Jason

[devout burrow]

apparently it's not reliable

[ocean vale]

or is that inconsistent ?

[devout burrow]

just from eyeballing it

[ocean vale]

well rip, i was thinking it was weird some stuff entered buuuut oh well

[devout burrow]

I think that if there's any extensions from side special

it'll be like

sair and uair

uair near edge after side b might be optimal routing if it works

[ocean vale]

so far my most consistent stuff is:

• Jab 12 - Up Special or Down Normal
• Down Air - Up Air or side air (up air becomes up tilt sometimes cause i'm too close)
• Jab 1 into Neutral ??? not sure yet cause i feel it incosistent

[devout burrow]

jab 12 side b is optimal if we can find a route off of it

[ocean vale]

i think it triggers at higher percentages

also idk if the "teleport behind" perk makes it better

[devout burrow]

at high % it literally just kills

[ocean vale]

assuming ur not too far from the edge ur aiming at xD

[devout burrow]

depending on what we can actually find, it could be detrimental

cause like

there might be like

[ocean vale]

@devout burrow near the edge is a death sentence

at lower percentage

[devout burrow]

percents where it combos into grounded up b

[ocean vale]

u are left behind with a lot of lag after a Side B

[devout burrow]

you can cancel the end up side b

[ocean vale]

u have to mash a follow up as soon as u get out of teleport

[devout burrow]

you can also choose to hold back during startup to not move

if you have the perk

[ocean vale]

oh so like a fake teleport of sort ?

[devout burrow]

ye

[ocean vale]

uh... didn't know that

[devout burrow]

ye I just found that out 30 minutes ago lol

[ocean vale]

i'm assuming it was written in the movelist ??? or did they just not add it ? xD

[devout burrow]

you can't do it without the perk

for

some reason

[ocean vale]

weird o__o

if that is the case though, it makes it better as the main perk for him just cause of that

idk why pick Resurrection considering how short the time window for hitting someone is

especially since most can just runaway from Jason

[devout burrow]

the real reason it might be better is if it lets you reliably combo into sair

and if there are no combos that would work without it

[ocean vale]

teleport in Side Air i don't think i ever landed it as a natural combo

[devout burrow]

yea

it might at some percents?

unsure

most notably it could be an early kill confirm

[ocean vale]

u can use it to call out a dodge but i never managed to land it naturally

hell pretty sure i got parried for mashing it out

[devout burrow]

yea

what percents were you doing this at?

[ocean vale]

mmh pretty sure at around 60ish where the teleport sends em far but not far for a ring out

[devout burrow]

oof

then it prob doesn't work

I think uair is faster

but to reliably get uair

you'd have to be near edge

[ocean vale]

i would have to try it out again but... training mode sucks :_-)

[devout burrow]

and you wouldn't be able to have the perk

without monstrous if you're near an edge and hold down on startup you'll teleport below the edge

same if you're in the air and you hold down you'll go downward

[inner lodge]

Also it seems like his teleport perk might let you attack almost right out of teleporting…maybe

[devout burrow]

you can cancel out of the latter part without the perk

so luke

our options might depend on percent

[inner lodge]

How?

[devout burrow]

I think the perk probably just guts our routes if sair doesn't work

[devout burrow]

by doing a move

same as with the perk

it lets you cancel with an attack

the things that need testing

are uhh

need to see if uair works near ledge

need to see if grounded upb ever connects

if those are true then jason damage shoots up dramatically

[ocean vale]

you can just straight up mash the button

the issue is that if DON'T use attack at all, ur left there like a dum dum

and ur pretty much dead cause ur probably off stage too

although if that fake teleport thing is true, i guess it doesn't count that much

[harsh sorrel]

@round depot I think i found something kinda big

I cant post my clip

But you can do grounded aerials

[devout burrow]

I'm unsure exactly what you mean

do you mean that you go directly from neutral into an aerial without jumping?

[harsh sorrel]

Okay so if you jump and do up special, its too high in order to hit a grounded opponent right? However if you do #clips message this you can

[ocean vale]

oh the airdash trick

it's pricey though

[harsh sorrel]

It takes a bit of meter but having up special be able to just rip like that its nice

[ocean vale]

ur essentially gambling 3 stocks of ur dodge

and if were already dodging ur essentially gambling burnout

[devout burrow]

what is this really useful for though

[ocean vale]

i guess having a different kill option on the ground ? although up tilt is already good enough

[harsh sorrel]

It leaves them directly in front of you for more punish game

[devout burrow]

none of our aerials are really that great in approacg

[ocean vale]

well... except Sair honeslty xD

although that move is an all rounder

[devout burrow]

sair isn't an approaching tool

[ocean vale]

i just use it as an all rounder, moving forward, keeping distance, doing taxes

[devout burrow]

sair exists to delete the opponent

[harsh sorrel]

Honestly i really use this on ledge or early mix up combo game

Because in those spots you cant use up tilt the same way as up special hits better in front of uou and leaves you way closer

[devout burrow]

utilt scoop is actually nutty

lul

[harsh sorrel]

You can also threaten our admittedly horrid air neutral with it as it catches everything but dodge inward, but if yiu guess dodge inwards you just..drift back fair

[devout burrow]

is this just done by

jump+dodge very fast?

or luke

dodge hold up?

[harsh sorrel]

Diagonally up dodge

[devout burrow]

I see

this works with air normals too, right?

[harsh sorrel]

Mhm

[devout burrow]

upback dodge sair might be strong

[harsh sorrel]

But i dont think its worth the dodge to just use sair

Maybeee nair

Maybe dair

[devout burrow]

sair is a better normal than both of those

[harsh sorrel]

Its better at launching

But i think nair and dair have more combo potential

[devout burrow]

dair has more combo potential but is also slower

[harsh sorrel]

I think jason kills for free, i'm just looking for more ways to start make our advantage state scarier to get more bang for my buck

[devout burrow]

and p much has to whiff punish by going over attacks

the problem is consistently getting a hit in yea

we also need to make our 100% consistent damage higher

bc like

getting 22 from a combo isn't that appealing

[harsh sorrel]

It really isnt

[devout burrow]

that's why we really wanna optimize combo routes

this might help

unsure

[cold moth]

CHOOOOO- CHOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/choo-choo-train-wreck-fight-gif-15994683

[harsh sorrel]

I unironically think jab jab down tilt Instant up special is better than our normal strings

Hold on lemme get a clip

[devout burrow]

I'm not even sure if that's consistent

I've def had people dodge between down tilt and up b

[harsh sorrel]

Ugh this is hard to input to even begin with

Got it

Once its done uploading i wanna see how yall feel about it

Di might shift it, but the bot is set to dodge outta hitstun

[devout burrow]

unfortunately it's unreliable

ime if they DI to where they go directly above your head they get to dodge it

[harsh sorrel]

I really wish the lab was better in this game

[devout burrow]

oh yea

it sucks balls

[harsh sorrel]

#combos message

Peep it

Like, does that not leave jason in a better spot to cause more dmg?

You react to where they go, and either up air/up special again. Or you sair

[devout burrow]

maybe

we will have to test with real players

because DI could make it not work

or the bot could be just

not dodging for some reason

because training mode smile

[harsh sorrel]

Time to try out a really tight input against real players in online netcode

[ocean vale]

or u know... make a room and test the netcode righ now 👀

hell wonder how the connection vs US is here from EU with a normal non Gigabit connection

[harsh sorrel]

Im confused

[devout burrow]

I'm unavail atm

need to go sleep

[spiral pewter]

If it's hardwired it's fine

Me and my UK mates have been playing honestly more seamlessly than we've ever played any other fighting game

[tranquil zinc]

no

[round depot]

yeah i figured that out

[tacit pivot]

https://medal.tv/games/multiversus/clips/hYTXbzf22NSZOWgMc/d133756tWDV5?invite=cr-MSxOVTksNjk2NDE4OSw

[lapis mist]

its not a problem now because jason has a bad neutral but keep in mind most sig perks in the game are pretty much useless. this gives you a chance to take a free stock. you might get nothing out of it but it has no downside whatsoever. other characters would kill for something like that

[balmy prairie]

literally the worst out of the three perks but alright

[spiral pewter]

Still debatable but yeah its not good

[tacit pivot]

no you absolutely can dodge after the sideb

its about as untrue as it gets lmfao

[hidden rivet]

My Tier list rn

S Tier: WW, Banana Guard, Steven, Bugs, Harley
A Tier: Arya, T&J, Marvin, Black Adam, Joker, Finn
B Tier: Shaggy, Morty, Rick, Jake, Superman, Batman, LeBron, Stripe,
C Tier: Gizmo, Garnet, Jason, Iron Giant
D Tier: Reindog, Taz, Velma

[tranquil zinc]

maining 2 c tiers go hard

[muted dove]

Which perk do you guys use

Sig perk

[tranquil zinc]

5%

[muted dove]

Really?

I thought monster sidestep would be good

[mint prairie]

He’s very fast for a tank

[tranquil zinc]

if people just stop pressing buttons they can punish you easily for it

[tranquil zinc]

have you seen ww

[muted dove]

Ah

What about resurection?

Seems good

[tranquil zinc]

i usually die at ridiculous percentages as jason so one sneeze and i'm gone

also people can just run away from you

and 5 seconds isn't that much

[muted dove]

Ah

[tranquil zinc]

some people say that sidestep is good but i don't think it is

[inner lodge]

I did go against a Jason yesterday that was actually doing some pretty cool stuff with Monstrous Sidestep, so it might be worth further trials

[tulip plaza]

I usually go for the resurrection but only cus I think its funny when I just ZOOP into the blastzone
altho I do try to make the most of it
I probably should be using something else

[quiet sorrel]

What am I supposed to do against a Finn that just stunlocks me into a combo no matter how much I dodge?

[balmy prairie]

my personal ranking of the signature perks is

1. Well Rounded (5% attack and defense is always good, especially with jason's high damage)
2. Sidestep (Is really good for getting right where you want to be, and can also be used as recovery vertically if your opponent is below you, however you can become an easy target if you overuse it)
3. Ressurection (let's be honest, in the small timeframe you're given you can never achieve anything, plus you keep your % so you just end up getting KO'd again most of the time, it'd be better to simply respawn at 0 with the invincibility shield)

[balmy prairie]

maybe you're dodging in the wrong direction, plus you should be using the knockback from his attacks to move away and not into him

if he's flinging you around like a ping pong, try to bait like you're gonna land and instead use the tp, otherwise if you're offstage, you can grab the wall and climb up while using up air special, the finn will most likely try to camp the ledge and jason's up air special covers pretty much all of it

also if he's charging at you just use axe throw, it outranges his sword

and you can use grey health to win the clash between your jabs and his

tho you need to charge the full 20 grey health or else he'll just break it right away

[devout burrow]

this is wrong

the correct tier list is
S Tier: Jason
Z tier: Everyone else

[muted dove]

I just noticed, why TF IS BATS B

Higher than arya???

I mean lower*

[quiet sorrel]

Idk if I'm not playing too aggressively

[balmy prairie]

depends on your playstyle honestly

i like being more aggressive personally, but if an opponent is realying heavily on having me close to them, i try to zone them and keep them like mid-distance while chipping away damage

i run the mist walker perk so i tend to wait for them to attack so i can tp behind and punish

[quiet sorrel]

Epic embed fail 😔

[spiral pewter]

Ngl this list is super accurate in some places then super inaccurate in others and I think that's funny

[hidden rivet]

That's why it's a personal tier list lol

[spiral pewter]

I know I'm just saying that it's a funny duality lol

[turbid lichen]

people always put their own character low cause they think its the character not them

[devout burrow]

I think that Jason is the best character in the game

[tranquil zinc]

well it's not me it's the sources i see

[gray gale]

Very much not

[tranquil zinc]

also jason has so many horrible matchups. everyone that is at the top simply eats him for food

[gray gale]

between the size, speed, endlag and startup he has across the board, he's not fit to play with the top tiers

[tranquil zinc]

yeah

[gray gale]

if his arms grew to be twice the size

[devout burrow]

I don't think his matchups are particularly miserable if you optimize your punish game

[gray gale]

he'd probably still be A tier

[devout burrow]

like Jason is spooky when he lands a hit

[gray gale]

yeah, that's the point

an actual good player with an actual good character is not getting hit

[devout burrow]

I have a feeling that once we optimize routes we're going to be chunking people from 0 to 40 to dead

[rigid snow]

Same here.

[gray gale]

he's literally incapable of doing anything against the likes of WW or Superman

[devout burrow]

and like

[rigid snow]

I think his moveset is really cool and fun

[devout burrow]

the parry system is cool

[tranquil zinc]

every time i don't play jason and i get paired agaisn't another jason it's just sad for the other guy

i don't think i've ever lost to a jason in 1s tbh

[devout burrow]

I mean you have a ton of opportunities to hit the opponent because you are fat

and like

[tranquil zinc]

yeah

[rigid snow]

I think that it's cool that they referenced the scene with the bed from Freddy vs Jason with his up special

[devout burrow]

even a good player will have to make an unfavorable guess eventually

if you play well as Jason

I haven't lost a jason mirror tbh

[tranquil zinc]

just don't make too many wrong guesses boom let him attack first

[devout burrow]

everyone is super antsy to get hits in

[tranquil zinc]

but this is a problem this game has in general

[devout burrow]

you can't afford to attack first as Jason a lot of the time

[tranquil zinc]

no one is really that much incentivized to attack first in this game

[devout burrow]

ye

it's obnoxious

it's brawlhalla without gravity cancelling or fluid movement kekw

[tranquil zinc]

i never played other platform fighters so i couldn't know

[devout burrow]

most platform fighters enable lame playstyles

outside of like rivals

[tranquil zinc]

like spam and stuff?

[devout burrow]

more like

not making a first move

[tranquil zinc]

i see

[devout burrow]

being hyperpatient

[tranquil zinc]

well that's quite annoying

[devout burrow]

ye

you should play a good game like Vampire Savior

[ocean vale]

to be fair jason is slow so it makes sense that he can't press a lot

he definitively ain't harley

but yeah in general i saw a lot more of "Waiting" through games cause chances u'll land on a dodge and that's the end of that

funny enough i played against a joker and saw a weird Warning on him "STOP CAMPING"

[tranquil zinc]

that's so sad

[ocean vale]

idk if this was present back in the beta but was there any "Negative Penalty" of sort where if u wait too long they do something ?

[tranquil zinc]

i'm also not gonna be a ditch and simply not play the game. if my enemy is standing still and we are not making anything for a long time ofc i'm gonna go in i want to play the game

[ocean vale]

i mean it ain't sad, it's just a way of designing the game

previously it was "chaotic" for em, now they went the other way around

[gray gale]

no

[tranquil zinc]

yeah it wasn't in the beta

[devout burrow]

I'm perfectly willing to sit in one spot and wait if it's optimal

[ocean vale]

ok so i wasn't immagining, i saw it ONCE though

[tranquil zinc]

boring af

[ocean vale]

@devout burrow i mean that goes for any fighter in general, hell SF literally revolves sometimes around waiting for a mistake

[devout burrow]

I have 0 qualms with camping

[ocean vale]

and if u have a life lead, who gives an F bout the other fella

he's gotta gamble it, not me

... pretty much every Guile :_-)

[devout burrow]

sfv was super based on whiff punishing then they made drive rush a good mechanic in sf6 and practically fixed the issue

guilty gear neg penalty outright punishes you for sitting and waiting

[ocean vale]

yeah SF6 is more offesnive oriented, but u can still do the usual, although relying too much leads to burnout and u then get a one sided afair

[devout burrow]

kof's system mechanics like shorthops make being patient much harder

[ocean vale]

yeah which is why it's my favorite (or rather Anime Fighters in general)... except for strive... sorry just personal taste, i prefer up to REV2 😛

[devout burrow]

I like +r

I'm a Justice enjoyer

[ocean vale]

but then if i want a more chaotic game i still have KI 2013

[devout burrow]

I also play a lot of SF2 lul

[ocean vale]

and that is my combo game of choice * __ *

[devout burrow]

I love ST

[ocean vale]

EFF LEARNING COMBOS, I DO THE COMBOS!!

I COOK EM THE WAY I WANT EM!!

and then there's the usual with their way of doing neutral and stuff

but yeah long story short, Multiversus just wants more "punishing" than pure chaos... at least that's the idea

if u wanna say F U to that, then there are characters like Harley / Stripe and company that can allow you to go more Unga Bunga

[devout burrow]

I mean it's balanced around 2v2 which I think is probably correct for a platform fighter

[ocean vale]

depends on who u wanna ask, there's fellas that don't like the 2v2 focus, they prefer the 1v1

like any other fighter

hell i'm more inclined to 1v1 personally, 2v2 is the "Fun mode" whenever i got a friends which wants to do some chaos

i know it's competitive 2v2 but like any other FG, i just like to do tech and learn but never liked going competitive

i'll still try to get decent at least to piss off someone and steal rounds 👀

[tranquil zinc]

i still doubt that this game will get more competitive views in 2s tournaments than 1s

it just seems like a waste of time balancing for 2s imo

[muted dove]

Are you high

The games niche is LITEARLY 2v2

The biggest tournament was LITEARLY 2s

If u believe 2s isn't getting the most comp views u aren't keeping up or you are just coping for 1s

[tranquil zinc]

yeah i am not keeping up

well guess i'm wrong

[muted dove]

I get it tho, but for any tournament setting best believe 2s is what's gonna be peeked at first

I think that's the whole reason they slowed down the game asw

Easier to keep up what's going on in the 2v2 tournament

1s is pretty much an after thought which u can tell with some balancing changes/heros imo

[tranquil zinc]

well i don't really have friends to play this game so i think after some time i'm dropping it probably if 2s is where everyone is playing

[muted dove]

Honestly for the 1s experience there definetly is better games but 1s is still popular for good reason in the community

I jist think from a marketing standpoint PFG really emphasizes that 2v2 is the platform they wanna focus on

On a side note tho I have began to realize ppl are ranking Jason pretty low, wonder if some pro jason will break this mentality🤔

[tranquil zinc]

what tier you think jason belongs then

[gray gale]

Jason is not getting past low A

that's him at his absolute biggest potential

on average, he's a solid B

[muted dove]

Hmmm fair nuff

[tranquil zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009533239339253770/1246583797625917480/image.png?ex=665ceb21&is=665b99a1&hm=5524d3986f3bd515ec5a8612d4ad5c895d104b3592dbbdae8539516b50c5c154& rough

[muted dove]

Yea xbox is cooked rn

I got kicked out like 4 times in a row

Hope this is prioritized immediately

Car smash->rocket boots->leg spin->super punch is so good

Idr being able to do any of that in beta

Whoops wrong chat..

[tranquil zinc]

i'm playing 2s after playing that only on day 1 with jason and honestly yeah he is pretty good in this mode

only thing that is missing for jason is an instant kill grab

||j||

[tulip plaza]

I did double jason with a friend just now, had so much fun

[dawn kiln]

Jason best perk set? Lookin for the best build for bro

??

Tbh Jason’s down special grab is ass

[west cloak]

So is his neutral special grab

They’re both too slow

Grounded up special grab is great tho

[west cloak]

The 5% damage/defense signature is probably best. Perk 1 can pretty much be whatever you want tbh. Last Stand and the movement speed buff one are best for Perk 2. I usually just go Pugilist for Perk 3 because it couldn’t hurt for Jason to deal even more damage

Resurrection is kind of a meme and is only useful against people who don’t know to just run away until Jason automatically dies. The teleport one sounds good but will more often than not get you punished, especially in 2v2

[devout burrow]

nuh uh

he's the best character in the game

[gray gale]

Come up with a better bait

Say Taz is the best character, or something

[tacit pivot]

hard disagree

possibly a hot take, but i think hes around bottom 5

every. single. good player ive played against has literally just told me to swap character

jason has some of the worst matchup spread i have ever seen from any fighting game character

half the cast beats him cuz they are zoners, the other 30% beat him cuz they are small

the rest are ok at best

[gray gale]

Bottom 5 in this game is like, not bad at all, still B tier

Not counting Velma

[tacit pivot]

i dont see any potential in the current jason

i wanna stick with him cuz hes a lot of fun to me, but he without a doubt needs a ton of fixes and buffs

competetively this character is a joke

[gray gale]

Nah

If he's a joke, the enemy team is not laughing

He's just all about momentum

Jason's winning? He wins harder

Jason's losing? Bye bye forever

Cuz if you manage to take out a TnJ quickly from a stray convertion, even with their zoning, Jason has a big advantage

[devout burrow]

This character feels like

fine at worst into everything

[tranquil zinc]

i'll never play 1s again with jason this thing is painful

2s is where the fun is at

goddammit man playing agaisn't bugs and harleys every single time makes me want to remove my eyeballs with a fork

[west cloak]

He’s definitely bottom 5 in terms of viability, but he’s top 5 in terms of fun

[muted dove]

Who is in bottom 5with him

🤨

[west cloak]

He stands no chance in 1v1 against any zoner/mage like Bugs, T&J, Gizmo, etc and he gets destroyed by combo characters like Shaggy, Harley, Arya, Bugs again, etc

[west cloak]

Velma and Taz for sure

Velma is definitely bottom 1. They killed her

[muted dove]

Oh yea fs

Best tank rn in ur opinion then?

[west cloak]

Wonder Woman no contest

[muted dove]

Forgot WW is even a tank

[west cloak]

Assuming you don’t include the fact that Iron Giant has an infinite

That will likely get patched

[tranquil zinc]

i second this

[muted dove]

I feel like most tanks apart from ww and BA struggle with all these rn

Well BA included actually eh

Has a better chance against them then the rest at least

[west cloak]

Superman is still decent against a lot of them

[muted dove]

Oh wait BA not even a tank, nvm

Bro a bruiser

Uh then yea rest of the tank cast suffers against all of those u just named

[west cloak]

Yeah Black Adam is definitely closer to a tank with how heavy he is

There aren’t many tanks tbh

[muted dove]

Yea true but the fact they all suffer the same flaw says alot

Which is why they are usually mid->low on most ppls tier lists

[west cloak]

It’s only Jason, Superman, Iron Giant, and Wonder Woman

Iron Giant with his infinite is unironically top 1 according to most top players lmao

[muted dove]

It's so good it was banned in coinbox

Lolololol

[west cloak]

Yeah

And the fact that he can combo into his infinite from nair and sair is also messed up

But when the infinite gets removed, he’s gonna drop to like mid tier

[tranquil zinc]

ME AND THIS IRON GIANT JUST POPPED OFF HARD WTF

THE BULLY DUO

[west cloak]

Iron Giant is unironically really good in doubles

[tranquil zinc]

LMAO the bodybag is so hype on 2s i killed this banana guard with it standing at the top of the batman stage car

i even managed to get 2 at the same time inside

[west cloak]

Like even if he gets absolutely destroyed and comboed to death, it gives his partner all the time to do whatever they want

Jason is definitely better in 2v2

[tranquil zinc]

yeah it was exactly what happened when the other 2 were comboing him

they can either focus on iron giant but that would make them get absolutely bodied by me

[west cloak]

He’s a really good team combo finisher

And giving your teammate gray health is useful while you’re at high percent and any move would kill you anyway

Sleeping bag is also hilarious because you can hit the other opponent with the bag as a collateral attack and it’s actually pretty strong

[west cloak]

Garnet and Reindog are the other two in the bottom 5

This is all for 1v1 I should say

[muted dove]

Rn I just been enjoying BA and Iron giant

Not sure if I even wanna pick up Jason now

[west cloak]

You don’t play Jason because he’s good. You play Jason because he’s funny

[muted dove]

Think this is the part where I extend outside of these tank like character groups

[west cloak]

He’s like the Ganondorf of Multiversus

[muted dove]

Ganondorf of multiversus is sick work

What do u guys think of NAKATS jason?

[west cloak]

He’s definitely my second favorite character behind Shaggy

[west cloak]

It’s alright. His Gizmo and Wonder Woman are much better

[tranquil zinc]

honestly i wish

ganondorf seems much funnier

grabs that actually work and instant kill too

meh

[west cloak]

Jason definitely needs his air neutral special grab buffed

It should be like 10 frames faster on startup

It’s way too slow to be useful even if it does good damage and semi spikes off stage

[muted dove]

Unfort

[west cloak]

But like it “does good damage” in a game where Banana Guard deals more per hit with his buff, Shaggy, Bugs, Harley, Arya, and Wonder Woman deal more damage from a single combo that’s way safer to throw out starters for

[tranquil zinc]

i don't consider the bodybag good also

[muted dove]

It's funny how predictable Jason is movement wise

[tranquil zinc]

it's only up special and regular jab grab

[muted dove]

At first I thought that teleport was insane

[tranquil zinc]

if the bodybag and the air grab would be better jason would be so much better

[muted dove]

Now I'm just know exactly what to do qhen he does it

U can't even disrupt it which is nice

*can

[tranquil zinc]

like whatever his attacks having huge startups and endlag they hit hard enough just make these 2 grabs good

[tranquil zinc]

yeah this too

[muted dove]

It turns out teleporting exactly the opposite way of ur opponent has its flaws indeed

And u can get punished very easily for doing so

Or they can just dodge either way works

[west cloak]

Personally, I’m ok with Jason being a lower tiered character, but I think he needs a few buffs I’ll list here.

1. Reduce the startup of his air neutral special grab by like 10 frames or so

2. Give him more gray health when he uses grounded neutral special (10-30 gray health and sacrifices 5-15 damage)

3. Reduce the whiff lag on his sleeping bag by a noticeable amount because it’s way too risky to throw out

4. Fix the issue where if his teammate gives him gray health, he’s not immune to knockback unlike what his passive ability states

5. Make the resurrection perk last twice as long because it’s basically a joke currently. This would at least let him charge neutral special to move faster

[tranquil zinc]

the bodybag is not good. you can barely move to hit the other guy with it

[west cloak]

I think it’s fine to stay a gimmick move, but it shouldn’t be so laggy

It’s literally more optimal to let him whiff the move than it is to parry it

That’s how much lag it has on whiff

[tranquil zinc]

i would rather an actual useful move then

[west cloak]

Giving you more time to do stuff would probably be fine

[tranquil zinc]

i've played 10 matches of 2s so far and i've used it 2 times

even if it didn't had so much endlag i don't think the results would be different

[west cloak]

I never go for it in 2v2 because it’s just way too slow and laggy

[tranquil zinc]

you can use it guaranteed if you jab once

still horrid for damage

[west cloak]

Sure but it’s more worth it to just go for jab jab dtilt up special

Or jab jab utilt uair

Both do more damage

And don’t leave Jason vulnerable to be hit in 2v2 like holding an opponent in the bag does

[tranquil zinc]

yeah

[west cloak]

Actually, I think on top of the move having way less whiff lag, he should also be able to act sooner when he does put someone in the bag. And the collateral hit if it hits the other opponent should have way more kill power than it currently does to justify using it as an offensive tool

That way, you could do something like jab sleeping bag and then be able to immediately hit the other opponent trying to break their teammate free from the bag

[tranquil zinc]

oops it isn't guaranteed actually my enemies were just bad

[west cloak]

Did you test it in training mode?

With dodge after hitstun on

[tranquil zinc]

wait it works yeah my timing was just bad the first time

[west cloak]

Tbf the online delay + 30f buffer definitely makes it harder to input

They need to bring back the buffer settings. Idk why they removed them because we could change it in the beta

[tranquil zinc]

goddamn dude putting both players in the bodybag is so hype

maybe there is some crazy tech with it where you can send both enemies to the corner of the stage then your teammate can guarantee a kill by following it without the enemies being able to dodge

and that's why they made it so awful

the game crashed are you kidding me buh

[spiral pewter]

I mean that's not why they made it so awful, the reason's far simpler

@tranquil zinc

[tranquil zinc]

i'm here

[autumn walrus]

Happy pride month to all the jason mains

Ayo? Homophobic?

[tranquil zinc]

uuuuhm no

[autumn walrus]

U just said die u deleted it

[tranquil zinc]

i didn't

dunno what you're talking about

[autumn walrus]

Well imma tell the mods

U a certified Buster homie

[tranquil zinc]

well go ahead

[spiral pewter]

It's because the game is 2s oriented, and any move that takes an opponent out of the game for an amount of time, like completely and totally out, is broken. So it has to be hard to hit. That's the case for everything- Taz's chicken, Rick's Reindog transformer, Steven's bubble (this one needs nerfing tbh).

[autumn walrus]

Certified buster @tranquil zinc

[spiral pewter]

Actually by those metrics Jason's is the easiest to land

[autumn walrus]

I reported u

[tranquil zinc]

seems fair but jason can't even do stuff while he has someone at the bodybag

it just turns the game into a 1v1

[spiral pewter]

You DO know that bag is a kill tool right?

[tranquil zinc]

too slow for that imo

[spiral pewter]

Like... hitting the non-bagged enemy can kill them

Not when you have a teammate to lay you up into it

[autumn walrus]

Hes homophobic hes not smart

[spiral pewter]

'Not smart' is assuming that because someone doesn't want to celebrate an over virtue-signaled thing they're homophobic

Bi btw before you accuse me

[autumn walrus]

Considering he told them to die

[spiral pewter]

Now talk about Jason or get out

[autumn walrus]

Buster alert

[tough aspen]

Best we move on now please

It's dealt with and over

[spiral pewter]

Anyway yeah people need to stop sleeping on some of Jason's tools, he's strong for what he is

[autumn walrus]

Good looks thanks homie

[spiral pewter]

Especially in 2s

[autumn walrus]

Yea hes good in 2s i wreck him in 1s tho

[spiral pewter]

Who do you play?

[autumn walrus]

Harley, shaggy, lebron, WW

[spiral pewter]

Bad matchup for Jason, even matchup, positive matchup cause Lebron kinda sucks, bad matchup.

Fair spread

Probably not fighting good Jasons either

[autumn walrus]

I use lebron cuz hes the LeGoat

[queen juniper]

What perks yall use?

[autumn walrus]

Hes my hero, my pookie

[spiral pewter]

I use Lebron too

I think my point here

Is that no one knows a thing about this character like they say they do when they come in and berate his kit.

[autumn walrus]

Im hopin they add King Von 🙏 more real ppl

Or chief keef

[muted dove]

Ngl I watched nakats movement tutorials

Went t lab

To

Now Jason litearly never touches me

Lmaoo

[west cloak]

Yeah Jason is really easy to bait and whiff punish with good movement

In 1v1 at least

[devout burrow]

the jason player needs to have good movement yea

it turns out when you are better than movement than the enemy gamer then it becomes much more difficult for them to hit you

[tame cairn]

Man, whoever decided to give Jason smaller hitboxes on his jabs than the majority of the cast was high as hell

They really made this man the second biggest and slowest character and then gave him ass hitboxes on some of his most important moves lmao

[dull axle]

Imma be honest fellas, I feel like nearly all of Jason's moves are unsafe to just throw out. Like, anytime I play him, I feel like I really have to commit to every single move I do.

[hexed jacinth]

I mean, this is sort of how it's supposed to feel as a heavy character
but it's also too punishing right now

[ivory gust]

i think it depends completely on the map, Jasons too slow to play on an enclosed map, its too easy for him to just be hit around by other characters like taz or harley.

[muted dove]

Ngl Jason is cooked in maps with platforms

Really easy to Bait and punish

[tacit pivot]

True

With the axe grab is easy to grab them

[median geyser]

I think Jason just need some work honestly but his Side Attack is extremely slow

Plus the Neutral Air is the most useless move imo... while it's risk reward, it just isn't worth to use it due to how slow it takes time to grab

Down Special imo need some faster recoveries as well, it's slow as hell & Up Special is just overall better

[frank plover]

Does he have any jason specific glitches outside of trapping velma inside him lol

[balmy prairie]

up special is meant to be a way to distance yourself from characters who can easily outrange your other moves, while down special is meant to be a high risk high reward throw which sends opponents way further and in a downwards angle. It can be even more useful in 2v2 because you can use the bag to hit the other opponent for big damage

you usually don't want to be using down special outside of predicting the opponent dodging towards you or during a combo

but it's quite useful

[median geyser]

Down Special is good but it's just that its recovery is absolutely garbage

The worst recovery

[balmy prairie]

which is why you don't want to miss it

if you wanna hit it guaranteed you gotta do one jab first

you could do two jabs but the second one has less hitstun so they can dodge/parry out of it

[frank plover]

just dont miss lol

[balmy prairie]

exactly

[median geyser]

I get it but again I still want it to be fast recovery, coz how other missed moves still recovery like 3x faster than the Sleeping Bag is just weird

[balmy prairie]

honestly it makes sense

it punishes you for using moves carelessly

[median geyser]

That's kinda like saying you use Up Special but not that punishable too much

[balmy prairie]

up special doesn't have high reward

[median geyser]

I gonna use Sleeping Bag more to see how it goes

[median geyser]

It does have good setups for dealing dmg but I'm not too sure about combos either

[balmy prairie]

the only times where i use bag carelessly is when i'm trying to do down air special and end up mashing as i land

[balmy prairie]

so far the only combo i've seen was axe throw into up air special

and it's hard to hit since they can dodge it

i honestly only use axe throw for distancing

and for idiots offstage who don't know how to dodge lol

[median geyser]

Axe throw? You mean the uh Neutral?

[balmy prairie]

axe throw == grounded up special

just shorter to say

[median geyser]

Ah okay...

Holy fok

I can't even get a kill with Sleeping Bag at 120+

Yeah sleeping bag is garbage

[west cloak]

Sleeping bag is painfully bad because it’s really slow and absolutely death on whiff. And it doesn’t even do that much damage or kill that early to justify how slow it is

Let it sink in that it is more optimal for your opponent to dodge sleeping bad and punish the whiff lag than it is to parry the move

[tacit pivot]

Needs a buff

[dense sun]

Axe throw means special up on ground? Don't know notations, srry

[balmy prairie]

yeah because you use your axe to throw the opponent

[dense sun]

I use it when the opponent has armor or shield

[balmy prairie]

that's also viable

[dense sun]

And in the Rick and Morty stage, they never expect it when they are on the speakers

[visual sail]

I just hit this guy with triple up special into neutral smash while he was in burnout off stage

It was quite hilarious

[median geyser]

& there some people saying it's good but it isn't

Might be good in 2v2 but 1v1 no not at all

[median geyser]

It needs better knockback & better recovery... slow recovery makes no sense... even axe throw has way better recovery

[median geyser]

Yeah exactly...

[balmy prairie]

i find sleeping bag useful as it is

one of the easiest ways to just throw the opponent off stage without much effort

they're forced to recover from below since they're thrown downwards, and then i can just finish them off with down air or just down attack, maybe even up attack if they try to dodge into me

[median geyser]

Idk about down moves but their hitboxes are kinda wacky or it's just me

[median geyser]

Not really useful when you can't even kill in 120+ dmg which is ridiculous

[balmy prairie]

it's not meant to kill tho

[west cloak]

You’ll never land it without confirming from jab and even then people are starting to learn how to play around Jason jab because that’s his only real combo starter

[balmy prairie]

true tho

[west cloak]

Other than like I guess dtilt and utilt

But those are way more situational

[median geyser]

I'm just saying Bag need some works, coz it's very underwhelming & I think barely people used it including me...

[west cloak]

I agree

I don’t ever use it either

[balmy prairie]

out of his entire moveset i feel like neutral air special is the one that needs the bigger buff

[median geyser]

It does alongside with the Bag

[west cloak]

That one is also unusable

[median geyser]

Yeah

[west cloak]

Both of them are very underwhelming

[balmy prairie]

yeah but the bag at least hits if used right xD

[median geyser]

Exactly...

[balmy prairie]

neutral air special has such low range that it can't even land unless the opponent decides not to do any move

[median geyser]

Hits? Nah man... can't even kill at high dmg already is the problem

[balmy prairie]

for you

[west cloak]

Sair does more damage than air neutral b grab with more range and half the startup

And sair is already a slow move

[median geyser]

SAir is a'ight & fairly good move

[west cloak]

I know

[median geyser]

If you found it so useful when it dpesn't even kill at 120+ for rewarding then idk what to say

All of that work you put into, it just gone

[balmy prairie]

gives me offstage control

[west cloak]

Jason has like 3 good moves and they’re sair, grounded up b, and aerial down b

[median geyser]

I'd rather have confirmed kill other than offstage control

Or I can just use the fog to confirmed kill

[balmy prairie]

which is so dumb btw

[west cloak]

Oh I guess mist is also good

[balmy prairie]

why does a bit of mist deal so much knockback

[west cloak]

Because it’s funny

[median geyser]

That's my question too

[balmy prairie]

makes your opponents cough to death

[median geyser]

Also

Fog doesn't even get rid of rage

You can continuously enter fog with the rage of yours

[west cloak]

Rage itself needs a buff

[balmy prairie]

but rage doesn't buff mist damage, does it?

[balmy prairie]

are you nuts

no it does not

rage is super good as it is

[median geyser]

Don't think so but yeah you can use fog while in rage till it runs out

[balmy prairie]

not in terms of damage but the grey health part pretty much guarantees you can approach without any punishment

[west cloak]

There are too many characters that can either deal more than 20% with a single hit or have armor breaking moves that just make rage useless

[balmy prairie]

then just

don't get hit by big moves

[west cloak]

Bro some of these moves are not big moves

[balmy prairie]

the point of the grey health is for projectiles or to win clashes with opponent's jabs or combo starters

you have a dodge button just use it

[west cloak]

And others are like Banana Guard side b which are so active that you physically cannot dodge through it

[balmy prairie]

well you couldn't have picked a worse example

[median geyser]

Other typical characters that have spinning like attacks are horrendous against Jason

[balmy prairie]

banana guard simply counters jason in every situation

[median geyser]

Taz is damn annoying as well

[balmy prairie]

nah at least taz gets outranged

[west cloak]

I was gonna say Taz nair does 32 damage lmao

[median geyser]

Banana Guard spams dash attack a lot

I mean Ss

[balmy prairie]

not just dash, literally all of banana guard's moves have more range than jason's and he can defend in any angle

[median geyser]

I mean that's true... & you can't determine the matchup well

Jason doesn't have good matchups

Most of the fast attacks can easily body him

I've problems with Finn as well

[balmy prairie]

yeah but you can counter projectile users if you bring the Momentum perk, usually that's a winning matchup for jason

[median geyser]

Remind me of that perk

[balmy prairie]

walk in a direction for 0.5 seconds and you ignore all projectiles

as in you dodge them all and they get destroyed

[median geyser]

Hmm

Seems a'ight ig...

[west cloak]

Nah bro that perk is good but it’s not enough for Jason to win against characters like Gizmo, T&J, Marvin, etc who on top of good projectiles also have really good ground and air normals

[balmy prairie]

the only projectile that doesn't get destroyed is harley's doll, it still sticks to you but the explosion won't work if the shield is still up

[west cloak]

Like it definitely makes the matchup closer, but there’s no way Jason wins

At least in higher levels of play

[balmy prairie]

first of all marvin sucks
TnJ also gets rekt if you just kill the jerry
gizmo i can't really say since i haven't seen that many (good ones at least) but axe throw still outranges most stuff

[west cloak]

Jason kinda farms at low level

[median geyser]

I can agree Jason sucks at high lv, even in Casuals

I wonder how he'll be in ranked

[west cloak]

Nah bro Marvin is good. It’s just that he’s rare to see and most of his playerbase just spams. I’ve played one good Marvin and they’ve changed my opinion on the character

[median geyser]

Also is the double air pokes any good?

[balmy prairie]

yeah

[median geyser]

Or the cleave is better?

[balmy prairie]

the second air poke deals big knockback

[west cloak]

Uair is generally better because it’s faster

You can actually combo into it

[median geyser]

What?

[west cloak]

Jason has no true combos into his aerial up b

[median geyser]

Oh I thought they were the same

[balmy prairie]

no the first one just has a bit more hitstun

the second one is the one with the knockback

[median geyser]

How is it different compare to the characters that just hae singular attack

[balmy prairie]

for example if the enemy is at high % the first poke will usually not kill but the second one definitely does

[median geyser]

Got it...

[west cloak]

Uair = up air aka the two upwards stabs

[balmy prairie]

if you want a singular hit just go for up air special ig

but i believe the up air does have a tiny bit more knockback if it hits

[west cloak]

The second hit can also sometimes catch dodges

[median geyser]

Nah I'm just asking coz most characters have singular Uair

[west cloak]

I’ve caught a few and gotten some early kills

[balmy prairie]

oh another thing with up air is that it tends to outrange most down airs

[median geyser]

Outrange?

[balmy prairie]

since your hitbox is far from the damage source

yeah, for example banana guard comes slamming with his butt

but your knife hits him before he hits you

[median geyser]

Oh...

[west cloak]

Jason has really good upwards range in general

[balmy prairie]

true

[median geyser]

His up airs are good I agree

[balmy prairie]

up special doesn't have the same effect since jason moves upwards and can end up touching the damage hitbox

[west cloak]

I kinda wish his hand didn’t have a hurtbox tho

I’ve traded using moves like his sair because people hit his hand

[balmy prairie]

i wish the BED didn't have a hurtbox

[median geyser]

The punch is kinda wacky so I mostly use down special air

[balmy prairie]

like how does jason get hurt when someone pokes his bed

makes no sense

"OW! my wood!"

[west cloak]

No I mean his hand in general has a hurtbox

You can hit his hand and it leads to some jarring interactions

[median geyser]

His hand? What? You mean the down punch or something?

[west cloak]

No I mean just his hand

During any move

[median geyser]

...

[west cloak]

You can hit it and Jason gets hit

[median geyser]

Bruh

That seems...

Idk how to describe it

[west cloak]

Yeah and because Jason sticks out his hand really far with a lot of his moves, he’s really prone to getting trades and losing his advantage

Contrast that to someone like Banana Guard who has his hands near his sides while holding the spear for most attacks

So the spear is all disjoint

[median geyser]

Most of the time when I play Jason, I get frustrated due to his wacky hitboxes & mostly lose when me & the opponent clashes

[balmy prairie]

that's what the grey health is for

[median geyser]

& they aren't always available while the spear is fully available, noice

[west cloak]

They also need to fix the bug in 2v2 where it if Jason’s teammate gives him gray health, Jason doesn’t get armor unlike what his passive ability description says

[median geyser]

I don't play 2v2 much so idk about that

[west cloak]

It’s annoying because Jason should be noticeably better with any gray health team comp

[balmy prairie]

jason is kinda satisfying in 2v2

[west cloak]

But he isn’t because of that

[west cloak]

Finishing team combos with Jason’s strong moves is satisfying

[median geyser]

Also is any better usage for the Z Stomp?

[west cloak]

Is that the grounded down attack stomp?

[median geyser]

Yes

The Stomp kick

I'm surprised it doesn't break armor

[west cloak]

It’s good in combos out if jab and it’s decent at the ledge

[median geyser]

Despite it's shown in trailer that it's capable of breaking armor

[west cloak]

Jason has no armor breaking moves

It’s a really big issue he has

[balmy prairie]

wdym? stomp breaks armor

[west cloak]

You need to run the dash attack perk

[balmy prairie]

it's purple when you're charging it

[median geyser]

In the trailer, it's shown his stomp is able to break armor, but for some reason it doesn't

[west cloak]

Does it?

[median geyser]

No it isn't

[balmy prairie]

?????

it is?

[median geyser]

Where?

I don't see the purple

[west cloak]

I never saw purple on that move

Shaggy’s stomp has purple

[balmy prairie]

i shall screenshot

[median geyser]

No screenshot here btw

[west cloak]

Use Streamable or something and post a link here

[median geyser]

Someone record that... not ingame currently

It's also shown clearly in description

No armor breaking move

[west cloak]

Jason’s only armor breaking moves are his grabs

And only grounded up special is good at doing that

But if he misses, it’s very whiff punishable by most characters

[median geyser]

Which grabs? Like all four of them?

[west cloak]

Yeah

Grabs universally break armor

[jade current]

Yoyoyo. I made this video last night becuase I found something interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTkkSRP9Q1k

[west cloak]

But two of Jason’s grabs are straight up unusable

The other is from jab 3

[median geyser]

Which is Bag & Neutral Air

[west cloak]

Grounded down special (sleeping bag) and aerial neutral special (air grab)

[median geyser]

Yes those

[west cloak]

I do wanna say tho that I don’t think Jason should be a top tier or anything

[balmy prairie]

just tested with steven, yeah apparently there's no purple but it still broke his armor and knocked him back

[median geyser]

What...

[west cloak]

Because top tier competitive Jason would be an absolute menace in casual matches

[median geyser]

I wanna see a video of him though

[west cloak]

Oh that’s strange

[median geyser]

In trailer, it's clearly purple so yeah idk what happened either

[balmy prairie]

lmao what
that's insane

[west cloak]

When I say top tier I mean if Jason was buffed to be a top tier like Wonder Woman, Harley, Iron Giant (with his infinite), etc

[median geyser]

I think other tanks are just better than him

[west cloak]

I’ve seen this before actually. It’s really funny if it happens but like that needs to get fixed lol

[west cloak]

They are

Jason is the worst tank

But he’s still fun

[median geyser]

Need buffs = More fun

[west cloak]

Ganondorf is the worst Smash character, but he’s one of the most fun characters in the game

It’s a similar story for Jason

[fading vapor]

Anyone have any advice on how to survive against harely in this game? I literally can't even touch the b*tch

[median geyser]

Worst matchup vs Jason

[balmy prairie]

projectile shield helps dealing with her stuff, other than that just look out for her glove

[balmy prairie]

harley is by far NOT the worst matchup lmao

[fading vapor]

She's too fast 😭

[median geyser]

Assassin right? For you

Assassins are way better than Tanks

[balmy prairie]

the thing with harley is avoiding her jab combo, she can't do much outside of that

usually the axe throw keeps her away

there's also her glove but it's easy to dodge that one

[fading vapor]

I keep getting caught by her little slide kick and can't jump in time to avoid it.

[balmy prairie]

if you need better reaction time then, either axe throw or start predicting her slides

[median geyser]

Also Air Neutral Axe is a'ight?

[balmy prairie]

it's good for cancelling opposing combos

[median geyser]

A'ight...

[balmy prairie]

doesn't deal much damage but the hitbox reaches far enough to stop things like TnJ or bugs

[west cloak]

What matchup do you think is Jason’s worst?

[median geyser]

Yeah right...

[median geyser]

Banana Guard

[balmy prairie]

banana guard

[median geyser]

Finn as well

[balmy prairie]

finn is alright

[west cloak]

Actually yeah that makes sense lol

[balmy prairie]

just a matter of dodging his moves

[fading vapor]

Everyones worst match up is banana guard from what I hear

[west cloak]

Banana Guard just outranges Jason in every way

[median geyser]

No it's Harley

[median geyser]

It's Harley

[balmy prairie]

harley is great but it's not the global counter

[west cloak]

And Jason is too slow to stop Banana Guard from charging up his buff

[balmy prairie]

banana guard is the threat atm

[fading vapor]

Screw em both far as I'm concerned

[median geyser]

List out all needed buffs for Jason at the moment

[balmy prairie]

fr

[west cloak]

Who does Jason actually win against?

[balmy prairie]

shaggy

[west cloak]

Velma and like who else?

Oh hell no

[balmy prairie]

yeah velma, reindog

marvin and black adam

[west cloak]

As a Shaggy and Jason player, Shaggy destroys Jason no contest

And I’m not talking about the scrubby kick spammers

[median geyser]

Yeah I got destroyed by Shaggy many times

All these Yoinks kick

[balmy prairie]

with the 2fast2block perk, jason's dash counters shaggy's powered specials

[west cloak]

I’m talking about the ones like me who can consistently 0-80 Jason and whiff punish

[fading vapor]

I try to bait out Shaggy's kick and punish it

[median geyser]

...

I need a full Perks set for matchups

[west cloak]

If a Shaggy is spamming rage specials, he’s probably not a good player

[fading vapor]

So whats the best perk set for Jason. Maybe i'm messing up there

[median geyser]

Only time you use rage is I think after ringout

[west cloak]

If he’s using movement, dash jabs, whiff punishing with dash jump dair, and getting at least 40 damage out of a combo, then he’s a good player

[balmy prairie]

i tend to run snowball, last stand and pugilist as the base perks, then depending on the matchup i swap snowball for projectile shield against spammers and zoners, or i swap last stand with 2fast2block against characters with armor such as wonderwoman, superman or garnet (shaggy too)

[west cloak]

This seems generally true for every melee based character and I do the same

[balmy prairie]

as for signature perks the best one is Well Rounded, tho i personally prefer the Mist one for combos and recovery but that's just my playstyle, i can agree that well rounded is the best one of the three

but ressurectionist is quite disappointing ngl

[west cloak]

I liked using resurrectionist because it was funny on like day 1-3 when people didn’t know to camp Jason until he dies

[median geyser]

Idk what buffs needed for it

[west cloak]

But now people know

So I run the 5% perk

[west cloak]

It needs to last at least twice as long

[balmy prairie]

the thing with ressurectionist is that you can either counter it by camping jason or just by hitting him again, since you retain your %

[median geyser]

& i think it should be available for all ringouts

[west cloak]

That would at least give Jason time to charge his buff and have a decent shot at actually reaching his opponent

[balmy prairie]

he should respawn on EVERY ko with rage

[median geyser]

Yuh

[west cloak]

Maybe it should also heal him a bit

[balmy prairie]

yeah either have him ressurect with rage or have it last longer

[median geyser]

Both tbh

[balmy prairie]

nah, what's the point in healing if you're just gonna die either way

[west cloak]

I’d say resurrection with rage would be the move to buff that perk

[balmy prairie]

i'd rather get grey health than heals

[quiet sorrel]

Best perks?

[crystal timber]

Idk if it’s just me but I think the buff move should be on first hit landed or grey health depleted. Body bag needs a buff extremely inconsistent. Air grab is cheeks and he should have atleast one armor move. What I’ve noticed is the most fun things to do with Jason you can’t do.

Is there a streamer maining Jason?

[slender arrow]

Jason is crazy fun Ki Ki Ki Ma Ma Ma.😁

[loud aurora]

aintnoway i went here looking for combos or tips and the channel is just dunkin on jason and asking for buffs

[stoic meteor]

If I'm in a 1v1 vs Wonder Woman, what can I do if she shields? Seems like most of her moves are strong enough to break my grey health & all my moves are too slow to break her shield and not immediately get hard punished

[tacit pivot]

Mistwalker, snowball, speed force and pugglist is my current build

And if the enemy has ranged attack change that for that perk what gives u shield against it.

[loud aurora]

also am i correct in assuming

both signatures are bad and we take the 5%

[spiral pewter]

Depends on who you ask

And if you're trying to do 2s or 1s I suppose

[tacit pivot]

Mistwalker is bad but i learned to get advantage from it.

And how to correctly teleport

[spiral pewter]

Mistwalker is super predictable and ruins his best recovery tool, but it has funny advantage states from it

[tacit pivot]

Yes.

Its really funny

[spiral pewter]

Resurrectionist really only has a use in 2s with a good partner

But Well-Rounded is a good sig in general

Frankly speaking about half the characters do better with Well-Rounded than they do a personal sig

[turbid lichen]

every channel is just "this character so cool/bad/quirky xd"

[tacit pivot]

Sadly yes.

[spiral pewter]

Low percent combo is Nair-> jab jab -> d tilt or side b

He doesn't really have combos

He just has advantage States that you can string from

[loud aurora]

yea fair enough, so far i only really saw 2 jabs down tilt into ground up special on low %

[potent wraith]

I ain’t gonna lie his super armor can help you get free combos or kill

[ocean vale]

his armor works in some form of cluth

clutch

but the damn 10 to 20 damage self damage is a lil extreme

i get he's chunky but come on, after certain percentages u get lunched like a rocket

[elfin fossil]

Yup

[lyric star]

Man, I just fought against a jake, he really shuts Jason down doesn't he ?

[tender ravine]

Everybody just shuts Jason down and it really pisses me off

[lyric star]

I'm not even a jason main, I just play him to get levels

[tender ravine]

I main him and banana guard

I thing nanna guard is funny

[lyric star]

I think he's a war criminal

[elfin fossil]

I've not noticed

[tender ravine]

Oh he for sure is

[lyric star]

I mean, the skate really messed me up

And the long range

[tender ravine]

When playing Jason the one thing I hate is either playing against a Harley or a WW

Harley just pisses me off man

[lyric star]

Oh, so the matchups aren't that different, I'm a black adam main and those two are annoying AF

[tender ravine]

My brotha

I wish there was a way to turn off cross play so I don't have to go against pc players

[lyric star]

Tho harley can be fun to play against sometimes

[tender ravine]

They have such a huge advantage

[tender ravine]

If they're not on pc then yea

[lyric star]

The thing I don't like about harley is how safe she is

[tender ravine]

?

[elfin fossil]

WW is atrocious. Harley doesn't feel as bad but I get ya, it feels like Everytime I hit her first it's actually a trade and I get to go find myself in the alps

[tender ravine]

I'll usually just set my controller down and let it play out

She needs a nerf so bad

Everyone else is pretty balanced

The bugs bunny glitch needs to be fixed as well

[lyric star]

Her slide makes it basically impossible to hit her on the ground, her side special is basically adam's but better, down air makes it hard to go below her, up special makes it hard to go above her, ETC

[tender ravine]

Ah

If you can hit an up special with Jason and just keep the combo going it's not bad it's just hard to keep the combo going

[lyric star]

Also, black adam requires to know where characters will be and punish them for it, but most of the times harley is basically impossible to punish bc she is always moving

[tender ravine]

Trueeeeeeeee

I don't like that almost every character has a teleport in their kit

[elfin fossil]

Oh yeah, all of Jason's up moves are great.

Crunch Time is strong and one of his few actually combo-able moves
From Below can catch people out, counter edge guard, and deals good damage
Up air special has insane knockback and decent mobility
And even up ground special is decently fast

[elfin fossil]

It's fine, I just wish they gave Jason dodge frames on exit. As it is, it's mostly a "Give the opponent a free hit" maneuver for him

[tender ravine]

His set is very balanced and fun I feel like and there's definitely some clunk here and there but it's pretty decent

[tender ravine]

Tell me about it lmao

[quiet fractal]

Batman match up is tough for me, any tips specifically for getting in on him / not getting hit by the grapple. All batmans have essentially been zoning me and out boxing me. gracias

[elfin fossil]

Try using jumping Nair, and Mist Step

[quiet fractal]

gotcha thanks

[elfin fossil]

I think Dexter's stage no hazard is a good stage for Jason.

Was playing with another Jason against a Joker and Morty. We went from struggling and trying to keep up, to, when on the Dexter stage, demolishing them.

No room to maneuver means if you focus one, the other gets you. No where to run no where to hide.

[balmy prairie]

i don't know about 2v2s but in solos i suck in Dexter's Lab

whenever i mist i keep getting stuck on the platforms

[winged furnace]

Nope. I suffer anytime I use him in 1's lol

[elfin fossil]

S.Norm>S.Norm>Up.Norm>Jump>AUp.Norm

Generally S.Norm>S.Norm can combo into a large chunk of the moveset Jason has

[west cloak]

I’m mixed on that stage. On one hand, the side blast zones are really short allowing Jason to kill really early and since he has good up attacks, he can cover the bottom platforms pretty effectively. But on the other hand, the ceiling is really high meaning he won’t kill off the top that easily and his slow momentum combined with the top platforms being so high means that he’s really prone to getting camped out

[winged furnace]

I have yet to play on the conveyor stage

[west cloak]

Dexters 1 is not a good stage

For anyone

Everyone loses on that stage

The only funny thing is killing people at literally zero by cheesing near the moving blast zones

[tender ravine]

It sucks so bad

[west cloak]

I haven’t seen the stage for quite a while, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they outright removed it from rotation

[tender ravine]

I hope they do

[elfin fossil]

They did, now there's only the small one that I rocked with Jason on

[winged furnace]

I thought it was a custom lobby only stage

[elfin fossil]

Honestly I love Dexter's 1, it's so fun, I love obstacle course style maps like that

[winged furnace]

You'd have a blast with Bonkio then lol. Fun game.

[tender ravine]

It's really really laggy

[tender ravine]

It's not just me I get a solid 200mbs when I'm wired so I know it's the game and not me

[winged furnace]

I love how there's not much to talk about with Jason so we're talking about stages in his chat lol

[tender ravine]

Because I don't think there's a single bad thing you could say about Jason excerpt that he's slow

[winged furnace]

fr. I just suck with him and I need more practice punishing others.

[tender ravine]

Just hit up special and do whatever you want from there

[winged furnace]

I run into attacks bc I mistime them

[tender ravine]

I see I see

[elfin fossil]

Honestly people exaggerate his downsides because of it.

[winged furnace]

ikr. It's not a good look on a new character. Some people just suck with him.

[tender ravine]

I don't notice it half the time but I will when I want to blame me sucking at the the game on something else

[tender ravine]

I don't know how he's so easy to play tbh

[winged furnace]

What do you guys think of a free for all mode in online queue?

[tender ravine]

Would love to see that in place of 2v2

2v2 just doesn't work I'm afraid

[winged furnace]

I'm tired of my partners walking off-stage

[tender ravine]

I tired of being juggled by the same 2 attacks

[elfin fossil]

I think part of it is people are used to much faster characters, but he's new and from the battle pass so they try him and have no idea how to handle a character that isn't zippy

[winged furnace]

It works well if your partner isn't just running off-stage

[tender ravine]

LMAO I like Jason's more hey if you mess up it's over and there's no return type play style

[winged furnace]

Harley, Bugs, and Batman...

[tender ravine]

WW

Don't forget her

[west cloak]

Sleeping bag and air neutral special grab are way too slow to justify using them at all, but I guess that still falls under the “too slow” argument

[winged furnace]

Also I'm confused. Why is jason counting as human in the tags?

[tender ravine]

Nah bro I actually get dudes with the bag but it has to be perfect timing

[tender ravine]

Because he is

[elfin fossil]

I may be slow but god won't be able to help you if I catch you lacking

A fully charged axe slam is basically a "Teleport Foe to Brazil" button

[west cloak]

Because he is human

[tender ravine]

Damn right

[elfin fossil]

He might be an undead revenant, but that means he was human once.

[winged furnace]

He's a zombie though.

[elfin fossil]

And before that he was?

I rest my case

[tender ravine]

Jason is sorry was a human child who drowned at the bottom of the lake and his mother died he go resurrected and turned into a zombie and has super natural powers bestowed upon him by the forces of evil

[west cloak]

Zombie isn’t a species. It’s a state of living

[winged furnace]

When he was human he didn't wear the hockey mask. He had a sack over his head.

[tender ravine]

Dude can you please not

[tender ravine]

Correct the hockey mask was given to him by some scum bag in part 6

[elfin fossil]

1. That's be a good skin
2. Yeah, but he's still the Zombie of a human, not a non-human.

[winged furnace]

He's non-human if a zombie. That's like saying a ghost is human.

[tender ravine]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jason from Jason takes manhattan as a skin

[tender ravine]

Dude he's human

If you die and resurrect your still human

[winged furnace]

If they don't add a zombified jason as a skin (apart from jason x), it'll be a crime.

[tender ravine]

The Jason X skin isn't even good

I'm so pissed

[winged furnace]

I like it

[elfin fossil]

Bite yer tongue! I'm happy to have it

[balmy prairie]

screw skins, we need a california girls emote for jason

[tender ravine]

I just feel they could've dont more with the black side

[elfin fossil]

Same

[tender ravine]

I never said I wasn't happy to have I'm just saying it could have a bit more detail is all

[tender ravine]

Thank you

[elfin fossil]

That's fair

[winged furnace]

They put the horizontal tag on Jason X skin but not on the default variant...

[tender ravine]

Yes they did

Check again

Lmao

[winged furnace]

No they didnt

[elfin fossil]

The irony being that Jason is, at least in my experience, better at being vertical simply because his Up moves are so good.