Lebron

[brisk zinc]

same

i'm gonna play him this week cuz he s on free rotate

[midnight zealot]

HE IS?!

[brisk zinc]

then i ll hope to get the 3000 fc for him

yes he s available rn

[midnight zealot]

He was on when I was asleep

I'm still gonna buy him

[brisk zinc]

I had to buy Marvin this week but next character gonna be Lebron for sure

[midnight zealot]

I'm probably gonna test him out, and if I don't like him I'll get IG

[spice ibex]

wow, it's really finicky and I can't land it consistently, but with lighting, flame and hothands perks it does 23 damage overall, not bad but I don't see it being viable since you lose the ball and are left without an easy follow-up read to get it back.

[midnight zealot]

Is the black guy an easy character?

[midnight zealot]

He isn't but he's fun

[brisk zinc]

he s actually one of the hardest yeah

but he is pretty fun

to play

[midnight zealot]

He's hard to use effectively

When I lose the ball I panic

[brisk zinc]

dont

you have great move when you dont have the ball too

[midnight zealot]

What is it?

[brisk zinc]

use side air that have more range than with the ball

and side special

[midnight zealot]

Okay

I'm still pretty bad at LeBron but when I'm not getting STOMPED I'm having fun

[brisk zinc]

and if you touch on the ground with side attack you got 4 jab true instead of 3

[midnight zealot]

Jab 3 isn't true unless they're already air borne

[brisk zinc]

it is most of the time

[midnight zealot]

Same with Marvin but you have to be at max range of your melee

[brisk zinc]

unless you catch your first jab on a weird angle

then you have to adjust

[midnight zealot]

I am not good at all but I have fun

I'm down to do like a custom and have you help me learn LeBron if ur down

[brisk zinc]

more consistant on the jab than marvin ngl xD

rick have the same problem

[midnight zealot]

Rick is easier than LeBron imo

[brisk zinc]

he miss the 3rd jab on high damage

yeah was talking about marvin on that one

but yeah rick is not that hard

[midnight zealot]

Marvin and LeBron have jabs that aren't true idk why

Everyone else does

[brisk zinc]

Arya only have 2 and it drops too

[jolly plume]

Yeah Lebron just has a lot of really bad neutral tools. You have to use ball effectively to win a lot of neutral interactions

[midnight zealot]

I feel like I'm getting worse somehow

[jolly plume]

Yeah I mean almost every character just beats your moves. His ball pass is really good because it doesn’t extend your hurtbox like his other moves. The only thing that keeps him from being the worst character is his cheese

[midnight zealot]

After playing with a dude where his ops were way better mine I just felt like I couldn't do nothing

[jolly plume]

ops?

[midnight zealot]

Opponents

He would probably fold me 100% of the time

He had more Garnet wins than I had wins as a whole

[jolly plume]

yeah Lebron does best when the enemy is in disadvantage but I guess that goes for everyone

[midnight zealot]

Should I buy iron giant and LeBron? I have the extra cash

IG is simply just fun and a damage sponge

[jolly plume]

Also if your playing 2s you should try and use a lot of side special with ball after the alley oop

[midnight zealot]

It's almost useless imo

Side special kills but it SHOULD hit like shaggy's dair

[jolly plume]

I find it to be really good

But it can be hard to use

[midnight zealot]

Why is jab 3 the same as uair

Its never made sense to me

[jolly plume]

Yeah up air off jab 2 is better and idk why jab 3 was just never made to be good.

But Lebrons jab is like his best move you can do crazy combos with it

[midnight zealot]

I don't know how to combo ):

[jolly plume]

As for this it depends on your preference on which you find fun. You personally might like IG more. His rage mode is insane and I literally spam with it and cause chaos.

[jolly plume]

I can post a little Lebron guide here if you want

It’s not little actually there is a lot

[midnight zealot]

Sure

[jolly plume]

I’ll give you a little guide about playing lebron.

Neutral with Ball:
His best neutral tools with ball are

1. Ball - Ball is his safest and most
   versatile neutral option as Lebron doesn’t extend his hurtbox to attack.

2. Jab - Jab is another neutral tool that isn’t as safe, but leads to many of his important combos and confirms. However because of the limited range and lack of whiff it is best to wait to find an opening and dodge forward into jab.

Neutral without ball:
His best neutral moves without ball are

1. Sair - I recommend using sair as a spacing tool and occasionally even an aggressive option to help get ball back. This move can’t really combo into much but it’s one of your best ways to get the ball back.
2. Side special - For side special it is really strong as it can kill outright and set up for combos. Use it to cover an approach or land and primarily use the grounded version of this move to set up for combos

Combos:
Lebrons combo game is pretty limited but some good ones are:

Ball nair -> Up air - this is probably Lebrons best win condition as this is his only way of killing characters consistently early on the top.

Some conversions into the above combo are:

1. Ball Jab -> Up Tilt
2. No Ball Grounded Side Special
3. Ball Jab 1,2 (mind you the ball nair after jab 2 is inconsistent if you don’t reverse the nair)

Other combos he has is:

• Ball Jab 1,2 -> Up dodge -> Dair -> Etc - after the dair you can sometimes land a down special to extend or go for a nair which is true.

• Ball dair -> Nair -> Up air - at later %s the Up air is harder to land and might not be true

• Ball Jab 1,2 -> Up air

• Ball Jab 1 -> Up Tilt - Sets up for ball nair in air

• Ball Jab 1,2 -> Side Special - Only works when below platforms and can kill

• Ball Jab 1,2 -> Reverse Nair -> Up air - this is a good kill confirm at later %s. You don’t have to reverse the nair, but it lands more consistently if you do.

[midnight zealot]

I read it. But I still can't combo for jack

[jolly plume]

For the neutral tools when you get used to lebron you can switch things up to make you less predictable but this is the basis

[jolly plume]

Then practice it a bit in the lab I guess

Once it’s muscle memory it’s easier to land in game

[midnight zealot]

At least I'm unpredictable bc I don't even know what I'm gonna dk

[jolly plume]

True lol

[midnight zealot]

Iron giant is so bad, from what I've tried. You just can't dodge anything but you die easy bc you eat every attack (only played in lab so far)

After I get LeBron.. idk where I'll go. Who I'll buy

[jolly plume]

I found it fun it cheese with IG grab a bit

[midnight zealot]

I'm somewhat enjoying Velma but her moves are so stubby

[jolly plume]

Also his neutral special can protect him from combos sometimes

[jolly plume]

Yeah Velma is annoying to play with cause you struggle to kill, combo, do anything

[midnight zealot]

I feel like they removed all ways to kamazi. Iron giant can't jump while holding ppl, Jake just can't from what I know of, and they removed the Garnet perk

[midnight zealot]

I think after I buy LeBron I just don't buy anyone else bc there is no one else I wanna buy

[jolly plume]

That’s fair

[midnight zealot]

I love most of the toons besides bugs

[jolly plume]

yeah I love starting an eating chain with Taz

His neutral special move isn’t that good but I can’t stop using it

[midnight zealot]

I feel like I'm getting burnt out alr

[jolly plume]

Yeah whenever I get burnout from once character I just hop to the next

[midnight zealot]

After that loss streak in 1v1 and 2v2... I feel like there is no point in playing

[jolly plume]

But I feel bad for the people who don’t have all the characters because now it’s insanely hard to unlock them

[brisk zinc]

take a break come back tomorrow

at least we have that free rotation to test them

[jolly plume]

Yeah Lebron is very hard to learn initially compared to other characters

[brisk zinc]

Bought Marvin today after trying him yesterday

and today tried Lebron

definitivly my next character

[jolly plume]

nice

[midnight zealot]

He's hard to pickup and play unlike almost everyone else

[brisk zinc]

that s funny cuz i read your guide and that was pretty much what i was explaining to razz just before ^^

[midnight zealot]

I was popping off a bit ago. But after around 4 wins in a row god said no

[jolly plume]

That’s because he doesn’t have many safe moves to throw out in neutral. It’s why Jason is also pretty bad

[brisk zinc]

at least he got the ball

Jason got nothing

xD

[midnight zealot]

The ball is always my first move if Im scared

[jolly plume]

you essentially have to play the wait and punish game with him or throw ball which doesn’t do much for combos

[midnight zealot]

Side special is horrible bc the animation and the hitbox for the move are vastly different

Unless the opponent got a triple lobotomy I'm not hitting that

[brisk zinc]

as jason you mean ?

you dont want to throw that in neutral

you do it as a combo

[midnight zealot]

For LeBron

[brisk zinc]

jab jab sidespecial

oh yeah

side special with ball is horrible

[jolly plume]

That move you have to position yourself and space with it for it to land

[brisk zinc]

do it when you dont have the ball

then it is actually a good moove

[midnight zealot]

It is as useless as Jason's axe

[midnight zealot]

I also play him aggressive bc he is a bruiser

[brisk zinc]

but kill last stock with a dunk on the face feel soooo good

[jolly plume]

Yeah if you play him like that it won’t go super well. He has a lot of whiff lag so he can be easily punished. You have to play somewhat defensive to do well imo

[jolly plume]

Yeah I wish they made it good again

[brisk zinc]

dont know what you mean by again as a new player

[midnight zealot]

Bro I fought a Harley that spammed side tilt all game so I couldn't do anything without the ball

[jolly plume]

Oh well before in the beta it was a good move. Like really good you can combo with it, edgeguard, kill way better as well

[brisk zinc]

what was the difference ?

[midnight zealot]

Does the fence even do anything? (Ball-less down special)

[jolly plume]

He had a falling active hitbox on his hand while falling. It helped convert into the explosion and you can cancel it while falling to combo

[brisk zinc]

it destroy projectiles

[jolly plume]

You absorb some projectiles to regain ball

[midnight zealot]

Okay

That Harley match felt like cancer

[jolly plume]

Yeah Harley is a pain

[midnight zealot]

Is there any non flammable perk that's good on the ranged bruiser?

[brisk zinc]

Harley is top tier tho you ll feel bad with any character that are not top tier ^^

[jolly plume]

Wdym non flammable?

[midnight zealot]

Anything that isn't "Doc, That's flammable!"

[midnight zealot]

She spammed side tilt so I couldn't get in to do anything

I literally had to spam the reg ball throw to keep her away

[jolly plume]

Maybe snowball perk but the doc flammable one is probably his best

[midnight zealot]

Makes sense

I swear I haven't fought a player around my skill level in weeks

[jolly plume]

Yeah it feels like that with lebron

You can get cooked by the most one dimensional player because Lebron not good

[brisk zinc]

Lebron far to be the worst tho

at least this character can kill

[jolly plume]

true. He is like top 5 worst.

[midnight zealot]

Jason is the second worst bc he is combo food but that man has a touch of death with Marvin

[jolly plume]

But like Velma, Jake, Jason way worse

[brisk zinc]

Tom and Jerry is very bad too

[midnight zealot]

Imo, it's Velma, Jake, LeBron, Jason, and rein

Worst to best order

[jolly plume]

Nah that’s false

[midnight zealot]

No skill, but his up tilt has a hitbox on the sides. Its bull

[brisk zinc]

He s bad as hell

he cant kill

up attack his trash

[jolly plume]

Tom and Jerry has insane combos and neutral

[jolly plume]

You just don’t know how to kill with him lol

[brisk zinc]

only way to kill is rick the edge guard with down air

risk*

tell me then

fishing rope can kill but it s nich

[midnight zealot]

LeBron is so cool but he is trash

[jolly plume]

There are multiple ways to kill. Up special rocket, up air, down air, down attack on ground, fishing rod, Jerry sling shot sometimes,

There is also multiple ways to convert into some of these moves as well

[jolly plume]

Also mouse trap can kill or set up for a kill at later %’s

[brisk zinc]

you litteraly said all his moove

then all char can kill with all mooves too

[jolly plume]

I didn’t lol

[midnight zealot]

Why do all of the fun ppl be so bad ):

[brisk zinc]

that s not true xD

[jolly plume]

his jab and sair and racket and tennis balls and paddle and dynamite

[brisk zinc]

dinamite dont kill

tennis dont kill

[jolly plume]

All these can’t kill

[brisk zinc]

the rocket is way too punisheable if you miss

only thing you can rely on is up air

but hit box is eeeh

[jolly plume]

The aerial up special rocket can be converted into off of jump cancel paddle

on I think 3rd hit

[brisk zinc]

best moove in his kit are side air and down air

but that dosnt kill too

[jolly plume]

His best move is Jerry shot

[brisk zinc]

unless you are risking on the edge guard

yes was meaning outside of this

and jerry shot dosnt kill too

[jolly plume]

Jerry can convert paddle if shot on down ward angle. Which you can then convert into other things

[brisk zinc]

no idea what you mean by that ^^

you ll have to show me

[jolly plume]

I can go on about this but if you want to learn more about Tom and Jerry stuff and how to use him I recommend watching gsm voids video about it

[brisk zinc]

oh i forgot about the mouse trap !

this can actually kill

but

eeeehh

xD

[jolly plume]

I put this on the edge of stage a lot and they can get hit while jumping back up

[brisk zinc]

you can make him be played by the best player on the earth the character still bad honeslty

Lebron is better than Tom and Jerry

[jolly plume]

The point is to show you Tom and Jerry is actually good but complicated lol. If you played him you’d probably understand that he is good.

[brisk zinc]

yes I tested him and try all his option

and test and match

definitively bad

you have to make 3 times the same effort to win a match with him

Even jake as better option

[midnight zealot]

I feel like no matter what I do I can't win anymore

[brisk zinc]

take a break bro xD

[midnight zealot]

I barely even played today ):

[brisk zinc]

you wanna run some with me ?

imma play some Lebron and Marvin x)

[midnight zealot]

I mean I can try but I'm pretty bad just so you know

[brisk zinc]

Im not that good either I just enjoy the game

[midnight zealot]

I try to enjoy it

[jolly plume]

I’d like to play some games but I’m off this week sadly

[brisk zinc]

may be you ll make me change my mind on tom and jerry x)

[jolly plume]

lol maybe

[viral ember]

Hello fellow LeGOATs🙂‍↔️

Does anyone know how to do the fake pass with the Lebron character in-game

[midnight zealot]

Motivation is low bc LeBron is horrible

[magic creek]

yeah

you just nuetrul special then quickly hit the other direction

[viral ember]

Thank you 💙

[magic creek]

then if you hit up or down right after you can aim it

but it is split second so it takes practice

[magic creek]

also im trying to be #1 lebron player so if anyone has any tips lmk

[brisk zinc]

You can use the specific neutral spe button to make it more accurate on where you want to throw the ball as you have 6 options for it

[late socket]

Jab 1 and Jab 2 are true with ball but jab 3 tends to fall out, I'd do up air instead as it also kills earlier

[viral ember]

Spe button?

[brisk zinc]

neutral spacial

you can have a button for this and the neutral attack

as you could want use them when you are moving

so it dosnt input something else than the neutral special or the neutral attack

[viral ember]

🙏 💙 Thank you

[brisk zinc]

👍

[sage harness]

"the black guy" is crazy

[spice ibex]

Adam is also black ya know

[jolly plume]

Yeah

[sage harness]

exactly 😭

[jolly plume]

Literally has black in the name

[midnight zealot]

Your thinking of the man in black skin

[midnight zealot]

I use r1/l1 personally

[brisk zinc]

I dont just discover the option yesterday still have to get use to it

[midnight zealot]

It's still weird sometimes

[brisk zinc]

But using xbox controller i put neutral attack on y and neutral spe on lb

Played some games earlier and still havent pressed it yet xD

[jolly plume]

I got used to it in the beta cause you need it for Tom and Jerry

The neutral special one at least

[midnight zealot]

Same with LeBron, you can't fumble your ball throw

[jolly plume]

Yeah but it’s not hard to fumble ball throw

[midnight zealot]

I meant it as "you can't mess up the input without repercussion"

[tranquil halo]

not true at all

[brisk zinc]

It is only thing i can give to them is that Jerry beat the ball

[jolly plume]

He just doesn’t know Tom and Jerry has combos and kill confirms. And doesn’t realize the power of Jerry

[midnight zealot]

To the LeBron in the Robin costume fighting a iron giant. That was me, 1v1 me again, LeBron vs LeBron

[magic creek]

jab 1, jab 2, up dodge, down attack, down special is a true combo

there is also a extension from that to do a neutral attack but im not fluent with that at the moment

[midnight zealot]

lebron is a free win against jason and iron giant

[magic creek]

fax i love playing jason

also is anyone tryna 1v1 im trying to see how others play lebron

[midnight zealot]

i had a rlly good iron giant but it was close bc down special

[midnight zealot]

im down but im not good. i can also vc

[magic creek]

sounds good

quickkeys is my WB account add me

and if you want to vc just call me

[late socket]

Ik that I was just telling the new player, also its not true on DI out

[magic creek]

gotcha

[midnight zealot]

i wish i could combo for my life but everything ik how do, can easily be dodged out of but if you do the same thing on another character its an otd

[viral ember]

Lebron is so much fun in 2s I better see more Lebron mains ASAP

LOB CITY CONFIRMED

[spice ibex]

Lobron!

[sage harness]

Fax but any assassin counters him HARD

[ionic bison]

what about 1v1s?

ive been having trouble with lebron because of his weird jabs and lack of good recovery (at least in my experience)

[viral ember]

It’s going to be a whole different play style for me, I can’t be aggressive with him as I usually am in 1s. Need more time to get no look passes involved, using multiple basketballs at once and his kit without the ball. It’ll come in time, going to use 2s as practice then try to implement that process when I put him in 1s match ups. Speedy assassins is always going to have advantage toward him in 1s tho I feel naturally so stay tuned!

[ionic bison]

whats good about the no-look pass? i think the normal pass is better

[midnight zealot]

A solid anyone stomps #1 lebron

[sage harness]

lmfao

true tho

still waiting for that buff

[viral ember]

There’s a specific perk Id like to test for the no look pass, plus naturally the no look pass is going to make throwing the ball to your opponents 100x harder to get a read on, which opens up windows. Throwing the ball “normal” makes for an easy dodge in 1s.

[viral ember]

The thing with speedy assassins though is Lebron has a slow whiff rate which makes Arya, Harley, etc extreme easy to take advantage of the openings when Lebron misses a move/no ball in hand. Lebron vs let’s say WW in 1v1 is more ideal especially with his very strong shield inside his kit.

[ionic bison]

well i mean

if im playing against a lebron

and hes spaced out

and he turns around

its safe to assume he'll no-look pass

you dont think thats more predictable than a pass?

just curious, sorry if i come off as rude

[midnight zealot]

I forget he has a shield usually

[brisk zinc]

I dont see the utility of making no look pass if you dont have the perk honeslty

it is basically exactly the same moove

only thing is if the opponant dont know the match up he could be trap once or twice that s it

[midnight zealot]

And you can just run DTF anyway

[brisk zinc]

what s dtf ?

[midnight zealot]

Doc, that's flammable

Same burning but it's easier bc you can use standard throw, no look pass, down special, and up special as long as you follow up with a hit

[viral ember]

You can do a quick left/right on your dpad to make it seem your going to do a no-look pass and take advantage of your opponent slipping. Set them up for that so then after the few times, you then add the no look pass to mix up the gameplay in the middle of the match. Adapt overcome and improvise. You have to adjust to styles while playing.

[viral ember]

See above. The no look pass doesn’t have to do anymore damage then a regular pass, it’s more so “playing chess” at that point with his kit then trying to get more damage. Remain unpredictable.

[viral ember]

Great suggestion. Awesome perk that works well with Lebron!

[brisk zinc]

the chess is when you let the ball on the field and the opponant ask himself if he can still be hitten by it when he already got hit once

lol

[midnight zealot]

He has 3 moves that throw his ball so might as well use the perk

LeBron can kill mad early with jab 3 into up tilt into up tilt but it can be dodged out of

Got like a 40% kill of the top against Harley

[jolly plume]

not to be mean but jab 3 into up tilt doesn’t sound that good at all

[midnight zealot]

It works like 40% of the time, with each consequencal hit. I have killed at 40 a handful of times as LeBron

TL;DR: it isn't but it kills if the opponent is dumb

[late socket]

I think they mean up air?

[tranquil halo]

isnt jab3 into upair two upairs

[sage harness]

kinda yeah

[calm dune]

Marvin too

[abstract reef]

[low bear]

WE GETTING FED!

[late socket]

Did they say something about the bron?

[low bear]

just that we'll be doing a lot of reading

but they talked about him in the same vein as Velma

so yeah, they gonna cook

[late socket]

Sick

[austere spire]

meaning heavy nerf cus its deff needed

[late socket]

Lebron is one of the worst characters in the game

[austere spire]

that is the biggest lie

to ever be spoken

if you arent good with lebron thats a skill issue

[late socket]

I'm sorry you got hit with nair into up air but you just have to dodge out of the way, its not true

[austere spire]

never get up aired by bron

its always basketball spam

[late socket]

He's ranked bottom 7 under "Definitely Not Strong" by Void and Void plays LeBron

[austere spire]

is that supposed to mean something?

consider that void is just bad at lebron

[late socket]

Other LeBron mains agree hes bad lol

[low bear]

Ehhhh

I think he can cook

but it's always like, every move he has is just a tad worse than every other move other characters have

he just has tad worse juggling, tad worse damage, tad worse zoning

[late socket]

He can but most of his combos aren't true and are DI-able

[late socket]

He can only have access to two balls most of the time and you can dodge them pretty easily

[austere spire]

That’s cap

I’ve play against a lebron while he had three balls out at once

And when one despawned he’d get one right back

[late socket]

I mean he'd have to have hit you in order for that to happen

[sage harness]

Guys they're rage baiting. leave this troll alone, don't feed them

[austere spire]

definately not rage baiting

just telling the truth

[late socket]

The truth is you have bad match up knowledge against Lebron

[unreal siren]

What are the thoughts on bronbron now?

[native tundra]

lol

just dont go near them, they go away eventually unless lebron picks them up

[brazen rapids]

We'll see tomorrow

Probably slightly better but underwhelming changes I'd say

[low bear]

Honestly, I think the changes can be massive

People were just banking too hard on basketball stuff

Or dunk getting a hitbox for loops

But genuinely having a dash attack that's not worthless, as well as slightly better combo and kill power is nice

Lebron just looks like he'll be able to box out moves a lot better with sair

Which alone is massive for him paired with basketball zoning

[jolly plume]

Dash attack seems good but like I’m not sure 6 frames is enough to prevent that move from still being slow

[low bear]

It's gonna help it be a lot more active, which is what the move needed to properly stuff out other moves

cuz as it is now you need to be very specific with it

even if it's six frames

Jason's changes are like 1 frame faster all around and those single frames will go a long way

[soft kite]

Looking forward to trying new Bronny

[unreal siren]

Same.

[ionic bison]

could someone sum up in what areas lebuffed was buffed in most?

or what the buffs focused on

[brisk zinc]

Nothing crazy tbh if you were struggling with him before you ll struggle the same way after the patch

But may be not against the same characters as the top tiers has been nerfed

[jolly plume]

I mean yeah but his previously bad moves might be slightly better. Not sure moves like his sair or down tilt will now be good because of the buffs but we’ll have to see

[ripe hemlock]

Still no hit box on dunk

Unlucky

Pretty okay changes

[ripe hemlock]

Nerfs to the top tiers will help for sure, yeah

[jolly plume]

Wdym? They said that got buffed

[ripe hemlock]

It did

It’s faster, which is nice

I’m not home, so I can’t try out how much faster

[jolly plume]

Yeah but you said there is no hitbox on dunk. And they said the hitbox is increased in patch notes

[ripe hemlock]

I meant a falling hitbox

Like, on the way down

[spark forum]

I have decided to pick up LeBron now 🙏

[sage harness]

THEY BUFFED HIM

lemme test bro

Dude they buffed harley 💀

I was so happy until I read her patch notes

They buffed finn too

what is this game man

[jolly plume]

Tbf characters like Finn and Harley are characters that just naturally have the advantage over us but struggle with the other better characters.

[eager summit]

we are so back

[low bear]

Lebron just feels faster dude

idk

sair change is nutty

[late socket]

Whatever they did to nair broke it

People just fall out now apparently

[jolly plume]

I mean I haven’t had too many issues with it but the move is a lot worse.

However dash attack is actually a decent move now and ball sair is quick enough to combo with

[sage harness]

low key I can't feel the supposed "buffs" they gave lebron

[jolly plume]

Tbf the affected moves were mostly ones that aren’t really that good but basically dash attack, sair, side special, and grounded neutral attack all come out faster.

and the rest of the buffs don’t matter

[low bear]

Sair change is insane to me

like, idk why

but it feels so much better

I'm definitely been using it way more

[jolly plume]

It’s kind of insane and hilarious to spam. You can combo it into nair and you can dodge cancel sair into sair at low percents as well

[low bear]

idk how to feel about dtilt buff

it feels like I should be able to do something with the move

but every time I go for it it's not worth it over jab 2

[jolly plume]

As far as I’m concerned that move was nerfed because now I can’t convert that move into dodge jump nair as consistently or really anything as consistently. Plus that move can’t kill as well now

[brisk zinc]

I found a way to do jab jab jab with the swap neutral instead of doing jab jab nair

you just need to go sair for jab3 for some reason jab 3 is the moove instead of sair

[jolly plume]

Yeah it’s supposed to be like that

If you go for sair it’s always jab 3 but usually I like to do up air out of Jan 2 anyways cause it feels nicer

[brisk zinc]

yes totally agreed

it s even more consitant than jab 3 and also powerfull

jab 3 is just a bad moove ngl xD

[ripe hemlock]

Fair feels very nice

[brisk zinc]

sair is better but dont think this gonna make lebron a good character

[unreal siren]

ye he moved up maybe 1-2 spots

other than that

not much else

[limpid shore]

What are the best perks for Lebron?

[brisk zinc]

5%

[jolly plume]

Hot hands, flammable doc, last stand, pugilist

[limpid shore]

Seems that everyone kinds uses the last two the first one I've seen is either snowball or flammable

[crimson escarp]

Anyone find a way to reliably dunk?

https://tenor.com/view/le-bron-raymone-james-sr-le-bron-james-basketball-player-whats-up-hello-gif-17046181

And what's y'all's worst matchup for me it's Morty and Tom and Jerry anyone got tips for them?

[jolly plume]

If you mean land side special ball then the only way to land it is off jab 2 only if you are below a platform.

[jolly plume]

Joker cause their jab and up attack can just beat anything you do. As for Tom and Jerry I suggest to try and kill jerry despite it being difficult but without Jerry Tom is a lot easier to handle. As for morty you can destroy his grenades with ball or consume them with no ball down special. Dirt is a bit tricky though and if they charge dirt I suggest tossing ball to disrupt but the pillar can destroy the ball so be mindful of that

[crimson escarp]

I don't mind murdering Jerry it's just their up attacks with and without Jerry feels like an inescapable blackhole

Yo also how many wins you got??

[jolly plume]

Like 1,000

Also yeah that paddle move is really good

Which is why I fight him horizontally most of the time

[crimson escarp]

I'll have to try that more often we could go bron for bron sometime tho

I got around 2700 wins

[jolly plume]

Nice

[abstract reef]

is lebron good now?

[sage harness]

nah not really. Just slightly better than before

the nerf to down b really killed the character

[jolly plume]

I think it was the nair nerf lol down b was situational sometimes useless

[magic creek]

im going to be the best Lebron no matter how bad this mf is i swear on that 💀

if any other good Lebrons tryna play i want to 1v1 to see how others play him

[delicate mason]

Any thoughts on how to fight gizmo in singles this patch?

[brisk zinc]

hard match up but try to use pass down and smash attacks

[delicate mason]

This gizmo had over 2k wins and they knew what they were doing. Used the dancing perk which is hard to get around. Also CAR felt like it was moving in an irregular/unintended fashion even after I dodged in my opinion. Not trying to take away from them, just how I feel.

[brisk zinc]

sometimes i like to play the character I struggle against to better know the match up you ll find some solutions

[sage harness]

How exactly does one punish car?

[low bear]

I think your best bet is to genuinely time an air down special on them close to the ground

[jolly plume]

I’m not insanely good with him but I’d be down to 1v1

[stone mountain]

Chat is lebron still bad after buffs

[brisk zinc]

he s still one of the worst but he s fun to play

for real the top are still the top and the bottum are still the bottom but it feel a lil better

[spice ibex]

Without multi hitting balls or an armored side special, it is difficult to see Lebron getting out of the bottom tier,

He's still very fun though, he ballin'

[limpid shore]

I think LeBron would be better if his balls had like a max cap of how many times they can hit before they despawn

[delicate mason]

I agree with this @brisk zinc
his moves come out a little quicker but some characters just have better buttons/combos and ability to evade.

[delicate mason]

And you really have to time that side special but other characters and blast you from a random hit

[delicate mason]

I’d be fine with two because I can get 3 balls out. I use it more as a way of denying where they go

[late socket]

I want this so much

Also they need to fix nair again

It still falls out

Imo sair is the only real buff because it is really good on ledge and combos into itself with dodge cancel.

Dtilt is worse because it doesn't kill and is less combo-able, dash attack and neutral ground attack are better but pretty situational, and nair is iffy on reliability

But jab keeping moment on dodge cancel is nice

[pale charm]

I thought this was supposed to be a buff for Lebron? People keep falling out of my neutral-air, and what was the point of buffing d-tilt?

Lebron's s-air isn't particularly easy to land, but he revolves around that move now? d:

[late socket]

I mean I wouldn't say he revolves around it now but I think it's his best combo extender

Actually tbh yeah it might be his best move

I think it could be better to go for than up air just because of how fast it is

[jolly plume]

Not really it’s another move in his kit to combo with though. I still say nair is the better move for setups

[magic creek]

its a little late but if your still down we can run it

[jolly plume]

Yeah I’m down

You down?

[magic creek]

my b i just saw this lol

im still down if you are

[jolly plume]

Yeah you here?

@magic creek

[magic creek]

yeah

my WB is quickkeys

[jolly plume]

Alright give me a minute

[magic creek]

k

[jolly plume]

I sent you the invite I’m Dominator Link

[magic creek]

i added you but it says your offline so i cant invite so you have to start it

[jolly plume]

Ok

Any map preferences?

[magic creek]

long as its not townsville im good

and can we do more than 2 stocks?

nice

damn bro you are good wanna run for awhile for practice?

[jolly plume]

I’m down to practice for a bit

[magic creek]

nice

also you have crazy good mechanics if you work on your dodges a bit you will bit solid man

[jolly plume]

Ok

Also when I down special with ball don’t sit there on ledge or you will die

[magic creek]

yeah for some reason i was being really dumb that round

good stuff btw im learning new keybinds so please dont leave if i start selling really bad lol

[jolly plume]

Nah it’s all good

But I am gonna have to leave soon

[magic creek]

all good

[jolly plume]

I can do one more game here before I leave

[magic creek]

dang gg man

your pretty good

[jolly plume]

Alright gg also thanks for letting me switch controllers when mine died lol

[magic creek]

lol im not toxic like that

[jolly plume]

well sometimes people don’t notice quickly

anyways good night

[magic creek]

goodnight man sleep well

[fringe knoll]

🏀

[manic thicket]

[soft kite]

Any tips against going against bugs n Arya?

[sage harness]

pray

[native tundra]

Learn to parry arya's dodge-into-attack. It's not that bad once you practice it but then she can dash attack and that changes the timing

[delicate mason]

Bugs love air movement into neutral/side attack so time it and charge neutral attack to armor through and do damage. Time your passes and change trajectory to keep the guessing. They typically go on auto pilot with their gimmicks. I try to keep center stage since they have edge guard advantage

[cosmic parrot]

Got any tips for LeBron just started trying him out but I'm not really doing combos just throwing the ball around and praying

[jolly plume]

#1245143850490527754 message

[cosmic parrot]

Thank you

[soft kite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J0SHL4OkVw&t=2414s

this video helped me out a lot

[cosmic parrot]

Thank you as well

[delicate mason]

So pretty much Morty, Rick, Black Adam, Gizmo, Marvin are the matchups that are frustratingly difficult since they don’t have to approach Lebron to win and getting in is a crap shoot.

Also is anyone experiencing ball passing through Lebron after bouncing off an opponent sometimes?

[brisk zinc]

Guys, is the Lebron in the red basket ball outfit available somewhere ?

#clips message

[sage harness]

Yep.

That's been there since forever but the won't fix it 🤷

[jolly plume]

Yeah I mean for up special throw close range it passing through is intended. As for other stuff it be kinda janky

[crimson escarp]

The real question is is that LeBron sweat suit outfit anywhere

Anyone down to help me with the dumbass rifts im going to lose it

[late socket]

Yeah I can

[wooden harbor]

#combos message
59 damage true combo not Di able

[jolly plume]

Pretty good

[wooden harbor]

Thanks

[sage harness]

Crazy how finn can kill you at 50 with a single, non-escapable combo

The day the make DI stronger in this game is the day it won't be absolute dogwater

[keen seal]

i hate finn so much because of that 1 combo nobody genuinely tries to play him anymore from what ive been seeing

[wooden harbor]

Any “combo” character could do a 0 to death. Even LeBron

[sage harness]

No

Finn can literally put you in an INESCAPABLE 0 to death

And it's THE SAME COMBO EVERY SINGLE TIME

[wooden harbor]

Which do you disagree with LeBron can do a 0 to death or any combo character can do it

[wooden harbor]

So can Arya

[sage harness]

Do you not understand how easy it is to hit Finn's?

[wooden harbor]

Yea Finns is very easy they should nerf it. Because imo the point of 0 to deaths is that it’s meant to be hard to pull off

A 5 hit 0 to death is aids ngl

[sage harness]

The point of 0 to deaths (in a PLATFORM FIGHTER) is that they shouldn't even exist. If anything, 0-to-death should be based ENTIRELY on reads/ dodge predictions.

[wooden harbor]

Unless they remove majority of the possible combos and reduce the stun frames on all attacks. We will continue having 0 to death combos

[sage harness]

It almost feels as if DI wasn't a thing in this game

Like seriously

Does DI even exist in here?

[wooden harbor]

🤯🤯🤯🤯

[sage harness]

So there isn't DI?

[wooden harbor]

Di is huge in long combos

[sage harness]

Not really. Superman also has an inescapable combo that nullifies your DI

[wooden harbor]

You will see a big difference if you set the bot to dodge after hitstun to dodge away after hitstun

[wooden harbor]

Even di away?

[sage harness]

Yep.

Someone hit that sheet 3 times in a single match.

[wooden harbor]

What combo is that?

[sage harness]

Idk I don't play superman

Just know that it abuses the fact that you can keep your momentum A LOT

[late socket]

If they make DI stronger LeBron will die. He already struggles against different DIs, for example jab jab nair rarely working unless they DI in

[wooden harbor]

And LeBron already struggles with damage too

[sage harness]

I'm a lebron main but if lebron needs to die for the game to be less cancer, so be it

[late socket]

To me DI feels impactful enough, most of the 0-to-death combos should just be fixed by making them untrue

[native tundra]

Just DI down and back against Finn. Works most of the time for me if done fast enough. His first nair is not true, he has to follow DI to connect it but it's not that tough

[wooden harbor]

Improvement from last time. #combos message

[tranquil halo]

if only they could bring the old knockback back

[sage harness]

all that for 73 damage and finn can still kill at 20 😭

[wooden harbor]

I SWEAR BRO. I was so pissed, I don’t even feel like continuing the combo 😭

I swear agent smith has a 7 hit combo that does 70+ damage

This one was like 12 or 13 hits

[sage harness]

The game is stupidly unbalanced and I hate how they won't do crap about it

[wooden harbor]

Lebron doesn’t even get touched

[wooden harbor]

MVS is the type of game to nerf LeBron bro 💀💀

[sage harness]

IM SAYING LIKE

[wooden harbor]

How can a bruiser have so little damage

[sage harness]

He had a LONG ASS page of "buffs"

AND HE'S STILL ASS

BECAUSE THOSE BUFFS DID NOTHING

[wooden harbor]

I swear

Same is happening with Velma

Like they write buffs but nothing is changing

Stuff people didn’t even request for

[delicate mason]

Lebron has a zero to death? I never see it. I don’t have an issue with zero to death but I do get annoyed when it feels characters get it too easily since lebrons dmg output just seems to get nerfed since beta. Nerf dunk, nerf ball, Nair messed up etc.

Still having fun with him though but it’s always about reads, never autopilot like some top/stronger characters.

[wooden harbor]

Yea that’s why I can’t respect the Finn 0 to death

If a 0 to death has atleast 8 inputs then alright

[wooden harbor]

LeBron has this 0 to death if you can hit the nair

[delicate mason]

Ahhh with the platform perk. Got it.

[brisk zinc]

Bro i ll never hit that in an actual game 🤣 but gg

[late socket]

LeBron's damage is so bad that I almost zero to death'd everyone in the Smith boss fight and got timed out before I could win because I wasn't eating away at Smith's health fast enough

[low bear]

#clips message

How are we feeling about this, Lebroners?

are we beating the allegations?

[brisk zinc]

This is a subliminal message to tell you that if you dont beat Guizmo with LeBron it is a skill issue

[wooden harbor]

NEVERMIND

bro a 15 hit combo doesn’t kill???

#combos message

So basically 80 damage and 15 moves.

That means on average LeBron does about 5 damage a move in this combo.

LeBron needs a serious damage buff

[sage harness]

Exactly

He's a BRUISER

How do the guys at PFG not get this?

[wooden harbor]

They might aswell change him to mage 💀

Tanks and mages do more damage than him

[sage harness]

Yeah 💀

[wooden harbor]

And he’s in the damage class

[sage harness]

I still can't get over the fact finn can kill at 20

[wooden harbor]

Fr bro

[sage harness]

Seriously that one combo is so frustrating

It makes me wanna punch someone on the face no joke

It makes me FURIOUS

[sage harness]

(not really but you get the idea)

[wooden harbor]

I remember I was cooking a Finn

And he hit me the combo

Almost broke my controller

[sage harness]

I feel u bro

This is insane

The balancing makes me so mad

[wooden harbor]

#combos message

There we go

I found the clip

[sage harness]

Literally

[wooden harbor]

I lost this game aswell. I swear this dude would not have fun if he didn’t play cheesy

[sage harness]

He can combo anything into anything for NO REASON

[wooden harbor]

Do you know how much it hurts to have a whole stock lead(on low hp) and destroy your opponent

And still lose

Bro he didn’t even rematch

I remember I was tweaking that time 😭

[sage harness]

Dude

I wouldn't complain if I hadn't been through the same sheet 😭

[wooden harbor]

Finn didn’t even get touched for yesterdays patch

They are bugging

[sage harness]

This game is cooked if they don't fix the horrendous balance by season 2-3

[wooden harbor]

I was in an argument with someone and they was telling me the balancing was good and that I’m just bad

I told him to compare the potential with Velma and the potential with wonderwoman

[sage harness]

Prob a finn main

[wooden harbor]

Hé went silent

[sage harness]

Es q son tontos

[wooden harbor]

I wouldn’t be surprised

[sage harness]

Literally go to the finn post in this forum and look at what they're saying

some want finn to get buffed 💀

[wooden harbor]

Oh hell nah💀

But mvs is the type to buff Finn and leave lebron untouched again

[sage harness]

nah

[wooden harbor]

I would actually main lebron if he had a bit more damage but now he’s my second pick

[sage harness]

"Lebron's ball now breaks after bouncing once"

[wooden harbor]

💀

This one nerf will make LeBron d tier

[sage harness]

Literally you'd think that Lebron's ball would be able to destroy most of the projectiles in the game since it seems it's made of a durable material. But no, 70% of the attacks in the game can destroy the godamm ball

[wooden harbor]

Im still thinking about this one 😭😭
LeBron’s main worst nightmare:

[wooden harbor]

It’s actually crazy

[sage harness]

#clips message The only reason why LeBron is LeGoat

[wooden harbor]

Your actually cold asf with lebron

I only played LeBron 2 times this season om

[sage harness]

That's my best clip ever 😭

[wooden harbor]

I’m a training main cause I’m tash at playing other characters that’s not my mains

[sage harness]

That was a violation of human rights right there

That shi felt sooooo good

[wooden harbor]

I think this is my best #combos message

I also hit a 0 to death in a match but now it’s pretty basic

[sage harness]

the air walker use in the first one is so clever holy shi

[wooden harbor]

I got so used to airwalker I use it for lebron too 💀

[sage harness]

i mean

you can't do shi with lebron if u aint got air walker

And it's funny since they nerfed one of his only combo tools 💀

[wooden harbor]

You used airwalker too?

Damn someone was making fun of me for using it

Now I know I’m not the only one

[sage harness]

Everyone does 😭

[wooden harbor]

😭😭😭

[wooden harbor]

#combos message

They told me this

Thinking I was the weird one

[sage harness]

Bruh

[wooden harbor]

But damn. Airwalker is easily the best perk ngl

Well for combo characters

[sage harness]

yup

[jolly plume]

Definitely, it gives some much more combo potential for many combo focused characters. If not it allows some unique grounded move coverage in the air.

[low bear]

I just DESTROYED a Batman bro

Lebron's fun asf

[glacial lagoon]

is it just me or is finn just really damn rough to fight? can just destroy all your balls with that side special

[crimson escarp]

Bro wait till you fight a really good stripe omg that dynamite has no way to punish. And his jump move eats the ball and has a lingering hit box

[fringe knoll]

🏀

[native tundra]

Throw the ball, then follow the ball with side special. If he tries to get rid of the ball he runs into you

Obviously if he doesn't do that then you, you can get punished, but it's a good tool to have

Mostly I would say just mix up the timing of ball throw as much as possible so they can't predict you

[glacial lagoon]

i honestly just have trouble hitting him in general with ball throws too because how small he is. most of them seem to go over him

[native tundra]

Yeah no ball pass goes over his head. Use regular pass if you can

[late socket]

I think if they had a signature perk that traded a longer ball cool down or make it impossible to summon a ball for a strong but fair amount of multihit it would be the best of both worlds

I'm just reposting this in here so more people can see

[jolly plume]

Yeah I remember posting something like that for suggested buffs for lebron. It’s pretty cool imo.

Also buff lebron dmg please and have nb fair confirm into jab

[glacial lagoon]

yeah lebron damage seems very low for some reason

[crimson escarp]

I need some good ass lebrons to go band for band

[sage harness]

Finn isn't balanced. At all.

[glacial lagoon]

lmao yeah i was just playing finn like 30 minutes ago against a lebron and it was the saddest match i ever participated in. poor fella couldnt get a ball out i just ate every single one of them with side special lmao

[sage harness]

Raindog pros disgust me

[blazing patio]

how does lebrons pass to his teammate work

cuz sometimes i can tp into the air and slam dunk

[wooden harbor]

Rate my reindog combo #combos message 😎
69 damage

[jolly plume]

I rate it Nice/10

[wooden harbor]

😂😂

[jolly plume]

So when lebron throws ball his teammate can collide with it and therefore catch it. If the teammate catches the ball they can perform an attack to throw it. If an enemy is hit with a ball that a teammate throws it give the ball a unique effect that gives Lebron the ability to teleport to it using side special. The side special is also buffed being given an active hitbox while falling plus armor and shockwave.

[modest quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/future-ram-ranch-gif-18120355

The world if lebron had a good jab

[sage harness]

Lebron just needs his active hitbox on side special back to be 50% better

[blazing patio]

best perk for lerbon ?

[jolly plume]

Hot hands, flammable doc, last stand, pugilist

[fluid ridge]

sometimes I forget just how much fun Lebron is
until I play him again, peak 2v2 character pff

[fluid ridge]

of course I say then and then suddenly go on a losing streak
people just be not grabbin the ball man

[tranquil halo]

this is so real💔

[shy scroll]

lebron got some of the worst hitboxes ever

alot of his moves without ball are so garbage

and im facing tom and jerry who do a small town nuke covering half the stage every time they attack

like this game

[jolly plume]

Real

His ball moves have good frame data but trash microscopic hitboxes. And his nb moves have worse frame data and all his moves do so little dmg.

Buff bron

[fluid ridge]

I still think the ball needs to be tweaked again
letting it hit infinite times, no good
but letting it hit more then once, very good
gimme like, three hits per one ball
I mean with phantom projectiles being a thing, all they gotta do is dodge the ball once and its fully dead so its not like it'll be that big of a buff, it'll just be a fun thing

[crimson escarp]

I feel like a good change would it being able to hit after hitting a wall or the ground that way you gotta think about dodging more than once if lame ass batarang can why not basketball

[crimson escarp]

I love the new LeBron skin tho

[limpid quest]

Ohio being canon to Warner bros is insane

[soft kite]

man i cant wait for them lebron buffs... just got the warm up skin!!!

pro tip the pvp quest is for 1v1s only

[soft kite]

Did they nerf Lebron’s no ball side special?

[jolly plume]

No that was untouched

They buffed lebron no ball fair though to better combo

[soft kite]

Ok that’s a relief

[iron wind]

how is lebron now

wait

did they change him this update?

[tranquil halo]

barely

[modest quarry]

my god is ranked always this map with 3 platforms? this seems such a disadvantage for a character like lebron, the balls keep getting stuck on the higher platforms...

[left iris]

Genuinely Lebron is lacking something from the other cast he a great and fun character but most of the cast has some kind of advantage over him.

Like I get a match with Tom and Jerry and Ik I’m just cooked

Plus he doesn’t have anything special like rest of the newer characters have like good passives. Most of his off ball moves are slow and have so much wiff or windup that he get punished and his perks are not all that great

[low bear]

there's several maps

you even get townsvile with no hazards

[modest quarry]

yeah i must have been unlucky i got it like 6 times in a row and i was beginning to dread this was just gonna be the map for ranked 1v1

[low bear]

I mean

if only dair didn't suck so bad

I wouldn't mind playing on platforms with ball

I hope they eventually make it so you have more control while doing dair

rn you input it and it's like your controls lock up as you lose your speed

makes it so Lebron has genuinely no down attacks besides low pass or down special

[jolly plume]

The problem stems from a mix of terrible hitboxes and awful frame data on various moves. Like for example lebrons no ball sair has a pretty decent hitbox with good range but the move is also slow as hell. Whereas Lebrons ball sair is amazingly fast but lacks a large hitbox. And while lebrons moves usually have pretty key weaknesses most other characters just have moves with a mix of good frame data and even better hitboxes that put Lebron in the dirt.

TLDR: he has bad neutral

And on top of this his advantage state while not bad isn’t good enough imo to bring him above other characters

[uncut pasture]

hope this guy gets the ability to taunt without his ball

[empty venture]

I just made a Joker player rage quit.

Is this the ultimate dream?

[jolly plume]

It’s either that or morty rage quit lol

[sage harness]

I might just give up on playing fun characters

Ranked is absolute dogwater with the current balance of the game

[unreal siren]

lol yeah I think brons just bottom 3

Clunky with ball. Not a characte without.

If they character isnt as big as a house then bron cant hit them

[modest quarry]

if lebron hat just half as good of a jab as the other characters he could atleast get into his pretty amazing combo strings easier

[jolly plume]

I mean I think it’s more so they made his jab revolve around everything he does which makes him struggle way more cause while his jab was a good anti air it wasn’t amazing. Also now that they added a bunch of whiff on lebron jab it’s just super unsafe to go for without an opening.

like in the beta his jab was a decent tool to use now and then but where he shined was generally a lot of his other moves. For combos and such.

but now that a lot of his stuff is Jab based it makes it very difficult to do much dmg on anyone

[mild hornet]

So what are some good combos for lepookie I kinda like playing him sometimes cus hes pretty unique but I suck at using him

[low bear]

Jab jab, dodge up, dair, down special is a good link you should practice

[mild hornet]

kk

[late socket]

I'm not sure if I agree with this. It would definitely increase the balls presence as a stage hazard because you wouldn't be able to just dodge it once and not have to worry about it anymore, but it wouldn't increase his combo game with ball as much compared to just having an amount of multihit. In the jab > jab > down air > down special combo down special would hit once, phase through the enemy and then hit them upwards out of the combo

[river sapphire]

Here’s a little combo you can start with
Ball throw, run up, get ball back, down air, grounded up neutral, jump, side air

Then you can follow up with more ball

[jolly plume]

Ngl PFG should make jab 2 into jab 3 better than jab 2 into up air. Because I’d imagine most people starting or trying Lebron don’t know that jab 3 kills later and isn’t true unlike up air.

[brazen rapids]

What are the true combo routes?

Seems like a lot of stuff doesn't work anymore

I thought no ball jab into jab combo used to be a thing

[river sapphire]

Definitely agree

[river sapphire]

I know the best start ups are down special into down air or neutral air

[limpid shore]

TBH with how my controls are I don't even do jab 3 cause I have to do a forward input before doing it

[jolly plume]

Well the change will be for the majority of casual players who will do the full jab combo

[sage harness]

Yknow damm well they're not gonna do that when the first 3 updates to the game had him nerfed 💀

They HATE the character

[jolly plume]

Low key true

[simple nexus]

best perks?

[jolly plume]

Hot hands, flammable doc, last stand, pugilist

[simple nexus]

thanks

[soft kite]

I do jab jab down special up atk jump air neutral then up special

[soft kite]

#combos message

[mild hornet]

Sick

[meager halo]

nice combos

[low bear]

Well

It's official

My CPU is fried and I'm with no PC now

Keep dunking for me, bros

I believe in all of you

[river sapphire]

Replace hot hands with the grey health one
Flammable doc already inflames the opponent, and you need some sort of extra health. I fought someone with that perk set and they didn’t do very well

[jolly plume]

Hot hands allows you to do 12 dmg instead of 4 with no look pass and considering Lebron struggles to do lots of dmg compared to other characters it is very useful

[low bear]

Yeah, but you need to constantly remind yourself to turn around for the no-look. Sure you can train for it, but that extra moment could be the difference

Keep possession means you essentially have a permanent 3 HP shield against any approach by the enemy

Which stacks up

[jolly plume]

You can’t stack the gray health you can only have 3 max. Also for me personally I find no look passing it be very easy.

[meager halo]

nope

the keep possession perk gives u 3 grey health max

u can't stack it or anything

the dmg u get from hot hands is way more worth it than the 3 hp

dmg is more important in general for lebron

even the 5% dmg boost is better than the grey health perk

[meager halo]

not every throw u gotta do has to be a no look
and u don't need to train for it
it's as easy as it gets

[wooden harbor]

#combos message
Lebron 80 kill confirm

[bold vortex]

#clips message

Anyone else gotten this bug?

[late socket]

That's amazing

[jolly plume]

Bruh that is hilarious.

it’s like in beta when they had ball not be removed on whiff when you dunk and you could spam it

[empty venture]

Been playing Ranked with LeBron. This character is surprisingly not ass.

Of course i still struggle against the top tiers because they're top tiers, but still.

[sage harness]

He's not ass, but definitely WAY below average

[empty venture]

I'm used to it.

I play Jason and i played Giant in beta.

[bold vortex]

what do i do vs t&j, feels like whatever i try to do i get zoned and comboed

[jolly plume]

Try and kill jerry. Which is why at harder than it sounds because any of lebrons moves deal like no dmg so it can’t one shot jerry. But I try to use ball down attack to kill him and then it is a bit easier from there.

[wooden harbor]

W LeBron buff

He doesn’t need damage fr 😎

He just needs a nerf

[uneven finch]

rip lebron

I don't even main him but my condolences

[vernal cape]

LeBron (and Tom & Jerry) are characters I want to learn someday

I think they look fun

No idea why they keep nerfing LeBron though lol

[torn ember]

they killed lebron

actually killed him

they hate him

[ripe hemlock]

Why did they do that 😭

[sage harness]

#patch-notes message Are you actually kidding me?

[sage harness]

Always knew it.

They absolutely despise the character.

Are you genuinely saying

That they BUFFED

HARLY QUINN

And NERFED LEBRON OF ALL CHARACTERS???

DUDE

LEBRON IS BAD

NOBODY PLAYS HIM

IM BRONZE 4 WITH HIM AND IM ALREADY TOP 1k

WHAT IS THIS

PFG WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[torn ember]

fr bruh

[ripe hemlock]

Wait

I didn’t even notice they buffed Harley

💀💀💀💀💀

Yo, we’re eating good, yeah?

[sage harness]

#general message Look at this dork.

Defending the harley buff

Istg

[torn ember]

this is crazy, like lebron gets nothing ever, and then anytime we do slightly above average its just insta-nerf that kills him completely, im done with this, im uninstalling

if lebron not good, im not playing

[sage harness]

Only reason I'm staying is because Jack hasa really fun playstyle and he's a good character. The moment they nerf Jack like they did with Lebron, I'm out.

[torn ember]

i really only like lebron, so I'll give it like 3 days to revert these changes or im done

[sage harness]

Oh yeah. This person just warned me for saying "Actual clown". The reason they put on the warn was "disrespectful chat". These snowflakes make me really mad.

[torn ember]

just disrespect after every patch man

[sage harness]

Yeah same. I only play other characters because I still wanna play the game, but without being at an obvious disadvantage.

[ripe hemlock]

It’s a little silly how people don’t see the issue with LeBron getting nerfed and Harley getting buffed in the same patch

It’s not like Harley was ever in the same realm of tier as LeBron

[torn ember]

this is funny as hell

[sage harness]

Yeah. That mod I linked a couple messages above is coping HARD.

Such a loser dawg.

[torn ember]

harley dont get touched in the slightest, and when she does she gets buffs and fixes

HOW ABOUT THEY FIX LEBRON FOR ONCE?

[ripe hemlock]

You can adjust a hitbox without obliterating a character who already sucks

Every character with hitbox issues should get adjusted

[sage harness]

"her hitbox didn't work properly" actually I don't think her hip should have a hitbox for no reason.

[sage harness]

so every character

[ripe hemlock]

You got me there

[torn ember]

The jab combo buff is also useless as hell cuz no one uses the 3rd hit of the jab combo

[ripe hemlock]

Up air better

[torn ember]

just use up air

EXACTLY

[ripe hemlock]

And more consistent

[torn ember]

^

[ripe hemlock]

Actually, jab 3 needs a hitbox adjustment, no?

[torn ember]

it does, it whiffs a lot

they wont fix any of lebrons bugs tho

[ripe hemlock]

Like.
Please, help us out 💀

[sage harness]

#general message LOL someone just implied the constant lebron nerfs are racism. I'm done bro 😂

[meager halo]

wow

this character

got murdered

[ripe hemlock]

Kinda good, yeah?

[torn ember]

sadly might be onto something

[meager halo]

nope

nerfed to the ground

[ripe hemlock]

LMAOOOO

[sage harness]

You know these guys hate the character when THE FIRST 3 PATCHES OF THE GAME SINCE LAUNCH had lebron nerfs

[ripe hemlock]

Yeah, idk why they did this

For like

The 8th patch in a row

If they don’t want him to be top tier, that’s one thing, but at least make him feel

You know.
Good to play.

[meager halo]

like at the point it's not even a playable character honestly

sair nerfs

[sage harness]

PFG is just making me laugh atp

[meager halo]

and air ball down nerf

like man what is this

character literally feels slower

entire kit feels slower

[ripe hemlock]

I play low tiers in a lot of games and still have fun with them bc they feel good, but this is borderline insanity

[wooden harbor]

#general message
I said the same it’s too suspicious

[torn ember]

I dont think anyone on the balance team, maybe on any team at all, actually plays lebron

[sage harness]

The biggest nerf of them all was

The air side special nerf

Removing the active hitbox completely killed the character.

[ripe hemlock]

I haven’t seen a single soul complain about down air ball, it’s so funny

[sage harness]

I don't think they play the damm game.

[torn ember]

also true

[sage harness]

And this moderation team is... special, to say the least.

[sage harness]

Yeah, they be nerfing Lebron too much

[meager halo]

literally i feel it and it's disgusting

literally bad

[wooden harbor]

But they wanna continue buffing A tiers

It’s obvious the devs lost to lebron

[ripe hemlock]

Heck yeah dude

[meager halo]

man wait man

[ripe hemlock]

Let’s buff top 3

[meager halo]

these patch notes are not even it

[sage harness]

Notice how Lebron, the black guy and also the worst character in the game (yes, IG is better non-ironically), keeps getting nerfed but Finn and Harley, the white dudes who are A (probably S) tier keep getting buffed.

🤷‍♂️

[wooden harbor]

If anything LeBron shouldn’t have been mentioned at all and if he was he should have had a damage buff

[torn ember]

^

[wooden harbor]

Finn not getting touched is crazy. Finn is 100% top tier rn

[sage harness]

I'm just gonna say:

Morty, the "bruiser" that attacks as fast as an assasin, hits as hard as a tank and has as many projectiles as a mage hasn't received a SINGLE NERF.

[meager halo]

LeBron

Ground Side Attack 2
– Hitstun reduced
Ground Side Attack 3

• Start-up window reduced 8 frames
  Air Down Special
  – Start-up window increased 5 frames

sair feels different and slow as a start up and as it lags u in air
down special feels like it has more lag not just a start up window nerf
entire movement is slower ?

these are not even the full patch notes

[ripe hemlock]

Yeah, not nerfing Finn is actual villain behavior

[wooden harbor]

They didn’t even tell us how much hitstun

Criminal ahh devs

[sage harness]

This. Morty is one of the least balanced characters in the entire game but since barely anyone plays him, nobody complains.

[wooden harbor]

Buffing their favourite character

[jolly plume]

Bruh does nerfing jab 2 remove jab 2 into dair or up air?

like give him a dmg buff for the love of god if your removing all his combos

[low bear]

I don't care much about the jab changes, it's probably fine tbh.
THE DOWN SPECIAL NERF???

[wooden harbor]

They should remove iron giant cause it seems like he’s getting in the way of balance changes.

All they do is reduce his knockback on several different moves and then do trashy changes for the rest of the rooster

[low bear]

WE GONNA BE SETTING BALLS UP AFTER STOCKS ONLY

😭

[ripe hemlock]

Next game bro

[low bear]

BASKETBALL STOCKS DOWN 200% BRO

[jolly plume]

I think it’s to remove dair into down special like bruh. You can DI out

[ripe hemlock]

We’ll get one down special out by the time MV2 drops

[sage harness]

and it's also super inconsistent

[sage harness]

I hope MV2 isn't a thing

[meager halo]

they also shadow nerfed sair and entire speed of the kit

[wooden harbor]

I wouldnt be surprised if they gave down special a cool down at this point

[sage harness]

The only thing I know fr is that the moment Rivals of Aether 2 drops, Multiversus won't ever come back to my library

[ripe hemlock]

Yeah, the joke is it’ll never come out

[low bear]

I say let them cook.
It is a bit jarring, I agree, but if they find the right spot for a SINGLE giant character, it's going to make any subsequent giant character much smoother to add and I think that variety is welcomed

[jolly plume]

If they gonna make lebron slower they should at least buff his dmg 10 fold

Lebron already slow enough

[sage harness]

Not a joke btw

[ripe hemlock]

I believe you

[low bear]

Cool, I better not see you here after that

[ripe hemlock]

Nerfing who is probably the worst character in the game is nonsense

[jolly plume]

he now might be the worst character in the game either him or Velma

[low bear]

He's not the worst

It's crazy work what they're doing

[sage harness]

🗣️ 🔥

[low bear]

But c'mon

[sage harness]

He is

[wooden harbor]

They not gonna find the right spot. He’s been getting consistent nerfs since release. He just doesn’t fit in the game, to where he was even removed temporarily.

Iron giant is just hogging all the balance changes atp

[low bear]

We at LEAST have pass to our name and that's decent enough

[sage harness]

He literally is I'm not even joking

[ripe hemlock]

Yeah, I mean

Who could be worse than him?

[low bear]

Reindog

Garnet

[sage harness]

Watch them make the no look pass take 3 times as long as a normal pass

[sage harness]

NO???

[ripe hemlock]

Ehhhhh

[sage harness]

BRO HAS NOT MET A SINGLE GOOD REINGDAWG IN HIS LIFE

[wooden harbor]

Reindog is debateable icl

[low bear]

Jake if you squint and ignore all the bite into up air BS

[jolly plume]

Definitely not. Probably Velma

[sage harness]

sair

[ripe hemlock]

Yeah, I forgot Velma was in the game

[wooden harbor]

Banana guard

[low bear]

WW deffo bottom tier

[sage harness]

hell nah

[low bear]

Buff her more

[ripe hemlock]

That’s the only other character I could think of maybe being worse than LeBron

[wooden harbor]

Yes

[sage harness]

Definitely

[jolly plume]

Oh true she has some decent stuff

[sage harness]

https://tenor.com/view/deepwoken-i-may-finally-rest-layer2-campfire-nanoprodigy-sucks-gif-27402492

I hate this damm server

Stupid ass moderation

Stupid ass devs who know next to nothing about balance

Slow ass game

I think I'll take a break of MV ngl

[wooden harbor]

It’s crazy how they buff Harley a A tier

[sage harness]

I'll miss out on some events but I couldn't care less

[wooden harbor]

But don’t buff the worse character in the game

Velma. She didn’t even get touch for season 2 only a bug fix

[sage harness]

Watch some no life mod warn me for this lmao

[wooden harbor]

I haven’t even been playing. It’s getting boring asf for me

I need my friends to download this game for 2s

Cause 1s ain’t it no more

[glass lichen]

To the remaining Lebrons

I am so sorry for what has happened to you

[sage harness]

Also, ranked being Bo3 is just absolutely stupid

Can't have quick ranked matchups anymore

[glass lichen]

Is it like are you forced to do a Best of 3 or are you able to like optional rematch into a Best of 3?