Velma

[manic fern]

Yeah, enemies with projectile shields are really annoying, since Velma's bubbles seem to have really low priority. A spamming Rick completely stopped me from being able to use them at all, since the initial shout kept dissipating.

(I don't know why that isn't just invincible, it doesn't even do damage)

[muted holly]

bubbles are absolutely unusable

[manic fern]

Hard to carry random teammates when I'm somehow getting outranged (or outframed) every single time I try to jab anybody 😔

[muted holly]

side air special is actuallt pretty good now

is great for aproaching honestly

[dapper quest]

erm what yall actually think of the velma changes

i dont play her but i see a lot of nerfs there

[muted holly]

garbage patch

we got nerfed by things that were supposed to be buffs

[dapper quest]

thats rough

idk why they nerfed her at all ''strong projectile game'' lmao

[muted holly]

they made a zoner that pulls opponents inwards

make that make sense

[dapper quest]

like i think batman has better projectile game with his whole singular projectile

[muted holly]

bubbles are just horrible now

jumping is enough to stall them out

[manic fern]

She was annoying to fight against in 2s since it meant you got interrupted a lot while trying to fight her partner, and if she was in a duo, she usually went with a rusher or tank as her partner. So I'm not surprised they decided she had a "strong projectile game."

Might be a hot take, but things were already going in this direction when they turned megaphone into what it is now. Besides book, her projectile startups are just as slow as Reindog's are (and Reindog basically plays melee now, too).

[muted holly]

she has comparable frame data to iron giant

[desert roost]

Without the massive hit-boxes to compensate.

[muted holly]

fun fact: jab1>2 > utilt is still dropping on small characters

that hitbox buff didnt do anything

[manic fern]

I am able to land up-tilt by itself more consistently on grounded enemies (I think), but mid-combo? Heck no. I wish she flew forward on up-tilt regardless of whether you charged or not, so that would actually land.

[cursive tendon]

Jab 1 up tilt

[hallow fractal]

So we just gonna stay in hell lol

Seems they don't want her to be good

Idk

We still being punished for her supremacy in the beta lol

[muted holly]

rick is allowed to keep his 50 damage combo but our 20 damage that we could use once per minute was too much

[patent plinth]

I haven't been keeping up, but did the new patch help her at all?

[muted holly]

it made her worse

our combos are just gone

[patent plinth]

Welp, thought I'd turn on the game today, but guess I'll wait for now

[peak halo]

velma doesn't feel any better

other than her faster jabs

does jab jab combo into down tilt now?

[muted holly]

not even close

[manic fern]

I don't think she should be forgotten that fast. This chat's in a pessimistic state right now, but there very well might be something there with her new down-special. And everyone agrees her new side-special is an upgrade.

jab 2 -> down-special seems to be the way to go pretty much every time now, unless they're hugging you close enough for an up-tilt

[muted holly]

her new side special is better for offence but it took away out abillity to recover somewhat safely

[peak halo]

she has a 60 to death true combo

idk if it's di dependent

[manic fern]

It would be better if it comboed in down-attack, but the down-special damage isn't bad, since it procs flammable for the follow-up hit

[peak halo]

#combos message

I think jab 2 into dair is true now too

[manic fern]

The 60-D combo might be true. I'm not 100% sure on how much you can DI the down-special.

[muted holly]

it definetly isnt

[atomic otter]

Even though I don’t main Velma I am personally loving the buffs

You guys should praise the developers a lot more. For example take the downspecial Buff, now you guys got a mini back up move 😅

[peak halo]

it is sometimes, 50+ damage

[peak halo]

they're not all that good in my opinion

[manic fern]

It's not a backup move lol. I thought it was from reading the patch notes, but the range on the move is so short, the book barely leaves her hand.

It's a good combo move, though, and I'm not sure the combos are intentional XD
Since they make the move better than her actual book projectile. You have to purposely throw the book out just so you can use the combo-book and get better damage, it's weird.

[atomic otter]

She got a bunch of buffs are necessary bugfixes/nerfs. I think that developers definitely pushed the less fortunate characters like Velma, garnet and LeBron up by a lot.

I am a bit sad my main got nerfed tho, but it’s better for the meta

[manic fern]

Idk about Garnet, but Lebron just got one of his previous nerfs reversed. He's still hit pretty hard by the auto-tech mechanic.

[atomic otter]

Don’t forget about LeBron jab 1x into jab2x

Now it’s less likely to drop which is soo much better

[atomic otter]

Also the auto tech mechanic had to be done, unfortunate some characters had to be affected by this

[manic fern]

(I never dropped Lebron's jab 1 to jab 2 pretty much ever against anyone, so I have no idea what that change was about, personally)

[manic fern]

It didn't really need to be done, and it's a weird implementation since it affects some characters disproportionately more than others, but that's not really a convo for this channel. Velma doesn't care about auto-tech lol.

[muted holly]

it was targetted towards some characters i think, superman for example with his stupid loop

[peak halo]

someone found a true velma zero to death

[manic fern]

That's what I think, too. I'm not a fan, personally.

[desert roost]

I am home and off work. Time to see what's it giving.

[peak halo]

#combos message

[vocal pulsar]

Thats actually insane

[desert roost]

That's cute!

[misty dew]

ooooo

[desert roost]

@muted holly Yeah so I've been in the lab for a few it's honestly just frame data at this point. Like potientally give her tools for combos but not the frame data to execute them?

[atomic otter]

Nah it’s works in di away too

This character gonna get hotfix

[manic fern]

@peak halo posted a second video, it kills at 10 rather than 0 if they DI away (at Shaggy's weight anyway)

[atomic otter]

They don’t playtest their characters wtf

[manic fern]

Of course, to land any part of that combo, you first have to land a jab 😅

[atomic otter]

How come a dev never thought of downspecial into downspecial

Random ahh patchnote and no testing ahh

[manic fern]

They probably did, who knows? This is what I was talking about with auto-tech, though, it doesn't affect ladder combos.

[desert roost]

Because this is what happens when you try to change a support/mage into a bruiser. As I see it velma is in limbo and they can't figure out where they want her to be. Which is why something like that exists.

[atomic otter]

Yea they did but not enough

They need to get pros to playtest

Because I don’t believe this

[vocal pulsar]

Velma looks pretty good now

Haven't had the chance to play yet

But looking alright

The 0td 💀😭

[atomic otter]

If that combo jennette did was 100% true even on down and up Di y’all are cooked

Or they gonna do same move lockdown what they did with Arya

[manic fern]

Was gonna say, they're probably just going to do that. Give Velma yet another slow move.

[vocal pulsar]

Im guessing theres gonna be a bunch of hotfixes lmao

Even for stuff like beetlejuice loop

[peak halo]

#clips message

[manic fern]

He must have been happy about that one lol

[atomic otter]

Is beetlejuice loop true?

[vocal pulsar]

Not sure I just saw the clip of it

[atomic otter]

Like dodge away after hitstun

[vocal pulsar]

Mann what did I say velma mains

I said she'd get massive changes

Now she has a 0td 😭

[atomic otter]

#clips message
Bro it’s broken gang

[lament tusk]

Brings a whole new meaning to hittin the books

[desert roost]

I'm screaming

She still does not feel great at all. She feeling kinda worse. But imma play for a couple more days and adapt and see what I really think.

[misty dew]

I just had a that's so raven type vision where pfg like super overreacts to this and gives her cooldown move cooldown lmao

[muted holly]

Btw is it just me or are bubble paths even worse then before?

[misty dew]

no yeah they feel awful

[muted holly]

They are crashing into the ground so much all of a sudden

[misty dew]

also still feels like they're aiming at feet

exactly lmao

[desert roost]

Mmm mine don't feel like that. I feel they are far more consistent with aiming atht eh mid body rather than just standing next to someone and it hitting the floor.

Let's give it an honest week guys before we really write everything off. 😄

[muted holly]

Looked to me that they were taking wider turns and therefor crashing into the ground alot

Hm fair enough

[tidal onyx]

Lol just found out you gain rank if ur opponent leaves after 1 match

Unless that was my opponent dcing

[muted holly]

Conceding is broken, makes both sides lose rp sometimes

They can't make their game work properly for once

[desert roost]

I understand the wanting to concede aspect because if you are getting stomped you don't want to get stomped twice. However, it also promoted thinking and competitive spirit. Like you should adapt figure out what's going wrong and then implement it. Everyone wants to just give up feels just like casuals. No one ever wants to run the set.

[muted holly]

Idk but I don't want to rematch finn

Ain't dealing with that

[desert roost]

Bwhaha of course.

[muted holly]

He still stupidly broken

Just no 0tds every second

[peak halo]

so after a few games I think down special works best if you dodge book after the grounded book

so jab jab book jab jab book dodge forward book book dodge up air

[manic fern]

Anyway, seems my work here is done. Back to Lebron 👍

[vocal pulsar]

If they dont take away ur 0td then get ready for ppl to come here and complain lmaoo

[muted holly]

We getting gutted again at this rate 🔥

[vocal pulsar]

Ermmm velma is broken delete her

Ermmm

How the tables have turned

[muted holly]

We'll probably have this for 2 weeks btw

Maybe 1

[peak halo]

does arya still have her double up special?

[muted holly]

I hope not

And I doubt it, that was beyond broken

[desert roost]

I just wish they gave her better frame data to hit stuff. That's all. Like bump everything else.

[atomic otter]

Thank you @peak halo 🙏🙏🙏

[muted holly]

We were so close to having a good Character, then they changed everything

[desert roost]

No facts! If they just gave her better frame data, fixed blurbs, and added the hitbox on her body for up tilt. I woulda been fine

[muted holly]

Call me crazy but if they gave just dash attack better frame data, we would have been a lot better then this entire mess

[peak halo]

#clips message

also it seems like it works best at around 45

[misty dew]

literally all she needs is moves with comparable frame data to the rest of the cast, why is that so hard for them to do lol

[muted holly]

We are comparable with iron giant

[misty dew]

great company to have lmao .

[muted holly]

Just so you know, side special has 38 startup frames for minimal charge

[peak halo]

safe to say everyone should only go for the down special combos

otherwise there are no combos

[muted holly]

Might be time to bind dspecial

Fastfalling makes it hard

[misty dew]

yeah that's kinda been the plan recently lol

[vocal pulsar]

Better than before tho right? Asking cause I haven't played yet

A win is a win fr

Bro that 0td I cant

Its so funny

Velma is the last character I thought would get one

A true one at that

[peak halo]

also down air after jab 2 is true at around 50 damage

[misty dew]

you can also do jab1 -> jab2 -> cdbook ->jump -> cdbook -> jump -> up special at slightly higher percents

[muted holly]

Just dair or iad dair?

[misty dew]

kills Jason at like 80 and is a little easier

[peak halo]

dair

[muted holly]

I'm having a feeling this is getting patched before I wake up

[peak halo]

#combos message

[peak halo]

nonsense you need to use your brain for velma there's no way they kept everything else but are going straight for velma's head

[desert roost]

Period.

[muted holly]

It's still pfg yk, they would be the ones to pull something like that

[atomic otter]

Must be on purpose, there’s no way they didn’t think of it.

[muted holly]

They don't playtest

That's for sure

[peak halo]

bettlejuice has an infinite

[warm lily]

I’m not surprised

(And I’ve already seen it)

[atomic otter]

Yea that’s bs

All these things are so easy

That had to have known

If players are finding infinites 1 hour after beetlejuice release. Your whole team is a joke

It’s a policy to make characters broken for multiversus

[desert roost]

Absolutely. They have to be broke on release or no one will play them 🤣. But I'm waiting for the wicked witch of the west.

[hot rivet]

example and proof was marvin. People played him on release in beta. Realized he wasnt strong. People stopped playing him. (though now its a different story cause people are constatnly playing him)

[calm herald]

So 1 2 jab into CD book into side air special seems true

At lower percents that is

[hot rivet]

Yeah... imma just not play this... what were they thinking with velma. Maybe theres something Im not getting but most of this just sucks. What was the point in air side special changes? Legit just added a ton of whiff, decided making it send backwards so now it cant kill at the top as well (not like it was any good). They removed our main combo jab jab book jab jab which could only be used once a minute and a half and idk about anyone else but it just feels like everything got slightly added whiff. Meanwhile, Joker and Rick gets to still have strong combos

[orchid rampart]

yay velma is going up half a tier ig

[atomic otter]

Cheesy tier

[calm herald]

Shes going into Z tier

[orchid rampart]

Doubles-only character tier

I feel like she is a bit better on 1v1s but she still sucks

[calm herald]

Shes always sucked

Well on release

[atomic otter]

Idgaf when she can kill people on 50 using downspecial twice true

[calm herald]

Btw Rick has a TOD now

[atomic otter]

Probably diable

[calm herald]

Or at least ive only heard of this now

[calm herald]

Tried but I got stringed into two side airs and died

I only survived once because he screwed the combo up

[atomic otter]

Might sound weird but this game think that just because a character takes skill means they should get crazy combo game

[calm herald]

...wheres our combo game then?

[atomic otter]

I don’t care how much skill Rick takes being in a combo for longer than 8 seconds is crazy

[atomic otter]

The few combo game y’all got is gonna get patched

[calm herald]

Watch were about to get no combos at all

One hit only

[atomic otter]

Well atleast double downspecial

You will have other stuff

[calm herald]

I was labbing a 1 2 jab into cb book into side air special which seems good

Trying to see if I can follow up on anything after that

Closest ive gotten was sair after sair special

[calm herald]

So I just realized they shadow nerfed the target duration for speech bubbles again

[peak halo]

it's written in the patch notes

[warm lily]

Velma seems slightly better

But not that much better

[calm herald]

I never saw a mention of neutral special

Or wait

Nvm

I forgor

[warm lily]

Ok people hitting the mystery machine as they get captured which launches the van with them in it off stage will never not be funny

[peak halo]

she is but her only combo option can also zero to death

[latent gyro]

Does jab true combo into down attack now?

[peak halo]

no

[latent gyro]

Bruh

[desert roost]

She was already a doubles only character honey bun. Some of you were just being a bit delusional playing her in 1's 🤣

[calm herald]

Wait what combo?

[peak halo]

book into book into book into up air

[carmine dune]

don’t forget the jab to start it

[cursive tendon]

What does Concede do?

[desert roost]

You forfit and go back to the lobby

[warm lily]

If you concede after a win, it instead counts as if you lost 2 games instead

It seems like the system is there for people to quit in the event of an unwinnable game

[cursive tendon]

I see

Thanks!

Jab up tilt doesn’t work on morty

[warm lily]

Morty can also crouch to just avoid speech bubbles

[cursive tendon]

I hate it here

You lose 30!!!

[hybrid nymph]

honestly Velma doesn't feel very different so far :T

[atomic otter]

☠️☠️

[hybrid nymph]

It's silly how scared they are of outright buffing her with no caveats when Adam and Morty are right there getting away with far more annoying zoning than Velma can ever hope for.

[muted holly]

the true 0td is definetly DI-able

[atomic otter]

I will continue spreading propaganda

[dapper quest]

so they gave her the finn and joker 0td that can be dıed off of jab wahoo

[atomic otter]

L Velma mains

[vocal pulsar]

Bro what is this 0td that everyone is talking about I've never heard of it

Must not exist

Everyone is schizo

Velma is still lowest tier shes done for

Buff velma pfg

[muted holly]

wonder woman is impossible to beat im convinced

[tidal onyx]

Real asf

Same with black Adam

[muted holly]

adam is atleast manageable

wonder woman is legit impossible

try getting back to stage against her with new side special

try hitting a projectile

try hitting anything actually

our framedata is so ass

[vocal pulsar]

Its alright about 25 days now till next patch

I hope velma becomes even better

I really like her moveset and unique design but damn is she bad

[atomic otter]

She’s not D tier

Maybe C, high C

She’s not average but she definitely is playable

[atomic otter]

High c only because double downspecial

[peak halo]

is velma's book being invisible in her book reading emote intentional

[muted holly]

she only gets outsped by everyone because of horrible framedata

[peak halo]

finally hit the actual 0 to death #clips message

[atomic otter]

Broken cheesy ahhh

[peak halo]

#clips message

oh I just realized you don't even need the first jab combo

you just need to read di

[vocal pulsar]

Ai getting too real bruh

It now has the ability to create videos of velma seemingly 0tding ppl

Crazy

[atomic otter]

Nakat cooking

But she will get bugfixed if a lot of people complain

Im going to buy twitter comments

[peak halo]

#combos message

[fading path]

thats nice

[atomic otter]

You mispelled “broken”

[fading path]

We got 2 useless moves, give me broken at this point

[atomic otter]

VELMA MAINS HAVE OFFICIALLY LOST THE PLOT 😭🙏

Hear ye hear ye, attention all players in multiversus Velma mains have started binding down special

[fading path]

youre reaching lol

[atomic otter]

Nah gang

[fading path]

you even play velma or just complaining about a mages melee move

[atomic otter]

I don’t like playing broken shi

I’m complaining about triple downspecial

Shi intentional

[warm lily]

They gave down special more knockback so Velma wouldn’t have a jab jab down special infinite loop

[atomic otter]

Yea and now it can loop

What a nice change

[warm lily]

But apparently they gave it too much knockback so that it can ladder

[fading path]

it might be broken but i dont do it, i just play her, wasnt trying to be rude if thats how i came off

[peak halo]

what loop?

[warm lily]

They’re probably just gonna add like a 20 frame delay on using the move in succession

[atomic otter]

Down special

[warm lily]

Death combo gone

[warm lily]

It ain’t a loop

[peak halo]

you can't loop it

[atomic otter]

How many times can you do downspecial in a row?

[warm lily]

That’s not what a loop is

[atomic otter]

Answer my question

[warm lily]

Once grounded, twice airborne

[atomic otter]

So you can do downspecial cd 3 times in a row

Now what is considered a loop

[warm lily]

Would you classify Jason sair into sair as a loop?

[atomic otter]

Sair into sair is 2 times

A loop is 3 times

[fading path]

her down special is melee range when on cooldown

show me a real game where she can do that

[peak halo]

I can't believe you're actually crying about velma lmao

the combo is very diable

[atomic otter]

I proved it was a loop now you changing subjects

[warm lily]

Velma is probably mid tier with the death combo

[peak halo]

I was in a match I didn't see what you wrote

[warm lily]

Without, she’s still probably bottom 1

[peak halo]

3 books is not a loop

[atomic otter]

3 moves done in a row is considered a loop

[warm lily]

Loops are implied to be indefinite or near indefinite

[atomic otter]

No matter what you say

Thats the term

[atomic otter]

No those are different

[warm lily]

And linking the same single move into itself on a DI dependent combo I don’t think counts as a loop

Would you call Mario uair ladder combos in Smash a loop?

Because literally no one would say that

[atomic otter]

#general message

[fading path]

do you go into all the other character chats when you see a video and complain? or is this a velma only thing, just curious

[atomic otter]

Y’all are arguing just to argue

It’s a loop gang

[fading path]

i asked a question, no arguments

[warm lily]

Linking the same move into itself is not a loop

It can be

[atomic otter]

Not really I did go into Arya chat when she could do upspecial into upspecila

[warm lily]

But in Velma’s case, it’s not a loop. It’s a ladder

[atomic otter]

Linking it into it self 3 times or more is a loop ….

[warm lily]

This is another case of a ladder btw

[fading path]

so youre just bored, gotcha

[atomic otter]

I am fully aware and they should do the same nerf

Lockdown and maybe buff her kit

[warm lily]

Oh I’m not saying Velma should keep the death combo

Remove it because all death combos are unhealthy for the game

[atomic otter]

I’m more pissed about how it is possible

[peak halo]

sure remove it, when you deal with every other character first

[atomic otter]

This should have been basic playtesting

[atomic otter]

? Wym

[fading path]

everything shouldve been playtested at this point, who knows

[atomic otter]

Want me to complain about every character?

[warm lily]

You overestimate the amount of time devs actually have to playtest

You do realize that one hour of a public release is more testing time than an entire AAA dev team can do in a year, right?

[atomic otter]

But most of the stuff I say is just ragebaiting/trolling like the hear ye hear ye shi

[atomic otter]

😭

[warm lily]

If you have a 1000 member dev team working 8 hours a day for a year, that’s 416,000 hours of testing time. If say 500,000 people play a game within an hour of a big release, that’s already 500,000 hours of testing time

[atomic otter]

ATP I think we are chosen as the play tester

[warm lily]

In actuality, PFG only has like 20-30 devs maybe

[warm lily]

This is an actual strategy for bug finding

[atomic otter]

The game doesn’t look that bad for 30

[atomic otter]

@muted holly and some other Velma players found a bunch of stuff

[warm lily]

Release a public build where people will find all the bugs for you faster than you could ever find them yourself

[peak halo]

that is called a beta release

[warm lily]

Yes

[atomic otter]

Like van targets Steven’s watermelon and doesn’t capture

[warm lily]

Unfortunately the relaunch of this game is basically beta part 2 because they had to transfer everything to the new engine

[atomic otter]

Iron giants infinites 😭

Not really a bug but yk what I mean

[warm lily]

The game relaunched with so many missing features. I’m sure the deadline that WB executives set was way too strict and they didn’t care and forced PFG to release the game anyway

They probably didn’t even have time to play test Iron Giant lmao

[muted holly]

huh what

may i have context?

[atomic otter]

The bugs

For Velma

[muted holly]

ah yea

i asked around in the velma discord for that

we got new bugs btw

and its starting to annoy me

[atomic otter]

Works for Velma or against ☹️

[muted holly]

against

[atomic otter]

Ok that gave me my answer

[warm lily]

I should make an account for bug reporting because I’ve also encountered a few ngl

[muted holly]

van sometimes teleports the opponent back onto the stage instead of killing them when driving into the blast zone

how does that even happen

[warm lily]

Like how any move that applies more than one stack of weaken will only apply one stack if you have last stand active

[atomic otter]

I would have liked if they took their time. Having to remake a whole game with close deadline is crazy

[atomic otter]

..

Speaking of van, Why did they nerf van tho?

[warm lily]

Bruh

[muted holly]

idk but it is terrible now

everything, even jabs get priority over it

[atomic otter]

You think they should rework or just buff

But I doubt they will do anything for it

[muted holly]

revert the change

[sour linden]

No shot

They nerfed van??

[muted holly]

and maybe less vulnerable

[warm lily]

Van would be fine as a gimmick option if Velma actually had a real kit

[atomic otter]

Lowest priority

[sour linden]

Dawg 😭

Mid tiers and below can’t have anything bruh

[atomic otter]

Wait does projectiles hit van?

[muted holly]

yup

[warm lily]

Yes

[muted holly]

and they do crazy knockback on it

[atomic otter]

Marvin…

[warm lily]

I’ve noticed it’s a lot easier to hit the van away

[muted holly]

tom can remove van by shooting jerry once, barely matters where you are on the stage

[atomic otter]

😭

[sour linden]

Dude whyy

[warm lily]

Honestly, if they just reduce the knockback that Van takes substantially, then I don’t think the low priority would be as bad

[sour linden]

That’s like one of her four good moves 😭

[atomic otter]

MID TIER I DONT SEE NO MIDTIER

[sour linden]

Mid tiers and below

[peak halo]

huh?

[atomic otter]

Bro has not seen crazy 0-137

Nah I’m playing but that nerf is just sad

[sour linden]

Anyone that averages a B tier and below always gets cool/useful stuff removed

[warm lily]

Stripe gun cancels…

[sour linden]

Velma’s one semi win condition is basically useless if they simply hit it

[muted holly]

happened only 2 times to me since the patch dropped, cant send it on bug reports either because my shadowplay is bugging out

[sour linden]

Didn’t they bring that back?

[warm lily]

No

[sour linden]

😔

[warm lily]

But they allowed you to act out of gun earlier

[peak halo]

my shadowplay completely died after I stopped using my external monitor with my laptop

[warm lily]

So you can now get all 3 gunshots into a follow up aerial

[muted holly]

mine keeps clipping -1 seconds of gameplay

[sour linden]

PFG somehow makes every wrong choice so often

[warm lily]

Maybe this is why every clip I save only records black screen

[peak halo]

I'm stuck with xbox game bar

[muted holly]

i guess nvidia is pushing updates with the same quality as pfg is doing

[peak halo]

which adds so much input delay

[warm lily]

Maybe OBS could work? Idk how much lag that would add

[peak halo]

I heard they all have lag except nvidia

[muted holly]

does obs even have a clipping tool?

[warm lily]

No

I don’t think so at least

You’d just be recording full games

[muted holly]

ah then i dont need it

i need something to clip

[warm lily]

Yeah idk what software is useful for clips because game bar just straight up doesn’t work for me

[muted holly]

shadowplay is the best option but it seems to be broken currently

[warm lily]

Is shadowplay free?

[muted holly]

yes but you need an geforce graphics card for it

[fading path]

Anyone elses velma ringouts badge bugged?

[muted holly]

doesnt seem so

beta ringouts didnt count tho

[fading path]

mine quit counting after 1212

[muted holly]

i mean im not really paying attention to it so it might be bugged

[fading path]

been that for 4 or 5 games now

[muted holly]

its working for me

aaaaand another van bug

if the van captures reindog when he has his beam active, the beam just stays permanently with active damage

basically, you cant land without taking damage

[peak halo]

I’ve seen so many people use medal but I think it records full games and I don’t have the storage for that

[muted holly]

medal is bad

low quality, bug file sizes

[atomic otter]

Is console better at clipping 👀👀

[muted holly]

if nvidia aint fixing their stuff, yea

[sturdy orbit]

How good is Velma now

[muted holly]

bad

[sturdy orbit]

Worst character or not anymore?

[hybrid nymph]

I mean idk if anyone else is worse than her

[hybrid nymph]

nvm I just saw how book loops into itself for a ladder combo

[warm lily]

It’s definitely gonna get hit fixed

[hybrid nymph]

not surprising

[warm lily]

And when it gets removed, Velma will be bottom 1 still

But she’s closer to the other low and mid tiers

[atomic otter]

Lebron low diff

[hybrid nymph]

I guess it depends how much the Garnet, Lebron, and Banana players can cook. They all got buffed too.

[atomic otter]

The 3 people you named only one got buffed whereas it affected their ranking positively

And it ain’t lebron

And banana guard got a max ceiling, carried by the players movement. I’m convinced a diamond bg would play the same as a master bg just one has better movement

[hybrid nymph]

Banana carried by fundamentals

[dapper quest]

erm what te sigma

[muted holly]

easily DI-able and position dependant tho

[hybrid nymph]

even so they won't let us keep it

[peak halo]

they will I think

unless some large creator tries to

[muted holly]

I doubt it will stay as it is litteraly the same move 3 times in a row

Maybe they change something tho

Like book into air sspecial being true to replace triple book

[vocal pulsar]

If its di-able then I reckon u guys should keep it lmao

I dont come across velmas anyway

And u have close to nothing

[peak halo]

would be stronger than the 3 books if it isn't diable

[warm lily]

My immediate bet is they’re gonna add 20 frames of delay to successive down specials

Like they did to Arya up special

[tidal onyx]

Okay I finally got to play Velma

I will say she’s still not the best but I’m having more fun playing her than last patch

[cursive tendon]

W I got diamond rank

[fading path]

good stuff, grats

[vocal pulsar]

Alright velma mains I see how it is

You've been given too much power

[dry fulcrum]

hit Plat as Velma, well back into the top 100

[cursive tendon]

Nice, I just made plat 2

[hallow fractal]

Nice

[cursive tendon]

& made diamond with the help of my friend

I’m hit diamond in 1’s then never touch ranked again

I don’t really care about getting master rank they’re is no reward for my hard work lol

[leaden shell]

I’m suffering I used to be high up and then I got responsibilities and now I’m like the lowest Velma ever

I’m like busy no time for ranked

[novel light]

clouds on your samurai jack 😇 🙃

[calm herald]

Dont worry im still stuck in silver

[leaden shell]

I hope to god the season rewards and bp skins aren’t going to always be for the new character

Because I don’t wanna be grinding for a guy I haven’t played as yet

[novel light]

personnal pride / self-satisfaction ?

[leaden shell]

I mean yeah but a reward would be good too

If ranked isn’t gonna reward me for improving my skill and only wants to reward a grind

Might as well reward something

But especially for the battle pass like is every season gonna be a skin for the new guy?

[spark spade]

all yall do is run

[muted holly]

you want us to brainlessly run in with this framedata?

[cold chasm]

so just a question

is this character bad

or do u guys have a probaganda that's big enough to make people say that this character is the worst ?

like i don't get it

[muted holly]

she is still bad

[spark spade]

this whole game has bad frame data

this whole game needs a overhaul (again)

[spark spade]

debatable imo

[cold chasm]

" bad "

[muted holly]

we have slower startup then jason and small hitboxes and 1 good combo

[ember horizon]

no? tons of characters have good frame data

[spark spade]

thats hilarious

[leaden shell]

Correction, 1 combo

We don’t even have other ones

[muted holly]

we do

[leaden shell]

This update gave us more than one?

I’ve only seen the same one posted

[muted holly]

jab1>2 > (CD)book > air sspecial

but thats if you're in burnout or dont want to gamble 3 bars of meter

[muted holly]

i did it

i hit masters in 1s

[hallow fractal]

Congratulations

[hallow fractal]

That's the only one u was able to learn lol

[desert roost]

Sounds like pain lol

[slim kayak]

Aye nice job! I just hit plat in 2s, closing in on top 100!

[muted holly]

i fought 1 person that wasnt a tnj or joker, it is definetly painful

today that is ^^

[calm herald]

Chat are theae combos true? https://youtube.com/shorts/d2t11e8d4zM?si=lVQrL2ikrwqbkl0v

[muted holly]

true but DI-able

[vocal pulsar]

Lebron is worse now

Somehow

Shes still bad

Ish

[muted holly]

Lies

[peak halo]

lebron got his combos back what

[muted holly]

LeBron has framedata atleast

[peak halo]

literally if anything velma is worse now

the second they change her down special she’s probably worse than she was before the update

[muted holly]

Istg they will nerf CD dspecial to the ground and not give us anything in return

[atomic otter]

100%

[atomic otter]

What combos back

They ruined majority of his combos this patch.
Believing patchnotes without testing is why everyone believes Velma is now out of bottom 3

[dry fulcrum]

game's making me work for RP rn, had to 2-0 a Harley and an Arya to make 40 points

[muted holly]

Those are good gains

I was gaining 9-13 rp per set and losing 16-25 during my push to masters

[warm lily]

I had the same but with 20-28 per loss with Shaggy

But now I’m working on Velma and I’m only bronze 1 so far because ranked is such a slog

[peak halo]

I don’t mean to call people liars but I definitely gain more than I lose like 90% of the time on any character that isn’t shaggy

I mean even with shaggy, against master players I get around 8-14, anyone else usually 3-4, losing to master players is also around 8-14, it’s only something absurd against like a platinum or lower

[warm lily]

My gains and losses with Jason are closer to even in diamond, but it’s still more like 10-20 per win and 15-25 per loss

[warm lily]

I lost 25 in diamond when I lost to Elektrokills

[peak halo]

I went from diamond to masters in like 2 hours of playtime with velma

I’d lose like 11 then gain 25

worst I got was 8

[warm lily]

I swear certain characters just get better gains

[peak halo]

no it was the same with IG

to me the gains rn feel exactly the same as they were first 2 days of ranked

gain like 1.5x the amount you can lose

[warm lily]

I did notice more gains on average since this most recent patch

[cursive tendon]

I hate Steven

[cursive tendon]

Lost half my points 🥲

[calm herald]

Honestly idk if I should even touch the game rn because of how bad our combos are now

Plus im not good at dodge cancel combos

[orchid rampart]

u should still play it

its fun, just... harder

[calm herald]

It is

Its just I miss the combos

[muted holly]

we have the wacky ladder now tho

[calm herald]

Book into book into book into uair?

[muted holly]

yea that thing

[calm herald]

Stll trying to practice that one

[fading path]

I cant hit any combos either, even when i try i feel like my inputs are too slow or my character doesnt move fast enough

[cursive tendon]

Great I lose points bc my teammate left 🌚

[tidal onyx]

Kicked a Harley’s ass

And they taunted mid match so beating them was even better

[cursive tendon]

lol

[calm herald]

I have the curse of never beating a Harley in 1v1s

[cursive tendon]

Me but against lebron lol

[calm herald]

Ive only beaten a lebron like once lmao

[hallow fractal]

Yay I made it to plat 2

I'm scared to lose now lol

[cursive tendon]

I remember fighting minty hippo in the beta I still have nightmares 😂

[sour linden]

If anyone here is named skeletums on MVS why did you t-bag me

My router was having a seizure 😭

[peak halo]

velmas tbagging :o

[warm lily]

It’s actually insane how much people get mad at losing to Velma

So many people tbag after a set win

Like bro congrats you won a +2 matchup, do you want a medal?

[hybrid nymph]

So few people use GG instead of the salt+tbag combo, makes me feel like the weird one for using it after a match

[dapper quest]

tbag all the velmas so maybe they snap out of it and stop hurting themselves by choosing velma

its for their wellbeing really

[warm lily]

No

I will continue to play Velma and just hard outplay my opponents to win

Like Velma is still the worst in the game, but she’s not nearly as bad as she used to be

[peak halo]

you can't really hard outplay anyone with velma bc they can just cheese you at zero if they felt like it

[muted holly]

Most of Velma's gameplan currently revolves around capitalizing off of your opponents mistakes, not a lot more that you can do with this framedata

[cursive tendon]

^

I just got 500 rp wtf lol

[peak halo]

bronze and silver to gold

[cursive tendon]

Silver to gold in one match

[warm lily]

Lucky. I’ve only gotten like 40 RP at a time from bronze 5 to gold 1

[tidal onyx]

40 is generous

I only get 25

[warm lily]

I only got 25 for Shaggy

But I get 40 for Velma

In bronze and silver

Gold is where I started to see less gains and by diamond, I was only getting like 15 at the absolute max for a win and losing as much as like 28

[muted holly]

Gotta love this ranked system

[cursive tendon]

Now, my BG is fighting master & diamond players

[muted holly]

Matchmaking based on account MMR definetly was a terrible decision

[peak halo]

I got 500 twice for beetle juice and I'm in gold from 3 bo3s

[cursive tendon]

W

[vocal pulsar]

They all hurt

Every emote

I want to smash everything in my room at the point of losing

Basically what im saying is

Nerf lebron

[sour linden]

I’m one of the GG guys

Even if they’re toxic

Once I get the dub, stand on the stage, GG sticker twice

Gotta stay humble 💯

[muted holly]

usually i am on the gg side

unless they play like the average brawlhalla player then they get hit with the crawl

[peak halo]

I heart always

spread love

[cursive tendon]

Diamond 2 baby!! Let’s goo

[warm lily]

I’m of the quid pro quo mentality. I’ll GG them by default, but if they’re toxic, I’m toxic back when I win the set

[atomic otter]

Brawlhalla got in bros head

[tidal onyx]

Made a Harley rage quit to get into gold

Omg finally

😭

[muted holly]

ass game

[atomic otter]

What happened in 2021

Bro switched up

[muted holly]

high elo gameplay is boring af

especially with players like theleo in queue

[atomic otter]

Anything to do to win

Play on different device and starts all over

[atomic otter]

Mobile is fire trust

[muted holly]

im not playing mobile mate

im not touching brawl again until they fix their shi

[atomic otter]

I used to be so crazy on mobile it’s not that bad 🙏

[muted holly]

my wifi is to unstable to play mobile anyways

[atomic otter]

Nobody can tell me this gameplay isn’t fire #clips message 😤

[atomic otter]

Oh yea the lag spikes made me stop playing mobile

I threw so much plat games I could have won

[muted holly]

i would only abuse secret seven tech on mobile

[atomic otter]

Tech????

[muted holly]

🤫

nobody has to know

hopefully that hasnt been patched by now

[rugged delta]

Give me tips on Velma please

[cursive tendon]

I got Master rank

I’m going to cry

[warm lily]

Beg for more buffs

In all seriousness tho, you kinda have to play super lame and camp while speech bubbles are on cooldown. Mystery machine is a good way to force people into predictable jumps where you can easily punish with uair or sair. There is a DI dependent death combo with jab jab down special on cooldown into itself 3 times into uair, but good luck hitting that on good players who know about it. Your only real kill moves are air up special, uair, and sair

The best way to try and get early stocks from my experience is via the same sort of read that Shaggy has off of his jab jab up special combo. With Velma at like 80 or so, do jab jab utilt and then get a dodge read with dodge jump up special

Excluding mystery machine cheese

But general gameplan I’ve gone with is mainly fishing for jab and speech bubbles for combos and then camping with megaphone until speech bubbles are off cooldown

[rugged delta]

Thanks!

It's hard to kill with her ngl

[warm lily]

Oh yeah you won’t be killing anyone without a hard read until like 140 or later

Megaphone doesn’t kill until like 140, jab jab utilt doesn’t kill until like 150, and there are no guaranteed combos into up special to my knowledge. Maybe dair up special would work, but probably not

[cursive tendon]

Down tilt up special

Jab 2x book ( no cooldown ) Dash up tilt

[warm lily]

I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve hit dtilt

Move is way too slow

[cursive tendon]

Down tilt is more reading dodgers it’s pretty easy since people that super predictable In their movement

[warm lily]

Like unironically Velma dtilt might be the second slowest startup move in the entire game right behind IG grab

[cursive tendon]

True

[warm lily]

I’ve only caught people in burnout with it

[cursive tendon]

For some reason I do jab 2x in people panic dodge I read them easy down tilt 🤭

[warm lily]

I could go for that I guess

But I prefer the dodge read faster jab jab utilt with up special or sair

I guess with 2 reads, I could get both

It’s crazy how you need 2 reads to do like half a Batman combo

In terms of damage

[cursive tendon]

Bc people usually dodge away or behind depending of where they are on the map

[warm lily]

Yeah a lot of people panic dodge

[cursive tendon]

^ bingo

[warm lily]

That’s why I can fairly consistently hit the up special after utilt

And even if it doesn’t kill directly, it combos into uair which will kill

[leaden shell]

I think they made down tilt faster don’t quote me on that

But I played today for the first time since mid season and hit it like 8 times

[hybrid nymph]

Your best moves are jab, flashlight, and lightbulb. Camera is your strongest kill option, but it requires a read. You can spam air lightbulb to recover from longer distances. Don't fully charge megaphone, you can release it earlier and still get the longest range.

[dry fulcrum]

so how are we all feeling on the Jinkie queen currently?

[calm herald]

Meh

[calm herald]

I finally made it to gold

And of course the game puts me up against Harley

A character I cant win against at all

[muted holly]

bubbles are terrible

but we have funny book combo

she is just wack currently

[calm herald]

Bring speech bubbles back to their prime

There was genuinely no reason to nerf them

But the devs never listen to what we want

Only the characters who "matter"

[dapper quest]

erm guys velmas too good at zoning!

(even batmans better with his one projectile)

[muted holly]

you can litteraly jump over bubble and it will despawn before it can hit again

[calm herald]

Idk why they nerfed the bubbles to have a time limit now when the tracking goes away when you dodge them

That was pointless

They dont know how to balance a character

[muted holly]

that was the stupidest nerf to mankind

if they fixed that paths they take, sure the nerf would be justified but now it wayyyyy to easy to avoid for being a homing projectile

[dry fulcrum]

"we felt Velma was too oppressive as a zoner" meanwhile Tom and Jerry, Morty, Rick, Gizmo and god forsaken Marvin are all higher on the tier list as pure zoners

[muted holly]

they dont play their game and that confirmed it

[cursive tendon]

Velma is so much fun now i’m happyyyyy

well she was before but even better

Love her changes

👏

[muted holly]

bubbles are absolutely garbage tho

wacky book combo is funny

[desert roost]

Bubbles don’t work as intended at higher percents. They are supposed to knock them to her but they still send away.

[muted holly]

Main problem I have is the angle working negatively

Like sometimes you have to send bubbles backwards to prevent them from crashing into the ground but then you lose the follow up off of it

[leaden shell]

the bubble nerf was so unnecesary

but the bugfixes ere nice

i wish they were like marvins projectile that knockbacks whichever way it goes toward

like if it hits you from above it will knock you down

from the left it hits you right

might be a bit too strong like that tho

book leads into almost everything now its so funny

still havent pulled off the 0td

[muted holly]

i guess my massive bug report did something after all

[novel light]

you mean back when the megaphone was a laser beam and bubbles could apply stacks of frozen ?

[calm herald]

No I mean in the sense of how good they was on their tracking and combos

But we can bring beta megaphone back as well i'd like that a lot

Also the frozen stacks were from a perk

[novel light]

yeah i know, i miss that sperk A LOT, but with all the projectiles now this perk would make the game a nightmare

[calm herald]

Make it Velma exclusive/j

[carmine dune]

make it so projectiles that go over the ice puddle get a freezing buff

[tidal onyx]

Cook

[muted holly]

That is actually genius wth

[carmine dune]

I’ve felt like it should’ve done that since beta

[muted holly]

Having that or something similar would make uspecial good

[sick bay]

She has the biggest win rate because no one use her and those who use her, use her decently

[sick bay]

After all the mage class is about setup, not only projectiles.

[lament tusk]

I appreciate the response but this was like 12 days ago 😂😂. My narrative is the Velma players are just the best and super dedicated to their main

[sick bay]

I come late to the Velma channel since she is my main, there is nothing more that wasn't talk. But people still thinks she is extremely underrated and you just need to get better at her? As a main, I say she is pretty power creeped by other characters. And I absolutely hate the rework of this patch.

But I can't complain, just adapt.

Getting Velma to grand master was a torture.

[lament tusk]

They don't talk much in here either so it's easy to catch old comments. I wanna play her still but Jason, and T&J eat up most of my playtime and I wanna learn Rick and morty too

[sick bay]

I give you a hint? Don't play her yet, she is a pretty bad position right now. Don't listen to people that say you "just got better" because objectively she sucks a lot.

I just forced myself to rank Velma to grand master because I bought everything of her because I find her cute and got broke after that. I didn't even try her before buying everything including her legendary skin.

Those who say she is very good obviously just play her in 2 v 2.

[lament tusk]

I like Velma and wanna use her witch skin is really why. Though if scooby comes out before I learn her that's a GG

[sick bay]

Don't.

I'm clinically insane right now. Assassin characters gave me PTSD.

Finn gave me psychological damage.

And emotional

[rugged delta]

What's your take on her moveset overall?

Not even if nerfs or buff, just her moveset in general

[rugged delta]

Personally I like it a lot more than Shaggys

[peak halo]

in a character likeness sense I think she's the one with the most creative moveset, the best by far

[leaden shell]

They didn’t actually fix the projectiles going through stuff bug tho because they just made it so they will fly away now

Still broken for Marvin

[tidal onyx]

Two wonder woman’s bro

In a row

Wtf man 😭

I really hate this game I get now 3 WWs in a row

Am I allowed to have some fun or is that just now possible

[cursive tendon]

The game is telling you to get off lmaoo

[warm lily]

It could be worse. I once had 5 prepatch Finn’s in a row while I was playing prepatch Jason

[calm herald]

I had 5 Harley's in a row

It was pain

[sick bay]

I love that every person in this channel mention that every character in a row is a terrible matchup for Velma. Which I don't blame you, actually is very accurate to the torture that is playing her.

Here the skill ceiling is not the problem, the character is utterly garbage.

[muted holly]

framedata changes are all we need to stop complaining

[sick bay]

The charm of Velma was that her attacks didn't have whiff. Now we re private of that

[muted holly]

startup is the biggest problem currently

[sick bay]

Follow ups too

[muted holly]

that is caused by her bad startup

[sick bay]

Her jab should apply more hitstun in the first and second attack.

[muted holly]

jab is fine if they increase jab1's hitbox slightly and fix the startup

this might sound weird to the average player but i think if they give dash attack some good startup that she will be a lot better already

[sick bay]

Imagine if the dash attack stunned the enemy in place instead of knockbacking.

That way you could follow up with a jump cancel and a up special or an up tilt.

Or you could make a down tilt for following up a combo

Down tilt is useless right now since none attack consistently apply the enough hitstun for using it.

[muted holly]

down tilt would be good as a defensive tool honestly

but again, too much startup

[sick bay]

Imagine having armored.

[muted holly]

wouldnt do much for the move

except for making it safer

[sick bay]

That would be very good for edge guarding.

[muted holly]

i mean fair enough but we already have decent cornerguard options

most of her problems can be fixed by giving her less startup

thats all i am asking for

[calm herald]

I just want speech bubbles to be better

[desert roost]

Forget the speech bubbles, just fix the frame data so that we can have combos.

[muted holly]

forget combos, i just want to have a chance to win a close range fight

[sick bay]

Forget about everything, I just want to have fun.

[leaden shell]

I did a conbo this morning forgot to record but I think it was true I had a mark and I did jab jab book, air side special, bubble

It killed pretty low

Idk how true it was

[muted holly]

i dont think that can kill early

and that final part isnt true i think

maybe with certain DI

[leaden shell]

They were a big dodger but I didn’t think they DI’d right

I might have done a lightbulb before air side special I don’t rly remember but it was somewhat early like 30-40ish

[muted holly]

They must have DI'ed very very badly then

Probably up the entire time

[peak halo]

I just realized the only way you can get hit with the zero to death is if you have really bad di, literally anything than just away or in works

[stoic musk]

Selma is fun to play but I suck em with her. Does anyone have any tips on how to play her?

[muted holly]

stay on medium range in neutral, thats the most important thing honestly

[stoic musk]

Thanks! I have been trying but against some characters is hard

Is it important to learn instant air dodge? Can’t figure that out

[calm herald]

Yes very much so

Velma struggles a lot with juggling when in the air since shes easy to do that against

[stoic musk]

I just learned that I can do it. I thought it was harder 😂

But does Velma need to use that? Isn’t the same as jab jab up jab?

[calm herald]

No see the good combo rn is jab jab book and if they get sent upwards jump and side air special or if they get sent forward dodge cancel into jab jab book air side special

Although the combos can be DI'd so remember that they arnt consistent

The book launch angles are so weird like genuinely

[muted holly]

you mean IAD / instant air dash?

[atomic otter]

OH HELL NAH

[stoic musk]

Ohhh I need to try that. I only have been doing until the book part and then I don’t know where to go from there

[stoic musk]

Yup, didn’t remember the name

[calm herald]

I'm gonna be competing in a tourney tomorrow with my solo Velma, hope I do well

I'm doing it to at least learn something

[vocal pulsar]

I got 40rp and went up 500 places in velmas 💀

If I got 40rp with my batman I'd go up like 10 spots

Or even smith or someone else idk

[vocal pulsar]

I jus realised the screen goes blurry when velma crawls lmao

[cursive tendon]

Yeah, it’s a pretty cool feature

[cursive tendon]

What are PFG Cooking🔥

[calm herald]

Wdym?

Im starting to hate Shaggy players cause all they do is mash all day

[calm herald]

So im just now realizing that the magnifying glass counts as a projectile

[calm herald]

Well after that tourney I realize Wonder Woman is a genuinely bs character

I lost to her badly and lost to a Reindog

Like the devs do not playtest apparently because what the heck was that with Wonder Woman like I cant punish her on anything and she had so much armor

[leaden shell]

What magnifying glass

[hybrid nymph]

The clue is a projectile?

[muted holly]

i think the clue is counted as a regular hurtbox

[stoic musk]

Is Selma good in 2v2?

[calm herald]

No clue is a projectile apparently because if you have the electric perk and one spawns after you become electrified that next clue will have an electric effect

That perk only works on projectiles

[calm herald]

Also shes pretty alright in 2s, she provides good backup range to disrupt anyone attacking her teammate

[stoic musk]

Yeah I was thinking that but have read somewhere that she isn’t good

Her light attack is really slow right?

[calm herald]

Mhm a lot of her moves (maybe all) have bad framedata

[stoic musk]

Yeah I seem to always lose against trying to hit an opponents after they miss an attack

What do you think it’s the hardest character for Velma to beat?

For me, I would say joker

[calm herald]

Black Adam

[stoic musk]

Ohhh really? I think I never fought one with Velma but I can see how that’s goes. Him flying all around and me not hitting him

[calm herald]

Plus his anti projectile shield

[muted holly]

Superman easily, atleast if they know what they are doing

[stoic musk]

The ones I caught, they were easy but I’m still at gold

[muted holly]

one that knows how to play the matchup is near impossible to beat

[vocal pulsar]

On everyones soul velma is the strongest character in the game 🙏👓

[tidal onyx]

What would y’all say velmas easiest matchup is?

[muted holly]

maybe jason

but even then 1 missplaced move and you might die

[leaden shell]

I’d say iron giant tbh

Agent smith is ok

[muted holly]

iron giant has his stupidity beyblade move that blocks projectiles

[orchid rampart]

literally just rob side b I just realized

[muted holly]

sspecial into that is a 50/50

But the giant will get a better reward then you would

[calm herald]

I hate Iron Giant so much

[junior bone]

They really suck at balancing this game

[calm herald]

Real

[dry fulcrum]

Superman, Black Adam and Banana Guard feel bordering on impossible at times

BG sucks, but he fundamentally outranges us and has better frame data, so unless there's a huge skill gap involved, Velma has almost no way to get in

[sour onyx]

@marsh gulch ggs, praying for more Velma buffs

[muted holly]

banana has no answer to projectiles tho, you have a much better chance against him then against superman or adam

[cursive tendon]

I've started trying to throw the speech bubble behind me so i have more time to follow up

Lets you get away with some stupid sht

[calm herald]

I thought I was the only one who did that

[muted holly]

did they fix the reverse bubble knockback angle?

[calm herald]

There was an angle bug?

[muted holly]

if you threw the bubble in the other direction it would send the opponent away

[leaden shell]

Those are her two low endlag moves from her whole kit

Everything else still has huge problems

[muted holly]

low relative to other velma moves, compared to the rest of the cast its still high endlag

[heavy mortar]

Do yall think Velma’s a curb stomper in 2v2 cause I saw people complaining about Velma in the mvs Reddit and the speech bubbles and how she carries but I don’t see it that way lol

[muted holly]

Velma is only average in 2s honestly

you mostly rely on your teammate to do everything while you try to make space for him

[heavy mortar]

No literally and they only brought up the speech bubbles but you can literally dodge them and take no damage unless they changed it

[muted holly]

bubbles are terrible after patch

getting hit by them is a major skill issue on their part

[heavy mortar]

They act like it travels at beta speed or something I’m convicted people just don’t want this girl to be good ever again

Convinced*

[muted holly]

this community takes every small thing that annoys them and wants it nerfed or removed

ofcourse they complain about one of if not the worst characters in the game

[heavy mortar]

Keep in mind one of them was a Finn player like bro what

[muted holly]

he should uninstall

you litteraly cant lose finn into velma

[heavy mortar]

Talking about sum “I went against a Velma that floated above our heads and dropped words all over us”

Exactly

[muted holly]

what is he even talking about

bubbles dont even connect from above

[heavy mortar]

He was rambling about something but why is he even having a problem hitting a Velma in the air

Especially cause she slows down using them

[desert roost]

When I see projectiles that exist like bugs, Marvin, Morty, Rick. I'm like we can't be looking at the same game. @muted holly @heavy mortar

[muted holly]

were playing an entirely different game

also editing a message to ping doesnt work ^^

[desert roost]

Ooo

[muted holly]

if the meta stays the same again on season 3 launch i might actually take a break until we get an exiting meta for once

because the ww joker meta is lame af

[desert roost]

WW, SJ, iron giant whirl of death is annoying

Joker I can care less about

[muted holly]

if they were somewhat fun to fight against i wouldn't care

but against joker i am playing tag

run run run until he can lanf a jab and hit me with a so called fair and balanced ladder

and ww doesn't need. an explanation

idk how she got trough midseason like this

[desert roost]

If we just had kill power and decent frame data I honestly don't think it would be so bad. Tbh.

[muted holly]

important word: if

we dont havr it so it is very bad

[heavy mortar]

And people have the nerve to say that jack is bad now cause of his nerfs and if you lose to him in 1v1 it’s a skill issue

[muted holly]

He still has his weird disjointed hitboxes

Can't call it a skill issue if you lost due to you getting hit by thin air

[unique pond]

Is velma kinda viable now?

[calm herald]

No

[unique pond]

i said kinda take it with a grain of salt 😂

[desert roost]

My quesiton is what type of like projecitle is blurbs. Because it surely doesn't kill at all. Going for a combo projectile that doesn't bring them toward her but is supposed to? Bwhaha. Clowns. Like even at 168 it's not a killing projectile.

[desert roost]

Hell no.

[warm lily]

It’s supposed to be a combo projectile, but it sends at an angle that’s really awkward for Velma to combo off of

[unique pond]

Dam 😔

[desert roost]

It sends them away and slightly up. But i can't touch no one with that because 9/10 you aren't using blurbs in an enemies face or else you get punished for it because of how slow they are.

[warm lily]

Yeah they’re not very well designed

[desert roost]

Nothing on her is. lol

[warm lily]

I know

They gutted her so much from beta to the point where 3 separate balance patches of buffs and she’s still the worst in the game

[desert roost]

Like they removed things from her that made her unique. Like doing a neutral dodge on the ground would spawn like a shield blurbs that blocked projectiles(it had a CD), but they removed it. wHy?

Idk

[warm lily]

They absolutely destroyed Jake and Velma because they were the clear best 1v1 and 2v2 characters in the beta

Evo 2022 had like 7/8 teams in 2v2 had a Velma

[desert roost]

Also why does it take me hitting someone with my spike 4-5 times to kill them when other characters do it twice and you toast. Math is not mathing

[warm lily]

And then like 5 or so of the top 8 in 1v1 were Jake

[calm herald]

Bring back beta Velma

She had better framedata before too

Or at least it felt like it

Bubbles had good tracking, neutral attack was a good neutral tool and I didnt even mind the cooldown it had because it being spammy would've been overkill

I also liked how megaphone would still rank up 1 damage per second if aimed on an opponent even if you didnt fully finish the move

It was great

Bring that back but just make the cooldown slightly longer so we arn't spamming it constantly

And side ground special was dodge cancellable and jump cancellable

It made for good mixups

I also miss when up air specual was a spike that could do good combos but if we brought that hack the new tech system would ruin the move ngl

[desert roost]

No she definintely did. She actually was able to hit combos because of her frame data. Now the moves you are supposed to be able to "combo" off of don't work because all of her skills are too slow or have terrible startup and end lag.

[desert roost]

This!!

Yeah if she doesn't get fixed the right way being frame data and start up on her moves. I'm going to stop playing as well. It just doesn't make any sense. You look at velma and you're like omg. She is performing quite well across 1's and 2's.

[calm herald]

It doesnt feel as good as it used to be

The devs are genuinely so bad at fixing this character

[desert roost]

It doesn't feel good at all. It feels like an uphill battle the entire time.

So there's a bug where Velma down airs and the enemy does not get hit and the enemy doesn't press a dodge button.

[calm herald]

Dont you just LOVE random knockback cancels

[dry fulcrum]

cant wait for the next rework patch where everyone thinks she finally moved up to D tier only to fall back fo bottom 1 because she makes Brawl Ganondorf look like Sonic

[desert roost]

Lmao. People saw 1 zero to death and are like AHHHH She's clearly C now. Like no.

[calm herald]

0 to deaths mean nothing for a character

Isabelle has an untrue tod in ultimate and no one considers her broken

And I know this as an Isabelle main

Its about a characters overall gameplan and how they do in fights

Which with us is prediction and punishing which is a horrible way to design a character

And I suppose mid-range zoning but tbh I dont like it that much

We dont feel like a mage

[desert roost]

Because she isn't

She is a support they are trying to turn into a mage.

[calm herald]

Honestly I dont see why support role was removed as a whole

It was nice being a healer

And yet Shaggy still heals his teammates

[desert roost]

So does Bugs

[calm herald]

Your kidding

[desert roost]

The pie heals teammtes if it goes through them

[calm herald]

Man I hate it here

[desert roost]

If they wanted heal to be removed in it's entirety they should have just removed it in general for all characters. But clearly they don't want to remove it.

[calm herald]

So your telling me characters who were never supports in the beta still get to heal while we as a former support character lose our healing??

[desert roost]

Yup 🙂

[calm herald]

That's some bs

[desert roost]

Toodles actually doesn't apply haste. I have never seen it apply haste. Blurbs when interacting with teammte is supposed to give your teammate a buff. WHERE IS THE BUFF?!

[calm herald]

Its fake

Don't listen to the devs

They WANT you to think it has support value

[desert roost]

LOl It don't!

[calm herald]

The only support toodles provides is disrupting enemies from comboing your teammate

Genuinely

It gives you an approach option too I suppose some they're slower

Actually can we default Velmas blurbs into toodles?

Maybe then we can actually combo off them due to their slowness

Also im sick of them shadow nerfing the duration of neutral specials blurp target

It feels WAYYY too short now

[desert roost]

I saw my blurb do a loop around my opponent and they didn't even dodge. I laughed out loud. Because you can't make it up. I was waiting for someone to tell me I was being pranked.

[calm herald]

Thats happened too many times for me

[desert roost]

I also hate to be that person to complain. But it’s nothing to write home about. They could have left her with the patch that fixed blurbs hitting terrain and she would be better than she is now. At least certain stuff was consistent lol

[calm herald]

No blurbs hitting platforms was annoying because even before it never did that

[muted holly]

jason is casually surviving air uspecial on 220 while killing me on 52 rightr after

seems balanced nerf velma

[calm herald]

Oh my god