I’m hoping we get the remaining features from the beta this upcoming week
#Jason
west cloak
tulip plaza
the new rift and difficultly is tomorrow, maybe there'll be an update to go with it
west cloak
I feel like Tony would’ve said something on Twitter if an update was going to go live tomorrow
tulip plaza
true
west cloak
My guess is the update will be like Thursday
minor radish
the new rift and difficultly is tomorrow, maybe there'll be an update to go with...
New difficulty??
tulip plaza
insanity and looney I assume
minor radish
the 4th difficulty is actually being released?
tulip plaza
I mean I would assume it would drop before the 5th difficulty, or with it
but the 5th one says its tomorrow iirc
unless I'm a crazy person and am remembering wrong
minor radish
can i ask please ask where you found this out
tulip plaza
okay I'm just crazy
it was july 10th
sometimes I wonder how I function in this world
apologies for the confusion there, my brain just doesn't exist pfft
lapis mist
dont ever insult gannondorf like that again
he at least has some kind of tools in neutral
i called jason being bottom tier on day 1 lol. then i had to listen to all the NPCs on here go "but void said, but void said"
and here we are
minor radish
I learned my lesson from Smash to never listen to any players anymore when it comes to tier lists
Jason is my favorite to play but I'm not exactly winning most of my games with him
Jason is cool
honest yoke
he at least has some kind of tools in neutral
Jason has tools in neutral though
main belfry
tbf yeah jason isnt great
but hes fun
thats why we play him
the matches were you get to just do jason things feel great
median geyser
& he's iconic
Ofc we all love him returning to the media after staying ded for almost a decade
median geyser
the matches were you get to just do jason things feel great
The satsifying blade sounds... woof
median geyser
Jason has tools in neutral though
Not air neutral though...
honest yoke
Air down special is incredible for neutral
median geyser
Air down special is incredible for neutral
Most of high lvs expect the ground slash but yeah if you get the ground slash, then it's over for them
honest yoke
Dash jump aerials are also really good with him
median geyser
Although I think his uair special is bit underwhelming
main belfry
Yeah after learning it from dtm i like to do it in 2s with my friend
they dont expect a 500kmh jason to shank them round start
median geyser
DTM is currently cooking with Jason ngl
By the Multiversus trailer, anyone surprised of Jason making it into the game? What are y'all reactions?
main belfry
pretty sure he was fed up with the no communication etc
devout burrow
DTM is currently cooking with Jason ngl
he is currently done with tourneys until a patch
I am now the only jason doing anything
median geyser
But im pretty fed up with the game too
Same... I kinda fed up when Jason sort of half baked
median geyser
he is currently done with tourneys until a patch
Until ranked comes out?
Ah this is the reason...
main belfry
yeah ill probably wait for ranked or a general patch improving jason, its just no reward for fighting comparatively fights where i have to work 1.5x as hard as my opponent is just unrewarding
median geyser
yeah ill probably wait for ranked or a general patch improving jason, its just n...
Not really
You've to work almost 2x harder while playing as Jason
Even his uair special ain't good to me at all... it's good at dealing dmg & hits don't get me wrong... but its slow startup makes it extremely reactable...
eager temple
I believe Jason has the potential to be one of the most broken characters in the game with the right tweaks
main belfry
ofc thatsn every character ever lol
median geyser
I believe Jason has the potential to be one of the most broken characters in the...
What tweaks will make him broken really?
eager temple
I really want to main this character regularly
median geyser
I really want to main this character regularly
Same here... he's the most first iconic horror icon to be appeared in the game & even after almost a decade of hell
devout burrow
What tweaks will make him broken really?
the changes to rage mode that people seem to want would break this character lmao
if they let you whiff they would have to cut the total duration massively or cut the speed bonus
which would lead to it just being less unique
median geyser
the changes to rage mode that people seem to want would break this character lma...
Rage I think is mostly fine but remove the armor perks that are affecting it
devout burrow
it would kill part of the character's identity
median geyser
But at the same time, Jason need armor moves
How can a fast character like Wonder Woman has armor moves but Jason doesn't? Make no sense
devout burrow
I think making rage unaffected by armor breaking moves is super interesting
it probably will not happen
median geyser
I think making rage unaffected by armor breaking moves is super interesting
It's obv called GRAY HEALTH not ARMOR
devout burrow
the way the passive is worded makes jason players cope and seethe and mald
my bigger problem is that thr passive literally doesn't function outside of rage mode
main belfry
honestly give jason the option at 200% with rage to instakill
when he hits the grab (neutral air special) or axe (neutral ground normal)
devout burrow
I mean it does instantly kill at that percent lul
eager temple
But at the same time, Jason need armor moves
👆👆👆👆
devout burrow
You've to work almost 2x harder while playing as Jason
I don't really care how much more effort I have to put in
I will simply be one of the best players in the world
median geyser
I will simply be one of the best players in the world
Try your best
I'm not sure if devs even listen to us but yeah
median geyser
Yes...
devout burrow
I'll see if I can't win this small tourney today
I've been at least hitting the top third of tourneys
frozen holly
Jason's pretty good until you go up against a banana Guard
buoyant adder
devout burrow
in a vaccuum, jason is good
rapid cargo
...
how does he get that small to be inside a vaccuum?
or, or is the vaccuum just that large?
main belfry
No its just, the characters around him have better things
imagine jason had a T0D but it would only be applicable in certain situation
that would still make him bad in comparison
alone hed be good, big buttons, a ,,armor" move and lots and lots of kill potential
but compare him to harley, wonder woman, joker
hes not that great
rapid cargo
If he did have armor on one move what do you think it should be?
main belfry
Probably his Axe
the charged one
but realistically i just want the grounded Up special to hit two people
it would fix so much about his weakness in 2s
rapid cargo
For real, grounded uair feels like it would help a lot with some armor.
Axe would bring up his tier a bit though
would be nice
i got around 40k last night in my top dog ranking with basically Jason alone lol
main belfry
it wouldve been so much grind in a game that slowly stops making fun XD nah
asides yeah 2s really suck
rapid cargo
I'm only doing 1v1s, 2s is such a meme mode. You only really need projectiles or large AOE attacks
knotty sage
a lot of my group is afk it seems
i wish my group was afk my top 2 both have like 50k xp while im at 3rd with 26k
minor radish
Kid named Black Adam + Stripe
rapid cargo
Most satisfying Jason thing,
when Bugs puts a safe down and jumps to the other side so he can kick it at you.
Then you grounded up special and catch him in your axe grab lol
knotty sage
i also just realized how dumb this event is bc its a week long wait for just a single BP level
minor radish
Yeah
rapid cargo
i wish my group was afk my top 2 both have like 50k xp while im at 3rd with 26k
JEEZ , yeah I'd quit right there
minor radish
Considering I have gotten like 70 hours in the past week and a half you think I would have unlocked this character already
minor radish
i wish my group was afk my top 2 both have like 50k xp while im at 3rd with 26k
I don't know why I keep finding AFK guys—it just prolongs me getting to my next match, AND the game thinks I don't deserve the XP points for top dog just because of one AFK opponent
rapid cargo
You think Tony who worked on League of Legends would implement the same type of model where you can easily earn currency within a few matches to buy new champions.
But nope, gotta make the grind unbearable
minor radish
It wants you to do one thing, but limits you when you willingly do that thing
I don't know how to word this without sounding mean, because the devs get enough hate already, but man is this really confusing
rapid cargo
It's things like this that make me not want to actually buy skins to support the game.
I'd happily do it if their whole system wasn't so predatory.
knotty sage
ik its likely WB but when PFG literally only says anything when you mention the store it gets a little disapointing
rapid cargo
They're most like under some stupid clause.
Good ole WB killing their games and company reputation
median geyser
Jason's pretty good until you go up against a banana Guard
Jason has some of worst matchups
rapid cargo
sorry i'm being super negative here
median geyser
Probably his Axe
The neutral ground one?
median geyser
For real, grounded uair feels like it would help a lot with some armor.
I really didn't even use this move a lot though...
Shoulda use it more often
rapid cargo
I really didn't even use this move a lot though...
my favourite combo at low percentage is jab 1 > jab 2 > grounded side special > grounded uair
people don't expect the bed at the end lol
median geyser
my favourite combo at low percentage is jab 1 > jab 2 > grounded side special > ...
Why not the grab at the end?
Grab at the end feels more useful to me...
rapid cargo
I should rephrase that I like using it to follow up with uair on characters with bad aerials that hit underneath them, because you can juggle a little bit and get an early stock if they're bad
median geyser
I see...
rapid cargo
or big characters too
median geyser
I'm thinking what's the best way to use neutral ground
Coz I've been relying on combos too much
I mean Machete combos
median geyser
Is there *any* reason why air up special is THAT strong?
It isn't strong
devout burrow
because it's slower than all the other ones that kill lul
rapid cargo
I'm thinking what's the best way to use neutral ground
Maybe as a hard read? Either that or I use it only with his neutral special
tropic eagle
It isn't strong
Literally kills at 80.
median geyser
I see...
median geyser
Literally kills at 80.
Easy to dodge but good rewarding
devout burrow
I'm thinking what's the best way to use neutral ground
the answer is you really odn't
median geyser
dair special is also insanely good if you hit the ground slash
median geyser
the answer is you really odn't
Need armor for sure to be better
devout burrow
neutral smash is just
meh
I don't think that move actually needs to be good tho
it's sort of fine to beat inward dodges
median geyser
How many weapons do Jason have in this game?
rapid cargo
you can also edgeguard with grounded neutral and neutral special. The hitbox lingers for a frame after the animation and catches some people offguard
devout burrow
yea it's decent to hit people who are on the edge
median geyser
you can also edgeguard with grounded neutral and neutral special. The hitbox lin...
I see...
rapid cargo
yea it's decent to hit people who are on the edge
How do you deal with the Black Adam matchup?
median geyser
How do you deal with the Black Adam matchup?
Black Adam is ridiculous
median geyser
Obv
Needed adjustments immediately...
Some characters in this game have really brainded moves
rapid cargo
whoa
rapid cargo
did not know that 
, seems like a good tool to have
median geyser
I need to see its execution, how you do it?
rapid cargo
would be funny to use on dexters with their 4 platforms
devout burrow
I need to see its execution, how you do it?
it's actually nothing special
it is entirely based on spacing
median geyser
A'ight
devout burrow
rapid cargo
neat lol
I know at a certain height the second hit cancels too
I'm not too sure what the optimal follow up is after that though
rapid cargo
yeah, you're not too sure combos work in an actual match with the network
devout burrow
no it's just a matter of like
the bot literally does not dodge out of hitstun correctly
rapid cargo
most tods I see people posting don't really seem like they'd actually work because of that
elfin fossil
Pamela Voorhees Announcer, we need it
rapid cargo
Would love more horror icons.
I'd dedicate my account to just playing horror characters if we had at least 3
I guess Stripe counts? Gremlins never really seemed scary
median geyser
I guess Stripe counts? Gremlins never really seemed scary
Nah he doesn't count for me...
median geyser
Would love more horror icons.
I'd dedicate my account to just playing horror cha...
Freddy has high chance though... & good potential moves
elfin fossil
Gremlins is kind of a horror, but it's horror comedy
median geyser
I bet Freddy will sell like crazy if they make him though...
main belfry
The neutral ground one?
ye
also feel like sharing this for the jason enthusiast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBzCMinAh74
Just remind youreself, it doesnt matter if your character is bottom tier, if your jesus at the game
hidden rivet
He had a kinda solid strategy
Ledge camped to get Grey health any chance he could and avoid projectiles, mainly used the teleport and axe swing, and just avoided combat to Grey health in general then attack me
median geyser
Freddy would also have a lot of wacky powers.
That's why he's potentials...
Pyrokinesis is interesting to see
honest yoke
I cook bugs as Jason
median geyser
I cook bugs as Jason
Hahahaa
honest yoke
Legit like I think Jason has a pretty solid matchup against bugs
knotty sage
i mean get through the walls of projectiles, dont get naired to death, and somehow get a hit on him and yeah i can see it
honest yoke
The wall of projectiles meaning two projectiles on huge cooldowns
honest yoke
Your neutral against him isn't bad and once you get a hit in he falls apart
Pies are easy to play around
Just don't be stupid
And you can't act like sandwich actually matters
inner lodge
Jason super benefits from the "walk to block projectiles" perk. I always keep a set with that on
knotty sage
same
elfin fossil
Jason super benefits from the "walk to block projectiles" perk. I always keep a ...
Legit? Usually I just try to space out with Nair and Dair Special.
It would work better if the Axe wasn't a hurt box...
I might try that, ngl.
inner lodge
Yeah it's really useful against certain characters. Use that plus grey health to be able to just power walk at them
I think right now the 9000 IQ Jason skill cap is knowing how much gray health to give yourself, based on who you're against
main belfry
Yeah, realistically its just general matchup knowledge. If you really think about it there isnt too much ,,mega skill" in this game, there are no hard Inputs and there arent any real combos you could do
Especially on Jason, i mean Sure juggling is a thing and does take reads
Or none at all bc the man doesnt dodge
devout burrow
it's not supposed to have high skill combos or execution
this game is entirely about managing your resources properly
devout burrow
currently at 5th/29
about to double dq
cause bracket is taking a bit
and I scheduled a thing in 20 minutes
honest yoke
Yeah, realistically its just general matchup knowledge. If you really think abou...
Jason actually does have some pretty hard combos
gritty hemlock
I missp laying mk x
devout burrow
Jason's 1v1 wr went up to 37% lul
main belfry
so far it seems that I'm doing ok with jason
Can you Tell me when theres a EU Tournament? Might join one once for funsies
median geyser
can jason escape bugs Nair ?
Bugs nair is very tough to dodge... since Jason is fairly slow...
unique pewter
Bugs nair is very tough to dodge... since Jason is fairly slow...
Yea especially since it combos with things, so you may already be in hitstun and can't really dodge it anyways, for example Bugs' neutral ground flows into neutral and down airs and back again or neutral air at high percentage flows into itself and they can repeat it a few times and end the combo with the up air
the good thing is the very first moves to touch are kinda slowish, so be careful and try not to let him open you up in the first place if you can help it, hard with Jason tho
ocean vale
the thing is not so much that, is that he has so much air control that even if i try to space myself or dodge, he still gets me : - s
it's literally a lariat with 3 times the sped lol
unique pewter
I teleport to get out of really hairy situations and gain distance, like dodge jump/dodge into side special can cover an insane amount of distance
If you're being constantly rushed down it's gonna be a hard fight since Jason is fighting almost always at disadvantage
you can win with him if you're more skilled than your opponent, but if they're a god with Bugs prolly not sadly
median geyser
the thing is not so much that, is that he has so much air control that even if i...
Jason tends to have some of bad hitboxes from his attacks from what I can tell...
ocean vale
yeh that much i relate
median geyser
If you're using sair attack too much then you're doing it wrong
ocean vale
only one that feels more consistent it's Sair but that doesn't work on "very low to the ground charactesr" (literally whiffs on their head
and the other one is Nair
median geyser
That's why I'm trying to practice using nair more often coz it's like situational hitbox more
ocean vale
i started to opt more Nair
cause it hits em when i get downward
it's my alternative dair
median geyser
Sair has larger knockback as well dmg while Nair has better recovery time after the hit
Neutral inputs are pretty tough to pull off coz most of the time it just do side inputs for no reason...
I mean I'm trying to like direct my character to where he's attacking
unique pewter
Neutral inputs are pretty tough to pull off coz most of the time it just do side...
I think I put my neutrals on separate buttons
median geyser
Yea especially since it combos with things, so you may already be in hitstun and...
Most characters attacks obv has some sort of constant hit combos like for example Bugs Bunny or the most I can think off is T&J's uground attack
median geyser
I think I put my neutrals on separate buttons
How to do that?
unique pewter
In settings you can change controls
I change a few things… I also put my dodge on a bumper
And lower my deadzones to about 30
median geyser
Most characters attacks obv has some sort of constant hit combos like for exampl...
Those characters basically have attacks that can stun you most of the time. Jason doesn't have any attacks that can stun you really... it's just one hit then follow up attack
ocean vale
yeah i got Neutral special and phisical on different buttonz
median geyser
Prefer playing Keyboard & Mouse though
unique pewter
PC here...
Yea I plug in a Logitech… it works great
unique pewter
Not PC but I'm actually playing on the Laptop lol
That seems a little masochistic lol
median geyser
By how any means hmm?
ocean vale
that... feels rough lol
but can still put it somewhere where ur hands can reach
idk how u attack on mouse and keyboard but if normal attacks are left and specials are say right mouse click
and wasd is the usual movement
ocean vale
maybe put Nair and Special Nair on Q and E
median geyser
I've a Gaming Mouse so it's multiple buttons
ocean vale
that way u got em right near ur movement key and u can contro with one hand with ur fingers reaching for those attacks
then place it where u got ur thumb
in theory that should do the trick
median geyser
Will do...
ocean vale
but honestly, it would be better to use a normal Joypad xD trust me u get more benefit and less hand cramps xD
median geyser
But idk if Multiversus is able to track the button I want to input... I'll check that later on & come back
median geyser
but honestly, it would be better to use a normal Joypad xD trust me u get more b...
I mean it's fine as long I'm able to throw my neutral attacks out easily...
ocean vale
that's why i say to use phisical buttons
alternatively u could use some programs to turn ur mouse buttons into a keyboard input
median geyser
Fair enough...
ocean vale
in that way you would be able to set em to any of ur keys and just use the mouse to use said keys
median geyser
His attacks are only Axe & Machete I think?
No wait... his bed are in attacks section...
median geyser
hatchet / bag / bed / machete
5th... the gloves...
Jason has total 5 weapons in his kit which is kinda on average for a Tank
main belfry
alternatively u could use some programs to turn ur mouse buttons into a keyboard...
i use wasd and jkl for every input in multi
tulip plaza
my weekly missions are all jason lol
sleeping bag and fully charged attack as jason, play villainous and tank characters
I think I had only one that wasn't and it was to hit jokers bazooka pft
unique pewter
my weekly missions are all jason lol
sleeping bag and fully charged attack as ja...
The only frustrating missions I’ve gotten so far are pvp ones because I desync still occasionally and I have to win the pvp to get it done, and one that said taunt in pvp was annoying because taunting both makes me look like a jerk lol and puts me at disadvantage since you have to find time to do it and I have to do it like 10 times lol
tulip plaza
oh yeah I can imagine lol
I think I had a disconnect situation once where people were just standing still, so I just taunted a bunch and filled that out lol
inner lodge
The only frustrating missions I’ve gotten so far are pvp ones because I desync s...
Also annoying because now, for some reason, taunts go on forever, instead of being one animation. So who knows when it actually counts
ocean vale
ok so... about the characters that can infinite Jason and i hope it's only them:
- Wonder Woman
- Bugs
- Joker
main belfry
Yeah i fear good players on them will nae nae you
but half the normal playerbase you can just
bum on
except bugs that character feels unfair
ocean vale
no no i mean legit infinite
combo 0 to 40 50 ish
son long as they have some meter
dodge*
i'm trying to replicate the sequence in training but it's effectively just a sequence of jabs that get repeated over and over
yeah the joker one is easy in terms of sequence, he can just loop jab jab into dodge and then finish up with a Dair Special
ocean vale
Yeah i fear good players on them will nae nae you
as for Nair yeah, that's pretty much a guarantee but holy, it's not even match it's literally just GG shake my hand at that point due to this
ocean vale
for the record, i was trying also to MASH that dodge button when doing that and i swear it didn't come out xD
main belfry
Because you cant raw dodge
Atleast it seems like it, you need to jump before you get control back
devout burrow
ok so... about the characters that can infinite Jason and i hope it's only them:...
it doesn't go infinite
it goes until their dodge meter runs out
which is typically not enough to kill you
well bugs doesn't care methinks
devout burrow
I wonder if bugs still cares about stage space
it's giga infinite on a wall
so in bracket always ban cromulons scooby's
ocean vale
it doesn't go infinite
it might as well be considering it brings me from 0 to 40-50 xD
at least that's how far i managed to push it in training
devout burrow
it might as well be considering it brings me from 0 to 40-50 xD
yes but you are still alive
and they can't push it to make you lose on time
queen juniper
Getting close to 500 wins and character mastery for Jason 
muted dove
Idk what it I, but after a day break I feel so much better At Jason now
Aaaand shaggy just man handled me
The hell
muted dove
Andd ww has to be the worst mu alive jesus
Litearly can't break her damn armor
Tf u meant to do
muted dove
I hate how stubby this dude is Jesus christ
median geyser
Average experience of Half Baked Jason be like
muted dove
I don't feel like in ever rewarded for whiff punishment
Cause I'm too far to make progress
Feels like when I step in op alrdy ready to jump me
Becomes super apparent against ww/shaggy/gizmo
median geyser
Right...
Idrk what are the rewards for that...
Like what I can exactly do... sair & nair just doesn't have good much movement & range to compensate
main belfry
honestly your entire gameplan is abuse Up Special grounded
It ignores armor so it deals with wonder woman
its how i win against her
just space her stupid charge attacks and punish with Up special
ocean vale
ok figured out the infinite that bugs does... anything above 50 and u are in perpetual NAIR loop
median geyser
I see...
muted dove
honestly your entire gameplan is abuse Up Special grounded
Ah...
main belfry
i can look an record my gameplay if yall want i just dont play much anymore
no rewards to go for
acoustic crypt
how on earth do you fight black Adam
the only thing that worked was camping him out but after a stock the other dude remembered his instant ground projectile
which is somehow faster than Jason jab bc we did our moves at the same time and it didn't even trade????
main belfry
you dont
you cry and leave the game because its blac adam
whose ,,reads" are true combos vs jason
acoustic crypt
i love Black Adam 😍 we should buff him
main belfry
if i try to find a wonderwoman i bloody cant
running into everything else
yeah im giving up
im running into superman before wonderwoman
thats a worlds first for me
knotty sage
if i try to find a wonderwoman i bloody cant
why do you want wonderwoman
main belfry
to show how you can do something against her armor
acoustic crypt
I hate how stubby this dude is Jesus christ
he would have more range if he unzipped his pants and helicoptered, him being big is cool but not if his weapons are the size of Legos in comparison
why is his hand bigger than his machete, he might as well just slap them
main belfry
to be fair half the population of this dying ship is complaining about jasons sair being long af
acoustic crypt
he needs it
main belfry
so giving him more reach or anything would probably angor the S tier community
acoustic crypt
only move that actually reflects him being a heavy
slow with good normals, not slow with mid normals 😭
does nair have a purpose? I only get use out of it to read dodges bc of how delayed it is
elfin fossil
so giving him more reach or anything would probably angor the S tier community
good
They have it too good
main belfry
but use sair if not
acoustic crypt
i need a Jason guide but all of them were made week 1 with bad info
elfin fossil
but use sair if not
I can. Never hit that damn move, I always get hit out of it before it begins (or misjudge the distance and wiff lol)
main belfry
I pretty much otp jason when i play the game it comes naturally with being a deranged psychopath
and you need a heavy fetish for artillery when playing him or your long range looses
acoustic crypt
what do u do after up special
main belfry
grounded or air
acoustic crypt
jab jab up special
main belfry
Depends on the enemy
your best bet is just jump nair, if they dodge in or low you hit if they dodge away youve reset neutral
knotty sage
if they're slow w/ their reactions you can sair
main belfry
Yeah thats what i mean with depends on them
if theyre slow or dont know that up special sair isnt true go for it
otherwise nair catches often, now iff you have airwalker you can be a bit cheesy, and go for sair parry with plattofrm and up special again
But airwalker is more of a , use it rare gimmick
id advise speedforce for 5% more speed but if youre comfortable with airwalker go for it
acoustic crypt
if that's middle slot I've been using the weakened stacks after 100%
acoustic crypt
has worked for me well bc five stacks and i kill at 40-60
main belfry
You pick speedforce or airwalker to get options or cover up your weakness of being phat
elfin fossil
id advise speedforce for 5% more speed but if youre comfortable with airwalker g...
I use the "extra damage on wall bounce", which I mean, it's great in like, the first minute of Iron Throne or Batcave before the cars leave, or if I got a Steven.
But I might swap back to speed force because move fast good
main belfry
ive been matched against 3 of them trying to find a ww
asides i forgot honestly what weakened does
ah more knockback more dmg
well
meh honestly
im rarely at that percentage to even use the effect
elfin fossil
I use the "Weakened if opp over 125" thing and it's pretty good at teaching people I killed them a minute ago please leave the stage
main belfry
For general means Speedforce is the most consistant, airwalker gives you the funky styles, and everything else is a, yknow nice but its not one of the other two
Pretty much airwalker only gives you the option to do this
but will fail after the 2nd-3rd time you do it
otherwise speedforce is just a omni present buff
as for generally, i dont know what yall do that people get to 125% partially
but usually i find them dead before that
acoustic crypt
as for generally, i dont know what yall do that people get to 125% partially
i use the ones that's me at 100
main belfry
but that most likely is because jasons juggling is pretty nice
acoustic crypt
free early stock if i live
knotty sage
i use the ones that's me at 100
same
main belfry
i mean i get why youd pick it, jasons moves are all very broad knockbacking swings
elfin fossil
as for generally, i dont know what yall do that people get to 125% partially
Generally I keep getting recovery gods, combined with being bad at edge guarding, and preferring 2v2 so their team mate always comes to stop me if I start doing good at edge guarding
main belfry
yeah 2s is the worst place for jason
elfin fossil
yeah 2s is the worst place for jason
It's a shame, I love 2vs XD
main belfry
i hate them XD
im glad hes better in 1s
your best button (grounded up special) only grabs 1 person and does like 1% to the other one if hit
considering that button is what allows you to have a moderately advantageous position it being basically denied by the fact a 2nd person can hit you for hitting the move just invalidates alot of your power
knotty sage
i wish the swings if you grab someone would hit other players
main belfry
yeah or knock them back a bit
dont even need to grab both just make it not worthless to use
knotty sage
whats weird is most other grabs hit enemies that arent grabbed so idk whats up with jason's
main belfry
i just thought of something
might be a weird take
but jason should be able to heal off of rage kills
specifically how much grey health he had when the attack hit
so if jason miracolously lands a 15% grey health kill, he should be healed by that amount
like in addition to healing the damage he did to himself
This doesnt sound really broken considering its a cooldown abbility and best case scenario you heal 15%
make it a perk if needed
acoustic crypt
is neutral b useless
main belfry
Neutral special?
which one is that again?
oh rage no hell nah thats one of your best tools
has its flaws but its one of the things that make jason bearable
elfin fossil
Neutral special?
I think he means the Axe Slam?
knotty sage
its good against armor
main belfry
its just a unorthodox button
asides it reads inward dodges
asides it grabs people out of taz`s cloud
so do with that what you want
acoustic crypt
this is crazy bro, i keep getting punished for dodging attacks
Who designed this character
muted dove
he would have more range if he unzipped his pants and helicoptered, him being bi...
Lmao true
This ww was making my life hell
acoustic crypt
it depends on what you dodge
feels like everything, i get hit by stuff that's not even facing me
muted dove
I was against s superman and I felt like I could never touch him at some points
Was so Damm annoying
unique pewter
feels like everything, i get hit by stuff that's not even facing me
Imo one of his biggest issues right now is being so big he literally gets caught in things not even meant for him, like he can get caught in a combo above him in a platform… that can be frustrating for sure
west cloak
feels like everything, i get hit by stuff that's not even facing me
I feel like there are definitely situations where opponent throws out a lingering move, Jason dodges, but he’s so wide that he still gets hit after his invincibility ends
muted dove
Imo one of his biggest issues right now is being so big he literally gets caught...
THIS IS WHY BA NUKES THIS GUY OMG
west cloak
Jason has pretty much no answer to Black Adam’s utilt loop
He just needs to DI away and hope he can escape
muted dove
Yea I got lucky a few times against some mus
But good black Adam's started juggling me and I felt my life force drain away
I could be a few feet away and his thunderbolt would STILL hit me
west cloak
Black Adam is insane at catching people with normal air drift and character size due to how versatile his up b is
Jason basically never lands against a good Black Adam
muted dove
To think nakat said Jason has a good mu against ww or something lmao
west cloak
Nakat downplays WW
He recognizes that she’s strong
But he still downplays just how insane she is
muted dove
Ww was a living nightmare to go against most unfun mu I ever had
Her super armor paired with her mobility it's disgusting
west cloak
All I’m gonna say is that there’s a reason WW and Gizmo have the highest win rates in both 1v1 and 2v2
unique pewter
To think nakat said Jason has a good mu against ww or something lmao
Yea Nakat is pretty good with Jason, it’s totally possible to play him if you’re good enough, but he has a couple things they could fix that would make him a more realistic choice for people that aren’t on that level of play
muted dove
My dude needs more armor breaking moves frfr
Never realized how much I took ts for granted
west cloak
What he really needs is the removal of his hand hurtbox
So many of his moves just aren’t that disjoint because he sticks out his hand
Sair being the prime example
unique pewter
My dude needs more armor breaking moves frfr
I use that perk that makes his dash armor breaking, it’s helpful, can’t remember what it replaces tho, it’s always a trade off
main belfry
its probably
west cloak
I use that perk that makes his dash armor breaking, it’s helpful, can’t remember...
It replaces last stand and airwalker
main belfry
the worst perk on him
west cloak
Not worth imo
main belfry
literally everything else is better
acoustic crypt
i do not think the devs grasp what big bodies are
main belfry
they made iron giant
west cloak
Jason’s biggest issues are that he’s very big, his combo game is severely lacking in relation to all of the high and top tiers, he’s incredibly slow in terms of both movement and frame data, and he’s by far the easiest character to whiff punish
acoustic crypt
they made iron giant
and how many times has he been a problem
where is he now in fact
main belfry
Plus hes on the lower sides of kill potential
acoustic crypt
i don't think they understand big bodies
west cloak
Iron Giant infinites wouldn’t exist if they didn’t change how attack decay works
main belfry
and how many times has he been a problem
before he got taken out of the game he was the strongest character in the game
acoustic crypt
case and point
west cloak
The changes to attack decay led to every top tier having 70+ damage combos
If not infinites
muted dove
It replaces last stand and airwalker
^
main belfry
To be fair as jason
you win by not letting the other guy on the stage
get them off of it as fast as you can and your game is massively easier
west cloak
Ok, but Black Adam does the same but with significantly better neutral
acoustic crypt
i started using jab jab teleport instead of up special and built up a nice streak until a superman
main belfry
jab jab Sidespecial is a good killconfrim
muted dove
Also how do you Jason's handle superman? I been battling good superman and bro is a massive pain espically since it seems like Jason can't dodge the multi punches with his life
west cloak
Jason thankfully does have decent kill confirms
acoustic crypt
jab jab Sidespecial is a good killconfrim
good combo as well if u get a read just do it again
west cloak
Also how do you Jason's handle superman? I been battling good superman and bro i...
You need to parry
main belfry
Also how do you Jason's handle superman? I been battling good superman and bro i...
Dont stand near him?=
again you are not a good mash character
you will loose against every character if you dont space them
muted dove
Dont stand near him?=
Easier said then done obviously lol
main belfry
I mean i rarely see superman ever but the ones i met werent ungodly unbearable t odeal with
west cloak
If the Superman is being very linear with his approaches, either whiff punish or parry
muted dove
Hm
west cloak
If you get hit by Superman nair, you basically just die
acoustic crypt
i just lost 5-1 to a superman and all of his kills i was mid air and out of dodges/ trying to recover
main belfry
True
muted dove
Agreed
main belfry
The dodgemeter is probably your best enabler
west cloak
If you burn both, you’re just dead
acoustic crypt
I wasn't spamming, we kept getting game of thrones and shaggy so i never touched the ground
u only get 2 midair
muted dove
The most unfun i had to go against was:
Ww
Gizmo
Shaggy
Solutions?
main belfry
most characters cannot keep you up
acoustic crypt
If you use both, you’ll never land
then what's my option? don't dodge and get juggled or dodge and get juggled?
west cloak
teleport if youn really need to get out of sticky situations
^
You can also dodge jump to gain a huge momentum boost to help you land
acoustic crypt
teleport if youn really need to get out of sticky situations
i try that and he just floats in that direction and continues the juggle bc they can act again way faster than i can
west cloak
More useful if there’s a platform nearby
main belfry
i try that and he just floats in that direction and continues the juggle bc they...
force him to do something else then
west cloak
Jumping and using down special can also sometimes work, but it’s definitely more risky
main belfry
your nair and sair are big buttons, some characters actually can not recover out of their juggle attacks quick enough to dodge a jason nair
unique pewter
The most unfun i had to go against was:
Ww
Gizmo
Shaggy
Solutions?
Imo ww is much easier if you have some kind of additional armor break… the other matchups are needing to get really good at reading distance so you can hit your attacks and not panic dodging… Gizmo is scary but he also blows up easily so you don’t have to land that many hits to kill him
main belfry
ww is just a learning curve
recognize when she doesa armor
use your old reliable Up special
acoustic crypt
Jumping and using down special can also sometimes work, but it’s definitely more...
i can't force him to do anything while im being thrown around like a ragdoll, but this is what i usually try
west cloak
I mean, if you try that and get hit, you lost a lot of resources
acoustic crypt
*most* characters cannot keep you up
i need to see some gameplay bc being kept up is 99% of my problems
don't know how to land
west cloak
That’s why it’s risky and I’d only go for it if you have a read on Superman’s uair/up b timing
main belfry
you see, id need to look for actually decent people for that
or hope i queue into a ww or something
but even then atm i rarely end up in situations where i get juggled
acoustic crypt
I wish i could rage midair instead of that stupid Looney tunes grab
west cloak
True
acoustic crypt
It all comes full circle
west cloak
Airwalker is a really broken perk
main belfry
As i said, you pick speed or airwalker for options and consistancy
acoustic crypt
I have been enlightened
main belfry
Trust me jason will become an ungodly amount of fun once you realize the sleeping bag can be a 0% kill
same with your up ground special
acoustic crypt
How can that be a 0%?
main belfry
dodge read
some camp the walls and try to get you off stage
think a black adam trying to fly away after missing
if you read his dodge off stage and grabbed him with the bag
hes dead
its rare but really jason parrying you any where off stage with airwalker invokes nightmares
west cloak
Airwalker also allows you to recover from anywhere
As long as you have a dodge
Since the platform that spawns will reset all of your jumps, dodges, and specials to use in the air
It’s insane how they removed triple jump because it was too overcentralizing but like airwalker is basically just better triple jump
main belfry
Oh also something
jab jab downjab is a great mixup enabling tool
Honestly ill make a sheet for how to call moves with everyone using different things its ass
west cloak
It would be nice to have universal terms for everything
It seems the only things people agree upon universally are aerial names and grounded side attack is jab
west cloak
I know I personally use a sort of frankensteined Smash lingo
All ground normal attacks I refer to as tilts
Specials are referred to by the B button (even though there probably isn’t even a B button on many people’s controllers)
west cloak
Yeah. That’s the other thing
Keyboard exists
One thing I will say is that your naming convention will need to distinguish grounded and aerial specials
west cloak
How does Brawlhalla categorize specials?
main belfry
recovery groundpound
west cloak
Assuming the game has them
west cloak
Those are pretty lengthy tho
main belfry
Rc
Gp
west cloak
But like most characters’ down specials aren’t even ground pounds
It’s only like IG, BG, and maybe one other
main belfry
theres maybe 1 actualy ground pound in brawlhalla either lol
west cloak
Bruh
main belfry
its just used for the term of down special
west cloak
I’m personally not a fan of unconventional names being used for universal tools
west cloak
I only know ads from shooters where it refers to “aim down sights”
main belfry
Ads has numerous meanings lol
west cloak
I know
main belfry
Adds is for minor entitys in mmos
west cloak
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main belfry
yup
also tbf i just stole the numerical notation system for now and yoinked the numbers off of it
west cloak
What would be a good short term for “grounded”?
Like “air” is already pretty short
But “grounded” is just a bit too long
main belfry
It depends there is really a reason to use a word like it
Like jab for example cannot be done in the air
you have nair dair sair etc
so whe nsomeone says Jab 1 Jab 2 they couldnt mean any air moves
west cloak
Yes but those are neutral aerial, etc
main belfry
Pretty sure grounded is just the best to go for it
west cloak
Like shortening “neutral aerial” to “nair” is intuitive
I’d rather find something shorter for “grounded neutral attack” than “nground”
main belfry
I mean the biggest challenge is just finding names for The two buttons
west cloak
I mean, going from Smash logic, it would just be A and B
main belfry
Im tempted for Light and special or just go really the brawlhalla route and go Light&Sig (signature attack)
west cloak
I’ve heard people refer to ground attacks as “light”
But I’m not really a fan because it implies heavy attacks exist too
But there’s only one Jason grounded up attack
Unlike a game like Smash where there are tilt attacks and smash attacks
main belfry
yeah then problem i have here is that unlike brawlhalla multiversus actually has difference between N and Up specials
because pretty much every Neutral sig in brawlhalla is a anti air
devout burrow
But there’s only one Jason grounded up attack
ulight condenses "ground up attack" and if you say something like up normal that could be grounded or aerial
west cloak
utilt is shorter and implies the same because tilt attacks are always grounded moves in Smash
median grove
Got a jason (me) + jason vs finn + morty matchup
The 2nd slowest characters vs the spammiest characters
You can guess how that match went
gritty hemlock
can jason escape bugs Nair ?
I don't think so, unless they mess up you cannot.
median geyser
PFG won't finish Jason any time soon I can tell
median grove
PFG won't finish Jason any time soon I can tell
Gotta finish the game first 💀
median geyser
Gotta finish the game first 💀
That too coz game isn't fully baked
But Jason is currently the character who's extremely half baked at the moment
median grove
i mean
banana guard too
jason feels pretty good imo
aside from down special being literally useless and un-landable by any means
rapid cargo
man just needs better hitboxes and frame data to make up for his big boy body
median geyser
banana guard too
How is Banana Guard half baked?
Blud has every single stuff up his sleeves that wooped Jason's entire kit & you do nothing against it
median geyser
jason feels pretty good imo
How is Jason feeling good? Makes no sense, he's average for me
median geyser
nah thats just a spacing issue
& many of his bluds spamming more & more sgrounded special iiiiiyuh...
main belfry
if thats the charge it really is a spacing issue
median geyser
But again Banana Guard is sometines brainded
median grove
Blud has every single stuff up his sleeves that wooped Jason's entire kit & you ...
half baked as in he isn't well balanced yet
honest yoke
aside from down special being literally useless and un-landable by any means
You can combo into it
median grove
How is Jason feeling good? Makes no sense, he's average for me
also punishing someone with jason feels super good
honest yoke
Still not good but at least it's landable
main belfry
You can combo into it
you cant combo into the sack
median grove
You can combo into it
you can?
honest yoke
You can
median geyser
half baked as in he isn't well balanced yet
What I mean by half baked is that Jason ain't even polished character to begin with
main belfry
nope not true atleast
honest yoke
You can true combo into it
honest yoke
Jab 1 dash forward jab 1 down special is true
median geyser
also punishing someone with jason feels super good
It feels you good when you land hits only
main belfry
Jab 1 dash forward jab 1 down special is true
thats so awfully ressourceheavy for a mediocre reward
main belfry
yeah just
dont do that
you might aswell just kill or do more dmgh
or use up special because its a good move
honest yoke
You can also jab 1 dash forward jab 1 down air
Which is true
And leads into a lot more stuff
main belfry
i know ive seen the clip where they made a kill combo of it aat 70%
but honestly
id still opt for up tilt (up special) if you cant pull that off consistantly
honest yoke
I don't think those were true but they're pretty cool
median geyser
I don't think those were true but they're pretty cool
Wdym by that?
median geyser
Ig that T&J didn't do well but the movement is there with Jason
honest yoke
yeah the Jason was moving pretty well for sure
median geyser
But yeah he'd the axe neutral then immediate machete swing which is insane
honest yoke
Yeah that's the thing about Jason you don't really need true combos
wide shale
you just need one or two reads really
honest yoke
Because you put them in disadvantage and then all you need is one more dodge read and they die
ocean vale
I don't think so, unless they mess up you cannot.
i figured it out later in training
i'm literally making a list of ALL the characters with some form of Infinite vs jason
and this doesn't feel intentional at all xD it's just jason being so thicc it attracts all sorts of easy to do strings
so far issues after 2 weeks of playing him:
- THICC boi
- Has hurtboxes on his weapons (while WW / Joker / Bugs / Harley / i THINK finn but i couldn't really tell if he had any 0 to 50 ish string are laughing in "disjointed land")
- VERY PRECISE HITBOXES... on the guy who has the thiccest arm in the roster outside of Sups and garnet... no iron giant doesn't exist any longer 👀 if you overlap with a character 90% ur gonna whiff and Sair... well better start using NAir if u ever try to drop down with an attack. Less kill potential but at least u hit grounded opponets
- Up Tilt is just glitched, if u hit at the edges, there's like a single hit that does no damage and in fact now they get a freebie on ur face
- Perks legit deny his own armor and there are Nairs or jabs (WW / B Adam / Bugs / Generic armor deny perk ) that deny the ONE unique thing Jason has , rage armor
wide shale
jasons dodge goes the wrong way after doing the bed sometimes
pretty annoying, and it almost looks intentional since the dodge animation looks different
west cloak
jasons dodge goes the wrong way after doing the bed sometimes
This seems to happen with a lot of characters actually. Sometimes I’ll just dodge in the complete opposite direction for no reason
gritty hemlock
so far issues after 2 weeks of playing him:
- THICC boi
- Has hurtboxes on his w...
this makes me sad to re-see.
queen drum
This seems to happen with a lot of characters actually. Sometimes I’ll just dodg...
Def has something to do wit input buffering. Hopefully when they add the input settings back it won't be a issue as much
ancient wraith
so
let’s say. hypothetically
i was playing jason against morty
and he was constantly using his side special right on the ledge while im holding on to the wall
what would be the best option
i have yet to find an answer that isn’t die
ancient wraith
tragic
elfin fossil
June 18th, rise of Jason
Words alone cannot express my hype, lets fricken goooo!
ancient wraith
airwalker rage seems like it has potential
wide shale
mirrorman does it when he plays jason
but i cant bring myself to give up the air parries, saves my ass near the ceiling
acoustic crypt
nah thats just a spacing issue
hes an issue issue but nobody good plays him bc hes a joke
fading hare
He is an issue for most players because they attack before dodging so they lose every interaction
devout burrow
you just have to play to bg's diagonal
force him in a situation where his only "good" option is sair
inner lodge
BG just has some of the most obviously silly hitboxes right now, I think. But I would also say that currently a good deal of hitboxes need a once-over
Or twice-over, I guess...
devout burrow
I think if we could see hitboxes we would actually be able to make counterplay
inner lodge
I mean ideally, in your fighting game, they should roughly match up with the visual being displayed
elfin fossil
you just have to play to bg's diagonal
Yeah, honestly it's not so hard. If anything, Jason is one disjointed weapon hitbox buff on Nair away from teaching the Banana what mama says to do to naughty fruits
fading hare
Jason balance suggestions:
General:
- fix the disjointed hitboxes to hit opponents
Jason down special:
- increased kb when thrown can probably kill around 100-120 or so
- while spinning before the throw there is a hitbox around Jason that knocks enemies away
Jab:
- on 3rd hit (the grab) you can angle a bit where they are thrown.
Neutral special:
- armor breaking moves can’t beat the armor Jason has
Feel free to discuss I’m not sure what else can make this character better
inner lodge
Jason balance suggestions:
General:
- fix the disjointed hitboxes to hit opponen...
I'll keep saying it: make it so his passive isn't automatically beat by armor breaking moves. He's not even using armor, and it's supposed to be his special gimmick, and he has to damage himself just to use it
fading hare
I'll keep saying it: make it so his passive isn't automatically beat by armor br...
Oh I didn’t even know that was a thing
I just assumed you had to do 20 dmg to beat
inner lodge
Yeah I found out real quick haha. Someone just hits me with their neutral air or whatever and immediately hitstuns me as Jason and I'm like, "...huh?"
fading hare
Yeah I’ll add that rn
inner lodge
I can even understand the logic of grabs going through it. But the color-coded armor break moves working on not the right color upsets me.
fading hare
Yeah that’s his only form of armor too
Where WW and Superman virtually have infinite armor
devout burrow
my changes would be to fix the multihits
make jabs hit inside of jason
and change their hitboxes/angles slightly to make combos more consistent on tiny characters like arya
so mainly I just want bug fixes lul
queen juniper
Hit boxes, hurt boxes, frame data, giving some moves armor (or super armor). Tweaking any of those for Jason would be an improvement
wide shale
he'd feel 10x better with just proper disjoints
elfin fossil
he'd feel 10x better with just proper disjoints
This this this.
Either everyone's weapons have a hurtbox or no one's.
Jason is not nearly strong enough that he should have weapon hurtbox as a balance, give my boy the disjoint
wide shale
problem is he sticks out his big ass hands for nearly every attack he does before the weapon comes out, ensuring at the very least a trade, at the worst a loss in the clash
the amount of times i've dodged behind someones jab string, tried to jab them in the back, only to get sucked back in to their jab has been pretty high for me
inner lodge
I’m pretty sure lots of characters (maybe all?) are missing disjointed hit boxes on their attacks. Jake is the super obvious one
warped arch
JASONS ARMOR IS THE MOST OP THING EVER
ocean vale
Jason balance suggestions:
General:
- fix the disjointed hitboxes to hit opponen...
correction: Armor Breaking moves or Perks, since there's 3 perks (if i recall) that deny that armor. but even then that armor gets broken easily by some of the tools form the best characters:
- Bugs jab 1 / safe / rocket
- Rocket from Marvin
- WW Nair
- Dash Attacks with armor Break
- Jason himself with basically his Neutral Attack (ok a give but still) / Nair Special and Up Special... no down special doesn't exist
- Superman grab and his charged punch (aimed one)
Jason armor main """advantage""" outside of edgeguard situation is by just running in their face an teleport
which... guaranteed he's gonna lose, since it doesn't feel intentional
also his big perks need a rework cause quite frankly both of em suck
devout burrow
I'm sorry Jason bros but like
I can deal with weird hurtboxes
I can deal with slow
I can't deal with my moves just not functioning though
I have lost
so many games in bracket
to just
random inconsistencies that made to where
instead of my opponent dying, I was put in a bad spot and I died
tulip plaza
I understand -w-
fading vapor
That's Jason for ya
devout burrow
it's not even that he's bad or whatever
he's a fine character
he just has some inconsistencies that make life really annoying
honest yoke
instead of my opponent dying, I was put in a bad spot and I died
i love it when i land bed and the opponent would have died but instead they just kinda just fall out beside me
honest yoke
that would make it worse
ocean vale
let's add another one that breaks Jason's FULL armor:
- Batman Slightly Charged Down tilt (the sweep)
fading hare
Yeah also plumbus
west cloak
let's add another one that breaks Jason's FULL armor:
- Batman Slightly Charged ...
Any move with the armor break effect will break Jason’s rage armor regardless of how much gray health he has
honest yoke
you don't need to just name every armor breaking move in the game
fading hare
Technically Finn’s charged up attack could be an armor breaking move with the perk. Could actually be pretty useful for him
main belfry
as if finn wouldnt already nae nae you hard enough
fading hare
lol true
dark sapphire
median grove
i fear the only way this game will be fixed if its given to the fans
The same fans that complain that Finn "can't kill" in #1245143113089941644 ? Haha, no thank you.
main belfry
finn cant kill?
thats a joke
finn has as the only the most consitant kill bs ive ever seen
safe geode
finn has as the only the most consitant kill bs ive ever seen
Its not true finn is bad. Parry and clap him up at the top
median grove
thats a joke
Literally
median grove
Its not true finn is bad. Parry and clap him up at the top
Ok now parry consistently against a spammy finn
I dare you
I swear ppl saying Finn is bad need to try Jason or Lebron ONCE
knotty sage
i think the average finn player just genuinely didnt know how to play the game without finn's bs in the beta
inner lodge
Ok now parry consistently against a spammy finn
Parry consistently at all without a neutral dodge button and I’ll bow at your feet…
median grove
Parry consistently *at all* without a neutral dodge button and I’ll bow at your ...
exactly
this guy ryecoe thought he was cooking 😭
inner lodge
I don’t blame you; the “tutorial” doesn’t mention it at all. And 99% of my parries are still accidental
knotty sage
i only really remember it bc i play steven and his bubble is the same button
safe geode
Ok now parry consistently against a spammy finn
It doesn't even need to be a parry just dodge below them and hit them out of the blast zone
Also his targeted dash side air special is the easiest move to parry
idk maybe it is true on jason I don't play him that much but with smaller characters it is not
median grove
Saying Finn is bad cuz you can parry his attacks is like saying all the characters in the game are bad cuz you can parry their attacks 💀
This feels like the "doesn't matter if you don't plan on getting hit" of Multiversus
main belfry
tbf parrys feel harsh to do
because most ppl have a shait internet connection
so parrying is ass to time
i had a harley with decent internet once from this server and parrying was less off a accident and more of a it will happen
safe geode
Saying Finn is bad cuz you can parry his attacks is like saying all the characte...
No thats not true finn is just easier to parry
main belfry
asides as far as i can tell he doesnt use the target dash at all to kill
its a true combo setting you up till almost kill
safe geode
its a true combo setting you up till almost kill
You can look at literally any video or try it in the practice range it is not true
safe geode
I used to be a finn main in the beta and dropped him because he is not good. But yeah against jason possibly because he can get the attacks out quicker without having to move so far
main belfry
Finn is just borderline S tier
safe geode
Finn is just borderline S tier
agree to disagree. I mean compared to jason everyone seems like an S tier💀
Genuinely can't remember the last time I lost to a Jason
safe geode
Maybe I just haven't played a good jason but I beat the crap out of them everytime
west cloak
Also, Finn is really good. You just can’t mindlessly spam with him like in the beta
main belfry
agree to disagree. I mean compared to jason everyone seems like an S tier💀
No finn generally is a borderline S tier character hes always in either A or S
west cloak
I wouldn’t call him an S tier tho
safe geode
And same goes to finn I think I have only lost to one before in a doubles game
west cloak
Like there’s no way he’s on the same level as WW, Gizmo, Harley, Joker, etc
I will say tho idk if Finn is good or not in 2v2
His kit definitely seems more tailored for 1v1
main belfry
Yeah it depends who you ask
mostly put in A
but a few put him S
so i keep him as borderline S since he is really good
west cloak
I’d put him in mid A tier
main belfry
I keep queuing into people with the top dog medaillion dam
west cloak
Him relying on mostly being grounded to start combos is actually a pretty big detriment
It makes his neutral a little too predictable to be a top tier
main belfry
i swear i never see jasons and now they are there
wow
maintenance
thank you for the warning
median grove
*thank you for the warning*
main belfry
10 minutes before it happened i literally only look in this channel tbf XD
median grove
Jason
Ground Dash Attack
+ Now blocks projectiles
AWESOME
tacit pivot
THIS IS BEAUTIFUL
median grove
wait is that in the patch notes or
minor radish
I mean, Jason has a 37% win rate, the lowest in the game
Where did you get this statistic? I'm not doubting you; I'd like to see the win rates for everyone
west cloak
Data I believe is taken within one week of the current date. Iron Giant isn’t on the list because he’s been gone for over a full week now
tulip plaza
Jason
Ground Dash Attack
+ Now blocks projectiles
lets ggoooooooooooooooooo
he still needs other fixes but this is gonna be a good step
west cloak
interesting
The characters that have the highest win rates and the highest pick rates are the ones that are true top tiers. Reindog having a very high win rate isn’t very telling because his pick rate is the second lowest in the game, so it’s likely only the good players are still playing him
But if everyone is picking a character and doing well with them (ie. WW and Joker), they’re probably just actually top tier
honest yoke
Jason may have been nerfed this patch
Because jab 1 jab 1 dair probably doesn't work anymore
elfin fossil
JASON DASH BLOCKS PROJECTILES
median geyser
Still half baked
knotty sage
i dont think it blocks heavy projectiles
median geyser
Will it block T&J's Tennis Balls?
devout burrow
depending on how it works, matchups like tom and gizmo might become giga free
like
genuinely 7-3
knotty sage
Will it block T&J's Tennis Balls?
yeah those are normal, it prob wont block jerry tho
median geyser
depending on how it works, matchups like tom and gizmo might become giga free
Tom is a fine matchup for me but Gizmo is a big no
gray gale
WE WON
acoustic crypt
kinda
devout burrow
Tom is a fine matchup for me but Gizmo is a big no
I think gizmo is a fine matchup idk
I lost to it once in bracket against someone who got 13th at evo lol
and those games were close
honest yoke
I think Jason got nerfed tbh
devout burrow
but atp I'm playing stripe
acoustic crypt
I think Jason got nerfed tbh
they should double buff to compensate
knotty sage
oh yeah all his jab combos are likely gone
acoustic crypt
someone explain what the 15 frame lockout means
honest yoke
Yeah jab 1 jab 1 dair was super important for him
knotty sage
someone explain what the 15 frame lockout means
basically its harder to jab > other moves
acoustic crypt
basically its harder to jab > other moves
i must see if i can still jab 1 2 teleport
devout burrow
Yeah jab 1 jab 1 dair was super important for him
don't forget that it also removes joker's jab loops
so like
acoustic crypt
don't forget that it also removes joker's jab loops
joker is getting nuked next patch
honest yoke
Yeah joker's jab loops didn't matter though
knotty sage
don't forget that it also removes joker's jab loops
doesnt matter bc he still has his crowbar
devout burrow
I really don't think our jab1 loops or whatever mattered too much
acoustic crypt
joker had easy ztds u didn't even need to jab loop
honest yoke
People just relied on them so they didn't have to learn his actual combos
acoustic crypt
if u hit jab just kill them
devout burrow
it's really really annoying tho
I mean
even against good jokers I simply just lived anyway
acoustic crypt
they were mid jokers or chose the wrong route for that stage/character
he got ztds on EVERYONE and it's like 5 button baby mode
devout burrow
I mean maybe
knotty sage
it is kinda funny how they simply refuse to actually change the new characters
honest yoke
Jokers who burn out against Jason jab looping so they can get a kill at 90 are just bad if they actually put in the work to learn combos they could kill you at 30 without burnout
gray gale
someone explain what the 15 frame lockout means
That change is EXCLUSIVELY done so characters don't do something like jab jab, dodge, jab jab loops
acoustic crypt
Jokers who burn out against Jason jab looping so they can get a kill at 90 are j...
I jumped in jubilation when i saw a Jason as joker
free win
devout burrow
That change is EXCLUSIVELY done so characters don't do something like jab jab, d...
it does stop our jab from comboing into dair tho
which is
acoustic crypt
any combo i imagine is true
gray gale
it affects nothing else
devout burrow
annoying
gray gale
if the patchnotes are what we're going off of, the change only is for repeat-move
gray gale
meaning it only affects side tilts if you do side tilt repeatedly
knotty sage
its funny how many gameplay issues this game has had is usually tied to dodges
main belfry
you dont need dair
devout burrow
I jumped in jubilation when i saw a Jason as joker
I mean genuinely I don't think that matchup is terrible
just be better than the joker
main belfry
well and teleport
devout burrow
it's not that hard
main belfry
need atleast one good kill confirm at jab payoff
acoustic crypt
just be better than the joker
that doesn't make the mu better
so if ur the same skill Jason loses? 😭
that's a bad mu
devout burrow
idk
probably not
I don't really care
I'll just be better than my opponent
like a true best jason NA
acoustic crypt
kaido mindset
devout burrow
altho atm
I'm not playing jason
because outright nonfunctional parts of my kit have
honest yoke
Fake Jason fan
main belfry
also someone with my exact same name is a finn otp
acoustic crypt
I'd murder someone (for them) if they made his dodge longer
i just can't get used to dodging away from or through and still getting hit from outer space
main belfry
No wait that is me but its not updated at all