Batman

[loud sky]

joker, ww, gizmo, arya are all more consistent than him

anyways

https://youtu.be/TFm4_oTWdiQ

check out my bat montage

[tough roost]

Remove superman from the game

[rich meadow]

sniper punch gotta get looked at (nerf that thing into the ground)

anyone tryna spar

[loud sky]

Bro I been sparing Superman

It’s either I stomp him or get gimped it’s crazy

I don’t know if it’s skill issue tho

Especially when they’re good

[loud sky]

Support🙏🏾

[turbid shore]

his nair and sair can easily carry people offstage

his grab is difficult to deal with especially without batarang

and hes got good armor

annoying mu but its winnable i think

[loud sky]

Yeah it is fs

But yeah wasting baterang is very bad

Also baterang takes so long to come out so u shouldn’t mash it in a Superman string because nair and sair will hit u before u can throw it lol

[velvet quail]

Why does the grappnel feel worse here then in the beta?

Like I swore ive seen the hook attatch to a surface but then the game says "nuh uh, didn't happen."

[undone wraith]

Yeah that happened to me last night lol

[granite kiln]

Everything is worse than the beta

Player First Games had this horrendous model of downgrading everything from the beta

[loud sky]

Also when I grapple to ledge and dodge cancel off I don’t get my special back even though I ledge touched which is annoying

[granite kiln]

Ledges arent supposed to refill air options anymore

[elfin mountain]

how does batman kill?

[granite kiln]

Up special, dash attack, jab, bomb, up air, up tilt, etc.

Batman has some of the highest kill potential in the game, he's just not as easy as other characters

[elfin mountain]

makes sense

[velvet quail]

That's weird cause i remember during the beta someone said it's difficult for Batman to kill. Which was also lore accurate cause he doesnt do the kill

[smoky radish]

he doesn't kill, he only severely cripples

[granite kiln]

That was... not true...

Batman was top 3 in the beta because he was so fast and oppressive and killed you with any move in his kit because he always applied weakened

[vale forge]

Fr😭

[velvet quail]

That's so weird lol.

[granite kiln]

Batman is so broken for no real reason

[loud sky]

hes good

[loud sky]

u tend to call everything broken

i think u should jus main joker and have fun at this point lol

[granite kiln]

I will never main Joker

[rich meadow]

nah try it out zypten

you still main shaggy right?

[granite kiln]

No I cant stand playing current Shaggy

I unironically do better with Velma

[loud sky]

I was playing beta mvs earlier today

Man shaggy felt so good

Wavestomp canceling and super saiyan canceling

[granite kiln]

Literally

They killed the character by making him easier for noobs

Bring back hangry hopping and landing combos longer than 3 attacks 🗣️

[rich meadow]

wdym

shaggy was always supposed to be an easy character

[granite kiln]

Yes but before he was fun

He had combos

His kit was fluent and worked with itself

Now he's just a character who relies on killing everyone at 60% with jab > jab > up b or just landing sair

Despite him being so busted he's still the one character I can't play without losing to the worst players imaginable

[tardy gyro]

Lmao

So they made him appeal to more glue eaters than before

[granite kiln]

Yeah

The side b spammers eating good

They just have to land it 3 or 4 times before it kills

[rich meadow]

tbh thats a lot of characters now

a lot of them rely on jab a lot

so in some matches you get people fishing for jab just to start combos

would much rather it that characters had other combo starters

[rich meadow]

same goes to banana guard

i kinda wish they gave him tippers so that he has atleast smth interesting to work with

[tardy gyro]

Who actually uses bg tbh now

He was "interesting" to try out on release cause new character and all but hes so insanely boring to play

And I haven't come across a bg in forever

Agent smith is where its at 😎

[rich meadow]

cuz theres nothing interesting in his kit

[tardy gyro]

Ik

[granite kiln]

Yes but most characters dont REQUIRE jab

The longest possible combo with Shaggy is nair > jab 2 > up b

[undone wraith]

Nair doesn’t even true combo anymore, so it’s basically just jab 1,2 -> reverse up tilt -> up air

You can sometimes get sair if they don’t DI

[granite kiln]

No if they mash directional dodge sair will never hit

And uair you need to be EXTREMELY fast to land

Revert is sair to a combo tool, buff his hitstun/lower his endlag on hit for better combos on his normals, and drastically lower damage and knockback on his specials

[rich meadow]

just give him some more combo routes to work with

shaggy combos do be really dry

[granite kiln]

What I said above is what he needs

He'll be balanced if they do that fr

[undone wraith]

I agree with this tbh

I didn’t play the beta, but I’ve seen some clips from it

Beta looked like a whole different game lmao

[subtle saffron]

cuz it was

[undone wraith]

How does Batman play neutral generally? Like what moves should I be looking to land?

[versed mesa]

throw batarang

repeat as necessary

[tight aspen]

What happened to batman's double air side? (The dark knight returns reference) it's gone from his kit.

[tardy gyro]

It only triggers when u hit the first sair

[velvet quail]

Unless you're too close to the ground.

[subtle saffron]

u will rarely hit that anyway

[sturdy beacon]

Whats everyones favorite perks for batman?

[vale forge]

Batarang, flammable, dash attack armor/last stand, pugilist

[granite kiln]

It's such a shame that Batman is balanced in 2s but top tier in 1s

[loud sky]

Um there’s so many other chars to cry about besides Batman

[granite kiln]

Um nuh uh batman is among the best 1s characters without a doubt

Joker is like the only stronger character

[tough roost]

No

[vale forge]

And iron giant, gizmo and steven, bro batman its not s tier

His good but not the best at the game

[vale forge]

Also arya stark

[remote crescent]

batman struggles against disjoints and finns are probably the best in the game

[north garden]

Gotcha, ty for the info

[granite kiln]

Bro said Steven 💀

[vale forge]

Steven its op

His up air

[granite kiln]

He got gutted lol

[vale forge]

Neutral special

[vale forge]

Hes still the same

And 5 frames side air with deflect

[granite kiln]

Neutral special? Isnt that the move that bubbles you? Lol

[vale forge]

And an insta parry with shield

[vale forge]

Its an laser that kill you at 80

And his up air kills at 60

[granite kiln]

How are you getting hit by it 😭

[granite kiln]

Nothing true combos into it

[vale forge]

Its pretty easy

[granite kiln]

Batman has true 0tds pretty sure

[vale forge]

Ofc there its

Neutral special into up air

[granite kiln]

Anyways, Batman is way better than Steven this is unimaginable cope

Just accept that Batman is a top tier in 1s

[vale forge]

If you fight an 5k wins steven yo'll see what im talking about

[vale forge]

Hes not

Not even better than superman

Or black adam

[granite kiln]

The downplay is unreal

[vale forge]

His good but not the best

And finn its better tho

But batman its really good btw

[granite kiln]

Batman is S tier

[vale forge]

Hes high a

[granite kiln]

S

[vale forge]

In s its like

Gizmo, Steven, Iron giant, joker, finn, morty, harley you khow

[granite kiln]

Harley and Steven 💀

Major downplay of Batman

Batman has a true 0td, almost none of the characters you listed do
Batman is the fastest character in the game
Batman has probably the best advantage state in the game
Batmans neutral is so oppressive he might as well just always have advantage

[vale forge]

Ofc the characters that i mentionated had tod

Iron giant

Gizmo

Joker

Finn

[sturdy beacon]

Does anyone have a recommended input buffer setting for new players or is default fine?

[zealous finch]

anyone wanna 1v1?

[green bay]

It's tricky to answer because it's a bit up to preference. You should test different settings (like 10, 20 and 30 to ballpark where you feel more comfortable).

But if you want some more inputs, in short if you are new and press a lot of buttons while playing (as opposed to have "clean", single tap inputs) then having a large buff will most probably cause a lot of mistakes so you'll maybe want something on the shorter side.
But having a large buffer also make combos way easier, which is particularly good if you play Batman.

[zealous finch]

i use 27

[green bay]

Eh why not, I should dust myself a bit before S2

Lost the will to play these past couple weeks

[sturdy beacon]

thank you so much

[zealous finch]

how many batman wins you got?

[green bay]

I don't really remember, does it matters ?

[zealous finch]

nah

whats ur name

@green bay

[green bay]

DM

you there ?

@zealous finch

[zealous finch]

WASSUP

[loud sky]

All di’able besides like on that takes full dodge meter I think

[granite kiln]

Full dodge meter doesn't matter when you have it back by the time they respawn tbh

[loud sky]

Getting hit by round start slide is skill issue tbh

Especially with a move so punishable

[quiet pier]

99 damage true combo Di full proof

#combos message

[loud sky]

BATMAN NERF NOOO

[meager glade]

His loop combo got nerfed bruh

[loud sky]

Loop?

[subtle saffron]

the downattack iad thing?

[bright briar]

PFG seems to only love spammy characters, otherwise, they wouldn't have nerfed Batman and Jason

[loud sky]

I feel like if jab into IAD sair was true people would have found it sooner which is why this throwin me off😭

Also the ground bounce after jab2 has to be bad Di??

[quiet pier]

Jab2 iAd sair only bounces on dodge towards. But it will hit regardless

[meager glade]

Yeah that thing...

But yeah that thing doesn't exist anymore

[quiet pier]

Trust me. These mfs don’t do any IAD combos otherwise people would loop jab2 iad sair for 60+

[subtle saffron]

actually?

if thats the case i gotta learn how to jab into sideair consistently

[meager glade]

Hmm?

[green bay]

No it's true, displayed it in my combo video I did a while back

[loud sky]

So we jus never thought about loopin it back then😂

[green bay]

I did lol, but there was a reason I didn't showcased it

[loud sky]

😭😭

[green bay]

iirc it quickly become DI escapable

but it's been a while so I don't really remember

but that must be that

[loud sky]

I’ve done some funny airwalker stuff that has crazy corner carry

[green bay]

this perk is joever

[loud sky]

😭😭😭🙏🏾

Rip Airwalker

They should of just removed it and added a beta perk

Like jump height or jump speed or aerial acceleration

Especially with the momentum change

[vale forge]

Batman its ok now?

[subtle saffron]

no its still here

[meager glade]

???

Did you test it?

[subtle saffron]

ye

wait a min

holup

[meager glade]

???

@subtle saffron You there?

[subtle saffron]

ye its gone

looks like it send them upwards more

[meager glade]

Thought so

I mean you can literally already tell they're patching that

[meager glade]

Seems like more knockback sends them more upward

[loud sky]

We still have slide into jab I’m happy

[subtle saffron]

slide into jab?

[loud sky]

Yes

[undone wraith]

Yeah you can cancel first hit of slide

[subtle saffron]

how i know how to cancel into batarang and other moves but idk what to do for jab

[dusty falcon]

Imma be honest I can’t do any neutral combos when fighting certain characters so I have to result to spamming slide kicks

They never expect it

And it’s so hard to dodge

[woeful viper]

Is the hit stun reduction fewer whiff frames if we miss or less stun to target when we hit?

[dusty falcon]

It’s like people always know when the dodge behind me

[undone wraith]

Just do the input for jab after landing the first hit of slide

[lament marsh]

So, how do you guys feel about Samurai Jack matchup?

[green bay]

Less hitstun only. They wanted to get rid of slide > batbomb/down air

[loud sky]

either i destroy or they go off but i realized u jus gotta be a lil patient not that bad but he can gimp off the side really early

rank 4 batman rn feelin good

[zealous finch]

@loud sky ur good gg

close game u almost won

MAN I HATE TAZ

[loud sky]

That was u lol

My brain is fried

Grinding rank is a chore

[loud sky]

Wait what’s ur user?

[zealous finch]

Biggyblakie

[zealous finch]

the other bataman

[loud sky]

I was so heated😭

I hate mirror match so bad

[loud sky]

Also taz

But u gotta save ur baterang in this matchup

Or else ur Cooke

[zealous finch]

yea ik

[granite kiln]

Whenever I'm on a losing streak, I just switch to Batman because I know it'll boost my WR

[loud sky]

Batman mirror match is who spam divekick better

[granite kiln]

Mirror matches in this game are always about who spams (charcter OP attack) better

[loud sky]

I figured it out

In mirror match all I need is divekick

No need for my brain

[loud sky]

They need to just remove IG

[zealous finch]

@loud sky wanna play together?

[loud sky]

Mirror match?

[zealous finch]

NO id win

jk jk no like 2s or somthing

[zealous finch]

not really

[loud sky]

I jus won a mirror match against a top 10 Batman I think I’ve mastered the matchup

[loud sky]

i jus peeped the pfp reference lol

[zealous finch]

promise u he aint that good

[loud sky]

😂

ima run it back with u later today

[loud sky]

hes good gng

[zealous finch]

i 3-0 a batman with 3000 wins lol

his name was somthing joe star lol

bro this batman got so luck ugh

he had 123 health i was at 12 and he killed me he had 11k batman wins im so mad

mrdarringdapper headass

[loud sky]

wins geniunely mean nothing

they all from beta

[zealous finch]

not mine lol

[loud sky]

i beat daringdapper easy asl

hes just a grinder

nothing more nothing les

[loud sky]

u cant base any player off of wins

[loud sky]

hes rank 1 bat on leaderboard rn

[zealous finch]

YEA HES BAD LOL

im better than him LMFAO

really number 1 is that bad

i was dominationg the whole match

he was probably suprised to see a better batman than him

[loud sky]

cause hes a grinder

[green bay]

Mirror match is not a good meter at all to determine who is better as a player

[loud sky]

thank u touflou

one of the worst

u prolly havent beat top arya, morty ,etc

[green bay]

Then I would be better than you@zealous finch 😂

(which is definitely not the case)

[zealous finch]

he doesnt know anybatman combos

(Goood)

[loud sky]

thats how i feel when i watched goober

[zealous finch]

wanna 1v1 kuro?

[loud sky]

"top batman" jus camp

[green bay]

mirrorman could beat you by only using fair. Being technical =/= being good

[loud sky]

yes but im not on rn

busy

[zealous finch]

with batman?

i dont think so lol

[green bay]

I'm sure of it

[loud sky]

i washed mirrorman lol

[zealous finch]

btw i clipped mr dapper lol wanna see?

[loud sky]

but his spaccing and dodge meter conservation is good

[green bay]

Like don't get me wrong, you're good but you overestimate the importance of "doing combos" and underestimating the importance of the neutral game

[loud sky]

@zealous finch beat me once in ranked while i was autopiloting

[zealous finch]

go to clips you will see it hes not good lol

[green bay]

The match where he played Jason ? lmao

[loud sky]

ive played him

[zealous finch]

ok what does that has to do with anything?

[loud sky]

multiple times

ik

[zealous finch]

im not trash talking u or anything

[loud sky]

ik

i was tellin touflou

[green bay]

because mirrorman is stupid good at platform fighters, I have no doubt him playing seriously wash any person that has ever write in this channel

[loud sky]

nah but char difference is real

yeah if hes playing a great character

[green bay]

he always play very casual on his stream

[loud sky]

unless u play arya, morty or hightier im not really losing

joker

u can gass mirrorman but hes always barely beaten me even in beta when bugs was busted

[green bay]

That's good if you're confident in so many matchup

you still do tournaments ?

[loud sky]

taken a break

[green bay]

I see

[loud sky]

no point arya and joker gonna win

its clear as day

tamunokuro absolutely washed me today smh

jus when i thought shaggy wasnt a problem anymore

its like the momentum buff only made shaggy knee crazier

that move is geniunely too much

[zealous finch]

actully i used to think that

but ive now beat more arya than i lose

its hard but just try to know when there gonna use the down light

[loud sky]

i parry down light

but its not consistent

[green bay]

Yea I do feel like he benefited from that a lot. Batman too tbf, in a lesser extent

[zealous finch]

thats pretty bad

[loud sky]

have a couple instances where i parry down tilt

and kill

hard read

[zealous finch]

what i do is dodge than instant dash attack

[loud sky]

they can punsih that fs

what rank r u?

[zealous finch]

no that cant cause im punishing them its impossible

LITRALLY

[loud sky]

u play arya's that whiff?

damn bro

[zealous finch]

impossible then dont have enough frames

???

no

[loud sky]

its so rare the arya i play whiff they jus camp

they play whiff punish

[zealous finch]

its not a whiff if im just better and read how is that whiffing what?

[loud sky]

and i lose my braincells

u say u punish their dtilt

[zealous finch]

no i punish them WHAT??

yea

[loud sky]

that means they whiffed dtilt

[zealous finch]

not to be mean but you get hit by every dtilt?

[loud sky]

no

[zealous finch]

ok so does that mean they whiffed

[loud sky]

but sometimes i cant punish because of how they whiff

[granite kiln]

@zealous finch Shhhh 🤫

[loud sky]

u can space dtilt and certain moves to where on whiff u cant be punsihed

its called spacing

ive beat good arya

but consistently no

u might just be good

[zealous finch]

then dont get hit by it out space them

if they play it safe

then you can play it safe too and back up when they do that

[loud sky]

brainrot Mvs

[green bay]

Oh just verfied stats wise, they both benefited evenly from that momentum change, and they look to be among the ones that benefited the most of it among the whole cast (due to their walk speed being that good)

[zealous finch]

if you can punish the Dtilt then you also can out space it

[zealous finch]

also just reading it safe or not you can dodge it and hit them lol

[green bay]

?

I'm talking about the momentum change from the last update

Like Shaggy and Batman have the fastest walk speed and the biggest difference between walk speed and air speed

So this change is huge for them

[loud sky]

arya objectively has better neutral than bats the only reason batman ever wins is because the limited number of touches we need to kill her since shes light

that being said

she still kills us at 70

[green bay]

Arya has buttons that play neutral for her

[loud sky]

if ur cruising the arya matchup 9/10 not tryna be disrespctful ur playing trash aryas

[zealous finch]

no i understand all of this

but just be better thats all i gotta say i win most my arya matches cause i can kill her in like 6 hits

[loud sky]

the matchup isnt impossible at all

[zealous finch]

bro im fighting aryas with like 3000 wins +

[loud sky]

again wins literally mean nothing

i go off tourney names

[green bay]

😭

[loud sky]

😭😭

[zealous finch]

to a certin extent yes they do

[loud sky]

3k wins means nothing

[zealous finch]

i have not done a tourney cause i dont know where to look

[loud sky]

everything after 1k doesnt mean anything

[green bay]

x amount of wins means nothing*

[loud sky]

not even 1k

300

[zealous finch]

i have 1000 wins with bats and im am not trash at all

[loud sky]

people will have 300 wins on a char and win tourney with them

i know

some people have 10k and suck

[zealous finch]

yea ik this but wins still do determin skill

[green bay]

Chek your DMs @zealous finch

[loud sky]

its like fortnite

[green bay]

Sent you the link to the official pro MVS server

[loud sky]

wins stop mattering after creative came out

[green bay]

They have a channel where they list every tourney

Go show them 💪

[zealous finch]

this is true

[loud sky]

wins jus means ur a grinder

people be playing customs all the time grinding

i know a ton of tourney players not even on rank leaderboards

[zealous finch]

would you guys like to start a gc?

[loud sky]

like where the hell is shiro

[green bay]

It doesn't. At all. I assure you, stop considering this.

[zealous finch]

no its just only a few times ive lost to someone with less wins they me

'AND way more it more wins

so it matters a little bit only in the least

[green bay]

A winrate is closer to meaning something, and even then you should not consider it too seriously especially when it comes to casual

[zealous finch]

my win rate is usally 70-85%

[green bay]

But a number of win is just... meaningless to the max lol

[zealous finch]

@green bay @loud sky add me

[green bay]

Just saw it, done

[zealous finch]

@loud sky

[zealous finch]

wanna play 2s?

[green bay]

I was so excited to hop back in the game with S2 but Ranked being BO1 for now just drained my fun

[loud sky]

nah its for the better

[green bay]

I won't play right now as I'll keep going AFK, I can later eventually

[loud sky]

imagine rematching iron giant

[green bay]

idc about losing, I just want to play f*ckin BO3 sets. Since game launched lol

[loud sky]

i feel like im getting better because of best of 1

i play way more people

[zealous finch]

bro add me

[loud sky]

also once u hit masters ur gonna play the same amount of people over and over

[green bay]

I did a few rankeds, won almost everything. It's not even about losing, its just not fun for me lol

[loud sky]

im not even on

but i got u later

[loud sky]

if u played as soon as it came out it was straight comp

[zealous finch]

bruh just do it now its not hard 😭

[green bay]

I. Want. BO3.

Bad players, good players

[loud sky]

im working on my computer im jus getting distracted plus im console lol😭

[green bay]

I want to play BO3 lol

[loud sky]

yeah but not for IG

[green bay]

Like this was on my top 1 wish since launch

[loud sky]

i was dissapointed but i already explained why its terrible for this version of the game

lemme copy paste

i used to advocate for bo3 but after playing espcially when u get into higher ranks ur probably gonna catch the same people over and over
and just like u im not tryna rematch iron giant at all
it would also take abnormaly long to rank up, BO3 in beta was fine because the game was 2 stocks and WAYY faster but now with 3 stocks and way slower game i couldnt imagine. My brain would rot

[green bay]

I HATE swiping from BO1 to another BO1 like I'm on f*ckin Tinder

[loud sky]

the game too slow for best of 3

[green bay]

I wont mind

[loud sky]

nah i wouldnt rank up

[full surge]

Yeah I’ve said the same. Ranked forced BO3 to stop all the one-and-doners from trying to gimmick their way to a better rank than their actual skill

[loud sky]

if im getting 7rp off a hard fought win

imagine best of 3

i would lose my mind winning twice for 7rp

[full surge]

You should just get rewarded by game and not by set

[loud sky]

too slow to rank already

yeah but then boosting would be crazy

but i got u

[green bay]

It's supposed to be that way, the rematch function was broken so they disabled it for now.
They barely talked about this except on their game studio Twitter account lol

for some reasons

[full surge]

Yeah I know

[green bay]

Like its not a big deal lol

In any game that would have been fixed in the following hours after update

but PFG is... PFG

[full surge]

Yeah…

I mean, at least we finally have ranked

[zealous finch]

bro im talking about discord dumbass lol

[green bay]

Yea, honestly they did a good job with this new season. It's the actual game release lol

[loud sky]

ohhh😂

[green bay]

But the ONE feature I awaited for so long... doesn't works lol

[zealous finch]

😭

[loud sky]

mb brudda

[full surge]

Yeah this is what the full launch of the game should’ve been

But I’m assuming they were forced to get it out due to WB deadlines

[loud sky]

getting early killed by samurai jack is a different level of tilted

[full surge]

And then the game suffered in season 1 from all the missing features

[loud sky]

i love the character too much to complain tho

[full surge]

Dude his side special kills at like 70 at ledge it’s nuts

[loud sky]

less since i play batman

lol

he can kill 40 on the right stage

[full surge]

Yeah I’m playing Shaggy and he’s heavier

Yikes

[loud sky]

his edge guard is crazy

[green bay]

Most probably. And they just bought PFG studio so fortunately they don't become confident forcing "too early" launch for future updates 😬

[full surge]

His dash attack is also stupid strong for no reason

[full surge]

Dude I can’t recover against him

[loud sky]

i can only imagine shaggy

batman has grapple, baterang upspecial

and so much offstage mixup

[zealous finch]

imagine getting 3-0 stupid harley

[full surge]

Like he doesn’t even kill confirm. He just hits you and Shaggy has no button that can beat side special

[loud sky]

and still gets edge guarded

[green bay]

I didn't play much of this new season, but I've watch a few streams and while the character doesn't look especially strong, god damn does he kills early near the edge

[loud sky]

i hit a crazy edge clip on a samurai jack tho

[loud sky]

yeah hes seems hella fun

struggles to kill but

can kill early

ima pick him up cause i shink he prolly beats arya idk

[full surge]

What’re the early thoughts on Jack looking like?

[green bay]

It feels like he pack a lot of base knockback on certain moves

so if you're near a blastzone pray

[full surge]

I feel like he’s high tier minimum

[loud sky]

it seems only his tipper kills early

[loud sky]

maximum

[full surge]

You think he’s mid?

[loud sky]

he can counter projectiles tho

which was insane

[full surge]

I mean, he’s no Morty lmao

Dude why did they buff Morty

[loud sky]

one of them counter my batereang and teleported to me and slashed me and i died

[green bay]

I had the same thought, from watching the character I was thinking "man he seems good against Arya" 😂

I love his counter, I know I would be dirty with it

[zealous finch]

GET 2-1 RICK U SUCK

I hate that thing where the use the thing to make them big and the teleport it to you like what???

[green bay]

Yea this projectile is atrocious, you can't even take the risk to try pushing Rick out of range of it

What I do is I just stall on a wall until he goes back to normal

Thanks to his big hurtbox he can't easily approach to spike you or anything

you can just keep him away with upb lol

[zealous finch]

@green bay here is the thing

IF YOUR FIGHTING A GOOD RICK HE CAN MAKE HIMSELF BIG AND TELEPORT IT TO YOU ANYWHERE U ARE ON THE MAP TO MAKE HIM BIG AND YOU A FU- DOG a good rick will teleport it to you while ur on the wall

[green bay]

I don't go on the wall until he triggered it, I stall while he's transformed

But yea if you do get hit by it, good luck 👍

But normally he shouldn't be able to teleport it easily toward you, you can see it coming

Unless I'm ignoring a setup that is difficult to escape

but I don't think so

[zealous finch]

no the teleport is instant

super hard to doge especally against a rick thats masters this specific move

@loud sky @green bay YUP HES SOO BAD MR DAPPER LOL CHECK CLIPS

[vale forge]

Anyone here from playstation got the ps plus pack from multiversus

I dont get it

[loud sky]

YESS I GOT COOKED BY THAT LIKE 2 DAYS AGO😭

U can place smoke bomb on it and u won’t transform

[zealous finch]

thx Good tip like god tier

[tardy gyro]

OI OI OI

Skibidi ohio rizz sigma batman

[rich meadow]

bro why does bagman do so much weakened😭

[loud sky]

max weakened is 3 stacks now

so baterang on return is max stacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikqd9XLT8SQ

^support

[zealous finch]

im kinda scared to post a vid cause yall dont know the batcmbos ik and im gate keeping😭

[loud sky]

Yeah I used to be like that

But go on twitter

They prolly already know

But slide into jab I created that week 1

[zealous finch]

ik knew that combo one of the fist i made too lol

i gues u already saw i knew it in the clip i sent lol

[dusty falcon]

Ngl I’m just spamming slide kick 💀

[rich meadow]

yeah i know but the problem is he dishes out weakened so much its crazy

[granite kiln]

Tony Huynh has a bias towards DC that makes him tell the balance team to keep DC characters strong

[loud sky]

Bro y’all saying nerf but y’all not saying what to nerf

He’s literally balanced rn

He got nerfed 3 times

Get better

[granite kiln]

Nerf his dash attack

Needs more whiff

[subtle saffron]

w bait 9/10

[granite kiln]

It's not bait, it's a joke

They're different

[subtle saffron]

👈 👍

[clever pollen]

🔥

[dusty falcon]

#clips message omg…

[loud sky]

U can’t do this no more lol

Also slide sair into slide is true on bad di

[late osprey]

Busted character

[marble sparrow]

ngl bro it's crazy how nobody used batman until it was obvious they wouldn't nerf him majorly or even in any decent shape at all

[loud sky]

Talk about Finn dash attack before Batman

Also they already added 4billion whiff

U want them to add more?

Baterang used to give 5 in beta the lowered it to 3 also that’s on return do u want 0 stacks?

Also it’s a perk

The lowered max stacks from 5 to 3 that’s why it seems that way

At least it doesn’t low profile jab like Harley and joker??

Who do u play @dusty vector

Who do u play

??

Ur complaining about baterang on Reindog??

That’s insane

So I can see ur perspective

Batman has 1 projectile

One projectile that has counterplay

U can parry it in neutral run projectile perks

Who do u play?

Characters like Marvin have 1k projectiles

So it’s useless

To run projectile perk

Characters that beat or can keep up with Batman if u need counter pick, Finn, WW, joker, gizmo, Reindog, Morty, Rick, lebron(surprisingly)

[dusty falcon]

Been watching Batman gameplay and I realize I barely actually use my glide

Or my up attack

[subtle saffron]

is down special randomly not canceling for anybody else?

[loud sky]

sometimes u double jump so u cant jump cancel

but u can dodge

there are 3 ways to cancel divekick

batbomb cancel,dodge, and jump

[full surge]

Isn’t the batbomb cancel only on hit tho?

[loud sky]

nope

it stops ur aerial momentum in place

[subtle saffron]

i tried everything except batbomb i just couldnt do anything

[dusty falcon]

You gotta dodge up

#clips message

[coral girder]

what is meant with hit your opponent with a sweetspot

[clever pollen]

Some character moves have a sweetspot, like WW uptilt or Adam downtilt

If you hit that sweetspot, you hear a certain soundeffect and the attack does extra knockback + damage if I remember correctly

Tip of WW lasso is also one, Smith gets one with his gun if you select the perk, TnJ had one (got removed) and Jake has one on his side attack I think

Batman doesnt have one

[coral girder]

where can i see if a character has one

[clever pollen]

Play and see if a character has it

[tardy gyro]

Does smiths perk sweetspot count btw anyone know?

For the mission

[full surge]

You mean for the rift missions?

[tardy gyro]

Yeah

[coral girder]

i dont find any the sound is always the same

[tardy gyro]

Pretty sure jack has one on his down air

If u hit them with the tip of the sword

[granite kiln]

The devs are lazy so new sweet spots dont actually work

Use WW up air or Harley nair

The back of Harleys hammer has a sweet spot and the tip of WWs foot has a sweet spot which I think actually spikes

[full surge]

A few I can think of are Jake sair, Harley back hit nair, and I think Finn side special

But you can’t use perks

Anything that make the ping sound effect

It sounds similar to the home run bat in Smash

[loud sky]

tip of grounded up special??

[full surge]

It’s gotta be something that makes the ping sound

[clever pollen]

Havent hit that one yet

[loud sky]

oh

[loud sky]

yeah then no sweetspot

[full surge]

Yeah there’s very few moves with actual sweetspots

And they removed the one from T&J

[loud sky]

imo tipper is basically same thing

[full surge]

Jake sair is the easiest one to land

[loud sky]

arya neutral attack

does it have tipper?

[clever pollen]

Adam downtilt is easiest for me

[full surge]

Oh yeah her air side special while dagger is on cooldown

[subtle saffron]

is puglist better than static?

[granite kiln]

Very much so

You get either a passive 10% damage boost or you gain 3 extra damage on your next hit after running on the ground for what 4 seconds straight?

[green bay]

Actually Static deal 7% and is triggered by grapple. I talked about this perk a while ago, saying it was underestimated af

[granite kiln]

Maybe I'm insane and need to memorize every perk but isn't static gaining electrified after running for what feels like days?

[green bay]

I do think it has its uses but having to move on the ground for 4s make it pretty mid

So yea overall Pugilist stay better but dont sleep on Static, it's usable

[granite kiln]

I think it's just pointless when one of Batmans abilities is literally to just electrify himself whenever he wants

[green bay]

For comparison, one proc of Static equal the bonus damages of pugilist after 107% damages dealt to the opponent

[green bay]

This doesn't proc from grapple and deal way less damages

Also if you play with the burn on projectile, Static also trigger it lol

So you can do something like 11-12% in one grapple

It's pretty insane

But again, you have to run for 4s so...

It's usable on big maps against campy/slow characters

[dull marten]

hey is batman's dash attack cancel into dash attack true?

[dusty falcon]

I legit feel bad for Jason players 😭

[dusty falcon]

#clips message someone explain to me how did he get out of this

[green bay]

your jab1 after batarang didn't connect because he bounced too high

as simple as that

[dusty falcon]

How?

[full surge]

Because of the universal change to ground bounces

It drastically affects IG because he used to have the lowest ground bounce by far

[dusty falcon]

So how did I hit him with the combo the first time?

[full surge]

Now it’s standardized among the entire cast

[full surge]

Luckier with his hurt animation

[green bay]

The way you angle batarang influence the KB angle

You probably angled it downward, making him bounce

[subtle saffron]

dont think so think

[loud sky]

Is it normal to lose 14 to a game in masters

[granite kiln]

You should be losing around 15-20 and gaining around 2-3
The way ranked works is the higher your rank the more you lose and the less you gain

There's no reason for that

That's just how it is

[tall egret]

It should be the same win or loss imo

[granite kiln]

I think your win and loss gain should be based on the rank of your opponent

And I also think ranked should match you with people in your rank

[tall egret]

Legit

[granite kiln]

My wins have all been bronze/silver players and my losses have mostly been diamond/masters players (I'm hardstuck plat V because of this bs)

[tall egret]

I keep matching with bronze and silver now

But when I was doing good consistently I started getting only plats

[tardy gyro]

U didnt hit jab1 after batarang

[zealous finch]

i used batman day one

[dusty falcon]

Any Batman’s above Gold?

[zealous finch]

nah im bronze why

[nimble path]

I like Batman on my team (steven).

[clever pollen]

Plenty

[dusty falcon]

Are you?

[clever pollen]

Almost

Silver 2

[dusty falcon]

…

[clever pollen]

2v2s though

Gonna grind 1v1 once I get better

[subtle saffron]

is there another option other than wasting ur batarang for dogpile?

[full surge]

No. You can’t challenge dogpile with any non-projectile move Batman has

[subtle saffron]

is it the same with tornado?

[full surge]

You technically can but it’ll most likely trade

I’m pretty sure sair will trade with nado

But it’s usually easier to just batterang

If Taz is using nado above you, you can beat it with aerial up special

But you can also just wait out nado and punish the whiff lag tho it’s harder to do so when Taz nado is off cooldown since he can hold it longer

[dull marten]

are there certain bnbs and confirms that i can practice?

[tardy gyro]

idk whats true and not anymore lmao, wanna join a batman server where u can ask there? lotta good bat players in it, if u want I can dm u the invite

[dull marten]

yeah sure

[lapis dirge]

you should not be able to cancel dive kick

[clever pollen]

You should

Why not?

[undone wraith]

This guy going into every thread to complain about every character 💀

[lapis dirge]

why should you? it creates a spammable combo move with no punish window, you can only punish dive kick by reading what the batman will do out of it which i dont find okay

[lapis dirge]

only the top tiers 😁

i went to the jack thread to stop people from complaining that hes op because hes just not

mid tier

[dusk kernel]

this bait is more obvious that Tom & Jerry's down special

[clever pollen]

Lmfao

Agreed

[lapis dirge]

most of jacks moveset has a good amount of whiff frames and are well telegraphed with somewhat laggy startup so if youre missing the punish thats on you

same cannot be said for batmans dive kick

its the main reason why hes as high as he is

that and batarang but batarang is kind of vital

batman would be outright bad if batarang got nerfed too hard or removed

[clever pollen]

Nah

Divekick being cancellable is not the reason hes A tier

😂

[lapis dirge]

he'd drop a full tier if it got nerfed to not be cancellable

and did you not read anything else i just said?

[clever pollen]

What is your purpose by sending these messages

I am curious

We are all gonna disagree, this is the Batman thread

[lapis dirge]

i wanted to se what batman players thought but since you have nothing valuable to say relating to the move other than just saying "no its not op i love my character so much please dont nerf him" i'll leave

[clever pollen]

His dash attack got nerfed plenty

Batman is fine atm

[lapis dirge]

still havent said a word about dive kick

[clever pollen]

You can be upset in the Joker thread

[clever pollen]

Divekick is easily readable, idk what else to say

Its a decent move

Has spike potential

[lapis dirge]

what do you mean by this?

"easily readable" in what sense? the startup? the options he can do out of it?

[clever pollen]

It takes like 0.5 second for Batman to initiate divekick and for his foot to be out, plenty of time to react, the move itself is also kinda sluggish

Startup

[lapis dirge]

doesnt matter if the upper half of his body is out of frame from jumping (curse this stupid ones camera)

[clever pollen]

Its probably best to assume a batmain will always divekick when hes above

[lapis dirge]

also taz nado is by definition sluggish but it makes up for it because its uncontestable

similar situation with batman dive kick, it basically gives him free stage control because you'll have to gamble at what he does out of it and its uncontestable

best ive gotten trying to contest dive kick is a trade

in exchange for nerfing dive kick give him a better way to deal with projectiles

that way camping zoners arent so obnoxiously overbearing for him to deal with while batman himself actually becomes a more balanced and healthy character

[clever pollen]

This may be bias but hes healthy imo

[lapis dirge]

you read nothing of what i just sent

you skipped to the end to read the last sentence

[clever pollen]

I dont understand the gambling part

[clever pollen]

Can you delete this

[green bay]

Rendering it non-cancellable at all kill the character. But it has already been discussed to nerf it, this is actually what I anticipated when the 1st balance patch hit

[lapis dirge]

batman mains use more than a quarter of their brains challenge

[clever pollen]

Mods dont like misinformation

[lapis dirge]

batmans defining move is batarang, not dive kick

[green bay]

They didn't go this way and made not so good choice imo

[clever pollen]

Tbh its a character which uses brains to play compared to half the roster

[lapis dirge]

as it is dive kick is a fundamentally unhealthy move

[clever pollen]

Try not to spam side special challenge (shaggy edition)

[lapis dirge]

not really, mash dive kick and get free stage control

[green bay]

Divekick is not healthy, and rendering it non-cancellable would still kill the character

I would rather not have the move

[clever pollen]

I dont see the issue with divekick

[green bay]

But it need to be nerf, I agree

[clever pollen]

Can you send me some footage of it

[green bay]

Making it non-cancellable for a few frames would be great

[clever pollen]

Genuinly

[clever pollen]

Where its a problem, I mean

[lapis dirge]

it needs to be non-cancellable if used on stage so it cant be used as a tool for free stage control

[clever pollen]

It still is batarang

[lapis dirge]

if used off stage it should be cancellable but only to make it so the batman doesnt sd using it

[green bay]

If you don't see divekick as a strong move you dont abuse it enough pal

[lapis dirge]

or he does and hes coping

[clever pollen]

Its a decent move, I just dont use it as much

[lapis dirge]

shaggy mains when you talk about rage specials

[clever pollen]

Same for grapple

Saw Dapper abuse grapple when he fought Bhands and now im trying out the grapple perk and using it more

[clever pollen]

Im just trying to educate myself

[green bay]

Yea we can cancel it so early, and the hitbox being so good (still even after nerf)

It's definitely an obnoxious move

[lapis dirge]

im fine with the move having a big uncontestable hitbox if theres actually a punish window on whiff, but as is there is none

similar to taz nado

[green bay]

I don't get why they nerfed slide to the ground rather than "splitting" the nerf between slide and divekick

[lapis dirge]

what if like

the move was still cancellable on hit

so it could still be used as a dangerous combo tool

but it isnt cancellable unless it hits

[green bay]

why would we change that tho lol

[lapis dirge]

i assumed you thought i meant remove the cancellation altogether

[green bay]

nah, just on whiff

of course removing the cancellation on hit wouldn't make sense

just erase the move at that point lol

but being able to dodge cancel (on whiff) so early is the issue

[lapis dirge]

it'd also make batman mains more careful about using it offstage

[green bay]

there is no risk divekicking

[lapis dirge]

as it is, as a garnet player i struggle to recover against batman dive kick because he can just cancel it into down air to catch my dodge

garnets dodges are kinda dookie

[green bay]

Ah yes

as Garnet it's tough

[lapis dirge]

ive resorted to rocket gauntlet camping till i can destroy batarang

[green bay]

without a disjointed upward move, its pretty much a coinflip

[lapis dirge]

i cant contest it with up air because, despite its range, it's not disjointed 😄

[green bay]

🤷‍♂️

I appreciate PFGs effort but balance wise I don't always like how they do things

Like they keep hammering on things (not talking only about Batman) that are not the main issue

So yea, you'll probably still manage to balance characters this way, but the toxic stuff will stay toxic lol

[lapis dirge]

the first thing they nerfed about wonder woman was the WHIP out of all things

[green bay]

yes 😂

[lapis dirge]

genuinely their balancing efforts are the most confusing ive seen in any game, theyre the best at dancing around the problem in the industry

[green bay]

Joker still get to have the most insane jab any close quarter character dream to have

[lapis dirge]

fun fact: theres only one di window for garnet to escape jokers combo that kills at 40, and its a 50/50 :)

so as a garnet player the game plan is just "dont get hit by jab" if you get hit by jab you just die

[green bay]

this jab doesn't make any sense since day 1

and they REFUSE to touch it

[lapis dirge]

i'd be fine with his jab if it didnt combo into dair

the most insane disjointed hitbox in the game should not be a combo starter for something that kills at 40

[green bay]

the followup is definitely the main issue, but like even the move itself is godlike

[lapis dirge]

great frame data and huge disjoint

[green bay]

framedata wise, it's exactly the same as Batman (13f startup) but get to:

• Have twice the range
• Half that range is disjointed
• It vacuum anything it touch to combo range
• The hitbox strech behind Joker
• Lead to kill or 50/50 situation mad early

There is no reason for jab2 to have so much hitstun

this should get change so bad

[lapis dirge]

i'd be fine with him keeping the combo if the only way to start it is to land dair in neutral

dair is not an easy move to land in neutral

[green bay]

its all about how you start things

I can be ok with a lot of stuff if you can't start them from Joker jab lol

I'm curious about what they will cook with the next balance patch

The 1st one was... well, the 1st one. I hope this time they understood how to approach thngs

[dusk kernel]

🍿

[undone wraith]

They’re honest trust

Dw about the fact that they do 30% and stack weakened

He needs it

[undone wraith]

Fr

Like when they nerfed Shaggy’s combos instead of touching his rage specials

They also nerfed Joker in some insignificant way, but idr what they nerfed specifically

[clever pollen]

try not to spam raged side special challenge (shaggy edition)

move knocks you way too vertical as well

[undone wraith]

Yeah it’s broken I agree

[vale forge]

What do you think about side b spam?

And nair

[lapis dirge]

neither are broken

side b has long startup and punishable whiff frames

nair is contestable

[vale forge]

That attack its super fast

Its safe when you fail it

If you dodge it

And if you dont get in

The distance and hitbox of side b will make jack get you anyway

If you dodge side b you get hit anyway

[lapis dirge]

its really not, its so slow its reactable and the whiff frames mean if he misses it (which he will if youre not being predictable) will give you plenty of time to punish

[vale forge]

Insane khockback on the throw lit killing you at low percents

[vale forge]

I lit cant punish, i dodge the side b, and then samurai jack can jab or do smth again

[vivid obsidian]

Needs another nerf

[hidden python]

Even outside of that he has a great neutral with attacks disjointed with great range. They lead to easy combos. I'm surprised the number of interactions he wins even with his feets. And his charged attacks are just ridiculous. His side b covers a good portion of the stage for a long time and I think he's invisible while doing it for the most time

[dusk kernel]

I like when batman dives and then kicks

[hearty tapir]

What are Batman's bread and butter combos?

[iron ermine]

i think jab jab neutral dodge jab jab jab

[granite kiln]

Jab > Jab > Batarang > Jab > Jab > Dtilt is a very basic combo which basically always works (might need a dodge for the jab after batarang I don't remember been a while since I played him)

[iron ermine]

depends on the distance and character

but most of the time u need it

i ve also been running a pretty weird batman build

5%, snowball collateral dmg and pugilist

[tardy gyro]

I just do batarang, fire, the speed one, and pugilist

Idk how big of a difference the speed perk makes but idk

[undone wraith]

I feel like Batman is already pretty fast

[hearty tapir]

Last stand is the best perk period anyway, only reason to run speed is if you have a soul.

[undone wraith]

True

[tardy gyro]

More

I need more

[iron ermine]

i ran collateral dmg cuz he already does weakened

[iron ermine]

tbh fire is also a pretty good choice considering i use batarang in his combos

i ll check the dmg difference

[tardy gyro]

fire is very good imo

cause batarang is used like every second lmao its integral to his gameplan

[iron ermine]

yeah

[hearty tapir]

Fair, especially with the lowered max weakened.

[iron ermine]

yeah and since he does a lot of bouncing, the dmg is great

am also using fire now

[umbral sleet]

I don't even think Batman it's broken but it's so ugly to fight against him, is basically a fight about not reading Batman based on animation, it's just a fight of trying to have luck and use your best defensive option cuz he can cancel a lot of his attacks lol

[tepid mulch]

Someone knows good batman combos

[coral girder]

bro i sometimes hate this game, iuts fun and all but that all depends on the character your playing against i just hate it when i play against someone who just spams the same move over and over and then even starts being toxic

thats why i prertty muzch quit

[clever pollen]

did you get cooked by divekick?

[lapis dirge]

you cant not get cooked by dive kick

you either run away from it or you get hit by it or whatever he throws out afterward

definition of a broken move

non-committal, spammable, unpunishable

oh and dont forget it spikes and combos!

and has high priority!

if youre not spamming it youre just not playing batman correctly

simple as that

[clever pollen]

yeah weve heard it

[lapis dirge]

you seem to always be able to hear it but are never able to refute it

[elfin mountain]

Does Batman have any weaknesses? I don't understand his counterplay beyond playing a fast character

[umbral sleet]

He's not that heavy, that's literally all

[iron ermine]

destroy his batarang and and half of his combos are gone, but still he s really strong

[coral girder]

i got cooked by jokers crowbar

aryas down attack

[clever pollen]

been using divekick more, been winning games more

we know the move is good

[tardy gyro]

U just gotta lock in smh

Take a break

People always play like 10 hrs in a row

And then complain when they feel like shi

[undone wraith]

Fr

[indigo egret]

He’s pretty light, if you get rid of Batarang armored move are a good counter, also he’s not fast enough to over form disjoints so anyone with a sword, bat, etc will probably hit first.

[coral girder]

the problem is i feel shi after one round, one joker that has more range than me and has a op crowbar and im shi

[tall marsh]

Switched from Wonder Woman to Batman. What perks do you guys use?

[iron ermine]

5%, snowball, collateral and pugilist but my build is kinda personal so u just might use Boomerang, snowball, speed and pugilist

[tardy gyro]

I use batarang, thats flammable, speed, pugilist

[paper lynx]

why is up special so broken

[sturdy beacon]

I use batarang, flammable, 2fast2block, and pugilist

[tardy gyro]

Its ur average uppercut lol whats broken abt it

[tardy gyro]

Average as in its not something special

Its a punch

What are we crying abt here exactly

Batman has much more broken things

Oh no the fully charged uppercut rung me out at 100 its broken

[undone wraith]

I think he meant aerial up b

[tardy gyro]

Lmao

Maybe

[worldly coyote]

Weakened stacks go brrr.

I played a lot of batman recently, in my personal experience, he doesn't relies a lot in hitstun for pulling some sick combos. Is that right?

And btw the batarang perk is still good or a little bit unnecessary?

[iron ermine]

tbh i use 5%

for the combos i do

[snow tide]

Is playing a passive batman style toxic or sum, ppl been t-bagging just because i don't play stupidly aggressive?

[tardy gyro]

Idk 5% can be better but I still use it just cause yk its a free full weakened most of the time

[tardy gyro]

Ppl are just like that lmao

[real yacht]

when you do jab x2 --> batarang if they dodge it, the batarang hits them and it counts as coming back

[tardy gyro]

yeah

I almost always have 3 weakned on em

[jade perch]

all yall suck compared to me on batman ion wanna hear it

[loud sky]

once u play the character more you'll realize that batman might be one of the few characters that actually need more than 3 perk setups because of the range of his difficult matchups

u can use 5% snowball speed and puglist if u dont care about optimization tho

[tardy gyro]

Why is marvin complaining about batman 💀

Talkin bout infernal gadgets like hes not busting out a gazillion projectiles

[urban wraith]

This usually works well for me but certain characters are incredibly tough

Been looking for a build against Superman and t+j. I seem to struggle against them the most

[loud sky]

Baterang perk snowball armor break dash attack and electricity or pugilist

Use ur slide to break his armor but remember slide has a ton of whiff lag so they try to bait out ur slide with dair punish

So be smart before throwing it out

[turbid barn]

Alright Batman mains, what do you all think is Batman's best and worst move, and why do you think that specific move is his best or worst?

[turbid barn]

Yall fighting crime?

[lament marsh]

Crime never sleeps

[lament marsh]

best are slide/divekick cuz they start the best combos

and the worst one is prob the punch when batarang is on cooldown

[tardy gyro]

divekick because divekick

and side air

because side air

worst move is

idk

I guess the punch on batarang cooldown

but

its better than having nothing like before

hardly a move tbh

[turbid barn]

Is divekick his Aerial Down Special?

[turbid barn]

^

[green bay]

On God it's a debuff to have this move

It has absolutely no utility whatsoever, being grounded or aerial you always have a better option for any situation

All this move does is making you whiff something when you try using batarang but didn't see it was on CD

making you at risk of being whiff punished (eventually)

It's nothing really, I'm nitpicking. But if I could I swear I would disable this move

[turbid barn]

Are slidekick and divekick the same move? Or is one the dash attack and one the down aerial special?

[green bay]

slide is the move where you slide

divekick is the dived kick

no subtility here

[turbid barn]

So Slide Kick and Crashing Justice

[green bay]

You got it !

[turbid barn]

Alrighty, was just a bit confused lol

[green bay]

MVS terminologies can be a bit confusing at times yea

[tardy gyro]

yes

[tardy gyro]

nah I mean its helped sometimes but its just a nothing burger of a move

doesnt rly put u at a disadvantage but doesnt place u at an advantage either

[turbid barn]

I tried it out in training mode. That move truly is dogwater. Didn't kill shaggy at 400% across the stage

[green bay]

There is a total of 0 (zero) situation where this move lead to a better outcome than using sair/jab/dtilt/slide (depending on context)

The framedata of craprang is bad, no damage, doesn't combo into anything, doesn't kill, doesn't set you up for an advantageous situation

Nothing

I already voiced that long ago and I stayed open for someone to prove me we could do something with it, cause I sure tried

The move looks good lowkey, so I wanted for it to have at least a niche use

But there is just nothing we can do with it unless we are willing to play suboptimal lol

[tardy gyro]

Im sayin yeah the move sucks

but its better than having nothing

cause sometimes when I tried to use rang and it was on cooldown it just did nothing cus I forgot

now

if I use it out of cooldown

sometimes itll decrease the pressure placed on me

like I use it accidentally lmao

never on purpose

but id rather a hit than nothing and then they carry out a combo on me

its more defense than offense

it does nothing offensively yeah but its just a get away tool

[turbid barn]

You can dodge cancel any move dude

[tardy gyro]

bro like

skibidi ohio rizz gyatt sigma

am i right

[turbid barn]

get out.

1. why did you delete your previous message? 2. yes you can. dodge cancelling can be done with anyone and any move.

i do it everyday. it's the only thing that helps jason get up to speed with everyone else

that's not dodge cancelling. dodge cancelling is cancelling your dodge prematurely, keeping the dodge momentum while throwing out a move.

[turbid barn]

in fighting games, instead of waiting for full animations, some moves can cancel animation to do other things. think like spamming down tilt in smash. some character animations never complete because you interupt it with another down tilt

i forget the exact name for it tho

[iron ermine]

divekick and yeah batarang on cooldown