Velma

[desert roost]

I enjoyed it. I felt like it was a good thing. But trying to change support characters into characters who now have to somehow survive on their own. You either have to re-work their kit. Or give them power to kill things.

[boreal wharf]

Reindog and Velma still don’t have great kill power it seems 💔

[desert roost]

I don't know what planet we are on. But maybe I need to get on a different one. Because why do people think Velma's projectiles are better than Morty's?

[boreal wharf]

I went against a morty earlier in 2s and 4 projectiles came my way and I was in a long hitsun and hit for 70 lol

[desert roost]

Broke and they also kill relatively early lol.

[boreal wharf]

Yeah the knockback is outrageous and all morty players do is run

It’s actually annoying no one wants to play aggressively in this game

[desert roost]

Another thing Velma struggles with against other characters who have projectiles. She doesn't have good offenssive options.

Flash light can be used offensively but with the amount of start up it has...it's not worth it.

People aren't incentivized to play aggressively in this game currently.

[boreal wharf]

There is no incentive to playing Velma 💔

@desert roost I don’t understand some of the T&J changes ngl

I know they had to patch the paddle

[desert roost]

None. I'm going to be playing the PPGs tomorrow

[vocal pulsar]

Do u guys keep that "0td"

[desert roost]

It's DI'able so nope

[vocal pulsar]

Well yeah ik thats why I put quotation marks I mean like its still somewhat doable

[boreal wharf]

It’s damage dependent also

[desert roost]

Oooo sorry

Lmao

After 24% Book CD down special you just DI out and you're fine.

[vocal pulsar]

Lol

Is it over velma bros

[desert roost]

It's over

I'm playing PPGs tomorrow

I can't do it no more.

[boreal wharf]

Moving to PPG I give up

[vocal pulsar]

😭

[boreal wharf]

Well I’ll get 400 wins to get my Velma 5 star then I’m done

[vocal pulsar]

The velma species is a rare breed now

[desert roost]

I'll look to see what these "momentum changes" are. But they don't seem significant enough to do anything for her because she will still be in lag.

[boreal wharf]

Been playing her since the beta it’s been a journey

[desert roost]

It's almost extinct at this point.

[desert roost]

Same. We had a good run boys! TIME to turn out the lights.

[vocal pulsar]

Its ok u guys are now top 1

In the worst characters list

W velma 🙏🔥🔥🔥

[boreal wharf]

Don’t say that Jake mains might disagree with you

[desert roost]

🔥 🔥 🙏

[vocal pulsar]

Jake mains are a bit special ngl

Velma much worse

[boreal wharf]

Most of them aren’t good at the game also

[desert roost]

Oh I was debating one early. I know.

😂

[vocal pulsar]

Lmaoo

[boreal wharf]

Gimmicky ass kit remove that dumbass character

[vocal pulsar]

I have no idea how the grandmaster velmas do it

There's like 2 i think

Maybe idk

[boreal wharf]

The rank system is terrible lol

[desert roost]

Here's the thing. I wouldn't complain if she actually could kill at a reasonable percent without some like read(most characters can), combo, or had a cheap gimmicky kill option. She don't got none of those. So it's just like. WELP. What are we doing here. Expending our brain power for what?

18RP?!

[boreal wharf]

I’ve beat a decent amount of the top 100

[boreal wharf]

Just try to hit camera and pray it kills it’s what I have to do

[desert roost]

LMAO

That part!

[boreal wharf]

People also want weakened and status effects removed I’ve seen some complaints about it in general

[desert roost]

Honestly. I've found that you have to delay yourself pressing the camera(waiting for the person to airdodge) then you click it and kill them.

But I honestly don't use shutter bug sub 120...because it's not killing no way. I reserve it for like 140

[boreal wharf]

It depends tbh

I’d put more faith in shutterbug than anything else in her kit ngl

[desert roost]

Unless they are like super light or you hit them at the top of the blast zone.

My faith is now in figuring out how to use CD downspecial for better string and damage. I did a 90 percent string on a black adam the other day with it.

[boreal wharf]

Hmmm maybe I should get grandmaster on PPG and Velma shouldn’t be hard

[desert roost]

Worth a shot!

[boreal wharf]

Should only take two weekends

[desert roost]

I wish you the best of luck

[atomic otter]

Hear ye hear ye

Average Velma main

[muted holly]

just saw the changes

no words

[desert roost]

You mean those universal changes for all characters. Mmhmm.

[restive umbra]

Oooo what changes

[muted holly]

bad changes

we got nerfed compared to the rest of the cast

wth is a clank interaction even

if midseason isnt good for velma im actually quitting

[vocal pulsar]

Just choose someone else lol

Its over velma bros

[muted holly]

velma is the only character that has a fun moveset imo

[vocal pulsar]

Nahhh

Im sure u can find someone that u find fun

Velma aint even allat I mean sure she has a creative moveset but idk

[muted holly]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[heavy mortar]

Ok but really what is a clank interaction

Did they make it up

[tidal onyx]

I think when two moves hit at the same time

[desert roost]

Why choose someone else when they can literally buff her but choose not to. It’s a conscious decision they are making. Quite sad.

[lapis mason]

Funny how ww doesnt get a single touch but velma gets bad changes instead

[calm herald]

This is genuinely making me mad

[desert roost]

Welcome to the maiming low tier life. Where for arbitrary reasons your character just isnt ever allowed to be good or cared about. It’s lonely down here and it’s a struggle.

[vocal pulsar]

I mean yeah im saying its bad what they're doing to y'all 😭

But I mean just main someone else until she gets some actual good changes

[desert roost]

I’m going to try out the PPGs and I hope they are broke like SJ was on release. So that I can now roll my face on the keyboard and not think. Because I have amazing frame data and can hit buttons out of disadvantage. Today is going to be a good day LOL

[vocal pulsar]

Ppg does look like they have potential to be broken

But at the same time prob hard to play a little due to how complex they are

Still Imma play em as well

They look like a lot of fun

[desert roost]

Skill expression on that character looks promising.

I’m still going to play Velma regardless lol. We unfortunately have to adapt and just be that MUCH better than or opponents. Tempered aggression/ fake advantage states.

[vocal pulsar]

U guys gotta advocate more for her ngl

Spam in feedback or something lmao

Gather all velmas

All 10 of them

[desert roost]

All 10 of us!!

LOL 😂😂

I’ll have to write something super detailed 😂

But I am interested in this new perk! That will make Velma kind of more tanky in a sense. Because when someone dodges your move you get like 3 or 5 Gray health. Which Velma gets a lot of her moves dodged because of the long startup. Coupled with the gray health received from Evidence. @vocal pulsar

But if it’s a general perk and it takes place of its flammable doc. Idk…

[vocal pulsar]

Oh yeah that perk

The 2 perks both sound good ngl but idk if its even worth swapping with flammable or pugilist or whatever

[desert roost]

Yeah, I’m not sure.

I am curious about the momentum changes for book air/down special. I’ll be playing around in the laboratory once the patch has taken place and some real matches.

[calm herald]

Im just waiting for the servers to go back up so I can try the ppg in training

Cause I dont got the gleamium to get the battle pass rn

[hallow fractal]

I'm playing rn

[calm herald]

Oh

I thought they'd announce ig

[hallow fractal]

I just won 2 ranked games

I think its glitched

[calm herald]

How's these Velma "buffs"?

[hallow fractal]

It's still the old version

[calm herald]

Oh

Weird

[hallow fractal]

Yeah

This is weird

[calm herald]

I swear maintenance was happening rn

[heavy mortar]

It starts in 2 minutes

[boreal wharf]

I don’t think it’s fair that Velma doesn’t have more movement penalties while throwing book PFG please change that ❤️

[muted holly]

school is exhausting

time for gaming

or is has maintenance started already?

[boreal wharf]

@muted holly seems like down air is still useless which is unfortunate

[muted holly]

servers up?

[boreal wharf]

Nope but they posted a clip of down air lol

[muted holly]

i want to say so many things but the mods will come after me

will i get yelled at by the mods if i start cursing in foreign languages?

[desert roost]

Hasn't ended yet

[desert roost]

Probably

[calm herald]

Honestly i've already said a bunch of hate things about the devs and their balancing of Velma and they still haven't came after me

[desert roost]

I don't think you should dance on the line of hate. But rather generaly curosity and provide solutions.

[calm herald]

I thought Lucid was doing that already

[desert roost]

Just saying to continue to do it. No matter how fustrating it is.

[muted holly]

is it worth trying?

also would it be worth the attempt to directly dm ajax with hopes we get something trough?

[desert roost]

Idk. But I don't like the baiting. He can do away with that.

[calm herald]

At this point the devs haven't listened to us for already 3 seasons now

[muted holly]

i guess trying wont hurt

[hallow fractal]

Yay

I'm In

[tidal onyx]

Bro they keep teasing Velma “buffs on twitter” only get get gifted with a whole lot of nothing

It’s frustrating as hell

[calm herald]

Real

I remember when they teased Garnet buffs on twitter with Velma and she got almost nothing basically

[heavy mortar]

They need to cut it out it’s just getting infuriating

[calm herald]

Heres hoping they didnt shadow nerf the duration of the blurps target again

[muted holly]

its over, ppg are mad broken

found a 61 dmg true combo already

[hallow fractal]

Lol

[calm herald]

Oh nah

Welp time to spend money on gleamium/hj

I do hate that they're battlepass exclusive cause I really wanted to play them

[dry fulcrum]

they really saw Wonder Woman, Joker and the new PPG and said "nah these are fine", but Velma having better air speed on top of her old flashlight was too far 💀

[calm herald]

Please I was hoping that WW and Joker got nerfed

THEY NERFED THE MAX MEGAPHONE RANGE AGAIN

Like it looks shorter in all honesty

[tidal onyx]

I think it is

[desert roost]

Actually

Velma kinda cooking.

The momentum from dodge canceling with flash light kinda nice and mega phone

[calm herald]

Yeah I like it a bit

Now we arnt slow lets go

I wanna play the ppg so badly now

[desert roost]

Play them lol

[calm herald]

I dont have gleamium

I only got 450

[unique pond]

buy some

[remote storm]

yo since when the new season up? thought it started tomorrow

[calm herald]

Cant rn I dont have the money

[desert roost]

Also fast falling with down air now being a thing makes it way easier to hit. Thank god.

[calm herald]

Can we fast fall with up air special now so we can hit Finn please devs?

[remote storm]

bro I played today and the pass and every challenge was just gone.

[calm herald]

Sometimes I wish the devs would give us more gleamium

OH SHOOT THE NEW VELMA COSTUME IS FREE ON THE PASS LETS GO

[desert roost]

I know! IT'S SOOO CUTE

[calm herald]

You know what this is worth

I didnt get the safari Velma so this works

First ranked game lets go

Actually anyone wanna do a double Velma comp in twos?

It'd be funny

[boreal wharf]

I’d be down what server you on?

[desert roost]

Velma bug for SJ, SJ can try to hit VAN and he disappears. LOOL. Leaving his teammte to fend for themselves and he doesn't come back.

[calm herald]

NA

[boreal wharf]

What’s your ID I’ll add you once I’m done with my game

[muted holly]

im the only european here i see

i can curse without yall knowing hehehe

[calm herald]

UnknownIden777

[boreal wharf]

Imma only be on for like a hour tho

[calm herald]

Thats fine

[desert roost]

Velma feel kinda good

Also I took the perk where if someone dodges I get gray health. Kinda FIRE

[calm herald]

Maybe I misjudged these buffs ngl

[boreal wharf]

Carry me

Man double Velma is always so fun

[calm herald]

Fr

OMG DOUBLE PPG

[boreal wharf]

We win these

[calm herald]

Ppg doesnt seem top bad though ngl

[desert roost]

Honestly

They just need to fix the hitbox on up tilt. Because it still does not catch short characters consistly nor does it catch people standing inside of her body.

[calm herald]

The way I combo'd that one PPG

[desert roost]

LMAO

Velma combos coming back on the low

[calm herald]

Maybe this is the season for us

[boreal wharf]

We cooking fs

[calm herald]

I just realized this was unranked

[boreal wharf]

We can’t play ranked as double Velma lol

I got error coded @calm herald

[calm herald]

My game crashed

Ah

[calm herald]

Wait is it a rule to play ranked with two different characters?

[boreal wharf]

Yeah

[calm herald]

If so I never knew

Im back on

[boreal wharf]

Invited you

[calm herald]

My dream costume

[boreal wharf]

You don’t have witch?💔

[calm herald]

Sadly

Is it me or is jab jab down tilt true now?

Cause we both hit that on them

[boreal wharf]

It actually might be lol

[calm herald]

Back to the lab lol

Amazing comeback

[boreal wharf]

@calm herald that was close Jason is so fast lol

[calm herald]

Also it does seem jab jab down tilt is consistent now

I hit it on Jack everytime

[boreal wharf]

That’s good

Another dc lol

[calm herald]

Bruh

Okay nvm you can still dodge out of jab jab down tilt

[boreal wharf]

How unfortunate

[muted holly]

welp bad news

its the joker on release all over again

powerpuff girls are mind numbingly broken its nuts

[ember horizon]

PFG just doesn't test their characters man

[muted holly]

guys wanna know something funny

??

[ember horizon]

yes

[muted holly]

we got shadownerfed AGAIN

[calm herald]

My game desynced

[boreal wharf]

@calm herald lagging I assume?

[ember horizon]

oh hell no

[calm herald]

Yeah the megaphone range got nerfed

[muted holly]

offcooldown dspecial has more startup

[calm herald]

OH HELL NAH

[muted holly]

or i am tripping

pretty sure i am not

[calm herald]

It did feel somewhat slower

Still can be used in combos though

[ember horizon]

I'm still getting ladders off

so if it is slower at least it didn't affect that

[calm herald]

Another amazing comeback

[boreal wharf]

Indeed

I need that mystery inc Velma skin

[calm herald]

Summer Velma team

Same

[desert roost]

Yeah

That Mystery Inc skini s soo cute! OMG

[calm herald]

It looks so cute

I always like Mystery Inc. Velma's little bow

[boreal wharf]

Man this comp is just so fun

Oh dc again

[calm herald]

Yup

I love the round start blurp spam

Reminds me of the Jake and Velma glitch

[boreal wharf]

That was a fun time lol

[muted holly]

someone tell me what to do against supermans ice breath

[boreal wharf]

You can’t do anything against it lol and it blocks speaker so GGs

[vague crystal]

Why is the ppg locked behind the battle pass I thought we weren’t doing this bs anymore

[boreal wharf]

@calm herald man imagine if we could play this comp in ranked 💔

[calm herald]

I'd love that

[desert roost]

Hit him with yo flash light

Run up and bop him

[boreal wharf]

If he doesn’t dodge out and jab I’d genuinely be surprised

[desert roost]

Never happens to me 😉. No like really it doesn't lol.

[muted holly]

you cant

he cancels so quickly

superman makes me want to uninstall ngl

this matchup is actually so much cancer

[calm herald]

I was hoping for the double van but then it fell

[boreal wharf]

Couldn’t get the double van off 💔

[calm herald]

I wouldve laughed

[muted holly]

i played a 30 minute set against a so called grandmaster just to lose because of poor balancing

[boreal wharf]

I’ve only done it once

Another Velma

Let’s assert dominance

[calm herald]

ANOTHER VELMA??

A rare sighting

[desert roost]

I do it all the time ion know bout that one

[muted holly]

do it against a grandmaster

"grandmaster" axcuse me he was absolute dogschijt

[calm herald]

That Superman just mashed

What the hell

[boreal wharf]

Yeah Superman needs to be nerfed lol

[calm herald]

I hate him and WW

And Joker

And Harley

[boreal wharf]

I’ll play one more

[calm herald]

Ight

[desert roost]

Plus its like the only option you have besides getting frozen @muted holly

Or just sit on a platform and wait for him to eventually stop. But also just get your teammte to run in and hit him

[muted holly]

1v1

not 2v2

you cant do anything

[calm herald]

Nice

[boreal wharf]

@calm herald good runs

[calm herald]

Ggs

[desert roost]

Oh! Well that's your problem right there. Why are you playing 1's darling. This is not a 1's character.

[calm herald]

Becausr we wanna build the Velma 1v1s meta

Maybe

Idk

[muted holly]

none should be

2v2 based game yk

[atomic otter]

Average Velma propoganda

Look at all those buffs

She’s high C now

Maybe Low b if you squint your eyes

[desert roost]

LMAO. Not she up there with Bat man no way

[hallow fractal]

So the buffed van

Once it grabs them is goes straight for off the Map lol

[desert roost]

I'm enjoying these momentum changes. Not gonna lie.

[hallow fractal]

Unless I'm just getting lucky

[desert roost]

As it should!

[muted holly]

van is buggier then ever

[hallow fractal]

Really

[tidal onyx]

Im liking Velma in 2s ngl

[hallow fractal]

I must be getting lucky

[muted holly]

it always teleports opponents back on stage when they struggle out

[tidal onyx]

I don’t think so

Tho idk im not having any problems with it rn

[muted holly]

ive had a morty teleport back on stage somehow 3 times in a set

1 time after he should have been rung out

[desert roost]

Downair into cd book I have been finding great success with it

[muted holly]

the dair fastfall is decent

[desert roost]

It's really good

I love it.

[muted holly]

the momentum is useless

[hallow fractal]

Yeah that does kinda suck

Nahhh

Lmfao this van is zooming

This is crazy

Also do yall know how many clues you have to collect to get van?

I feel like they are going to take van away from us

Cuz this is good

[muted holly]

i may or may not have just wiped the floor with the #1 jason

man had a 2 stock lead and started taunting

he got reverse 3-0d and got wooped the second match

[hallow fractal]

Nice

[desert roost]

https://old.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/comments/1f3nxl5/its_official_velmas_win_rate_has_hit_60/

We gotta start losing you guys.

On purpose!

[muted holly]

#clips message take notes kiddos

[desert roost]

Visual for momentum moves (the circle for dodge now sparkles)

[boreal wharf]

Velma actually feels somewhat decent in 2s

[desert roost]

She does! @boreal wharf

This momentum, stuff fireee

[wind arch]

is the game super laggy?

[boreal wharf]

Nah it’s not laggy but it is disconnecting every once in a while

[wind arch]

oh ok, thx

[desert roost]

Gray health perk is not worth the take btw.

[calm herald]

So at this point use the universal perk

[boreal wharf]

Why not?

[desert roost]

I think it's like 3 gray health and most moves in the game do more than that. Also, I'm not sure if it stacks with our perk when collecting evidecne

[boreal wharf]

It does not stack

[desert roost]

So it's not worth the slot.

[boreal wharf]

Damn I’ve done 428k damage on Velma I play her more than I should 💔

[hallow fractal]

Nice

[tidal onyx]

Is up special to down special into up air true or nah

Nvm 💔

[hot rivet]

So how y’all feeling. How this patch doing for Velma. I haven’t really played since the S2 mid season patch

[desert roost]

Downair buff is significant enough to use the move now

[hot rivet]

Ah. That’s at least good. I only stopped playing cause I didn’t like the air side special change cause it was a large part of my playstyle

Might try later see how Velma feels

[desert roost]

That's crazy. I've been in the lab doing combos and just coming up with stuff. Full calculated does 20 damage. Granted idk who you are hitting with that, but just letting ya know lol.

😩

[desert roost]

Van definitely functions better for taking people off the stage. Daphney be putting her foot in the floor to drive people off the stage @hallow fractal

[hallow fractal]

Lmao she really does. I say Fred, but i guess Fred wasn't driving good enough so she had to take over.

[desert roost]

I just say Daphney because I find it funnier 😂

Yeah they gonna nerf this van. I'm hollering @hallow fractal

[cursive tendon]

Wait, what’s all this Van talk

What I miss?

[desert roost]

Van being actually good and doing it's job!

[cursive tendon]

Really

[desert roost]

MMhmm!

[cursive tendon]

W Fred

I just realized I’m ranked 13th

🙂‍↕️

[desert roost]

Naw it's Daphney

Mmhmm

[cursive tendon]

🤭

[desert roost]

Also CD book into like them DIng out is a confirm up air at like 94-100%. Just have to watch their DI for punish option is all, but does set you up for the kill

You can also drift slighty backward with CD book to make it safer. But you have to fast fall then do the input / drift back

[desert roost]

CD Book 🙏 saving grace

[hallow fractal]

I really hope they dont

[hallow fractal]

Lol yeah it's funny

[hallow fractal]

Yeah im team daphne now

[desert roost]

OKAAAY! Daphney be doing the dang thing. She be putting her foot in the floor lol. Like we gotta goooo

[hallow fractal]

Lmfao PERIOD

She said the hell with all that jumping around Fred was doing.

[desert roost]

Lmao that part! She like Fred idk what you doing, lemme take the wheel

[vocal pulsar]

Sooo is velma really as bad as it looked on paper

I mean obv shes bad

But is it as bad as anticipated

The patch

[muted holly]

the van carries the character now

the momentum stuff feels kinda useless tho

[hybrid nymph]

OK yeah I'm also feeling that the van got shadow buffed

[muted holly]

Technically the van is doing what it's supposed to be doing now

[desert roost]

Momentum stuff is great for flash flash light approach and punish. Haven’t found the best use for megaphone or side air special yet.

[desert roost]

Is she a far cry from being dog water. Yes. Is she still low tier. Absolutely! Did she get some changes that make playing this character a little more bearable. Yes!

That down air buff now allows for better edge guarding and spiking it is a really good change. We still going to struggle that’s not a question. But we shall struggle a little less lol.

[muted holly]

ppg is immune to uspecial

nice

[desert roost]

Whatcha mean

[muted holly]

they just dont get ice stacks

[desert roost]

Van kills people at 40% now LMAO @muted holly

Velma can kill period

[muted holly]

as it should

[boreal wharf]

Yeah she’s still bad and loses a lot of matchups in the game but she’s been much better in 2s fs

[muted holly]

our good matchups got buffed into bad matchups

[desert roost]

You all just have to change your mindset of your win con

Get evidence get them above 40% = their stock.

While still having access to your other stuff

[boreal wharf]

Such as?

[boreal wharf]

Yeah I get van 2-4 times a game now but that only works so much

[muted holly]

garnet and stripe

[boreal wharf]

Oh yeah doesn’t garnet have a projectile shield now or something of the sort?

[muted holly]

yup

she didnt need that

she already had a fast projectile reflecting move

[desert roost]

I mean she still have other options, but that is a main win con for you outside of your other setups.

[desert roost]

I’m doing wonderfully! Lol just gotta change ya play style a tad

[hallow fractal]

Bruh I keep getting ppg teammates and they are throwing my games lol. Love them but dang

The getting rung out 3 times before my first lol

[atomic otter]

This new character is broken 😭 #combos message

[muted holly]

no need to tell me, i know that

[atomic otter]

Btw did Velma get new combo routes?

[hallow fractal]

So did Jason get Hella strong or am I trippin

[muted holly]

ofcourse not what do you expect

[atomic otter]

💀

[cursive tendon]

Is anyone else having issues with the server on mvs 🌚

[muted holly]

eu servers seem to be fine

[static willow]

Witch outfit has to be the best looking skin in the game right now

[muted holly]

i just had an iron giant survive my air uspecial unti 305%

what the f

[static willow]

Iron Giant is ridiculous

[muted holly]

should be disabled in ranked tbh

until they finally not make this character a mess

[peak halo]

that just can't happen

[muted holly]

it has to

that character is straight up unhealthy for the game

and since the patch his hitbox disjoints are even bigger

[muted holly]

this van teleporting bug has to get fixed

just lost a game because a ww teleported behind me with an instant air sspecial

[desert roost]

Don't que with radom folks on the game. Gotta go to competitve chat

[desert roost]

Depends whatcha looking for

[hallow fractal]

True

[muted holly]

i have secured my #1 spot again 🙂

[desert roost]

0 % - 29%

Jab > Jab > Jab = 10.7%

Down Tilt > DS(DC) > Side Air = 29%

Neutral special > down air > = 21%

40% - 68%

Neutral special > sair = 61 %

Neutral special > dodge cancel > down air > up tilt = 68%

Neutral special > dodge cancel > neutral air > = 62%

Neutral special > dodge cancel > side special > = 60%

[68% - 91%]

FF CD Down Special> Jump > CD Down special > dodge cancel up > up air = 91% = Kill if you read the DI correctly.

Kill Reads

CD Down Specials > Jump > Shutter Bug immediately > jump fast fall > up air = KILL (reads required)

Ultimately these are alternatives when the opening arises. Your game plan should be to acquire evidence as quickly as possible. Get the opponent to 40% or higher and use van to kill them. Hope this helps on

Is all that I have so far.

[muted holly]

heh

whats that supposed to mean

combo damage with flammable or..?

[desert roost]

Means that flammable doc burn has put them at a certain %

I'll just take it out

[muted holly]

im confused

[desert roost]

May not be too significant

[muted holly]

maybe my english is letting me down

idk

[desert roost]

It's flammable doc burns, but most of these are comobos from projectiles

So it places them at a certain percent to then do things at

[muted holly]

i just accept that i wont understand

[desert roost]

😭

What's the confusing piece

[muted holly]

english

[desert roost]

oooo

[muted holly]

english isnt my first language

nor my second

[desert roost]

essentially, yes this!

[muted holly]

aha thats what i needed to know

[desert roost]

Be mindful of CD book it has a pretty decent slide too it when used from fast falling

[muted holly]

wait im confused again, neutral special > sair for 61%???

yk what

i give up

[desert roost]

Yeah ^

Correct. You've got it! @muted holly

The = % is what percent they land at

[balmy valley]

I love playing a character who's attacks are slower and has worst hitboxes than almost all of the cast it's so fun

[muted holly]

I assume that that isn't from 0

[muted holly]

One day she will become good and that's the time we will shine

[desert roost]

Above the sections I have the percents where they work

[muted holly]

OK I actually give up trying to understand

I'll just continue my usual way of playing

[cursive tendon]

I’m the solo q Goat👽

[desert roost]

@muted holly So the %'s above the section is where the combos work

[muted holly]

Yea but then where does the 61% even come from 😭

Just make it how much damage they do, makes it a lot easier for a moron like me to understand

[desert roost]

Well think of it like that. The percent they end up at is how much it does.

[muted holly]

But where does it start???? A range is vague

[desert roost]

0 % - 29% First section of combos. Once the enemy reaches 40% it no longer works. Then you move to the next section of combos the 40% ones and then the next and repeat once you kill them.

40% - 68% -

[68% - 91%] -

@muted holly

[muted holly]

Is my English this bad or does is that just a weird sentence?

Might as well start explaining it in Dutch or French maybe my brain will work then 😭

[desert roost]

Sorry was in a match and trying to type fast lmao @muted holly

[muted holly]

Ahh

[desert roost]

I fixed it. Hopefully that makes more sense? @muted holly

[muted holly]

But jab jab jab works always?

[cursive tendon]

#combos

Did I Cook?😈

[muted holly]

For sure

But that can't be true right?

[cursive tendon]

No

Bro was mashing lol

[muted holly]

always the shaggy players...

[cursive tendon]

I wish Velma could do fun stuff like this

[desert roost]

Mmhmm yes it does. That's just where you start

[cursive tendon]

The character is so lame

Beta Velma had some sauce

I’m going to the lab

[muted holly]

I mean I am starting to use air sspecial more and it is leading into some, let's call it questionable but effective string routes

[desert roost]

Good!

It's good and leads to some great stuff

[muted holly]

It would be so good if something consistently combod into it

Or maybe if they fix this issue with the dodge cancel version

[desert roost]

91% it combos into up air but you gotta dodge cancel jump upward for it to land the up air

I have found that it does land with up air special. But you have to shutter bug immediately after the jump, like no chance for seeing with they do.

[calm herald]

Is it me or am I seeing more Velmas in 2s lately?

[desert roost]

Just you. I haven't ran into one yet. Lol @calm herald

[calm herald]

Ive seen two

[calm herald]

Make that three

[boreal wharf]

Yeah I’ve ran into a decent amount

[calm herald]

Make that four now lol

[dry fulcrum]

van feels significantly better and in the air she's more fluent, so although she's not moved up the tier list, she feels a lot better at least

[calm herald]

Yeah its more bearable

Hopefully midseason patch does something

[dry fulcrum]

the state this character is in where "it's finally more tolerable" is a glowing review

[calm herald]

Yeah maybe she can be a bit viable now

[calm herald]

Whats like a general strategy for Velma in 2s? Cause what I go for is if i'm in the back (my preferred spot) I spam the blurps on my teammate to get some early damage and play a midrange game with her so I can hopefully get in to combo

[cursive tendon]

She’s better in duos

[calm herald]

Now when im in the front I just jump and do a roundstart megaphone cause most of the time my opponent will just charge forward and I can catch them

[cursive tendon]

First you need a decent teammate lol

[calm herald]

Im mostly asking cause I wanna focus more on 2s this season

[calm herald]

Yeah I had a really good Steven earlier, was a pretty good comp

I also learned you can put a target on the Watermelom Steven to upgrade your blurps

[cursive tendon]

Play behind your teammate spam megaphone don’t over Extend to much oh yeah,,, & camera is a real good move in duos💯

She’s works the best with WW,Jason,Steven,Bugs,IG,Shaggy just to name a few

[calm herald]

Got it

[cursive tendon]

Any character that can frontline tbh

[calm herald]

I do like zoning teams with Velma

So i also like Marvin and Black Adam at times

[cursive tendon]

Velma & Marvin is annoying

😆

[ivory hatch]

Does the van still jump off the ledge?

When going against a character with a float ability, I don't even try to use the Mystery Machine lol

[boreal wharf]

Played a grandmaster duo consisting of lebron and Marvin actually might be the worst comp in the game

[cursive tendon]

I just played like three lebron’s today

[boreal wharf]

I genuinely don’t enjoy playing that character in twos like it’s so hard to do anything

I do wish pfg could find the balance between 1s and 2s for all characters tho😥

[cursive tendon]

Lebron is good in duos

[boreal wharf]

Beating the hell out of someone’s teammate and getting hit by a random ball

[cursive tendon]

Plus he can give he’s teammate a ball that can hit u

That buffed him too

[boreal wharf]

Certainly a fair ability fs

[cursive tendon]

Lebron is my kryptonite 😞 since the beta I just can’t seem to win

[calm herald]

Guys Lebron and Velma is secretly a good team comp

Like actually

[cursive tendon]

Nobody want to team with me😔

[desert roost]

Do you say you play Velma oooor do you say your rank

[cursive tendon]

🥲

[desert roost]

1. Use your blurb combos from 1v1's as I listed some above. They work the same in 1's and 2's.
2. Try to figure out your teammates combo route. Vertical or horizontal killer or if their moves send in either direction.
3. Cover what your partner cannot. Typically it's above them.
4. Same rules apply. Collect evidence, get van. Opponent will die if they are above 40%.
   Spawn evidence collect evidence.

I am strictly a 2's Velma, but I have been playing 1's to test out a playstyle and combos

[calm herald]

Honestly I dont know any character combos besides Velma's

[cursive tendon]

Yes😭

[desert roost]

I just say my rank and go from there.

I be like LFD NA Plat .

That's it lol

[cursive tendon]

I’ll try

[desert roost]

Also anyone who is judging you from your character is crazy. I always judge gameplay before character or rank. I'm plat 4 and I can assure you, I don't belong here. I def belong much higher lol.

But gaining 10 RP a game is tragic for a climb lol

[calm herald]

Im gonna focus 2s more and get to master there

[desert roost]

2's are bearable! Good luck on your journey 🙂

[calm herald]

Thanks!

[hybrid nymph]

So is the Studied perk (+1 clue on spawn) worth taking since the van is a real threat now?

[desert roost]

No @hybrid nymph

Gray health is still def way better

[boreal wharf]

That’s surprising I never have trouble finding teammates when I ask tbh

[calm herald]

People are very judgemental of what characger you play

I hate the people who ask "what character you play and what rank?" Like don't judge a book by it's cover, i'm not slandering you for playing Shaggy or Harley because I hate them am I?

[boreal wharf]

Yeah but I feel like people are mainly positive towards Velma players tbh

[desert roost]

Though what is it? Like 5 evidence required for van. It brings it down to 4? Mmmmmm. I could see the potential for it.

[boreal wharf]

I get invited quite frequently when playing pubs and ranked it’s also fairly easy for me to find teammates here

[calm herald]

I dont really have many friends rn to really get that

Mostly cause i'm not active in the competitive chat but now im going to be since im doing 2s now

[boreal wharf]

Find you a nice IG main

[desert roost]

I don't have a true static. But I generally just go to the lf comp chat and get someone

[calm herald]

And so far I went from bronze to silver 2

[calm herald]

Funnily enough i've never played with an IG

[boreal wharf]

I’m in plat rn need to climb up to masters

[calm herald]

Im gonna become one of the best 2s Velmas ever someday

Hopefully

[boreal wharf]

You got this!!!

[calm herald]

Honestly I think playing 1s for 2 seasons with Velma really helps me in 2s rn since I have a very good general idea of how she plays

So it was worth the pain of 1s lmao

[cursive tendon]

Great I finally get a decent teammate in the game crashes

Bruh

[hybrid nymph]

from 6 clues to 5 with Studied.

[muted holly]

studied aint really worth it

i have the motivation to grind out 1s this season but time is my issue now

school from 8 to 18 is harsh

[muted holly]

thats the spirit

[desert roost]

If your teammate collect evidence does that contribute to your van meter?

[desert roost]

Tested it out. It does

[calm herald]

Oh yeah it does, that's why the knowledge perk works on them as well when they collect a clue

I do wish they'd increase the grey health on that ngl

It feels...lackluster if i'm using the right word

[desert roost]

You're using the word correctly @calm herald

3 is a bit meh.

[hybrid nymph]

That's why I'm not really sold on it. It's kind of hard to gauge how useful it is in the moment

[calm herald]

Sometimes I just use the default perk for better defense overall

[desert roost]

Shoot might be better lol

I gotta see the number mitigation tho

[calm herald]

Go ahead

[boreal wharf]

Well it got nerfed like everything else in her kit unfortunately

[calm herald]

I dont see why considering it was 5 before and even then that STILL wasn't enough

Why can't we just stack the grey health in all honesty

[boreal wharf]

I guess it could be strong when you considered her other tools in the beta so I get the nerf but it could definitely be reverted fs

[muted holly]

grey health perk is the best perk for velma by a long shot tbh

its kind off a better version of the base perk

[ivory hatch]

Does the evidence progress begin to decrease once it goes past halfway of the gauge?

[muted holly]

nope

[calm herald]

I have no idea

Idk what that line is for

[muted holly]

the meter you mean?

[calm herald]

The line in the middle of it yes

[muted holly]

didnt know there was a line in the middle of that lol

[calm herald]

Its barely noticeable tbh

[hybrid nymph]

I just assumed it was to make it easier to count how many clues you need

[muted holly]

thats why i dont see it, i have bad sight

[soft harness]

I feel like her other perk (1 Evidence on Spawn) should be changed to something like getting evidence every 8 seconds or something

Or collecting Evidence reduces cooldowns by x

[muted holly]

that sounds like promoting camping

and that would be busted anyways

[muted holly]

game is fun when you cant kill jack

and its even more fun that he survives sair until 190 from center stage

[hybrid nymph]

So what Perk sets are you running? I have a general damage one, and a anti-armor one. What should the last be?

[desert roost]

What's your general damage one?

[hybrid nymph]

5%, Snowball, Speed, Pugilist. Nothing fancy

[calm herald]

Thats actually a pretty good perk set to use for damage

I've used it as well

[cursive tendon]

Knowledge is power, Flammable,last stand, blind spot

[calm herald]

Oh wait blind spot is good?

I havent tried it yet since I dont have enough for it

[cursive tendon]

Im testing it out

Doesn’t seem useful at the moment

But my main third perk is static electricity

[calm herald]

It may be useful for pur jab tbh

Since most times we'll be at mid-range

[cursive tendon]

What rank are all of you? I’m curious🙂‍↔️

[calm herald]

In 1s im bronze 3 because I dont care for ones rn and 2s im silver 2

Im already getting up ranks quick early this season so I may be high up there hopefully

I can barely gets 2s partners rn because people are judging me based on my rank

[cursive tendon]

Dang

Rank does matter tbh

[calm herald]

I guess but it is a new season as well so some people got pushed back down

[cursive tendon]

Some of these grandmasters players only got there bc their grinding all day

[calm herald]

Ah

[cursive tendon]

I would of been a masters if I had someone to play with 24 hours 😆

I’m about to pass u @desert roost 😂

[desert roost]

Idk, I'm only plat and I out class a lot of Masters I go against

[desert roost]

Oop on the 2's or 1's list?

[cursive tendon]

Dang, that Velma skin seems so far away lol

Duos

[desert roost]

I know. I'm honestly just going to just spend 20 bucks to get it LOL

[cursive tendon]

I’m never touching 1’s again after last season

I’m enjoying Duos more

[desert roost]

I touch one's to test out certain things

I don't have a consist static for 2's yet, which I am really seeking.

[desert roost]

Probably need to find a static with a mic

Too much goes into 2's that can't really be communicated on text

Some communicaitons are needed mid match

[cursive tendon]

Ahh

[ivory hatch]

Bro, I used Shutterbug twice at around 110 damage, and it still didn't KO

Is Velma supposed to be horizontal based?

[desert roost]

Yes

Shutter bug doesn't kill people until like 120 and that's light characters.

@ivory hatch

You're better off Fast Falling CD book > dodge jump > up air if you looking for something to kill around the 94% range

[ivory hatch]

The move is already hard to land as it is

[desert roost]

Shutter Bug? Yeah. Can't fast fall with it. Gotta fast fall then use it.

[ivory hatch]

Like her "Fast Thinker" and "Shutter Bug" are hard to land but those KO at high damage

[heavy mortar]

Either samurai jacks weird summon bug move is broken or Velma is the size of mars cause why am I getting hit with it from behind and above him when I’m nowhere near him

[desert roost]

🤣 I just spit out my water! Not the size of mars LOL.

Naw but that move is really big for like no reason.

I just seen a velma in casuals!

Oooo

First one I seen since the season started

[cursive tendon]

My game crashed like three times today

W

[desert roost]

Yo CD Book

W! Combo routes omg. It's whacky !

[cold chasm]

how tf u get out of the stupid car

once u get in ur just dead

wtf is this

[heavy mortar]

Mash buttons

[cold chasm]

that did not help

[heavy mortar]

Idk what to say then truthfully

I’ve seen people get out of van at like 130

[cold chasm]

it's not about the dmg

as soon as u get in the van

van goes offstage to sd

u just die

[heavy mortar]

That’s what it does lol

It isn’t supposed to stay with Velma or something

[cold chasm]

and that's just stupid and broken

if ur getting a free kill for everytime someone gets in ur van that's broken

[heavy mortar]

Yea well it’s hard to spawn it without getting interrupted and it knocks back far when hit by like anything

Just don’t get captured by it I guess

[placid idol]

The Van is really too strong now to get out of it, it's best to try and kick it offstage before it catch you. But to be fair, aside from that Velma doesn't have much to offer so just destroy the hint before she pick them and it should be fine

[heavy mortar]

That too actually

I’ve been seeing people go and destroy them now

[placid idol]

Yeah. If you destroy them she is harmless

[desert roost]

Counter play is destroying evidence, destroying the van if possible and there some other things. But those are the straightforward ones.

Old Van was extremely lack luster even at 80 percent or higher people could mash out of it and be perfectly fine.

Current Van no longer jumps but it does perform how it was intended. which is not to stall by jumping all around on the stage when someone is in it(which it used to do)

Current Van does kill you as early as 40%. If you get caught. Which I think is a fine trade off since…well Velma wasn’t killing pre 160 percent anyway and there are plenty of mages in this game that do.

Velma does double and sometimes triple the damage/work of her opponent to still lose. It’s insanity.

@placid idol

Velma also has like a 2% pick rate and a 60% win rate. It’s not because we cheesed people it was because we had to work with our terrible character and use our brains. That pick and win percent was before the Van patch. No one was complaining when she couldn’t kill…except Velma players ourselves. Gotta learn counter play and how to deal with stuff.(which I just gave you all the ways to deal with it)

[placid idol]

Indeed. She is also one of the only two characters not represented in top 100 (the other one being Beetlejuice).
Just in case, I'm also a Velma player so I know about how much effort it requires to win with her. But still, I can't help but feel like the Van change is too much and kind of a lazy buff

[desert roost]

Oop honestly MVS is going into maintenance today. They might just shadow nerf the van. Which will be extremely disappointing

[placid idol]

Ahah, I honestly don't see the Van remaining like this for a long time so maybe

[desert roost]

I honestly think 40% is generous. Possibly up it to 60%.

[placid idol]

Hopefully they make some deeper change to her moveset, at least have a few fast move maybe

[desert roost]

And that’s me being fair! Because there’s tons of ridiculous stuff in this game.

[desert roost]

No representation because she is that difficult to play with how bad her frame data is and the function / cohesiveness of her kit and moves.

I feel like it’s just deserve. I also believe it now’s functions as it was intended. Once someone was captured the van continued to jump up and down and go slowly off the stage. That just gives people more time to mash out of it. Not to mention it was extremely easy to mash out of.

I think Van has entered its “idk what to do with this move era” like iron giant rage mode. Where you just die. However, there is counter play to Van. People just don’t know it and that’s there problem not ours!

@placid idol 😂

If they shadow fix Van I’m going to be pissed! Because why did Jack get to keep his multi hitting long move for the rest of a season. But we can’t have this for a week!? It’s only been 3 days. Not enough people play Velma to even be annoyed by this van yet 😂😂

[placid idol]

Honestly that's her biggest strenght, that people don't know how to counter her. You're right, we should keep these informations for ourself ahah

[desert roost]

I was quite reluctant on giving it out tbh. I might just gate keep. But I guess where’s the fun in that?

Imma do it tho 🫢

[heavy mortar]

I think the maintenance is for bugs they wanna fix

Like the weekly challenges not showing up

[placid idol]

yeah let's keep sh*t for ourself (we will still get our a** kicked by Batman anyway)

[placid idol]

good to know then !

[desert roost]

FACTS! Actually I found some counter play to some of our problems

[heavy mortar]

I’m not sure if its actually for that I’m just assuming it is cause we’re missing out in a bunch of battlepass xp

[desert roost]

So Flash light and CD book are our least laggy moves and they both have some drift capabilities. CD book leads into a lot of stuff and it’s pretty disjointed enough to where it makes contact. Because she sticks her hand out. If you fast fall and use CD book you can then also pull backward if need be.

[muted holly]

knowledge is power, flammable, collateral damage, pugilist (armor killer against superman)

[desert roost]

Like go in the lab and just look at how you move on the ground. After you Fas Fall It’s pretty good! Forward and backward momentum

[placid idol]

yes I noticed that there were some stuff going on with these two moves, I need to try and use them more to see what is possible !

[muted holly]

huh we still have a move with backwards momentum?

[placid idol]

i'll do that, thanks for the tip

[desert roost]

I wish I could show yall

[muted holly]

show us

[desert roost]

lol is there like a Velma cord where we can join VC and I can stream?

[muted holly]

there is a velmacord, i dont think there is a vc tho

[placid idol]

(I can't believe a Velma cord actually exist)

I play on PS5 so I'll try it and clip

[muted holly]

its not the most active server thats for sure, but its still active

[placid idol]

(actually we can't send video here, I remember I tried before)

[desert roost]

Hmmm.

[muted holly]

you can kind off bypass that

[desert roost]

Are yall free for a Vc call?

👀

[muted holly]

sure

but remember, i dont speak english very fluent

[desert roost]

It's ok 🙂

@placid idol Wanna join too?

[placid idol]

sure, show us (I don't speak english at all either so I'll remain silent tough ahah)

[desert roost]

You can type if you have questions if you don't feel confident ❤️

[muted holly]

may i ask what language you speak then?

[placid idol]

french, you?

[muted holly]

dutch and a bit of french

[placid idol]

That's cool !

[desert roost]

Accept friend request 🙂 @placid idol

Yay!

[ember horizon]

do we have frame data for the startup of CD book?

just wondering how much faster it is than flashlight

should probably be using it to whiff punish more now that it has dodge momentum

[desert roost]

Mmmm. I haven’t found any frame data on anything yet. That would be nice to know though. Frankly I use them both. I just Flash light at lower percents more. Then I alternate between book and flashlight at like mid(70%) to higher percents

But for a whiff punish tool it’s good as well. It kind of lingers too

[calm herald]

Actually what is Velma's fastest move??

[muted holly]

book/(cd)book

[hybrid nymph]

Since van is getting complaints:

• Prevent van from spawning by destroying clues or killing Velma.
• Hit the van during the summon animation.
• Hit the van with projectiles or spaced disjoints.
• Jump offstage to make a chasing van kill itself.
• Stay on platforms since van can't jump.

[muted holly]

people who complain about van should consider uninstalling ngl

if you cant counter that you're horrible

[ember horizon]

offstage is most reliable, if you camp on ledge the van will literally end itself

[hybrid nymph]

Fail every step of countering it, complain when it kills you because what were you supposed to do about it?

[cursive tendon]

Good morning 😁

Buff Van

[muted holly]

it isnt even morning 😭

[cursive tendon]

😂Ik

[hybrid nymph]

Unfortunately yeah, Velma doesn't have strong enough tools to really punish players for doing this so Van is gonna be useless against the decent-good players once they learn this.

[cursive tendon]

Make the animation for the mystery machine faster like the beta

[ember horizon]

ye most top tiers have good upairs and can camp ledge

[muted holly]

most characters even have a 0ko move against van

[ember horizon]

womp womp

honestly they should rework van to not be such a noobstomper and actually provide value at higher mmr

maybe just better tracking but it knocks people back instead of catching them? more like a normal projectile

[hybrid nymph]

Make it a close range grab like the supers in Nick Brawl 2.

[muted holly]

they should make it so it doesnt follow offstage, make it kill a good bit later but have pickup damage again

[cursive tendon]

Make it do 30 damage if the opponent gets caught

[ember horizon]

i just find the duration of it to be a bit hard to balance

in 2s a teammate can accidentally hit the van and send it careening offstage

[hybrid nymph]

Or maybe just give up on van being a "character" and just turn it into a high KO power projectile that comes out fast like Samus charge shot.

[ember horizon]

regardless of duration

like I'd rather not have these outlier early kills with van that get clipped and outraged over twitter

[ember horizon]

id like that a lot

even if it's more boring

[cursive tendon]

Remember when camera had weakened lol

[muted holly]

they should add that back ngl

we need it desperatly

[cursive tendon]

Fair considering camera is slow

Some characters get weekend slacks for free

[hybrid nymph]

I respect the attempt to make Van unique, but I think summoning an NPC has its issues. It's fine for Steven since his NPC is low investment, but for Velma the investment is so high and the results range from useless to an instant kill. It's kind of too extreme of a payout to leave in the hands of NPC AI I think.

[ember horizon]

agreed, I think watermelon Steven fills that annoying but nonlethal niche pretty well and I wouldn't want van to be treated the same way

so a heavy hitting projectile seems like the way to go if we wanna keep the lethality of current van

also a move like samus charge shot has way more skill expression than van

could make for some saucy reads

[hybrid nymph]

that too

[muted holly]

bad ptach again

they buffed batman

[ember horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

buffed batman

[heavy mortar]

Maybe they could make van respawn once if someone makes it go off stage but that might be too op

But then maybe they could nerf it somehow by making it move slower or something

[placid idol]

Any tips for Taz? I feel like even against a bad one there isn't much I can do against him

[muted holly]

you cant do a lot against him

small characters generally are a huge problem

[cursive tendon]

Jump off the map

[desert roost]

LMAO! I know you are so serious, but it sounds funny to say.

[cursive tendon]

Small characters 🙂‍↕️

[placid idol]

Well, thanks for the advice I guess, I'm not sure about this but I guess I'll try jumping off the map and see 😭

[desert roost]

Personally I try to catch him jumping with Flash light or CD Book.
If he wants to land on me up tilt them. If they dog Pile Megaphone beats that.

[cursive tendon]

^

[placid idol]

You know I've played SF5 during its worst period and even then I don't think there was a matchup that was as unfair as Velma v. Superman in multiversus

[muted holly]

velma into anything is unfair atm

we have no good matchups

[placid idol]

The day devs will hear about whiff punish, this game will become fantastic. So many characters can throw moves without thinking and you can't punish them in any way because recovery is instant. I thought this was the most basic of basics for a fighting game, but I guess I was wrong

[muted holly]

once we have some decent framedata people will complain again because they get outskilled

and then we get nerfed again for no reason

mark my words

[placid idol]

Btw, do you have good Velma combo to recommend ? I can't find anything that connect properly anymore, this is so tiring, opening defense requires so much effort and I can't deal more than a few hits, meanwhile everytime I do one mistake I take a 70 damage combo

[muted holly]

you dont really have combos, on velma you rely on strings and reads

but there are a few you can use

[ember horizon]

your damage is from ignite

not so much combos

[placid idol]

Well I won't lie this is kinda disappointing to hear

[muted holly]

kinda outdated
kill confirms (rough kill% on shaggy)
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > utilt (160) (inconsistent)
jab1>2>3 (180)
air uspecial > uair (70-80) (fully DIable, use it as a DI check)
iad (cd)dspecial > uair (140)
dtilt > charge uair (130)
bubble > uair/utilt (130-150)
bubble > air sspecial (130-140)
bubble > air uspecial (110-120)
bubble > sair (160-170)
bubble > (cd)dspecial > uair (around 110-120) (hold forward momentum from (cd)dspecial

general damage building combos
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > nair (DI check, can be DIed out and up, highest damaging option out of (cd)book)
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > uair (for when your opponent tends to DI up often)
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > air sspecial (for when your opponent tends to DI down/neutral/in)
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > (cd)dspecial > uair (also for when your opponent tends to DI down/neutral/in, but less consistent and stops working at a certain %)
jab1>2 > dspecial > dodge cancel jab1>2 > (cd)dspecial > ... (best thing to use your off cooldown book on, you can only connect that second jab with off cooldown book, not with (cd)book)
dtilt > uspecial > tech chase sair > dash attack (requieres a tech read, opponent needs to not DI up, dash attack only connects at lower %s)

some untrue combos / strings / dodge reads
utilt > air sspecial (some characters can hit you before your air sspecial comes out)
air sspecial > air sspecial (burns your air specials so only use this if your nearly 100% sure you know where they will dodge
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > bubble > ... (you need to delay the bubble or it will get inactivated by a dodge, can lead back into jab if they dont dodge up)
air uspecial > dair/sair (mainly used when your opponent DIs air uspecial > uair)
dair > dtilt > jab1>2 > ...

some sketchy ways to apply mark
sair > mark bubble
(cd)dspecial > mark bubble/jump mark bubble

[placid idol]

Thanks, I'll try all of this. I think I need a lot more training, I can't f.cking win anything in ranked, even when I feel like I've played well

[muted holly]

feel free to send me recordings of some games, ill gladly take a look at it and help out

[placid idol]

Thanks dude. I think I'll record a few games tomorrow when I have cooled off a little, I'm probably too tilted to think and play well now

[placid idol]

(I can't believe I just beat a f.cking Diamond V player while being silver and especially after the loosing streak I had today. I should go sleep on that win )

[muted holly]

i should be hitting masters tomorrow

[hybrid nymph]

going against WW+Jack makes me want to uninstall

[muted holly]

Relatable

Hopefully the pain is over at midseason

[placid idol]

Would you say a spot in the top 100 seems reachable for you or not really?

[muted holly]

I have the skill to get there, time might become a problem because school sucks up a lot of my time

[placid idol]

I see, yeah I can imagine reaching top 100 requires a lot of time. Well as much as I would enjoy seeing a Velma in top 100, don't go and ruin your school year for this game ahah

[muted holly]

I have my priorities, there is 1 other Velma player capable of reaching grandmaster tho

[placid idol]

That's good to hear then ahah

[ember horizon]

have you noticed changes in rp gains/losses?

since they supposedly reworked them

[muted holly]

Losses are better until now, gains are still terrible

[heavy mortar]

Has a Velma ever been in top ten

Excluding beta

Atp it feels like every character will be besides her

[boreal wharf]

She’s not a character meant to be top 10 or even good

[hallow fractal]

And what led you to that conclusion?

[boreal wharf]

Over 40 nerfs to the character from the start of beta to release also complaining from the community

[hallow fractal]

To them I say booooooooo

Lol

[boreal wharf]

I mean people already complaining about van we can’t have anything nice

[hallow fractal]

They just have beta ptsd

They need to get over it

I'm tired of our character being worse so they can sleep better at night lol

[boreal wharf]

She wasn’t even that good towards the end of the beta so continuing to nerf her is kinda crazy

[hallow fractal]

THAT PART

[calm herald]

What I try to do is set up blurps a lot on him and use megaphone at mid range since both nullify his spin and his fight cloud attacks and those are both big parts of his kit along with the moves that give him his little food debuff thing but those moves are tougher to deal with even with range

[muted holly]

technically yes, i peaked #2 on day 1 of s3

[muted holly]

im very close to masters now, cant finish it yet because i have to make a lab report

[vocal pulsar]

I miss when velma was broken tbh

It was just so funny seeing this character that u would never even expect to be in a plat fighter

Be one of the most broken

Nostalgia fr ngl

I dont miss the beta tho yuck

K maybe I do

But still worse than now

[muted holly]

beta was a mess

[placid idol]

I still have an old playable version of the beta on my computer which I play from time to time. Even if it wasn't perfect it was fun and fast, you could just play the game with your brain off, rush your opponent and throw punch randomly.

When I started playing this new version about a month ago I was shocked at what it has become. We went from a fun and fast game to a slow and heavy game that try to be street fighter (and fail miserably)

[muted holly]

the game had to be slowed down thats for sure, did they make it to slow? probably but i guess it can work if they reward agression properly and give less power to passive play

[placid idol]

I think the main problem is they never really take a decision about either making this game competitive or fun, I guess they have tried to do both as much as trying to balance the game in both 1v1 and 2v2 which honestly seems way to difficult to even try

[muted holly]

i guess they are going the competetive route now, they have announced tournaments and will support community tourneys

[placid idol]

Good, hopefully they make change accordingly in gameplay

[muted holly]

their changes are good in theory, but in practice they dont change anything

[placid idol]

I feel like one of the reasons it will be difficult to make it competitive is because each new character comes with his own set of rules. There is no ''common'' rules that apply to all characters. Many has a very creative moveset and that's great but that makes it very difficult to turn that into something competitive. How are you going to make this game competitive when you have a character that is the size of all a stage, and another one that can fly?

[muted holly]

giant is banned in most tourneys for a reason

[placid idol]

What I mean by ''common'' rules, to give an example in street fighter each character has three punches and three kicks, a drive impact and drive rush. So even if some characters feel weaker in reality they are all playable in higher level because they all have the same tools

[placid idol]

Honestly having to ban a character in tournament is kinda sad

[muted holly]

street fighter isnt a platform fighter, keep that in mind

[placid idol]

Of course, but the direction their taking make me feel like they are trying to turn the game more and more into something like sf

[muted holly]

ehh i dont think so

but i havent played sf so idk

they are fundamentally very different anyways

[placid idol]

To me they aren't that different, of course there isn't platform in sf and you handle space very differently, but they follow some similar principles, even if I just think multiversus is doing it very poorly

[muted holly]

combat is very different no?

like combos here can take you across the stage while in sf you kinda stay in place

[placid idol]

The stage in sf is a lot shorter but combo can take you across the stage, also being brought into a corner in sf often mean death so it's a big part of the gameplay to not get stuck here and to force your opponent to go there (which you can sometime force with some combo)
Combo work differently in both game as in SF you try to open your opponent defense to then enter the longest combo possible with the resource you have. Well, in theory Multiversus should be doing the same but since they change random stuff on every moves each patch they kind of break combo on accident, so some character endup having very long combo when other have pretty much none

[muted holly]

shorter combos usually have something to compensate that tho

like we would have great projectile game and zoning capabillities if we had the framedata

something like banana has high damage output to compensate

etc

[placid idol]

honestly I feel like my opinion on MVS is probably inaccurate as I play Velma who kind of seems to be outside the game rules

[muted holly]

velma follows the same rules

we just dont have the framedata to make it work

if that makes sense

[placid idol]

it does it does

btw is there like a sheet with all frame data somewhere ?

[muted holly]

not that i know off

[hybrid nymph]

It is generally easier to have a more balanced roster when the system mechanics are very strong, but it also makes characters less unique.

Obviously MVS has a lot of its balance and design issues, but I appreciate that PFG even made Iron Giant a big character to begin with and is trying to make it work. That's not something any other plat fighter has ever done (that I know of).

[desert roost]

They may have to shrink him. 😭😭

[muted holly]

almost hit masters, then lost 28 against a camping finn

nice game pfg

[ember horizon]

did they break unranked matchmaking

i was on like a 10 game win streak and noticed my opponents weren't getting better, so i ended up playing a lot more and now im at like a 40 game win streak and still fighting bronzes and silvers

💀

[desert roost]

Velma's jab has to be the legit slowest in the game and has so much lag time in between the succession of the moves.

[dry fulcrum]

her jab is so unreliable i've started to just use down tilt in most situations outside of needing an immediate option in approaching. at least down tilt can lead into funny follow up on a read

[ember horizon]

its still her best grounded whiff punish

dtilt has too much startup

[dry fulcrum]

well yeah, thats its main use for me, i mainly mean down tilt is better in a lot of niche cases that i used to use jab for

[ember horizon]

ah yeah, if you mean dodge reads then fair enough

[muted holly]

jab1>2 isnt even consistent btw

[ember horizon]

dtilt gives you a lot more

[ember horizon]

its so sad

i wish jab 1 sent inwards like joker

[heavy mortar]

I’ve had people dodge out of it cause of how slow it is I’m not even joking

[muted holly]

im actually quitting if midseason patch is bad again

[boreal wharf]

You might be quitting then 😭

[muted holly]

so be it then

wont put myself trough more torture

[heavy mortar]

“Due to complaints of Velma we have nerfed the speed of speech bubbles”

That’s gonna be the mid season patch

[muted holly]

and then people will claim they actually listen to their community

[heavy mortar]

Like what

I swear every character needs an ambassador cause they just don’t listen

[muted holly]

only wonder woman has representation

[heavy mortar]

That one dude

[muted holly]

and that reflects itself in the balancing

[heavy mortar]

And he’s probably why she isn’t getting nerfed

We really need someone to speak up for her

The amount of times I’ve hit bulb and it doesn’t register today is insane

I feel the vibration and see the screen shake

[muted holly]

i would take that role on me if they were to actually do that

[heavy mortar]

Do ambassadors?

[muted holly]

yea

[heavy mortar]

It should really be you cause you know pretty much everything about her and what she needs

But they wouldn’t do that cause only ww is allowed to have one apparently

[boreal wharf]

She’s a perfectly balanced character since Nakat is whispering in their ears

[heavy mortar]

Im so close to messaging Ajax on twitter begging for real Velma buffs or just people to represent the characters oml

[calm herald]

Beta laser returns

One thing I do miss about Velma is the little animation she had in beta when throwing out the "hey!" Projectile

[boreal wharf]

Ajax will then post a Velma gif teasing buffs then we will get more movement changes!!!

[calm herald]

They completely removed that animation and I miss it

[heavy mortar]

Lmao he has to stop that it was nice at first cause we thought they were being serious but now it’s just annoying

“You’ll want to play ms dinkley this season too!”

She gets a buff that’s not just for her like omg lol

[calm herald]

Holy crap I forgot that down tilt actually use to be a useable move https://youtu.be/Lj57ZtjRUP8?si=rJkIrGOGoCQc3Yd3

Like compare this video to how Velma is now and it's just..sad

[heavy mortar]

Yea

[boreal wharf]

Literally everything was better

[heavy mortar]

The old “hey” animation was nice but she looked confused doing it

[boreal wharf]

Yes she needed nerfs but they’ve nerfed every part of her kit

[heavy mortar]

They could atleast add a game mode called “beta versus” or something and literally make it beta

[calm herald]

I liked the old hey animation

[boreal wharf]

If they did that then it would be a problem for them if more people started playing that lol

[heavy mortar]

It would probably bring back old players

Like 1% of old players

[boreal wharf]

I’m personally happy with the gameplay changes but the nerfs and buffs are kinda outrageous

[heavy mortar]

Yea like the speed change and whatever is alright but Jesus they annihilated her

[boreal wharf]

PFG is scared to give her more meaningful buffs after the beta

[heavy mortar]

That’s why they need an experimental mode just to test things

[boreal wharf]

They need more community managers also

[heavy mortar]

Aren’t there like 2

Or 3

[boreal wharf]

Yeah they need good ones

[heavy mortar]

Fire the ones rn and get people who actually had this job before multiversus

[boreal wharf]

Yeah they should just pay people to do it so it’s not biased tbh

[calm herald]

They broke thos character

[heavy mortar]

The thing is

Why don’t they just get top players to test new things

Just ask them to volunteer

[boreal wharf]

DC characters are literally amazing rn tho 🔥