Superman

[grizzled ferry]

Why is jerry not considered a projectile

Game is dumb and would make the matchup playable

[summer ridge]

Jerry is a projectile

But he’s a heavy projectile and you can’t ice breath him

He procs flammable for T&J

[vague inlet]

Sniper punch is freaking hilarious when you land it at full range

[pliant cedar]

So why do all supes mains think hes garbage

I feel like he's pretty fun to play after this last patch

[carmine panther]

I wonder if there's a reason for that hmmm

[prisma stone]

Maybe theyre just downplaying and supermans top 5

And hes not 5, or 4, or 3, or 2

[junior tendon]

Couldn't he always do that since release?

[vague inlet]

What the heck does “dodge fist into hyper space” mean

[vague inlet]

Is snowball effect or protective momentum more useful for Superman?

[prisma stone]

Snowball but probably run flammable tbh

[vague inlet]

Why run flammable exactly?

[prisma stone]

Frost breath

[carmine panther]

lol

[vague inlet]

Why is ground up special so ridiculously inconsistent

I swear you can just end up missing the second and third part of the move

[modest hedge]

You can cancel it on hit to confirm into up air at kill percent

[vague inlet]

Oh right I’ve done that a few times

[vague inlet]

Eh guess that’s any easy way to trigger it

And honestly Superman probably doesn’t need snowball anyway cause how hard he already hits

[modest hedge]

Flammable + ice perk makes ice breath very scary

[prisma stone]

And considering its current strength is like

A really good set to go with

[vague inlet]

Hmm

Honestly I’m using sniper punch because it’s just really funny to land at max range cause it just devastates the opponent but I can’t really land it that often

Maybe I’ll try to switch to that set instead

Tho it might take a lot of perk currency to do so

[vague inlet]

Should I try to get the break ice signature or the flame perk first

Like which is more important

[pliant cedar]

In what world is superman as fast as arya

In game obv lmao

Superman isn't that fast I feel like

Hes just

Tank

[vague inlet]

Is frost breath Superman’s only real way to deal with projectile characters

He’s kind of a big target

[hollow grove]

You hard counter them by playing Elden Ring or Black Wyth Wukong

[vague inlet]

Let Superman move at canon speed please

[harsh raptor]

Yeh pretty much , and lasers aswell

Literally look at ur name and ur saying about ranks🤣 cringe

Superman is not as fast as Arya , stop crying

[final marten]

Idk what to say here so uhh

Rename superman to mediocre boy

[prisma stone]

Supermid

[prisma stone]

Jus sayin words

[near mango]

more like supergood

don't downplay this character

[prisma stone]

My bad

I'll try again when they hopefully nerf this abomination again 🙏

That good?

[near mango]

if we nerf every character that would be disgusting and makes the game no fun don't u think ?

how bout we balance him ?

like legit find the issues with most of the characters and balance em

this character is used alot in masters 1 and up

it's not because it's supermid

[prisma stone]

A yes or no would suffice

[near mango]

yeah nerf superman

[prisma stone]

Yeah cool

[near mango]

verycool

have fun enjoy the game sir

[prisma stone]

Ignorant twice over

Heartbreaking

[near mango]

apparently having a conversation and saying what's wrong with a character seems ignorance

😄

[prisma stone]

Im not hearing you say the characters boring and overly reliant on 2 whole moves

So like

That was not the conversation

[near mango]

who said im gonna say that

LOL

i legit said balance him

not nerf him

[prisma stone]

Im not paying attention

[harsh raptor]

Ok then, since I’m a ‘top 10 superman’ whilst also played against other top supes , I’ll listen to myself by ur logic, superman is not as fast as Arya , skill issue tbf

[vague inlet]

Is Superman seriously that broken? Like I get how he’s really strong but it doesn’t feel like it’s impossible to deal with him or anything like that

[prisma stone]

He has one singular overtuned tool that lower end supermans dont use

And still

Lower end players complain

I do think frost breath should get reworked but i also think that the character should have a genuine kit that isnt reliant on gimmicks

[harsh raptor]

Wha tool is that

[prisma stone]

I.e., side b

[prisma stone]

Is frost

[harsh raptor]

Ah

🤣☔️

[prisma stone]

Safe, gives a damage debuff, procs flammable, the slow is absolutely awful, really finicky and aggravating to deal with

Not to mention like, the thing its supposed to be used as

Its place as an anti zoning tool is really good

[harsh raptor]

Yeh I only use it against zone spammers , I know it’s useful also against non zoners but never really use it

[prisma stone]

It feels wrong to use it as a multi tool

Its just barely possible to get in on it

[vague inlet]

I’ve really gotta use frost more often

Still trying to figure when to use it cause if I hold it too long the opponent gets to hit me

[prisma stone]

If youre at the peak of its hitbox you can p much throw it out whenever

And get ready to pre-emptively let go and move if they look like theyre gonna swing

[vague inlet]

Like use it when I’m at higher elevation than the opponent?

And yeah I just be spamming dodge a lot sometimes

[prisma stone]

Like singular jump height

[vague inlet]

Ah

Does his heat vision count as a projectile?

[prisma stone]

No

[vague inlet]

Ah ok

[prisma stone]

Kinda

It interacts with armoured buns but not with BAs shield

[vague inlet]

So it’s like a semi projectile?

[prisma stone]

Its a projectile in the same way stripes saw is a projectile in that it doesnt proc flammable

Iirc

[vague inlet]

Hey how useful is the ground up special signature perk? I’ve been able to close out stocks by using that move at the right time

[prisma stone]

Its alr it just wouldnt be what id gravitate towards

[vague inlet]

Really useful kill power with armor on start up but kinda tricky to land sometimes

[prisma stone]

Id just take 5% or the frost sig over it but like

Ive seen people run it on the side

[vague inlet]

Hm

Eh frost will probably be more useful for the long run

[prisma stone]

I really hope not 😭

Like if it gets tuned with no buffs along with it i will absolutely lose it

[vague inlet]

Lol we’ll have to see

But being able to build up damage a lot with the flame perk helps

[harsh raptor]

Ground up special is supes best move imo, so many early kills from it and a combo starter, and it’s like 80% safe depending on who ur against, (taz tornado gets prio over it without armour )

[prisma stone]

Its a pretty good tool depending on the matchup

[vague inlet]

I forgot that it can be cancelled for combos

Gotta practice those

[prisma stone]

Some characters cant really contend with it

[vague inlet]

You can cancel it even if it misses

[harsh raptor]

I was playing jmafias Jake and I kept approaching him with ground up special and he couldn’t counter it, prob cuz Jake sucks but yeh

[prisma stone]

Its mostly just anyone with a disjoint or something that eats through it on the way down

Cough tornado

Trades can be iffy though

[vague inlet]

Put armor on the entire move smh

[modest hedge]

Adam nair deals with it pretty well

[prisma stone]

I forget BAs nair is a thing

[junior tendon]

Does Finn's charged ground up attack have armor. My laser rarely connects when he does that move despite him staying on the ground.

[prisma stone]

Laser just sucks

[junior tendon]

It connects well into an air side special when it works

[prisma stone]

Very fat when

[vague inlet]

Should I get the cyber solar powered or tooniverse superman skin

[hollow grove]

You should get Shadow of the Erdtree

[carmine panther]

LMFAOOOOO

I got one for him

[carmine panther]

You should get Link's Awakening on Nintendo Switch

[fading zealot]

It feels like this character gets weaker and weaker every day

[vague inlet]

I managed to hit silver rank with Superman

Yay I guess

[hollow grove]

Elden Ring has stayed strong since release

[carmine panther]

LMAOOOOOO

[golden relic]

Gotta love getting killed by The Tree Sentinel a bajillion times in the beginning

[final marten]

Nice

[vague inlet]

(It’s not like the game gave me that immediate silver rank thing or anything I swear)

[pliant cedar]

Elden ring sucks im sorry

(I havent played it)

Still sucks

[alpine coral]

anyone got some secret sauce with sups

[hollow grove]

Elden Ring

[alpine coral]

real

[hollow grove]

LOL still no changes

And Morty got buffed

[crimson mango]

I be checking these patch notes like Superman actually gonna get a buff #LOLZ

[hollow grove]

You GOTTA be crazy to keep playing this game lol

[crimson mango]

I LOVE PLAYING SUPERMAN!!!

[harsh raptor]

Another patch and no laser fix? wtf are these devs doing

Guess I’ll continue to not play

[hollow grove]

Black Wukong grind goes crazy

[junior tendon]

Guess we can tank Shaggy's rage side special now.

[harsh raptor]

Single player games ultimate snooze fest

[hollow grove]

God help your soul young man

[whole obsidian]

run away breath run away laser run away breath?

[keen abyss]

I haven’t played in a week and I don’t feel bad about it

[carmine panther]

Try turning on your Nintendo Switch and playing Link's Awakening

[carmine panther]

Same😭😭😭

[carmine panther]

Chocoh that ain't true man

Single player games are a fortress of solitude

See what I did there?

But they're just so relaxing

[vague inlet]

Does Superman’s eye beam thing trigger flammable

I tried it out in training

Used ice breath to spawn the weird flame crystal thing on the opponent then when I hit them with eye beams it disappeared

[hollow grove]

It doesn't. The interactions with his flame spawn are only available in 2v2s

It does nothing in 1v1

The ice breath gives them frost stacks, which again is giga nerfed from beta

lets your teamate's projectiles in 2v2s inflict frost which is again giga nerfed

[vague inlet]

Aw dang ok

[pliant cedar]

Super pookies

Laser is getting fixed next patch

[junior tendon]

Did they state so?

[vale halo]

Is it me but why does it feel like modern day people hate superman? I'm not talking about this game I just mean in general like outside of this game how people find him "boring"

[carmine panther]

Oh no they definitely do

We live in a world that likes the morally grey

Or sometimes just evil

There's a comic I want you to read that talks about that very thing if you're curious

[vale halo]

I unfortunately don't have any money really ehebs

[carmine panther]

You could probably find it online

It's called What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American way?

It actually inspired the animated movie Superman VS The Elite

Which is an incredible movie as well

[prisma stone]

YES

SOMETHING TO MAKE UP FOR THE 4 NERFS THAT COME WITH IT

GOD BLESS

[golden relic]

NOO

I can't blame the lasers not working for my poor decisions anymore

[carmine panther]

Trust me Duma you will still be able to

This is a Multiversus fix

Not a fix fix

[golden relic]

Oh right I forgot they'll probably nerf a bunch of other things while patching lasers and breaking them at the same time while leaving his grab still broken too

[carmine panther]

Now you got it!

[hollow grove]

Give ice breath a cooldown to prevent stalling

Ahh yeah

[pliant cedar]

Yeah

Ajax did

[toxic glen]

Only in Smallville 🙏😭

[willow lion]

Hello Superman mains id like to your character

[hollow grove]

No you wouldn't

[willow lion]

?

[sacred swan]

Laser fix next patch :^) but next patch is next week :^(

[hollow grove]

Keep thinking that

[sacred swan]

What do you think?

[grizzled ferry]

Will they fix batman supes costume or what

Tired of using a cape it’s distracting

[sacred swan]

5 days no comment... any good things to say about our Superman guy?

[hollow grove]

I started playing Monster Hunter World with the bois to prepare for Wilds

100%ed Visions of Mana too

Hit plat in Overwatch on Support

Have not touched Multiversus in 2 weeks

Life is good

[sacred swan]

Are you slow or what? I didn't ask what's up. We're not buddies and I wasn't checking up on you. I couldn't care less about what you're doing. Tell me something good about Superman.

[hollow grove]

Superman is giga nerfed

Not worth playing

[devout sage]

Scum

[carmine panther]

that's so real

MVS was so dook it made me want to stop playing all online games

I factory reset to single player Nintendo games

[shut flare]

broken af dumbass

[prisma stone]

Yeah ikr he acc doesnt work

They need to nerf him again

[crimson mango]

Superman so garbage it got bro mad asf for no reason

[crimson mango]

Congrats on hitting plat by the way bro

[sacred swan]

Who’s mad LMAO you’re crying already about “Soupman is bad now” 😂 if you’re having a hard time playing Superman, just say you’re bad at the game 🤷‍♂️

[crimson mango]

You got an interesting mind lil bro

[sacred swan]

You got dookie for brains lil sis

[crimson mango]

Superman so garbage it got bro losing his mind

[sacred swan]

Say you’re bad at the game without saying you’re bad at the game 😈

[crimson mango]

That's definitely what's happening here

[sacred swan]

Thanks lady

[silk shadow]

Does it really matter?

I can understand disliking people’s complaints, but there’s no need for people to insult each other

[silk shadow]

Overly rude and uncalled for. They were just tryna create conversation with you. There are many good things about superman, no one is saying he has nothing good in his kit.
They are just sharing the fact they haven’t had good experiences playing him and he’s felt like he can’t keep up with other characters. Maybe that does have something to do with their skill but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter that much. People play the game to enjoy it. Not to be insulted for saying a character feels bad to play. Viable/strong and enjoyable to play can often be 2 different things. Superman can be viable and getting results whilst still feeling bad to play

In smash ultimate MK Leo was getting good results playing Ike, and he was a top 50 player at the time.

He then dropped him for joker, saying ike felt ass to play. Ike is now considered B-C tier in that game.

See my point? You can be playable and viable and still feel awful to play.

[glad thunder]

This character is just insane

[silk shadow]

Tbh you either think he’s broken or think he’s awful LMAO

That’s what I’ve seen from the community

My opinion? Seems like a solid A pick

He’s got some nasty stuff in his kit - but he feels way too spammy to play lol

[sacred swan]

Rude, yea. Uncalled for? Debatable.. You're not wrong about the game. Maybe we get some fixes in these notes?

[silk shadow]

I’m glad you can see my point.
Maybe we do. Let’s hope we do.
Respect you for your respectful response 🤜🤛

I’ve honestly been out of the game for a bit until I hear news he feels better to play. I really don’t care how viable he is. I’ve been winning a solid amount of my matches. All I care about is him feeling better. Because his kit is what I’m looking for, but after so many nerfs he’s felt frost breath heavy which- well- I’m not playing a close range tank to spam a projectile

[crimson mango]

Back in the beta, I was a top 100 and top 50 Superman player, in the current launch, I got to Master for 1v1s before I just stopped playing since I don't enjoy the game as much. Could be a skill issue, but I genuinely believe the character just isn't all that good anymore, he still has some crazy stuff you can pull, but it usually only works against people that don't know the character well as far as I know. Higher levels of play be having me fight for my life 😭

[silk shadow]

It’s nice to hear a variety of opinions

Congrats on getting masters!

[crimson mango]

His laser still not working (From what I know, I last played like 2 weeks ago) is his biggest problem for me right now

I been accepted that they kinda ruined his neutral air since I can still get some stuff off with it, I just wish the laser worked

[silk shadow]

I feel like he was so much better in the beta. Broken, but more fun

[silk shadow]

I spent ages learning combos and they then (I think?) adjusted hitstun etc. Now every combo can be DI’d except if you do it in a very specific way

[crimson mango]

Yeah, he was far better in the beta, but I understand why they made those initial changes for the second launch. His grab was busted, and he was INCREDIBLY fast. I feel like a lot of the nerfs that came after, especially the nerf to his neutral air, were just doing way too much

And then the tech mechanic they introduced kinda ruined some combos of his too

Like, he's still useable, but it's wayyy harder to get a win now if your opponent knows what they're doing in the slightest. That's my experience with him at least

[silk shadow]

I personally don’t get why ww is allowed speed and movement (whilst having better hitboxes, better defensive tools and the better kit) but superman can’t? His worst matchups from my experiences are the ranged ones because of how slow he is

[crimson mango]

That's what I haven't been getting since the start of the game LOL there's like 2 characters that do Superman's job better than Superman himself

[silk shadow]

Relying on a singular move is unhealthy for a kit

[crimson mango]

Every time you use that ice breath against a ranged opponent that hasn't been lobotomized mid fight you're risking getting comboed to hell and back

[silk shadow]

You mean 2. You mean 2 tanks. 1 of which covers the entire screen, the other of which is just straight up bad right now

[crimson mango]

If you want to play a tank that does great damage, can get in pretty easily, can shut down projectiles and has armor, you would be better off playing Wonder Woman. She does most stuff better than Superman

[silk shadow]

I have like- a 90% win rate with ww but it feels cheap using her 😅

[crimson mango]

The worst part of going up against a ranged opponent as Superman is the fact that the laser literally just does not work most of the time, so it's even harder to apply some real pressure. Using ice breath and opening up yourself for a quick second is very dangerous once your opponent realizes that it's really all you can do against them

[silk shadow]

You are correct

Oh no being fast within the tank archetype

So speedy

I didn’t say he was, I said he felt bad to play

I don’t want to be spamming ice breath constantly, it’s boring

They need to adjust him so you can use more of his kit, and that you’re using ice breath less often

Because spamming it is not a fun experience

Guess I know how MtM players feel /j

Which is why I’ll continue to not play until they make it less of a mash-fest

If I wanted mash I’d go to the kitchen and get some

[crimson mango]

He doesn't really have a neutral game, his neutral game consist of praying and hoping your opponent doesn't know about a random Superman trick that is the equivalent of a boring party trick. He is quite a slow character compared to a lot of the other characters, especially now that his neutral air basically destroys his momentum. His laser is garbage, his flight can be countered easily along with ice breath most of the time, same with his sniper punch, and ringing an enemy out at 0 means going to the edge of the map and hoping they just let you kill them.

He quickly loses dodge meter from his own armored attacks, and almost all of his attacks are very short ranged

[silk shadow]

There aren’t other character I find that enjoyable

I suppose joker feels okay

But it doesn’t feel worth it

Exactly what I expected LMAO

[crimson mango]

I'm not too sure what I'm wrong on here. It's pretty known what Superman can and cannot do now, and the counters to most of his stuff are pretty easy to achieve. If there's a hidden Superman meta that grants him a GOATED neutral game, I'm all ears

[silk shadow]

I do like it when people debate instead of argue, it’s interesting to see people’s points

Exactly!!

[crimson mango]

I don't really get what the sudden hype for ice breath is all about tbh that move is legit only good for quick and cheap damage when you pair it up with other perks, but that's about it to me. Most of the Masters and Grandmaster players I go against already know you can usually just jump in on Superman the second he does the move or try to bait it out. It's good as a corner pressure move sometimes tho. He is decently tanky, but I feel like it takes a bit of work to actually get a kill with him at a higher percent. The priority doesn't matter much when his attacks are short ranged and can be out ranged and out spaced by most of the cast

[silk shadow]

It’s always better to discuss

[crimson mango]

If I'm remembering correctly, ice breath+break the ice+the flammable perk can actually get you some decent damage. That's what I mean by quick and cheap, but I mean "Cheap" as in "Haha got you with that one!" I know his ice breath can delete projectiles, but that's somewhat easy to play around, especially since a lot of zoning characters have other options and can sometimes send out a projectile and do another move pretty much immediately after, which makes baiting out ice breath easy to do sometimes. This also ties into his weak neutral game overall

I feel like a lot of gameplay as Superman relies on predicting the opponent, hoping they don't know a certain Superman trick, sometimes getting a quick hit in if you're absolutely certain you can get one in, and pretty much nothing else right now. Playing off prediction can be satisfying when everything comes together exactly how you want it to, but it is also pretty annoying once you realize you're literally just trying to play the entire match one step ahead constantly. It feels like a lot of Superman's kit doesn't actually come together to do much for the player, that's how I feel about him overall right now at least.

It could be a giant skill issue for me since the last time I played I was going up against Master and Grandmaster players, and I'm not built for that level or something, but I was somewhat deep into Master rank, so I think I have some sorta understanding of how it works. I'm also mainly speaking on higher levels of ranked play, but I assume everyone else in here is pretty great at the game and great with the character

[glad thunder]

Bro dont act like ice breath isnt broken lol

[prisma stone]

Woah

Like superman

[crimson mango]

Well, I'm definitely not going to call it "Broken" but I can say at best it is good when you use it for anything other than actually freezing the opponent and stopping an occasional projectile

[prisma stone]

Thats wild

[glad thunder]

Bro stop the cap its broken it can counter Marvins entire kit for example

[crimson mango]

Yes, I feel like you have to make a lot of reads in order to make something shake with Superman most of the time

[prisma stone]

Which are both what?

[glad thunder]

They need to change their entire gameplay

[prisma stone]

What are those examples of?

Ridiculously high risk reads?

[glad thunder]

Because u can just destroy projectiles for free

[prisma stone]

You getting tagged by sniper punch brodie?

And it kills gizmo at 100 maybe

Boowomp

[glad thunder]

It kills beetlejuice at 85

It happened to me

Idk if beetlejuice is light

[prisma stone]

I dont trust anything that comes outta your mouth so im sticking with 100

[crimson mango]

Well, yes, it's designed to stop projectiles. The problem with the move is the endlag which can make the move easy to bait out or play around, and the slow buildup to actually freezing the opponent,

[prisma stone]

BJs pretty light yh

Cool to know

[glad thunder]

Still broken, the end lag is almost nothing

[prisma stone]

Yeah that other guy smells well funny

[junior tendon]

End lag is one of the worst in the game

[glad thunder]

Uh

[prisma stone]

End lag of?

[junior tendon]

Ice breath

[glad thunder]

I feel like u havent played other characters outside of superman

[prisma stone]

Its like the one thing in supermans kit thats almost unpunishable 😭

[silk shadow]

Sniper punch isn’t great

Armour doesn’t activate early enough

[prisma stone]

Sniper punch is straight ass its like

[silk shadow]

For it to be that useful

[prisma stone]

Not a move

[glad thunder]

Sniper shot aint bad tho

Also superman side air special is kinda stupid

[silk shadow]

Easy to dodge ✅
Slow ✅
Can hit him out of it ✅

[glad thunder]

I know u can parry it but its really annoying

[prisma stone]

If someones looking to hand deliver you roses maybe 😭

If someone dropped they controller maybe 😭

[glad thunder]

Fr they need to fix side air special hitboxes

They hit from behind

[prisma stone]

And thats happening on every stage yes?

My bad

[crimson mango]

The only way you landing sniper punch is if you set it up or get a crazy read, most of the time you aren't going to be using it from my experience

[silk shadow]

No move should rely on the stage to be useable lol tbf

[glad thunder]

I dont know if Superman is broken or Beetlejuice just sucks, maybe both

[crimson mango]

A lot of Superman's move are only considered "Busted" if your opponent literally does not know Superman or the game well

[prisma stone]

Nah supermans just top 1

[silk shadow]

He’s not at all broken. Strong? Yes. Broken? No.

[prisma stone]

Fix morty 7 gorillion bugs

Nerf superman

[crimson mango]

We should buff Wonder Woman.

[glad thunder]

He is kinda broken dont lie to urslef

[prisma stone]

Buff joker

[silk shadow]

He’s really not

[crimson mango]

Genuinely, how?

[prisma stone]

But im not talmbout 2s am i mushty

[silk shadow]

Superman is amazing in 2s tbf

Bro gets RESULTS in 2s

Way more than 1s I think

I think most of his nerfs were because of his power in 2s

[glad thunder]

He has really good killpower, really good dmg build up, can destroy any projectile, great hitboxes

[silk shadow]

His pick rate is crazy

[prisma stone]

Yeah and superman cant be punished either

Up tilt? Unpunishable

[crimson mango]

Oh my

[prisma stone]

Laser? Unpunishable

[glad thunder]

Up special is also stupid should get armor removed

That move is insane

[crimson mango]

Huh

[prisma stone]

Up tilt

[glad thunder]

Its a win neutral move, almost no end lag

[silk shadow]

Don’t glaze him that much

[glad thunder]

What did i say thats wrong?

[prisma stone]

So has anyone else here played strive

[silk shadow]

Don’t get me wrong I think he’s good - but if he was as broken as you’re claiming more people would of caught onto it right now

[prisma stone]

Do you think this guy would be able to deal with sin

[silk shadow]

He’s just solid, not overpowered

He still has bad matchups

[glad thunder]

Everyone does

[silk shadow]

He’s not at all top 5

[crimson mango]

Is "Can destory any projectile" really a feat though? There are like 4 other characters that do this much better than him. I'm not too sure "Good killpower" is a good way to describe most of his moves either

[glad thunder]

Do u really think superman doesnt have good kill power

Is this a joke

[prisma stone]

Its average

[silk shadow]

Some have far less bad matchups such as the joker who has a positive win rate on most characters

[glad thunder]

Its still good

[prisma stone]

Its whatever

[glad thunder]

Duhh he is top 1 ofc

[prisma stone]

No supermans top 1 lol

[glad thunder]

I mean Joker

Oh nvm

Ur right

[prisma stone]

Okay you do mean superman got it

[silk shadow]

I am not denying he is strong, but claiming he’s op is definitely a stretch

[crimson mango]

It's literally not good enough to make a real notice out of. Almost every Superman main I've met agrees with this. At worst it's garbage, at best it's average? It's been a known fact for quite awhile now that there are other characters that just do Superman's job but far better

[glad thunder]

Supermans kill power is not garbage at all

[prisma stone]

Yeah cus people whinge about him like up b is frame 1 or somt 😭

[silk shadow]

I agree

Like I said - solid A tier character

[glad thunder]

Also ice breath needs a nerfs

[glad thunder]

Lets be honest guys

[prisma stone]

With actual changes for compensation

[silk shadow]

He’d need compensation buffs

[prisma stone]

Like

[silk shadow]

He relies on that move

Watch him at top play

[prisma stone]

No ones contesting you

You arent the mc lil bro

[silk shadow]

They literally just mash ice breath because it’s the best way to safely get damage

[crimson mango]

If there are only 4 characters that can deal with projectiles (Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Batman, Superman, can't remember who else can deal with them right now) and 3 of them can do it far better than him, I don't think I'm going to give Superman a point there

[prisma stone]

Lol

I appreciate the observation i guess

[glad thunder]

I feel like superman does better than all of them

[glad thunder]

Batman has cooldown on his

[prisma stone]

Black adams movement is like

[crimson mango]

Maybe Batman, but definitely not Wonder Woman. I still believe Wonder Woman is just a better Superman at this point

[prisma stone]

More than enough to deal with projectiles

[glad thunder]

She is better than anyone

[crimson mango]

True... true...

[glad thunder]

She is broken

[crimson mango]

LOL

[prisma stone]

Nah

Mid tier WW

[glad thunder]

Every DC characters has smth broken abt them

[prisma stone]

Mid tier arya

PFG

[crimson mango]

They need to buff her

[prisma stone]

Buff my characters (im a sponsored creator)

BA doesnt jus deal with projectiles with down b

So like

[crimson mango]

We been knew DC solos fiction so that's not surprising to me

[prisma stone]

Also stripe can deal with projectiles

[silk shadow]

It’s funny how they’ve nerfed ww multiple times and she still gets amazing results

[prisma stone]

And jokers air neutral b can atomise bugs rocket

So

5

[silk shadow]

Bro stripe went from minor inconvenience to annoying little butt wipe

[glad thunder]

I believe Black Adam has actual no whiff frames

[prisma stone]

Stripes sick they should give him everything

[silk shadow]

One of the least fun characters to fight imo

I am not calling him strong

[crimson mango]

The nerfs they give to Wonder Woman is for like the most random stuff or they basically do nothing. My conspiracy theory is that they know the entire playerbase will leave if they make Wonder Woman (And maybe Harley too) more honest

[silk shadow]

He is simply that one low placed character I hate fighting

[prisma stone]

Yeah

[glad thunder]

And they buffed her for some reason

Like

[crimson mango]

REAL.

[glad thunder]

Laso did not need a buff

At all

[prisma stone]

Kid named partnership program

[crimson mango]

I was genuinely bewildered when I saw that Wonder Woman buff or revert whatever they call it

[silk shadow]

Considering they gave Harley completely necessary nerfs, the Harley mains cried about it because they didn’t have a 101% win rate anymore so they buffed her again (making her once more pancake by slamming down tilt)

[crimson mango]

I'm convinced Harley and Wonder Woman mains are most of the playerbase

[silk shadow]

I think you may be right

[prisma stone]

Loudest fs

[silk shadow]

Have you played ranked?

Wait

I’m a Zumbas

Dumb ass

You’re a master player mb

It’s only Harley, WW and Joker

[crimson mango]

Yeah, but only 1v1 ranked. The one guy I play 2v2s with does not like anything ranked LOL I usually play against Wonder Woman, Harley, Bugs Bunny, and sometimes Joker in there

[silk shadow]

I KNOW!!!

[prisma stone]

Yeah but harley has prepatch superman nair attached to two kicks 😭

[silk shadow]

Literally feels like one of superman’s worst matchups too

[prisma stone]

Harley downplayers look insane

[crimson mango]

NAH FR

That huge ass hammer move she has and those 2 kicks be getting on my nerves sometimes

[silk shadow]

She’s faster than you, has better DPS, can get around ice breath, you’re combo food for her and she can pancake under most of your moves with down tilt (which she can combo off of)

[prisma stone]

Fair is stupid

[silk shadow]

Harley haters unite

[crimson mango]

Harley Quinn's infinite combo back in the beta had me distraught

[glacial obsidian]

if u catch someone with grounded up-special, is it worth to make them tech-roll by doing down-air afterwards?

[prisma stone]

How confident are you on catching techs

[glacial obsidian]

nobody uses neutral-tech so kinda decent

[prisma stone]

Ye go for it

[grizzled ferry]

Fix supes batman skin

[devout sage]

Scum

[glacial obsidian]

are there any combos that are only possible when a opponent is affected with stacks of Ice-breath?

[sacred swan]

Freeze them and then combo a sniper punch into them

[trail osprey]

they should have never killed the momentum on neutral air

[keen abyss]

I really hate fighting Morty

[glad thunder]

I really hate fighting Superman

[hollow grove]

Gunfire Reborn DLC just dropped

[devout sage]

Scum

[toxic glen]

mcuS

[glacial obsidian]

om

bite abuser mad

[glacial obsidian]

what loop?

u mean every time soopermayne does jab > down-attack?

there's a thing called DI-up

[hollow grove]

Blud complaining about superman post nerfs

Wild work

[toxic glen]

How do you even fight up special

[glacial obsidian]

break it with armor

[toxic glen]

What armor

Finn doesn't have any armor moves

[glacial obsidian]

anti-armor attacks

[carmine panther]

real

[carmine panther]

and they won't stop either

[hollow grove]

If he whiffs it he gets nothing and burns dodge meter

Burnout duration got increased

[carmine panther]

you used to play Supes didn't you

[hollow grove]

He cant loop with down tilt anymore because of auto tech

[toxic glen]

He can just cancel out of it

[carmine panther]

if you dodge it or he hits you with it yes

otherwise no he can't

[toxic glen]

I just saw a superman use it and just cancel out of it immediately

Okay now that I'm trying it in lab you can't

But I'm not crazy

The dude literally did it and I couldn't hit him

[toxic glen]

Alright I'm playing superman again dangit

[carmine panther]

best of luck to ya

[toxic glen]

Just almost beat a master v tom and Jerry I cooked

I wish they didn't have the stupid paddle loop

[glad thunder]

Autistic Chinese Morty

[glacial obsidian]

I think they changed it to where they can't do a Jerry shot after paddle so, u should be able to DI out of it. they can jab, it's delayed. probably DI-up?

[toxic glen]

I did try didn't work

[glacial obsidian]

oh dang

[warped elm]

I pray for you all to get a fix on laser and nerf on ice breath, sad that a character with such cool skins are so buggy

[pliant cedar]

Damn supes prestige skin looks cool asf

[junior tendon]

Any moment now, we will find out if our laser is fixed in this patch

[lean sentinel]

💀

I think they messed with ice breath

Superman needed buffs not nerfs smh

[deft island]

does anyone really use ice breath? anytime i've tried to use it i just get hit

[lean sentinel]

I see supermans using it in dubs

[pliant cedar]

superman patch notes seem fine

i think

[sacred swan]

Grounded up Special still doesn't reliably connect after last patch's shadow nerf along with his Nair and Sair momentum being shortened. This patch only addressed the Sair momentum and nerfed him a bit more. RIP

[glacial obsidian]

it's still Superman. we stronk

[deft island]

well they say heat vision is fixed do you think it really is

[junior tendon]

Starting to really loathe scoobs mansion today. I pray the fix truly fixes it

[glacial obsidian]

I think it doesn't not make him powerful even if he had not had it 'cuz he is Superman is Superman and being strong is his name, is it not? 💩

[pliant cedar]

Its ok pookies

True superman mains dont give up

Besides u guys are in a much better position than some others lol

[hollow grove]

They gave back the air momentum nice

And gutted his ice breath beyond belief lol

[deft island]

Unless I'm getting walled by projectiles I don't use ice very much any time I've tried to use ice aggressively I just get hit

[vague inlet]

Yeah it’s hard to land multiple stacks of his ice breath against someone who’s moving a ton

[glad thunder]

Good

[simple quest]

*fixed an issue where eye lasers would detonate on incorrect surfaces. Does this mean his eye beams are fixed on scoob mansion?

[junior tendon]

Hopefully.

[pliant cedar]

Most likely lol what else would it mean tbh

[junior tendon]

Oof the laser fix got to be our biggest nerf

[harsh raptor]

literally, it doesnt go through platforms anymore, literally nerfed this character so hard, LASERS ARE WORSE THAN BEFORE

[fallow herald]

we cooked

[crimson mango]

Am I trippin or does the laser still not work

[junior tendon]

It's working for me on the mansion map

[harsh raptor]

they made it so it doesnt go through platforms, which means on half the ranked maps supes laser is bad

[junior tendon]

It takes 3 frost breaths to freeze a character (not that we were ever freezing anyone)

[keen eagle]

appears you can move vertically with his air side special

[keen eagle]

yo he kinda crazy rn

[glad thunder]

Isnt that what u guys asked for

[keen eagle]

they actually reverted his side air special back to it’s beta state 💀

[keen eagle]

it’s fair tbh, the lasers don’t feel bugged now

can’t speak for the ice breath

[warped elm]

Holy Superman feels fast af

Like the up b just send me flying crazy for some reason lmao

[deft island]

He just holding back less

[vague inlet]

How is Superman doing in this patch?

Noticed his ice breath can’t be held forever and his air side special can be angled more sharply

[glacial obsidian]

still Superman 😎

[vague inlet]

Should I just switch to sniper punch or 5% cause honestly idk how effective freeze breath is now honestly

[deft island]

i use flaming reentry its more helpful than you think

[vague inlet]

Hm maybe

Agh wish I didn’t have to spend so much perk currency for Superman lol

His ground up special has some evil kill power tho

Should I get snowball effect for him too?

[warped elm]

5%, I don't think you should rely on a perk like sniper punch

[warped elm]

Yeh

[vague inlet]

True, it’s incredibly hard to hit even though it can be absolutely devastating

[sacred swan]

#clips Superman can never miss a move

[vague inlet]

Yo Superman honestly pretty nice right now

He can dodge forward and I think his side air can carry momentum so you can just dash in and hit someone

Also decided to get his up special perk and stick with flammable for now (until I get enough perk points to get snowball) because I can still use frost breath to quickly apply the flammable effect and build up damage quickly

Having two ways to apply burn and also just how hard Superman hits should probably make building up damage pretty easy for him

[deft island]

How is it the character is better but I'm some how worse now

[hollow grove]

Gave some air momentum back, made lasers a lil better, but cooked ice breath

[sudden geyser]

Imo

Just give ice breath a meter

Like back in the beta

[woven gust]

Not gonna lie yall supe feeling pretty nice right now

He feels how he used to feel back in beta almost this momentum rework makes him feel much nicer lmk what yall think

[glacial obsidian]

he's ok. great in 2s. Batman better for 1s

[junior tendon]

So we can't laser the ppg since they float :/

[hollow grove]

I dare say this character feels good to play again?

Let me not be too hasty

[hollow grove]

The lasers still dont hit if people dont have their feet FIRMLY planted on the ground

Such an stupid thing that probably cant be fixed unless they change the entire hit box of the move

and I doubt the person tweeking most of these characters can just DO that freely

[vague inlet]

Sometimes I just use lasers from high up to surprise attack people waiting on the ground

Heck I respawned and jumped up, hit the lasers, knocked the enemy up, then up aired them to get the kill

I’m not gonna lie

Know how Batman has an animated series skin? I kinda want Superman to get one too at some point. Honestly really find the art style of Superman TAS very appealing for some reason

[warped elm]

Superman is top 10 again

[golden relic]

@carmine panther ayo homes I think we might be back

supes looking mighty scrumptious right now

[carmine panther]

Oh yup I might have to peep

[crimson mango]

That momentum boost changed everything

For me at least

Making Freeze Breath almost completely useless now and getting a momentum boost is a good trade

[crude lark]

Superman feels much better to use with the new air momentum.

[hollow grove]

@random valley Why did you rage quit you were cooking me in the second game

[random valley]

😂I had work at 8am

[hollow grove]

@valid holly :c

[vague inlet]

Should I just be using Superman for 2s? Feels like I struggle to get movement right in 1s

[toxic glen]

Add pink kryptonite

[vale halo]

ooh lets goo Superman Section

hello all Superman players

[warped elm]

Anthos won a tournament with Superman today, I think Superman is SO back

[hollow grove]

Everyone else is just beans

This character is not broken lol

[warped elm]

Idk man the only think Superman needed was speed and momentum changes, he's in a good place, better than most of the characters rn

He's good at approaching again, good at cheesing, he's pretty good rn

[sudden geyser]

Ppg nair on superman is evil

[vague inlet]

Ppg on their way to use incredibly fast, disjointed, long reached attacks that let them juggle Superman for days cause OMG I hate fighting them so much

[carmine panther]

goat pfp

[vague inlet]

Christopher Reeve forever the Superman

[carmine panther]

real

[dense solar]

I wanna try out superman

What are the recommended perks for him?

[hollow grove]

I actually think her Side special needs to be nerfed

Disjointed armor breaking multihit/grab

Does way too much

[vale halo]

I can tell you Whatever Perks makes you can win with

[dense solar]

So basically my personal preference really?

[vale halo]

yep thats what it basically is

[dense solar]

Didn't expect that

[sudden geyser]

It's such an unfair match up

You can Ice breathe it to stop it but it's so fast

That you have to do like 8 frames before they do it

[vale halo]

Superman is great but the perks is very hard to choose you may have someone with this perks and they will say use these and you may get beaten fast a lot

basically in other words try each perk and find the perks you are great at

[crude lark]

Trying to step my game up with Superman any combos I should look into?

[deft island]

Snowball last stand purglist

[deft island]

At high % you can kill confirm with laser to up air
Air up b to dodge side air is more consistent now

[vale halo]

won another fight as Superman Power Puff Girls player gave up lol 🤣

[deft island]

Nice it's a hard fight but doable

[vale halo]

yep

[harsh raptor]

I use the new extra jump perk over last stand , 5% prob best one aswell

[vale halo]

ah okay

Im playing Superman in Injustice Gods Among Us until The Servers are back up

[crude lark]

Is there any starting at low percent?

[deft island]

you can always go for the loop jab jab d tilt dodge jab jab d tilt if you read the direction they tech you can continue it farther

at low % you can always try and start a juggle with heat vision i like to land with nair to go into a ground up b from there i can drag them back down by finishing up b or i can start a juggle with up air or force them off stage with a side air

[crude lark]

Ok I’ll try that laser juggle I’ve not done that before

[deft island]

good luck too bad the servers are down

[crude lark]

I got in

[muted lotus]

Hello, Superman player with broken I key here. My primary bnb is a lil harder but its Jab one, jump dair, land into jab jab utilt into sair

Fun and flashy

[crude lark]

Thanks I’ll add it to the list

[vale halo]

@muted lotus huh

[deft island]

jab dair is that true?

[vale halo]

oh

its combos and stuff

[muted lotus]

Yuh

Only jab one though into dair, jab two lets them dodge out

it's easier when you use C-stick

[deft island]

i'm normally playing a spacing/air game so i don't get very many chances to start jab but i'll keep this in mind

[muted lotus]

I bounce from "I'm going to sit directly diagonal from you midair and spam lasers", to "I'm breathing down your neck"

Whatever the situation comes for, I'm just inherently very aggro when it comes to fighting games

[deft island]

i'm aggressive in this game i'm much more passive in my other games

[muted lotus]

I feel that

[muted lotus]

Also if you get every punch out of rapid jab before the last swing, u-tilt and neutral attack are true

it's like, nine hits, just don't let him do the big haymaker at the end

[deft island]

if were weren't in maintenance i'd be asking for the mirror match

[muted lotus]

Maintenance is down

at least I'm online

making sure I'm not lying

[deft island]

huh an update whats this one for

[muted lotus]

PPG nerf, Batman shift, WW is no longer as short as Harley for some reason

also knockback not being applied when on corners of terrain

[deft island]

did they fix ppg nair?

[muted lotus]

I lost against a Bladam because of that actually

[muted lotus]

Got nerfed

Hitstun reduced on DA, Nair doesn't cancel as fast

[deft island]

ppg just didn't get knocked back if they were in the nair animation before

[muted lotus]

That's vile

[deft island]

i hit ppg with uptilt and they didn't go anywhere the worst part was i buffered air up b

oh my god they fixed the weekly missions

Fixed an issue where knockback would not be applied properly during trade hits under certain conditions
oh so that wasn't just a ppg thing

[muted lotus]

Yeah

had that happen to me on ranked too

[deft island]

well then do you want to run the set @muted lotus

[muted lotus]

I can do a couple sure

[deft island]

cool make a room name Xenohaste

[vale halo]

made Another power puff player quit lol

[muted lotus]

You run my exact old set

[deft island]

oh wow you're really good

[muted lotus]

me uperman

I've been maining him since Beta

[deft island]

same

[muted lotus]

I've been molded by the cheese

LMAO

[deft island]

i finally got that dodge sair kill

[muted lotus]

It's so funny

[deft island]

i fell lol

[muted lotus]

Dying offstage going for the wumbo play always hurts

always go for the wumbo play

Nicely done

I'm being downloaded

[deft island]

i need to learn you are getting the jab strings so easily

[muted lotus]

Me jab

NO THE GRAB THING HAPPENED

If Superman gets stuffed during up special, he'll just drop you with no momentum

[deft island]

and then i fell to my death

[muted lotus]

Last one

[deft island]

ight

gg that was fun

[muted lotus]

Holy you're fat LMAO

GG's man

Clark Kent refusal to die is huge

heavyweight mirrors are hilarious

[deft island]

i have a friend that yell di wheneven he lives too long

btw i have anti life but was feeling soal power today

[muted lotus]

I was really betting on gimping you with the falling Uspecial lmao

Regen suit is my favorite since it's out of my favorite Superman movie

Death Metal Superman is definitely up there, now we just need Clark

[deft island]

same i'm only i remember the back suit from the superman doomsday movie back in the early 2000s

[muted lotus]

The very same movie

Gas movie

Lost the DVD

[carmine panther]

I remember being so hyped for that movie when it came out

[deft island]

well 4-5 your favor so mostly even any tips since now you've seen my playstyle

[muted lotus]

Btw small tip, if you cancel out of rapid jab at any point that's not the very end, isn't true. It hits me because I don't mash dodge all the time like an online player

Fall off stage more with Uspecial, you can jsut cancel and the big hand is a threat still

I already mentioned my BnB, doesn't work at high percents anways but you can just Jab jab utilt, or jab utilt/neutral attack since you want to fish for a kill

everything else I liked

Your passive style helped since I fly into you swinging

[deft island]

i didn't do it but for some match ups i like to run off and heat vision the wall

[muted lotus]

So no tips on that either, Anthos is like that

[vale halo]

Not A Iron Giant Player

[muted lotus]

Also good

[vale halo]

Im dead as I know it

[muted lotus]

Giant :^(

I knew he was doomed

[muted lotus]

This or just wait and breathe

I take the fire perk for that reason, but you know, kinda worse now

I'd rather have a meter again

but this is still good

[muted lotus]

Also good you didn't do that since we were mainly boxing and jumping around ledge anyways lmao

[deft island]

i don't know what it is about superman mirrors but we always spend half the match off stage

[muted lotus]

We crave the cheddar

It's every Superman mirror

Lore accurate air battle until one of us gets stuffed and slowly spins to a descent

[deft island]

true the same thing happened when i challenged flash_mvs

[vale halo]

Yeah

I beaten The IRON GIANT

[muted lotus]

I really haven't played Superman that much until this patch actually

Just been Smith and BG, originally it was Jason and Superman

[deft island]

same i was learn beetlejuice in season 2

[muted lotus]

'Xactly

Favorite assassin

But the moment I saw Supes move his arm up and down, I actually tweaked out this patch

[vale halo]

I just got Jason Voorhees he is my Character Fully now

[muted lotus]

Jason is the homie

Adding armor to his grab was a very good change

[deft island]

i fought my friend's ig with bj and the end screen said it took 700 damage to beat him last season

[muted lotus]

When IG was in Beta, my damage badge was absolutely absurd

Back when his bodyslam just kept hitting you on ground

I don't know how they calculate the highest damage dealt badge, but it's never budged from 2,830 since Beta Giant

[deft island]

huh i just got challanged by someone but when i got to check the psn notification it was gone

[vale halo]

Im a Jason Voorhees and Superman Main

[hollow grove]

Why is every character in the game hitting me from 0 to 50

Why does every Morty player keep taunting

OMG I won a game against a Morty

[toxic glen]

Ok nerf superman

[crimson mango]

Bro ranked only consist of camping Mortys, camping Batman waiting for their batarang, and Shaggy players that mash buttons 😭 I ain't see ANYONE ELSE so far

The ranked grind a bit excruciating

[pliant cedar]

Camping batmen

Impossible

Batman always aggressive

[crimson mango]

My bad actually. The word I'm looking for when it comes to the Batman players I've faced is "Passive" more than "Camping" but I honestly think that's like the only real way to play against Superman most of the time, it sure is boring to play tho. I'm probably going to take a break from ranked when I reach diamond

[pliant cedar]

Yeah batman gotta play passive against supes tbh

Hes so hard to fight

As a batman player

[hollow grove]

What is up with this company and making broken side specials

PPG's side special is literally a disjointed multihit grab kill move that also helps them get back to stage

[crimson mango]

PPG side special is their biggest issue for me personally

[sudden geyser]

Its the ppg nair

[crimson mango]

They can just do it damn near for free off stage as far as I know

[sudden geyser]

It basically counts everything

Multi hit

Breaks armor

Disjointed

Can combo into another nair

And then can combo into a kill move

It's giving me smash ultimate Ike nair vibes

[hollow grove]

Meanwhile Superman got his nair momentum twice removed like a drunk cousin

[crimson mango]

They got that Pit nair

Except the range on it is crazy

[sudden geyser]

Its absurd 😭

[sudden geyser]

Don't worry another 20 dollar skin!!

[crimson mango]

I think they're the only character in the game that has a weird nair like that

[sudden geyser]

Black adam beta nair was like that

And probably better

It still is disjointed in launch but far more manageable

[hollow grove]

Played against a bugs who just spamed his neutral air to win

Folded him in the second game and he quits out of the third

I wish the average age of people who played this was above 15

[crimson mango]

Nah bruh I just went against this Batman player and he was legit just standing on my lasers and nothing was happening 😭

This move will never work

[hollow grove]

It doesnt work half the time against PPG because they are technically in the air all the time

No one on the dev team plays Superman

[crimson mango]

The only time it works for them is when they're on a platform for like a nanosecond, it's so weird how it works against them

[hollow grove]

I got Diamond letzz goooo

69% win rate NICE!

[crimson mango]

Good job man!

[deft island]

absolute superman bruh that book isnt even out yet

[crimson mango]

I preordered my enjoyment

[deft island]

fair enough

[sudden geyser]

I fighting shaggy man

[keen eagle]

Had a hard time against the PPGs

what’s the gameplan against em?

[deft island]

play the range game against them you can freeze the side special i find staying on the ground will get you punished due to the range of down tilt i tend to jump around them and look for an opening to start pressure with sair

[keen eagle]

I find the freeze breath to be kind of unreliable in this patch it doesn’t last nearly as long and it has such end lag on start it’s very whiff punishable, might be better to just manoeuvre around

[rapid scroll]

How can I counter Supe's ground side special spam? Like even with someone that has non-attack options like Stripe it feels like I have to outplay the entire match to even stand a chance otherwise I die super quickly

[deft island]

you're talking about zoom punch right as soon as he teleports he can hit he only get the armor during his punch animation before that he can be hit out of it also stripe is kinda hard for sups a good stripe can juggle sups not to metion skateboard conters heat vision

[hollow grove]

They take more damage from being an assassin and they die if you jab them into charged up tilt at 85

Ice breath stops their side special but the nerf to it means if you dont read them using it they get a punish most of the time

I also found their head hit box is higher then it appears so you can get some air side specials for damage

and they almost always come down with buttons so chase them down with air neutral into side air even tho it isnt true

Other then that run Last Stand because every hit they get means 30-40 damage. Youll spend most of the match past 100 no matter how well you play honestly

Also the character is 3 days old and im not a pro player so take all this with a grain of salt

[crimson mango]

Superbros I reached Diamond

I'm a part of the club now

[crimson mango]

The sniper punch leaves Superman open for a quick little second if he misses, and it's really hard to land unless you know you have a HARD READ or you combo into it. The super armor on the move activates at like the very last second too, so you could try to punch out of it. If this game had better servers I would suggest trying to parry it, but that's unreliable most of the time

People usually just punch out of it or dodge up and then spike the Superman doing sniper punch if it's off stage

[keen eagle]

to be honest default 5% signature perk is probably the best

[crimson mango]

It's literally all I've been using pretty much since the launch of the game lol the other signature perks aren't really that worthwhile to me. The fire landing one is pretty good if your opponent camps the edge and you don't want to go down I guess, but it's kinda easy to play around that. Also, it's more fun to just ground up special off stage and land right on to them and kill them

[keen eagle]

also Tom & Jerry is a nightmare match for him

either that or I was facing a menace of a T&J main

[crimson mango]

I have trouble playing against them too

My biggest issues when getting to Diamond was Tom and Jerry, Batman, and Black Adam. Everyone else was fine

[simple surge]

Hi

It's my first time in server

I wanted to do a rant about superman, and i'll like to hear what other superman players think about it

[simple surge]

I think that superman has a few problems of design in his special abilities. The sniper punch its an attack that is better not to use it most of the time because it is very difficult to hit and very easy to punish. The ice breath only has a purpose if the enemy has proyectiles, and some of them are better to avoid than to use the ice breath because the ability leaves you a little exposed to punishments. The laser beams are worst now then before they bugfix them. The follow up explosions in the ground were already difficult to hit, I swear the enemy can be standing there and not be hit for the explosions, but now the ability work even plataforms, which ended up covering the enemys from the lasers. And The worst part it's for the ground version of the laser beams. Why? Because it's totally useless. I can't think a situation where I would prefere the ground down special over the netrual or up ground attack. All have armor, but the last two have better damage, knockback and hitbox size. It ends up begin the same as nothing cause always would better use something else.

[wooden siren]

@simple surge i play superman

All i really use is rapid punch and armour moves

He isnt the big dawg he was in the beta

But hes still good enough to beat half the cast

[simple surge]

I don't say that he's weak because all that. But I'll like more variety in the way you play him.

Maybe it's a git good thing

Am not gonna lie

Am terrible

And sorry for my bad english

[simple surge]

But when I play superman i feel like all that I can do is be defensive, waiting to enemy makes a mistake, do 2 side attacks, down attack and repeat, and up special and up jab.

[clear torrent]

Would Well Rounded, Snowball Effect, Last Stand and Pugilist be the best perks for Superman in 1v1s?

[deft island]

oh it is sups can be very aggressive when you need to be not to mention he is a menace to everyone off stage if you watch high level sups you'll know what i mean

[warped elm]

I gotta disagree with the ice breath, the movement IS still crazy, I tought it was useless after nerf but no, you still can hit someone off stage and start using it, you make the other one slower, make him recover on a bad way or either make him hug the wall if the stacks are high and once you get 15 stacks you get an easy combo or even a kill, if you want to cheese use sniper punch

And as I said, it's good, I learn that from Anthos on the last tournament, he started using it like that and it's good since it's oppresive

About lasers we all know that but Superman got such a good changes that this patch he is in a good spot, lasers now aren't that optimal to the gameplay

[keen eagle]

I started watching Anthos vids too, the ones where he was facing against the Garnet/BG player man was crazy insane with his Supes

[junior tendon]

Kinda hope we get a rework à la batman for our ground down special.

[crude lark]

I’d replace it with super flare from the comics

[deft island]

isn't that new 52 superman only

[crude lark]

I mean yeah but it could be a cool move to have instead of grounded lasers.

[valid citrus]

Whats the main way to play around Supes armour? Smith main struggling a bit with the mu

My main thing is basically approaching Supes was rough

[clever apex]

I don’t understand how you fight black Adam as Superman

Anyone got any advice?

[sudden geyser]

Reached diamond with superman

I am DONE

With ranked

[sudden geyser]

Fish for jab

And counter his air approachs with clap

[clever apex]

I’m Superman

[sudden geyser]

Pray they are horrible

[clever apex]

Feels like that’s the only option lmao

[crimson mango]

Pretty sure Smith is a bad matchup, so all you can really do is try to bait out an attack from Superman, or just wait for him to whiff and play off that. I'm like almost certain playing passive is the only way to play against Superman in ranked when you're playing as someone who is not that good against him. It's kinda lame, but you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm not too familiar with Smith's moveset names tho, so I can't help with that part exactly

A lot of the time, the ground up tilt is used as a read on Superman, so try not to dodge into Superman much since they're usually expecting you to. One of those armor break perks might help you somewhat too. Superman overall is a stubby character, so he does have a hard time approaching most of the time, especially since his laser still does not work well

[valid citrus]

Alr

[verbal gate]

bro did they buff grounded up special i stg this thing hits like a truck now

[hollow grove]

It actually got nerfed

[verbal gate]

Feels amazing tho 😩

Maybe I’m just getting better at abusing it

[verbal gate]

low damage hard read combo kills are just so

feels so good

[carmine panther]

We're so back

[verbal gate]

gawd i love superman mirrors

[verbal gate]

they actually returned superman's instadeath up special grab -> fair/nair

[simple surge]

The summer break superman skin no longer has unique voice lines? In S1 superman spoke as if he were Clarck Kent, but now I play with that skin and he has the same voice lines as the base skin

[toxic glen]

That was a glitch, thats for a intended Clark Kent skin

[verbal gate]

No way

[carmine panther]

That makes literally no sense

How does a glitch like that even happen

[warped elm]

Dunno, for example Evil Morty didn't had any original voice lines in release, they were in the files

While that skin got some voice lines that wasn't even for that skin lol

This company is weird that's all

[verbal gate]

I mean batmanwholaughs always calls superman bruce

[neat wadi]

superman feels different

[verbal gate]

He feel a lil better lowkey

[toxic glen]

Are superman's jab combos not true on Morty

[carmine panther]

you dropping Superman from your name on and off is the funniest thing to me 😭

[toxic glen]

I can't decide if I wanna main him lmao

I just wanna play 2 characters

[carmine panther]

3 is a magic number

[golden relic]

I started trying out Morty to see what it feels like to be on the opposite side of the supes vs morty matchup

ended up really liking his player style and I'm tryna get good with him

still gonna play supes though

[toxic glen]

Water tower is literally unwinnable using superman I swear

[flint trout]

is frost breath useful at all

[warped elm]

Yes if you want to slow down the enemy without risking your life off stage

A lot of Superman players need to learn that from Anthos lol

[verbal gate]

risking ur life off stage is the superman way

[flint trout]

always, he can fly goddammit so i sure as hell wil too

Best way to break out of combos from faster guys like batman? Do you just DI out like everyone else or are there armor moves to tank and counter attack

[flint trout]

also does heat vision only work on the ground?

[verbal gate]

it'll hit if they're like right infront of you as well. Heat vision also works on the platform but, for me at least, it's so bugged, it just sometimes won't work. Someone standing on the ground literally charging an attack? They're dead center in the middle of the sweep? They don't even try to avoid it? The explosion is tickling their thighs? Missed.

[carmine panther]

They couldn't even fix that right😭😭😭

[verbal gate]

they fixed one bug, before I couldn't even see my own laser trail so i was just operating on random guessing and muscle memory.

i guess im still guessing tho

[carmine panther]

real

[golden relic]

I think its funny that ppg can dodge the lasers by standing still

this isn't sarcasm I really do think its funny

[verbal gate]

big whoop, everyone can dodge the lasers by standing still

[lament ridge]

Yall is Jab 1 into jump dair still true? I've practiced it over and over and can not land the dair

[lament ridge]

I also learned it works with the "that's flammable doc" perk for easy burn damage

[warped elm]

It is, I remember anthos using it against ppg days ago, idk if it's % dependant tho

[verbal gate]

super punch combos are so hard 😩

i mean they go so hard

[vague inlet]

Honestly kinda wish they gave Superman a Batman 85 skin

Wonder Woman got one, so why not Superman? Feel like he would celebrate his friend’s birthday lol

[crude lark]

A Christopher Reeves skin would be great

[flint trout]

A Henry cavill skin would also slap

[vague inlet]

Oh yeah that would be awesome

Wasn’t he like THE Superman actor? 1978 Superman is awesome

[crude lark]

Yes

if Batman can get the Michael Keaton suit it would make sense to add Reeves Superman as a skin.

[deft island]

what about a monochrome George Reeves skin?

[crude lark]

I’m not familiar with that one

[deft island]

he's the first live action superman he was the old tv show he was one the air before color tv and was there when they introduced color he had a long run as superman

[crude lark]

That would be nice to have since it has history to it.

[deft island]

i feel like if they ever do it they would also add Lynda Carter wonder woman and Adam West batman

[crude lark]

Their should also be a taunt for Superman with him going into the phonebox

[deft island]

that should have been his battle intro

[feral yew]

Remove this disgusting filth from the game

[hollow grove]

Youre bad

[feral yew]

And you play on PC

We not the same lil bru

[olive depot]

How comes superman players rarely post on youtube?

[warped elm]

You can see anthos on a lot of tournaments and uzi streams so I think that's pretty good

[olive depot]

true, i just wish there were more superman content creators, yk?

there are like 8 supes players who are well known and that's basically it

[crimson spire]

any Superman mains here? I wanna know what his best signature perk is for 2v2s, 1v1s, and FFA

[olive depot]

honestly, there isn't really a "best" sig perk when regarding supes

they're all good so it basically comes down to preference

[hazy birch]

can one of y'all help me out with this character? I want a few tips on how to learn him

[olive depot]

Anything specific you need tips on?

[hazy birch]

just playing neutral and figuring out what tools to use

[olive depot]

Ice breath is a decent tool on people a certain distance away (also prevents proj spam). Sair is a good approach tool but make sure it’s IAD to get the max range

His jab is kinda ass cause of his stubby arms so he doesn’t get a lot of priority off it so be careful of that

Laser is good at keeping people on there toes as it carpet-bombs on the floor and the wall, you can use up-air after they’re hit (at high %s) for easy kill confirm, and the ground version is good for fast armor and prevents sliding moves

[crude lark]

Grounded up special is a good get off me tool. You can use up air or sair after you go off the ground with it. One thing to remember with it is it doesn’t have armor on the way down so you can get hit in the middle of it.

[crimson spire]

hm ok, then maybe what would you say is the worst or least effective?

[olive depot]

Personally, probably the flaming re-entry

Burn damage is cool but I get more out of the other ones

Plus the ice breath sig perk and ignite perk combo is better than re-entry imo

[crimson spire]

anyone know the exact numbers of how much more dmg an enemy takes per stack of ice with Break The Ice?

[crimson spire]

does Supes have any projectiles to take advantage of that flame perk? That's Flammable Doc is the name I believe

[crude lark]

Frost breath activates the flammable doc perk.

[deft island]

yes but i find ice to be a liability i get punished for using it most of the time

[crude lark]

I mainly use it as an edgeguard tool or to cancel out projectiles.

[golden relic]

Name checks out

[crude lark]

Indeed

[crimson spire]

but won't stacks of ice remove the ignited effect even if TFD procs and you hit them?

[crimson spire]

also if anyone knows this I would love for you to share

[crude lark]

The freeze and ignite effect don’t counteract each other it works like it does for other characters.

[crimson spire]

oh cool, my b I just assumed it did cause I think I've seen it happen in rifts where if I ignite an enemy then they lose ice stacks fast and vice versa

[crude lark]

It seems fine for me at least, sometimes I struggle to hit them in time after I do freeze breath to use doc. It ends up with just the ice stack if you don’t hit them in time when the glowing fist is around the opponent.

[olive depot]

It’s like an additional 2-3 dmg per 3 ice stacks

A fully charged sair on its own does 11 dmg. 3 stacks would do 13, 6 stacks would do 15, etc.

[crimson spire]

That seems kinda good actually

[olive depot]

It’s pretty useful but your spacing and timing has to be A+ to use ice breath😭

Unless you use it for edge-guarding

[crimson spire]

Crap, I’m like mediocre at the game so what do you recommend I use? Sniper Punch?

[olive depot]

Yh that can be good at any skill lvl

It’s also good against zoners like tnj, black Adam, etc

The knockback is kinda ass if they’re in your face, but max range sniper can kill most people at like 60%

[crimson spire]

ah ok cause I enjoyed using it but most of the time I get hit on my way to hit someone from far away so I don't even get a hit in

[olive depot]

Yh it’s immune to projectiles but regular melee attacks can still interrupt it before he gets armor

I usually spam nair in mirror matches to interfere with sniper punch spam

[crimson spire]

imma need to get used to using ice breath more often for thats flammable doc, seems pretty good and I wanna get value out of the ice perk

[olive depot]

Good luck

It helped me get to masters in 2s cause of how crazy it is

[crimson spire]

oh damn I REALLY need to now

and for his other perks I'm guessing Last Stand and Pugilist?

[olive depot]

Last stand was taken out but pugilist is good👍🏾

Speed assist is usually the go to for me now that last stand is gone

[ember hatch]

They gotta fix Superman's Gotham Guardian and Matrix Code skins!! Superman also wears the Black Lantern ring on most other skins too.

[crimson spire]

not for me I still have it equipped on all my characters?

oh its a visual bug

[warped elm]

If you have it from before then you can use it

[crimson spire]

perfect game

[flint trout]

what do you use instead of last stand anymore

[crude lark]

I’ve been using the speed force perk.

[sacred swan]

Never fix this please. I've been using the Gotham Shirt skin and it's been great 🔥

[ember hatch]

it's fixed

both skins

fixed

[vale solar]

There's a Starman

[astral gate]

A Superman montage, yep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPnHvGA8Kuc&t=358s

[reef zinc]

How is the matchup against garnet?

[vague inlet]

I 5-0’d a Batman while playing Superman and I’ve never felt so awesome

Really feel like I made use of air dodge for movement

[alpine coral]

@sweet sky gg brother i never would’ve expected to queue into you under these circumstances

[lean sentinel]

fighting g3 twice in a row smh

3 times in a row 💀

bruh im only plat 3

this game is dead i'm fighting g3 4 times in a row bruh