Shaggy

[waxen pine]

No dude because you tell everyone they’re wrong and nobody’s right but you and that nobody knows what they’re doing except for you

[glad marten]

I tell nobody they're wrong unless they're wrong

Like saying hangry man is worse than olz

Because hangry man is actually insane rn

Wacky ass perk

[waxen pine]

Lmao see you later man

[dusk geyser]

hank can u teach me ur ways of shaggy sometime

[glad marten]

He uses the loop combo and hangry man perk, but mysteriously never charges rage

[dusk geyser]

its to psych u

[waxen pine]

I had it equipped earlier because I wanted to try what you were saying, I'd rather just throw the sandwich and be able to use 1 last zoinks

[glad marten]

Fair enough

[waxen pine]

hell yeah

[glad marten]

But the one time you did use it it was ridiculous

Like there was genuinely no way I was gonna stop rage

[waxen pine]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-shrug-gif-meme-tiktok-you-burned-my-house-to-the-ground-gif-8697757548478715963

damn no embeds

[glad marten]

Embed fail

[waxen pine]

rip

[dusk geyser]

added u : ) whenever you're online and wanna teach or 2v2s, I think you get off work the same time round me

[waxen pine]

to be honest though there isn't much to teach I'd wait until he drifted in with dair then do landing nair to either start the 0-50 string or the 50 to death string if I had rage

[glad marten]

I'm sure with rage you can 0td

[dusk geyser]

i got twitchy fingers and on keyboard, so I misinput a lot

gotta train myself to not use random skills

[glad marten]

Play controller it's way better trust

[waxen pine]

You can with certain DI

[dusk geyser]

I would, but I'd break the controller LOL

I get mad stick drift in any game I play

[waxen pine]

There's a really easy 0 to death you can do on the entire cast but iron giant if they DI up tilt wrong

[dusk geyser]

keyboard is more durable

[haughty cobalt]

The loop is jab x2 -> nair, yes?

[glad marten]

Yeha

[waxen pine]

yeah, you can also do jab jab dash forward turn around jab jab and loop that if you need a bit more damage for uppercut to kill

[glad marten]

Tbh after fighting a not braindead Shaggy who also abuses his loops, I think he might be more OP than Harley

[haughty cobalt]

Solid
It may also be possible to connect fair -> nair at 0 if you have forward momentum, idk if DI out stops it though

You just have to jump soon and hold down after fair

[waxen pine]

I've noticed that at really low percents yeah, I could def see that being helpful against larger characters for starting strings

@dusk geyser I just added you back, I'm playin with some friends of mine tonight, but past work throughout the week I'd love to get some games in

[dusk geyser]

hell yeah! nw, i'm playing Monster Hunter with some friends tonight too

[waxen pine]

oh dude sick

have fun with that

[lapis veldt]

Hehe

[merry kiln]

@raven aurora is double jab dodge double jab true?

does anyone know the best way to approach using shaggy?

[rare lance]

Game is unplayable rn because of shaggy , first 2 Vs 2 of the day , enemy team 2 banana guards, second fight of the day , 2 shaggys ...

[waxen pine]

Yeah it’s true but depends on your spacing

I can usually get 2 loops on smaller characters and up to 4 on bigger ones

[merry kiln]

4? is that possible with the dodge decay

[waxen pine]

Yeah, if you have all your dodges, but it does use all of them, so usually I only do more than 2 if I know I need it for a kill

Plus smaller or thinner characters usually can only reliably get 2 or 3 before falling out unless you have really good spacing

[waxen pine]

Does anyone here understand the parry timing really well? I can consistently parry in other platform fighters like smash but I can’t seem to get it right in Multiversus.

[frozen geyser]

The parry in Smash is definitely more lenient and the parry range is the size of your full shield regardless of hurtbox shifting, and parry being tied to the release of a button makes parrying the last multihit of a move significantly easier

For Multiversus, I’m pretty sure the parry range is literally just the character’s hurtbox, so hurtbox shifting does affect parry timings

[waxen pine]

Alright, the parry window in smash is 5 frames so less than that is definitely gonna take some getting used to

[waxen pine]

That’s dumb lmao

[frozen geyser]

Yeah it’s probably closer to 2-3 frames here

[waxen pine]

I guess I just need to get good

Appreciate the help man 👍

[frozen geyser]

No problem

[still crown]

@waxen pine additionally, make sure you're doing neutral dodge (which you can specifically bind if you want)

if you dodge in a direction, it will never result in a parry; and because you tend to be DI-ing(inputting a direction) when you want to go for a parry, it's helpful to have neutral dodge bound to a specific button imo

[waxen pine]

Fair enough, I’ll probably bind my right trigger for that

[dusk geyser]

God I need to pratice di'ing
faced a Taz last night and I got COOKED! lol
I'm not quite sure which way to Di out of his infinite or if possible

[frozen geyser]

You mean jab dtilt loops?

From Taz

[dusk geyser]

yeah that one! the one thats like 0 to chicken

[frozen geyser]

I believe you can hold up to escape a bit earlier to make the next jab whiff after dtilt

[dusk geyser]

I'm still used to the old spam dodging

Is DI'ing just mash dodge and hold a directional input after hit? or is it hold a directional input then press dodge?

(literaly has 18k dodge badge from abusing it in beta LOL)

[still crown]

to get out of most combos I tend to hold up and away and mash dodge. but 30 frame buffer window can make that risky if you accidentally double dodge and exhaust all your resources

[dusk geyser]

Oh okay so hold directional input and mash thanks!

Additionally, is there a way to get dodge meter back up faster after your first initial dodge in the meter? Does staying grounded bring the meter up faster or is it regeneration at a set rate?

[frozen geyser]

Basically this yeah

[frozen geyser]

Getting hit or hitting opponents builds dodge meter faster

[dusk geyser]

oooh damn. Didn't know that hitting builds dodge.

I've noticed that if you stay still for a few seconds a popup will appear over your character that'll say STOP CAMPING.

Then if you use any move after that popup, your dodge meter will completely drain from full

I don't remember this mechanic in beta

[dusk geyser]

Would you know if this is a static buildup, damage related, or number of hits related?

I could see multi-hit moves being more valued if it works based on number of hits

[sly zinc]

anyone wanna tell me some basic combos

[dusk geyser]

-jab 1 > jab 2 > nair > repeat. best combo rn probably because of the loop. Might get fixed

-jab 1 > jab 2 > uppercut. Kill confirm at higher percentage

-Dtilt > forward dodge cancel > dtilt. Good for surprising and carrying opponent to platform edge

-jab 1 > jab 2 > utilt > jump > utilt > shoryu. Good for carrying vertically. Alternatively if they're out of dodge meter I also like to do jab 1 > jab 2 > utilt > jump > up air > upair > fastfall > jump > upair > upair and repeat to just keep juggling them lol

[sly zinc]

thanks alot

[frozen geyser]

That I don’t know. I’ve just noticed the dodge meter going up whenever I hit people or I get hit

[frozen geyser]

You can also start jab nair loops with dair nair

And utilt confirms into up b at like 60% or so for early kills. It’s a 50-50 if they DI in or out, so you either just double jump up b (DI in) or dodge jump up b (DI out)

More consistent with a bit of charge to utilt

[dusk geyser]

do u play controller Hoagie?

[frozen geyser]

Yeah

Xbox controller

[dusk geyser]

I've always done keyboard because I break the stick too much on xbox controllers.

Get drift within a week of playing lol

[frozen geyser]

I’ve had the same Xbox controller for like 10 years now lol

Xbox One controller I should say

All my 360 controllers have horrendous stick drift

[dusk geyser]

Do you know what series? I might look into one if its that durable

[frozen geyser]

It’s the OG one that came with my Xbox One

The first party ones are the best for sure

[dusk geyser]

Controller players I feel have a finer movement over characters. I wanna see if it changes up my gameplay

I tried last night but was having some issues readjusting.

Are you able to input a dash attack immediately after another dash attcak with controller?

[frozen geyser]

I had a third party controller at one point that I used during quarantine, but that one ended up with the most egregious stick drift I’ve ever seen

[dusk geyser]

God I know the pain

[frozen geyser]

Tbf I also had literally nothing to do at college because of online classes, so I probably spent on average about 6 hours a day gaming

[frozen geyser]

I haven’t tried tbh

I need to start trying to work dash attack into my gameplay more in general

[dusk geyser]

Fr, I also took some networking courses online during covid. Spent a lot of time learning about modems, virtual machines, and online connections lol

[frozen geyser]

In one year, I put 30 days into CoD MW2019…

And that was on top of playing other games too

[dusk geyser]

Surprisingly effective for catching people offguard.

Keyboard is easy to input consecutive dash attacks because the keys are more responsive than a joystick.

Sometimes I'll dash twice because people like to try and jump out of it, but weirdly shaggys dash hits above him too

but I have troubles with controlling fastfalling and short hops with keyboard

[frozen geyser]

Yeah I’m wondering if something like nair iDA works

As a kill confirm

(iDA = instant dash attack)

[dusk geyser]

hmmm, definitely gonna have to lab it out

[frozen geyser]

The thing I really need to do is figure out how to deal with WW

She just like always has armor and approaching with charged sair and the perk to break her armor is too telegraphed to be effective

I saw Nakat put out an anti WW guide, and he literally said if she has armor, just camp her out

But like she gets armor like every 10 seconds

[haughty cobalt]

Multihits break the armor too

[dusk geyser]

The only thing thats helping me with WW isn't character based, but player based.

People keep spamming dodge for fast movement, but they inevitability run out of meter. I go ham once she does. Every single combo I can muster up before her meter comes back up.

But that can be applied to all characters and not WW specifically

some people just dodge for no reason too, specially beta players

[frozen geyser]

Yes, but it’s really easy for WW to just attack in between the first and second multihits

I found one who consistently did that to me if I tried to approach with nair

[frozen geyser]

Yeah, I have recognized that and killed people for it

[waxen pine]

For me, I run the perk where dash attack breaks armor, and close the distance with dash attack before she can react and break the armor

That helps me with Wonder Woman

[glad marten]

Is dtilt wave dashing not a thing anymore? I havent played much Shaggy with the full release the batman who laughs is simply too drippy

[haughty cobalt]

you only usually get dtilt into dtilt, after that they're too high

[dusk geyser]

works once as a surprise tactic at low percents lol. Can be good for a surprise edgeguard too

[frozen geyser]

I might need to run that one instead

[waxen pine]

I wasn’t really running anything particularly useful with that slot beforehand, and having an already busted dash attack break armor seems huge

[frozen geyser]

Holy

Steven is insane

Why does he have Shaggy levels of combo damage?

Morty’s grenades kinda suck now, but his dirt seems massively buffed because of the slower game speed

[glad marten]

He doesn't have loops like Shaggy, does he?

[waxen pine]

I mean

[frozen geyser]

Oh yeah he does

[waxen pine]

Dair nair dair nair dair

[glad marten]

Damn

Busted ass character fr

His loops are more brain dead than Shaggy's thats insane

[frozen geyser]

And his neutral is 10x better too

[glad marten]

Fr

[dusk geyser]

anyone wanna 1v1? I gotta fight ppl better than me rn

[deft crown]

I’m not on the game rn my b

[dusk geyser]

dw im easy, 30% winstreak right now

dang

[deft crown]

Respect the hussle tho

[dusk geyser]

tyty

i need to get beat to learn to beat

[hybrid flint]

** # Z O I N K S **

[frozen geyser]

Ok, so like the jab nair loops definitely don’t work on the lighter characters like Harley and Gizmo

[frozen geyser]

I’ll play a few if you’re down

[dusk geyser]

hell yeah, my ign is SSJ100SHAGGY

[frozen geyser]

Mine is just Hoagieland

In the middle of a 2v2 rn tho

[dusk geyser]

ooh gotcha

im waiting in a custom, ping me when you're done : )

[frozen geyser]

Ready. Invite me again

Damn 5K ring outs?

[dusk geyser]

ggs

yeee

[frozen geyser]

I think I’m buffering stuff wrong because uair shoryu isn’t guaranteed but my dodge isn’t coming out

[dusk geyser]

NICE reveresal

OOF

ggs

Im practicing because I gotta fight a guy on reddit, he disrespected shaggies

[frozen geyser]

You’re burning too much dodge meter

[dusk geyser]

yeah my finger getting twitchy

I see the appeal of hangry man

[frozen geyser]

It’s hard not to play like the beta where you could just dodge whenever

[dusk geyser]

fr, im still used to beta dodging

as you see by my 18k dodges LOL

[frozen geyser]

Lmao

Yeah you gotta be a bit more patient

[dusk geyser]

yeah gotta learn to read more

[frozen geyser]

Also, I don’t think you should ever use jab 3

I think you’re jumping over me a bit too much

And you’re full hopping which gives me more time to react

[dusk geyser]

i got dyslexia so i input a 3 times by accident on keyboard lol

thx u are teaching me a lot

[frozen geyser]

I definitely gotta start using dash attack more

[dusk geyser]

I honestly think it's the second best dash in game

[frozen geyser]

It’s surprisingly hard to whiff punish because of how low Shaggy ends up

[dusk geyser]

first is harleys

harleys dash beats out a full rage kick

[glad marten]

Abuse the insanely unfair loop and then win in one attack with an up special

[dusk geyser]

nah they gonna fix loop eventually

rather hone my reflexes

[frozen geyser]

You’re definitely calling out my movement more

[dusk geyser]

thanks! I'm too aggressive so I gotta take the time to read more

[frozen geyser]

But you see how good Hangry Man is tho

[dusk geyser]

yeah honestly i might change it

1 more?

[frozen geyser]

Sure

[dusk geyser]

ty!

hangry man turns any knockback distance into an advantage

ggs!

[frozen geyser]

ggs

[dusk geyser]

thanks for the lesson : )

[frozen geyser]

Ye

Your Shaggy isn’t bad

[merry kiln]

y'all na?

[frozen geyser]

I am yeah

[dusk geyser]

thx! yours is great

I feel confident that I can defeat that redditor now >: V

[frozen geyser]

I was expecting you to be way worse with how you’ve been talking, but you’re actually good

[dusk geyser]

LOL thanks

im too aggro, gotta slow it down a bit

[frozen geyser]

You just need to beef up your combo game a bit and don’t play as mindlessly aggressive

[dusk geyser]

yeah, once I get a jab in my fingers react before my brain and does the input twice more

[frozen geyser]

Even something as simple as jab jab up b kills reliably at 100%

There was a scenario where you went for jab jab utilt, but utilt was stale and didn’t kill me at 120%

[merry kiln]

down tilt dodge up tilt is true on certain characters

[frozen geyser]

Can you cancel dtilt with dodge?

I haven’t been able to unless I’m missing the window

[merry kiln]

no, dodge after it

[frozen geyser]

Ah I see

What percents does it work at? Low ones I’m guessing

[worthy rover]

hey can i get a simple run down on how to improve as shaggy hes prolly the pmost fun character to me but i always find myself gettign dogged on by mages like joker steven and morty

[merry kiln]

both, neutral dodge up tilt if they're at low damage, and dodge forward up tilt if they're at higher damage

without the neutral dodge actually

I'll send a clip in a second

[deft crown]

uhm https://x.com/thedinkyfgc/status/1798445871333273605?s=46&t=u_c4SAZ7EXwOFJ5WFA_FCQ

[merry kiln]

#combos message

[merry kiln]

what the hell is that

[glad marten]

hangry hop

[deft crown]

The next few tournaments are gonna be interesting

[frozen geyser]

Nice

[dusk geyser]

holy shot that hangry hop

[lapis notch]

yeah i just joined, and i saw this too, its weird and this is the only clip of me hitting it, can anyone explain tf goin on??? https://cdn.gilcdn.com/ContentMediaGenericFiles/8259039fd00748f51b4b0793aeac3c94-Full.mp4

oh, also, i'll double check, but i wasn't using hangry man in that clip

so it isn't a hangry hop i don't think

yup, just double checked and i was using OLZ not hangry

[cosmic elm]

Spam side kick one more time

[lapis notch]

who me or him?

or both?

[fading trail]

My Y button gets stuck a lot so It may seem like I spam it but I don't lol.

[frozen geyser]

Do you use your Y button a lot? Or is it something that you don’t use and it just gets stuck?

[quick light]

They really need to add attack decay back because these shaggy spammers are going crazy

[glad marten]

Side b ain't a threat

[quick light]

It's not, it's just annoying since they don't get much of a punishment for spamming it

[lapis notch]

can someone explain the clip i got here? at first i thought it was a weird hangry hop, but i'll admit i'm not a comp player and so i didn't know what a hangry hop actually was until now.

it looks like i canceled a rage into another rage somehow inverting my gravity?

idk how i even canceled a rage to begin with, its not like i n dodged

[waxen pine]

I'm not sure, that only happens to me when I've won the game

[lapis notch]

Wait, does that mean the win screen cancels attacks?

Because I my clip it happened right after I won too

[haughty cobalt]

RIP jab nair

[frozen geyser]

Well, jab nair loops are dead

I hope nair still has combos or else it’ll be really useless

[merry kiln]

rest in piss tamunokuro

[waxen pine]

Nahhh I think this just removes the later percent damage of it anyways

Which people could DI out of beforehand anyways

I’ll have to test when I get home but I’m not too worried, especially for characters that aren’t super small like Arya or Harley

[frozen geyser]

Idk 10 frame later cancel window sounds pretty rough

[waxen pine]

Oh wait I didn’t read that part

Oof yeah maybe not

[frozen geyser]

It deals more knockback, sends horizontally further, and Shaggy has 10 more frames before he can cancel

Well, looks like we’re gonna have to rely on dodge jab shenanigans

[waxen pine]

Yippee!

[merry kiln]

shaggy's infinite still works

[dusk geyser]

lol i had a feelin they'd try to patch our jab nair

[half current]

Did he get nerfed? He wasn’t broken at all

[static lintel]

Nair literally doesn’t combo into anything anymore LMAO

I get not wanting it to combo into jab at every percent but the knock back angle change was enough to achieve that imo

We will have to use this move more as a kill move off the side now than a combo tool it seems

[marsh harbor]

rip

He’s gonna be mid now

[glad marten]

Thank god🙏

[glad marten]

Yes he was dawg 😭
He has possibly the highest kill power in the game and it looks like he still has his loop

He is still broken

Needs more nerfs

Especially to hangry man

[frozen geyser]

I’m really hoping this isn’t the case and he can at least do something with nair

[marsh harbor]

Goodbye shaggy 💔😭

[frozen geyser]

I get not wanting jab nair loops

That’s understandable

[haughty cobalt]

Today marks my increased anticipation for Agent Smith

[glad marten]

It's crazy how everyone calls their main gutted the second they receive any miniscule nerfs (I do the exact same thing)

[frozen geyser]

But like if nair is useless now, that’s gonna destroy a lot of his combo game

[haughty cobalt]

Ok but hold up, why no Bugs nerf???

[pallid tinsel]

jason is gutted now (he didnt change)

[frozen geyser]

He’ll still at least have jab jab dair

[glad marten]

He was always gutted

[marsh harbor]

He’s in shambles let’s be honest

[frozen geyser]

The no Bugs uair nerf kinda crazy ngl

[glad marten]

"Guys he cant loop until 100% off one attack and instantly win he's garbage now"

[frozen geyser]

But at least they removed the safe shenanigans

[marsh harbor]

Just nerf Harley and I’ll keep playing him

[frozen geyser]

True

I’ll have to go into the lab and see if he can get anything from nair now

[dusk geyser]

Harley dash beats out Shaggy rage side kick if they clash lol

[glad marten]

They removed priority

If both attacks clash, both players are hit

[half current]

Craziest skill issue I’ve seen ever, do you think his kick is op too? 😭🤦‍♂️

[glad marten]

Shaggy mains might be bigger downplayers than Harleys

[static lintel]

He’s def still really good if you can kill people the same way which you can you just can’t combo with nair it’s literally just a kill move now since they buffed the knockback

Side b still broken and jab still kill confirms

[glad marten]

All his specials are kill moves and half his normals are kill moves thats crazy

Glad I dropped him for someone with more drip

[static lintel]

LMFAO do you even play shaggy I see you in here all the time taking about how he’s broken

[glad marten]

I did in the beta

He was my main then

And I planned to play him on full release but the batman who laughs is too drippy not to play

Also Shaggy doesn't feel the same

He's so choppy and slow I hate playing him he's just not fun anymore

And on top of that, he's ridiculously overpowered

[waxen pine]

Real

[marsh harbor]

I’m thinking to play joker just for that

[glad marten]

Such an expensive skin but its so fire

[merry kiln]

#clips message I learnt this from TK

[waxen pine]

Looks pretty nice, was that from the recent update?

[dusk geyser]

waiting for pfg to capitalize on an ultra instinct white haired muscular battleworn shaggy skin w/new voicelines and new animations for every single attack and ki blasts instead of sandwiches (sniffs copium)

shaggy akuma would be good too

shagkuma

[deft crown]

beat me to it

[glad marten]

A skin like that and I'd be forced to go back to Shaggy

[waxen pine]

But then who would you endlessly complain about in every channel of the Multiversus discord

[merry kiln]

yes

[glad marten]

Depends on if they nerf Shaggy or not

[dusk geyser]

imagine a 瞬獄殺, Shun Goku Satsu,Instant Prison Murder animation instead of side kick lmao

[waxen pine]

I figured, is that what nair looks like now? Yikes 😬

Cool combo either way though

Glad I can still do dash cancel jab

[glad marten]

They did the exact same thing with sair but thats some how not an issue?

[merry kiln]

I was trying to talk about not doing anything for a second after jabbing, your opponent panics and you can start another combo lol

[waxen pine]

That’s smart, I feel like I’ve done that once or twice on accident but I’m gonna see if I can do it more often on purpose, mfers definitely be dodging away the moment they get hit by jab 1

[merry kiln]

tyy I got it from tk lol

the way he plays scares me

[glad marten]

Allat just for him to not even be a top 5 shaggy

[dusk geyser]

uses so much dodge whoa

flashy though if you can use it

Should come up with a name for that string.

ダッジ廃棄物メーター
Dajji haiki-mono mētā has a nice ring

[waxen pine]

Jab dash cancels might roll off the tongue a bit better lmao

[dusk geyser]

Apparently stands for Dodge Waste Meter lol

[waxen pine]

True but it’s not a waste if you burn all of them

With the way dodges work now you just need to camp for 5 seconds and you’ve got them all back

So waste them all and send the opponent somewhere else with a finisher and then by the time they get back you’ve got a full meter

[dusk geyser]

i'd love to see it in tandem with a raged special

[merry kiln]

you'll be fine as long as you don't mindlessly keep trying to do it

[dusk geyser]

me the mindless inputter lol

[merry kiln]

https://twitter.com/_Fatpac/status/1797969686203871446

[dusk geyser]

sick, love fatpac clips

i only ever got 1 pity stock off him in beta 😔 it was either that or TK, one of the big shaggies

[frozen geyser]

No, I know what he’s talking about. They added a body block mechanic and Harley’s foot makes her body block Shaggy’s rage kick and he just gets hit

[glad marten]

Damn

[frozen geyser]

The same thing happened to me a few days ago

[dusk geyser]

oop forgot to reply mb,

but yeah for some reason she's invulnerable from the front during this period?

she has the strongest dash in game it feels

[lusty cove]

a holes play this character

one move the character

[olive bolt]

If one more of you go into the top right corner of the map to charge only to be punished two seconds later at 30% i'm gonna lose it

[waxen pine]

Ok

[lapis notch]

woahwoahwoah shaggy has an infinite?

i remember he had one in beta but he has one now????

[waxen pine]

He had one before the nerf, unless you DI up and out on shaggys nair he can loop nair into jab 1 2 until death

And even if you do DI up and out you’re still taking 60-70 damage putting you well in kill %

[frozen geyser]

Infinite is a strong word to describe jab nair loops

[frozen geyser]

Those are called bad players

[glad marten]

Very strong word but the loop does enough damage to screw you over

[glad marten]

Are there any characters actually safe from taking enough damage to get you killed in the next hit?

And can IG even DI it?

IG just screwed in that match up? Unless he still has 0tds and infinites then ig he's just winning by default

[waxen pine]

Yeah there are a few

Harley and Arya are notoriously difficult due to how thin and light they are

Jab 1 2 actually doesn’t connect on Arya unless she’s airborne

And for Harley you need to be directly next to her

[glad marten]

Well they're lighter, so wouldn't their range to be killed also be significantly earlier?

I'm sure an up b could kill Arya at like 40, maybe even 30

[waxen pine]

With or without rage

It wouldn’t either way but I’m curious what you’re imagining

At least not from the ground like they would be in this scenario

[glad marten]

I swear I was able to kill Arya at 40 or so with an enraged up b in the beta

[waxen pine]

Enraged up B was better in the beta

[glad marten]

And I'm almost certain it's kill power is the same if not a little higher

[waxen pine]

But idk if that’s true

But either way you’re missing the point

[frozen geyser]

I mean, everyone can practically infinite him

[waxen pine]

Jab 1 2 not working on Arya while she’s grounded makes a big difference, especially with nair being a non factor after the patch, you can’t start with nair to make her airborne

[glad marten]

Fair argument

Except when he explodes and kills you at 0% mid combo

[waxen pine]

To be fair he kind of needs it

At least in singles

[glad marten]

He needs the explosion to save him from combos I agree

But does it REALLY need to kill at 0%?

[waxen pine]

There’s a ton of characters that can kill at 0% with one move

Not a ton

That’s an exaggeration but still

This game is wacky, IG doesn’t particularly phase me

[glad marten]

Which characters? I saw a clip of garnet doing it, and I'm sure Supermans side b can do it with the right positioning

[waxen pine]

shaggy can if Up special is done next to a wall, I’ve done it myself on cromulons, banana guard can do it with up special, most characters, if given the opportunity to attack another character near the top blast zone like IG would be doing mid combo, would get a kill

[glad marten]

Well if you're already next to the blast zone you should expect any attack with semi-significant knockback to kill

[waxen pine]

It’s just the fact that it breaks combos that lets him do it that close to the blast zone

[frozen geyser]

Jason fully charged utilt with max rage against light characters

[waxen pine]

that nair nerf kinda hits really hard

[frozen geyser]

Oh my god

Wow I just tried it

Nair might actually be negative on hit

At low percents

Ok, yeah nair doesn’t combo into anything now

[static lintel]

Yea you hit that at too low of a percent and you’re getting hit LOL def not a good move low percent anymore at all

Superman cooks us now LOL

[frozen geyser]

So now like the best guaranteed combo we have at zero is jab jab stomp utilt uair

And it does 28 damage

I guess you could throw in a few dodge jab to extend it a bit, but like Shaggy combos without rage no longer do more than 40

[static lintel]

I think that’s what they meant when they said it “feels weird” in the patch notes and that it would be addressed next patch

I don’t think you can’t dodge out of the move until the hit lag is over so it still won’t combo

[frozen geyser]

I mean, 10 extra frames of lag on nair is what killed the move

Sure add extra knockback to remove the jab nair loops

But like the extra lag makes it unusable

[static lintel]

100% agree

The move is technically usable as a kill move but we have so many other kill moves already

[frozen geyser]

The staple I found of jab jab dair nair utilt uair no longer works

[frozen geyser]

It doesn’t even kill fresh at 150%

It’s only use is that it’s Shaggy’s only multihit for breaking armor without armor breaking perks

Like I guess you could use it as a niche edgeguarding tool because it does send more horizontally now, but the hitboxes are not disjoint in the slightest (meaning it’s prone to trades), the multihits don’t link well if you fast fall, and if you’re probably dead if you whiff because Shaggy is a sitting duck and there’s no hitbox on his head to protect him

And like you can still DI up to live quite a while even if you get hit off stage

[normal portal]

So I re downloaded and tried a move i used to use with shaggy. I remember spamming A and B on controller whilst jumping. It basically made shaggy do this crazy dodge move in the shape of a square (either direction) but now i cant seem to remember how to do it or maybe the controls were changed?

[frozen geyser]

If you changed your controls, they’re set to default if you redownloaded the game

[glad marten]

Are you talking about hangry hopping or dodge jumping?

Because hangry hop is its own crazy little thing and dodge jumping can only be done twice now

[wind venture]

Nerf shaggy into the ground

I wanna see his mains suffer

[glad marten]

Or just revert him to the beta

I'd say he was pretty balanced in the beta

Just nerf his up b and dair a bit, buff his utilt and uair a bit and he's all set

[frozen geyser]

If you’re here to complain about kick spamming, then whatever literally remove his side special idc

[normal portal]

It was like directional spam dodging - it would confuse tf outta the enemy because it was just so fast. I remember always dodging in the shape of a square. Either direction.

[glad marten]

Good ol' Shaggy

[wind venture]

Oh no

I just want people to suffer

I'm a hater

[glad marten]

Probably gone with the new dodge changes

[wind venture]

I miss beta mvs

[glad marten]

You can only dodge like 7 times

Dodge jumping can only be done twice

[wind venture]

Yall remember wavedash

Yeah me also

[glad marten]

Not a good one

You're not like me...

[frozen geyser]

Roasted

[wind venture]

Buddy you're a bronze hater I'm a diamond hater

[glad marten]

You're a diamond hater and I'm THE hater

[frozen geyser]

What did bronze and diamonds ever do to you?

[glad marten]

I hate so hard I make people wanna become better

[normal portal]

Jesus christ that shi was so OP 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[wind venture]

Not working

Because im becoming worse

Nice try pal

Leave the hating to the pros

[frozen geyser]

Dodge jumping everywhere in the beta was fun as a movement mechanic, but like man it was so unbalanced

Disadvantage literally didn’t exist

[glad marten]

Mods, ban @wind venture I don't like this guys tone

[wind venture]

The mods can't ban me I have aura

A dark green aura

[frozen geyser]

Actually, your color is dark blue

[wind venture]

I'm color blind

[normal portal]

Literally. The confusion on the opponent is nuts.

[frozen geyser]

It happens

[glad marten]

Glad to see you in support this month 🏳️‍🌈

[wind venture]

Hell yeah

🫡

[glad marten]

A true hater would never support ANYONE... A true hater HATES everyone... you're nothing like me...

[wind venture]

I don't even eat

I just think about hating

And that's my fuel

[glad marten]

A true hater can think about hating while doing other tasks

You're nothing like me

[wind venture]

A true hater only hates they don't do anything else

[glad marten]

A true hater stays in tip-top shape to hate harder than ever

[wind needle]

For the Shaggy pros out there: do you think that jab1 + jab2 > dtilt > dodge jump > down air
Could be a true/working combo?

When you’re close to the ledge of the stage so that you can spike your opponent

[glad marten]

Lab it

[sweet snow]

is the shaggy nerf even that bad?

[glad marten]

They didn't even remove his loop

it did nothing

[sweet snow]

bruh

this patch is so awful

[elder vigil]

The nair change feels terrible

[wind needle]

Damn, I don’t think it works. Not enough hitstun on the shoe, plus you could just up-b for kills

[ruby topaz]

good

[waxen pine]

so many haters in here damn

[waxen pine]

if you're talking about the jab jab nair loops then no those have been removed

I think nair might actually be negative on hit now

Or at least barely positive

[glad marten]

I was able to use the loop on Batman (AI so obviously no DI but still)

[waxen pine]

no you didn't dude

nair is literally negative on hit

it is impossible to combo out of

it's -3 on hit bro that move is so bad now bruh

[elder vigil]

Like I don't wanna be a downer but on first impression yeah don't really have much of a reason to use it

[waxen pine]

Nah we're not up rn it's justified

[glad marten]

Nah Shaggy still has ridiculous kill power and hangry man still gives near instant rage charges

[waxen pine]

Also kinda pissed about this line:

"There are feel issues introduced with this change that we will address in the next patch. "

Bro why don't you just fix it this patch

[waxen pine]

dude go away

[glad marten]

Why should the devs work on the game when they can just get free money instead?

Players will spend money on cosmetics, give the devs what they want, and then the servers will shutdown by June of 2025

And they'll cover up this failure of a project with "It was in gamma testing!"

Oh man 1 week in and we've already seen a whopping 70k people leave on Steam alone

[waxen pine]

I just want to play the game and enjoy it dude and I'm upset that the devs don't seem to care

[glad marten]

I really hope the devs actually do care and it's just WB being a crappy big corporation

[waxen pine]

who knows though maybe it'll be all chill in the next patch

[glad marten]

I hope WB changes their ways and lets PFG actually be player first 🙏

[waxen pine]

post game stats, adjustable buffer, nair rework, top tier nerfs, lower hitstun and higher fall speed, higher top blastzones, UI rework, full roster in locals, dude that patch would be legendary

Biggest fumble recovery in the history of game development

[glad marten]

Literally 99% of these things were in the beta

[waxen pine]

Ok and

[glad marten]

I'm saying these devs screwed up harder than Trudeau

[dusk geyser]

r u canadian zypten

[lapis notch]

i think hes canadian

[waxen pine]

Lmaooooo

[glad marten]

No I'm just making a reference to Canadian politics that non-Canadians would never understand

[lapis notch]

ok but why

[waxen pine]

You fool you’ve opened Pandora’s box

Now he’ll never shut up

[dusk geyser]

tru tru

[glad marten]

I can't believe tone indicators are a genuine thing that people need

[lapis notch]

that would happen to be because i have autism :) /srs

[waxen pine]

Bro do you chill out and be an ass in places where people don’t like you because that’s what you’re used to and comfortable with?

Stop being so rude to everyone all the time

[lapis notch]

this is dumb lmao imma just play the game

later y'all

[glad marten]

God if only it were that simple

[dusk geyser]

we all just need to get along

maybe a lil kiss now and then

[waxen pine]

Ayo 😳😳👀

[lapis notch]

REAAAAAAAAALLLL

🙏

[waxen pine]

Shaggy main make out sesh gonna go crazy

[glad marten]

You're truly just like the Shaggys of the beta

[waxen pine]

What does he mean

[glad marten]

Figure it out yourself bro bro

[waxen pine]

😐

Aight bro

[dusk geyser]

i am the betaest shaggy

[waxen pine]

All hail ruler shaggy

[merry kiln]

#clips message new sandwich

[waxen pine]

Damn the clips have been fire today

Gonna try that in my next match

[frozen geyser]

The CPU doesn’t always dodge after hitstun

Even if you set it to

[merry kiln]

y’all got more clips?

[glad marten]

PFG on their way to suck at game development while simultaneously having nothing but employees who have been "developing games for 10+ years"

[frozen geyser]

Like I’ve said, I’m fine with them removing jab nair loops, but nair not being able to combo at all whatsoever is really bad

If stomp can’t combo well and nair can’t combo well, Shaggy doesn’t really have much of a combo game anymore

[glad marten]

Just revert him to his beta state PLEASE

[frozen geyser]

He has like jab confirms

[merry kiln]

decrease all the damage and knockback for all of his moves but make it so he has the best combo potential in the game ever

[frozen geyser]

I think nair might only be able to combo off walls now

Which is like 2 stages

[waxen pine]

I've given up on using nair tbh

[merry kiln]

shaggy is just reads now

[frozen geyser]

Might start having to go with the classic day 1 Shaggy combo

[waxen pine]

Yeahhh, maybe they’ll make it decent in the next patch but until then I think shaggy play online is gonna get pretty decent

[frozen geyser]

Jab jab up b and chase with another up b

[merry kiln]

we are not going to see any shaggy buffs ever

[glad marten]

Because he doesn't need buffs

He just needs changes

[dusk geyser]

gettin tired of shaggy range

do i give in and get batman

[glad marten]

Batman is worse than Shaggy rn I think

He's no where near as oppressive as in the beta

I haven't fought many Batman players though and the one I did fight was just spamming jab mostly

[dusk geyser]

alr imma get good with the 2nd worst character then, Jason

i have a feeling they're gonna buff him too hard soon

[glacial oriole]

Holy crap

Has Shaggy always charged his super saiyan this fast?

[glad marten]

Only with hangry man

Hangry man is busted rn

It's practically instant

Normally, it's much slower than the beta

With hangry man, it's so fast that it's impossible to prevent it once it starts from any distance other than kissing you

[glacial oriole]

Yeah I noticed it was practically instant

There was nothing I could really do against it, and the Arya vs Shaggy matchup is already pretty difficult to me

Appreciate the insight!

[near sonnet]

shaggys unimagineably broken lol

[dusk geyser]

tested last night and you're right. current Batman is a way different character than beta Batman

[glad marten]

Yeah I played him for some missions, he is no where near his level in the beta

His jabs 3rd hit seems to be a kill move now though

Weaker than his up b but still hits hard

[dusk geyser]

funny enough, dash attack kills some characters above 100 lol

to be fair though it was like an arya

[glad marten]

Dash attack hits hard too yeah

[frozen geyser]

I feel like most character’s dash attacks are kill moves

Is there a single character who combos from their dash attack? I mean I guess like Jason and WW late dash attack can combo but that’s the only example I can think of

[glad marten]

Joker can combo with the right spacing and timing

[frozen geyser]

Joker’s feels like it should be a combo tool but like it kills at like 100% near ledge

[dusk geyser]

I just want another Shaggy skin, a good one they were cooking with shaggy, kung-fu, and warrior

gimme ones with sick voicelines

[glad marten]

It kinda does both

If you time it right, the momentum of the attack will let you keep up with the knockback and use utilt

[frozen geyser]

Alright

[frozen geyser]

Man I was just looking at tracker.gg and it’s insane that WW and Banana Guard have the 3rd and 4th highest pick rates and also have the highest win rates (excluding IG because he’s not in the game currently)

Like that basically means everyone is picking them and winning

If that isn’t a top tier, then idk what is

[dusk geyser]

Rechecked my match history. It felt bad playing as him compared to the beta, but ngl I was pretty clean with him last night.

Maybe he'll be a pocket pick.

#off-topic message

[glad marten]

The WW mains said Joker is actually the strongest character in the game and I actually shouldn't have any issues fighting her because I have 1 (one) multi-hit attack that she can just out-range with half her kit anyways

[frozen geyser]

That’s hard cap

WW downplayers at their finest

It is a struggle to beat every WW player I come across

I don’t feel the same for many other characters (regardless of who I’m playing)

[bleak roost]

any good shaggy combos you can still do despite the new nair change?

[haughty cobalt]

jab jab dair uppercut

lul

[true bear]

guys sorry for disrespecting shaggy

I love shaggy

shaggy the side special goat

my glorious king

[bleak roost]

i just lost to a WW called shaggy takes no skill

im ending it dude

[true bear]

WW having a name of something having no skill

seems hypocritical

lmao

[bleak roost]

with the cooldown i still hate her

[frozen geyser]

Lasso wasn’t the issue

[bleak roost]

well what was it

[frozen geyser]

It’s the fact that she has armor on everything, armor breaking was nerfed, the game is slower exacerbating her range

[waxen pine]

A lot of her aerials also have quite a bit of range and active frames too, making them really hard to contest

[bleak roost]

ah

no wonder

[frozen geyser]

Dude why does bugs get to keep his nair loops and nair dair loops, but Shaggy loses all functionality of his nair and his combo game is destroyed as a result

[dusk geyser]

they wanna keep shaggy simple so to nerf combo game they're just gonna keep buffing knockback lmao

[frozen geyser]

He’s a stubby character with bad approach options

[dusk geyser]

maybe they'll think that kill confirm at 100 is op 😔

time to give his jab about 100% knockback to prevent that

[frozen geyser]

Dude so many characters kill earlier with confirms off things better than jab

Like Gizmo’s arrow

[dusk geyser]

i hate that little rat

[frozen geyser]

WW lasso

Harley slide

[merry kiln]

y'all number one in top dog with shaggy?

[frozen geyser]

Idk how the top dog thing works

[merry kiln]

play, win, xp

[dusk geyser]

nah I'm workin, then gotta write for a d&d campaign. Just gonna avoid top dog entirely because I don't got the time for it

[frozen geyser]

No I mean like who’s in it?

How does it choose who’s against who

[verbal drift]

I have no clue how that works all I know is that I'm fighting people ALOT closer to my skill level now

but they have like 1000-2000+ wins and I have like 480 something 😭

[merry kiln]

everyone in your group starts at the same time

[frozen geyser]

But who’s in my group?

[merry kiln]

check in the event

[frozen geyser]

That’s not what I meant

I meant is it based on location? Or connection? Or is it just random?

Based on prior experience?

Account level?

[glad marten]

Server region probably

But this event sucks

It's entirely based around who does the least things in the real world

[frozen geyser]

Yeah it’s literally just who plays more

[verbal drift]

Wonder how else they could decide who would rank high though

Can you lose XP?

[glad marten]

Maybe with like... ELO?

[frozen geyser]

I don’t think you can

I haven’t lost any for any losses

[bleak roost]

you cant im pretty sure

[verbal drift]

Then it really is just play more 💀

[frozen geyser]

Yeah

Which is dumb

[bleak roost]

no life the game for rewards yaay

[verbal drift]

Very dumb

[glad marten]

Instead of making this an event, they could've just like idk added ranked and made this a ranked season? Ever month or so the top ranked players get rewarded?

[verbal drift]

I mean that's most likely going to be the case when ranked actually drops

[dusk geyser]

but the reward is perk currency!!!1!1!1 isn't that what players want???

[verbal drift]

What the purpose of this event is though is a bit perplexing to me

[frozen geyser]

Honestly, if it was an actual useful reward, it’d be worse

[verbal drift]

Yeah way worse

cause then it'd actually be a problem

but as it is it's just really odd

[dusk geyser]

If they put a little gleamium in it for participating in a few matches I'd give it a shot.

Since the reward is only for the top 50 it doesn't even seem worth it at this point if you have a full time job lmao.

kids on vacation or people depressed and unemployed are going to be grinding that from dawn to dusk

[pallid tinsel]

nah man

i got 12k in the beginning, then got extremly bored of it already

now most people in my top 5 have like 15k

[frozen geyser]

The only thing this incentivizes is one and done-ing

[pallid tinsel]

also did u guys see that there is already another top dog challenge

coming on the 14th

i am not dealing with that shi

[frozen geyser]

Because why retry if you lose when you can just fina another opponent that’s easier

[dusk geyser]

tru

[frozen geyser]

Yeah…

I found an all Shaggy game

Shaggy x4 on screen goes crazy

[merry kiln]

why

[frozen geyser]

“Player retention” I’d guess

That’s the only reason for such an event

[pallid tinsel]

no clue man

[frozen geyser]

Found a Shaggy player and we’re just running away and using Hangry Man to farm rage to win 2v2

[merry kiln]

so how much does number one have in your groups?

I've just seen one with 75k and 60k for second

[pallid tinsel]

It kinda sucks because it's just rng what group you get in

I Guess it makes far more sense to wait until the last day to get in a group

Then just grind for one day

Rather than become a shut in for 5 days straight

It's just fear of missing out which makes sense from a marketing perspective but not from the player side

And who asks us players amirite

[merry kiln]

that makes a lot of sense

they didn’t really think this through

[glad marten]

8k but I hate this game too much to keep up with that

[static lintel]

Tony confirmed on Twitter they will fix nair this week’s patch!

[frozen geyser]

Oh good

All they need to do is revert the extra 10 frames

The knockback increase was enough to remove the jab nair loops

[cursive field]

@pine aspen u are the campiest shaggy ever

Spin back on my Batman

[glad marten]

Why are the devs trying to make Shaggy brain dead?

They're actively killing his combo game while turning every move he has into a ridiculously high damage early kill move

[frozen geyser]

The only optimal way to play Shaggy now is to just camp for rage

Since his combo game is largely dead

[ruby topaz]

fr

like its so cool to shee shaggy do crazy combos

but the devs want to promote brain dead spam kicks

[cursive field]

I mained shaggy in beta cause his movement was crazy and I use to stomp cancel around the stage. And actual have to play around projectile spam with good neutral now he feels like an idiot character who kills at 60 after playing the worst stock ever

[green ocean]

This character is ridiculous. Side special spam is ruining my fun. Like shaggy be using it 7-8 times in a row with no drawback.

[frozen geyser]

There’s a drawback

It goes a set distance and has a decent amount of whiff lag

Either wait outside that distance or jump over and punish Shaggy kick spammers

That’s what I do and I’ve never lost to one

[atomic idol]

when i opened this channel why did my room start to stink?

[merry kiln]

this is actually true

[still crown]

It's the sandwiches

[pallid tinsel]

https://imgur.com/a/5DflX3s

ok so what are u guys doing with this character

what kinda voodoo sht is that

that that didnt hit

[glad marten]

He dodged

[pallid tinsel]

He did not, he sideb'ed

I still have the full clip if you dont believe me lol

[glad marten]

No he obviously dodged

[pallid tinsel]

He literally did not

[glad marten]

When he did the kick, he spun around, narrowly evading your swing

And then whiff punished you with a kick to the jaw

[pallid tinsel]

Again, literally not what happened

[glad marten]

Then why didn't you hit him? Exactly, because he styled on your ass and broke your jaw and you're scared to admit it

[pallid tinsel]

I played the game and have it recorded man, how can you disagree with that 💀

I think shaggy just defying the laws of physics

Cut his booty clean in half but he just said "no"

[merry kiln]

why are you asking about that here

[frozen geyser]

I think that’s more of a Jason jab hitbox is ass than a Shaggy kick is OP

The fact that it didn’t hit makes me think Jason doesn’t have a jab hitbox on the machete

You know

The weapon he’s using for jab

[pallid tinsel]

Cuz its against shaggy wdym

Just a joke on this happening against a shaggy player

[glad marten]

I think hitboxes in general are just ass

I've had so many instances of my attacks visibly passing through my opponent without them dodging or anything and nothing happening

I've been whiff punished for landing my attacks it's ridiculous

[frozen geyser]

I just ran into Coney

If only I was playing with real teammates

We almost took a game

[green tinsel]

why do you guys alwyas just spam side special and run away. like wwithout fail its always been this way for me

[frozen geyser]

Those are called bad players

[waxen pine]

Nair got butchered so optimal strategy now is to camp, get sandwich or rage, and get stray hits with hard hitting hard to punish moves

[frozen geyser]

That’s accurate unfortunately

[waxen pine]

I been playing stripe recently ngl

[frozen geyser]

The fact that Shaggy’s combo game went from like 70 to 30 is really bad

[waxen pine]

Yeah, still really good character but def not top 3-4 where I had him before the nair nerf

[frozen geyser]

I’ve been playing Taz

[frozen geyser]

He’s mid tier now imo

He’s definitely not top 10

[waxen pine]

Tiers in this game are so weird because so many characters in this game have such insane tools

I probably have him around top 8-9 maybe, up special, rage moves, side special, and sandwich are all really strong tools, and I think in a vacuum Shaggy is still a good character, but compared to the rest of the cast it looks a little worse

[frozen geyser]

WW, Bugs, Harley, Gizmo, T&J, Black Adam, Joker, Batman, Banana Guard, and Steven are all better for sure

He’s 11th at best

[waxen pine]

I agree with most of those yeah

Is that your list in order or were you just naming characters

[frozen geyser]

Just naming characters

[waxen pine]

It’s a bummer but they said they’ll fix it soon

[frozen geyser]

He’s also probably worse than Marvin and Finn

And maybe Taz too

[waxen pine]

I’m not sure, Im not trying to be super doomer yet because I’ve ran into some good shaggys, but playing against zoning characters is much more difficult now that’s for sure

[frozen geyser]

But I mean, the only truly bad characters are Velma and Lebron (after the ball nerf)

[dense mason]

I’m top 3 for this event 😏

[frozen geyser]

There’s a streamer in mine who grinded 30k XP in one day

I’ve given up on getting first

[waxen pine]

Like if you’re only winning 1 out of every 5 neutral interactions against characters like gizmo joker or other zoners, it made it a lot easier catching up to just deal a 70 damage string and even things out, but without that it’s an uphill battle for sure

I think I’m #1 in mine bc nobody in it plays that much lmao

I played for maybe 3 hours and I’m up top

[frozen geyser]

Lucky

[waxen pine]

The way they’re running this event is weird

[frozen geyser]

Idc about the perk currency. I just want the BP XP

[waxen pine]

Weird way to rank people, terrible rewards, just give us MMR

[frozen geyser]

Because it’s so hard to come by

But at least we get it for playing the game

Ok, so like the whole point of Shaggy is that he’s clearly designed to be a stubby character who has a linear approach, but when he gets in, he does but combo damage and has good kill power

But like now he doesn’t have a good combo game

A character like Taz is literally the same but a different flavor

Except Taz is even stubbier but his combo game is actually really good to compensate

Basically I’m trying to say that Taz is just better Shaggy now

[dense mason]

I js know all these new players wouldn’t know what to do with beta shaggy 😭😭

[frozen geyser]

The only benefit to using Shaggy is farming rage with Hangry Man

[dense mason]

Cap

The knee my guy

[frozen geyser]

I mean, Shaggy’s moves are cool

But like he’s objectively not that great anymore

Because his main combo extender is useless

Idk tho I’m not sure if I like his knee better now or how it was in beta

It’s a kill move now

But in the beta, it was a higher damaging combo starter

[dense mason]

If rage is your first priority then sum wrong lol

I’m top 2 now

😏

[frozen geyser]

What else is Shaggy good for them? What makes him worth playing over other characters?

Besides cool moveset

Like I can make Shaggy work. But when I get hit by Joker air side special x3 into uair and just explode off the top, I wonder why I’m playing Shaggy

[dense mason]

I mean idk I js told myself ima main him since beta yea idk what they did too him because he was easily s tier but to me he feels less like a brawler and more of a air fighter I still make it work regardless but yea

[frozen geyser]

I’m just hoping they revert the 10 extra frames they added to nair so that he can still combo well without having jab nair loops

Because that was the whole point of the nair nerf

But honestly I don’t get it because characters like Bugs can do nair x4 into uair

[dense mason]

Yea his loop being took is stupid for the fact that literally everyone can in some type of way

[frozen geyser]

Harley can combo literally anything she wants

Steven still has a pseudo infinite in short hop triple dair repeat

Black Adam can just utilt over and over against big characters and they can’t escape

Taz has literal 0-chicken combos

Optimal Arya with airwalker has a ToD

[dense mason]

The js happened to me that and his clap

😭😭

[frozen geyser]

Like there’s so many other loops and insane combos

Why nerf Shaggy’s specifically and not anyone else’s?

[frozen geyser]

Dude Black Adam is kinda crazy

I’m considering buying him because he looks ridiculous

And fun

[dense mason]

He don’t even have no super armor fr like look at Superman

I bought him but I think ima stick with shaggy and Batman idk

[frozen geyser]

I will say tho the nair nerf doesn’t really affect 2v2 that much because you don’t often get full combos. It’s really just 1v1 where Shaggy is dead

[frozen geyser]

I think his utilt has armor

[frozen geyser]

Oh yeah Batman is another. He doesn’t have loops, but his combos from Jab are insane

Batman is also just Shaggy but better

[dense mason]

I’m number 1 now

[dense mason]

Literally

Stronge asf ngl

[frozen geyser]

People have been saying Batman is a mid tier, but I don’t see it

Sure he’s not top 3 in 1v1 like he was in the beta

But he’s still insane

[dense mason]

Yea his combos are pretty nasty

I alr know ima lose my first place 😭😭

[frozen geyser]

A Bugs player just used a tunnel and just disappeared

He just never came back

[dense mason]

I’m getting no sold by all these bad shaggy

[sullen crystal]

yeah re adding attack decay would solve so many problems

[glad marten]

Thats what PFG wants

They want him to be braindead

They want him to be a character you can go to sleep using and still win

[dense mason]

Harley is so cringe bruh

[glad marten]

-Shaggy main

Y'all know if you use more than side b you got a better chance at winning, right?

[frozen geyser]

Damn you used to be one of us

Whatever happened Zypten

You became a Joker main and now look down upon the rest of us

[dense mason]

lol for this event I’m number one so js vibe twin

[glad marten]

Joker came out with more drip 🗣️

Also Shaggy doesn't feel the same anymore

I don't like what they've done with him

It sucks

[frozen geyser]

I think they said that they’re thankfully gonna address the fact that nair is useless

[frozen geyser]

The Batman who laughs skin is pretty sick ngl

But I don’t have nearly enough prestige points

[glad marten]

The battle pass and Shaggy cosmetics were enough for it but even then I actually have less prestige than I should

[frozen geyser]

I didn’t buy any cosmetics in the beta

I just got whatever free ones were in the battle pass

[dense mason]

Ayy this Kevin1122 guy is cooking hope he’s in here

[glad marten]

That doesn't even matter dawg this event is just an indicator of how often you play the game 😭

[dense mason]

And how good you are

[frozen geyser]

No it’s just playtime really

You’re not penalized for losses

[dense mason]

I mean your not getting gold if your not some type of good at the game regardless

[frozen geyser]

Just queue for 2v2 and you’ll gain XP quickly winning like 50% of games

[dense mason]

Silver is understandable

[frozen geyser]

Nah anyone can get gold if they just grind the game for like 12+ hours per day

It’s not based on skill because losses don’t affect your score

And you won’t ever just lose every single match

So all you need to do is queue for 2v2, rematch if you win, requeue if you lose

It’s a really flawed system

[dense mason]

I heard u don’t get point for requeing

[frozen geyser]

You do

All that matters is that you win the game

Doesn’t matter if you requeue

Or rematch

It’s only like 200-300 XP per win

Maybe as much as 400 idk

I haven’t been paying attention

[glad marten]

No, you're not penalized for losses and because this game has a hidden MMR system used for SBMM, even if you lose every game, you'll eventually drop to a point where there's players worse than you that you can beat

If you play more than everyone else in your group, you get number 1

That's how it is

[merry kiln]

#clips message

[frozen geyser]

I was doing that into sair, but honestly kick seems way more consistent

[cursive field]

Batman the most balanced out of all characters

[glad marten]

Batman? Better than Shaggy?

[frozen geyser]

Currently yeah

Batman is good

He’s just not as insanely OP in 1v1 as he was in the beta

[sullen crystal]

Double shaggy sidekick spam go crazy in 2s

😂

And salt emote on top

[dense mason]

Shaggy in the air us godlike

He js like a bug that don’t leave u alone i love it

[glad marten]

I wouldn't say godlike

Definitely strong

But godlike?

[dense mason]

Here u go

[jovial prairie]

What happened to one last zoinks? not even tamunokuro is using it now

[glad marten]

It sucks when hangry man gives you instant rage

[merry kiln]

tk uses 5% extra damage to kill early

[candid venture]

“let’s buff this character”

[dusk geyser]

played Jason until 40k top dog xp then switched back to Shaggy.

Made me appreciate how fast Shaggy is. It felt like when Goku took off his weights at the Martial Arts tournament

Jason sair spamming helped allow me to consistently land knee on a morty lol

[frozen geyser]

The #1 in my bracket had 75k XP yesterday

I have too much going on to be able to play that much

[dusk geyser]

no one was participating in my bracket, the highest was like 34k so I figured I may as well go for it to get the badge

[frozen geyser]

Yeah I’m definitely not getting it

Especially because I’m at work, so like it’s not like I could play right now even if I wanted to

[dusk geyser]

Feels.
I wanna get better at the game because its a nice little hobby, matches aren't long so it allows me to play at my leisure after work.

But at the same time PFG has been making some really bad changes. The hype for the game has far passed and people dropped it again.

It doesn't feel worth the time investment to get good.

Dunno if I'll keep up when ranked actually comes out. Was looking to get in tourneys but the balance is so bad none of it feels worth it

[glad marten]

PFG will clutch it watch

[dusk geyser]

yknow what you're right. I should have faith in them. They caught lightning in a bottle once I'm sure with the right tweaks this will be the next Nick All Stars!

[glad marten]

This game has the potential to succeed and the devs do seem passionate

Honestly, I think its mainly WBs fault

Greedy corporation

[frozen geyser]

This is definitely it

[dusk geyser]

Fr, watches as they bend the knee to adding a $20 jason mask skin

[glad marten]

Its uncommon so its more like $5

Also what do you want them to do?

WB owns them, basically

Any choices WB makes are probably gonna dictate what the devs have to do

WB wants $20 skins? PFG needs to add $20 skins

[dusk geyser]

Definitely bad rep for WB.
I was there for the beginning and downfall of S.Squad.

makes me cautious of any game they touch

[frozen geyser]

At least it looks like they are somewhat listening to the feedback PFG is saying based on community feedback

Like I’m sure it was a WB decision to not have battle pass XP gained from just completing matches

[merry kiln]

nowhere near the beta, feels like I'm playing an entirely different character

[dusk geyser]

fr, shaggies can come that consensus

[cursive field]

highest in mine had 110,000 i jus coped with second since hes a no life

[dusk geyser]

he gonna depart from this earth alone most likey so its fine

[glad marten]

What if Shaggy spammed side b even more 🗣️

[merry kiln]

#clips message new shaggy tech I subconsciously came up with

bait with stomp and use it's follow up into side kick

[waxen pine]

I’ll do it more just for you man

[glad marten]

Thank you HankSteel 🙏
Love you bro ❤️

[frozen geyser]

Called out Joker player’s jump twice with rage up b to be up 2-0 in stocks

Dude just resigns and jumps off the edge

[frozen geyser]

Alright guys, here’s the new Shaggy combo that uses current nair:
Jab 1,2 -> dair -> nair -> wait for panic airdodge in -> charged utilt -> up b

Kills on low ceiling stages against the lighter characters

[merry kiln]

can you send a video?

down air is never true

[tawdry crane]

Alright Shaggy stans I need some perk help to be the best Shagster I can be

[glad marten]

Personal preference but hangry man is broken

Most overpowered perk in the game rn

[merry kiln]

hangry man in 2v2s 5% extra damage in 1v1s

that with 7% extra damage

[glad marten]

Bros taking his info from Tamunokuro of all people

[frozen geyser]

It’s only true if jab is fresh

I also use pugilist and snowball, so idk if that also affects the hitstun

I know it makes jab do more damage

[merry kiln]

her, and yes the hell I am

TK is undoubtedly the best shaggy rn

[glad marten]

Nah

[frozen geyser]

Wasn’t he also the best in the beta too?

[merry kiln]

yes before he played a lot less

he comes up with the randomest true combos/strings and they're always so smart and efficient

and of all times where shaggy only depends on being smart it's right now

aside from all the other shaggys ofc

[glad marten]

Shaggy depends on dealing 20+ damage a hit and killing at 60%

[frozen geyser]

If you die at 60% to a Shaggy, you probably got read

Or you’re playing Harley

[glad marten]

Jab > Jab > Up b kills idk what you mean

[waxen pine]

me when I lie

[glad marten]

I got killed on the floor on townsville at like 60 as Taz 🤷‍♂️

Maybe townsville is just really low ceiling

Trash map

Whoever suggested Mojo Jojo blowing up 2 thirds of the map needs to be fired

[merry kiln]

or just unlucky tbh a new shaggy can do random stuff and get away with it

that’s the most irritating part about shaggy

he’s just too beginner friendly

[frozen geyser]

Yeah at 90-120 depending on the character

Shaggy shouldn’t be killing you at 60 unless you have like max weaken stacked or something

[glad marten]

Then the Shaggy was cheating

Because I had ZERO awaken and got one tapped at 60

[merry kiln]

discovered a new combo that's true for the most part > jab jab stomp into dash #combos message

[frozen geyser]

That definitely looks real

[dusk geyser]

oooh thanks for the tech fellow shaggy

We must uplift each other in these trying times. Come together as a community amidst the scourge that is WB Games

[merry kiln]

we've actually BEEN sharing tech !! I remember talking to you about offstage shaggy like two years ago

[dusk geyser]

I'm sorry. I have the memory span of a goldfish and barely remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.

I do remember talking about offstage Shaggy!!! I miss that version of him

[merry kiln]

it's ok !! I forgot too until I found it when I was looking through my old clips

[dusk geyser]

You are a library of useful Shaggy tech my friend 🙏

[merry kiln]

tyy

[frozen geyser]

I know I definitely remember you from the beta

[lapis notch]

what's the best way to recover when they have you stuck on edge? afaik hangry hopping out then in or side-specialing in is pretty safe but difficult to do consistently, any suggestions?

[glad marten]

Parry into spike

[lapis notch]

is this sarcasm that i'm too dumb to understand or is this serious

because like on surface level that sounds legit but still catches me off guard

[dusk geyser]

You gotta master parry as Shaggy to flex on people.
The psychological damage alone is enough to turn an 0-2 into a 3-2

[lapis notch]

damn alr

[glad marten]

A bit of both

A parry into spike would actually be disgusting to see and definitely the easiest recovery method possible because it just gives you free recovery

But parry also has really strict timing and the input delay is not helping

[lapis notch]

alr fair enough

btw, how are y'all able to hangry hop midair so consistently? whenever i try to do a dash > hangryhop i either neutral dodge or use a u or s special

[glad marten]

There is a neutral special button

Dash your chosen direction and press the neutral special button

I have it set to LB on my controller

[lapis notch]

oh i forgot you can have dedicated inputs lol thx

[merry kiln]

#clips message more of the combo and a new thing that is starting to work a lot more often

dash into jab the second the game starts ^

[dusk geyser]

shnasty