Tom And Jerry

[warped arrow]

How much damage does T&J air down spike do?

[scenic mica]

It feels a lot worse to fight in 2v2

Same deal with morty feels difficult to punish whiffs

[grand anchor]

GET OUT

[dawn iris]

tbh I hope we get more characters like Tom & Jerry

(dynamic wise)

[odd wadi]

Yes

[scenic mica]

What did they say?

[flint juniper]

It was typical and generic. “I’m sorry but I hate this character”

[fast zephyr]

bro i love the new emote

i just hope they give us a legendary skin

[dusty nova]

I just want me poor jump cancel back

With the full introduction of shields it could 100% be added back to balance

#clips funny tnj clip

[lost violet]

One change. One change and it was for Steven

[scenic mica]

🔥🔥

[midnight wraith]

Anyone else having the problem of attacks phasing through people? Granted, when they hit, it's strong, but damn I hate it when it just phases through people

[warped arrow]

Tom and Jerry loops are so broken lol

[fast zephyr]

lmao

im not taking you serious anymore

[open crypt]

As a tnj player

How from a kinda technical character

Is now freaking braindead

Like
No skills required to win

[subtle lotus]

What loops are you talking about?

The character is freaking dead

[wild spruce]

he ragebaiting

the whole game dead

[subtle lotus]

Facts

[subtle lotus]

This character is trash bro, you don't need braincells to win bc you will lose everytime

So dont even try

The character got busted

And they won't revert it

The game its cooked also

No balancing at all

Ofc

And more on this character they will keep him dead

[wild spruce]

ik the game was fried when i matched with the same person in ranked 3 games in a row

[warped arrow]

The character is literally the top character in the whole game lol

[lost violet]

Play him then

Since you’re so confident even though the character you actually play requires two brain cells to be rubbed together. Play as Tom and Jerry and see if you get the same results

[warped arrow]

I mean I don’t believe I have to when Hardcorefox clearly shows how they are the top character by literally being the top player with them lol the proof is already there why do I have to play them lol

[lost violet]

Hardcorefox is good with him because he’s been playing as him since the beta. The only reason you’re confidently talking trash while being wrong is because 1. You’re worse than the character and 2. You don’t play him. Pick them up and see if you get that same busted character you think is here

[warped arrow]

Whoa whoa calm down I’m just giving my opinion with some supporting facts lol

From watching Hardcorefox and others that play with TnJ it’s just evident that it’s a really good character pick and yes they can seem broken with the projectile abilities and even with approaching. Cause let’s be honest there isn’t to much of anything that can stop Jerry being shot and the follow ups after are pretty darn good

[lost violet]

Anyone with half a mind to dodge, DI, or anything that says no to projectiles will stop Jerry. And once that happens, Tom becomes a punching bag. And even when it gets to that point he has no kill power and got stripped of his combos.

[warped arrow]

I beg to differ but the fact still stands that TnJ is the Top ranked character in this game whether you try to say otherwise

[dusty nova]

Yeah I have

[dusty nova]

The loops in question last used about 3 seasons ago

[dusty nova]

The salt based opinion goes hard tho

[warped arrow]

Yes best believe they are very salty lol cause part of that loop is still there

[trim zealot]

Still got people rage baiting? Crazy. If you think the character is overpowered, why come here to discuss it if you never intended to actually listen to other people’s opinions?

Every response you’ve had to other people thus far has been basically “no, lol” to everything, unless you can use it to support your argument that T&J are overpowered. Do you just want validation?

[odd wadi]

😂

This went from a peaceful place to a salt fest and it's kinda funny

I think the character is fine but I'm not a combo crazy person in platform fighters. Tom works wonderfully for me because you can make everything up on the fly and the more unpredictable you are in your situations the better it can go

Long as you have a real plan in mind

Jerry rocket traps or Jerry baits are fun. Mouse trap traps are fun. Paddle baits are still fun and easy

[warped arrow]

Can’t have peace without a little bit of disruption. Gotta have balance lol

[odd wadi]

I'm not even gonna debate with myself on if I agree but it's not as fun reading if somebody isn't fighting I'll say. Just because some people are funny when mad

I'll always say tom is good. I don't think best character but I will say 100% the most versatile or freeform

You can be a jab bot, a mixup machine, a projectile spammer, a Jerry shot spammer, projectile combo god or some form of it all

Can't be a paddle spammer as much but it was there

[warped arrow]

Either way the way they have their kit set up you can’t even really approach them

Even if Tom loses Jerry he has dynamite that he can throw out to deter or hit you into a Hitstun letting Tom counter attack

You have to apply thinking at least 6 steps ahead to beat the character cause if not then you just end up becoming projectile and combo food

[scenic mica]

I hate to get into a big argument but I think both sides have quite valid reasons

Tom has the ability to stuff out approaches super hard and can make the game not feel fun to play at all

But on the other hand if you're able to get through his wall you're able to combo him pretty easy and he dies quick he's just in an awkward state that's just not enjoyable for half the cast to fight

More or less he's just become a match up check character but in 2v2 he's just a generally solid pick doing constant damage and able to zone comfortably

[warped arrow]

That’s that best break down for it really. I just believe we all know that this game isn’t to close to being balanced and everyone has something they don’t like about certain characters and things they love. No one wants their character to be over hyped cause it brings nerfs yet also some characters get buffs that are not needed. When it comes to it TNJ is a really good character with the design of their kit and it’s very hard to counter in a sense that you’re literally fighting 2 characters at once.

[trim zealot]

One of those “characters” is a projectile beacon that can’t move, shields, dodge, jump, or use melee attacks. T&J are far closer to a puppet character from traditional fighting games, but projectile beacons seem to be their own niche here in MVS with Raven being part of the club now.

[warped arrow]

Why are so many of Tom n Jerry players toxic spammers? I don’t get it

[open crypt]

Which characher you use?

Wait

YOURE THE SAME ONE WHO RANTED ABOUT TAZ

Ofc youre going to have trouble with tnj
Youre garnet
A literal combo food
And with no escape plans unlike jason
Another combo food

But hey

At least you dont fight those ppg players

[cyan whale]

Dude has been going into every character thread and whining after he loses to them and calls for nerfs

[fast zephyr]

lmao

[open crypt]

really?!
lmao

[cyan whale]

Yeah. He’s complained in Taz, Shaggy, Iron Giant, T&J, Superman, Jason, Raven, and probably other threads as well

[warped arrow]

Like you don’t complain about this game lol a lot of other people do to so it’s good to know my voice it getting around

[cyan whale]

I do complain. But it’s not about other characters being OP. It’s about issues with the characters I play which makes them inconsistent

[trim zealot]

You have complained about 6 characters, possibly more, by Hoagieland’s count. It’s highly unlikely that ALL of that feedback is legit and not complaining just because you lost.

[cyan whale]

Like Shaggy jab 2 whiffing on a third of the cast due to their hitbox adjustment

[warped arrow]

6 characters out of 32 isn’t a lot

[cyan whale]

Or T&J jab whiffing if you DI up

Or character specific tech and combos getting removed as a means of nerfing them

[warped arrow]

And the complains are about characters that a lot of other people complain about too even the top players that stream

[trim zealot]

A lot of people complain about all characters. The devs have fostered a community that mostly complains about characters being “hard” to play against instead of adapting to patterns that will exist because of moves being strong.

[cyan whale]

It’s very clear that if your character is a scrub killer, you’re gonna be stuck in eternal nerf hell

[warped arrow]

As I’ve said in other chats too. People don’t like their character complained about cause it brings nerfs. Just like people complained about Garnets Nair and sair and they got nerfed. So yeah some characters need nerfs

[trim zealot]

I don’t play T&J anymore, and I have no idea what you said about any of those characters, including Raven, whom I currently main.

[warped arrow]

That’s the thing adaptation can’t happens when the devs keep adding, changing, and taking away certain mechanics and moves in the game. How can you adapt to something that doesn’t allow you to get used to anything cause as soon as you do its been altered in some way making things harder to adapt to

[cyan whale]

It’s not the fact that you’re complaining that’s an issue. It’s the fact that you seemingly just cry for nerfs when you get clipped on by better players without offering any constructive feedback or asking dedicated character mains how to deal with their character

So you come off as a whiner and then people don’t want to help you

[trim zealot]

This is true, but nerfs don’t help the issue, they just make it worse. Let the game sit for a bit to see where characters land when people manage to adapt.

[warped arrow]

I do give feedback. I mention the moves that i believe are OP or broken and I even post clips of the more outrageous occurrences that happen. Overall the game lacks balance

[cyan whale]

Instead of being like “this character is OP because I got clipped”, try asking “how to I avoid this scenario”

[trim zealot]

Explain why the moves are OP, specifically. Explain in depth how they can be fixed without hurting characters too much. I have no idea what you’re saying specifically, but I can back up Hoagieland as many of their opinions are very legit, and they seem quite good at the game.

[warped arrow]

Well if it were up to me then I would say it would be a great idea to let it sit for a bit. But you should know as I do that the devs are constantly changing how things work in this game with every patch and every season. Some people have the time and are good at adjusting to that while others are not

[cyan whale]

Like the first death in your IG clip could’ve been easily avoided if you didn’t do the one thing required for IG to kill which is dodge away from him directly into the path of jump dodge nair (which is not guaranteed after jab)

[trim zealot]

This is the most roundabout way of saying you agree, but I’m glad there’s at least one legit complaint in this beef.

Most of the time people disagree just to disagree.

[cyan whale]

You’re criticism is just lacking in reasons to back it up

You just need to justify why you think a certain thing is broken instead of just saying “it is”

Otherwise people won’t listen to you

Like ngl Shaggy wins the IG matchup, but I also struggle against top IG players because I don’t know the matchup as well considering how rare IG is

The gameplan around IG for instance is whiff punish every option he has due to the sheer whiff he has, force him to use burst defensively, and then juggle him endlessly because his frame data is trash and he’s so big that he can’t escape juggles

If you let IG combo you and use burst offensively, you’re gonna die

You go in and mash on IG because his defense is awful because of how big he is

[warped arrow]

So you’re telling me that the only opinions that matter are from people that are really good at the game? I’ve stated before that Jerry being a heavy projectile that can be spammed is an OP ability. Sure Jerry can be killed but it’s difficult to do when 1 Jerry can shoot corks and all the while you try to kill Jerry Tom can com in and attack you. I’ve said that limiting Jerry shots would be ok cause all other characters with heavy projectiles get a cool down on theirs so how is it that TNJ doesn’t have a cool down on what’s considered a heavy projectile move. Either limit the amount of times Jerry can be shot or have it to where he doesn’t always stay a heavy projectile after being shot a certain amount of times. Cause to me Jerry being able to be shot the way he does gives little chance of risk when being used

[trim zealot]

I never said that the only opinions that matter are from skilled players. I’m just vouching for Hoagieland.

[cyan whale]

As good as Jerry is, Tom needs Jerry shot to be a functional character. His entire kit outside of Jerry is pretty lackluster. The only thing I can realistically see nerfing about Jerry shot is the fact that Jerry has 3 corks every time he’s shot with no cooldown

In fact, most people would consider solo Tom as bottom tier

So he needs to camp for 15 seconds every time you kill Jerry

It’s a similar story with Lebron without basketball

[trim zealot]

It also seems much easier to deal with Jerry shot just by holding shield.

It doesn’t break shield, and you’d need a lot more damage to actually break one, so it doesn’t do much against defensive play.

[cyan whale]

#1245145264667492423 message

This is what I mean

This is just baseless complaining about Superman armor

Like yeah Superman armor is annoying to deal with. But you play Garnet where you can use 3 stack rhythm to completely ignore it

Personally, I think Superman having by far the fastest dodge in the game makes him way more difficult to actually catch, but it’s more justified because his walk speed is like bottom 5

Again, I’m not saying you can’t complain. Just add some justification for your complaints and ask people for counterplay instead of asking for nerfs

[warped arrow]

Well in defense of that. Garnet does have her stack but that takes time to activate and some frames in between start up and end animations that make her vulnerable to attacks. Even if she get the stack for armor break it only lasts for 5 seconds in comparison to Superman’s instant armor moves being a constant ability as long as he has meter.

[scenic mica]

Correct me if I'm wrong but armor break is only two stacks no? Plus you're able to refresh the 5 seconds by just starting rhythm at any point so you have the buffer from your third stack with projectile shield before actually worrying about losing your armor breaking and at any point you're able to stop the loss of it by just clicking rythym again

[raven onyx]

Why is this chat full of hate

[scenic mica]

It gets heated over tnj apparently

[raven onyx]

But dont hate the top tiers

[scenic mica]

I'm not hating

[raven onyx]

Ik your not

[open crypt]

Ok how
Like
How you complain with jason
I can get shaggy sups and iron giant
BUT JASON?!

[open crypt]

Tbf i never see a superman walk speed, theyre allways in the air

[cyan whale]

Yeah it’s because his walk speed sucks lmao

[scenic mica]

does anyone know if the tnj player B1GR4T has discord was hoping to message him

[acoustic belfry]

guys, ngl to you I left mvs

I really felt I was DONE from thw game

• the amount of pros in the game is just quitting one by one

I think I'm leaving this server

[fast zephyr]

he did lmao

im also getting bored of the game, not because of the pros or smth

its just not the same idk

[warped arrow]

The game is definitely In slow decline.

Players aren’t having fun due to how much the game has changed and is just overall becoming less fun to play

Spamming and cheese is rewarded and it just kills the joy of everything

[flint juniper]

TnJ is the only character in the game to have cheese…

[warped arrow]

Not the only one but definitely one of the top characters

Yeah with me just now playing Hardcorefoxttv in ranked and getting 3 stocked tnj still has loops also I was just shown that Jerry shot can be dodge canceled out of and immediately used again. So yeah lol big props for TnJ

[flint juniper]

Literally though… cheese 🧀

The only one

For me it has deep symbolic meaning 😂

[trim zealot]

Oh no. I lost to a really good player in ranked by 3 stock, better blame the character.

[warped arrow]

The character is the one that has the abilities to do so

[odd wadi]

gto beat by a wonder woman on Jason and its not even truly worth trying

she just spams neutral attack and it doesn't matter what I do

I lost at the character select screen

[trim zealot]

I wonder how many people in this chat play T&J anymore.

[scenic mica]

Back when I played tnj (around s2) I used to get so mad running into ww she's such an obnoxious match-up because of her combos being able to kill you so early

As well as being able to insta kill Jerry super easy and safely

[odd wadi]

I think most of them do if they still play. They just whine about not having combos all day and losing jump cancel on paddle

Character has tons of combos. Even if they're situational i think the character is still fine but most don't agree.

[trim zealot]

Even if they are as viable as before with the addition of shields, I don’t think they’re as fun to play as before.

[cyan whale]

Judging from how many chats are going inactive for 3 days and disappearing, I’m guessing most people are probably not playing much anymore

I mean, even WW chat hasn’t seen any new messages in 16 days

Jason chat, the most popular of all the chats based on message count, has been inactive for 7 days

[coarse drift]

Yeah as much as I love playing Tom and Jerry even I stopped playing the game

This chat used to be filled with people being mad that their giga S tier character at the beginning of season 3 was nerfed and lost the paddle combo that did like 80% was a kill confirm and also was attached to the character with the best projectile in the game.
Along with the addition of paddle combos, better jump height, a better dair they were way overturned and the nerf was sad but fair.

Personally being able to be creative and finding small extensions for combos made this character really fun for me
And they still are

This character was never bad people were just carried in their busted state

Next season I’ll probably just go and get master and not play for the rest of the season again

Still sad to see this chat so empty

[cyan whale]

I got Jason and Shaggy into masters last season and didn’t have enough time to get T&J to masters, but I think I made it to like diamond 4

But like PPG and Marcy are so game-breakingly broken in comparison to the rest of the cast that I’ve been taking a back seat until they get addressed

PPG has a death combo from nair at center stage

Marcy has an infinite

Anyone who knows how to do either just makes it a single player game and you’re the CPU

[scenic mica]

On top of the strange balance decisions I feel like balance updates are rare like we aren't getting updates half as often as you'd expect for what's supposed to be this giant game

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the devs talking about expanding training grounds to allow balance testing before release? I feel like having a testing area to let you try our suspected buffs and nerfs before just throwing them into the game would help a ton

[trim zealot]

There’s always been a lack of play testing, unfortunately. I proposed the same idea a while ago in this same chat, letting the player test out new patches in a special cue.

Or at least utilizing steam’s update/downpatch/beta system to do the same.

[minor bluff]

they're still my main, but i haven't play in while

[cunning basin]

The whole point of this game is doubles, but that didn't stop people from grinding out 1s.

[bright cargo]

😔

[fringe brook]

its been a long time since i played

why can i not quickly down shoot jerry now

i hate this

[coarse drift]

Your muscle memory is likely very weak if you haven’t played for a while

[trim zealot]

The trick I’ve always used is to bind neutral special to another button, so you can instantly aim down without inputting a down special instead.

[fringe brook]

Yeah I do that

I think it's binded to i

Remember the ping pong down jerry loop?

I cant hit it or really any chains with down jerry now

It also just seems like there's a lot of lag with inputs after you jump

Maybe I just don't remember how the game felt but eh

Tnj is mostly a creative looper rather then set loop anyways

[trim zealot]

Well the frame data on down air was changed. You can combo with it still, but it’s really only down air > forward air or down air > up air. I’ve heard people say you can do down air > neutral air, but from my testing it isn’t true. You can however do neutral air > down air at high%. If it knocks the opponent offstage, it can act as a very situational kill confirm. The best combo I can recommend for Jerry shot now is Jerry shot > tennis ball > up special > up air/forward air.

I don’t think I need to mention what happened to up tilt.

[fringe brook]

I miss the old tnj

With broken ass frame data

Where u don't need to memorize anything and just know how to chain the attacks

I don't like needing to know frame data enough to know if a chain works

[trim zealot]

I don’t mind going to the lab. But with the input delay in this game, I totally get tight combos not being fun.

I’ve missed so many down air > forward airs because the window is so small. You have to buffer or perfectly time it. The buffer window in this game feels off to me, so that’s why I mention it.

[coarse drift]

I find down air -> nair to be more consistent due to the air control

And I believe dair -> up tilt is possible

[fast zephyr]

you can try playing offensively with the racquet, if im not wrong you can loop with that attack

ive deal almost 50 of damage only with the racquet

it also lead to a 50 to death combo, but is kinda hard to perform

#combos message

[coarse drift]

Those are auto techs right couldn’t they just hold left?

This doesn’t seem all that viable

[fast zephyr]

it depends

i have done it a lot of times

but sometimes it doesnt work

probably depends on the weight of the character

[coarse drift]

If there’s a small chance people do get hit by that it’s really funny and I will be stealing that for whenever I decide to play this game again

But you are right about people just getting looped by racket randomly

[fringe brook]

pls make dair usable

[cyan whale]

It is usable. More than usable actually. It’s one of his best attacks

[fringe brook]

I want it to be buffed can't be bothered to put time into the game

Istg the pan hits people and does nothing

Pr it's just beaten out by literally any upair in the game regardless of how late their input is

[cyan whale]

It’s a massive hitbox that combos into literally anything at mid and higher percents

Dair -> nair is a tech chase that you can loop with a lot of success, especially on big characters like IG, Jason, and Garnet

Dair also extends pretty far below ledge for catching people ledge camping

It’s only real drawback is that is has a decent amount of whiff

If you want to complain about a move being near unusable, complain about his jab which is certainly one of the worst in the game. Really slow, bad whiff, doesn’t combo into anything but itself and even then people fall out of it frequently

[fast zephyr]

facts

[coarse drift]

It’s literally one of our best moves

[fast zephyr]

the jab?

[coarse drift]

Heavens no

That things awful

The dair

Only thing better is probably Jerry shot

[cyan whale]

Jerry shot is the clear best imo. Next best is a toss up between dair, nair, and paddle. After that is some combination of dynamite, tennis balls, cheese trap, and uair. And then the rest are just kinda whatever except for jab which is easily his worst move

[fast zephyr]

i just performed the best 0 to death combo ive ever done

#clips message

[coarse drift]

#clips message

Great clip
it reminded me of this one I got a while back

[odd wadi]

Nice

[odd wadi]

#clips message

Mostly sent for the last clip but I love doing Jerry rocket stuff

[bright cargo]

#clips message

[fast zephyr]

guys

just played against hardcorefox

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1306358364032471061/1330619957519581235/image.png?ex=678ea3e7&is=678d5267&hm=47d9a0b9fbb4d16b9eb4938857aec4c7e350a200dc58cfc26e9a89417af322ba&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1180&height=663

he end up wining, but i was close...

[bright cargo]

Yooo this is insane

[bright cargo]

You have full vid?

[fast zephyr]

Unfortunatrly no :(

I have the defeat screen too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1306358364032471061/1330621701754458142/image.png?ex=678ea587&is=678d5407&hm=c59fcb455d8cda5a16d841aaeeb77608495d8aaa5e3bf2ec5868d97ef8ff79a7&

Lmao

[bright cargo]

💔

[bright cargo]

You were close even though you are a master. You are both good

[fast zephyr]

I missclick at the end and failed to kill him haha

Unfortunatelly, but was a fun match

[bright cargo]

This happened to me too against another good tnj called boxbox

[bright cargo]

I would love to see that tbh

[fast zephyr]

I forgot to record :/

My bad

Probably ill find him again, i hope its soon

I really want a rematch

[bright cargo]

You can beat him you are close to him in those matches. The problem is that it is difficult to play against another TNJ as if you are playing against mirror mode

[ripe sable]

took a break from my mains to learn tom & he’s very fun

i don’t know many kill confirms but i’m sure i’ll find them at some points

[coarse drift]

Tom and Jerry is a very
“Build a bear” combo character

You just sorta gotta know what links into what and the kill confirms are usually situational because of it

Dair into up air can work at around 80% but it’s inconsistent and it’s only one way to score a KO

you usually have to get creative to score KO’s

Or you know just dair them off stage that works too

[ripe sable]

i enjoy playing them cause my creativity

[bright cargo]

#clips message

[cyan ocean]

you're a loser

[cerulean cliff]

You wanna play me and say that? Or are we starting stuff we can't finish hmm?

[cyan ocean]

join the party

should quit the game if you play like that

[cerulean cliff]

Wait are you the Jack that just ragequit?

[cyan ocean]

no

[cerulean cliff]

Then what are we beefing for

[cyan ocean]

I didn't ragequit I was tired of waiting so I quit so I could go to my next game

[cerulean cliff]

You can try not just spamming side special and burning your dodge on nothing, crazy idea I know

[cyan ocean]

the only thing you did was wait the whole game you didn't push once

and I barely use sidespecial but since you were camping with your jerry you got hit by it like a gazillion times

[cerulean cliff]

Listen, at least finish a set proper if you're gonna complain

[cyan ocean]

I just wanted to let you know that you're a loser

[cerulean cliff]

Okay cool, stay free I guess

[cyan ocean]

thank you loser

[cerulean cliff]

Haven't touched this game in three months but you helped shake off the rust

[coarse drift]

I guess he has enemies

[cerulean cliff]

Anyway, what's meta looking like these days

[bright cargo]

#clips message

[ripe sable]

does tom have any iad combos

[bright cargo]

#clips message

[coarse drift]

Nah not really

[odd wadi]

I played against Flacoco. Already knew my fate was sealed

[fast zephyr]

Haha lmao

But i almost win tho

I miss one attack at the end, thats why i lose

Im not playing mvs until next season tho

Its way to annoying to play against shaggys

Also ppg have another 0 to death

[odd wadi]

Nothing new. I haven't bought the pass yet I've not been wanting to play but I wanna support the game

[cyan whale]

I’ve played against both of them + JMafia and Elektrokills

And I just played against Oog yesterday

Dudes are cracked at the game

[grand anchor]

Tom and jerry's journey to multiversus is officaly ended

I will miss all of the tom and jerry mains here

Chase Through

And You'll soon catch the mouse

Goodbye multiversus

[bright cargo]

Goodbye😔

I will also miss tnj in general

[scenic mica]

praying they run the game back a third time in two years with an actual team 🙏🙏

[scenic mica]

such a unique fun dynamic charcter

[raven onyx]

I'll miss playing my Childhood characters ngl

[bright cargo]

Thats why I play that damn game💔

[bright cargo]

Me too

[unkempt sinew]

Legit one of the most creative designs for a fighting game character and it's going to be gone soon.

[bright cargo]

All that mattered in the game was tnj

😔

[fast zephyr]

Ffs in what other game will i be able to play with tnj

[bright cargo]

Tom And Jerry War Of The Whiskers

[fast zephyr]

Ps2 offline game? nah

Its like playing mvs on may 30

[bright cargo]

Unfortunately it is

[ripe sable]

although i dropped tom and jerry after beta, playing him the past month was revitalizing and it’s gonna suck to not play him when the next season ends 😭

[bright cargo]

Tom and jerry>mvs 🗣

Man every time I play a game I love. something like this happens 💀

Literally mvs is the 5th game that something like this happens to me

[unkempt sinew]

I was around for Playstation All Stars and Gotham City Imposters. It happens lol

[cerulean cliff]

Good hustle out there fellas

[cyan whale]

🫡

[bright cargo]

🫡

[coarse drift]

Unsurprising but highly unfortunate Tom and Jerry was the most fun main I’ve ever had

We can only hope some other platform fighter will have a character similar someday

[bright cargo]

There will be no greater than tom and jerry

[trim zealot]

🫡

[fast zephyr]

we are definitely getting a change for season 5, so perhaps this can be the last and most fun season

[acoustic belfry]

Hey guys

I just wanted to say a final goodbye

this game is officialy dead

[bright cargo]

We can do our best until the ship sinks

[acoustic belfry]

it was nice to be with you

[bright cargo]

All tnj mains as well 🫂

[acoustic belfry]

yea I'm saying that as a tnj main

[bright cargo]

Its not just that the game is going to end. Its that tnj is going to disappear too

I've always wanted to be able to play with them

[acoustic belfry]

fr 😢

[bright cargo]

mvs has become a great game as long tnj is exist and its an honor for us to be mains for this character

🛐

[acoustic belfry]

I left this server long time ago, I just came back to say goodbye

[bright cargo]

good bye mate take care of yourself🫂. i'll be here till the end

Its sad to lose one of the mains of this character

[acoustic belfry]

I'll be here too 🫂

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-handshake-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-gif-22101046

Um, it was supposed to appear.

[minor bluff]

Tbh the only reason i played this game was for T&J, i didn't really care that much for other characters and my interest in events and seasons was mostly in new skins for him and sadly he didn't get that much this last one.
That being said, I don't think I'll feel this good playing with a character in a while, his moveset was just fun/funny 😔
Hope this game lives in any way possible just to jump from time to time

[gray quartz]

Yea Tom and Jerry my favorite character and my main character

[drowsy nexus]

I sure am gonna miss yeeting Jerry off the stage😭

[bright cargo]

Man I hope they add taxes tom and jerry

[minor bluff]

I hope for that too
Also we never got a cat concerto skin 💔

[bright cargo]

#clips message

[bright cargo]

How can bugs get skin and tom doesn't. I swear there's no logical reason for this

The game is crushing hopes guys

I can smell it

[fast zephyr]

omg we are eating this season

tnj is going to be so meta again

[rigid burrow]

What do you think so bro?

[cerulean cliff]

Goddamn

These are GOOD buffs

Why did it take this long lmao

[fast zephyr]

the patch notes speak for themselves

[rigid burrow]

I hope so bro, I just dont know to interpret the notes to see if its good or bad XD

[fast zephyr]

its already out, ITS SO PEAK

[bright cargo]

I've never eaten good like this before.

Those buffs is insane

I wonder how many combos it would be crazy

[coarse drift]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-book-fire-fire-book-his-writing-is-fire-as-a-child-i-yearned-for-the-mines-gif-7492916682126134420

They buffed dair

[cerulean cliff]

Jab actually combos

For real this time

By god

[bright cargo]

Guys, since it's the last season. I want to buy a skin of your choice

They changed their shield animation too

[fast zephyr]

all its so good, but the jerry shot feels weak

[bright cargo]

I noticed that too. The combo only works at 60 I think

70

[fast zephyr]

also racket into racket does not active tech now

[coarse drift]

I’m getting an unable to authenticate for some reason

Found it

[raven onyx]

TNJ MAINS ITS COOKING TIME

[bright cargo]

I hope its not the big dear. Although it may be in some cases

[minor bluff]

No new skins? In that case I'll just buy all the ones I'm missing

[bright cargo]

like deflecting projectiles

Not sure

[bright cargo]

No

Just avatar

😔

[bright cargo]

Nvm

Its fine

[bright cargo]

Also this

[coarse drift]

Uhhh up tilt into sair doesn’t seem to work anymore

[cerulean cliff]

It does on DI in

[coarse drift]

Wait on tighter timing it does

[minor bluff]

HIS JAB IS FINALLY FAST

GRRRAAAH

😭

[bright cargo]

We eating a good tonight 🗣🗣

[cerulean cliff]

Peep #clips real quick ya'll

[bright cargo]

💀💀💀

[coarse drift]

Initial impressions I hate these changes

I’ll try out jab

[bright cargo]

I can't judge changes tbh

Maybe we should give it some time

[coarse drift]

Of course it’s just right now racket ain’t racketing and I don’t like that

Also the game is unplayable rn

[bright cargo]

Ngl I didn't like jerry nerfs

Its sucks

[cerulean cliff]

I'll take a weaker Jerryshot for a functioning jab and better movement anyday

[coarse drift]

Years of muscle memory to not input jab down the drain

If jab is actually a good move I hope this character doesn’t become a jab merchant like 80% of the roster

I just wish I could actually test

[cerulean cliff]

Jab 3 > Jerryshot and Jab 3 > pounce are good on most of the cast

[coarse drift]

Is it only on DI in

Oh those are 2 separate combos

He’s always had that

[warped arrow]

I like the patches. Still a really good character to play with

Still has great ladder combo too. Getting kills at 65+ damage

[ripe sable]

is tnj better or should i keep grinding lola some more 😭

[cerulean cliff]

Jab 3 finishers were never true and something I've been complaining about since beta

Only NOW do they work because their cancel windows were made earlier this patch

[coarse drift]

I haven’t used Jab in so long I forgot you couldn’t do it on the finisher lol

[coarse drift]

What combo are you using cause everything I used to do just doesn’t work anymore

[coarse drift]

Air racket drifting in jab x 3 down tilt

[bright cargo]

Guys what is the best skin for Tom and Jerry?

[raven onyx]

Where they dress up as The Joker and Batman

[bright cargo]

Everyone uses it. What about other skins?

[trim zealot]

TNJ.exe for sure. Of course, it’s still second to Batman and the Joker.

[bright cargo]

I was thinking of buying it

[trim zealot]

Same here, not like I’ll need the gleamium for the premium pass.

Have almost 2.5k saved up since I looped the last 3 battle passes.

Haven’t spent a dime on the game.

[bright cargo]

Same tbh. Thank god i wont

I had 950 g then I bought Tnj pirates with it and I will buy the exe

[trim zealot]

TNJ the only fictional characters who could get me to spend premium currency on a skin for them.

[bright cargo]

IF they add Cowboy/concerto skin. Idm spending money for those skins

🙏

[trim zealot]

I have more than enough gleamium for 2 skins, but I understand with the concerto skin.

[grand anchor]

4 days till tom and jerry's birthday

[bright cargo]

Especially cowboy one. I want it badly

[bright cargo]

🛐

[coarse drift]

After giving it a few days I think this character got nerfed in comparison

This character is kinda a dair merchant now

The racket changes feel so terrible

[fast zephyr]

it does feel bad, but at least this new changes allow us to kill better

[coarse drift]

Kill better as in dair confirms?

[fast zephyr]

im not good with d n air up names

so i just say about how the attacks look lmo

[coarse drift]

That’s fair

[fast zephyr]

like the paddle and the attack where you chase jerry

is that attack that has a armor break

[coarse drift]

Up tilt and d tilt

[fast zephyr]

i guess...

that kills at 120 now

also the paddle and the up attack can kill at 90

[coarse drift]

It’s weird they feel inconsistent

[fast zephyr]

yup

they shouldnt nerf the racket

also the jerry hitstun

totally unnecesary

[coarse drift]

I can’t really enjoy the last season because of the terrible changes

[coarse drift]

“We buffed jab,Dash attack and then gutted 2 of your best moves, we buffed the frying pan go spam that”-PFG for some reason

[fast zephyr]

oh yeah

the pan feels great

but at what cost

[coarse drift]

Too much

There was actual contention for what their best move was now it’s just the frying pan no question it feels like

[fast zephyr]

i wouldve love to have the pan+jerry shot combo like the beta

for the last season

[coarse drift]

Playing beta Tom and Jerry with that racket change would’ve been peak

Now I think I’m gonna wait for the ranks to settle down get masters and probably be on my way

I don’t like these changes

[fast zephyr]

its meh for me

like, ive been robed and then i win lotery

we lose racket combos, but gained kill confirms

its... weird

[bright cargo]

They literally destroyed tnj

[open crypt]

not as much as taz, not the best but he's still there

because for me
(as a tom player)
the more season passses, the more braindead the character becomes

[cyan whale]

T&J is fine this patch. The fact that jab actually works now combined with the fact that paddle much more reliably combos into uair make him better than he previously was

[coarse drift]

I disagree I still don’t think jab is all that good

Maybe I just need to use it more but I feel it always gets beaten by literally any other move

Also up tilt up air feels inconsistent I don’t know the percentage it works at

[bright cargo]

I'm not saying they're unplayable. They become easier to kill. But some of the moves that have been nerfed made most of my combos not work. I miss the old racket. I prefer the old tnj better than the current one

I love how they improved some of the hits

[grand anchor]

Pro tip:Do 3 jabs Then do a sheild break attack It deals more damage than the Full one

[bright cargo]

Were you that person whose name was removeshields?

[grand anchor]

No

[bright cargo]

There was a tnj player called like this. And at the same time he uses the shield over and over again. I don't understand if they want to remove it or not😭

[grand anchor]

Sheilds are good

Because of the shield breaking attack

[acoustic belfry]

Bro, I like you homie, but shields are just not ok

[grand anchor]

Ik

[open crypt]

yeah, old one was more technical
current one is like superman

plays itself

[empty schooner]

Just a tom and jerry montage, that's it really
https://youtu.be/SrWq-c2FlUA

[trim zealot]

One more day til TNJ’s birthdays.

[grand anchor]

YEAAAAAAAA

ITS FEBRUARY 10 IN MY TIME

[warped arrow]

TnJ is so Goated now. I can loop players to kills from 0to 70

[coarse drift]

How

[rapid locust]

<@&882349260409032746>

[gleaming stream]

What's wrong with that

[rapid locust]

I thought self promo wasn’t allowed

[gleaming stream]

It's just a montage it aint self promo

[trim zealot]

It’s more like a skill check/frame trap. You can combo racket into down air at mid%, and Jerry shot into down air once or twice from 0 until staling breaks it, occasionally you might be able to combo down air into Jerry shot, but at that point, the opponent is already at high%. The frame trap works by charging racket as/after the opponent techs, of course, a get up attack completely breaks it, and it requires a read to perform anyway.

[coarse drift]

So they wanted to make dair even more of a combo tool

And they gutted racket to do it

[trim zealot]

Racket feels fine to me. It’s more of a neutral tool than a cheesy looping tool/early spike kill move now. Not to mention it’s our main way of launching projectiles.

[coarse drift]

For me it just feels really bad to use

It’s still a good move it’s just

Not the same

Our best move is dair no question when it used to be a toss up between 3 moves

[trim zealot]

I think it’s a tie between that and Jerry shot. I do wish paddle was more useful like before, even if down air didn’t get the buff it did, though it was minor.

[coarse drift]

I think the buff was really major and made it too much of an over centralizing move

[trim zealot]

The buff you mean was the latest one?

[coarse drift]

Yes

Being able to fast fall during it is crazy

[trim zealot]

Isn’t it like a 1 frame startup decrease?

[trim zealot]

Oh nvm that.

Yeah, it is nutty.

So many mix ups I’ve hit at ledge because of that.

[coarse drift]

All the cool combos and tech I’ve developed are gone too because of these racket changes

I can’t even drag people down to the blast zone with it anymore

That’s my main problem with these changes it’s just losing pre patch racket

Also I still think jab sucks

[trim zealot]

Totally agree. Even with the frame buffs, jab just whiffs if you don’t end it with a tilt instead.

I think it’s the knockback that’s the issue, or lack of.

[coarse drift]

Of racket or jab?

[cyan whale]

Considering before I was able to death combo with dair nair tech chase, I’d say it was warranted

[trim zealot]

Jab

[coarse drift]

But it was funny

But yeah slightly warranted

Doesn’t mean I have to like the change it wasn’t but it wasn’t as egregious as the 0to80% combo this character used to have

I just wish they let us keep it for the end

[cyan whale]

I mean, paddle now finally reliably combos into uair for a kill confirm, so at least T&J has that

And jab actually connects now and opponents don’t just fall out 95% of the time

[coarse drift]

I know it’s just

It ain’t what it used to be

It’s not motivating to change how I play my favorite character in the last 5 months of a games life span

[cyan whale]

Oh yeah the constant changes haven’t been healthy for the playerbase

[cyan whale]

GGs @silver vessel

You’re cracked

[bright cargo]

Tnj followers. Hear me out

85 years on, Tom and Jerry continue to remain favourite across generations

[odd wadi]

Its impressive

[ripe sable]

#clips message

thinking about making tom my secondary for the rest of the game

[tardy scaffold]

Where's cowboy Tom and Jerry

[coarse drift]

Well the game is ending soon so I’m gonna say it

The EXE skin is mid
And the cowboy skin is good at best

[scenic mica]

I like my exe skin : (

[cyan whale]

As someone who uses a lot of racket, I like the tennis skin

But the Batman and Joker skin is probably the best imo

[minor bluff]

I like the Baker Street skin, is the closest to a cat concerto one

[coarse drift]

I’m gonna participate in the hungrybox tournament as a final goodbye

[odd wadi]

I hope you win

Bring a crab for hungrybox

[coarse drift]

I’m insanely washed and I don’t even play 1s
but I’ll make sure only the better players make it to the livestream

[odd wadi]

Feels like only the casual players are playing based on yesterday

[coarse drift]

Oh yeah got top 64 but lost to that jab rick guy and got knocked out

[bright cargo]

[grand anchor]

ill miss tnj being in the game

[bright cargo]

Same.

[grand anchor]

Thank you

For everything mvs

[hollow plinth]

i´ll miss TnJ. It´s incredible how good can a character be

[warped arrow]

TnJ will forever be one of the OP mages of the game beside Rick

[cyan whale]

More like one of the most fun characters

[warped arrow]

I wouldn’t doubt it considering the character being as it is so it is fun for the players that use them. Not exactly what I would call fun but different things work for different people

[cyan whale]

He’s easily countered by a ton of anti-projectile characters

But he does destroy everyone else

[coarse drift]

Goodbye Tom and Jerry you were the most fun character I’ve ever Mained
In any game

I have forgotten more tech about you then most will ever know and
I’m very sad you were in this game and not a better one
I hope I’ll one day find a character that was as fun as you were
Goodbye

[bright cargo]

stay strong brothers

😔

[unkempt sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-jerry-gif-21566399

Sad day

[bright cargo]

Rip

[bright cargo]

😔

[spice pagoda]

😭

[acoustic belfry]

oh hey there

[bright cargo]

[wheat laurel]

Tom And Jerry goated, i used to main it and Jake

[wheat laurel]

T&J deserved a better game, youre right