Arya Stark

[twilit ingot]

Prove me I'm wrong then. Go in the lab and cancel out of downtilt

[gaunt kite]

Lil bro why would u cancel out of a 14 whiff frame move?????

Btw its a dash attack that costs one dodge

Still has pretty small end lag

[twilit ingot]

Her dash attack even fails to connect the last hit at time and the end lag is so Long the enemy can get a punish attack on hit

[gaunt kite]

Oh wow her only punishable move

Not to say dash attack is also busted

[twilit ingot]

I mean I could run you through more but saying arya has no whiff frames is just plain ignorance or lying

Her down tilt is tough to deal with I'll admit, but the whiff frames are not the issue on that move

Maybe play arya and identify what's actually the problem

[gaunt kite]

I dont feel like it srry

She is getting super nerfed

Next patch

Whats the point??

At least she can enjoy one last day

[twilit ingot]

Ok sound good Lil bro.

[boreal jacinth]

what perks do y’all use for arya?

[winged rain]

I run last stand snowball airwalker and purgelist

Her signature perks are mostly useless

[polar jetty]

Don’t use her it’s a trap

[winged rain]

How can you have buff arya in your name and say don't play her 😭

Bro plays both sides

[polar jetty]

Nah I told him don’t use her to she gets buff cuz she’s weak rn

[winged rain]

oh

Real

[polar jetty]

Yah she’s bottom 8 rn

[winged rain]

Fr

That's what we'll say tomorrow

[polar jetty]

What’s happening tomorrow

[vital shard]

Patch notes

Mid season

[twilit ingot]

arya is going likely get gutted and then the same people that complained are going to keep complaining

[polar jetty]

I thought that was the 20th

Nah I’ve seen the leaks she’s getting a buff

[vital shard]

Depends how gutted

If upspecial hitstun gets gutted than I garauntee you nobody’s gonna complain 😭

[twilit ingot]

They might but considering how much of a struggle they have had with that move in the past, I kinda doubt they will go that direction. But we will see tomorrow

[polar jetty]

Nah she’s getting buffed

U gotta believe

[twilit ingot]

you need to downplay her harder and maybe she will get buffs

[winged rain]

its gonna be more

i know Dair is getting Nerfed

prob Sair is

[polar jetty]

No one is downplaying her she’s jsut that that

[winged rain]

💀

[twilit ingot]

like I said you need to be the torch that carries her to victory. arya buffs are in your hands

[polar jetty]

Ight bet let me cook

[upper comet]

That up b hitstun is mad crazy

U can’t defend that

And I’m sorry that your character is light?

There are other light characters too?

[twilit ingot]

She is the tied with the lightest

[upper comet]

So?

What’s the problem with that

[twilit ingot]

Its a drawback

[upper comet]

You already have enough to kill

The only problem is that you are light

But other characters are light too

Her being light but having good moves is a good way to balance

Now remove instant up b and I’m fine

That 0 to death is kinda crazy just like Finn

Also reduce that hit stun 💀

I can get married while in that hitstun

[twilit ingot]

Did I defend the 0 to death?

[upper comet]

Yes you tried to defend it by saying she’s the lightest

You tried to run away from the thing i was talking about

By saying she is the lightest

anyway I wanna say good luck on tomorrow cus up b hitstun ain’t gonna be here anymore

[twilit ingot]

Well that's just a plain lie. I really don't care to talk about it if you just want to make stuff up. I never said the 0 to death is fine because she's the lightest

[upper comet]

You tried to run away

You didn’t even respond to my thing I said

[upper comet]

.

U were literally trying to get the conversation to head into another way were it’s more favorable for you

[twilit ingot]

Show me exactly where I said the 0 to death is fine

[upper comet]

Show me exactly where you said that the 0 to death wasent fine

[twilit ingot]

Read this thread. I talked about it at lengths.

[upper comet]

Then why wouldn’t you respond?

It dosent hurt to repeat it?

[twilit ingot]

If you don't want to go back and look at what I said and strawman me into an argument that 0 to deaths are fine because she's the lightest, then I don't want to chat with you. I'm not dealing with liars

[upper comet]

😭🙏 bros who do you think you are

Like what

[twilit ingot]

Who are you? Don't make stuff up.

[upper comet]

Who are you? Don't make stuff up.

[twilit ingot]

You literally said that I was making an argument for 0 to deaths.

You lied end of story

[upper comet]

Okay that’s a lie right there

I said that you were defending it by not responding to me

[gaunt kite]

Why u guys even arguing in 1 day Arya is getting super nerfed and Morty buffed 😎

[upper comet]

W

[twilit ingot]

This right here... now stop the b.s.

[upper comet]

.

You stop the bs

[gaunt kite]

Fr tho thats basically ur only argument, "she is the lightest"

[twilit ingot]

You literally said I was defending it because she's the lightest. I never made that argument

[upper comet]

Your only response was

She’s the lightest

You didn’t elaborate further than that

[twilit ingot]

Because it's a fact. 0 to deaths were not even mentioned yet

[upper comet]

Why did I say the up b hit stun then

I was trying to get in the 0 to death conversation

[upper comet]

Anyways he’s right tho

I can’t imagine her getting a buff anytime soon

[twilit ingot]

Well I don't get why you just assumed I was ok with it

I want it nerfed too just not the way you do

[upper comet]

Anyway nerfs coming

Tomorrows the big day

[twilit ingot]

You want to nerf it in a way that makes her way weaker beyond just the zero to death. I stated multiple times today that they should either give repeating moves a lock out that can't be shorten with jump or dodge, or add frames before jump or dodge and be done after hit stun

[upper comet]

Nah bruh the hit stun needs to be reduced

There’s no way in hell that hit stun is fair

She freezes the player for too much time

[twilit ingot]

Well you didn't play beta probably. I did play arya when she didn't have enough hit stun frames it makes her upspecial literally useless

[upper comet]

She charged it too much 😭🙏

Also Arya falls out of combos

So maybe that’s the reason too

I read wrong

Lmao

[twilit ingot]

She still dying at 80 to basically everyone

[upper comet]

I mean

[gaunt kite]

Bro its not abt msking it useless, its to make it so she cant charge half of side air

[upper comet]

That’s what you expect from the lightes character

It’s balanced with the kit she has

[gaunt kite]

And she still the top 1 char

[upper comet]

Top 3

[twilit ingot]

Cool we agree then

[upper comet]

I do

[gaunt kite]

Her moves have almost no end lag tho

[twilit ingot]

Except she does need lock out frames on upspecial

[upper comet]

Just fix up b hitstun and her hit boxes

[upper comet]

Beacuse she falls out of combos too fast

She is the only character who can do that 😭

[twilit ingot]

That has a lot to do with her hit animations. They could probably just change those if it was really a problem

[upper comet]

Nah they just change her hurtboxes

She will be fine

Maybe tweak the animations

If needed

Like I don’t want this character to be bad by any means

[twilit ingot]

The hurt boxes are working fine it's the weird animation she does that makes her fall out

[upper comet]

It’s just that sometimes something is too much

[twilit ingot]

She looks like she's dodging matrix bullets or something when she's hit sometimes

[upper comet]

Not even agent smith can do that

😭🙏

He’s the matrix guy

Also I ain’t gonna lie

That laughing emote

Is toxic

[twilit ingot]

It's fine I know she's getting nerfed tomorrow. I'm sure people are still going to cry about her after too. They are going to gloat then cry

[upper comet]

Hope she dosent get gutted to much

[twilit ingot]

Shes a pure melee champ that's super light. It really doesn't take much to make her trash tier. Happened in beta a few times

[tropic willow]

I hope she will slip to B tier range

She was ther for mayby 2 PATCHES
Looking at both beta and full release

And once she was d tier
When they destroyed her every combo

[twilit ingot]

Lol sure. You don't remember when nothing could follow up after upspecial then

With taz trig plus the insane knockback they gave it. You basically had to do a fast read, dodge attack and even then you might still not hit them

Yeah I don't mind her being middle of the pack so long as she's at least playable

[tropic willow]

All i Ask for is more whiff time on misses
And lower stun time on up b

Its not that much
She can have the start ups, but holy, just make her punishable for mistakes

So im not punished for trying to punish

[twilit ingot]

Sounds like me when I'm trying to fight a jack

[tropic willow]

Jack need nerf on Jab and spin

ESPECIALY JAB
and mayby empowered side B

Rest is ok
And no
His whiff times are not even close to aryas. I. Terms how short they arw

[twilit ingot]

Well the people at pfg have the frame data. So if it's really that bad then sure. But she isn't zoning, she doesn't have good map control, her going for a trade is a bigger risk due to her weight. She doesn't have the range of jack but she does get more off a successful attack. But it doesn't really matter. Pfg will decide if arya is playable or not tomorrow

[tropic willow]

You keep talking about being lightweight like its only a bad thing.
With this you got 2 x smaller hitbox than most characters.
Its probably worth even more than weight.

About, risk. You literaly have move that have 0 risk bcs you have build in dodge in it. Only this character have it.

[twilit ingot]

While it's not an easy move to deal with, the dodge doesn't make it risk free. There are frames of vulnerability and tons of end lag frames. Sure it can combo at low percents but after like 20% all you are getting from the move is 9-10%. It doesn't kill most characters till pretty late. Realistically you have to go for whiff punishes with Jab to do well with arya.

[vital shard]

Gizmo is one of the best characters rn

And he’s also light

Light being used as an argument should only be applied when the character isnt completely overturned like Harley

Light can be a good thing and a bad thing because you can escape weight related combos but at the cost of dying a couple % earlier than mid weights

[tropic willow]

Even if you exclude the roll
Only a bit risky move you have is jab. Bcs you need to be close. But its fastest move in the game so sudently its not so risky

[twilit ingot]

It's outraged by a lot of jabs. It is more risky than you think. The frame data is good I admit. But the distance isn't absurd

[tropic willow]

Ye
But every dodge over attack end up in free punish

[vital shard]

If she had normal jab distance she would the #1 and #2 would never be close

[twilit ingot]

I didn't say she should have a longer jab though. I'm just saying her jab isn't free

[tropic willow]

And if you dodge arya jab somehow
She still will just dodge punish
Bcs whiff does not exist

[vital shard]

If everyone had reasonable whiff endlag, comp game would be so much better.

[vital shard]

Imagine a game where you opponent can literally attack facing the other direction and you can barely punish them 🤦‍♂️

[upper comet]

I came back to chaos

Again

[upper comet]

This is true right here

[twilit ingot]

I just went to the lab. Her jab 1 has basically the same same whiff frames as garnet jab 1.

[upper comet]

Worst jab in the game is Morty

Homie got a hurtbox before his hit box on his jab

Absolutely crazy

Jab jab jab isn’t true

[twilit ingot]

Arya has a quite a bit if lock out if she does jab 2. So I'll only check morty's jab 1

[upper comet]

Morty’s jab 1 first frame is a hurtbox

It comes out so late

[twilit ingot]

Oh yeah morty's is actually bad

[upper comet]

And then people complain about the character being campy

If I don’t have the options to fight

What can I do?

The only reason why people use dirt is because it dosent take 50 years to come out

[twilit ingot]

But this is also on a character designed to be champy. It wouldn't make sense to say morty deserves the same frame data on jab ad arya

[upper comet]

The whiff on dirt is fantastic

[tropic willow]

Its not
I labed it too
Garnet animation cames fast but for some reason it hits few frames later than animation

[upper comet]

I love that

But give me something to work with on his move set

His sair dosent connect

Anymore 😭🙏

They keep killing combos that isn’t dirt into up air

[tropic willow]

+missing garnet jab make you stuck in animation for like hour, dealing less damage than aryas

[vital shard]

I love the stripe vs Morty match up 😃

[upper comet]

Are you sure it isn’t beacuse it has a hurtbox before the hit box

[twilit ingot]

Yeah garnet does seem to hit slower but the whiff frames difference is negligible which was the topic

[upper comet]

I’m thinking it’s that beacuse it’s the same with Morty’s jab

[tropic willow]

Bro
Im stuck in animation for 3 times longer AND have whiff time

Im getting punished every time i miss it

[twilit ingot]

Maybe it feels slower because over garnet is more committed. She has longer active frames

[upper comet]

We need a hit box toggle in traning mode

For the love of god

[tropic willow]

Yea

Give me actual frame data

Of characters

So i could rant people with actual data

[upper comet]

I hate how it’s a guessing game when you hit

[twilit ingot]

But the moment that aryas active hit frames are done and garnet are done. That I literally don't feel a difference. At most she has like 3 extra frames

[upper comet]

I want jab nerfed on all characters

[tropic willow]

Tbf im not using jab almost at all

And never as opener

Bcs its terrible

My opener is sair

That is actualy good move

[upper comet]

This game was designed to have the opener move as sair

This game was much floatier in beta

[twilit ingot]

You should test garnet sair whiff frames to aryas

[upper comet]

And so it would make sense that sair was faster than the jabs

[twilit ingot]

Arya has Like 5 times as much whiff frames

[tropic willow]

It can be close, but it have even worst range and coverage, bcs it only covers forward

Not forward, 45 degree and abov

[upper comet]

Btw it’s forward with a w

Not haiting btw

[twilit ingot]

Garnet has like zero whiff on sair, arya literally touches the ground before she can do another action

[tropic willow]

Grammar is not my strong side.
Its my second lang 😭

[upper comet]

It’s okay lmao

It shows that you are good beacuse your not using a translator

[tropic willow]

As i said
This is good move
But i have much worst, coverage and doesnt have free 40 damage follow up from it

• its part of my hitbox, while aryas sword is not

[twilit ingot]

Well one of your biggest complaints is arya having no whiff punish windows and so far garnet is either comparable or better to every move I've test so far. Her up air down air are about the same. Nair she has way less whiff

[upper comet]

Nah

You don’t talk man aryas top 3

While garnet is b tier I think

Maybe c

[vital shard]

Nahh

[tropic willow]

People tell she is C
Im saying she is low B

Bcs elbow IS broken move and i will not downplay it

[vital shard]

People who are saying she is low c is from garnets own channel 💀💀

[twilit ingot]

The point is yall want whiff punish as a nerf. Well now I'm testing the whiff punish. I personally think she has some the the most whiff frames in the game

[upper comet]

I absolutely respect every garnet main I fight

[upper comet]

💀

That is just not true

[tropic willow]

After fight with me you would change opinion

[silver lichen]

Bro got jokes

[tropic willow]

Bcs i have very infuriating gameplay

[vital shard]

I agree

[upper comet]

I mean that’s still good

[vital shard]

Side special ahh

[upper comet]

I respect garnets for their efforts

I respect people when they actually try and they don’t use overpowered characters

[tropic willow]

Side B is funny move
Ngl xD

[vital shard]

No sideB no tournament

[tropic willow]

Yep

[vital shard]

Nah I’m playing you did some good as moves on me when we played

I remember you hit me with upspecial and dash attack

[twilit ingot]

For ground moves arya and garnet were about the same whiff frames. Arya had more whiff on down tilt but she's mobile so i can see why that is harder to punish

[upper comet]

Have y’all noticed how every new characters side b is so good for no reason?

[vital shard]

Basically covering the air and the ground I won’t forget that move

[upper comet]

They don’t know how to actually design characters no more

[vital shard]

Jake

[twilit ingot]

Ok garnet definitely has more whiff on dash attack

[upper comet]

Down tilt was just added this update

[vital shard]

Velma Infact

[tropic willow]

Elbow is a bit too good
I would like to transfer power from it to other moves

[upper comet]

I meant side special

[vital shard]

Jake side special isn’t that good neither is Velma’s

[upper comet]

I meant new characters like season 1 and 2 side specials

[vital shard]

Oh I misread mb

[tropic willow]

Dash attack is probably the only move that garnet have objectivly better than arya
But you cover it with that its 50/50 that you will use it or dtilt

[upper comet]

Np

[twilit ingot]

Aryas dash has less whiff punish but I agree that garnets dash is better. Lots of start up for dash on arya and people fall out randomly

[tropic willow]

I still need to test something about dash attack
Bcs i once blocked the saw stripe saw
So i need to test if its bug
Or it block projectiles

[twilit ingot]

So I dunno adding whiff frames seems like the weird way to nerf her. There are so many characters with zero commitment but arya isn't one

It's probably the ptsd from downtilt from last patch

[vital shard]

Stripes saw can be hit

[tropic willow]

You dont seems to understand what makes this whiff so unbarable.

Its moves without whiff on moves that have almost 0 animation times. These are single strike that end up fast and have no end lag

[twilit ingot]

I mean single strikes mean less active hit frames. It's a trade off. Do you just want arya to have less active hit frames and also get punished with more whiff?

I don't know if you see where I'm coming from. I've heard whiff frames as a nerf a lot today but I just test her whiff against garnet and they were mostly comparable. If the issue is overall commitment to moves then that's a completely different ask

But it seems weird that arya should be gimped even harder than others for having less active hit frames

[tropic willow]

Active frames are literaly useless in thing like jab. Especialy in 1s
Its not big enough or long enough to catch you if you dodge
And it doesnt have gravity pull of taz tornado to make up for it

[twilit ingot]

Well i don't know if they are completely useless. I certainly don't prefer them, but then I decided to play a character with moves I enjoy.

[tropic willow]

I enjoy garnet too
That's why im playing her.
She is probably better than people think and they may be suprised if buffs will be huge.

[twilit ingot]

Depends on what they do. I wouldn't be surprised if they buff her since they listen to public opinion so much. Realistically I'd rather they just get rid of zero to deaths first and loops before doing other balance changes. But I kind of doubt they will even remove all the loops and 0 to deaths tomorrow

[gaunt kite]

Even without her 0 to death

Arya still op

🙂

[icy lion]

imagine saying arya is broken cause of her kit

[tropic willow]

🙃

[icy lion]

she has just some mu's that are not fair for opponent thats all

if she was best character in the game she would be winning every tourney

[tropic willow]

🙃

[grave mesa]

Real

I can't explain how but they some Finn player thought the whiff punishing, mobile charging, combo starting, anti-airing, kill confirming, guess for your life enabling. Do your taxes and walk your dog up attack was fine.

Because it killed at 130%

Imma keep it a buck das sounds mad boring.
I mean this respectively this game's neutral is not interesting enough to make having short strings more fun.
That's probably the reason why characters Arya even exist. high flying air combos have been sick since the dawn of time (Or at least after X-Men COTA dropped)

Not saying short combos are inherently a bad idea.
It's just games like Street Fighter have interactive mechanics on both defense, and offense (Parrying in SF3, Focus in 4, V-system in 5, Drive Gauge in 6 a multi-use super meter in all of them.) to keep the player engaged with curated decision making that has combos that are shorter intentionally so you can get back to the engaging part sooner.

MVS doesn't have anything like that until you play 2s which is a format where loops & extended strings are already notably harder to pull out reliably.
Getting interuppted just happens way more often in those situations.

[modern spoke]

How would yall rework Arya

[winged rain]

Holy yap session

[twilit ingot]

Change to jab is pretty brutal for arya.

[polar jetty]

Who ordered a yappuccino

[gaunt kite]

Yess thank god

[gaunt kite]

No, she is the best character and is always placed in/above top 5 in the tourneys

Dude is writing an essay for me, I'm scared

[twilit ingot]

A lot of good aryas already just whiff punish but having it not able to trade is kinda brutal. It just means that aryas are going to use more downtilts, neutral attacks and uptilts to trade. If you play arya enough you already know how to do pure whiff punishes

[gaunt kite]

Anyways Morty buffs

[twilit ingot]

You'll still struggle against arya as morty if downtilt stays untouch and with these changes I would be surprised if they nerfed melee characters more

[gaunt kite]

Idk man, Morty would also change a lot, dirt can be punished like hell now they can just wave dash u when u use it, he is problably getting some changes next patch to make him a more close range character

[twilit ingot]

The wave dash was already in the game. You just get your grounded dodge distance when you are about to hit the ground. I could already do the same long dodge against morty with a grounded dodge

[gaunt kite]

But now u can input an attack

[twilit ingot]

You can do that right now too

[gaunt kite]

Idk man they changed smth ok

[silver lichen]

Dodge canceling has always been a thing

[twilit ingot]

This is tech that void found weeks ago they are just bringing it to peoples attention and they made it slightly easier

[icy lion]

no

check last na tourneys

[gaunt kite]

Not bcs she is top 1 she needs to win every tournament bru

Is ur argument really that weak

Arya is busted

That is a fact

[icy lion]

thats what im saying she has some unwinable mu

not including 0 to death

[gaunt kite]

Every character has tho

Does not mean they dont need nerfs

[twilit ingot]

Sveet your arya is amazing dude. Bickering aside you have insane skill at platformers.

[winged rain]

Who won the last forstverse in 1s top 8

Cause no aryas placed top 8

Also sveet is the no 1 arya in 1s and 2s 💀

I think he'd know competitively how well arya is doing

[twilit ingot]

Yeah if sveet says arya has unwinnable match ups I would take his word for it.

[icy lion]

i didnt mean that

i mean that some charaters have unwinable mu vs arya

thats her problem

she has not single unwinable matchup atm

but she has some tuff ones

i think the 0 to death should be taken from her

and i have no idea how they want to nerf her

[twilit ingot]

Oh gotcha. Well I agree the 0 to death is an issue. I just don't want her gutted to uselessness

[icy lion]

also the dodge jump up b is not only 0 to death

she has 1 more

but not many people know about it

also its di-able but its not that obvious di

and doesnt work on every char

same as current 0 to death

but its pretty simmilar

[twilit ingot]

I know if you land a dair then upspecial you can jump after upspecial and it works too.

[icy lion]

yeah thats what im talking about

it works on half of the cast aswell

and its pretty strong

[twilit ingot]

Yeah it is. If I can land it I know it's too strong haha

[icy lion]

yeah you can kill with up special

uo dont even have to up air

but i think people are blind saying arya needs nerf the most

like she needs a nerf but look at t&j or gizmo

especially t&j

he can 0 to death and its not di-able

but not that much people compain about it

[twilit ingot]

I personally think tnj is the best in the game right now. But maybe tomorrow it will change

[icy lion]

cause they are not playing at level high enough to fight t&j that will 0 to death you

[twilit ingot]

Arya doesn't control space like tnj or gizmo either

[icy lion]

if they wont nerf the loop its over

but t&j haz tuff mu aswell as arya

for example steven

he also is in good position

with shaggy

[twilit ingot]

I think characters that are good at punishing with aerials are going to be really good with the jab change

[icy lion]

yeah we are gonna know after the patch notes what charaters will be top tier

i just hope they wont make arya unplayable so i wont have to switch from her

o really like her gameplay

you have to space out really well

[twilit ingot]

They have done before to her in beta. She has definitely had unplayable patches

[icy lion]

yeah thats true i hope they wont do the same thing again cause i dont want to switch

[twilit ingot]

Same though I'm gonna take a break for school. But I'll try to put your stream on in the background if I catch you

[icy lion]

yeah np apprecie it but i dont stream that much cause the game gets me bored too fast

also in 2 days im going on vacations so i wont be playing for a week

[twilit ingot]

Oh cool. Enjoy your vacation.

[icy lion]

ty man

☺️

[twilit ingot]

It was dope chatting with you. I'm giving you my prime. Have a good one!

[icy lion]

tysm you gave me motivation to stream tommorow before vacations have a good one aswell ❤️

[twilit ingot]

Ok I'll check it if i can. Might be in class but regardless others will enjoy

[icy lion]

looking forward to see you

[gaunt kite]

Ohhh now i get what u mean

Anyways Arya nerfs one day away

[polar jetty]

Nah they finna buff arya trust

[glossy thistle]

Tf did i do

I play mf reindog

[polar jetty]

Bro caught the most random stray😭🙏🏾

[winged rain]

Say your prays 🙏

[vital shard]

Holy yap

There’s a reason ground bounce is gutting a bunch of characters combos

Marvins long combo game is gone
Stripes too
LeBron’s aswell
And many more

Your opinion doesn’t matter, if numerous characters can start a 50%+ from hitting a jab

Long combos is just unfair as a whole

[vital shard]

Also the reason jab has less priority because of its strings that can lead into high % and kill confirms

[grave mesa]

People were getting with TODs off bounces loops.
Most notably Supes, T&J, & Steven.
Of course something had to be done cause dying in one hit isn't fun.

[grave mesa]

Multiple characters can still hit 50% without more than one ground bounce.
Jabs are just broken like that.

But I think I misunderstood your issue.
Are you more bothered by the impact of the combo rather than how long it takes?

[craggy depot]

I'm actually happy they changed sair, it was unfair to get killed at 60% fr

[grave mesa]

We are so back.

But I won't lie that confirm felt pretty good to hit.

Rest in power.

Rest in overpowered. 🫡

[winged rain]

Regardless of her nerfs

People like frostea will still cry about her

[jovial delta]

Hows arya this patch?

Im at work so i can’t play her

[quasi coral]

Arya

General
– Head hurtbox size increased; will fix certain projectiles whiffing versus Arya on the ground
Dodge Land

• Fixed Arya’s neutral dodge playing the wrong animation
  Ground Neutral Attack
  – Hitbox active duration reduced 2 frames

• Forward movement speed increased slightly; distance unchanged
  Air Side Attack
  – Charge knockback multiplier reduced to 1.25 from 1.6
  Air Down Attack
  – Repeat-move lockout increased to 20 frames from 8 frames
  Air/Ground Up Special
  – Repeat-move lockout increased to 20 frames from 15 frames

I'm sure they did nerfed this

[gaunt kite]

Wow these nerfs didnt change anything at all

[winged rain]

Bruh

Sair doesn't kill early

Please stop coping

[ancient crown]

Double up special is dead too xD

[tropic willow]

She will not kill heavy character at 100 from middle

Stfu pls
You knew you played best character in the game that have(had) toxic gameplay

[winged rain]

🤓

You're still the guy who called people who played a character sub human

Touch grass

[tropic willow]

Ok ok
I will enjoy my buffs and system changes

[winged rain]

An say people are gas lighting you once you can't defend your points

[tropic willow]

I defend it each time

And i probably have people there who can tell you i was right in most cases.

[west light]

None of these nerfs seem that terrible to be honest besides maybe the sair change. Does anybody know when it kills now? It's by far Arya's most reliable kill confirm so if it needs like 130%+, it would be a pretty brutal change.

[twilit ingot]

Whoa my prediction about arya getting nerfed and people still crying about her came true. What a shock.

[winged rain]

120

Is when you can kill a mid range character

Sair won't kill early

I couldn't kill shaggy with up special sair at 120

She's probably A tier rn

Imo

If you still wanna complain about arya need I remind you she's meant to be a combo character

She's a bait and punish character

You can't truly take too much from her

Without her not being viable

Just cause morty got a bunch of nerfs doesn't mean arya needs it

[ancient crown]

Disappointing, I wanted her to be Velma tier

[winged rain]

lmao Zign you aren't helping

[ancient crown]

XD

Sorry couldn't help myself

[mellow sorrel]

I havent played Arya or gone against Arya how is she this patch

[gaunt kite]

She could get more nerfs, i didnt run into one but Arya nerfs are cool

[vital shard]

Dude wants every character gutted. But I agree more nerfs

I thought she was getting a upspecial hitstun nerf

[mellow sorrel]

Can she still do the upsecial tod

[vital shard]

Nah

[twilit ingot]

It was going to be a nerf on sair or hit stun. They choose the option that keeps her combo game. Upspecial would be trash with a hitstun nerf and they knew that from beta already.

[vital shard]

It’s so annoying they did that

I would atleast appreciate dodge window instead

[twilit ingot]

Wouldn't make sense based on the design of the move. Upspecial has a fixed knockback. It will never kill. That means it's a combo tool. You can still di so there is counter play already. If you could di and dodge before their next hit the move does nothing

[vital shard]

Yea has di and nair you have enough time to react and get a hit

I was mostly referring to up special dodge upspecial and upair

I don’t think upspecial dodge up uair should be here even when it is diable

[twilit ingot]

I haven't had a chance to play. I was going to test if that was fixed or not. Hoping that it's no longer true

[vital shard]

I can’t even play at all for the next 2 weeks 😭

I gotta take peoples word about the patch

[twilit ingot]

I don't see why this is a problem though. That's just an arya reading a di

[vital shard]

If the up deadzone wasn’t so close maybe i would agree

I wouldn’t even call it reading atp

All up special Di is reactable

[twilit ingot]

She isn't killing with upair after upspecial until later percents unless she caught you at the blast zone and if that's the case then the counter play to it already passed

[vital shard]

I would say midway between ground and deadzone she can kill with it

Based on what I saw sveet do

[twilit ingot]

Not sure why that's a problem. Most characters in the game kill super early if they catch you will a move mid way and aryas upspecial is way more telegraphed than other attacks that do it and needs a read after to kill.

I don't understand why arya should be special and not be rewarded with a kill for catching a character close to a blast zone

[gaunt kite]

Yap yap yap

[vital shard]

Most is a drag, top tier glazing

[gaunt kite]

Arya still top 3 characters

[vital shard]

Delete that

10 paragraphs incoming

[gaunt kite]

Lol

They gonna say that now that she doesnt kill at 60 she is worse than velma

[twilit ingot]

She got substantial nerfs so not sure if she is top tier or not anymore. Been busy today.

[twilit ingot]

I know you love your strawmans

[vital shard]

Velma kills at 50

[gaunt kite]

So

Velma nerf

[vital shard]

#clips message they made the downspecial wayy to good

[vital shard]

Yea true

[twilit ingot]

Isn't that side special? Down special is the camera shot. Either way looks like ladder combos going to ruin people's day 1 way or another

[vital shard]

Nah side specials is where she uses book as some sort of recovery

Up special is the camera shot

[vital shard]

It’s even worse kills at 10 #combos message but I’m in denial cause it’s too messed up for PFG to do

[twilit ingot]

This looks pretty easy to pull off. Velma is going to be a menace. I think it's cool she has a combo but it's laddering too well

Add a other character to the list that will kill early if they catch you mid way to the blast zone

[vital shard]

“Too well” that shi is broken

Remove downspecial into downspecial and it would be fine

They should give her lockout like Aryas upspecial fix

[vital shard]

Touche

[twilit ingot]

I mean. I thought a universal lock out should be on all moves to prevent some loops. So I definitely agree

[vital shard]

Yea I don’t know why they kept it only to Arya

[twilit ingot]

She was just the biggest offender. Instead we got auto tech or whatever which doesn't even address loops that don't bounce

[vital shard]

Yea that sucks

Instead they gutting combo characters like LeBron who rely on ground bounce

[twilit ingot]

But I think they addressed Rick and he's the only looper I can think of that didn't need a bounce. I'm sure there were more

[vital shard]

Take one for the team

[vital shard]

Batman can do jab 2x iad sair 3 times

I didn’t know Rick had a loop

[twilit ingot]

He could jab indefinitely with portal up. He used portal to cancel animation and go into another jab loop

[vital shard]

Bruh wtf

[twilit ingot]

I don't have a clip but if you want to see it that YouTube veriflie or whatever was abusing it all the time

I imagine it's patched out with all those Rick changes though

[vital shard]

Oh and reindog can do jab iAd sair 3 times aswell #clips message only did two in game

But they arent so broken as the one you are describing

[vital shard]

Yea let me check it out

[twilit ingot]

Yeah man. I'm gonna start heading home. Hopefully you don't miss too much chaos with your break. Peace

[vital shard]

#combos message

That is a classified as an exploit in my book 💀💀💀

Ofcourse veriflie abusing this 😭

[molten viper]

does it still work with rick jab1 nerf?

[nocturne spire]

Does anyone feel like she’s slower or is it just me

Also another thing I know they increased her head hurtbox which is good but whenever she does her roll attack everything hits me which is a little annoying because it makes it hard to use that move

[manic eagle]

added more frames to some moves

im still cookim with her tho

[whole willow]

same hahahhaa but ig its fine

i mean the main issue was that because the hitstun was so long you could charge sair and deal absurd knockback

and now sair is more balanced so works out at the end

i still think shes good

[winged rain]

So we can get off the arya hate train?

[burnt dome]

how do i kill with arya on high percent

[twilit ingot]

You can always jab neutral attack. It's a true combo that kill most medium characters at 140. But her bread and butter combos will work eventually.

[burnt dome]

her up b doesn't kill?

(though i do notice up b up air works)

[twilit ingot]

Up b won't kill unless you hit them them with it literally in the blast zone, but the follow up attack will get them.

[winged rain]

It won't kill

I've hit up special on someone at 300%

You can push someone into the blastzone with it

But you gotta be on the blastzons

[burnt dome]

yeah i mean like not from ground, about halfway top

[winged rain]

Not even

It'll kill on what you do after up special

It's a combo tool

Not a kill tool

[west light]

Usually jab, up special, sair is the best kill tool for Arya imo.

[winged rain]

Not anymore

Jab face steal jab neutral attack

Kills earlier than that

[west light]

Really? Does it need to be charged at all?

[winged rain]

No

It'll kill around 110 earliest

[twilit ingot]

Kinda sad her best kill move is way less flashy now.

[winged rain]

Ngl she's the most balanced right now

[west light]

Was airwalker nerfed in some way? I feel like I'm landing the jab after platform way less consistently since the patch even against characters that were really consistent before. But I didn't see anything in the patch notes that would suggest that so I'm not sure if I'm just imagining it.

[narrow crypt]

That slide move that give a free dodge and attack???? no sir

[boreal jacinth]

who’s broken in 1v1s rn?

[grave mesa]

True.
Happens to the best of us tho.

[grave mesa]

Does Arya get more hitstun off a back-stab or just more damage?

[ancient crown]

Her combo game is more flashy

Sair wasn't really that flashy

[ancient crown]

She does more dmg and kb yeah

[winged rain]

Tf you on?

Slide attack?

You mean down tilt? That counts as a dodge

And has whiff of 10 frames

[winged rain]

Joker

[narrow crypt]

Yeah, 10. In a 60 fps fighting game.

[winged rain]

And you expect a fast assassin class character to be slow??

Who is a combo character that can't kill till 120

And dies around 60

[twilit ingot]

It's more than 10. 10 whiff frames is just what was added on top of whatever it had before. It's probably closer to 20 to 25 whiff frames since it feels like it's just under half a second before you can do anything else after using the move.

[narrow crypt]

if theres going to be a dodge move that rolls into an attack, there should at least be some sort of way to punish

[winged rain]

again

[narrow crypt]

understood

[winged rain]

there is a whiff punish

she's broken but she isn't as broken as everyone tries to make her seem

[narrow crypt]

the most broken in my opinion is shaggy, but ayra is close

[winged rain]

Joker?

He literally has multiple 0td

The best jab in the game

And no one complains about him as much as arya

[narrow crypt]

that too, but shaggy is just built different for me

[winged rain]

I'm not saying arya isn't top 10

But she isn't no 1

Best in the game

[boreal jacinth]

is there a separate discord specifically or arya or nah

[grave mesa]

Yes.

[sturdy marten]

bro

what is this

can they nerf the launcher

it has everything

kill confirm

huge damage output

and gimps

arya still crazy insane

[blissful mist]

its crazy , the average arya dies in like, 3 hits

arya is like, the definition of high b low a tier, i think the reason so many people whine is because Arya players are autistic with combos

arya and shaggy aren't even in the same league

[mellow sorrel]

Joker and shaggy are top 2 but Arya is not low a or b she’s def high a

[ancient crown]

I would say she's mid A, but I can see her being high A too

[mellow sorrel]

I think her weight does play a factor in it bc now that she actually has to play neutral, when she does make a mistake she is usually punished hard for it

[winged rain]

Yes I agree

I don't think she's best in the game

Like what people want to say

[winged rain]

i thought you left the game 😭

how have you been

[silver lichen]

Wtf since when was Shaggy considered top 2

Even with all the nerfs to Finn and Arya, Joker, IG, and Gizmo are still better than him

[mellow sorrel]

joker is better than him

thats it

[silver lichen]

Nah I think Gizmo is better too

Shaggy is good, but no way he’s top 2 lmao

[fading flower]

Arya is like

Top 4

So annoying bro

[blissful mist]

Good lol, I had to uninstall to play some other games because my computer has garbage storage space, but I'm not dead

[winged rain]

Damn 😔

Bro gave up the grind

[blissful mist]

Arya could have her double jump removed, her sword replaced with a rubber pool noodle that does 1% and half her weight and people would still yap about her for some reason

[winged rain]

Yeah they always cry about her

She's among the most balanced rn

People just don't know how to di correctly

Working on hitting masters in 1s and 2s

[blissful mist]

Had to play the Witcher games...

[winged rain]

😔

You were my first arya friend lmao

Back when I sucked 💀

[blissful mist]

Well good news,i still suck

For some reason the game still refuses to let me join parties, so its hard to do 2s

[winged rain]

You live in Europe?

Might be cause of that

[blissful mist]

Nope, Australia

[winged rain]

Ah

You gotta play with people from Australia

Simple

I also stream now

[blissful mist]

O, cool :).

[winged rain]

I need that toonsvile arya skin

It's the only one I don't own

[blissful mist]

What's her best skin?

[winged rain]

Slicer

By far

Or her 7 kingdoms fencer skin

[whole willow]

join the mvs oce discord server if u want to meet people from our region

[blissful mist]

Dm me the link please

[fading flower]

Australia mentioned what is good internet

[blissful mist]

Although, I may try get back into it now that I've completed wild hunt

[winged rain]

Well let me know if you do

[timber tinsel]

Arya stark have a boring gameplay. i tested her. not so much to offer then doing the same juggle move in the air and doing some counter.

[blissful mist]

Yeah admittedly Arya's not the most flashy girl

[winged rain]

Better than Finn Shaggy black Adam Taz Gizmo Joker

And mych more

[ancient crown]

It's pretty subjective

[tropic willow]

Agressive adam have one of the most flashy gameplay possible. Tf you talkin

[silver lichen]

Nah bro Adam and Shaggy are swag fr fr

[tropic willow]

shaggy have literaly same gameplay as arya

wait for jab

jab

combo

wait for jab

...

[silver lichen]

It’s ok bc I play him fr fr

[burnt dome]

ayo you play this game too? lol

[silver lichen]

Yeah lol

[winged rain]

Finding one is hard

Most black Adam players play so campy

Fly around fish for Dair

And Sair

[silver lichen]

I'm the nair merchant fr fr

[winged rain]

Black Adam also has the easiest ladder combos in the game

Since you literally can fcking fly

[silver lichen]

They're not really true, but if he catches your dodge or DI, then yeah you get cooked at 40

It's generally better to try and swing at him if he's trying to read a dodge

If you have a disjoint that is

He can still read that, but he can't cover everything at once

So you just have to try and mix up your escape options

[winged rain]

It's not that it's true

Let me give an example

For me to ladder combo I need airwalker

Because I can only go so high with up special

If I miss a read my whole combo falls apart

And I can get punished hard

But for black Adam if he misses the read he can just fly away

With low risk

[silver lichen]

True

[elfin mural]

Scum

[winged rain]

womp womp she aint even S tier 🥱

[elfin mural]

Says who?

[winged rain]

Says the fact she isn't even as bad anymore

Anyone who actually was good at the game would know

Aryas kill potential is poor

Sure she still has combos

But when you're the lightest in the game

And you can't kill till 130

And normally I wouldn't complain about it

If Harley an equally light character

Can kill wayyyy easier than me

Way earlier

[gaunt kite]

🫵😂

Nice to hear it

[winged rain]

You're getting more nerfs and you know it

[gaunt kite]

I hope i get actuall bug fixes

Idc abt nerfs

And dirt start up is coverted into whiff lag

All i ask for

[near granite]

I found this character to be pretty fun when she was on free trial

She worth picking up? Kinda thinking between her and Wonder Woman in terms of how much I really enjoy playing them

[winged rain]

She always has something to learn

And arya players are among the nicest in the community

We just don't appreciate being called trash or scum cause we play a certain character that isn't even as broken anymore

[twilit ingot]

She's super fun and arya mains are always happy to help. Most players will hate you just for playing her even though she's pretty balanced. Wonder woman is also a great character. She is who I would play if arya didn't exist.

[elfin mural]

So u only play high tiers gotchu

[winged rain]

Bro thinks he's cool and quirky cause he plays a mid tier

[twilit ingot]

Dude is living in the past.

[elfin mural]

It’s my that but he literally said I play other characters for fun and only listed top tiers

That’s says something about a person fr

[winged rain]

Says the enjoy a character? So what if he likes top tier characters? I beat better characters than me as Velma you don't see me crying saying "oh he's playing a top tier he's scum" or "it must be easy using a top tier" just play who you enjoy and stop trying to ruin others people time

Cause you don't like the character

[elfin mural]

If he only plays top tiers than he’s scum

[winged rain]

You're the scum for being part of the toxicity of this community

Get a life

[elfin mural]

I gotta do what’s best for the game🙏🏾

[winged rain]

toxicity kills the game FYI

you just help your ego when you're toxic

[elfin mural]

Also claiming characters are balanced when their not does to

What ego do I have

[winged rain]

i said let people play who they want without trying to call them scum

its called enjoying the game

bullying people because they play who they enjoy kills the game

[elfin mural]

Bullying is crazy

[silver lichen]

This is probably ragebaiter’s alt btw

[near granite]

I got Arya

Any basic beginner tips and what perks to use? Planning to just do 5%, snowball, speed, and pugilist

Her mask ability thing seems really cool but crazy tricky to use

[winged rain]

everything is good there

i'd use airwalker

and learn airwalker combos

cause some of them can be insane

but if you don't wanna learn airwalker combos that 100% perk is also gvood

[winged rain]

its trash

[near granite]

Ah yeah I can imagine

Honestly don’t have much perk points so I’m trying to stick with free defaults as much as I can lol

Maybe I’ll get it later on tho

[gaunt kite]

She is not balanced???

If down attack used half a bar i would agree

But no

[blissful mist]

the mask is really good in combos i'm too bad at the game to use

[winged rain]

not really

it helps stop combos if anything

cause you need to steal a face in combos

[elfin mural]

Don’t play her lol

[cosmic dagger]

I see on every character list

Do you have beef with every fighter in the game😭🙏

[near granite]

Should I learn her air walker combos? Little worried about how difficult they might be to execute

[elfin mural]

Nah jsut the scum ones

[agile cobalt]

fr

[winged rain]

Yes

[near granite]

Do you have clips of what she can do with air walker

Also do you set a button on your controller to only do a neutral dodge cause that could help but idk

[winged rain]

When you press dodge without moving it'll do neutral dodge

[near granite]

Ah

May as well just get used to that

[winged rain]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ColdbloodedImportantFrogDxAbomb-iJOKsUY98u1iAxCs

[near granite]

Dang

[winged rain]

Usually I can get some early kills using airwalker

Depends on the character

And how they move when I hit them

[near granite]

Pretty cool stuff

[winged rain]

I'd say after you practice it for a while

You get used to when to use it

And when to not

[near granite]

Hm okay

Gotta figure out how to connect all her moves and stuff

[winged rain]

If you need advice let me know or I can invite you to the aryacord

[twilit ingot]

It uses a full bar... this would be a buff. I mean if you want to buff arya's down tilt that's cool with me.

[twilit ingot]

That's honestly one of the best parts about arya. She's easy enough to pick up and do ok with, but you can play her for weeks and discover something new and interesting about how her attacks can work together. I suggest joining the arya discord since the clips there focus on her. It will speed up the learning curve. Good luck mate!

[gaunt kite]

I mean half The dodge bar

Thats what i mean

Arya still top 4 no doubt

[twilit ingot]

Dodge attacks don't even use that much meter. Get outta here with your bad takes

[gaunt kite]

U say that cuz u main her

Ofc u gonna say that

"No she is pretty balanced"

[twilit ingot]

Glad you are not in charge of balance... but if you were people would have dropped this game yesterday

Kinda sad to play a campy character and then just pray for all the rush down characters to get gutted.

[gaunt kite]

Are all the rush down characters Arya

What??

😭🙏

[fading flower]

Bro like

Nerf lebron

🏀❌️

[winged rain]

Real

[twilit ingot]

Pretty sure people are just going to complain about arya until she's unusable. They want her to have all the weaknesses but none of her strengths.

[wispy talon]

I've never played as Arya unless I'm using her for rifts or for challenges and I rarely fight her but I'm here to ask, where would you guys place Arya on the tierlist?

[near granite]

Seems like she’s generally a high tier right now

Tho I’m still new to the game so idk for sure

[winged rain]

honestly and this is a honest opinion high or mid A tier

i think if you don't play Arya and you just see her doing cool combos and say "well she's S tier"

[wispy talon]

That's fair enough because I heard she struggles to kill but she's pretty good. I always saw her as mid A tier since she's fast

[winged rain]

you don't understand the issues she has

[wispy talon]

Doesn't she struggle to kill?

[winged rain]

yes she does

i can't kill Harley at 110

but she can kill me at 90

or sooner

with her Nair

[near granite]

So she can rack up damage fast but struggles to kill

Also ain’t she kinda lightweight?

[wispy talon]

Harely Nair...the bane of everyone's existence with its hitbox larger than the world's largest ball of yarn...

[near granite]

Is it that stupid hammer she has

[wispy talon]

Exactly!

[near granite]

Thing is practically a kill move that lands almost all around her

[wispy talon]

Someone suggested to remove the active frames when the hammer is behind her and someone said that was a bad idea

[winged rain]

yeah like

Harley is as light as Arya can combo just as much

as fast as Arya

but she can kill early

and Arya can't

[near granite]

She also has a slide kick that goes across the stage super fast

[wispy talon]

Why is there so many characters that struggle to kill or can kill way too early

[near granite]

Why do mages have obnoxiously strong melee moves

Bugs up air with that stupid baseball bat

[wispy talon]

Why does the game hate us no matter which character or how good or bad anyone is at the game :(

[twilit ingot]

Arya is probably A tier. Lots of characters do what she does but better now. The only thing arya has left is her combo game. She is still one of the most rewarding characters but she needs to put in way more work

[winged rain]

See this guy gets it

[twilit ingot]

Yeah and the jab change is brutal

[twilit ingot]

Honestly hope they revert the change that locked out the double dair combo. That really limited her combo potential and with the auto tech system it really wasn't needed

[fluid escarp]

arya feels so bad rn cuz of this

[winged rain]

Not really

Double Dair even if it was how it was still wouldn't work

Cause of the new movement tech

What makes her feel bad is she has terrible kill potential

I'm not killing Harley at 110 on ledge

With Sair

[grave mesa]

Woof

Das tuff.

[elfin mural]

Bro what’s her to be top 1 again

[twilit ingot]

Her double dair was not making her top one. It was her double upspecial cheese.

[blissful mist]

i will never not be mad when my charge stab doesn't kill at 130

[near granite]

Played more of this character and man she can do some sick stuff

Like throw knife onto ground then knock opponent near it then teleport to the knife to follow up with some juggle string

Feels like I could do so much cool stuff with this character

[leaden atlas]

arya needs damage nerfs

[twilit ingot]

She already can't kill early, she dies early and you want her damage to be nerfed? Wild

[near granite]

Idk not having high single hit damage is like the whole reason she needs to use crazy combos

[winged rain]

Good thing you don't work at pfg

Yes give a damage nerf to a character who can't kill the lightest character in the game at 110

Smart idea

[leaden atlas]

idk what y’all on about ive seen aryas kill at 100 consistently

[near granite]

Probably by juggling them all the way to the top of the blast zone

[twilit ingot]

Go to the lab and find out yourself. No single move will kill at 100 on her kit. The only way she is killing at 100 is if she ladders someone well, or catches someone messing around near a blast zone. Pro tip don't jump to the blast zone with a dagger stuck in you

[winged rain]

were you near the blast zone?

normally that'll kill you

with yk anyone in the cast

[blissful mist]

Arya haters when she is kills something before 200% (plz nerf)

[winged rain]

It's hilarious they see someone kill near a blastzone at 100 and are like

"Omg nerf her arya is broken"

Legit any top player puts her top 7-9

Everyone else is just a cry baby

[leaden atlas]

people tend to underplay their mains a lot because there’s no way there is 9 characters coming before arya in a tier list

[odd matrix]

look at T1carrys tier list

he put her top 7

[winged rain]

you thinking she's top 3 is a skill issue icl

[twilit ingot]

Arya was top 3 before the mid season patch but she got direct and indirect nerfs. She was toned down a lot

[leaden atlas]

i didn’t say she’s top 3 i’m saying she’s higher than what you’re saying she is

idk why you keep throwing indirect jabs about my skill level

[winged rain]

its just one time bro lol

calm down

[leaden atlas]

.

[twilit ingot]

Arya is definitely in the top half but if pfg keep listening to the community she will just be unplayable.

[leaden atlas]

.

just passive aggressive for no reason

[twilit ingot]

I'm pretty certain people will call for more nerfs but pretty soon every character is just going to feel so diluted down that everyone will just quit this game.

[winged rain]

which neither of those are "indirect jabs about your skill"

[leaden atlas]

now we’re getting into semantics okay

like idk what to tell you just interact better without a condescending tone

[sturdy marten]

for god sake

nerf this character's stupid combo game

it's so god damn safe to throw a move and get an easy 40+ dmg atleast

that's if u even get the 40 dmg usually u get smth like atleast 70-80 or maybe even dead

stupid combo game

stupid airwalker perk makes her broken

like what is this

[upbeat aurora]

What's her mask perk ? I'm having trouble understanding it

[winged rain]

When your opponent dies you'll get their face

It's not useful

[winged rain]

Isn't true and you can Di out

Arya also can't kill light characters till 100 in most cases

Also a lot of her combos you can Di out

[twilit ingot]

You are better off just using the 5% perk in 1v1. For 2s, the dagger perk is really good, but arya is kinda meh in 2s.

[sturdy marten]

oh my brain tumor

[sturdy marten]

stfu

like the charater is already insane and nerfs didn't do shi

either u remove airwalker

or remove her stupid combos with airwalker

that are 100% true

and kills at low health

u get hit once ur dead

stupid character

stupid gimmick

[winged rain]

Then you play her

[winged rain]

A perk anyone can use

Yes smart idea

[winged rain]

Combos of a character who can be killed at 70

Yes good idea to remove them

[winged rain]

Would love to see it

[winged rain]

A combo is a multi hit string

[sturdy marten]

Damn ur smart u went on to defend air walker bcz every character can use it and the 0td combos bcz it looks cool

👍

So if a character “ dies at 70 “
The character should have 0td and kill options that kill way below 70 wonderful
I’m trying to learn fighting games here

Seems balanced to me

Also that character has insane edge guarding and passive/parry potential so it can wait until u attack

[winged rain]

You're the smart guy who says you die in one hit from Arya

Like a combo isn't multi moves

That's what a combo is

Smart guy

[winged rain]

Show me then

Show me where Arya is killing your character at 70

[sturdy marten]

Mb bro ig I suck
So if I get hit by one move which is a combo starter and like 100% confirmed most of the times it’s called a combo and not a character being busted

[winged rain]

And if it's so easy why don't you use the characters while doing it

[sturdy marten]

I can show u an Arya killing me at 0

[winged rain]

Okay sure

[sturdy marten]

With a true combo

[winged rain]

At 0%

No damage taken

Would love to see it

[sturdy marten]

Yeah as soon as u hit the combo starter u can’t do anything the entire stock is taken thanks to airwalker

[winged rain]

Then do it

[sturdy marten]

As soon as I hop on the game ima show u a clip

[winged rain]

Alright cool

Didn't know you needed to be in game to get a clip

But cool

[sturdy marten]

Yes I need to fight any Arya to record to u

It’s so brainless and easy to do

[winged rain]

Ah okay sure sure

Since it's so brainless

[sturdy marten]

What’s ur rank

[winged rain]

You should be able to do it no?

[winged rain]

Diamond 1 in 1s and diamond 5 in 2s

[sturdy marten]

lol

[winged rain]

Regardless of rank if it's so easy for you then anyone could do it no?

[sturdy marten]

I really don’t care being able to do it or not
That’s like saying oh u think my character has a 0td then go ahead and do it
Useless convo
As soon as I fight an Arya I’ll clip the combo for u so u can see how broken airwalker is with Arya

I can’t be bothered to learn a combo just to show u that ur point is useless

[winged rain]

Then you clearly don't understand that airwalker is based of Di character and even how you position the combo

30% of my airwalker combos actually work

[sturdy marten]

I’ll just show u the combo in game fighting a masters or a gm arya

[winged rain]

Lol

Like rank means anything towards skill

Yes

[sturdy marten]

So no one that’s gm knows how to play arya ok tell that to sveet0

[winged rain]

Hasn't played the game in a long time pretty sure

He's a nice guy

[sturdy marten]

Bro even knows details bout his life

[winged rain]

Just know he hasn't played the game

I used to know him?

[sturdy marten]

So you know that gm aryas usually have more than 2 braincells to do a combo thats 0td

Useless conversation so far I’ll ping u once I fight an arya

[winged rain]

Be sure to have it where they start the combo at 0

[stuck mesa]

this is some crazy talk

[manic eagle]

me when I play a game I don't like and fight a character I don't like so I go to the character's discord channel that I don't like to complain about the character that I don't like

[twilit ingot]

It would be faster if you just did the combo and recorded it. Obviously it must be easy since you are getting kill confirmed off 1 hit from any arya you match against.

[manic eagle]

so only masters/gm aryas can pull off the combo so how is it easy?

[twilit ingot]

I'm still waiting to see this arya zero to death

[gloomy sequoia]

well keep waiting

[leaden atlas]

hold up he’s trapped in a hitstun combo give him a min

[winged rain]

All talk

No show

[gaunt kite]

Guys chill the combo still going

[twilit ingot]

The irony of this comment is kinda hilarious 😂

[winged rain]

LMFAO HE DELETED IT

[twilit ingot]

I think they figured out the irony of being salty and complaining about someone spamming that they are salty.

[slender nimbus]

She is balanced now 🗣💥💥💥

[winged rain]

Nothing happened

Legitimately it's just a whole lot of nothing

[slender nimbus]

Yep and that's why she is balanced 🗣💥💥💥

[leaden atlas]

actually this new broken wings perk might be a nerf to aryas juggling

but that’s just if a person wants to replace pugilist

[winged rain]

In this meta...

[visual wharf]

Nooooo

The stupid down air change

I can’t dodge cancel down air cause the new movement on it flings me too far

Wait nvm, you can still do it from face steal and down ground attack

[smoky tinsel]

Yo guys I just started playing this game again and I noticed that Arya's neutral changed

Is the stun emote gone?

Or is there a special command now

[ancient crown]

You can only use stun when you steal Arya's face

She doesn't have her opponents emotes anymore T-T

Biggest L in mvs history

[smoky tinsel]

I can't be toxic with my enemies emotes?

Sad

[ancient crown]

Indeed

[smoky tinsel]

SHE CHANGED TOO MUCH

[ancient crown]

Fr

[smoky tinsel]

IM TOO TRASH NOW

[ancient crown]

She has way more routes now compared to beta

You should consider joining the Arya server if you wanna get up to speed. There's a lot of people there that'll help you

[smoky tinsel]

Send it to me pls

I'm losing to Velma for God's sake

[ancient crown]

Sure

[nocturne spire]

Wait there’s an Arya server

[ancient crown]

Yes

[winged rain]

Velma isn't trash anymore

[smoky tinsel]

I haven't heard that since season one of beta

When she was the meta

[winged rain]

She's not meta

She's just not trash trash

[smoky tinsel]

Just say she's mid then

[winged rain]

Arya has gone through a lot of changes though

But some of her routes compared to the beta are so fire

New Arya emote kinda dumb 😭

[twilit ingot]

The dude literally deleted his comment 😂 what are you defending?

And?

I have a feeling you are confused or just want to argue for the sake of arguing. So I'm just gonna go. I'm a bit busy to deal with nonsense today. Peace.

Ah got it. Argue for the sake of arguing. Maybe another day. I don't have time for you