Wonder Woman

[lilac cosmos]

Since IG doesn't exist rn

Actually she's first she's tied with Gizmo

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/insights?mode=2

Same in 2s

Busted ass character

[candid depot]

Harley and Bugs being lower tier has to be because more people are playing them

that cant be right

[bitter obsidian]

😭

[lilac cosmos]

That's not a tier list, per se

[bitter obsidian]

Nope WW is just broken

[lilac cosmos]

They're just tossed into random tiers based on WR

[bitter obsidian]

Ww is literally a bugs hard counter

[lilac cosmos]

WW is busted rn though so she has the highest WR in the game

[candid depot]

Im not disputing that but that list gotta be based off something

[lilac cosmos]

Yeah, it's based off character win rate

How often the character wins

WW is also up there as the THIRD most played character, behind Shaggy in second and Bugs in first

[bitter obsidian]

And Bugs and Harley are harder to use

[lilac cosmos]

Harley is only the fifth most played

Nvm I'm insane

In 1s Harley is the most played

WW is 4th

[sturdy citrus]

why aren't you complaining about gizmo rn

[lilac cosmos]

But still

[lilac cosmos]

Because I don't fight Gizmo every single match

WW needs to be gutted

So does Gizmo

[bitter obsidian]

Gizmo a ghost

[sturdy citrus]

I don't even see WW online that often

[bitter obsidian]

For every 100 wws I see 1 gizmo

[lilac cosmos]

I see her every single match, with an occasional Harley and Bugs sprinkled in from time to time

[bitter obsidian]

And Gizmo actually takes some skill to be good at

[sturdy citrus]

can't share picks but her usage rates don't even put her in top 3 lmao

the actual numbers don't even back up your claim

if you play against ww so much you should know the counterplay by now

[candid depot]

Funny enough I have only played against like 2 WW players

[sturdy citrus]

stop crying and get good

[candid depot]

Iv seen a million Bugs, Harley, abd Shaggy\

[lilac cosmos]

Or the character with the highest win rate in the game should get nerfed 🤔

[bitter obsidian]

It's ok we just gotta wait until the first real balance patch

[lilac cosmos]

Yeah because PFG is notorious for their good balancing 🙄

[sturdy citrus]

gizmo has a higher WR and so does BG in teams

[lilac cosmos]

No he doesn't

[sturdy citrus]

and ranked isn't even a thing so I don't even know why we're even considering using unranked data

[bitter obsidian]

Because that's all we have rn

[lilac cosmos]

Wonder Woman and Banana Guard both have a 55.2% win rate, Gizmo has a 55.1% win rate

[sturdy citrus]

yes he does 💀

[lilac cosmos]

Nearly identical

[sturdy citrus]

I said in teams

[lilac cosmos]

But WW is still higher

Yeah

In teams

WW has the highest WR

[sturdy citrus]

WW's 1v1 WR isn't even that much higher than those below her

[lilac cosmos]

Iron Giant 58.6% (vaulted)
BananaGuard 55.2%
Wonder Woman 55.2%
Gizmo 55.1%
Reindog 54.3%

[gilded dragon]

Marvin

[sturdy citrus]

Yeah it's technically higher at 56.8 but when 7 places down its still 51.7 saying "high Winrate pls nerf" isn't a valid reason

[bitter obsidian]

Chad

[bitter obsidian]

Yeah she will get nerfed for that reason of many

[sturdy citrus]

thats a really stupid reason lol

[bitter obsidian]

That's just one of a few

[sturdy citrus]

that'd not even a reason

literally the entire roster is like within 15% of eachother

if WW's winrate was like 65 or 70 maybe you would have a leg to stand on

but it's literally 56%... not even 60 🤣

[bitter obsidian]

Not really

You don't need 60% to be op

[lilac cosmos]

Or we could just nerf her because everyone aside from WW mains agree she's S tier and the best character in the game rn

[meager otter]

Looking at a character from her moveset and abilities is more reliable than “bigger wr = better char”

[sturdy citrus]

^

[meager otter]

They can correlate but it’s not consistent

[nova apex]

i dont think the winrate matters bud

the character is broken beyond belief

she has so many armor moves

her hitboxes are giant

[bitter obsidian]

Even HungryBox himself and other pros have listed WW as the #1 S tier character in the game rn

[sturdy citrus]

I'm literally trying to say the Winrates don't matter did you read anything

and she has 2 armour moves, one which you really shouldn't be getting hit by

[nova apex]

are you arguing against ww nerfs

[lilac cosmos]

Well she's currently one of the easiest characters to pick up and play, has a strong ladder combo, pretty sure she has a loop or two, has some of the highest kill power in the game, all her hitboxes are massive and safe, they're all very fast, and she is immune to projectiles

[meager otter]

I’m agreeing with you

Lmao

[nova apex]

if u think ww doesnt need a nerf u either main her or never fought a good ww user

[meager otter]

Just saying win rate isn’t very relevant

[bitter obsidian]

Sounds like it's the first one for Pownith

Same with Jolo

Her mains don't want her nerfed and keep coping

[sturdy citrus]

ww needs a nerf but the things yall complain about aren't even the busted things lmao

[nova apex]

the swing move is super annoying

[bitter obsidian]

Idk I've complained about 5 second shield, hyper armor, projectile destruction on multiple abilities

[nova apex]

it does hella damage too

[bitter obsidian]

No one can name me a single fighter where someone has hyper armor for 5 whole seconds

That's unheard of

[lilac cosmos]

How it feels to list all the busted things about WW and then be told those aren't the busted things about WW (apparently she's even more broken than I first thought)

[nova apex]

not to mention i use tom and jerry and her entire kit one shots jerry

so playing against her is a hard counter for me

[meager otter]

I can never close the gap against her when I’m playing stripe but might just be an issue with stripe

[sturdy citrus]

lmao tj doesn't get to play the game

[meager otter]

Although it felt the same on Harley who I played for a couple days

[nova apex]

harley users just spam their down attack and the hammer and hope for the best

[meager otter]

Yeah it was felt even worse using Harley against her but I’m not that much of a Harley player anymore

So maybe I just sucked

[lilac cosmos]

Good Jerry deserves it

Stupid rat

[nova apex]

awesome rat

hes bailed me out of combos so many times with that bottle cap

[sturdy citrus]

when I play Harley I stick the bat bomb onto my teammates Jerry and watch him kamikaze the enemy team

[gaunt kestrel]

anyone got a link to ww discord

[lilac cosmos]

Idiot stupid rat

[autumn prism]

Velma mains:

[lilac cosmos]

Velma still has players and Velma has always had one of the lowest pick rates in the game

[sturdy citrus]

Velma was already a mid tier at best

but they absolutely ruined her in the relaunch

[lilac cosmos]

No you don't get it in 2s she could occasionally use a laser that would occasionally deal significant knockback, on occasion

Meaning she was the best character in the game and needed to be gutted

But don't forget, they buffed Shaggy! (and nerfed him in some ways but mostly buffed)

[autumn prism]

2a velma*

2s

1s Velma a meme

[sturdy citrus]

was referring to 1s

[sturdy citrus]

they literally made shaggy neutral into just "mash side b"

[lilac cosmos]

Nah his neutral still exists in other ways but that's definitely what they're going for

His side b does what, 15 damage?

And it sends you half way across the map

I wish they just left him how he was in the beta

He was fine back then

A little overtuned in some aspects but you can always nerf those a bit, like up b kill power

[sturdy citrus]

they need to turn up the kbg but lower the bkb so it doesn't combo into itself

same for ww

ladder combos are fine but you shouldn't be able to get consistent stuff off of utilt or dair into kills at 20-40

I'm not trying to play smash 4

[lilac cosmos]

KBG? BKB?

[meager otter]

My exact reaction

wtf do those terms mean

[sturdy citrus]

knock back growth (how the moves kill power scales with percent) vs base knock back (the amount of knockback the move does with zero)

higher knockback growth essentially means the move doesn't combo as well because it will send further

[cerulean creek]

Sticking with her regardless

Unrelated but Double WW is without a doubt the best team composition by far and it feels genuinely unfair.

[lilac cosmos]

She is just an unfair character in general

[cerulean creek]

She has counter play

You just need to be better than your opponent

[lilac cosmos]

The counter play is skill diffing your opponent by such a large margin that to them it looks like you're cheating and even then it's still a hard fought battle

[cerulean creek]

Yea pretty much

The only flaw is that most people who play her are stupid

So if you know how her bs works then you should be able to win

[lilac cosmos]

And they still win with ease because she's like the third heaviest in the game and kills at some of the earliest percentages out of anyone in the game

[sturdy citrus]

lmao if yall are still getting laddered thats a skill issue and a half

90% of the setups aren't true on di up

even more if you di out

[sturdy citrus]

yeah okay double WW actually needs to be banned

[lilac cosmos]

When even the WW downplayer is saying it's bad you know it's real 😔

[sturdy citrus]

idk if its because low mmr or what but my friend and i are curb stomping rn

[sturdy citrus]

its so op only time we "lose" is when someone disconnects

[bitter obsidian]

😂😭

Next we will see Jolo say ww needs nerfs

[autumn prism]

There was lime 16 wws in a tourney

Like

If this doesn't yell meta defining idk what will gah damn

Well most importantly majority of em made it high

Forgot which tourney tho but felt like ww was in every comp atp lmao

[obsidian ermine]

#clips message

[rare wraith]

True or not she still does some impressive DMG per interaction and has a lot of freeform other characters simply don't have even when playing super clean and optimal

If we put ww in a vacuum sure but man she sure is oppressive whilst also having so much uptime on armor

She also has a crazy amount of options to lead into mostly consistent kill routes it's kinda hard to keep up with a lot of the cast

[shrewd fiber]

the lasso nerf made me realise I never use the lasso lol

[rare wraith]

Lmao

[sturdy citrus]

anyone of you down to a ft5?

im a jason player, would love some mu experience as this mu feels really tough to me

[midnight vine]

you'll never see it i don't play doubles only singles lol

[lilac cosmos]

Jolo downplays WW more than I downplayed Shaggy in the beta his ass will NEVER say WW needs nerfs

[lilac cosmos]

There is no skill based match making

[midnight vine]

huh i already said she was getting a nerf i said he's never going to be bad

hit kit is too good

he was always good the fact that you can't infinitely dodge

is the reason why he's so good now

cause you actually have to fight now

but anyway they already did the nerf i expected

which is the c/d lasso

[lilac cosmos]

Mf sent 4 separate messages referring to WW as a he/him 😭

[midnight vine]

i'm pretty sure she'd stay like this

lol

[lilac cosmos]

But whatever WW isn't getting nerfed any time soon so you ladies have fun

[midnight vine]

breh why are you so mad

i mean it's just facts man he's not as broken as you think he is

idk on doubles

[lilac cosmos]

Widely considered S tier in 1s unfortunately

[midnight vine]

yeah 100% s tier i never denied that

but what i'm pointing out is she's not far off from the other s tier character

[lilac cosmos]

The S tiers gotta get nerfed to at least A but thats never gonna happen because the devs play her and NAKAT is an idiot

[midnight vine]

why do you think nakat cares? he can't even join tourneys anymore

it's just how she sees the game

this happened in sfiv into sfv

when combofiend joined the dev team

and made the game more combo heavy

it's just a perspective on how they see the game

[sturdy citrus]

why cant he btw

did i miss anything

[midnight vine]

cause he's part of the dev team he can't join official tourneys

[sturdy citrus]

eh fair enough i suppose

kinda sucks for him tho considering he is quite competitive

[midnight vine]

bro got paid and made a game that he loves don't feel bad for him lol

majority of fgc players are not getting paid to play a fighting game

like i remember on sfiv which was the biggest game at the time

1st price got 20k

comparing to that games like dota they are getting millions

point is it's not worth it's all accolades

unless you market yourself and start streaming of course

[cerulean creek]

LMAO YOU SEE??

[autumn prism]

+got 50 bands

Bro chilling

[sturdy citrus]

yes there is lmao

unranked has sbmm its just a lot loser than a ranked mode will be

[lilac cosmos]

No there isn't

[sturdy citrus]

there literally is 💀

[lilac cosmos]

Nope

[midnight vine]

any pc gamers?

any controller recommendation?

[cerulean creek]

there has to be because how would it explain high wr players queueing into only other high wr/ beta players

it scales off your WR im pretty sure because as it decreases the opponents you fight also decrease in skill

[midnight vine]

i think there system is not that strict

in terms of rank

[cerulean creek]

yes but it exists

[midnight vine]

yeah

[cerulean creek]

specific controller?

[midnight vine]

yeah

[cerulean creek]

i dont think it matters its just preference

[lilac cosmos]

I'm either being put with people that I'm way above in terms of skills or people that kill me in 3 seconds that doesn't seem very "skill based" to me

[midnight vine]

i just need a new one i'm using a nintendo pro controller and it drift

[cerulean creek]

i cant speak i play kb though

[midnight vine]

so every air attack i do is so inconsistent and does the opposite of what i want

ooo... damn

[lilac cosmos]

Xbox controllers work best with a Windows PC as they're just set up properly by default

[lilac cosmos]

Genuinely might just be a game issue

I'll hit down and it'll attack up

[midnight vine]

yeah

exactly

[cerulean creek]

i also can play controller i prefer kb

[lilac cosmos]

No amount of stick drift causes that

[cerulean creek]

but pro controllers feel good to play on

i have one myself

if you want to play bluetooth tho then get the xbox controller

[midnight vine]

@lilac cosmos so this happens to you as well?

[lilac cosmos]

Yeah

[midnight vine]

i feel like such a scrub not getting proper input in vital situations

[lilac cosmos]

I get it dude, I use c-stick for my normals a lot and a lot of the time I'll hit down air and throw an up air instead and it's actually infuriating

I've lost multiple stocks because of it too

[midnight vine]

yeah for air attack i specifically just use the right stick

ground attack i use buttons

i just have that stuck in my head

[sturdy citrus]

everyone has a hidden mmr per char, thats literally why you cant counterpick characters anymore

[obsidian ermine]

you might queue into newer players if you play a new character but matchmaking still feels very random even at characters I play a lot

[midnight vine]

yeah they definitely put you in a very wide range

[sturdy citrus]

the range is wide but the range is there

[lilac cosmos]

The range is ridiculous

I got put with a Bugs who took one stock off me solely because he looped me to 80

[obsidian ermine]

what bugs loop gets you to 80?

[sturdy citrus]

the drop your controller loop

[cerulean creek]

did you try to di like

at all?

[lilac cosmos]

It was on the batcave so he got to bounce me off the batmobile a couple times

[lilac cosmos]

I DId up and I DId to the side but it didn't mean much when he could just slam me against a batmobile to make his loop longer

[opal wigeon]

What's an easier way to get wonder womans forward attack?

[rotund sonnet]

what’s the inputs for her loops again? i know it’s some combo of nair jab and dair with dodge cancels but i always forget what order

[sturdy citrus]

I wanna fight the Wonder Woman’s you are fighting because the ones I fight true ladder combo me and I die at 30

[austere crypt]

Those ladders are DI able unless you are literally inside the blast zone as they hit you up

What is wonder woman even doing to you to ladder you at 30

[austere crypt]

Jab, dodge reverse jab 2, Dair, Nair

[sturdy citrus]

Again. What wonderwomans are you fighting? I wanna fight them. I’m DI ing correctly

[sturdy citrus]

True comboing me?

[austere crypt]

You're either trolling

Or genuinely need to learn something about the game mechanics desperately

You shouldnt be laddered at 30 by WW ever

Never mind consistently

I GTG anyway

[sturdy citrus]

I’m not trolling. Wonder Woman needs a nerf. Stop downplaying. It be the people who play broken characters who downplay them

[austere crypt]

I don't play WW

She is broken

It's just she can't ladder at 30

Genuinely a skill issue if you are

[sturdy citrus]

Okay. All the pros say that she has true ladder combos too

[sturdy citrus]

I guess all the pros have skill issue then. 16 wonder woman’s in a tournament is a skill issue then I guess

Watching clips from high level players in a tournament of Wonder Woman killing people at 30 is a skill issue then

[obsidian ermine]

I think I have a string that works half the time

[austere crypt]

You're actually just trolling

There's like no way someone can be that annoying

I said multiple times she's OP just she doesn't have a ladder to kill at 30

And you keep saying I'm saying she's not OP

[austere crypt]

That's probably from people not DIing well or something

[austere crypt]

It's putting words into my mouth to make me seem like I dunno what I'm talking about, it's not right

[midnight vine]

@austere crypt what do you think needs to be nerf?

[midnight vine]

could be wrong but i think it all depends on where your neutral jab 1 lands cause it's a bit quicker to just neutral jump dair. However that misses depending where you land jab 1

but the follow up on nair if you do neutral jump is a lot more definitive on how you can extend it

[bitter obsidian]

I hate this character😐

Oh lord the happiness

Just beat the 500 win WW

I've found the sauce

And then lost

Thia character needs nerfs so bad

[bitter obsidian]

Saying this but I just got laddered by a WW and died at 50

[midnight vine]

those are conditioned deaths though on a higher altitude

imo

if you guys really want a nerf on ww

they would remove the armor break properties on nair and put it to dair with a wider active frame

that would make a significant difference

and people would still complain lmfao

[sturdy citrus]

the ladder combos aren't real at most percents

[midnight vine]

yeah her follow up kit is just insane

that's why it feels real

i guess?

[sturdy citrus]

most of them are either 50/50s or just are straight up untrue

[midnight vine]

yeah it's funny most players do the exact same dodge even her up special

like if i decide to do it twice

and the guy decides to start dodging it all i have to do is fast fall for a split second and do it again

works everytime

[sturdy citrus]

funny if you read a doge out you can true punish with side special and it kills even earlier

you have to be getting hard read/conditioned to be constantly dying to WW ladders

because outside of that she's just a stray hit charachter

[sturdy citrus]

I think people just don't know how to di out of combos

and honestly the upper blastzones need to he raised, period

or male it like in smash where you have to take a certain amount of KB before the top blastzone can kill you

[midnight vine]

i think it's the camera angle

[sturdy citrus]

while WW ladders aren't always true, joker , bugs and Harley all have consistent ways to cheese you off the top because the ceilings are so low

[midnight vine]

and how it cuts out

it just doesn't give enough advantage to the guy that's getting hit

[sturdy citrus]

nah I've gotten kills at 0 because someone double jumped off spawn platform and I caught it with an up b

[midnight vine]

like if they are seeing what they are doing they won't act on reflex so quickly

[midnight vine]

honestly same

but i've also caught people take advantage of double jump if you di out properly

and you flip the script and kill that person

[obsidian ermine]

idk what this means

[midnight vine]

talking about strings being inconsistent is dependent off the spacing on your combo starter on the ground

[bitter obsidian]

so after playing over 300 games now in 1s and two's this is my updated character tier list for 1s (all in my opinion based on what ive seen)
S+: Wonder Women
S: Black Adam, Gizmo, Bugs, Joker, Harley, Steven, Banana Guard
A: Shaggy, Stripe, Superman, Tom and Jerry, Arya, Finn,
B: Morty, Batman, Rick, Marvin, Iron Giant reworked
C: Jason, Garnet, Reindog (less then 10 games),
D: Velma, Taz(0 Games)
This is mostly Ordered also

Just reposting for discussion in most talked in channels

[sturdy citrus]

🍿

[lilac cosmos]

Velma in D tier 💀

She's like SSS+++ on a bad day

[sturdy citrus]

velma is like f tier she doesn't work in ones and is a mild nuisance in doubles

[midnight vine]

Taz has an infinite also has strong combos while having high priorities on all of his attacks

he is a minimum a tier in any list

[lilac cosmos]

this is a lie and severe downplay

She's insanely OP

Nerf her please PFG

[steep idol]

Batman is top tier in solos

horrible list imo bro

[obsidian ermine]

feels like every character has a loop

[midnight vine]

yeah they do but not infinites like taz does with his salt

[sturdy citrus]

I don't think Taz in Infinite, I've seen it drop a lot

[lilac cosmos]

Not anymore lmao

[lilac cosmos]

Everyone can loop jab rn

PFG please bring back attack decay 🙏

[lunar swallow]

Hi

[steep idol]

Still is. Skill cap super high

[lilac cosmos]

Skill issue

He's mid tier now

[steep idol]

Skill issue is very true

High tier

Way better than marvin on that list

[sturdy citrus]

it's still in there it just only affects damage now, not knockback

[lilac cosmos]

I know, but it needs to affect hit stun and knockback too

I shouldn't be able to just use jab x2 5 times with no issues

[bitter obsidian]

This is based off my experience and in general Batman had been easy wins

Has*

[autumn prism]

How is BG so high

And u never even seen reworked if

Ig

💀

[lilac cosmos]

Because he's strong and can actually do more than mash

BG is one of the strongest in the game rn

Massive hitboxes, near unctontested kill power, high damage, he's got it all

[bitter obsidian]

Huh bg is crazy strong😂

And ig without his infinites goes down a ton

[autumn prism]

I'm on copium they make ig like

Good after removing infinite

Bg in 2s is brazy

I feel like in 1s he more predictable

[lilac cosmos]

He's predictable when he spams side b

But if a decent player is playing him, he's insanely hard to compete with

[autumn prism]

Ic

[humble frigate]

Wonder woman it's the min-min of this game

[pine gull]

The hell that mean

[humble frigate]

She makes some matchups nearly unplayable

Just by playing as her

[sturdy citrus]

she is not even as close to as bad as minmin

a bad min min player can actually cheese top level smash players

[midnight vine]

bro this game went from 90k playing on steam to 7k

LMFAO

[sturdy citrus]

18k rn

[left oyster]

i feel so bad playing this character. She’s so op but i played her so much in the beta i became a was a top 20 ww

but she’s just so broken

[hidden turtle]

Best perks for WW?

I’m only playing her to finish the joker vs batman missions lol

[left oyster]

none

just used well rounded

[sturdy citrus]

no bad perk except for shield of athena

[noble coral]

this is why

[bleak smelt]

Oh

I forgot I sent that cause it was a week ago lol

my bad

[lilac cosmos]

Intentionally spreading misinformation, I like it

I approve

[midnight vine]

you can look at the charts yourself

https://steamcharts.com/app/1818750#1m

@lilac cosmos

[lilac cosmos]

That is visibly not 7k

That is an obvious 18k 28 minutes ago

[midnight vine]

it literally says 7k if you hover at the charts right now

LOL

7.1

to be exact

[lilac cosmos]

The most recent chart is 18k

Bro is using old info to spread misinfo 😭🙏

I love it

I love your choice of statistics

It's so peak

So skibidi

You're so sigma for that

[midnight vine]

lol ok

[sturdy citrus]

Bros speaking Gen Alpha

[midnight vine]

aye man if you don't think the game doing great

i hope so

[lilac cosmos]

The games not doing great

Its player count is consistently plummeting

It just hasn't dropped below average 10k average just yet

Ofc, it'll die soon enough like we all expected

Unfortunate but that's the way WB games go

[midnight vine]

game didn't even get to evo

such a bad opening

[lilac cosmos]

I'd expect nothing more from a game owned by Warner Bros

Greedy corporate bastards

[midnight vine]

it just sucks cause the beta was so great

and whoever designed the mechanics knows what they are doing

imo

atleast

[rotund sonnet]

not finn :(

[lilac cosmos]

Finn is a loser and smells bad

[rotund sonnet]

he may smell bad but he is not a loser

[lilac cosmos]

He both stinks and loses

[rotund sonnet]

who are you?

[lilac cosmos]

Zypten, read the name bucko

[rotund sonnet]

who????

[meager otter]

I fw this heavy vro ❤️

[lilac cosmos]

You must be sipp, who are you?

[rotund sonnet]

no i'm sipp, who are you?

[lilac cosmos]

That's what I said 🤨

[pine gull]

minor nerf

but it could of been worse imo

[midnight vine]

bro they are removing all combo potential of characters

they are legit trying to turn this game into brawl

[pine gull]

combos are dying and thats just crazy

[midnight vine]

they don't know what they are doing...

i just don't understand why do it this way

instead of combo percentage decay

thank god elden ring dlc is coming out

[bitter obsidian]

More are coming

🥳🥳🥳

They said more nerfs coming for ww in a future patch

Rejoice

[pine gull]

D1 ww hater

[bitter obsidian]

So is every non ww main

Everyone knows she is broken asf

[bitter obsidian]

They just removed the loops

[midnight vine]

and you think that's a good thing

[bitter obsidian]

Yes

[midnight vine]

you're taking away creativity of plays

[bitter obsidian]

😂😂😂

[midnight vine]

just cause bugs doesn't have that

cause all you do is safe and spam nair

[bitter obsidian]

How is looping creativity

Anyone can loop

[midnight vine]

doesn't make it a good game

[pine gull]

the looping is gone

[bitter obsidian]

That's not creative

[pine gull]

superman loops are better

[midnight vine]

whoever found that is creative

[pine gull]

joker diminshed to hell

[midnight vine]

df

[bitter obsidian]

Not really

[midnight vine]

you're making the game just like brawl

by making it prediction dependendant

[bitter obsidian]

It's just a nash of two buttons that you can't escape from

[midnight vine]

rather than rewarding the guy who catches you

it makes the game a lot more slower and worse

when the game is already slow

[bitter obsidian]

Killing someone with no interaction shouldn't be a reward for hitting them at any point

That's crazy

[midnight vine]

LOL the guy who catches you should be rewarded

cause that person is the bad player

who got caught

[bitter obsidian]

So you are saying if we played and I hit you into a loop all 3 stocks and you can't do anything that's a good thing

[midnight vine]

huh?

do you even know how loops work?

or your just spamming dodge until you get out?

[bitter obsidian]

Game would be an absolute loop fest if they didn't get removed

Once the jab loop got discovered I was already seeing it most matches

Not creative when everyone is doing the same thing

[midnight vine]

then stop spamming broken moves and know how to fight

df?

[bitter obsidian]

😂😂

You said looping someone is a reward

[midnight vine]

bro you do realize this is not really a ww hit right idk why you're laughing about it?

ww footsie spacers are the god players of this game

[bitter obsidian]

I'm laughing that you think loops are good

Or "rewarding"

[midnight vine]

the loops are just making other characters be less of a strict game

cause it is

[bitter obsidian]

How

Do you want to get looped every game?

[midnight vine]

cause it's a combo that you can hit

if i get caught yes i deserve it

[bitter obsidian]

😂😂

[midnight vine]

you want this game to be prediction heavy

taking away the skill factor of the game

[bitter obsidian]

Looping isn't a skill wtf

[midnight vine]

obviously cause your a bugs bunny main

that just throw safe and nairs all day

thinking that's suppose to be a skilled way to play

[bitter obsidian]

How is looping skilled

[midnight vine]

cause it's a combo

[bitter obsidian]

It's literally a spam of 2 buttons

[midnight vine]

that you can generate

[bitter obsidian]

@lilac cosmos you should see this

[midnight vine]

this is like saying fox's reflect is not base on skills on melee

[lilac cosmos]

Biggest meat rider and downplayer of the century

[midnight vine]

LOL

doesn't joker have a jab loop as well?

df

[lilac cosmos]

He did

Not anymore

[midnight vine]

and you think that's a good thing?

[lilac cosmos]

And thank god for that jab loops take no skill lmao

Jab > jab > dodge > repeat is so brain dead

I could rack up 50+ damage while sleeping

[midnight vine]

all they need to do is make the it harder to execute

lool

what?

[bitter obsidian]

They did

[midnight vine]

they took it away

[lilac cosmos]

Good

[bitter obsidian]

They removed it

Now it's really hard to execute

[lilac cosmos]

There are other combo routes

[midnight vine]

doesn't matter it makes the game base on prediction

that doesn't make it a good game

[bitter obsidian]

How would a whole game of looping be a good game

[midnight vine]

it's like rewarding the spammers

who doesn't know how to play a fighting game

[bitter obsidian]

Looping is literally spamming what

[supple rock]

They didnt do anything to nerf her what

[bitter obsidian]

Next patch

Looks like Joker and ww getting hit next patch

[magic hamlet]

Are you guys talking about how Wonderwoman is a braindead character?

[supple rock]

Yes they are

[bitter obsidian]

Even worse

[lilac cosmos]

Wow Joker and WW are gonna get 2 frames of whiff and 1 less damage what a nerf

[magic hamlet]

Cool, because Wonderwoman should have cool down in her shields ability.

[bitter obsidian]

We were talking about how looping is bad🤯🤯

Crazy idea I know

[magic hamlet]

It is bad, why should be a game mechanic combo with the same attack.

[bitter obsidian]

I wish lol

We will see next patch

[midnight vine]

everything about this game screams casual for fun brawl

[supple rock]

Is that sarcasm?

[magic hamlet]

Yeah because shield breaker isn't enough.

[midnight vine]

literally what they want

[lilac cosmos]

Jolo is just a downplayer and a baby ignore him fr

[midnight vine]

so complaining about loops means a downplayer for what?

80% of the cast?

[magic hamlet]

I think Wonderwoman doesn't have enough counters, even those mages that are supposed to go against her have many problems.

[midnight vine]

LOOL

[magic hamlet]

What's is the easiest shield breaker ability to land without counting dash attacks?Marvin?

[midnight vine]

all they look for is to slow the game down into a prediction base gameplay

that's so competitive

it's like smash brawl made such a big remark to fighting games

so lets copy whatever that is

[supple rock]

Smash likes you mean

[austere crypt]

They're removing infinite comboes

If you need infinite comboes to win then you suck

Straight up nothing else it could be other than you are bad at the game if you need infinites or things that loop

[midnight vine]

df does infinites have to do with loops

what are you talking about

[austere crypt]

I'm saying you suck if you need loops or infinites

That's not an insult

It's just true

Learn to play the game instead of just pressing the same buttons over and over

[midnight vine]

loops is a combo that's in 99% of fighting games

[austere crypt]

And people that need them suck

That's not overly controversial

[bitter obsidian]

this is some crazy cap

[midnight vine]

WHat?

[austere crypt]

If you can't play the game and need a loop you're bad at the game.

[bitter obsidian]

people who need loops to win are garb

[midnight vine]

so you think making the game with no muscle memory makes a good game?

how did smash brawl do?

[bitter obsidian]

how is it muscle memory

[midnight vine]

do people want to watch that

[bitter obsidian]

its 2 buttons

[austere crypt]

You can have comboes, just not loops

You're turning this into the extreme because of a tiny thing

You're making it seem like without loops there's no comboes

No loops just mean trash players can't win against good.players that easily anymore

[midnight vine]

@austere crypt no it's not man it's taking away what makes the game unique to what smash is

[austere crypt]

It hightens the skill ceiling

[austere crypt]

It's not a good game.mechanic

[midnight vine]

no it doesn't it makes the game prediction dependant

[austere crypt]

There's no skill

[midnight vine]

LOL

it allows players that should not win a chance

[austere crypt]

Like I'm not debating you here or open to discussion or think it's a topic to talk about

If you need loops you suck

Straight up

Nothing else

Bad at the game

[bitter obsidian]

huh? Then they shouldnt win

[midnight vine]

LOL say that to every fgc players that uses combos

LOL

[austere crypt]

If players shouldn't win they shouldn't win

That's what skill is

[austere crypt]

I would say that to every player who uses loops

Not comboes

Youre extreming again

It's cringey

You're getting mad because you need loops to win against good players

Just learn a character's comboes.

[midnight vine]

HUH uses loops so resetting into getting into better position is cringy?

[austere crypt]

And how to play neutral

[midnight vine]

is it killing you?

[austere crypt]

Yes. Using loops is cringey and yes the damage will kill me.

[midnight vine]

that's more so about reaction and having awareness in your spacing

[bitter obsidian]

bruh

a fighter game shouldnt be I catch you and hit you one time so gg

[midnight vine]

which is an important factor in fighting games

[austere crypt]

This dude is either trolling or is actually one of the worst players ever

Either way it's not worth the debate

[midnight vine]

you take that away looking for more prediction doesn't make the game skill base

[austere crypt]

If he can never win without loops he's not gonna admit it's because he's bad

[bitter obsidian]

He has said WW needs more buffs and shouldnt be nerfed at all so

[midnight vine]

that just makes you want to take bigger risk than what's needed

[worn thorn]

bro Jolo is in here trolling everyday

😭😭

n he b catchin all ya

ik hes behind his screen dying

[austere crypt]

That just sounds like he needs a life

[bitter obsidian]

unfortounate

[midnight vine]

LOL

i mean game is dead anyway might as well bury it even farther

people defending this is are basically one button spammers

like a bugs bunny main

[austere crypt]

20k players average peak daily on steam online is dead

Apparently

[worn thorn]

i don’t think it’s dead fr

[austere crypt]

Makes it one of the most alive fighting games

[worn thorn]

all my irl’s still play

and queue is never more then like 10 seconds

can’t call it dead yet

[austere crypt]

Are there any fighting games with more players on steam than it rn?

[midnight vine]

3k views on a week old game

LOL

sf6 is beating this game on player count too

keep lying to yourself

[bitter obsidian]

Actually brawlhalla is about to pass multi if multi drops any more players

[austere crypt]

That doesn't change the answer to my question lmao

About to doesn't mean is

[bitter obsidian]

If the player drop trend continues then it should pass multi tomorrow or Saturday

They are trying to release update after update though rn considering they have lost almost 90% of players

So they might start earning some people back after all of these fixes and updates

@austere crypt the 24 hour peak is almost the exact same

Multi is beating out brawlhalla by less then 200 players rn

@austere crypt oh correction Brawlhalla actually has passed multi today

So yes, there is a fighting game with more players

[lucid fable]

https://youtu.be/sRLzotPY6wk?feature=shared

[bitter obsidian]

Did bro just link himself💀💀💀

This is why links were banned

[lucid fable]

Ur WW friend got kinda abused

I just wanted to let u see

[austere crypt]

Why is it titled 'scariest' like this is a horror game lmao

[bitter obsidian]

It's scary that the ww didn't use shield one time

[lucid fable]

Cause Batman

[austere crypt]

To get 3 stocked you kinda need to just not press buttons TBF

This game doesn't have a high enough skill ceiling that you can 3 stock people that actually know what moves do

[bitter obsidian]

Not if both people are on level skill

[lucid fable]

He was using loops he know what he doin

[austere crypt]

Loops aren't that hard

Super initiative

[lucid fable]

I’m using bman much harder char and worst

[austere crypt]

Im glad Xbox seemingly is fixed now

Means I can quit 1s

[lucid fable]

Is u profile pic an iSekc reference?

[sturdy citrus]

not even imo

in mus where shout was a problem resetting it doesn't really change anything

[pine gull]

Now it finna be used way less the what it was previously

[bitter obsidian]

Bagging as ww is insane

[ocean parrot]

what do you think the big nerf will be for ww

that they mentioned in the patch notes

[obsidian ermine]

should be like everything

[sturdy citrus]

no its going to be used more? now i have to burn it before i die

what its going to prevent is guaranteeing a full charge atleast once through down b armour getting broken

[safe crypt]

Most annoying 1v1 character

[gritty talon]

https://i.imgur.com/3JLIRFx.png
Nah you got crazy outplayed buddy sorry it happened to you

[dense plover]

i just got 0-deathed true comboed off a nair

[lilac cosmos]

Insane

[dense plover]

gah

[obsidian ermine]

share the combo :3

[dense plover]

not sure if im remembering correctly but it's like nair->jab*2->dair->nair-> infinite and then a grounded down just kills once you get them to like 100-130

even if u don't do an infinite, two loops of that is like 80 dmg

[obsidian ermine]

isn’t that just the loop she’s had for a while? didn’t it get removed

[dense plover]

maybe? haven't played in a bit and I tried all DI + mashing dodge and there was just no way out

i play superman though so maybe it's just impossible for supes in particular to escape since he has like what 3rd highest weight?

[obsidian ermine]

you can’t dair after the second jab anymore

nor can you jab dodge jab

[dense plover]

maybe my memory is off then, i know nair and dair are a part of it at the very minimum

[sturdy citrus]

and honestly yeah thats straight just skill issue 💀

[sturdy citrus]

jab 2 dair is a thing???

[dense plover]

idrk ww's move but ik she has a true infinite on supes at least lol

I think there's a jab in there? All i can really say for sure is that dair and nair are both a part of it

im p sure it's jab though I remember being like "OH MY GOD" while she was on the ground

[cerulean creek]

i actually posted it in combos earlier this morning

#combos message

this was the loop beforehand

[sturdy citrus]

ah i forgot about the dodge cancel

[obsidian ermine]

yeah that was it but you had to start with a nair

[rotund sonnet]

spacing dependent but yeah

[pine gull]

rip the loops

u will b e missed for eternity

[spare flare]

can anyone tell me if theres ever situations where air up special combos into itself? got hit by it a couple times yesterday and it seemed like there shouldve been a dodge window but it didnt give me the option unless it was just latency

[slim wagon]

Depends. Up special can true combo into itself but it's really DI dependent. You should try to DI away from WW when she sends you upwards since usually those up special confirms need you directly above them or they'll need to read your drift/dodge and dodge cancel jump into the second up special

[sturdy citrus]

up special up special is only true if you let it be

di away and try not to be above her

mix up the direction you hold when you get hit by jab 2 utilt or lasso utilt

as for the when it does, you either need to hit the early hitbox at lower percents or the late one at hogh percents

but it's never a "hit up b twice and they die"

the real one to watch out for is dair uair uair up b or just uair up b

that is true, cannot be di'd or dodged and is a kill confirm from like 20-40 damage

[slim wagon]

can you elaborate? What's the percent window for that dair to connect? When I try to do that usually the uair sends them away and I can't true combo the up special

[sturdy citrus]

you need to hit early uair

[slim wagon]

are you fast falling the uair to touch the ground, or are you saying delay the input a bit?

[sturdy citrus]

you need to fastfall after the dair

but buffer the uair before you hit the ground

here imma go farm 2v2s and see if I can land it on a poor unsuspecting soul

bottom line for the up b up b combos tho, it's basically a MU check

[slim wagon]

ngl I'm scared to share combos and strings here or else PFG is going to just delete WW's combo game next patch

[sturdy citrus]

kills off top are wayyy to prominent in this game

kill that and you kill her combo game

only combo of the side that's not just a jab string is up b air side b but that only works on hard reads

[sturdy citrus]

i don't share my actually stupid combos here at all lmao

up b kills are fine tho because it's not the kb that kills you it's the fact you're so close to the blastzone most of the time

utilt up b just kills raw at some point if the utilt sends high enough iirc

[slim wagon]

yeah, that up special has definitely gotten me some kills I don't feel were earned lol. At least I have until next patch to enjoy the character xD

[sturdy citrus]

I feel like they're probably going to target the startup or endlag

WW as whole benefited probably the lost from the character size increases, they might tone that down too

[cerulean creek]

Send them in the WW cord

Or dm me i wanna see some new stuff

Since they removed the dodge cancel combos

[obsidian ermine]

jab up tilt, step back and side special is true if you do it right

jab up tilt and sair is also true

nair after the up tilt too wow

up special after the nair is true

[slim wagon]

Not on the game rn but just a tip for everyone labbing combos, if you want to test if something's true set the CPU to "Neutral Dodge" - not after hitstun, just as default. The after hitstun settings aren't consistent, but with them on Neutral dodge they always buffer parry

[obsidian ermine]

#combos message I've been doing this for a while but never knew it was true

[slim wagon]

they'll always miss the parry if you start the combo with jab

[obsidian ermine]

also nair before the jab is true

[slim wagon]

@obsidian ermine what screen recording software are you using? I've tried Screenrec but the quality sucks

[obsidian ermine]

shadowplay

[sturdy citrus]

yup I use amds version of it

[cerulean creek]

i feel like last stand is such a broken perk for ww

its actually insane

how busted this feels

[tidal sapphire]

I prefer speed force, but last stand is a good perk for any tank. I run it on superman

[sturdy citrus]

yeah I usually go last stand

[surreal pecan]

haven't play with ww a week, i almost forgot about her playstyle

[sturdy citrus]

hold forward in direction of enemy and press button

done

[cursive mason]

Ww pretty easy to pickup ngl

Very fun

[lilac cosmos]

It must be embarrassing losing as WW

[cursive mason]

Usually I just forget how stubby her side special is

[lilac cosmos]

It has armor so that literally does not matter

[gleaming pier]

Tips on land nair more often

[cursive mason]

It kinda matters if I don't connect the attack ·_·

[lilac cosmos]

Get good

It has a strong hitbox, it's practically instant, and it swings twice

[gleaming pier]

😂my Wonder Woman is really good as is just tryna incorporate nair startup combos more

[cursive mason]

Your better than me, and that's impressive

[carmine wyvern]

wassup yall I played ww back in the beta

has she changed much?

[sturdy citrus]

not really

any changes for the better

[lilac cosmos]

She's much stronger now

Her dtilt is no longer used for combos, it kills at ridiculously low percents

Sair is also vile

Her uair doesn't seem to have the sweet spot either but maybe the WWs I face are just bad

I mean they all like to hide behind side b half the game

[sturdy citrus]

honestly thank God combo dsmash made no sense

I still find it funny it went from a wet noodle to a nuclear bomb in terms of kill power though

[cerulean creek]

Boost jumping (ie. dodging then jumping) gives more momentum so it can help with timing

Otherwise it's just about about improving spacing and situational awareness

Cuz sometimes it's just better to just go for sair and react if you're not sure if you can get nair

[humble frigate]

Dtilt shouldn't reward players for just playing bad at the game omg

[cursive mason]

Just hit them? Or use a range option?

[humble frigate]

Not talking about that, more about how hitting the armor of ww rewards her by charging the power of his dtilt

It doesn't make sense tbh

If you don't hit her while she has armor most of the time she gets a free combo, if you hit her while she has armor you charge the power of dtilt

And it's not a simple down tilt that does dmg, that thing have killed me at 80 with like 1 second of charge? I don't know but I just died and it was not a bug

[sturdy citrus]

It kills at 60 and half charge spike kills around 10

Maybe reworking armour to reward you for damage delt during it?

[obsidian ermine]

look for it when you’re both going the same way/dodging one of their moves and are practically right next to them

[gleaming pier]

Okay thanks trying improve my approach so I can land nair startup combos more often

[lilac cosmos]

It's actually despicable what they did with it

I got hit by that thing uncharged and it killed me instantly at like 30%

[sturdy citrus]

I think they should have brought the kill power down instead of resetting meter on death

[lilac cosmos]

Absolutely

[sturdy citrus]

because it didn't really change anything

in matchups where shout was a problem (usually with mages) it literally does not matter because things like safe and Jerry give her a full charge

[gilded dragon]

Most aids character yet

[pine gull]

Womp womp

[sturdy citrus]

womp womp

[humble frigate]

He's right tho, you all don't deserve the 5+ kill moves of wonder woman while other characters like morty only has 2 at a maximum

[dense plover]

poor morty

[tidal sapphire]

poor morty can open every combo by giving the enemy 2 stacks of weakened, buff so it does 5 stacks

[humble frigate]

You can't dodge dirt as the fastest tank in the game? lol

[tidal sapphire]

There's a pretty huge gap between the top tier characters and low tier ones, and ww is s tier for sure. But if you struggle getting kills with morty, that's a skill issue

But characters like velma, Jason or lebron definitely need a lot of help

[humble frigate]

Doesn't excuse ww having more than 5 consistent kill moves lol

[tired ingot]

Hey

Anyone know the best perks to use for wonder woman

[sturdy citrus]

poor morty 💀 very few charachters have more that two kill moves

[dense plover]

yall remember in the beta when ww had only one kill move and it was her up air sweetspot spike?

good times

[pine gull]

Love the 2 kill options days

[obsidian ermine]

beta wonder woman had sair and neutral ground spam

also double up special into uair

[tidal sapphire]

She wasn't that different than she is now. Dtilt wasn't a kill move as much as it is now, and spike now doesn't have the same kill power now that it did back then. Also tipper lasso was a kill move

[cerulean creek]

It still does kill

Just not as early

[cerulean creek]

If dirt didn't apply 2x weakened and true combod into uair killing at 60 then sure. If snakes didn't kill at 0 then sure. If grenades didn't kill at 40 then sure. I'd feel so bad for Morty.

[obsidian ermine]

morty isn’t that good but he’s very annoying if they keep running away

[humble frigate]

Who are you playing to die at 60? Gizmo?

[sturdy citrus]

up b and side b kills were still a thing in the beta 💀

in fact fair combo'd into air side b which could combo back into fair untill it just kills if you started mid stage

and we still had whip if you really couldn't get any kills

down air kills, forward smash kills

[digital axle]

just tried WW and she seems close to the old beta, which is refreshing. Probs even gotten stronger because of the speed nerfs to everyone else.

[lilac cosmos]

Also that her dtilt went from a combo move to one of the strongest kill moves in the game probably helped make her as busted as she is

[limber tartan]

any ww wanna run a quick set rq

i'm playing joker and just wanna warm up against her

[shrewd fiber]

why is such a rubbish skin locked behind so much rift grind? I'll just wait for it to on the store I guess

[austere crypt]

ONE OF?????

It's THE by like no competition

You can be at 0 on Arya and die to Fully charged Dtilt

Not even a close death either you teleport into the blast zone

[errant karma]

Lol

[humble frigate]

Tbh you don't need to charge it full, I died to that thing when it was at like 1%

I think the thing you actually need is just something to bounce of and you die, that's it

if you are a heavy character just pray that you don't die at 10 by that thing cuz most of them are slow and doesn't have a good projectile

It's stupid, I hate going against her cuz she can just take stocks as easy as beta jake

[glacial nymph]

Hey WW fam!!💙

What do y’all usually look for teammates when running 2s? Game style wise. Taking notes today so appreciate any of y’all tips.

[sturdy citrus]

ww can play support with anyone, but plays best with herself

and yeah shout needs to either be harder to charge (like 1 full charge a game if you're really trying, and im assuming itll get to stay between stocks again) or have its kill power massivley turned down

it has turned entire matches around off of a 0% shout spike

the trade off it got from beta (size reduced, kill power turned up) could also have its ratio turned a bit

[errant karma]

Skillless ass character

[glacial nymph]

Thank you 🫡🙂‍↔️ @sturdy citrus

[obsidian ermine]

multiversus

[glacial nymph]

is the best I agree

[errant karma]

Tf does that mean jen lol

[tidal sapphire]

ww is a rushdown character. i like drawing attention while giving my teammate room they need. if they are a charging character like shaggy, banana or jason, giving them space to charge

i actually dont care for double WW cause were in danger of stacking. as scary as double WW is, WW steven is a scarier combo

also a projectile teammate with ignite perk works great with WW

[lilac cosmos]

Fully charged? Nah, don't need it
I died to 13% uncharged one time (as Joker, noticeably heavier than Arya)

And it was also not close

I just teleported away

Broken attack ong

Best kill move in the game AND it's a strong edge guard tool AND it has armor

Balanced and fair fr

[humble frigate]

Rlly trynna have some fun until someone picks wonder woman against me

[glacial nymph]

Great notes here @tidal sapphire ty for contributing 💙

[tidal sapphire]

yeah np 👍

[violet mason]

Ww needs projectile option

Doesnt she throw her sword sumtimes

Like cmon now

Or switch to brawl stance or sum cuz she barely uses da sword

Sum bs

[bitter obsidian]

Yeah let's buff ww😂😂😂

[tidal sapphire]

She needs to carpet bomb the stage with her invisible jet

[pine gull]

Ww needs some lingering frames on her dair

[lilac cosmos]

On the topic of her dair wtf is wrong with that thing I was ABOVE her and got spiked

[pine gull]

Happens the same with finn

Dunno why the startup of the hitbox on dair just appears on the top

[sturdy citrus]

yeah I was surprised when they went full sword and shield because she's known for only pulling them out when stuff gets real

[obsidian ermine]

#clips message awesome zero to death

[lilac cosmos]

It's not true so WW is actually not overpowered actually! 🤓☝️

[violet mason]

Yea fr

They should definitely give her a brawl mode with jus hands and be able to fly

[hexed silo]

Need to know, what are some of WWs worst matchups?

[violet mason]

Anyone wit armor break

But if we being fr

Bugs

Bro

Hate that lil fcer

[tidal sapphire]

WW doesnt really have bad matchups at the moment. I could see marvin being a hard matchup once the game gets more balanced

I have the hardest time with IG and joker, but those characters are also busted

and joker im running into so many that im getting the hang of, hes just insane

[sturdy citrus]

I'm not gonna lie that was a choose to lose combo

[sturdy citrus]

bugs ww is so good for ww it's not even funny 💀

you gen instant shout out of safe and he has to approach because of ground side b

[slim wagon]

The only thing Bugs currently can do against WW is approach with nair and pray it hits since that leads into a true combo that can kill if they follow your DI. But since you know that, just side special them every time to stuff that approach. It's kind of a sad matchup since there's literally no variation in it, just bugs being miserable and looking for cheese while WW is sad spamming the same move until the bugs is at kill percent

[lilac cosmos]

I like using WW whenever I lose a couple matches because it means I'll win by default

[obsidian ermine]

shaggy and joker are also an option 🥰

[lilac cosmos]

Nah Shaggy isn't as free as WW, Jokers more free than both of them combined though

Mf has nothing but 0td combos

[obsidian ermine]

all shaggy needs is two jab connections 😍

[acoustic current]

Yall so sad, Such a 0 skill character icl, Imagine using meta

[pine gull]

womp womp

and most of us have been using ww since the beta when she was terrible so some people may be meta absuing but the majority who have been playing ww since the beta are just sticking to her since thats what they have been playing

[errant karma]

It's no a no skill corny character to me no matter how you put it, i just lost to a ww just spamming her op armor moves that and struggled against my garnet

Come on now lol she can kill way faster as well than most characters

[pine gull]

That's just your opinion you can say it see ww how you want no amount of ranting on how much you hate us aint gon change her

[errant karma]

I dont hate yall, i hate the character

The character is stupid lol

[pine gull]

Some aspects I agree

But as a whole the character ain't took janky

That just me cuz ik how to fight other ww

[errant karma]

You have no choice but to use armor break perks, thats how busted that bum ass ability is

Cause her cool down is only 2-4 damn seconds it seems, then he r down special that kills at 50

[pine gull]

Most people just either space the hell outta it or just throw random abilities

But for getting on stage

Yea I kinda see that being annoying to go against

[errant karma]

Yes lol

[pine gull]

Just like me I only use it for like recovery or just to get a hit in

[errant karma]

I don't hate yall, it's just at least the majority of players i go against when they're ww, they teabag when they barely win, when i was whooping there ass as garnet

[pine gull]

I'm just fully expecting her to get a nerf next patch like we been getting

[pine gull]

1st respect for playing garnet and most likely they have a annoying prev game with an arya or a shaggy they lost to so they most likely are just holding pent up salt

[errant karma]

Thanks lol just ugh i used to be top 150 garnet so ye

Idk how you would even look at that stat now tbh, probably gone from the tracker

[pine gull]

I just look at tracker.gg but it only says mmr

[obsidian ermine]

the ranks were in the beta

[lilac cosmos]

There was never a time when WW was anything below low A

[obsidian ermine]

the halloween nerf when her sair didn't hit like 70% of the time

[pine gull]

Mah fault memory be failing me

[surreal pecan]

I'm back, it's has been a while i haven't play with ww
just main her recently in 1v1 mode, lost against shaggy

[violet mason]

Trying other characters out and going against my main is actually tuff

I kno how yall feel now

The side air spam is crazy

[errant karma]

Feel the pain

[pine gull]

Shaggy mains hurt my brain

They do the most braindead stuff

I was playing harley

[pine gull]

Is there a bug where attacks go through the enemy

Or am I just tweaking

[lilac cosmos]

Tends to happen when a characters combo game gets completely gutted and he relies heavily on 1 combo

[sturdy citrus]

LOL

[pine gull]

Just look at the clips bro I had to deal with this one

[sturdy citrus]

F

[pine gull]

U dead assume I spam hammer

[gilded scroll]

Wonder Woman is probably the worst character in the game right now. She has no big combos that don't take up all her resources, she has a charging up tilt that's immobile and cant be held very long, her Amazon Shout has an insanely small hitbox and lasts for barely half a second, Defense of the Gods also is easy to deal with, it fails to crushing hits first and cant even trade. Such a shame she's played so much

[surreal pecan]

Hmmm, i think you already said this in general
But you also not fully wrong, i agree about that she has no big combos
Anyway, it's been a while i haven't play with ww, the only things that i can do is dash attack, air side attack and one combo
She's still good, it's just i think there are another chars that i think are above ww on the list

[lilac cosmos]

Fr and her hitboxes are so honest and definitely not ridiculously disjointed and uncontestable

[plain fiber]

Yeah for a nerf I can only see them lowering the knock back and some damage on her attacks? Her hit boxes are great right now. During beta it felt like Jason with how some of her attacks whiffed.

That being said her combo game is lackluster, but she makes up for that in being a strong counter to most of the roster and of course the armor

[gilded scroll]

Hope you realize it's an ironic pasta.

Yall are getting the massive nerf hammer and all of us are happy.

Gonna be fun seeing carried peeps absolutely squashed in the weeks to come

[lilac cosmos]

WW is mid tier you guys suck

[gilded scroll]

TRUUUU sorry man I was just joking

She's a low tier

[lilac cosmos]

Baffling how the devs haven't even touched WW yet

Actual free character

The top 3 are so broken it's not even funny

The only way to beat them is to play against someone you skill diff by such a wide margin that they think you're cheating

[humble frigate]

This character has no bad matchups, it's literally a choose to lose character I hate it

If she doesn't get a big nerf next patch this game is going to die just like what happened before I'm pretty sure

[lilac cosmos]

The game is gonna die before they release the patch lol

[tidal sapphire]

Gotta hold out till next week, there's gonna be a patch then. The devs already specifically called out joker and WW as needing big nerfs

[lilac cosmos]

That doesn't matter though, since the game is loing about 2k players per week

So in a weeks time, it'll have 5k players

Which is pretty dead imo

[tidal sapphire]

Eh, I don't really care about that tbh. People like to worry and speculate that every new game is gonna die. If it does, it does.

I'm just gonna have fun and keep playing

[errant karma]

At this point i hope so, lost hope

[lilac cosmos]

Fym you hope so dawg 😭

[errant karma]

Cause

[lilac cosmos]

I'm praying the game lives but that's just wishful thinking atp, steamcharts don't look good 😔

[errant karma]

So damn stupid, nerfing characters that takes skill

[lilac cosmos]

They only nerfed IG, Reindog, and Gizmo so far

[glacial nymph]

MVS for life 💙

WW does not need the extreme buff I hear most of the community speaks of. Shes dangerous in 2s yes but in 1s her weaknesses are way more exposed imo.

[lilac cosmos]

Nobody is asking for buffs dawg 😭

Also the game is balanced around 2s

[glacial nymph]

Nerfs* my bad

[lilac cosmos]

She also doesn't seem to really have weaknesses honestly
She has a quick armor break move making armor easy to deal with for her, she doesn't struggle with projectiles, she has large disjointed hitboxes, she's actually the fastest character in the air, she has some of the highest kill power in the game, but I guess her combos are a bit lackluster

[glacial nymph]

The game should be balanced around all game modes. They also have FFA getting released soon, we can’t use one game mode to strategize a whole game.

[glacial nymph]

Fastest character in the air does not seem correct to me. Her shield SHOULD be her strongest part of her kit. It is WW we are speaking of. Her melee moves can become very slow and opens lots of windows to attack. Patience before entering. Also stop looking to get extreme combos against her and pick your spots. 22 dmg per time then “reset”. Another 22 dmg. Reset. Then maybe you get a 40 dmg combo. Then you have your opening to attack to ringout.

[lilac cosmos]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ihEFHf01I8lKibPkAEavEaqZyU-VV9MGeKGZ-PmjeQM/edit?gid=736130214#gid=736130214 character weight and speed stats

Batman accelerates the fastest and is all around capable of moving quicker, but she has the highest air speed

[glacial nymph]

This is beautiful thank you for posting this 💙💙💙

[tidal sapphire]

I don't think they should be making any character slower lol. Most likely they'll make a bunch of her attacks weaker so she doesn't kill as early or make her lighter

[lilac cosmos]

She's a tank

She should not be among the fastest in the game

And she should also not be among the lightest

She has average weight and ridiculous speed

[tidal sapphire]

Yeah, so buff the speed of everyone else

Standard tank is heavy, her shields makes up for her being lighter than an average tank

[lilac cosmos]

Or make her a bit slower because the netcode can't handle anyone being fast lol