The Iron Giant

[sinful dust]

He spin

But it just single hit

[rich vigil]

That'd be weird

[sinful dust]

More like just increasing its knockback enough to the point where you won’t get hit multiple times

[rich vigil]

What if they made it like incineroar neutral special in smash and have it be a strong hit at the start and then weak hits on the rest of the move

[keen belfry]

L patch changes

The grab into special wasn’t even true your opponent had to be a dumb ahh

[sinful dust]

That could work

And I mean, that’s essentially what I was going for

[rich vigil]

Ah ok

I never played street fighter so tbh I wasn't 100% sure what that Zangief move looked like

[sinful dust]

Just that Zamgief’s lariat is the same strength throughout the entire move

[sinful dust]

It’s literally the same as Incineroar’s. Incineroar’s lariat is based on Zangief

[weary arch]

did they at least give IG back his damn armor

they didn't

this game is lame

[rich vigil]

Oooooh

[rich vigil]

Can you imagine how good he would be with his old bolts lol

He's already amazing he'd be unstoppable with old bolts

[sinful dust]

With old bolts, IG would be top 1 for sure no contest

[weary arch]

Heres the thing, they never took away his glow as if he has armor, so it looks like he has armor when he doesn't

[sleek flax]

What did you do to my boy!?!? 😭

[willow patio]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009540458868899951/1252362484405371021/c98ae981-f207-4352-b312-aa109fa716e0.mp4?ex=66734274&is=6671f0f4&hm=0ddb6a3bd397e310663c73831478a11ea146241d7009758f20e9f9a10bc309f5&

[ember talon]

Alright alright. Enough arguing. Time for the 1v1 to decide who is right.

[willow patio]

Good riddance

#clips message

[rich vigil]

Pretty sure that Arya could have dodged out of that

[weary arch]

Alright yeah, I'm retiring my boy, they just keep changing him

[neon plume]

Good call, every patch he's getting nerfed

[silver arch]

Is it me, or does iron giant have faster attack speeds then Jason?

[neon plume]

Doubt it but imo iron giant has better attacks than jason

[silver arch]

Probably also cause when he attacks it actually lands meanwhile Jason's machete just swipes through people.

[bright current]

im seriously not understanding what "Static Discharge" does .-.

[weary arch]

they kinda ruined it and probably wont fix it

[willow patio]

They just making him balanced😂

Ig the king of cheese🐁

[distant talon]

As someone who likes to lab its just a waste of time if he gets changed every update

[weary arch]

after learning dodge into attack tech, I'm back to liking IG again but hes still a struggle

it also really helps jason too

[neon plume]

he was "balanced" 2 patches ago

[rich vigil]

2 patches ago was the iron giant face sitting meta

There is no defending the iron giant taunt grab infinite

[neon plume]

Whatever, point is this recent nerf was unnecessary

[rich vigil]

Low-key the grab nerf means nothing

Grab already wasn't that great to go for

[glad horizon]

i think they should just replace grab with a different move

[vivid nebula]

Honestly its basically useless

[keen belfry]

Agreed, you had to be an NPC bot to die to the grab up special move. You literally had seconds to DI out of it.

I never even used the grab move cuz it’s so ahh, horrible long start up, and if you miss it’s a free combo for your opp

[native fog]

How do I learn IG? Second who do I watch to learn IG? He seems cool and is very fun to play (with like the 5 games ive played with him.) .

[rich vigil]

zinsideout on twitch is my favorite

Carry is another good one but he doesn't really stream

If you'd like I can invite you to the iron giant discord server where you can find different combos and tech

[native fog]

Thatd be awesome!

[weary arch]

damn it I think IG's thorn burst is bugged, its been going on cooldown on its own for me in some matches without activating

[charred vapor]

My little brother needs perk advice for the Iron Giant WHAT UP

[lone vault]

Onlinewithbobo he was ranked 1 in the beta for the majority of it

[lone vault]

snowball effect, last stand, pugilist. wrong side of the bed for signature. You can switch your third perk out to armor breaking when going up against Wonder Woman etc.

[charred vapor]

Thanks I'll let him know

[rich vigil]

I like to switch out snowball effect for protective momentum. Helps a little bit against projectiles and helps against the bombs on townsville

[lone vault]

I just eat the bombs haha

[lilac pawn]

This character is so broken its not even funny

[lone vault]

welcome to multiversus

[rich vigil]

Not nearly as broken as Joker

At least Iron Giant can be contested in the air

[lilac pawn]

#combos message joker is pretty broken also I agree but this combo is a lot easier to do than jokers

[sinful dust]

That’s at least stage specific

[lilac pawn]

How is that stage specific they all have a top border

[sinful dust]

You can’t get nair x4 into uair on any other stage

You need the platform assist

Which means you don’t take nearly as much damage and you’re more likely to live uair

[lilac pawn]

He didn't even land on the platform in the second one lmao

he jumped twice

[sinful dust]

It doesn’t look like he lands, but he does

There’s like a whole Taz height below IG’s legs when he does nair where he is considered grounded

On the second one, he lands on the lower platform with nair (even though it doesn’t look like it at all), then he dodge jump nair x2 into uair

[lilac pawn]

I see

well I never want to play an IG on that stage ever again lmao

[sinful dust]

Oh yeah IG on that stage is cancer lmao

Like even excusing the fact that his utilt covers literally half the stage including the platforms

His ability to always extend nair combos with platform reset makes that stage absolutely awful to play against him

[lone vault]

omg i lost to an iron giant, he must be removed, no chance im bad at the game

[rich vigil]

Like hoagieland said it's stage specific, and tbh, Joker's juggles are just as good

[vivid nebula]

skill issue

[rich vigil]

So true

[keen belfry]

You can just dodge out tho

[knotty flame]

Ngl Iron Giant still pretty useable. Rage is still busted and can literally kill them off rip if mashing. Grab into down tilt can lead into up special or up air set ups. Can kill pretty early and people struggle to kill him.

also I’m not sure if this a bug or what but I was mashing bubble when going into rage and it spawn 2 bubbles

[full tide]

IG is a very strong character still

[neon plume]

Hes decent

[azure brook]

Why does neutral dodge activate his neutral special?

That shouldn't be a thing or at least be a setting in the options

[rich vigil]

Yeah I agree

There's times where I wanna parry but can't because it'd waste my bolts

[echo seal]

ig bugs i know of are that if you exit rage while down air special you float there, if you spot dodge you activate bolts, very rarely the rage form will stay even after it has ended (visual bug happened to me only one time)

[willow patio]

Lol ig on re-release has the highest wr still😂

[rich vigil]

How are you getting fighter winrate?

Afaik, trackergg is inaccurate

[sinful dust]

Tracker.gg is accurate only for the insights page which just pools all character data from one week ago and is refreshed daily

But the player profiles are not even remotely close to accurate

It somewhat tracks stuff, but like I only have around 100 games recorded from the relaunch on my tracker.gg profile which is literally so far from being correct considering I have 150 Jason wins and that’s not even counting the wins and losses I’ve gotten with other characters

[rich vigil]

Ah

[frigid jetty]

IG is cheeks I don’t care what anyone says. He’s combo food and everything takes a millennia to come out. I think beta Giant was better

I have no clue why it activates it, it’s infuriating

[rich vigil]

I'm sorry but if you think Iron Giant is bad, it's honestly a skill issue

This character is really good

Iron Giant can easily do stuff like this, he's not bad https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/s/BsB434LfWe

[frigid jetty]

Well I played the character beta got to top 200 the character don’t feel the same as then.

[rich vigil]

🤷

He plays a little differently but he's still really good

[frigid jetty]

What good with him now then? Cause scrap toss is cheeks now, you can’t jab into it anymore.

[rich vigil]

IAD nair combos

[frigid jetty]

Up b and up air doesn’t seem as good either.

So the red button is Nair

[rich vigil]

Up air is a lot worse than before you're right about that

Up b is still good tho

Kills early offstage and is good in neutral

[frigid jetty]

Move was so good and now it’s checks

[frigid jetty]

I feel I get stuffed out a lot more than I used to

[rich vigil]

I stopped playing beta about half way through, so I don't remember how up b worked exactly, but I do know that it's still solid now

There's a chance it used to be better but idk for sure

[frigid jetty]

Also am I wrong, bolts seems completely changed

Or neutral b

Eating scrap doesn’t reduce cooldown anymore it feel like or I’m just trippin

[rich vigil]

Idk about this but bolts are changed yeah

You don't get armor anymore

[frigid jetty]

Not a fan of that change then. How is it different then?

And what perks you run? I’ve been running 5%, press advantage, last stand, pug

[sinful dust]

The number of bolts you have instead gives you a proportional amount of gray health. I wanna say it’s something like 3 gray health per bolt. IG also has a burst mechanic where either with neutral special or double tap neutral dodge, you send out a shockwave. This can be done during hitstun too

If beta bolts existed in this game, IG would be like SSS tier because with the reduced movement, you literally wouldn’t be able to avoid him

[frigid jetty]

Yeah the burst mechanic I’ve got down. But you can’t lower cooldown by consuming scrap anymore right?

[sinful dust]

I’m not sure tbh

[frigid jetty]

I prefer beta giant in the way his moves felt. I feel limited to less moves now

[sinful dust]

I wanna say no, but I’ve never paid attention to whether eating scrap metal reduces the cooldown

[frigid jetty]

Rather have useless rage from beta than have the giant we have now imo

[sinful dust]

I mean, they definitely should increase the game speed a bit

The hit stop was reduced in 1v1 by like 10%, but it should probably be even more

But honestly I do like the fact that you actually have to commit to moves

You can’t just do literally any move and cancel all whiff lag with a dodge

[frigid jetty]

I don’t like that jab 1,2 into up tilt doesn’t work, that up b doesn’t hit the same it feels jank, up air is so lame

[frigid jetty]

Yeah I’m fine with that

[sinful dust]

So fun fact: they replaced the old attack decay with the equivalent of Smash stale moves

[frigid jetty]

Yeah I noticed

[sinful dust]

IG jab does combo into utilt but only if his jab is completely fresh

[frigid jetty]

Eww

[sinful dust]

There’s a lot of characters that have similar stuff like that

Pre patch, Shaggy jab 1,2 dair was true but only if jab was fresh

[frigid jetty]

Naw I rather have old stale mechanic

[sinful dust]

I agree

The old attack decay was better

[frigid jetty]

That’s dumb af, giant jab doesn’t feel as good it feels abysmally slow

[sinful dust]

There literally wouldn’t be any infinite loops with the old attack decay, but now PFG is stuck playing catch-up because the stale move system has created so many extended loops and infinites

[frigid jetty]

Yeah I think beta versus was better

[rich vigil]

^^^

[sinful dust]

I think the beta was better in some ways but full release is better in others

[rich vigil]

I use Afterburners, protective momentum, last stand, pugilist/the green armor breaking whose name I have forgotten. However, I've heard a lot of people are using wrong side of the bed now

[frigid jetty]

Jason is my “main” as of late cause giant feels so janky to me. Jason is fun but even he has massive problems where all the fun thing of his kit are cheeks (body bag, air grab, “armor”)

[sinful dust]

IG jab neutral attack is at least a reliable kill confirm off of jab post nerf

[frigid jetty]

Hmm ok haven’t used neutral atk lately

[sinful dust]

It doesn’t help that Jason has consistently had a bottom 3 win rate (or lower) for the entirety of the game so far

[rich vigil]

Yeah Jason is kinda dookie

[frigid jetty]

It feels good to win though. Up air is sooooo bad

[sinful dust]

Due to the hitbox size nerf, this only works if your opponents are holding in, but you can get a combo like: jab dtilt dodge jab ntilt

[sinful dust]

Fun fact: the hitboxes for each hit of uair with Jason are only active for one frame

[frigid jetty]

I thought dodge combos were gone?

[rich vigil]

Nope

[sinful dust]

Far from it

Just dodge jab loops

You can still dodge cancel out of other moves

[rich vigil]

There's still dodge canceling and now there's the IAD (instant air dash)

[frigid jetty]

Ahh okay, hmm good to know any videos on that? For giant or Jason etc

[rich vigil]

I've seen IG players dodge up to continue combos with nair, I'm unsure if it works well with other characters

[azure brook]

They aren't gone but dodge attacks are a pretty big resource commitment now

[sinful dust]

Yeah that too which lets you perform low aerials faster than from a jump

[rich vigil]

Good Jason video https://youtu.be/I39LZhNV2eE?si=10eYT3Xxncgprnex

[sinful dust]

This. You can only do 2 dodge attacks before you burn your dodge meter

[frigid jetty]

I kinda get IAD on ground where you diagonally doge to get aerials but I heard some people talk about vertical IAD and that sounds more complicated

[rich vigil]

I honestly think it's better this way. The beta was a massive dodge fest and now you have to use your dodges critically

[sinful dust]

In burnout, basically everything is a guaranteed combo since your dodges are slower, travel less distance, and have no invincibility

[rich vigil]

I haven't heard of that yet. Interesting

[sinful dust]

Disadvantage in the beta didn’t exist

[azure brook]

if there's 2 things the current game does way better it's that dodges are less spammable and attack whiff actually exists now

[sinful dust]

You just kinda has to guess preemptively where your opponent would go and even wit a correct guess, they could still be too fast to catch

[frigid jetty]

Idk how I feel about it cause the best characters are so fast that dodge is just an addition but for big bodies you need dodge for good movement cause how slow

[sinful dust]

The fact that Superman could just charge literally any grounded attack with armor and then dodge out of it if you’re not close to him negating all whiff lag was insanely dumb in the beta

[azure brook]

God

What were they thinking w allowing stuff like that

[sinful dust]

Lmao

[azure brook]

Cancelling attacks on hit at least that's still in

[sinful dust]

Yeah and that should stay

It’s the same system Rivals uses where moves have a decent amount of whiff lag but you can cancel it on hit for combos

[azure brook]

I think some attacks arguably don't have enough whiff but overall things are a lot more punishable compared to beta

[frigid jetty]

I think Superman fly felt better in beta it looks and feels weird now

[frigid jetty]

I agree wholeheartedly on this banana is a really clear example of this. While on the opposite side of this gripe is Jason; use the body bag and watch as your opponent charges the hardest hitting move they have and still in recovery

[sinful dust]

He doesn’t turn his body of you go up and down anymore

No idea why that was removed from the beta

It just looks jarring to fly as Superman and go diagonal up or down

[frigid jetty]

I miss that tbh it felt better and looked better

[frigid jetty]

I know what is he a plane?

[sinful dust]

There’s a lot of QoL features and details that didn’t make it in

Like way way more than I was expecting

[frigid jetty]

It hurts to see how far mvs has fallen in every aspect

[azure brook]

Yeah banana could use more if he's gonna have so much range on most his attacks

And he does not need that much kill power

[pure tiger]

what's Big Iron's worst matchup?

[rich vigil]

Probably Marvin

If not then Joker

[pure tiger]

I see why Marvin, with the zoner vs big body matchup, but why Joker?, is there some nasty 0-D combo?

[sinful dust]

Joker is just really good all around. His combo game is among the best in the cast, his anti-airs are insanely good, his cards are good and hard to react to projectiles, his dodge goes the furthest distance in the game, and he has a lot of large hitboxes with disjoints

Taz is also really bad for IG

Since Taz still has loops and can easily zero to chicken IG whenever he gets hit

And Taz is the fastest character in the game

[rich vigil]

Card is hard to deal with plus Joker gets insane combos on giant. Joker outranges giant and doesn't even struggle to kill him either

[rich vigil]

Really? I didn't know that

Black Adam is pretty rough too

[sinful dust]

Oh yeah Taz is significantly faster than everyone else and he still has an infinite lmao

Ground speed anyway

Batman I think still has the fastest air speed

[rich vigil]

Ah

[sinful dust]

Stupid autocorrect

[pure tiger]

thanks for the insights

[frigid jetty]

I agree I played against a Marvin it was hell

[ember talon]

Sleeping bag is so bad

[full tide]

Marvin, Bugs, Tom, or Joker

Marvin while not a zoner has a lot of projectiles and combos that really rack up fast, and his KO potential while limited, against IG is very threatening.

Bugs and Joker are in the territory of "pressing the projectiles with gaps" problem, but if you're experienced enough you can win.

And Tom fully depends on whether or not he's got Jerry on deck or not.

[rich vigil]

I feel like Bugs is much more doable than Joker

[full tide]

Yeah, I can agree to that

[frigid jetty]

Bad is an understatement it’s the worst move in the game.

[rich vigil]

It really is tbh

Slow start up and an ungodly amount of endlag

Not even a good hitbox

And when you finally get somebody with it, it doesn't even have good kill power

[frigid jetty]

https://youtube.com/shorts/K3Fr21yXXUU?feature=shared
Jason’s jab 😂

[mellow coyote]

Joker is, imo, IGs absolute worst MU

genuinely what are you supposed to do besides pray you hit the nair cheese

[rich vigil]

You gotta play really aggressive. Do your best not to let Joker breath once you get in

[mellow coyote]

I try but it's still incredibly difficult

[dapper flame]

Anyone that mains IG I hope you go to hell

[frigid jetty]

Bro got washed and now he’s tight hahaha.

[lyric forge]

What have yall been doing after landing a grab now that we can't just fly them away lol

[rich vigil]

Get good lol

[dapper flame]

Nahh haven’t lost it’s just that you guys are so full of yourselves and annoying your not even good

[lyric forge]

Skill issue

[ember talon]

You are who you choose to be.

[sinful dust]

Sounds like someone’s salty after losing to IG

[frigid jetty]

Biggest hit box in the game and we are full of ourselves lol. We are combo meat easiest to combo we have one get out of jail free card on a “30 sec” cooldown; And we are not good? We have to be good at something to win against any character it’s not like Wonder Woman where you get a free hit of armor or a lasso to neutral. Shaggy with a kick to break neutral or a comeback mechanic with Super saiyan. Even Harley has the same combo break mechanic to an extent and it’s on a shorter cooldown and can kill.

[shy shore]

Coming from a Tom and jerry main I have respect for any IG I come across in matches.

[ember talon]

I want to learn IG because I liked the movie when I was a wee little kid

[pallid parrot]

Giant op

[lone vault]

Watch onlinewithbobo on twitch is what I would recommend. He’s foreign but a lot can be learned just from emulation to a degree

[tiny locust]

What’s your main

[sinful dust]

Bros gonna say something like Wonder Woman or Joker

[tiny locust]

TRUEEE

[rich vigil]

zinsideout is another good one

[uncut bronze]

thats the whole reason i play him bc that was one of my favorite movies as a kid and still is 😭

i wanted to play him as soon as i heard he was in this game

[regal valley]

yo this character is just not fair lmfao

fair into hard read charged upstrong kills bugs at 0 on scooby mansion

genuinely think this guy broke his system cuz he didnt respond after i did that

[rich vigil]

Its fair if it's a hard read

[regal valley]

ok but

why did it kill

lmfao

[rich vigil]

He strong

And bugs is hella light

[regal valley]

theres a reason i dont play my main in this mu 😭

im just trying to do quests and holy im not thinking at all when im playing ig

[rich vigil]

Out all of the things iron giant can do, Up air is one of his most balanced tools

[rich vigil]

And by balanced I mean up air is bad

[regal valley]

not up air

the scap metal throw

up strong

[rich vigil]

Oh

That move

That move is alright I guess

I like the projectile property

If you're getting hit by fully charged uptilt that's on you lmao

[regal valley]

i will always play joker in this mu lmao

will not even attempt t&j after what i have done to this man

i feel ashamed

[rich vigil]

Yeah Joker is really good into Giant

[sinful dust]

Because Scooby’s Mansion is kinda ass

Blast zones are way too small

[uncut bronze]

joker is his worst MU

[dapper flame]

Marvin

[rich vigil]

Losing to Iron Giant as Marvin is actually crazy 💀

[dapper flame]

0 to death undogeable combo what could I possibly do

[rich vigil]

Uptilt

Up air

Whenever Iron Giant isn't getting his own hits in, Marvin juggles giant all day

[full tide]

Marvin is a very hard MU for Giant

[knotty flame]

I can kinda see what you mean. He puts me in mad combos but the Marvin I’ve played multiple games with once would put me in a combo but struggle to kill me. He was kinda spamming though

[knotty flame]

What I like to do is use down tilt cause it can set up pretty well into up air or up special. But I wonder what other people have done with it

[echo seal]

yea lol i just got spammed and died

u cant do anything if they spam the ground air shot

[pure tiger]

What's the perk loadout for 2v2's?

[frigid reef]

x2 Snowball Effect
Last Stand
Pugulist

x2 Protective Momentum
Last Stand
Pugulist

[pure tiger]

And for the yellow perk?

[frigid reef]

Well Rounded, and Wrong Side of The Bed are both good no matter what, but Static Discharge could be good with Velma

[ember talon]

Why the x2

[frigid reef]

if u and your teammate are using the same perk, the effect is doubled or better

[ember talon]

Oh right

I understood that but couldn't parse what that meant in text, lol

Last Stand and Pugilist is generally what I use anyway

[frigid reef]

all good I should have been more precise

[ember talon]

I have no idea if the uhhh the encouragement (?) perk where you get a 15% if your partner dies

Is worth it

In the long run

Since you can't exactly communicate that with your teammate in randoms lol

[pure tiger]

From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of iron. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Giant.

[gray bobcat]

I have 2.61k Fighter Currency I almost have enough to get him.

[rich vigil]

Hell yeah brotha

Long live the giant

[golden patrol]

I love how no matter how much they tweak him he apparently continues to be an issue.

I see people on Twitter desperately going "Please don't remove him again, just shrink him a little and he'll be fine.".

[rich vigil]

He's not nearly broken enough to warrant being removed again

People just don't take the time to learn the matchup

They expect to be able to just mash on him because he's so big and when that doesn't work they start whining

[golden patrol]

He's fairly easy to play around as long as you're a relatively fast character now that they've ironed out some of his biggest issues.

I don't know if he really needed a rage mode though.

[knotty flame]

He didn’t but it’s funny to lock people into taking like 100 dmg

[lilac pawn]

Did they not say they removed his ability to walk when grabbing

[knotty flame]

Idk did they?

[uncut bronze]

you can still walk, can't jump though or do an up-special out of it

[knotty flame]

You also can’t walk them off stage

[rare moat]

I'm seeing ppl just throw

Into up special

Works for em it seems lol

[rich vigil]

What no? Why would they do that

[rare moat]

Xbox 1 still laggy ash

I'm convinced they forgot about us

[rich vigil]

I've gotten some lag but no more disconnect errors

I'll take it tbh

[uncut bronze]

even on PS5 i get bad lag sometimes

[rich vigil]

After 1.03 and before 1.04 I got so many disconnect errors the game was nearly unplayable, so I'll take the occasional lag over that

[lilac pawn]

#combos message To all you Iron giant defenders saying the character isn't broken

[vivid nebula]

He isnt broken

[pure tiger]

I swear that IG is the most coinflip character in the roster, some matches he's pure combo food without any chance for him to even move at all, but on other matches Iron Giant becomes the destroyer of worlds and can 1v2 with ease, there's no in-between, I haven't had an even match with him or against him, even in the mirror matches, its super strange.

[rich vigil]

This is like his only combo tho

He has variations of that combo and he has side tilt neutral attack as a kill confirm

I honestly think he's fine as is and I'm really hoping he doesn't get nerfed again (though it's highly unlikely)

And even if he gets nerfed to the ground people will still find a way to hate on iron giant

[rich vigil]

This is honestly super true. Iron Giant is a really volatile character

[weary arch]

thanks for the free tech

[knotty flame]

This is what makes him balanced while also still being good. It is also what causes a lot of people to complain about him and ask to nerf him lmao

[pure tiger]

I would argue that's the opposite, if IG can only stomp or be stomped then he isn't balanced at all, he is horribly asymmetrical for the game, but he's in a way better spot than he was at launch.
He needs buffs and nerfs like other characters but most of his problems are inherent to his design, huge characters are always a problem in fighting games and PFG are rockstars for putting Iron Giant in the game

[knotty flame]

That’s fair. I do hope though they stop touching IG so they can balance other characters properly. Like lebron

[pure tiger]

Oh yeah Lebron needs a lot of love after they removed the only good thing in his kit (the multi hit balls)

[knotty flame]

Also his most fun move(side special dunk)

[gray bobcat]

Finally got em just got to learn em.

[rich vigil]

Yooo welcome to the club

Try doing nair nair up air at around 30ish percent

When the opponent is at around 80ish percent or above side tilt into neutral attack is a true kill confirm

[echo seal]

anyone notice how black adam and iron giant have same ending poses

also if you get turned into reindog while in second form u can still use abilities lol

it looks so stupid

[minor tinsel]

Is iron giant bad? Idk what he's good at besides being a sponge for dmg

[rich vigil]

He's really good but also really volatile

[minor tinsel]

Volatile?

Also doesn't IG have a TOD that uses only 2 moves

[rich vigil]

Yeah, like most MUs can go either way

Like either Iron Giant destroys you or you get destroyed

[minor tinsel]

LeBron is the same tbh

[rich vigil]

I think he can do side tilt into nair nair nair nair if you have a lot of dodge meter

[minor tinsel]

What are some tips for me playing the big back bot

[rich vigil]

Learn how to do instant air dash nair and then learn how to do it out of side tilt

[minor tinsel]

can you say that in English

[rich vigil]

Ok I'm going to assume that you don't know what instant air dash is then

Nair = neutral air, side tilt = ground side attack

[minor tinsel]

I knew that but idk how to instant air dash

I played smash somewhat competitively for a bit

[rich vigil]

To do an instant air dash, hold up and left/right (depending on what direction you're facing) and click dodge and neutral attack. Do not jump. If you time everything right, you should boost forward and perform a neutral air attack. Once you get that down, you can do an instant air dash nair out of side tilt to perform combos

You can also do an instant air dash with any other aerial but for IG you'll mostly be using nair

[minor tinsel]

God damn

[rich vigil]

It's easy once you get used to it

[minor tinsel]

What perks do I run?

[rich vigil]

I like to use afterburners, protective momentum, last stand, and the green armor breaking perk (forgot the name)

I've seen a lot of IGs use Wrong Side of the Bed as well, so I guess just whatever you like beets in terms of signature perks

[minor tinsel]

Last stand is knockback over 125, right?

[rich vigil]

Ye

I thought it was over 100 I can't remember for sure

[minor tinsel]

It's 125.

Checked last night

[rich vigil]

It's good for iron giant because he'll almost always be living till at least 160

[rich vigil]

Ah ok

[minor tinsel]

What does after burners even do?

[rich vigil]

On moves where he uses his feet, like dair and fair, fires comes out and does a small amount of passive damage. Down air will also leave a fire wall on the ground

[minor tinsel]

I bought press the advantage bc I'm stupid. It's the team version

[rich vigil]

Ah

[minor tinsel]

I already bought it, do I run it?

[rich vigil]

I mean sure I guess

Do you not have enough perk currency to buy another one?

[minor tinsel]

I'm gonna run the extra speed bc I need it. But I'll have another custom with projectile shield

[minor tinsel]

I have enough for 3 basic perks and 2 signatures

[rich vigil]

Ah

Perk currency is pretty easy to come by, I wouldn't stress about buying perks

[minor tinsel]

I spent it all 😦 the one where you deal weakened over 100, armor crush, and projectile shield

[rich vigil]

Awesome sauce

[minor tinsel]

What moves can you do with someone grabbed?

[minor tinsel]

Bob is jab 1 into up tilt tru

I curbed stomped a guy in IG other form

[rich vigil]

It might be, I actually haven't tried that

[rich vigil]

Not much, tbh. Grab got gutted, now it sucks. Only thing I really use it for, if I go for it all is at high percents I'll do jab into neutral attack for a kill

[minor tinsel]

Not entirely, if your too close it wont

[sinful dust]

Grab still combos into charged neutral attack

[minor tinsel]

And that's like the only reason I use it

[sinful dust]

That’s the only reason to use it really

[rich vigil]

I just feel like a lot of times grab isn't worth going for over just doing jab into neutral attack

Id only use it if you know you can armor through with it

[sinful dust]

It’s only worth if uncharged neutral attack won’t kill

And you know you can get the punish on something because grab is really slow

[minor tinsel]

I got these jlab fruity pebble earbuds and epic, the cyclops saga works with the iron giant so well

[ember talon]

Making a note of this

Because I had no idea of this

[grizzled torrent]

That gizmo didnt di at all and wasted all their dodges on nithing

[echo seal]

bro i have lost count of how many iron giant bugs i have found

my latest 2 are that if you are turned into reindog while in second form you can still use second form abilities

and if you are in second form you can shoot 2 green orbs if ur fast enough

[knotty flame]

Yeah the double bubble isn’t super practical cause they nearly overlap but it cool

[hollow jasper]

we do not talk about this!!!!

this was the one bug i discovered immediately after he came back and i do not want my main back in the shop

[echo seal]

also the up special on second form kills really early lol

like 0 hp early

if you get them in the bubble i mean

u can just tp them out the map

up air special

[rich vigil]

Yeah that's definitely getting fixed lol

[storm frost]

Iron Giant is so busted dear god

You mfs should not be allowed using last stand

Got killed by a JAB at 50%

Ridiculous character

You guys are all so toxic too never met an Iron Giant that doesn't spam salt emote

[shy shore]

🤣

[rich vigil]

We're you playing Harlin Quinn and DI-ing all the way out on the top platform on Dexter's Lab 2??????

I need some more context because in a normal situation and vs a good player jab should never be killing at 50

Also you literally play Joker so I don't wanna hear it

[storm frost]

5 stacks of weakened on Batman

Because last stand is busted now

And Iron Giant is living until at least 150

[rich vigil]

Oh well that's why

Batman light af

[storm frost]

I don't play Joker lol

He's my most played because I tested him when the game was new but I've been playing Batman a lot more recently

[rich vigil]

You're tag used to be "Zypten (World's Worst Joker)" so I assumed you played joker

Also do you have a clip?

Of the jab killing at 50 I mean

[rich vigil]

Also there's literally a perk that applies weakend to characters above 125. It's very good against IG, you should use it

[storm frost]

No I don't tend to clip matches

[storm frost]

I've never had "(World's Worst Joker)" in my user

[rich vigil]

Ok well I was asking because I find it really hard to believe that jab naturally killed Batman even at 5 stacks of weakened at 50%

[storm frost]

I was "Zypten | Worst Joker" briefly (when I was considering maining Joker, before I realized he feels like cheating), but I've been the worst Shaggy longer and now I think I might become the worst Batman

It was on trophys edge

[rich vigil]

Yeah that's the tag I saw

[rich vigil]

We're you near the ledge or center stage

Also have you labbed it to make sure you weren't just DIing poorly or did you immediately start whining in here

[storm frost]

I teleported into the blast zone

No amount of DI was gonna save me lol

I might've been at 60 or so
How much damage does that jab combo deal?

It started when I was low and got me to 74 where I was just cooked, because apparently the devs thought they should let tanks that don't die until 150+ apply infinite weakened and gave all the tanks high kill power to begin with

[rich vigil]

Iron Giant has situational killpower tbh

I've killed people as low as like 12 before but I've also had people live to 150+ numerous times

His main kill options are nair up air and jab to neutral attack

And nair up air can be DIed out of a lot of times

[ember talon]

hi, im learning to play iron giant and ive never equipped the salt emote on any character

i have a weird problem where i dont like making people mad, so i just use the gg emote

[uncut bronze]

i only use salt emote on people that tbag or used it first

[ember talon]

the back scratch emote is a contender for best emote in the entire game

just because of how funny it is

[uncut bronze]

i use that after every match 😭

most of the time it doesnt even do the full emote before the match is over so its just him pulling his arm off for no reason

[ember talon]

i honestly forget that you can charge his nair

probably doesnt help that i havent learned mana/fuel management

[uncut bronze]

tbh his fuel recharges pretty fast once you're on the ground so as long as you dont get caught in the air without it you're fine

[rich vigil]

Jason's moonwalk is pretty dam good too

[rich vigil]

Honestly this is just something you'll get better at with practice

You really have to be careful with your fuel offstage

If you're going for an edge guard you gotta make sure you'll have enough fuel to get back to stage

[ember talon]

kind of wish there was a signature perk for my fuel economy, as a crutch lmaoooo

but i get it

[rich vigil]

Also if you find yourself without any fuel, go for side special instead of up special to recover. Up special with no fuel will make you go straight down, but side special will give you a little boost forward

[ember talon]

side special is what i prefer actually

[rich vigil]

It's honestly a pretty underrated move

I forget about it a lot tho

It's really fast and you can dodge out of it and keep your momentum with an aerial

[uncut bronze]

side special is one of the best approaching tools and some chars just cant deal with it

[knotty flame]

That move I feel got insanely buffed from the beta like it feels like you have more control and the hitbox covers his entire body now

[cunning umbra]

Anyone know what the best perks are for iron giant

[rich vigil]

Protective Momentum, Last Stand, Pugilist

Sometimes I swap out pugilist for that green armor breaking perk if I'm playing against something like Superman or Wonder Woman

[cunning umbra]

What about for the yellow perk

[rich vigil]

Either Afterburners or Wrong Side of the Bed

Both are fine

[frozen harness]

shaggy crying emote is worse

[shy shore]

thats all joker mains for me lmfaooo

[knotty flame]

What does wrong side of bed do?

[rich vigil]

When you spawn in, some of your rage meter is already filled

Gives your rage mode faster on each stock

[knotty flame]

Oh I love that one

use it all the time

[maiden gulch]

Iron Giant gang

[vivid nebula]

That's easy to punish 😭

[blazing gazelle]

How do i play neutral

[frigid reef]

u just gotta hope ur opponent is bad enough to keep rushing towards u

[blazing gazelle]

Aw man

[frigid reef]

yeah, it's tough going up against people that know how to kite u, but Iron Giant's hitboxes are big so u could get a lucky hit

[blazing gazelle]

I'm assuming iron giant combos revolve around nair?

[frigid reef]

usually. sometimes u can throw in an occasional grab sense it does have super armor

[rich vigil]

Ye

[echo seal]

i am surprised i have not seen more people complaining about the up air special on rage mode lol

electric move

[rich vigil]

Yeah ikr

Like that move actually feels problematic

[ember talon]

I honestly forget about recovery moves, because of everyone being able to wall climb

[uncut bronze]

right? everyone complains about nair chaining (which you can DI and escape) but not that

[knotty flame]

Ngl I don’t even know what most of the rage mode moves are besides bubble and missile

so they probably don’t think about it

[echo seal]

i see people spam stomp too you can just spam it and sometimes it will combo off itself

not as cheap as the other one i mentioned though

[storm frost]

Praying for Iron Giant nerfs this guy is still such a strong character

Basically confirms a win in 2s as well so nerfs are probably guaranteed tbh

[rich vigil]

Nerfs are always guaranteed for iron giant

He's gotten a nerf in every single patch note

I think the only buff he's ever had is that they put slightly more armor on the grab

[rich vigil]

Also if you think playing any character automatically "confirms" a win, you're just bad

[storm frost]

Wow that's crazy because I was playing with my friend in 2s and our win rate was around 70%
He swapped to IG and our WR skyrocketed to 90%

IG is definitely busted in 2s and definitely boosts your chance of winning by a considerable amount

[rich vigil]

Who was your friend playing before? Playing a better character will obviously make you more likely to win but saying it "confirms" a win is just plain stupid. Plus, things like team composition and your opponent's skill level also come into play. Iron Giant is a very good character right now but you still can't just mindlessly button mash and get a win. You still have to try.

[storm frost]

He played a variety of characters
Reindog, lots of Joker, a bit of Batman, Shaggy, and then the Iron Giant

At least 2 of the characters before IG are high tiers

Other 2 are pretty ass though ig

[ember talon]

im gonna stick with giant even if he turns to trash

[rich vigil]

Giant gang for life 🦾🦾🦾

[ember talon]

but i sure hope they dontt make him the worst character in the game......

[rich vigil]

He was at the end of the beta

I wouldn't put it past PFG

If they nerf him they should at least fix his hurtbox

[ember talon]

i wouldnt put it past them to not buff jake at all

[rich vigil]

You're in luck

[lilac pawn]

lol hope you guys get your last nair spam games in

[ember talon]

I assume rest in peace banana guard and iron giant you sacrificed yourselves to save Jason and Jake

[ember talon]

So spiteful today

[rich vigil]

This man only knows how to hate 😭🙏

[ember talon]

Live a little man

[rich vigil]

I really hope they fix our hurtbox as compensation. Probably unlikely tho

[ember talon]

"You are who you choose to be"
Ryecoe:😈

[rich vigil]

Real

Don't think I've ever seen that guy talk about this game positively

That applies to him and that Zypten guy

[ember talon]

Anyway probably will still play IG to some degree

[celest herald]

I missed the nerf for IG in the discussion. Anyone catch it?

[rich vigil]

Nair, jab, up special, side air (and maybe bolts?) got nerfed

I don't remember what they said exactly about up special

[celest herald]

Up special? Didn’t they nerf that already wtf

[rich vigil]

It was a really good kill move, I'm not that surprised

I'm surprised they nerfed sair

[celest herald]

You had to catch someone with it though since you can’t do it out of grab anymore. Eh don’t like that one.

[rich vigil]

Sair nerf was unnecessary

[ember talon]

Special air?

[rich vigil]

Side air

[ember talon]

I mean I would call it fair since I'm used to smash

But then again there is no back air

[frigid reef]

they said something about how they don't want up-special to carry people into a blast zone, but instead be used as a standard ko move

[uncut bronze]

if its a standard ko move then im assuming they increased knockback on it bc that move does not kill normally 🤨

[frigid reef]

up-special would ko at 0% under certain circumstances in this patch. it's possible that it no longer does multi-hits to make it less oppressive

[uncut bronze]

i mean like outside of carrying to the blastzone it never kills

[full tide]

Did they confirm nerfs to IG?

[rich vigil]

Yes

[uncut bronze]

now that it hits only twice they must be increasing knockback on it if they're gonna call it a KO move

[rich vigil]

I wonder if nair up special will still work, just at higher percents instead of carrying into the blastzone

[ember talon]

I've never even gotten the up special to kill

It's usually the forward air or up air that kills for me

[full tide]

^

[vivid nebula]

marvin projectiles need a cooldown

can literally juggle ig with easy

[rich vigil]

If you follow your opponent's DI right it was a really solid kill option

[uncut bronze]

marvin is one of his worst matchups by far

[rich vigil]

Up air is so inconsistent for me

[ember talon]

That's because I forget that DI exists

[frigid reef]

yeah. right now, besides being a projectile destroyer, up-special is also good for edge guarding sense it's a big & active attack. its real nice to build damage on opponents with. maybe it was too powerful with perks like Well-rounded, Pugulist, and Snowball Effect

[uncut bronze]

they just wanted it to stop being used to carry people off into the blastzone, but it definitely was a nice tool for blocking projectiles and applying pressure in neutral

hopefully they're gonna compensate for the move being bigtime nerfed in some way

[frigid reef]

my guess is that they'll revert the change made to grounded side-special, where u can't jump while holding an opponent. the multi-hits on up-special was the whole reason as to why they changed it. i'd like for the new up-special to have a hard hitstun so that it can combo from jab at every %

[vivid nebula]

damn this is like the 3rd patch in a row hes been nerfed

[fluid ermine]

Are we getting a nair nerf? I think that was one if not his main problem

[frigid reef]

yeah, nair nerf to stop nair into nair ladder combos

[rich vigil]

He was nerfed every patch in the beta

[rich vigil]

Im kinda worried that nair is gonna be gutted

[frigid reef]

it won't stop Iron Giant from still being good, other top-tier characters are getting nerfs too. it'll just be tougher to ko early

[fluid ermine]

Also, I'm pretty sure they are going to find another loop for him, just like what happened last time

[keen belfry]

So IG didn’t really get nerfed ?

[rich vigil]

No he definitely did lol

Nair chains are no more

And up b got nerfed

Iron Giant now has to work much harder for kills

[keen belfry]

Beat

[full tide]

IG I bet will still be good, just not dominant

[silver arch]

I hope so. Cause it could also mean we can get more giant characters like Godzilla or maybe even Optimus Prime.

[rare moat]

No more Nair chains aq

Aw

[zinc oasis]

He’s pretty fun to play with ngl, the attacks he has are sigma

[simple elm]

His rage mode is buggy as hell 😭

[frigid reef]

i think grounded down-attack spam x4 in rage mode is back. I managed to do it multiple times in a row on a bot in rift mode, just have to dash in between each stomp

[frank vapor]

yo am I rarted or like does the nair knockback feel different

like I swear it sent you up more before did they change something?

[rich vigil]

No it definitely is

[coral bison]

It feels like his down air true combination into Nair now

I fear (pray) that perhaps the old zero to death may slowly find it's way back into his moveset at this rate. Because what is iron giant without his bugs?

[frank vapor]

I mean u still got 2 other braindead easy 0TD's

[rich vigil]

Are you talking jab to IAD nair to up special to sair? Cus if so that one really only works if you hit the opponent right at ledge, meaning you won't be hitting all time time

Even then, I think the sair at the end isn't true, which is the finisher

[uncut bronze]

IG doesnt have any zero to deaths lmao, anything he does now is extremely untrue

[grizzled torrent]

Can you share these with the class

Oh ok i cant say that word

Ironic given the swears already in the game but w/e

Anyways post proof or go away

[lyric forge]

Sucks they took out up special kill carries from center stage, but I honestly don’t mind the change. Knocking further away, especially in doubles seems pretty good so far

[ember talon]

im not getting any kills with the up special now

feels borderline useless :(

[rich vigil]

Still kills pretty well it's just harder now

And if it doesn't kill you can sometimes follow up with a side air

[spring sinew]

How's Giant. I don't play him but

[ember talon]

Worse than he was before the patch but I'm sure a lot of people can make him work still

[spring sinew]

I'm just here wonder how others people's characters are mainly cause mine got nerfed quite a bit

[rich vigil]

Definitely worse than before, but not horrible

He kind of struggles to kill now

Also rage mode is super buggy rn for some reason

Idk what they did to it

[spring sinew]

I did notice that his rage mode seems off

[shy shore]

It has changed but I've found if you charge nair you can still get nair upair

Same with rage mode, you can do side b -> charged nair -> upb for a quick easy kill

[shy shore]

try nair upspecial!

upspecial can combo into side air off the side

[frank vapor]

Grab shock up special still works on most characters also the buff to its anti projectile property feels so nice

[frank vapor]

Or you can just force a bubble and up special for an instakill

[shy shore]

yeahh, i feel the nair adds a lot of extra dmg doe which helps

[frank vapor]

My brotha damage aint an issue it kills at 0

[shy shore]

it doesnt kill at 0% grounded i dont think

tbf even if it doesnt kill at 0 i still think charged nair makes it more guarrenteed to kill

dmg + puts them higher up

[frank vapor]

Also when his rage breaks his projectiles dont come from the right places so if you time them right along with stomping im pretty sure you can infinite or at least get a stupid amount of damage before they can escape

Ive done it twice in real matches against pretty good players but i gotta try it in training when i get the chance so idk for sure rn

[knotty flame]

Ngl this character feels unfair lol. I put fin in a bubble and kill him with sair at 74 like why

This was mid stage btw

Bro this character is the cheesiest character.

[rich vigil]

Finn is really light tbh

There's many other characters who would kill Finn at 74

[knotty flame]

I mean fair but also like I’ve never seen that before and it didn’t feel like the move should’ve killed lol

[vivid nebula]

up special sucks now

[rich vigil]

Not really

It's definitely worse but to say it sucks is wrong

Just look at this https://clips.twitch.tv/BlightedMildChickpeaPJSugar-55WxKmJ-c6ZNV-mj

[frigid reef]

lol

that player literally just sucks ngl

[rich vigil]

He def does but doesn't change that Up B is still a good kill move

[frank vapor]

Bro complaining about a move that can kill at 0 killing at 74 🐴

[rich vigil]

In what world is sair killing at zero what

[frank vapor]

Naw bro bubbed and instead of goin for up special he used sair

Bub is literally a free kill

0 skill 0 damage required

[deep idol]

bro just shut up

[rich vigil]

Ooh that's what's you meant lmao

Yeah I see what you mean

[knotty flame]

No

[frank vapor]

Naw bro his sair isnt hated on nearly as much as it should be lol its soooo good

[echo seal]

iron giant cant escape from like any combos now bruh

[rich vigil]

He never could tbh

Now he has less combos to go for whenever he's not getting combo'd

[deep idol]

i’m getting comboed into oblivion now dawg

[shy shore]

Honestly I feel like people don't understand why he has high kill power and stuff like burst

Being a huge model with a high weight means he would get combo'ed to a point where his weight wouldn't be a benefit, this is evident in other platform fighters where heavies are given the same tools as other characters

So he needs his burst, it's a bit overtuned in its current state I think but he needs cheesey escape options to survive

He also needs big kill power to make up for the fact that as a slower character, he won't have lengthy strings like Arya or Shaggy can perform. If he doesn't do a lot of combos, he needs high damage per hit and high kill power to compensate

Iron Giant is an example of how far you have to push a heavyweight design in order to survive, I just feel as if the changes to game speed and model size benefited him too much

However I do think they should tone down kill power on some things like neutral attack, sair and rage as whole needs some changes. If they did this, I'd like to see dair as a better combo tool to compensate for worse kill power but a better advantage state 🐴

[ember talon]

Iron Giant is PFG's learning experience of designing a Ridley-like character

And to an extent Jason too

Probably made Jason so buff to make him look less intimidating to kids

[shy shore]

I honestly think even tho they've clearly struggled (which is natural), they've done a lot better than Ridley

I mainly play tanks/heavyweights in games, I play Ultimate competitively (albeit I'm not great) and I main Ganondorf/Ridley

From experience, I'd say Iron Giant is actually a lot better of a design than Ridley when you don't look at infinites n stuff

[shy shore]

Honestly I wish Jason's kit flowed together better

Like all his moves are fine in a vacuum but I find myself just wishing I had more of sweeping upair than his current pokes upward, especially considering his slow speed

Rlly like his kit tho, they cooked

[lyric forge]

Iron giants rage mode is ruined lol wtf is going on it’s glitchy

[rich vigil]

Yeah its like super bugged

And when an ally enters your rage mode the little projectiles your ally shoots don't work anymore

[lyric forge]

Wow lol

Green orb also just doesn’t go where you want it to, just gets stuck to the floor. Up special is buggy too doesn’t send upwards. What a disaster lmao

[uncut bronze]

yep all his attacks spawn from his feet in rage mode now, its bad-

[high wind]

any iron giant otp wanna play some duos? I play t&j

eu^

[frank vapor]

Wdym

[frank vapor]

Hate to say it because I love IG but yeah they gotta tweak neutral for sure because it's so easy to hit and kills at like 80 but ngl if they do they're gonna over do it

[frank vapor]

Brotha wasnt even that bad 🐴

[rich vigil]

If they nerf neutral attack I will cry

[shy shore]

They gotta bro

It's like

Lowkey evil

Kills mad early regardless of Di, he can combo into it rlly easily, it's huge, gives him a piece of scrap

Also has a really nasty angle on batcave specifically

If u hit a round start dodge boosted sair and it hits ur guarrenteed a ringout

[frank vapor]

Naw the glitch is easy to avoid but when it happens you can do some craaaazy sht its just a bit worse because you cant kill at 0 as easily

[shy shore]

Cuz u can do Sair hit -> Jab 12 Plant Jab 12 Neutral Attack into Upair off top

I would post a clip but can't cuz of perms

[frank vapor]

Same bro

[echo seal]

they made it so you cant spam dodge and then get lucky and parry/dodge out of a combo which makes it so that you are basically locked into infinite combos or regular combos if the opponent is decent

you can obviously use the thorns neutral special but its one time

[shy shore]

U can still dodge out of combos

[echo seal]

yea but the timing is longer after ur hit

thats what they changed

[shy shore]

It's just there's a lock out on neutral dodgd

Not directional

[echo seal]

oh really

[shy shore]

Ye

[echo seal]

didnt know that

[frank vapor]

Yeah i was bouta say tf you on

Spamming parry was a crutch anyways

Also ig is a reverse sweep god even after nerf you just gotta be bad to lose unless it's a bad matchup ig's bad matchups are brutal 🐴

[rancid sleet]

most fun character to play

also makes rifts a lot easier

[frank vapor]

ong

his moves just flow together so well and he's just so different feeling than other characters

[turbid nebula]

#clips message

unironically the amount of times this happens in IG mirrors is so funny

[mellow coyote]

Man i am really not enjoying this new giant

Im glad the nair bs is gone but now he just feels terrible until you randomly kill them at 0

[feral quest]

Omg thats so funy XD

[shy shore]

nair bs still here! just moved to forward air instead of upair

[frank vapor]

I was running IG yesterday and found out they removed down special into airwalker im actually so sad

[rich vigil]

They removed a bunch of things that had no business being removed

Like now you can recharge fuel while wall clinging

Edit: I meant cant recharge fuel

[old fulcrum]

Anybody wanna run 2s with my arya

[echo seal]

always could

i use it to wait out campers on ledge

[uncut bronze]

*cant recharge fuel on wall any more

it's removed

[rich vigil]

Yeah I had a typo, I meant cant

[abstract python]

Rage Mode still bugged too

[ember talon]

Probably will stay that way until Smith comes out

[rich vigil]

Idk if it was just a coincidence or not, but I was doing some custom matches last night and the rage mode didn't glitch during custom matches

[abstract python]

It sometimes doesn’t glitch during the first use of each 2s game either

Its random

[shy shore]

This one is so weird, like it's such a huge change that I am surprised they didn't put it in the patch notes along with other passive changes

[rich vigil]

I don't know why PFG does shadow nerfs but it's probably the most annoying thing that they do

[ember talon]

Being able to refuel on the wall sounds like a buff

[rich vigil]

I meant you can't do it anymore, I had a typo

You used to be able to and now you can't

[ember talon]

Oh

[frank vapor]

rage doesnt bug out for me unless I try inputting an attack while in a different animation

[silver arch]

Despite all my rage i'm still just a giant in a cage

[cold mural]

so do people still think he is busted

[rich vigil]

People do but it's because they refuse to learn the matchup

Hears someone say that IG wins every single matchup in the game

Like what 💀

Tell me you don't know iron without telling me you don't know iron giant

[cold mural]

I do very feel like a gatekeeper for the upper tiers though, i feel like any good character needs a strong matchup against ig.

[frank vapor]

he def is

just not as oppressive anymore

[rich vigil]

That's true for any top tier tho. Yeah, Iron Giant is good, don't get me wrong, but he's STILL being banned from tournaments and he's not good enough to warrant a ban

[abstract python]

I got IG at top 10 but he’s 100% the most overrated character ingame

[uncut bronze]

definitely overrated by people that dont know how to abuse matchups against him

[knotty perch]

tired of trying? Iron giant

[fluid ermine]

He is??? still top 3, that's why he's still getting banned from tournaments

People who says whe is overrated doesn't know a good iron giant

He still op af just because he is heavy, free last stand all game

[abstract python]

Top 3 is insane lmao not when WW/Joker/Shaggy still exist

And him getting banned makes no sense when hes not even undeniable top 1 let alone top3

[fluid ermine]

I agree with joker and wonder woman but he's 100% better than shaggy on 2's and 1's, he just have so much synergys with everyone and he is mad underrated on 1's

I have a friend who keeps winning on every tournament where IG is not banned, he showed me that this character isn't a joke, he still kicking even if they nerf him again

[abstract python]

Why would the character be banned if he’s not even top 1 and the characters better than him are not banned

[fluid ermine]

He can consistenly kill anyone at 40% + with rage? He can kill you at LITERALLY 0%

[fringe meteor]

Quick question, whats Iron Giants best perk

[rich vigil]

He's still getting banned from tournaments because nobody cares to learn the matchup. It's easier to just ban him because everyone already hates Iron Giant anyways and won't complain about it

[rich vigil]

He can no longer kill you at 0% with rage, this is just plain wrong

[abstract python]

Hes bugged rn but when that gets fixed hell be able to again

[rich vigil]

Oh yeah what's your friend's name then. Lemme look him on trackergg

[abstract python]

Wrong Side of the Bed for 2s
1s is the same perk or well rounded

[rich vigil]

I don't think the up special having less kill power is a bug

[abstract python]

Im talking about the animation mesh

[rich vigil]

But the wonky animations, the rockets coming out of the wrong spot and the bubble coming out weird is definitely bugged

[abstract python]

Ive still killed at 0 with the up special u just gotta shoot the side special at a slightly higher angle

[rich vigil]

Ye I know but I think even once it's fixed the rage up special will still have reduced knockback and killpower

[abstract python]

Its way harder tho

He defo cant kill at 0 consistently anymore

[fluid ermine]

Do you really think so? Or maybe is because he has the same problem than in beta where if you don't ban him you have 6 iron giants on top 8 lmao

[abstract python]

Wonder why they didn’t put that in patch notes

[fringe meteor]

What about other perks besides signature?

[fluid ermine]

Also that happened on release just some weeks ago if I'm not wrong

[abstract python]

We had one giant in top 8 when he wasnt banned in Hungrybox 1s tournament btw

And that was the best state of giant since release

💀

[fluid ermine]

Kalelfox09, best iron giant on mexico btw, he got against anthos 2-3 on a recent tournament and you know who is anthos

[rich vigil]

The most iron giants I've seen in one top 8 is 2, they were Carry and Mets. Mets has done really well in tournaments even with iron giant and I imagine Carry would too if he entered more tournaments where iron giant is banned

[fluid ermine]

Also davis just won a tournament with iron giant, lemme search the image I say about the top 8 of a recent tournament where iron giant wasn't banned lol

[rich vigil]

If anything that speaks more about your friend's skill, than Iron Giant's supposed brokeness

[rich vigil]

Davis only wins small tournaments with giant

Davis is also just a really good player. If you put a good character into the hands of a good player, they're going to do well

If Davis played as much Wonder Woman or Joker as he did Iron Giant and played in the same tournaments, he'd have similar results

Davis is also hosting a tournament where he banned Iron Giant AND he banned all but one Gizmo player

Davis is the last guy to take opinions from, he's so biased in everything

[fringe meteor]

So basically Iron Giant is really good but not over powered?

[rich vigil]

Yes

[fluid ermine]

I mean, he still tell me Iron giant doesn't need skill so, I don't know who to believe lol, still, he proves that iron giant still enters in the top 10 easily, he's better than most of the characters but people doesn't realize that rn

[rich vigil]

He's definitely top 10, but being top 10 isn't enough to be banned.

If we're just gonna ban characters that are doing well in the meta, then you better start banning shaggy, wonder woman, and joker too

[fringe meteor]

As a smash player, Steve has been banned in some places but only due to the fact he can CANCEL HITSTUN

And even thats arguable

[fluid ermine]

@rich vigil @abstract python Look at this lol

https://x.com/FrostEsports/status/1810869587040231648

Against tamunokuro joker and shaggy? lol

[rich vigil]

Even then he's only banned from some tournaments

[fringe meteor]

Yep

[rich vigil]

Yeah exactly, 2 Iron giants lol. That just means he's a meta relevant character. Doesn't mean he should be banned. And Davis doesn't even count, Davis plays Iron Giant out of pure spite lmao

[fluid ermine]

I didn't say he deserves to be banned, I just said before than he is way better than people think because he is banned on most tournaments

Cuz I really don't know why people think he isn't a top tier when he clearly is

[abstract python]

Nobody denies him being a top tier

Everyone has him at top 10 minimum

Hes just not banworthy

[fringe meteor]

Reminds me of ROB

[fluid ermine]

Same, two robots, the only weakness they say is that he is big but he still has so many setups to kill you so early in game lmao

[fringe meteor]

Yep, neither are banned lol

Well one is

Other shouldn’t

[fluid ermine]

I think this is the ''agent smith ban era'' let's see how many IG we see on tournaments now

[fringe meteor]

Please tell me your joking

The dude released a day ago

[fluid ermine]

Oh yeah but I think they just banned him that tournament because we don't know if he has any gamebreaking bug rn

He has a loop but I think they'd just ban that if that was the problem

[fringe meteor]

Yeah

[full tide]

How do you beat Finn as IG?

[ember talon]

break his spirits

and his legs!

[full tide]

So play the mental, got it

[abstract python]

Shoulder Charge is your best friend

Prevents Finn from mindlessly charging up whatever against Giant

Once you condition that then its moreso about forcing an approach

Also save bolts for his ladder combos because if he’s close enough to the blast zone then the bolts hit can reversal kill him

[fringe meteor]

Is it just me or is Agent Smith a really bad mu for IG?

[abstract python]

He is

Especially with the hand cannon perk

That disjoint is hard to deal with

[fringe meteor]

As a new IG player, I got hit by a bunch of Agent Smith up b

[deep idol]

u get hit by a bunch of everything using ig

[frank vapor]

No he aint hes at least top 3 most overrated is finn by far

[rich vigil]

Finn is somehow broken and dogshît at the same time

[frank vapor]

Hes completely reliant on the matchup and whether or not he'll be able to 0TD

[sacred raft]

More Iron Giant nerfs for this patch lol

[abstract python]

Killing at 0 is officially dead

Rage mode dtilt could be rough depending on how long the lockout is

Gotta lab that

[rich vigil]

I was hoping this would get him unbanned from tournaments but nope

[abstract python]

At this point any tourney where hes banned is just because hes not fun to fight

[rich vigil]

Yeah exactly. No one wants to leave the MU, it's easier to just ban him

It's gonna take iron giant getting completely gutted for him to be universally allowed in tournaments

[abstract python]

People still wanted him gone at his worst in beta when he was arguably bottom 10

We will never know peace

[rich vigil]

He was bottom 1 at the end of beta

He had nothing going for him

Except like, uptilt into uptilt lol

Ngl I do miss uptilt into uptilt

[barren latch]

Yall still exist after all the patch notes?💀

[abstract python]

Character is still good as of right now

I got him top 10

But hes nowhere near banworthy

[rich vigil]

Yeah I agree

[rich vigil]

Yuh dude, he's still good

[deep idol]

bro he got ANOTHER NERF? his up special literally sucks now bruh

[deep idol]

is he really? this patch look like it kind of killed him, all he has now is rage mode

[rich vigil]

It definitely does not suck

It's worse than it was before but it's still a very solid kill move

[deep idol]

im about to test it in labs rn

[deep idol]

am i tweaking or it feels the same just less knock back? i thought it only hits once?

[barren latch]

I'd love to team up with an iron giant

Taz&IG go brrrrr

[rich vigil]

It spins 3 times except for if you hit an opponent it skips to third hit

Basically just made it where it won't carry people off to the blastzone

[rich vigil]

I just realized, were you talking about the rage mode up special?

I was under the assumption you were talking about the normal up special but now I'm not sure

[deep idol]

im ngl, as a iron giant main for the past 2 years. i have zero clue what rage up special does

[rich vigil]

Well used to it was a multihit move that started underneath him and then would send you into the strong hit at the top but they just changed it so now it just does the strong hit regardless of where the move hits the opponent

[abstract python]

Rage Up Special lowkey not that good no more

At lower percents you just wanna go for dtilt for weakened

At higher percents you just fully charge neutral hit

Its moreso just a move to catch people approaching high but even that wouldnt be useful if rage mode wasnt bugged

[rich vigil]

Yeah it sucks that rage mode is STILL bugged

[frank vapor]

What they do

[frank vapor]

Save shock for the 0TD besides that you gotta be trash to lose

Unless you get unlucky with stage hazards some mfs just get lucky

[frank vapor]

If you wanna kill at 0 just play jason

[rich vigil]

?

[frank vapor]

jason kills unfathomably early 🐴

[rich vigil]

Oh

I thought maybe there was some crazy combos I hadn't heard of

[frank vapor]

I mean kinda he has a few 0TD's + can force you off stage for free with a really short and quick combo 🐴

but he also just one shots a fourth of the cast in rage and kills the rest at 20 easily except for IG but as long as IG doesn't get rage he stomps him

[frank vapor]

ong half the reason IG was ever as strong as he was is because of LS

🐴

[shy shore]

He's not getting banned because he's top 3, he's getting banned because people find him very unfun to play against and it's very difficult to beat him due to hard to execute consistently counterplay

Most ppl don't wanna enter bracket and run the risk of playing vs an IG, die at 20 to jab kill confirm, start their advantage then get reversaled.

Even if IG had barely any combos and was just a damage machine that killed off stray hits, as long as he has bolts burs people wont want him around lol

[lyric forge]

Okay but fr wtf is IG supposed to do against T&J in 1s

[weary arch]

die

[lyric forge]

So true

[frank vapor]

Bring PM it's easy

🐴

smh my head

[lyric forge]

Lol been using that since day 1 barely helps

Scoobys mansion has to be IG worst stage too.

[frank vapor]

naw the new spacejam one

or obviously mojojojo

[lunar sorrel]

Babytron mentioned Iron Giant in an Eminem song does that mean we’re gonna see another IG nerf

[full tide]

IG getting banned at events? There's events?

[rich vigil]

If you're dying at 20 to iron giant you're bad

[rich vigil]

Up special to get through his projectiles. The MU is also way easier if you can manage to kill Jerry

[shy shore]

you are a fool

[full tide]

I love that everyone is so concerned about IG that nobody bats an eye to Bug Bunny's ledge camping baseball bat

[rich vigil]

What does iron giant even do against ledge camping

Maybe he toss a scrap at the right angle

[full tide]

Get lucky with a down air or butt slam

[rich vigil]

I was getting ledge camped by a marvin yesterday

Not fun

[full tide]

Marvin is at least not as oppressive as a character.

[rich vigil]

Idk man that up tilt/air feels pretty damn oppressive

[full tide]

Well of course, you're IG against Marvin

[fringe meteor]

Marvin just can’t kill

[rich vigil]

Yes he can lol

Especially against iron giant because he's so easy to hit

[full tide]

Sadly

[full tide]

That's very character specific

Marvin is really light, and you can easily kill him at ridiculous percents which is so lame

[rich vigil]

Literally IG's only saving grace that mu is that IG can potentially kill Marvin early

[full tide]

Tbh, I'm ok with that. Marvin is already a struggling character and needs something good.

The fact he can beat IG and WW already is nice, but he really struggles against almost everyone else. Poor alien 😢

[frank vapor]

naw bro has pretty good kill power it's just inconsistent

[abstract python]

Depending on the character absolutely nothing lmao

If they don’t have a good button for cannonball then you can play with dodgecancelling that

If they’re some character like Marvin then u just gotta wait till they get back up lmao

[rich vigil]

Yup

I fought zinsideout's Marvin yesterday and he was doing a lot of ledge camping

[abstract python]

ive also fought his marvin

not fun

the reason he ledge camps is because it works lmao

[rich vigil]

Yeah I don't blame him for it but it was rough lmao

[shy shore]

Highkey I hope they remove Iron Giant having lower hitstun than the rest of the roster

Makes MUs like Jason just feel sad since he can't do anything other than grounded upb to hit Giant

[frank vapor]

bro ig is one of jason's better match ups lmao

prolly the worst example u could have picked

even with it tho it's pretty easy to combo IG and he's so big that it's kinda needed

[shy shore]

Giant destroys Jason easily rofl

[frank vapor]

dawg you got no idea

🐴

my brother is lost

[fringe meteor]

Have you played the mu much?

[shy shore]

Yes

[abstract python]

Giant bodies Jason lmao

but thats mainly because Jason is just bad

[rich vigil]

I feel like the Jason Iron Giant MU is probably one of the most volatile match ups in the game

It can really go either way depending on the players

[shy shore]

I disagree

I think Giant edge guards, out neutrals, out advantages and is less frail in the mu

[shy shore]

Working on an IG matchup chart and idk where to rank Arya and Smith cuz I never went against them. Does giant do well?

[deep idol]

iron giant sucks against smith. arya its 60/40 if u can pressure her good.

[rich vigil]

Mets, the 2nd best if not the best iron giant player said that the agent Smith matchup was "the most unwinnable matchup in platform fighting game history"

[abstract python]

I wouldn’t say allat

But hes on the right track

Matchup is abysmal

Agent and Marvin are Giant’s worst

As for Arya id also say 60/40, Feify (one of the best if not the best arya) says she wins as long as you don’t get cheesed/die early

[cold mural]

i have won it, but its hard, smiths grabs and gun are opressive af with ig big hit box

[cold mural]

where are we at for perk picks for giant?

(1v1 or 2v2)

[rich vigil]

I like afterburners especially after rage mode got nerfed and it's still really buggy

[frank vapor]

no tf he don't lmao

[frank vapor]

bro thinks he's bad still and thinks that the matchup is IG sided this mf just don't know anything about jason

[rich vigil]

Id say Jason is as good as the user is

A really good player will generally do really well with Jason and vice versa

[abstract python]

That applies to every single character in the game

Jason is still bottom 3 with extremely polarizing matchups, copium about his kill potentinal isn't gonna change that

There's a reason he's nowhere to be seen in tournaments

[frank vapor]

brother is lost

someone help bro out

[abstract python]

Literally the only top Jason (Skizzy) says the character is bottom of the barrel even after the patches and that the only thing he got was more cheese to work with

Even he stopped playing him as much because of how bad he is

Once again Jason has no tournament showings for good reason

Hint: it’s because hes garbage

[ember talon]

He's still one of the best to us

[rich vigil]

I'ma be real I just wanna be a Jason believer

[frank vapor]

def ain't but he's good

bro's A tier or high B tier

[sonic fjord]

me when i lie

[frank vapor]

it's funny because earlier this week you and qaf spent like an hour tryna lie for an ego win 🐴

[sonic fjord]

so play a game with me and test it

bnkrpt is my user

mr "um all 5 of the vidoe clips you sent testing in game are fake and altered digitally"

[frank vapor]

nice strawmanning it's funny how much you'll twist stuff just to boost your ego 🐴

[sonic fjord]

so you gonna play the game or dodge

[frank vapor]

I'm like a lil grub under a rock and that rock is your mind dawg I'm grubbing in your brain rn dawg I wouldn't take that ngl

[sonic fjord]

thats cool whole lotta talk

come play the game