Harley Quinn

[hoary coral]

is going for the full ftilt string better than cancelling it into utilt?

[severe fossil]

Because people suck at fighting the only combo character in the game despite her major drawbacks while ignoring problem characters who are worse to fight than her (besides Iron).

[neat trench]

PFG please bring back swap ground side and neutral attacks

[stray copper]

Patch coming Tuesday I think from what they posted just now

Hopefully the bat bomb bug gets fixed

[neat trench]

Oh wow a patch coming Tuesday? They sure work quick! Only lost 99.99% of the playerbase before meaningful changes this time around!

[severe fossil]

They should give her back dair and side b triggering confetti for her.

Only up air doing it is a dumb change.

[white basalt]

I know your lame ass will still be here, to sap the life out of everything, so it should be fine.

[neat trench]

Ofc I could never leave this community without making it worse 😊

[covert reef]

Any harley mains know what to do against superman spamming armor moves and his stupid flying grab? Or what about dodging behind him and still getting hit by his armored move?? Anyone??!

I lost to the bs twice

[covert reef]

And so this game is for people who cant play a traditional fighting game to well?

I can't even play harley anymore cause they nerfed her to make her combos non existent

Thanks i guess

[neat trench]

No matter what character I play I always run 2fast2block against Supes

Makes his armored moves trivial and Harleys dash attack is already kinda decent

Nothing crazy like Batmans but it's not bad

With the flight honestly just like hit him with a bigger move or something

Nair will probably outreach it I think

[covert reef]

Im just tired of dying at 50% when harley has to work hard asf to get a kill

[covert reef]

Alright

[stray copper]

halrey, joker, black adam and ww i think can't really get away with mashing

[covert reef]

Ww most definitely can

[neat trench]

Black Adam can get away with mashing nair because of its giant hitbox and lack of whiff frames

Jokers whole gameplan in neutral is to fish for jab or spam side b

[stray copper]

havent really seen a black adam get away with just mashing nair

[neat trench]

WW can spam her shield attacks or sair since she has little to no endlag, startup, whiff, and has huge disjoint and priority even though they "removed priority"

[neat trench]

I do it all the time

And by all the time I mean the few times I play BA

Mostly for power pledge really

I don't like not having an up b that hits

[stray copper]

side special is reactable and if you're getting laddered by ww ub b then thats on you

[neat trench]

It doesn't matter much if something is reactable, she has armor

[stray copper]

you can't cancel it on whiff tho

[neat trench]

Batman doesn't do great against armor even with his new dtilt (if only the perk system told you to equip perks before each match so I can remember to change my dash perk)

[stray copper]

and the amour doesn't last thru the endlag like it does with down smash

[neat trench]

Don't need to

Just hold it

[stray copper]

i guess if your charachter strugles vs armour i can see how that can be annoying

[stray copper]

You can parry Superman’s grab which sounds weird but yes you can parry it

[covert reef]

Wtf

How??

[stray copper]

You just have to time it which should be easy because it’s mad slow. But right when his fist reaches you, just nuetral dodge and you can parry it. Surprisingly not a lot of people know this. It’s like a 50/50. Some do. Some don’t

[stray copper]

But the parrying is very consistent you can do it everytime you know he’s gonna fly grab you

@covert reef also I think someone said this but bring armor breaking perks. I think someone mentioned 2 fast to block and then there’s armor killer. Best two perks to go against anyone spamming armor against you when they are playing Superman. I love these perks they really are game changing. These perks are also good against WW and Jason

[stray copper]

u wot

its a hitgrab?

are all command grabs like this?

[stray copper]

I’m unsure if all command grabs are able to be parried I personally did not test that. The only one I know you can parry is Superman’s because I fought a Superman or a couple of them and I nuetral dodged his fly grab not thinking of anything and it just parried the move.

We can’t post clips here but @stray copper @covert reef I will send you both a clip if possible of it that yeah Superman’s grab can be parried. Once I seen that I just do it to every Superman and it’s very consistent as long as you’re timing it correctly

[white basalt]

#clips

just ping them when you post it

[stray copper]

Rip I already dmed it to them 😭 thank you tho 🙏

[white basalt]

nw just seems like extra work, but nw if its already done.

[stray copper]

Also to all my fellow Harley mains don’t let Superman mains keep secrets from you😂. Putting you guys on game that don’t know that you can parry his fly grab 🙏💯

[stray copper]

It was 😭 but next time 🙏

[white basalt]

can you post it in clips so i can see it?

Ive done it before

[stray copper]

Sure

[white basalt]

but im more curious about the timing

[stray copper]

Tagged you in it

[white basalt]

Cool, good stuff.

[opal pier]

Idk WW might

[white basalt]

it has been 11 days

bro

💀

[stray copper]

are there any true setups into up b anymore

besides batbomb I guess

[strong plover]

What are Harley’s best perks??

[stray copper]

No they are all gone after the nerfs. The only thing you can follow up after to do up b is her dash attack. But the opponent has to be high percentage and DI incorrectly

ah so the combo character has no combos any more

got it

[stray copper]

Pretty much yeah, if they aren’t dodging or di ing correctly they will be caught in a combo. You can catch them with fair but it doesn’t combo into anything other than up air

[severe fossil]

Yet people are still saying she needs to be nerfed more or is still S tier :/

[white basalt]

Idk Ive always viewed harley as a punish/setup character

I get most of my ringouts with punishing burnout and upspiking with batbomb at the top of stage

Her combos were pretty nasty b4 but the nerf was way to heavy handed, she really has no true combo starter anymore

[indigo silo]

I have her Beach Variant skin it's good.

[stray copper]

I hope the nerfs were more of a "we need to just get her out of the meta now and we'll come back and do something next patch (which would be today)" and not something they think was warranted or healthy for the character

[covert reef]

I kinda hate using her now

Feels unrewarding

[stray copper]

I understand the slide nerfs, as it could be combo'd into, combo'd out of, used to approach & low profile, run away quickly, basically just a jack of all trades move. but the nerfs were wayyy too harsh

utilt nerfs are what ultimately killed her tho imo

having a charachter with 2 kill moves (up b, uair) and removing every single way to combo into it (fair, slide, utilt and jab 4) makes no sense to me

the only real confirm she has that I can see is just knocking your opponents up then detonating batbomb

deadass I don't even think I can put her above b rn

[covert reef]

Omfg why like I CANT COMBO WITH HER!

Like ffs!

[covert reef]

@white basalt any tips cause lowkey tired of WB influcing pfg to make dumb decisions or like wtf, where is her damn combo starters?!

[turbid wing]

Purposely going in character threads, especially the ones you don’t like to Harass the people who play these chars is loser activity

[severe fossil]

Here we go.

AND MORE NERFS, COOL!

[stray copper]

We actually got our combo game back but yeah we can’t hold onto bomb anymore when we bring it up. This is fine, it’s not like I hold onto it for too long anyway

[severe fossil]

I don’t even see how holding the bomb was a problem, the knockback only matters when they’re by the blast zone already.

It’s not like Bat Boy’s bomb that sends you flying at 50-60 by itself.

But if they still haven’t fixed it going through the box and not latching either then it’s still a big issue

[stray copper]

honestly idk why that was a thing at all

it's not like you can use it in hitstun to break a combo

[white basalt]

The bomb change is whatever

Not being able to hold it forever kinda sucks, same with stripe, because it was a mental game; an intimidation tactic to scare people into over adjusting.

But I'm not pressed about that

I hope the just FIX THE BOMB GRAVITY.

For those of you who DON'T know what I'm talking about

There is a bug with batbomb, when thrown, randomly and without indication the batbomb will not be affected by gravity or stick to any targets before exploding.

The amount of times I've thrown batbomb up, and it GOES INTO ORBIT, has driven me crazy. Harley was already nerfed and her one true combo starter was gutted, they put end lag on the slide, AND THE BATBOMB DOESNT ACTUALLY WORK HALF THE TIME.

Yet this character is still "S tier"

Anyone who still complains about Harley is actually a mouth breather.

So let's pray they actually fix the character instead of "fixing" her everything button

[neat trench]

What if Harley just has a really strong throwing arm

That's why she uses a bat

She actually wasn't a doctor

She was a pro baseball player

[icy canyon]

The bug I believe was the result of a "fix" from beta that prevents the bat bomb from sticking to your down special balloons. It shouldn't float forever unless you throw it through your trap.

[white basalt]

IS THAT WHAT IT IS???

honestly now that you mention it 🤔

youre right

it does only do that when touching the box

Well that helps a whole lot but still

FIX IT

grrrr

[stray copper]

up air buff

interesting

oh okay so instead of iving us the combos back they removed bat bomb setups and made up tilt even harder to follow up on

got it

[hoary coral]

No? Advancing hit branch window essentially means we can combo out of up tilt sooner

[stray copper]

utilt sends higher now

[hoary coral]

Which means she can combo again

Bomb changes are wtv we gotta see how it plays out

[hoary coral]

Yea that was the nerf from last patch no?

[stray copper]

no it literally sends further away it does more knockback that makes it harder to combo 💀

[hoary coral]

So then what would the point of the on hit branch window increase be

What does it even do? Nothing?

[stray copper]

wait no i misread only up air got the knockback increase

[hoary coral]

Wasn't the point of that change to allow us to have something out of utilt by allowing us to act earlier?

[stray copper]

maybe up tilt will combo but i dont think she'll be able to get there fast enough

regardless i think a combo character with 2 kill moves should have kill confirms, but most of them is gone

you cant proc batbomb and try to set something up now, you have to pull it out and immediatley throw it, meaning you have to stand still for like a second or two

[icy canyon]

Keep in mind the universal increased delay out of hitstun for someone to parry. That probably means Harley has some real combos from utilt again

[stray copper]

parrying wasnt the issue up tilt sent too high to combo off of

[icy canyon]

oh well, fyi parry WAS an issue at 0, people could just parry any followup at low percent even before utilt sent them too far away

[white basalt]

Im so hype for the update aaaaaaaa

[stray copper]

why you were going for uptilt anything at zero is beyond me

kinda sucks they gutted slide tho i liked using it for extending combos

you could batbomb fair slide jab jab jab uptilt up b batbomb and kill ant like 20 and there was nothing your opponent could do

[unkempt oxide]

Harleys knockback is embarassingly bad.

[stray copper]

imo give side special its intagibility without the perk and make the perk let the shot apply confetti and deal more knockback

or at the very least let us fire the projectile in the same direction the shot was fired in

just more kill moves in general are needed

or give us the combos back into the kill moves she had

[wet prairie]

i’ve been thinking this for while her side special is so weak

[hoary coral]

HARLEY IS REAL

I CAN COMBO

[stoic blaze]

how ?

@hoary coral

[hoary coral]

i can combo moves out of utilt now

[stoic blaze]

what moves ?

[cobalt granite]

ok so is it known that harley has infinte down special

it has no cd anymore but its clearly bugged because the counter goes into the negatives

so hey you get to become a setplay zoner until the hotfix

cus this is annoying af to deal with lmao

[stray copper]

No she has a cooldown on it

[cobalt granite]

lmao no not anymore

its bugged bro

[stray copper]

????

[cobalt granite]

charges goes from 2

to 1

to -1

to -2

you can just use it despite it being on cd now

like go into training and you will see I tested it in a match as well so its not just in training mode

[white basalt]

YOOOOO

LMAOOOO

this is so epic

[stray copper]

wtf

[white basalt]

W

[stray copper]

???? First they fix bat bomb bug which was driving me crazy that bat bomb was bugged and now box has no cD wtf Lol

I’m happy with the changes I wanted my Harley back it was annoying not being able to combo when the rest of the cast could but now she has some of it back I’m glad and the bug changed I’m happy about idc about the Uair nerfs that’s fine I’ll deal with that

[stray copper]

I told you this game is still in gamma

[cobalt granite]

this is not even a new bug

was the case with superman lasers before

just every patch 1 character is chosen for a secret buff

[stray copper]

Dm me the new combos 👀

[stray copper]

uptilt up b is back I think

[stray copper]

Finally. It was dumb we couldn’t even do that. The slide nerf is whatever I delt with it. But the up tilt into up b that got gutted was making no sense because other characters could do a move into their up or uair

[stray copper]

they should've done it with ww armour proc

[stray copper]

especially since pretty much every other top tier has some sort of ladder combo, weird for them to target harley

[cobalt granite]

I mean I am not a harley player so take this with a grain of salt. But harley and the way she was pre the nerf was absurdly obnoxious and just really REALLY unfun to deal with

I think she got nuked due to that aspect more so than anything

overly nerfed ofc

[stray copper]

Them keeping the slide nerf is understandable. The uair nerf is not a huge deal. I see they went in a direction of keeping some combos but keeping out the ones that felt too easy to execute for people fighting her

[cobalt granite]

hopefully she is now in a more stable state

besides this bug ofc

[stray copper]

Definitely more stable, the nerf was too much and I’m glad they understood that

[stray copper]

Been playing her since open beta so I get you. The slide combos were way too free so the slide combos being gone should stay gone but yeah the nerf to not have her up b after utilt was too much. That on top of the bat bomb bug

[cobalt granite]

what was the bomb bug

[stray copper]

Couldn’t detonate it and would take out another bomb

[cobalt granite]

huh well fair enough lol

[stray copper]

Also it wouldn’t attach

I played harley in beta and a play her on the side now, and I think slide was probably changed the most besides down b being changed to float away

[stray copper]

Which drove my brain against the wall

I can't remember it being that good back then

otherwise she plays pretty much the same

[stray copper]

^^^

Bomb often times wouldn’t attach to my opponent and it drove me insane

So I’m glad the bugs got fixed

[white basalt]

peep #clips

[stray copper]

no way they made up b ladder on its own like it used to 💀

[white basalt]

wrong reply

my bad

[white basalt]

peep #clips 🤭

that first match i was really feelin it

the second one i kinda sold

but i pulled it back

[river yew]

How's harley she doing better after the patch? Havnt been home to play

[stray copper]

Oh My - 😳 with the July costume too? We are so back

here we go

[white basalt]

feeling really good, they made a change with her bomb, where you can only hold it for 5 seconds. it kinda sucks, but they fixed the collision and gravity issues with it when colliding with box and weird terrain.

[stray copper]

why are they just now pinging for servers lol

[white basalt]

Oh yeah that box inf does work btw

I was like -7 boxes in a 1v1

It just keeps letting you place more

[river yew]

Glad the bugs have been fixed on her bomb. I read the change about holding it. But maybe now we can reverse ladder kill by holding it and stop combos or pressure with it as well

[white basalt]

its been feeling a lot heavier too, less floaty and bouncy

youll have to see what i mean when you use it

[river yew]

Yeah more heavy sounds interesting. I def need to tey

[stray copper]

Bruh why does reindog look like a highlighter? 🤣😂😂

[hoary coral]

it is

[stray copper]

yeah up b up b up air seems like the best kill confirm now

[stark blaze]

how do you challenge harley slide

[stray copper]

Jump over it and punish it or just dodge and punish it’s very punishable now

[icy canyon]

Step 1: stay just outside of their dodge-cancel range to avoid getting jabbed/fair-ed
Step 2: watch them like a hawk because inevitably they'll be tempted to slide in on you
Step 3: Jump
Step 4: Profit

Don't challenge it since the hitbox is still pretty active and there aren't many moves big and fast enough for you to throw out a disjoint on reaction. MVS is all about that neutral game

[stray copper]

you can challenge it from above but it depends on the character

[stark blaze]

bro dropped the method😭

tysm

[stray copper]

its actually propoganda so we can fair you

[icy canyon]

sssshhh don't tell them that

[stray copper]

slide combo extensions have got to be my favorite part of this character

there's something magical about it

[upper lance]

Pretty good. I understand most of the nerfs though i felt up air made more sense to be delayed on whiff instead of on hit

but thats just me

[fervent gulch]

how do I deal with Harleys sticky bombs+the floating box

I feel like every time she has those out I just have to respect and wait it out

and there's basically nothing I can do

I know dodge deals with the explosive box

but that's very predictable

[white basalt]

A lot of projectiles not only trigger box without being destroyed, but also will destroy the batbomb (reindog fire, batterang, Marvin bubble, etc)

[white basalt]

If you're playing a character with no projectiles then waiting it out and respecting it is really the best thing you can do.

Box will eventually float into space and the bomb can only be held for 5 seconds now, so it's 100% stallable.

[turbid wing]

All projectile characters have a lot of whiff

Punish in that time gram

Frame

[white basalt]

He was asking how to deal with box and bomb, I don't mean use projectiles only the whole match, there are windows to use them.

And if you're suggesting you should never use any projectiles due to the fact that they have wiff, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[fervent gulch]

that makes sense

[barren notch]

honestly

this character is so broken

[stray copper]

I would disagree hard. Her overall combo game was nerfed, her slide combos are still nerfed, she really only has one true combo which is utilt into up b which doesn’t even kill as early as Finn does with his ladder combo into his up b (backpack) that kills at 20-30 upper blast zone, her bombs aren’t as floaty anymore and are way easier to jump over and just dodge, she’s way more punishable fishing for moves, box is useless unless you know what you’re doing but even then it’s not impactful, she still struggles to kill, still dies early, joker still has 2-3 true combo routes that kill early at 40-50

Actually right now Finn has been being talked about as S tier.
He has a true ladder combo into up b that kills at 30

[stray copper]

Oh also her uair was nerfed

She also can’t hold onto bomb anymore

She was actually nerfed more than she was

She’s in a good state rn

[barren notch]

so ur telling me a character that kills at 60
has a sair or aeiral combos that are not only easy to do but so annoying and a broken combo start in air
zoning projectiles that u literally can't do anything about it
a slide that is really broken and puts her hurtbox to a ground that ALOT of moves can't kill her
a uair that kills early even tho it's nerfed and way more annoying with gigantic hitbox
a nair that u do and move with so smoethly and kills super early
u think that's not a broken character ?

[stray copper]

Just a bit more nerfed

[barren notch]

also joker does not have a kill early at 40-50 rn

if finn is S tier and joker is S tier then harley is up there 100%

[stray copper]

You shouldn’t be dying to Harley at 60 if you’re dodging. There’s no way you’re dying that early against a Harley. You have to be either di ing wrong or dodging the wrong direction

[barren notch]

it's not ( good ) it's ( broken and overpowered )

[barren notch]

LOL

that's like saying

u shouldn't be dying at joker's old broken combo when it existed

if u dodged the first hit

that's funny

lol

[stray copper]

Yes he does. The nerfs he got didn’t touch his combo game he still has crazy combo routes

[stray copper]

Who do you play? We can play right now if you like, I can fundamentally tell you where you’re going wrong, because again, no Harley should be killing you at 60 unless you’re just not dodging or not di ing right you have to be doing something wrong

[stray copper]

Actually she’s not. Void put her in A

Void put Finn and joker S tier rn

[barren notch]

u still didn't answer

anything

same response from me

[barren notch]

.

i think u should learn harley then

[stray copper]

Played her since open beta, I believe I know her enough. Who do you play?

[barren notch]

batman bugz joker finn and lebron

n jake

[stray copper]

All of those characters should not be dying at 60 to Harley. Especially Jake. He weighs more than the ones you listed. What move is killing you at 60? What side of the stage are you on? Up? Down? Is she killing you up stage?

[barren notch]

oh trust me if there is a replay system i would've shown u it's a combo starts with sair and i found myself dead at 60

not even high

close to stage

[stray copper]

Sair shouldn’t be killing you at 60. Are you di ing in?

[barren notch]

did u read my msg ?

i said it's a combo that starts with sair

i didn't die from sair

it's a combo that started with sair

[stray copper]

Starts with sair? The only thing she can do off that move is uair or continuing it

[barren notch]

i don't know harley combos but i died at 60 from a combo that started with sair

[stray copper]

Did she do the kicks and the push off you?

Like do a backflip?

Because that’s the end of her sair

[barren notch]

yeah that's why i said if there's a replay system i would've shown u i don't remember and i don't know what she did

at all

i don't even remember what happened

all i know is that i got hit by sair

and then it combo'd and i died instantly

and i had my dodges

[stray copper]

Yeah it sounds like what happened was she caught you off stage and then sair and finished her sair into the blast zone. That move doesn’t kill at 60 unless you’re mad close to the blast zone. I’m talking like you both are practically touching it. Did she catch your dodge?

Did you di in? It sounds like she caught your di or dodge

If it killed at 60 that means you had to be crazy close to the blast zone. Were you fighting her offstage?

We should play and I’ll recreate the scenario for you. Who were playing at the time? Any one of those characters definitely could have moved or did something to avoid that interaction

By what you’re saying it really sounds like you di id inwards. Either that or she caught your jump or dodge. It just sounds like she read you. There’s something you did previously for her to read what you were gonna do to hit you with that move and you died

You both also sound like you were way off stage and playing very close to the blast zone because I promise you that move doesn’t kill at 60 like at all. Unless you’re in that situation. If that move consistently killed at 60 I would be a happy camper lol

I wish I can kill people like Jake at 60 😭😭😭 he’s a heavy character there’s no way I can kill him that early unless he made mistakes

[river yew]

Harley definetly ain't broken

[stray copper]

Definitely not, I think he dodged or di id the wrong way

[river yew]

Yeah only thing that kills off hair if you spike em into the corner. You can sair up air. But that would mean they jumped even higher to get caught by it cause you gotta be pretty high to die from up air and not bat.

[neat trench]

Shes top 3 wdym

[river yew]

Lol this is a hilarious take. I found it even funnier when people thought this during launch too.

[neat trench]

Top 3 are literally Joker, Batman, Harley bud

Insane DC favoritism from the devs

[river yew]

Batman? Yikes. Joker for sure. But batman is WAY to flow chart to be near top 3. Finn is insane, WW still good. Even bugs is before batman imo

[neat trench]

Batmans busted dawg even the Batman mains agree

[river yew]

Tbh Steven's nair,defense, and movement still make em pretty damn busted too

[neat trench]

His advantage state is the most oppressive in the game, he's got strong neutral, and apparently a 0td

[fiery scroll]

I feel like top 3 are: Joker, Iron Giant, tom and jerry

[neat trench]

IG and TJ are mid

[fiery scroll]

how

[neat trench]

T&J are zoners

The zoners are all really bad

IG is big heavy combo food

[stray copper]

Yeah and then he died at 60 definitely made a mistake somewhere

[upper lance]

very big =/= mid tier

[upper lance]

a lot of IG's moves are really strong and not to mention his tool kit being one of the best in the entire game

an example is how he has an active burst and his air side special

[white basalt]

This chat is goofy lol

Harely in top 3? i wouldnt say allat now, shes good, but like High A is where i rank her.

Esp when finn, Joker, Adam and Steven are pub stomping rn

But meta doesnt mean anything when there is no ranked mode to speak of, and no tournaments worth anything post launch.

Im sure agent smith will drop and be dominating or F tier there is no inbetween with this game

the characters either drop OP and broken, then nerfed, or undertuned and microbuffed into a playable state.

[grave cradle]

Harley is NOT and is nowhere near top 3

[stray copper]

Bro I swear. I’m so tired of it. Everyday random people come in here just to harass us

It’s always something I. This channel

We can never be at peace

Even when Harley got hard nerfed

People still came in here to harass

[orchid tree]

harley's been bouncing around top 5 since alpha

you'll be fine

[stray copper]

Finn has a true ladder combo into his backpack that kills at 30 up stage

[stray copper]

Not even close to top 5 rn especially with Finn rn

Finn is 100% s tier rn and Morty is also up there

Void put Finn, joker and Morty top 3

[white basalt]

Finn mains be like "don't challenge us vertically and you'll be fine."

It's like mf I can't even jump without getting 0td what do you mean

[orchid tree]

so you think shes top 6 huh?

[stray copper]

Void put her mid A tier she’s there I believe. The still can’t combo, her slide combos are gone and up air got nerfed, bomb is heavier now so it’s way easier to dodge

She only has one true combo now and it’s very flow chart

[stray copper]

That backpack is like a vacuum bruh. Finn’s combos are disgustingly good rn

Even after the nerf joker still is wild with his 2-3 combo routes into up air. His crowbar is still insane. They need to nerf the Hitbox on crowbar

Wonder Woman is still crazy with her jank hitboxes when she hits fair

[grave cradle]

How can Harley catch people if they choose to run away

[stray copper]

Because of how slow this game is, everyone practically runs away. They running away to the other side of the stage? Jumping around in one place? Camping by moving back and forth away from you?

Happens to me all the time

And because the game is slow in speed, people do get away with this a lot

[grave cradle]

As a Harley main it feels too difficult to rush down and hit and run doesn’t work that good either

Sometimes I can’t even catch opponents when I read the dodges cuz sometimes Harley can’t do anything about it

(Depending on some situations)

[grave cradle]

I see the first and third one a lot

Harley can NOT compete with top tiers

[grave cradle]

So there’s nothing I can do I just gotta cope🥲

[stray copper]

There is, you just have to play the same nuetral and punish whenever you can. Unless they speed the game up, people will always run away and camp

[grave cradle]

I don’t feel like that applies to some characters tho

Like I was playing against a Arya and the second I got close enough they would dlight and even when I would catch it I could barely punish it

[grave cradle]

It lowkey feels like she can’t compete to some matchups

[white basalt]

She definitely has a harder time because her kill options aren't as great as the higher tiers (finn, shaggy, WW).

Harley's most effective kill range is 80+

While some characters have very reliable kill options at 55-70, it feels like you need to do much more than your opponent to get the same value, and it's much easier to be rung out as Harley due to her being so light her launch health is like 65+

[upper lance]

I wouldn’t say steven, but yeah joker and adam are definitely a threat

[river yew]

Steven definetly a threat too.

[neat trench]

I mean Shaggy rn is literally just his kill options

[grave cradle]

I’m sick of Arya dlight

[stray copper]

mastering confetti can make your reliable kill range easily below 70

bat bomb too

the interesting thing about harley is (as far as I'm aware) she's the only high tier with no horizontal kill options

and even within her vertical options it's pretty much just up b, up tilt and confetti, all of which usually need some sort of setup

Thats why the up tilt nerf basically killed her

I think having side special kill wouldn't be too ridiculous and would make people who just run away far more manageable

[humble saffron]

Darn Harley is too fun with confetti, you can kill someone with it at 20.

[barren notch]

the slide

just the slide

unpunishable

[stray copper]

It’s not. It has a ton of end lag and is still heavily nerfed. Jump above and dair. Easy punish

[barren notch]

yeah easy punish man

[stray copper]

It is though they nerfed it hard

[reef vessel]

any tips in harley vs arya?

most of the aryas are just running away and waiting for ur first attack, if not they're spamming dodges

this is so d0gsht i swear

[next beacon]

Morty is trash 🤣

[next beacon]

Naw top 3 gotta be Harley , Finn, joker

[stray copper]

Not according to all the pros tier list but okay sure

[stray copper]

LOL top 3 is WW, joker and Finn according to all the pros Harley is mid A tier

[next beacon]

Define “pro”

[white basalt]

Morty is really high in the meta rn, he's just not popular with casuals, he's got a lot of tech.

[next beacon]

Define “casuals”

[white basalt]

People who don't play him regularly or understand any of his tech, he's not really a pick up and play character, he needs a lot of practice.

But Morty grenade tech is insane.

[next beacon]

I guess most players don’t know how to use him then cuz most times I play against him they are trash

[white basalt]

Real

Because I've fought a lot of trash Morty's in pubs

[next beacon]

I’ll admit earlier today I went against someone who clearly knew what they were doing ..

And yea I lost lol

[white basalt]

But I've met several morty mains in this server that are crazy.

[next beacon]

I believe it after what I witnessed today

[white basalt]

He's just got advanced tech, he's S tier if you know how to use him, but like he's gated by high skill floor

[next beacon]

I’m gonna get good wit Finn , he don’t seem so technical but still satisfying to main as

[white basalt]

Finn is just disgusting rn with the changes to hit vacuum and his buffs.

He's getting nerfed next patch fs

[next beacon]

NOoOoOoOoO

[white basalt]

At least tuned down

[next beacon]

Jk

[next beacon]

Fair

[white basalt]

That mf has 2 0-D and one is basically true at 35

He needs to be stopped

He's the reason ranked ain't out

[next beacon]

Sheeeesh

I hate playing against taz mains

[white basalt]

Id 2v1 iron giant over 1v1 finn main fr

At least id have a chance

[white basalt]

Only crack users play taz

[next beacon]

Once samurai Jack drops it’s over 😤

[next beacon]

Ong

[white basalt]

Those MFS huff glue

[stray copper]

I’m convinced Finn will get nerfed. This true ladder combo into back pack that kills upper blastzone at 20-30 is disgusting. Every Finn main I fight fishes for it ever. Single. Game. Every. Single. Match. After the WW nerfs I’m running into nothing but Finn players

I run into people that don’t even have hours on him and don’t even play him. Play him

And you know what? I don’t blame them. Get a free kill at 20 guaranteed why try right? 🤷🏾‍♂️ EZ W’s

[plain canyon]

Why does jab slide upspecial drop

I need her kill confirm pls

Sm1 send

[stray copper]

Won’t happen. We get one tiny kill confirm we getting the hammer

🔨

[neat trench]

Harley mains when their character isn't top 3 anymore

[cyan sand]

im fine wit that tbh

at least we get more respect for getting reads and clips

[river yew]

Harley isn't top 3 at all lmao

[next beacon]

She is the way I play her.. shittin on s tiers

[river yew]

To be fair she hasn't been top 3 since beta.

[next beacon]

She top 3 for me personally

[unkempt oxide]

new combo in the combo chat

[neat trench]

Nair is like y'alls Shaggy side b

[kindred lily]

does anyone know the best harley perk set for 1s

[nimble night]

I usually prefer the angleable down air
But the side b dodge could be useful

[kindred lily]

so not the up air perk? got it

[nimble night]

I haven’t used it
I imagine it’s good for combos if you’re good and paying attention to the number of stacks
I think the reward from the burn is more consistent

[neat trench]

It can be pretty broken

[nimble night]

It’s good if you know how to use and control it

Otherwise the default burn is more consistent

In my experience anyway

[kindred lily]

oh, so none of harley's special perks are bad?

[neat trench]

Guess not
Confetti detonation takes a bit of skill and knowledge though

[kindred lily]

oh

[nimble night]

i havent used the side special perk before
doe it let you dodge through opponents

cause if so that would make it easier to hit i imagine

[small sleet]

when ranked

[stray copper]

Facts

[neat trench]

Never the devs said they wanna get the balancing right first

[vagrant bronze]

where is the harley quinn therapist skin?

[stray copper]

Hopefully when S2 starts 🙏

[sacred hamlet]

somehow only find true fun while playing harley or banana these days

[nimble night]

yeah harley is pretty good bt im kinda surprised how fun she is too

jason is fun too but thats another post

[radiant quest]

literally one of the most punishable moves, if you cant punish it then its just a skill issue

never had problems with punishing that move

[small sleet]

skill issue but if they spam it fast enough theres no way

[white basalt]

Just jump over it and down neutral, it works for 90% of the roster.

[turbid wing]

Not what a casual means

[white basalt]

bro why are you living in the past?

I said that a week ago

[neat trench]

He's like me but instead of arguing intentionally he's just egotistical

[white basalt]

bro wants to be you, thats crazy 🤭

[neat trench]

Fr

[stray copper]

It’s the same song every week we sing when people come in this channel just to say nothing. Lol. They need to be in the joker channel. Character is a free w

Pick joker = Ez win

[white basalt]

Honestly the morty ufo loop makes me want to die

so like i feel like morty is in a worse state than joker

Finn's 0-D is also really obnoxious

[neat trench]

There's no way Morty is stronger than Joker

Joker can 0td on low ceiling stages, especially against lighter characters

[wary furnace]

IDK how to play her anymore lol

Joker time

[neat trench]

So real whenever I get sick of losing with a fair character I just play Joker

[sly vault]

Wish I could completely agree with that statement. Alas I cannot.
Each character (and I have been playing since the title’s pre launch 3 years ago) has been tuned and retuned so many times I feel they are all pretty balanced and just fun to play.
Personally I think they made a really great SSB type brawler here.

I just hope it doesn’t vanish off the earth again

Oh right and rules ✅🔥

[white basalt]

Literally people only come in the chat to read things that's been said week(s) ago and disagree

Youre entitled to your opinion even if it isnt how i see things 👍

[neat trench]

That's so based tbh

[sly vault]

Well you seem a little jaded toward the game and yeah everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
You appear to work for IGN and play this game for a living or for fun?
Either way if you don't like people commenting on your comments maybe post as anonymous?
Time frame of my post has zero to do with my opinions.

[white basalt]

Bruh, I don't work for IGN

IGN stands for in game name

My opinions don't mean anything, I'm just saying you're replying to a conversation weeks later to create what? A discourse or debate over how we both perceived how characters launched? It just seems like we're arguing over something pretty subjective at this point.

(Nearly 2 weeks now excuse me)

[sly vault]

I'm not trying to argue anything with you. Sheesh.

[white basalt]

Then let's drop this :))

[sly vault]

✅

[grave cradle]

This game needs to add more weight to Harley
Tell me how a Jason side special killed me at 50 from the middle of the map

[limpid dune]

We don't need another wonder woman or joker that can easily abuse last stand, we need more combo routes and bugfixes

[grave cradle]

Yeah but she dies way too early dawg

She’s too hollow

I hardly even survive past 100

[white basalt]

It's a mystery how I end up at 153 sometimes

I'll get spiked around 80 but on some maps I just like be living for way longer

Chromulon and Adventure times 2v2 map

[neat trench]

Adventure Time 2v2 map is so unreasonably large that they might as well give players healthbars on that map

I just LOVE how it has TWO levels and since the top one is a platform it's really janky and weird to play on so everyone just fights on the bottom, 500 light years away from each blast zone

[neat trench]

Jasons only thing is kill power rn

His side b kills very early

But at 50... I think that's a DI issue

Even more than that honestly

You might have just failed to recover or something because I'm pretty sure Jason can actually chain side b into another jab > jab > side b at that percentage

Either that or you're lying about your position and you were on the edge of a small map

[grave cradle]

I was resisting btw, I promise you it wasn’t a di issue

[grave cradle]

I was on Dexters lab

[neat trench]

https://medal.tv/games/multiversus/clips/iiXiIpewbyhhyQkyq/d1337ZXVLvdG?invite=cr-MSxodE8sOTc0MjQ2MzUs uh huh

[white basalt]

Love that map

W map fr

[neat trench]

I love Iron Giant not dying until 500%

[white basalt]

Nah real tho gotta ring him out horizontally

[neat trench]

Even the side blast zones are a 3 day trip away from the map 😭

[white basalt]

Send that mf Amazon prime, same day shipping

[hallow willow]

Guys best main perk?

[white basalt]

I like 5 percent but confetti is really good if you can ladder combo

[radiant quest]

anyone else feel like harley can be sometimes inconsistent with her combos? Or is it just a skill issue xD

[white basalt]

Unreliable netcode has made many slide combos and arial neutral starters not land or like slip through my opponent.

It's just a game bad moment.

5%, Confetti, Smooth Moves.

In that order

Normal perks

Press the advantage ( this is good for both 1s and 2s)

The middle category is whatever I like the 100+ perk that makes knock back attack deal weakness. But 2 fast to block is pretty good.

3rd perk pugilist is really good, but the Ariel refresh perk is really good for chaining air KOs if you be doing ladders.

[radiant quest]

ahh okay makes sense

[untold hearth]

Any good Harley players to watch these days? Trying to find good examples to shadowbox with

[neat trench]

I'm the worlds number 1 Harley

[white basalt]

Bro couldnt hit a mallet to save his life

[grave cradle]

Ok maybe at was at the edge😭🙏

[grave cradle]

What about glove control?

[neat trench]

Beta try hard shenanigans, kinda corny

[grave cradle]

Idk, beta glove control wasn’t as good as this one is

Even tho it’s a small change it is better now than beta

But confetti is really good, potentially the best of the 3

[radiant quest]

tymier

[neat trench]

Tymier is an awful person

[radiant quest]

really? I dont know anything about him besides that he is a good harley player

what did he do?

[neat trench]

Lots of slurs

Ungodly amount of slurs

Most of the community doesn't like him

[radiant quest]

oh wow

ive only heard him say the n word (I know he can tho xD) a few times in his vids but dang

didnt know

[neat trench]

Unfathomable homophobia and racism it's unreal what that guy does

Since he's toxic and always trying to start something with someone, most of the twitter community doesn't like him either

Not too long ago he was trying to get me to run a $2000 money match with him which was just corny honestly

Corny, toxic, and a bad person

[radiant quest]

ill prolly still watch his harley vids but now i know atleast

[radiant quest]

thats actually crazy lol

[white basalt]

Proof? 🤔

[stray copper]

lol I love it when I’m fighting a Finn that just fishes for TOD the entire game, camp and run

Taz shouldn’t be able to infinitely charge his sandwich move and move back and forth during the entire match

That needs to get nerfed

[primal fjord]

what's up beautiful people

[neat trench]

It's actually balanced and fair because the sandwich can't kill until like 60%

[stray copper]

Regardless of the kill power it shouldn’t infinitely charge

[neat trench]

Actually it should because otherwise how else would he juggle you infinitely

[hallow willow]

Tips for a new harley player?

I'm fairly good at the gsme I play finn alot

[hallow willow]

Also best perks?

[neat trench]

Abandon Harley, play Jack

You'll be more accustomed to busted swordie hitboxes

[hallow willow]

Jack aint even out bro

[neat trench]

Well he will be in less than 24 hours

[hallow willow]

Is he not gonna be like agent Smith with the 2 week thing

Or whatever

[neat trench]

No??? He's advertised as the season 2 release character they said he drops on release

Beetlejuice is coming later

[hallow willow]

Ohhhh okay sixk

[white basalt]

@hallow willow dont listen to this loser, play who you want

[neat trench]

@hallow willow Don't listen to Officialmilk she is literally abandoning Harley to play Jack tomorrow

[white basalt]

Picking up a new character doesnt change the fact i have nearly 2k wins on harley, and thrashed you 3-0

[neat trench]

Wow 2k Harley wins vs. 100 Batman wins 🙄
With 20 times the experience on your character, it would be REALLY embarrassing to lose that 🤔

If this were the beta my Shaggy would have cooked you fr

Too bad he's a different character now

[white basalt]

Your lack of experience isnt my issue, if you were better at the game, you would have won 🤷‍♀️

simple as that really

[neat trench]

Remember all that carrying I did when we were in 2s?
I am clearly the better player 🙄

[white basalt]

I did triple your dmg on a lot of those matches, knowing 1 ladder doesnt make you good, it makes you a 🌽 🏀

[neat trench]

You do NOT want me dropping the screenshot where you didn't even deal 100 damage brobro 😭🙏
You only did better when I was on Velma, quite frankly, I'm the better player

[white basalt]

you needed to put some work in, I was tired of carrying your lame ass.

mr. 100 wins

[neat trench]

100 wins and carrying you is crazy ngl

[white basalt]

If you think i wasnt playing with one hand, while i brainrot scrolled skibidi toilet, youre dreaming pal

you carried my backpack

[neat trench]

You were hard carried bro bro 🙏

[white basalt]

I carried your family tree to victory lil bro

[neat trench]

Anyways you ready to farm ranked tomorrow?

[white basalt]

indeed, jack is gonna go crazy in ranked lmao

[neat trench]

Idk if I'll be playing Jack for the first while tbh
I just want those skins really so I might just stick with a character I already know how to play, unless Jacks insanely busted and can gimp everyone into free wins

[meager storm]

We seeing some Harley buffs in todays patch? 🙏

[orchid tree]

shes still top 5, why she need buffs?

[neat trench]

Because she doesn't have a free win button

[meager storm]

I’m greedy. Plus I was joking

[stray copper]

W we got buffs 🙏

[grave cradle]

She is NOT top 5😭🙏

[neat trench]

Oh yeah? Name 30 characters better than Harley

[steep galleon]

Make Harley Combo Again

[neat trench]

Ungodly skill issue

[steep galleon]

Don’t Tymir have you wiped down?

[neat trench]

Tymier was begging me for a $2k money match and he's a loser IRL

He's a homophobe and awful person

Idk why y'all love him so much

[river yew]

Joker,Iron Giant, Superman{he has a jab to infinite currently. once thats gone he will be mid tier again] Agent Smith, WW, Finn, All better then harley IMO.

Top 5 might be BARELY argueable currently

[limpid dune]

What tymierr? the one who haven't paid the people that played on his tournament?

[silver mist]

so how do you fight harley, like really?
I have so much trouble against her

[grave cradle]

What do you struggle with

[silver mist]

a few things for sure
the slide I always seem to get hit by despite people saying its easy to counter, but I just never can manage, it always hits if I ever try to counter it
up special is a nightmare, especially when I was fighting a harley earlier and she would use it at ledge and I just couldn't even attempt to edge guard cus I'd obviously get hit
neutral air just always seems to be a perfect tool I can't do anything against either, they always be zooming across the stage charging it and bam I get KO'd

[grave cradle]

• Ok, for Harley’s slide you just gotta see it coming, or if you know your opponent will do it you could either just jump or dodge and that’s a free punish
• for up special, you can probably catch it if you dodge and you are in range, for edge guarding it your only options are to either dodge it or challenge it if your hit is is big enough to spike
• neutral air is only good when it hits, a lot of moves can probably hit Harley before the nair does, also it’s very punishable as long as you are in a decent range

I could be wrong tho cuz I’m not a pro at this

[silver mist]

its a better answer then "skill issue" at least so I'll take it lol

[grave cradle]

I’m not that toxic (i think)

[silver mist]

but I will try to put these into effect
one thing that's always annoying is when game jank causes my dodge to not dodge something
cus there is so many times where you see "dodged" but you still get hit, not much I can do there when that happens naturally pfft

[grave cradle]

It’s either you did a dodge attack and the move still beats it, or the move somehow outlasts your dodge frames

But I do understand where you come from, I feel like there is still jank in it

Now it’s my turn for questions, how tf does a Harley beat a Finn😭🙏

[silver mist]

that's a question many will ask for sure hahah

[grave cradle]

I’m so sick of them all just TOD fishing, playing passive, and running around with grounded moves

It genuinely feels like I have to watch it happen

[stray copper]

Diamond 5 Harley #7 Harley 😤

[silver mist]

okay so I really realize what harley move I have trouble against
forward air
a harley will do like down air and instantly into forward air, there is no lag inbetween them so if I try to punish down air she can hit me

just fought a harley abusing this and of course she t-bagged despite me almost bringing it back

so how do I fight against that

[stray copper]

If a Harley is spamming this move, you can space yourself accordingly and go for a punish. It’s super punishable up close if she misses it. As a Harley main I fight Harley player that spam the move as if that’s the only move in her kit. But all I do is space myself and then punish. It’s super easy once you can read that’s what she’s going for. You can also jump and dair. Who you play?

[silver mist]

well currently I've been playing Jack, new character and all that
which you would think means I should easily be able to space but it never seems to work out

[stray copper]

Hmm this a tough one to answer because of how new jack is. Im unsure what’s his fastest button, his spacing etc. I’ve fought a lot of them and I’m still trying to figure it out. I would say use your sword to space. Especially if she’s gonna spam that move consistently

[silver mist]

air down special might be my best bet, but I guess I'll have to keep playing to see for sure

[stray copper]

Yeah for now I would say space with your sword. Thats the best I can give you rn I’m still downloading jack and what he does so forgive me 😭

[silver mist]

you were willing to give advice, that's the most I can ask for sometimes pff

[grave cradle]

It’s been two days😭🙏

[stray copper]

😭

[sacred hamlet]

dang what am I missing in my general play. usually relied on harley for my wins

getting bodied pretty bad

by everyone

[sacred hamlet]

feels like I finally resolved my issue

harley be ballin now

[calm blade]

Nice

Im usually hella good with harley

Except when the opponent is either shaggy or that numb dumb rabbit

They make me feel bad

[river yew]

Got to really outsmart shaggy and bugs. i usually reverse lateral shaggy since they fish for uppercuts.

Keep box in front of me so if they kick they get punished

[sacred hamlet]

got to grind to gold top 200 with harley 2v2 before finished

[pseudo patrol]

How does one beat finn lmao

[queen heart]

If you play this you don’t deserve to live

[neat trench]

Batman Who Laughs pfp? This better not mean you play Joker

[queen heart]

maybe

[neat trench]

Playing Joker is worse than playing Harley

[hoary coral]

how do you fight morty?

[open merlin]

any1 have the harley discord server if there is one

[rigid leaf]

GG to that Harley I was playing with, 'twas a good run

[queen heart]

nah

i changed anyway

[white basalt]

this advice is huge

I struggle hard against uppercut

[river yew]

A well timed bomb will have them second guessing it. Either keep box under you. Or have a bomb on you or even them so if they do go for that jab to uppercut theres a chance they explode for a reversal. Harley struggles with the upercut cause shes so damn light tbh

[steep galleon]

Gimme tips on how to beat gizmo

[grave cradle]

Ngl can someone give me tips on how to beat Finn? It lowkey feels like if they are good it’s a guaranteed L as Harley

Mainly cuz of that damn 0 to death

[turbid wing]

Use your projectiles more

Finn has 0 projectiles

Use glove control

[turbid wing]

^

Hammer breaks car

[grave cradle]

But he has a side special that completely negates those options, and if he breaks them with side special he can walk unpunished

Wait

I just realized I’m talking to tymier lol💀

[steep galleon]

Bros wet rn 😂

[grave cradle]

Chill😭

[turbid wing]

U gotta place ur box on the map then play around it

Then throw ur bomb on yourself then use ur dair

He can’t use that move forever

And u can bait that move out

If he uses it and when

Then you

Can punish with hammer

[grave cradle]

I’m ngl I never thought of that
I appreciate it🙏

[dusk radish]

how does harley deal with characters with armor ?

[river yew]

Use armor perks. I usually bait em out with glove as well. Now that armor takes meter theyll also eventually run out its something to keep your eye on

[turbid wing]

Running attack, play around her box play around her bomb

[upper lance]

Bait them with glove

[neat trench]

Armor always took meter

[dusk radish]

chat tf does harley do against jack

[neat trench]

Sair comes out instantly, nair outranges most of his kit, side b/dair are projectiles you could try to abuse, you have your dtilt which is probably good in every matchup ever

[dusk radish]

thank you zypten very cool

[river yew]

In the beta i swear it didnt.

[neat trench]

It always costed meter

Guess it was less noticeable in the beta

Since everyone basically had infinite meter

[river yew]

Yes definetly meter in the beta never seem to deplete

[cyan furnace]

#NerfHarley

[river yew]

Stay bad? lol

[stray copper]

Imagine saying this when void just made a tier list and put her bottom A. WW, Joker, Finn are MUCH bigger threats in the meta rn. He put Arya best character in the game rn. I think it’s just skill issue on your part and maybe learn the game? Do better? Lab? 🤷🏾‍♂️

[white basalt]

Bro must have gotten his tail whooped

womp womp

[grave cradle]

Think u gotta hang it up

[young vale]

People saying HQ doesn't need a nerf are just coping atp

[white basalt]

Why? Cause you lost to one so bad, you're convinced she needs a nerf?

[stray copper]

Imagine saying Harley needs a nerf when the meta is dominated by Wonder Woman and joker and has been dominated by them for two seasons 😂. They tried to nerf them, did nothing and Wonder Woman got a buff two patches ago 😂😂😂

[stray copper]

Finn: *does a true 0 to death combo into back pack that kills at 30

MVS community: NERF HARLEY

[white basalt]

They're sad they can't tilt into her and win like 80% of the games they play, its hard having to use your brain, but I have faith one day... One day they'll gain a wrinkle or two.

[stray copper]

Joker: does the same true ladder combos that do about 40-50%

MVS COMMUNITY: NERF HARLEY

[white basalt]

What's even broken about her?

[stray copper]

Wonder Woman: gets nerfed and then buffed again

MVS COMMUNITY: NERF HARLEY

[white basalt]

I really can't comprehend it, id like to know what is so OP, so I can abuse it before it gets nerfed.

It feels like whenever I play well as Harley, I have to play out of my mind, 90000 IQ batbombs and boxes.

Feint half of my nairs and up specials and spend half my meter to get a few jabs in.

I get that I'm hard to kill but like, lmk what needs to be nerfed so that I can use that more.

[stray copper]

Gsmvoid: *puts Harley bottom A almost mid tier while every character is above her

MVS community: NERF HARLEY

@white basalt bro facts. I wish I had a true ladder combo that kills at 0

[stray copper]

Or maybe even a combo that does 50%

I wish Harley had cool stuff that allows her to ignore neutral

[stray copper]

Also big surprise. They both play joker the people who complained just now about nerfing her. It never gets old 😂

I mean like void out tax above Harley in the tier list. It’s sad

[stray copper]

We hate to use our brain 🧠. Remember? We want easy.

[river yew]

Coping with how bad you are saying a A tier who was nerfed twice already needs nerfs is crazy tbh

[grave cradle]

A low A tier character needing nerfs, crazy take

[radiant quest]

yea 99% of the people in this server dont know what they are talking about lmao, you can never take them seriously

[grave cradle]

On bro

[versed plank]

They framed her jab as a buff

You can hit jab IAD dair anymore

They nerfed so many of her combos

#combos message
This what she could do before the patch

[versed plank]

Character doesn’t have to be OP to get nerfs

Me personally I think if she has less hitstun from up attack where as you cant do a follow up then she will be balanced

[stray copper]

Skill issue

[stray copper]

Essentially you are saying she should have at least one combo. Remove hitstun so she can’t do 1. 1 combo. Up tilt into up b. They did that. They nerfed that remember? Then they admitted it was too much and too heavy of a nerf. She had 0 combos and then they reverted it and allowed her to combo into up b again. Where as joker and Finn have massive hitstun and can do true ladder combos and do about 40%. Finn can kill with his 0 to death. Joker can still do his pogo stick combo. Other characters in the game have more than one combo and you wanna remove her ability to do one combo? Void was right. You guys in the MVS complain about literally anything and what it nerfed because you refuse to
Learn. If they nerfed her up tilt into b, she will be a mid tier character again.

[stray copper]

Why? That would take the identity away from her Again. They did this nerf when they gutted her slide combos and everything. Her WR dropped and she became terrible. She got buffed and the devs themselves said the exact nerf you want and they already did, they admitted was way too harsh and took the identity away from her and gave her the up attack into b back. So essentially you want something in the game where devs admitted was too heavy a nerf to revert that. This game is doomed if PFGS continues to balance the game based off what people like you say. Actual skill issue. Seriously. There’s nothing busted about a character void put very very low a tier bottom of the barrel. HE EVEN PUT TAZ ABOVER HER

[stray copper]

Like I’m actually pissed there’s NO WAY you actually believe this. Joker and Wonder Woman are MUCH bigger threats. Been threats since season 1

Actual skill issue. Like genuinely go lab.

[radiant quest]

havent seen such a dumb take in a while

[versed plank]

Basically your main argument in this paragraph is saying that there is much bigger threats than Harley so they shouldn’t focus on her????

So when LeBron had is loops they shouldn’t nerf him because there are better character??? Im sorry that’s not how balancing works. I never said they need to nerf Harley to ground nor have I said that she was OP, I simply stated one suggestion that would make her balanced. Funny how you literally agreed by saying she will become mid tier(which is obviously false) but a lot of mid tiers are balanced out.

As you stated the nerfed up tilt into up special, and if that one combo removal is such an issue then your obviously playing HQ wrong. She had mid+ combos and potential, so I don’t know where you getting “0 combos” from.

[versed plank]

I wasn’t even specifically referring to up tilt into upspecial as well there are more follow ups you can do…

[radiant quest]

I refuse to believe that there is an actual human typing this lmao I cant

[versed plank]

“The devs themselves said-” yet you go off to say Finn and joker are threats since launch

Where is the devs input now?

[versed plank]

PFGS is barely even balancing of what people say 😭😭😭 nobody said nerf LeBron although it was partially needed.

Barely anyone said nerf stripes gun cancel

No one other than WW mains asked for lasso cooldown to come back

But do you know what people are saying:
Buff Velma since season 1 instead they reverted a change you could already do in beta and not buffing her since then.
they gave her a bugfix for season 2 and left her with so many bugs that works against her favor

Nerf Finn - he didn’t get touched at all during his peak

The buff Velma and nerf Finn are literally the two most popular balance request…

[versed plank]

Ok bro, where’s your rebuttal?

[radiant quest]

buddy you are NOT worth debating after what you just said lmfao 💀

[versed plank]

I only stated a suggestion that would make her balanced

If you’re just gonna throw out insults for no reason then there’s no point of responding.

[radiant quest]

trust me there is one, but you do you bud

[white basalt]

They ain't nerfing Harley lil bro I hate to break it to ya 🙏

There's a reason the players are the players and not the authority on balance, fighting game players have too much internal bias to balance this game, too many people use personal experience when trying to dictate this kinda thing; and you just can't when looking at a game like this. Because it's often the pilot that makes a character good, not the character themselves, because you can still play an S tier and suck; and play a mid tier and perform on the level of an S tier character.

Harley can perform at an S tier level 100% but she's not braindead, nor does she have any unhealthy combo/tech like several characters on the roster have and abuse maliciously.

If you wanna make the argument that Harley is a strong character that could be tuned better, sure, as most of the cast is in the same state rn; but she isn't broken on a fundamental level. It requires a lot of time on Harley to actually play her at that level, it's not like chaining a bunch of true combos into a kill confirm; she's a set up character with box and bomb.

If you find yourself dying to the mallet nair spammers, and slide spammers, it's not a Harley issue; it's a you issue. Learn spacing and force her to wiff so you can punish, or learn how to Parry, if you can't do these things reliably then you definitely need to reevaluate your skill before suggesting a nerf to a character.

[versed plank]

I never said they should and I never said she needed one.
I’m basically saying if she does get one it should be up tilt hitstun

I don’t think Harley is op nor a threat compared to other characters

[white basalt]

But why nerf a character who isn't unhealthy to the ecosystem of the game? It just doesn't really make any sense, this just gen seems like bias cause you don't like getting caught in the up tilt combo.

It's not true by any means

You can wiff/di punish it

[versed plank]

But it’s always the players who are finding bugs, loop combos and other mechanics not the devs

The devs act out on what players find

[white basalt]

But those aren't the case with Harley is it? She doesn't have loop combos or anything similar right now and hasn't since the swap to unreal 5.

[versed plank]

I didn’t specifically mean up tilt into up special that’s what sora said

[white basalt]

But the community still screams that Harley is broken

It's like just a really silly sentiment

[versed plank]

You don’t need to be op to get nerfed. All I said was, IF she does get one they should target that

Or have a good ass loop

[white basalt]

I wish I had a good loop, cause Id use it until it got nerfed, reality is Harley's kit is just solid which makes her hard to deal with.

If you don't know her spacing well she'll take advantage of that, it makes her feel hard to hit and punish, but I've been hard checked and wiff baited by aryas who understand the MU well.

You don't need to be op to get nerfed? I don't really agree with you on that, a character should really only be changed when absolutely nessicarry. With live service games like this, changing a characters kit can cause inadvertent changes to how that character interacts with the meta.

Its almost irresponsible to nerf a character who is in a good spot, unless that nerf is to fix something that's exploitative, because of how much it can change with their kill confirm numbers, their combo connects, etc.

[versed plank]

LeBron had to get nerfed for his ball loop. And he was no where near op

[white basalt]

I don't agree that LeBron should have been nerfed

[versed plank]

No character in the game should have a loop that can’t be di early

[white basalt]

I don't work for pfg

I can't tell you why they did that 🤷‍♀️

But I wouldn't use a questionable nerf as a point here

I don't think anyone agrees with those nerfs, LeBron wasn't in a bad spot, so those nerfs def seemed very out of place. I don't think you'll get any pushback on that, but that shouldn't be the norm, that shouldn't be how they handle EVERY character

Or this game is gonna suck.

[stray copper]

The most L take. Say you are bad without saying you are bad

[versed plank]

That would make sense if I said

Harley’s OP
Harley needs a nerf
Harley combo is too good

[stray copper]

@versed plank You literally said this tho

[magic bane]

I played in the beta and am trying to play again now, why did they remove the scroll wheel? I mained harley but the game doesn't feel as good without it, I'm not sure if maybe I am just not inputting it right in the controls section

[versed plank]

In the sentence I didn’t say she was
OP
I didn’t say she NEEDED one
And I didn’t mention how good any combo was all I said was that she shouldn’t have that much hitstun in order to follow up

[radiant quest]

wasnt talking to you

I was agreeing with you lmao

[stray copper]

No I know I was saying he had the L take 😭

[stray copper]

I know I’m sorry text makes things miscommunication 😭

[stray copper]

What you’re saying makes 0 sense. Why shouldn’t she have that to combo? Joker has way more hit stun for his combos

[white basalt]

its subjective, Idk why were fighting about character balancing like ANY of us make fighting games

its such a weird argument to have, best to let people have bad opinions if they have them, if theyre actually interesting in learning theyll do it on their own

[versed plank]

Joker is a different issue. If I wanted to talk about how good joker is compared to others then I would go to the joker channel

[versed plank]

Alright

[white basalt]

Lol yall are ridiculous.

[versed plank]

You’re right

[white basalt]

any of yall worth anything in ranked 2s?

I need a duo

[stray copper]

I don’t play 2s but I’m diamond 5 in 1 s

[white basalt]

that sounds misrable, do you smile at all anymore?

[radiant quest]

all good lmao

[stray copper]

No because I’m not masters 😭. But the RP system is so trash it’s wild. Imo it shoulda just stayed one and dones. Doing a forced best two out of three only to win and gain 7 RP is sick work

[stray copper]

Playing these crazy sweaty matches only to gain 7RP but lose 13 😭

It’s worse in masters my friends told me

[river yew]

Pft she's already balanced. Period. She's what a good character should be rn
Not OP not completely butt.
Her lateral this time around takes reads. It's dodgeable. So this whole thing about nerfing up attack is invalid anyway.

[neat trench]

https://medal.tv/games/multiversus/clips/imuQv2LJyxBE0Z5wm/spok?invite=cr-MSxjSFEsOTc0MjQ2MzUs I'd say nerf the confetti perk

[river yew]

Ngl that jack wanted to hover where the box was. Lowkey his fault 😭😭
I've done worse without confetti. Thing is you gotta be clever

[white basalt]

Bro didn't take care of the box 🤷‍♀️

That's what did the ko anyways, the confetti helped but I doubt it made the difference

[stray copper]

Starting to remember why I muted this specific character channel 😂

[radiant quest]

@river yew finally someone that makes sense

[river yew]

From beta to now I stuck by harley from the infinite attack decay loops to where she is now. I feel like she's never been more balanced.

[grave cradle]

I agree, but I lowkey feel like she kinda doesn’t fit in the world of this meta

[grave cradle]

I’m fine with the best of 3 but I am SICK of this RP system and it needs to go😭🙏

[river yew]

It's cause she takes clever setups and actually feeling for yo opponents playstyle as to where most the meta right now is touch ya for free percent or death

[grave cradle]

On bro, I be seeing it

But I’m ngl

this got nothing to do with Harley

But RANKED NEEDS TO GET FIXED IM TIRED OF LOSING 30 POINS AND GETTING BACK 6😭🙏

It’s like how mmr was I can’t do this no more😭

And I say I won’t come back till it gets patched but I still end up playing

[eternal peak]

It'll get fixed lmao

they recognised it on reddit

the complaints abt mmr matchmaking and the rp system

[neat trench]

MMR matchmaking is necessary in order for worse players to reach master

[eternal peak]

Yeah idk

Prob wont take that away

[river yew]

I'm a fan of the grind. But yeah the rp point scale is kind of out of whack rn

[neat trench]

Tbh I need it to get that skin

Even with it I might not though

I'm so ass 😔

[foggy geyser]

what is harley quinn's bread and butter ?

[white basalt]

confetti

[foggy geyser]

?

[white basalt]

her signature perk

confetti

its her best thing

[hot rain]

dr capote

5200 harley wins

5400 total wins

how do you get 3 stocked by a stripe

[versed sinew]

Down tilt and then just start pressing buttons idk, when i play harley i get to that point and then i black out and wake up on the win screen

[neat trench]

Stripe is S tier wdym

[hot rain]

you're kidding right

and do not answer that Harley Queen is H or Q tier

[neat trench]

Dude Stripe is S tier idk wym

[hot rain]

what

[upper lance]

now theres something i didnt expect

[versed sinew]

Stripe may not be S tier, he certainly has less answers to situations than most of the cast, but hes the most fun character in the game imo

As a stripe main, i play characters like Batman and Bugs and its like "wow, these are just better characters" but theyre not as fun

[neat trench]

They removed everything that made Stripe fun because the devs hate "the skill gap" unless "the skill gap" involves DC or that stupid rabbit

[versed sinew]

I mained him in the beta and he feels pretty much the same, the only change i noticed is his neutral special which i think works better now

[river yew]

Not even close to her bnb

I honestly think stripe vs harley is in stripes favor. He has moves that negate bomb and box. A better jab. And his dash attack will kill before Harleys. Put that together with how good dynamite followups can be and it's tough.

[white basalt]

Its usually down to whos the better pilot

its a -1 at most for harley

more like -0.5

[tidal osprey]

He also ain't the best Harley. Played them in ranked a few times

[hot rain]

So much time invested to be mid

[slender wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpjhsA4rz1U

[young vale]

Literally.

[vagrant bronze]

what character has burning?

[stray copper]

Nice

[cyan furnace]

Get out

[stray copper]

You get out

[white basalt]

Im pushing D2

we're so close

just a little bit more and ill be in the top 20, then im gonna learn morty :3

[stray copper]

💯💯💯

[stray copper]

Represent the Harley players 💯

[young vale]

Harley mains physically can't play a non-meta character

[grave cradle]

What makes you say that?

[river yew]

Cause they lose to harley to convincingly lol

[grave cradle]

Why everyone think Harley solos the game when she dies efficiently at 50😭🙏

[white basalt]

I know it's hard to imagine in your mind

But sometimes people just play a character they like.

[white basalt]

AYO savageelite21

🤝

Welcome

[runic tiger]

hey guys! just wanted to let you know the vast majority of you are toxic asf and really corny thats all have a good day!!!

[grave cradle]

🤝😭🙏

[white basalt]

You seem like the authority on toxic, I'll take your word for it.

[stray copper]

Says the guy with a morty pfp. Isn’t Morty also very toxic? Actually I would consider Morty even more toxic than Harley.

Running away, refusing to fight and engage, we have to play cat and mouse against Morty players and don’t forget trying to spam dirt and fish for dirt into up air. Running to the other edge of the stage, do dirt, run to the opposite end of the stage, do dirt again. Rinse and repeat for 10-15 minutes of a set

[little badger]

True, Morty is probably my least favorite to fight simply cause they refuse to interact most of the time

[stray copper]

^^^^^

[stray copper]

Now that I think about it almost 90% of Morty players I fight, don’t wanna fight. Don’t wanna play the game. They just run. Run. Run. Run. Run. Dirt. Dirt. Dirt. Run. Dirt. Grenade. Grenade. Run to the Edge of the stage. Do that again. Do that again. Do that again. Dirt. Dirt up air. Do that again. Do that again. Run more. Run more. Oh yeah. Also. Run more

[little badger]

Yeah, I think there might be characters with better moves that are harder to fight but there’s nothing more annoying than someone blatantly refusing to scrap

[stray copper]

You ask the community Morty players are twice as much if not the most toxic character in the game compared to Harley

[little badger]

Just isn’t fun to play against

[stray copper]

Sorry but you didn’t cook. You play Morty. Who is the most toxic character in the game with the running away and camping playstyle while spamming dirt

[stray copper]

Right. Saying we are toxic asf but you have a Morty pfp. LMAO we will cook you in here

[stray copper]

Morty players:
⛺️ ⛺️ ⛺️ ⛺️ ⛺️ ⛺️ ⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️⛺️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️⛺️⛺️⛺️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️🏃🏻‍♂️💣💣💣💣💣💣💣💣

[little badger]

Ok bud, calm down

[runic tiger]

bro is a little too heated💀💀

if you lose to a. morty after these nerfs it’s simply a skill issue im sorry

[stray copper]

I don’t lose I’m pointing out your hypocritical comments about us being toxic when you play Morty lol

[stray copper]

It’s a skill issue if you lose against Harley over and over, come into the Harley channel to say Harley players are corny and toxic because you keep losing to her over and over. Doesn’t sound like I’m the one with the issue. You came in here to complain 🤷🏾‍♂️😂

[runic tiger]

ok i have one more thing to say. you cant call me hypocritical because im “complaining” when you said this about morty

seems contradicting if you ask me

[stray copper]

It’s not me complaining though. About 90% of Morty players I fight do camp and run and fish for dirt into up air. You ask the community they will say the same thing. It’s not complaining. It’s a fact that majority of Morty players do this.

I actually can call you a hypocrite. You assumed that I lose against Morty because of my comment so you say he got nerfed skill issue if you lose. We can say the same thing about harley. She got nothing but nerfs. The only thing she got buffed was her hitboxes because they are bad and people fall out of her combos and attacks more than they should. Other than that joker and Wonder Woman are much bigger threats and way more dangerous as characters

[stray copper]

So to say if we lose against Morty it’s a skill issue but then come in here just to complain and harass calling us toxic. Is toxic. Like I said. Hypocrite. With that I’m done with this conversation

[runic tiger]

lol

you’re still complaining brother 😭😭

[ionic phoenix]

what sig perk do you guys use?

[white basalt]

Confetti

[eternal peak]

Hold up

It kinda stinks in here

Ew

Jk

I fw harley

Annoying sometimes tho

[unkempt oxide]

what’s yalls fav harley skin?

[white basalt]

The new one

Hack and smash Harley

[sacred hamlet]

Confetti now only. Used to be a big glove user but confetti can get some awesome early kills that can change a match

[upper lance]

I still use glove mainly because it helps her in neutral

[grave ferry]

Confetti since my keybind can not aim

[grave ferry]

Beach party

[ionic phoenix]

Okay I need to experiment with using confetti. Then other perks I assume would be flammable, movement speed, and pugilist?

[upper lance]

Snowball last stand and pugilist

Those are the perks you mostly see with confetti

[grave ferry]

Can flameable turn into confetti ?

[grave cradle]

Pretty sure it can’t, flammable is projectile only, and up air is a physical hit

[grave ferry]

Alr then
Buff harley side special

[grave cradle]

On bro

[sacred hamlet]

What do yall think of the other perks? Fire best one or damage?

[gloomy roost]

BUSTED CHARACTER

HAMMER DOWN MOVE IS BROKEN

[white basalt]

Womp womp

[grave cradle]

Don’t catch an aneurysm my guy😭🙏

[river yew]

Not calling the slowest move broken. That's crazy

[stray copper]

Literally the slowest and most punishable move in her kit

[stray copper]

Womp womp

[errant python]

imo harley is most not fun to play against character

[white basalt]

thats fair most people dont have fun when theyre losing tbh

[sacred hamlet]

I don't really have a problem against Harley. Only have difficulty against good players.

[runic tiger]

the average harley is predictable and usually not a problem to deal with

at least for me

[grave cradle]

Yeah

To me though, Finn and Arya are the most unfun characters to deal with

[white basalt]

Made it to masters! (in 2s) 🥳

@stray copper

[stray copper]

LMAO

[stray copper]

TEACH ME SENSEI

[stray copper]

Im hardstuck Diamond 5 😭

[white basalt]

You wanna hit em with the hammer

Then the bat

[stray copper]

💀💀💀😂

I can’t climb out of diamond 5 singles 😭

[white basalt]

Oh yikes I can't do singles anymore they're so toxic

I prefer to play black Adam in singles tbh

[grave cradle]

On bro😭🙏

[stray copper]

Think I’ve seen over 30 salt emotes and tbags while I was climbing 😂😂😂😂

Scratch that everyone does it lol

[white basalt]

It's just ugly, I prefer to help my teammates climb, this game is 10x more fun with friends than alone.

[grave cradle]

I’ve been waiting too long for this game to update, I gotta thug it out to masters🫡

[white basalt]

I also finished the battle pass, all the events out rn, and rifts

[grave cradle]

Wait I forgot I had battle pass to finish😭🙏

[white basalt]

Needed that jack skin, it's soooo clean

The tier 66 sticker is also pretty goated

[grave cradle]

Ain’t no way the game pulling me back to get my rewards😭

[white basalt]

Only thing I've had to work for was masters and the Rick skin for ICON

I'm 14k/17k to it and I'll have everything you can buy in that shop for cybucks

It's clear I have an addiction

[waxen lichen]

omg I didn't know there were character channels I have finally found My People......

[waxen lichen]

and literally same 😤 got everything save for the third circuit chip, 8000 more tickets and I'll have "completed" the event

[white basalt]

We still have more challenges next week too

[waxen lichen]

How good is Harley with That's Flammable Doc? I feel like snowball's better solo, but should I swap to it if my partner's running it?

[white basalt]

I run snowball always, for some reason (idk if it's intended or a visual bug), but that's flammable doc doesn't show the fire indicator above my opponents head and it BUGS me. Harley's kit already does fire dot anyways so a DOT build is kinda pointless if box, batbomb, and up neutral already ignite.

Idk if that's flammable and confetti stack, but tbh snowball effect is a passive 14% damage boost to the higher damage target for you AND your teammate. No amount of DOT damage is better than that IMO, but either way I suggest confetti more than anything.

[vagrant bronze]

should I buy the Harley pool skin or the Joker who laughs skin?

[solar crown]

Harley pool skin especially for the 5th rift

[rocky quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/margot-robbie-chewing-gum-hot-harley-quinn-suicide-squad-gif-20152225

[white basalt]

[rocky quartz]

[grave cradle]

This game gotta adjust blast zones, tell me why I got one shotted by a jack neutral special cuz I was too close to the blast zone (I hate Dexters lab with a burning passion)

Like the platform and blast zone are so close to each other it’s like walking off the map will kill you from the side

[sacred hamlet]

Ewww

[rocky quartz]

Eww?

[upper lance]

up to you

but beach harley has a 4th of july version so theres that

[stray copper]

@grave cradle I’m ngl that was just you playing on dexters lab 2. I swear that’s gotta be one of the worst 1 v 1 stages. The map is mad big and wide (pause) and there will be people living past 130 on that map if you try to kill them vertically. Especially wonderwoman and Superman it’s like they have a complete advantage over you because the blastzone is so far up and the map is so big. The platforms are horribly placed and the stage is too small and closed in. Worst map in the game for 1 v 1s. They need to remove those two random small platforms that are above the other two. Make the map smaller and not as wide and make the stage itself a little bit bigger.
It’s so stupid how the upper part of that map is the worst oart

I hate dexters lab 2. I also think they removed the water tower from the 1 v 1 Que because I never play on that stage anymore. Those two stages are terrible and need a rework

Womp womp

She has end lag on slide, nair, up air, sair

We aren’t. Shes bad. Go to the joker channel. Joker has been broken for two months doing the same true ladder combo that kills at 40

Joker can do an entire combo off of one jab and you die at 50 but Harley is busted? Womp womp

Jab 1, dodge, into pogo stick, down b, side b, into ballon into up air. True and has been true for two months

Because you came in here to say nothing. Joker and Wonder Woman are in the game and Harley is your biggest problem rn?

I’m delusional when multiple pros even void himself said joker and Wonder Woman are top 3 and have been top 3 for two months now? He literally made a video about how stripe and lebron got nerfed but joker is still op

She’s bottom A

Womp womp

Why play Harley when I can play joker or Wonder Woman and let the characters play the game for me and easy climb to masters? You aren’t making sense. If I was in a money tournament with 1,000$ on the line. I’m picking joker

Womp womp i don’t know how to defeat Harley so I come into this channel to complain about a character who gets nerfed every patch and hasn’t been meta for almost three months now. 🍼

Joker, Wonder Woman, Finn, gizmo are all way better than Harley rn

Says the guy who came in here and said “Harley gets downplayed”

Womp womp

Compared to the meta characters and the nerfs she keeps getting yes she’s not that good anymore. I’m sorry but you shouldn’t be complaining 🤷🏾‍♂️

Who do you play?

Just stating a fact 🤷🏾‍♂️

Who do you play?

So wait you want me to answer your question but you won’t answer mine? 😂

Womp womp

Okay are you good at the game? Yes or no?

Do you struggle to beat Harley?

Yes or no