Jason

[queen juniper]

So he may be marginally better but just as much as every one else but they also have their buffs

We will see tho

But can’t lie I’m going to be playing a lot of ppg. They look fun as hell

[tiny cave]

Everyone got that

But its still positive

We can consider it a indirect buff

We got more approach

[analog sonnet]

i wonder how much grey health the blind spot perk will give

might be useful

[queen juniper]

Prob like 4 🗿💀

I hope more tho

[analog sonnet]

it would help jason tank a punish if his move gets dodged

[queen juniper]

I just wish Jason could dodge reliably like the privileged characters

[analog sonnet]

and the health wouldn't disappear if he attacks again like with neutral b

[queen juniper]

And if only neutral b rage burst and down b grab bag were made better smh

Grab bag should at least have a hitbox so on whiff from grab it still does something

[dry slate]

The thing with that is it wouldn't activate Jason's passive

[queen juniper]

Bro has to have some rage

🗿

[dry slate]

Only his neutral special grey health activates his passive (for the seventh time)

[halcyon badger]

Probably gone be a main perk I run for Jason depending how much grey you get

[dire violet]

Season 3 and still no dodge fix, that's it I'm a Banana Boy now

[fickle ledge]

Even after the buffs that might still be a down grade. 😆

[fickle ledge]

2

Maybe 3

Can't say it'd fell right giving that much reward for something as basic as evading a hit.

[vague scaffold]

Jason is broken btw

[lapis meteor]

We aint even asking for unreasonable buffs bro

😭

Bag existing in this state is criminal

[round hamlet]

So is morty

[valid glen]

Jason is broken. Unfortunately not the good kind. Just the "can't dodge the right way" kind.

[round hamlet]

True

[halcyon badger]

I still can’t believe the whole time that was a bug

I really thought my buffer was acting up lol

[dry sinew]

I can't believe Jason's hurtboxes haven't been fixed in the Season 3 Patch. Jesus Christ man.

[round hamlet]

They definitely hate Jason there's no way

[dry sinew]

He doesn't even need buffs. Just fix the damn hurtboxes. He loses 90% of the trades because of it. Absolutely infuriating.

[gritty hemlock]

Man, we just here to suffer I guess.

[lapis meteor]

The world if i could disable bag:

[spare sparrow]

Opp… One day Mitty will be F tier and I will celebrate. + I could easily beat your north.

Morty .

[ancient wraith]

NOTHING???

[spare sparrow]

Nah we got momentum…

[ancient wraith]

☹️

[knotty sage]

and likely combo game

[lapis meteor]

EVERYONE GOT THAT

[knotty sage]

which everyone also got

[spare sparrow]

Don’t worry we’ve got this.

[dry sinew]

Barely anything.

[lapis meteor]

I am the angry pumpking

[dry sinew]

Meanwhile they buffed Jack because????

[lapis meteor]

💥

[ancient wraith]

dw guys im gonna sneak into PFG headquarters and buff bag myself

[lapis meteor]

REMOVE IT

[ancient wraith]

any other buffs i should add? im taking requests

[lapis meteor]

DESTROY THE BAG SERVER

[dry slate]

roar

[lapis meteor]

WE ARE BETTER WITHOUT BAG EXISTING

[ancient wraith]

roar now applies 70 stacks of weakened

👹👍

[spare sparrow]

Make teleport do 200 knock more knock back..

[ancient wraith]

why stop there? 300 more knockback on teleport

[dry slate]

make bag instakill for funny

[dry sinew]

Neutral Air Grab can hit multiple enemies

[ancient wraith]

if you slam the opponent while they’re in the bag they die immediately (this is a reference to the movie)

[dry sinew]

Air Down Special can spike

Air Down Attack has a much stronger spike (Ganondorf levels)

Armor during Bag

[ancient wraith]

neutral air grab can now hit multiple enemies. also it’s fullscreen

[dry sinew]

Bro literally grabs the world

[spare sparrow]

It can

[dry sinew]

Melee Marth grab range

[dry sinew]

I mean effectively

[spare sparrow]

You can spike with air down special and it comboes into other things

[dry sinew]

It's not really a reliable spike

[ancient wraith]

down special spike is really funny to hit actually

[dry sinew]

Oh yeah and make his Hyper Armor from rage immune to Armor Break attacks.

[ancient wraith]

especially if you get a dair afterwards it feels like the sickest thing ever

[dry slate]

may i interest you with https://youtu.be/OT3iBZm7mQ8?si=XJVlAEmvEZqPtmaU

[ancient wraith]

rage now applies up to 100 gray health depending on charge. also immune to armor break and grabs

[dry sinew]

Perfection

Anyway this patch made me incredibly depressed. I really can't believe not a single fix to his big ass massive hurtboxes.

[ancient wraith]

they just forgot to mention it bro trust

[dry slate]

oh well. at least i'll have the ppg

[ancient wraith]

🥲

pfg has FORGOTTEN about jason voorhees…

[dry slate]

this sounds like a veriflied video except it's about jason instead of morty

[spare sparrow]

Lol..

We’ve been low tier before and we can do it again.

I doubt that we even are low tier anyways

[ancient wraith]

pfg didn’t buff jason because veriflied convinced them jason is actually overpowered. it all makes sense now

[dry slate]

we're mid at best starting s3 tbh

[vague belfry]

I mean at least he didn't get nerfed

[spare sparrow]

@vague scaffold 1v1 me Jason mirror or Morty mirror

[dry slate]

i swear to god if thats the reason why

[ancient wraith]

wait he’s here???

LMAO

[spare sparrow]

He was.

[dry slate]

he said "jason is broken btw" and left

thats all

[dry sinew]

Nah I've been trusting since the closed alpha. They continue to take the weirdest decisions when it comes to balance. Buff characters that don't need buffs. Nerf characters that don't need nerfs. Sigh

This patch completely killed all my excitement for the Season. And they buffed Beetlejuice and Jack, lol. What a joke.

[ancient wraith]

i can’t believe people get on the internet just to lie

[dry slate]

#off-topic message

[ancient wraith]

jason will not be seeing buffs for at least 3 seasons because of this

we are doomed

[neat hollow]

This is so skibidi

i didn't knew about this channel

[west cloak]

Oof no real Jason changes

[valid glen]

It's okay, just another season of spending 2v2 matches axe walking into the end of my teammates basic combos until I hit masters

[neat hollow]

With the new gameplay

MAYBE jason is gonna be "buffed"

Especially now that the down-air can be used in a more "opressive" way

[dry sinew]

Stonks

Just pair Jason with long stringers like Harley or Taz and throw axes randomly

Big boom

[wraith sierra]

Omega gigga jab master 🗣💥💥💥

Make him first character to unlock in game

[candid field]

Jasons Nair maybe will be better this update with momentum increase

[unique pewter]

Yea hopefully it’s at least easier to approach than before, I’m hopeful he may get more as the dust settles from this, they were maybe being cautious to add much to him when so much is changing around him, like maybe they think he’ll just perform better in the new meta without tweaks?

[candid field]

Jason is touchy with buffs, dude can 1 tap players

[valid glen]

Good morning time to patiently wait for the update and my grandmaster Jason badge

[feral cargo]

Don't think he needs any tbh

[dark sapphire]

No lie the only thing I notice Jason has is that bug where if you try dodging backwards after a ground attack he still dodges forward

Other than that I think he’s chilling

[dry sinew]

I'd say Jason doesn't even need buffs. Balance-wise he's fine. The problem are his hit/hurtboxes which don't work properly.

[valid glen]

Jason is fine for 2v2s the problem is 1v1s, he's just not fast enough or strong enough to get in on half the cast. And idk who the ppl disagreeing with me are fighting that they don't think that.

If two equal skill players fight, a wonder woman/harley/superman/shaggy is clobbering jason. He just doesn't have the tools

He doesnt need new moves just a bit more priority. Like make his jab a tiny bit faster, give his grab armor on startup, take away the hurt box from his teleport a couple frames earlier, and ffs take the hurt box off his weapons

[queen juniper]

[dry sinew]

He struggles a lot in 2v2 too. If he gets sandwiched there goes +70% damage.

[valid glen]

That's true for anyone tho, just gotta have a duo who's paying attention

[queen juniper]

Nah every other character has dainty hurtboxes while Jason is thicc ah and gets hit by everything

[valid glen]

Yeah, that's an understandable tradeoff for being able to kill at 50 dmg. But again, a duo who's half decent should be able to get you out of that more often than not. The problem is when you take those giant hit boxes into 1v1s and don't have that ability to get out anymore.

And making a few moves a tiny bit faster would at least give him the tools to balance that out

[spare sparrow]

Trust the sauce… GM 1 watch

[queen juniper]

That’s lazy game development to prayge that a decent teammate (assuming mmr match making ever becomes decent) will compensate for Jason’s deficiencies

Just make Jason decent alone. Would benefit both 1’s and 2’s players

And I’m not proposing to make him op, just adjust frame data and hit/hurtboxes

[dry sinew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0h4YL_hKyk&t

This video sums everything wrong with Jason

[lapis meteor]

WE DONT WANT FRAME BUFFS

WE JUST WANT HURTBOX FIX

AND BAG BUFF

[dry sinew]

#FixJason

His frame data is fine because it fits his whole "Smash Bros. heavyweight" archetype.

I just want his hurtboxes fixed, man.

[valid glen]

I ain't listening to a youtubers opinion

[dry slate]

Depends on the youtuber and if they're a complete idiot or not

[dry sinew]

It's a pretty small channel but all the points he brings up are things I've been saying since Jason launched.

[queen juniper]

Idk what people are talking about in regards to Jason’s frame data being “ok”. His buttons are slow ah and I rarely win priority clashes

[valid glen]

So uhhh, where's the grandmaster stuff?

No badge, no confirmation i was top 100, nothing

[valid glen]

Oh my god it was topn100 players total, not per character smfh

[dark sapphire]

I’m top 100 Jason after only 3 matches

Hit gold V INSTANTLY 😭😭

In 1v1

This ranked system is HEAT

[tiny cave]

maybe bc you got platinum on s2

or something

[valid glen]

I assume that's bc not a lot of ppl have played yet too. I'm #5 in 2v2s but I'm sure by tomorrow that could be #1500

[radiant nexus]

Jason plays like little Mac if little Mac was in Multiversus

[valid glen]

Also this new dodge gray health perk seems rly interesting for jason

[radiant nexus]

He doesn’t know

[icy raptor]

brethren, did the recent patch actually fix anything for jason?

like his hitboxes or anything

something?

[radiant nexus]

He got some momentum changes and that’s it I’m pretty sure

[icy raptor]

god i love this game

[radiant nexus]

What are the thoughts on the Powerpuff matchup

[icy raptor]

just started playing, dunno

[radiant nexus]

Hmm

[valid glen]

Beatable, but I've also only played against ppl who'd been using them for an hour tops

[lone ledge]

Is it me or do they stay in bag longer( i havent had coffee yet)

[queen juniper]

🗿💀

[dark sapphire]

Everything seems manageable except: The down air is a little annoying, that air side b seemed hard to contest, and Beware of Nair.

[vague belfry]

Yeah they didn't even fix the reverse dodge bug after grounded up attack

[arctic palm]

PPG is a REALLY Good partner with Jason

[dark sapphire]

I wonder what makes it REALLY Good 🧐

[radiant nexus]

Lore accurate team up

[dry sinew]

With anyone tbh

[atomic cedar]

did these changes do literally anything

[valid glen]

Not rly

On the plus side, the grab knockback glitch is still there

[dry sinew]

Yeah they made Jason even worse since everyone else got buffed. 😂

[plush tangle]

He still only dodges halfway through attacks 👍

[rugged cradle]

The streamer that was over praising Jason is veriflied right?

Youtuber?

I don't remember if it was YouTuber or streamer.

[tiny cave]

Yeah

Youtuber

Hes a jason hater

[rugged cradle]

I think he has some good points but most others are extremely wrong and exaggerated.

You would think he is ragebaiting.

[tiny cave]

He is

The only thing were asking for is to fix his hurtboxes

[lapis meteor]

And bag

And roar

Thats literally it

[west cedar]

Damn reading up looks like we missed out on this patch rip.

[vagrant merlin]

It's an unfortunate

[plush tangle]

I feel like they made his hit box smaller I’m whiffing everything even though the animation clearly shows it hitting

[halcyon badger]

What y’all think about the ppg matchup

[feral cargo]

Yeah it's really annoying. Lose a lot of games and combos off of that

[radiant nexus]

Veriflied had something to do with it I’m sure. They probably didn’t want to buff THE EASIEST AND MOST BROKEN CHARACTER EVER

[feral cargo]

I doubt they'd change his entire balance off of one cringe dude

If they actually pay attention they'll see the complaints and data and he'll get changed. Likely it's happening behind the scenes unannounced

[radiant nexus]

Probably

But I did notice that they tend to buff or nerf based off of content creator posts

Except Morty balance, but we don’t talk about that

[feral cargo]

Lol

I just want Jason's dodge bug fixed give him actual disjoints and make bag worth using

Don't need anything else

Definitely fix the forward air getting low profiled all the time. Not really worried about the resurrection perk. I think buffed or not it'll probably always be useless to me and once they nerf dodges in the next patch or so people running from it likely won't work anymore anyway.

Oh and fix up air.

That one is really dumb. Heavily dependant on your position when you jump.

The Garnets are catching us

[west cedar]

no clue who this guy is but yea i doubt they would base their balancing around one guy

at this point im just gonna hope for freddy to get in, maybe they'll look at jason then lol

[vagrant merlin]

0/10 rage bait, try harder.

[radiant nexus]

Not rage bait

Legit I think his videos have some level of impact

[warm reef]

We got cooked this patch

[west cloak]

Nah Jason didn’t get cooked

He was more like left in the back of the fridge and was forgotten about

[warm reef]

They put him out back to put him down this update

[west cedar]

still gonna use him for 2v2 but thats kinda it

[dry slate]

Jason with the new movement is nice, but if everyone got it, then it just means he was left the same

[dry sinew]

The leftovers in the tupperware sitting for a week in the fridge 😭

[tiny cave]

Jason is now faster in the air than in the ground

So not actually

[dry slate]

So is everyone

[halcyon badger]

I wish nair was active just a bit longer

Sometimes it looks like it doesn’t match it’s animation

[dark sapphire]

Personally, if Jason had ONE quick aerial between nair, sair, and dair he’d clap the best of em

[prime arrow]

Idk why but me and a friend were killing it as Jason yesterday, couldn't do ranked cause it was double Jason but somehow we did better than ever before and idk why. The new movement didn't change Jason that much

[halcyon badger]

New movement helped out a lot, you’re not just a huge sitting target once you jump

[wide shale]

dair is a bit easier to fast fall and hit smaller characters, that's the only real change i could feel

[tiny cave]

Wdym two jasons cant play ranked

Since when was that a thing

[prime arrow]

at least if you're in a party with someone you can't both choose the same character for ranked 2v2s

[tiny cave]

Ban ig from ranked

[dry slate]

You can't party up with or be paired with the same character you are using on your team in ranked 2v2

[dry sinew]

I feel like this about Dair

[lean storm]

Hes A Tier, rn there are way better characters then him like shaggy and garnet

[halcyon badger]

Wait what garnet is good now?

[west cedar]

No one should be banned

as much as I wish Joker wasn't in this game

[dry sinew]

I just wish they reduced the sizes of Joker's hitboxes even further. That Air Side Special is disgusting.

[tiny cave]

How tf you play against ppg as jason

[round hamlet]

I haven't fought against a single Jason since S2 😔

[west cedar]

I play both PPG and Jason and I haven't encountered this specific MU in a 1v1 setting on either side yet

I'm just trying to theorize wtf Jason is supposed to do if Bubbles is the active leader since I feel like he just won't be able to ever catch her

[halcyon badger]

Sair is really good against them

[candid field]

I think they should give Jasons rage anti grab and Guardbreak, it will not be too broken. It only lasts until his first attack so. Lad needs it against alot of match ups.

He‘s one of the slowest characters in the game and as such should be able to demand that kind of respect so players cant just run at him with grabs and Guardbreaking Nairs

[halcyon badger]

WW nair 🗿

[candid field]

Lol precisely, also they need to revisit his character perks. Nobody using them and are all just using the 5%.

I say buff the resurrection perk and allow it to go off more than once to make him more relentless. Its clearly useless and nobody is using it

Nobody is gonna give up 5% to stats the whole fight for just 5 seconds of glory after you lose your first stock.

[dry sinew]

That's the neat part, you don't.

[dry sinew]

Only if they're in the air. Short hop Sair will almost always miss due to their tiny hurtboxes.

[dry sinew]

Unpopular opinion but I don't think his resurrection perk should have a duration. He already returns with the same damage percentage he had when he died. A sneeze will kill him again regardless.

Either that or make so he comes back at 0% while retaining the perk duration. Right now it sucks so much.

His other perk is situational and quite powerful in certain scenarios but so easy to read.

Like you said, the extra stats at least makes him consistent. Would be great they gave him a new Signature Perk too.

[river jolt]

Rage bait and crazy hate to the goat

[radiant nexus]

Bro he sucks

[river jolt]

?

[radiant nexus]

In my opinion at least

Veriflied is my least favorite mvs content creator

All he does is complain

[dry sinew]

Imagine thinking Jason is broken. That's like saying Ganondorf in Smash is broken.

[halcyon badger]

All u gotta do is camp Jason to win 🗿

[river jolt]

Can you play multiversus without complain?

thats a really hard task

i feel like for most people, and from the most mvs content i see, its complaining

its how it is

[radiant nexus]

It feels like the game was made to annoy you

When I lose, it almost never feels like it’s my fault

[river jolt]

Exactly, youre going to complain if you play jokers

your character is buggy

[radiant nexus]

I’m aware

It’s that he says practically nothing positive

[river jolt]

i mean sure, not much things to be positive about but ig

[radiant nexus]

More so when playing, benergy does it well

[elfin fossil]

I use his Teleports behind you perk because it feels too good when I catch someone off guard with it that it's worth it for the people who can track it.

[candid field]

I believe it‘s good until the opponent can read it. Depends on the player ur against I guess.

[elfin fossil]

For sure.

Especially if you can wrangle it in 2v2, suddenly popping up behind someone targeting your team mate is a great way to Jumpscare the unwary with a combo

[candid field]

Jason in twos def

[elfin fossil]

I love Jason Twos because it gives cooking time. The amount of times I get double ring outs because my opps dared think they could double team my partner while I am off rage cooldown and in possession of an axe is too precious. Just instantly sending someone to Brazil because my partner slapped them across the back of the head giving me a few frames more to charge my attacks.

[halcyon badger]

I played against a Jason earlier that TP all the time it was crazy lol

[dry sinew]

This so much. I get angrier when I lose due to shenanigans (broken moves and bad hit/hurtboxes) than actually getting outplayed. This is the only game that makes me feel like this. It's truly a love X hate relationship.

[dry sinew]

Best feeling in the universe is doing a dodge slide with a fully charged axe while on max rage and deleting enemies at 20%.

[orchid egret]

do yall think jason is balanced?

[orchid egret]

who?

[mossy basalt]

congrats on being the character chat with the most messages

[dry slate]

Morty downplayer who believes Jason is overpowered that spouts the most terrible takes on his youtube channel

[west cedar]

Jason deserves it

My mans did nothing wrong

[radiant nexus]

Jason is a wholesome little guy

He’d do no harm to the balance of the game

[wide shale]

jason feels like he's in a good spot to me, the only thing i still want is a reduction in his beachball sized hand hurtboxes, and fixing the bed dodge bug

[lone ledge]

Fix his hurtboxes and make sleeping bag less useless and id have no complaint

[radiant nexus]

Make the roar useful as well

[dry sinew]

Sleeping Bag can't even kill on most stages over 150%. It's so sad.

[radiant nexus]

It is really funny to troll with though

[dry sinew]

It is, not gonna lie. I've scored a few lucky kills but they were completely unintentional and misinputs. 😂

[orchid egret]

sounds like quirky

[orchid egret]

🧍‍♀️

[scenic lagoon]

@river mantle Ggs I guess?

Idk why you jumped off

I guess the Jason ditto really is that horrible 😭

[halcyon badger]

I always forget roar is a move 😭

[lapis meteor]

#announcements

i wonder why :Clueless:

[round hamlet]

Yo Jason feels so much better this patch

He feels so much faster in the air and the ground

I think this might be a w

Only thing I don't like is down air feels weird

Doesn't feel as heavy as his others move when you hit it anymore

[river mantle]

I do that alot nowadays, didn't enjoy myself and wanted to stop playing, nothing to do with you

Also scared the bejeezus outta me with the random @ lol, yeah Jason mirror makes me tear my hair out

[river delta]

I hate playing against Bugs so damn much man

Why does his nair still exist

[atomic cedar]

I still hate joker

[west cedar]

You and me both

[warm reef]

Was there a hot patch?

Because for me the air game is horrible rn

Like slower

[round hamlet]

Nah but he feels better to me

[tacit pivot]

man I love Jason Voorhees and I am Close super close in getting him

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-halloween-motosierra-jason-gif-18840246

[dire violet]

Still no dodge fix, I sadly will remain a Banana Boy.

[halcyon badger]

Join us 🫡

[tacit pivot]

Okay Ill join

My WB Games Account name is ScorpionMachenMK11

if on PSN Deadshot20mm

[halcyon badger]

😭not in game bro I’m saying join the Jason gang lol

[tacit pivot]

oh okay sure I dont mine

mind

[halcyon badger]

I can hop on and play ur Superman for a bit tho

[tacit pivot]

I dont mind

[halcyon badger]

I don’t do 2v2 I thought we’d 1v1

[tacit pivot]

oh okay sure

okay

I invited you

[valid glen]

Trying to get an early start this season. Up to #3 in 2v2 jason rankings and #97 overall. I WILL get our boy into grandmasters 😤

[west cedar]

Gl with it

I want to make the attempt once I'm done with PPG

[west cedar]

How's the teleport perk for 2v2s?seems like it can be fun to catch people off guard that are gunning for your teammate

[tacit pivot]

how is everyone

Also we need a Jason Voorhees Team

A Duo Team

[dry sinew]

Nair and Uair. I swear to God his bat hits me from miles away as Jason. It's Smash 4's Cloud Up Air levels of insane.

And his Jab 2. I've lost so many trades against it. Perfectly spaced Fairs would still lose to Bugs Bunny's Jab 2.

[round hamlet]

Bugs rocket is impossible to avoid as Jason

You can't dodge through that move

[halcyon badger]

Servers are dog water lately

Input delay n frequent freezes

[round hamlet]

🧌

[knotty sage]

you can you gotta dodge at the right time so you dodge to the other side

[dire violet]

Me too, it's fine one match, then the next match against the same person has bad input delay. Also random crashes

[round hamlet]

Show clip
Jason dodge distance is extremely low
I can't do it with any other character imagine with Jason I've tried before

[valid glen]

Most ppl in higher ranks learn to read it p fast and punish. I mostly stick w the 5% one

[west cedar]

figured, shame since the tp is fun but it did seem more like a low rank killer

back to 5% we go

[dry sinew]

Mist Step through it works but the timing can be a bit strict.

[dry sinew]

Imho Jason's best partner is Taz. He can cover Jason's most fatal flaw (other than the hitboxes) which is his speed. Taz has one of the fastest ground speeds in the game so he can really zig-zag through the stages. His ability to keep enemies in hitstun with Tornado and Dogpile is perfect to hold enemies long enough for DA AXE.

[little anchor]

just picked up jason any tips i.e perk combos and BnBs?

[halcyon badger]

Jab 1,2 up tilt into uair is a low % bnb @little anchor

[tacit pivot]

hello Jason Voorhees Mains

[dark sapphire]

Jab 1,2 > down tilt > up b

They start dodging:

Jab 1,2 > down tilt > wait for their dodge towards you > jab 1,2 > up b > (here I’d think they won’t dodge anymore so I go for sair)

If they dodge away I’d do the jab up tilt combos

[round hamlet]

@tiny cave yo you're in bhands stream rn

[tiny cave]

im seeing it

i lost for fishing airwalker

[round hamlet]

Yup
You did great though

[dry slate]

Man

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty sure if the unintentional buff they gave to Wonder Woman happended to Jason, they would take him out of the game for a week to fix it

[tiny cave]

Fr

💀

[west cedar]

At this point I'm coping that Freddy gets into the game and they'll buff Jason as a result for a FvJ event or theme

[dry sinew]

Without a single doubt

The DC favoritism is too strong

[round hamlet]

If WW had a game breaking bug they would patch it in a instant instead of taking her out of the game for 3 days

[dry slate]

Do you know the unintentional buff WW got?

[round hamlet]

Yeah

She became smaller right

If that happened to Jason they wouldn't taken him out for 3 days to work on him but wonder woman is fine I guess

[dry slate]

They basically said in the patch notes "Oh yeah, we know this exists. We'll fix it later," like it's acceptable to leave something like that in

[fickle ledge]

Oh right they did kill Jason once didn't they.

That was pretty funny to notice for the first time.

[dry sinew]

Yeah, with his Ground Up Special that was insta-killing characters under certain circumstances.

[fickle ledge]

💀

Yeah that makes sense.

[rough lynx]

Hurtbox fixes pleaseeee

He’s a lot of fun but his hurtboxes are so annoying and it doesn’t help when he’s slower than majority of the cast

[craggy lagoon]

anyone else think jason feels slower than usual

[dry sinew]

No. The thing is that everyone else feels faster and he remains the same. 💀

[timber cedar]

no it didn’t kill them. It surgically attached them to you and there wasn’t any way to get them off

[dry sinew]

Ahhh yes true. Wasn't there a bug with another character that would just randomly delete characters?

[storm parrot]

What is Jason meant to do against people like PPG in 1s cause rage is practically useless due to their grab

[spare sparrow]

try hover over them, but i agree thats its hard to face characters with dumb armour breaks

[storm parrot]

Yeah every matchup against someone like Jake is just the most annoying thing, i wish grab moves wouldn’t break rage

[spare sparrow]

that would make jason op thoughl...

[storm parrot]

I mean id be fine if normal armor break moves still stopped rage

[halcyon badger]

No you were right. In some instances his up special would slam them straight to the blast zone

[wide shale]

that would happen on gaps between destrctubile objects and the stage, like the speakers on cromulons

[halcyon badger]

Yeah or the scooby stage with the collapsable floors

[dry sinew]

Ah so it was Jason after all. Thanks for clarifying!

[dry sinew]

Against the PPG I tend to use the rage when they're above Jason and try to do a hard read on dodges.

[gritty hemlock]

jason with armor is a god send

[tiny cave]

The character that deletes other characters was rick

[fringe bay]

Me who uses airwalker 💔

[halcyon badger]

Lol thankfully the animation is so long you have enough time to land and parry on ground ! @fringe bay

[dry sinew]

My biggest issue with Harley's hammer is that the hitbox doesn't match the animation. The hitbox becomes active in front of her before she does the swing, it's crazy. Same with Bugs Bunny's bat.

[atomic cedar]

has anyone else realized that ground up b at ledge into fair is a kill confirm

ive known this for a while i just didnt put it into words until i went through some footage i gathered and realized "hey this works pretty much every time"

[dark sapphire]

I always thought when I tried it ppl just dodged through the fair so I stopped going for it. But maybe I should try again

[atomic cedar]

at certain percents it feels like they're still in hitstun

82 when you first land the grab on PPG seems to get the job done every time

[dark sapphire]

🧐🧐

Maybe I better double take this confirm

[somber compass]

start match by holding your attack button and then let go when in range, then use your up smash and combo with your attack button again

also using charged up attack into up aerial into up smash is always a kill for some reason

jason doing so much meaty ass damage for his slow walkspeed is so worth ngl its almost as good as kazuya in smash

[dry sinew]

I still think that Ground Up Special should hit two enemies. Or at least have a hitbox when Jason slams the victim to hit another nearby opponent.

[dark sapphire]

Mmmm brawl victim hitboxes

Has anyone noticed when you try to wall jump away ur character turns around but goes nowhere????

The only way I can jump away from a wall is by letting go of a direction right before I wall jump

[elfin fossil]

Seriously, either let it double grab or give it knockback while it has someone grabbed. The amount of times I get punished for a double read with the axe grab is infuriating.

I'd even take "Gets armor while is has someone grabbed" just to tank the punish from the enemy teammate that I hit as well but haha no knockback.

[dry sinew]

Yeah absolutely. That move is so polarizing in 2v2 if both enemies are together. Maybe it grabbing two at once would be broken, but it should have a hitbox while Jason is swinging the victim to make it more useful in a 2v2 situation. Even Superman's Side Special has a hitbox when he punches the target after grabbing that can hit nearby characters.

[halcyon badger]

Does supes grab both as well?

I don’t rmr

[fickle ledge]

That attack feels like a singles move ong.

[wide shale]

jasons air grab counters the harley hammer, just sucks when you get hit by the hammer from an unexpected angle, like when you're behind her

and i dont think grounded up special to fair is ever true, i count on most people dodging in after i jump for the fair, so i wait a little bit and throw out a nair in to fair

[halcyon badger]

I still don’t get why ppl love dodging in after up special lol

Man I wish we had new combo routes

I’d love for down tilt to convert into other moves

Jab ,down tilt ,into down air then you get a little mixup off it

[tiny cave]

I just beat a "grandmaster" WW

#clips message

😭

[wide shale]

a lot of peoples top priority is trying to get back to the stage usually, overrides the thought of "are they going to read my dodge?"

[west cedar]

I keep down tilting out of habit

Way more than I should be

[dry sinew]

It doesn't, but the punch Superman delivers after he grabs someone can damage the other enemy player if they're too close.

[dry sinew]

I don't think Ground Up Special has any follow ups unfortunately. You can do Jab > Jab > Down Tilt > Ground Up Special, which is not a true combo, but you can delay the Up Special and try to catch up dodges.

[dry sinew]

So Batman now has a true combo that can deal +60% on the ground while simultaneously breaking armor. So cool.

I love how balanced this game is.

[halcyon badger]

Damn that was a beating

[spare sparrow]

jason has a 0-50 combo which i dont think is diable

[tiny cave]

What

What combo

[spare sparrow]

Nvm it’s doable

It’s down special both hits, up special rotate and jab jab teleport

Di-able

[fringe bay]

Down special is NOT worth it

Isn't that sleeping bag?

[spare sparrow]

No the air

[round hamlet]

Jason might be a tier now

Just fix his sleeping bag and his hitboxes and he might be good

[wide shale]

sadly aerial down special as an approach loses to a ton of stuff,

or at best trades

[valid glen]

Jason will never be high tier bc there are at least two tiers worth of characters above him with more armor, better armor breakers, better true combos, smaller hitboxes, equal kill ability, faster moves, and less cooldown

like he's good but the top end is Busted

[unique pewter]

Yea I tried using it for so long to approach and its just nowhere near as good as down air or side air... I think the only time it's good is when everyone is fighting each other and you can get off the second grounded input for it... if you can get it off for free like that it's a kill near an edge, but it's always scary using it because it feels like you move through the enemy with it and you are an active hurtbox the whole time and only "hit" them with it if the entire animation gets off completely uninterrupted

[lone ledge]

Startin to accept that this is truth

[unique pewter]

He feels sooo good in ffa lol and a good 2s partner makes him better, but I don't place him in the top 10 for 1s

[valid glen]

picking jason in 1v1s is a form of self punishment

[lone ledge]

Not according to reddit lmao they told me skill issue 🤣

[wide shale]

jason is the king of FFA, my win rate is like 90%, not counting the afk/suicide spoiled matches

[dry sinew]

I've accepted that truth since the end of Season 1, and I'm perfectly fine with it. Personally I don't really care if Jason is not Top Tier; he's super fun to play and became my favorite character in the game so far, followed by Iron Giant.

I just want his kit and hit/hurtboxes actually working, functionally. Losing trades because the hurtboxes on his hands are larger than the hitboxes on his machete / axe / other weaponry is so infuriating.

[dry sinew]

After a herculean effort I finally got to DIamond with Jason on 2v2 and I'm currently sitting at the Top 60 2v2 Jason. Gonna retire him for the rest of the season because I don't think I can climb higher, and if I have to deal with more shenanigans I'll probably throw my controller at the wall. lmao

[dark sapphire]

Ajax asked about a tuning change for our most played character………

Anybody have any more ideas for Jason

I can’t think of anything for his “scream” after rage

[halcyon badger]

Down tilt faster and less endlag

Bag having armor(?) and faster

[dark sapphire]

Oh here’s the tweet btw https://x.com/ajax_hq/status/1838765861156311282?s=46&t=u_c4SAZ7EXwOFJ5WFA_FCQ

[dry sinew]

• Hitbox and hurtbox fixes (Top Priority).

• Jason's hyper-armor from his passive making him immune to armor breaking moves except for grabs. The amount of characters who have access to incredibly reliable armor breaking moves completely invalidates this effect, especially at higher levels of play. Not to that mention anyone being able to armor break with the dash attack perk.

• The roar during Unstoppable Rage (Ground Neutral Special) having a larger blast radius and dealing much higher knockback. Perhaps it could also have some extra effect like a small stun or slowing the target (but maybe that would be a bit too much). They need to make the roar appealing in some way; maybe Jason could retain a small portion of Gray Health if he uses the roar instead of any other move during Rage.

• No Escape (Ground Up Special) having active hitboxes during the whole move that can deal damage to other nearby players after Jason grabs the victim, as well a shockwave once Jason slams the opponent on the ground. That should make the move less punishable in FFA / 2v2.

• Sweet Dreams (Ground Down Special, AKA Sleeping Bag) having a much, much higher knockback scaling due to how hard it is to land; I'm fine with it being a situational, glacial slow move, but should pack more power to compensate. If it's the case make so Jason can't move anymore after grabbing the opponent(s) to balance it out.

• Zombie Stomp of Z Stomp? (Ground Down Attack) covering more distance the longer it's charged (like Taz's Down Attack). Making the shockwave from the stomp larger would be nice too.

• 6 Feet Under or Go to Hell (Air Down Attack) dealing higher knockback in general. I feel that spikes are pretty weak in this game and Jason's could really be much stronger; Ganondorf levels of strong.

• Scoop and Slice (Air Neutral Attack) being slightly faster to catch side dodges.

(Twitter is blocked where Ilive so I'd appreciate if you could pass on the feedback, lmao)

[round hamlet]

I love how "z stomp or zombie stomp?" and "6 feet under or go to hell" are definitely leftovers from developing they forgot to remove it's been there since the game released

[dry sinew]

LOL it does

[dry slate]

I'm pretty sure they actually picked one name now

I can't currently check tho

[dry sinew]

Ah, probably. I couldn't remember the names so I just checked the Wikia, which I'm assuming is outdated.

[warm reef]

The nair buff would make me a actual menace to society

[dry sinew]

Jason has one of the worst NAirs in the game imho. I feel that almost everyone else has a faster and/or larger NAir. He can do some low % combos with it, but still.

[lapis meteor]

cap

nair is far from perfect

but it has some combos and kill confirms

along with a dash,it becomes a active hitbox movement

and of course

it can hit bellow ledge

[warm reef]

It doesn’t really have too much kill confirms but I found quite a few

[dry slate]

TOM AND JERRY PADDLE LOOP IS NOW DEAD

[dire violet]

Hmm... I'd love it if the second part of Air Down Special had to be manually triggered.

[dry sinew]

His Dash attack is fine but it should be much much stronger. Ganondorf or K. Rool levels of stronger.

For a move with such commitment with that long endlag I don't think it hits as hard as it should.

[tiny cave]

TOM AND JERRY LOOP IS GONE

WE WON

[valid glen]

love ranked matchmaking bc somehow i can be masters I and still get duos so bad it feels like i'm playing 1v2s

like you literally have to do so little to be useful with a jason. 1 kill, maybe 150 damage, make sure the jason isn't getting juggled from 0-100 at the top of the stage.

and yet

[dry sinew]

The story of my life

[tiny cave]

Jason mains really said reverse card to tnj matchup

[valid glen]

i hate sounding like i'm blaming everyone else but how in the world do i keep getting paired with absolute donkeys who get 0 kills and a combined 100 damage per set?

is it just a jason thing?

is he cursed?

just had a deciding match where i got 350 damage and 3 kills, my duo, a batman, a BRUISER, got 85 damage and 0 kills

this has been all day

[dry slate]

Because people hear that Jason is good in 2s and expect him to do all the work not realizing that they actually have to help and be a part of a team

[valid glen]

Normally I'd say that's an exaggeration, but I just invited a random shaggy who did less than 100 damage in each of our matches together, then fought him as a random where he was getting 2-3 kills and 200 damage every game. So, as they say, where's the lie???

[dry slate]

Jason needs a day off

[unique pewter]

It's just luck for the most part I think? Not sure if any kind of stats have an effect on who you get partnered with... I play only rando 2s and it's always a pretty mixed bag... I'll get a few great partners and go on a win streak and then the opposite will happen and I lose a bunch... Just kinda how it goes

[valid glen]

Realistically, yeah. But through experience, it's actually dark magic giving me ppl who can't play every set

[tiny cave]

People want to be carried

And they just spam

[valid glen]

it would be a relief if they spammed

if i had a shaggy who just dive kicked the whole match it would be more than enough

instead i get black adams that don't use any lightning moves

[dry sinew]

More of a roulette. Jason is very comp dependent due to his glaring weakenesses, probably more than any other character in the game save for maybe Gizmo.

[muted spire]

Actually he was good at ffa sometimes.

[dry slate]

That's FFA tho, he's good there. But in a 2v2, if your teammate expects you, the combo food, to do all the work for them, then there's a problem

[muted spire]

If I wanted to do 2v2, I would've asked a friend. Never try LFGing that mode.

At least never again for me.

[dry slate]

All my friends that play mvs usually play jason and you cant really duo same characters in ranked

So I gotta take what I can get at times

[muted spire]

Ranks is even worse for me considering my short fuse called temper.

[dry sinew]

It's really a hit or miss situation. I actually got paired with good players I met on Ranked with Jason and we began climbing together. But it's very frustrating in general if you're just PUGing every match.

Taz is a pretty good pair for Jason. But my favorite is LeBron with Keep Possession Perk since it means constant Grey Health for Jason. Not to mention LeBron's Side Attack Combo launches enemies vertically in a pretty good angle for a Air Up Special from Jason.

[warm reef]

Me when i lie

[dry slate]

I was at work and thought it killed loop at the time 😔

[dry sinew]

Nerfing the loop won't balance Tom & Jerry tbh. There are more concerning problems besides that. They have way too oppressive projectiles in combination with large disjointed hitboxes. That would be like giving Cloud's Buster Sword to Samus in Smash Bros.

[dry slate]

Nerfing the loop will most definitely balance them more if they actually do it properly

[knotty sage]

https://x.com/AJAX_HQ/status/1839738020284567783
jason confirmed to be getting buffed

[abstract pasture]

Interesting

[dark sapphire]

😳

[lone ledge]

Please god

[rough lynx]

Brings a tear to my eye

[dry sinew]

Praise da Lord

[valid glen]

all it took was finding One decent T&J to keep around and now i'm back to #1 NA jason and grandmaster

[queen juniper]

Our time is soon 🗿💀

[dry sinew]

I haven't seen a single Tom & Jerry on Ranked since the nerf to the loop.
ironic.palpatine

(Also grats)

[halcyon badger]

I’ve always thought the same, the fact some projectiles that are small but have crazy knock back and can kill at low % is crazy to me. That’s like Pits arrows being able to take a stock

[dry sinew]

I think the biggest issue is that MultiVersus has no shielding like in Smash. That alone makes projectiles fare more oppressive.

[valid glen]

maybe we'll get some kind of projectile-related armor perk to try and balance that out

just spitballing but maybe if you're knocked back by a projectile you "briefly" gain armor

[dry sinew]

That would be nice. But I'd rather either getting shields like in Smash or just adding a proper priority system where you can cancel out projectiles with normal attacks following the rule of 8% from Smash.

[wide shale]

i played against four bugs/marvin combos back to back last night, honestly no clue how to deal with the insane amount of projectiles some of these teams can produce

cant jump over them too well, can't duck under them, forced to burn so much dodge meter avoid projectiles

[unique pewter]

A good Marvin/Bugs is a menace, especially if their teammate is genuinely assisting them

[wide shale]

bugs feels like day 1 bugs again, a total menace

i think those momentum changes really helped him

[tiny cave]

GUYS

were gettin buffs

Were so back

[wide shale]

source?

all i'm really asking for on jason is to shrink his beachball hand hurtboxes and to fix the bed dodge bug

[unique pewter]

I'm really bad at reading the hitbox on his upair, I always think I'm far enough to the side I won't get hit and he still gets me with the tippy tip and the bat cracks me into oblivion

[wide shale]

i keep trying to parry it, but it has a weird timing to it depending on your position

[tiny cave]

WE WON

https://x.com/AJAX_HQ/status/1839737123634852124

We will have jason news next update

[scenic lagoon]

Thing is

[wide shale]

that gif = buffs?

[scenic lagoon]

Jason is already like

[wide shale]

could be anything

[tiny cave]

Yeah

[scenic lagoon]

A high tier

Or high mid tier

Which is perfectly fine

Just need to play him patient

[tiny cave]

What else could it be

Duh

[wide shale]

an event or skins or something

[tiny cave]

I hope its not

[wide shale]

could be buffs, but why jump to conclusions

[tiny cave]

We already know there will be new skins

The galaxy ones

[scenic lagoon]

Got Diamon on Jason

Let's go

[dry sinew]

Marvin + anything in 2v2 is pure nightmare, especially if you're playing Iron Giant or Jason (which ironically are my two mains).

[dry sinew]

He would be if they just fixed his hit/hurtboxes. Right now he's probably mid-high Tier. Seeing him lose trades against non-disjointeds is depressing.

[lone ledge]

Hurtboxes alone would be a massive W

[knotty sage]

https://x.com/AJAX_HQ/status/1839738020284567783?t=gKqMs4xTXOmhUzv6GwJN9g&s=19

[wide shale]

ok that's a better hint

[halcyon badger]

Imagine they make him skinnier 😭

[round hamlet]

I'ma play Jason again I miss my boy

[dry slate]

Jason

[wide shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYQDnV092hI

[round hamlet]

Nvm I hate him now

[muted spire]

You can use him in FFA. He's good at it.

[rough lynx]

Mid season patch cant come soon enough

[muted spire]

There's diamond Jason?

[dry sinew]

I can't wait. I won't even get angry if they don't buff him much. I just want his hit/hurtboxes working as intended.

[scenic lagoon]

Nah just like, I got to diamond rank on Jason

[muted spire]

Oh

[feral cargo]

Brothers

[tiny cave]

I wish

Hes the only BP character

Without master skins

[spare sparrow]

oh ye

[valid glen]

he's missed out on a lot of skins the whole roster got, just another part of the jason struggle ig

[muted spire]

Tbh, the developers were slow in making ranked mode.

[vague belfry]

Considering that and the large number of missing features at launch, WB probably forced them to launch before they were ready

[dry sinew]

I can't wait for the mid-season patch and see our boy getting buffed, and hopefully fixed.

[west bobcat]

damn bro can jason get some love w some new skins too

of course the boy doesnt get a batman variant

[valid glen]

No batman mask, no shark hat, no circuit skin, they hate our boy

But I love him. Love him enough to establish a 150+ point lead over everyone else on the 2v2 leaderboard and get up to #80 in grandmasters by the end of this morning's ranked grind

[dry sinew]

Would be nice but frankly the Uber Jason is already the best. You can't improve perfection.

The upcoming Finn Costume is pretty hilarious though.

[west cedar]

You could put in at least burlap sack

[valid glen]

burlap sack skin would be fun!

could also do maskless, jumpsuit with and without NES colors, or like, idk, include him with seasonal variants

lifeguard jason for the summer skins would've been great

[dry sinew]

I don't think they'll ever make a maskless costume for Jason otherwise they'll have to bump up the rating. 😂

[valid glen]

i think there's an easy cartoony PG way to do it

like make him look more goonies and less house of 1000 corpses

or give him a cracked mask so you only see half of his face

[halcyon badger]

Jason with the bag mask, overalls and pick axe skin would go hard

[knotty sage]

if he does get a bag mask it should just be like a red glowing dot for the eye hole

[queen juniper]

I’ve been stomping on clowns extra hard lately. I am ready for the Jason buffs so I can fully ascend🗿💀

[west bobcat]

Bag mask Jason would be the move, idk about that new crop top Finn inspired skin though

[round hamlet]

Verified was right actually

This character is stupid

Kills you off one read

[fleet sierra]

I'm finally a level 15 Jason ;v;

[dry sinew]

What I want is Jason with a lumberjack skin, with the beard popping underneath the mask.

[west cedar]

give him the final friday design

[spare sparrow]

oh how you have fallen....

[dry slate]

DON'T YOU SAY THE DEVIL'S NAME

[halcyon badger]

Can’t other characters kill off a read too lol

[queen juniper]

Skill issue

[sleek venture]

Im level 20 with Jason 18 with Smith and 16 with BJ

[fleet sierra]

nice

[sleek venture]

How does everyone play Jason ik we play him differently so I'm curious how do you play him in your own way

[tiny cave]

#clips message

Axe bounce into up special is true in the batman map

I did it 3 times

2 against the same rick

And one with a jack

[round hamlet]

Ok I was wrong he isn't THAAAT bad

I'm trying to play him but he feels so weird now maybe it's because I'm rusty

[west cloak]

While there’s an obvious gap between certain characters, pretty much every character is viable in 1v1 except like Velma and Jake

But for Jason, you gotta get lucky with not running into his really bad matchups like T&J, Shaggy, Batman, and Marvin

[tiny cave]

He is a reading character

And a punisher

[feral cargo]

It's really all he has for most players. His skill gap is huge but without jab jab teleport most wouldn't survive playing him

[unique pewter]

lol not gonna lie I forget about teleport sometimes… I don’t really use it in my jab string unless they’re pretty high percentage-wise and I try not to use it for recovery if I can help it

[feral cargo]

Yeah i try to use his other combos and mixups but when I've got a really hard fight I'll use it.

[unique pewter]

I need to use it more, I like get locked-in to trying to hit side air and up air special and down air… and a lot of times I want the throw at the end of the jab string because I want to control which way they go and not overcommit myself that direction, like a lot of times I just want to throw somebody one way so I can quickly deal with the other one and if I teleported I’d just be going with the first guy lol

[tiny cave]

I only use jab jab ground up special

Only use jab jab tp at low percentages

To get reads

Or also jab jab neutral

And stomp

Also jab jab tp at low % can even perjudicate you against some MU

[dry sinew]

Jab > Jab > Ground Up Attack > Air Up Attack is a true combo on most characters until mid-high percentages

[dry sinew]

I only use Jab > Jab > Misty Step on high percentages to secure KOs.

[tiny cave]

Yeah

Some characters like garnet can even counter jab jab tp if you do it at low %

Like

You do the tp

And when youre barely materializing shes already out lf hitstun and countering you

[dry sinew]

Yeah. It's mildly infuriating tbh. Hahaha.

[tiny cave]

I do jab jab up ground or up ground special instead

Stomp in some cases

[dry sinew]

Same. Jab > Jab > Stomp > Ground Up Special is nice too. Not a true combo but it can work sometimes.

[tiny cave]

Thats actually the purpose of the stomp

Stomp is used for readings

[dry sinew]

Yeeeah

I wish they'd buff the stomp, though. Would be great of the charge affected the distance, like Taz's Ground Down Attack.

[tiny cave]

Imagine they add armor to the stomp

Jason is like the only tank without armored moves

Ignoring the grab

Which was added later

Meanwhile the other tanks

Always had them

[valid glen]

One or the other would be great. Like some sort of ripple in the ground that gives it a slightly bigger hitbox or a little bit of armor

also ridiculous that the armor on the grab is so precise. Half the cast has moves with armor that lasts through the entirety of their chargeup/active, Jason has one move with armor and it stops mattering if you're a second too early/late with it. It not stretching into the move's active deployment is wild too, bc it means you can be punished in 2s for actually pulling it off

[dry sinew]

I'd be fine with that if his Rage was immune to armor breaks.

[tiny cave]

I forgot about rage

[valid glen]

or if there weren't single moves that could tank through it even when it's fully charged

[dry sinew]

Yeah or that

I'm so hoping for the upcoming buffs to Jason but at the same time I don't think PFG will give Jason the buffs he needs.

[tiny cave]

All i need is a hurtbox fix

[valid glen]

i get that the idea is that the rage should be a substitute for having armored moves, but it doesn't work like that most times, and it has cooldown, which is also insane when things like Superman's armor moves and shaggy's charge don't

[tiny cave]

They should nerf armor breakers

Ww shouldnt be able to break armor with nair

No one should

[valid glen]

especially not on both hits

[dry sinew]

Imho Shaggy's Neutral Attack shouldn't have armor.

[tiny cave]

She can just break armor with zero risk

And zero skill

[valid glen]

i think armor breaks are fine, but there are some specific moves that are def busted

[tiny cave]

WW is one of them

[valid glen]

joker's flower shouldn't have it either, esp since he can charge it forever and move around half the stage while doing it

[tiny cave]

WW shouldnt break armor with nair

[dry sinew]

Absolutely. Bugs Bunny's armor break on his Jab is also ridiculous.

[tiny cave]

Thats debatable cuz his jab has a lot of endlag

And can be punished

You can barely punish WW

[dry sinew]

True

Although Bugs' Jab has pretty large hitboxes and sometimes hits behind him, even though they supposedly fixed that.

[tiny cave]

They should fix that then

But his jab is not thst good

And has a bit of risk

His jab has endlag

WW doesnt

And she can literally just spin around the whole map

With an armor breaker

[dry sinew]

It's pretty busted.

[knotty sage]

insane idea: what if only chargeable moves were armor breaks

[tiny cave]

#clips message

I want you to count the amount of nairs

[knotty sage]

i count like 3 unique inputs

[valid glen]

bugs jab isn't nearly as bad if you aren't, yknow, a Jason

[dry sinew]

Or Iron Giant

😂

[tiny cave]

His jab already breaks armor even without the purple thing

Also WW

Thats literally made for jason

Exclusively

WW doesnt even need the armor breaker in nair either

[valid glen]

maybe it can stay on the first hit, but the second just feels oppressive

your reward for dodging an armor breaker? surprise, another armor breaker

[tiny cave]

What if

Instead

We give cooldown to nair

And when it doesnt have cooldown

It activates the armor breaker

And when it doesnt

Its simply a normal attack

Or why cant they just give her armor breaker in something else

Maybe the side air special

[valid glen]

i don't think we need to take away armor breakers, esp when anyone can get one with a perk

i think before any of that happened they'd give us a perk that helps against it

like idk, maybe something that shields you against armor breakers but with a short cooldown

[tiny cave]

Maybe a jason perk

That if you dodge an armor breaker

Your inmune to armor breakers

For 3 seconds

[valid glen]

or a perk that keeps your armored moves from being broken by armor breakers

if the problem is with/for everyone, why make it a jason exclusive thing?

[knotty sage]

Unstoppable Brute: Rage is not longer broken by armor breakers

[tiny cave]

Bugs jab and ww nair are a exclusive jason issue

Cuz they already break through other characters armor

Even without it

[tiny cave]

That would be broken for superman

[valid glen]

other characters still have issues with thigns like batman's new double punch and steven

[valid glen]

axe

[tiny cave]

What im i even supposed to do against bugs nair

BRUH

[west cloak]

Don’t get hit

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[dry sinew]

As Jason? You try to perfectly space SAir and still get hit by it because of the gigantic beachball hurtboxes on Jason's hands.

[halcyon badger]

bruh

The smith MU is literally unbeatable

[feral cargo]

I disagree, I think it just depends on your playstyle and knowledge. It's a little harder since his buffs though

[halcyon badger]

Run a set with smith I want to see how you counter

[tulip plaza]

#clips message

funny jason

[prime arrow]

you know what I thought I was having a harder time against smith recently, i forgot they buffed him

[fickle ledge]

That move isn't really practical to land in most situations I doubt that would compensate.

[trail flicker]

I wish they would match neutral attack hitbox to its actual animation

#clips message you can literally hit people from behind

[tiny cave]

Sometimes

Sometimes it doesnt

Even tho

He also bad hitboxes

Like nair

[tiny cave]

Also when you hit people

In front

Sometimed it doesnt even hit

When it was supposed to

Like with the tip of the axw

[trail flicker]

Sometimes you mean all the time

Hitboxes are fixed they don’t change

They should fix all of his hitboxes to be more accurate especially the one that hits stacked

[tiny cave]

yeah but in a online match

the only way to get hit from behind

is if you attack him while throwing the axe from behind

i never seen someone getting hit after dodging

cough cough black adam

ww

superman

batman

[trail flicker]

That’s exactly what happened to me

I tried to punish a Jason who whiffed

Instead I got hit…

[trail flicker]

Yea all dc characters are broken or cheesy

[tiny cave]

his hitbox can hit you from behind

but not infront

sometimes it goes through

[dry sinew]

It's such a mess

[tiny cave]

what do you guys think the jason buffs are gonna be

im guessing some hurtbox/hitbox fixes

maybe armor to his stomp

and fix or even buffs to resurrectionist

[unique pewter]

Yea honestly I don’t know… so far the main way they’ve buffed him was tweaking small elements of things… I don’t know if they have ever had the intention of adjusting his hitboxes or not? They may very well add armor to a move or tweak the grey health mechanics, but it’s more likely to read something like “such and such move is now cancelable earlier or has less end lag or branch window increased”… they love to tweak the damage and knockback on things, usually inverse to each other, so if knockback goes up damage goes down and vice versa

Ressurectionist and sleeping bag are the only things that feel useless, bordering on detrimental, to me

[halcyon badger]

Well I hope they fix the bed dodge bug

[unique pewter]

I was just gonna say, lol it could just mean they intend on fixing any remaining bugs he has with not much else changing

[halcyon badger]

I’m still coping they buff up down tilt

[unique pewter]

It’d be cool if sleeping bag got armor, at least then it’d be more worth throwing it out… end lag on that move is insane lol… you basically do the taunt afterwards lol

[tiny cave]

True

Armor on sleep bag would make it way better

More usefull in 1s

[halcyon badger]

I can’t think of another move with such end lag in the game

[unique pewter]

Yea right now you gotta gigabrain read them to do it safely

[tiny cave]

Because theres no move that its as long as sleep bag

Not even close

Sleep bag is only usefull in 2s

[unique pewter]

I think I only throw it out in ffa when everyone is clustered up fighting each other and even then it’s like for style lol… a neutral axe charge is objectively better in that situation

[tiny cave]

I also did that once

And trapped the 3 of them

[unique pewter]

Yea it’s funny lol

[lone ledge]

Legit playin a new char or quitting if they dont do anything about hurtboxes ive almost broken a few controllers S3

[round hamlet]

This is sad I remember the Jason chat being the most active and now it's just as dead as any other 😦

[tiny cave]

Theres a jasoncord

Thats why

Btw

IM A JASON GRANDMASTER

[random meteor]

wp arthur good job

[timber cedar]

on that note of a jasoncord, if anyone wants an invite I’ll send it to you

[wide shale]

can i get one? thanks

[timber cedar]

sent it

[wide shale]

thanks

[fierce trellis]

Can you link me jason discord please?

[timber cedar]

alright it should’ve sent

[lone ledge]

Ill take one just in case nubia doesnt pan out lol

[feral cargo]

I got really mad last time I played and I couldn't care any less about batman so the event isn't getting me back rn.

Also just really waiting for Jason's buffs or rework because I'm tired of losing just because I can't so anything to half the cast when they actually know the game

And I keep playing against GM's and masters when I play tom so I'm chillin out playing my other neglected games

[halcyon badger]

Can I get the link

[timber cedar]

sent

[timber cedar]

oh I’m sorry I didn’t see this

sent

[tiny cave]

We getting reworked next week

At the same time nubias release

[feral cargo]

perfect

[tiny cave]

I want an harpoon so bad

Idc if they nerf side special

Give us the harpoon to compensate

[feral cargo]

😂

[dry sinew]

Rework? I recall Ajax mentioning buffs, but did he confirm an actual rework? 👀

[halcyon badger]

Rework confirm?

[tiny cave]

Yeah

[tiny cave]

According to uncle spamuel he got in contact with ajax and he told him about jason getting reworked

So he made a video

On things he would like to see

On jasons rework

[median geyser]

Agent Smith is honestly so annoying

His jab range is something else

& my attacks are so slow that it can't even hit him anything & he's faster recoveries

[halcyon badger]

Yup, especially dodge cancel jab 1

Catches you playing neutral it’s crazy

[dry sinew]

Interesting. I wonder what will be the scope of that rework.

I probably shouldn't expect something big to avoid getting disappointed, lol

[scenic lagoon]

They called Batman getting a new dash attack and putting his old dash attack back on his dtilt a rework, so it's best to keep expectations low

[dry sinew]

Lol yeah

Exactly

[valid glen]

finally trying to figure jason out for 1v1s. I'm getting it but like, it's def not as Fun

[tiny cave]

Its fun reading people

#clips message

Specially if you can do stuff like this

[valid glen]

i'm not patient enough to enjoy it the way i should tbh

also man, does jason have a single thing that can get through a jack? doens't feel like it

[dry sinew]

Rage and reads.

That's how you get Jacks. And also DI'ing upwards after their jab combo because 99% of the Jack players will use the side special afterwards.

[valid glen]

easy enough to say. harder to do against the jacks that actually know what they're doing, esp in 1v1s

[dry sinew]

Yeah, definitely. If they fixed Jason's hurtboxes it wouldn't be such an annoying match up. I feel that most of Jack's moves can interrupt anything Jason throws at him.

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[median geyser]

Exactly

[scenic lagoon]

@prisma hemlock Idk if you were the batman I fought but ggs

[atomic cedar]

taz vs jason is hell

[scenic lagoon]

You have two options

Parry, or try and rage

[tiny cave]

This tuesday

Jason

Will honor his trailer

[round hamlet]

Someone is saying Jason just fishes for jabs and never uses rage

Lmaoo

[fickle ledge]

😆

[fickle ledge]

Airwalker for more rages or go home.

[neat hollow]

it's not that much

[minor radish]

Wait why is Jason not considered Undead anymore

[tiny cave]

They removed the tag

From the game

[minor radish]

Odd

[tiny cave]

Beetlejuice doesnt have it neither

[atomic cedar]

PLEASE fix the jason ditto

its so unfun

its just who can get jab first

and with the terrible dodge its even worse because its basically a get hit simulator

[round hamlet]

Every ditto sucks

[tiny cave]

Meta players will not be allowed in this chat

Just in case

[halcyon badger]

Tmr is the day

[median geyser]

Day of what?

[halcyon badger]

I thought Tuesday was a new patch

[tiny cave]

Jason buffs

He got reworked

[dry slate]

Nubia will screw jason up so badly

it's honestly really sad

[round hamlet]

They didn't even show the Jason rework

[vague belfry]

Yeah. We get the funny Finn costume though so at least there's that

[round hamlet]

Hope it's not legendary

[trail flicker]

Good

If you guys can still teleport and and upspecial without any cooldowns

It’s reasonable y’all should have many bad match ups

[dry slate]

You want our up special to be on a cooldown?

[trail flicker]

The one in the air

Not grounded

[dry slate]

Please tell me what drugs you're taking because I want some

[trail flicker]

Bro don’t know 💀

That Shi kills early asf

30% in the middle of the map

Your dead

It’s not fair

Imo you shouldn’t get to use it that much

[dry slate]

Maybe change your playstyle and get better?

[trail flicker]

Doesn’t matter you guys can bring me to the air easily

Uptilt into upair

Then upspecial

[atomic cedar]

brother if you think up special and side special are that bad youre just bad at the game

[dark sapphire]

Parry the air up special and kill me at 2

[trail flicker]

Please tell me you don’t get atleast 40% of kills from side special or upspecial 💀

They are broken

Jasons love downplay

[atomic cedar]

i get more kills from fair honestly

jason as he stands is meant to kill quick off of stray hits

[trail flicker]

🧀

Character

[atomic cedar]

if you are getting hit with air up special that just tells me youre above jason

its an anti air move

[trail flicker]

While other character actually try hard to get kills

Learn good combos

Good awareness

Then there is Jason who kills from one mistake

[atomic cedar]

good awareness
hit by jason up air special
pick one

[trail flicker]

Uptilt - upair already a great zone to get killed by one move

[trail flicker]

Good awareness

[atomic cedar]

that is a 3 hit combo

[trail flicker]

💀

[atomic cedar]

technically 4 hit bc 2 hits of upair

[trail flicker]

That’s it

[atomic cedar]

besides the fact that jason is massive and gets combod into oblivion

[trail flicker]

You guys don’t know struggle

Flexing 4 hit combo

[trail flicker]

Use rage

Or teleport to get away

[atomic cedar]

rage is gone in 2 hits

teleport has a ton of start up lag and can be interrupted

[trail flicker]

Also got ur broken nair too

[trail flicker]

Cap

Teleport is unpunishable

[serene mirage]

this is such a lie 😭

[atomic cedar]

it literally isnt unpunishable but ok

[trail flicker]

Maybe with projectiles

But try to punish it won’t work

[serene mirage]

teleport gets interrupted 9 times out of 10 especially in ffa

[atomic cedar]

you can literally poke jason during teleport and it interrupts it

[trail flicker]

You are doing it wrong then

[trail flicker]

That how you die at 50%

[serene mirage]

how can i do a two button input wrong 😭

[trail flicker]

Broken character

[atomic cedar]

the only way teleport works like youre describing is if youre in a combo

[trail flicker]

Teleport on its own

[atomic cedar]

yeah if youre not able to punish raw teleport youre just bad

[trail flicker]

Bro I’m not bad

I don’t have good match up

[serene mirage]

you literally play batman and smith

i play smith and i know how cracked that matchup is in my favor

[trail flicker]

No those aren’t my mains

Those are characters who need to be removed

[serene mirage]

okay then who do you play

[trail flicker]

I play bugs

[atomic cedar]

.

.

[trail flicker]

Losing match up

[atomic cedar]

.

.

.

.

[serene mirage]

bro...

[atomic cedar]

.

[trail flicker]

?

These guys are going to lie

I don’t wanna hear it

Bugs and gizmo

I mainly play gizmo rn tho

[atomic cedar]

.

you play projectile heavy characters

those characters should decimate jason

[trail flicker]

And If I get close I lose

Look

[serene mirage]

YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO

[trail flicker]

Bugs and gizmo are both low weight

We die so early