Marvin The Martian

[undone cradle]

Umn yes? He’s just everywhere, feel like he’s just what i said an assassin mage. Minus the kill power

[young zodiac]

Then you should be fine. Try using it a bit more

Fair but I've had games pre nerf on stages like Mansion and Throne room and the amount of neutral you control with one jab 3 is nutty

[finite blaze]

Like its maybe the one strong option with like any degree of opportunity cost

[young zodiac]

I didn't think it was fair. And it shouldn't be standard. That being said I'm waiting on more characters to get that treatment

Not shocking it's only been marvin they've been brave enough to touch

[timid tangle]

all im asking for is a buff to up air knockback please pfg 🙏

[young zodiac]

This is the way, my brother

And up att

AND PLEASE extend down air hit stun at high percents so we can up air reliably

[timid tangle]

you have no idea how many crazy up tilt and up air snipes ive hit even at like 130 and it just does jack diddly squat

come on like in beta that thing could actually kill decently well

[young zodiac]

It's insane that at 130 it's more like a free trip to get away rather than an outright kill move

But it's okay if the top tiers are able to kill with their massive up att/up airs at 70.

[timid tangle]

pretty much every other character in the game has moves that can kill early
marvin has
..sometimes air side b

if you're lucky

[young zodiac]

Funny man

I try killing via rocket mostly. But you can scum down att off edge or jab 3 off edge trap

Dash att is laughable

[timid tangle]

yeah edgeguarding as marvin gets some nasty kills but like
good luck knocking them back to the edge lol

[young zodiac]

I will say though, you can get a hard read with Sair, it can kill starting at 90 depending on stage and area

[timid tangle]

i usually only ever get kills with sair on like
dexters lab 2

because the horizontal blast zone feels like miles closer

[young zodiac]

You can also scum neutral bubble edge guard into jab 3

Jab 3 goes in bubble, enemy usually panics and tries to harass on stage.

You button

MASSIVE damage

Only do it if they read the raw jab 3 button edge guard

Or for free damage early

[timid tangle]

we really just take any W we can get

on the bright side at least with all of Marvin's flaws he still has the best armour break in the game

[young zodiac]

But unfortunately so much end lag if you muck it up

[timid tangle]

always a price to pay ig

that's why i never really minded fighting wonder woman even pre patch

armour is annoying sure but grav projectile and his down attacks all negate armour

[wooden kite]

#cosplay message

Got a Marvin the Martian flag

[young zodiac]

I got absolutely cooked by one last night.

She just. Jumped.

And just like that. I was thrashed by the mile long hitboxes.

[timid tangle]

i mean im not a fan of her side b being able to just neutralise half of my kit but
the rest is never usually a problem for me personally

[timid tangle]

conquering earth in the name of Mars, one step at a time 🫡

[queen swallow]

i agree getting jab 3 out is super committal

[finite blaze]

i'd put ww as one of marvins best mu's against like any S/S+ tiers

finn is marvin's worst overall imo

then i think black adam is second worst just because mile long hitboxes that also do 20+ damage in one hit lol

and bubble not interacting with any of his "projectiles"

and a mini no fun zone but that's only annoying in 1v1 but it can be pretty impactful in 2v2

ww air to air can be tricky but i find a lot of air side b to stuff out or fast fall > aim up air where she is trying to move as very helpful

[queen swallow]

Marvs best match up against a top tier is IG

marv beats ig

and loses to every other top tier in the game

[finite blaze]

marv def dunks on ig

[young zodiac]

Too fast and they generally start to armor before doing jumps if you call them out.

Not a good match up

[lethal beacon]

but is joker marvin really that bad

fought a few of them and its just the same jab dair down special up air combos that they fish for

[timid tangle]

marvin joker isn't too bad if you can predict their card throws for a bubble capture usually
ive got some good follow ups from taking jokers cards straight from them lol

the one matchup i do hate is marvin and finn

[worldly steeple]

card isnt an issue with the jokers ive played against he just has big combos right now. small neutral attack interrupts some stuff like the spinning cane aerial im pretty sure

his bazooka can also be bubbled which is awesome when it freaking connects i feel like the projectile is really hard to get in the bubble

[timid tangle]

its hard getting any bubbled projectile to hit with its inconsistent af hitbox

[worldly steeple]

it definitely needs to be fixed in like 4 different ways for it to work as intended

my favorite is when it leaves a projectile that enemies cant hit on the screen but a close second is when it bubbles something that disappears or does nothing at all like harleys jack in the box or smiths clone half the time

[timid tangle]

the amount of times ive bubbled morty's uncharged gun attack makes me want to cry

[minor hare]

71 damage true combo 100% DI full proof
#combos message
Difficulty: medium

[minor hare]

Good luck against a joker with Marvin😬

[worldly steeple]

do you think this is viable in pvp? i feel like the grab is too dependent on your location like if you jump or are out of position from the ground it will impact the start of the combo, also will higher % knock them out of range? it looks slick though

[minor hare]

As long as a non diable combo isn’t 100% hard and useless it could be possible to pull off in game

But I don’t play Marvin so I don’t know how easy it is to hit side special in game

[minor hare]

And the grab location is mainly: not to close to where you can’t hit dair true

And I haven’t tried with higher % tho

[worldly steeple]

i mean the grab location as in it tracks to marvin when it hits, ie if you are in the air above it will drag them upwards as well so you have to be careful to be on the ground / nearby, where sometimes you want to have the projectile away from you to reverse it with neutral special when they are chasing. it usefully procs flame on its own for some reason

[minor hare]

The neutral special right

You have to fast fall before using it

Then it will ground bounce

[lost sand]

I really like the jab jab into IAD Dair.

[minor hare]

Ty

[lost sand]

I'll lab that part especially a lot

[minor hare]

Took a while for me to get used to ngl 😭

[lethal beacon]

needa fight some more jokers man

still confused to why jokers wild is a heavy projectile

[timid tangle]

looks smooth with the IAD
i tend to stray away from IAD combos with marvin for the most part but i can see if i can try and replicate this
especially in pvp

huge risk, sometimes good reward when you IAD with marvin
dodge meter is definitely something precious for us considering the character's weight being somewhat light

[lost sand]

I can imagine it. Makes me wanna try out various combos with jab jab IAD Dair as the starter.

[sterile rivet]

i wonder why this guy is an assasin when he is probably the most projectile based character in the game,should be classed mage imo

[minor hare]

Yea true. fighting against opponents with a lot of knockback and your dodge meter is empty 😰

[timid tangle]

that's why i usually run the perk that adds weakened past 125
even with an empty dodge meter you can play good keep away at high percents and get your opponent to a high enough percent to get a good hit with jab 3 to kill

[wheat geyser]

Anyone else agree that Marvins projectiles should have their hit box back/refreshed after someone dodges it and he reverses the projectile?

It only makes sense. They shouldnt be invulnerable to the projectile after its reversed using button. They should have to dodge it again.

[timid tangle]

they should have their hitbox even after they dodge it just in general
that's how every other character's projectiles work

[wheat geyser]

Exactly what I mean. Didnt know how to phrase it but yeah. Should keep its hitbox all the way through even after dodged.

Tired of making good reads with reverse and the projectile just goes through them because they dodged it earlier.

[timid tangle]

you and me both
half the time there's no point to reversing anything but rocket

[wheat geyser]

I would love to see a change to button as well. Should only use a reverse charge when Marvin actually reverses a projectile. Using button in combos at times is a detriment because it uses charges.

[timid tangle]

oh yeah defo
i miss old button

[fringe trout]

Exactly 😭. Projectiles should never lose their hitbox in the first place. Imagine a rocket is heading rightwards, the opponent dodges left, you then hit him rightwards (with some side attack), and he flies rightwards and lands on the same rocket he dodged. Current game logic says this shouldn't connect.

Projectiles like LeBron's basketball or Bugs safe must function like this so they don't hit repeatedly. Marvin's stuff breaks on hit.

It makes even less since as parrying is the designated tool for breaking projectiles, not a regular dodge.

[wheat geyser]

Reading this is making me mad, its too true. #FixMarvinSeason2

[worldly steeple]

what do you guys think about well rounded for marvin? i feel like button perk is the most useful one of the signatures but its still kind of mid

[young zodiac]

I prefer button but the aimable upair is probably the best in terms of presence

The 3 rockets I still think are garbage

Maybe for 2s its good

But for 1s, the best game mode, it's trash

[worldly steeple]

i was running up air for a while but i switched to playing marvin more on the ground because i feel like its so easy to punish him in the air so i wasnt getting the chance to use it that much

[flint drum]

I usually just use 5%
since people can just dodge a projectile once and its fully dead, I just kinda stopped running the button

I used to run only button in the beta, cus phantom projectiles was never an issue

[fringe trout]

Space Invader is awesome for getting back on stage

Shoot towards the ledge

[worldly steeple]

true i think i might just switch to well rounded until that is patched

[flint drum]

space invader sounds good but I've gotten used to up air going only up

[worldly steeple]

i just felt like it was too easy to read once your opponents are good enough, unless you are preshooting it and comboing into it

[scenic carbon]

Space Invader also reads dodges super well so it's basically always useful

[finite blaze]

aimable up air is just too good to skip

literally makes him an assassin imo

[finite blaze]

wait are you being serious

[worldly steeple]

you like 3 rockets ?

[finite blaze]

No i think 1s is dogwater

Like absolute guttertrash

[worldly steeple]

[wooden kite]

thats the beautiful thing about this game
everyone can enjoy it in their own way :D

[young zodiac]

Yes.

I can't stand 2s unless I'm with a friend and even then that's 100% a "for fun" mode to me with no real skill expression

2s skill expression boils down to who can cover the most of the screen with hitboxes

Rather than individual matchup knowledge, combo routes, Defense, etc

[finite blaze]

1s really obviates the absolute worst aspects of the game 10 times harder, particularly w balance

[young zodiac]

If I'm not mistaken the currents 2s S tier are actually IG and Marvin

Which can be extremely good at covering the entire stage into a hitbox hell

[finite blaze]

2s still has all those things

[young zodiac]

That's just the game being garbage!

[finite blaze]

And literally more

[young zodiac]

Pay-us First Games aren't really good at balancing or actually fixing their game. Took them the entirety of beta to get it right and now we have an entirely new engine

[young zodiac]

2s generally just boils down to hitbox spam. You can easily get knocked out of combos due to the other factor of a teammate. Whether it be an opponent knocking you back or your own teammate transferring it accidentally to theirs.

Not enjoyable.

And I generally just play fighters because of the 1v1 nature.

[finite blaze]

You could say that about literally every smash like games doubles

The latter part

No team attack does lend itaelf to some negative impacts but theres generally stuff that makes that less of a factor (giant hitboxes everywhere)

[young zodiac]

Which is why they're not as popular as their 1s counterparts....

[finite blaze]

Golden era melee dubs was just as big

[young zodiac]

2s is. OK. I liked the first EVO for it in beta

[young zodiac]

There will NEVER EVER be a game to replicate melee dubs

You and I both know that

That was some absolute gold

[finite blaze]

I mean p+ dubs in the timeline ninty didnt nuke it

You can pen it down to the individual game being way better or whatever

I still think 2s is a very great mode in most every smash game at least at a glance

MVS was designed 2s first and it shows.

Hell if you were forced to play ult singles or ult doubles, id choose 2s everytime bc at least it wouldnt feel like the usual ult bs and certain flaws that i really dislike in its singles would be mitigated.

[minor hare]

Can someone tell me a good follow up for this combo #combos message

[minor hare]

I know you can hit nair I just messed it up but I don’t know what I should go for after nair

[fringe trout]

Try headbutt or left dodge sair

[minor hare]

I should have specified more

These are good but I wanna continue the combo but u don’t know maybe I should change the ending again

[finite blaze]

feel like you could upspecial up air there

[rare heron]

Dodge toward then button

[wooden kite]

Guys I saw a leak of a new Marvin outfit

We’re getting at least one more!

[fringe trout]

We need the green outfit. Super simple to create; it's just a few recolors

[wooden kite]

I usually don’t want recolors but that’s one exception

[minor hare]

Yea I use the sair thanks

98 damage Marvin combo #combos message DI full proof

[gusty quarry]

damn nice work that’s extremely impressive

[minor hare]

Thanks

[timid tangle]

man i love dair

such a funny move

[rare heron]

Send?

[wooden kite]

I saw it on twitter but can’t find it anymore unfortunately

[golden root]

this is so cool, nice job!

[drowsy egret]

What perks yall using

[worldly steeple]

well rounded, thats flammable doc, last stand, pugilist

i think all of the signature perks except triple rocket can be good though

[drowsy egret]

Thank you

[toxic birch]

Marvin

[wooden kite]

The Martian

[fringe heron]

i use thats flammable, last stand, and pugilist :]
like the other person above said any signature perk besides triple rockets are fine but personally the k-62 modulator mark v (the one that gives buffs to projectiles you reverse with neutral special)

[fringe trout]

Flammable Doc, Last Stand, Static Electricity

In 1v1s, Static is an easy 9 damage after each kill. Much trickier to activate in 2v2s

[finite blaze]

Space Invader, That's Flammable, Speed, Pugilist

Maximize your damage output and be a lil more maneuverable in the air for more survivability / combo ability / 50/50 dodge catching

I switch pugilist out only vs wonder woman in 2s for armor pop

Most other armor in the game marvin can deal with v easily up close, it just helps out you and your teammate a lot to either bail you or them out because your projectile popped the armor first

Maybe if it was like a jake / jason comp i'd run it.

[rare heron]

WE GOT GOLFER MARVIN

[rare heron]

Flammable and puligist are a must have and for the third you can go last stand or speed force assist

[lost sand]

@fringe trout yo! Nice marvin montage from last week by the way! That was fun to watch!

[weak totem]

anyone here use K-62 Modulator Mark V?

[lost sand]

I do

[lethal beacon]

i like space invader cuz you can get nice follow up and snipes

[queen swallow]

collat damage

makes dair button loops do mad damage

[flint drum]

a new marvin pfp is always nice to have

[fringe trout]

I have too much fun making/re-watching those. If it gets attention that's a bonus

[lost sand]

I'm also considering making one myself as well, for the heck of it.

[rare heron]

https://youtu.be/BaCcrTkn-V4?si=UIN8247gCkP-WTGB

My marvin montage check it out if you can

[odd ore]

So what are the best parks

[scenic carbon]

Last Stand on the lightest character is kinda crazy ngl

Space Invader is obviously good and Flammable is obviously good

[rare heron]

Space invader or k-62

Flammable

Speed force assist/last stand/collat damage

Pugilist

[finite blaze]

i've got wayy too many clips i need to make one at some point

i just like posting all i can to medal and if people seek em out and see them cool

[weak totem]

we got nerfed 😔

[brave remnant]

Explain

[weak totem]

Air/Ground Neutral Special
– Repeat-move lockout increased to 15 frames from 8 frames

[brave remnant]

I see a 4gb update but no patch notes

[wooden kite]

I’m at six flags today
I hope I see Marvin

[timid tangle]

no buffs to marvin attacks or fix for phantom projectiles
you love to see it

[silk pecan]

Does this make Marvin the worst character?

[flint drum]

jason got nerfed and lots of top tiers got buffed, so I'd say marvin isn't quite the worst just yet

[silk pecan]

So...2nd worst

Man, this sucks

[flint drum]

me when the characters I actually have fun with get nerfed instead of the much needed buffs they need

[silk pecan]

Iron Giant got hit hard, too

[timid tangle]

good

[flint drum]

I'm gonna find it really funny if its still not enough

[timid tangle]

marvin looping iron giants was fun though
even though i still hate IG

[queen swallow]

arya unchanged:)

marv nerfed

And the sad part is

people wanted cooler button combos to come back

instead they are making marv more lame with this game

[silk pecan]

I have an idea

Everyone

All of us

Don't play Marvin at all

Make Marvin so unpopular that they're forced to buff him

[queen swallow]

nahh

[weak totem]

how was morty buffed but not marvin

[flint drum]

morty was buffed because he clearly wasn't good enough at being in like the top 3 spot
WW clearly wasn't enough of a problem so they buffed her too
who knows if those IG nerfs are even going to mean anything
and the worst characters in the game get nerfed while the good ones get more buffs
so cool and good

[lethal beacon]

not that bad of a nerf though

[worldly steeple]

no projectile bugfixes is insane

[lethal beacon]

ill have to see if you can still get dair into button

[worldly steeple]

you should be able to do all melee combos the same with button except for ones that go button - button no?

the only thing i am seeing this hurt is getting projectile kills with reversing rocket, bubble etc

[lethal beacon]

ah so that means you cant reverse projectiles as easily

eh

extra 7 frames shouldnt feel that bad

[rare heron]

Our boy got nerfed

Rip button combos

Hopefully they are still possible

[lethal beacon]

nah theyll be fine

its just repeat move lockout

so id assume

dair into button

still works

it just means button into button doesnt work

[rare heron]

Look at clips

Would that still work?

[fringe trout]

Should work
Lockout just means we can't use button twice in that combo

[rare heron]

Oh so as long as i dont use button 2 times in a row in that combo im fine

[lethal beacon]

yeah it probably works

[jagged gorge]

ya'll really think this puts marv on bottom tier? lol

[timid tangle]

marvin ain't a bottom tier character if he actually like
worked properly
and projectiles didn't just stop working after someone dodged it

[jagged gorge]

seems like a bit of an overreaction no?

yea that is def a pain, the dodged projectiles

[agile ermine]

I think marvin is fine. he still has to work a little more than others, but thats kind of his toolkit. He can still compete

[timid tangle]

he's fine but id like to see him actually get fixed

[agile ermine]

Even then, there arent really truly 'bad' characters in the game

most are really balanced

and some are overtuned

although I do agree that Marvin should get some more love

better button loops/combos would be sick asf

I would actually be content with the rest of his kit if they gave us something like that

[rare heron]

Have you guys seen marvin button beta combos?

💀💀💀

They were actually insane

Search up fpz on youtube

[agile ermine]

nah I didnt play him in beta

bet

[rare heron]

I can send you a video on dm

If u want

[agile ermine]

im watching rn

[rare heron]

Yeah but i got his best clips

In beta you could combo into button 4-6 times

[minor hare]

W nerf

[rare heron]

Hell nah man bring back old marvin

I wish i played him in beta

[odd stream]

Me too

[flint drum]

I miss beta marvin
it was so funny doing side special bubble and pulling someone from the other side of the map into my held down down normal laser
but then they took all that away

[lethal beacon]

he was kinda ass in beta

button was strong but the rest of his stuff wasnt that good

[finite blaze]

i feel like marvin is at least center of the pack, in 2s

not bottom tier in any way in twos

[rare heron]

Hows everyone doing in ranked with him

Not going too well for me im playing all the top tiers

[finite blaze]

havent hopped on today... trying to see if i can hop on w my old static partner from beta

[molten kettle]

hes still really mid

and they broke his rocket too

potential z tier

[viral wind]

I don’t think Marvin is bad but needs help

[finite blaze]

marvin can be extremely anti meta in 2s

the amount of kills i get picking off someone trying to ladder my teammate, the armor breaks, zoning

but yeah morty kinda just does everything 10x better because morty like many top tiers are overloaded to hell

[wooden kite]

I was too tall to ride the Marvin ride.

Day is ruined

[fringe trout]

[weak totem]

they better fix Marvin's projectiles next patch 😭

[flint drum]

should have been marvin sized smh
pft

[fringe trout]

I'd rather have dodges completely break the projectile so it's removed from view than have this phantom nonsense. Same unfair end result but it doesn't leave you feeling betrayed when it phases

[molten kettle]

his cds seem too long for what they are

esp side special

[fringe trout]

I have noticed that you can play mind games with phantom projectiles. Since many are unaware of the issue, they think the projectile is still active and thus will try to dodge it. You can predict this dodge and punish

[molten kettle]

also its odd to make a strong projectile on his jab locked behind 3 jabs

[lethal beacon]

dont fish for jab 3

[lethal beacon]

you speaking about the phantom projectiles?

[molten kettle]

yah

so annoying for the best pressure tool to just die randomly

[molten kettle]

why

jab 3 is goated for pressure

button reverse makes it so good

[lethal beacon]

just seems kinda pointless to go through 3 jabs for one projectile

you got other ways of pressuring on marvin

[finite blaze]

it was a great setplay tool when it last almost 5 seconds

[lethal beacon]

and even then jab 3 projectile ends up hitting people accidentally

[finite blaze]

but its less valuable with the dodge breaking it and it lasting 2 and a half

should be reverted imo

[lethal beacon]

the only time i use jab 3 projectile is when bubbling / on ledge

[lethal beacon]

its a stupid strong projectile tho ngl

dodge breaking it will get fixed (eventually)

the devs did a whole bunch of projectile tweaks and jab 3 projectile has projectile priority

[finite blaze]

it moves very slow and the strong part is the angles it sends at off stage

but again

[lethal beacon]

over the majority of medium projectiles

[finite blaze]

not nearly comparable to the other broken ss projectiles that are next to other ss projectiles on the same kit

[lethal beacon]

who?

[finite blaze]

bugs, morty

[lethal beacon]

tnj?

[finite blaze]

yea

[lethal beacon]

morty grenades end up breaking

its nowhere near as strong of a projectile as it used to be in the beta

bugs projectiles are crazy though

so is tnjs projectiles

[finite blaze]

im aware they were stronger in the beta but youre kidding yourself if you arent on morty being busted busted rn too

[lethal beacon]

triple dynamite is pretty much invincible

[lethal beacon]

morty is busted cuz of dirt

grenades are also strong but thats just cuz they have ludicrous kill power

[finite blaze]

his grenade spikes and zoning are far more impactful

[lethal beacon]

he has less zoning now but grenades kill stupid early

the main offender is dirt tho

wins neutral with just dirt😭

free follow up

blocks projectiles

weakened

its nuts

[finite blaze]

some of its effects after hit are overtuned but idk i dont really have a problem with avoiding it by just going to the air, but thats why its more of the zoning thats an issue bc air to air hes throwing grenades your way

he just gets to play a stupid keepaway / campy game

[blissful oxide]

What do you think is the most annoying thing about marvin when fighting against him?

[finite blaze]

he can hit you from pretty much any part of the air you go to

[lethal beacon]

he can catch you with snakes too

and dirt hitbox is really forgiving

[finite blaze]

so you are forced to play grounded, but then marvins air side special is just really good at catching and our baiting grounded approaches / options

[lethal beacon]

everything

but i just hate playing dittos in general

its like playing rock paper scissors with someone who knows ur moves

[blissful oxide]

He's arguably the most confusing character in the game

It doesn't feel fair even if he's low tier

[lethal beacon]

not really

id say arya probably takes more time to figure out

the tough part about marvin is learning bubble interactions

[lethal beacon]

cuz you got face steal and that takes a bit to figure out

[blissful oxide]

Not difficult to use, I ment strange in the way his moveset is

[finite blaze]

idk hes got pretty simple ladder kills himself and he has the same Obvious Assassin Gameplan in missile and In the Name of Mars as most other assassins (arya knife > ladder, strype with dynamite / pistol confirms, batman/ harley bomb confirms)

just plays like a semi zoner in between finding those opportunities and setups

[blissful oxide]

He's got so many cooldowns that if you don't pay attention to he can pull something to screw
you over

[finite blaze]

his melee moves are severely underrated

fair and air side special in particular

[weak totem]

is anyone here on the leaderboard

[rare heron]

Me

4th place rn

@weak totem also i respect your pfp

The peak

[weak totem]

True

[rare heron]

Rick is so annoying to play against

[flint drum]

people keep trying to say rick is bad but I just do not buy it

[lethal beacon]

also does the marvin combo you showed me earlier work

[rare heron]

Probably most button combos still work so no problem

[lethal beacon]

nah hes ass lol

[rare heron]

The nerf really didnt do anything

[lethal beacon]

once they nerf jab rick will be really bad

[brave remnant]

Marvin golfer goes hard or is it just me?

How do I get medals

[lethal beacon]

his projectiles suck, same portal combos and killing is also pretty bad

[lethal beacon]

the only thing is that you cant reverse projectiles as fast anymore

but oh well

[brave remnant]

Rick can walk you though with just good spacing. He's horizontally evasive and vertically dangerous

[rare heron]

I was just about to say that lol

Rick is only good if youre like the best rick ever

I love marvin just absolutely destroys samurai jack

[lethal beacon]

pretty much

[rare heron]

Havent lost against a single one

[lethal beacon]

it might just be a day 1 thing let people figure out samurai jack first

[lethal beacon]

he doesnt really threaten you vertically apart from whip and up air

sure hes evasive

[brave remnant]

Anyone know what medals are or how they are earned? There's a whole store for it

[lethal beacon]

but being evasive doesnt really do much if you cant kill😭

[brave remnant]

That's all it takes to top ko if he's patient

I've seen a few Rick's that could vertical ko pretty easy if they catch you in the right moments

[rare heron]

Yeah i know but he just beats him in almost every aspect

[weak totem]

you get them from events

there is one in the multiversal games

[lethal beacon]

replicating right moments isnt good enough though

the only confirms i can think of is rocket into up air or portal into up special

or even air meeseeks into up air

killing on rick is really impractical

so you gotta get ur opponent to 140 sometimes before you can kill

[rare heron]

I think thats enough grinding for today

Gold 4

#2 in the world

Prob gonna wake up and find myself at like 15th but whatever

[finite blaze]

rick's buff / debuff can absolutely let him do some ss tier absurdity

[wooden kite]

Fr you have to be 😭

[lethal beacon]

polymorph only lets you do an infinite with reverse sair

but that itself is inconsistent cuz you need to get polymorphed for it

[violet hemlock]

Marvin is good now

Feels good in the Meta

Marvin and Jack great combo

[minor hare]

Marvin gets so carried by nair

[minor hare]

Why do you say “now”

The only thing Marvin got this patch was a nerf 💀

[violet hemlock]

Others got nerfed he settles better in the meta

[minor hare]

Normally I would disagree

But i was cooking with him so much

[violet hemlock]

Lmao I’m going crazy rn dawg

Mind you

I haven’t played since maybe mid season 1? Was fed up with the balance

Feels amazing now

[minor hare]

This was my second ranked game with Marvin #clips message

He’s not even my main

[violet hemlock]

Are you on 1v1?

[minor hare]

Marvin is really good and overlooked rn

[minor hare]

Yea I played ranked 1s

[violet hemlock]

Ah okay see I’m a 2’s guy

Marvin was always pretty good in 1’s

[minor hare]

Yea 2s also good

[violet hemlock]

In 2’s I feel like I’m getting rewarded for outplaying my enemy, which was my issue with this game

Some characters didn’t have to try as hard as me to get KO’s

[minor hare]

Yea it’s very annoying

[violet hemlock]

Air side special seems to be hitting way harder unless I’m tripping lol

[minor hare]

Also the best feeling is going against an iron giant

[violet hemlock]

That move is incredible now the hit box had to get expanded

[violet hemlock]

Facts!

[minor hare]

I went against an iron giant and he genuinely couldn’t do anything.

I didn’t even play Marvin in season 1

So I would always get cooked

[finite blaze]

it was jake in beta its marvin now

as far as invalidating ig

[minor hare]

Yea it’s so funny asf

I’ve never beaten an iron giant like this

[young zodiac]

We can still dair button loop. Right?

[molten kettle]

horrid matchups into the top characters tho

[finite blaze]

not all imo

imo shaggy, ww, arya are super doable

bugs too

bugs should never get away with safe shenanigans

rocket super punishable on startup for marvin too

[molten kettle]

black adam is horrific tho

he just eats dmg and kills early

[finite blaze]

black adam is one of the worst for sure

finn too if they know how to buy proj armor lol

batman supes good mus for marvin too

[young zodiac]

Can we still dair into button loop?

[finite blaze]

im pretty sure

[young zodiac]

Right?

Reads like it should

[finite blaze]

its just the lockout for repeated uses

[molten kettle]

yup i love marvins zero knockback moves

[finite blaze]

button is just sorta fixed kb isnt it

[molten kettle]

up attack and up air take yonks to actually kill

[scenic carbon]

I'm pretty sure Finn's grounded side special just deletes Marvin's projectiles so the mu just becomes down attack spam on our end 🥲

[flint drum]

I'm almost upset Jack can't seemingly grab marvin bubble if it has a projectile in it, but I'm also not surprised
it would be really funny if I could grab bubbled side special and throw it back at him pff

[finite blaze]

marv lebron might just be his best comp

you can reverse any bballs you throw

cover insane amounts of stage between the two of you

[rare heron]

Im pretty sure ive dropped to like 20th by now

[finite blaze]

im six in dubs rn

its hard solo q'ing lol

my brain cant handle anymore

imma hop on tomorrow and try to get to plat

[outer turret]

Anyone get a win/loss with the new golfer skin?

I just got it with medals but I’m honestly too tired to keep playing, but I wonder if there’s a unique win/loss animation

I checked out the one flag emote and he has a golf flag instead of the Mars one in the emote

[wooden kite]

Wait that’s so fun

⛳️

[outer turret]

I got the skin with the rift mode medal so like

It was either that, get Finn, or a Tom and Jerry skin when I already have one for them

[wooden kite]

Oh is that a new thing? I haven’t had the chance to play yet today

[outer turret]

Basically, remember how events used to give skins?

[wooden kite]

Yeah

[outer turret]

They reworked it so events now give a new currency, a medal, which can be used to buy event skins from a new store page

[wooden kite]

Wait that’s sick

[outer turret]

The event store page also lets you get Arya, LeBron, Finn, and Tom & Jerry with the medal too

***and Marvin

[wooden kite]

And you said rifts can give medals too?

[outer turret]

Then there’s a skin for Marvin, T&J, and LeBron for medals too, if you don’t want any of the above you can get 100 toasts, 700 fighter currency, or 100 Gleamium

[outer turret]

Only the rift event rn

For getting stars on the experienced difficulty

[wooden kite]

Ohh okay

[outer turret]

There’s only 2 sources of medals right now, the rift event and the week 1 warmup event - max 2 atm

[wooden kite]

Experienced is 2nd level right? That’s pretty easy

[outer turret]

New gem class, gotta level it up

[wooden kite]

Shouldn’t be too bad still

[gusty quarry]

oh yea the gem class is gonna be global for all rifts this season

so no more grinding 3 different gems

[outer turret]

There’s only going to be 4 rifts though, this season - one every 2 weeks (there’s an accompanying fortnightly event that gives you stuff depending on what rift is active too)

[gusty quarry]

I don’t mind that honestly

gives the rifts more time to cook

and we dont get shark week again

[outer turret]

I personally dislike it since it means I’ll probably have to pay for Beetlejuice, was hoping he’d be free

[gusty quarry]

meh since they didn’t release any new fighters that could be brought normally in season 1 I’m sitting on about 20k fighter currency

so I’m good

[outer turret]

Fair, I still need about 8 more so like

[wooden kite]

That’s nice
The rifts seemed to be kinda rushed

And Warner bros actually bought player first games recently so hopefully that means we can get some more money/people on the team to help

The team is pretty small from what i know

[weak totem]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARVIN

[wooden kite]

Yooo happy birthday Marvin

[weak totem]

he turns 76 today

[scenic carbon]

🥳 🎂

[fringe trout]

🍰 〰️ 🔫 🎌

[finite blaze]

and the devs didnt get him anything...

how dare they

[fringe trout]

They buffed button 🤗

[marble harbor]

Is there anything Jack can do against Marvin and other zoners? He just has no approach options for projectile spam and can be infinitely zoned out

It's such a disgusting matchup

[fringe heron]

MARVIN BIRTH.
(i would send the birth cake meme but i cant embed images in these channels so
oh well)

[lethal beacon]

bubble is goated

[silk pecan]

Is there anyone who can link me clips of the Phantom Projectile Glitch?

[minor hare]

Marvin has a glitch?

[worldly steeple]

marvin has several projectile glitches

[worldly steeple]

i have probably clipped a few but what do you want them for?

[gusty quarry]

just counter the projectile with the teleporting counter perk

[worldly steeple]

jack gets hit by marvins projectiles in his side special, but not interrupted (except for the grab projectile)

[wheat bear]

Anyone else notice that when Marvin gets hit with UFO out, it'll still take damage if he's getting hit but it isn't?

[worldly steeple]

i personally havent noticed that but i will keep an eye out

i just dont take damage 😎 😎 😎

[wheat bear]

Ayyyy

I see you, my guy uwu

[rare heron]

I HATE playing against steven with marvin

Nothing i can do

[flint drum]

I hate playing against steven as anyone, I want that rat eradicated

[silk pecan]

LSS; I posted a tweet to the devs in hope they see it

[worldly steeple]

i have to assume the devs know about this bug as much much conversation has been had about it. i think the code they would have to implement would be troublesome so they havent implemented it due to either lack of time or lack of care

[finite blaze]

Probably bc they are spread very thin

But some priorities seem a lil off ya

"your" character is always gonna feel like a bigger priority too than it might actually be compared to big system issues

[worldly steeple]

there are lazy ways to fix it (eg, make marvins bubbles disappear on dodge) so im taking the fact that they havent done that as a bit of hope that they will fix it the right way by making it have a hitbox again at some point.

[gritty isle]

This new Marvin skins is great

[worldly steeple]

i agree its awesome

[lost sand]

That would be a very bad idea though (bubbles disappear on dodge).

It would lose a lot of efficiency in 2s and ffa since you won't possibly hit someone else with it.

[worldly steeple]

i know its a bad idea i was just saying it technically fixes the issue of bubbles not working right after somebody dodges them lol. if it might as well not be there for that person why not have it not be there? (this is not good logic)

[flint drum]

I think what makes me so upset was phantom projectiles were never an issue in beta
I also noticed something also really annoying is its really ONLY marvin
like Bugs rocket, that doesn't suffer from this issue, if you dodge it, it can and will still hit you

which is what makes it so annoying with marvin because he also has a big rocket and it suffers from phantom projectile

[wooden kite]

They should fix it because it’s his birthday

[flint drum]

they should fix it because its their job to fix gameplay errors like that
smile

[wooden kite]

That too

My worst fear for that is that it’s intentional for some reason

[weak totem]

flag emote doesn't work with golfer marvin...

in game

[finite blaze]

getting into plat is hard af solo q

gatekept by top statics alot

https://discordapp.com/channels/879970800734711808/1009538859417215147/1265758061113380885

wooo bubble rocket woooo

https://discordapp.com/channels/879970800734711808/1009538859417215147/1265761411741782048 i love lebron marv

[gritty isle]

Since I think every non-Bugs rocket projectile works like that, it is likely intentional

[flint drum]

which is really dumb, why does bugs rocket get to be the exception
the only exception

[flint drum]

also chat I just gotta say
I think golfer marvin looks ugly in this game lol
I dunno if its just how he's modeled in this game or the fact he's shirtless, but I just hate it lol

[rare heron]

Anyone tryna run marvin 1s

[flint drum]

god I hate fighting black adam

[wooden kite]

Same but it’s gonna be the only Marvin skin I can get for free 😭

[gusty quarry]

I think it would be instantly better if you just had Marvin in a golfer shirt rather than being shirtless

[flint drum]

like it is accurate to duck dodgers where it comes from, but I think in 3D its ugly lol

dunno why marvin was so naked in duck dodgers

[lethal beacon]

ngl

idk how you beat samurai jack

also im gonna end up really hate side special

[worldly steeple]

do not go near the ledge

[molten kettle]

bro can they change side special

so useless

[fringe trout]

Would be cool if you could reverse it
But test it in some beta version first haha, could be broken

[wooden kite]

I never liked side special either

[worldly steeple]

you can reverse side special once it grabs it just doesnt last very long

if you bubble it you can create a consistent threat for combo on the stage (as long as you arent on a stage with walls like treehouse cromulon got) by reversing it with the button

it also procs thats flammable doc on its own because the release counts as a melee attack

it also bounces and can be angle influenced so you can grab out of air approaches and slides

i just wish there was an attack you could do with side special while its on cooldown

[lethal beacon]

air or ground

ohh grounded version

bro ive been cooking so hard with it

i dont use bubble side special anymore cuz most people will end up just dodging it and thats just a waste

so i just use bubble and then angle side special slightly above the bubble so its able to catch a jump

also, if the opponent gets hit by the bubble it will end up popping them up so it means that you end up hitting the side special

it works really consistently

[idle schooner]

I love marvin. Im trying to make him work. He just feels like they gave the casts worst projectiles to 1 charater then didnt even really give us a super consistant projectile without a cooldown and it feels really hard to kill compared to what the rest of the cast is getting

[lethal beacon]

marvin has some of the best projectiles in the game though?

bubble is a top 5 projectile

rocket is really good

sure he struggles to kill

[idle schooner]

Bubble off cooldown is good. Rocket is on a really long cooldown

[fringe trout]

Phantoms are really good

[lethal beacon]

bubble on cooldown is also really good too

rockets cooldown is fine anyway

i like using rocket on cooldown anyway its nice (the trumpet move)

[idle schooner]

bubble on cooldown goes like 6 inches and gets out prioritized by 99% of the cast

[lethal beacon]

try experimenting with it a bit more

its really good

[fringe trout]

Small bubble is great for combos but will trade hits in most other scenarios

[idle schooner]

Im kind of an ex taz main MArvin is fun and his projectiles are definetly better than his... boot?

[lethal beacon]

anvil is still pretty good though

you can throw it now so thats cool

and being able to throw around heavy projectiles like that is really nice

[fringe trout]

Anvil is normal I believe; you can bubble it

[idle schooner]

It was weird the first time I threw it. it sinks like a rock but hits like a truck

[lethal beacon]

was it not always a heavy projectile?

it used to be heavy projectile

so i assumed it wouldve remained that way

[fringe trout]

I think it was heavy in the beta

And travelled at mach 4

[lethal beacon]

anvil still pretty good tho

[idle schooner]

Yeah it sinks now. If you can eat anything with taz and not get hit

But it hits like an absolute truck

[lethal beacon]

taz can throw anvil tho wdym

[idle schooner]

The priority on his eat isnt great.

I get hit a lot with my mouth open

[lethal beacon]

true

taz can kill really early tbh

[idle schooner]

He can throw the anvil. I meant sinks not stinks

[lethal beacon]

ohhh

ngl im tryna figure out how to fight jack as marvin

[idle schooner]

It was surprising they buffed the nado again. Still a shadow of Beta Nado though LUL

[lethal beacon]

beta tornado was a warcrime

[idle schooner]

I always just liked taz because he just a speedy little gremlin who is there to cause pain and run circles

Im trying to get used to the flow of marvin. I think whats getting me by right now is that there arent many marvins out there and people dont know what to do

[lethal beacon]

I play marvin cuz his projectile game is rewarding

• hes fun

[idle schooner]

He is crazy fun. Its just a shame the rest of the cast has to work way less to end a stock

[finite blaze]

You gotta take KOs with up special and air side special. He can kill pretty early off them in the right positions

Also comboing into rocket is a must

Someone can be at 0 and inbetween spawning the platform and it launching you can put them in range of missile killing. Especially using fair or air side special as enders before it

[flint drum]

#film-and-tv message
look who showed up on tv tonight

[wooden kite]

Yaaay

His first ever appearance

[flint drum]

well no wonder another cartoon with marvin showed up
#film-and-tv message

MeTV knows whats up thats for sure

[worldly steeple]

down special sends up really high as well. off the edge hitting this can get you a kill at around 100 depending on the stage

[covert pebble]

I just noticed he's classified as an assassin?? Huh????

[weak totem]

you thought he was a mage?

[covert pebble]

How could I not, half of his attacks are projectiles. :V

[finite blaze]

He very much can do assassin things

Ove killed ig from 8 to 75

I've killed arya at 40 before

Also space invader makes every other ladder kill/ fifty-fifty way better, while having many of his own with trumpet and rocket

[finite blaze]

got plat!!

[fringe trout]

Killed Supes at 30 when catching his jump laser. Up attack up special was enough

[ocean fiber]

Just reached gold on Marvin in 1v1s, took too long

[lethal beacon]

man how do i even fight gizmo

[flint drum]

you don't, cus hes a high tier :D

but actual advice
his umbrella side special beaks projectiles

[finite blaze]

You make gizmo whiff basically

His umbrella has plenty of startup

Him missing his dair or up air keeps him planted in place and easy to hit with upairs/up attacks

[fast kernel]

Marvin is the lightest character in the game?

[lethal beacon]

that move has sm active frames

[lethal beacon]

nah its tom and jerry

@minor hare you think you can find anything off airwalker on marvin?

[minor hare]

Arya and gizmo are the lightest

[minor hare]

Nah I never tried it

[lethal beacon]

was just experimenting w it and you might be able to get some ground side special setups

[minor hare]

The only time it could probably be used it from dair or side special

[minor hare]

Yea

Did u find good stuff?

[lethal beacon]

not yet

gotta try out some more stuff

could be interesting tho

[minor hare]

Yea I will try when I hop on

[finite blaze]

marvin has airwalker already 🙂

but i have used up special plat to down attack and catch people hit from a teammate

i could probably do the same with in the name opf mars for a more vertical option

and then up attack or up air to setup a trumpet 50 50

airwalkers plat could serve the same purpose for these idk if you true combo into it tho

always the option of doing jab 1/2 iad dair? jab 1 hits pretty far beneath ive found from watertower, though you might not get the bounce off airwalker in time

[wooden kite]

Has anyone else been stockpiling level ups for the power drive event thing
I have like 5 characters about to level up I’m saving for it

[flint drum]

I really hope they changed the power drive and how it works, because it was always such a dumb event, a good idea on paper but kinda bad in execution

[wooden kite]

I liked how it gave me glemium

[flint drum]

I mean thats the good part naturally

but the problem with the event is its like "don't play the game if you see this event happening" cus you don't want to level up characters before the event

[wooden kite]

Yeah it’s strange

[flint drum]

I like that events give xp from actually playing the game, so maybe something like that still happens with power pledge
annoying event

[wooden kite]

Yeah that might be nice

[flint drum]

maybe you get low xp for low level characters and a big boost from high level characters, and naturally a ton of xp for the event by leveling someone up since thats the point
that's how I'd do it

[wooden kite]

I just noticed there’s a new Marvin emote

Helmet shake

[flint drum]

also toon marvin is on sale
naturally only AFTER I decide to grab toon jack smh

[wooden kite]

lol

[flint drum]

I wish toon marvin made his helmet a brighter green, otherwise I might have grabbed it sooner

thats one thing I really liked with Jasons was is made his colors brighter, and with jack it puts thick line art on his gi which I thing looks very nice

[wooden kite]

Mhm

[wooden kite]

the titan tower stage is so cool

i hope it gets added fully soon

i know thats not marvin but this is the only chanel i feel comfortable talking in lol

[weak totem]

how do I deal with jack as marvin

I keep losing to them

[flint drum]

potentially try making use of jacks teleport/dash counter perk

[lethal beacon]

i dont really a fan of the warner bros tower map

[fringe trout]

Center platform for flag, I see this as an absolute win

[flint drum]

I'm just glad its finally in the game
after all the concepts and stuff since the alpha and its FINALLY in the game

[lethal beacon]

its just cuz theres too many platforms thats my biggest issue

theres like 4

its a cool map tho

[modest gyro]

Prjectile phantom?

[flint drum]

whenever someone dodges a projectile, it goes completly dead (unless its bugs bunny rocket for some reason)
this is very noticeable on marvin since his entire gimmick is homing and reversal on projectiles

so if you throw out bubble and someone dodges it, even if you reverse it, it will NEVER hit them

[rare heron]

Anyone else have that dumb glitch where your rocket immediately goes the other way without you reversing it

Someone please tell me thats not an only me thing

[flint drum]

they still haven't fixed that???
I've been hearing about this since the launch

[rare heron]

I actually got a kill because of it once

But other times it would just straight up lose me the game

[flint drum]

they really decided to break marvin and then never fix him
non of the issues that are happening existed in the beta

but you know, those top tiers really needed buffs

[lethal beacon]

yeah that happens

still havent fixed it

[rare heron]

Yeah ofc

Why not make the top tiers even BETTER

[lethal beacon]

they made morty unplayable through ‘buffs’

[weak totem]

yes that has happened to me several times

[modest gyro]

Ah so thats why it feels like i dont do well with marvin. I swear im landing like most or all of my attacks but i only do like 100 or less damage at the end screen stats. Maybe im coping though lol

But yeah ive seen it before. I had shot the bubble at a banana and he dodged it but i reversed it but it went through him

[flint drum]

marvin is good at racking up damage its just killing he has a problem with
especially when your most reliable kill options can just be dodged once and its fully dead

[modest gyro]

Darn guess its skill issue for me. I still get kills but i mainly play 2's

[flint drum]

clearly its whatever earth creature on your team thats holding you back
pf heheheh

[minor hare]

Marvin airwalker is pretty 💩

[fast kernel]

The only viable 2nd perk for Marvin is speed, colateral damage is barely noticeable and he has the worst dash in all the game.

Marvin dash attack is completely garbage.

[weak totem]

is last stand not good?

[minor hare]

0 to death #combos message with airwalker.

[minor hare]

Ur definitely not gonna pull it off in game

All the airwalker combos I did starting with side special I could only get like 50 damage or something. So I just gave up 😭

[fringe trout]

Step 1: hit a rocket without phantom

[minor hare]

I use collateral damage. It all adds up toward the end

[minor hare]

I already said in that combo video your not gonna pull it off in game

[minor hare]

It works with phantom tho 6th vid

[flint drum]

its ugly, but I got it, I got golf marvin
and tennis T&J, gettin all the skins I can cus why not pff

[rare heron]

Delete arya🙏

[finite blaze]

Arya killing center of the screen at 50 is criminal

You can do the same to her it just requires 1000x more mental stack

[rare heron]

What do you guys think is the most satisfying kill with marvin?

For me its definitely when you edge guard them with jab combo

[fringe trout]

Angled bubble rocket or bubble combo then up special

[weak totem]

reversed marvin jab 3 when enemy is ledge camping

[rare heron]

Exactly what i said its so good

[fringe trout]

Most people seem to dodge it now; the bullet on its own is easy to avoid. You have to switch it up and throw in a down air or don't reverse if they catch on quickly. Just cover the gap your jab 3 leaves, it's usually zero risk

[minor hare]

Spamming up attack until they die

[ocean fiber]

Killing them on the top of the stage with ur melee moves, bonus points if they are on low damage

Is Space Invader, Press the Advantage, 2 Fast 2 Block, and Static Electricity a good set? Been using it since launch

[finite blaze]

Air side special hitstop into missile is my favorite

Anything really that abuses the hitstop so that missile connects

[scenic carbon]

2fast might not be as useful because grounded down attack is usually safer than dash attack and dash attack is already a multihit to deal with armor, but otherwise looks like a decent set. You could try speed assist instead.

[worldly steeple]

down special when they are hanging off the ledge

off cool down you can get them when they think theyre safe by charging it, but if they dont have crazy up attack hitboxes (bugs batman harley jason maybe more) you can still get a pretty good kill with the flag on cooldown if you hit them directly

i started doing this instead of aerial down attack and i think it kills more reliably most of the time, it sends them towards the top of the stage though so you have to be ready to jump up and catch them on stages like dexter or tree house

unless they are pretty high%

[fast kernel]

Very weak Marvin unique perk.

[rare heron]

Puligist and flammable doc are must haves

3rd is optional

[scenic carbon]

Static can be good, Press the Advantage is also frequently relevant

I prefer flammable but the other isn't useless

[rare heron]

Flammble doc racks up so much damage

If you use it right youll find out it did like 40% of the damage you did

[scenic carbon]

Weakened is also really good

[rare heron]

Marvin needs it

I use speed force assist since i like my assasins fast

[lethal beacon]

its not a unique perk though😭

flammable doc, last stand / speed force and pugilist / static perk

[fast kernel]

I don't remember the name of the Marvin unique perk that makes you aim your up neutral in the air, with air walker you can do it cheap.

[ocean fiber]

I hate how the projectiles turn useless after they are dodged once

Like redirecting doesnt do anything it just.... becomes nothing after a dodge

[fast kernel]

That was a lazy mechanic so devs doesn't have to program the projectiles hitboxes refresh

[finite blaze]

Static is so bad tho

5% flat boost all times >>> +9 damage twice a game maybe

[fringe trout]

I imagine they actually went out of their way to remove projectile hitboxes after a dodge. Hitboxes don't just magically disappear unless told to

[fast kernel]

What static debuff actually do?

[wooden kite]

I think it applies shocked

Shocked: Accrue DAMAGE over time and DAMAGE allies that come into contact. Effect can be STACKED to extend duration.

[exotic token]

Which signature perk do yall recommend

[wooden kite]

Any except for 3 missiles

[finite blaze]

Yeah marvins design concept screams "i have active projectiles on screen" so it really doesnt make sense that they get disabled.

Otherwise they wouldnt have the lifetime they do and neutral special wouldnt interact with any of them.

[clear rampart]

Does Space invader not do anything for anyone else. im trying it in training and it feel no different from the usual up attack

[wooden kite]

Are you trying to aim it before releasing?

[clear rampart]

yeah

is it not like that normally

[grand coral]

Ground version is always like that

[wooden kite]

It should be able to aim while you’re in the air

[grand coral]

The perk enables you aim his up air

[finite blaze]

did you actually pick the perk within the training room?

its weird and forces to make your set inside everytime

[clear rampart]

you can customize it

[clear rampart]

i see it now

they need to update the description or at least make it do something else

[grand coral]

I thought the description said it was for up air but I would need to read it again

Regardless this game doesn't do a great job at teaching new players

[finite blaze]

it is up air

...

[clear rampart]

oh your right

im blind

[finite blaze]

when you lock in the perks it will reset the training room

[fringe trout]

Also using an up attack bind prevents you from aiming at all. At least for KBM controls. Had to set up a whack custom output via the mouse to aim my up attack

[mystic pier]

how to play this character

[flint drum]

shoot people

[young zodiac]

Use projectiles to control neutral

[marble harbor]

Fighting Marvin is so agonizing for Jack dawg 😭

[fringe trout]

Swords are sooo unevolved

[ocean fiber]

I have the opposite problem, fighting Jack is so agonizing for Marvin I have no idea how to deal with him

[marble harbor]

Marvin can really just zone him out and every Marvin I've fought seems to have way less startup and whiff than Jack it's just so painful

The full release characters (excluding Joker and BG) feel like they were made for an entirely different game than all the beta characters (excluding Velma)

[odd ore]

Really, like the Alpha characters feel one way, the beta characters feel another and then the full release feels like another way

[marble harbor]

I'd group the alpha characters with the beta characters tbh they're very similar but with the full release and beta characters you can just tell they were made for completely different games

The beta characters almost feel like cheaters when playing full release characters tbh they're so much faster for no reason

[odd ore]

It's basically if Brawl Meta Knight and Smash 4 Cloud and Bayo carried all the way to Ultimate

[lethal beacon]

#clips message

funny clip

[weak totem]

HOW DO I WIN AGAINST STEVEN

[flint drum]

you don't c:

[rare heron]

Pray

Steven and finn are marvins counters

Arya is pretty hard too

[rare heron]

Also why do people use shocked on marvin? Its really only good on black adam

[finite blaze]

i dont think its good on anyone tbh

[idle schooner]

4 seconds on the ground moving is A LOT. For minimal pay off. And if you jump its gone even if its charged. I stopped running it. Ive been missing with that last slot a lot and havent decided on what im using yet

[fringe trout]

It's that or 5% melee damage with pugilist. Not much benefit either way. Wish they kept the old perk system or even just cooldown perks, very limited customization currently

[viral wind]

I prefer 5 percent bc I only mostly use Marvin’s projectiles as setplay to close the distance

[lethal beacon]

old perk system had so many useless perks on it tho

there were only like a few good ones

[dim bone]

Idk if you're in here, but GG's Jugg

[finite blaze]

pugilist affects somethings that arent technically projectiles like up attack and up air

also affects up special trumpet, air side special, fair which are all kill options in a lot of situations

this game is weird sometimes with whats categorized as projectile (beta taz nair, taz neutral attack) bc some things will not interact with shu's protection like they should and some do

or button if you prefer

[snow cradle]

Why is it when I reverse Marvin projectiles it doesn't hit alot of the time? It just passes through the player

Man they needa show marvin some love they doing him dirty 🤦‍♂️

[exotic token]

If they dodge the initial projectile it doesn’t hit anymore

That’s how all projectiles work and for some characters it’s awful and needs a change

[snow cradle]

honestly

[exotic token]

That’s also how it works for Velma’s van and it drives me insane one dodge makes it not work anymore

[fringe trout]

Mystery Machine gets the phantom treatment too?!

Marvin has it bad, but man poor Velma got it the worst

[dusk star]

needs to be a 1s immunity to that projectile if it’s dodged

[dim bone]

Honestly, I’d be fine with projectiles reactivating when Marvin buttons them to change their direction

[fringe trout]

Hitbox should never deactivate. If you dodge a large projectile and are still touching after the dodge, you should still be hit. The whole point of giant projectiles is that they are tricky/impossible to dodge (Bugs rocket works this way)

[wooden kite]

It seems like they had a weird solution when programming it and haven’t had time to make it work different

I can see how the phantom projectiles solution came about but Marvin / slower projectiles didn’t exist yet

But then again, bug’s rocket works how they all should 🤔

[grand coral]

Yeah I think this is a good solution

Dodge killing projectiles is intentional I'm pretty sure so the game can have a universal anti projectile option

[dim bone]

I mean, yeah that makes sense but it is strange to see projectiles just going straight through the opponent because they dodged it once

[wooden kite]

I believe Batman’s batrang gains a new hit box after being dodged
So it’s not crazy to imagine this working the same way

[grand coral]

Maybe some kind of visual cue on the projectile that's visible to the player who dodged it?

[dim bone]

I think this happens when it returns and it only reactivates because it changes properties to interact with the perk to apply more weaken

[wooden kite]

Hmm
I wanna test that now

[exotic token]

Yeah and her bubbles T.T

[wooden kite]

Is that a prominent issue? I thought her bubbles went too fast to hit after dodging

[exotic token]

They come back and just sort of sit on the player now

[wooden kite]

Oh dang

[fast kernel]

Marvin golf skin is worth it?

[snow cradle]

I grinding for it rn

I just bought Marvin last night he seems pretty cool

struggles to kill ALOT tho

[wooden kite]

Mhm

[rare heron]

hey guys i need to improve my matchup against other marvins anyone looking to 1v1

[finite blaze]

not tonight but dm me

[dusk star]

best marvin skin atm

looks sick

[undone cradle]

My locals got dominated by a marvin, need tips or high skill marvins for matchup practice if anyone is down ill add you

[fast kernel]

And shark week marvin? If you crouch while having the hat the shark looks like it's moving.

[dusk star]

shark marvin and shark gizmo are both the best shark week skins cause of how big the shark is on their head but golf marvin wins out imo

[snow cradle]

Im honestly hoping this phantom projectile thing is fixed next patch because that nerfs marvin alot

[worldly steeple]

0% chance that happens but it would be awesome

[fast kernel]

Marvin projectiles should recover their hitboxes after changing their polarity.

[flint drum]

I feel like a move should never lose its hitbox but what do I know about game design :P

[lethal beacon]

the phantom projectiles become even worse once you realise the trees on tree fort also trigger phantom projectiles

[golden root]

i lov when the basketball on the space jam stage just eats bubbles hitboxes and is obnoxiously in the way the whole match

[dim bone]

The idea is well intentioned. I’d you dodge a projectile but your dodge frames end and you’re still colliding with it (mainly an issue for like Jason, Garnet, and Iron Giant), you’ll still get hit

The problem is that it permanently deactivates the projectile hitbox even after you alter it with your own character

[rare heron]

Any marvins wanna 1v1 i wanna practice my matchup against other marvins

[finite blaze]

sure we can run a few

havent played in a few days

[rare heron]

Give me 10 mins

[finite blaze]

k

[rare heron]

Invite me

Bo3

[finite blaze]

okie

[finite blaze]

gotta add me on wb

sent the req

[rare heron]

Accepted

It says crossplay incompatibility

[finite blaze]

oop i gotta enable cross

[rare heron]

Yeah stuck drift made me kill my self twice

[finite blaze]

m

[rare heron]

Stick

[finite blaze]

ggs

?

[rare heron]

Gg

[lost sand]

Well, someone lost to a marvin.

[worldly steeple]

do i play marvin wrong or why do people complain about spamming projectiles so often

you can have like maybe three projectiles on the stage and they all take noticable time to come out of the gun, move slowly, and disappear

[lost sand]

It might be a complaint from 2s, which marvins can be more spammy on that gamemode.

[worldly steeple]

i cant keep track of 2s lol

[snow cradle]

Losing to marvin is comedy 😭

[worldly steeple]

i have like a 65% wr with marvin its not a free matchup for anybody except like finn and steven maybe gizmo? if he knows what hes doing

[snow cradle]

Personally I never struggled against marvins

[worldly steeple]

who is your main?

[snow cradle]

Steven

[worldly steeple]

well i already said steven was a hard matchup for marvin lol. he has several projectile shields and marvin has no crowd control other than down attack and jab so watermelon steven gets in the way hard if you dont focus on killing him

also you can approach with the bubble and shield surf really hard and there is crazy cheese with the placable walls. marvin is very good against jason iron giant jack etc and his bubble shuts down some oppressive combos from characters like joker and arya (and finn if he cant figure out how to abuse the dash attack and maybe his neutral air special makes him invincible to projectiles?)

[flint drum]

chat, how we feeling on circuit drone marvin

[worldly steeple]

i will use it until the event xp ends but i will switch back to golfer marvin afterwards

[sacred gale]

I like circuit drone marvin but prefer other circuit drones, golfer still best skin for him so far

I’ve noticed finn is one of the worst matchups for marvin, never seem to be able to pull it through against him, any tips?

[lethal beacon]

bro i hate mirrors sm

its like playing rock paper scissors with someone who knows what ur going to do

[fringe trout]

And the RPS is amplified since it's Marvin

Down air, down ground, and headbutt are the main choices when waiting for cooldowns

[worldly steeple]

marvin mirrors are fun you guys are haters

[fringe trout]

It's funny when you're off-stage and have to play Space Invaders with your up air against the raining jab 3s

And pray you last long enough for ship cooldown to finish

[worldly steeple]

i just dont go off stage 😎

[finite blaze]

ok learning lebron i think lebron may just dumpster IG even harder

lebron marvin still a ridic comp

[worldly steeple]

i played lebron marvin for the first time the other day how do you play it well?

[finite blaze]

you just cover the stage between the two of you really well

any ball marvin throws he can reverse too

you just have to be mindful not to bubble his ball

any time you have ball going for side 3 is p safe

[ocean fiber]

Do u guys accidentally cancel ur kill sometimes

[worldly steeple]

yes especially with reversing the rocket or jab3 i sometimes hit them with the button hitbox on accident when they should be flying all the way to mars

[fringe trout]

Happens too often for me, silly feature. I'll set up a 30+ damage explosive combo only for the pathetic power of an up attack to cancel all the knockback

[finite blaze]

They should make it so that missile hit stop disables all other projectile kb

That would at least solve the most glaring issues

You could still accidentally cancel if you had something out after that period that wasnt well thought out, but that seems like a fair trade off then say completely additive kb

Bc you could hit missile up b at like thirty and kill lol

Or headbutt lol

[last ridge]

been trying to get higher in ranked but marvin has some absolutely awful matchups (like wonder woman) and it makes me lose every single time

[worldly steeple]

wonder woman = avoid her down air, stay on the ground and try to catch her shield charge with a down attack until she gives up on spamming it, then you can play normally with bubbles

[finite blaze]

seconding - you should never let her go to air for free. you have up airs / bubble 1+2 / trumpet and air side special all as options to either anticipate and control space/pop armor or as burst options

most ww commit to swinging as soon as they armor up so if you pop and wait for their swing you can get a punish

[wooden kite]

i was playing some FFA and got the strangest match ever

a stripe was just avoiding everyone the whole time and a samurai jack was doing the same

but the jack let me kill him twice for no reason

then it was just me and a joker fighting with the other 2 there

[sterile rivet]

most ffa games are people just doing missions and trying to get it over with lol

[wooden kite]

That makes sense lol

[sterile rivet]

most of mine are people just geting hit once and running off stage

[wooden kite]

That’s the game mode I feel most comfortable with

1s and 2s scare me and idk why

[shy jolt]

fellow marvin mains i seek guidance 🙏

me and my bro play on the same device. he has most of the wins, like 70% of them so im fighting people more than twice my skill level in ranked. should i quit? im losing a lot of my matches because of this

[worldly steeple]

what device is it? its a free game so you should be able to have multiple accounts

[shy jolt]

ps5

i know i could make another account but the thing is i have a ton of progress on it as well as spent money. its also my account from the tests.

idk what to do 😭

[tight laurel]

hello martians, today im tryna learn this character and join the martian side !

[fringe trout]

Shoot jab 3 off the edge and reverse it
Confuses many people lol

[tight laurel]

oh bet willl try that ty!

[shy jolt]

also jab 1 into flag

its true and landing flag is always good

and flag is also a good edgeguarding tool

u can even use it on cooldown and if you hit it, they will temporarily be marked

[tight laurel]

ooohhh sick thats lit didnt realize it still could mark off cooldown

[dry ferry]

I also just picked up this character, mained stripe and looking for another fun secondary

[lethal beacon]

marvin beats tnj?

[worldly steeple]

id say 50/50. Jerry dies in 2 down attacks if Tom is out of position, if tom is too close dodge in and try jab. dont get hit by frying pan in the air, dont try and plant your flag near the mousetrap, dont try and get bubble->grab in the opening because throwing jerry is faster

marvin has better kill options than tnj im pretty sure

[jolly horizon]

What's the general consensus on Space Invader vs the 3 mini rockets? In 2s I find my ship doesn't usually live long enough to get 3 rockets off in the first place if people decide to focus it.

Whenver I'm not using Space Invader I feel like I'm missing part of my kit

[scenic carbon]

Most people dislike 3 rockets

[worldly steeple]

i dont use space invader because i dont use up attack very much anymore. if i want to kill vertically in the air up special is very strong, bubble, side attack, side special, every one of marvins moves is basically designed for vertical kill except for ground down attack and dash attack. a lot of people focus on killing the spaceship because its a early killer even in 1s and in 2s theres so much going on i think 3 rockets is even worse. personally i just run 5% but space invader is the better of the 2

[jolly horizon]

Alright cool, thought I'd seen it recommended somewhere and couldn't figure out why you'd want to use it

[lethal beacon]

you can air side special tnj shot to avoid taking damage

also voids tierlist means we a bottom 4 character😭

[worldly steeple]

void is tweaking no fooling

[lethal beacon]

he said marvin is super light and he cant kill its insane

he said marvin gotta wait on big cooldowns before he can kill

[worldly steeple]

marvin definitely has a harder time killing on the bigger 2s stages but on the 1s stages he has good-decent options without cooldowns

my ranked grind is going so much better with bo3 (lag excluded) i spent all day the last 2 days trying to get out of gold 2 and now im breezing into platinum. lets go

[finite blaze]

the biggest twos boon to space invader is being able to cover one of the options your teammate is not covering for a ladder kill / setup at wayy more positions

when youre in the air slightly below too, you have your upspecial as well

that and its just really good for team edgeguards

you can cover high recoveries while you can position for air side special / fair / dair

[finite blaze]

like the buff joker or bugs get? you can make it pretty inescapable while shooting and avoiding the other opponent

just feels way better in general to be in the air than on the ground generally

nothing marvin has on the ground is nearly as threatening as his headbutt

and you still have the good ground options like bubble except you can angle it higher up or towards ground to make landing a bit safer

[worldly steeple]

i dont know about 2s but i try to stay on the ground as much as possible, i only go in the air to catch whiffs/juggles or to throw a bubble to make them reposition. being in the air feels very vulnerable even though up special, side special, side attack are all very strong. bubble pops them up so i try to just catch them with that and then start combo that way usually, or bait them into jumping by keeping a bubbled grab back and forth at floor level

i have basically stopped using air down and up attack altogether, down special is better/safer for ledge guarding unless you are catching someone whos very low coming back from the side of stage

[azure saddle]

His headbut is mid, his jab and down grounded are great tho

[finite blaze]

he can drift back so hard with headbutt and be extremely noninteractive with it

while fastfalling back to ground

[azure saddle]

Ya but it has little damage and kb, it is better to bubble into a kick or smth

[finite blaze]

its an extremely good move

???

little damage and kb?

nahh

[azure saddle]

Alr, I never use it anymore, i feel like it is better to do other moves

[finite blaze]

you have an airdodge into fair from it low percent

it puts people in a horrible position

you have so many ways to convert after or else force them to come down in a specific way, it also outright kills high percent

or off the side while edgeguarding

[azure saddle]

Ig I use it more than I thought, I just rewatched one of my clips