#Jason

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west cloak
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We need some Jason emotes for the server

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There’s a distinct lack of them here

rose haven
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The mods just secretly hate him as much as pfg do

round hamlet
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One of the mods mains Harley
They have something against us

west cloak
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They probably just commissioned an artist to make the emotes back in the beta

rose haven
west cloak
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I don’t think they’ve changed since then

flint tide
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Pfg put up a poll asking which tank needed a rework most

rose haven
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I like to actually touch the ground when i play the game ty

flint tide
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Jason is winning pretty notably

rose haven
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The rework just ends up being a nerf

rose haven
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Funny how a few commenters be trying to argue Jason needs no buff

scenic lagoon
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Jason and IG both need reworks

west cloak
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Literally everyone is saying Jason hand hurtboxes suck lmao

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It’s true tho

flint tide
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I think ig is ok

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I think he’s finally balanced

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At least he feels that way

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His combos don’t kill you nearly as easily anymore

round hamlet
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Even if you just buffed the bad hitboxes Jason would still be bottom tier

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He needs more

flint tide
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You can actually combo him because they removed his extra hitstun

west cloak
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IG is still probably like 7th or 8th best at worst

flint tide
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I mean yeah he’s good

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But like

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Not stupid

west cloak
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Except there’s a glitch which makes him absolutely the #1 character in 2v2

flint tide
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Yeah but thats not

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A real thing

west cloak
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Rage mode IG can collect Scooby Snacks from Shaggy when he charges rage indefinitely and heal to zero

flint tide
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Thats like when jason dropped post patch and had the upspecial glitch

west cloak
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I mean, it’s not as egregious as the Jason bug

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But like you literally never die now

round hamlet
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Oh fun fact

west cloak
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At least until they likely hotfix it

round hamlet
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If you use grounded up special on someone on the tree fort walls they fall to their death

west cloak
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Something about like if they’re inside the tree hitbox, they basically just teleport into the blast zone

round hamlet
round hamlet
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Jason untouched in the patch notes

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They're never buffing him

dark sapphire
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Man

dry slate
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The patch notes are bad, but here's the current view:

  • Arya: 1 Nerf, 1 Bugfix
  • Harley Quinn: 1 Buff, 1 Bugfix
  • Iron Giant: 6 Nerfs, 2 Bugfixes
  • LeBron: 2 Nerfs, 1 Buff
  • Morty: 3 Nerfs (all on Mudwall)
  • Reindog: 1 Bugfix
  • Stripe: 2 Buffs, 1 Bugfix
dark sapphire
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I’m also hearing ranked bo3??

analog portal
west cloak
round hamlet
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Why did they nerf lebron

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💀

dark sapphire
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Oh yeah bron…..

west cloak
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Which is really dumb because RP gain should be given on a game by game basis like literally every other ranked mode in existence

round hamlet
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Your telling me I have to do every match 3 times and I don't get anything extra for it

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Seriously

west cloak
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Yeah so Jason stocks just plummeted

round hamlet
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I think I might just not play ranked ngl

analog portal
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Who's ready for it take 2x longer to win 5 and lose 12

minor radish
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What's BO3, best of three?

west cloak
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Yeah

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I’m all for forced BO3 because it encourages actually learning habits and adapting

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But RP gain based on the set and not each game is a huge L

analog portal
dark sapphire
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I’m not a big fan of the rp points 30 on 30

round hamlet
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Same

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west cloak
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Everyone always one-and-dones

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That’s the issue with other ranked modes

round hamlet
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Ngl I was literally happier when it wasn't bo3 even when I lost

west cloak
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Just cheese with matchup checks and then take your free points

round hamlet
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I don't think I've seen much people even complaining

west cloak
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I always offer up the BO3

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But no one ever accepts

round hamlet
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I mean I do too in casual

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But like I don't really care anymore

analog portal
west cloak
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People are just too intent on spamming salt after a cheese kill thinking they’re somehow good

round hamlet
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I only use salt when someone spams or teabags

west cloak
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It’s not as much of an issue in a game like MVS, but it’s a huge issue in games like Tekken

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Learn some gimmick -> decline rematch when you lose or if the match was close and you won

analog portal
west cloak
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Rematch only if you stomp

analog portal
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Bo3 sucks when you have match ups like Jason t&j and now you have to watch a cutscene of your death for twice as long

dark sapphire
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HOL UP, can I change perks?

west cloak
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And yes I know the matchup blows

analog portal
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If you're getting queued with someone that loses that then the match making failed

west cloak
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But I’ve lost a lot of games to getting cheesed on Dexters and I’d definitely want a rematch

west cloak
dark sapphire
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Dexters……

analog portal
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Thats just a dexters thing

west cloak
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Dexters sucks

analog portal
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No reason it should be in ranked

west cloak
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I agree

dark sapphire
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HARD agree

west cloak
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Or widen it significantly

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And keep it

analog portal
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The stage in general

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The blastzones from the stage

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Shorten the platforms

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Remove half of them

west cloak
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Yeah

tulip plaza
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they made wario ware from smash but somehow its worse then that tiny blast zone stage, I dunno how they managed it

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the dexters one

analog portal
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Yeah

west cloak
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Oh no it’s just as bad as in Smash

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Warioware in Smash has the same insanely small side blast zones

rain ingot
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best of three and im fighting a jason😭

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i feel so bad for him

west cloak
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The only bigger masochists than Jason mains are Velma mains

tiny cave
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Bro the laag didnt get fixed

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I can't control My character

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tiny cave
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Bro there was a taz spamming tornado how do You Even counter that

wide shale
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tornado cant gain height, you can jump over it and wait it out

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just dont try to challenge it

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not sure if it can turn around either

bold condor
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Fern started tweaking and then jumped off the map 😭

knotty sage
dry slate
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Rank's forced best out of three sucks ass in 2v2 if your opponent just gives up and doesn't do anything in the second round

analog portal
dire violet
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Man Arya's just an L for me if I can't react to that down attack

tiny cave
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the damage 😭

tiny cave
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Like bro

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They literally know about that

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They literally closed a channel bc of that

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Tf dym "iron giant nerfs"

dry slate
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For some reason, I got to fight against a casual 1v1 player WHILE IN RANKED. How do you mess up that bad, PFG???

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They had no ranked badge at all. Not even bronze 5. It wasn't even a best of three either. He left after the first match somehow, even though the only option is to play again

feral cargo
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How do.you guys feel about vs Samurai Jack? Felt horrendous at first. Still feels bad but not as horrendous as day 1

dry slate
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Screw ranked. I hope all yall who are trying your hardest to get Masters Jason get there, but I give up. Ranked is actual garbage now.

tiny cave
dry slate
feral cargo
tiny cave
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His hitboxes are garbage

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Otherwise we would be a good oponent

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He isnt that broken

analog portal
feral cargo
tiny cave
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I got stuck in platinum V with jason

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I'm never getting out of there

feral cargo
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I'm still gold 4 or 3

tiny cave
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Ranked are so garbage rn

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This Game is unplayable

feral cargo
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The DC characters are a mental block for me sometimes

feral cargo
radiant nexus
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Jason does hit some of the sickest clips

analog portal
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Jason loses 90% of the match and gets clips the rest of the time

dry slate
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Literally almost every win he gets is worthy of a clip because that's just how sucky Jason is compared to the high tiers

lapis meteor
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Bruh, no hitbox changes

The taz matchup is still imposible 😭

simple spindle
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Even if I manage to get Taz out of tornado, it’s always a trade and me never actually straight up beating it out. The only solution is to get high ground cause you can’t even outrun it with Jason’s speed 😭

dry slate
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I tried out Finn for the first time just to see how easy he is. I 3 stocked another Finn with a 3 star Finn badge. He's so abysmally easy to use

unique pewter
feral cargo
radiant nexus
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I’d say parry but that’s very difficult

unique pewter
feral cargo
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First message got censored for swear word

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Axe grab is so good. I only wish I could grab batman and superman with it when they go for flying grab and dive kick.

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Honestly I think Jason is so beautifully designed in regards to representing horror. I don't think he's as bad as people seem to think. Armor could be a little better. Though with how he's not gotten any big buffs they probably have some good data that keeps them buffing him.

analog portal
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They don't have data they just suck at balancing

feral cargo
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Also has anyone ever landed the air grab on stage and combo'd it with aerial down special? I've done it once but not sure if it was true or if guy just got hit

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I don't agree with that I think after playing 1v1 most of the characters are pretty ok. 2v2 is a different story half of the intended mechanics feel useless there to me.

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IG will forever be a problem and I think Velma might still need buffs but I think most of the others are in good places with some minor tweaks needed.

analog portal
feral cargo
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No I don't play Joker

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Long as the zero to death isn't just looping jabs and one special move or killing before like 80 I say leave it in

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There has to be a skill ceiling or skill gap somewhere

analog portal
feral cargo
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😂

analog portal
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The skill ceiling should be below "you die after getting touched once"

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That's a given

feral cargo
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Well maybe they can try making it a knowledge check. Say bad di means you die to it. If you di properly you escape it

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Not really sure but either way they'll likely remove em

analog portal
feral cargo
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Hopefully the acquisition gets them more staff and such to get better testing and ideas for the balance team

lapis meteor
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rise your hand if you main jason and you have no ides what to do when taz spins

void topaz
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Rage axe..

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Free damage against taz

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Yall are trippin

analog portal
void topaz
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Rage axe

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You have rage

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It hits through

analog portal
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You can't rely on rage all the time

void topaz
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Then keep getting hit by it idk

lapis meteor
void topaz
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Skill issue

radiant nexus
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Not really

round hamlet
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I just realized Uber Jason has the wrong tags

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He's not human, Jason x takes place after he becomes undead

west cloak
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Dude Batman on Cromulons…

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Wtf do you do

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You just can’t land and die at like 100

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GGs @azure slate tough matchup but your Finn is nice

atomic cedar
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just played a joker

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genuinely bottom 3 experience of all time

valid glen
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food... water..... one armored normal for jason and take the hurtboxes off of his weapons.....

atomic cedar
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yeah im not playing ranked at all

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this isnt worth it

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im not sitting through a BO3 against 90% of this roster for the same rewards i was getting playing 1 match

valid glen
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it really isn't. No idea why Superman can have grabs that go across the screen, armored kill moves, and a controllable attack teleport but jason can't do anything against half the cast bc he has one very slow, multi-step special move combo that lets him kill at low percentages

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he just isn't viable at all in 1v1s

west cloak
atomic cedar
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its not enough imo

west cloak
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I just won a 2-1 and got 26 points in platinum 4

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Like it’s not that much worse than if I had won 2 and then lost 1

atomic cedar
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i think it should be 2x as much

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if im having to play triple the games to get to the reward i should get triple the rewards

rose haven
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I saw on Reddit they stealth nerfed us is it true 😭

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tell me it’s just some comment nonsense

radiant nexus
flint tide
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jason is viable in 1v1s

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not good but you can win

west cloak
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I’m not sure I’d say that

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He has too many awful matchups

flint tide
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i mean

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i am literally in masters 1 with him

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the only genuinely near unplayable matchup he has is gizmo

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maybe joker

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there are other ones that are quite bad but you can win those

atomic cedar
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you can win any matchup

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any character is hypothetically viable the problem is the consistency and also the fun factor

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jason in the hands of a top level player is going to be worse than a joker or tom and jerry in the hands of a top level player

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theres also the fact that most of these matchups just arent fun

flint tide
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well yeah

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everything you're saying is correct

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you can still win with him though

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there are some characters that are so bad that you genuinely stop being able to do well with them even if you're good

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he's no velma

atomic cedar
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but even if you can (hypothetically) win the results arent consistent enough which is why nobody says he is viable

west cloak
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I mean sure hypothetically anyone can win and it’s true Jason isn’t as bottom tier trash as Velma

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But like if Jason doesn’t receive any help for the next several months, I’m sure you’ll never see Jason in tournament once everyone becomes super accustomed to the matchup

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Like at a certain point, you’re just gonna skill diff your opponent and someone of equal skill will likely beat you with a better character

west cloak
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I think my opponent quit because I’m stuck on the win screen 1-0

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It’s been 5 minutes what do I do

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I don’t want to force close and lose massive amounts of RP

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And I should be rewarded my RP because my opponent rage quit

analog portal
west cloak
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Ok, now it's been 15 and it's still stuck

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time to force close and see how much I lost

round hamlet
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What am I supposed to do against rick

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I can't approach him

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And he has a true combo from jab that does 50 damage

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Does anybody know

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Or do I just pray I win

flint tide
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Wait for him to use up meseeks

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Approach with iads and teleport to bait attacks and punish

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Rick isn’t really that scary in neutral once meseeks are out of the picture so just jump over them and pay attention to what he does

analog portal
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I don't think So

tiny cave
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Finn was My first character unlocked and i just abandoned him

round hamlet
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I'm the best Jason player

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Insane

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Top 400 🔥

atomic cedar
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every finn match ever is criminally boring

west cloak
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Imma be honest. If I run into a competent Marvin, I’m just gonna suicide

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That was the least fun match I’ve ever played

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And I somehow won one of the three

analog portal
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Marvin is basically what you would get if you designed a counter to Jason

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Infinite projectiles and free armor break

west cloak
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Incredible. My game froze

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Can’t wait to lose like 50 RP from something not in my control

lapis meteor
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😭

tiny cave
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True

round hamlet
round hamlet
radiant nexus
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@analog portal what outfit is Harley wearing again

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For the drawering

radiant nexus
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K

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Cuz I’m boutta draw her

radiant nexus
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Cuz I’m 2/5 of the way done

analog portal
analog portal
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Nvm checked my pings

river delta
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Literally one RP away from a rank-up and I ran into a Bugs. I managed to win 1 but it just wasn't good enough. Sigh

feral cargo
feral cargo
fickle ledge
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Smith doesn't have any way to ignore armor in a way with a move that isn't somewhat reactable, ground only or both.

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So if you get enough rage.

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He's kind of forced to disengage and be on the back foot just to get cooked at 80.

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It's kinda like Rick but without a good projectile or dash attack.

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Cause 2F2B might've saved him if his dash attack wasn't as mediocre at it is.

flint tide
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smith is not a good matchup

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he's too fast to reasonably deal with easily

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his jab is amazing at punishing stuff jason does too

round hamlet
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It's hard to dodge

west cloak
fickle ledge
fickle ledge
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Bro got crazy burst movement in his side-special and dodge cancels.

round hamlet
dry slate
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Neutral aerial special with the neutral special buff is weird. Without the buff, it's 1% on grab, 2% on first hit, 3% on second hit, then 9% on hit and launch, but with the buff you get 6% on grab, a stronger 3% on first hit, a weaker 2% on second hit, and the same 9% as before. It's weird that with the buff, the first and second hits trade damage values.

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Also, aerial down special with the neutral special buff, despite being used up by the first hit, does one less damage than no neutral special buff prior

bleak cosmos
round hamlet
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Why does sometimes someone hits me and I curl into a ball, and I can't move and fall to my death?

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Does this happen to anybody else?

dry slate
west cloak
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It’s a struggle

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It also doesn’t help that everyone plays top tiers

lapis meteor
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Is there a mod here that could pin that?

dry slate
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:)

fickle ledge
# round hamlet Not a skill issue, you don't even know what you're talking about

Alr so I crunched some numbers
Smith neutral-attack when grounded is first active on frame 20 which is 333.3 ms repeating
Avg human reaction time is 250-270 ms faster human reactions can get up to around 180-200 ms.
So you either pay attention to when Smith rears his hand backs or listen for the bug sfx unique to this move.
You should be able to get out of the way when you see it.

round hamlet
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Trying to climb out of gold with jason in this game is straight up the most miserable experience I've ever had

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I don't know if it's a skill issue but it's literally impossible to fight any sort of projectile character

flint tide
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20 frames is reactable but very hard to react to

west cloak
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20 frames is reactable offline, but idk about online

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Also Harley is such a braindead character

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She just kinda mashes sair and it works because Jason sucks

round hamlet
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Everyone just combos him into 70 with no effort whatsoever

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I didn't think he was this bad but he's literally unplayable

void topaz
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he is borderline unplayable in 1s. I am Master V in duos

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Least fun experience imaginable

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I cant do it

unique pewter
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Unplayable seems unfair, but definitely want some buffs... been waiting for them for a while now

round hamlet
round hamlet
dry slate
round hamlet
dry slate
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Idk, ask anyone else trying to do ranked. I gave up after they added the forced BO3.

round hamlet
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Yeah that's extremely painful, I lose to a Arya and get 3 stocked and I can't even quit

dry slate
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I knew people were asking for it, but the way they gave it to us is just not it. Lemme put it this way:

We asked for a glass of water. PFG nodded their heads and gave us a glass of toilet water to drink.

round hamlet
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I feel like the loser should be able to just deny

round hamlet
dry slate
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Nope, but you can apparently lose up to 15 to 30 from what I heard

round hamlet
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And I'm 50/50, I gain the same amount of RP I lose so I straight up can't get past it

round hamlet
dry slate
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Yep

round hamlet
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At this point I'm just gonna switch to jack and reach diamond with no effort idec anymore

west cloak
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Idk if I can reach diamond with Jason

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Hard stuck in plat 3 and haven’t made any progress

round hamlet
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You should be happy I'm hard stuck in gold v

rain ingot
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this character is fun asf im ngl

west cloak
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Also, I hate Cromulons

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Like I won against a Black Adam, but I killed with rage utilt -> uair at literally zero from the platform

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The ceiling is so low it’s stupid

radiant nexus
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This game doesn’t feel designed for ranked

analog portal
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Croms is stupid but in my experience the low ceiling has been helpful

rain ingot
analog portal
rain ingot
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they kinda left 2v2s to rott tbh

west cloak
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Cromulons would be fine with a larger ceiling

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I was playing against a Joker earlier and died at 40 to jab because of the ceiling

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Jab -> dair -> down special -> side special -> uair

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That shouldn’t be killing Jason of all characters at 40

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Dexters either needs a complete overhaul to make the stage bigger or just remove it entirely from ranked

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Smallest side blast comes with the smallest stage width

analog portal
west cloak
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It screws me over more times than it helps

analog portal
analog portal
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Tbf most maps need to be bigger

west cloak
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It’s the blast zones

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They weren’t adjusted for the larger character sizes

analog portal
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The stages themselves also need to be bigger

west cloak
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No that just promotes camping a lot more

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The only stage that needs to be bigger is Dexters

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Dexters should be like 1.5x as wide with larger side blast zones

analog portal
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You say that like Dexters is a lot smaller than the others

west cloak
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It is

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Like the second smallest is Cromulons, but there are the side speakers you can break and that makes the side blast zones the furthest away

analog portal
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I'm talking platform size

west cloak
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The main stage

analog portal
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Yes

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Blastzone wise yes, Dexters is microscopic

west cloak
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Yes Dexters is the smallest, then Cromulons, then Tree Fort

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And the rest of the stages are normal size

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With Scooby’s and Townsville being the longest

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While Townsville also has disgustingly small side blast zones due to the parts of it never breaking, the stage width is at least enough for the side blast zones not to be as egregious since most fights are in the center

analog portal
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We need more stages that aren't tiny or covered in platforms

west cloak
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I think the skyzone stage width is the best width

analog portal
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Skyflats/plats?

west cloak
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Yeah

analog portal
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Yeah, we need more that size

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Most stages are smaller than it

west cloak
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Appropriately sized stage width with appropriately sized blast zones

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I will say I’m ok with differing blast zone sizes

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But I don’t like how easy it is to get cheesed on Dexters and Cromulons

analog portal
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If you have a decently sized stage then you get away with small blastzones.

west cloak
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That’s why I don’t have as much of an issue with Townsville

analog portal
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They just need to make the main platform larger in general

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Townsville comp is one of my favorite stages

west cloak
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But Dexters is small stage width wise and blast zone wise

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I think I like the 2-platform Wonder Woman stage the best

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Can’t remember the name offhand

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The floor is grass and there’s the Wonder Woman statue in the background or something

round hamlet
west cloak
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I will say I don’t understand why we don’t have sky zone 3 platform available

west cloak
analog portal
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Is trophies in ranked?

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I can't remember if I've seen it in 1s but it might be a 2s stage

west cloak
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It exists in 1v1

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But I don’t get it often

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I get Dexters, Cromulons, Tree Fort, and Townsville by far the most often

analog portal
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I swear the bad maps have a higher chance

west cloak
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In order of most common, it probably goes:

  1. Dexters
  2. Cromulons
  3. Townsville
  4. Tree Fort
  5. Skyzone (no platforms)
  6. Trophy’s Edge
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Which is like literally the exact opposite of the order I’d want to see

round hamlet
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Did they remove water tower from ranked? I've never seen it

radiant nexus
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Yeah

west cloak
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They removed it like day 2

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Another case of way too low of a ceiling

tulip plaza
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I was noticing a lack of water tower, I just thought I was getting unlucky

round hamlet
lapis meteor
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Dear jason mains

Have any of you ever used Zombie step (Grounded down attack) outside of being comboed after jab jab

lapis meteor
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Funny how both of his Grounded down attacks are ass but his aerial down attacks are stronk

river delta
analog portal
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Whenever I land on a platform accidentally instead of doing down air

lapis meteor
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does that even hti that far bellow the platform?

analog portal
lapis meteor
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So you do it out of reaction?

analog portal
lapis meteor
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oh

missreaded

analog portal
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Nah I edited it because I wasn't clear, you're good\

lapis meteor
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any rcommendation to end the combo lads?

river delta
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Everyone says Jason's so much better in 2s but I feel like I'm awful in 2s. I don't get it at all

lapis meteor
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i kinda agree,in 2s jason can be rescued more easily by its teamates

analog portal
lapis meteor
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can land decidibe blows

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or just

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the sleepignbag passing from one of the worst thing created

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to actually pretty good

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(wouldnt be surprised if pfg doesnt buff it because how strong is in 2v2)

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Not only that

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Since the bag always gets throw into a predictable position

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Your teamate can follow it

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And get absurdly early kills

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Or not even following it up

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Sometimes just lettingem break free from the bag is a death sentence

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Since your teamates can fully charge a attack waiting for them to do so

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Irs absolutly freaking nuts

river delta
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In fairness it might just be the 2v2 matchmaking pairing me up with some real bad players lol

tiny cave
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Agree

lapis meteor
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Yrp but he has the potential to be a absolute beast

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The bag

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Is pretty freaking strong*

tiny cave
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Sleeping bag also works in 1v1 (only if the oponent wastes his Dodge meter)

river delta
lapis meteor
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Sleeping bag is too much risk for so little rewards

tiny cave
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If You grab someone with 120-150 damage with the sleeping bag its a death confirm

river delta
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Sure but so is jab jab side special at that %

tiny cave
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True

river delta
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And if you miss jab you won't have 100 years of whiff lag lol

tiny cave
#

Killing a oponent with sleeping bag is kinda humiliating for the oponent

#

I like killing tóxic people with the sleeping bag

#

Specially finns BC they like to waste dodges

lapis meteor
#

Bag has one advantage tho

tiny cave
#

Sleeping bag is actually good for toxicing in 1v1 lol

lapis meteor
#

Is that you can walk the enemy to the ledge

tiny cave
#

Camping edge

#

Or trying to combo the bag

#

I remember once i did a combo with the sleeping bag but i don't have the clip

#

You can throw them and then side air

#

Im pretty sure they can't dodge that

#

Depends on knockback

analog portal
tiny cave
#

The only use for bag in 1v1 is being toxic lol

lapis meteor
#

The bag is also really good against a watermelon happy steven

#

Since hitting with the bag itself

#

Hits hard

#

And is a HUGE hitbox

analog portal
lapis meteor
#

You bag the Watermelon because it has no brain

#

Then you have A clubbing stick that hits like a truck and that can cover most of the stage

radiant nexus
#

I posted a Jason art if anyone is interested

simple spindle
#

I'm 1 week on trying to get Jason into Master's. I'm gold IV and losing it. Superman and Jake are my worst matchups for some reason.

tiny cave
west cloak
trim pike
#

Does anyone have tips for fighting against good Finns as Jason?

west cloak
#

GGs dude

#

Also no Finn just kinda wins and I haven’t found the answer myself

lapis meteor
#

Mods, exile him from the jason nation back to Finnland

west cloak
#

What?

#

I’m not a Finn main lmao

#

We had a Jason ditto

lapis meteor
#

Thats what a finn main would say

west cloak
#

Accusing someone of being a Finn main sounds like a coverup for being a Finn main yourself…

lapis meteor
trim pike
west cloak
#

Alright, made it to platinum 1. That’s enough for now

lapis meteor
#

Nuh uh

#

Never enough

#

Keep grinding

timber cedar
#

99% of multiversus players quit ranked before they hit it big

west cloak
#

That’s what they want you to think

#

More like 99% of Multiversus players quit ranked immediately after they lose to a masters player in bronze

analog portal
rugged cradle
#

in that case, Since gizmo channel is dead, someone who plays him can say me which is better, flammable or snowball effect?

radiant nexus
rose haven
#

Anyone else notice teammates in ranked 2v2s must be drooling on their controllers or something

#

Or do i just suck

#

I’d play in a party but that requires friends 🤷‍♂️

high matrix
#

This game seems to hate Jason, he's literally slow, there are barely any combos with him and on top of that he gets NERFED XD. He's the only tank that doesn't have armor on his attacks and his HITBOX IS BIG. Meanwhile Samurai Jack and Iron Giant are still OP

#

This game doesn't know how to balance its characters very well. I find it funny how Samurai Jack has enough things to defend himself and counterattack while Jason is a piñata like the Iron Giant but weaker.

nimble mirage
#

And for some reason he has the same weight as Superman even though Jason is way bigger

high matrix
#

I'm a Gold League player with Jason and honestly, he's quite complicated to play against when it comes to Harley, Samurai Jack or the worst of all, Tom and Jerry. The character being quite slow makes it very difficult to defend against quite fast and annoying characters like these.

#

I've been getting frustrated with this game lately, because besides the servers going down from time to time (THEY SUPPOSEDLY FIXED THIS IN SEASONS 2) and the lag sometimes, the character balance leaves a lot to be desired.

#

The game is currently quite unbalanced honestly

nimble mirage
#

If you play Jason you have to be mentally prepared for unfair matchups. You just have to be a much better player than your opponent most of the time

rugged cradle
spare basin
#

Your weakness of getting speed blitzed and combod doesn't matter as much

nimble mirage
#

Gross

spare basin
#

But you still get the full benefit of killing at 20%

timber cedar
#

I ain’t dealing with randoms

spare basin
#

I dont deal with randoms either

round hamlet
#

Im top #420 jason

#

No way

radiant nexus
#

I like the car one

#

But some people think giving the singing more utility is better

#

It’s all up to you

west cloak
flint tide
#

nah

#

if you're the team punching bag in 2v2s you're doing something wrong

#

you can complain about jason in 1v1s but jason is actually cracked in 2v2s

spare sparrow
#

yeah

#

tell em king

#

I love doing the charge axe

west cloak
#

I mean, it depends on who you’re teaming with

#

If you don’t have a good team comp, then yeah you kinda have to be the punching bag

radiant nexus
#

I think they’re scared of buffing Jason cuz he’s already great in 2s

nimble mirage
#

So I guess Jason has to be bottom tier in 1v1 so he can be mid tier in doubles

radiant nexus
#

Sad reality

west cloak
#

Honestly, Jason only truly needs like 2 buffs. Remove his hand hurtbox and don’t allow armor breaks to remove rage (or at least nerf the armor killer perk interaction)

analog portal
#

Fix his disjoints and buff his rage

radiant nexus
#

True

#

And revert his jab 1 nerf

analog portal
west cloak
#

I’d also like a reduction in the whiff lag of his bag, but I doubt it’ll even happen

flint tide
#

that would be pointless

#

because even if you land bag it sucks

#

the move is bad

west cloak
#

I know

flint tide
#

the move should be completely reworked or replaced

west cloak
#

The move has low reward and extreme risk

analog portal
flint tide
#

they do actually

radiant nexus
#

It’s a fun move that can work, it’s just too weak

analog portal
#

At least making the whiff better would help when I accidentally use the move

flint tide
#

a recent poll pfg put up has jason as number 1 for tank considering a rework/rebalance

nimble mirage
#

Jason could use more weight, he’s the same weight as Superman’s. He needs a sleeping bag buff/rework. Resurrection perk needs a buff/rework. He needs armor on something.

radiant nexus
#

Unless you have a Rick

flint tide
#

so they pretty much confirmed they are planning to look very hard into him

analog portal
radiant nexus
west cloak
#

Actually the biggest thing I don’t think anyone has said regarding what makes Jason so easy to randomly hit is the fact that while in the air, he A-poses

flint tide
#

wtf do the legal rights of jason have to do with balancing his moveset

radiant nexus
#

Reworking it means they’d have to get permission

#

Since they’d be changing it completely

#

Like if they removed the bag, they have to ask if they can and what they’re allowed to use

flint tide
#

making new moves isn't the only way you rework a character

radiant nexus
#

Jason has super annoying rights to work around

west cloak
#

They’re not gonna completely change moves

flint tide
#

you can fundamentally change the functionality

radiant nexus
#

I’m just saying

flint tide
#

they did that to jake

radiant nexus
#

If they did change the move entirely

#

I know

#

Just saying

#

It’s probably the reason he hasn’t gotten a ton of skins too

#

I think the bag works just fine, just needs some tlc

flint tide
#

on the subreddit

#

i don't have it on me but if you just look for the poll its probably there

radiant nexus
#

Alright

#

I don’t have Reddit but I’ll take your word for it

flint tide
#

yea

analog portal
#

Thats not Player First Games, thats just some random guy

flint tide
#

oh is it

#

my bad then

analog portal
#

His last poll got less than 200 votes, don't hold your breath on them taking action off of that

radiant nexus
#

Doesn’t on the character select screen either

analog portal
#

Sometimes it has the Voorhees

west cloak
#

Yeah Jason in the Rift mode has his full name

radiant nexus
#

And in his moveset section

#

It’s weird

#

Again I think his licensing has something to do with it

analog portal
radiant nexus
#

I hope they’d fix it

round hamlet
#

Remove reindog

#

How do I even beat him

tiny cave
#

He's called vorhees

#

Even if the fighters selection screen but for some reason only the tooniverse skin has the vorhees

west cloak
# round hamlet How do I even beat him

You need to use rage a lot against him to tank through his projectile wall. When you do use rage tho, most Reindogs will spam dtilt to try and break you out of it. You can punish it with jump into dair or I think trade with it using dash attack

round hamlet
west cloak
#

It’s still a rough matchup tho

#

You can call out their dodge

#

I ran into a Reindog who just spammed dtilt into dodge back while I had rage

#

I punished the dodge with dodge cancel sair to stop them from mindlessly dodging (it didn’t work and they continued to get hit)

#

I will say I’ve tried to dash attack through the projectile wall and it often doesn’t work from my experience

#

The fireball often just hits Jason’s head

round hamlet
#

Yeah it's broken I tried

west cloak
#

I don’t get why he doesn’t have full body projectile intangibility

west cloak
#

It has to collide with the dash attack hitbox

#

If they want to fix it without giving him full body projectile intangibility, add an extra hitbox on his head

#

I imagine the only reason they didn’t give him full body projectile intangibility is because it’s not something readily available to add in the code and they’d need to build that functionality from the ground up

analog portal
radiant nexus
#

I don’t even have that one

west cloak
#

Like I wouldn’t be surprised if they can only add the armor property to hurtboxes and projectile intangibility on attack hitboxes with their current system

radiant nexus
analog portal
#

Same

#

I might buy the toonverse version if it goes on sale

round hamlet
radiant nexus
round hamlet
#

And why do I have so much end lag on my attacks as the literal slowest character in the game but the fastest have none whatsoever

radiant nexus
#

The “Jason goes…”

analog portal
#

The new one?

radiant nexus
#

I think

#

Where it’s just him

#

Not the one with Velma

analog portal
#

I think I saw that one, looks good

#

Its way too expensive though

radiant nexus
#

200 is a bit much

#

When it goes on sale I’ll get it

analog portal
#

Sucks they only go on sale for 180

radiant nexus
#

I’m saving irl money for Brainy Gremlin and other things

#

So I might skip on it based off my gleamium count

analog portal
#

Brain Gremlin is hype

radiant nexus
#

Very much so

analog portal
#

Only thing I've used premium gleamium on is the circuit drone wowo and that was very worth it

radiant nexus
#

I’ve only used it on a Marvin skin

west cloak
#

Like this game relaunched in a similar state to the beta at its launch

#

They’ve been playing catch-up for months

#

We still don’t have all the QoL features from the beta

analog portal
#

It doesn't matter if its how it is because of incompetence or deadlines, they still need to fix it

radiant nexus
#

From what ive heard the dev team is super small

west cloak
#

It is

radiant nexus
#

I think around 20ish people or less

#

So we should cut them a bit of slack

#

Considering they have to make literally everything in the game work

west cloak
#

Like they’re doing the best they can with a small team on a limited budget with strict deadlines

radiant nexus
#

People gotta be nicer to them

west cloak
#

I don’t ever fault PFG

#

Unless something is specifically designed poorly

flint tide
#

I will not give them slack

#

Their decisions are dumb

#

Their implementation of mechanics are dumb

#

Bad decisions should be complained about

radiant nexus
#

Not complained

#

Criticized

#

Complaining does nothing

flint tide
#

Yeah better word for it

#

I agree i should’ve said that cause there’s a difference between proper criticism and

#

General chat

radiant nexus
#

Constructive criticism, worded kindly and thoughtfully will always be more effective than blatant rudeness and complaining

west cloak
#

Lmao I never look in general

radiant nexus
west cloak
#

It’s a cesspool of toxicity and brainrot

flint tide
#

Yeah but sometimes good players talk there and i get to ask them to play : )

radiant nexus
#

I beat the number 5 stripe as stripe from talking there

analog portal
#

Constant barrage of useless complaining

#

Clips is basically a better general

west cloak
#

Yeah it’s mostly just people saying “nerf x”

#

Because people want to be handed free wins instead of actually working for it

#

“If a character I don’t play has a strength, I want it removed”

#

Is basically the logic

round hamlet
#

I wish we could talk about speculation instead

#

Nobody wants to speculate with me about the ppg

analog portal
west cloak
#

We have zero context on anything that they’d do

#

Or how they’d even work

#

We just know they’re leaked in the game files

#

Iirc

#

Personally, I never watched the show so I have no comment on their moveset

analog portal
#

They're all one character so they're either like Aegis or T&J

#

Probably T&J, with different girls handling different attacks but all flying around each other

tiny cave
#

Even the win amount badge has his full name

round hamlet
analog portal
#

Season 3 probably

round hamlet
#

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that actually likes this game and thinks of other things instead of complaining

round hamlet
analog portal
round hamlet
analog portal
#

We don't have anything about them except one render right?

#

They don't seem finished

round hamlet
analog portal
#

I'm still very skeptical

round hamlet
#

They're probably coming with beetlejuice
But we'll see

#

A character having a full render in the files has never happened before, not even beetlejuice
So it's weird that they'd have that

analog portal
#

What cosmetics do yall run with Jason?

#

I'm thinking about getting the Scooby ghosts banner for him

round hamlet
#

Just the usual, I don't switch cosmetics for characters

#

I usually use the full beta banner, the man of tomorrow profile picture, the gossamer ringout and the badges for Jason superman and batman

analog portal
#

Pretty good

lapis meteor
#

Have you guys ever thought that we complain a bit too much about our character

#

Despite being us the ones who choose to main jason

#

Because it was probably free for most of us

#

😔

radiant nexus
#

I like him cuz the movies are good

#

He looks really cool

#

And I like playing grapplers

analog portal
#

I play him because he's fun (when I'm not getting infinitely comboed because I'm large)

radiant nexus
#

And I like heavies

#

Jason was made for me

analog portal
#

Tanks are peak

spare sparrow
#

Yoooo

#

bro im so nastyy

#

i beat a tom and jerry super looper

#

who was in masters

spare sparrow
round hamlet
#

Looking at beta footage is so cursed

#

The tiny mode in the rift is exactly how it was like

#

Why is everybody so tiny

spare sparrow
#

Ikr, and it looks fast forward-ed, I wonder how jason wouldve played in the beta,

west cloak
analog portal
west cloak
#

Disadvantage didn’t exist in the beta

#

Everyone just dodge jumped away free

analog portal
#

Idk how anyone misses it

west cloak
#

It was fun to move around

#

But like 1v1 was a joke

tiny cave
radiant nexus
#

Looked it up

#

Yeah those are a staple of the films

tiny cave
#

I Even re watched the movies from part 1 to 8

#

Bc i didnt watch all of them

#

Just part 7,8 and 3

#

Also fvj

round hamlet
#

What about part 9

west cloak
#

Seven ate nine

tiny cave
round hamlet
#

Oh true

#

The other ones aren't even on HBO for me

analog portal
#

I just realized Jason doesn't have a ringouts badge, this sucks

tiny cave
#

They should add a max level

#

Being 20

#

Instead of 15

#

Being the max level the amount of ringouts

#

Or 30 levels instead with the level badge at 25 and tooniverse skin at level 30

analog portal
#

Why would you put a cap on levels

tiny cave
#

Bc beyond level 15 they give You upgrades or fighter currency randomly

spare basin
tiny cave
#

Like Superman

spare basin
#

For example, at level 30, Jack would get a black gi with gold lining and a gold sword

analog portal
#

Tooniverse is bad mastery skin, its almost exactly the same

spare basin
tiny cave
analog portal
spare basin
analog portal
#

If only

round hamlet
#

I just fought a diamond black Adam who did the same unscapable combo on me that did 50 damage

#

I'm literally in gold 3

#

This game pisses me off so much

lapis meteor
#

Dont worry

One day pfg will one day stop ignoring us, and give jason finger armor

round hamlet
#

Finger armor??

spare sparrow
#

@round hamlet you aint seen nothin yet.... I have experienced such torment using jason that i had to learn meditation

round hamlet
spare sparrow
#

we can 1v1 if you want, i can point out where you go wrong

lapis meteor
#

79% of the time

rancid schooner
#

any repo of jason tech/combos?

void topaz
#

Tooniverse skin + Pumpkin patch background and my 1.6k win bade

#

goes hard

round hamlet
radiant nexus
#

Any Jason wanna 1v1

round hamlet
spare sparrow
round hamlet
#

How do I invite you

radiant nexus
spare sparrow
#

@round hamlet im here now, i swear... Im ready to 1v1 you

#

im ready

round hamlet
#

Dang

#

@spare sparrow ur insane

spare sparrow
#

@round hamlet you're good, but you dont combo enough, thats letting you down

#

also heres my exclusive tech tip: you can di your side special, which allows you to turn from aerial to ground, it throws off people without them realising

radiant nexus
spare sparrow
#

buff jason

radiant nexus
#

Yes

round hamlet
#

Man I suck

#

I can't do anything I feel like

#

:((

spare sparrow
#

nah remember im top of jason leaderboards

radiant nexus
#

Can I spectate

spare sparrow
#

think of me like dollar store gsmvoid

#

yeah you can

round hamlet
#

I just don't get how you're moving so fast

spare sparrow
#

then you can rotate in

#

if you want

radiant nexus
#

Sry just started a ranked game

#

Will join after

radiant nexus
#

Like how we did in nasb with Arizen

spare sparrow
#

cool whats ur user

round hamlet
#

Man

radiant nexus
spare sparrow
#

well tbf im particularly good at the jason matchup, but know that you can buffer moves into the side special, such that you can basically tp into a combo

round hamlet
#

Wdym

spare sparrow
#

i mean like, the endlag on

#

uhh

#

the tp

#

isnt that long

round hamlet
#

Oh yeah I know that

spare sparrow
#

so you can like do a move

round hamlet
#

There's some loops

spare sparrow
#

anyways

round hamlet
#

But that's about it

spare sparrow
#

ready up or let the other guy rotate

round hamlet
#

I don't really know his combo game

spare sparrow
#

oh

round hamlet
#

It's hard to connect stuff

spare sparrow
#

its jab jab teleport

#

or

#

jab jab axe

round hamlet
#

That's the only stuff I know

spare sparrow
#

oh

#

well grab combos into jabs

round hamlet
#

I'm not aggressive enough right?

spare sparrow
#

and spike works into up attack

#

yeah

#

yeah ur not

round hamlet
#

But it's pretty hard to approach people sometimes

radiant nexus
#

May the best Jason win

#

Oof

round hamlet
#

What happened

#

LOL

spare sparrow
#

basically

#

that is legit

round hamlet
#

I have no idea what just happened ngl

spare sparrow
#

because the move stuns and you stopped me from swinging youj

#

so the stun of the axe move

#

lasted

round hamlet
#

Is that a glitch

spare sparrow
#

kinda

#

probably

radiant nexus
#

So basically you got cheesed

spare sparrow
#

more 'tech'

#

yeah, basically the duration of the move stuns even if the move doesnt happen

#

ok swap with phantom

#

basically the thing with jason is

#

you cant counter in disadvantage

#

you have to reposition and counter

#

atleast

#

or just go back to being neutral

round hamlet
#

You were doing the jump dodge boost right

#

That's how you were moving so fast

dry slate
#

Arya just killed me at 30

#

Hell

round hamlet
radiant nexus
#

Same

round hamlet
#

I think Jason is actually insane in the right hands now

#

He's so good

dry slate
#

Is it Jason VS Jason yall are doin?

radiant nexus
#

Yes

dry slate
#

Mind if I give it a go? I need the practice, I suck at the ditto matchup

radiant nexus
#

Ye

#

We doing a rotation thing

dry slate
#

Ight

round hamlet
#

Keeps disconnecting

#

Damn

radiant nexus
#

I winned

spare sparrow
#

oh sould i invite kaptain

round hamlet
#

It's disconnecting for me

#

I can't watch it

dry slate
round hamlet
#

@spare sparrow I'll leave can you invite me again I can't spectate

spare sparrow
dry slate
spare sparrow
#

ur appearing offline

#

somehow

#

@dry slate

dry slate
#

MultiVersus crapping itself again?

radiant nexus
#

Maybe

spare sparrow
#

hmm

dry slate
#

I'll restart the game real quick

spare sparrow
#

yeah do

#

phantom lets run a game

#

in the meanwhile

round hamlet
#

Invite me again I wasn't seeing it

radiant nexus
#

alright

spare sparrow
#

@round hamlet done

radiant nexus
spare sparrow
#

maybe better maybe worse

radiant nexus
#

Yo let’s go

spare sparrow
#

honestly depends

dry slate
#

I should be online now

spare sparrow
#

cuz like, Uncle Spamuel and Slowser ive both beaten sometimes

round hamlet
#

Hope it works

spare sparrow
#

ok cool wait for us to finish this (definitely swift) game

radiant nexus
spare sparrow
#

probs cuz im eu

round hamlet
#

And you guys are insane I have no idea how you play like that

dry slate
#

Damn, I have to restart my game again because none of my characters are showing up lmao

round hamlet
#

It seems to not let me watch the match and it just disconnects when someone wins

#

Awesome game

dry slate
#

...oh well, I have Jason at least equipped lol

#

Guess my characters are just gone for now

#

And all my account cosmetics

round hamlet
#

I hate when that happens to me

radiant nexus
#

Oh my

#

That last stock

spare sparrow
#

that was something

#

sent you an invite kaleb

radiant nexus
#

I’d say you’re better but not by a huge amount

spare sparrow
#

Show me what you got

dry slate
#

My turn?

spare sparrow
#

yeah ready up

radiant nexus
#

Btw since I don’t the badge on, my win count is 590 something

round hamlet
#

Yeah game isn't working I can't spectate rip

radiant nexus
#

NOOO

round hamlet
#

How was the match like

#

Who won?

radiant nexus
#

Macmumin

#

By quite a bit

round hamlet
#

That was so quick

dry slate
#

Jesus he's good

radiant nexus
#

Hey ur not that bad

spare sparrow
#

btw i consider emoting a legit strat in using jason, its good as bait

radiant nexus
#

Oh my

spare sparrow
#

yk what we should rotate

#

so like

#

dgw

#

join

#

its koth

radiant nexus
#

Whoever wins stays in and we rotate

spare sparrow
#

yup

dry slate
#

Yee

spare sparrow
#

ready up king

#

@round hamlet

radiant nexus
#

I need anybody to get a kill with the Sleeping Bag

spare sparrow
#

bruh

#

impossible....

round hamlet
radiant nexus
#

We have one of every skin in here now

spare sparrow
#

if im a stock up against anyone ill do it

#

yeah lol

#

we should keep it that way

radiant nexus
#

Yes

round hamlet
#

@spare sparrow wait you're not using sidestep perk

#

Is it bad actually?

spare sparrow
#

not bad

#

i just dont

dry slate
#

I'm with Macumin. It feels finnicky at times, but it has it's uses

radiant nexus
#

I definitely like it more

#

Feels more quality of life

dry slate
#

He used the bag!

radiant nexus
#

You know before the jab 1 nerf, you could jab into bag

dry slate
#

Yea

spare sparrow
#

);

round hamlet
#

I got a stock at least

spare sparrow
#

no more bag (best mvs move)

radiant nexus
#

Easily the best move hands down

#

Pls nerf

spare sparrow
#

phantom ur up