Superman

[sacred swan]

The real question is why are you playing a dead game?

[lean sentinel]

idk 💀 i got nothing else to play

[alpine coral]

you’re the one still browsing the discord

[sacred swan]

So? Your point??

[deft island]

it took all day but i finally got clark kent

[reef zinc]

yes common knowledge

ive never heard anyone say that

since release hes been like

A tier

garnet players have known

[reef zinc]

prob cuz they got buffed

garnets in line with superman now

[tardy shadow]

What's the consensus on Superman signature perks?

[vague inlet]

Hmm

I think up special one is most useful. It becomes an even stronger kill move and the fire lets him build more damage. Tho the move doesn’t always fully connect, you can still cancel out of it to go into other attack combos if you can tell the downward part of the move isn’t gonna land

Ice breath perk kinda sucks cause his neutral special got gutted hard. Honestly you can’t really land many stacks of ice during a match so the perk can’t really contribute much

Sniper punch is absolutely devastating when you land it at max range, but the move is so slow and easy for the opponent to dodge while you’re aiming that you can only really land it in certain situations. Probably easier to land it in 2v2s but you can still get interrupted a lot while trying to use it

[tardy shadow]

Guessed as much, I only play 2s so I was more uncertain.
Then again, getting a stray hit during sniper punch happens really often, so I'll probably try more with the fiery drop. 🔥

[vague inlet]

Yeah. I use it to try and time the armor when my opponent comes in to attack then just hopefully get the kill with it

I’m more of a 1v1 guy

Lately I noticed that if I can really make use of dodge reads and air dashes Superman can really put the pressure on the opponent

We love jab into down attack into dash into jab again into up attack

[tardy shadow]

Good, I should try inserting that dash more often

[vague inlet]

I did something freaking devious with sniper punch today

I do a jab combo into down attack to do another jab

Jab combo into down attack again. The opponent auto techs

I dodge behind them and start aiming sniper punch

They dodge to the right to get away from me

They end up at the max range of sniper punch after the dodge

I activate the move and Superman just flies up before punching them into the sky LMAO

[vague inlet]

How do y’all like

Move around well with Superman? Like if my opponent runs up in my face and I can usually handle it with his armor attacks and stuff but when they play more spacious with projectiles or baiting me to attack and then punish me I don’t really know how to get in and get that combo momentum

[golden relic]

I'm probably not the one to give advice but have you tried ice breath or dashing in with side air?

you can mix it up

faint an ice breath then armor up

you could also faint a glide

[vague inlet]

I find it hard that use ice breath cause it usually ends with me getting hit

Sometimes I do dash in to side air but end to overshooting the distance

Guess I should make use of ice breath to deal with projectiles

Hmm faking a glide could be interesting

Mainly use it to try and catch sideways air dodges

[flint trout]

ice breath feels so punishable to randomly throw in neutral. I don't understand when to use it.
Also, why is Smith such a huge pain in the ass? His gun invalidates most approach options.

[reef zinc]

u think ice breath is bad try garnets sing

[flint trout]

both suck

[vague inlet]

Should I get collateral damage for Superman

[golden relic]

smith is very strong right now since his gun has almost no end lag, even on whiff, also cause of other reasons

[golden relic]

what rank are you? not that it means if you're good or not but im just curious

[vague inlet]

Generally gold but i feel like I’m garbage at the game right now

Tho I guess i got platinum this season if that means something

[golden relic]

thats not terrible, we could have a few 1v1s if you like, I'm not good by any means but perhaps it could help

[vague inlet]

Maybe idk

Bit in a dump rn

Lost 3 matches in a row to banana guard of all characters

[golden relic]

Banana Guard is super good right now

[vague inlet]

So much for a “joke character” then

I swear he’s just super annoying

[golden relic]

I almost lost to one just now lol don't feel bad about losing to them, they've got some crazy stuff this patch

[toxic glen]

What's the best perk for Clark? I use the sniper punch one but I'm barely using that move anymore so I wanna switch

[crude lark]

Either 5% or re entry are good substitutes for sniper punch.

But if you don’t use up special much then I’d go for 5%

[toxic valve]

Re entry has to be his best perk. That up special is so good to throw out even if you just end up jump canceling it

[alpine coral]

pray that lasers work

[feral yew]

Remove Superman! 🫡

[reef zinc]

remove sam jack first lol

[feral yew]

Real

[reef zinc]

agent smith too tbh he plays like an assasin hits like a tank and is ranged

[feral yew]

Haven’t played many Smiths most of them just spam the gun

[reef zinc]

try being garnet where he outspeeds you at everything

[alpine coral]

what’s the best cheese to go for off stage on your opinions

[reef zinc]

literally go for any of it its all cheese

[toxic valve]

Provolone

[flint trout]

If you jump cancel the grounded version do you get one or two jumps afterwards

[toxic valve]

One jump after

[flint trout]

So when people jump cancel his up special are they using the aerial version for extra height?

(Also can anything else cancel the move?)

[toxic valve]

You can't cancel the aerial version. I think when you hit someone with the grounded version you get more height from the cancel compared to cancel on whiff. You can also cancel the grounded one with dodge or if it hits you can use any aerial attack after

[fluid latch]

Any up to date superman guides or active discords?

[hollow grove]

Superman is bottom tier

[fluid latch]

More satisfying to win with him then :p

[reef zinc]

This man’s lying he’s a top tier 🤨

[hollow grove]

God Master with superman

[craggy crane]

@swift root ggs

[glacial obsidian]

do y'all think Superman's side-air is gonna get cooked?

[hollow grove]

This character is buns. Like 2 guys make him look broken

[glacial obsidian]

really? I thought his whole thing was super armour and frost breath

[alpine coral]

huh??? his thing is offstage kills

has been since beta

early gimps

[alpine coral]

might get the movement capped but i doubt it

[swift root]

ggs

[short flame]

Frost Breath is like, useful in like 2 or 3 matchups

until that thing can freeze heavy projectiles, it's not going to be useful

[glacial obsidian]

it makes his attacks more powerful. that sounds really good in 2's at least

[lean sentinel]

Finally master 5 with superman after initally giving up on him after this game fully released

currently #99 in dubs but it'll probably change

[lean sentinel]

I like going for air side b near the blastzone and just hoping my fair will land for an early kill

[hollow grove]

Holy crap I beat a master morty player

Jesus christ that character is disgusting lol

[lean sentinel]

Cool

Now beat a grandmaster morty player

[short flame]

My go-to is the grounded up special gimp

Jab jab dtilt near ledge to send them off, grounded up special, hit them on the way down to gimp

[vague inlet]

How do y’all deal with faster combo based characters like Shaggy or Arya? I’m not really sure what to do during neutral without burning through my dodge meter

I spam dodge too much and armored attacks use the meter too and it just gets me to burnout too quickly

[short flame]

There really is no winning strat besides throwing out nair in neutral and bait them into up tilt

It's just kinda the death of superman

Besides that, if you have someone being too comfortable throwing out their own Nairs in neutral and backing out, slap on the Sniper Punch perk and use it to hit them in the few frames of endlag they have

They'll wisen up real quick tho, so make the most of it

[hollow grove]

The whole character is just hard reads or gimmicks at the side blast zone

Its very reliant on your opponent making mistakes or you guessing correctly

Unless your Anthos and can turn off their dodge button on command and make Superman broken tier

[keen eagle]

How cooked are we with 4 1.4.0?

[short flame]

haven't gotten there yet

1 second

[crimson mango]

I think we alright

It's not too bad from the looks of it

[short flame]

Superman

Ground Dash Attack
    + On-hit cancel window advanced 2 frames
    ~ Knockback angle made more diagonal
Ground Side Attack 1
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Superman
Ground Side Attack 2
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Superman
Ground Side Attack 3
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Superman
Ground Side Attack 4
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Superman
    ~ Knockback angle made more horizontal
Ground Down Attack
    + Uncharged knockback increased to 1350 from 1250
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Superman
    ~ Knockback angle made more horizontal
Air Neutral Attack
    – Final hit knockback reduced to 1400 from 1500
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Superman
    + Now maintains more momentum during attack start-up
    ~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery
Air Side Attack
    ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
    – On-hit cancel window delayed 4 frames
Air/Ground Neutral Special
    ~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery
Ground Up Special
    ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
Ground Down Special
    + Head hitbox start-up window reduced 4 frames
    + Head hitbox active duration increased 6 frames
    – Head hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Superman
    + On-hit cancel window advanced 3 frames
    – On-whiff cancel window delayed 7 frames
    ~ Laser explosion hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
Aerial Down Special
    ~ Head Hitbox position adjusted to better match visuals

[keen eagle]

WTF

[short flame]

Basically, a bunch of hitboxes updated so they don't hit where they shouldn't

[crimson mango]

A lot of the stuff in here is just hitbox changes like all the other characters. Does Air Neutral Attack have its momentum back tho? I think that might be huge

[short flame]

nair maintains more momentum (big)

[crimson mango]

We're so back

[short flame]

Side air has a delayed cancel window on hit, but we can live

[keen eagle]

💪 🏋️‍♂️

[short flame]

they really trying to buff ground down special, huh?

[crimson mango]

I'm not too sure how that buff is actually going to help anyone since it's kind of a situational move, but I ain't complaining

[hollow grove]

Wow more Superman nerfs

Big shocker

😐

The dash attack is no longer unsafe on hit so thats nice lol. Took a couple months but they fixed it

System change makes looping his down tilt harder or impossible so thats a nerf.

and it goes more horizontal so it probably forces you to dodge cancel at lower % to loop it

Sending them off stage with it might kill now so that sounds funny

and Laser hitbox stayed broken for yet another patch wtf

But hey we ahve dash cancel air neutral so we're GAMING!!

[alpine coral]

this is 100% good

[hollow grove]

My jab still whiffs on Harley if shes sliding

[alpine coral]

how’s my boy feeling

[hollow grove]

The same

The hit boxxes are still terrible

Sturdy Dodger is probably getting hot fixed

This perk is stupid

[alpine coral]

sounds about right, PFG has been failing to fix hitboxes since beta

[alpine coral]

is that the one they just changed to give a shield when you dodge a projectile?

[hollow grove]

Omg man the hit boxxes are STILL terrible

Half the moves Harley does I can't touch her even after the nerfs

How many chances to fix this garbage lol

[alpine coral]

too many

[hollow grove]

The down tilt barely functions anymore

You can DI up to stop the bounce

The character is legit just WORSE after the update

But sturdy dodger is broken as hell rn so that makes it bareable playing against ranged users

[hollow grove]

Dude the person balancing this game is so goofy lol

I realized what the nerf does now. You can't bounce people on the ground with down tilt if you catch them out of the air with jab

So just keep jumping and Superman loses his target combo

Meanwhile everyone else is bing chilling with their ground bounce combos NOICE

The move basically stops working past like 40-50 damage

Crazy tings

I take it back, his down tilt BARELY functions anymore. Just give him a new move lol

[sacred swan]

Why would they give Superman his 2nd Legendary skin as Trigun Possessed without adding new voice lines?? Oh yeah look at this demon say "I'm listening, something I can help you with?" very cool

[hollow grove]

The down tilt straight up doesnt work if the enemy is too light

Im fighting against Arya and literally my target combo doesnt work

Thats amazing balance!

And then she kills me at 100 with up special

[hollow grove]

Why is Agent Smith double ground bouncing me into a tech catch? Is this not what Superman was nerfed for?

Who is balancing this damn game lol

I have so many questions

[hollow grove]

Even Bettle Juice has double ground bounce into tech catch combo

EVERYONE DOES IT EXCEPT SUPERMAN NOW

The person balancing this game is goofy lol

Salt aside, its pretty silly that a bunch of characters can still double ground bounce as their target combo easily while Superman gets his bounce attack gutted for being too reliable(?)

Dont even get me started on Finns and Marvins playing like its beta doing 3 moves in a one second window with no recovery

I think the Anthros winning games with this character is just going to result in Superman getting more and more nerfs

Its never going to stop

Its like an arms race at this point. I can make a 10 point list on how many moves either dont work or suck and Superman is eating nerfs

[toxic valve]

I've come to the conclusion that the balancing team has no idea what they're doing and we're gonna have to just live with it

[short flame]

God

the new fast fall is making me SD a bunch lol

gotta get used to it quick

[hollow grove]

I dont understand how people can play Finn

the whole character is just spamming up tilt

When then lose how do they rationionalize that? "Damn, I should of spammed it harder!"

[hollow grove]

Im the rank 1 Superman currently haha

[lean sentinel]

cool

In dubs or singles?

[hollow grove]

Singles

It is infuriating how many characters have forced ground bounce attacks and get full combos off them

But Superman having a ground bounce was too crazy so they nerfed it

After grinding this patch for 2 days I genuinely think the person balancing superman is just stupid

And I think iv had enough of this garbage for now lol

[lean sentinel]

fr

Bring back beta superman

[hollow grove]

Youre even more delusional then the fool nerfing him

[lean sentinel]

💀

I just want to be able to throw up and down and kill earlier with up smash

That shi used to kill super early (up tilt/up smash whatever you call it)

[fluid latch]

Remember when superman was op in beta then they randomly buffed him a ton
They're just throwing darts at a board lol

[hollow grove]

They are watching online tournaments where Anthos hard difs everyone else because hes better and losing their money on gambling sites

So they are coming for Superman instead of banning his account kekW

[crimson mango]

I just played like 5 ranked matches in a row and every single one of them was against someone across the world and the lag was atrocious

They got it bruh I'm keeping my ass off ranked

[crimson mango]

Dawg they got Gorilla Grodd before he became smart balancing Superman

[hollow grove]

It feels like Punishment for Anthos winning

Freshly buffed Arya vs Freshly Nerfed Superman

It is pitiful to watch lol

My down tilt doesnt bounce off so rip my damage

[hollow grove]

Every single hitbox is so awful lol

[carmine panther]

I need someone to tell me something

Why the hell does Superman still get caught on ledges this far into the game's release

[hollow grove]

Because there are guys winning online tournaments with the character and the fact that Superman is a noob stomper. They can't fix his broken stuff or bugs because that will essentially be a buff. So stuff like that is never getting fixed

[carmine panther]

I'm sick to my stomach

Why did I ever come back to this game

[hollow grove]

Thats just my rationalization for why hes eating all these nerfs but the bad stuff stays the same

Yesterday I grabbed a guy and the momentum sent me on to the stage while the guy was still against the ledge. He died because of the wall bounce

[golden relic]

Them trying to buff grounded down special is the funniest thing to me

no one is using it still I'm sure

[hollow grove]

Cant combo after it, takes one of your laser charges, on whiff has MORE recovery then before

In what universe should you use it?

I think the armor comes out instantly while the other ones have delay tho

Nope armor doesnt come out instantly. Waste of time

OMG I just tested it. The knockback is the same no matter the opponent's % and you cannot combo off it no matter what

WTF was the point of changing it at all. Its still useless lol

[hollow grove]

This game is so fun but the balance is so bad man

[golden relic]

does raven float above the ground in her idle? Would be funny if the lasers don't hit like it did with ppg on release

[hollow grove]

Have yet to fight a Raven

[hollow grove]

Arya's down tilt is hitting behind her head literally

I wonder if they are gonna go hard on fixing her hit boxes

Shes not superman so of course not

[hollow grove]

Agent smith can 0 to 50 me with a Jab combo but I cant ground bounce

Immaculate balance

[fluid latch]

Agent smith is really op atm like possibly the best character

[carmine panther]

It's never too late to drop the game

[hollow grove]

Im playing til I get Master

then playing JRPGs until Marvel Rival drops

The game is fun but the balance is bad

and its more interesting to paly early season because you go against actual good players. If you wait a month youll only fight noobs

[golden relic]

no joke, the people in ranked right now are off the rails

[hollow grove]

I just wish my character wasnt nerfed into oblivion. Would feel like a level playing field

[golden relic]

whos your character? wait you want them nerfed?

[hollow grove]

Typo

[hollow grove]

Feels like everyone else has tons of stupid stuff while I have to work harder to win

But im obviously biased since im a one trick

[golden relic]

are you talking about supes?

I do find it odd they decided to take away his ground bounce when most other characters get it for free

[carmine panther]

They don't like Truth, Justice, and The American Way😭😭😭

[golden relic]

he still got some other buffs though, you can cancel the dash attack sooner on hit

momentum on neutral air is partially back, but it has a tiny bit less knockback on hit

[carmine panther]

Well that's good

[carmine panther]

I need it back all the way💀

[golden relic]

I finished climbing ranked with him, if I can do it, I'm sure you guys can

[carmine panther]

I'm working my friend 😔

[golden relic]

working on?

[carmine panther]

This closing shift

But after this I'm quitting this job

Retail sux

[golden relic]

ohhh you meant your job lol

[golden relic]

cook the shift ❤️‍🔥

[hollow grove]

He still can get punished if he doesnt move away

And pretty sure he has no true combo off it

Im about to be Diamond 2. I can still win but its frustrating

[golden relic]

he doesn't but it can catch bad dodges or certain DI

I think?

[bold grotto]

SUPERMAN SUCKS 🗣️

[hollow grove]

Doesnt matter, noobs keep losing to him. Hell be getting nerfed next patch too

[bold grotto]

oh dont mind me im just joking.

[golden relic]

Melania from Elden Ring as your pfp? thats cool, didn't know you played elden ring

[bold grotto]

bruh

[golden relic]

🗿

[carmine panther]

I actually did it wasn't too bad of a last day of work

[golden relic]

What ya gonna do now?

[carmine panther]

Probably just keep working in a museum

That was my second job anyways

[fluid latch]

Skill issue or people drop out of nair too easily?

[hollow grove]

Its because of all the changes to the hit box and fast fall speed. Its not a skill issue. Its just inconsistent

[shy mauve]

people drop out of nair easy but stay strong
superman can win any matchup still even if it's tough

[fluid latch]

I can't do it, I'm sticking to other characters 💀

[hollow grove]

Im gonna grind to master with Superman then go off to another game

[golden relic]

guess I wasn't the only one

[carmine panther]

I'm gonna grind out getting an A in my classes

pray for me fellas

[golden relic]

what are ye classes mane

[carmine panther]

Public Speaking, Geology, Anthropology of Religion, and Museum Studies

[astral sage]

There's a problem in superman side and down attack in air

The animation looks it lands but sometimes it doesn't connect

I noticed it multiple time while using superman for the last 2 weeks. It's unreliable as sometimes it looks like he visibly lands it, but the enemy doesn't get affected or hit by it

I'm not talking about special I mean his neutral

[hollow grove]

Correct. They have made the hit box so disgustingly precise that it basically whiffs on people at point blank range depending on their character model

You still cant jab characters in recovery from slides like Harley and Batman

[astral sage]

It costed me lots of games where I try to be aggressive and come close to them with a side or down attack only to get whiffed and then combed from them

[fathom fossil]

I really hope your guys charactyer gets some interesting buffs an d combos cause rn superman is just cheese cheese cheese, theres not a single superman on the rankled ladder who hasnt just spammed all of the frame 1 armor moves and I honestly dont blame them

its just so sad

[lean sentinel]

Finally someone who feels our pain

[hollow grove]

Its not frame 1. It got nerfed in the beta so the armor only comes out after a handful of frames

[fathom fossil]

sorry, was exaggerating on that part. Nevertheless it’s still very easily spammable armor with little to no counterplay that just isn’t fun to play against ever

[peak forge]

what about armor break moves

[hollow grove]

His down tilt breaks armor but its been nerfed into oblivion

[potent locust]

will infinite basic attack lock ever be fixed on superman?

[peak forge]

whatsd that

[short flame]

Something made up cuz no shot you're getting locked by Supes' jabs

[astral sage]

It's already fixed

His biggest problem is still the air side and down jabs attacks

Also freeze breath needs to be buffed

It's completely useless and super slow

[barren plinth]

Aint no way you put Freeze breath and useless so close together

[hollow grove]

Its bad in most scenarios since people can gap close instantly with dash cancel

The nerf to its recovery makes it VERY situional

They did that to stop ledge freezing

And because Anthros is winning online tournaments with Superman

[barren plinth]

A lot of matches are still dependant on freeze breath

[hollow grove]

Using it offensively is very gutted unfortunately

[tropic seal]

I always found this game made me think but that was before I found out about playing super and and only using side special and his combo string

[lean sentinel]

superman buffs

https://multiversus.com/en-gb/news/season-4-1-4-3

[hollow grove]

Why they insist on buffing the hitbox on his head instead of on the ground is strange

and he gets a hitbox if he misses his grab? I dont get the idea behind that

The air side attack could of gotten a bigger buff. The hit box is PISS

and his neutral air is still awful after the changes to its hitbox and fast fall speed so there was no fix for that

The ice breath change is more neutral than a buff since enemies can also throw them at you .

[sacred swan]

Feelin' good so far. I'm not having problems hitting anything and I'm shmoovin' with the dodge attacks being 1 bar now

[rich sierra]

Hey everyone question.

Is Shocked perk useful on Superman????

[charred bone]

To all the instant armor move spammers yall are as stinky as old cheese

Spamming broken moves that are super fast and give armor without charging is the definition of cheese

[hollow grove]

The armor has delay on it since the beta. Youre just bad at the game

[charred bone]

You seriously think a 1 frame delay is something? And that’s big talk coming from someone who plays the broken character lol

[hollow grove]

Not reading you're bad

[lean sentinel]

Average Superman complainer

[charred bone]

Nah Superman is just broken lol I know you say things to keep him from getting nerfed but in all honesty if you didn’t think Superman was super good you wouldn’t be defending it right now lol Superman move set has some of the highest priority in the game right now. Instant armor moves, command grabs, super fast moves. You can’t deny the fact that he is one of the main characters that always place top 4 in tournaments lol. Superman is busted to the moon lol

[hollow grove]

No you're bad

[charred bone]

Look I understand that certain people don’t want their characters moves to be known as broken or busted cause then it brings nerfs and no one likes nerfs. Yet what I’ve said is straight facts. Superman is a power heavy character that’s super hard to approach in a lot of ways because of his move set. People aren’t going to play a character they believe whole heartedly is bad or not good in most ways. Superman is very much one of those OP characters and there is plenty of proof behind it

[charred bone]

I’m bad because I don’t only have to use 2 to 3 moves just to win or I’m bad because I’m not playing an OP character like Superman? Lol

[hollow grove]

Yes you're bad

I'm not reading a single line of the nonsense you're typing

I can plainly see you're not that good at the game yet

[golden relic]

[lean sentinel]

Superman is not OP 💀

[rich sierra]

Superman is “good” but he’s not top tier.

Shaggy, Arya, Steven, Rick, Harley are just some examples of top tier who make Superman’s life hell lol

[sacred swan]

Superman is just humble B tier 🙂‍↕️

[grizzled ferry]

I believe hes A tier w shields

Shield neutral up gotta be the best counter rn

[charred bone]

It’s hilarious how much Superman players will spam his instant armor moves when they losing lol

Like are those really the only thing that Superman players know how to use?

Just instant armor punch, instant armor up hit, instant armor jump into down smash lol

[weary citrus]

up tilt the goat 🫡

[charred bone]

Superman is by the far the most broken character they have in this game he is definitely top3

He has no whiff on broken over powered moves and has no end lag at all

Like cmon PFG yall didn’t have to make Superman literally that untouchable

[lean sentinel]

yap session

[charred bone]

Well you shouldn’t be doing that with your mouth lol

[hollow grove]

Blud is big yapping but im still not reading

[charred bone]

How do you know I’m yapping if you’re not reading lol

[hollow grove]

I'm proficient in yapping, capping, and pocket watching.

I can spot it in an instant

[warped swallow]

Any tutorials that are up to date?

[charred bone]

Superman is mad OP lol

Instant armor move combos make him so hard to approach

And let him get away with a lot of stuff lol

[charred bone]

It’s not yapping lol. You can’t deny that Superman having instant armor moves is a broken ability in this game

[astral sage]

Do you want me to teach you how to beat superman

It's really simple

Superman is in no way top tier unless you're really new to this game and still have no idea how to stop him

If you want a top tier unit use pfg, shaggy, Harlin, the new vampire girl even wonder woman is fundamentally better than superman

He's very easy to read and every move is slow and very punishable

All you need to do aginst armor spamming superman is wait then instantly go in to punish him or if you're really bad at it then use the armor break perk

[summer ridge]

If you’re talking like mid level, yeah Superman is decent but not top tier. In tournaments however, Superman has been consistently placing well for a while now

PPG and Harley still place better on average than Superman, but Shaggy has fallen off as of recently

[charred bone]

Playing against an instant armor spamming Superman is the most annoying thing ever on this game. Literally abusing the instant armor tech that Superman has and the the dodge cancel is just unfun really like you can’t approach cause of instant armor. And even if you dodge the attack they can just dodge cancel right out of the instant armor move and attack with no end lag or whiff frames smh

[charred bone]

Superman has either been winning and placing in no lower than top 5 in all the streamed tournaments I’ve seen. Even just now I played a diamond 1 Superman that just spammed instant armor moves and if I dodged them they just instantly dodge canceled out of them and attacked me for grounded combos.

[charred bone]

You do realize that not every character is equipped to handle Superman’s move set well or easily right? Of course Wonder Woman can because her sair can neutralize Superman man instant armor moves cause it has armor breaking ability. Harley and PPG can handle Superman cause of how fast they compared to him. Shaggy just does an insane amount of damage and his rage mode can cut Superman down with quickness. And Marceline is just an Arya and Superman mix so yeah I see why you say her. Yet I play with Garnet mainly so she doesn’t necessarily have the easy access to counter Superman you know what I mean

Superman overall should get a rework in my opinion or at least let his instant armor moves have more end lag, or not have the ability to be dodge canceled out of, or do a branch move lock out so he can’t just spam instant his grounded up special back to back.

The armor moves use up meter yet it’s just a tiny little bit not even half a bar of meter for him to use

I get that he is Superman but I just don’t believe that he should just have so many privileges with his movements as he does with little consequence to use them besides just a regular burn out time

[lean sentinel]

Bros speaking Yapanese 💀

[astral sage]

My man you're complaining about superman while using Garnet damn get better at using her. Seriously man Garnet has the weight of a tank while being a bruiser I fought Garnet and they always ten to die between 160 to 170 and they have multiple kill moves fast jabs and very good combo strings with the weight of a tank.

I'm telling you this as a superman main I have harder time fighting Garnet with how fast and heavy she is . Please stop whining about characters you're losing to and learn how to counter them. I lose more times than I can win against Garnet because of how tanky they are and fast wide combo strings they can hit you with. Please just get better this is embarrassing man.

[sacred swan]

Bro has been complaining about Superman for 15 days and even came through on Christmas

Yes, I haven't read a single sentence.

[astral sage]

My gosh playing ranked with superman in 2 v 2 and it's really hard playing as him

Ranked is the epitome cesspool of playing a tag game of who atks first

Everyone just stays in the corner zig zagging and just baiting the other to atk and as a superman main his lasers don't connect to people who zig zag so they see me then I take like 40 damage then they go back to their corner baiting for another atk

And then I have another problem of where superman atks literally miss point blank his air netural, air side and air down jabs all miss even when they visually land it's beyond frustrating

[charred bone]

Some Superman players seems to make Superman be so easy to play though. Literally just watched a master rank Superman just spam his grounded up special and just dodge cancel out of it for a slight mix up lol. Is that all it takes to play him just use laser eyes into his flying grab and when that doesn’t work just use his grounded up special for the whole match? Lol it’s so crazy but it seems to work

[charred bone]

Yeah nice try but Superman litterally just 4 stocked me and my teammate by mainly using his grounded up special and his lase eyes into the grab. But I guess you making it hard on yourself if you’re not doing the spamming cheese that the master rank Superman players are doing

[charred bone]

Then how do you know I’ve said anything if you don’t read? You at least read my name so yeah. Also the “complaining” isn’t for yall it’s for any of the devs that might looking into the chat to know about what going on with certain characters. I could care less if yall read it or not. Yall don’t work on the game lol

[charred bone]

You’re joking right? Garnet has been nerfed to the ground more so than Superman ever has ever since the games been relaunched. Superman is one of the characters I’ve seen make it no lower than top 5 in tournaments. He has a kit that is superior to garnet due to him having the instant armor moves. That can be spammed if I may add. If you’re losing to garnet then that’s skill issue. Garnet is only faster than Superman on the ground but in the air Superman is far more superior than garnet with having multiple grabs that take priority not to mention all the moves he can dodge cancel out of. Like cmon now lol. I get that yall may not want to acknowledge Superman’s superiority cause that can bring unwanted nerfs but yall can’t sit hear and say he is anything but a top tier character

When it comes to a character that able to get wins just by spamming 1 or 2 moves and not actually having to combo then I just personally consider it broken and a braindead character. It doesn’t take much skill to be good with Superman. Just use his instant armor moves and do his basic set ups and you’ll pretty much clutch a dub with Superman lol

[sacred swan]

still not reading but seeing all this effort is funny

[charred bone]

As I said it’s not for you to read lol

I don’t think you work on the game so yeah. Idc if you read it or not it’s not for you lol but it’s cool you think you’re that relevant it’s funny

[sacred swan]

#game-feedback

[lean sentinel]

Yapping

[astral sage]

I don't cheese with my superman, but the thing is in ranks everyone just spam the same combo moves and superman isn't the worst among the characters

You can actually counter superman spams, but not like the other characters like Taj, pfg, black Adam and bugs bunny

[astral sage]

My man also superman got nerfed to the ground his ice breath is slow to counter projectiles and his air side and down jabs literally miss point blank it's still an issue. Also his air netural can also miss on their lasts jabs. I'm telling you this as superman main who play only superman with over 2500 wins with him

He also has his own issues, but that will not change how runners will use every characters spam combos to guarantee wining.

Going into ranks and I can tell you beyond doubt that superman is really the least offensive characters when it comes to spam moves

Black Adam, shaggy, TnJ, pfg, vampire girl, banana guard

Even Jason

Jason is a tank, but damn man he can live up to 230 and do damage over 500 it's just crazy how much damage he can output as a tank

[dense furnace]

What’s Superman’s optimal combo route now?

Been playing Jason lately

I see jab jab down tilt, jab jab up tilt a lot

[hollow grove]

Jab into down tilt doesnt work on light characters or high % because of the nerfs

Not unless they changed it since I last played

[charred bone]

What weaknesses does super man have cause he dodge cancel attacks and instant armor attacks seem pretty OP

Superman is so broken and OP it’s great

[lean sentinel]

Superman is not OP

[astral sage]

Pls try to climb superman in 2v2 he's the worst to play as

[sacred swan]

Just off the top: Armor Delay on Neutral Attack, Ground Up Special, Sniper Punch.
Slow Movement speed
Short dodge distance.
Jump distance and Speed nerfed from Beta
Whiff Punish on dodge.
Whiff Punish on his N-atk, F-atk, D-atk, Up-Atk, Up-Spec, F-Spec, N-Spec. Air d-spec, air up-atk, air d-atk, air f-atk, air n-atk
Stubby hitboxes on his Air up spec and f spec Air Down Atk, Air Up Atk, Air Neutral Atk, Ground down spec, up spec, f spec, up atk

[summer ridge]

Ngl I think some of this is a bit disingenuous. Every character has armor delay and I believe Superman has the fastest armor activation out of everyone. And while his dodge distance is short, he has the fastest traveling dodge in the game by a landslide. And his whiff overall is significantly less than a lot of other characters. It’s by no means the best, but you’re acting like he has IG levels of whiff

[sacred swan]

ok so, how would you answer the question?

[summer ridge]

Mainly that he’s slow both on the ground (walk speed) and in the air. A lot of his setups are fairly telegraphed and somewhat easy to avoid for a lot of characters. Due to his heavy reliance on armor, armor killer and generally strong armor breaking moves can be pretty detrimental to his gameplan. And since he’s more of a brawler type character, his range is fairly limited

Generally, I think certain parts of his kit are overtuned and others are weak. He’s a very polarizing character by design

Like his only real combo damage comes from jab dtilt loops

But then he somewhat makes up for that with kill confirms like up special uair killing at like 70

Ice breath basically counters every projectile but leaves you wide open to dodge jump punishes

Laser combos into literally anything and covers a wide area but also leaves Superman stationary in the air for a decent while and only deals like 1 burn damage if the opponent isn’t grounded

By no means is Superman weak as a character, but he’s also not OP like Marcy and PPG

Somewhere around high tier imo

But he’s one of those characters that’s only as good as the pilot

Which is why you don’t see him as often in tournaments compared to easier and more effective characters with even more overtuned strengths

[charred bone]

Superman has all the reward and no risk to his move set let’s be real lol

Nerf Superman’s armored moves it’s to broken

All the stuff yall saying about how Superman is not that good is all lies lol

Superman can be played so braindead and still win easily cause his moves make him virtually impossible to really approach

[summer ridge]

If you just camp him out and force him to approach, it’s a lot harder for him

Superman thrives on you making greedy approaches into his armor

You can mitigate this by either running armor killer, 2 fast 2 block, or the perk that makes full charge moves break armor

[crimson mango]

Filtered by Superman armor in 2025, damn

We have not come a long way at all

[atomic maple]

The only armor move on superman that I feel like is strong is u tilt, it's quick and hits hard but just don't walk into him and if he's walking towards you be mindful to shield a dodge up tilt attempt

It's not rocket science... and since he has to dodge in for a lot of his approaches and uses armor you can force burnout and get free stocks

[atomic maple]

okay but that grounded up special with the fire perk is insane... i took 18 dmg from burning

in one hit that was a bit much

[alpine coral]

and it’s a good gimp attack

first part confirms up air

i’ve gotten kills at 30 with jt

[astral sage]

It's his only useful unique skill

So please no

[crimson mango]

They should buff Superman before they go

[astral sage]

Wish they fixed his hitboxes too man

Fkkk

Man no other game can I actually play as a good superman

;-;

[pliant cedar]

Yeah imma miss superman a lot

[vague inlet]

I will forever cherish the jab loops and funny up special and side special plays I got with the Man of Tomorrow

[lean sentinel]

For season 5, they better let us play as beta Superman for one last time

[astral sage]

For this last season please release this skin for superman

https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/comments/1eg2r5t/new_skin_ingame/

[crimson mango]

LOL

[carmine panther]

Well we had a good run fellas

[charred bone]

Now that this game is faster Superman players can spam the same moves back to back in quicker succession. Same old lame spam set up of abusing Superman’s armored special moves smh.

[crimson mango]

We left getting low diffed by spamming Superman players in 2024

[astral sage]

His finishers though seems nerfed

Up special cancel it to attack air up is now gone and not possible. His up ground special doesn't kill like it used to.

But I like him being faster now

[astral sage]

To be honest maybe I need to get used to him now

[summer ridge]

Considering I got hit by it yesterday and couldn’t dodge the up air, this is false

[astral sage]

Yew you're right the speed difference changed how it is

I'm getting used to it

https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/comments/1eg2r5t/new_skin_ingame/

I think we might be getting this superman skin during superman's birthday

February 29th

[crimson mango]

Wait omg I think you're right

When is the second update? @astral sage Do we even know when?

Because if it's before Superman's Birthday, it could definitely happen. Even after his Birthday it could happen, but I'm not too sure on that

I'm guessing the second update is like halfway thru the season?

[astral sage]

According to their site we should be getting the second season update on April 1st

https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/comments/1iincwo/i_think_we_might_get_more_characters_mid_season/

But I don't think we will wait that long for that update

I hope by the end of this month we get a superman birthday event with that skin as it's main prize

[crimson mango]

If Batman can get one, Superman can get one too

Would be a great way to end the game off tbh. Might as well end it with the guy who pretty much made superheroes

[valid junco]

since when does superman have an infinite

[charred bone]

Superman is one of the strongest in here of course he has an infinite

[astral sage]

What is his infinite

[valid junco]

what are the inputs for supermans infinite pls

[astral sage]

No idea man I'm a superman main and I'm not sure what's his infinity is

I don't believe there's one

[astral sage]

Damn no superman event for his birthday

[astral sage]

Ok superman actually has an infinite

[sacred swan]

What's the infinite?

[astral sage]

Go to that message above

You'll see the clip and good luck man

[somber locust]

Are there any Variants for the character with unique voicelines? Besides the Black Lantern

[astral sage]

Clark Kent but unfortunately he was a limited skin that isn't in the store 😕

[knotty smelt]

Who’s excited for the new Superman movie

[astral sage]

Absolutely I am beyond excited

[severe moat]

your username aged horribly

[drifting wagon]

nerf superman

[crimson mango]

Dub

[astral sage]

I know this sub may be dead and irrelevant now, but gosh I really enjoyed the superman movie