The Iron Giant

[rich vigil]

They also technically made Ridley his canon size because the size he is in smash is roughly the same size he is in the first Metroid game

Iron Giant is like a 3rd of his canon size in Multiversus lol

[rancid sleet]

y’all just stop talking to @coarse vault, all he wants is attention and you guys just give it to him, don’t even reply to bro atp

[fluid ermine]

I'm pretty sure one iron giant had infinite burst on rage, no joke, we has bursting everytime I hit him

[abstract python]

Thats how rage mode works

5 second cooldown burst during it

Thats why we say Rage Mode is busted lmfao

But devs wanna nerf his base for some reason and refuse to address the elephant in the room

[coarse vault]

Bro who’s are u

[rich vigil]

@round surge get got nerd

[rich vigil]

Yeah on rage mode you get a shorter burst cool down

[rancid sleet]

nah clowning on a person harder in the discord is crazy

[rich vigil]

He was salt emoting and I killed him at 0 😁

[rancid sleet]

awesome

[shy shore]

hi i have a questions, how do i throw when i grab

[abstract python]

Uptilt

But honestly the best thing you can do after grab is either take them to the ledge and jab if they’re low

And instant dash attack if theyre 80 or higher

[crisp trench]

Now thats the miyagi do spirit Daniel san

[wary fox]

I only play Iron giant

I have 100 hours of playtime and its just iron giant games and lab

Thats why

[coarse vault]

Scum

[naive depot]

Why is "scum" the most used word in this server to just insult characters?

Seems unoriginal.

And a bit pretentious.

[mint python]

nah say what you want about my boy Daniel Larussso he is the original ''scum'' spammer

[naive depot]

Still. Point stands.

[rancid sleet]

Ignore him bro

He just wants attention

he’s a little baby that doesn’t know how to play the game

[mint python]

damn thats kinda mean

[rancid sleet]

all this guy does is be disrespectful and call IG players names, I think saying that he’s a baby is righteous enough

[proven orbit]

Anybody down for Ranked 2v2 with Iron Giants? 😁 Will be online a little later

[rich vigil]

It's pretty true

[coarse vault]

Yah put some respect on my name little bro

[coarse vault]

I don’t know how to play yet I’m a higher rank than u

Scum btw to

[warm skiff]

Rank check?

[coarse vault]

Grand master 40

[warm skiff]

You aint diddyking 😭

He was in this server a while ago

[rancid sleet]

cuz I don’t play ranked

I’m casual

[coarse vault]

Makes sense

[coarse vault]

Yah and u haven’t seen him in awhile right😭🙏🏾

[rich vigil]

There's no way you're grandmaster and still struggle with ig

[coarse vault]

I wonder why i struggle maybe bc he’s broken asf

And it’s hard to win when u die at 59 to true combos

[rich vigil]

Maybe you need to learn the matchup

[coarse vault]

Yah learning the match up is gonna stop yalll from killing me at 50 right?

[abstract python]

Unironically yeah what

[rich vigil]

Yes

[coarse vault]

How when’s it’s a true combos

[abstract python]

Maybe if ur di is bad

Hence learning the matchup

[coarse vault]

Nah I’m di out of correctly bro

[mint python]

erm actually your supposed to DI in and up 🤓

[full hearth]

don't try brother

u can't have a convo with em

they keep repeating the same sentence over and over

if u think the character is broken then it's ur fault

if the entire game thinks that the character is broken they're dumb

ig mains r the only one that knows the balance the most

[sinful dust]

Nice hypocritical statement

[rich vigil]

Correct which is why we know that if you're consistently struggling with Iron giant then you're doing wrong

If you're consistently struggling against any character you're doing something wrong against that character

[abstract python]

IG arguably not even top 5 and nobody at high level is saying he’s broken anymore but surely two people in the MultiVersus discord saying otherwise means he’s busted

[lyric forge]

Fighting against Marvin is a joke

[warm skiff]

Only people.who think ig is op are bad

[full hearth]

surely right 💀

[warm skiff]

Surely a rick player that somehow loses to iron giants opinion really matters

[rich vigil]

Yeah it's a really hard mu if the Marvin is like half competent at the game

I usually try to bait out a down tilt and then punish

[lyric forge]

Once you’re in the air you’re just cooked. How do you land against the orbs he can shoot directionally, especially on ledge 😆

But yes, if they know not to let you spin through projectiles all game it’s rough lol

[warm skiff]

Dodge

[mint python]

from my experiance good morty and marvin you just loose 😭

[coarse vault]

So in ur eyes there’s no broken character or match ups if ur just losing consistently it’s a skill issue

[rich vigil]

Yes

[coarse vault]

And that’s why mvs isn’t balanced at all

[coarse vault]

Bro straight up doesn’t believe that any character s are stronger than others

[rich vigil]

That's not what I said

I just think every match up is winnable

[coarse vault]

I literally just asked if there’s a suck thing as broken characters and u said no

[rich vigil]

You said "if ur just losing consistently it's a skill issue" and I agree with that

I don't think that any character is broken to the point of being unbeatable but obviously some characters are better than others

[coarse vault]

If ur losing against a broken character than it’s a skill issue?

[rich vigil]

If you consistently lose against that character against various players it's a skill issue

[coarse vault]

Bro didn’t even answer my question

[coarse vault]

What does losing to various players have to do with character itself

[rich vigil]

I literally did but ok

[coarse vault]

So if I lose to one broken character that’s ok but u if it’s different players than that’s skill issue?

[rich vigil]

I'm saying if you are losing more than winning against any specific character it's a skill issue

Every matchup is winnable

Like for example

[coarse vault]

Even if there broken

[coarse vault]

Every matchup is not winnable what are u talking about

[rich vigil]

And that's where we disagree and why this conversation will never make any progress. Agree to disagree I guess. Stay mad stay bad

[coarse vault]

Yah yall always say that im
Bad but im better than u

[mint python]

nah fr though at same skill level straight up some matchups just unwinnable

[coarse vault]

If u legit think that every matchup is winnable ur the dumbest person ik

Bro think thinks if u lose to joker as Velma it’s jsut a skill issue

Every player who abuses broken characters always says that lol

[warm skiff]

Your rick losing to ig

You suck bro

[rich vigil]

Bro does not believe in self improvement 😭🙏

[warm skiff]

Quiet down

Give up

[coarse vault]

How bro Rick not even a tier anymore

[warm skiff]

Quit atp

[warm skiff]

Rick has 0tds now

[coarse vault]

I do but the balancing in this game sucks

[warm skiff]

Double meeseeks is true now

[coarse vault]

Stop lying bro

[coarse vault]

No it’s not ur just made I clapped u with Rick

[warm skiff]

Rnme literally showed me one 😭

[coarse vault]

It’s not even true at all

[warm skiff]

It is

I tried it in lab

[coarse vault]

Show me

[warm skiff]

Gotchu

Lemme go to rnme dms

[warm skiff]

https://x.com/purgatoryj413/status/1826405242558447960?s=46

https://x.com/purgatoryj413/status/1826072864141046209?s=46

And this confirm

2 diff tweets of rick being busted

[coarse vault]

Bro In the last one he comments and says it’s not even true all the time lol nice try

And the first one he could have Di away lol

But I’ve or some nice clips going against grind and casuals as well

[coarse vault]

But stay mad bud

[sinful dust]

Wow it’s almost like this is the same thing IG players are telling you when you complain about IG death combos

[warm skiff]

Same thing with ig combos

[mint python]

damn he got you there 😭

[coarse vault]

Yah nice try bro that’s two totally different things

[coarse vault]

How

[warm skiff]

“You can DI from a 0td-rick” is the same thing as “you can DI from any iron giant combos”

[mint python]

so real

[coarse vault]

No u can’t do from them i try all the time and ricks combo takes 10 times more skill that the ig combos

And hella more situational

[warm skiff]

Your DI’ing wrong

In and up only allows jab nair up air

[coarse vault]

Ok buddy

[sinful dust]

You do realize that there is a legitimate reason why no one ever actually claims a matchup is literally 100-0, right? Matchups like that are exceedingly rare where if the opponent executes perfectly, there is zero counterplay. The only example that comes to mind is Zangief vs E. Honda in I believe the NES port of SF2 where Zangief can buffer SPD from round start and E. Honda has no invincible reversals and cannot back away due to the port changing the starting distance followed by there being a guaranteed reset after the SPD that covers every E. Honda defensive option that leads into SPD again indefinitely

[warm skiff]

Holy yap

I can’t read all that

[coarse vault]

Holy yap i understand the first part but mvs balancing is horrible

Characters are killing ppl at 30 doing 3 inputs it’s crazy

[sinful dust]

That’s nothing. I wasn’t even close to the character limit

[warm skiff]

It’s a paragraph

[coarse vault]

Bro said he could have kept going 😭🙏🏾

[sinful dust]

The same can happen in a game like Smash

[warm skiff]

It’s not a message it’s a essay 😭

[sinful dust]

Just look at heavies

[coarse vault]

Not really

What smash have u played

[sinful dust]

All of them

[coarse vault]

Ok so not a lot of ppl can kill of 3 input true combo

It jsut doesn’t happen at all

[warm skiff]

To be fair

I just watched little Mac

Kill at 25

[sinful dust]

How have you not seen things like Melee Fox shine spike at zero or Smash 4 rage up specials kill at zero or any heavy fully charged f smash after a shield break?

[sinful dust]

Mac KO punch at 20

[coarse vault]

Yah he’s also like the worst character in the game

[warm skiff]

One move kills at 20 still is outrageous

[sinful dust]

Smash has stupid early kill options at ludicrously early percents

It’s not an MVS exclusive

[coarse vault]

Yah but there very situational

Bro like why are we lying rn

[sinful dust]

Not really

[coarse vault]

It’s not i touched u at 30 and ur dead

[sinful dust]

Wobbling in Melee

[coarse vault]

Yes it is bro

[sinful dust]

Or handoffs in Brawl

[coarse vault]

Bro what

[warm skiff]

What about ROB combos

[coarse vault]

What about them

[warm skiff]

Do we wanna speak bout that

[sinful dust]

Luigi, Rob, Kazuya, Ice Climbers, etc all have death combos at zero

[warm skiff]

The TOD’s at 10 with gyro

[sinful dust]

In Ultimate

[coarse vault]

Yah ik Luigi has 0 to deaths

But there not 3 inputs

[sinful dust]

Oh big whoop it’s 5 instead of 3

[coarse vault]

And there’s a reason why ice climbers where banned in tournament as well

[sinful dust]

No they weren’t

They never were

[coarse vault]

Luigi 0 to death is not 3 inputs

[warm skiff]

Rob is literally nair gyro nair side special 😭

[lyric forge]

Yes, but he can shoot one up, and one sideways. How do you get off of ledge if sent off stage

[coarse vault]

Show me a clip bro

[sinful dust]

Down throw -> dair -> nair -> dair -> uair -> up special

So my bad 6

If you count the throw

[warm skiff]

https://x.com/griseous_ssb/status/1792222563260608706?s=46 😭

All I had to search was rob 0td

And it pops up

[sinful dust]

Spoiler alert: the combos look technical but they really aren’t

As someone who still plays Smash competitively

[sinful dust]

Forgot about Meta Knight with his ladder combos that kill at like 20 as well

[warm skiff]

Do we also want to remember melee jigglypuff

[sinful dust]

Like I’m sorry, but if you really think that Iron Giant is unbeatable and MVS is so unbalanced, you haven’t experienced Smash Brawl Meta Knight and Ice Climbers

[warm skiff]

Killing at 30 off one Input

And isn’t even the best character

[sinful dust]

Up throw rest woooo

[coarse vault]

And they were both banned from tournaments what’s ur point

[sinful dust]

Except that they weren’t

[coarse vault]

The easiest inputs ever

[sinful dust]

People wanted them banned

But they never were

Because Japanese players said no

[coarse vault]

Yes they were bro for some tournaments they were

[sinful dust]

And the US didn’t want to lose literally the entire Japanese scene at majors

[coarse vault]

That’s ur comeback to they weren’t banned is that some other ppl said they diddnt want it banned

[warm skiff]

And since then he’s been nerfed and unbanned in every single tournament

[sinful dust]

Yeah, a few locals for like half a year

[warm skiff]

So he’s not broken rn

[coarse vault]

Ok buddy

[warm skiff]

Also

Smash doesn’t ban characters

[sinful dust]

No major tournament banned MK and ICs

[warm skiff]

Cuz they are allowed internationally

No point of banning

People want Steve banned

[sinful dust]

They can’t anymore anyway because banning characters is against Nintendo’s new tournament guidelines

[sinful dust]

If you were a TO for the largest tournaments in the US and the most skilled region said they wouldn’t go to your tournaments if you banned characters, would you still ban them?

What I said isn’t “my comeback”

It’s not an argument

This is the objective reason why MK and ICs were never banned at majors in Brawl

[abstract python]

Honestly I’ve gone to realize that people won’t ever accept this character regardless of their current state

Whether its top 10 rn or bottom 3 at the end of beta

People will always hate em

Nothing you can do

[sinful dust]

Tis the life of polarizing character

[mint python]

but hes so silly though 💔 hes just an iron goober 💔

[rich vigil]

Bowser fire breath into fsmash off a shield break

[rich vigil]

Unless you live in Texas for some reason

Freaks tournaments still have kazuya banned which is super lame

[vapid elm]

People never bring up the mii ban in 4 😔

[abstract python]

Yeah cuz the mii ban was legit

Jank ass unserious character that was fast as hell if they made their Mii short and games decided solely off a moveset you couldn’t predict

If Miis were broken in ult theyd either get banned the same way or youd have to reveal the moveset before the match

In smash 4 you had to guess if the Mii was running helicopter kick or uppercut to DI and if you guessed wrong you could lose a stock off that

And thats only one move

Each slot had 4 different things you could have run

Albeit up special was usually between the 2 cuz they were blatantly better

[vapid elm]

I don't think miis would have broken the meta if they were unlimited, at least no more than bayo did.

the ban seemed more "I don't like it" than "this will break the meta"

I'm pretty sure the reason they're unlimited in Ult is because everyone else forgot they existed 😔

[sinful dust]

They technically didn’t ban Miis. They just forced you to use medium size Miis with the 1,1,1,1 moveset

Aka the moveset that makes them all low tier

[coarse vault]

Scum btw

[vapid elm]

that's not what mr miyagi would want you to say

[coarse vault]

Yes it’s the miyagi do way🗣️

[rich vigil]

I refuse to believe iron giant is better than mid tier anymore

This character gets wrecked in so many matchups

And Istg nair just goes through people half of the time

And then when it does actually hit characters fall out sometimes especially, smaller characters

And up special only connects 40% of the time it feels like

It really feels like his only redeeming quality as of rn is rage mode

And even then it's not as good in 1s

[abstract python]

I gotta get more opinions cuz I lowkey dont know the top 10 in this meta

like this meta got me thinking taz is top 10 which is crazy cuz that ain never happen since his buggy beta days

not to mention im a giant onetrick so ion know the meta too well outside of him

like I have no clue if batman fell off or is it just giant having a hard winning matchup

or if TnJ still amazing or is that just the IG matchup being awful

I gotta play more characters dude lmfaoo

[frigid reef]

shaggy, agent smith, taz. it's kind of a bruiser meta at the moment

[abstract python]

smith??

i understand the other two but what has smith been doing

[frigid reef]

his jab as always been great and his side-air is annoying to deal with. easy to ko off-stage with his grab having super armor

they also made it easier to confirm after doing a grounded up-attack so, that's also something

[crisp trench]

CURSE YOU IG

[frigid reef]

people give him too much credit. he's not good for 2v2s, that's supposed to be the gamemode everyone plays

[shy shore]

It's mainly cuz custom moves aren't a thing anymore

People considered the miis specials as customs

So they forced Miis to play on 1111 with Medium Mii

So they were dog

Which was a really dumb decision

[vapid elm]

It was really weird.

[little garnet]

dude how do i do anything as this character in doubles

as long as they have a little bit of a brain and don't attack at the same time its impossible to dodge anything

[rich vigil]

This character is lowkey busted in doubles

You do kinda have to rely on having a good teammate tho for giant to work

So if you're playing with randos then you might encounter some problems

But for doubles equip wrong side of the bed and spam rage mode

[little garnet]

maybe i just have abominable teammates then because i feel like i cant get a move out

[coarse vault]

Scum

[abstract python]

giant plays backline unless he has a specific teammate built for allowing him to frontline (Black Adam, Steven)

he sits right behind his teammate and throws out car and uptilt

and covers options for his teammate

until he gets ragemode

Giant frontlines when he has rage mode and/or when his teammate wants to perform a setup and needs time that Giant is good at buying (ex TnJ tennis wall, morty grenandes, Shaggy charge)

This all goes out the window if u have a good steven or black adam teammate tho lmfao

Black Adam spams uptilt with the perk and downtilt while giant lugs around making space

and just goes in and claps if giant is in any danger

Steven is the exact same thing, setup watermelon and give giant the bubble, go in with neutral special if giant needs help

[fluid ermine]

I really don't understand how to combo this character after the auto tech patch, I used to ground bounce him so he can't do anything but that doesn't work that much anymore

[abstract python]

What character do u play

[river pond]

read the tech? it's almost a 50/50

[crisp trench]

air neutral

[fluid ermine]

Morty, I believe it's a good matchup for him but I'm having a rough time since almost all his tools make him ground bounce (Sair 2, Stun gun, dair)

I try to juggle but it's a little bit hard since the nair of iron giants sucks me and I'm always in danger of getting the nair up air combo

[mint python]

you dont really want to/ need to combo giant on morty tbh

just play safe on a distance with stun gun and dirt ig has no answer to that

[rich vigil]

Yeah just whiff punish with dirt

And combo off of that

[fluid ermine]

I don't want to be the dirt spammer but I guess that's what I need to become so I can win against this giant 🫡

[crisp trench]

yup

[rich vigil]

Just be careful because if you do dirt while close to Iron giant, he can sometimes punish with a dodge boosted nair or jab

[abstract python]

Morty just cant really do groundbounce stuff at all anymore, Your best bet against Giant is spacing with Dirt and doing sair > upair

I know Morty can also throw a grenande with the juggle so Giant is forced to respect him

overall ur kinda just doing dirt and trying to land upair

sair > upair is true against giant at much higher percents than the rest of the cast too

[mint python]

yeah theres litteraly no counter to dirt if you do is from a somewhat safe range its quite silly

[frigid reef]

i tried not playing Iron Giant. it's so boring to deal with the shimmying 😭

[grim oxide]

Can I ask y'all a question
What are Iron Giant mirror matches like??? Are they fun or awful?
He's such a weird character I'm so curious

Can I ask y'all a question
What are Iron Giant mirror matches like??? Are they fun or awful?
He's such a weird character I'm so curious

[rich vigil]

Awful

It's actually one of the only matchups I feel that involves no skill

It's just whoever gets their rage mode off first wins

[abstract python]

IG mirror is the most braindead mirror of any fighting game ive ever played

ive gotten 3 stocked by bobo and then 3 stocked him the very next game

its zero skill involved literally just pray ur move hits first

[sinful dust]

Literally the worst mirror match in the game. Whoever hits first wins. IG has an infinite on himself, so you just die to anything if you don’t have burst

[wary fox]

not true

[sinful dust]

It’s not technically an infinite, but you can usually kill off of a single jab or nair

[wary fox]

nope you just have to di correctly

[warm skiff]

I hit it on you uncle

What we yapping on

[wary fox]

its a loop not infinite/tod, you get out of it

[rich vigil]

Why'd you get hit then

[coarse vault]

Scum

[warm skiff]

The iron peak

[shy shore]

How do you win against morty side b and tom & jerry jab loops? I feel like its impossible

[mint python]

the funny thing is you dont

[shy shore]

So it’s actually impossible

[mint python]

not impossible but yeah you do just have to count on them being really bad for the most part

[crisp trench]

playing more passive

but if theyre in masters , yeh its impossible

[abstract python]

morty dirt u gotta play really patient and pray they mess up

tnj paddle is just play passive until u get bolts and kill jerry

both very hard lol

[coarse vault]

Scum

[rich vigil]

I'm just going to assume that everytime this guy says scum it's because he lost to an Iron Giant

Probably got 3-stocked too

[mint python]

dudes just on his scum grind

dont hate respect

[fluid ermine]

I don't like iron giant jab

I don't think it's that crazy but sometimes it hits me for no reason

At least I can dair him when I can

[rich vigil]

The 2nd hit of jab 1 has an INSANE hitbox for some reason

The 1st hit is pretty tame though

[shy shore]

Yeah Jab 2 some dark twisted magic that shouldn't have been let loose

Idk what they were cooking

Hits from like a whole 2 supermans away

[rich vigil]

Low-key he needs it

every other move loses every trade

[coarse vault]

They don’t know the grind fr

Scum

[crisp trench]

get hit by side b lol

[sinful dust]

Is Taz even winnable?

[frigid reef]

yes. u have to be good at parrying

[warm skiff]

Nair

[rich vigil]

Depends on if they abuse the up special glitch or not tbh

[sinful dust]

Didn’t work. I just got hit

[coarse vault]

It’s bc ig is broken

Scum

[charred loom]

Hello, what you consider his best signature perk.

[crisp trench]

yeh, sometimes when theyre going for an air side special i quickly get them with the command grab

only way i can win against em lol

oh btw how many igs are in grandmaster

[rich vigil]

Definitely wrong side of the bed

Afterburners isn't necessarily bad but it's just not worth using when you can get free rage charge

[charred loom]

But, is only 15 % of charge.

Really a that worth it?

[mint python]

yeah

rage mode is just that good

[charred loom]

I never really needed that 15% extra rage meter, it's gained in a simple combo. Always well rounded

[mint python]

lots of times i die right before i get it on a stock though

[wary fox]

i'm using 5% except for the mirror matchup

[abstract python]

Wrong Side of the Bed or Well Rounded works either way for 1s

In 2s ur throwing if u dont have Wrong Side tho

Free rage mode 30 seconds in

[wary fox]

yeah i meant in 1s

[coarse vault]

Scum

[tired flax]

What are we some kind of iron giant

[dusky stump]

dont dash dance while doing up special

[crisp trench]

Left right left right

[tired flax]

imma learn IG today any tips before i start

[mint python]

get good at iad nair

[tired flax]

already do that with jason so i have that down

[sinful dust]

Use rage mode whenever you can to become top 1 best character

[rich vigil]

Jab IAD nair into fair on di out

On di in jab nair up air

At higher percents you can lead those into up special

[frigid reef]

learn to use up-special a lot

[wary fox]

up special works at 0 on di out i think

which is a 0 to death in some cases

[abstract python]

yeah IG can do up special 0TDs on di out if he has bolts

[wary fox]

why bolts ?

there are 0td with bolts on any di

but without, too in some cases

[abstract python]

oh yeah I forgot about the other ones

oopsie

🙀

mb

[wary fox]

bolts into up special being true is insane

[tired flax]

Yo h377 it’s me your buddy ticketoe420

You’re GM tell me how do I play the iron buddy

[wary fox]

i dont remember sorry but if you're jason you probably rolled me before

[tired flax]

I made you quit before after a stock that was like last week I think

You don’t play nerdy tbh

[wary fox]

yeah not surprised

[wary fox]

what does that mean

[tired flax]

You don’t do jab jab nair only

Meaning you don’t use only 2 moves exclusively

[rich vigil]

You right you right

[rich vigil]

Oh wait

You're the one that made top 8 at until the Multiversus the other day right

[tired flax]

Yeah into the multiverse

I did another tournament and got second

[rich vigil]

Good stuff dude, especially as Jason

[tired flax]

I’m learning IG since I wanna see the difference in tournament play tbh

It’s gonna be weird not playing a low tier tbh

Highest C is low in this game tbh

I hope to learn some IG techs tbh

[fluid ermine]

I don't think he has that many techs but for sure that is a powerful character once you learn him, btw your tournament run was crazy, props to u

[frigid reef]

IG has a tech where he can eat planted metal without having to go through the animation of eating it. u just have to press jump and quick neutral-attack twice at the same time. it used to be kinda sick before they changed how aerial neutral-attack works

[abstract python]

He can eat while ur spinning car as well

[frigid reef]

really? that's tight!

[coarse vault]

Scum

[little garnet]

is car a disjoint

[abstract python]

Yeah

It depends on what ur challenging though

It disjoints and beats out some things and then just loses to others

[little garnet]

that's great

[coarse vault]

Scum

[warm skiff]

Say this to the shaggys bro

More scummy than ig

[mint python]

win because you get hit to 100 dmg or win because you cheesed a kill

tough choice

[coarse vault]

Yah it’s a very tough choice

[frigid reef]

i've been kinda cooking. i was hoping that they nerfed Iron Giant sense he weighs the most and then i'd pick the next character in line or a character that has bad matchups vs Iron Giant

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/profile/wb/66562fa1d2fc6093a6cc9d8f/overview

[coarse vault]

Bros public enemy number 1😭🙏🏾

Scum tho

[frigid reef]

IG keeps the game balanced atm

[coarse vault]

rage bair

bait

[mint python]

rage burger

[frigid reef]

if IG wasn't "scum" who would u say that about? 🤔

[tired flax]

Funny enough I agree

He’s pretty balanced

[coarse vault]

I say that to a lot of characters that are scummy

Ig can never be balanced bro

He’s either gonna be super good or super bad until they reduce his profile

[warm skiff]

Let’s not act like joker can never be balanced

Ig has been mid before

Joker is never going to drop below A tier

[coarse vault]

He can they jsut choose not to nerf him

[warm skiff]

Which chats get the scum treatment

[coarse vault]

Idk go check

[crisp trench]

IG, BA, Jonkler, TnJ, Taz

[warm skiff]

Why taz

Taz sucks

[crisp trench]

And steven

[crisp trench]

20 dmg nair that can combo into anything

[warm skiff]

It only combos into sair and dair

[crisp trench]

Like I found out even nair+ side air is true

[warm skiff]

Bugs is worse

Bugs should get the scum treatment

[crisp trench]

12 dmg nair, meh

[warm skiff]

Kill confirms at 50

That starts at any move

Expect neutral attack

[crisp trench]

Meh

Id rather get mauled by Bugs tbh

Atleast the have some creativity

[abstract python]

No they dont

The creativity is jab>uptilt>nair

Sandbox into upair

Rinse repeat

Or maybe im just biased

[crisp trench]

Ah yes, the council of giants have decided that Bugs is worst

Once again

" Council of giants " goes a bit too hard ngl

[warm skiff]

Bugs is in the debate for best character in the game

Along with shaggy joker ww and ba

[crisp trench]

ww

Hmmm

Yeh maybe

[crisp trench]

If vro looses his nair its joeover

[coarse vault]

Bro doesn’t know

[crisp trench]

shaggy

[coarse vault]

Taz isn’t the best in the game but he’s a degenerate character

[coarse vault]

Yah him to

[crisp trench]

right

[coarse vault]

And I was saying bro doesn’t know to carry about taz

[frigid reef]

has anyone found any use for down-air yet?

[abstract python]

afterburners and doing it into cannonball when u land orb offstage

thats literally it

[frigid reef]

oh dang. how many frames would the opponent be out of hitstun if I tried to go for jab 1 into down-air?

[sinful dust]

It’s too slow for jab dair

You might be able to jab dair against someone in burnout but that might not even work

[frigid reef]

even with IAD? i just feel like i never use down-air anymore and i replaced it with down-special

[abstract python]

good lol

dair is useless

grab and dair are moves ur almost never using unless in a very specific situation

[sinful dust]

Yeah I only use dair with afterburners

Unless I go for the cheeky cannonball off stage into dair

[warm skiff]

Afterburners against supes

But I never take off rage mode perk

[abstract python]

what makes it specificaly good against supes

[frigid reef]

i see. one more question, does speed-force assisted work in the air or is it just for grounded movement speed?

[abstract python]

I have no clue tbh

but if ur running it on giant then full stop

No Last Stand on Giant = throwing

[frigid reef]

ye i've been using it on IG and I won like, 9 times in a row. i can't tell if it makes neutral-air easier to hit or not

[rich vigil]

Sometimes can combo into nair

You can also do jab IAD dair at like super high percents

[frigid reef]

what do u consider a super high percent? even though it's rare, i've been having a tough time fighting Iron Giant as Iron Giant. it wouldn't just work at 0% on the bigger guys?

[rich vigil]

I was thinking like 160-170

As Iron giant you usually kill people before they get to that percent

I haven't tried jab IAD dair in the mirrormatch so idk

[abstract python]

jab iad dair is useless

by the time it works on every normal character they can die to jab 2 > nlight

and giant mirror jab reverse nair does the same thing but no meter consumption

dair is jus trash

they needa buff it and grab when they nerf rage mode fr

[frigid reef]

in the beta, jab 1 > down-air > grounded side-special was a combo. i think grab has more lag on it now so, they probably should buff down-air

[warm skiff]

Cancels ice

[coarse vault]

Scum

[jagged flint]

yo anybody got any advice on fighting tom and jerry lol

i feel like i only ever win 1 out of 3 games i can hardly touch the little shi

[abstract python]

Cannonball Jerry whenever possible
Only approach when bolts is off cooldown so you don’t take 180 off every interaction

Giant’s worst matchup imo

[rich vigil]

After fighting HardcoreFox I agree

That guy is hardcore carried

[abstract python]

Me staring at the screen after HardcoreFox lands a single uptilt (I am going to take 180 and die off two interactions on the heaviest character in the game)

[coarse vault]

Yall deserve it anyways

Scum

[primal oak]

lol

[frigid reef]

i am interested to see what they're going to do to Iron Giant. what do y'all think will happen?

[last steppe]

Hello IG mains id like to learn your charactet

[rich vigil]

Considering he's been mostly left alone the past couple of patches I gotta feeling that'll happen again in season 3. However I'm hoping for rage mode to be nerfed and for the base form to get some compensation, like buffs to dair or grab or making nair and up special more consistent

[rich vigil]

Jab and nair are your friends, they lead into basically all of your combos. All of your combos are DI dependent. On DI in you can do jab nair up air and then you can try and follow where they dodge to get a juggle or a kill. On DI out you can do jab IAD nair fair or sometimes up special. Up special is really good at killing but it leaves you vulnerable if you miss and a lot of times people fall out after the first hit. You can sometimes use cannonball to get down quickly and if you hit an opponent with it you can dodge out into a fair, nair, or jab. It's also alright for people hanging on the ledge because it has a pretty big hitbox underneath it. You should also learn what combos you can escape without the use of bolts because you basically only get one per stock. Rage Mode is busted, always abuse it. You can basically just mash and get away with it like 60% of the time but I usually just spam rockets and try to land an orb and then combo from there. Also when you're in rage mode, your bolts recharge every 3 seconds so you can spam that too. Keep an eye on your fuel while offstage. You have very limited options when you're out of fuel and if your opponent is good they will exploit that.

That's all I can think of rn

[coarse vault]

Holy yap session

Scum

[primal oak]

Lmao

Bro just here to hate

[rich vigil]

I hope your favorite character gets added to Multiversus just for the game to get shut down 2 weeks afterwards

[primal oak]

That’s too far man

[coarse vault]

They alr added him and gutted him😞

I’m on my revenge arc rn

[coarse vault]

There’s nothing I love more 😈

[primal oak]

Who??

[coarse vault]

My baby boy Rick

[primal oak]

Oh

😔

Thought it would be someone underrated like Jake or something

[coarse vault]

Nah not even

Rick used to be goated

Now he jsut a camp bot

[rich vigil]

Oh poor baby

He plays a mid tier

How tragic

[coarse vault]

He’s bottom tier scum

[crisp trench]

Imagine if they add Mr miyagi

[full hearth]

i really wonder what will happen to this thing that's called a character in season 3

[rich vigil]

No matter what happens you'll still complain about losing to him

[full hearth]

yeah everytime i see ur pfp i imagine that's the person speaking

what's funny is i remember talking to bobo and he literally sounded like he knew nothing bout ig

so i might take that for all ig mains

😭

[rich vigil]

Bro hates Pac-Man 😭

[rich vigil]

I can't speak for bobo but I personally love iron giant

I love the movie

Everything about it is perfect

I love how it hints that he comes from a race of planet destroyers but was turned good

[full hearth]

then love the movie

who said i hate ig

i hate ig in mvs

he is not a character

[rich vigil]

He is definitely a character, he just requires adaptation to fight and Multiversus players hate adapting

[full hearth]

i'm fighting h377

[rich vigil]

Lol

[full hearth]

u reckon how early he killed me more than a time

he is a good ig he can read

he is literally #9 world rn

just take a guess how early i got killed multiple time

skill issue ig

since he is a good ig and can read

every other character can kill this early and easy but people r just idiot

[full hearth]

adapting ?

what's funny is people r saying that hardcorefox r carried

not people sorry

ig mains

😭

#clips message a " character "

[wary fox]

HAHAHA bro got traumatized you dont even wanna try anymore

[full hearth]

yeah sorry bro i would rather have fun playing the game

playing against u would be a waste of time

[wary fox]

i dont really care i just think its funny

[full hearth]

" learn the matchup " incoming

[wary fox]

yeah you could but ive already said it

and you still do the same thing

[full hearth]

lol go ahead brother enlighten me, how can a lebron win against ig

since it's a matchup thing and i'm an idiot and everyone that mains ig and ig only knows that it's always a matchup thing

have u ever even lost to a lebron

LOL

[warm skiff]

Iron giant isn’t getting nerfed hard

Nakat was talking about keeping igs advantage state amazing

So I’m assuming another bolt nerf

To nerf his defensive side

[rich vigil]

You think it'll be cool down or knockback

I think knockback I could handle

[wary fox]

its already once per stock pretty much

[rich vigil]

Another cooldown nerf would be depressing

[wary fox]

in 1s

[rich vigil]

Maybe it'll nerf bolts while in rage mode

[wary fox]

rage mode will probably be gutted

i hope so

[rich vigil]

I'll only be ok with it if they give us buffs in other areas

[wary fox]

i dont ig needs buff besides his hurtbox not gonna lie

[rich vigil]

I do

Characters fall out of nair a lot

Especially characters like Harley and Bugs

Characters fall out of up special a lot too

[wary fox]

nair hitbox is already insanely good though

[rich vigil]

Yeah but like

It doesn't function correctly half of the time

It doesn't matter if it's gotta big hitbox if people just fall out of it

[wary fox]

normal nair works normally, but sometimes yeah i notice with iad nair players tend to escape

[rich vigil]

I've had smaller characters escape normal nair

[wary fox]

it requires good di to escape it

so thats a reward if you know how to di

oh really i havent noticed

[rich vigil]

IAD shenanigans doesn't explain people just straight up falling out of up special though

[wary fox]

doesnt it still do it to you ? for me its fixed

it doesnt happen anymore

[rich vigil]

Oh yeah you did say they fixed that I forgot

[full hearth]

reading this conversation is unhealthy for the normal human brain

[rich vigil]

I haven't played since the maintenance period I've been busy with schoolwork

Ok nvm what I said about up special

Nair is still inconsistent tho and I'll stand by that

[full hearth]

Tnj new up grounded infinite can be inconsistent tho and I think it needs a buff 🤡

[warm skiff]

You literally suck quiet down 😭

[rich vigil]

Iron Giant nair isn't an infinite

[full hearth]

When did I say it was

It’s a move so insane and easy to hit n so rewarding to the point that depending on u if ur using 2 braincells or not it will combo into a 0td easily

So yes they should buff it

I 100% agree with u

[warm skiff]

Ig doesn’t have a 0td if the opennent does the correct di

[mint python]

me when i get read so i litteraly got predicted and lost 😦

[rich vigil]

I don't think it should be like buffed buffed, i just think it should function correctly

[wary fox]

bolts up special

on most maps

[warm skiff]

There’s combos without bolts

I just save it for defense

[wary fox]

yeah same

[warm skiff]

I use it on offense sometimes

[wary fox]

you mentionned 0td

[warm skiff]

But it’s inconsistent

[wary fox]

on last stock its good

[warm skiff]

The bolt bounce

[rich vigil]

I only use bolts offensively if I'm trolling

The head slap when he's out of bolts is also really funny

[warm skiff]

You doing next into the multiverse?

I saw it’s not regional locked

[wary fox]

oh really

maybe if it is at a reasonable time

[mint python]

i just spam it after match its the best taunt

[wary fox]

using bolts offensively is matchup dependant for me

if the opponent has strong advantage state i save it for defence unless it is last stock

if its like morty i only have one chance to get to him so i use bolts to kill him

but tnj i wont because hes gonna 0td me

[coarse vault]

I would never stop playing the game

[abstract python]

yeah I only use bolts on offense if they can't loop me

or just have some nasty advantage state like bugs

[coarse vault]

Scum

[warm skiff]

I don’t know if eus just bad

But every time I get a eu player

They get cooked against me

[wary fox]

Its just different because i also often win against good na players

but also lose to eu sometimes

its just diff

also we are like 3 iron giants so if you play differently its unexpected

i was told by na players they never saw an ig play like me, its just really different

[warm skiff]

I mean best eu player I played was like fantome

And he got 3 stocked

Or like g3 idk

Beat both of them

[wary fox]

I dont even know who that is

[warm skiff]

Was makmats old duo? Harley

[wary fox]

I guess he doesnt play anymore. If you beat him when ig was the best character its not the same too

[coarse vault]

Scum

[warm skiff]

Scum (up special spammers)

[frigid reef]

how many days 'till the update?

[rich vigil]

4

It's on Tuesday

[frigid reef]

ty

[coarse vault]

Scum

[frigid reef]

omg they increased aerial momentum on all down-airs I think

[abstract python]

approach with nair is awesome sauce

hopefully ppg doesnt harras us

[frigid reef]

nah, it's gonna be Banana Guard this time around. I made a combo video where he could do 36 or 42% in 3 hits and now they gave him longer combos

[abstract python]

Yo we are COOKED

rage mode got taken out back and SHOT

and no more nair loops aswell

[frigid reef]

might be time to drop the game

[abstract python]

Nah ive taken another look

It could potentially be good

Atleast for 1s

In 2s he defo got shot

Rage mode carried

But 1s if their groundbounce stuff works

Jab > Downtilt > Dash Jab

Into force tech and read with nair for extensions

It could work out

Tons of labbing required

[rich vigil]

I'ma hold out hope until I can get in the lab

[frigid reef]

jab > grounded down-attack > reverse neutral-air > dash > grounded down-attack. calling it right now

[slim drift]

@wary fox

[wary fox]

👀

[slim drift]

look at dms

[shy shore]

😭

[frigid reef]

when does maintenance finish?

[mint python]

rage mode actually got taken out back and shot

[rich vigil]

Not really

Just made it fair imo

I'm more concerned about the nair changes and the fact that they didn't address people just falling out of nair and up special

[deep idol]

yea it just seems like they took out the burst spam. yeah its gonna be harder to use rage mode if you getting jumped but otherwise its still good

which is neat

im grateful

[frigid reef]

ooo. no more IAD out of jab

or grounded down-attack

[shy shore]

new nair feels so odd

u can do nair dodgeboost sair off the side

just have to risk dying if u miss

feels really inconsistent which way itll send now

[rich vigil]

Is maintenance over?

[shy shore]

ye

been over for lke

20 mins or so

[rich vigil]

Oh nice

Can't wait to get home

[shy shore]

yeah so u just

cant do any iad aerials anymore out of jab

which sucks

[abstract python]

yeah this character kinda has zero combo game now

[shy shore]

so if u wanna do jab into a nair then youll have to hope they dont know how to escape jab jump nair

[abstract python]

if you combo start with nair you cant do reverse nair cuz that forces ground bounce

[shy shore]

hes a mixup monster now

[abstract python]

and Giant cant follow up on tech away

cuz hes too fat

They made him like Morty where he wants to do tech groundbounce stuff and is too large to do anything about tech away

also his grab and green orb

u mash out so quick now

he cant charge anything

[abstract python]

Pros:
-Downtilt is a useful combo ender if ur near offstage
-Better offstage/edge-guard game now that nair sends downwards
-Jab > Uptilt is true on all DIs
-Rage Mode is still good because you still have infinite rockets and down special
-Blind Spot Guard replaces Pugilist as the 3rd slot
-Still has the Jab2 > Up Special tech

Cons:
-No IAD after Jab, making his routes limited, especially if combo starting off nair
-Forces techs that he cannot consistently follow because of his speed
-Both Side B stuns are easier to mash out of
-Dair is still mid, 5% or Wrong Side of the Bed likely remaining his best options
-Vertical kill options do not exist due to the loss of nair conversions
-Slower movement speed on start on up special makes his neutral worse

[shy shore]

What can I use uair for? Seems useless lol

good for killing

Is there a route that finishes with uair

[rich vigil]

I don't think so but I haven't labbed anything personally

[shy shore]

I’ve been labbing and found nothing

[abstract python]

Recovering now lmao

Giant has no o killa

Vertical kills

[shy shore]

So they nuked him

They just killed his whole combo game

Sad

[abstract python]

hes still got a few things with reverse nair reads and stuff

but killing at 60 with upair is nonexistent

[coarse vault]

Scum

[deep idol]

iron giants combo game is actually gone now cause of air neutral

[rich vigil]

How are you still saying scum after the patch notes

[abstract python]

Please just make nair knock your opponent in the direction Giant is facing I beg

Thats the only change I want

Im okay with everything else

Its super inconsistent rn to the point where I think its bugged

[deep idol]

i hope its bugged

also i feel iron giant should have armor towards the end of his dash. no way a hit should be stopping a 2 ton robot from falling with his weight

plus the amount of endlag it has regardless of if it hits or not is insane

[frigid reef]

any more new combos yet?

[coarse vault]

Bc I might just be the #1 ig hater

[rich vigil]

Davis will always be the biggest hater

That mfer played IG in bracket out of pure spite

[rich vigil]

Now that I've finally gotten the chance to play iron giant I don't think the changes are even that bad

He's just gonna take some getting used to

[deep idol]

he has no combos man

[rich vigil]

Yeah he does

Nair into grab

Jab nair air side special angled down

You just gotta get some reads

[deep idol]

im gonna have to try these, the grab one i cant ever seem to hit

[shy shore]

its the backhit of nair

psure u hit the back hit of nair, it sends towards you

then it has to ground bounce

then u can grab them

but u have to do the grab in advance so sometimes its just wonky

i havent done it myself but from the clips i saw u have to get a bit of a bounce on it

[abstract python]

I still hate the new nair but lowkey everything else is fine, just gotta start using the jab3 up special cancel

[frigid reef]

myan, I almost dropped Iron Giant completely. everyone just running away as Powerpuff Girls and spamming side-special the entire match. can't do anything about it

[coarse vault]

Nah id win

[deep idol]

i quit playing today cause iron giants nerfs ontop of everyone just spamming and powepuff girls being mad unbalanced

[jagged flint]

damn ig feels a lil weird now first game on man cant jab to nair anymore 😦

[rich vigil]

You can do it a raw nair if your opponent doesn't know how to di

But like that's it

[abstract python]

reverse nair to catch di in and up still works

but yeah iad nair is dead

[frigid reef]

I was thinking about doing the same. no other character feels cool to play

[jagged flint]

I feel that, I think imma just keep pushing w him as my main I love the boy too much

I wonder if there will still be any long lasting GM IGs in 1s this season

[fluid ermine]

Still stressing to play against this character tbh everytime I'm with a massive fear of "If he touchs me one time I'm screwed"

Btw is it true the burst -> dodge jab?

Sometimes I feel like I can't escape that, maybe it's because of a ground bounce

[rich vigil]

Sometimes yeah cus of ground bounce

[floral turret]

So best combo for the giant?

[rich vigil]

I've been doing jab nair and then after that I just follow the opponent. I'll either dash forward and do another jab or do a fair or do a down angled side special, whatever I think will work in the moment. You can sometimes combo side special into a dash forward jab and then either nair and do the same thing again or do an uptilt/down tilt/ neutral attack to finish off the combo

[frigid reef]

I think jab 1 > jump > dodge > nair is true on DI-in, kinda hard to tell. this character is booty cheeks now tho. way too slow

[rich vigil]

Eh not really

I think if anything he's slightly worse than before but I don't think he's bad

[abstract python]

jab 1 > reverse nair does the same thing consistently without the dodge and

I think he's DK now: Mid Tier with awful matchup chart

hes way out of top 10 talks now tho especially with rage mode actually fightable

[rich vigil]

Honestly he should have never been in top 10 talks after the mid season nerfs in season 2

In 1s anyways

[sick atlas]

Mind me asking what is the point of reversing the nair?

[abstract python]

catches DI in and up

lets u land another jab

doesnt work on di out so its a read

but ur safe on whiff if they do di out

[sick atlas]

jump nair catches that no?

[abstract python]

so its cool

[abstract python]

yeah but jump nair only gets u sair now

reverse nair gets u jab

[sick atlas]

yeah depends, if I jump nair, I can diag airdodge into the ground for a rejab but its kind of whack

I got top 40 IG last season so Im not talking completely out of my ass

I honestly thing he is a lot worse now, also less fun to play Idk

[abstract python]

thats the thing

u gotta dodge to even MAYBE get the nair

jab*

reverse nair is consistent with zero dodge meter

for the exact same result and option coverage

[sick atlas]

does reverse nair pull them to your other side again (asuming you hit nair 1)?

[abstract python]

nah it puts them right in front of u

[sick atlas]

Charged nair leading to ground bounce grab is nice but honestly, the dude has lots most of his pressure

[abstract python]

lemme post sum so I can demonstrate it without sounding like a xanax addict

#combos message

[shy shore]

IG went from top to mid in one patch & T&J still has all the charge up tilt into Jerry throw (which still kills him) 😭

T&J isn’t even fair against IG :/

[sick atlas]

6 patches of full nerfs finally took him down, I understand him being frustrating to play vs I think but still, honestly close to ruining the character (and the game) for me, but maybe he has potential

[abstract python]

I got him mid tier now

by no means useless but hes never getting the results he did before

all his losing mus from last patch got even worse save for TnJ

[sick atlas]

Rage mode being ass its kind of whack, no CD reset on burst after its done, less of a rage mode and more of a I get some projectiles mode

[shy shore]

Any changes for best perks to run?

[sick atlas]

People complaining about burst is funny at 45S CD, they have no clue what its like getting 0-100 every stock when burst is down against competent players

[sick atlas]

Wrong side of the bed is now a never use in 1s thats for sure

[abstract python]

wrong side of the bed is no longer required

I started running well rounded

also you can replace pugilist with the new perk

2 gray hp on whiff

good for giant cuz he whiffs hella

[shy shore]

Afterburners?

[abstract python]

also an option

I just like well rounded but thats a personal thing

both are good

[sick atlas]

I honestly think that this setup was best pre and post patch, the good old fashioned:
WellRounded, Snowball effect, Last stand, Pugilist

[abstract python]

2s u prolly still run Wrong Side of the bed tho

cuz u get rage mode instantly if a tm8 dies

and he can cover ur projectile spam easily rather getting solo pressured in 1s

[sick atlas]

Is rage really that crazy anymore though with no stomp shockwave? I think its debatable to even swap sometimes

[abstract python]

nah he still has uptilt and down special spam

u still pop it whenever but its no longer "I go for rage mode and win game"

to a point where u dont need to run wrong side

[sick atlas]

I basically use it for a free on ground burst lol

I notice in the clip that jab-up special killed powerpuff at 30 lol

I also have been thinking that side of the stage- jab1 upspecial is pretty good, even if its less good compared to prepatch jab nair upspecial

I have not found a single use for his "new" down attack, I find it completely useless

[abstract python]

cuz it is lol

ur never ending combos with it

and its not a neutral tool

the old one was unironically better cuz at least jab > downtilt > jab was true on DI up and in and gave you a bolt stack

[sick atlas]

I love how the notes talk about new combo routes, when they were only removed lol

ground bounce grab for an extra 4% is all that is new

[abstract python]

yeah his new routes dont exist

actually he does have SOME new stuff

but nair into grab is the only practical one

[sick atlas]

I am trying to lab jab-reverse nair but I am having trouble understand how it is different that just regular nair

both require me to dodge to hit the jab

reverse does make them closer sometimes for sure, but its a lot of effort for an often same or similar result

[deep idol]

iron giant feels way to clunky now bruh

[sick atlas]

No IAD Nair feels horrid

[mint python]

what did they do to iad nair i way too much words on the patchnotes 😩

[sick atlas]

Really dissapointed but it is what it is, sorry for being a negative complainer but I am just so bummed

remember the good times

https://tenor.com/view/mvs-ig-combo-iron-giant-multiversus-gif-11881675805061497854

[rich vigil]

You can't IAD nair out of jab anymore

[abstract python]

It was a shadow change cuz they suck

So patch notes wouldnt have helped

[sick atlas]

I just got banned in a chat for @ing Ajax to revert the IG changes 😂

bro cmon man

[frigid reef]

ok this whole game might actually be cooked

[sick atlas]

I get it, dont bug the dude watching stream, cant blame them I guess

I know some IGs like the changes, maybe theres potential

[frigid reef]

he's ok for beating up new players, but going up against high-tiers in ranked, might as well jump off the map and hit concede

[sick atlas]

hitting master with him is certainly going to be harder

[frigid reef]

heh, yeah. I'm #62 Iron Giant in the world and i'm only gold 3. that says a lot

[sick atlas]

I was in top 40 IG/ masters end of season and I think he is reasonably cooked until new tech is found

[abstract python]

I think he has potential, just gonna be harder now that he has a way worse matchup spread

[rich vigil]

He's honestly fine

[uncut bronze]

i'm #1 IG in ranked rn and grandmaster, its not much harder really you just cant rely on cheesing kills at low% and rage mode is situational and doesnt just win the game for you

use up special in neutral a lot and play passive, the character's playstyle is just different now

[rich vigil]

You still using wrong side of the end or nah

[uncut bronze]

its still worth running but the other perks are viable now

[abstract python]

I run 5% now personally

[rich vigil]

Good to hear. I might start running afterburners just for fun

[uncut bronze]

im running 5% on my snowball slots and afterburners on my projectile shield slot

[rich vigil]

Idc how good 5% is on a character I'll never use it. It feels so boring to slap it on there personally

[abstract python]

wrong side is prolly still the best for 2s tho

[uncut bronze]

it probably is i just need to get used to rage changes bc the playstyle for it is different now you cant just hold forward

[rich vigil]

I camp with rage now

[uncut bronze]

yeah you have to

otherwise you get blown up

i wish they would have at least let rage mode get one burst to use during it

now you basically get one burst per stock including rage mode

[rich vigil]

Ikr

I miss old rage bolts just cus you don't get one during rage anymore

At least we still get the burst when entering rage mode

[uncut bronze]

they should remove the long startup if you get no bursts

bc you just sit there not being able to act when you pop rage

and if you dont hit them with the burst they get free hits on you

[rich vigil]

I usually try to combo into rage cus of that

[uncut bronze]

yeah either that or dodge boost at them to pop it

or i'll camp with it and wait until they try to hit me and time it

[rich vigil]

Yeah I do that too

[uncut bronze]

its still kinda ass though because their teammate can still come and hit you

[rich vigil]

Sometimes if their holding forward while offstage you hit them back offstage with it

Oh yeah you play 2s

I always forget that

[uncut bronze]

yeah you have to camp asf with rage in 2s now

basically hold forward with projectiles, walk back and reset, combo them if they get trapped in bubble

im not trying to play IG in 1s especially after this update, ts is probably hell 💀

[rich vigil]

I personally just dislike 2s. I hate tryna find a partner and I hate randos

[uncut bronze]

game's just frustrating in general, 1s is just too lame for me with how nobody wants to interact and characters can just get away with so much bs on IG

[glossy spindle]

Haven't touched IG since he started getting latched every single time. How is he for 2v2 now and days?

[uncut bronze]

good, just a lot more honest and a different playstyle. rage isnt a free win button any more and you're not really going to be killing people early outside of offstage reads

[sick atlas]

I think 2v2 and 1v1 experience is vastly different. Not saying you aren’t skilled but he in much more hurt in 1s imo.

[uncut bronze]

1v1 for IG rn is probably hell with all the bad MUs and characters getting buffed

PPG is a monster too

[glossy spindle]

Might grind IG for ranked then when I'm done with PPG and Jason

I wanted to play the character so bad but all the constant patches and changes to him just drove me away

[wary fox]

He is still at least A Tier in 1s you just have to forget the stuff that is gone and get used to the new, which is great

The major problem is all the other char getting buffs (or no nerf, like shaggy and WW)

Ig himself is really good

[rich vigil]

The characters not getting nerfed basically got buffed because of the momentum changes

[uncut bronze]

IG is like A tier in both gamemodes rn

[frigid reef]

that's a crazy statement

[sick atlas]

Low A tier feels correct maybe, but half the cast is bad MU that climbing ranked 1s is an eye roller every new opponent screen

[rich vigil]

I agree

With what grim said I mean

I think he's mid b tier at the lowest

[wary fox]

Well

Depends who else you put in A tier

[frigid reef]

B-tier at the lowest for sure. ol' boy has to try the absolute hardest to stay relative in 1s at least. getting hit by 60 to 70% combos and I can only do 25% damage combos at the most unless I do many tech reads

[wary fox]

Top 6-10 in 1s seems correct to me

[rich vigil]

Idk if I agree with top 10

I think he's viable but I could definitely name 10 better characters

[wary fox]

Yeah idk anyway from top 3 to top 10 or slightly worse is okay

[sick atlas]

depends on your definition of okay haha

[frigid reef]

what if using Collateral Damage was better than Last Stand, probable?

[sick atlas]

really depends, honestly no perk is going to change the -7 on the tier list if that is what you were asking haha

Last stand is best perk on giant really

[frigid reef]

dang

[keen cape]

Decided to try him out since the update and its actually insane, they took away two of his combos and gave him nothing

the change to the down attack just gutted his ability to combo like other characters its really depressing man

[mint python]

i wonder what they are trying to cook with iron giant

prety much been nerfing everything if its OP or not instead of just balancing him out

[keen cape]

They're trying to avoid people giving up on the game, its clear IG players aren't a majority of the base and other players despise him

I just wish they'd give him more perks to experiment on how to buff him without just adjusting his damage or knockback

[mint python]

id be happy if we atleast had his old weight back

[keen cape]

true though a part of me is betting if people complain enough they'll try to make him lighter

[mint python]

yeah i mean that already happened

iron giant was heavy because if he wasnt half the cast would have absurd combos on him look what happened

[keen cape]

true

even now he has some stupid combos that work

[abstract python]

I do hope they get to changing static discharge

and I hope it works with gray health

cuz the new 3rd perk is great for giant

[keen cape]

I kinda miss the way it worked in the Beta where it was more an armor tool then a get off me tool

[mint python]

wth i finnaly got around to testing this season on battlepass

what did they do to jab 😭

why is it impossible to iad off was there litteraly nothing else they can do

[rich vigil]

He still has combos