

[jagged crypt]

Bro needs to wake up from the matrix

And get back to real life

[faint zinc]

ong

[proper mango]

wake up from the matrix is wild

[faint zinc]

im almost done with the mu chart btw

[rancid jasper]

nah, I'm eepy

[proper mango]

ig maybe it has to do with charging up that up attack then

[faint zinc]

just need rick sanchez

[proper mango]

cuz thats how it happened to me

[rancid jasper]

its very silly

[stark anvil]

I promise i'm not good at the game i'm just good at making scenarios like this happen

[faint zinc]

thats just you hitting batmans foot

[proper mango]

or more so charging the up attack as someone is coming in from the top

[faint zinc]

which has priority

[rancid jasper]

it just looks so silly when it happens pff

[proper mango]

nah thats sum from agent smith causing the trade cuz aint no way

unless all of us are somehow hitting something else that has a higher priority

[rancid jasper]

it just always seems to happen with so much

[proper mango]

cuz yours happened with batman the other dudes happened with black adam and i believe mine happened with either a rick or ww im not 100% sure cuz it happened a couple hours ago lol

all ik is that it was neither of those two characters yall fought

[rancid jasper]

also I guess I never played at the right times because I have yet to have a four player agent smith match

I can't wait tho, its gonna be so fun

[proper mango]

ive only gone up against 2 people total who had smith

[stark anvil]

I've had three! in fact my first match with SMith was one!

[proper mango]

one was my first match on after getting him and another this morning

[rancid jasper]

I had a match with three smiths but not four yet

[stark anvil]

Two were 2v2s and one was an FFA

[proper mango]

mine were from 1s then 2s

[rancid jasper]

Smith channel

[proper mango]

Smith channel

[stark anvil]

lǝnnɒʜɔ ʜɈimƧ

[proper mango]

woah what the hell how did you do that lmao

[rancid jasper]

its the matrix power

[stark anvil]

As technology advances, so does my prominence in the scheme of things.

[rancid jasper]

one thing I wish smith could do is send the agent behind him, like how rick can send meeseeks forward or back

[jagged crypt]

Making the agent able to go backwards or jump straight up would be huge

[faint zinc]

i would love if he was able to go backwards

the amount of time i misinput him going the other way makes me infuriated

[jagged crypt]

Either backwards or make him last a little longer so he can turn around if I use him at the edge

[frozen garnet]

Just unlocked Smith, finally! Now time to cook

[wicked imp]

Ok, imma be real. I don’t really like the hand cannon perk

Smith doesn’t really have any armor breaking moves besides his clone which is pretty easy to avoid

[river urchin]

Forward attack into grab isn’t true right, I keep getting people with it….

I thought it wasn’t at first

[wicked imp]

Having multiple gunshots is just better for armor imo

[river urchin]

Unless my opponents are just stupid tonight

[wicked imp]

No

[faint zinc]

hand cannon is by far his best perk, though in mus where armor plays a big game in the opponent's gameplan, multishot is the way to go

[wicked imp]

The neutral attack grab is too slow to combo from his jab

[faint zinc]

jab 1 > utilt > nair is true though

[wicked imp]

I feel I use gun too often to even get use from it tbh

[river urchin]

Through what percents?

[wicked imp]

Jab 1 -> utilt is always true iirc

Idk when utilt nair is tho

[river urchin]

Looks around like 65-70 (actually maybe a little sooner)

[wicked imp]

The nair grab unfortunately isn’t very good

Slow startup and doesn’t have nearly the kill power you’d expect

[river urchin]

Yeah

[wicked imp]

It’s only use is being a bad armor break move

And instead of nair, you can get:
Jab 1 -> utilt -> dair -> sair

Which is more damage

Dair -> sair can also loop if you’re next to a wall

[faint zinc]

0 - 95

well

90

stops working at 95

[wicked imp]

At 95, you’re better off just going for jab 1 -> utilt -> uair

Which will often just kill

[faint zinc]

yeah

but its cool to know it works until 90

[wicked imp]

On which character?

[river urchin]

Gotcha

[wicked imp]

Shaggy?

I imagine the window will be very different depending on character

[river urchin]

Do you guys use the neutral special a lot?

I find myself doing it a ton

[faint zinc]

my ass is not testing it on every character

its already a tight window

[faint zinc]

yes

hand cannon is a top 5 move in the entire game

its extremely op

and defines smith's neutral in most cases

[wicked imp]

Yeah his gun is easily his best move and it’s not close

[river urchin]

Yeah I’ve done some nasty stuff with Hand Cannon it is insane

[wicked imp]

Can you imagine if the gun traveled full screen like Stripe’s lmao

[faint zinc]

#combos message

[lime vale]

I still need to grind rifts to get Smith

[rancid jasper]

one thing I've noticed while playing and watching agent smith, I feel like he has so many more sound effects playing then anyone else
like any move has some very noticeable sound effect going on apart from the usual swish from punches and swords

[zenith basin]

Smith has some crazy sauce holy moly

[hushed plank]

I was fighting against the streamer with agent smith, and that poor man just got destroyed😭

[gaunt hatch]

Jab u tilt gun true?

[faint zinc]

Yes

[topaz trench]

bs

[topaz galleon]

chat does this 0 to death actually work

[eager vector]

jab 1 > jab 2 > jab 3 is a true 0 to death

[median grotto]

ehhhhhhh

there's less janky ways to go about it

but I don't see anything that would be that dumb to connect

gun dair gun dair jab 1 is a little sus tho

[vernal turret]

ok, I need to ask

...can one of you homies who did the 20 bosses help a brother out by just lettin me join you and beat the bosses to speedrun this damn thing

[hallow stag]

omg

you can dash jump in the air in this game

[vernal turret]

mhm

[hallow stag]

jab, up atk, dash jump up atk kill confirm at 100

but you need 3 bars

[vernal turret]

Snake help a brother out

oh right theres a lfg channel

[stark bramble]

This character is seriously fun

People need to use the clone more it's insane

[cyan vessel]

while he has great combo game, it would have been cool to have seen them add a sort of matrix style auto-dodge mechanic to certain moves (like how characters have SA moves) that would if the dodge gets triggered depletes the dodge bar by a set amount, (like 25% so 4 autos) cant trigger while dodge bar is empty/grey and he'd counter with a quick jab like attack for low damage knock away (as to not abuse for combos) or with one fire from his gun (if he had bullets), his side special is something that could use that, well more like how harley's "smooth moves" acts but actually consumes the gauge if triggered and slightly more frames probably

I know sounds over powered but it actually adds more things to keep track of with the usage of the dodge gauge. Just something I though about and feels like to some degree he should have had 🤣

[dire star]

Is the slow-mo side special a perk?

[median grotto]

if they go for Neo eventually, they'd essentially be making him retroactively less unique by giving it to Smith.

[cyan vessel]

imo they both should have that mechanic, its not like only one character has moves that grant SA.
the whole thing with both Agents and Neo is that they were able to to dodge supernaturally. As in the first movie Trinity says "You moved like they do".
I think while they should have this mechanic it would be applied to different moves and if/when Neo is added he would have a different way of playing due to different moves and combos while having the let me call it "Matrix mechanic"

[zinc hearth]

when do we get the character in the shop?

[rancid jasper]

never (end of the season)

[cyan vessel]

supposedly 2 week after he was obtainable (so like 12~ more days)

[zinc hearth]

if your teamate also plays smith he should do the "me too" voice line

[cyan vessel]

lol

[zinc hearth]

you know the one right?

[cyan vessel]

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-gif-22156354

[zinc hearth]

will there be more character interactions in the future?

[cyan vessel]

gifs dont work but that

[zinc hearth]

yeah would be perfect for coop encouters

even if its an opponent

https://tenor.com/view/agent-smith-matrix-shrug-men-in-suit-gif-5610691

multiplayer lobbies after smith unlocks in the shop

[rancid jasper]

I do hope someday to see all lobby smiths pff

[stark anvil]

Good morning all!

[cyan vessel]

mornin

[rancid jasper]

I find I have a hard time fighting players who only run away from you
how do I fight that
I guess mostly as smith but kinda in general too
cus I fought a rick and shaggy who only ran away and I lost, but I just fought a wonder woman who actually engaged and won with ease

[faint zinc]

Watch how they run away and punish it

Using dash jabs, aerial down special, side special

If you corner them you can go with grounded down special

[light ruin]

Morty

[wicked imp]

Well, I didn’t have Morty unlocked but I managed to beat it after grinding out to gem level 9

I’m guessing you just call Morty’s ship and megalodog is carried into the top blast zone?

[stark bramble]

Seems like running away is kind of better than attacking straight on in this game right now
Characters like Shaggy will be rewarded for running away because they can easily set up their kick and then run away and do it again
Rick can straight up camp and spam his blaster to rack up damage

Best thing you can do is try to force them into burnout and punish them then

[light ruin]

Yes

[wicked imp]

When most characters run away, they are giving up stage control and limiting their options. Don’t chase someone who is running away because they’re likely just waiting for you to whiff something and then punish you for it. Instead, stay at a mid range while closing the gap and punish them for giving up stage control and needing to burn resources to get back to stage. With Agent Smith, the best way I’ve found to do this is to abuse gun’s large hitbox which will beat out any non-armored move when timed properly. You can also call out them running away with side special which has significantly more range than you’d think, but that option is more risky. You can also limit their options even more by sending out a clone on the ground and punishing their inevitable jump to avoid it

[raw bough]

AITA for spamming gun at ledge to edgeguard someone until they get Wall Fatigue and die

[wicked imp]

Certain characters are way better at running away and camping than others. You can easily punish Shaggy for camping because he doesn’t have long ranged tools to effectively do so, so just read his habits and kill him for it. Rick on the other hand has a ton of projectiles, so it’s way more difficult to stop him from camping

[maiden bridge]

Air down special is the best for cook

[wicked imp]

I hit someone yesterday with off stage dair to air down special and they just exploded off the bottom

Pretty satisfying

[maiden bridge]

Yeaaah its like doing a reverse mortal but looking dang cool lol

[lunar prawn]

Agent smith 72 damage combo #combos message .
Doesnt include loops and is di full proof

[wicked imp]

Would you be able to combo the downwards gunshot into sair and then side special instead of nair?

I’m at work so I can’t test it

[calm loom]

I got him

[lunar prawn]

Let me try it

[lunar prawn]

Yea I don’t think it works. #clips message i tried 5 times maybe im doing wrong but i believe you can only hit sair into side special true from a stage bounce hitstun

[hazy flare]

^ is correct
You can also end combos with n special downwards into side special because of stage bounce

[wicked imp]

Oof alright, good to know

[stark anvil]

Three stocked a Morty with Smith, man that felt great

I despise fighting Morty with every fiber of my being, and it's not even just the character, rather the fact that for some reason most of his mains are by-far the most toxic players of the game

Which is ironic when taking into consideration just how much of a pacifist and non-confrontational Morty is in canon lol

[wicked imp]

They added 10 extra whiff lag frames to dirt and it’s still like a top 5 best move in the game

[stark anvil]

I KNOW RIGHT

[maiden bridge]

Let me guess "dodging and earth wall spam gaming" right? Jsjsjs

[onyx sequoia]

The Pacifist in question

But fr tho they consistently teabag & salt the most.

I'm halfway considering just Alt + F4 everytime I run into a Morty online.

[onyx sequoia]

It's crazy I expected to actually be able whiff punish that move now.

Silly me.

[onyx sequoia]

That's the funny part.
He's saying the wrong element.
It's supposed to be dirt not earth. They had it right in the beta.😭
PFG watched too much ATLA

[zenith basin]

They wont be adding Neo

[fresh goblet]

smh hating in the smith chat too?

[zenith basin]

No it's just I doubt they'll add Neo as a new character

And Keanu Reaves I'm pretty sure doesn't like his representation in games, even if he has a few Fortnite skins

[fresh goblet]

he loves being in games, he talks about it a lot in cyberpunk interviews.

[zenith basin]

Nvm then we'll maybe get Neo for season 2

Unless he's just given to us as a skin because they can't figure out a unique kit, but I'm sure there's lots to work with

[fresh goblet]

itd be more pfg to give it to us as a skin fr

[wicked imp]

What would Neo’s moveset even look like?

How would you differentiate it from Smith?

[zenith basin]

I mean he could have flight similar to BAs

He could do that cool Kung-Fu kick they like using

Where they float and then do that little thing with their hands

[fresh goblet]

this could be cool for neo, or really any character, a counter on parry.

[wicked imp]

Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of a parry tho?

Like when you parry, you can then hit any move

[fresh goblet]

no i mean

if you parry someone, it does like an auto attack,

[wicked imp]

Joker’s neutral special is a counter

[fresh goblet]

like a link skill

could be a cool signature perk

[wicked imp]

I know what you mean, but I don’t think it’d be useful

And what happens if you parry a projectile?

What about the parry reflect perk?

[fresh goblet]

itd do the attack and wiff probably, and that perk? 🥱

what about that perk?

[wicked imp]

I don’t think any character would want a parry counter

[fresh goblet]

thats okay, but i think itd be pretty cool

[wicked imp]

You’re just always better landing a dedicated combo starter off of parry

[wicked imp]

Idk I find counters to be pretty boring. Like all the Fire Emblem characters having counters in Smash is boring because they could’ve gotten a unique move instead

The only character with an interesting counter in Smash is Incineroar

[fresh goblet]

I just think that sometimes parries can be pretty awkward to get chains off of, esp in air, id def prefer a counter parry sig perk or smth.

that way its not like a forced feature.

[wicked imp]

I’d prefer something more akin to a damage absorb ability to charge some sort of super move

Some sort of revenge mechanic

[zenith basin]

He could have an ability similar to Jokers handshake

[wicked imp]

Yeah but that’s boring

That’s just “you hit me but I hit you back because counter”

[zenith basin]

Like in The Matrix where he stops bullets in the air, he can do the same with projectiles in this game and reflect them or use them to charge an ability like WW

[wicked imp]

The ability to reflect projectiles on command would be a cool idea

You’d definitely need to find a good way to balance that tho

Otherwise it’d make zoners just insta-lose

[zenith basin]

Zoners are too strong anyways they deserve to lose

[drifting osprey]

Oh cool, there's a Smith channel now

[river urchin]

How do I beat out insanely passive players that just try to whiff punish?

Not just with smith in general also

[stark anvil]

No way Morty reference!!

In genuine seriousness though, it just kinda happens whenever

[dreamy zodiac]

Play the same game, that's just unfortunately how the game is meant to be played right now. Unless you can pressure from a distance via projectiles or disjoints, trying to approach will get you punished.

[cedar root]

does anything combo out of hiS down attack? (on ground)

[faint zinc]

good kill confirm is down special > charged utilt

you can also do down gun and start a gun loop

or you could go for uair

or nair

or dair

basically a free combo tool if you hit it

best way to use it though is whiff punishing and getting utilt out of it

[hazy flare]

only if you get a wall bounce

[cedar root]

his down attack

[cedar root]

alright ty

[onyx sequoia]

Wanna see a neat trick?

[onyx sequoia]

Joker's counter isn't that great to be honest.

but the animation is pretty cool.

And the multiple hits allows your team mate to follow up pretty easy.

What would you change to spice things up if Neo got a parry?

[crisp lark]

Now I don't know but I feel if he had a special property about his dodge being if he successfully parried a projectile it would add slow to the opponent so it's as if he was moving faster then them

[onyx sequoia]

Funny you mentioned that.

[zenith basin]

Jokers counter is great wdym

If put against a spammer because of no SBMM, it makes the match even more trivial than ever before

It's a solid edge guard tool if someone tries to hit you with an up attack while climbing the wall (and kills decently well too!)

If you just stand around doing nothing but waiting for your opponent to approach, they'll often be a free counter

It's such a fun move

[twin geyser]

Yeah it’s like my favorite move from him

So good to pull out in almost any situation

[prime oak]

It combos from jab2 aswell

It has its uses

The only joker move that’s really bad is ground down special

[wicked imp]

This character is so sick

[cedar barn]

yea hes pretty cool

just got him

[wicked imp]

Zero to death’ed a Marvin. He instantly quit lmao

Not a guaranteed zero to death I should add

[zenith basin]

Almost Joker tier

Top 5 character fr

[onyx sequoia]

I wasn't trying to say it's not fun I just didn't think it was that great. 🤷‍♀️

Like 2/3 of the uses you gave for it only work if your opponent doesn't mixup their options or use an armor break to OS the counter.

[zenith basin]

Its strong in many situations though

[onyx sequoia]

Please lead with those....

[zenith basin]

Which I did

Obviously it'l lose to armor break

[onyx sequoia]

Spammers aren't exactly a great use case.

It's just bad player being bad.

You don't need a counter to beat that.

[zenith basin]

Yeah but its funny

Solid edge guard tool like I said

Jab 1 also combos into it

And jts a strong kill move

[onyx sequoia]

And people trying to shark you at ledge is somewhat common.
But good players won't use something you can react to for their abare
It's another coin flip and if they delay it or don't do anything at all or pick a grab/armor break

Your ledge trap is just gone.

Or worse you get punished.

[onyx sequoia]

Thank you. 🤝

[zenith basin]

What character has an upwards grab/armor break?

[onyx sequoia]

....

[zenith basin]

Bugs ig

[onyx sequoia]

Man we just forgot Supes was in this game huh...

[zenith basin]

Superman mains all suck

[onyx sequoia]

Don't blame you.

[zenith basin]

Good superman players dont exist

[west barn]

have not ran into a single good superman yes

[modern salmon]

So cool how they made his entire moveset without watching the movie

Remember when agent smith made clones in the second one and had a cool 100 clone fight against neo? pfg doesnt bc they didnt watch that movie.

So happy we got the bug that never comes into the plot beyond the first act over assimilation and got him calling an agent friend instead of a clone and him having 6 gun moves as if gun fu is a matrix thing instead of a john wick thing.

[wicked imp]

How would you have made his moveset? What specific moves would your version of Agent Smith have?

[modern salmon]

I think it even kinda feels like they tweaked it last minute. Replace stupid first act bug with assimilate. Low damage , high risk, high reward in that hitting it adds a clone to your jab and to your up and down attacks. Should be like face steal where you can use it do get extra damage version of your normals via clone multihit. Down special is so funny because even screen rant calls it his clone bc why tf would pfg not use clones in his moveset... It should just be a clone of him.

Could also be fun if him using assimilate to get a clone stack gave him a second shot on his neutral special

He lost so much sauce to be a shooty punchy businessman when he absolutely is not

[zenith basin]

That movie was ass anyways

The first movie was the only genuinely good one

The second was okay

The third was less than okay

[modern salmon]

I think part of the charm of matrix is that it kinda sucks but it is cool

The plot doesnt go anywhere

[zenith basin]

The fourth was a sin

[modern salmon]

But the fights are cool

[wicked imp]

That one was intentionally sabotaged to be bad

[modern salmon]

They legitimately forgot their story in the second one bc morpheus fights like 2 agents at the same time with swords when the whole point of them coveting neo was that he was the only one who could fight them lol

[wicked imp]

The writers I heard didn’t want to dig up the matrix from the grave to cash out on nostalgia, so they purposely wrote it poorly

[zenith basin]

Neo stops being The One and it's Trinity instead and Trinity also comes back to life after dying with a piece of metal through her chest or something like that

[wicked imp]

Yeah, it’s bad on purpose

Like I said

The writers didn’t want to make it

So they made it flop at the box office

[zenith basin]

The writers did a little trolling

[modern salmon]

Matrix the kinda film series you go "wow they didnt take any notes while filming these movies, they make a new canon every iteration" and still enjoy

How did agent smith upload to a human being? Wouldn't this be like the end of neo's team's journey if the machines figured out they can just hack into their brains?

[zenith basin]

Agent Smith was freed from the machines or something like that

He was acting separately from them

[modern salmon]

Pretty cool how neo also had like the ability to use matrix powers in real life like twice and then never used them again

[hazy flare]

It became literal Deus Ex Machina

[zenith basin]

He had the ability at the end of the second movie and every non-Matrix scene we saw him in he used them

The third movie was so silly

Most of it didn't even happen in the matrix

And most of it didn't revolve around Neo either

[modern salmon]

I need to watch the animatrix

Such a silly concept

Scream if you love THE MATRIX

[modern salmon]

Nobody screamed

[west barn]

my scream was delayed due to netcode

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[prime oak]

its not his clone because that would be confusing

this game has 2v2 and allows multiple of the same character

[modern salmon]

Thats a lazy excuse that doesnt even make sense lol. The difference between them rn is literally just the head. They barely even tried to make them that different as is. No world where that would ever even be a problem but even then... Just give the clones green glasses or smth

[prime oak]

if anything using the same model would be lazy dawg

[modern salmon]

It is the same model it is just a different head lol

Like legit they are the same

Its so funny bc like a ton of videos still call it a clone... Even though it isnt bc multiversus didn't watch the second movie to give him his most iconic power

And the agent stays out for so short a time nobody would get confused thinking it was agent smith

[frozen garnet]

The Glock is such a good move man

🔫

[modern salmon]

It is a desert eagle 🦅

[hushed plank]

I now have 400 wins with agent smith…. SOS

[zenith basin]

Go outside 😭

Its been like 3 days 😭

[hushed plank]

Agent smith once told me

Touch grass

Road to 1000 wins under a week😃

[weak sun]

I’m confused, does the gun signature perk just not work in training?

It doesn’t seem to have the sweet spot thing in training, but it still makes the gun shoot only once

[fresh goblet]

He's so new, I imagine most of these come from MU checking people

Since no one understands bros spacing yet

[hushed plank]

Right, I had few people understanding his ability and knew how to counter him, but it gets challenging once they know

[fresh goblet]

Smith's kill options are a little yikes

But he's good for DMG as most bruisers are

He's amazing in 2s his 1s potential is up there but nothing insane.

[hushed plank]

Fr even in a 2v2 he can be good if two people are beside each other and use the dive attack to hit them both

[weak sun]

His teleport up special has some nice kill potential at least

Only issue is it’s telegraphed for exactly where he’ll end up

[hushed plank]

Right and I seen insane gameplay with the teleport, and the enemies goes right towards it

I never get to do it cause he keeps diving attack even tho I don’t want to

[weak sun]

You probably have some stick drift, if I had to guess from just that information you said

[hushed plank]

Probably cause everytime I’m hitting someone it keeps going the other way, mostly the grabs

[fresh goblet]

Nah you can get jabbed out of it with neutrals while TPing that move sucks

[weak sun]

I mean, you can, but I’ve honestly gotten extreme value from the times I can pull it off

[fresh goblet]

I've never seen a up special get out prioritized by a neutral jab.

It's actually insane

I hope that move gets fixed

Cause as of rn it's really not the greatest unless used for punish on stamina reset.

[weak sun]

I’ve used it a lot to punish people missing up air attacks

Namely people trying to do the Joker balloon

[zenith basin]

Apparently he has a 0td

Allegedly

So I've heard

[zenith basin]

Is 3 business days of endlag not an issue? If someone dodges it, they get a free hit

It also doesnt work as recovery because you're just begging to be spiked

[weak sun]

I honestly haven’t run into people dodging it, probably more has to do with the lobbies I’m getting on NAE

[hushed plank]

Out of no where 300 more wins appeared so 700😃 so crazy how it happened

[zenith basin]

Go outside PLEASE

[faint zinc]

yo someone passed me? crazy

[hushed plank]

ITS MIDNIGHT😭

[weak sun]

🔦

[hushed plank]

About to come back and finish it at 1000 when I get some sleep

[hushed plank]

Thank you

Midnight walk

[weak sun]

No problem, now you can go for your midnight walk c:

[zenith basin]

I go for a 15km run every night at exactly midnight you should too

[hushed plank]

Definitely

[hidden whale]

what s better hand cannon or use the clone stun ?

[fierce ibex]

Agent Smith is fun to play in training

might be my 3rd main

[torn raptor]

what's the main bnb again?

[cold plume]

what's the loop?

[median grotto]

At mid % you can do Jab 1, Uptilt, jump dair, neutral special aimed down

[cold plume]

ty

[hazy flare]

Dair doesn't force a ground bounce as consistently as doing jab1 -> up attack -> neutral special downwards
The timing is a little tighter on that version because of an issue of holding down and jumping after up attack, but it's still definitely achievable

Once you hit like 40 you can start doing dair

[cold plume]

ohh alright ty

[fading cloud]

Yo

Is anyone having a glitch where there double jump is randomly gone?

Im not experiencing this with any other character

[river urchin]

Happened to me once yesterday

[onyx girder]

You can't double jump with him during a fast fall, it just instantly cancels the animation

Definitely a bug

[rancid jasper]

the game just went down for maintenance
maybe they're nerfing looney rifts so its more realistic to get the matrix code agent smith :D (copium)

[topaz trench]

they nerfed jumping after jab 1

12 frames on hit

[jagged crypt]

thats fine

[proper mango]

whats the hotfix for

[proper mango]

just this? along with other character changes?

[jagged crypt]

they made rifts easier. i think smiths infinite is harder or removed. his jump now works like everyone elses (ig it didnt before) and some bug fixes with desync and dodging

[fading cloud]

oh wow

[proper mango]

i couldnt pull off smiths infinites anyway

cool

[jagged crypt]

yeah

his regular combos are unchanged probably

[proper mango]

also do you happen to know how they made rifts easier? just curious

[onyx girder]

Just got fixed with this update

[fading cloud]

it's listed in the patch notes

[fading cloud]

Ngl how does that glitch even happen, do they not playtest?

[fading cloud]

https://multiversus.com/en/news/1-07-patch-notes

[proper mango]

cool thanks

[onyx girder]

I'm sure they do, some just take much larger priority than others

Plus with him being 2 weeks early access I wouldn't be surprised if they see it as a testing period before he goes live to everyone

[proper mango]

ik hes for sure getting nerfed eventually i just hope it isnt anything too crazy

[wicked imp]

Doing the one Age of Smith rift with the CPUs having thorns on insanity difficulty was kind of ridiculous, so glad they changed that

I can only imagine how impossible it would be on loony

[cyan vessel]

i feel like some moves need nerfs but other of his moves need to be buffed or reworked, is up special feels slow and should have a couple of dodge frames and his neutral attack is the slowest in the game despite being incredible powerful

[wicked imp]

Were people abusing jab 1 into stuff before? I thought Smith’s loop was jab 1 -> utilt -> dair -> gun down

[wicked imp]

I don’t think his up special has any i-frames at all because I’ve definitely been hit mid teleport

[proper mango]

i could never even get jab1 into utilt. Everyone kept dodging out of that when i was trying stuff

[raw bough]

Ah, I was hoping Smith's little wall issue would be fixed but it's not. When you let go of the wall with Smith, you can't immediately cancel the wall release animation with an attack like every other character can.

[cyan vessel]

I said it should have them, it should be more like jasons side special where he gets like 2 frames going into the mist

[wicked imp]

I noticed sometimes jab 1 had significantly less hitstun than normal, but most times it worked fine. Idk why it’s a bit inconsistent

[proper mango]

yeah thats what i meant. If he gets nerfs i want his nerfs to be how they did ww in the previous one along with some reworks to the stuff you mentioned

[wicked imp]

Oh I know I’m agreeing

[cyan vessel]

oh lol

my bad

[wicked imp]

Jason mist is exactly the move I said it should be comparable to

Like a day or two ago

[proper mango]

thing about the teleport move is that it can get hella early kills it hits like crazy

[wicked imp]

I mean kinda I guess. Other characters hit way harder with certain moves, but like it is decently powerful

[cyan vessel]

true but what are the odds to hit honestly? its slow enough to see it coming a mile away

[proper mango]

yeah thats the only issue

[wicked imp]

Practically zero lmao

[proper mango]

if theyre like 50 or 60 it sends them flying but its so damn hard to pull off might as well do something else anyway

[wicked imp]

It’s like a worse Superman punch

[cyan vessel]

^

[proper mango]

would be a good ledge guard recovery if you couldn't get hit mid teleport or literally the frame you get out of it

[cyan vessel]

with a very big audio que that its happening too

[proper mango]

every time im being ledge guarded i go into up special since thats how a lot of characters can get out of that but i get hit cuz its the damn teleport move 💀

[wicked imp]

Using his up special isn’t even worth it

Just spam uair and drift back to stage

Or side special

[cyan vessel]

yup

[wicked imp]

I think I’ve gotten spiked almost every time I’ve tried to use it to recover

[cyan vessel]

because its easy read

you know...its so slow and bad I could say it'd be fair to make the crosshair invisible to the opponents 🤣

[wicked imp]

But you’d still need to see it offline tho

Just give it some invincibility

[cyan vessel]

i-frames def

[cyan vessel]

wait do people actually play offline with others..like on the same machine?
huh didnt know people do that on this game (dispite knowing it is capable of doing so)

[wicked imp]

I mean, offline tournaments

[raw bough]

Oh I was a little wrong, it's not that other characters can cancel their wall-release animation, it's that they don't even have one. They just reset to neutral/idle. But when Smith lets go of the wall, it plays his wall-grab animation in reverse and he can't attack during it lol

[wicked imp]

But I don’t even think you have all the characters unlocked by default offline, so I doubt there’s any offline events anymore

Stupid change and idk why they did that going from beta to relaunch

[wicked imp]

Wack

[jagged crypt]

Teleport would have more utility if you could aim it faster

[proper mango]

would also have more utility if you couldn't get smacked mid teleport

[undone slate]

just enrolled into smith academy

(they removed the health regen of ww & smith on the smith rift)

[zenith basin]

It would have more utility if it did anything other than kill on a good read

Maybe it would be better if you could buffer it for 3 years like Superman and his sniper punch that kills you at 2%

[long grove]

Oh hey they made some tweaks to smith

[zenith basin]

They gutted Smith 😔

[cursive crest]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-agent-smith-gif-23935709

[river urchin]

Any Smithers in chat?

[jagged crypt]

I don’t mind it needed a read bc I feel like smith is one of those guys that you NEED to read with anyways and I’m fine with that

I’m a reader

[cursive crest]

Someone feels like being in a movie with Agent Smith gameplay?

I feel so good playing with him

[proper mango]

insanely fun to play

[cyan vessel]

still wish they did more with him though, like the auto dodge (Matrix dodge) that I was talking about yesterday. could make him feel more unique and added more factors to consider while playing with him

[onyx sequoia]

Dang

And I almost considered watching this franchise. :/

Lego Movie should suffice tho.

Who's hoping they didn't add Neo so they could add Emmet?

[zenith basin]

Its worth the watch

I liked the fight scenes in the second and third movies better than the first

No reason not to watch

The fourth movie is ass though

Doesn't even follow the same plot as the first 3

[past root]

damn I feel a bit sorry how me and another Smith piled on two Bugs Bunny on FFA xD
sent everyone toasts but it just felt thematic

[past root]

tbf the trilogy is good
as I always say just skip the rave 20 mins on the 3rd one

[languid iris]

im 30 mins into watching the matrix and the shrimp in stomach thing caught me offguard

the movie mixing is terrible, i can barely hear anything their saying i dont think im gonna keep watching its a weird movie

[wicked imp]

You should. It’s good. Sure the second and third might not be as good as the first, but the entire concept of Agent Smith is done really well across the whole trilogy

Just uhh don’t watch the 4th one. It doesn’t exist lmao

[zenith basin]

The 4th one isnt even part of the same canon

[cyan vessel]

is the 4th that bad?
i dont even know how they pull it off... seeing how the 3rd ended

[cyan vessel]

well technically it can be..its just...it'd be..dumb if they went for that route

[zenith basin]

It is

[wicked imp]

It was intentionally sabotaged by the writers to be specifically bad for matrix fans because they didn’t want to write a matrix movie and were forced to because of everyone else in the movie industry digging up old IPs from the grave

[zenith basin]

Trinity comes back to life and becomes the one for no reason

Garbage plot

[wicked imp]

They purposely ruined pretty much every character arc in the movie

[zenith basin]

Based

[wicked imp]

Honestly tho yeah it is

The matrix trilogy still holds up to this day. No need for a reboot

[languid iris]

hey guys

i havent watched all of agent smith'

i mean matrix]

is he evil? if so why

[wicked imp]

It’s the same with Disney “reviving” Star Wars to make the 3 worst movies in the series by far except debatably episode 1 because of how bad of an actor young Anikan was

[wicked imp]

He’s a program in the matrix designed to keep the matrix running smoothly and crush any sort of resistance (aka Neo and the gang), but he becomes corrupted and starts taking over the entire matrix in the sequels like a virus

But the people he’s infecting are real humans, so he’s still a bad guy even if the matrix itself is bad because it’s designed to keep humans enslaved

I don’t wanna spoil too much because the matrix is actually a good trilogy and I’d recommend watching it yourself

[chilly spade]

I still like how the ancient artifact knife was cut out to the shape of the crash sight less than 50 years prior

Of the current events happening

Peak writing

[tawny berry]

Why is smith labeled as an assassin here when he’s listed as a bruiser in every single other place?

[wicked imp]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[rancid jasper]

I was doing good against a wonder woman
until she remembered she was playing wonder woman

[wicked imp]

They need to fix Smith’s neutral attack/nair because it’s currently the only grab that isn’t treated as an armor break

It even has the purple armor break effect

[rancid jasper]

also the upper cut is just, wacky

#clips message

things like this keep happening

[zenith basin]

Smith is strong enough as is tbh his only downsides are a lack of ranged attacks and no way to deal with armor

What they need to fix is his up special

I should NOT get hit mid teleport

Jason doesn't

[wicked imp]

This too

Smith is fine. He’s not OP but he’s not weak

[waxen timber]

That's what I've been thinking. With how slow it is with your hurtbox always there, you're more vulnerable. You're better off using that as a high risk high reward attack option. It can sometimes hit your opponent across when you try to recover with it, but that's it

[wicked imp]

But two of his moves are just not worth using (up special and ntilt/nair)

[languid iris]

awesome sauce

[waxen timber]

I feel he's low A tier, high B tier imo

[wicked imp]

Up special is just bad because it has no invincibility

Ntilt/nair just straight up doesn’t work as intended due to a bug

[wicked imp]

I agree

He seems to struggle hitting small characters from my experience

But he can easily combo the big ones

[waxen timber]

What bug? I've found it quite useful for semi-early kills

[south ermine]

It sometimes just doesn't have knockback

[wicked imp]

It doesn’t break armor

Like it kinda does, but it doesn’t

[waxen timber]

Ohhhh yeah, I forgot about that. You're better off attempting to hit Jab 3 for armor moves or have more than one bullet in the chamber

[rancid jasper]

I love to combo agent into the bug, its fun

[wicked imp]

Most notable in the Jason matchup where Smith literally has no option besides jab 3 (lol good luck) to beat Jason rage

[waxen timber]

I find it funny now whenever we talk about bugs, it could now be confused among three things: Game Bugs, Bugs Bunny, and the Matrix Bug Smith has

[south ermine]

there's also a range where his hand will do damage to you without actually starting the neutral grab

[wicked imp]

True lol

[wicked imp]

That’s fun

[waxen timber]

I actually find Jason a struggle to fight if they consitently use Neutral Special because of this

[wicked imp]

Yeah Smith legitimately loses that matchup imo

[waxen timber]

But at the same time, Jason needs it because of every other character

[wicked imp]

Jason is actually good now tho. The hitbox fixes were huge

His jab actually matches the animation now

[waxen timber]

Good, but still combo food. Compared to everyone else in the roster, he's a high C tier, low B tier

[wicked imp]

He’s B tier imo

Jake, Velma, and Lebron all still need help and are the definitive bottom 3

Jake sair is at least more consistent, but Velma megaphone was also stealth nerfed along side its buff (they lowered the range again) and Lebron is still literally helpless without basketball and his space control with one isn’t even that great

[zenith basin]

His neutral attack is strong as a kill move
Ground down b combos into it, if that move ever does land

[rapid epoch]

Did anyone finish the rifts to get to agent smith? I'm on Teir 17 and I don't feel like grinding for the other 3

[wicked imp]

It’s more worth it to go for charged utilt to uair which kills earlier and isn’t position dependent

But his clone while offering great reward isn’t really that good because it’s a little too easy to avoid and doesn’t last long at all compared to something like Rick’s meeseeks

[waxen timber]

What main Perk to yall use for Agent Smith? I like to use the one where the Clone holds them in place so I can just walk up and Neutral Attack with the bug

[faint zinc]

hand cannon 100%

i only use freeze perk on matchups with armor like jason ww or superman

only for multishot effect on gun

[south ermine]

If you aren't using the freeze perk for its main purpose you might as well go 5%

[frozen garnet]

Hand cannon goes crazy

🔫

[jolly mural]

need to give the hand cannon a try

[zenith basin]

Hand cannon is his only good sig imo
Doesn't affect combo game much but gives you a strong kill option, or so I've heard idk the sweet spot is probably there but doesn't seem to make a noise

[jolly mural]

pretty sure the sweet spot is at the tip of the line

[zenith basin]

Yeah it should be and I've hit it before even with extra ammo but it just doesn't make the ting

[waxen timber]

There's a tiny circle where it is when you have enough ammo

Though I assume the hitbox is bigger than the visual

Also, just went 4 - 1 against a Finn using Agent Smith. Idk if that's saying anything or not, but it felt like an equal match tbh

[wicked imp]

5% but I haven’t experimented enough with the others

[waxen timber]

Reindog kinda counters Agent Smith. Either that or I'm terrible at fighting Reindog. I got 3 stocked twice in a row by a Solo Reindog

[wicked imp]

I think the Reindog playerbase is just much higher skilled on average because no one plays him, so the few remaining players are the ones dedicated enough to be good with him

That being said, I’ve never played a Reindog as Smith

So I can’t really comment on the matchup

[modern salmon]

Still mad they made agent smith a gun centric character and totally ignored his clone power

[frozen garnet]

That’s the exact reason I love smith being a gun archetype character 🗿💀

🔫

[faint zinc]

its smith's best mu

skill diff if im being real

[waxen timber]

How

[waxen timber]

His projectiles are so annoying to deal with tbh

[faint zinc]

his projectiles suck and hand cannon just outranges everything he has

the only thing he has ihn that mu is crystal camping

as long as you just stay just out of his burst range he literally cannot hit you

[waxen timber]

How do I get out of range when the stage is the range?

[ancient hollow]

i love. gun.

[west barn]

pfg's usually pretty good at maintaining character identity in its movesets but it just aint it for smith

[young plank]

Agent smith for me its pretty balanced he dont need an nerf

He needs an buff on his up special aim speed

To read even faster and predict the dodge

Agent smith its solid his combo game its strong but can be punish and di, its like tom and jerry combo but more powerfull

[lost bluff]

what are his best perks

[rancid jasper]

pretty much the same as everyone, snowball, pugilist and whatever you want as that middle one, probably speed

[hidden whale]

or last stand

[lost bluff]

what about the signature

[hidden whale]

i find it pretty good

[hidden whale]

hand cannon or 5%

unless u use clone a lot

then use the stunning one

[lost bluff]

alr thanks

[zenith basin]

Hand cannon or 5%, other 2 suck ass and have no practical use

[zenith basin]

Why would you ever run a 4% boost to speed when the alternative is a perk that lets you kill anyone after like 5 hits

Weakened needs to be taken out of the game

[wicked imp]

Last stand make jab 1 -> utilt -> uair kill at like 80

Depending on the stage

[hazy flare]

Collateral damage racks up really fast with this character's loops

[hidden whale]

yes that s true

if u hit lots of his combos then might just switch to it

[azure plover]

Strange how a gun has a hitbox around it and doesn't have a straight projectiles hitbox like a bullet out of a gun should 💀💀

[zenith basin]

It also has like 2 feet of range instead of crossing the map like a gun should

His gun isn't even a gun tbh

[azure plover]

Especially since it doesn't count as a projectile. It's basically a wide sword

[calm cliff]

In everyone's opinion, what would you rank Smith on the Tier List?

[timid loom]

In 1s S

He has insane combo game and tons of kill options

Idk about 2s

[zenith basin]

Like A for now

[timid loom]

I also forgot to mention how good his neutral is with all the options his gun gives him, smith clone, and more

[cedar root]

It’s di-able and incredibly hard to do

[cedar root]

I’d say A or B because hes hard to play and precise, plus a lot of his attacks are slow or hard to hit

[cedar root]

Gun is good for punishing but isn’t really worth it to hit by itself, close to no one actually gets hit by the clone but can be useful in reading the next move, and his side special is very punishable

[timid loom]

Tbh I don’t find his precision too difficult to execute on

Consider the fact i play Morty post nerf whose grenade physics management and landing earth are

💀something

[azure plover]

He's def not hard to play tbh

[waxen timber]

Does anyone know if the floor counts for that one perk to knock enemies into terrain for an extra damage point?

Also, Agent Smith seems to dominate FFA

[faint zinc]

it does

thats why collateral damage is the best middle perk

[zenith basin]

Weakened boosts knockback and damage by 5% per stack
5 stacks after a mere 5 hits will let you kill unfairly early

[waxen timber]

That's assuming you live over 100 with certain characters

Idk how heavy Agent Smith is tbh

[zenith basin]

Seems to be around the same weight as Joker (default weight)

[zenith basin]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ihEFHf01I8lKibPkAEavEaqZyU-VV9MGeKGZ-PmjeQM/htmlview#gid=736130214

Looks like default weight according to the chart

[waxen timber]

I've been looking for something like this where I can figure out character weight/speed. Where'd you find this?

[zenith basin]

I dont even remember tbh

Had it for a while

[wicked imp]

He seems heavy enough to consistently live to 100 as long as you don’t run into certain characters with cheese

[sick hazel]

quick can someone tell me how to turnaround on jab 3

like throw rthem in the opposite direction

[modern salmon]

Nope.

I do not play this game anymore

[rancid jasper]

this was really slow of a response sadly but you kinda have to do it right as he grabs em

[sick hazel]

left stick or right dtick

ive been in the lab for 10 mins trying to figure it out

no possible

[rancid jasper]

whatever stick is for movement I guess
I use keyboard (I'm legally insane)

the window for it isn't that big I've noticed, you gotta do it like, almost as soon as the grab happens

[sick hazel]

i got timed out for ssaying duck with an f

but i can doo it 100% of the time on keyboard but 0% on controller

[rancid jasper]

weird

[static jolt]

any tips for playing Smith? keep getting dusted in all my fights

[wicked imp]

Use gun as a zoning tool and try to read your opponent’s habits. Smith doesn’t really have a “hold down the neutral for me” button, so you need to rely on reading people’s options and then you can punish them with extended combos

[static jolt]

appreciate it, I need to get down some easy bnb's tbh

[wicked imp]

Jab 1 -> utilt -> dair -> gunshot down can loop

Jab 1 -> utilt -> uair is a kill confirm at higher percents

Gunshot with a ground bounce can combo into dodge jab

Dair -> sair can loop next to a wall

Clone can combo into literally anything on hit

[static jolt]

thanks for this

[wicked imp]

No problem

[zenith basin]

Show me clone > up b then

[wicked imp]

I haven’t experimented too much with Smith, but I’ve been trying to play him more

[wicked imp]

You literally can and I saw someone literally get that as a clip, but I cent remember who it was. I thought it was VoiD, but idk I didn’t see it in his most recent Smith video

[waxen timber]

I've gotten so used to Agent Smith that I started to suck at Jason lol

[lost prism]

so real, i mainly played batman and joker

but when i try to play them after using agent smith they feel so weird to play

[zenith basin]

Bro played 2 top tiers and started struggling with them after playing someone worse?!

[silk sigil]

Biggest takeaway from this character:

Very glad actual guns are on the table for this game. I think up to this point it was just ray guns and stripe’s little toy looking revolver gimmick

Nice to know characters like Deathstroke or Ash Williams are on the table without having to lose any of their identity

[zenith basin]

Since I can't do much with this game rn, does the hand cannon perk affect combos at all?

[red knot]

You can extend some combos without it, but there are other combos routes with handcanon

(Handcanon is better imo)

[lost prism]

it feels weird to play them

and idk joker been feeling mad weird ever since the season patch

[zenith basin]

He cant mash side b in neutral and 0td

Thats all

[lost prism]

idk, its like when i try to input something it doesn't really do it and the movement as well

[zenith basin]

He doesn't dodge as far and inputs not working how you like are either the patch just screwing up the game or your controller/keyboard having issues

[frozen garnet]

How do I get the spoons emote for smith

[tawny berry]

I know a lot of people think smith is too simple but if you ask me that’s kinda the point.

[maiden bridge]

Yo men its a glitch

Just put in your emote slots a ramdom emote and then try to uses all of them until its shows up.

[modern salmon]

Shouldn't be. Agent smith's whole character is being an overwhelming force with hundreds of clones and the ability to take over the bodies of real world people that they turned into GUN

[tawny berry]

I really didn’t see it like that. Albiet I have only watched the first movie and even then that was a year ago. From what I at least remember dude is basically just an anti virus. He lays low and keeps things in line until something happens. I remember specifically in the one scene where Neo re-entered the matrix and ended up in a crowd of people, only for smith to show up as soon as Neo turned his back.But again I might be completely wrong or misremembering something

[modern salmon]

Agent smith is routinely called a virus by the matrix themselves

He causes so much chaos that the plot resolution is that the matrix makes a deal with neo if he can eradicate the unstoppable wave of agent smith

And remember he has none of his virus powers, the most iconic parts of his identity, in his moveset. I will never stop making fun of agent smith for being such a fumble that they didn't even give him a clone attack.

[wicked imp]

So, in the first movie, Smith is essentially the lead “antivirus” program designed to stop the resistance. But his arc in the second and third movies completely swaps when he becomes corrupted and starts to infect everyone and make copies of himself becoming a virus himself

[tawny berry]

Ahh I see.

So is this matrix 1 smith?

If so that explains why he doesn’t have the infection and copying

Also would explain his voice lines against shaggy as he mentions “the one” or something like that multiple times…seemingly thinking shaggy is the one. Even though we know the one is Neo. So why would smith be confused by this?

If this was like pre-matrix 1 smith I think that would also explain that aspect

[wicked imp]

Basically. The only matrix 2/3 move Smith has is his clone, but they definitely could’ve done a bit more with the concept imo

[wicked imp]

I feel like it’s more of a Shaggy has immense power that Smith can feel and wonders if he’s the one of the MVS universe or something

I think he should at least have had a way to incorporate multiple clones

Whether it be he has access to 2 of them or a perk that lets him send out multiple at a time

He’s also missing his extremely iconic “body takeover” where he thrusts his hand into his opponent’s chest and corrupts their body to make a new clone

I feel like he should’ve had a move like that which would allow him to get more clones to use for his down special

Would’ve made him more in character with the later movies outside of one reference with the rest being from the first movie

Something like replacing the spider bot on his grounded neutral attack with a forward hand thrust that functions somewhat similarly to Joker’s counter on hit (but without the counter part) and it adds 1 to his total number of clones

He can still keep his nair being the spider bot attack

Maybe give him a max of 3 clones but the only way to replenish them is landing this move

So you could choose to either to zone out with gun and use gun for extended combos, or you can fish for combo starters and end with this new neutral attack to get more clones and send out an army of them to fill the screen

[subtle palm]

What is agent smiths bread n butter combo

[zenith basin]

Using a sticker uses the spoon emote instead

[faint zinc]

Jab > utilt > gun

You can repeat this

It's not true at 0 but anything past 0 it is until jab utilt uair kills

[analog flame]

how do you throw someone to the opposite side on his 3rd stilt

[zenith basin]

Turn right as he grabs, something like that

Timing is really tight and it might not even be possible on controller

[south ermine]

I've done it on controller but it is really unforgiving

[analog flame]

i though so but i was so inconsistent i was questioning myself lmao

alright thanks

[faint zinc]

It's easy

I only play on controller and get it 100% of the time

[cyan vessel]

i get it easy too, it isnt that tight, i miss sometimes but i hit it like 97%

[faint zinc]

Only times I miss is when I use right stick for jab

[cyan vessel]

i dont use right stick to jab, feels unnatural for me 🤣

[faint zinc]

I just use it in scramble situations

Or when I need to quickly turn around

[south ermine]

I set my right stick to taunts

[modern salmon]

Thats not a clone actually

A lot of people get confused bc why tf would you make a moveset of agent smith without his coolest ability

But no, its just another agent

[wicked imp]

I mean, yeah technically

But doesn’t it share the same model?

[south ermine]

it's a different face and all

[modern salmon]

Nah

[wicked imp]

Oh I actually didn’t notice

[modern salmon]

Evem screenrant didnt notice

A ton of game sites got it wrong bc what a stupid ability

[south ermine]

that tracks for screen rant

[modern salmon]

Ben 10 gonna summon an unnamed diamond head

[wicked imp]

Well then they literally only pulled from the first movie then

Which is a shame because they’re missing the stuff I previously mentioned which could’ve made for a very interesting addition

[south ermine]

i want him to be able to become the giant trash titan smith from the matrix game

purely because it would be funny

[modern salmon]

Multiversus has a bad habit of only using the first season or first movie

Finn is explicitly season 1

[south ermine]

I almost wonder if it's some WB preference

Omni-Man in Mortal Kombat is end of season 1 going in a completely different direction than the show character.

[modern salmon]

Yeah its very restricted

Finn could have the weed wacker arm but nah

Agent smith doesnt have assimilate or clones

I was making fun of how multiversus would give him the bug attack from the first 10 minutes of the movie as a joke before he got his moveset shown and im disappointed i was right about pfg's inability to make good movesets

[south ermine]

Eh credit where it's due his moves do well at summing up a lot of what's immediately memorable about the Matrix

[wicked imp]

The first movie sure

But it doesn’t quite do him justice for how he’s portrayed in the second and third movies

[modern salmon]

Yeah even the lego batman movie gave him clones

Garnet has singing from one episode
Electric attacks she does twice

[visual bramble]

The hitbox of Agent Smith's gun should be improved, I was noticing that there are times where you can take damage without the need to be in front of the gun or even in the middle, but behind, which makes it quite pointless. Another thing is that he should buff only a little when he uses his grip as it is quite easy to punish or dodge making it quite useless against players with + 2 iq

[earnest hound]

The clones are not his coolest ability, a lot of his moves are pulled straight from the source material. His moveset is good.

[modern salmon]

No it isnt

Mtibersus movesets tend to be frankly a little bad

Agent smith's is definitely the worst at portraying the character as this unstoppable virus that seeks to overtake the matrix

Bc ingame he is a gun

[earnest hound]

The clones are one thing thats not in.

Still a lot of things that did get in.

[modern salmon]

https://youtu.be/poLPKdc-zTY?si=TXen1f-AlXT4-Bzf

This video is so popular for a good reason

Bc its his most iconic power

[earnest hound]

It be Smith from the first movie doesn't make all of his moveset bad

[modern salmon]

And it's cool

Instead of having his ability to body snatch and make clones, they gave us the bug from the first 10 minutes

[earnest hound]

What is your issue with the bug

The bug thats more than halfway into the movie

[modern salmon]

Its a plot point that never comes up again

[zenith basin]

His gun makes up half his kit and wouldnt work in combos if he didnt have scuffed hitboxes

[modern salmon]

Its like the crystal ball naruto

[earnest hound]

And?

[modern salmon]

The writers just gradually said "actually the bug is kinda stupid"

[modern salmon]

Its also just a stupid attack when he has powers missing representation. Its like if flash was a lightning throwing character and lacked any super speed moves.

[earnest hound]

Your whole argument is "specific move is missing"

We get it, you like the clones

Its supposed to be plugged in Agent Smith

He doesn't have clones yet

He's still cool

[modern salmon]

Agent smith is cool. But this version is a waste of using his name

Why make press y to shoot be agent smith and not like peacemaker

They turned a cool character boring

Could have replaced bug with assimilate and had his moveset built around gaining clones for his attacks but instead they gave us a gun character

Cant wait for neo who's up special is him taking a pill (none of his moveset has him fly)

Pre omnitrix ben 10 coming soon 🤩

[earnest hound]

You waiting for a character to come out to be able to complain about them checks out

[modern salmon]

What? You cant read

Thats called a hyperbole

Anyways back to making fun of agent smith's wasted moveset

[zenith basin]

They already gave Black Adam flight so NOBODY ELSE gets to fly

Idiot

[modern salmon]

Real asf

I believe ben 10 should be episode 1 ben before he tried anybody but heatblast

[zenith basin]

Ben 10 shouldnt be added because people want Ben 10 they should add crappy promotional characters

[modern salmon]

I concur i believe we will get Santa when Red One comes out

[mint loom]

Lets be honest tho majority dont care about the 2nd and 3rd, the 1st is the most popular

Not me tho I personally love the 2nd and 3rd even more than the 1st but yk

[mint loom]

❌️

Every version is cool asf dont care abt what u gotta say

[mint loom]

That shi was so corny to me tho like

When he gained the ability to fly

I'd be glad if they never included nor mentioned it lmao

[hidden whale]

i really like his moveset now tbh it s supah cool