Finn The Human

[undone mirage]

But then again I also thought Fern would have been better off with his own moves too. Time to fill up the roster with Finns.

[opal wharf]

this doesn’t work w regular slap right?

[lofty pasture]

no

[opal wharf]

I think I saw double jab into down tilt before is thet real ?

[lofty pasture]

you can still predict it tho

yes but its kind of useless

just do double jab into uptilt then his 0td

[opal wharf]

well at later percents I guess uptilt sends them flying too far up

but I don’t know when downtilt kills

[lofty pasture]

high percentage near the edge and has to hit at the right point

much wores than in beta

also at higher percentages up tilt ftilt is true

then u could do side b i gues

[opal wharf]

at high percentages the friend i playtest against (Rick main) usually flies to the top of the map where I can’t reach him with a double jump

[solemn adder]

Any Finn’s want to 1v1

[torpid ginkgo]

best finn perk?

[old fractal]

Signature?

[dim gale]

Backpack damage buff

Imo

[rotund wraith]

I feel like this character just cant kill anymore it always takes super high percents

[spiral wagon]

has to be cap

what about charged up attack?

[spiral wagon]

nvm

it's kinda 50/50

idk why side b teleports us now but uhh yeah up b not killing and a lot of moves not killing until really high %s is a bit meh

[rotund wraith]

All of his old kill options got gutted so hard

[deft laurel]

He still so no skill just neutral and up b it your entire character

[neon eagle]

Thats what I did, I switched to black adam now

[mystic wagon]

1v1 me

[spiral wagon]

the side b teleport as a substitute for his old teleport just feels kinda weird but w/e lol devs kinda weird with it targetting projectiles though

either way yeah he's now pretty mid compared to rest of broken cast

[frosty depot]

how do you whiff punish as finn

i always get punished when i go to whiff punish them

maybe its just harley being the problem but idk

[deft laurel]

I’m not dealing with up special and Nutella attack all game

[frosty depot]

how do i hit anyone without them dodging my attacks

i genuinely cant hit anyone

every single poke, combo, appraoch tool just gets dodged

like how do i counter spamming dodge

[mystic wagon]

if you're losing to mashers stop autopiloting, moves aren't even good on their own

[frosty depot]

I give up

I can’t dodge anything yet everyone I face can dodge every single one of my attacks

I genuinely don’t get what I’m supposed to do

[woven gazelle]

anyone have stats on how gold stacks with backpack attacks with the signature perk? like is it hard capped a certain number

[lofty pasture]

side b was always like this

also its used completely differently than teleport so i wouldnt call it a substitute

[long quail]

Can someone help me with Finn practice

[lapis stag]

What happens if 2 finns high five (fully charged) each other at the same time?

[fast shadow]

Side b

[prisma marsh]

is it just me or does finn's dodge go super far?

[cerulean sigil]

bro they nerfed this poor man into the ground

[prisma marsh]

good

[cerulean sigil]

he’s so dookie now

barely any kill confirms

dash attack is the only move that kills at a reasonable percentage

i literally got someone to 160%, used backpack and they got back

[prisma marsh]

they did nerf backpack it feels like

even on these dense tiny ass stages his backpack will suffer from attack staling

[cerulean sigil]

they need to buff his attack power so he can be on par with characters like bugs or steven

[opal wharf]

You using backpack perk?

[obtuse panther]

I am getting nothing but bots back to back bro

I can’t

[barren steppe]

Very interesting to see others have the same complaints and issues. They violated Finn, however yesterday I was violating both the lobbies. One thing I will say as some sort of advice is you have to slow down and study your opponent as quick as you can. Once you get good at reads you should be able to adjust your timing and game play frm there.

[prisma marsh]

DO NOT BUFF FINN BRUH

[torpid ginkgo]

like build

[torpid ginkgo]

Chop, air slash, bmo, dash attack, backpack attack. all good kill options

[torpid ginkgo]

i got u later

[long quail]

Nah I can’t today I feel disgusting

Thanks though

[woven gazelle]

the issue being that theyre not good enough when theres chars like bugs, harley, superman killing us at disgusting percents and finn frequently doesnt kill until 150 cuz all his kill options are tied to early % confirms or laggy stray hits

[torpid ginkgo]

thats less of finn being bad and thats just harley and bugs needing nerfs, also supermans doesnt have that much besides his unga bunga strength

[woven gazelle]

it also doesnt help that half the stage list have giant blast zones so its tough for finn to combo people into them and kill with backpack

like yesterday on tree fort superman live a fully charge up tilt at 140 😭

id love a choose goose upgrade that made us kill earlier slightly

bmo is nice but 1000 gold is a lot to give up

[torpid ginkgo]

id say finn is fine rn

just buff down tilt

that move is worthless

[woven gazelle]

its good onstage out of ftilt 1,2 imo, it doesnt send very far so its good to continue pressure after

charging up tilt right after ftilt 12 dtilt catches dodges so much

[torpid ginkgo]

also IG

thorns shouldnt kill at literally zero

[barren steppe]

If you look at the character list all of the “recommended” level characters are pretty strong with 1 to 3 moves that kill at low %. Finn is the only one on the list that has no real power kill moves and most of his moves lose out to others when because of reach alone Finn should have priority. Only real impact power move Finn has is his dash move which the hit box isn’t accurate on. Everything else has to be charged or true combo. Yes you can carry someone off stage but if you’re your fighting anybody good they aren’t just going to let you dog walk them.

[normal cove]

buff finn

[river cairn]

you have to play alot harder then most characters to get value from finn

there's definitely a skill gap

[swift idol]

Yah, Jason is like impossible to beat

[river cairn]

Jason you just have to respect him

[swift idol]

Ye

[river cairn]

respect his space and punish his whiffs

makes it alot easier

you can basically juggle Jason for free if you get a combo started

but he can ring you out easily

[swift idol]

Yah, whenever I go against a Jason, they rush me

[river cairn]

dodge through him and hit him in the back

his startup is super long

[swift idol]

Ok

[noble halo]

I main Shaggy for now until I get new characters, but I've been playing Finn as well because his side aerial looked very intuitive so I just picked him up. Here's my observations after playing both:
If we were to make 1:1 comparisons of Shaggy and Finn to SSBU, Shaggy would be Mario and Finn would be Meta Knight. Shaggy has the potential to 0-death with some reads or under less common situations, but it won't happen too often. Finn, on the other hand, has 0-death potential on every character by carrying them all the way to the blast zone, except these setups (unlike Meta Knight's) are very vulnerable to DI. Past that, he doesn't have very meaningful kill potential whereas Shaggy still has side attack x2 -> up special.
One huge factor in this lack of killing power is that he is missing good grounded side attack followups. He can connect any grounded move afterwards, but none of those combo into anything (except maybe side special??? I still need to test).
Another is how much DI affects his combo moves at high damage. On DI in or no DI, nair can easily combo into jump and up special for a ringout, but on DI away, the best you're getting is a side special read or a dodge cancel fair. This is important because a lot of Finn's moves combo into nair, namely fair 1 and aerial down special.
His low damage combo potential is crazy, but very dependent on the opponent simply not knowing what they're doing. These combos also pretty much only start from the air, as his grounded moves only combo with bad DI or really hard reads (again, except possibly side special)
He has really tough matchups into Bugs, Rick, and Black Adam because of his limited vertical reach, getting air camped by all of them and making neutral really hard.
All of that being said, being rewarded for good spacing and movement callouts is very fun and finding those 0-death combos is equally rewarding.

He also has great ledge pressure with fair, dair, grounded neutral attack, and grounded down attack, and great anti-air capability with fair and grounded up attack

[river cairn]

I think Finns little more like little mac

[barren steppe]

I can see your points.

[river cairn]

finn is very good on the ground with his charge attack which lead into air combos but trying to start a air combo from the air is alot harder and can be difficult

reminds me alot of little mac

[barren steppe]

Starting air combos should be easy but they messed up something because in beta I had them all day. Now it’s a lil more difficult to get them. It could be a timing thing.

[noble halo]

I personally have a much easier time starting combos from the air
Fair 1 -> nair is really good
Dair -> nair also really good
But spacing and timing them are hard

[barren steppe]

Yeah see same thing I was saying.

[river cairn]

the flow of fair seems so different from the beta

both attacks used to connect easily

but now sometimes the second swing will just miss

[barren steppe]

Facts

[river cairn]

also the same problem with the spike

it still doesn't connect

[barren steppe]

My second swing never connect so I moved on.

[old fractal]

Any Finn moves that has 2 hits, most of the time it won't hit. Which is dumb.

[noble halo]

I really wish fair 2 would come out faster 😦

makes no sense for it to be so slow now

[old fractal]

It's slow enough that the second hit sometimes won't connect at lower percents

[noble halo]

seems like you need to have full forward momentum when you hit with the first one

[old fractal]

Which we shouldn't need. At all.

I really hope MVS developer teams look in these chats and take notes.

I really do.

Maybe they'll make Finn better because he can't do anything

[barren steppe]

I’m glad that we are collectively having the same conversation. They should definitely listen. It’s not like it’s 1 person it’s like 10 of us or more daily saying the same thing. If I can’t main Finn I’d rather go back to apex. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I’m running right now if anybody wants to lab.

[neon eagle]

buff finn

[cobalt atlas]

Asking for verification. Has anyone tested to see if Finn's coins still scale his backpack damage without using the new signature perk?

I've seen a lot of people talk about how weak his up-B is now, and I'm wondering if the new perk has something to do with it.

[sharp scarab]

they definetly do but tbh its not worth it to not use the coin perk as his signature

the reason why people say its bad now is just cause it got nerfed like most things in the game

[cobalt atlas]

It would be so much easier to test with the old training room

[autumn mantle]

The new ui in the training room is just the worst lmao

[sharp scarab]

new ui in general really

[autumn mantle]

Yeah but it's especially noticeable in training

[cobalt atlas]

Just for my sanity, I tested it. Just kept spamming away with side attacks until Shaggy got to 100%, then started going ham on the up-B.

Shaggy died from his starting position (a little bit right of center stage) at about
250% with no coins and no perk.
200% with 2700 coins and no perk.
150% with 2700 coins and the perk on.

You're right, I don't know why anyone would ever use his other signature.

[obtuse panther]

As a UI specialist, I agree

[rotund wraith]

what yall think the worst matchup is for finn?

[mystic wagon]

banana

very slow matchup w no agency

[rotund wraith]

ah alright, funny enough just got cooked to one

[barren steppe]

I know I’m nobody in these multiverse streets but I’m proud of the conversation in this chat. More so because of the collective understanding and want for things to be “fixed”. That’s it carry on lol
Devs fix my boy Finn! 🤣

[tardy falcon]

that and it so often leaves a dodgable gap

like, my bad for thinking i had a combo going i guess

his killpower also feels really weak or too strong

i either kill people at like 50 or 150+ even after hitting backpacks and stuff at 100+

[tardy falcon]

Yeah i find it really hard to make combos work on finn and often am just forced to dodge read, even stuff that seems to be true in training mode with dodge out of hitstun sometimes still just gets dodged and can be ruined by DI on top of that

[barren steppe]

If you want a good laugh go read some of the other complaints about other characters.
😭🤣😭

[tardy falcon]

oh also i haven’t been able to figure out his side special, i know it only tracks if you’re in the air, but even then it still doesn’t track for me a lot

[median horizon]

i think it's based on that and how far you are from your opponent, but even then it can be really scuffed if they're above or below you.

[old fractal]

Sair 2 is actually a kill move btw

And we can barely hit it

[sweet drift]

Y'all want an even more spammy character? dawg

[potent root]

Finn is so fast how do i deal with him as bugs?

[sweet drift]

You don't

[barren steppe]

Nah you gotta go to the bugs chat for that lol we not gonna tell you how to beat us lol 😂

[river cairn]

how does wishing 2 attacks connect properly wanting a spammy character

[swift idol]

So Jake has a cake skin

Why doesn’t Finn have a Fionna skin?

[sweet drift]

Finn is already a pain in the arse to fight on the ground. Making him also good on the air would make for the spammiest character in the entire game.

[tardy falcon]

word spammy used, opinion rejected

[rose jay]

I was saying this

[noble halo]

Move working properly =/= making the character good

it means making them not feel awful to play

You can also afford to take all of Finn's grounded hits because they just don't combo or kill until very high damage

So the risk:reward is in your favor for it

[sharp scarab]

up tilt and jab?

[noble halo]

kills at like 130+ in a game where pretty much every character has kill combos at 100 at most

[sharp scarab]

no im referring to when you said they dont combo

both of them combo at pretty much every percent

[noble halo]

not in my experience

[sharp scarab]

yeah its not true

but even at like 80-100 you can up tiolt into double jump nair then side b

if you catch ur opponent off guard

[noble halo]

I'm not going to rely on that

[sharp scarab]

what are you gonna rely on then lol

its not really punishable

actaully u can also just do jab 1 jab 2 bmo

[noble halo]

bmo is good

[sharp scarab]

yeah but it costs 1000 coins

[noble halo]

and it should definitely be punishable

[tardy falcon]

that is just not possible if they DI out

[sharp scarab]

not if you time your dodge on the way down

[sharp scarab]

i gurantee you it works

i can show you in a 1v1 😏

[tardy falcon]

charged or uncharged utilt

[sharp scarab]

charged

[tardy falcon]

the side b is not true

lol

i was wrong tho if charged uptilt u probably can catch di out

with uncharged di out is nigh impossible to do anything true

actually even with charged uptilt di out kind of kills your momentum

like you can connect the nair but it leaves you in an awkward spot and you can’t get backpack ender

from 80 tho up air after nair does kill on low ceiling maps

and charged utilt to nair doesn’t even work at 100 on characters like shaggy

[sharp scarab]

idk i havnt actually tested it but i can usually pull it off in matches

and yeah weith people that di and spam dodge out of uptilt I just keep uptilt juggle them and catch them on their dodge until they run out

[tardy falcon]

it’s week one people don’t know the mu that good ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy falcon]

scratch that it does work if you double jump, but if they DI out all you can get is fair 1

[noble halo]

can you fair 1 -> dodge nair?

[tardy falcon]

will test momentarily

[torpid ginkgo]

i find jab, jab, instant air dodge tech nair works well

[tardy falcon]

everything after fair 1 there is a dodge read, i tried nair and upair

[sharp scarab]

just do fair 1 into falling uair or side b

nothing out of fair 1 is true tho

[tardy falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009540458868899951/1247628600501338122/y5grb4.mp4?ex=6660b82e&is=665f66ae&hm=c1e95a541c13318d1d10e38a908df5034cd2428a4a275a58ede0778294c59986&

bot is set to dodge here so might be cooking? still skeptical with training mode how it currently is tho lol

also should be noted that the jab loop seems to work as long as you have dodge meter, and you can swap sides during it by aiming for jab 1 to connect in the middle of finn's sword then jabbing in the opposite direction after dodging

[river cairn]

terrible take

making a moves flow better ≠spammy

when a move that used to hit in beta doesn't connect anymore it makes the character feel clunky

[old fractal]

Spam and combos are two different things

[solemn adder]

Awful take lol. Are you secretly trying to make Finn bad ? The only grounded move that needs adjustment on Finn is down tilt and maybe neutral attack. Every other move is good

[noble halo]

What do you think I'm saying here? I'm having trouble understanding why you responded like this.

[solemn adder]

You said his grounded moves don’t combo or kill till very high percent

Which is not true

[river cairn]

I mean most moves full charge don't kill till 110-130

without following up

[solemn adder]

Which they shouldn’t

Finn is about getting dodge reads

[noble halo]

What do his grounded moves combo into?

[solemn adder]

If you are getting dodge reads you can consistently kill before 70

[river cairn]

Nair sair

most of his grounded moves can combo into air combos

[solemn adder]

Almost all of his aerials, nair sair dair aerial side special

You can even do the dodge jump falling up air I think

[noble halo]

Welp he's not in free rotation anymore and I'm not buying him so I can't lab
But when I did, I didn't find any of those. Best combo into aerials I found was grounded up attack into dodge diagonal cancel up air -> nair -> imagination

and only on DI away, you would have to dodge cancel straight up if they DI in

But I hope you have fun with him

[solemn adder]

Jab jab is true into pretty much anything

[solemn adder]

I am he’s in a good state rn. His down special down tilt and neutral grounded are his only bad moves

Everything else is solid

[noble halo]

Aerial down special is a kill confirm around 100 btw, I definitely suggest labbing with it

Also dair is a combo starter at low damage

[solemn adder]

I have it’s inconsistent online

[noble halo]

dair -> jump nair -> have fun

replace with aerial down special at high damage

[noble halo]

unfortunate, I got some nice kills with it though

[solemn adder]

I think a move that just sends downwards like dair would be better

[prisma marsh]

finn has zero whiff punish on all of his moves

it's ridiculous

so god damn sad none of this is gonna be fixed bruh

[rose jay]

God why does the dash atk drop

[tardy falcon]

yeah i’ve been pretty frustrated with how easy it is to whiff punish him vs other characters

especially since he’s not even getting consistent combos anyways like a lot of other good characters

[rose jay]

Feel like Finn got hit with nerfs outta hate like an inside job

[rotund wraith]

yeah its tough

its like u can hit a sweet combo one stock then the next it wont work and u gotta do a dif follow up

[fleet echo]

not really

just switch it up a bit

and utilize the platform perk

[rotund wraith]

i was tryna see what i could do w that, what u usually do off it?

[fleet echo]

its really confusing unless you see someone do it, try utilt nair side b | Then do the platform perk and imediatly after hold uptilt and release it the other way to catch someone on their dodge

It might be hard if youre not using a controller

lmk if youre confused and ill try and send over a video

[rotund wraith]

bet ima try it soon and ill lyk

[fleet echo]

bet, also know that this works better at higher percents where uptilt will kill

you could also try uair after the side b

[barren steppe]

FIX FINN‼️‼️‼️

[tardy falcon]

they can dodge the side b and even with a dodge read the tracking on side b gets kind of killed by most dodge directions

[fleet echo]

ofc u can dodge it, but it still hits at least 50% of the time

hard to punish a failed side b too

[tardy falcon]

really getting annoyed with how like nothing of his has any decent true confirms as a reliable bnb and how even with a dodge read he struggles to punish bc his good range air normals are sooooo slow

dair isn’t even confirming into anything in real matches lolll they gutted this guy

feels like this guy is playing a different game compared to like joker and WW

not horribly unwinnable but it definitely feels like i have to play better

have way harder reads to actually whiff punish their stuff

less so WW on that but interacting with her when armor is up kind of sucks

maybe i need more iad nair but i'll probably get stuffed and d-tilt is nigh unusable as an armor break

[tardy falcon]

I’d say try to vertically trap him asap, bugs up air can hit finn from an angle that’s difficult for him to deal with, and having a safe on the field can give you breathing room to stop him from running you down as i personally feel he has to respect it, he has poor vertical coverage in the air so forcing him to jump over your rocket puts bugs in an advantageous position.

[lapis stag]

What if the finn just side specials through the projectiles?

[tardy falcon]

I don’t recall having much success doing that against safe as bugs often will trade with the side special with his normal as he whacks the safe at you, and i’m not sure if you can side special the rocket without it exploding on you i need to try that, though that can be punished by the bugs too

[river cairn]

can I see the video

[kind zinc]

start using the armor break perks in that matchup it makes it much more bearable

the dash attack breaking armor and fully charged attacks breaking armor are the ones im thinking about particularly

being able to break armor with 4 different moves that cover different space is really nice

[glossy cove]

"I got that Fanta in my system!"

[tardy falcon]

yeah for sure, i don’t she’s like unfightable, i just am slightly annoyed with how inconsistent finn feels

[rose jay]

So with an iad what’s our best options

[tardy falcon]

iad nair will net you the most reward, fair is pretty good horizontal reach for calling out dodges

also i gotta say a good portion of my complaints are a bit of a skill issue and i need to dodge cancel more and it won't be as bad

[fleet echo]

#clips message

This is it if anyone else was wondering

[prime hull]

ok! picking up finn cuz i wanna play a bunch of characters!

any resources i can access to make learning him easier

[sweet drift]

Spam, and I don't mean this as a joke.

[prime hull]

really...?

[sweet drift]

Finn is THE spam character

If you're opponent is on the ground, spam as if your life was on the line

[rose jay]

https://youtu.be/sqSppiUE4ZY?si=lu0AjOO98cp9j1U7

[craggy oracle]

Anyone else using air walker? Love the guessing games it adds

[rose jay]

I’m trying it rn and it’s great

[tardy falcon]

i heavily disagree lol, finn jab and fair which are the common "spam" moves are laggy and easier to whiff punish than a lot of moves

i mean yes you will use them a lot, but charging them and playing mind games while running around with a charged move is important and just mashing the move won't help you improve

[rose jay]

Is jab is just his combo starter lol

[tardy falcon]

it's one of his better grounded moves, that and up tilt both start combos

and jab 1 and 2 can cancel into uptilt

[rose jay]

Really not seeing were this Finn hate is coming from

[solemn adder]

Crazy take

[sweet drift]

Ofc it's crazy when they call your main spammy

[solemn adder]

It’s crazy how bad the take is

[tardy falcon]

word spammy detected, opinion rejected

[tardy falcon]

I actually didn’t know this stuff, I never realized how fast you had to input the jump for nair to connect properly and that dodgejumping and you can just diagonally dodge for instant nair and connect it from jab etc.

great guide and i’m not even that deep in

[solemn adder]

Yeah Finn has a lot of untapped potential with the IAD

[tardy falcon]

he's starting to click for me now

and holy moly dude i'm getting some STUPID kills

like it'd happen before but jesus i just killed a bugs in 2 hits 😭

[autumn mantle]

his air combos feel so smooth

[old fractal]

Do NOT listen to him. It's more just your combos starting the same way

[fleet echo]

yeah the reason why people say hes spam is because he only really has one combo starter (not including jab into uptilt)

but from there you can go a lot of ways

[tardy falcon]

now that i understand the dodge cancels better they feel so nice to pull off

[solemn adder]

That’s what im saying, people saying Finn is bad just don’t know how to play him

I’ve gotten kills off dodge reads at 30%

[fleet echo]

but if you cant kill off a combo early, you wont be able to kill until 150ish

unless bmo

[tardy falcon]

yeah it's weird

i'm more able to get early kills now however uptilt nair which is like the craziest thing seems to just never work in real matches despite that guide claiming it's real, especially on di out you're just like boomed

[solemn adder]

I consistently kill around 90

Sometimes I end up around 120 if I am playing bad

[tardy falcon]

i just don't understand the uptilt into nair

that doesn't work like 90% of the time lol

and even knowing the jab into nair confirm you still get put in a bad spot to followup

[fleet echo]

with what move?

[solemn adder]

upspecial dodge reads

as long as u have good coins

[fleet echo]

doesnt kill at 90 if youre anywhere near the ground tho

have to be super high up

also if you hvae coins u might as well get bmo cause its more consisent

[solemn adder]

u can kill mid screen level with an up tilt upecial dodge read

very consistent

[fleet echo]

oh after uptilt

tbf havnt tried it but theres no way its more consistent than a jab 1 2 bmo

[tardy falcon]

both are dodge reads

and if they dodge upwards they likely won't even get hit by bmo anyways

[candid rain]

Did BMO chop get its knockback nerfed? I haven't really seen it in a real match ever but from some clips it seems to have multiple uses now

[tardy falcon]

It lasts until death now, and idk what it was like in beta but it's marginally stronger than normal high five

in terms of knockback

[rose jay]

IAD nair is sooooo clean

[keen kernel]

Does Fern seem like he has some of Finn's voice mixed in? It's mostly in hits and death screams.

[tardy falcon]

ok for di out you can airdodge diagonally and nair

that's nice was annoying dealing with that

probably air dodge fair too

[solemn adder]

bmo kills a bit later than that depending on the stage u can also do 1 2 uptilt into backpack dodge read

just depends on ur money

[solemn adder]

it beta it was like a gaurantee kill most of the time

[torpid ginkgo]

can we get the emote chain again?

[autumn mantle]

[kind zinc]

[river cairn]

that guy doesn't play finn don't listen to him

he came in here to complain

[tardy falcon]

when his characters use their skillful good neutral moves it's fundies, when our barbaric finn uses his BUSTED neutral tools it's SPAM

[twin owl]

Genuinely surprised that Finn made it throught the Alpha, the Beta and now release as the easiest to play and lowest skill character in the game

0 effort, incredible value

[solemn adder]

Nice cope

[fleet echo]

im pretty sure its true

normal high five isnt

[tardy falcon]

it ain’t

[rose jay]

No Finn buffs this patch

[autumn mantle]

I mean no nerfs either

so

e h h

[barren steppe]

You’re insane no offense but that can’t be true. Finn take some of the most skills. If he is easy you’re probably half decent with him but he’s definitely not (recommended) skill set level. He’s a combo based character that actually has a string of combos that’s weak as hell. 0-death is hella situational at this point. You know who’s a no skill character? Banana guard, shaggy, Superman, wonder women etc. anybody that has move they can spam that kills you. If you have to fly kick me 7 times in a row your ass. If you have to up shield me 9x you have no skills. Even if as Finn you a spam his backpack you still can’t kill at low numbers.

[twin owl]

anybody that has move they can spam that kills you
So Finn?

[wild zephyr]

tmw no Finn buffs in the patch notes

[rose jay]

Thought the spin to win strat on Finn died haven’t seen anyone do it

[twin owl]

It's all Finns do lol

Unchanged from the Alpha

[rose jay]

You’re not fighting good Finn’s then

[tardy falcon]

it’s his best way of securing early kills but if you spam it then it sucks

[twin owl]

Why would they try getting better if they can get value out of a move that sucks you in and lasts longer than your dodge?

[rose jay]

That’s true but like why spam when you can do flashy combos

[twin owl]

Because you don't get punished for spamming

Attack decay is gone for some reason

[rose jay]

Attack decay being gone is a bit yikes

[barren steppe]

When I say that I mean the person on the other end of the controller has no skill because they’re spamming.

[rose jay]

But like are we gonna deny everyone has a move they spam?

[barren steppe]

Exactly

[twin owl]

Well yeah it goes beyond just Finn

[tardy falcon]

yeah but backpack doesn’t even kill well unless you hit someone offstage with it

[rose jay]

Then go bother them as well 🙏

[twin owl]

Nah everyone else is already bothering the bananas

[tardy falcon]

or up top

[barren steppe]

Yes everyone has spammy moves however Finn moves don’t kill at low numbers.

[rose jay]

Usually you have to do a combo at least to get them to the top of the stage cause who just goes close to the blast zone willingly against a Finn lol

[barren steppe]

Shaggy could hit you with 3 flying kicks and you’re dead.

[twin owl]

Shaggy is easy to dodge and doesn't suck you in tho

[rose jay]

Shaggy players will spam kick and tbag it’s insane

[twin owl]

Finn has hit priority on alot of his attacks

[rose jay]

Depends if the game lets you dodge

[rose jay]

??????

[barren steppe]

Finn has the ability to carry you off stage. He’s definitely not blasting you frm middle of stage unless it’s straight up. Finn can carry you easily off stage tho. They tried to balance it but I just doesn’t work against spammy players.

[tardy falcon]

there is no priority system in this game

[wild zephyr]

And how many hours have you put into playing Finn, Might I ask? Because anybody who knows the Character knows he was 100x better in the Beta, and is nothing like he used to be now.

[barren steppe]

No he doesn’t Finn losses priority to so many moves it’s not even funny.

[wild zephyr]

He used to be able to break almost every single move

[rose jay]

This guy gotta go cause he’s just getting cooked

[wild zephyr]

They removed a entire move from his set

replaced it with some bs backpack move

and people act like he

[rose jay]

His best move btw

[wild zephyr]

he's some broken god or something

[barren steppe]

I have 400+hrs been playing since beta until servers went down. He was say better in beta.

[rose jay]

Then you look at Harley and people are like yeah that’s fine

[wild zephyr]

600+ Wins on Finn. He was amazing in Beta

I have to fight so much more in order to beat stupid spam moves

[barren steppe]

‼️‼️‼️

[wild zephyr]

Yeah I became a Finn lover during the Beta despite never watching the Show

Then I fell in love with Fern

[barren steppe]

You can tell you really play Finn and who just dabble.

[wild zephyr]

and never looked back

[rose jay]

Banana guard charge
Bugs in general
Superman
Ww existing

The list is infinite

[barren steppe]

You’re just like me. I never seen an episode lol 😂

[wild zephyr]

She's stupid broken, I hate going against her

[rose jay]

It’s like what do you mean she combos into anything and her dash atk can be a combo starter

[wild zephyr]

When they were airing I was a gigantic Regular Show fan, and refused to see it. I might have to go back and change that now

[rose jay]

Like I was a Harley main in beta but now I’m maining Finn and by god it’s rough

[wild zephyr]

Mordecai and Rigby are the only two i'd probably drop Finn to try and main for a bit

but I love finn's moveset a lot

[rose jay]

I’d want rigby to be an assassin

[wild zephyr]

He just needs some love in the buffs department because I can get bullied with some of the spammy people

I want there to be a special Benson move where you use him like a Bat, and smack people with his Gumball head

[rose jay]

Give him the gem just put it on a cooldown or something pls

I wouldn’t be mad if they added the baby ducks somehow

[wild zephyr]

You can still lock onto people, but it dosen't feel as good as throwing out the Gem and teleporting to it

[barren steppe]

When I use to watch Cartoon Network ppg and Dexter was on the air after that I haven’t seen any of the newer shows. Idk nothing about TDI, AT, GUMball nothing. Lol I just know the names of the shows.

[rose jay]

Exactly it was such a good recovery option as well

[rose jay]

Gumball is fire

[wild zephyr]

As far as "Shows I would say to watch from my era"

[tardy falcon]

I think finn is fine tbh, maybe a minor buff to sair speed or make sair 2 actually connect consistently, anything more would be a bit much when other characters are struggling way more

[barren steppe]

It doesn’t even work properly. Also it locks on projectiles and that can get you killed.

[wild zephyr]

Oh so that's how Marvin killed me yesterday

that makes so much more sense

I thought the move bugged

[barren steppe]

Who struggles?? If they are struggling they aren’t good enough players.

[wild zephyr]

Gumball is so funny, Total Drama as a series was something I regularly came back to once a summer to watch

[barren steppe]

See

[wild zephyr]

Samurai Jack is so good, and I was happy we got a final season to end his story

Adult Swim came in so good with that last season

[tardy falcon]

i mean there’s only a couple of stinkers but i think other characters deserve buffs more than finn, if he gets much more consistent he’s gonna have to get nerfed back down lol

[barren steppe]

Thanks for reminding me I have to watch that!

[wild zephyr]

I wish I could post pictures

wait

gif's

https://tenor.com/view/samurai-jack-bruh-jack-exhausted-aku-gif-19711616

This version of Jack was insane

so good

[barren steppe]

I wish we could post clips straight frm our phones without links.

[wild zephyr]

on one hand

I get it, the Spam in general would go insane

[solemn adder]

A Finn spamming backpack is just as easy to counter just admit your bad bro

[wild zephyr]

and like last week when everyone went all copypasta and caused the server to get character limited (That was annoying)

[barren steppe]

Servers are back up‼️

[wild zephyr]

You can only spam it twice in a row too, you have to be pretty high in order to die to it. Beta backpack had a MUCH larger knockback and vaccum range.

[solemn adder]

Yeah complaints about backpack in beta made sense. But if your just dying to backpack now you got read that’s all there is to it

[barren steppe]

I feel like in beta you had more control over the backpack as well. Like you direct it more.

[solemn adder]

How do you guys feel about patch notes?

[wild zephyr]

Finn's moves are easier than ever to predict too, he moves slower so you can avoid it

[solemn adder]

Not to mention parrying exists now so if a Finn is being predictable with his charges it’s a free punish

The amount of Finns I’ve destroyed because of them doing bad charges is really funny

[wild zephyr]

Yeah i've had to adapt in order to not be destroyed

I'm still sad the shield break moves got gutted

he was so good against those characters

[solemn adder]

Real. Armor has always been annoying in this game

[rose jay]

Wish his dash atk would’ve gotten fixed it drops constantly and we’re just looking at each other like oh now what

[tardy falcon]

i be ignoring his dash attack a lot but yeah it's really annoying how often ti drops

i might be tweaking but i feel like the hitstop changes mess with finn iad nair momentum carry

before i could sometimes string a fair but now i'm basically glued to the ground

oh nvm it's speedforce perk vs airwalker, with speedforce you kind of go back towards the ground and you float more without it equipped

[solemn adder]

I also wish they stopped dtilt from dropping

[rose jay]

Dude seriously

Like only the second hit matters when they’re off edge and then you get punished for it

[wild zephyr]

Wait

They added Battlepass XP for matches

but it's 10xp

bruh

[solemn adder]

Is it actually only 10 😭

[rose jay]

Wowzers

[solemn adder]

One step forward two steps back

[rose jay]

We never finishing this pass

😭

[wild zephyr]

yeah i've done 3 matches now and every time I get a 10xp increase whenever I do a match

[solemn adder]

Even on wins?

[wild zephyr]

Yeah

I won against a Superman and only got 10xp

I lost against a Harley and got 10xp

[solemn adder]

They need to give you way more xp and fighter currency on wins

I feel bad for people who didn’t get characters in beta

[wild zephyr]

btw the day Harley gets a nerf i will be throwing a Party she's such a cheap character

I lost half my badges too

they took my Finn ringouts

[solemn adder]

You can make a ticket for your badges

[wild zephyr]

and a bunch of other stuff I had

[solemn adder]

If you are missing items they said make a ticket

[wild zephyr]

I might

I know I had them, he was level 30 in beta

[solemn adder]

Also I was surprised seeing no Harley nerf as well

I’m guessing there will be a bigger balance patch soon though

[wild zephyr]

Hopefully

[solemn adder]

I think they should be prioritizing the game not crashing every two seconds over character changes anyways

[wild zephyr]

The servers still lag

it's annoying

I went back in excited and first game in the server goes laggy in the middle of a match

[solemn adder]

Also there is a bug on keyboard where your controls literally just get mixed up

[wild zephyr]

Yeah i'm a stubborn KBM person

Everyone keeps telling me to go to controller

But I like my old mouse and keyboard fighting combo

[solemn adder]

Yeah I just use keyboard on this game feels way better than controller

[wild zephyr]

I only tried controller for Superman in beta, now he's nothing like he used to be, so there's no point

I miss super speed superman

[solemn adder]

I do not miss old Superman 😭

[rose jay]

Anyone who says I miss old Superman did not fight Superman duo in beta

[solemn adder]

I remember some people use to just sit on ledge and try to grab you

[rose jay]

Dark times

[native sluice]

whats the notation for the finn ladder?

[wild zephyr]

Yeah I might have contributed to that problem, the Grab was just TOO good

[wild zephyr]

I'm stupid, but what is a Finn Ladder

[native sluice]

a combo that carries them to the top of the map

im a lebron refuge and i wanna give this character a shot. any good players to watch?

[robust blade]

keyboard + mouse? or just keyboard

[solemn adder]

Just keyboard

[robust blade]

thank u

[rose jay]

Disgusting

[neon eagle]

Anyone named KonakiMVS in the discord?

[rose jay]

You some sort of discord hitman?

[wild zephyr]

Oh, I do his Charged Sword up, the "new" Gem move replacment + Backpack, and if needed, a Second Backpack move to ring them out

[native sluice]

lmao

KonakiMVS been real quiet lately

[rose jay]

Well prepared to be called a spammer for playing the game as Finn

[native sluice]

i can take it. most people here are scrubs anyway

[rose jay]

Realer than real

[wild zephyr]

It wasn't my best moments

[rose jay]

Repent

[neon eagle]

no I am playing against him rn

he is good

2500 finn win

[native sluice]

anyone with MVS behind their name is probably a pro

[rose jay]

Good god

[native sluice]

i played against Metsfan4lifeMVS and got absolutely canned by his iron giant. dude did pretty well in the coinbox tournament

had like 2,200 IG wins

[brittle haven]

should b removed

from the whole game

[rose jay]

Womp womp

[tardy falcon]

well whether you get off the top or too the side kind of just depends on positioning and DI and whatnot, but you can do something like (jab 1 2) u-tilt, nair or side special for a dodge read, then sair backpack

but percentage and the like sometimes means you have to exclude a move or won't quite get the ender you like without another dodge read

there's no like, set combo that you just do and it works with finn, at least for kills

[wild zephyr]

I agree, Harley SHOULD be removed from the game

[rose jay]

Bmo announcer pack

What a great shop

[native sluice]

exactly what i was looking for thanks

[torpid ginkgo]

finn is chilling dude

[torpid ginkgo]

dude stop crying and actually adapt

you main xeno in dbd tho so hard work in games probably isn’t something your used 2

[twin owl]

You replied to 12 hour old message to insult my main on another game lol

Alien ain't even that stronf

Strong*

Literally just learn to place turrets

So much for telling others to adapt

[torpid ginkgo]

he’s completely brain dead however. I dont have issues with them

you randomly come in here to cry and pout about a character that isn’t anywhere near the best

thats just sad

[twin owl]

You are crying way more than me bud

[barren steppe]

Banana Guard is such a brainless fxxking character‼️ no skill required. Let me just smash side special ALL GAME‼️ Devs really think reducing the damage changed anything. Players just use it 30x back to back instead of the usual 3x. Finn has no guard against that move. Even if you should have priority you will lose.

[old fractal]

But

Banna guard boob

🥺🥺

[misty lion]

banana guard does have the best boobs in game

[old fractal]

Horribly place because of his animations

But still the best

[misty lion]

LOL i think it adds to the charm

[old fractal]

Real

[old fractal]

They just added bumps really lol

[twin owl]

More like cheekbones

[old fractal]

Real lmao

[native sluice]

just parry

[barren steppe]

I’ll try is because your right I be trying to evade instead of parry which i actually do work on. I just hate it you. He’s a number 3 player with starting player move set with 0 players skill set.

[native sluice]

its too active to dodge for most characters unless you space it just right. banana players play with their brain off once you learn to parry theres pretty much nothing they can do

[torpid ginkgo]

space correctly or just parry it

[rose jay]

I swapped from Finn to Harley and now I’m winning every game

Gotta love the power of being the best character in the game from beta to alpha to full release

[rose jay]

Guys my brain cells are dying from how easy the character is help

[rotund wraith]

yep

[barren steppe]

Currently holding 5th place on leader board as Finn.

[river cairn]

Crying about a dbd character in a mutiversus game is nuts

alien isn't that bad you just play him like nemesis

he's a tier at best

[river cairn]

it's only you vs 50 other players

not a global leaderboard

[twin owl]

im a bad and unskilled person for playing as my fave horror movie villain that i wanted in that game since 2019 ig

[tardy falcon]

you can vertically dodge it and horribly punish finn for a failed ladder, attack decay arguement is funny bc that move by design punishes spamming it by having finn eject coins every time it connects, and it's got a large amount of startup and endlag, there's much more to his kit than just backpack and all it really should be is a combo ender or a dodge read button at high%

[gloomy grove]

opp

[tardy falcon]

gatekeeping counterplay is cringe 🙏

[tardy falcon]

to add on, if you’re close enough to finn you outright can horizontally dodge through it and not get hit in instances where it’s not true

[echo terrace]

Is the platform perk now being run by everyone or is it still being labbed

[tardy falcon]

still being labbed, i think parrying is valuable tho

especially when you have the potential to kill mad early off of those kinds of reads

when airwalker talks half your meter and still requires a dodge read to do anything

finn has pretty linear recovery tho so it could be more useful in that department

[tight lance]

actually true

if you dont want your opponents to play better then why even bother

[rotund wraith]

yo how do i beat finn as jason

facing one in bracket in a moment

probably the least mu experience

for me

[woven fjord]

best perks for finn rn?

[woven fjord]

jasons just really slow and cant react well to some charcters the best you can do is go to training and learn the match up

[solemn adder]

hard match up. probably your best bet is to whiff punish him with your -2 strings

im down to 1v1 you if you want practice in the matchup

[rotund wraith]

we can sometime soon

in bracket now tho

the steven universe ended up winning

an even worse mu for me, yay

[solemn adder]

jason is just unfortunately not a good character for tourneys

[tardy falcon]

he’s really not that great at breaking armor when you have it up, and vertical dodging is harder for him to punish in combos, if there’s like specific problem moves i could give some advice

[twin owl]

just dodge him, you are faster than him in every way, if he buffs himself, just use your smaller frame and faster speed to bait any attack of his and you can punish him as soon as the armor is gone, and some of your moves also straight up break the armor too

jason only has armor when buffing himself, and even then it's not true armor like the other tanks

Jasons in 1v1s are easy targets most of the time

[solemn adder]

hes asking how to beat finn as a jason player

[twin owl]

that's the neat part

you don't

you lose

you lose against any character faster than you

unless the other player is far worse than you or isn't aware of how slow jason is

jason loses in most 1v1s against any character faster than him

my recommendation as a Jason player as to what you should do in 1v1s

Switch to another tank

[solemn adder]

he didnt ask how to switch characters lol

[tardy falcon]

anyways hit 300 wins on finn 🙏

[solemn adder]

i think im almost at 700

[tardy falcon]

holy crap steven is a silly matchup

silly BAD

breaking his armor while in the air is insufferable

[rotund wraith]

jokes on you

i won :))

then he switched to bugs and i won again

[solemn adder]

W jason

[rotund wraith]

https://www.start.gg/tournament/multiversus-mayhem-3/event/1v1s/brackets/1679829/2500906

its this tourney, im 3-0 rn as jason

playing against a shaggy now

good chance he whoops me, kinda deep in the tourney now and i dont have a lot of mu experience

first game went to last stock 100% but he read me

rough

[twin owl]

you can't switch in 1v1s?

ah wait

tourney

then he was the worse player

[solemn adder]

thats how fighting games work lol

the worse player loses

[twin owl]

eh, some characters completely counter others tho

You could be a great player in a game, but if your character has no range, he can lose to a zoner

[rotund wraith]

shaggy whooped me, both games went to last stock but he knew that i panicked

now against a steven fuuuuuuuck not again

[twin owl]

i have no clue how to play against steven

ive seen only 2

and one accidentaly blocked his teammate from getting back with a shield

was weird

[river patio]

What are y’all’s recommended perks

[compact dagger]

What are finns best kill moves it feels weird that his up air isnt just an upward slash

Most creative multiversus character

Only character that doesnt just throw out up airs over and over and win

[tardy falcon]

backpack specialist, snowball, speed force, pugilist

[fleet echo]

use airwalker instead

[tardy falcon]

I personally prefer having access to parry but yeah airwalker is a fine substitute

also i think 3 dodge is pretty costly when you still have to make a read after popping airwalker on finn

[bitter oar]

Learning Finn air combos then playing joker feels like too easy of a transition

[tardy falcon]

though if you have some airwalker setups i'd like to see

[tardy falcon]

yeah finn has less guaranteed stuff but if you make some reads you kill stupid early

[bitter oar]

I still prefer finn. I have to learn the airwalker stuff next

[tardy falcon]

either that or incorporate parries so u at least get something out of not taking airwalker

[bitter oar]

True. I’ve got a good handle on Finn’s flow path and I love baiting dodge with him. Parry timing is my next undertaking for sure

[meager lotus]

Who hard counters this broken af character?

[fleet echo]

#clips message

This is his main one

I executed it pretty bad but the general ideas the same

of doing it near the blast zone and reading the dodge

[tardy falcon]

clip seems to be broken for me

[fleet echo]

yeah i messed up obs when i recorded it

ill js do a new one and send it

gimme a few mins

[fleet echo]

tagged u in clips

[agile nexus]

man playing wonder woman made me realize how hard I have to sweat with finn

cant wait for the top tiers to get nerfed

[tardy falcon]

yeah idk i'm still not really vibing with air walker

played like 10 matches now and just haven't really found many good use cases, people mostly end up pretty horizontal from me or i just go for backpack anyways

¯_(ツ)_/¯

maybe after charged utilt or something i could find use but personally not meshing w me

[tardy falcon]

also anyone else wish the discount perk was better, i feel like i may not even use it if it was permanently active lol

[tardy falcon]

tried it a few more rounds and managed to get a few sick things, but still not sure if it's worth missing out on parry

[twin owl]

Finn doesn't really get hard countered by anyone, but if you want to cheese ig you can play Banana Guard

You'll just be become worse than what you hate tho

[night lichen]

I had a Finn player get hard countered by my superman 3-0 no joke

[tardy falcon]

just a skill gap imo, superman isn't doing anything in particular that should make finn struggle super bad

i think some of the nicer projectile heavy characters really make him struggle, even with side special projectiles are just a little miserable at times to deal with

[twin owl]

same but like

that's cuz the finn player was dumb

I charged my neutral attack 5 times

5 times he walked into it

in a row

all I had to do was time when I let go of the charge

it was hilarious and sad

anyone else would dodge and hit me from behind

not the topic for it but Superman 1v1s are super weird

and not as cool as they sound lmao

[night lichen]

VERY

[solemn adder]

yea

hes funn and pretty easy to pick up

has some good stuff to master though

[bitter oar]

Can you tag me in the clip? Looking to see what I’m missing

[tardy falcon]

finn side b is making me lose my mind

i feel like sometimes it will track to people behind you

and other times it just refuses to track on anyone in front of you

i wish there was clarity in how the HELL it worked

[fleet echo]

#clips message

[weak temple]

Goat Finn

[urban adder]

Hi 👋 im french player i search help for up my play

https://outplayed.tv/media/DlxndO https://outplayed.tv/media/wBkeE7 https://outplayed.tv/media/dV3NmW https://outplayed.tv/media/YeODd1 https://outplayed.tv/media/8z2GdP https://outplayed.tv/media/6l8e0D

[sand sequoia]

I'm trying to do the intent jump neutral air into side air but it keeps missing what am I doing wrong?

[torpid ginkgo]

i request that PFG adds all of finns swords and lets us buy them

[torpid ginkgo]

bro same

feels so inconsistent ngl

[fleet echo]

Im pretty sure its where they are when you do the move

like if you do the input then they go behind you itll track

but if they go beind you right before the input it wont

[tardy falcon]

i mean even with people in front of you

i feel like it's wildly inconsistent

and i don't think it's based on when you press the input

because i've seen the lock-on appear and then disappear with the opponent's movement

if i had like a hitbox viewer or something so i could see like what fov or whatever it was looking for i could at least adjust to the jank factor

[barren steppe]

Finns side special in the air is very inconsistent. Personally I think it’s bugged and they just haven’t looked into it. It does feel off frm beta. It’s almost pointless to use. It doesn’t track well. It can track behind you depending on the direction your holding at input. However all in all it needs to be looked. It has no priority against other characters moves. It doesn’t hit hard. I’m always missing my target with our characters overlapping. It’s looks like it would be a 360 attack move but it doesn’t work. Did I mention Superman can grab you out of that animation.

[tardy falcon]

to be fair superman grabs almost anything that isn’t directly above or below him, but yeah the move blows outside of combos and is inconsistent even in them

not to mention it locks on stage hazards xdddd

[barren steppe]

I just posted it in clips. Go look. I was below and behind him (no diddy) it’s like his fingers have a vacuum. He grabbed me out of side special.

[barren steppe]

👆🏾👆🏾

[tardy falcon]

yeah i love when it locks on then whiffs like that

you went right past superman then clipped his fist

i would’ve been steaming over that ngl

[barren steppe]

Yeah I got off the game lmao 🤣 unbelievable. I be feeling like I be complaining but nah that just wild!

[tardy falcon]

i be complaining like crazy too lol, but that one is actually some bs

[shadow condor]

Tbh i feel like rn everyone has finna ranked high but when you actually play with him he doesn’t feel like an assassin. I feel like rn he’s too slow compared to every other assassin and he’s tactical which is cool but the shop is a stupid idea because it’s easy to get caught in attacks and his neutral air gets to go through whoever so doesn’t his near like idk he’s inconsistent. The coin shop is kinda weird too i feel like the prices are too high and then u have a perk that lowers it when at 100 which idk feels funky cause there’s a lot of 0 to death punishes in the game

[tardy falcon]

yeah shop perk is borderline useless, i wouldn’t even pick it if it had permanent uptime, and while bmo can be good, I mostly only ever bother purchasing armored buns in fitting matchups, i don’t think he’s very slow though

[shadow condor]

compared to the rest of the assassins he’s the slowest and it can be good it’s just how much time it takes to get him. His side special moves like 1 inch and idk it’s just not really fitted for his kit. His up special is inconsistent and takes a decent about of time to transfer a hit

[bitter oar]

The diddler

I’ve realized that killing with finn (for me) seems all about if I hit neutral air (under any circumstance). Seems like anytime i’ve gotten it to land, especially after an up air, I’ve been able to get the ringout or push opponent into massive disadvantage without any resources (which I also love doing)

Any advice for improving movement in general? I played a sick Joker yesterday who had great combos but tbf his movement was gawd-like

[shadow condor]

exactly tbh its near into side air and the side air is so bad to hit

[bitter oar]

I almost never go for second hit in side air string unless i’m reading an away dodge after the first hit

Here’s my side air 1st hit decision tree lol:

• are they close: go for neutral air
• are they too far for neutral air: backpack to catch dodge in/dodge in place
• are they too far for backpack: charge second hit of side air to catch any late dash ins

[harsh bolt]

Is there a Finn Discord?

[torpid ginkgo]

stripe

[compact dagger]

I like finn but finn feels like a ground based character in a up air spamming world

[stark echo]

any inv to the finn discord if there is one please

[shadow condor]

wym stripe is faster?

do ya research

[torpid ginkgo]

no finn is faster

at least I think

[shadow condor]

no finns a bit slower, he’s only faster with the charge attacks

[tardy falcon]

I just found a nasty finn kill confirm

jab 1 2, iad sair 1, idj nair, sair, backpack
you instead just land and do jump nair if not going off stage with the sair, but inputs are basically the same

[harsh bolt]

Can u record it

[tardy falcon]

sure, gonna record in training mode but i've hit it a couple of times in real matches now

[tardy falcon]

#combos message

[harsh bolt]

How do you do the cancel after the Jab 1 2

[tardy falcon]

dodge while holding diagonally up

takes 3 bars

[harsh bolt]

Bet, Tysm

[bitter oar]

Nice. How’d you cancel into the nair after the cancelled sair 1? Is that a jump cancel?

[torpid ginkgo]

found another version of it

jab, jab, iad sair, up tilt, nair, backpack

[bitter oar]

Also my bnb combo route for early to mid percentage has been: jab 1 2, neutral jab, charged up tilt, nair, sair, backpack

[bitter oar]

Seems the real gem here is the jab 1 2 to iad sair

[tardy falcon]

up-tilt nair is dodgable and will just kind of whiff on di out, though to be entirely fair i don't know how di effects what i posted

[solemn adder]

This goes hard

[tardy falcon]

yeah sometimes the nair is tricky if they drop downwards but it’s crazy early kills when it hits

[river patio]

As much as I love Finn, he feels very repetitive and I get very bored of his moveset

[tardy falcon]

I don’t get bored, i get a dopamine rush from chaining into backpack and i use pretty much every move that isn’t air down b or high five

[river patio]

Yeah same here I just don’t use down air special but it just feels so bland like sword hit after sword hit is the same every time

I think it’s also cause I play T&J and they feel way less repetitive so I’m kinda comparing him to them

[tardy falcon]

most I see kinda do the same things, and i’ve played a few finns who handle the neuch differently and some different combo routes / dodge reads so idk i think he’s deep enough since he’s not really doing much guaranteed

[chrome cove]

Is BMO worth getting as soon as you hit 1k or is it better to keep coins

[chrome cove]

Also true i hate Down special just because sometimes i will try to open shop right before i hit the floor so then like 8 coins go flying

[limpid dome]

I feel like that's a multiversus problem, especially after transfering from smash

[maiden flare]

chat what do we think about air platform finn

[tardy falcon]

solid, kind of tricky to get used to at first

[tardy falcon]

depends on the situation, sometimes it’s better to keep the coins to go for backpack kills, but if they’re already at a pretty high percent bmo is good

[maiden flare]

honesstly my only problem is im a filth dodge spammer so i never have enough dodge meter but when i do itss really good

[native sluice]

this is a terrible habit. you just die against a good player if you lose neutral with no stamina

[narrow notch]

Am i trippin or i cant win with fin

[tardy falcon]

you gotta get those early kills or he can struggle a bit yeah

[narrow notch]

Hes at 70 dmg and 1 hit from superman is sending him to the moon

[tardy falcon]

i mean superman just has strong attacks that do that, you also have reasonable potential to kill him at 30

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fleet echo]

if opponent is >~70, get bmo

[pale gull]

does speed stack everytime you buy it

[chrome cove]

No i think if you have two finns it stops the other one from buying it and as far as i know Speed is just for a limited time but idk how long

[rotund wraith]

hmm does gizmo feel like a hard matchup to yall, or is it jst me?

[tardy falcon]

nah, i don't use it enough to know but i'd probably just reset the timer

[tardy falcon]

it can be pretty annoying but if you play patiently you can handle it ok

side special is pretty good as car removal and sparingly can be used to go through arrows

what annoys me most outside of gizmo basically running the neutral is that combos seem to just drop on him more bc of how tiny he is

[rotund wraith]

facts thats what i seen

i almost got em but he was able to reverse me cz he dropped out, and his upair has wild knockback

[tardy falcon]

yeah whiffing a backpack confirm and getting up aired is so brutal

[rotund wraith]

i gotta rmbr to use the sidespecial cause thats prolly why im making it harder than it should be

[tardy falcon]

and it just kills nice enough early enough

[tardy falcon]

throw it out sparingly, he can still bait it even while charging arrows

it is pretty good into the car tho i do it pretty much every time i see car come out and have yet to really get punished

[wild zephyr]

Better than trying to slap

[rotund wraith]

ah okay i think i got hit by teleport into exploding car like 4 times so thatll be helpful, i didnt realize it broke car in one hit wise special

[pale gull]

the slap is buns 😭😭

[limpid nova]

Bro trying to get kills with this character is down right horrendous

[barren steppe]

Yes it is. Honestly at this point if you’re killing as Finn it’s pure luck. Thats how it feels.

[limpid nova]

From what ive played, it seems that his dash attack seems to be the most way to consistently ko at range when not using bmo

[merry shell]

@long axle

[long axle]

Anybody got any tips to lad finn aur combos?
His side special air version almost doesnt work

Whenever i try to lad his sair im either not at the right level or something else
It feels like the nair doesnt work as intendd when it gets ti following

[tardy falcon]

sometimes you just have to accept you got dealt a crappy hand with nair and go for a dodge read

side special also isn’t reliable you kind of have to be vertically aligned and even then if they di out of say up tilt they can dodge away and force you to do the non-homing side special even tho the lock on icon appeara

[compact dagger]

Side air is very easy to read

Sometimes you have to concede that your opponent wont let you just run in and side air

If it is a jason though go ahead i strongly believe jason legitimately loses 80% of matchups against finn

[wild zephyr]

Before: "You used a Shield attack against me? I can handle that!"

[compact dagger]

I think Finn is just a lot more of a calculated character now

The finn fight is one of attrition

One mistake and you should be able to get a high five or a up smash in

[wild zephyr]

It annoys me the most when you go to swing and it's not lined up on the exact sprite of the character so it seemingly misses

[rotund wraith]

Anyone got any builds for Finn

[long axle]

I guess the new finn game is about winning neutral and dodge reads

[rotund wraith]

Or you can just uppercut them

[compact dagger]

There are a LOT of problems with the hit registry

Finn really makes it obvious his sword is not as big as its supposed to be

[wild zephyr]

And it's ironic too, he has a move where his sword extends, but half the time the sword feels small

[compact dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/s/grha0Ng9gT

Stuff like this shows off how bad a lot of animations line up with hits

[wild zephyr]

Yeah I feel like Finn's likes to do this A LOT when you use certain attacks

Rip Jason

man should have hit all of those

[torpid ginkgo]

backpack strength, press the advantage, speed force if your newer to finn or airwalker if you have a bit more experience, pugalist normally but when against a WW or armor heavy character def bring armor crush

[tardy falcon]

honestly I don’t even take armor crush into WW, i’m probably just tweaking but i’ve been cheated too many times

[torpid ginkgo]

its sooooo good

[tardy falcon]

every time i’ve tried it i have been cheated

i just camp out the WW armor in neutral and then other chars i don’t usually have armor issues

[rotund wraith]

I set up two classes , only difference is the last perk

I should be good to go

[torpid ginkgo]

im also just hyper agro ADHD brain aggressive so i like it

[rotund wraith]

That felt good

Now when I spike an opponent it actually kills

[tardy falcon]

speaking of spike I want dair to actually give combos :(

[chrome cove]

I don’t like Airwalker because i’m not used to it yet, i just use Last Stand for that little extra kill power toward the end of my life just in case

[pale gull]

airwalker is so good i cant stop using ir

[tardy falcon]

yeah i run it, don't pop it crazy often tho

[barren steppe]

‼️Why do we have a “sweetspot”? It doesn’t do any extra damage. It actually does less. Finn “sweetspot” on his in air side special does 5 damage. Without hitting the “sweetspot” it’s 6 damage. There’s no extra knock back on the “sweetspot” either. You get more knock back from the non “sweetspot”. So in all it’s pointless you even be mentioned. ‼️

[torpid ginkgo]

last stand is kinda meh on Finn due to how light he is. Especially with some characters just killing constantly below 100

press the advantage isnt ideal but if you cant get an early confrim off of backpack it makes killing with stray charged attacks a lot easier and its based off if your opponents%

[tardy falcon]

better combos? i didn’t know it had different hitboxes since resources are bad for this game but sometimes they get knocked way too far for me to fish for up tilt after

[torpid ginkgo]

looking for the best of the best Finns. Wanna learn from ppl better than me and run some 1v1s. Please DM I want some practice

[sweet drift]

Bro did not say that 💀

[pine marsh]

Give Finn his knockout potential back he shouldn’t have to get someone in a full true combo up to the edge of the map to knock them out at 150 damage, especially when you have the perk on where it makes the backpack stronger the more coins you have. bring Finn back to the way he used to be during the beginning of the beta when he was just as good as every other character it’s so annoying that every single character that I loved playing absolutely sucks now

[rotund wraith]

Yo

I can practice with you whenever

[torpid ginkgo]

bet

[rotund wraith]

W

[weak temple]

New adventure time content confirmed

Can’t wait man

Cool to see you wb supporting their best cartoon ever

[compact dagger]

adventure time has had 3 shows tf you mean. You mean cool to see they can still milk adventure time

[weak temple]

Ben 10 has had 4 shows

What u just said means nothing

And a movie btw

And a reboot

lol

[compact dagger]

ben 10 was also mostly a toy seller

nothing sold like 20 new alien toys

[weak temple]

I’m talking about projects idc abt toys. Ben 10 has more than Adventure Time and WB decided today to give Adventure Time more attention rather then Ben 10

[compact dagger]

yeah i was just saying that ben got a lot of serieses largely to do with how well he made them money through toys

[weak temple]

Oh

Yes ur right abt that

Mb

[compact dagger]

adventure time is just them realizing that they can do what disney is doing and make money from more spin offs\

ben 10 has always largely just been continuations which is honestly very rare for CN. most shows dont get continuations in the next series like ben 10 and adventure time

[weak temple]

Adventure Time is more loved for its lore and the show itself while Ben 10 is loved for the character and the cool concept of the watch

[compact dagger]

adventure time is a very tempting world with lots of potential to slot in other characters other than finn

[weak temple]

People like Ben 10 more then Finn but like the story behind adventure time more than that or Ben 10

[compact dagger]

ben is pretty necessary for people to care about ben 10 world

aint nobody gonna watch a gwen show lol

[weak temple]

Obviously

I’m just saying the character is more appreciated then the lore

Can’t say the same for adventure time

[weak temple]

Fr

[compact dagger]

yeah ben 10 is largely episodic and very few episodes have prerequisites. Adventure Time gets very lore heavy as it goes

[weak temple]

Real

[barren steppe]

I stand by it

[swift idol]

They should buff Finn

[sweet drift]

💀

[compact dagger]

a lot of finn feels like chance placement i do agree

his best moves need you to have the enemy make a mistake

[barren steppe]

You play Finn? Or main Finn?

[compact dagger]

Up tilt especially feels like "damn you really just let me walk up and up smash huh"

[sweet drift]

??? up b???

[compact dagger]

up b is very predictable

[barren steppe]

I main Finn. I don’t really play with anyone else nor do I have a desire to. So I’m sure I’m locked in with Finn.

[compact dagger]

every finn is going to fish for an up b the second you are in the air

[sweet drift]

Doesn't take away the humongous hitbox and active frames.

[compact dagger]

up special is a little finicky though bc of how it scales

sometimes you get unlucky and the best time to kill is when you have $7.25

and up special doesnt kill

[barren steppe]

I’ll be on the game in an hr if anybody trying to show me something.

[rotund wraith]

Y’all I just got smacked

[stuck tide]

Can’t you confirm into it off of nair?

[torpid ginkgo]

naw dude you did fine. Youll get way better soon I think

[compact dagger]

yeah i think so. Nair is very fun to chain

[stuck tide]

Then you don’t need to read them you can just string nair into it. Nair is pretty quick and unreactable as well

[pale gull]

any good finns wanna run dittos?

[torpid ginkgo]

Sure

[rotund wraith]

Bmo is so OP

[pale gull]

okay

my tag is ItzPondR

[harsh bolt]

Somebody make a Finn discord, PUH-LEASE

[torpid ginkgo]

K

[rotund wraith]

Iron giant is apparently back, how we deal with him

[torpid ginkgo]

working on it

[harsh bolt]

my goat

https://tenor.com/view/party-hard-anime-party-celebrate-parties-gif-13077041

[rotund wraith]

That guy that asked to 1V1 wants to face me

[harsh bolt]

👀

[rotund wraith]

This mf got a 5 digit name

[torpid ginkgo]

win for me

[rotund wraith]

I’m prolly gonna lose but I’ll give it my best

Here we go

Bro won 2 matches in a row without me getting a single kill

[harsh bolt]

This is why we need a dedicated Finn Discord server

We could all be in VC streaming and watching this happen in real time

[torpid ginkgo]

in working bro

[rotund wraith]

It’s bad bro

Finn stands no chance against banana guard

Since Finn is slower as soon as I dodge it leaves me open for his spear strike every time

[harsh bolt]

boo >;T

[long axle]

guys

do you guys have any tips to deal with a batman
especially one that spams the slide?
this could go for harley too

[tardy falcon]

both slides can be hit with down air if predicted

harley’s i find is even not too hard to jab

trading with batmans slide is pretty bad tho so i wouldn’t recommend jab for him

[barren steppe]

Anybody trying to lab?

[barren steppe]

Idk if anybody did this but there’s a true 0-death jab, jab, down tilt, up tilt, jump, down special, nair, up special. I hope I wrote that right.

[torpid ginkgo]

P sure down tilt into up tilt isnt true

[barren steppe]

Your right I’m having trouble doing it live in game.

[tardy falcon]

yeah it’s not true, but a lot of people like to dodge there so it’s not a difficult punish to get

i also doubt up tilt down special is true bc of the sheer startup on that

when up tilt nair doesn’t even work

[swift idol]

We’re untouched, let’s go

[rotund wraith]

Woo

[torpid ginkgo]

has anyone ever actually gotten value from air down special?

only time its ever come in use (outside of last stitch recovery’s) is sometimes being a mixup when they are on the ledge on using it to set up for a free down air

[rotund wraith]

I use it to get out of certain attacks

Istg if iron giant is still op

[rotund wraith]

I just destroyed an iron giant main

[barren steppe]

Another patch and nothing for us.

They gave Velma too much. More control is crazy.

[torpid ginkgo]

dude shes ass still

and finn is fine

[real zephyr]

finn doesnt really need anything

[rotund wraith]

Fins hit box is wrong

[wild zephyr]

His hitboxes could be changed so when I’m right next to someone they can’t just stand there and avoid all my attacks

[rotund wraith]

How’s that server coming along

Omg I hit a combo mid match

[solemn adder]

any finns want to 1v1?

[noble halo]

Jab -> jab -> IAD nair -> HOLD DOWN jump sair 1 -> uair -> sair 1 -> up special
Have fun

Works on all DI, but nair hitbox may be wonky 🤷‍♂️
On DI in/no DI, you need to jump after uair

[rotund wraith]

The bubble shield is very useful against bugs

[fleet echo]

just use side b

[torpid ginkgo]

Pretty good

getting ready go open soon

just not that sure if ill need mods

[rotund wraith]

W

[tardy falcon]

dair actually getting combos would be cool

[barren steppe]

Agreed. It’s growing on me dumb ass move. Smh 🤦🏽‍♂️ lol 😂

[tardy falcon]

can you post a vid

[tardy falcon]

does this mean touch the ground and jump again?

or is this without nair charge up

bc i can hit it w no nair charge but not with

[rotund wraith]

Bro I hit the combo you taught me

I put my own spin on it though, I hit him with an up air , spiked him then hit him with the bag

[noble halo]

No nair charge, don't touch the ground

[tardy falcon]

gotcha

[barren steppe]

Yeah I need a clip

[tardy falcon]

i can record one in a lil bit

i think i get it anyways

[tardy falcon]

if you were to jump for up air on di in wouldn’t you need to touch the ground tho?

[torpid ginkgo]

which one?

[tardy falcon]

i have my doubts about it being true tho since training mode sucks and up air has such a small amount of hitstun

[torpid ginkgo]

@tardy falcon you a adventure time fan

[tardy falcon]

i liked it as a kid but never saw much past like season 3

[rotund wraith]

The backpack kill

[tardy falcon]

in the middle of a watch rn

i'm on like season 5 or 6 rn i'd have to check i forget

[torpid ginkgo]

when you get to “food chain” the ending song goes so hard 😭

[tardy falcon]

i did get to food chain