Shaggy

[frozen geyser]

I think Taz sandwich charge time might’ve been a bit over nerfed tbh

Probably should increase it to 2 seconds

[dusty walrus]

Worst part is that they’re mainly appealing to low level players, so they’re gonna end up nerfing things that are just skill issues

[frozen geyser]

Yeah like the Stripe gun cancel removal was totally unjustified

It was cool tech and they removed it for no reason

Stripe wasn’t even a top 10 character or anything

[dusty walrus]

Yeah it was a really weird decision

[frozen geyser]

Now he’s a mid or low tier because that vastly hurts his combo game

It’s like the equivalent of when they removed Shaggy jab nair loops by making nair negative on hit at low percents

[dusty walrus]

Yeah that was so dumb 😭

[frozen geyser]

I still don’t agree with the utilt hitstun nerf

The damage and knockback reduction to air up b is good enough

[dusty walrus]

Yeah

[frozen geyser]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Nerf kill power and buff combo ability

If I wanted to play big hit kill early no combos character, I’d play Jason

Shaggy’s best combo currently is jab 1,2 -> dtilt 1,2

And that’s sad

[dusty walrus]

Sandwich -> sair is like my favorite fake combo

Catches people sleeping

[dusk geyser]

Sandwich is generally a good vibe check

[merry kiln]

the lag is genuinely annoying when I play projectile characters or arya

[frozen geyser]

Sandwich throw down into sair or kick is true at ledge and is very useful against ledge campers

[dusk geyser]

Question about DI.

Can I input buffer DI when I'm getting hit mid combo? or does the input need to be the moment I see the smoke trails?

[supple trench]

Imagine down special spamming but it didn't delay attack or something

I'm sure they nerfed the sandwich perk they are make it longer a bit

[dusty walrus]

I meant like sandwich throw halfway across the stage -> sair

But this is useful to know

[willow beacon]

Just ass pulled against a finn, great af feeling

[frozen geyser]

Dude what’s with this lag? I’m getting extreme lag spikes and just watching my character walk into the blast zone

Never happened before this update

[willow beacon]

Just happened to me as well, have no clue why but sure hope they fix it as soon as possible

[frozen geyser]

Idk man I’m trying to grind out to master rank, but this lag is gonna make me stop playing

This is unplayable

If I lose another 2 stocks from random lag, I’m not gonna play

This time it happened to both me and my opponent

[frozen geyser]

Ok it definitely feels random the amount of RP you get

If I lose barely, I’m losing 12 but if I win I’m winning 8

But then I’ll also win 13

And then sometimes I’ll only lose like 4

[frozen geyser]

Alright, platinum 3

I’m done

[wicked needle]

how come all my shaggy teamates just run away charge and spam sandwitches while I GET JUMPED? every one of them

Yall realize that he can box right

[frozen geyser]

Unfortunately a lot of people don’t know how to play for the team

Better to group up with a dedicated partner rather than rely on randoms

[wicked needle]

they all playing marvel rivals

[frozen geyser]

I mean, with the server issues that have been happening today, I don’t blame them (I know they’re probably just not interested in Multiversus)

[merry kiln]

#clips message

[frozen geyser]

I agree with the matchup chart except I think Jason is more like +1 debatably +2 for Shaggy and Joker is -1

And for the tier list, Joker is still definitely top 5 and his nerfs did nothing for his combo game because he can still loop dair into air down special. The only notable nerf is the 6 extra whiff lag frames of jab 1 but it has so much range that it’s still either the best or second best jab in the game

And I don’t think Shaggy is that weak

[merry kiln]

he's not weak he's just not as good as the rest of the characters

[frozen geyser]

I’d definitely put him above Harley and Rick for sure

But is that list missing characters?

I don’t see Banana Guard or T&J

Or Smith or Jack

[merry kiln]

for some reason yeah

[merry kiln]

it's not in order

[merry kiln]

people are still SD'ng twice and asking me to do the same

play the game?

[frozen geyser]

I mean there’s really bad server issues where people are just having their last previous input held for like 5 seconds which 99% of the time ends with them walking off stage

[merry kiln]

no they literally do it on purpose and jab towards the blast zone telling me to do the same

I've had like 5 people do it so far

I did what they wanted in the first two but I'm not gonna keep doing that

[frozen geyser]

Oh that’s strange

I’ve never had that happen

[bleak roost]

they also could be pretending

these damn servers bro 😭

[compact copper]

Why did we get no Shaggy skins in the Battle Pass or In the Medal Shop Atleast 🤦🏽‍♂️

@dull scarab

[merry kiln]

it's ok because we got the amazing matrix skin

[compact copper]

That’s weak

[merry kiln]

ok what is going on? my inputs started having a panic attack and nothing works?

also I'm losing 10 per loss and gaining 2 per win

#clips message really?

oh no they really want me gone

[frozen geyser]

Yeah a lot of people are experiencing this myself included

[merry kiln]

just got a new one

I couldn't move

[frozen geyser]

Yes

That happens to me as well

Usually it just holds the last input I’ve been holding for like 5 seconds and the game receives no more inputs from me

If I’m not holding a direction, I’m just stuck standing there and the game won’t recognize my inputs

Depends on when the server decides to sh*t the bed

[merry kiln]

the entire 3 stocks I couldn't move since the start

[frozen geyser]

Oh that one hasn’t happened to me but it has happened to other people I’ve seen

[merry kiln]

also I might've found a new shaggy tech but I need matches to work to actually test it out

[frozen geyser]

Ranked is literally just praying the game accepts your inputs and you’re not forced to basically auto lose because the server crapped out

I really hope they get on top of the issues because a lot of games are literally unplayable

[merry kiln]

IT JUST HAPPENED AGAIN

[frozen geyser]

Happens to about 40% of my games or more

[merry kiln]

I got a clip this time, I had to open xbox game bar mid match

[frozen geyser]

Are you on Xbox or PC?

[merry kiln]

pc

laptop

#clips message

[frozen geyser]

Alright yeah I’ve been having similar issues also on my laptop (I don’t have a desktop)

[frozen geyser]

Oh that’s wack

[merry kiln]

I'm getting punished for trying to play the game

[frozen geyser]

My Xbox game bar doesn’t work, so I have to have OBS up and recording

It just records black screen with audio

[frozen geyser]

I lost at least 50 points yesterday from server issues

[merry kiln]

my nvidia shadow play doesn't work anymore bc I was using a monitor back home and it acts like my normal laptop screen doesn't exist

[frozen geyser]

And I only played for a few hours to go from gold 3 to plat 3

[merry kiln]

game bar gives me input delay so I barely have it on

[merry kiln]

I actually think I'm around that as well

[frozen geyser]

It’s frustrating because I should definitely be plat 1 at this point

That 50+ RP loss should be more like a 70+ RP gain meaning I’m down probably close to 120 RP from games I should’ve won

[glad marten]

Dw Hoagie, at least you're not infinitely stuck in plat 5 because your losses lose you more than your wins gain

[frozen geyser]

Yeah, that still happened

But it was random

I lost 12, then gained 8, then lost 11, then gained 13

It makes no sense

And we can’t see opponent’s ranks until the match is over

[merry kiln]

sometimes you can't see it at all unless you visit their profile

[glad marten]

Well up until now everything gave me 15 and everything lost me 5 but now it's reversed and it's just murdering me because I am GARBAGE at the game and fighting NOTHING but Finn and Morty

It's so painful

It's agonizing

I hate it

I hate this game

[frozen geyser]

I was one win away from plat 3 and then I got server issues and lost all 3 stocks with no control over my character. I lost 15 points and then the next game I won, I only got 7. I then lost the next game also due to server issues and lost another 12

[glad marten]

People like Bugzvii will tell you it's your internet

[frozen geyser]

It’s not because I’ve seen many people complain about it

It’s definitely the servers

[glad marten]

Yeah these servers are terrible rn

[frozen geyser]

Never had issues before yesterday

[glad marten]

It's probably just due to a spike in player count stressing the servers

[frozen geyser]

Oh easily

Ranked probably brought a lot of people back and the servers can’t handle it

[merry kiln]

funny you mention that because I think bugzvii was the only big streamer I've played that didn't blame their lag on me but their desktop

[glad marten]

At least he blames lag on himself ig

But it's still a server issue that everyone struggles with which will probably only be fixed by letting the player count drop a little

[frozen geyser]

Or for server maintenance

I’d totally be fine with the game going down for like 4 hours or so for server maintenance

If it fixes these issues

[merry kiln]

or if they add server options back

[glad marten]

Pretty sure your server auto adjusts based on your IP

[merry kiln]

that would be the case if I didn't go against everyone from everywhere at least twice

[glad marten]

I said your server auto adjusts based on your IP, doesn't mean matchmaking is good

[merry kiln]

I'm on 300 seconds for my first ffa queue

600

it cancelled my queue

[glad marten]

MultiVersus moment

Thank God I only have 4 dailies as opposed to the normal 5 or 6 and I don't need to play FFA 🙏

[merry kiln]

I have the weekly mission..

[frozen geyser]

Fun fact: your dailies don’t reset for the next day. I have like 4 or 5 FFA missions stacked up and can complete them all at the same time

They might reset at the end of the week but idk

It’s honestly better this way

[tardy summit]

they don’t

I had the same ffa missions for weeks in season 1

[frozen geyser]

Oh nice

That’s better because you can then just complete 3 games and get them all done in one day

[frigid smelt]

@frozen geyser ur so lucky wth

i was that stripe

[frozen geyser]

Oh haha yeah you’re Stripe is nice. Your combo game is good. It’s a shame Stripe was unjustifiably nerfed tho and I’m hoping PFG reverts the gun change. Best of luck in ranked

[frigid smelt]

Ight thanks

It was a good game

and you did very good on the first stock

but killing me at like 20 with a random side special bro 💀

[frozen geyser]

Yeah sometimes you just gotta let it rip

I think you might’ve been holding in and you would’ve lived if you were holding out. But like you weren’t expecting it because I saved rage for so long

[frigid smelt]

hmm i'm not too good with DI, i haven't experimented much with the game

I just do funny combos with stripe and watch him get nerfed every patch

[frozen geyser]

Yeah I get that

I haven’t specifically labbed anything, but I usually try different DI’s in game to see how to get out of combos easier

[frozen geyser]

Wait they changed power pledge and you don’t strictly need to level up characters for it now

Regular XP counts

Thank god because we’d eventually get to a point where you physically can’t complete the event

If it were kept the old way

[glad marten]

Yeah its way better this way

[willow beacon]

Is anyone else getting this desync exit match bs

[glad marten]

Still slow and grindy though

[glad marten]

Yup

Servers cant handle more than 5k players

[frozen geyser]

Wait are the servers dead?

I can’t matchmake

[dusk geyser]

Dropped from Plat 4 to Gold 1 because of desync issue causing you to run off ledge.

I implore people not to play ranked rn if you have experienced any DCing.

I am the most tilted I have ever been because I deranked due to desync.

[frozen geyser]

Yep that happened to me too

Hasn’t happened yet today because I’ve been lucky

[dusk geyser]

12+ straight games in a row.

Some of them SEEMED to be pretty stable.

But DAMN did it feel bad when you and your opponent are 2/2, you're in advantage state, about to take the win....

then your character runs off the ledge.
Almost broke my keyboard

[frozen geyser]

Alright starting to get server issues. I just lost my entire lead against a Gizmo up 3 stocks to 1

And then I lost

[merry kiln]

ouch..

[dusk geyser]

Definitely would beg others to hold off on ranked rn if you experience even the slightest lag.

unless you wanna derank like me 😔

[frozen geyser]

Man Reindog is not fun to play against

You just get camped out the entire game

[merry kiln]

if you scroll up a little you’ll see we’ve all had this happen to us

🫂

[dusty walrus]

Ong

So glad he’s rare

Just ran into Finn

Gonna cry for a bit

[frozen geyser]

Dude how do you beat Arya on Dexters?

[glad marten]

You switch to Jack because he's one of the only characters that doesn't rely on vertical kills

[dusty walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[frozen geyser]

Yeah…

It’s actually insane that Shaggy has practically nothing in the matchup and his staple jab combos just don’t work

PFG please buff Shaggy jab 2 hitbox

Alright well it’s probably time to call it. Platinum 1 and only 2 wins away from diamond 5

But it’s so unbelievably hot in my house I’m literally dying in here

[glad marten]

Plat 5 and getting out of it will kill me 💯

[merry kiln]

y’all should’ve speed ran it before they actually made it feel like ranked

[glad marten]

I should've now I'm losing a billion points on a loss and gaining nothing on a win

I've given up on the skin, I'll exclusively be using that battlepass skin anyways

[dusty walrus]

Myf

[merry kiln]

you still have the entire season but it’s probably going to feel a lot worse once they make it a best of three again

[frozen geyser]

True it definitely feels more like ranked

Still can’t figure out when you gain/lose more points

It seems random

The only trend I can say I’ve noticed (and maybe it’s just coincidence) is that you tend to gain more on a win streak and lose more on a loss streak

[merry kiln]

that can’t be true because I got 2 rp for 40 games straight with like little exceptions

and losses were at least 8 each

[frozen geyser]

Well, you’re also in masters

I’m not there yet

At least in platinum, I’ve noticed that win streaks tend to give you an extra 1-2 points on average from my experience and the same for loss streaks

But like it’s not super consistent and sometimes I win less or lose more

I’m very curious as to what goes into calculating how much you get

[kindred halo]

is shaggy good im a melee player who just started playing this yesterday

i heard he was good at least a couple patches ago but everyones getting gutted it seems

[frozen geyser]

He’s ok

[glad marten]

He's pretty strong

[frozen geyser]

Lower end of A tier

[glad marten]

He kills very early, can loop some larger characters, and deals a lot of damage with his specials

[frozen geyser]

He’s very good at lower levels of play, but he struggles against all of the top tiers

[frozen geyser]

It’s only Jack lmao

[glad marten]

Seriously?

He can loop Jack but not like

[kindred halo]

i really dont wanna play bugs lol all i have are him shaggy and ig basically

[glad marten]

Iron Giant?

[frozen geyser]

He can’t even loop IG due to the changes to the ground bounce mechanics

Everyone bounces higher

[glad marten]

Jack is even bigger combo food than IG that's ridiculous 😭🙏

[frozen geyser]

It’s only because Jack’s foot sticks really far down in his hurt animation

[glad marten]

Play whichever character you liked when you were little or whatever

[kindred halo]

nah im a mehcanics guy im from melee lol

[glad marten]

Watched a lot of Batman? Play him
Big fan of Adventure Time? Finn or Jake, maybe Banana Guard if you're weird like that

[frozen geyser]

A lot of characters in this game are fun. It’s just a matter of finding what kind of playstyle you like

[kindred halo]

word i just only have like 3 lol

but ty true tis fun

[glad marten]

You can test characters out in training

Find a kit you like and save for that character

[frozen geyser]

Every character in this game is very unique compared to a game like Smash Ultimate where half the roster plays the same

I’d recommend looking up a guide or two for a character that seems interesting and messing around with them in training mode since you can get a feel for each character before you buy them

[kindred halo]

ya from what ive seen this is very true

of mvs

i am aware and saddened by the sameness of ult

[frozen geyser]

I stopped playing Ult competitively 2 years ago because of how stale the meta is and how little interesting tech there is in the game

[kindred halo]

same except 4 years ago

[frozen geyser]

The whole meta is just zoners + Fox and Roy

It’s so lame

[kindred halo]

i tried optimizing young link in melee for those 4 years

really hoping i like mvs lol

[frozen geyser]

It’s fun

But I won’t lie when I say people online can be pretty toxic

[glad marten]

Finn has been meta since the beta, that ain't stale to you?

[kindred halo]

oh absolutely

[glad marten]

Can be? This gotta be among the most toxic games I've ever played

Anyone who wins immediately teabags and salts

[kindred halo]

very toxic but when i see the xbox or playstation logo next to their name i think theyre just like 8 years old or something

so its fine

the salt emoji is so good lol

[frozen geyser]

Overwatch, League, Call of Duty, etc

Way more toxic

[kindred halo]

bloons td battles 2 is the most toxic community ive ever uh "been a part of"

[frozen geyser]

People spam that emote so much

[kindred halo]

i love it

[glad marten]

I never played Overwatch or League and my brief experience with CoD wasn't THAT bad
Just an n word or 50

[frozen geyser]

Was Young Link the main character you played in Melee?

[frozen geyser]

Well, SBMM in CoD has killed the majority of the community aspect, but that’s a topic for another day

[kindred halo]

yeah and i had played melee since 2016 before then except for a year or 2 of ult

hes like ok i guess idk

but the fox mu is probably his (fox's) best matchups its really sad

[frozen geyser]

Hmm alright. If you’re looking for projectile characters, T&J probably has the highest skill ceiling, but Marvin is also good

[kindred halo]

he even beats yl in ultimate lol

[frozen geyser]

Shaggy is like Melee Luigi but without the insane wavedash

If you like sword characters, Finn and Wonder Woman are easily the best meta wise, but Jack is also good (granted you need to buy the battle pass to get him)

If you like traditional heavies like Ganon, Jason is this game’s Ganon

Iron Giant is what Ult Ridley should’ve been

If you’re more into playing characters that are faster with good neutral games, Batman, Arya, and Joker have some of the best

[kindred halo]

lol i got timed out my b

[frozen geyser]

If you want to strictly tier wh*re, then you can just learn Morty, Finn, etc

[kindred halo]

said bad word

[frozen geyser]

Yeah they do that here because like Smash, kids play this game

Even tho competitive is basically all grown adults lmao

[kindred halo]

yeah i remember hating finn from the beta not gonna stoop that low

all i have rn is banana guard, bugs, ig, jason, shaggy and ww

and im not buying any lol

[frozen geyser]

Banana Guard is the easiest to play but has the least depth

Iron Giant is low key still broken because he has a lot of insane combos that are slightly more technical and he has the ability to burst out of opponent’s combos and start his own

[jovial prairie]

Jake is like jigglypuff imo, in the past he was top 1/2 (depending on the time) and now it's like good but just that, good

[frozen geyser]

Jason is literally Ganondorf but MVS

[kindred halo]

ya i played a lot of ig today he seems really volatile ive hit a few 0deaths after watching a video

[frozen geyser]

Bugs is just simple generic good character

Shaggy is Luigi

[kindred halo]

honestly i love igs jab lol what a funny lookin thing also the slide cancel thing

[frozen geyser]

And WW is generic spacing sword character but with the benefit of lots of armor

[frozen geyser]

I almost died at zero at ledge to IG jab -> IAD nair -> sair

[kindred halo]

lmao

[frozen geyser]

For reference, IAD = instant aerial dodge and is where you dodge diagonally upwards from the ground

[kindred halo]

the video i saw he just carries people to the top with up b

yeah i saw that in another chat and looked it up ty tho

[frozen geyser]

And there is no bair, so sair is just side aerial

[kindred halo]

oh from the ground

interesting

[frozen geyser]

Yeah. It’s the fastest way to perform a low to the ground aerial

[kindred halo]

yeah yeah i played the beta tbh im not brand new

just like a couple days of projectile spamming w bugs and i stopped

but it seems really different now

[frozen geyser]

Think of it kinda like peach float allowing her to perform low aerials

[kindred halo]

oh is that how people did the shaggy loops too

ik it was patched but i tried it in training and couldnt get a low nair

[frozen geyser]

Yeah but they don’t work anymore. They removed them

[kindred halo]

yeah just the input

can you still nair jab tho

[frozen geyser]

They added 15 extra frames of delay when trying to cancel jab into a jump or dodge

[frozen geyser]

No

That’s the confirm they specifically targeted

[kindred halo]

oh oof

and also killed jab nair

[frozen geyser]

On DI out, you can get jab 1,2 -> dtilt -> dodge cancel jab for a mini loop

But you burn a lot of dodge meter

There’s also jab 1,2 -> reverse utilt -> uair

[kindred halo]

yeah half your whole bar for dodge cancel jab is crazy

hmm

[frozen geyser]

They wanted to limit people dodge spamming like in beta

Disadvantage in beta didn’t exist lmao

[kindred halo]

yeah lol i remember that

[frozen geyser]

You could just dodge jump away from everyone

[kindred halo]

i remember they even nerfed it during the beta and it was still good

[frozen geyser]

Yeah

[kindred halo]

aight well im gonna try my options

i appreciate the advice

[frozen geyser]

No problem

[kindred halo]

not sure if im truly a shaggy

[frozen geyser]

Yeah that’s fair. He’s definitely not for everyone

But I play a majority of the cast because a lot of characters are fun

[kindred halo]

ya fair

i just dont have a ton lol

[frozen geyser]

Yeah they’re unfortunately stingy with fighter currency

But thankfully some events give some like the power pledge one this weekend

Which is literally just level up characters

[kindred halo]

i kinda like a grind tbh

i dont love the plat fighter trend of giving you everyone instantly

[frozen geyser]

You should’ve seen the rift grind to get Agent Smith free

[kindred halo]

lol well

id prefer if it was like universal xp to unlock people i aint playing the rifts

[frozen geyser]

Totally fair

I spent the time to not only get Smith but also get the matrix skin for him for completing every difficulty for every rift

I’d say it was definitely worth it to get Smith free, but getting the matrix skin for him was such a pain because loony difficulty was insanely dumb

[frozen geyser]

I will say you do get like 5 or 10 fighter currency for clearing each stage in rifts, so it does add up but like a lot of people toast you in ranked from my experience and people toasting you gives you 5

[kindred halo]

sorry i was losing to a jack

[frozen geyser]

You’re good

[kindred halo]

yoooo you get fighter currency from toasts thats sick lol

[frozen geyser]

Jack is definitely a rough character to fight. He doesn’t have too many long combos, but his range is insane and his edgeguarding is easily the best in the game

[frozen geyser]

Yeah. I usually toast if people accept a BO3

[kindred halo]

the thing thats probably side b is actually busted tho

[frozen geyser]

Unfortunately there’s a lot of one-and-dones

[frozen geyser]

It’s so good and has much more range than you’d expect

[kindred halo]

hmmm interesting

its punishable enough but by the ledge theres like nothing you can do lol

[frozen geyser]

I don’t like how they limit you on how many toasts you can do based on an inventory

It should just be unlimited

[kindred halo]

oh i thought it was unlimited that sux

[frozen geyser]

Nah there’s a total you can see at the top right of the screen after a match ends

There’s probably another place to see the total but idk where

[kindred halo]

oh i mustve missed it

[frozen geyser]

You get 5 per day for logging in and there’s always a “play 3 FFA games” for another 10

Oh and there’s always a free item of the day in the store that they added 2 patches ago

[kindred halo]

thats p nice

[frozen geyser]

It’s usually just rift gems or perk currency, but sometimes it’s fighter currency, toasts, or even gleamium

[kindred halo]

oh sick

better than i thought itd be

[frozen geyser]

Yeah. And you can get the same for the “infinite tier” when you fully complete the battle pass and continue to get XP and when you reach level 15 with a character

[kindred halo]

ohhh i was wondering what the l15 thing was

[frozen geyser]

Yeah. If you level a character past 15, you just get random rewards

I’m level 15 with Shaggy and almost have the infinite tier completed. When it’s completed, it just resets so you can get more rewards

[kindred halo]

ohh i see

thats sick

[willow beacon]

I keep anticipating new patches, yet really afraid that I'll open them and just see - symbols below Shaggy's name lol...that kept happening in beta, they were nerfing him every patch, let my boi have some combos

[merry kiln]

my entire game is broken because I turned on post processing, now I can't see anything but a black screen

[frozen geyser]

Alright, made it to diamond 5

So I can at least get the diamond Jack skin if I can’t make it to master rank

6 RP per win in diamond

Ran into a masters 1 IG

Man idk IG might still be top 5

[merry kiln]

spam side kick when they whiff, that's all it takes to beat any IG

side kick down air knee

[frozen geyser]

Counter point: kick loses to up b angled down

[merry kiln]

they whiff right after it

I just had the connection stopping for a bit bug happen to me

[frozen geyser]

I mean dude was also masters 1 so he’s probably just better than me

Tho if you are masters 1, idk why you’re still playing ranked

Yeah idk if I’m gonna make it to masters. Everyone’s playing top tiers

[merry kiln]

was it septrefnn?

[frozen geyser]

Idk who

[frozen geyser]

Yeah it was

IG on Dexters

I don’t think I had even a glimmer of a chance lmao

[merry kiln]

I just won beat them 3-1 not so long ago

but how can I queue into them but not you?

[frozen geyser]

I just hit diamond this morning

And it seems like you can only match with people that are +/- 1 tier away from yours

[merry kiln]

that is not true because I just played someone in gold

[frozen geyser]

Oh that’s strange then

[merry kiln]

someone in bronze just now

[frozen geyser]

Yeah that’s never happened to me

I didn’t see master rank people until just now

And I haven’t seen silver since I hit platinum

Guess it’s probably because there’s more people in the US

[merry kiln]

it sometimes just doesn’t show their rank, so you probably did

[frozen geyser]

I mean, it’s possible yeah

[frozen geyser]

Wow I decided to play a bit of unranked and my god there’s so many new players I kinda feel bad

[frozen geyser]

Do we think they’re gonna add anything else to the medal shop this season?

Baseball Finn and Fencer Arya are cool and all, but where’s the Shaggy skins?

[merry kiln]

why are they in the medal shop if they don’t cost medals?

I got 200 gleamium with my medals

[frozen geyser]

I think you need to own the character first

I own Lebron and Marvin and can get their skins but I don’t own Arya or Finn

Unless that just doesn’t happens to be a coincidence

I’m considering buying Finn because I’m sick of people just one-trick zero to deathing me

Wait wtf they removed the ability to purchase Finn and Arya with fighter currency

That’s actually such bs

[merry kiln]

I have everyone

[frozen geyser]

Oh nvm then

But that’s dumb I literally can’t buy Finn with fighter currency

I’m forced to use either gleamium or a medal for the rest of the season

[tardy summit]

wait wha

that’s so stupid

[frozen geyser]

Bro why is my teammate SD’ing intentionally while we’re slightly down in 2v2 ranked

God I hate people

Some dude has 20,000 wins with Joker. Looks like someone did the AFK rift gem farm method

[glad marten]

Go to the store and then the fighter shop

It's a bug I've seen a few people talking about already where buying characters from the fighters menu only gives the option to use gleamium

[frozen geyser]

Oh that works. I forgot about the fighter shop because I’ve always bought from the fighters tab

[dusty walrus]

Hoagieland has joined them…

[frozen geyser]

Not yet

I’m grinding 2v2 ranked with Shaggy

I’m rank 31 in 1v1 with Shaggy

[dusty walrus]

Okkk

I see you

We got two top 50 Shaggys in here

I’ll probably grind to gold tonight

[dusk geyser]

6 rp and -15 on loss is crazy

[merry kiln]

you need a 70% win rate and you'll be good

[merry kiln]

just had a bugs with 7,000 wins implode after comboing me to 70

[frozen geyser]

Yeah my win rate is only 60% rn in diamond so it’s definitely harder to climb

[dusty walrus]

I really just got cooked by zyquill the Shaggy player

Bro was moving

[frozen geyser]

Bro they gotta fix the lag on Xbox. It’s definitely better but my teammate is still starting the match essentially afk as he waits to load in

[deft viper]

can someone on xbox confirm that there s still the lag issue like the character stopping moving?

my mate is complaining he cant move

[frozen geyser]

It’s happening to my teammate too so yeah

[deft viper]

okay so i can stop saying his xbox is trash

[frozen geyser]

Yeah it's not just his Xbox it's all Xbox's

[frozen geyser]

Have there been any new Shaggy combo route discoveries?

Outside of the staple confirms

[dusty walrus]

I’ve been doing jab 1,2 -> dtilt -> dash attack -> dodge cancel up tilt, but that’s not really “new”

A Shaggy player last night hit me with nair -> up b, but I think I just wasn’t DI-ing correctly

[frozen geyser]

It’s usually nair -> sair

[dusty walrus]

Yeah

[frozen geyser]

Is the dodge cancel utilt true or is it based on a read?

The main combos off of jab I’ve been using are:

1. Jab 1,2 -> reverse utilt -> uair
2. Jab 1,2 -> dtilt 1,2
3. Jab 1,2 -> up b
4. Jab 1,2 -> reverse utilt -> up b (only works around the 75-85 range against mid weights)

Against DI out specifically, I’ll go for jab 1,2 -> dtilt -> dodge jab 1,2 -> reverse utilt -> uair

And the only other confirm I’ve used is on DI in at ledge at around 90: jab 1,2 -> dtilt -> sair

I haven’t experimented with any IAD setups yet

[merry kiln]

reverse up tilt up b works anywhere from zero to 90 or 100+ against heavier characters

[frozen geyser]

It works at zero?

People always seem to dodge at low percents

Or is it jab 1,2 -> reverse utilt -> grounded up b?

[merry kiln]

I think so

not neceassirly exactly zero

[merry kiln]

that works very rarely but it does

you have to read and hope they're di'ing the way you're gonna do it

[frozen geyser]

I imagine that would work against characters like Jason or IG

[merry kiln]

it can work on anyone but they have to di bad

[frozen geyser]

I mean consistently

But yeah I see what you mean

It’s probably not even worth it because there’s better routes for IG anyway

[merry kiln]

for IG all you have to do is space, throw sandwiches, wait for them to whiff to side kick

side kick contests IG's up special

and if they're approaching with nair or up special on the ground you can hold your neutral ground and make use of it for once

and whenever they're far away you get a free charge because they nearly never have enough time to get to you

[frozen geyser]

I feel like that’s relevant except for Dexters

IG literally covers the entirely of Dexters with up special

[dusty walrus]

Haven’t really tested it, but it’s worked on pretty much everyone at like mid percents. I think it’s bc dash attack bounces them off the ground sometimes, and since teching doesn’t exist in this game, it lets you get a follow up

[frozen geyser]

Oh I see. It’s one of those combos

[dusty walrus]

Yeah lmao

[frozen geyser]

Jack gets combo extensions of of jab 1,2 -> dtilt if you don’t DI up because you ground bounce and get gets a guaranteed dodge jab

[dusty walrus]

I love no teching (when it benefits me)

[frozen geyser]

No teching in this game is a W

Many more cool combos and extensions result from it

[dusty walrus]

I’m so used to Smash that sometimes I’ll sit on the wall and wait for them to spike me so I can tech and recover only to be reminded that I can’t do that lmao

[frozen geyser]

There’s a lot of DI check ground bounce combo extensions

[dusty walrus]

Yeah

It’s pretty cool

[frozen geyser]

And wall combos are sick

[dusty walrus]

True

[merry kiln]

-15 and banned from matchmaking for 10 minutes because the game disconnected

[frozen geyser]

Incredible

Well, my internet died. Guess no more ranked for today

I wanted to reach platinum today since I’m at gold 1 in 2v2, but I’ll have to wait

[merry kiln]

last stock both on 100+ against a batman and game lags out the way you said it does

actually amazing

[glad marten]

Simply an issue pertaining to ones skill

[frozen geyser]

Internet is back and unfortunately my teammates suck, so I’ve now been demoted because no one in gold knows how to play for the team

Opponent WW just teleported into the blast zone and we won lmao

[frozen geyser]

Well, I have officially run out of toast

And not a chance am I spending gleamium on it

They should just make it unlimited

[dusty walrus]

What does toast do

[glad marten]

GIves the toast receiver a whopping 5 fighter currency

[frozen geyser]

Finally reached platinum in 2v2 with only randoms

Dude this is insane

Randoms suck so badly

And then you go against a stack of TTV pairs who are clearly partying and you just have no chance

[frozen geyser]

God please remove Cromulons and Dexters from ranked

I hate those stages

Or at least make Dexters 2x wide and the top blast zone for Cromulons slightly higher

[delicate latch]

Shaggy needs a nerf he does too much dmg man

[frozen geyser]

They already nerfed him

He’s fine

[delicate latch]

When??

[frozen geyser]

Go bother actual top tiers like Finn, Morty, Wonder Woman, Joker, or Arya

[delicate latch]

Never lol

[frozen geyser]

His cheesy kill at 60 confirm was removed

He can’t cancel jab into jump or dodge anymore

Aerial up special kill power was drastically reduced

Hangry Man near instant charge was nerfed to be almost as long as base charge time

[delicate latch]

The problem is: i am loosing to the same shaggy player over and over bcs shaggy is just too insane, i always cook him but if he does the charged side kick that does 22 dmg and has armor and catch me in a combo i am already at 45, at 100 he can already kill me like wtf lol

[frozen geyser]

Ok let him have one good tool

Without rage, Shaggy would be low tier

He can’t deal with projectiles and he has no range

[delicate latch]

Good tool? Good tool??????? Man ur saying that a super long range, super fast, armor and hig dmg move is fair pls dont lie to me

He can have rage but dont make it kill at 60 lol

[frozen geyser]

Do you get mad at Jason for killing your with aerial up special at 50 when half the cast just bullies him to the point where he can’t approach?

[frozen geyser]

Ok who do you play? I’ll wait to hear the downplay

[delicate latch]

Yeah but Jason is a tank and slow

[frozen geyser]

I swear if you actually say you play Morty

[delicate latch]

Yeah i do

[frozen geyser]

Bro Shaggy vs Morty is a 30:70 matchup for Shaggy

[delicate latch]

I do like 130 dmg to him but nahh kill me at 90

[frozen geyser]

You kill with laser dirt uair at 80

Explain how that’s fair

[delicate latch]

U dont understand me i get him good, but if he hits me i am done the dmg is insane

[frozen geyser]

Grenade kills at 50

Don’t come here complaining about Shaggy rage kick when you have equally bs moves

[delicate latch]

At least its hard to hit not like side kick charged lol

[frozen geyser]

Shaggy needs to actually charge to get it

Just don’t let him

He needs a full 4 seconds uninterrupted

[delicate latch]

The perk

[frozen geyser]

Useless

[delicate latch]

That stupid perk

[frozen geyser]

3 seconds instead of 4

And he has to pull a sandwich first which is another 3 seconds

[delicate latch]

That he gets rewarded for getting cooked??

[delicate latch]

Not this one dum dum

[frozen geyser]

Oh One Last Zoinks?

Kill him before 100

Just fish for dirt uair

[delicate latch]

If he has last stand + Last Zoinks im done

[frozen geyser]

It’s free

[delicate latch]

Oh yeah just kill him 😭

[glad marten]

Morty main

[frozen geyser]

Literally just stop tacking on little bits of damage to give him free rage

Just finish the job

Dirt uair kills on every stage but Dexters at 80

[delicate latch]

Dude i cant just stop attacking him he can just do his jab jab up special and kill at 80

[frozen geyser]

*100

[delicate latch]

At 100

Depends the character

[delicate latch]

Oh wow changed a lot

[frozen geyser]

Shaggy isn’t tank weight

He’s heavier but 2x weaken Morty uair doesn’t care

[glad marten]

Ehh... you could make the argument that he is (weight is equal to WW, but that would also mean Reindog, Joker, Smith, etc. are tank weight)

[frozen geyser]

Like legitimately my tips are just play more patient and stop trying to tack on little hits here and there when Shaggy is above 80

You can react to basically every Shaggy approach option if you actually train your reaction time

Just throw a dirt at him and hold it and wait for a panic dodge

[delicate latch]

Ok but u do agree that he needs a nerf on some stuff right?

[frozen geyser]

No

I’d rather other lower tiered characters get buffed to Shaggy’s level

[delicate latch]

Man are u really downplaying that bad

[frozen geyser]

No I just don’t want every character to get nerfed and then this game sucks

[delicate latch]

His side kick charged should get nerfed are u playing stupid

[frozen geyser]

Shaggy got his already

[frozen geyser]

Stop being predictable and react to the startup animation

[delicate latch]

No he did not they were just making him less op the nerfs didnt change almost nothing

[frozen geyser]

Dude you have no idea what you’re talking about

[pine iris]

shaggy is still a neutral-dominating menace and he still is in desperate need of nerfs

[frozen geyser]

They removed a guaranteed kill confirm off of jab at 60 which I agree was stupid OP

That was a huge nerf

And a justified one too

[pine iris]

one move doing 28 in one hit and another confirming for 31 is a little bit insane

[delicate latch]

Huge nerf???????

That was a god damn balance

They are making the game fair and u think thats enough

Thats not even a nerf lol

[frozen geyser]

He needs some sauce

Let him have something

[pine iris]

before you say "just jump over the charged side b!!!!!!" its fast enough to be used as a whiff punish

[pine iris]

he has too much fym

[delicate latch]

Some dmg nerf

[frozen geyser]

Yes that’s the point

[pine iris]

it shouldnt be

[frozen geyser]

Ok sure nerf Shaggy rage kick and now it doesn’t kill until 100

[pine iris]

youre basically guaranteed to land it if youre not the dumbest player on earth

[pine iris]

it shouldnt do 28 damage in one hit and it shouldnt kill till at least 110 are you serious???

[frozen geyser]

Not he sucks because his only good whiff punish option for dealing with projectile characters is weak

[delicate latch]

Shaggy should kill at 120 to justify hid dmg

[delicate latch]

U saying shaggy sucks

🤦‍♂️

[frozen geyser]

Dude the majority of the cast kills at 100 or below. Do you understand how bad that is?

Legitimately you have no idea what you’re talking about

[pine iris]

he has arguably the strongest neutral in the game, hits like a truck and kills at 80 half the time and youre saying he needs buffs??

[frozen geyser]

Rick is a bad character because he can’t kill until like 130-140

[frozen geyser]

Cap

[delicate latch]

Lol

[frozen geyser]

His neutral sucks

[delicate latch]

Stop downplaying

[pine iris]

oh so youre just a bad player

[delicate latch]

I know ur scared he gets nerfed

[frozen geyser]

He has no range and a bad projectile

[pine iris]

literally no one says his neutral sucks unless theyre just bad at the character

[frozen geyser]

Currently rank 36 try again

[delicate latch]

Oh wow rank 36 shaggy

So much skill

[pine iris]

thats sooo impressive man good job

[frozen geyser]

And what are you? Rank 140 Morty?

[pine iris]

top 10 garnet btw

[frozen geyser]

Cool idc

[delicate latch]

Top 64

[frozen geyser]

No one plays Garnet

[delicate latch]

Have u ever played other character than Shaggy

[frozen geyser]

Yes

[pine iris]

it takes actual skill to gain rp as garnet, thats why even the top garnets are barely in Masters because shes just that hard to win as

[frozen geyser]

I play the majority of the cast

[delicate latch]

Cap??

Pretty sure u mainly play Shaggy

[frozen geyser]

In ranked currently yeah

[glad marten]

There's no way you don't think Shaggy's kill power should be nerfed in exchange for some combo buffs

[pine iris]

garnet is just a bad character, Shaggy is top 5 and youre saying hes in need of buffs??

[frozen geyser]

But I’m just trying to reach master rank with Shaggy and then it’s time to move onto other characters

[delicate latch]

Yeah even the Shaggy guy is on our side

[frozen geyser]

You’re delusional if you think he’s top 5

[pine iris]

if you cant reach masters as shaggy you just suck

[glad marten]

I don't play Shaggy, unfortunately

I will never play him again

Not the way he is now

He's awful to play

[delicate latch]

Yeah cuz his top 4 😂😂😂

[glad marten]

unenjoyable

[frozen geyser]

Wonder Woman, Joker, Morty, Arya, Finn all easily better

[pine iris]

wonder woman isnt

[frozen geyser]

Iron Giant is also better

[glad marten]

Yeah he's not top 5 at all

[frozen geyser]

Black Adam is better

Batman is better

[glad marten]

Joker, Morty, Arya, Finn, Iron Giant, WW, BA, maybe Batman, and lets throw Velma in for good measure so I can get her nerfed

They're all better than Shaggy

[delicate latch]

Its just sad to see u that scared for his nerfs

[frozen geyser]

Just because Shaggy has a winning matchup against Garnet because Garnet kinda sucks and needs some buffs doesn’t mean Shaggy is top 5

[pine iris]

joker, arya, and gizmo are the only characters i can confidently say are better than shaggy

[frozen geyser]

Gut Shaggy for all I care

I’ll still play him

You could make Shaggy bottom 1 and I’d still play him

I legitimately don’t care

[delicate latch]

Oh yeah if he doesnt kill at 90 lol

[frozen geyser]

Whatever

I’ll just work harder

[frozen geyser]

Finn not better is insane considering he has a guaranteed zero to death off of jab against nearly the entire cast

[delicate latch]

Maybe if he could only kill at 120-140 i would think his fair

[pine iris]

yeah thats why youre riding his meat so hard

[frozen geyser]

Y’all just want to come in here and complain about Shaggy rage kick being a good move because you just want to complain

And I’m not disagreeing. It is a very good move

[delicate latch]

Because it IS unfair lol

His other stuff are also unfair

[pine iris]

remove the armor on it

[delicate latch]

Yeaj

[pine iris]

remove armor on all of his rage moves

and make it so that if he gets hit out he loses rage

[frozen geyser]

Ok so now he instantly loses every projectile character matchup even harder. Great balancing

[pine iris]

then he might be balanced

[delicate latch]

His one last zoinks perk should have a rework or smth

Cuz its too crazy

[frozen geyser]

One Last Zoinks sucks and every good Shaggy uses 5% after Hangry Man got nerfed

[pine iris]

the number of times ive gotten a shaggy to 140 then died to a stray side b at 80 is insane

[frozen geyser]

It’s only useful in certain matchups

[pine iris]

"one last zoinks sucks" no it really doesnt, it gives shaggy way more value than most characters get out of their primary perks

[delicate latch]

I cook Shaggys just so they kill me out of 1 combo

[pine iris]

youre actually delusional if you think one last zoinks is bad

[frozen geyser]

It’s bad in most matchups

[pine iris]

no it really isnt

[frozen geyser]

If you’re not killing Shaggy below 100%, then sure he gets use out of it

[delicate latch]

Its not bad in general u really get thr chance to do 23 dmg + knockback at a hig %

[frozen geyser]

But so many characters have confirms at 90 or below

[delicate latch]

Thats not how stuff work 😭🤦‍♂️

"If u not kill Shaggy below 100%" dude wdym

[frozen geyser]

That’s exactly how it works

You kill Shaggy below 100 and the perk is useless

Garnet I can see struggling to kill under 100

But Morty no chance

[frozen geyser]

Also, I see you go and complain in other character channels. Like dude just stop. No one wants to hear your complaints about x character having y move that’s too OP and needs a nerf immediately. You don’t see me going into Morty chat to complain about how awful every Morty is to fight because he’s nearly unapproachable between dirt, grenades, snakes, and his insane dodge distance

[delicate latch]

I am Just going to give up all u do is cry abt how shaggy is bad and bla bla

Downplaying

[frozen geyser]

I’m not asking for Shaggy buffs

[delicate latch]

Every time

[frozen geyser]

He’s fine as is

Buff the lower tiered characters first

Then nerf the characters that are over performing

If Shaggy is overperforming then sure need him whatever

[delicate latch]

No man ur right thry should make Shaggy kill at 50

One last zoinks should work at 10 too

Buff all of his moves

[frozen geyser]

But like you’re going into several character channels to complain about other characters when you play a top 3 character

You can nerf Shaggy to the ground when Velma is a real character

[delicate latch]

Ok so u want me to dont say anything abt the game i play just bcs i play Morty

[frozen geyser]

I’ll wait but that might not happen for another year

[frozen geyser]

No I want you to stop complaining

[delicate latch]

No lol

[frozen geyser]

Talk about the game and if you’re struggling, ask how to beat a specific character and mention you’re having a difficult time with x option

[delicate latch]

What u gonna do abt it?

[frozen geyser]

No one is going to help you get better if you only complain

[delicate latch]

They should buff Shaggy i already told u

[frozen geyser]

You’re just gonna get “skill issue” as a response

[delicate latch]

Make him kill at 20 or smth

[frozen geyser]

No they shouldn’t

Don’t buff Shaggy

But don’t nerf him either

[delicate latch]

Oh wait i forgot i main Morty nvm i guess i cant talk

[frozen geyser]

Buff other low tiers to his level

[pine iris]

honestly shaggy should kill at 0

[glad marten]

So true Jack should get side b buffs

[pine iris]

hes so weak rn

[frozen geyser]

Alright, I’ve had enough of this

[pine iris]

shaggy side b is so weak man

[frozen geyser]

You guys clearly just want to complain and try to troll

[pine iris]

the perk is useless because the move is so bad pls buff this character 😭

[pine iris]

you just suck and are carried by your character sorry ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frozen geyser]

Ok

[delicate latch]

Poor Shaggy people

😭

Sorry man i cant understand how they make a character that kills only at 90 like wtf why so hig

[pine iris]

it hurts my hands to try to fight any longer 😭

[willow beacon]

Bro unironically said the Shagster has dominating neutral 💀

Hoagie, don't try to reason with them, let them be

[glad marten]

Explain how his neutral is bad against anyone but zoners and top tiers who are always in advantage

[willow beacon]

So half the cast

[glad marten]

No lmao

Like 6 or 7 characters

Shaggy is a high tier character

High damage, fast, heavy, some of the highest kill power in the game

[willow beacon]

Most of his attacks have slow startups so he ends up either trading blows or, even when his attack starts first, ends up in the opponent's combo and with the lackluster that is his combo game, he relies on reading. Ig the sandwich is his best neutral control. But yeah, high damage, heavy, insane kill power on the charged attacks, that I agree with.

[merry kiln]

brian is not gonna stop

can we just agree brian doesn't exist

@pine aspen consider taking a 2 day break

[delicate latch]

No man look at his normal dmg its insane

He does 10 dmg out of a normal ahh combo

He can also kill super early for no reason

I do 140 dmg to a Shaggy just so thry kill me at 80

[merry kiln]

2 disconnects in a row -30 I'm guessing the game just doesn't want me to play today?

[merry kiln]

3RD DISCONNECT AND BANNED FOR AN HOUR

[dusty walrus]

His neutral is fine in most matchups, but to say he has the strongest neutral in the game when characters like Morty, Arya, Finn, Gizmo, and T&J exist is absolutely wild

Not even tryna be mean, but it sounds more like a matchup struggle than the character being broken

[dusty walrus]

Oh yeah put Batman in here as well

Wonder Woman too

[dusty walrus]

Also, you can’t say Shaggy needs nerfs while trying to downplay Morty lmao

[delicate latch]

When did i do that

I know Morty needs nerfs

I am not like u Shaggy people meat riding him to death for no reason

[dusty walrus]

I mean I think Shaggy is good

Like he’s undeniably a strong character

[delicate latch]

An broken one that kills at 90

[dusty walrus]

I’ve always said I want them to nerf his kill power and buff his combo game

[dusty walrus]

Tbf like half the cast does that

Like Finn just randomly explodes people at 0

[delicate latch]

But they need to read people to do that, Shaggy just does jab jab Up special lol

[dusty walrus]

I mean sure, but it’s not like Shaggy fishing for jab isn’t punishable or without counterplay. It’s a very strong confirm I agree, but acting like it’s the most broken confirm in the game when stuff like Dirt -> up air or whatever the hell Finn is doing exist, is a bit biased imo

Like I don’t think Shaggy is that unbalanced despite his insane cheese factor

Also yes I do think rage up b and rage side b are ridiculous

They do like 30 each, and side b is practically unreactable with rage

But even then, he’s getting them like once a stock, maybe twice at most

While I do think they are broken, it’s not like he has them every time he’s playing

Oh wait there is that one perk, but nobody uses it

[delicate latch]

His dmg is also super insane

[dusty walrus]

Yeah he does a lot of damage per hit to make up for his lack of a combo game

[delicate latch]

Out of normal moves he does like 10-15 dmg

[dusty walrus]

Yeah I agree it’s pretty strong

I would rather nerf that and give him actual combos

It feels like they wanted him to be too beginner-friendly

So they gave him busted specials

[delicate latch]

Dirt up Air is really strong Yes but it is Mortys only kill comfirm, Shaggy has up attack up special side special and etc

[dusty walrus]

Yeah, but Dirt is easier to land in most scenarios

Since Morty as a character forces the opponent to commit to something

[delicate latch]

Do u think its easier to hit dirt than hit a single jab????

[dusty walrus]

In the context of this game, yes. That’s mainly because you need to actually approach to land jab while dirt can act as a zoning tool that forces approaches.

You can even condition them to jump and just anti air them if they get scared

I’m not trying to downplay Shaggy, but trying to downplay Morty to emphasize how good Shaggy is makes you look very biased.

Dirt is just as broken if not more broken than Shaggy’s jab confirms

That’s not me saying Shaggy’s confirms are bad

It’s just how it is

[merry kiln]

#clips message

got this yesterday

[frozen geyser]

Double dodge catch

Nice

[dusty walrus]

Sick

Gonna plug myself rq

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Don’t ask what my opponent was doing in the second clip

[frozen geyser]

Yeah I used to use the sandwich setup in the second clip, but kick is more consistent and covers more DI directions

[merry kiln]

love the down tilt into dash

[dusty walrus]

True true

[frozen geyser]

It’s still a good combo at ledge where reverse utilt to up b won’t kill

[merry kiln]

honestly I found out about it and haven’t been using it as often anymore

going for jabs has become such a hazard bc they fall off so often

[delicate latch]

🙊

[glad marten]

Just dont fight small characters even though they make up the whole meta and 90% of matchmaking rn

[dusty walrus]

So true, Zypten

[dusty walrus]

😔

[frozen geyser]

Good idea. Time to start dodging Arya and Gizmo

“Oh no my internet suddenly died what ever will I do”

loses 26 RP

[merry kiln]

the paralyzed glitch is still happening

I've lost 60rp and a 3 hour cumulative ban

[merry kiln]

#combos message the day shaggy can do this to other characters is the day I like the character again

also that side kick would’ve killed if I aimed it downwards 😭

[dusty walrus]

Guys how do we beat Marvin

He covers like every possible approach angle at the same time

[willow beacon]

Pray you can ass pull some charged attacks

Why can't I see what my opponent's rank is? I'm missing that little icon next to their name

[glad marten]

Anyone below gold has that icon hidden

You don't get ranked until gold, because the ranked pity system forces you to reach gold whether you like it or not

[willow beacon]

Oh, ok

[frozen geyser]

We don’t

You just have to outplay the Marvin

[bleak roost]

and run projectile perks

pray for the best

[frozen geyser]

And be mindful because his one projectile counts as a grab and beats rage specials too

[frozen geyser]

Doesn’t even help much tbh

Shaggy moves pretty fast on the ground, so by the time the perk activates, you would’ve basically already closed the gap

[merry kiln]

down tilt in question

[bleak roost]

i wish down tilt still had armor

[merry kiln]

I'm talking about marvin's

[bleak roost]

oh that

yeah that's a pain

[frozen geyser]

It really doesn’t need it

But what I wish they kept was the armor on air down special

Air down special is only really useful as a dodge read where you jump at them and air down special which waits out their dodge timing and hits them

Aka very niche

[dusty walrus]

Hate that move

[frozen geyser]

One move I wish was legitimately useful and really isn’t is rage grounded down special

[dusty walrus]

Is it the orb

[frozen geyser]

Literally nothing combos into it

[dusty walrus]

Or one of the orbs

Idk he has like 5 of them

[frozen geyser]

Yeah the one that visually disappears before the hitbox ends

[dusty walrus]

Hate that move

[frozen geyser]

Jab 1,2 -> rage down special -> up special should be a thing and just isn’t

[dusty walrus]

It would be pretty swag

[frozen geyser]

Like how is it fair that IG rage mode dtilt has the same shockwave with zero cooldown every time you dtilt and the actual foot has a hitbox that combos into the shockwave

But Shaggy rage down special has the same animation roughly but his foot doesn’t have a hitbox and he has no combos into the shockwave and he can’t use it more than once without another 4 seconds of uninterrupted charge

[merry kiln]

can we talk about how useless rage sandwich is?

[frozen geyser]

Oh yeah that too

I’ve used it a few times and the only thing it’s useful for is forcing a jump

[bleak roost]

that got nerfed hard

i remember that being a confirm in beta

[merry kiln]

the way I think they can fix it is

1. you can use both sandwich and a rage move
2. becomes a lot faster
3. deals more damage and knockback

or 4 all of them

[frozen geyser]

Actually, the real reason to use rage sandwich is to make your opponent aware of it

[bleak roost]

sandwich should NOT lock you out of your light attacks

[frozen geyser]

Then when you have rage and a sandwich, you never use it again and instead go for rage kick as a burst option

[merry kiln]

that only works with iron giant if you bait them into using up special

literally nothing else

[dusty walrus]

From what I heard about the beta, it apparently didn’t used to

[merry kiln]

you didn't play in the beta?

[dusty walrus]

Nope

[frozen geyser]

I’ve gotten a kill against a Black Adam by charging rage with a sandwich, he panic projectile shields, and he eats rage kick and died

[merry kiln]

it didn't, you could only send it one way using down special

[frozen geyser]

You used to be able to hold sandwich indefinitely and use attacks

[dusty walrus]

Hype

[bleak roost]

yeah

[merry kiln]

and it didn't take your rage away

[frozen geyser]

What doesn’t make sense is that Shaggy’s sandwich is the only move that got this treatment

[bleak roost]

i genuinely see no use in throwing sandwich up or down

[merry kiln]

one random patch they nerfed it so it did but the very next patch they brought it back

[frozen geyser]

Bugs can still walk around and use other moves while holding a pie

[merry kiln]

so I really don't understand why they decided to take it away again

[frozen geyser]

Honestly, either let rage sandwich not take away rage like in beta or make it like twice as fast

Or even just bigger

[merry kiln]

^

[frozen geyser]

Honestly, the biggest issue outside of rage sandwich consuming rage is that I’m pretty sure it’s the same size as beta

But the character are all bigger with higher jumps to compensate

So moving around it is too easy

[merry kiln]

no it's definitely bigger

but useless

[frozen geyser]

If it is, it’s not by much

[merry kiln]

I genuinely don't think my rage sandwich hit more than twice

and they were both on bobo

[frozen geyser]

I’ve hit it like maybe 3 times and all 3 times were in 2v2

I don’t think I’ve ever hit it in a 1v1

[merry kiln]

I'm just now imagining the potential if they revert the sandwich change

both rage and just being able to hold it

[frozen geyser]

Make sandwich not consume rage and just deal less knockback

[merry kiln]

less than it already is? lmao

[frozen geyser]

I mean, it’s still decently powerful

Kills at like 100

Earlier with bad DI

[merry kiln]

off topic but I hate that ugly pc role color

digital spork said it would change like a month before release

[frozen geyser]

Oh yeah I’m not the biggest fan either, but eh

It could be worse

[merry kiln]

worse than the color of drying blood

[frozen geyser]

I would’ve preferred more of a green or yellow

But I guess Xbox is green

[merry kiln]

yellow sounds nice

[frozen geyser]

I usually go for the yellow option in whatever server I’m in if they have it

But none of the roles here are yellow

[merry kiln]

purple for me

and I had that for a while

I tagged asking digital spork if they could change it again

[frozen geyser]

Honestly red is fine if it were a slightly different shade

And not 255 red

[merry kiln]

no too bright and turkish

don't ask what that means

[dusty walrus]

@turkey

[willow beacon]

Why the hell does throwing the sandwich down send them up, can't even spike properly

[merry kiln]

me on day one of release ^

[frozen geyser]

Yeah sandwich for some reason doesn’t have the directional knockback that basically every other projectile has

[merry kiln]

now that I think about it is it only shaggy who has upwards knockback on neutral special and sandwich?

[frozen geyser]

Bugs rocket might also be like rage sandwich

I don’t think the downwards rocket spikes

[jovial prairie]

Shaggy feels so good to play man

I don't get tired of saying it but he works so good as a read dodge type of character and I love it

[dusk geyser]

guys

The new event skin changes the colour of Shaggy's nipples

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[glad marten]

That's such a stupid little tidbit of information

[dusk geyser]

since the colour changes from pink to blue he can have blue nips too

[frozen geyser]

Peak

[dusk geyser]

got both my jack and now my shaggy to plat : )

[frozen geyser]

Nice

I’ve been working on Jason

Jason in plat 5

Was plat 4 but then I went on a loss streak because Jason sucks against the top tiers

[dusk geyser]

Nice! That must've been hell with all the morties and marvins

[frozen geyser]

Dude there are so many Morty’s, Joker’s, Marvin’s, and Harley’s

I’m just thankful I haven’t run into any Finn’s or Arya’s much today

[dusk geyser]

Man I just can't with Finn... the only character I feel like I can contest him with is Jack

large hitbox vs large hitbox

[dusty walrus]

Finn is so hard to deal with

Can’t contest anything

Can’t jump

Can’t dodge bc he’ll just keep charging and wait for the i-frames to finish

Plus he will just kill you at 0 off of one opening

[dusk geyser]

they should remove his infinite charge like Taz's Sandwich ☺️ make him bottom tier

[frozen geyser]

5 of the last 6 matches I’ve played have been against Jack

[dusk geyser]

he is the new guy and void just released a new video

[frozen geyser]

Yeah I know

[bitter oracle]

shaggy needs to have a dbz reference skin

[frozen geyser]

That’s what I’m sayin

We have a Bruce Lee and a Chuck Norris skin for Shaggy

We need a Goku skin

Also, wow I swapped over to Shaggy for one game after playing Jason all night and man you can just feel the tier difference between the two

buff Jason

[jovial prairie]

Something I learn today: Neutral special doesn't break armor

Cmon game lemme have something as a panic button against a ww with armor hitting me and dropping a combo

At least I had advantage so that wasn't a big punish and I won but damnnnn I really tought every rage special should break armor

[glad marten]

His rage specials shouldn't break armor tbh they're already strong enough

30 damage, insane knockback, instant full weakened

They're ridiculous

[jovial prairie]

I mean just the kick is pretty strong ngl, rage uppercut feels meh most of the times, but yeah, they shouldn't apply weakened, just delete that debuff

[willow beacon]

Ggs, I hit gold II yesterday, can't play much cuz I'm working this summer. Got 2 days off now so going for that plat

[merry kiln]

it does

they probably hit you just as you tried to use it and your armor was non existent

[frozen geyser]

No he means it doesn’t have the armor break property that the other rage specials have

It also doesn’t apply weaken unlike the other rage specials

[merry kiln]

does it really not break armor?

that would definitely not be intentional

honestly why is no one complaining about the fact that armor doesn’t activate properly on any move that isn’t side kick

armor not working on neutral special was a bug in the beta too and they fixed it

so is armor not activating until last second with down special

so how didn’t they review it?

[frozen geyser]

I mean, the armor on neutral special works but it’s like frame 20 or something

[merry kiln]

would be really silly if it didn’t work at all

I’m talking about instantly

[frozen geyser]

I know

[merry kiln]

down special armor activating instantly would allow some insane reversal potential

[frozen geyser]

There’ve been several times where I’ll literally hear the sound effect of rage neutral special but I get hit anyway because the armor is too slow

[merry kiln]

I used to love it in the beta

neutral special was also my most used type of rage move in the beta

[frozen geyser]

I personally don’t think it should be instant because that’s a bit too cheese, but it should definitely be faster to start up than it is now

[merry kiln]

it could combo into dair

or just kill at zero offstage

[frozen geyser]

They removed the omnidireccional knockback on rage neutral special

[merry kiln]

like hold on let me show you

[frozen geyser]

It always sends diagonally upwards now

[frozen geyser]

I’ve gotten my fair share of those kills in beta too

[merry kiln]

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watch both clips bc the context just makes it 10 times funnier

[frozen geyser]

That first clip was oof

[merry kiln]

loopversus

[frozen geyser]

Still crazy that Harley had such good frame data that her infinite just bypassed attack decay in its entirety

[merry kiln]

funny thing is I only started playing shaggy a day before they completely removed his loop