Superman

[glossy moat]

I don't think you understand what im saying lol

I faced a superman who literally just canceled the armor attack at will anytime i went for the whiff punish

And do a wave dash reset and come back to try and bait me

[brisk fiber]

yeah man he's a hooper thats just how it is

you can put 100000 hours into any character and look like a monster against anyone else who isnt as good as you

learning the matchup is your choice though and its not easy but atleast you can develop a gameplan and see yourself get better at executing it every time you play a supes

until you know just how to beat superman players at your level and even slightly above (since they might not know the matchup as well as you)

[glossy moat]

Its whatever

Feels like my 1k wins or whatever is for nothing when i get cheesed out of a game, this mid season patch better address the core issues or the game dies AGAIN

[brisk fiber]

cheesing is just part of platform fighters

and has been since forever

ever since the first SSB

and the convo we are having is one they probably had to have back then too

besides supes has the glaring weakness of a terrible neutral

you can take advantage of that

[glossy moat]

Guess that answers my next question if platform fighters are even competitive, at least this one

[brisk fiber]

they are but like

people will just cheese if they can

[glossy moat]

And true, his neutral is ass

[brisk fiber]

this isnt even exclusive to platform fighters

this is all fighters

"noob stompers" is a term because of that

characters that do really well against newer players but struggle otherwise

[glossy moat]

Im finding it moreso on here than any other fighting game

Even smash

[verbal gate]

I lost like my first 300 games on smash before I started winning

[glossy moat]

That's crazy

[verbal gate]

Twas a process

I’m just so bad at controllers lol 😭

[covert epoch]

[glacial obsidian]

can any superman players respond to this

#combos message

[verbal gate]

maybe could have upaired but honestlya s far as i can tell that's about the best u can do

[glacial obsidian]

aw dang. im not good with Superman I just like that he has super armor on his moves. only played him for a few hours while in free rotation

[verbal gate]

u seem pretty good to me. Superman is all about false combos and high lethality imo

[hollow grove]

Superman needs buffs

[glacial obsidian]

thank u! i'll try to remember that. Superman seems great for off-stage shenanigans

[covert epoch]

for someone that's not good with him you did pretty decent in that clip, most new superman's spam sniper punch

[glacial obsidian]

Iron Giant is the character I play the most. i've come across many Superman players, it's easy to replicate their playstyle. I just am not good in the sense that I know every Superman combo at every percentage and what ko's at what specific percentage

[covert epoch]

Honestly for Superman he can kill at almost any %

I didn't get to finish off this banana but still was a crazy assist #clips message

Was at 0%

[glacial obsidian]

i see, i see. yeah, he's probably better in 2v2s. there's so many things going on to focus a lot on one person

[verbal gate]

sniper punching past ur current "opponent" on the other dude is just so nasty, they enver see it coming

[hollow grove]

Is Joker just a 0-10 match up?

What tool am I not using to beat this broken character

[summer ridge]

No matchup is ever 0-10 outside of a very select few instances across all fighting games

That being said, yeah Joker is pretty rough for Superman

The only thing I can say is to punish Joker for overextending his combos (usually he’s trying to chase you with balloon which has a decent amount of lag)

If you get hit by his air side b, you’re basically screwed

[hollow grove]

@tall edge You are literally a clown lol

[tall edge]

2nd game on LOL

[verbal gate]

DAMN the beef is crazy

I had a joker full on passive only bait and punish gameplay the entire match

Like please bro I’m trying to have fun 😭

[verbal gate]

Feel like joker has to be rough for everyone

[verbal gate]

Most of your ability to beat jokers is gonna come from the fact that they’re being carried by joker and probably are actually much worse than you tbh

[summer ridge]

Yeah, he’s a bad matchup for a lot of characters. Joker is the second best character imo

[hollow grove]

I keep watching him spam up attack and I think to myself "What gimmicky spammy move does Superman have?"

O wait none

[summer ridge]

Superman can’t spam the same way, but he can kill off a single read

[brisk fiber]

he'll get nerfed soon enough friend

ice breath helps with his pressure though since you can freeze the balloon

and the cards

[brisk fiber]

flying side special is the definition of gimmicky spammy move

[hollow grove]

And it has the worse hit box ever with low kill power

[brisk fiber]

its still super gimmicky and spammy since its inconsistent

[signal lintel]

miss that up throw.

Nothing like punishing some greedy shaggy charging at the top lmao

[short flame]

we do need that up throw back

down throw can stay gone

[hollow grove]

Its crazy that characters can kill with up attacks at 90 but up throw is gone

[brisk fiber]

you still can

you just flip who is edgeguarding

[warped elm]

Why do we need the throws again? do we just want to be iron giant 2 again?

[brisk fiber]

yea the upthrow nerf was fine

it was pretty ridiculous with how oppressive it was

[summer ridge]

Superman ledge campers in beta just waiting to grab you and cheese a stock by throwing you directly down we’re really annoying

[verbal gate]

the occaisional down throw was so juicy though

[simple quest]

Still crazy we don't have a Daily Planet stage with the classic Superman theme similar to the Batcave.

[keen rover]

They could also do The Fortress of Solitude

[simple quest]

True

[hollow grove]

This character is so nerfed its insane

Fighting actually good players instead of noobs dodging into full charge smash attacks tell you alot

[sudden geyser]

Playing superman be like

2x the effort

-5 the reward

[fleet pelican]

Until you IAD sair someone from the edge of the stage and kill them off the side 👌
did it twice in a row on a Finn today

[hollow grove]

And then Finn TODs you at 50 off the top

[fleet pelican]

Finn's TOD isn't even true if you DI out so I'm generally not worried about it

The only thing they can really get you with is a dodge read using side special

[hollow grove]

I just want my moves to kill at high %. That's all lol

I grabbed a guy at the ceiling at 90% and he lived

If a bugs up airs you at that kinda height your dead at 60

[sudden geyser]

I think the problem with superman is that

He's kinda balanced

Vs

The meta who are unbalanced

I think we complain because we don't have the broken aspect like other characters have yknow

[hushed parcel]

Yeah also we mad cause beta had broken cheese Superman and we lost the broken cheese for some plain normal cheese

[sudden geyser]

Any superman changes?

[short flame]

none spoken of in the stage

but they are saying the blog post with the full notes will go over practically everyone

so gotta wait until notes are released to know

[karmic pier]

I don't own Superman but got him to level 5.

[sudden geyser]

Did goat get buffed?

[short flame]

All nerfs

He got his grounded up special sig perk back tho

Uptilt stuns less

Air Up special is more punishable

[sudden geyser]

Bro

💀💀💀💀

Out of all characters

[lean sentinel]

We got cooked

[unborn summit]

What does the frost breath nerf do exactly?

[short flame]

I think it's just so friendly projectiles affected by ice breath can't deal more than six stacks of freeze

[hollow grove]

Wow there is no love for this character

Im just gonna play Velma in 2v2 this is cringe

After all the bullcrap since launch Superman got NERFED

and Tom and Jerry still has his up attack loops

[hollow grove]

Dude superman is getting nerfs when his down special barely works

[simple quest]

His lazer beams? They work fine for me

[fleet pelican]

People literally run around over the down special and don't get hit, it's so bad

Also his grounded up special doesn't even lead into itself and barely has any combos into it, why would you run it as a signature perk???

[hollow grove]

Its so bad it literally NEVER works

[simple quest]

It does lead into itself? I've done it to many players and they got it by hit the entire time both in 1's and 2's.

[simple quest]

Works for me. They still get launched in the air when they don't move outta the way on the ground and still get caught on fire.

[hollow grove]

It doesnt work depending on % most of the time

[fleet pelican]

They must be dropping their controller then cuz you literally just have to hold away

I guess I didn't word that correctly

[simple quest]

Ah yeah that's true. It's cause they get knocked backed farther on higher damage percent. Like at 80

[brisk fiber]

I’m ngl I understand why

Superman probably has a good win rate

[errant sequoia]

They do combo with a cancel down air

[brisk fiber]

since despite his weaknesses his matchups are usually always easier than who he is facing

[errant sequoia]

Also grounded up special it's True with up air

[summer ridge]

Nope. 48% win rate in 1v1 and 47% win rate in 2v2

He was unjustifiably nerfed

[fleet pelican]

I mean that's great but that means you still don't want the new signature perk, which is what I was talking about

[errant sequoia]

I dont know why you would run something else than sniper punch (besides specific matchup)

[fleet pelican]

Honestly 5% may be the best

[summer ridge]

5% is better than sniper punch imo

Sure sniper punch can kill at like 40, but it’s so easily reactable

[fleet pelican]

It's like Greninja shadow sneak from Smash Ultimate, but with a very clear visual indicator where it will be. It's very easy to interrupt and won't work against good players

Since armor only applies when he starts the actual punch

[summer ridge]

Yeah you can literally just throw a lingering hitbox on reaction and Superman gets hit

Or just dodge

[stark sandal]

💩 devs Superman was literally one of the few who needed nerfs

Superman wasn’t anywhere near broken like WW or bugs

Just listening to children who suck at the game

[simple quest]

And cancellable

[unborn sparrow]

the only time it works for me is aiming it where they aren't in hopes they'll dodge to that spot

[brisk fiber]

nah...

sniper punch is too good at killing to ever not run that perk

and in tougher matchups your only lifeline may be being able to punish poor neutral with a random sniper punch

the 5% is easier to execute since its a flat buff but if you want to improve you need to get better at hitting your sniper punches anyway

and if you are good at hitting your sniper punches you are gonna already be using the perk

[hollow grove]

Iv landed it at 90-100 at the ceiling and they lived

It sucks at killling

[brisk fiber]

must be a bug or a glitch or smth because sniper punch kills

[stark sandal]

Why was Superman nerfed c

[hollow grove]

Winrate

[stark sandal]

?

Superman wasn’t broken at all

PFG deadass just looked at the winrate?

He was a balanced character ppl were good with wth

[hollow grove]

I have no clue blue

Up smash got nerfed to have less hitstun

and the down special hit box isnt getting fixed

He legit got nerfed in the crossfire because of winrate

Wait if the hitstun of the move is lower doesnt that reduce kill power?

[stark sandal]

Dumbest 💩

I’ve never seen a more incompetent dev team

Superman was nowhere near broken

[sudden geyser]

Ye

[hollow grove]

Maybe the 1% of god tier superman players were doing too well

[stark sandal]

Superman wasn’t even winning a bunch a tournaments

[sudden geyser]

Fly away is bugged

Lazers are bugged

[stark sandal]

I really hope they didn’t listen to useless nakat

And Reddit criers

[sudden geyser]

Superman cheese only works

If you don't di

Or dodge

Jab into uptilt and ground slam are really

The only confirmed kills

And that move sometimes let people stray away

It's fine tho my ass going back to fortnite

[hollow grove]

Jab into down tilt isnt true btw, just DI up and you dont hit the ground

But getting hit by Jerry, Bug's forward air, and black Adam's air lightning automatically make you hit the floor

same for Garnet and Steven's neutral air

[brisk fiber]

im not tripping over superman nerfs

because ill still play my boy 🤷‍♂️

besides black adam is right there if you want someone strong and combo heavy

[stark sandal]

Is the new Superman perk good?

[hollow grove]

Its the fact they didnt fix the broken stuff

[stark sandal]

The one they re added

[hollow grove]

Its for 2v2s

Lights teamates projectiles on fire

Outside of that it does nothing

[verbal gate]

Nah I feel this. I noticed that I can see laser on recordings but not during actual gameplay… and when the character is doing literally anything they’re just immune to the laser. Sliding? Immune. Finn charging? Immune. Performing a jab? Immune. Idk what is up with it

[hollow grove]

Their feet to have to be firmly planted on the ground for it to hit

[verbal gate]

It’s lowkey ridiculous. Why would sliding on the exploding ground not make you privy to getting hit by it

[hollow grove]

I just did my jab into up title and the guy survived pasted 120

This is so stupid

Hit him with sniper punch at 130 he lived

A dev must of got THRASHED by Superman bruh

[empty yoke]

This character keeps getting obliterated in patches and it's kinda silly

Superman was never s tier IMO. But they manage to keep gutting him 😭

[fleet pelican]

Less hitstun on grounded up attack isn't very impactful but still stings that the devs even thought it needed to be nerfed

[hollow grove]

His side special kills at 50 just land that

[fleet pelican]

Wut

Sarcasm?

[hollow grove]

Nah

Maybe superman in 2v2 was overperforming

Because in 1v1s its exactly the same but slightly worse

[sudden geyser]

Whoever keeps nerfing him must not play the game In a semi comp level

But don't worry yall shaggy will at 80 instead of 60 now amen

[stark sandal]

It’s nakat

And all of the other useless Cans

[sudden geyser]

Atp yeah

It just feels so tone deaf

[hollow grove]

Bro I dont care if they nerf him more just fix the stuff that doesnt work

[sudden geyser]

Lazers are buggy and just bad in general

His side grab legit drops people

💀💀

I miss beta mvs

So bad

[brisk fiber]

its hard to hit, its good if your opponent isnt approaching

since you can atleast attempt some sort of mixup and they have to respect it or else it can combo into his upair

which is a kill threat

[hollow grove]

They added this garbage Court 2 map as well its literally just Mojo jojo

[royal violet]

y'all encountered the exploit yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exHTUHDvELI

[hollow grove]

Ok so Superman has it too lol

Just had that done to me by Json

Patch is broken

[royal violet]

is jason's own with the grab he has?

where he stabs you repeatedly

[mental ibex]

kinda disappointed

pretty much no supes changes

[hollow grove]

Winrate too high so he got a free nerf

[empty yoke]

Supes needs lasers fixed. Up throw off air grab back.(they can keep his downthrow spike.) And perks that innovate more of his kit

[mental ibex]

honestly lasers are so glitchy

you cant even use them on some maps at all

like scooby mansion

[hollow grove]

His up smash needs another nerf honestly

It should only kill past 140

[mental ibex]

grounded or air?

bellyflop sucks ass tbh

[hollow grove]

Both just to be safe

Cant have him KOing people off the top below 80 O SHT HALF THE ROSTER DOES THAT

[lean sentinel]

give superman beta up smash

[mental ibex]

bro the air one literally cannot throw people upwards anymore

[fading zealot]

sniper punch nerfed. boooo

[summer ridge]

Not even 50% win rate and he was still nerfed for no reason

[hollow grove]

Literally a bug fix not a nerf lol

[serene zephyr]

can someone tell superman consistent true combos and kill confirms

[sudden geyser]

That's the funny thing

[oblique wind]

Uhm...combos? Superman doesn't have combos.

Which is why he's still not all that great.

[summer ridge]

With jab unstale, you can do jab 1,2,3 (wait for the 4th hit of rapid jab) -> dtilt -> dodge jab 1,2,3 (same thing) -> d tilt -> nair -> sair

Nair -> sair itself will often just outright kill off stage

Near a wall, you can also chain nair into itself several times

Dair will also combo into nair at low to mid percents if you get the stage spike

Laser can combo into any aerial provided the move actually hits (it won’t 90% of the time because laser kinda sucks)

[sudden geyser]

To all my superman players this is how you improve with superman

Take your combo and set ups

Unlock black adam

And just main black adam

[rapid loom]

Did they nerf his air up special on ledges?

He doesnt throw them as far as before

[fading zealot]

No they just did this stupid thing to where they significantly decrease his throw range if he grabs someone from right on the ledge. Its a new mechanic that makes zero sense.

[simple quest]

So if thats the case. Why not bring back the ability to throw people in up and down direction?

[sudden geyser]

Because they don't know bruh

[patent steppe]

Isn't this true?

#off-topic message

[brisk fiber]

but black adam doesnt have his survivability or his ice breath or sniper punch or his grabs

so HELL NAH

[hollow grove]

It isnt a true combo if they DI up. Trust me I know

Literally a knowledge check

or maybe im doing it wrong

[summer ridge]

It should be true, but you have to cancel the 4th rapid jab and your jab has to be fresh

Unless if this is a specific confirm where you need 5%, snowball, and pugilist

[hollow grove]

I grabed a guy with up special at 90 at the edge and he actually died

Lords above answerd my prayers

[timid drift]

What are superman's best perks

[summer ridge]

Snowball, last stand, pugilist

Either use 5% or sniper punch

I prefer 5% because I don’t use sniper punch much since it’s reactable

[sudden geyser]

Idk

Ice breath can apply flame

[hollow grove]

Sniper Punch's kill power is borked

I have landed that on 90% enemies at double jump height and they have lived

[summer ridge]

Wack

[pale canopy]

Wym borked

They nerf it or sum?

[hollow grove]

No I mean its kill power is terrible on high % targets

Its working off of beta superman stats or something

but people at disgustingly high % survive it often

[rapid loom]

tbh it was kinda broken, i would up special in the ledge then just dash nair and 90% of the time they'll get ko'ed in 2 moves

More over if I was over 100 damage and had last stand perk

But it was fun i enjoyed it, it shouldnt have been nerfed this hard

Now after you up special in the ledge you cannot follow up any combo unless the person is at 90+ damage

Maybe its for the best that they've lowered the kill potential of straight up 0 to death from just a ledge grab to nair combo

Also I noticed if you do groundair attack then follow up with air up attack, you can hear the sound of the up attack hit, but they actually dont get hit

So they nerfed the ground air attack + jump to up air attack ko move

Kinda lame

[oblique wind]

Superman really was screwed over

[stark sandal]

When a company has one collective brain cell

They just looked at his win rate and nerfed him

Superman was one of the few character in this game that wasn’t broken

[oblique wind]

I mean in Beta he was absolutely insane, but that doesn't mean they had to take literally everything away

[sudden geyser]

Lazer needs to be fixed

This character still having bugs

After 2 patches is insane

[final marten]

wfgdfs

how do i counter this character?

[fleet pelican]

Play better, his tools aren't particularly overtuned

[hollow grove]

Dont dodge into full charge up smash

if he lasers you from the top of the screen micro jump

[final marten]

yea ngl i keep making that mistake

[hollow grove]

And that is why he got nerfed

[final marten]

the input buffer is so damn slow so by the time i notice what i didd its too late

[final marten]

lol

[hollow grove]

DI up if he hits you with his standing jab combo

if youre past 90 DI down

[lean sentinel]

Might as well drop superman for morty at this point

Feels easier to get kills with him

[untold delta]

Superman is literally top 3 what are y'all yapping about

[summer ridge]

Nice bait

[untold delta]

MVScord regulars on their way to spawn in and ruin my fun

[pale canopy]

Superman was prolly the most balanced character they ain’t have to do him like dis

[brisk fiber]

play neutral

superman is great at killing and is hard to kill himself

but its not hard to abuse his weak neutral especially if you keep applying pressure / whiff punishing

[hollow grove]

Great at killing?!

[brisk fiber]

sniper punch, side air, air side special

along with his combos

yeah he doesnt have a hard time killing

[hollow grove]

🧢

[brisk fiber]

i just gave you tools of his that are good at killing either through damage or just carrying them offstage 😭

[hollow grove]

Only inhuman homunculi get hit by side special. Sniper Punch's kill power is so terrible its beyond comprehension. And Side air only kills if their literally inside the blast zone already

[fading zealot]

By playing a faster character

[fallow herald]

does thats flammable work on ice breath xd?

[trail osprey]

Someone has never landed air side at a high percent, I guess.

Leap also kills well.

[fallow herald]

any supes wanna mirror

[hollow grove]

This game sucks

[hollow grove]

This character literally loses to every single top tier character

Gets erfed anyway

[vale halo]

Skill issue

[hollow grove]

Half of my kit doesnt work

[vale halo]

The half that does is pretty good though

Superman is a mid tier fighter, sadly that means you can’t play on autopilot like with Joker and WW

[hollow grove]

Im so glad I didnt spend bread on this game

They got me with the first battle pass I admit

But 10 bones is a good spot to quit while behind lol

[eternal rover]

They will get my money if they make a red son skin

[short flame]

maybe a tad more difficult considering the communism stuff, but it'd be sick

[brisk fiber]

skill issue

if you can beat the worst player of a top tier character then its not the character

if you really want the edge that bad just play a top tier character yourself

[hollow grove]

I think im beyond caring about whether its skill or not

This game's balance is just awful

Im playing better sht

[hollow grove]

The literal play is to just use Joker actually. Until that dude gets nerfed just transfer the solid neutral you got from playing Superman onto him

[sudden geyser]

I'm sorry but skill issue or not

This character has obvious bugs

Grab doesn't work sometimes

Lazer is broken

Bad neutral state

Stubby hit boxes

Good killer power and weight (if you can get a hit first)

Meanwhile joker has been nerfed and yet still is the best character in the game?

[brisk fiber]

i just enjoy playing supes 😭

and i put in the work to get good enough to figure out how to win with him

[hollow grove]

God be with you

but im gonna go play Xenoblade

[brisk fiber]

fun game, W

[brisk fiber]

🙏

[verbal gate]

i honestly just enjoy killing ppl int eh dumbestw ays

[brisk fiber]

yeah same

[oblique wind]

Where do you think Superman is on the tier list?

[trail osprey]

Somewhere in the high middle.

[hollow grove]

Bottom A

[silk shadow]

Not anymore! Ladies and gentlemen they nerfed him! Again!

Woohoo!!!

[hollow grove]

The play is to use Joker literally

[silk shadow]

REAL

[nocturne briar]

can I ask

how do you counter this guy

[untold delta]

What character

Because if you dont have a solid armor break like WWs nair or Batmans dtilt, just run the 2fast2block perk

Neutralizes armor

His nair is pretty strong but dodge down or up rather than left and right because its multi hit so you cant actually dodge it on dodge in

With his sniper punch, definitely either dodge or jab when he uses it

Dodge is safer

You dont wanna get hit by it it kills everyone at 2% unless they changed that idk I dont read patch notes I just avoid getting hit by it

[nocturne briar]

Thank you bro

I play morty

[warped elm]

Superman is very good but people don't know how to press dodge while playing him, fr

[hollow grove]

Dodge an up air into another up air because his frame data is dog

[brisk fiber]

play neutral

unless they are really good you should be able to comfortably win off just that

[carmine panther]

wassup fellas

[hollow grove]

gb

[carmine panther]

having fun playing Superman?

[hollow grove]

game bad

[carmine panther]

real

[sacred swan]

6 weeks in with broken lasers still and then with the last update air up special also broke... and they say they fixed his air side special, but it still gets stuck on walls and platforms.. W game really

W fighter with 4 broken moves 🔥

[hollow grove]

Play Joker or Morty

[untold delta]

Skill issue

[clever beacon]

This guy is a plague in these chats

Quick question whats the way out of supermans sair into sair into sair?

[untold delta]

Dodge in or DI down/away and pray

Sair shouldnt true combo into sair

It's not Bugs nair

[clever beacon]

I thought di down got me away but i think if he guesses it catches right?

Its sair instant air dodge into sair

[fleet pelican]

Depends on the spacing a lot of the time tbh
Cuz if they're below you when hitting it, DI down just puts you right into the next sair, but DI up would put you out of range

[carmine panther]

Golly you want me to fight?

[warped elm]

Superman's underrated as hell fr

[untold delta]

Superman is so far from underrated

If anything, he's overrated

99% of players call him broken

[warped elm]

Nah, people put him before agent smith or steven

He's clearly is way better

Infinite ice makes him basically have free neutral on advantage

[untold delta]

Better than smith?

Smith can loop half the cast and deal a billion damage and with hand cannon he can kill at like 60%

He's despicable

[warped elm]

He's way worse than superman against top characters IMO

[short flame]

Superman just shuts down any slow characters

So it's a little polarizing

Even then there's enough counterplay

[untold delta]

Yeah playing Jason against Supes felt unwinnable

[warped elm]

Like superman is even against morty as an example

[untold delta]

Especially when he just started abusing loops

[short flame]

Ok bub

[warped elm]

The best superman said that so, don't believe me but try to talk with uzi about that

[short flame]

Link me whatever alternate dimension MVS you're playing

[warped elm]

Nvm, I was a little bit wrong
But anthos (probably second best player of the game rn) says that morty is even

''Ice in neutral. Morty is light. He can hold Morty in disadvantage decently. Dirt up air isn’t really a problem bc Superman is very aerial n if he isn’t getting hit by that lives a long time. Lasers forces air game''
-Anthos

I don't know man, if someone likes him with 11k wins on superman say it maybe it's true lol

[short flame]

It still is the wall that is Morty

At most Superman just gets an early kill, which means he's not suffering him as long

[untold delta]

Anthos is actually unreliable and really bad, actually

[short flame]

Don't be rude

[untold delta]

It's a joke

Satire

Sarcasm, if you want it to go that far

[warped elm]

With an early kill you basically become a wall too, the only thing morty can use to approach superman ice breath is sair and they nerfed the hitbox of that thing

It's a snowball matchup tbh, the first getting a kill probably wins

[short flame]

No

[warped elm]

People don't realize how broken is infinite ice breath, there's a reason why they nerfed that on beta

[short flame]

You ice breath and you eat Dirt

Yes, it negates Morty just spamming out neutral attack and Nade zoning

But that's a quarter of his kit

[warped elm]

Nade is probably the second most unfair thing of morty so, imagine you get rid of that, you basically only have one thing to worry about and it's dirt

[short flame]

Nade's only really unfair mid-combo

Or in very quick edgeguard situations

Morty doesn't really want to just throw raw nades, because nades from neutral special suck so bad

[carmine panther]

without cause might I add

[untold delta]

I mean he's definitely strong

[carmine panther]

Oh yeah I didn't mean that I just meant that there's not much I'd say is really broken about him

[untold delta]

He does have a loop, those are always evil

[carmine panther]

That's true

[untold delta]

I can definitely see why people say he's broken now

All he has to do is land up b off stage and he gets a free kill

[carmine panther]

up b doesnt even work as intended rn

it doesn't throw people anywhere sometimes

[untold delta]

I've never seen it not work 🤷‍♂️

[carmine panther]

well you must have gotten very lucky

it's a pretty well documented issue

[untold delta]

unlucky*

I don't play Superman

I hate cheesy characters

[carmine panther]

https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MVS-3446

[carmine panther]

oh well that makes sense

well of course you've never seen it not work because you don't play him 💀

[untold delta]

I've played against a lot in 2s

[carmine panther]

it's easily reproducable too

kinda sad

that they won't fix him

[untold delta]

Wow they didn't fix the bug in a week when they have a million other things to fix because this game is still in beta

Terrible devs

[carmine panther]

Worse still the original bug report went unanswered and it had more votes

The devs hate us😭

[untold delta]

The devs actually hate dealing with bugs

I posted a bug report about Joker which just vanished 2 days later
Maybe Jokers spade card is meant to just throw one so you can predict the Joker card coming out with 2 additional smaller cards

They want the game dead

[carmine panther]

Sad too because I see so much potential

[warped elm]

Nah bro anthos is playing superman again and is having good results

I knew sups was underrated all along but people call me crazy and says that he is bad cuz he's big (Like iron giant is bad bcuz of that lol)

I think I'm going to start playing it, it seems fun to make the others approach while giving them ice debuff for free

[untold delta]

He's still overrated

People call him busted but that's just not it, he's overtuned for sure but not busted

Also Anthos is just a really good player lmao

If a player as good as Anthos has good results, it probably has something to do with him just idk... being really good at the game?

[warped elm]

Nah, I don't think he is overrated, as I said before he has good matchups against some of the top tiers, still wonder woman and joker are a problem but sooner or later they are getting nerfed

[warped elm]

I actually agree with this but isn't weird that he said that superman wasn't good on release so he switched to ww

And then he's back to superman?

Like wonder woman isn't that bad to switch

I think he knows something

[untold delta]

He was being a baby about Superman not teleporting across the map I think

[stark sandal]

Need a bizarro Superman skin asap

[carmine panther]

that's so real

like honestly Bizarro is more deserving of a skin than Black Lantern Supes

[sudden geyser]

Morty dirt so annoying

[hollow grove]

Play Joker

[carmine panther]

That's some real advice 💀💀💀

[hollow grove]

Im not kidding

Play Joker if you want to not deal with zoners

or characters with spammy moves with low recovery

[warped elm]

You know you can stay in the air with infinite ice breath and they can't hit you? while you give them the ice debuff and approach

[untold delta]

It is

Joker has several free win buttons

[lean sentinel]

Bruh Jack might have a better command grab than Superman

[carmine panther]

maybe

[untold delta]

Yeah you guys should not be asking for buffs with an infinite lmao

[hollow grove]

🤓

[untold delta]

Character carried 🥱

[hollow grove]

This character is mid

Are you playing against someone who is destroying you with Superman?

Who is giving you the opinion that hes good lol

[untold delta]

He is a good character lmao

[hollow grove]

A good character where half his attacks dont work

KOPY

[untold delta]

Up b is bugged which means half his kit is broken fr

[hollow grove]

Yeah I tried to talk to you and you rage bait again anyway

Clown

[untold delta]

I'm rage baiting because his up b is bugged and the rest of his kit works fine?

Okay bud

[hollow grove]

Clown

[untold delta]

You guys are just like Batman mains lmao

[viscid matrix]

Someone just lost to a good player using Superman

Superman needs buffs

[untold delta]

Infinite is unbalanced and beating a Garnet with an infinite shouldn't be a challenge

[viscid matrix]

What infinite

[untold delta]

Jab > jab > dtilt

DI out doesn't even save Garnet

Garnet needs buffs

[lean sentinel]

Nuh uh

Bring back beta Superman PFG I beg

[harsh raptor]

What infinite? It’s the same as other loops , it does about 30 dmg 🤣

[untold delta]

60+ lmao

[harsh raptor]

It’s not a 0td

??? Bro is tripping

[untold delta]

No a 0td is reserved for the top tiers

Like Joker

Or Iron Giant

[harsh raptor]

Finn has a 0td

Ig aswell

[untold delta]

It's DIable

And dodgeable

[harsh raptor]

Yeh but still very situational

Still shouldn’t exist

[untold delta]

Yeah but idk how they can fix it tbh

A lot of this game is just crappy and bad now

Unfixable

[lean sentinel]

Superman nerfs again smh

[hollow grove]

HE GOT NERFED AGAIN LOL

[viscid matrix]

Bro

Why are they touching Superman again

PFG don’t know how to balance a thing

[sudden geyser]

Bro

They buffed wonder woman

This game is so washed

[vale holly]

Im pretty sure the devs hate superman.

[hollow grove]

Is this a joker angle?

Who can I play that is close enough to superman

[vale holly]

It's like all the toons (plus joker) have a bunch of range and multiple attacks. Crazy hitboxes, and they can use their range stuff with no cooldown. But superman gets destroy on his moves again

[errant sequoia]

For sure

[vale holly]

I switched to Black adam

[errant sequoia]

Time to buy samurai Jack

Even if the nerfs don't matter that much they could at least fix his lasers and other bug idk

[vale holly]

Joker can throw his cards a bunch of times per minutes. But superman, the only range thing he has, has a massive cooldown.

[errant sequoia]

And it didn't even work properly

[hollow grove]

Krill Issue

[vale holly]

if you say so

[hollow grove]

Superman is best character in the game

Clearly

If you don't think so its Skrill issue

[crimson mango]

Am I tweakin or did this nerf to Superman's neutral air kinda cook him

This is a bit crazy brah 😭

[carmine panther]

The devs hate us

[crimson mango]

I'm convinced

Bro Superman was honest asf he doesn't even have anything crazy really, I really think he was fine where he was. This nerf to neutral air sucked a lot of fun out of the character for me

I'm still putting in work but damn

[hollow grove]

He has some disgusting conversions that lead into kills off the side with neutral air into side air

That's about it

Everything else he does is either nerfed or doesn't work

[crimson mango]

Yeah that was literally his only real "Gimmick" which you had to work for if your opponent understood the character in the slightest

I liked feeling fast with the neutral air too, it was really fun to use. Imma keep playing the character since I just love Superman, but I feel like this nerf was a bit unfair to my man

[hollow grove]

Some goofy nerfed his up tilt because they thought up tilt into up air was a true combo

[viscid matrix]

It’s yapping Nakat

You see how fast they buffed WW

He needs to be fired

[fleet pelican]

It was a DI read to set it up so it shouldn't even lead to more than one, maybe two ringouts per game

[ebon shadow]

Trying out Supes here, any advice for a former Garnet/Stripe?

[hollow grove]

Play Joker instead

[crimson mango]

Play someone else

[ebon shadow]

why not? i've been looking for a new main to find my playstyle and i like combo-grapplers and set-up fighters so

[crimson mango]

Lolz

He doesn't know

[ebon shadow]

(And I've been doing absolutely everything to avoid becoming a Black Adam main bc I feel cursed to inevitably learn him)

[unborn sparrow]

if i had to explain superman in like a few words:
great advantage state, awful neutral and relies on armor, reads, and nair/sair off stage 😭 (those got nerfed in 2.0 patches)

[neat wadi]

superman feels fast

[unborn sparrow]

agreed

might be different after his nair/sair nerfs though

as they dont carry as much momentum iirc

[hollow grove]

The armor superman has can be easily counterplayed

Especially if you have a character with a dash attack as a kill move like Batman or Finn

Hes not a slow moving armored tank like in the beta

You die at 100 to everything, he has low kill power, and relies on hard reads and gimmicks to win

But the few gimmicks he can get away with and his up tilt stop him from being bottom tier

[crimson mango]

His kill power is easily the worst part of him now

Didn't even give him a trade with the neutral air nerf

[ebon shadow]

If it helps with finding direction (and if there's any platform fighter players) I used to play Incin in Smash and currently use Orcane in Rivals of Aether. Used Donnie in the few times I got my hands on NASB2. I like his advantage state but neutral can be rly hard for me on him, esp since he relies on armor that can easily be circumvented if both just charge in in 2s

I'm glad I can ask players like you so I can figure out where I wanna go with this game and experiment

[crimson mango]

Honestly the only advice I can really give you is do his jab jab into down tilt combo as much as you can since it's like his best thing now, and also do up B off stage/as an edge guard because it's really funny @ebon shadow

Freeze breath works as an edge guard sometimes too, depends on how scared your opponent is

[ebon shadow]

👍 i always knew the funny grab worked

[crimson mango]

Nah I mean the ground up b

It's hilarious

[ebon shadow]

ohhh

up-b still funny either way

while i don't see supes might be my type he does still seem fun

[sudden geyser]

Im crying
As soon nakat was put on the dev team balancing got way worsw

[fleet pelican]

This character is bottom tier now

but no WW totally needed a buff

[median elbow]

Ngl I think this is a dum char.

Why can't I punish any of his dodges cus his ground attacks instantly start up after?

[fleet pelican]

wait for the attack to whiff and hit him then

[crimson mango]

Superman can dodge like 2 times before his dodge meter is cooked bro literally just wait for him to miss or make him dodge

[hollow grove]

If he misses his armoured attacks you get a free combo and they cant kill you anyway unless youre past 120

You can also put on break armour on dash attack perk and his ground game is cooked 100% depending on the character youre playing

Bashing your head against his armoured attacks is exactly what NOT to do

but what the devs think EVERYONE does

and it makes Superman OP from their POV

[hollow grove]

Yeah this nerf to his neutral air is pretty bad

Like wtf Im just not allowed to pressure people with this move anymore?

Who did this

Meanwhile I can still knowledge check people by looping them with 4 down tilts in a row?

Who ACTUALLY balanced this character? Can I get a name lol

YO THIS IS AWFU LOL

THEY NEED TO ROLL BACK THIS NERF ASAP

DID ANYONE PLAY THIS CHARACTER BEFORE PUSHING THIS LOL

Neutral air into side air is BARELY a true combo anymore

Youre just using move and none of them combo into each other lol

[crimson mango]

Superman neutral air nerf forces all Superman mains to start reading 800 page novels with the way you have to just rely on reads now

[hollow grove]

His beams and up special are still BUGGED

his neutral smash has horrible kill power

[crimson mango]

His laser still being bugged is actually INSANE LOLLLL that's like the ONE pressure move he has at this point 😭

[hollow grove]

I need to know what im missing that makes this character god tier broken enough to get 3-4 straight nerfs

Morty's dirt still doesnt have a cooldown

and they just REMOVED WW's lasso cooldown

Who is balancing this game

[crimson mango]

Original Superman was really good at stomping newer players since they didn't really know the character well, and I think the devs assumed the new players would stay bad forever, so they decided to nerf him into the ground

I think original Superman was fine, I really don't understand these nerfs

[hollow grove]

Im assuming theres a lone Superman player terrorizing high elo players and thats how the nerfs are justified

This is wild man

[crimson mango]

LOL

[viscid matrix]

Stupid ass Nakat

[golden relic]

That was probably me

I'm sad now

Supes feels bad to play

I woulda preferred if they nerfed the jab jab down tilt combo

not the aerial attacks

wtf

why did wonderwoman's cooldown get removed again

[viscid matrix]

I already told u

Nakat

He’s brain dead

[golden relic]

what?

[golden relic]

what does this mean?

[hollow grove]

Nakat was the original EVO champion

He mained WW

He was a made a community manager

[golden relic]

whats that gotta do with supes

[viscid matrix]

Are you dumb?

Like can you not pick up on context and cues?

[simple quest]

You litertally asked why ww's got her cd removed

[crimson mango]

Why are you insulting him tho

Brah getting cooked for not instantly pulling into the conspiracy theory 😭

[golden relic]

Of course I can but theres nothing around to indicate bro intentionally got wonder's cooldown back

Unless you can show me

Otherwise keep your headcanon my good sir

[crimson mango]

He said "You either with us, or against us 😈" When he insulted you 😭

[golden relic]

I'm a batman main too myself, sad to see both supes and bats get the hammer with this patch

Damn lasers are still bugged

Grab at ledge is still bugged too

[hollow grove]

Landed my up special on a guy at 50 and it didnt combo into the second hit

[golden relic]

if it doesnt combo into second hit it can usually combo into up air or down air

i'd say side air or neutral air but we know what happened to them

[hollow grove]

I have to burn half my dodge meter to land a single hit that doesnt kill because my kill move doesnt work properly?

[golden relic]

No wonder they gave him a regeneration suit, bro got killed in the new patch

mans need to get his powers back

[hollow grove]

Im NGL this feels really raelly bad

Like unplayable amounts of bad

[crimson mango]

@hollow grove Wait bro I'm literally playing against you I think LOL I was the Samurai Jack

I have no idea what kills with this dude so I was throwing out anything 😭

[hollow grove]

Superman is complete trash

and we have to wait another 30 days to see if they will fix it

This isnt worth my time

[crimson mango]

I kinda got used to the new way he plays at this point, but it's still horrible

[keen abyss]

Why is his laser so bad? Inconsistent. Sometimes is doesn’t pop up and people can walk through, it doing only 1 damage in that case and not inducing ignite.

[hollow grove]

Because back in the beta it had no cooldown and was used to stall games

and they refuse to change it

[fading zealot]

Aaaaaaannnnnddd Superman is nerfed to hell again.

Sucks so much ass, he's supposed to be a tank

[hollow grove]

A tank that dies at 100 to most of the roster

[carmine panther]

Fun right?

[fading zealot]

Yeah, super fun

[carmine panther]

His aerial game is so neutered I hate it

The one good thing about this character

[fading zealot]

And they botch it

[carmine panther]

Like I know people will say "lol armor" but honestly that's only noobs

[sudden geyser]

Marvel rivals save me

[fading zealot]

Superman already gets smacked by most of the quicker characters

and then they do this bs.

Oh well, guess I better focus on Wonder Woman and Bugs for now

[carmine panther]

Probably so yeah

[near mango]

superman dies at 150 ?

strong character

really strong

[hollow grove]

What are you smoking

There are endless moves that will smoke you the second youre past 110

He is not a heavy character

[empty yoke]

Take his jab infinite away bring back is directional up throw

[lean sentinel]

Ikr? Still weaker than shaggy 💀

[prisma stone]

Sooooo who's everyones new mains :)

[viscid matrix]

I’m bouncing around characters till PPG

[keen abyss]

I’m sticking with my boy Superman.

Seeing a lot of Finns in ranked. SMH

[ebon shadow]

I think I might up and become a Bugs main

I realize the path my playstyle has taken me onto got me into setplay characters and I'm actively trying to avoid becoming a Black Adam main

not because I hate him as a fighter, nah his moveset gels for me quite a bit

he's just a weird time capsule to me and I don't wanna be lumped in with tryhards on him

[fleet pelican]

I'm sticking with Smith because he still has a lot of unexplored combo potential imo

And I like gun

[prisma stone]

Yh my ranked has been half finns half mortys

Horrid

[keen abyss]

Haven’t seen a single Morty yet. Lots of Jacks and Finn’s.

[prisma stone]

I saw nothing but morty for like, an hour or 2 before hopping off

Idk which matchup id rather suffer through 😭

[keen abyss]

Lmao Morty is more obnoxious IMO

Just got Superman to Silver

[prisma stone]

Yeah tbf id prolly just prefer wiping with 100 grit sandpaper

I think the very sentiment of morty being able to weasel around superman forever gives too many shades of sonic and my blood probably boils hotter against one

[keen abyss]

I just want that regeneration suit Superman so I can flex 😭

Superman’s laser is so useless. Why isn’t this addressed?

Why can people just walk through it sometimes and not get popped up? What’s the condition for it?

[ebon shadow]

(as in "i'd main him but he feels too dated for me to enjoy as a character and i'd gladly learn him if i got gleamium to change to his comic skin")

(he'll do until Static drops)

(or Beetlejuice. if he's any fun tbh i'd just drop Adam for B.J.)

[hollow grove]

He was broken in the beta and they are afraid to change anything on him

[modest hedge]

Yeah that move doesn’t make sense to me

[fading zealot]

They should've made a variant of that move that can actually laser people.

[weary prairie]

They massacred the boy

Im so sad

[keen abyss]

How can we tell the devs that Superman’s kit doesn’t work?

It NEVER did. Especially his laser. His only consistent special is his side air special. His air up special is so slow on start up and low in range, you have to make a hard read to land it most times. His ice breath is virtually useless in 1v1. His laser doesn’t so what it say it should 60% of the time. His ground up special doesn’t connect the 2nd hit at high percentage. Honestly, who’s in the room when balancing Superman?

And they nerfed his air momentum on his best normals. I used to be able to at least apply pressure at the cost of meter, but now I can’t do that. I’ll take that if they fix his specials.

[verbal current]

What do we think of the Jack matchup?

I personally think it's a matchup that's slightly favorable for Superman.

Moreso due to how much armor counters Jack. (without Focus)

[weary prairie]

fixing his specials wont fix his issues with faster opponents just camping him :/
Youre absolutely right thought ice breath is so underwhelming, and his lasers are absolutely broken

[weary prairie]

I think supermans normals are too stubby and disjoints too strong against him for us to have a good matchup against jack

[keen abyss]

His normals are fine because of the armor. I think the only way to fix him is to fix his specials.

[hollow grove]

Neutral smash has no kill power

[weary prairie]

I dont think armor is enough compensation if you can be whiff punished as easily as superman can

promoting a play style of relying on armour is just going to make him a noob stomper with no way to actually chase down and fight the slipperier/floatier characters

I dont have any faith in the devs to actually recognise and fix whats wrong with superman tbh, given that they nerfed in the first place

[lean sentinel]

They need to buff it

[weary prairie]

the fact that Im supposed to get through so many characters neutral tools with 2 fast dashes maximum is just absolutely braindead

[hollow grove]

What im thinking is they are using data against low skill players. People dodge into up tilt so they nerfed it. People dont dodge his up tilt into up air and die so they nerf that too

Up tilt into up air was NEVER a true combo btw

[weary prairie]

yep, balance by numbers, no thought given to the actual gameplay loops and interactions theyre promoting

[prisma stone]

Special shoutouts to air up b sometimes just not launching properly and making me minus, right next to the other guy 💀

[keen abyss]

His damage output is lacking too. Superman is feeling like he’s low tier

[prisma stone]

His damage is good on anyone that doesnt exist solely on an atomic scale

[hollow grove]

Anyone that isnt a mindless homunculi

[prisma stone]

Cus at some point you get jab 1 dair

Otherwise youre playing raw RPS for damage

And your rock is frail and will turn to dust on contact with scissors

[hollow grove]

If you grab someone off stage and youre at the ledge, there are like 3 different bugs that can happen

[hollow grove]

and with the new patch everyone dies faster so hes not tanky

Im not a tank if harley and bugs up air kills me at 110

[prisma stone]

Yeah ive died at like 90 to morty

[hollow grove]

Morty's up air kills at 110

[prisma stone]

And its like it doesnt apply to superman as well

[hollow grove]

His up tilt kills at 120 so thats something

[prisma stone]

Outside of a good situation on a ledge wall i am not doing owt

[hollow grove]

but iv seen people survive his specials at disgusting damages

[summer ridge]

I’ve died at 88 before pre hit

[prisma stone]

Tbf up b up air always killed at like silly percent

[summer ridge]

Dirt weaken just makes uair kill so early

[prisma stone]

But ion wanna have to work everyone with up b more than i already did

[viscid matrix]

Have one of the devs actually play the damn game instead of reading twitter comments

The gutted Superman and now he feels like crap to play

Atp I’m just taking a break till powerpuff girls join the game

[weary prairie]

I just feel like they're going to buff something stupid if they do buff him.
They'll make the up b shockwave kill earlier or something stupid like that

[fading zealot]

really REALLY hate that they reduced his neutral air mommentum. Its a good option for going up close for an opening. Its like with each and every patch update they just make him suck more and more.

[carmine panther]

I wouldn't say necessarily his breath is useless it certainly has its uses against projectiles it's just a little cumbersome because of how slow it feels it comes out

[carmine panther]

You gotta charge it for 1000 years💀

[keen abyss]

True. It’s good for that and effective for edge guarded those beneath you.

[fading zealot]

No it has kill power, the problem is the knockback. its all over the place

[carmine panther]

And this is exactly what the devs see! The noobs who refuse to get better at the game and so complain about this noob stomper character

[keen abyss]

They need to be looking at these character threads

[fading zealot]

Do they?

[carmine panther]

He just feels very unfun now

Literally boils down to "you hit my armor now I'll punish"

Man used to have aerial sauce

[empty yoke]

Weird he's been gutted since beta. Even though he's never been SUPER good.

Like every patch there's a new nerf for em

[hollow grove]

You could gimmick people and kill them on the sides with the neutral and side air

So they gutted them both

[golden relic]

they should've just made counterplay for it by buffing other characters

rather than gut it

you gotta rely on armor more now with supes but any player with a brain will use the armor breaking perks

[hollow grove]

Perks dont exist

[golden relic]

wdym

[crimson mango]

They probably balance the game based off vibes and don't actually check any of this

[harsh raptor]

well you can still do it

Off stage superman is not as good pre patch obviously , but I’ve had no struggle getting constant off stage kills with neutral and sair

[hollow grove]

Yeah thats cap

[harsh raptor]

Lmao how

You gotta be good at air dash attacking aswell

[harsh raptor]

Superman is still good , just not as good as arya , Finn or joker

His worst matchups

[fading zealot]

Off topic but who else has the July 4th Superman skin?

[harsh raptor]

Not me

Superman did not get gutted, slight aerial nerf and you guys act like you can’t kill people with it anymore🤣

[modest hedge]

Tbh all I want is for laser to laser people

[carmine panther]

His combos do not flow together like they used to

It's a pretty huge nerf

[hollow grove]

Bro is him bro

[modest hedge]

Feels like they took some momentum away from nair

[hollow grove]

Hes built differently

SOME he says

[modest hedge]

I don’t main this character, but he was fun to mess around with

[hollow grove]

You drop like a brick after using it

[carmine panther]

And you do

It's so unsatisfying

I've killed off stage with Nair before after the update

A couple times

But not nearly as much just because it's a bit harder to even get them to that point

Because he doesn't have that flow anymore

I'd rather them nerf his armor or something like that then what they did

[modest hedge]

Dumb question, but does laser only have hitboxes on his eyes and the ground?

[carmine panther]

Both

So up close to him it does hit

The beam only applies burny damage

[modest hedge]

Gotchu

[carmine panther]

And on the floor it traces the ground to hit them

(results may vary on that last one)

[modest hedge]

Ground hitbox does seem inconsistent

[carmine panther]

Haunted Mansion is the worst

Hate that map

[fading zealot]

they did

[modest hedge]

Yeah it doesn’t work at all on that map lmao

[carmine panther]

If it gets picked just know you can't use your heat vision to poke

And it's one of Supes' best poking tools

[harsh raptor]

You do, that’s why you dash attack? And then you can off stage. Them from there, literally been doing it since the update, they should fix lasers and supes is decent

[carmine panther]

You mean air dodge?

[harsh raptor]

Yh

[carmine panther]

Alright I'll try to explain what the fella means

Basically the fact they nerfed the aerial momentum on his attacks

Means to get the same results as before you'd have to wait a bit longer before you can actually throw out that Nair or that sair

Because the second you press that button you're plummeting

But it's also a catch 22 because if you take longer to press it

You can get punished

Hard

[fading zealot]

Should've just kept it as before.

[harsh raptor]

Yeh it’s harder to pull off, but you shouldn’t have trouble off staging people

[fading zealot]

The hell made them remove the mommentum anyway?

[harsh raptor]

Especially with constant air dodges

[carmine panther]

The thing that really makes me angry is the fact that every Superman main I know complained about his aerial up special not working

Several times it was reported on the bug site

[harsh raptor]

Fix lasers aswell smh

[carmine panther]

One of the big ones actually expired without getting noticed

And they didn't absolutely nothing

[harsh raptor]

Goes through these players smh

[carmine panther]

But they bug fix BLACK ADAM

[harsh raptor]

🤣🤣

[carmine panther]

AND MAKE HIS COMBOS FLOW BETTER

I was gonna buy the battle pass but I don't wanna support the devs financially if this is how they operate

It's just sad

[golden relic]

What about it doesnt work by the way? I've seen a lot complained about it but I wonder if its the same problem I have

sometimes it doesnt launch them

and they get launched right next to you

is that it?

or is there something else?

[carmine panther]

That's correct

[fading zealot]

And I just got my ass kicked by a very cocky, teabagging ass Black Adam before the patch.

now I gotta force to adapt to changes

[carmine panther]

They are the most toxic players

Every single time

But the thing is I want to know which game these devs are playing

I don't know ONE person who thinks Superman is better than Adam

[modest hedge]

I assume they’re catering to the low level players

[carmine panther]

Not one

[modest hedge]

Bc Superman’s armor makes him kind of a noob stomper

[carmine panther]

I've said this before I'd rather them nerf that

Then what they did

Reduce the armor frames or something idk

But to do this to his aerial game is just pathetic

[golden relic]

I'd have preferred losing the jab jab to down tilt

loop

then the aerial shmooviness

since his whole thing is being the character with aerial superiority

[verbal current]

I can NOT play against Finn.

Are there any tips on how to fight Finn?

[golden relic]

its usually 50/50 for me when I go against finns

[golden relic]

what are you having trouble with

[verbal current]

Being off-stage.

Up tilt, dash attack, jab, everything seems to catch me.

Even when i try to side special something always just seems to hit me.

[modest hedge]

Finn is just very annoying in general ngl

[keen abyss]

Nah, I’m going to need a dev to explain Superman to me. The math ain’t mathing.

#115, 3,805 wins, 11,535 ring outs and none of this makes sense to me.

I committed my life to Superman. I want an explanation.

[modest hedge]

It’s based on rank

Just grind rank

[keen abyss]

No, I’m talking about his broken kit. My point is that I play a lot of Superman and that ain’t helping me. lol

[weary prairie]

I think they just hate competitive players. or at least competitive superman players, every character has faster moves with better hitboxes its cooked

the devs have their faves and superman is not one of them

[fading zealot]

yep, i gathered that much

The only Superman nerf i agree with was the sniper punch. Man the unpatched perk could kill you under 50%

[verbal current]

Alright.

How the hell do i fight WW?

Like i just can't find a counter to her.

[harsh raptor]

Try go for lasers a lot, also WW usually are offensive so try and punish their whiffs

With dash attacks etc

[verbal current]

Isn't laser like, notoriously broken and unusable 80% of the time?

Dash attack though, yes i need to use it more often.

[harsh raptor]

Doesn’t work sometimes yeh correct , but it’s still useful and works well most of the time tbh

If ur using superman without laser, u are nerfing urself

[verbal current]

I mostly use laser as a tool to deter people from up-tilting when i'm falling.

[harsh raptor]

Use laser into air grab

So good

[verbal current]

I sometimes hit laser into up air at higher percents.

[harsh raptor]

Yeh I find grab easier but yh

Watch g3 twitch when he streams, he’s a very good supe

I learnt from him

[verbal current]

He's #1 on the 1v1 leaderboards rn, yeah?

[keen abyss]

#108 last time I checked. Go to your character page.

[keen abyss]

Laser still forces a reaction that you can punish. Even though it doesn’t work 100% of the time, no one is just going to sit there.

[indigo trail]

I'm sure they most anti-armor much as joker and bugs

[keen abyss]

Are people plugging in rank? Twice in a row I lost because they get the connection symbol and I walked off the map to my death multiple times. They were fine and I lost.

[keen abyss]

Air laser

[prisma stone]

I havent had anything like that but ive defo had a few pluggers

[summer ridge]

Wait Superman has jab 1 -> dair loops?

Since when?

[prisma stone]

Hes had them since launch lol

[weary prairie]

Does it only work if you catch people airborne with jab 1?

[prisma stone]

on average/tall characters yeah

Smaller fellas are sometimes a bit awkward depending on how high you catch them

[weary prairie]

Damn, today I learned, I'd been sneaking a jab1 -> dair into jab jab dtilt loops but I'm gonna give the dair loops a whirl

[prisma stone]

I think its definitely more valuable now that you cant just princess carry people to a blastzone anymore

[keen abyss]

What the hell happened to the net code?

A lot more game freezes today

Got a ranked penalty smh can’t play

[prisma stone]

Catching stray matchmaking penalties off nothing is genuinely tragic

[carmine panther]

So you've experienced them more this update too?

It's so aggravating

Like we're being punished for this game's bad online

[prisma stone]

Only since this update lol

[carmine panther]

Thank you brother

This update is cheeks

[prisma stone]

Was not helping my superman climb in the slightest

[carmine panther]

Oh see you're better than me

I refused to touch Ranked in this condition

Walking off ledges and game freezing will do that to a mf

[prisma stone]

I havent had that affect me too bad

[carmine panther]

That's good

[prisma stone]

And honestly like if yer gonna climb with superman good luck, i couldnt do it as he is

Or like even if he didnt get shot this patch, its all his worst matchups

[carmine panther]

That's absolutely dreadful

This game got me going through all the other Superman games because this ain't it😭

[prisma stone]

This musta been what them DK players felt all those years back 😭

[carmine panther]

I think it is😭

[sudden geyser]

No more supermid

I'm on agent smith

(I'm lying, playing rivals rn)

[carmine panther]

Stinkerman

[carmine panther]

overall I think that's probably the worst part of all this

rarely do I lose over the new nerfs

he just feels significantly less fun

[harsh raptor]

Superman can still compete , just when you go against Arya or Finn you will see he is not on there level🤣

U can still get high rank with supes if u play him right

[verbal current]

I've been getting better at fighting Jacks. Most of them are very predictable.

Although there are 2 matchups i am TERRIBLE at.

Joker and WW. Jesus.

[prisma stone]

Yeah and you can make hot sauce with plastic gloves literally why would anyone reasonably deal with this 😭

[keen abyss]

Just I just made it to Gold 4, but it’s grindy as hell

[keen abyss]

I legit had to change the way I play.

[harsh raptor]

I mean I’m #5 superman (well I was before I logged off) and diamond 2, only struggle against Arya , finn, joker and sometimes Batman

So basically the top tier 1v1 charas