Tom And Jerry

[subtle lotus]

Also I'm talking about an grandmaster IG rank 10 so that don't fit with all IG's

[clever folio]

Tom and Jerry has a good matchup against IG though
It's hard for iron giant to approach even using side b which is his most op move
Iron giant is not that broken anymore, he's just weirdly designed

[subtle lotus]

Its not believe me

[subtle lotus]

Its one of the worst MU for T&J

Its impossible to do anything

Also I'm talking about the top 10 IG

But if we talk about an regular one

Maybe it could be easy

[sharp plaza]

Yeah top IG are always a problem, even if my character has a good matchup they play around it, they always have some kind of trick

It's either destroying them or getting destroy by a DI check

[keen swan]

I genuinely hate fighting this character

For the love of Toasty make T&J take longer to shoot Jerry because a frame 5-7 all priority projectile that actively defends itself is never going to be fun to fight

[trim zealot]

Nice Cahara pfp.

[dusty nova]

Did tom get any new combo route in the update @trim zealot 🤔

[trim zealot]

Tennis racket into Fair, Jerry shot, or Dair if the opponent’s near the ledge at around 90-100 and they ground bounce, that last one is a kill confirm.

Nothing too fancy, but atleast we have another combo starter, and a kill confirm.

[dusty nova]

Sounds good tho I'd need to see a the kill comfim to get an idea

[trim zealot]

I’ll record it after I get back from college.

[raven onyx]

We got our Jump Branch removed

[hidden verge]

So no more uhh

Down Jerry

Correct

[raven onyx]

Idk man

[hidden verge]

Lab it

I’m not home

Somebody do it

If they removed it I’m done

[raven onyx]

If they killed my childhood character im gonna rage like Broly in the Super Movie

[midnight wraith]

Loop is gone 🗣🔥

[cerulean cliff]

So they hit our best grounded attack

[hidden verge]

We lost all our combo routes

[hidden verge]

They gutted it

[cerulean cliff]

But our jab is still the worst one in the game

Aight

[hidden verge]

We can’t paddle into down air

We can’t paddle into scratch

We can’t paddle into up air

[cerulean cliff]

Alright, zoning it is then

Time to play the lamest keepaway game ever

[raven onyx]

We are gathered here for the death on TnJ

[hidden verge]

ONE DAMM CHANGE RUINED A WHOLE CHARACTER GOOD JOB DEVS

OUR COMBO ROUTES ARE GONE

GONE

VANISHED

ONE CHANGE

RUINED OUT KILL CONFIRMS

RUINED OUR COMBOS

RUINED EVERYTHING

THIS ONE CHANGE

GUTTED A CHARACTER

[raven onyx]

YOU KILLED OUR CHILDHOOD DEVS

[hidden verge]

LOL WE CANT EVEN PADDLE INTO JAB ANYMORE

THEY REMOVED THAT TOO

[small topaz]

We won

[raven onyx]

I WILL SLAUGHTER EVERY JASON WITH A 2K WINS BUGS BUNNY

[small topaz]

Nair nair nair

[hidden verge]

Jab jab side special

Shut up

Your no better

[small topaz]

We have more combos than that

Thats a kill confirm

[hidden verge]

PADDLE IS LITERALLY A USELESS MOVE NOW

YAYY

[hidden verge]

And a loop

You can spam it

Genuinely just shut up

Quit complaining your character kills at 40

“Nair nair nair nair”

Jab jab side special repeat

That takes plenty of skill

[small topaz]

I actually use jab jab up ground special

[hidden verge]

Cap

[raven onyx]

Same thing

[small topaz]

Buff whatever you want on tnj

But the paddle nerf was necessary

[hidden verge]

NO IT WASNT

[small topaz]

Idc if they buff everything else

[hidden verge]

WE HAVE NO COMBOS NOW

ARE YOU SLOW

[small topaz]

What did i just said

[small topaz]

.

[hidden verge]

THOSE MEAN NOTHING

WITHOUT PADDLE

NOTHING IS TRUE

[cerulean cliff]

Dude relax, I dont like it either but lets not attack other people for it

[hidden verge]

I’ll attack anybody I want

They gutted my beta character

In one move

[small topaz]

That only loops once

Tnj was infinite

[raven onyx]

Im getting the funeral ready

[small topaz]

Just make the tp knockback more upwards

[hidden verge]

TECH STUPID

[midnight wraith]

<@&882349260409032746>

[small topaz]

Instead of down

[hidden verge]

I’m already leaving this server

Report me all you want

Mvs is dead anyway

I tried

But I won’t do this anymore

Mods if you see this great job destroying your dead game

I was a follower until now

[midnight wraith]

The mods have nothing to do with the game's development lol

[hidden verge]

Hope you sell it and give it to sombody who knows how to balance

[past palm]

me when i can't loop

[cerulean cliff]

The infinite had to go I agree

But removing a core combo tool and giving nothing in return does not help the character

[small topaz]

Tech is easy af to read as tnj

[lean haven]

Lets stop arguing and start hugging unu

[pliant talon]

no more fighting like classic tom and jerry
gotta work together like slightly less classic but still classic tom and jerry

[raven onyx]

NOT OUR FAULT THE TECH MECHANIC IS CHEEKS

[cerulean cliff]

So if I'm playing TnJ in 1s now, I'm basically not approaching

[small topaz]

Thats why they nerfed the paddle

No more loop

Buff anything else

And thats it

Tnj was so braindead

[cerulean cliff]

Not true but go on

[small topaz]

So just give him other.combos

That arent paddle

And i wouldnt care

[cerulean cliff]

I've been saying fix his jab for months

[small topaz]

Whats wrong with it

[cerulean cliff]

Why does it send up

Every mallet hit sends the opponent up and in instead of keeping them in front of Tom

To the point that the finisher whiffs on half the cast

No other jab in the game does this

[scenic mica]

I was ready to grind for gm in 2v2 this season I did a 1v1 and was so confused when I couldn't do anything

[cerulean cliff]

Back to 2s I guess

[raven onyx]

They killed out bois

Bc the tech mechanic is cheeks

[deft wasp]

Is up tilt cooked I’m updating rn

[raven onyx]

They took our jump branch away

Combos are gone

[deft wasp]

How tf yall supposed to kill confirm besides dair and random cheese or something

Jab never worked so like

Rip

Well you could get up air after the up tilt finisher but it’s mid

[scenic mica]

Makes me so sad

I really enjoy this game a lot because of tnj now I just can't play my character

I get paddle loops are annoying but legit making it so you can't do ANYTHING out of paddle is ridiculous

[deft wasp]

Tnj gutted, good thing I switched to Rick for ranked

Even though Rick be on something else

[cerulean cliff]

I need to see what can be salvaged when I get home

[scenic mica]

You can racket? I think? But it feels like they can dodge you can also still do grounded Jerry but it's just sad

[cerulean cliff]

1s... I guess I break out the Jason. Or finally learn Batman

PPG is a lil strugglebus right now

[cerulean cliff]

The problem is having no good grounded attacks makes whiff punishing at close range really bad

[scenic mica]

Yeah I'm not happy with it at all

I really liked racket being stronger and removing infinite paddle loops I think it was super positive and really removed the lameness of the character

But this is just way too far

[cerulean cliff]

If anything you crank the lame up higher

I am not trying to get bodied up close by Jack and Harley, no thank you

[raven onyx]

The loops needed to removed but they didnt have to KILL TOM AND JERRY

[scenic mica]

My thoughts exactly

[scenic mica]

Yeah now he has to camp since he literally has zero combos

I'm just so pressed about it I enjoy tnj a lot I've almost got them at level 18 from just playing them a bunch

[raven onyx]

And they killed them

But leave WW and Joker alone

[scenic mica]

I was like 30 elo off masters man!! I was ready to grind for top 100 this season I've got some gm friends I was going to grind to the top with

[raven onyx]

I will slaughter every single in MVS for TnJ

With Bugs

[scenic mica]

🙏

[raven onyx]

Time to bring out 2k wins Bugs out of retirement

[cerulean cliff]

Bugs might be the wave as far as mages go to be honest

[raven onyx]

Bugs actually requires a brain to play

[cerulean cliff]

Compared to beta at least yeah

[raven onyx]

Yea Beta was stupid

I cant argue with that

[cerulean cliff]

But if anyone loses to TnJ in their current state now, the cat was just the better player

[raven onyx]

They will complain still

[cerulean cliff]

They lose all rights to whine, there are anti projectile perks in the game

Except Iron Giant, I think they still get bodied regardless

[raven onyx]

No one can be pleased in this community

[cerulean cliff]

Le sigh

[scenic mica]

I have a garnet and morty but I just enjoy tnj the most I just wish they didn't nerf things so drastically

I dislike Iron Giant as much as the next person but he's practically unplayable now I don't think I've seen more than like two of them in my last 100 something games

I just don't like the overnerfing they do then slowly re buff characters to make them in line I find it frustrating

[dusty nova]

Bruhhhh why did they remove toms best combo starter completely first it was paddle into mallet witch made sense but NOW you can't even jump cancel from paddle into down pan this was not needed bro

Paddle into down pan was so much of his combo pool

[cerulean cliff]

You could argue so much reliance on paddle is a bad thing... but he has nothing else in its place

Its also very unique for an up tilt so gutting it like this feels bad

[slender matrix]

Now, it's only paddle + rocket (without jerry) 🔥

[cerulean cliff]

Thats another issue they probably overlooked

Tom without Jerry is legitimately bottom 1

Mouse management makes or breaks you as a player

[trim zealot]

Wait is there a new update?

I’m gonna be pissed if paddle actually can’t combo now.

[cerulean cliff]

Paddle is dead

You cant jump cancel it at all

Because I guess tech roll reads were too much to bear

[trim zealot]

How the heck are we supposed to do damage now?

I don’t want to camp people out PFG.

[cerulean cliff]

What damage?

Smile emoji

[trim zealot]

I guess I’ll just be a projectile camping menace now. Thanks a lot devs.

[cerulean cliff]

Yep

Lame em out

It is a sad day when Marvin the Martian has better combo expression

[dusty nova]

The pain indeed

[trim zealot]

Why did they think this was a good idea? Now every T&J player is just going to play so lame.

Like, I don’t want to, but now I have to.

[dusty nova]

Ikkrrr

[slender matrix]

How kill confirm now? 😔

[dusty nova]

Taking out paddle into mallet was fine but PADDLE INTO DOWN B GONE

[small topaz]

Tnj can still do the loop wtf

[cerulean cliff]

How

[dusty nova]

Nahh

[trim zealot]

We still have Nair confirm and Jerry shot confirm, but without the jump cancel, up tilt confirms are dead.

[cerulean cliff]

Proof or it didnt happen

[dusty nova]

My air combo game is literally gone now bro

[trim zealot]

I agree.

I just meant kill confirms by other moves.

[small topaz]

#clips message

💀

[midnight wraith]

It happened, there's your proof

[cerulean cliff]

You're joking right

[trim zealot]

Dodging left has entered the chat.

[cerulean cliff]

Airdodge up and away

[trim zealot]

Or this.

Literally any mix up.

[midnight wraith]

Yall do realize the cpu is set to dodge away

[small topaz]

Paddle hitbox is big

He can still get you if you dodge up

[cerulean cliff]

Which is why you go up and away yes

Or dodge jump out

Its not hard

[midnight wraith]

You're kidding, right?

[trim zealot]

The issue is it’s no longer true, and we lost simple bread and butters that were our go to damage options.

This isn’t true.

[cerulean cliff]

Dodge jump carries momentum this patch

You go FLYING with iframes

[trim zealot]

I’ll see if we have anything new, but I highly doubt it given what I’m hearing.

[dusty nova]

I didn't think they could take away so much of my motivation for this game in one fix bro

[trim zealot]

Welcome to the T&J rollercoaster.

[cerulean cliff]

You can probably parry too if you have time to dodge at all

[raven onyx]

That jump branch was our lifeline

Now were are a dodge twig

[dusty nova]

Im sayinn bro rip paddle into down pan 😔

[raven onyx]

I think its time to put out TnJs to rest

[trim zealot]

That was the least of our combos honestly, up tilt was where it all began.

[small topaz]

You can still read

[dusty nova]

Oh the painnnn

[trim zealot]

@subtle lotus You contributed to this, so I partially blame you.

[midnight wraith]

You guys literally get to experience the Jason playstyle as a Zoner, where your only good plays are reads

[dusty nova]

I was a menace with it tho and it was doadgable to not like it was true

[trim zealot]

Oh boy, a chance for a combo, so nice of PFG to let us read opponents, like every other character.

Not like they got rid of MULTIPLE true combos or anything.

[midnight wraith]

Have fun!

[cerulean cliff]

Jason's my second most played character since relaunch, they are not similar at all

[raven onyx]

Is anyone gonna host the funeral for TnJ?

[dusty nova]

Hope to the gods of multiverses that they fix thus mistake somehow

[trim zealot]

I’ll join.

[raven onyx]

They killed our bois now we lay waste

[dusty nova]

I'll be ther

[trim zealot]

Yet I’ll still find myself playing them, in protest to this nerf. I’ll play the villain so PFG learns from this mistake.

Everybody, camp.

[raven onyx]

Im taking my 2k win Bugs out of retirement

[dusty nova]

I mean not like we can approach now mallet is very punish timable for some reason you can smack him in between swings

[cerulean cliff]

The alternative is using other characters and highlighting their broken things

[trim zealot]

And have Tom not get their combos back, no way. I’ll show the devs why you don’t get rid of 90% of a character’s combos.

[cerulean cliff]

Unfortunately I dont trust them to not mess up other things

[raven onyx]

They even said they wanted to keep characters identity.Kills Tom and Jerry

[cerulean cliff]

This is as bad if not worse than that two month period where dair was useless in beta

[raven onyx]

Broke their own promise

[trim zealot]

Worse, we can function without dair being super good, but no paddle cancel makes our combo game useless.

[cerulean cliff]

And for all their efforts Velma is still largely unusable so I dunno, something's not clicking

[dusty nova]

Straight up over half his combos just Gone like that

[trim zealot]

Thanos snap on us specifically.

[dusty nova]

Yeahh

[raven onyx]

Reduced to Atoms

[midnight wraith]

If nerfing T&J to make it where they have to be a read-based playstyle, then yes, they are now similar, except you have tools to zone your opponent unlike Jason

[dusty nova]

As if it never Exsisted

[cerulean cliff]

Counterpoint, Jason has anti zoning tools in his base kit now

And perks if he needs it

Also try IAD command grab in neutral

Gives him a super armored approach lmao

[trim zealot]

Jason has combos, kill confirms, and armor. We have projectiles, that’s it.

[dusty nova]

Jason killed the cat really easy jason zoning tools sounds cool but uh tom can't fight jason now like he puts down the cat he killed tom before but now tom has no comboabilty

I don't wanna spam fishing pole just to kill the masked sped kid bro😔

[trim zealot]

That’s gonna be the MU for anyone who can deal with our projectiles now.

Including already bad MUs like WW, Finn, black Adam, etc.

Also Steven.

[cerulean cliff]

Our sig perks dont help us in CQC

[dusty nova]

My best combo now is tripple dynamite speed dodge into mallet catching the player and down smash

[trim zealot]

Does anybody know if we’re allowed to DM PFG mods to express game balance concerns? If so, do your part. If not, we camp.

[dusty nova]

That's not half of what I used to be able to do

[raven onyx]

We cant do anything

[dusty nova]

Only hope they read this

[quartz locust]

I ain't even that good of a TnJ player but damn that one changed nerfed a lot of combos.

[dusty nova]

Frrr

[trim zealot]

Then we camp, and have people complain about the new T&J.

[raven onyx]

Thats gonna make it worse

[trim zealot]

*most of the combos. Around 60-70% if our combos revolved around up tilt somewhere in it.

[trim zealot]

Can’t get much worse than this.

[dusty nova]

One move change making a higher tier into a low tier Immediately

[trim zealot]

If they nerf us more, I’ll quit Tom for the first time.

[raven onyx]

No one can be pleased in this community

It is burned in this community

[trim zealot]

How did so many people complain even after the last up tilt nerf? I don’t understand, just learn how to avoid ONE MOVE.

[dusty nova]

I just don't wanna play the game rn after that bruh tom could loose to the whole roster pre patch now he's just a punching back with a rat in his pocket.

Recon if they fixed some of his hitboxes instead like the spike I would of been happy

[raven onyx]

THEY LIED THEY EVEN SAID "we want the characters usable"THEY JUST KILLED TOM AND JERRY

[cerulean cliff]

Its more a design flaw that he has no other usable moves on the ground than paddle being broken

[dusty nova]

Ahg

[trim zealot]

They don’t know how to make us usable and make the noobs happy at the same time.

[cerulean cliff]

For example, what is pounce doing right now for the character

[trim zealot]

Armor breaking late% kill move.

But I do agree, it needs a buff.

[raven onyx]

DEFINITION OF A SKILL ISSUE (I didnt mean you)

[dusty nova]

Tome has a weird moveset but all of it together made him a damag stacker that had to hit one move to the next now his combos won't break 30hp

Meanwhile shaggy hits tom one time and he at 40

[cerulean cliff]

My change for pounce would be to make that move go at least half screen to give it utility

If Arya can skip neutral with her down tilt while being invincible, why cant we

[trim zealot]

I’ve been complaining about this for a while. The devs don’t seem to understand when players are the problem, and a character isn’t. It even happened in the beta with Taz side B.

[subtle lotus]

T&J its not killed, it's still pretty good the difference its that khow you need to be really good playing the game, but yeah T&J its not that strong in the tier list

Not an good character at all

I was playing with some grandmasters

[trim zealot]

Have you not heard that our combo game is neutered?

[subtle lotus]

This character can't hold an match against them

[trim zealot]

No up tilt combo routes AT ALL.

[subtle lotus]

Its not killed

[raven onyx]

are you stupid?

[subtle lotus]

I get my up tilt convertions every time

Its lit about reading and an anti air

I just thing you both are bad

I'm almost master with him

[dusty nova]

T&j lost 70% of his combo ability he's approachable now for no reason

[trim zealot]

Update the game.

[raven onyx]

OH DONT GET ME STARTED

[subtle lotus]

He was an up tilt spammer

[subtle lotus]

Bro dont be silly you khow the truth

[cerulean cliff]

I'm not about to fling insults but you dont have an understanding of the character

[trim zealot]

Let’s say he was, then why wouldn’t players just learn to avoid and punish a single move, if it was used so often?

[patent prawn]

I haven’t played yet but I’ll have to see

[cerulean cliff]

And it shows

[subtle lotus]

His fair right now, you need to use your braincells to use him, he even got an 50/50 with tech bounces using the racket his good

[dusty nova]

That's why they made is so you couldn't spam it with mallet otherwise all you had to do was not run into his uptilt and you could punish it every time🤝

[raven onyx]

THATS RICH

COMING FROM YOU

[subtle lotus]

Bc the hitbox was way to strange to avoid it, if you get near to it you get catched basically and also you could cancel the endlag of the paddle so you won't get punish in any moment

And thats super broken

[trim zealot]

Real. They’ve done nothing but complain about up tilt before the last 2 patches, then it got nerfed once, they said it was fine, and didn’t need another nerf. Now it’s six feet under, and they say it’s fine. What are you on Gogeta?

[subtle lotus]

What's the point on playing an figthing game, if you can't punish someone for spam

[trim zealot]

We were already very punishable when using the darn move.

The last nerf was more than enough.

[raven onyx]

YOU CAN BE PUNISHED

[subtle lotus]

Nope

[dusty nova]

Yeahh

[raven onyx]

TALKING TO YOU IS LIKE A BRICK WALL

[subtle lotus]

You could cancel the endlag on jump or dodge

I dont think you play Mvs at an high lv

[patent prawn]

Depends on when I caught the move personally

[subtle lotus]

If you think that

[patent prawn]

I’m a gold player tho so

[subtle lotus]

Its stupid what your saying

He feels good

Idk what's your problem

[trim zealot]

You are way outnumbered here, Gogeta. There’s a serious disconnect between you, and our character.

[raven onyx]

I WAS A DIAMOND BUGS LAST SEASON IK CAN PLAY THE GAME

[dusty nova]

High lvl players don't struggle with toms uptilt

[patent prawn]

And most Jokers players say hes mid, there is always outliers

[subtle lotus]

I was masters T&J played some top tier players

And even faced an evo placement 13

[raven onyx]

MORE LIKE SILVERS

[subtle lotus]

Almost won that match

It was really complicated

[trim zealot]

“Almost”

[subtle lotus]

I think his good

[trim zealot]

Didn’t.

[subtle lotus]

Bro you wouldn't take an stock from him

[trim zealot]

You’ve never seen me play.

[raven onyx]

Gogeta u got slaughtered in that match 3-0

[trim zealot]

Maybe I would.

[subtle lotus]

Nope

It was the last stock

And he was on 150 and I was on 110

[patent prawn]

Time will tell how this truly affects TnJ as well

[subtle lotus]

He won bc he cheese me on the last sec

[trim zealot]

It’s alright, we’re not all as good as evo #13 placements. No need to lie about it.

[patent prawn]

This is not even 24 hours into a new patch

[subtle lotus]

I think he's good

[subtle lotus]

I didnt i got the records on Playstation app

[dusty nova]

T&j dosent do a lot of dmg and now ho dosent do a lot of combo either and those do not match

[trim zealot]

We can already tell. Our combos are gone.

[subtle lotus]

He does but you need to read and 50/50

[raven onyx]

Im gonna snap in 5 seconds

[subtle lotus]

T&J its an reading and 50/50 character i love it

If you dont you can just drop the character an go for bugs

Hes better

[trim zealot]

No, we were not. We used to have true combos and guaranteed damage, like MOST CHARCTERS IN THE GAME.

[dusty nova]

I highly doubt you could tell me a t&j combo that still works that takes a player from 0 to 35+

[subtle lotus]

Well paddle waesnt true since the beggining

[dusty nova]

It's gatta work tho

[subtle lotus]

The difference was that the paddle could be cancel so you won't get punished any time

[trim zealot]

This nerf is completely different from “being punishable”. This nerf removes most of our combos.

We couldn’t cancel it if we didn’t hit the move.

It was fine.

[subtle lotus]

They don't, you got the jerry shot extender since always, you just can jab reset with paddle

I did it a lot of times

[subtle lotus]

Yes we could

Lol

[scenic mica]

Tnj is undoubtedly worse and it's going to take time to learn new combo routes you can't argue against that just gotta figure out how to play him now

[subtle lotus]

I got records doing it prepatch

That's why we receive that nerf

If we couldn't so why they nerf it

[trim zealot]

There are no new combo routes. Only less. I’ll hop into the lab and record it if I have to.

[dusty nova]

He didn't get anything back bruh there's nothing to learn

[subtle lotus]

You need to read to do some dmg

[scenic mica]

I know there's less I play tnj you just gotta work around what scraps are left

[subtle lotus]

Idk why your complaining paddle waesnt true since season 1

[trim zealot]

Unlike MOST CHARCTERS IN THE GAME.

[subtle lotus]

Well we got the classic 3 jabs into dtilt or 1 jab dtilt

[dusty nova]

Then why was you complaining about paddle then 🤔

[subtle lotus]

The paddle being true was patched a lot time ago

[trim zealot]

Woohoo, 2 FRICKJN COMBOS, were saved boys.

[scenic mica]

I'm not saying I agree with the changes not at all its ridiculous he was fine as he was died early and was counterable

[raven onyx]

YIPPPEEEEE

[subtle lotus]

Bc it waesnt punishable for spam it

[scenic mica]

I just don't want to call him dead without playing with him more

[subtle lotus]

Its like saying shaggy could cancel his kick

Then do it inf times

Without getting punished

[raven onyx]

im done man talking to you is like talking to a brick wall

[subtle lotus]

His good but you got to read a lot

[subtle lotus]

Bro I got records prepatch

[dusty nova]

It's simple if that cat is holding that paddle and is in the animation go hit him or dash attack 🤷‍♂️

[subtle lotus]

If you want to see them

[subtle lotus]

You cant if we are talking prepatch

You could cancel the animation by jumping or dodge

[trim zealot]

You literally could. That was the WHOLE LAST NERF.

[scenic mica]

Every character has to land reads its just not fair for a character to have to land a good read to get any damage

[subtle lotus]

That's why they nerf him

[scenic mica]

Morty can click snake gun do side special up air for a free 30 percent every like 10 seconds and that's allowed?

[subtle lotus]

Well bro paddle its not killed

Its the same move as always

[dusty nova]

Paddle combos aren't real now🥂

[subtle lotus]

The difference its that we can't jab out if it

[scenic mica]

I don't see why Tom can't have a scrap

[subtle lotus]

And can't cancel the animation

[scenic mica]

Less versatile though can't make plays out of it anymore

[trim zealot]

The difference is, we can’t cancel it at all now. EVEN ON HIT.

[subtle lotus]

If you cancel the paddle animation then you cant get punished, theres no endlag

[subtle lotus]

Well they nerfed the other stuff bc they was an paddle reset with jab

[subtle lotus]

You can jump atleast, it's smth

[scenic mica]

No you can't

That's what they removed

[trim zealot]

That was like 2 patches ago. Are you on drugs?

[scenic mica]

That's why everyone is upset

[subtle lotus]

Bro read the patch notes stupid

[subtle lotus]

Now you lit can

The classic paddle into jerry shot d angle

[trim zealot]

Ah yes, believe everything the devs say. I’ll watch when you come back here after playing post-patch, saying the complete opposite.

[subtle lotus]

Bro...

You cant understand that you could cancel paddle before the recent patch

[scenic mica]

You can longer jump out of paddle after landing a hit that's what everyone is upset about

[subtle lotus]

You could lit jump or dodge in whiff

That's stupid

[trim zealot]

“Removed the jump branch window before the final hit of the attack”.

[open crypt]

Is it me or with the patch paddle feels...odd
Like not good to use

[scenic mica]

Removes combo routes you can paddle and shoot down with Jerry but that's all now

[subtle lotus]

Yes, that's the animation cancel

[cerulean cliff]

Its bad straight up

[trim zealot]

Only on hit though. We couldn’t on whiff.

[subtle lotus]

You can cancel the 3rd hit to combo into jerry shot now

[trim zealot]

It was punishable.

[scenic mica]

Nerfed it hard can't jump out of it anymore

[dusty nova]

The actual line

[subtle lotus]

We could

[trim zealot]

That was addressed the patch before this.

[subtle lotus]

Let me send you an record

[scenic mica]

If you missed paddle you had to wait out the animation that's just how it worked

[subtle lotus]

I got an discussion here with someone on this serv for the same reason

[subtle lotus]

Not after the recent patch, prepatch was different

[scenic mica]

You couldn't dodge couldn't cancel it otherwise the gm Tom's I fight would have and I would have as well

[subtle lotus]

Now you cant cancel it

That's the point

[scenic mica]

It just wasn't an option

[subtle lotus]

But prepatch you could

[trim zealot]

AT ALL. That’s the nerf. Not that we can’t cancel it on whiff, we can’t cancel it AT ALL now.

No jumping out of it.

[subtle lotus]

Yea ik

[dusty nova]

He needed that cancel bruh

[subtle lotus]

But I was talking all this time about the older version of this game

[subtle lotus]

No

That's stupid

Its like saying arya can whiff cancel down tilt

[open crypt]

Wow...thats bad

[dusty nova]

His combos don't break 30 now bruh what you mean

[open crypt]

Like why yoy take one of toms main combos?

[subtle lotus]

Bro you need to learn how to read he got an 50/50 on tech bounce

[trim zealot]

It’s not the whiff cancel we’re complaining about, it’s the hit cancel being removed.

[subtle lotus]

You lit can stack tons of dmg

[subtle lotus]

Oh yeah, now we got only one option, jumping

Then nothing

Ofc I'm talking on hit

[dusty nova]

Ded ass that is not affecting my gemplay that much I use techs and speed techs to combo dawg og waittt WHAT COMBO CAN HE DOOO

[trim zealot]

THATS THE WHOLE NERF, WE CANT JUMP OUT OF IT. EVEN ON HIT.

[subtle lotus]

Ok this was created by void

Way to broken

So if you do the paddle into jerry shot 2 times

You khow your opponent wil tech

Will*

[cerulean cliff]

You know whats really sad? TnJ is getting a sick skin soon and there's no reason to play him now

Tragic

[subtle lotus]

So you just got to charged your racket and wait for his tech, jerry covers tech bounce in place and in tech bounce

So if he techs away you just got to jump dodge down air

[dusty nova]

Ngl I never did the paddle into down jerry or the infinite period I used paddle into down pan it was dodgeabl and still a good combo

[subtle lotus]

And if you hit the racket you get an combo of it

[trim zealot]

IF the opponent falls for it. I don’t do conditional combo games.

[small topaz]

The nerf was deserved but they should at least give him something else

[trim zealot]

You know, LIKE MOST CHARVTERS IN THE GAME.

[subtle lotus]

He dont have that much options, just one

And if he does it

You can combo him anyway if you read him

I like the character being skill and taking reads and tech reads to played him

Its my style of playing

But if you dont like him

You could use batman

[dusty nova]

Nah they should of made it so you couldn't freshly use jerry after paddle is all

[trim zealot]

Yeah, and I like the character being good.

[cerulean cliff]

This is the problem that the devs seem to have across a LOT of characters. They take out whatever good they have and leave them with nothing fof weeks

[small topaz]

That would been way better

[subtle lotus]

Use batman or shaggy the top 2

[open crypt]

Wow, without the jump after paddle, tom feels not good to use

[subtle lotus]

Its on whiff

[cerulean cliff]

Or if youre Velma, practically forever

[subtle lotus]

So its fair

[trim zealot]

Nah. I’m going to camp to prove that the devs made a bad decision this patch. If they nerf Tom again, I’ll switch to Steven.

[open crypt]

EXACLTY

[dusty nova]

We feel you pain brother

[subtle lotus]

Bro he's ok right now

You just need to read and tech read a lot

To do some crazy stuff

Use batman

And thats all

He got a lot of combos

[trim zealot]

If I camp. Which neither me or my opponent want me to do.

[subtle lotus]

And his so broken

[subtle lotus]

Its not an good idea

He dont have good options against air campers

Or air approachs

[cerulean cliff]

This is not a meta where reads win you games in 1s that often

[subtle lotus]

Thats why shaggy counters him

[trim zealot]

That’s the whole nerf. We lost most of them.

[midnight wraith]

Congrats. You're gonna get punished for whiffing a move. That's how fighting games work.

[subtle lotus]

With reads bruh

[dusty nova]

Reading and teching was mandatory to play the game with skil to begin with

[subtle lotus]

Yep thats what I like

[open crypt]

Right, combos, throw jerry...amazing combo

[subtle lotus]

If you just used T&J bc he was an free win, braindead character that's not my problem

Use batman then

[cerulean cliff]

Why are we being punished on hit, thats the entire problem. With nothing to compensate for it

[trim zealot]

? I’m complaining about how this leaves us with only projectiles, the nerf was that we lost combos off of up tilt, which was integral to most of our melee game. Now we can just camp to play optimally.

[subtle lotus]

The projectiles aren't good

Believe me bro

[dusty nova]

Yeah and when tom players were doing that pre patch and you use that as the bandaid on the wound it dose jack shiz

[midnight wraith]

You can still loop with reads. We sent you video proof and yall denied the evidence.

[trim zealot]

No way you just said that.

That’s our whole thing.

[subtle lotus]

If you approach from the air

[cerulean cliff]

Dodge jump out like I said

Do it right now

[subtle lotus]

Its easy to dodge them, and they aren't fast enough to make an pressure on the opponent

[dusty nova]

Tom's already had to play skilled cuz they can die easily and you just sayin oh well tech and read guys

[trim zealot]

Because it’s not true, we don’t want to have to read or do 50\50s for damage that most characters can get guaranteed.

[subtle lotus]

No bro he didnt

[cerulean cliff]

The best characters in the game have never relied THAT much on reads

[dusty nova]

Just jump over his tennis balls

[subtle lotus]

That's all

Or lit dodge them

[trim zealot]

This.

[midnight wraith]

Well that's the way Jason has to play, so deal with it or switch to a top tier

[cyan whale]

Ngl the proof is definitively not executed properly. Jab never combos into charged utilt. I’d be curious to see if jab combos into uncharged utilt

[cerulean cliff]

Where are the reads with Batman then?

Lets hear it

[subtle lotus]

I mean his lit an hard tier character idk why you would spect of him actually being hard

[dusty nova]

You act like he was unbeatable dawg he wasn't

[trim zealot]

I’m complaining about T&J. My favorite character in the game, losing most of our viability, and all you can tell us, is to “just play another character”. Like that’s better than buffing us back to where we were.

[subtle lotus]

Not unbeatable but after the ground bounce got in the game

He was lit the inf till kill confirm character

All was an robbery

[cyan whale]

Ngl the no jump cancel paddle is a good change, but T&J should be buffed in other areas to compensate

[subtle lotus]

You didnt need to be good at the game if your character got that kind of stufd

[trim zealot]

IT WAS REMOVED EITH THE AUTO TECH DUMMY

[subtle lotus]

Ik but I'm talking about after the auto tech

Now your complaining bc an hard character takes reads and 50/50 to be played

[dusty nova]

Dose not mean they had to kill most his combo ability

[midnight wraith]

He's a top tier. He's BS. That's the character I play when I get pissed that Jason is getting countered every match.

[trim zealot]

Damn right I am. Most characters don’t rely on that sh to succeed.

[subtle lotus]

Ik most don't, but his lit an hard character

[cerulean cliff]

Okay good we understand each other there

[trim zealot]

He would be hard anyway. Most people don’t bother to try him for that reason.

[cerulean cliff]

I can just play Samurai Jack if I want to farm wins easier, doesnt mean I want to

[trim zealot]

Historically, we’ve always had very few new T&J players.

[subtle lotus]

Idk why you don't want to try it

Read and 50/50 are the best part of an figthing game

Its so funny to perform them

And it actually means that your good

[cyan whale]

Dive kick dair into read, combo into down attack into read, and then reading dodge after batbomb is the majority of Batman reads

[trim zealot]

I remember telling you I’ve played them since closed beta.

[subtle lotus]

And?

[cerulean cliff]

Now how often do you need to do that to win

Also approaching with dive kick is just bad, dont do that

[subtle lotus]

Multiversus its not the unique figthing game

[visual crescent]

Does the new lockout nerf on uptilt hurt much fellas?

[cyan whale]

Idk I don’t play Batman

[cerulean cliff]

There ya go

[dusty nova]

Yes

[trim zealot]

A 50% chance to deal damage doesn’t mean you are good, a 100% chance does. That’s why I was opposed to removing the beta system of anti-infinites, because combos were strong and took skill to perform.

[subtle lotus]

People are complaining way to much and saying that the character its dead but I like them bc now he takes skill

[cyan whale]

It means people need to learn the game and stop relying on loops

[trim zealot]

We lost most of our combos. Yes.

[cerulean cliff]

Anyway, I have to go back to work, if anyone loses to TnJ now its a pure skill issue

[subtle lotus]

Bro its lit the opposite

That was unreal

If your way to play the its based on inf

[trim zealot]

I don’t recall reading a buff on the patch notes.

[subtle lotus]

Then your not skill

And you don't need to be good

[cyan whale]

Oh yeah beta attack decay is way better than the Smash style stale moves we have now

[subtle lotus]

At all

If you need to think like your opponent

Master the way to react on what your opponent does on an match

Read

That's skill

Not performing an inf for 5 mins

[visual crescent]

Good to hear, Iron giant sends his regards

[trim zealot]

Any Tom player defending this nerf is a disgrace to this character.

[cyan whale]

Dude IG is cheeks now

[subtle lotus]

I dont think you played another fgc that isn't multiversus @trim zealot, your statement didnt make any sense

[dusty nova]

I never used the infinite one time dawg pre patch or after I bet money on it to why play that way yk 🤷‍♂️ rather combo

[subtle lotus]

@visual crescent they are complaining about the character takes skill and reads for playing him

[cyan whale]

This nerf was absolutely warranted, but he needs to get buffed in other areas to compensate

The issue is that he wasn’t buffed in other areas

[subtle lotus]

The inf are unhealthy for an fgc

And everybody khows it

[dusty nova]

All he needed was to not have the ability to use jerry fresh out of paddle

[subtle lotus]

Nah thats horrible

[cyan whale]

The problem is how the game is coded means that jump into Jerry shot would still be possible if all you did was stop paddle into Jerry

[dusty nova]

It's really not it fixes the infinite problem and keeps 90% more of his combo ability

[subtle lotus]

It doesnt

[dusty nova]

It dose dawg

[subtle lotus]

You cant pick up jerry anyway bro

The point of playing him its using jerry to combo

[cyan whale]

I do think it’s funny that everyone seemingly forgets that paddle into uair is still a kill confirm

[visual crescent]

I'm mostly joking, it sucks having your character nerfed super hard, ask IG mains lol. I dont doubt you guys will figure it out though

[patent prawn]

Doesn’t Jerry shot still combo out of paddle or is it 50/50?

[subtle lotus]

Still combos

[dusty nova]

Goofy

[cyan whale]

Character specific now I believe since you can’t jump

[subtle lotus]

The 50/50 its on tech bounce

[subtle lotus]

You can on hit

[cyan whale]

Shaggy got long legs, so it works on him

[patent prawn]

Ok, so mu based, thats reasonable

[dusty nova]

Being able to jump put of paddle wasn't the problem jery out of paddle was now we cooked

[subtle lotus]

The change was on whiff

[sharp plaza]

Thank you multiversus for the patch

[visual crescent]

MU based combos are only natural

[cyan whale]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t work on Arya, Gizmo, etc

[subtle lotus]

Works on every character

The difference its

That you cant cancel the paddle into jab

[cyan whale]

Did you test it before without jumping?

[subtle lotus]

Paddle?

Paddle its based on di

Its not about the character

[cyan whale]

Paddle into Jerry shot without jumping

[subtle lotus]

Oh yeah

[cyan whale]

That’s what I’m talking about

[subtle lotus]

I have

Still works

[cyan whale]

I thought it was character specific

[subtle lotus]

No

Like yeah and no

You can do it on every character

The difference its the timing on the jerry shot

I think the optimum way to do the paddle into jerry shot

Its without jumping

It places ypu on an better position for reading the groundbounce

Tech

[midnight wraith]

That's what I was saying, yet they wanted to go against me lol

[subtle lotus]

Didn't saw your message so I couldn't defend your argument

T&J its fine he just need an good player to play him correctly

A lot of reads and mix ups

If you like true combo characters and broken characters

I recommend you to use

1. Batman

2. Shaggy

3. Powerpuff Girls

4. Joker

5. Tazz

[trim zealot]

And I don’t think you’ve played any non-brawlhalla, non-traditional, platform fighter.

[subtle lotus]

I play ultimate😭

And brawhalla too

[trim zealot]

And tell me how many TRUE combos are in it.

Smash.

[subtle lotus]

Well scythe got no true combos

And was an mix up and reading weapon

[trim zealot]

I meant smash.

[subtle lotus]

In smash

Mmmm

Everyone got his bnb

Some characters got some reading stuff

But comparing mvs with smash its an bad idea

[trim zealot]

But comparing it with games that have 50\50s isn’t?

[subtle lotus]

Mvs needs way more work to be good enough to be compare with smash

[subtle lotus]

Yes smash got a lot

[trim zealot]

Smash is dead.

[subtle lotus]

For example Rob 50/50

[trim zealot]

Nobody playing that no more.

Maybe melee though.

[sturdy yarrow]

So turns out whining on the Internet actually works who'd have thunk it

[subtle lotus]

I think smash its more live than mvs

Ultimate its still played by lot of people

Probably more than mvs

[midnight wraith]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[subtle lotus]

50/50 are good for an game, and reading characters too

Its an archetype for an character

[midnight wraith]

You're kidding

[copper rivet]

dog what on earth are you on about

[raven onyx]

Me when ragebait

[trim zealot]

The same logic you are using to defuse my argument defuses your own too. You say that 50/50s and reading are good to need on a character, but fgs with true combos can’t compare?

[subtle lotus]

Bro you got to be crazy if you think mvs has more players than smash

[trim zealot]

You are cherry picking. A logical fallacies in which you choose specific information while excluding anything that harms your own argument.

[midnight wraith]

It could be, but at the same time in this day and age, it could just be someone who drank too much lead poisoned water

[raven onyx]

Im not thinking that

[subtle lotus]

Sometimes the reading characters deals more dmg

[trim zealot]

But not here.

[subtle lotus]

I mean

I stack like 150 dmg with T&J with his new mix up on tech bounce

[patent prawn]

Melee and Ult are still popular

[subtle lotus]

But ironically his garbage confirming on high percents

But yeah I need like 3-6 reads to stack that amount of dmg

Tbh its not like that

Your saying it like mvs got more players and it's more popular than smash

[trim zealot]

You are right, I was arguing off point.

[subtle lotus]

I think rivals 2 will be the next successor for smash

@trim zealot bro if you dont like the current state of T&J being an reading and 50/50 character, I recommend you to use batman then

His top gier

Top tier

And he got way too op true combos

[raven onyx]

Bruh TnJ are dead

[subtle lotus]

Nah i like them

[trim zealot]

I’d prefer for T&J to be just as viable/easy to play, there should be some sort of parity between these characters, and Tom is my favorite regardless. My favorite cartoon ever.

[subtle lotus]

Its an hard character, can't be easy to play

His current state looks fair for me

[trim zealot]

They were hard before, it takes a while for anyone unfamiliar to learn them.

[raven onyx]

Didnt they say" we want characters to keep their identity" but they kill off TnJ

[subtle lotus]

Il like to make all the hard character way harder like T&J

[trim zealot]

Nobody wanted to try us before, and especially not now.

[subtle lotus]

Well this its my archetype on platform figthers so im happy with it

You could switch to batman

[trim zealot]

This is just the nail in the coffin for attracting new T&J players.

[subtle lotus]

I think it's an good option for you

[raven onyx]

Batman is just boring to play

[subtle lotus]

Bugs its funny and his s tier

[trim zealot]

I would much rather play Steven, but I will camp as Tom in protest to these nerfs.

[subtle lotus]

Atleast

[subtle lotus]

Its not an good idea believe me

[trim zealot]

I’ll be the judge of that.

[subtle lotus]

Hes not at an good place on the new meta

[raven onyx]

Im bringing 2k win Bugs out of retirement

[subtle lotus]

You cant camp like nothing, all characters got approach options

[trim zealot]

Oh you meant Steven, he’s not my first choice. Staying on Tom is.

[subtle lotus]

Well camping its the worst idea possible

Please you need to learn the mix ups and reads

Bro

[trim zealot]

I used to play a ton with somebody in beta who used bugs in 2s. I forget if that’s you or not.

[raven onyx]

Who where they called?

[subtle lotus]

Ngl bugs its so fun

@raven onyx did you see the new tech on bugs nair

[trim zealot]

That’s the thing, I forgot. But I’ll check my friends list for a username.

[subtle lotus]

You can true combo up air now

[raven onyx]

What new tech

[subtle lotus]

You really don't khow?

[raven onyx]

No bc Bugs chat is a desert rn

[subtle lotus]

Ok let me enter to mvs to show you

Il send you an record

[raven onyx]

Dm me plz

When u can

[subtle lotus]

Now

Don't worry

His so op now

Hahhaha

Super funny

I'm enjoying so much playing him

And T&J too

Oh

I just saw

They did an balance change right noe

Now

Let me see what happend with T&H

T&J

@raven onyx il send you the tech right now

Hold an sec

Ok now we can't jump with paddle

But atleast we can't perform the jerry shot at the ground

I said before I just wanted the paddle on whiff, jump cancel removed

Not the paddle jump jerry shot remove

But we can jerry shot

Ok i see

This new change its really bad bc you cant confirm the up air

But we got some new combos bc the jerry shot its now at the floor

I think we got new set up

But yeah he feels trash

@trim zealot sry bro for the misunderstanding

Didnt saw the last patch

I thought we were talking about the patch with the new season

[small topaz]

They were too braindead

I only use tnj for missions

And they were easy af

Paddle

Into the paddle

Into paddle

You can literally still combo

Just read

[subtle lotus]

I though they didn't remove the paddle ability to jump while comboing

This its bad

Atleast you can time the paddle to combo the jerry shot

But nah

Now he cant confirm

[cerulean cliff]

Blatantly incorrect but thats okay

[fleet bronze]

Just played him right now. I might relagate Tom into a 2s character only now

[cerulean cliff]

We cant all jab into a kill confirm at 35

[subtle lotus]

@trim zealot you were right all the time I though you were talking about the season release patch notes

This its horrible

[trim zealot]

I know right.

[subtle lotus]

You can di the paddle so you won't get hit by anything

Trash

[fleet bronze]

I hope they give him something in the mid season patch cause I just fought a Batman and it did not feel good

[subtle lotus]

They need to revert this

@trim zealot I swear I didn't ask for this changes

I said no jump paddle cancel on whiff

[dusty nova]

This patch got me playing rust again 🤝

Funny survival rage game

[raven onyx]

Hes finally changed

[visual crescent]

Nerf might have been needed TNJ was wild

[drifting pier]

SCUM

[trim zealot]

I figured as much. Though I was confused as to why you kept on arguing about T&J being good 50/50 or mix up charcters, where this nerf directly affects true combos and kill confirms.

I’m glad you agree with the rest of us though.

[subtle lotus]

I though we were talking about the release season 3 T&J

But this update for today it's trash

Il see what Harcorefox cooks

[trim zealot]

?

Who’s that?

[subtle lotus]

Harcorefox?

[trim zealot]

Yeah, what would they “cook”?

[subtle lotus]

Its the top 1 T&J

[trim zealot]

Ohh.

[subtle lotus]

Idk lets see if he can do anything

And void

Maybe new tech or combo routes

Idk

[trim zealot]

This was a straight nerf, so I reallly doubt it.

Literally the only change for us on the patch notes.

[subtle lotus]

🥲

[trim zealot]

Same.

[subtle lotus]

I wish they revert the nerfs on the mid season update

Then nerf the paddle into down air

To prevent the up air

[raven onyx]

With that much complaining no

Btw you gonna show me that Bugs tech?

[spiral granite]

Funny how the tnj loops are still the same lol

[subtle lotus]

Oh yeah, let me download it

And basically its

If you hold the jump button while bugs its doing nair

[spiral granite]

They not doing it

[subtle lotus]

He will float a lil bit

[raven onyx]

You play Morty stop whining

[subtle lotus]

Fr

[raven onyx]

You kill TnJ at like 70

[spiral granite]

Ok, and?

Cant i have an opinion

[raven onyx]

Morty is just a better TnJ

[spiral granite]

Ok?

And noy really

They are different characters

With different kits

[raven onyx]

Here comes the downplay😭

[spiral granite]

?

So ur saying they play the same?

[raven onyx]

Every Morty ive seen is just smash the controller

[spiral granite]

Ok

[subtle lotus]

Ight I got your clip

[spiral granite]

If u think that

[subtle lotus]

He cam combo up air

[spiral granite]

Who? Morty?

If its him yeah Morty can combo up air into up air

Its pretty insane it should have more end lag

[patent prawn]

Have you played a TnJ post patch?

[spiral granite]

Up tilt into Jerry still true

[patent prawn]

And?

[spiral granite]

Wdym by "and?"

That means that the loop still true

😂

[patent prawn]

Doesn’t the loop require teching

[spiral granite]

Yeah and its not really hard to catch teching with up tilt

[patent prawn]

Still that means it isn’t really a true loop

[subtle lotus]

Nope you can di

[patent prawn]

There still is some stuff off it but not anything absurd

[cerulean cliff]

Best I got with confirms is Paddle > Jerryshot down > IAD rocket

[cerulean cliff]

Damn we lose to Jason now thats craaazy

[subtle lotus]

🥲

[cerulean cliff]

I made top 100 but I dont really feel the desire to play

ah well

[sharp plaza]

Tnj still broken btw

Wow paddle into the best projectile in the game it's so hype omg yeah

He's as fun as gizmo

[dusty nova]

Aint No way they keepin it like this 😔

[sharp plaza]

With the range of that dair I don't think TnJ is getting close to high tier, he's still good

[dusty nova]

Lost most his combo potential g ps being a spamy mage sucks balls

[sturdy yarrow]

Its weird they give him cool new combo tools with racket then nerf his best combo starter

[acoustic belfry]

Damn, feels so fresh getting back to mvs

It's so unbelievably stupid that everytime I manage to destroy somebody with a combo, they ask to nerf tom and jerry

Just saying: "nErf TOm aND JErRy pLs, nErf TOm aND JErRy pLs 😭" what a joke, having skill issue for not being able to beat them 😠

Anyway, what is your ranks as tom and jerry players in this season?

[raven onyx]

Sliver rn but i don't wanna play TnJ now bc they killed them

Was Plat with TnJ last season

[acoustic belfry]

Who dym by "they"? PFG?

[raven onyx]

Yea i didnt read my message well

[acoustic belfry]

Ikr? They released patch 1.3.2 and they just nerfed their up paddle AGAIN

I really was using the "up paddle, jab jab" combo and I was destroying everyone, my only combo that I was using is gone

[raven onyx]

They even said:we want to keep the character identity (basically means make them usable) but they kill off TnJ

[acoustic belfry]

They at least buffed jerry

[raven onyx]

No that was it in these patch notes

[acoustic belfry]

Oh, right

[raven onyx]

They kill off TnJ but leave WW alone

[acoustic belfry]

Bcz 100% one of the editors of the game mains WW

[raven onyx]

And the sad thing is TnJ are our childhood so it hurts more

[acoustic belfry]

Very 😞

[raven onyx]

Id admit the loop has to go DOESN'T MEAN KILL OFF TNJ

[acoustic belfry]

But still, even with all that nerfs They will remain my main as long as this game is alive.

[cunning basin]

loop /=/ infinite.
Just tech chase after the 2nd Jerry shot.

[acoustic belfry]

@raven onyx what is your main?

[raven onyx]

Bugs Bunny

Why?

[acoustic belfry]

Actually just asking, do you think he is better than TnJ?

[raven onyx]

Yea

Uair is a amazing kill move

[acoustic belfry]

Ik, but I saw many tier lists and people don't put him more than A

[raven onyx]

Well he doesnt have armor,

[acoustic belfry]

Actually neither TnJ do, many people and even almost all tier lists say TnJ are better than Bugs

[raven onyx]

Ik thats a lie bc

Bugs can live to 150 with DI

[acoustic belfry]

He basically has more weight than TnJ

[raven onyx]

Plus he is a poking character he exists to annoy the opp

Plus HE REQUIRES A BRAIN TO PLAYY

[acoustic belfry]

TnJ too, they're a skilled character

[raven onyx]

It was people who kept running to the paddle

Into

[acoustic belfry]

Well, of course skilled character will have at least one braindead move, even bugs

[raven onyx]

You can punish him with parrying jab bc its a good combo move

Were done for if we fight a Arya

Or you know how to fight her

[acoustic belfry]

Nah, pretty sure TnJ and bugs both can solo Arya

Can your bugs reflect projectiles?

[raven onyx]

No we cant

[acoustic belfry]

That's what makes TnJ special fore, they easily reflect projectiles (ofc they are not the only character who can do that)

Even with those nerfs I see TnJ nails the top 5 until this very day, and if people ranked them less than A, they're probably drunk

[raven onyx]

We do struggle against Morty bc some dirt

[acoustic belfry]

You mean his bombs?

[raven onyx]

No Dirt.

[acoustic belfry]

I think I don't remember his move...

[raven onyx]

Dirt can destroy our Rocket,Safe,Pies

[acoustic belfry]

Oh, Now I think I get it

But I don't remember which move to do it, is it a Dspecial? Side special?

[raven onyx]

Neither do i tbh

I dont play Morty tbh

Had to drop TnJ now

[acoustic belfry]

So you're leaving this group?

[raven onyx]

No

[acoustic belfry]

So you mean you're just not playing them?

[raven onyx]

Yea until we get given our jump branch back

[acoustic belfry]

K, good luck with your bugs

See ya

[raven onyx]

Well i do have 2k wins with him

TnJ got killed off bc people keep running into them

[acoustic belfry]

Yea, TnJ are actually really hated in this game, either from PFG or from the players who play the game

But how much they suffer, I will stand with them until the very end.

[cerulean cliff]

Peep #combos, that's the last one I could find with paddle in its current state

[raven onyx]

DAMNNN YOU COOKED HIM

[acoustic belfry]

THAT WAS FIRE BRO 🔥🔥, let's hope they don't even nerf this combo, TnJ are already getting a lot of hate

[fathom wadi]

Yo what is their problem with this CHARACTER

THEY GOT RID OF THE LOOPS

WHY

[trim zealot]

Not just the loops, those were gone 2 patches ago. This nerf just got rid of combos and kill confirms, most of them at that.

[trim zealot]

I think it’s the players who fail to adapt to paddle and projectiles mainly. That and not many people play the character, so it’s hard for them to understand why we like them as they are at any given time. PFG has been known to screw up on specific moves that “noobs” (for lack of better word) struggle with, it happened with Taz in the beta, and again in the beta with Tom’s down air becoming useless for a patch.

It’s just happening again with paddle. If they do revert this change, I expect a significant on-whiff end lag nerf. Not that I want that, but it’s likely if they backpedal on this change.

[hot ice]

Tom and jerry was my first character and I got and I main him

[raven onyx]

So they killed them bc people cant adapt?

[trim zealot]

Exactly.

Not the first time.

[raven onyx]

you kidding me.

[trim zealot]

They reverted that change though.

[raven onyx]

To TnJ Dair?

[trim zealot]

I wish I were. That’s my best theory as of right now, I can’t know what the devs were thinking, but I do know there were MANY complaints about our up tilt.

[raven onyx]

People who cant adapt

Like how HARD IS IT TO PUNISH SOMEONE

[trim zealot]

I wish PFG had the guts to just tell some players “skill issue” on some changes that were highly requested. It even happened with Shaggy side b, not that it got nerfed into the ground, but it was easily punishable most of the time.