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#Jason
marsh summit
visual sail
This character is so terrible its crazy
marsh summit
Anybody wanna run 2s with my arya?
potent wraith
yall
yall need to see this
we have dodge loops combos
now I really wish we can post images
devout burrow
respectfully that combo is fake
potent wraith
what?
also I need this discord sever to allow us to post videos and images in te character channels
median geyser
Jason's dair special is damn good
I think one of the best move for Jason if used correctly
devout burrow
it's definitely quite strong
you can combo off of it really easily
does a lot of damage and kb
biggest problem is its risk
median geyser
biggest problem is its risk
Risk of wut?
devout burrow
Risk of wut?
getting stuffed on startup and also endlag
median geyser
it's definitely quite strong
Yes if you get the ground slash, guaranteed kill on high dmg
devout burrow
it has a very very long startup animation
median geyser
getting stuffed on startup and also endlag
The startup is a'ight tbh... & it's also a good tool to use in air
median geyser
it has a very very long startup animation
Still better than the punch
devout burrow
should be fairly easy to parry on reaction
median geyser
Punch hitbox is wacky & only situational
median geyser
should be fairly easy to parry on reaction
Well I haven't seen like anyone parried the ground slash so yeah
It's a good like area control move when you're trying to hit the opponent downward while upair
devout burrow
most people are bad at parrying
median geyser
Including me, I'm also bad
devout burrow
it's mechanically probably the hardest thing to do in the game
I'm still a bit inconsistent on it
median geyser
Hard but rewarding
median geyser
Even Jason's neutral air grab as well it's also rewarding in 1s if you land it
But at the same time, the slow startup not worth
devout burrow
jason's spook factor goes up dramatically with walls
median geyser
Walls?
devout burrow
they let you combo out of axe throw
median geyser
I see
wintry sierra
Its actually ki ki ki ma ma ma short for kill mama just fyi
mossy flume
jason doodoo but really fun to play
went solo jason in a 2s event and came 5th out of like 30 lmao
median geyser
jason doodoo but really fun to play
He's already the worst tank in the game
Iron Giant I think is overall better than him
mossy flume
ig is busted so thats a pretty mild take
median geyser
Iron Giant busted?
mossy flume
Yes, he has like 4 infinites that are easy to pull off, kills super early off combos ending with bolts
theres a reason why most people had him as top 2 in game
median geyser
I can agree with that
Makes up for his size
So yeah
He's definitely better than Jason everyway
mossy flume
Makes up for his size
honestly his passive and weight make up for that fault
median geyser
I see
median grove
Came here after the Lebron slaughter and holy crap is Jason fun
punishing opponents just feels WAY TOO GOOD as jason
median geyser
punishing opponents just feels WAY TOO GOOD as jason
If you land hits then yeah
Very satisfying
The main thing about him is landing hits
river token
They're both thematic rather than intended to be good imo
Ressurectionist only procs once and it's not worth dropping the 5% buff for a small extra window of fumbling about with his awful neutral game. It's a 'gotcha' more than anything. And Monstrous Sidestep just makes smoke vanish worse since it's no better than laying down on the ground spread eagle and going 'bet you won't'.
buoyant adder
Got 200 Jason Wins
median geyser
Ressurectionist only procs once and it's not worth dropping the 5% buff for a sm...
Resurrectionist still need a buff though coz it isn't worth it at all
tacit pivot
punishing opponents just feels WAY TOO GOOD as jason
If you know the hit box is satisfying, knowing how to use the Axe grap feels amazing.
tacit pivot
Thoughts?
https://x.com/gsmVoiD/status/1797771516144484692/photo/1
I guess now people are realizing how to use it properly.
median geyser
Use what properly?
tacit pivot
Use what properly?
His kit
median geyser
His kit is a'ight but at the same time it can be really bad
tacit pivot
Sometimes i have faced jason that dont know how to combo and use the teleport.
tacit pivot
His kit is a'ight but at the same time it can be really bad
In my perspective its all about the timming
median geyser
In my perspective its all about the timming
Timing, Movement, Dodging, Hitting, Frame Data, every single sh*t
tacit pivot
But indeed it has some good things and not so good
median geyser
But indeed it has some good things and not so good
Like two of his moves are complete useless
tacit pivot
Timing, Movement, Dodging, Hitting, Frame Data, every single sh*t
HAJAJAJAJ SO TRUE XD
Some times frame data and hitbox betrays me :"v
median geyser
Yeah especially his wacky spike punch
spiral pewter
Under no circumstances could I see him as S tier but I do think he's probably A
Void DOES base his tierlists off of 2s keep in mind
turbid lichen
think that tierlist is meant to be a meme
cursive kernel
Air Walker Jason casually killing Harley at 0 because she tried to nair me offstage so I yoinked her into the blast zone
I do love airwalker on Jason to allow for "I can apply buff to myself almost anywhere on screen)
Jump towards a recovering opponent and buff yourself midair and watch them panic
spiral pewter
That doesn't make sense, 80% of the roster has a move in the air that breaks base armor and can punish the end lag of doing such a thing to begin with
cursive kernel
There's realistically not much end lag from dodge tapping buff when a players in disadvantage, they typically aren't looking to try and fight buffed Jason midair but kudos to them if they read it or sum
turbid lichen
do anti armor moves even beat jasons grey health?
because he isnt armored at all
he just has grey hp and his passive is no knockback during grey hp
ive not tested but it seems like the point is to make him invul to anti armor
cursive kernel
I know wonderwomans does for some reason
I wish nair was a little bit bigger sometimes
Neutral axe on the ground is huge but then he uses the wood cutting axe for his nair I'm like bro, why are they two different sizes? This implies Jason has three different bladed weapons on him. What's funny is that Jason at one point used a crossbow
Imagine if he stayed doing that. Jason just sniping folks
spiral pewter
On the subject of perks... does anyone know if the percent perks are additive or multiplicative?
elfin fossil
Ressurectionist only procs once and it's not worth dropping the 5% buff for a sm...
Ressurectionist is honestly better in 2v2 simply because your team mate can also be saved and they might be using a character with good neutral game, and still isn't as good as the percent.
I love the flavor of the Teleports Behind you perk so much, but without any defence on the exit animation it's dog water. Seriously, we need dodge frames on exit, the move is so good in chaos gems simply because I have auto dodge gem and it can proc during teleport
spiral pewter
The exit HAS dodge frames, it just happens to have vulnerability frames before it, and if you want it to have less lag you have to cancel the dodge frames anyway
What it SHOULD do which would be a funny level of balanced is change it so the exit is a damage dealer instead of the entrance
So it could be used as an actual chase tool
crystal timber
How cause I fell like I get stuffed out everytime I use it. It feels inconsistent at times
spiral pewter
If you combo jab 1,2 side special while you have it on it yields an up air or sair followup regardless of where you position yourself onstage. Without mistwalker on you'd have to position so you both end up offstage and you'd only get up air
Jab 1,2 side b up air is like a 40+ damage true combo btw
cursive kernel
Ressurectionist is honestly better in 2v2 simply because your team mate can also...
It's come in clutch in 1s too
cursive kernel
If you combo jab 1,2 side special while you have it on it yields an up air or sa...
You can also get it off dtilt too for extended DMG/reads
Jab>jab>dtilt>jump>mist walker
Works when they stop dodging in on the dtilt or are too far away to hit mistwalker clean
If they really respect your sequences you can throw in a dair at the early/mid percents too
Jab>jab>dtilt>dair>mistwalker>upair
spiral pewter
Jab>jab>dtilt>jump>mist walker
That's DI dependant but it can work
The alternative is off of dtilt you can dodge jump Nair-> sair
cursive kernel
I love the sound nair makes when it hits someone and how interestingly long it's out for
Also any of y'all wanna play with my rein?
I wanna give y'all crystal buff, Jason's own buff, and then tether so y'all can just go forward and swing and get pulled back to safety
main copper
Ressurectionist is honestly better in 2v2 simply because your team mate can also...
100% that perk does more damage to you than it will do you any good. i think res or the 5% is probably the better options. i also like the armor perk on spawn. i can just rage and hold forward on em with 0 fear
elfin fossil
100% that perk does more damage to you than it will do you any good. i think res...
For real, it needs a buff.
And yeah, Anything that makes Rage even better is peak
river token
100% that perk does more damage to you than it will do you any good. i think res...
Mmh, neither Monstrous nor Res are better than the 5% boost
Which is crazy when you look at stuff like One More Zoinks which is genuinely fantastic and makes the 5% look like a complete placeholder-
(especially since it's just so much better than Res but has the same function of letting you get a little more out of a stock. But it retriggers)
Honestly I could see them making Res be once per life on Jason, and just once (end of sentance) for allies.
main copper
Mmh, neither Monstrous nor Res are better than the 5% boost
tbf ive seen use out of res in both 1s and 2s but i can also see the argument against it. i think itll be preference on the player itself when its comes down to those two perks but yeah i think every jason player here can agree that Monstrous Sidestep either needs to be changed to something more useful or they need to buff mist step so there is i frames at the end of it
river token
I don't think Res is bad per se, it's just always worse than a 5% boost for the whole match
Especially when that 5% is doing more work on Jason than most
main copper
true i just like it because its helped me clutch up a few times. helps me get that stock back risk free
river token
Yeah, it just
I dunno, it lets you get another chance starting from neutral
Where Jason isn't doing so hot
Plus it's known info which doesn't help
main copper
honestly the amount of people who dont read perks before that match starts would shock you
LMAO
i get it away with it more times than id like to admit
river token
Ofc, but players being bad at basic reading isn't really a good point in balance discussions ig
main copper
but you are correct the 5% overall is probably better
well not probably it is just better
elfin fossil
The res needs to be more than once
Teleport needs to be safer
Frankly that 5% is doing numbers
river token
Mmh, 5% does more on some than others
cursive kernel
Resurrectionist happening once has saved me games
As long as you're careful about dying in general it can make a difference but it would definitely be nice if it happened more than once for an entire round
5% is definitely valid
drowsy moth
I hate using Jason against Tom and Jerry
main copper
I hate using Jason against Tom and Jerry
yeah thats a tough match up. if you can kill jerry i think you should win that 9/10
drowsy moth
š EVERYTIME I got that sucka I get jumped by every projectile in game
main copper
š EVERYTIME I got that sucka I get jumped by every projectile in game
yeah jerry pumps out his own projectile if hes not dealt with so you were getting hit with two things every engage im willing to bet
thats that rage mist step tele on to jerry and kill his ass cuz if not you are gonna have a bad time
drowsy moth
I guess Iāll try that more
marsh summit
2s?
ocean vale
welp after killing lots of people in ranked today, i did it... i unlocked the last character i didn't unlock in beta * __ *
freeedom !!!
gritty hemlock
fr
flat wigeon
dang tracker.gg showing Jason as the worst character in teams and 2nd worst in 1s.
38% and 36.4% win rate respectively š
devout burrow
I mean like
those stats have lebron as below jason
I mainly don't trust those stats because I imagine it takes every single game into account
and most people are uhhh
meh at jason
the problem with jason is the same as other heavies
in that you have to know literally everything about every matchup or you instantly lose
so he ends up being extremely difficult
west cloak
Fully charged up tilt with rage apparently kills Finn at 0
He stopped mashing after he got hit by that
devout burrow
that's really funny
west cloak
Just like the way he sat there on the respawn platform contemplating his awful decision to approach Jason fully charging a move with rage enabled
Priceless
west cloak
I wish I was recording
knotty sage
are any of jason's sig perks really worth it or should you just run 5%?
west cloak
I mainly don't trust those stats because I imagine it takes every single game in...
While this is true, Jason is definitely a bottom 5 character. Heās just way too slow and combo food
Generally speaking, placements on tracker.gg vary based on character viability and character difficulty
The more difficult the character, the lower more they tend to lose
The worse a characterās viability, the more they tend to lose
west cloak
Jason isnāt a very complicated character, so his really low win rate is probably because heās actually a low tier and heās among the most popular to play
devout burrow
so I don't know how accurate the stats really are
west cloak
I forgot to mention popularity is also huge
More popular characters tend to be worse because more bad players are playing them
flat wigeon
I mainly don't trust those stats because I imagine it takes every single game in...
Just want to point out that the stats do prove exactly what you're sayiing.
Jason is the most played character in the bottom 4 at a 7.4% pick rate which as you mentioned generally means that the win rate is lower than it should be.
Therefore, he's probably better than his stats show compared to the other characters.
Although, Jason is probably still bottom 4 considering that the jump in win rate from the bottom 4 to the next group is pretty significant.
drowsy moth
Any tips against banana ?
I feel like his dash attack beats all of my moves besides my armor
And I guess parry but I feel like I canāt do that in online matches lol
west cloak
Itās definitely Jasonās be pray matchup
drowsy moth
š oof
west cloak
And I guess parry but I feel like I canāt do that in online matches lol
That plus the spear can hit Jasonās hands during any animation which makes the parry timing even more awkward
drowsy moth
And I feel like even when Iām behind banana man- I still get hit by his attack
drowsy moth
That plus the spear can hit Jasonās hands during any animation which makes the p...
Jesus
drowsy moth
I feel like I just lose if itās banana man
west cloak
Idk if itās true or not, but Iāve heard he also has a hurtbox on his machete
flat wigeon
Btw...does anyone feel that Jason's hitboxes feel incredibly less privileged than most of the other characters š¤£ ?
drowsy moth
He has a hurt box on his axe ? Cause I feel like people hit my axe and itās over
west cloak
Yeah if Jason actually has hurtboxes on all his weapons, those need to be removed
Idk if he does or doesnāt and itās just other characters with jank hitboxes
drowsy moth
I think he does or maybe his hand hurt box extends further into his weapon
I know in smash they would extend hurt boxes on sword character hands sometimes
west cloak
I know he has a hand hurtbox because Iāve had that hit multiple times
devout burrow
He has a hurt box on his axe ? Cause I feel like people hit my axe and itās over
it's not confirmed I don't think because we don't actually have hitbox data so it might just be that his hands are ginormous
west cloak
It could be
drowsy moth
Maybe
main copper
He def gets hit by things that dont look quite right admittedly but im partially chalking that up to the netcode being the way it is currently. A better test will be after the update hopefully
drowsy moth
either way ā ļø it doesnāt help when fighting banana
drowsy moth
He def gets hit by things that dont look quite right admittedly but im partially...
Trueee sometimes I do be getting hit playing other characters because of lag or game being dumb
west cloak
You need to bait out banana guard grounded side special and jump over him with dair
devout burrow
He def gets hit by things that dont look quite right admittedly but im partially...
it's really obnoxious that we don't have any of the game's data on hand
west cloak
Or potentially time grounded up special to grab him before he hits you but thatās less consistent from my experience
drowsy moth
You need to bait out banana guard grounded side special and jump over him with d...
yea I guess I need to better react on dash. But I also fought a banana that just kept poking with their spear and I just canāt get in even tho my sword is longer.
main copper
You need to bait out banana guard grounded side special and jump over him with d...
This exactly. Patience and punish game gotta be on point to win that match up or youll just get spear'd off cool down
drowsy moth
Then I get impatient and he dashes me
drowsy moth
This exactly. Patience and punish game gotta be on point to win that match up or...
Me š
west cloak
Yeah you need to be really patient against BG
If you run into him, youāll just lose
devout burrow
take advantage of the diagonal above him
west cloak
His range is too oppressive and Jason is too slow
drowsy moth
it sounds like I gotta turn into a Harley main with Jason and just make the air my friend.
devout burrow
he has a rough time outright covering his diagonal so he usually has to choose between catching a landing or calling you out with an up air or something
main copper
Me š
I know how tempting it is to be the menace you were meant to be but that match up is just so bad for you, that you have no choice but to be defensive
drowsy moth
he has a rough time outright covering his diagonal so he usually has to choose b...
Isnāt banana forward air like really oppressive too ? It look like it covers a whole 90 angle
west cloak
Yes
drowsy moth
I know how tempting it is to be the menace you were meant to be but that match u...
Mannnn I donāt like that that style cause it be semi boring and semi feel NOT like Jason.
But in a competitive standpoint I do need to do that more
west cloak
Banana Guard has like 4 insanely good moves:
- Side special
- Grounded side normal
- Side aerial
- Neutral special
drowsy moth
Itās funny cause thatās all the use
devout burrow
Isnāt banana forward air like really oppressive too ? It look like it covers a w...
ye but it's slow enough to where unless he's catching you on startup or something you're usually fine with dodging through it and resetting to neutral
west cloak
His up and down attacks are pretty meh
drowsy moth
I was talking to a friend and we both agreed he only needs side special and forward air š rest of his moves are ok but not as good as those
knotty sage
i feel his nair is pretty slept on
west cloak
His neutral air should be a good attack on paper, but no one uses it because he never needs to get close
knotty sage
it reminds me a lot of steven's nair
drowsy moth
ye but it's slow enough to where unless he's catching you on startup or somethin...
Hmmmm ok ok. I just gotta practice the match up- I just got destroyed by a banana and I felt like I donāt got tools against him
west cloak
I was talking to a friend and we both agreed he only needs side special and forw...
I mean thatās also true
drowsy moth
Armor helps once but like š I think I need a full armor charge to tank his side special
queen juniper
I use almost all of Jasonās buttons except for down special but so far pretty decent results with 250+ wins
west cloak
Hmmmm ok ok. I just gotta practice the match up- I just got destroyed by a banan...
If he really decays side special, then itāll do less than 20 damage and you can tank it with max rage
But every time you do that, you give yourself 15 damage
west cloak
Iām pretty sure the max charge is 15 self damage for 20 gray health
knotty sage
it does kinda stink that he has to damage himself for his neutral special
west cloak
I think itās fair for him to take self damage, but the gray health needs to increase to more than 20
queen juniper
it does kinda stink that he has to damage himself for his neutral special
This is the law of equivalent exchange
west cloak
No one should be able to do a single move and break the armor
devout burrow
Hmmmm ok ok. I just gotta practice the match up- I just got destroyed by a banan...
he's a really annoying matchup but it's just a matter of waiting for the correct time to attempt whiff punishing and once he gets a bit comfortable waiting himself you need to decide when it's time to go in and dash into his face with an attack that catches him jumping away from you or something
drowsy moth
he's a really annoying matchup but it's just a matter of waiting for the correct...
Ok Iāll try to be more patient then.
west cloak
And currently, thereās a decent bunch of characters who can deal more than 20 damage in a single hit
tacit pivot
38% and 36.4% win rate respectively š
Really? Dang that is depressing
drowsy moth
I got my booty whooped earlier by a Marvin main too ā ļø is that also a bad match up ? I couldnāt tell cause I genuinely didnāt know what he was doing- mostly cause his combos were stuff Iāve never seen before
west cloak
And currently, thereās a decent bunch of characters who can deal more than 20 da...
Not to mention he also loses all of his gray health to armor breaking moves because for some reason is functions exactly like armor
devout burrow
Ok Iāll try to be more patient then.
patience is key to jason since he gets a lot of reward for hitting basic confirms so parrying is a very good mechanic for him as well as the fact that your risk is really high if you start committing
drowsy moth
patience is key to jason since he gets a lot of reward for hitting basic confirm...
You see I feel like I parry but the game says ā na you donāt ā a lot.
Might be cause of net code but itās hard to tell
west cloak
Really? Dang that is depressing
Jason mains are getting absolutely destroyed rn
devout burrow
You see I feel like I parry but the game says ā na you donāt ā a lot.
Might be...
parry timing is very strict
flat wigeon
Really? Dang that is depressing
Haha yeah. It's rough. But he's still fun to play and can win although maybe not so well in the highest levels.
west cloak
Itās only like a 2-3 frame window or something to parry
devout burrow
so you often need a pretty decent read unless they do things like shaggy side b that you can just say parry omegalul
devout burrow
he can angle it up and blow you out for that is the problem
drowsy moth
I just stay in the air against shaggy cause all they do is spam side B- which none of jason moves can beat š
west cloak
he can angle it up and blow you out for that is the problem
No Shaggy kick spammer will ever angle it up
Their brains donāt think that far
drowsy moth
No Shaggy kick spammer will ever angle it up
True 
drowsy moth
ā ļø
devout burrow
well yea but good shaggies (which is what we should be basing our information on) will
drowsy moth
true ish
west cloak
Good Shaggy mains wonāt use kick in neutral
devout burrow
we should never make the assumption that our opponent is bad
west cloak
Theyāll approach with dash jab, nair, dair, or lead in with sandwich
drowsy moth
Good Shaggy mains wonāt use kick in neutral
Why not tho ā ļø beats all of Jason moves unless a forward machete is timed really well
west cloak
Itās way too slow and reactable
drowsy moth
A good shaggy that spam kicks is when I turn off my ps5
devout burrow
because if the jason is good the shaggy player can literally die for it
drowsy moth
Itās way too slow and reactable
Net code kinda helps them a little
west cloak
A little sure, but itās got a lot of startup and it doesnāt go as far unless he has rage
If you see him spin around, just jump and be ready to dair him for a combo
The spin around animation is what he does before kicking
devout burrow
the net code in this game is fine
drowsy moth
Actually do we have any good combos ? I know a decent one at 40 percent characters but other then that I kinda just one hit or two hit
west cloak
The only real bad thing about online is the 30 frame buffer we canāt change yet
devout burrow
which also happens offline
west cloak
Oh itās offline too?
west cloak
Actually do we have any good combos ? I know a decent one at 40 percent characte...
Not much tbh. Just jabs into grounded moves and maybe an aerial follow up
devout burrow
Actually do we have any good combos ? I know a decent one at 40 percent characte...
at low percent the combos are a little lackluster but if you get a wall or some percent on them you tend to deal quite a lot of damage
west cloak
Yeah, Jason needs a wall for big damage
devout burrow
doing things like mist step uair is still likr
a lot if damage
or if they ground bounce you get axe throw from mist step
west cloak
Iām not sure if itās guaranteed, but neutral b air grab into dodge jump sair works if they hit the ground on stage at mid percents
Iāve caught a few people with that in the rare situation I land that grab because itās so slow
drowsy moth
or if they ground bounce you get axe throw from mist step
I do double machete hit into misty walk. And if they go far I just do another double machete into Axe.
Thatās my bread and butter for good combo damage at mid percentage
But it fails if they are too low on damage or if stage is too small
west cloak
If theyāre holding in, you can get jab jab utilt uair at mid percents
west cloak
Usually something to go for if you land a jab at ledge where mist wonāt kill yet
And you can usually catch airdodge in with a double jump delayed up b
Itās gotten me a few stupid early kills from one read
drowsy moth
Mannnnn I didnāt use Up B for a while. Then I started using it today and I forget how good it is
Like Iām use to up Air on other characters doing their job at hitting people above you. With Jason up air it feels easy to dodge or miss- then I started using Up B and Iām like ā this should be his Up air ā
west cloak
His up b has crazy range
But itās really slow and he has no true combos into it besides dair grounded spike to up b
drowsy moth
yea but itās scary as hell and most people wonāt predict it cause itās hard to use.
ā ļø for me at least- my up B lands 80 percent of the time cause I used it once per match.
And the 20% missed cause I mistimed it
tender ravine
Think we might see more horror movie ips make their way into the game?
main copper
Actually do we have any good combos ? I know a decent one at 40 percent characte...
Jab jab down jab up special is usually what i use to farm to mid % then the jab jab tele combo works
elfin fossil
are any of jason's sig perks really worth it or should you just run 5%?
If you love flavor, his teleport is neat.
But 5% puts in so much work for him
mossy flume
Seriously though, why did they make his dodge after up light awful half the time
spiral pewter
Alright I'm just gonna say it @median geyser I see the vision. Ever since our friendlies I've sped up my gameplay and I'm snuffing everyone I touch
mossy flume
Or have a 1 damage hit on up light
spiral pewter
What is up light? You mean up tilt?
mossy flume
Yeha
spiral pewter
It's bugged
devout burrow
Alright I'm just gonna say it <@742201205144420352> I see the vision. Ever since...
he understands
spiral pewter
Up tilt and down tilt bug your dodge so that you can only dodge forward
It's not intentional
devout burrow
turns out when you just play at the same speed as everyone else you are just as fast as them
mossy flume
Yeah the Dodge is cringe
spiral pewter
But also, you really shouldn't be dodging THAT much anyway
devout burrow
ye
just be good at the game and you will win
I only really struggle against characters that I don't know very well at all
which is like
tom and jerry gizmo
characters that nobody fkn plays
mossy flume
I mean I disagree with that. At higher level you die in one hit whereas you need multiple reads to get a stock
Jason's bottom 2 for a reason lmao
hidden rivet
Jason's bottom 2 for a reason lmao
Actually all the way at the bottomš
mossy flume
I mean Velma might be fighting him for that spot
median geyser
Alright I'm just gonna say it <@742201205144420352> I see the vision. Ever since...
Good thing you're improving
devout burrow
I mean I disagree with that. At higher level you die in one hit whereas you need...
at higher levels the opponent still needs to read you if you're good with the system mechanics
to kill you
you always take a lot of damage because you are fat but because you are fat they typically need to win at least 1 more interaction
blaming the character is always cringe
median geyser
I need to learn how movement & dodge mechanics work
I got bodied by Batman lately, managed to get knockoffs but lost at the end several times
That dude was very good at dodging attacks around & parried majority of my attacks
river token
so he ends up being extremely difficult
Despite being listed as intermediate iirc
river token
I got bodied by Batman lately, managed to get knockoffs but lost at the end seve...
I also think Batman has a SUPER positive matchup into Jason
west cloak
I also think Batman has a SUPER positive matchup into Jason
I mean, yeah Batman runs circles around Jason and Jason canāt really do anything about it
median geyser
Not to tell, Batman has gadgets to aid him... his attacks are just better
gray gale
Not to tell, Batman has gadgets to aid him... his attacks are just better
I can't remember if batarang is a heavy projectile or not
but if not, you could try to run momentum perk against batman
and just tank it while rushing in
median geyser
The thing is though, he was good at dodging & parrying so I didn't really know what to do
gray gale
Yeah, that's sort of what Batman's deal is
if the player has good execution and skill, he's really strong
otherwise, he blows up for free
it hurts to say but if batman outskills you, sorry
very few options left
spiral pewter
I got bodied by Batman lately, managed to get knockoffs but lost at the end seve...
If the Batman grapples, then parry him and he's dead. Besides that just have that one perk that makes your dash block projectiles and he can't fight
Besides those two things he's kind of got a similar but worse playstyle to shaggy
But yeah if he was outparrying you it's a toughie. Gotta take your punishes to the back hard vs a good Batman. His moves are noncommittal enough that he can always try to bait something from you
main copper
I got my booty whooped earlier by a Marvin main too ā ļø is that also a bad match ...
If you want 1s practice just lmk! Can help with some knowledge or can run some 2s
dark sapphire
So does everybody already know about the jab 1 > down tilt loop?
west cloak
Yeah, but depending on the character, it stops working after a certain point
Dtilt will eventually send too far
dark sapphire
ah ok, it feels so satisfying to do esp mixing in jab 1 > dodge > jab
spiral pewter
Wait what's the loop? Cause Jab 1 > Dtilt > Jab 1 doesn't work on Shaggy in lab
main copper
Wait what's the loop? Cause Jab 1 > Dtilt > Jab 1 doesn't work on Shaggy in lab
Curious myself. I wonder if its with the platform perk and wall bounces with the air grab. Though at a high enough % youll just kill them
tacit pivot
Wait what's the loop? Cause Jab 1 > Dtilt > Jab 1 doesn't work on Shaggy in lab
Whaaat imma gona test it.
knotty sage
Wait what's the loop? Cause Jab 1 > Dtilt > Jab 1 doesn't work on Shaggy in lab
im p sure its jab 1 > jab 2 > dtilt
dark sapphire
thatās weird because i did it fine when i was in the lab vs shaggy
i was hitting that loop on ppl
main copper
thatās weird because i did it fine when i was in the lab vs shaggy
i was hittin...
What is the loop exactly?
dark sapphire
i did jab 1 > down tilt > jab 1 > down tilt > jab 1 > dodge > jab 1 > dodge > jab, jab, up special
dark sapphire
well after the ground up special itās like āmake one readā
and i wait for the dodge and air up special
main copper
Oh idk why my brain auto corrected ground special to air i see the vision now
dark sapphire
yeah this jason guy is mad stylish
west cloak
Wait what's the loop? Cause Jab 1 > Dtilt > Jab 1 doesn't work on Shaggy in lab
I think itās only against big characters
dark sapphire
if i have time after work iāll try clipping somebody with the loop
west cloak
But I havenāt tested it myself, so I canāt confirm
spiral pewter
I mean I've tried it several times, jab 1 ain't working. Not even in the "its not true"
I mean it's not connecting the jab 1 after dtilt
dark sapphire
bruh
if itās actually not true iām gonna cry
west cloak
Probably works on IG, but like heās not in the game anymore until the next patch
turbid lichen
i hate the training mode, the bot never dodges and theres no combo counter so you just dont know if something is a combo
spiral pewter
i hate the training mode, the bot never dodges and theres no combo counter so yo...
There's literally ai behavior you can change for them to dodge after hitstun
turbid lichen
yeah and half the time they just wont dodge
spiral pewter
They don't dodge frame 1 unfortunately but it's a fair enough indicator
turbid lichen
i can see them leave hitstun and start falling and i hit then still because they just dont
depends on the move you are doing and move you just did but sometimes they just dont detect it
neon spire
Time to hit the lab
dark sapphire
Yeah itās absolutely time to hit the lab
neon spire
How do you cancel out of the second swing of dair special?
dark sapphire
from that i think you have to not land on the ground/plats
neon spire
So I have to sweetspot the landing then?
dark sapphire
Maybe end the down special as close to the ground as you possibly can without touching the ground
elfin fossil
So I have to sweetspot the landing then?
Yes
I like the second swing because people keep forgetting it happens. I've gotten kills off people who were safe from a "Wiffed" Dair special
neon spire
Wow, so now I have to pay attention to the map too and have spatial awareness?, that's so unfair
harsh sorrel
Air walker jason feels good
twilit ledge
Unfortunately itās Ki-Ki-Ki-Ma-Ma-Ma
crystal timber
For real, it needs a buff.
And yeah, Anything that makes Rage even better is p...
For real HE needs a buff. Jason is cheeks, everything fun and unique for the character is useless. You play at a disadvantage cause huge hurt box and terrible hit boxes that pale in comparison to smaller faster characters.
elfin fossil
I will legit be happy just not havinging my weapons have hurt boxes
crystal timber
I will legit be happy just not havinging my weapons have hurt boxes
Ikr I also donāt understand why Jason has no armor moves.
elfin fossil
Ikr I also donāt understand why Jason has no armor moves.
Like, I get it, Unstoppable rage means technically any move can have armor, but then I get broadsided out of it because I dated try do something cool with an attack.
Like, at least the Dash attack, come on. And id kill everything everywhere for his Dair to have armor.
crystal timber
Like, I get it, Unstoppable rage means technically any move can have armor, but ...
Yep dair and air neutral special need armor
neon spire
Yep dair and air neutral special need armor
Armor on a spike move and a grab? that sounds op af
west cloak
Nair grab just needs to be faster
Like you get decent reward when you land it and grabs universally are armor breaking moves
But itās just too slow to be useful in its current state
elfin fossil
Nair grab just needs to be faster
Agree
elfin fossil
But itās just too slow to be useful in its current state
And I swear it is shorter range than it looks.
west cloak
Also, some important anti-Jason ātechā to be aware of. If you choose the āteleport behind youā perk, opponents can literally turn around on reaction to the move if Jason tries to use it to recover and heāll end up still being off stage
If Jason gets hit after that, heās basically screwed because you just used a few resources and likely only have one route to get back to stage
west cloak
And I swear it is shorter range than it looks.
I think the range is ok. He does stick his hand out pretty far. But like aināt no one getting hit by a like frame 50 grab
(Idk what the exact frame data on it is)
Iron Giantās grounded side special grab is faster and has more reward (even outside of the infinite)
elfin fossil
Also, some important anti-Jason ātechā to be aware of. If you choose the ātelepo...
Like i said, it needs more dodge frames.
tulip plaza
my recent matches history is nothing but Jason rn pft
he's so fun but gets beat up on sometimes
that being said I did 4-0* a bugs bunny
I dunno how much I count that fourth match since I got one stock off and I guess he realized he didn't actually want to rematch again, which is totally fair pft
twilit ledge
The pains of playing tank
I play 2v2s tho so if you have some that helps get them off you heās pretty good
harsh sorrel
unsure if it's better than just being slightly faster
Being able to pop rage mode mid air is such a plus imo
devout burrow
so, embarrasingly, Rage is not something I have extensively used until like
today
and apparently it uhhh
makes jason a good character
especially in some matchups
timber narwhal
Jason really needs armor in at least some of his moves
rage kinda gives armor, but not real armor, so some character can just chew through it like nothing
I think he is the only tank in the game that has no armor at all
dull axle
Yo am I crazy or does Banana Guard's Side Special have armor break properties? Any time I use neutral special and try to blow through it, I just get hit anyway.
devout burrow
how much damage does it deal
the training mode bot is cooked in so many ways
it makes labbing really difficult
lapis mist
Yo am I crazy or does Banana Guard's Side Special have armor break properties? A...
its probably just outdamaging the grey life you get from his neutral special
devout burrow
iām not worthy https://youtu.be/I39LZhNV2eE?si=STzzQz6gRATw5oFT
I'm so utterly confused as to whether some of these combos are true because when I try them in training mode yea the cpu doesn't dodge but like they were definitely acting in some way between hits which miiiight be a skill issue but it could also just be that the bots are incredibly stupid
mainly things like jab1 dc jab1 iad nair
and followups off of nair that aren't exactly like
uair
which sometimes works sometimes doesn't seemingly
now
jab1 dc jab1 dair into confirms like air downb are like
a gajillion percent true
and it's a huge discovery
but some of those combos seem incredibly jank and borderline nonfunctional
dull axle
its probably just outdamaging the grey life you get from his neutral special
If thats the case, that's kinda insane cuz Jason neutral special applies 20 grey health at full charge
ivory stone
yuh
devout burrow
check how much damage it does
also one of the biggest thing with jab1 dc jab1
is that you can sideswap with it very reliably (in fact usually it's more reliable than keeping them on the same side depending on character)
which means like
you can choose to do like
jab1 dc jab1 dair mist step to kill them if you're corners
or you just do the regular confirm if they're cornered
turbid lichen
ok when they update this dude they need to make down air special not leave the enemy inside you when you land
not only does it make the landing 2nd part of his down air special basically never hit but it makes these combos drop all the time
because his jab cant hit them if you swing left or right because they are inside your body
doesnt matter where you position the first part of down air special always leaves them inside you for no reason, if it left them just a little infront of you it would be so much cleaner for both things
river token
Jason in general feels a little undercooked
unique pewter
Jason in general feels a little undercooked
I think he needs a very slight buff, but honestly the more I play him the more used to his speed and spacing I get... definitely feels like most people's attacks override yours if you don't distance perfectly and start-up before them tho, but once I got better at his air attacks and chasing people with them I started feeling competitive again
Just quickly tapping special for grey health into bed crunch on an approaching enemy was a game changer for me lol, I was trying to be too greedy with it before and land fully charged attacks, but if you just tap it as people are coming at you and use it to insure the bed crunch lands so you can chase them up and hit an air attack is way easier and more consistent than what I was trying before
unique pewter
Yo am I crazy or does Banana Guard's Side Special have armor break properties? A...
I haven't been able to find anything that overrides a side special from Banana... I'm sure some attack probably does, but even Joker's slide (which I thought maybe would hit because it's so low?) gets interrupted... best thing to do is jump over it and either attack from above or behind, dodging is a little sketch since you chance getting caught with either the beginning or end of the animation... Parry may work on it but I've never landed it personally
lucid venture
IM IN A 2V2 WITH VELMA AND IM GIZMO
FIGHTING JASON
BOTH OF US ARE STUCK AND JASON HAS LITERALLY MAXED MY HEALTH BAR 4 TIMES
HE CAN'T KILL US AND WE CAN'T USE ANY MOVES
HE DOESNT WANT TO KILL HIMSELF BECAUSE WE'RE BOTH AT MATCHPOINT
HE JUST DC'D
ALL THAT FOR NOTHING??
neon spire
You got haunted, look behind you and remember to scream
tacit pivot
Hope we get a buff in this patch š¤
fading vapor
Lord knows we need it
astral birch
Hope we get a buff in this patch š¤
same. he's a bit bad. but he'S a hard character to balance. he's a bit like ganondorf is in smash ultimate. feels OP for noobs. but is actually really bad competitively
tacit pivot
bro
just saw patch notes
Jason
Ground Down Special
- Fixed an issue where one player would disappear when Jason grabbed two players with the sleeping bag
only bug fix :"v
errant summit
shame
median geyser
Why didn't they buff him reeeeeeee
astral birch
patch is out. no changes for Jason
tacit pivot
but in others news
this is W:
Players can now try all Fighters in Training Mode, including Fighters they do not own
super giga W
š
median geyser
this is W:
Players can now try all Fighters in Training Mode, including Fighter...
Good sh*t
Gonna test out T&J
dark sapphire
I CAN TRY JOKER š
hazy portal
no nerfs for jason loooool
lapis mist
no nerfs for jason loooool
jason is bottom tier
dark sapphire
Buttons too slow? Better nerf Jason
tacit pivot
harley too strong? better nerf jason
jason needs buffs
or just nerfs to top tiers
its an indirect buff to jason
since his mu spread is god awful
dark sapphire
Who is his best MU?
tacit pivot
probably like stripe or jake or smth
stripe always felt relatively easy to me as jason
dark sapphire
Hmmā¦ interesting
tacit pivot
let me make a way too early matchup chart rn and get some hot takes out
https://imgur.com/a/A3ERzvq
alright i cooked this up within 3 minutes week 2
what we thinking
how cooked am i
its in no order either
devout burrow
I mean I kinda thought we cooked ww a lil bit
tacit pivot
we might if you take the perk that removes her armor for a short while
tacit pivot
nah she does too much damage for the grey health
and grey health deals 8 to 15 damage to yourself so it very rarely is worth it
tacit pivot
her lasso has too much range to fully charge imo
devout burrow
and 20% is still a tall ask for moves that are reasonably safe
tacit pivot
if the ww has a braincell at least
tacit pivot
yea thats fantastic for jason
devout burrow
8 second cooldown is uhh
tacit pivot
but im willing to move ww, i dont have too much mu experience
devout burrow
probably slightly harsh
tacit pivot
what u thinking about the other picks tho
dark sapphire
genuinely superman at 0 for me is insane
devout burrow
well there's a bunch of characters I don't have any experience against
tacit pivot
ive always felt like superman is just annoying
just take the perk that removes his super armor and he loses half his useability
devout burrow
I think that Jason does better in most of these matchups that you thing
like I thought harley was god awful for us
but then I started tapping rage mode
and was like
wait a second
timber narwhal
Jesus can't do much against any character with faster startups than him
devout burrow
all of her moves do like 7 damage
timber narwhal
specially cuz he is the only tank that has no natural armor
easy to dodge attacks with no armor and long startups
very fun character
tacit pivot
i think that no jason wins against a harley on an even playing field
tacit pivot
the jason has to be a bit better than the harley to have a chance
tacit pivot
fair enough but i do think that its his worst mu by far
devout burrow
tom is a character that I need to play against more
tacit pivot
he has other bad matchups but nothing really comes close to harley imo
devout burrow
that matchup feels miserable but is probably fine
tacit pivot
i mean you can literally get looped to 90 and then you die to a single confirm
if the harley player knows what shes doing you arent gonna get a hit in in a long time
devout burrow
ye
dark sapphire
ye š
devout burrow
but harley is practically a featherweight and she falls fast
so she does in fact do the explody thing
when she gets hit
devout burrow
ye
tacit pivot
š
dark sapphire
.
devout burrow
he's pretty good
I think that post patch banana guard will be annoying still
only damage number changes
but I don't think banana guard was actually a terrible matchup to begin with
dark sapphire
iād put him in the āfew reads neededā tier
visual sail
I think that post patch banana guard will be annoying still
They didnt nerf what made him broken. The knockback is still the same
Unless knockback is tied to damage somehow
dark sapphire
iāll try to play in some soon when iām free, gunning for the next coinbox when it happens
tacit pivot
fair
i played in back to the lab again which was a 200 man tourney and got top 25 :))
even took a game off of nossages, the arguably best reindog and number 2 french player
pretty proud of that performance
dark sapphire
i gotta see vods of that tourney
tacit pivot
nossages ended up getting third overall
my only losses in any tourney are to a harley and a reindog
no other character yet haha
maybe im skill issued in those matchups who knows
median geyser
There are some movements guide I need to really use
Coz at this point, I'm getting hit so much with my opponents moving fast
median geyser
Really? You gonna coach me?
median geyser
It's just that I don't really know how to use them effectively...
Most of the time uses them wrong & got bodied
tacit pivot
you have to let go of forcing the movement options
do them when you think they are right, dont try and force something with them
itll end up hurting you more than itll help
besides, most of the time if you spam it youll just end up running out of stamina and dying
median geyser
besides, most of the time if you spam it youll just end up running out of stamin...
Yeah fight... fatigued...
timber narwhal
I think that post patch banana guard will be annoying still
patch is out
nothing changed
problem was never his damage
just the fact he gets value from his entire moveset
median geyser
Anyway @tacit pivot may if ik which continent you're from?
tacit pivot
i can record a short bit in training mode while explaining some stuff and youll already see what i mean
ill do it when i have time
median geyser
A'ight... I think send in dms if possible...
The rant is real
I also kinda agree with this guy for a second... I was wondering why doesn't Jason have any armor type of moves?
devout burrow
I really don't think this character sucks
median geyser
Aside from Rage
devout burrow
he's quite strong
he's a little honest for this game, yea
but like
if you are better than your opponent you will win
median geyser
It's just that Jason has everything like worse than Wonder Woman
Although I seen Nakat playing as Jason destroys Wonder Woman coz he knows what's he doing...
This guy is true... Jason is really bugged
languid harbor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWa0DNRmXHs
Oh yeah watched that guy.
median geyser
Man's ranting a lot about Jason
languid harbor
Really is.
tacit pivot
I really don't think this character sucks
what level are u playing it
from a casual standpoint sure
i do also think that jason is better than what i gave him credit for in week 1, but most of the time in an even high level playing field, the opponent will win
his moves are too telepgraphed and slow for him to be useful
devout burrow
I really need to face good players
bc a lot of the people I fight and stomp on are like
5k win andies
on like swaggy
devout burrow
shaggy
tacit pivot
damn thought u were talking about a person lmfao
tacit pivot
online jasons are completly braindead too
tacit pivot
it actually physically hurts me when i see a jason spam sideb in neutral
devout burrow
online jasons are very not smart
god
I don't know where or when tourneys are
so I have no references other than like
idk I beat up bad players a lot a lot
tacit pivot
https://www.start.gg
@devout burrow
go and enter a tourney to see where you are at skill wise
there is one happening like every second day or so currently
i would be curious where you rank
https://www.start.gg/tournament/friends-1-all-top-3-gets-5-usd/details
why not both play in this and see who gets further? :))
median geyser
cause I'm going to the gym
Damn working out & playing
devout burrow
the gym is the one place that understands me
orchid egret
buff tf out of him
elfin fossil
and grey health deals 8 to 15 damage to yourself so it very rarely is worth it
It's more worth it if you have a partner, since it's easier to catch people lacking
tacit pivot
the gym is the one place that understands me
Good luck brah
devout burrow
I mean the big thing with grey health is that it makes you faster
main copper
so that I can solidify myself as best jason na
you gotta surpass nakat for that and hes an evo champ
devout burrow
evo shmevo
harsh sorrel
Yall have to try out airwalker jason
It makes jab jab side special have so much more threat
gray gale
I dunno
the thing about airwalker Jason is that you're giving more offensive power to a guy that already has that in spades
it makes for sick asf clips for sure
and more opportunities
but I think you'd still rather have a parry to actually defend yourself and punish players that would otherwise box you out consistently
harsh sorrel
Its like a fake reversal
harsh sorrel
the thing about airwalker Jason is that you're giving more offensive power to a ...
It also allows you to use rage mode in the air
Which helps massively to land
And stop juggling
Or return to stage
Not many characters have a good aerial armor break outside of like WW
harsh sorrel
the thing about airwalker Jason is that you're giving more offensive power to a ...
It also refreshes your air options because you're technically standing on a platform. I think you're trading parry for more time to stall, another jump, possible special shenanigans, or even a reversaal
tacit pivot
ill have to agree with smoke
it makes for a cool clip but its such an incredibly niche perk that i dont know if it matters enough
its like resurrectionist for jason
it can work a couple times but its really bad if the enemy just knows what to do and expects it
or the other jason perk
tho that one is just overall bad tbh
airwalker can work if you do it right but its only really useful for shmixing and some mixups maybe
too niche and requires too much of a setup while being pretty predictable
i could of course be wrong but thats just my early thoughts
devout burrow
I think that airwalker is definitely neat and probably needs more exploration but it's very expensive
for what it does
harsh sorrel
What do you guys run instead? The small movement buff?
tacit pivot
i do the basic 5% one, then snowball effect, then last stand and lastly pugilist
tacit pivot
being very slightly faster is extremely helpful
respectfully disagree, slow + slow is still slow
devout burrow
I think last stand is like
fine
you don't deal enough raw attacks for it to really be useful
harsh sorrel
I dont notice the 5% movement speed, in neither air or ground. I've found more success with air walker and just being that absoluye advantage state demon this character is
gray gale
What do you guys run instead? The small movement buff?
I think it's just snowball, last stand/2 fast 2 block, pugilist for me
5% movement speed buff over an abysmall movement speed is not a lot
tacit pivot
you don't deal enough raw attacks for it to really be useful
maybe we have a diff playstyle then? i get last stand off in nearly every game i play
gray gale
Last stand is easily a lot better for Jason than speed force
you're basically always gonna be applying weakened
devout burrow
maybe we have a diff playstyle then? i get last stand off in nearly every game i...
I get it off but a perk that only really does something later in the game to me just isn't as valuable as something that makes everything more consistent
tacit pivot
well you can get it off nearly every stock when di'ing correctly considering you are a heavy
devout burrow
ye
tacit pivot
i believe that you are underestimating last stands power
but thats the nice part about the game
devout burrow
but I'd rather not be in a situation where I'm playing above 100%
tacit pivot
everyone having diff playstyles of playing the char
also what we thinking about this? #clips message
have started implementing this in my kit as nobody expects jason to be able to kill you off of the first hit of downb
devout burrow
and because everyone else also runs speed force, not running it puts you at an inherent disadvantage
gray gale
not true
Jason's speed is abysmal already
5% of terrible is still going to be terrible
you only should really run speed force on characters with an already decent amount of movement speed
devout burrow
also what we thinking about this? https://discord.com/channels/87997080073471180...
average harley player dodging away into your move lul
I'm unsure how real aerial upb into uair is
it feels true at some percents
but I can't tell
gray gale
on your second slot, you got 2 fast 2 block and last stand
both of which make Jason more consistent and are generally more applicable
making shoulder bash break armor is outright giving Jason a new option
tacit pivot
I'm unsure how real aerial upb into uair is
its more of a mixup really, you dont have to upair immediatly, but most people panic when at above jason right under the blast zone so waiting out just 1 dodge usually makes it true
devout burrow
that sounds about right
devout burrow
last stand is fairly good
harsh sorrel
Like sometimes you fight a good assassin or whatevwr and you dont reach 100% alive idk
devout burrow
I don't find it as valuable as incremental value given from being slightly faster
knotty sage
jason is fairly heavy, he can live a bit at 100
devout burrow
you are definitely surviving to 100+
tacit pivot
Like sometimes you fight a good assassin or whatevwr and you dont reach 100% ali...
really doesnt happen a lot
very rarely does jason not make it to 100
the main benefit from last stand comes from the fact that you can nearly always proc it since you survive to 100 all the time
if it only activated at like 140 or smth, then it would be really bad
but 100 is very generous for a heavy
knotty sage
i can never remember perks names in this most of the time
devout burrow
give people weakened if you hit them and they're at or above 125
tacit pivot
thats dog wtf
devout burrow
I know
tacit pivot
usually you kill people from 80 to 120 lmfao
knotty sage
give people weakened if you hit them and they're at or above 125
maybe on characters with weak kill options, absolutely not on jason
devout burrow
maybe on characters with weak kill options, absolutely not on jason
it's just bad
a straight up 7% damage boost all the time is almost always better
like what does weakened really even do
especially at that point
tacit pivot
exactly
knotty sage
like what does weakened really even do
i think it increases damage taken and knockback
knotty sage
so its just "kill better"
devout burrow
does anyone know?
tacit pivot
ill look it up
nope
even the wiki doesnt explain it
doesnt give a number
would have to lab it to make sure
harsh sorrel
very rarely does jason not make it to 100
Maybe my disadvantage in 1's needs work. But in 2's i see the vision
devout burrow
it definitely does
you should not be dying early if you're good at defensive mechanics
tacit pivot
yap
played a first to 10 against mrmeanmoustache today
a pretty good harley
lost 8-10 but a fantastic learning experience
tacit pivot
surprised i got any game off in that mu
devout burrow
oh yea that matchup feels super rough until you like
know it know it
you really have to use everything
tacit pivot
you just have to accept that you will be watching a 5 second cutscene most of the time
devout burrow
oh ye
you need to have good rage uptime too
and being on the ground is
not a good idea lul
devout burrow
the queen of "you literally cannot whiff ever"
rage is so useful in so many matchups
being faster and blowing through options is just so good
harsh sorrel
not a good idea lul
If not the ground what are you doing just zoning/approaching with nair/fair?
devout burrow
If not the ground what are you doing just zoning/approaching with nair/fair?
you don't want to ever be the aggressor unless you have a read
she whiff punishes you mega easy with her dlight
harsh sorrel
I mean yeah you cant aggress on jason but my question was
If you arent playing grounded neutral
How are you playing it?
devout burrow
jumping and waiting
a lot
you get rage
you force respect
and when you're out of rage you have to respect her
tacit pivot
its kinda boring but hes right
the main thing i learned in the mu is that under almost no circumstance do u want to approach or be the aggresor as jason
just wait, take it easy and think about how u wanna play
if you trade moves, you win
devout burrow
so sometimes you have to go in with a sair to stop her from just belligerently dairing in neutral or something
but that's a big callout
harsh sorrel
I always tried to play very grounded and whiff pubish with jab, or like up special
And fair
Lotvof fair
I'll try just jumping around a lot
devout burrow
like she wants to bait you into an action so the way you beat that is either you murder her before she can bait you or you just don't get baited
the former is much riskier and needs a read but usually is required to deal with more defensive plays
sometimes aggressing looks as safe as jumping forward but sometimes you want to call something out
but if you just play safe then she can't hit you mega easily unless you're predictable in which case she just goes in and murders you
twilit ledge
The they only did bug fixes Iām sure
west cloak
The only Harleyās Iāve beaten as Jason are the ones who are content to just autopilot slide directly into my charged rage utilt
The Harleys who actually pay attention and use good movement to approach and have optimized their combo game are basically unwinnable for Jason
muted dove
I really wanna pick this dude up
knotty sage
I really wanna pick this dude up
hes kinda big man how much can you lift?
muted dove
A good 200
knotty sage
oh dang alr maybe then
wide grotto
I really wanna pick this dude up
he's fun af do it
languid harbor
online jasons are completly braindead too
Insanely. I play alot of 2v2's and the times i see whether it's my partner Jason or the enemy jason they're always getting combo'd or outplayed.
devout burrow
So I realize that people really just don't know how rage is used like at all
because it's like mfs think that it's supposed to be a win neutral button when it's there to force the opponent into doing options that they don't want to do
even if they can break the armor (which yes does get easier with armor breaker), you'd much rather them going for something that would break armor (which is usually more unsafe than anything else) than go for something that's more worth doing
you basically put the opponent in a situation where they have to guess or get chunked
because either they do something that breaks armor, which are more likely to be able to dodge and punish (not to mention that if you know what moves they need to do, you can more easily cover these options safely)
or they have to run away and try to dodge you long enough for you either to run out of rage or whiff a button
and if they don't guess right they get chunked for like 30% because you have more damage
on top of being put in a bad spot
main belfry
Okay so quick question
what actually ddoes the buff do
it gives hyperarmor/armor and increases knockback from what i know
main belfry
yeah its till 20 ,,grey" hp
tacit pivot
it powers up your next hit by a good amount
however if you miss an attack, its gone
it also does 8 to 15 damage to yourself
depending on how long you charge it
main belfry
Though just for me Up B into Sair isnt true right
a lot of people just get hit by it for some reason putting me on edge guard duty
tacit pivot
yea it is far from true
dair into upb is true and a nice kill confirm at like 60
but upb has too much endlag for it to true combo into anything
very rarely can you follow up with a uair but its more of a mixup option
main belfry
dair up b? do you mean the aerial version for Up b? the machete cleave
tacit pivot
yes
and you meant the grounded upb then?
still not true either way
can work as a mixup, but its not true
main belfry
does jason have anything true other then AA variation of B other than Down B
tacit pivot
i dont know what u mean by that ngl
dont say AA
just say jab1-2
so what do u mean by jab1-2 varation of b
devout burrow
it also does 8 to 15 damage to yourself
it still ends up effectively healing you tbf
unless you end the effect by attacking
main belfry
so what do u mean by jab1-2 varation of b
yeah idk what terminology to use here
Light and heavy
or A B or whatever
tacit pivot
it still ends up effectively healing you tbf
i know, just adding it as a side comment haha
devout burrow
rage literally does everything
devout burrow
except in the mirror where it does almost nothing lul
tacit pivot
some are unwinnable without
devout burrow
oh yea
rage makes steven like
borderline free
tom still feels rough
also after giving last stand another try
it's definitely a perk of all time
it's difficult to quantify how good it really is a lot of the time though
because it does, at base, make you kill slightly earlier and do slightly more damage
you're probably not getting full value but it's not going to be necessary
but at the same time
being at 100 means one of two things
either you are in a bad spot where you have to reset to neutral to get a hit
or you are in neutral, usually at a percent deficit
which makes using it kind of annoying
speed force and last stand are probably completely interchangeably atp
but I'm unsure
maybe airwalker is the sauce
if we figure it out more
main belfry
Actually imma try to cook with airwalker
i have a idea
asides is it just me or does black adam and lebron feel more painfull to deal with then harley
istg i beat harley more than black adam
main belfry
i did but he cooked me like a fried fish but that might be because of the janky hitbox and netcode
devout burrow
black adam is also giga rare
devout burrow
all of my matches are shaggy harley ww and joker lul
main belfry
thats the 4 characters i see the most
devout burrow
I fight like
70% shaggies
it's really funny
I will probably never lose that matchup ever again
main belfry
i still just suck so i loose 2-1 to shaggys lmao
probably only matchup i bascially never loose is jake?
devout burrow
I don't get enough jakes to make a statement on how well I do
tacit pivot
same tho
its jake and stripe for me
very easy matchups
jake has the range advantage but the endlag is so huge on his attacks that even jason can punish it lmao
devout burrow
oh ye
stripe is another
yea I've literally never fought stripe
I am missing just
a ton of matchup experience
bc matchmaking just sux I guess
at least I will never lose to a shaggy or wonder woman ever again
tacit pivot
dont play online
main belfry
stripe cooks me i feel like
tacit pivot
ask in here in the #lfg-competitive channel
main belfry
jake just feels so odd
devout burrow
that's fair
main belfry
his pony just gets outclassed by nair and sair
half of his attacks are easy to parry
devout burrow
the quality of matches in #lfg-competitive doesn't feel much higher
tacit pivot
maybe you arent playing against the right people
play against someone like frown
or ask mrmeanmoustache
nossages
devout burrow
that is fair
tacit pivot
people that know what they are doing
devout burrow
I just matched with randos
like
another jason
that I beat like
19-1 I think?
tacit pivot
well we both know half the jasons dont have a brain
main belfry
thats true i leave mine in the Down B i dont use
devout burrow
and then earlier I played against a guy who uhh
told me to get a job
that's how badly I cooked him
I screenshotted that dm
it was too funny
main belfry
i only had one weird encounter with a guy loosing 2-0 and then blocking me
devout burrow
fair
I once got a 2s partner
I said that jason is just better wonder woman
and he left the call
main belfry
That sounds wrong but at the same time
i have like 10 h in this game
idfk
11h my bad
devout burrow
the joke is that the two characters are not similar whatsoever
tacit pivot
i have like 10 h in this game
bruh.
ive got like 110 in the last 10 days alone
also how do they keep fumbling these events
why is the top dog challenge not out yet
doesnt really make sense to me
tacit pivot
same š
main belfry
but i was a batman one trick
tacit pivot
i didnt like the beta that much