combos

[daring bronze]

goat

[lofty field]

an even worse version

[daring bronze]

don't let hardcorefox get his hands on a loop like this

[lofty field]

xd

[shrewd kiln]

ty

[hidden shoal]

can someone send joker combos (reply so I get pinged)

[hidden shoal]

I cant figure out to do this jump dodge thing, I can do it but not that low on the ground

[hidden shoal]

or is it a skill issue and just bad timing?

[shrewd kiln]

It's called an IAD (Instant Air-dash) u hold left-stick diagonally towards the opponent, dodge at the same time and then press aerial down-special

[hidden shoal]

ahhh I understand now its easy

[shrewd kiln]

ye

[hidden shoal]

ooo you can do it with up special and its true

oo you dont even need to do the dash for that I think lmao forget about it lul

[shrewd kiln]

u can do it with aerial down-attack to make it more consistent or even aerial neutral-attack to start a ground bounce

[hidden shoal]

I found a 36 damage true combo lets gooooo, joker lowkey fun

[shrewd kiln]

he's ok. combos good, neutral game not so much

[hidden shoal]

yh, I used to main lebron but he feels so trash now idk maybe just me, I might start finn

[shrewd kiln]

hard to say. I played like, 4 different versions of Lebron

[hidden shoal]

wdym like 4 different patches?

[ivory relic]

Hi guys

[hidden shoal]

hi

[shrewd kiln]

beta version where aerial side-special had a hitbox before touching the ground, Air-walker 0 to death version, cheese version w/ Marvin as a teammate, and now he can ground bounce with down-air below 10%

[hidden shoal]

yh I played the beta version he feels completely boring and different now, maybe just because of movement change

[shrewd kiln]

well, he has the bounce thing I mentioned, but he's the only character at the moment that can do like, 3 side-airs or more as a combo

[grand breach]

I heard it's not true because of di up

[shrewd kiln]

it doesn't have to be completely true. u just have to know more combo routes

[sharp halo]

And there any new t&j and combos? If there is I’d like to see

[lime hound]

Joker stuff

[ancient moon]

"all that for a drop of blood"

[grave hinge]

This stuff right here is what makes me really dislike this game at times‼️‼️😤😤😤

Also stuff like this cause how does damage get applied and then taken off like what in the flying world is this⁉️⁉️⁉️😡

[spiral valve]

lmao means you had a bad internet connection. You were lagging and your client didnt receive Garnet's jump input so it thought it connected (so it does damage and makes a sound effect) even though you totally whiffed

then the garnet getting healed is cos the shocked effect (from yo clap) ticked on them, updating the damage the correct amount

[grave hinge]

Well I doubt it was my connection cause I test my connections at least 5 times before hoping online and my download doesn’t fall below 100mbs speed and my upload doesn’t fall below 20mbs speed so that doesn’t make sense to me yet even with all the netcode patches they’ve done it shouldn’t be that severe

[graceful bramble]

It has happened to me in moments, at this point I think it is because the server wants it that way
At this point I think it's more the other person's fault
(you have a pretty similar internet speed to mine)

[grave hinge]

With a game like this I just believe it should be number one priority to make sure that the servers don’t allow for things like that to happen at all. Stuff like that can cause for players that have a chance to win to be countered and cooked. Instead of adding new characters and adding more problems just fix what’s wrong first

[graceful bramble]

At least it makes me get out of my comfort zone, not even brawlhalla what was the game I was addicted to in 2021 made me spend an hour researching what "roleback netcode" means and how it affects my game and in what ways it does it

I hope they fix it soon, the game is pretty cool

[primal lava]

bn

[warped sun]

what the scallop...

[hidden shoal]

when I do dash after the sair I just go to far and miss

[shrewd kiln]

lol

[fallen flint]

The better combo out of these

[clear rivet]

Some combos I labbed a few weeks ago

[shrewd kiln]

@left zealot any Velma combos?

[left zealot]

Pinned messages in the Velma thread

[white kiln]

Nope, they nerfed almost every combo for him, but the true one its jab into d tilt on all di's

Paddle can be di, so you won't get hit by up air and if your like around 100% - 110% you can di the up air and side air follow up after paddle last hit

So your combo starter its always jerry, also dont throw that often jerry, almost every character can one shot or deal very easily with jerry

Theres nothing for T&J also no kill confirms, even if down air into up air exist that only work like on 80% - 110%, after that you cant reach the final up air if your opponent di's

[sharp halo]

Damn my main has been killed COMPLETELY😭

[white kiln]

Our main its completely gutted

Your best option its to camp and set up projectiles, we got no combos its not viable

[sharp halo]

Yes our main. they done nerfed the goats, one of the god fathers of cartoons

Shout out to Tom and Jerry anyway

[white kiln]

Also killing with T&J its almost imposible, if your opponent surpasses 110% you cant confirm up air in anyway, so your only option its too stack dmg till 150% to kill with down air or trying jab into d tilt, kills at 150% - 180%

[sharp halo]

I know man, I had a feeling that I just couldn’t kill anymore

[white kiln]

Also rocket with jerry in the air and in the floor it's really good kill move but it's almost impossible to hit mid match while your in the air

[sharp halo]

That’s been one of his only kill moves forever😭 and now it’s his ONLY one

[white kiln]

Our best way to kill was paddle jerry shot d angle into up air, now we got nothing to kill, we need to stack like 150% or 180% to kill properly

[white kiln]

Up air its an good kill move but you need to get that sweetspot at the middle got more khockback

[sharp halo]

They got rid of the sweet spot cuz they said “it’s already strong as is” which is kinda true

[white kiln]

Also up air its more difficult to hit bc you need to use it as an anti air, and paddle now it's useless, at high percents you can just di all the follow ups

[white kiln]

I feel like the part at the middle of the up air got more khockback than the edges with my experience

[sharp halo]

Oh well then yeah cool ig

[white kiln]

But yeah the character ain't good now, struggles to kill, has an horrible disadvantage and weight, also you can just one shot jerry now with almost every character

[sharp halo]

Perfect way of explaining it

[white kiln]

So spamming jerry its one of your worst options, if he dont want to kill jerry he can just dodge the jerry shot and get an full approach at you, and bc you have the disadvantage your in danger of losing an stock

[sharp halo]

And all his combos have been deleted to top it all off

[white kiln]

Yep, PFG don't khow how to balance an character, and specially the community don't khow how to play against them

So they simply just complain about the character without seeing how to counter him

Someone was telling me to gut T&J he's so broken and blah blah, he told me paddle into up air was broken then i told him that you could just di, he did it and the thank me

[sharp halo]

Yeah most definitely, I didn’t think Tom was super broken I always thought there was definitely a way to play against him

Even when I play my other mains I had my own way to play against Tom but that might just be because I mained him

[white kiln]

This community just sucks, is not an fighting game community that wants to learn and counter an character, it's an toxic community that wants his s tier, top tier main to be buffed and the characters that they dont khow how to play against nerf

[white kiln]

If you play T&J you 100% know how to counter him

[sharp halo]

Yeah

[white kiln]

Il better play rivals 2 and buy an new pc for play instead of using consoles

I'm tired of this community full of casuals complaining about being bad, rivals 2 has meele community and its an really technical game and with an really competitive community

[sharp halo]

I love multiversus and think it’s going in a good direction but I just think the characters balancing needs to be more fair instead of just deleting a characters viability

[white kiln]

Bc of people complains

[sharp halo]

Yep

[white kiln]

This devs should be like brawhalla devs, they play a lot his game, they know what its broken or not, and they test what people say about complains more the competitive community

They should bring all the pro players like competitive pro players that khows about the game, and base the changes on their opinions, instead of giving casuals what they want even if that applies killing an character

[sharp halo]

🙂‍↕️

[white kiln]

We are on the banana guard situation of season 1, really awfull, they gutted us bc people didn't khow whats the counterplay, only the pro players that i faced like grandmasters and some masters knew what to do

His not that hard to counter, every character can do his stuff to T&J except velma that character its worst than trash she got no combos like us

But atleast more kill power with up b and up air

[sharp halo]

Nothing i disagree with here

[white kiln]

Yep😔

[static iris]

i mean i hated the loop

[sharp halo]

They got rid of the loop by adding teching already I don’t think they needed to do everything else they did

[static iris]

i remember it being super easy to cover

[sharp halo]

I just miss my main being good

[static iris]

i mean he s decent

[sharp halo]

Well yeah but yknow

[static iris]

what

[hollow mantle]

shaggy at the back, watching like 'bruh'

[pearl nacelle]

What's the most consistent combos and 0td for ppg rn?

[covert tiger]

For the Jason infinite loop 2 jab and up special but don't let your opponent escape btw you can turn the up special

[brisk reef]

Please no.

[white kiln]

Not true in anyway again, you can see it on the hitstun also

[shrewd kiln]

DI-able = to never not working? please be quiet

[static iris]

yeah so all sigs are op rn

[white kiln]

Nah

They nerf them after 2 weeks if the situation it's really bad

[static iris]

queen nai: teros: jhala: and many others

[white kiln]

Bro saying that queen nai it's that good got to be really skill issue, your not even silver

Queen nai its like bottom tier, you know you can time an dodge then punish queen nai

[white kiln]

Teros and jalah are really strong but not like king zuva i think thats his name

[static iris]

she almost won a tourney with down sig bro what are u on lmao

[white kiln]

Are we talking about the recent season, I didnt play like months ago

[static iris]

yeah plus they re super greedy and axe is still a thing, they clearly don't play their game when a weapon like that exists

[white kiln]

She was bottom tier, idk if she got buffed or smth

[static iris]

plus why did they feel the need to add spike sigs that bring you all the way down to the blast zone

[winged copper]

Yea pros call queen nai the worst characters because of speed

[white kiln]

Yes

[winged copper]

The only broken sig from these characters you mentions is jhala sword dsig. The rest are fine, teros sigs are really good but definitely not broken

Queen nai i would say her spear ssig and katars dsig is hella strong.

[white kiln]

Spear side sig its fast but i dont think it's that strong bc of the range and whiff also the same applies for d sig with katars also teros sigs are really slow and with some whiff but they kill early so balanced for me

[white kiln]

Not like xull side sig with canon and xull d sig are really op and fast they have tons of dmg and khockback

[winged copper]

With spear ssig you can a dodge ssig to catch them offgaurd but I get what you mean with the whiff.

But dsig katars is insanely strong:
dair - dsig will catch all early dodges because people don’t want to get hit by dair - slight

[winged copper]

But if they dodge late then it will whiff ig

[iron verge]

That's because dodges have 2 frames of startup, so it may appear that they're not in hitstun, but they cant escape (the combo counter also doesn't account for those 2 frames that's why often true combos aren't counted as true)

[white kiln]

That's simply not true bro, if you di

[iron verge]

I mean probably i was just talking about the hitstun part u pointed out, for future reference

[white kiln]

Ok

[shrewd kiln]

could of skipped neutral-air but it looks cooler

[static iris]

i guess di away lets u combo uptilt into side b

[shrewd kiln]

maybe. i didn't try DI-in 'cuz i wanted to try DI-away first

i just know that grounded down-special after jab 2 works on both

[static iris]

yeah but not always or other DIs ig, that combo is super weird to rely on

[shrewd kiln]

maybe there's something better with DI-in. i'm done for right now. it only worked 'cuz Bugs Bunny is lighter than Shaggy

[dusty badge]

Some combo of harley Quinn?

[tardy spade]

I think bugs needs a buff.

[shrewd kiln]

who would have known that neutral-special can combo into up-air

[random roost]

Yeah no

[tardy spade]

Lol

[tardy spade]

As you can see, his combos aren't very strong, I believe to fix this, they can lower the knock back of his nair, and possibly his up tilt, thus raising his combo potential. I believe that this could possibly remove him from being the bottom one character.

[tiny scaffold]

And that Velma combo is not even true she only has 1 combo and it’s barley even average

[shrewd kiln]

what is up with this "true" thing. instead of complaining, why don't y'all post combos

[tender ice]

thankfully these just are not true against di

[tardy spade]

I DIed in every direction.

[iron verge]

Except up

[tardy spade]

I did against a bugs player, and died

[iron verge]

Di up and out kills this usually, but bugs is still really strong

[tender ice]

di up and away stops this

[tardy spade]

I did

[covert tiger]

Please dont nerf it

[cunning raven]

If you had enabled the "dodge after stuns" option you would know that it is easy to place a dodge after the high special.

[covert tiger]

Oh well it works for noobs

[cunning raven]

Jason is the only character that I feel like the dev team doesn't know what to do with.
He's become so predictable and hard to control...
For 1 buff, he has to get 10 nerfs. This is not possible! He has no combos anymore, and it's getting worse as the seasons go by.

[covert tiger]

Ok i change my mind

[static iris]

jab12 into dtilt in up air still is good

[cunning raven]

There was a complete guide for the powerfull girls, a guide for Black Adam, another for beetlejuice etc...
What I want most of all, is that they themselves make a complete guide for Jason. They will see his shortcomings and the impossibility of doing combos descents.

[dusty badge]

Ty, I just found out that I can cancel the dodge, I have a lot to improve

[shrewd kiln]

np. u can follow up the non-instant air dash side-air with a fastfall grounded up-attack and back into side-air if ur good enough. really hard tho

[quasi wraith]

Is this on dodge

[tardy spade]

Yes they all are

[amber nexus]

@hoary raven

[pseudo osprey]

This combo is kinda 50/50 Lowkey
Depends on the character's weight, size, and DI

[solar mesa]

hello

Does anyone have new harley combos?

[hollow girder]

anyone got a good set of combos for jason

[limber sun]

yeah do sair into sair, into another sair then for the end you do sair

[fallen flint]

Dr quinzel stay clean

[tardy galleon]

buff morty

[lofty field]

This ain’t a true combo sadly

[pure agate]

The boom box part is hit or miss, it used to hit everytime and now sometimes it just doesn't

[lofty field]

I secondary stripe, ik for a fact that’s not a true combo because dodge gun just isn’t a thing

And before u say that the bot was on dodge after hitstun, the bot is dumb and doesn’t work sometimes so it might seem like it works but ingame it just won’t (also no top stripe players are doing that so it prob doesn’t work)

[pure agate]

Wasn't even gonna bring u the bot thing because I know it off a lot. But there is almost seems to be no difference between upback Dodge gun and just jumping gun after jab 2

[lofty field]

There is almost seems to seems?

[pure agate]

Oops

It might be a one frame link tho. Which most of the time isn't worth tryin online

[lofty field]

The combo counter is denying that its a true combo aswell (ik the counter can be buggy sometimes)
Show this working in a real game and I’ll believe u

[pure agate]

I've definitely done it plenty of times with the counter saying I'm right, which is why I think it's just an inconsistent one frame link. When I hop on later hopefully I remember to clip it.

[lofty field]

Aight, hope it’s true tho since that would make me play stripe more

[pure agate]

Hopefully I'm not getting your hopes up🙏🏽

[balmy crypt]

They need to make double sair more doable

[smoky plover]

What are Batman’s 0td combos?

[green veldt]

And it’s all over the screen

[green veldt]

Man Morty combos are so boring nowadays.. REWORK MORTY

[elder birch]

hes always been boring

[rich saffron]

@elder tulip might have some

[dusty badge]

How counter the superman fists combo?

[random roost]

The side jab combo?

[rich saffron]

di ⬆️ ➡️ press dodge, usually works for me

[dusty badge]

Ty

[marble ermine]

Any Lebron drip?

[pure agate]

After further testing, the gun does combo after up back Dodge cancel but you can di the jab after when not at low percent . It may be possible to get something else tho. I'll keeping testing

[shrewd kiln]

old

[marble ermine]

looking clean buddy 👍

[fallen flint]

Harley stuff

[green veldt]

Start a YouTube channel cuzzo

[fallen flint]

Game Finished with max combo

[frosty harbor]

28-90 damage kill, yipe

[rapid wigeon]

That was crazy

[olive coral]

Anyone got a Finn to death

[median sentinel]

do I win best clip yet

[pearl nacelle]

What's the most consistent combos and 0td for ppg rn?

[pearl nacelle]

Thanks

[pearl nacelle]

I have a question is this combo true? The bot always techs after I do dair

[tough kernel]

Yep look in the vid combo hits is on

[tough kernel]

👍

[lucid carbon]

Late reply, but that combo is cleannn 🔥

[frosty harbor]

Button is nasty
The conditions are tight though, so people fall out often

[shrewd kiln]

@lean surge would this work in an actual match?

[static iris]

try dodge random which uses random DI as well

[shrewd kiln]

seems to be true. just have to include the dash while charging side-special in rage mode

[thick steppe]

Ok so what's some good Joker combos, please?

[winged copper]

Dair -> tech
Nair covers all options???

This is another reason ig needs nerfs 😬

[shrewd kiln]

it feels that way, yeah. Iron Giant doesn't need nerfs lol tech rolls need more invulnerability to stop Agent Smith

[fast locust]

😳

The handsome smith took his place as the main evil villian. . .

[hidden shoal]

guys how do I kill with finn, I always gotta get ppl to like 140-160 just to kill

[amber wedge]

can someone ping me for jake combos?

[dawn cobalt]

IM PICKLE RICKKKKKKKKKKK

[balmy crypt]

Get them close to ledge and do jab jab iad down air

Does anyone have rick combos?

[dawn cobalt]

IM PICKLE RICKKKKKKKKK

[frank crane]

Anyone got any good combos for shaggy or Finn I want to get better since they are the only people I have

[steady phoenix]

any morty combos or tech I might have missed? been gone a lil while

[tough kernel]

You can split stolen grenades now

[obsidian crypt]

beta was so much better

[frosty harbor]

Automatic tech is confusing because you're often not expecting it. If you could control it, a tech would never surprise you

[olive coral]

Anyone got Finn combos

[winged copper]

Unplayable 💀

[regal furnace]

Any new or fun black Adam combo vids?

[pearl nacelle]

I can't get this to work is there another one?

[sonic spoke]

who got batman combos

[next spindle]

When Lebron was good and fun

[astral mango]

Does Wonder Woman have any combos? I just got back into the game yesterday.

[tough kernel]

Yea dm me

[graceful bramble]

Could you recommend me some optimal combination to configure the bot?

[tough kernel]

Turn combo hits on 2 see tru combos. That's all I do. And also turning off stage hazard's

[iron verge]

Cant wait for this to be gone🙏

[iron verge]

Fair warning just because the counter stopped counting/reset doesn't mean a combo isn't true. Dodges have 2 frames of startup and the counter doesn't account for that

[tough kernel]

Oh ty for that

[balmy crypt]

raven kills at 52, go to 5:56 on the guide vid

[iron verge]

That's on a bot with no DI

[balmy crypt]

still crazy

[frosty harbor]

And some characters are just hoping for a kill move at 130 😭

[tough kernel]

Ong

[lofty field]

gizmo can kill at 0 with no di

[tough lichen]

i hit masters on 3 characters (batman, arya stark, and wonder woman) idk why it hasn’t updated on the leaderboards yet 😭😭

[vestal python]

Nair could’ve killed I think

[errant lichen]

https://vxtwitter.com/ElBardo22/status/1856299280694120796

[covert yacht]

can someone give me a good list of good PPG combos i can use since im starting to use her now

[limber sun]

their combos might change up quite a bit

[covert yacht]

why so?

[limber sun]

because they have been a character that was known to get a few changes (due to them being insanely overpowered) so a few routes in their combos might end up getting removed or just changed all together

[covert yacht]

so theyre confirmed getting nerfs this update?

[limber sun]

almost inevitable I say

[covert yacht]

ah i see thanks for letting me know bro! i know they had some crazy 0td and whacky combos but ill wait after the patch

[limber sun]

good idea

[limber sun]

#clips message this is getting them nerfed and the other 0td they have with the air dash 😭

[covert yacht]

NAHHHHH THATS CRAZY HAAHHAHHAH

THATS SO BUSTED OUT OF ITS MIND LOL MAYBE ITS GOOD THEYRE BEING NERFED THEN LOL

[pseudo wagon]

I have a question, is there combos that work for every character?

[winged copper]

Jab jab

[exotic drum]

not for tnj 😭

[tiny tulip]

u thinking this better is crazy lmao

[white kiln]

Its 100% better

[tiny tulip]

getting inf combo to death is not better bro

[fleet wren]

Beta is litteraly better than super smash bros melee they ruined the game

[static iris]

that aint true at all lmao

[white kiln]

The gameplay was better not the balancing

[fleet wren]

Look at the stats, all the pros left the game since the beta closed

they ruined the potential of an exceptional game to give dog sht

[static iris]

just because the relaunch happened at all, it was a mashy mess before you d like it if you enjoyed spam dodge all the time, plus speed is back now no need to worry

[tiny tulip]

i can see that

[tiny tulip]

im saying bro

[fleet wren]

Wavedash camera combo

[static iris]

there s still wavedash and camera is fixed since s1?

[fleet wren]

Movements are still trash and i did not try the camera recently

[static iris]

movements are rlly good what, camera is also perfect and has been patched since s1

[fleet wren]

Camera is zoomed... Not like the beta

[static iris]

and... that s drastically changing the game's comp right, also it being zoomed is not bad

[fleet wren]

No movements was better before bc speed now it feels like mario smash bros on switch

[static iris]

but if you like the beta i can't change your mind sadly, since things u re saying are outdated

[fleet wren]

This is the main thing that made me leave the game, in their place I would have put an option to change the camera like on brawlhalla

[static iris]

it s not even that bad bruh

[fleet wren]

Everyone preferred the beta, those who remain are just in denial or are new players

[quasi olive]

Bro speaking for everyone

[static iris]

small bunch did dont speak for anyone pls since lots of people prefer this

[fleet wren]

Just look at the stats im not wrong

[static iris]

the game died at beta as well the stats say that as well btw the game was stagnant and had little changes

[fleet wren]

yes, but we still see a rise at the beginning and many people like me were disappointed

[static iris]

not many* plus as i said, ur arguements are outdated and most of the server/pros agree that beta was worse

[fleet wren]

that's why we don't see any pros playing there anymore...

[static iris]

there are? the previous left not because of relaunch state too btw

[fleet wren]

relaunch was not the problem, if the game had kept the spirit of the beta while correcting the remaining problems there would be many more active players in my opinion

[static iris]

agree to disagree 🤝

[shrewd kiln]

y'all should test Steven Universe for combos

[hidden shoal]

finn combos are cooked

[winged copper]

Raven combos?

[elfin hearth]

Combos with Finn, I feel like they killed him

[rich saffron]

Raven combo

[tough kernel]

Learning. like the command grab kinda neat

[tough kernel]

Nice I'ma steal that real quick

[toxic tree]

Oh hell naw already it hasn’t even been 3 hours

Led alone 2

[tough kernel]

BROOOO SHEES SOO SLOWW GOD

[toxic tree]

I didn’t have a good way to record it

[tough kernel]

Oh that's still true

[toxic tree]

But yea new Batman combo

With the new fast fall yea cus I’m not using IAD

[tough kernel]

Oooh shi mb that's cool

[toxic tree]

Np (I hate auto correct)

[fast locust]

Ravens Got sauce yall.

[exotic jungle]

ok that's actually pretty rad,,,

[fast locust]

its lit

found a new combo character I like 😎 @distant turtle @astral mango

[exotic jungle]

while i myself have a ways to go before raven she seems really fun. i like her edgeguard potential and she fits my style with her being a setplay character

[distant turtle]

[fast locust]

check it she has confirms at 60. 💀

[distant turtle]

my timings are all messed up now

game feels very weird, hopefully I get used to it

[distant turtle]

what is bro cooking in grandmaster?

[fast locust]

💀

[crisp parrot]

Not sure how good this is but I'll leave it here anyways

[fast locust]

it looks good! its not a combo but she has w off stage potential.

its a great string to get used to movement with the fighter.

[crisp parrot]

Also this

[astral mango]

DANGGGG 💜💜💜💜 NICE NICE NICE

[astral mango]

THIS IS FIIIIIREEEE GOOD JOB BROBRO 👏 I WILL BE STEALING

[fast locust]

💀

[fast locust]

there is a trick to it, hehe. but its easy I'll tell you in dms

[crisp parrot]

Goin crazy

[pearl current]

Taz lost Tornado Utility but How low to the ground he can Nair makes up for it tenfolds. Im still testing stuff, So far I like what I see

This is with dodge after Hitstun on also

[toxic tree]

Another Batman combo but it starts at 41s

Most of it is failed attempts

[rough spear]

Raven edge guarding and early-ish out

[shrewd kiln]

https://1drv.ms/v/c/003e97dc286a2f3f/ERgq2z87K5lOhq4i5Jwp71gBStsfQjKHs13ABlEDcwW_8g?e=JiDUyG

[toxic tree]

[dapper agate]

Any new Jason or Beetlejuice stuff 😔probably not but I’m hoping

[shrewd kiln]

it's a true combo. that variation only works on heavies though

[rich saffron]

Raven is definitely the best character they ever added

[shrewd kiln]

neutral-air has advanced frames if u hit it u should be able to use up-air or maybe even another up-special (with the bird)

[winged copper]

Most fun looking character. She’s not op so hopefully people drop her 🙏

[toxic tree]

I can’t authenticate

[toxic tree]

Oh no

[shrewd kiln]

very cool. is that DI-away?

[slender gate]

what you mean?

[shrewd kiln]

which DI is the bot set to?

[slender gate]

evasion after knockback

[shrewd kiln]

oh ok

[slender gate]

here it is

[shrewd kiln]

ye. dodge after hitstun = DI-in

[graceful bramble]

hey, weird question
d-pad or jostick?
I am not very precise with the second one (skill issue), I wanted to know if I should make the change and try moving with the d-pad.

[toxic tree]

Jostick

[quasi wraith]

Dpad

[slender gate]

i prefer joystick

[shrewd kiln]

joystick for Iron Giant. d-pad for everyone else

[quasi wraith]

Anyways how do I use fast fall during combos

[slender gate]

player first games killed taznado so....

[shrewd kiln]

d-pad is really only good for dash attacks. Iron Giant almost never uses it

[graceful bramble]

could drift be influencing my issue (apart from my skill issues) or is it not taken into account here?

[shrewd kiln]

tbh i'm not sure. I don't really mess with the settings that much I just know that there's something called input buffer that u can increase or decrease

[slender gate]

drift obviously influences any game

[shrewd kiln]

it'd have to be some massive stick drift then. I be seeing Apex Legends pros that have no problems with it

[fast locust]

that seems to be what people might be going for alot with raven. It might fall off when people get used to it though.

[tiny badger]

Anyone cooking up raven combos? How she feeling? I gotta wait to get her on the 15th

[shrewd kiln]

she seems like she'll be great in 1v1s on first impression of testing her. in 2v2s it might be a different story

[rich saffron]

Raven kill confirm

[pearl current]

You can also start the combo after catching someone with nair while landing

[fast locust]

Is that follow up side air on the bounce back with raven?

There is probably easier follow up, to go for. It looks like when a player uses directional influence it might not be as easy.

But looks good!

[tiny badger]

Nice!

[stiff nest]

Cool

[quasi wraith]

How do I use fast fall during combos?

[tough kernel]

You can loop this. First 2 or 3 are true

Example

[lofty field]

Di?

[tough kernel]

Can't di from it

[lofty field]

Di up?

Di up and in/out probably works

[tough kernel]

Don't know for sure Abt di up and out but the first 3 bubbles are true

[shrewd kiln]

I wanna see some people combo while using Raven's down-special perk

[tough kernel]

Bro...

[cobalt portal]

Is it true? This is the first thing I was gonna try after seeing her trailer lol

[tough kernel]

you can do it 7 times in a row true

[shrewd kiln]

if u set the bot to dodge random out of hitstun, u'll see that it's not true (it DI's up)

[tough kernel]

Yes it is true just put the bot on dodge random after hitstun it's still true

I'm sitting here just looping the bot😭 on dodge random after hitstun

[tough kernel]

Dodge after hitstun on in this clip

[toxic tree]

Why dose Harley Sair ground bounce

[tough kernel]

Because its a projectile 👍

Certain things like to bounce back up a bit if you throw it hard on the ground 👍

[small osprey]

yo bro where did you get your controller settings?

if you do then i’ll be thankful

[tough kernel]

Dpad with touch jump off and fast fall on tap

[small osprey]

can you send me a video

[quasi wraith]

How do I use fast fall during combos?

[tough kernel]

Bro... Get your input you use and just practice fast falling. When you master that add attacks.

[fast locust]

52 damage combo with raven

[boreal wave]

🧼

And it’s not cheesy and spammy like the others I’m seeing nice one

[fast locust]

This does not loop, I tested it

Maybe on bigger characters for a bit, but its not as bad as you guys think. its just fun for like 30 damage or way less.

[quasi wraith]

Is this true?

[fast locust]

#combos message @distant turtle @astral mango

[covert yacht]

guys based on the PPG changes what combos do you think are still viable

[shrewd kiln]

i dunno what they did to PPG. use Buttercup, her grounded down-attack is always true or at least it was

[astral mango]

I've been trying to get a zero to death with this combo I think it's possible

I don't think i have the skill to finish it tho

[meager maple]

funny airwalker

[vestal python]

im so cool

[tough kernel]

You're in your buffed state try it with out it

[dusty hill]

idek, jab into down tilt isn't even always true anymore lol

[tough kernel]

I know the air dash attack combo zero to death is gone

[hushed spire]

What’s the new Jason combos

[vestal python]

🥱

i poop in the urinals

[tough kernel]

Godly

[tough kernel]

Stealing that btw

[astral mango]

Yall think this could work in game?
I could see it working closer to the edge of the map that's when they're most likely to dodge through you

[runic nimbus]

kinda trash how do you get the aerial short hops?

[vestal python]

Bet

[astral mango]

QUICK WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN 📝

[runic delta]

Okay Raven definitely is gonna be my second Mage to use behind rick

[winged copper]

They didn’t nerf Jack?

[meager maple]

nah, the nerf was a general nerf of weakened debuff

they removed weakened debuff in all characters i think

[lament lagoon]

nother day nother 0td

[winged copper]

Nahhhhh whatttttt did I just witness

[hidden shoal]

guys are all finn combos cooked? send

[vestal python]

You need to tap jump

[worldly quartz]

I tried this out yesterday but it depends on the knockback which is rarely consistent

[woven tinsel]

^^^

[rich saffron]

Raven 0td combo

[hidden shoal]

Guys send samurai jack combos pwease

[winged copper]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[rotund flicker]

came up with this and thought it was kinda neat

Decent damaging setup combo for BJ

[amber wedge]

anyone got finn combos😭😭🙏

[soft sentinel]

Not true but looks dope 👌🏾

[rich saffron]

Yea not true if they di away

[fierce pike]

I've created a combo guide for Raven, check it out 🫡
https://youtu.be/pPmnfyEZzEU

[lofty field]

0td with raven

[thorny plinth]

Knew it

[elder tulip]

dodge after hitstun on??

[lofty field]

yeah, the combo thing also says its true

[limber sun]

I told you, a loop and a 0td

[weary lily]

we'll see her perfomance in tourney, can they try this in it

[elder tulip]

try it in a real match. i dont see that working against someone real. no ones letting raven get close enough without punishing

[lofty field]

the combo does get weird on di in and out, but u can adjust the combo to make it work if you know what di the opponent has

[elder tulip]

mmm nevertheless its still a pretty neat combo you managed to cook up.

[lofty field]

ty

[valid shoal]

Cool ass combo but u need full bar to pull it off looks like

[soft sentinel]

Not true but another dope looking combo

[lofty field]

it is true?
dodge after hitsun is on and u can see the combo thing saying its true lmao

[soft sentinel]

It's DI dependent just tested

[lofty field]

if u know the di u can adjust the combo

[soft sentinel]

Correct but that makes it not true

[lofty field]

it still would be true if u knew the di

[soft sentinel]

Lol I don't think that's how that works but ok. Anyway like I said I like the combo true or not 👍🏽

[lofty field]

no yeah tested different options and it works to a certain degree (its kinda hard to do it on different di's), but yeah thanks

[soft sentinel]

🫡

[left zealot]

pretty sure this is DIable but still

[amber wedge]

finn combos?? pls

[sage berry]

Is Finn just gutted rn? His jab now has decent kill power but aside from that does he have any actual combos?

[cunning panther]

Idk man, I played yesterday and I just couldn’t win any matches. I’m still getting used to the new jab

[dusty hill]

Full list of ALL Powerpuff Girl combos:

[hidden shoal]

fr bro

[amber wedge]

😔

[sage berry]

There’s no Finn combos, I’ve found one mediocre true combo that’s so hard to pull off it’s not even worth trying

I get why Finn got nerfed, but this was overkill. He’s so boring and one dimensional (even worse than a 0TD fisher)

[dull flame]

bro I just stopped playing mvs for a wihle and tom and jerry can't do any combo .-.

[amber wedge]

Thank you for the info ,what i found is that Jab Jab down tilt is probably his go to combo

[umbral thistle]

Thought?

[shrewd kiln]

it's good if ur goal is to push opponents towards the edge. her hitboxes kinda busted

[stray narwhal]

Not to be rude or anything I countered it with Tom and Jerry, and then eliminated Ravin good combo tho

[inland portal]

Raven combo, is it any good???

[shrewd kiln]

3 hit combo is a good start

[rugged cedar]

😳😳😳

[rich saffron]

0td Di out combo

[rich saffron]

You can juggle raven rocks, probably useless

[spare saddle]

useless but something starts off useless and someone finds a way

[dry matrix]

that looks a lot of screen coverage and annoying

[worn fjord]

Is it just me or When this season dropped my combos Just stop combing

[dry matrix]

that's weird... I'm doing more custom combos with short hop

[shrewd kiln]

what's the Agent Smith loops looking like now, now that auto-tech distance was increased

[hidden shoal]

can u send some new finn combos?

[tough lichen]

when i use lenore it pulls me towards it, how come it doesn’t do that to you?

[meager maple]

funni confirm

[lofty field]

This can deffo be turned into something fire

[limber sun]

that works?

[meager maple]

yeah, up b can be inconsistent sometimes

[limber sun]

I have a lot of ideas then, maybe Jack won't be too bad

[meager maple]

if u hit only up tilt u can do jab or d tilt

[limber sun]

I wouldn't do up b out of it unless I had focus to confirm a kill at high percent tbh

[meager maple]

mid stage confirm

[limber sun]

interesting...nonetheless thanks for showing this

[static iris]

not true on all dis

[tough flower]

I've been trying to find some new PPG combos, particularly with air dash perk

This pretty good damage off jab, but down tilt is inconsistent now

Leader swap combo (old combo I think, also works by replacing down special with down tilt but less consistent)

Blossom air side special can ground bounce into air dash, pretty good with collateral damage perk

Bubbles air side special can sometimes be followed into air dash (I think it depends on DI and character size) which can be followed into nair

Buttercup can confirm jab 2 into side special (still whiffs sometimes, might have to do with your distance) which kills quite early. Jab 2 into laser also seems to be confirmed but I forgot to test the killpower

Also, all girls seem to be able to confirm jab 1 into up tilt, might not work on all characters and might also not be new but I thought it was worth mentioning

[fast locust]

Almost landing the clip.

[spare juniper]

Awww if he didn't dodge last second lol

[fast locust]

🗿 Unfortunate.

[rain parrot]

She got a lot of not di able combos

At least 3 A surprising amount to experience considering she just got released

[static iris]

which ones

[rain parrot]

I don't know the move names tho It's quite easy to start A melee combo from the crow or without it all the ariel attacks can chain and the land bassed melees can be comboed into arail attacks it's like the old jokers kill ladder Except there's more and it's easier

Raven Immediately has the best assist and ledge guard the game with the crow as well

[amber wedge]

maybe today some finn combos😭

[hidden shoal]

fr

[shrewd kiln]

sure, a lot of it is matchup knowledge. it's important to note that Finn's jab 3 will ground bounce now so, depending on the opponent's weight, jab 3 will bounce them at either 0% or 15% on DI-away.

on all characters at >35% for both DI-away and DI-in, u can do jab 2 > IAD > down-air > grounded up-attack. if it's a lightweight, u can follow up with side-air 1 into fast fall side-air 2. on heavyweights, sometimes u can follow up with down-air to force a tech.

for DI-in only, u can do jab 2 > grounded side-special > jump > side-air 2.

Finn's KO confirm is still jab 2 into highfive (BIMO only)

[amber wedge]

finally thanks so much

[fast locust]

its not consistent enough, but fun to go for. I've been landing some bird combos already but not long enouhg combos that im happy with that kill.

[winged copper]

Anyone got nubia combos that don’t start with jab or side special

[azure portal]

I haven't played in about 3 weeks but is it me, or did they remove all of the ppg combos?

[shrewd kiln]

no, they just removed her super easy 0 to death

[hidden shoal]

can u send samurai jack combos

[fast locust]

I thought nubias always go for Dair. 🗿

[shrewd kiln]

the patch notes say:

Ground Up Attack

• Samurai Jack can now cancel the attack on-hit after the first hit before the second hit has begun

so, after grounded up-attack, try Airwalker or down-air or side-special or aerial down-special

they probably made him a force a tech bot, he's a jab bot character pretty much

[winged copper]

I never go for dair in neutral, it’s not even that good.

[fast locust]

🗿

[static iris]

dont work

[shrewd kiln]

which part?

if the patch notes say a move can be cancelled after the first hit of grounded up-attack and not after the second hit of grounded up-attack, then that means the second hit cannot be cancelled. u also have to try it at 0%, 15%, 30%, 60%, and 100%

[winged copper]

No way bro. Nerf Jack

[shrewd kiln]

sheesh

[static iris]

not true

[static iris]

everything but upair and grab doesn't work on all DIs

[shrewd kiln]

that was definitely a lie. I started up the game and tried it, it works on Shaggy so far. u just have to adjust the percentages

[static iris]

works on dodge random on what percentage

[shrewd kiln]

I didn't say it was completely true because I don't know that much. I said it was a combo and it works on dodge after hitstun on 60%. I didn't try it on other percentages

[static iris]

dodge after hitstun is no DI which doesn't matter, DI kills any jack combos even jab12 - uptilt groundbounce aint true if u DI away

[shrewd kiln]

ok well, it doesn't mean it will always not work. that was the whole point

[static iris]

got it, then i guess it s more of a string

[shrewd kiln]

sort of except they're in hitstun still so it's not a string, just not completely true for all DIs

[static iris]

di checkss

[shrewd kiln]

yeah, that's why it's good to know a lot of combos on one character. like, if an opponent is near a ledge and u're doing that combo on them there is almost no reason for them to DI into the blast zone

[static iris]

unless they know, that s why jab12 - dtilt is still a decent option

[shrewd kiln]

that works too. it's always good to know mixup options

[meager maple]

not true sadly, can work for some reads

[fast locust]

True combo just messed it up but don't feel like fixing it, but whatever look at it. 😌

[limber sun]

jab into down air works?

[astral mango]

I knew this combo could kill

[astral mango]

I wish her crow was more consistent it's a great combo tool when it works

[marble ermine]

Anyone got some Joker sauce? Thinking about picking him up

[sonic lily]

SHEEESH

[balmy crypt]

4 months late vro

[fast locust]

Yeah you have to space it perfectly

[fast locust]

You just have to know what works, I combo with it well all the time, it's just very flow state.

[fluid inlet]

That Lenore üpspecial looks like it’ll knock them away if they di out

[astral mango]

It seems to work online cause the up specials hit box is so huge it's kinda broken

[astral mango]

If you look at the crow doing the up special you can see it barely touched shaggy but still caught him

[white kiln]

Yoooooo🔥

[raven scroll]

average

[lament lagoon]

this dude was literally 41 gm last season this is embarrassing

[cunning dome]

finn rn is kinda wonky, like he still works but all combos r just rlly basic

[amber wedge]

hes not bad but i play him for the juicy comboss

[static roost]

Somepony has Finn combos? 😔

[winged copper]

Jason x Nubia 4hit team combo

[shrewd kiln]

jab 2 > IAD > down-air > jab 1 > create the rest. works on Banana Guard, Superman, Wonder Woman, Bugs Bunny, Iron Giant, Gizmo, and Lebron James on DI-away at 30%. it is character specific, and I didn't bother trying it vs. all characters

[static roost]

It worked for me, thankies 🤗

[fallen flint]

Ricks assemble 🍗

[amber wedge]

fr

[wary field]

@sand furnace

Here is one thing they absolutely gutted

[sand furnace]

He has plenty of other kill moves. Please.

[wary field]

Ah yes they absolutely destroyed part of his kit, but there are other parts so it's fine.

[sand furnace]

….yes. Exactly, actually. He needed some type of nerf

[wary field]

💀

[sand furnace]

You’ll be okay, I promise

[limber sun]

no we won't tf

[wary field]

This isn't my character, I know I'll be fine, but the down play is crazy.

Jack wasn't even top 8 before, fym needs nerfs.

[sand furnace]

Yes, the downplay coming from you folks is in fact crazy. I agree

[wary field]

We're not downplaying, the nerfs gutted Jack, the only one downplaying/in denial is you

[sand furnace]

At the end of the day we just disagree. I think that’s okay. Have a nice day you two

[limber sun]

grab not killing at 150 is some bs and killed his confirm, I even used focus and it didn't kill at 140, I gave up after seeing it

[wary field]

Lmaooo

[random roost]

What about air down special

[limber sun]

air down special works, it's his definitive best move now

[dusty wadi]

No big sweeping attacks with little recovery isn't weak. And dash attack kills.

[limber sun]

off stage it's goated but jab jab iad down special doesn't even kill

[random roost]

Yeah I agree 🐐 ed, may Jacks go for for side special offstage but down special is better 🗿

[limber sun]

side special is cool but down special is where it's at 😫 despite the hitboxes but yk

[random roost]

It's fast too and my go to move

[solar owl]

Fou d a new kill confirm when your back is facing the ledge

Love characters you can do goofy shi with hope they never dumb him down

[fast locust]

Noice, I'm get back on smith after I get masters with raven. Her combos have been fun mang

See you still labing that handsome smith.

[random roost]

-_-

[solar owl]

You know it brother😎👍

[solar owl]

Still learning the matchup with her I learned she got combos the hard way🙏💀

[fast locust]

Yeah, I love the follow ups

[solar owl]

The auto tech mechanic didn't apply. "tech extend" I shall call this phenomenon

High percentage version

[shrewd kiln]

yikes. another whole season of this guy

[random roost]

^

[solar owl]

Yeah season 3 has to be his strongest version I prefer the post July 23rd version is the most balanced and what I'd perfer

Said that shi twice lol

[dusty hill]

smith moment 😭

[solar owl]

❤️

[rich saffron]

Dont know how this happen

[random roost]

Would that have killed or would up air been the better kill option here?

[rich saffron]

Bro raven got the sauce 👀

[fast locust]

[solar owl]

Love the direction this game is going idk why people don't wanna see combos in a fighting game lol

[static iris]

i desire

[amber wedge]

finn combos?

[north patio]

Jab jab jab

[amber wedge]

😡

[graceful bramble]

Some new PPG Combos?
Maybe for mid game

[supple spade]

Sauce

[winged copper]

I don’t understand why side air - jab should be true.
Or even that gun move that doesn’t make them bounce 🤦‍♂️

[shrewd kiln]

yeah, they need to take some of his combos away for sure

[solar owl]

The toxic side of patch culture

[shrewd kiln]

it's not wrong, they really do. that's ridiculous

[solar owl]

I mean if I guess wrong with smith I get hit it's not night and day

[winged copper]

Jab gun not teching the most bs part of that combo

[solar owl]

These people in ranked are Insane

[solar owl]

You mean the gun cancel

[winged copper]

Yea that’s broken. They removed stripes gun cancel they should do the same for agent smith

[solar owl]

It's not optimal it's just 2 dmg I do it bc it looks cool (fun)

3 bullets 2 dmg for cancel
2 bullets 1 dmg for cancel doesn't work with just 1
Situational plus not optimal
That's why it's still in the game

[solar owl]

Landed it

Still lost the set tho

[solar owl]

Ppg got TOD combos I learned that the hard way lol

[winged copper]

No what you can do after cancel is not fair. You can literally has a jab and tech reset

[solar owl]

It only works for that specific combo I wasn't able to replicate it in-game probably a training room bug

[winged copper]

Oh so it doesn’t tech reset in game? Then I guess its alright

[solar owl]

No it doesn't work in-game i tried it on Samarai Jack in the video above and it didn't work

[iron verge]

Jabjab side special/dtilt, if u do side special and they hold in u can do uptilt and maybe an aerial or 2, if u do dtilt u can sometimes jab again, sometimes uptilt or sometimes dash attack

[amber wedge]

My usual is normal or Jab Jab dash uptilt

[elfin bone]

Does bugs have any bread and butter combos or confirms?

[solar owl]

Onc I exit this lab no one will tbag me again 🙏😭

[dusty hill]

please stay in the lab (for everyone's sake)

[delicate harbor]

Impossible

[cinder zealot]

overhauled hitbox..

[solar owl]

It's already beginning

[grand breach]

this combo is hard to hit since you have to align the bomb explode with sair still decent

[solar owl]

Even without the bomb is still pretty sick

[grand breach]

ty

[fallen flint]

Polymorph totally fair move

[limber sun]

man is becoming a Smith demon

[dusty hill]

gotta love big rick

[iron verge]

Fair warning, do not DI out against finn if ur a big body

[fiery sequoia]

Sick

[fast locust]

Combos are good good. 😎

Im okay with more characters that are less jab combo dependant tbh, just so players don't get the excuse to call it jab verse

[solar owl]

I understand but they're gonna find something to complain about either way lol

[elder tulip]

@lunar tulip @tender ice tffff?😳

[tender ice]

the most situational combo known to man

[elder tulip]

alright trash can go to bed

[tender ice]

jus being honest theres a 1/100000 chance the situation in that clip happens in a real game

[elder tulip]

ik ik still looks nice tho

[fast locust]

🗿

[fluid inlet]

Not to mention that they used a platform too so it’s stage dependably as well

[spiral valve]

I'm gonna be real, that does not look like the most unreasonable set up

[tender ice]

You need the stage to have platforms at the perfect placement for you to land mid combo (if the stage even has them), you have to hope your opponent doesn’t di away, you have to make sure your bomb is freshly sticked since the timer will run out, and you must hit jab right after you stick the bomb to start up the combo to begin with

It’s not gonna happen it’s a training room combo 😭 still pretty cool tho

[winged copper]

Nubia 0td if they dodge in or jump in
@spare juniper

Doesn’t work on big maps

[grand breach]

this is more reasonable if u read a di or a jump u can 0td

[winged copper]

Yup Harley needs nerfs

[grand breach]

she's top 10 not the best rn nerf arya first

alrdy nerfed burnout loop also

[tender ice]

ye dash attack into sair is a very good confirm

[north patio]

Joker combos?

[grand breach]

U can up tilt sair after in normal circumstances it's pretty good

[rich saffron]

Thanks

[shell willow]

Hey guys what’s ravens bread and butter combo

[rocky bluff]

camp

[spare juniper]

Yea Dexter's lab is such a dumb map cause the ceiling is so high but gonna use this combo

[solar owl]

Patch culture be like 💀
Just play brawlout if don't want combos in a fighting game

[winged copper]

So you don’t think Harley needs nerfs? I’m sorry not everyone plays top tiers and can actually struggle against the balancing of this game

[solar owl]

There where characters I'd love to see nerfed to make my life easier but instead I labbed it out and learned the match-up. I struggle with Harleys and lose alot to them as a smith player despite what the teirlist say, bc it's the player not the character.
I just don't like it when people jump to changing things instead of understanding it first
Bc once you do you that's when you have the most fun

If you want a truly balanced fighting game play street fighter 1 no complexity and the 2 characters are the exact same

[winged copper]

I don’t want a truly balanced game, I came from Brawlhalla. I just want a good game, take a look at ranked or tournaments

It’s like they aren’t even trying to balance

[winged copper]

Match up or not she still needs a nerf. Even llegend said she was top 5 and I don’t agree with it but if a Harley pro says she is that high, then I have no reason to question her capabilities

[solar owl]

But then again balance is subjective
So what is your balance philosophy for this game

[winged copper]

I have none, just try to nerf the high tiers stuff. That’s all I can say

I can’t give my honest opinion on some characters nerfs because I would be biased, but the best thing I could tell devs to do is to look at tournaments for a helping hand

[solar owl]

For me I would give low teir characters more options to better help with their match-ups and for the high teirs I wouldn't downright gutt them or take away what makes them fun I would just add more risk for their playstyles for more opportunities for them to be punished witch will help the lowteirs along with their new options

Buff nerf or gutt their will always be a best and worst character

[winged copper]

Not gut them, what they did to Finn is crazy. But they should nerf them
For example one top tier agent smith, sair - jab shouldn’t be a thing. Small certain combo nerfs like that is a lot better

It’s not that the low tiers are trash, its literally that the top and high A tiers are wayy too strong. Jake/jack/nubia mains would feel the same way

This is what I mean by too strong, two Arya pros mains can’t even punish eachother because of their insane framedata. Imagine how low tiers feel fighting her

[solar owl]

Exactly they should add more risk for their playstyles or no one is getting punishment

[winged copper]

Yea that’s completely fine. Most of the time best character doesn’t even matter it’s mostly matchups

I struggle more against gizmo than I ever would against an agent smith

[solar owl]

I still want them to do crazy stuff but I also want players to think about what their doing I think that's more skill based

[solar owl]

For me with smith in masters if I go in and miss or guess wrong I'm getting hit

[winged copper]

Yea I feel like a lot of the time people just play auto pilot, because everything is such low risk high reward

[winged copper]

Yea true that’s even why I have smith as 50/50 for my matchup tierlist #clips message

his move animations are really long and so much easier to punish

[solar owl]

when he finally hits you... pure bliss...
But yeah that's my balance philosophy just add more risk for certain things
So it's more based on how you play then what you play

But PFG is struggling there still trying to fix Finn

[winged copper]

I hope they fix him next season. I wanna enjoy this season

[solar owl]

I think they should revert him back with the soft TODS but make him punishable if he miss plays

Or they can leave Finn and make other characters better to balance out the power creep I honestly don't know

People can't make excuses bc their character is better too

[winged copper]

That was the only problem, as Nubia we literally couldn’t hit him. No matter what

If they add more whiff to his charged attack that would be better

[solar owl]

I agree

Imma go make casuals cry now

[white kiln]

Lit impossible mu for T&J adding the fact that he's the 3rd lightest character ig, also arya can't be punish and she can go throught projectiles and kill at 60

[winged copper]

Revenge 😼

[limber sun]

the shi is flipped now lmao

[winged copper]

Set 1-2
Kills 2-3
Diamond 5 losing to a grandmaster

[shadow fable]

You think Nubia is even in her MU with Agent Smith?

[winged copper]

Yea, it feels pretty even

[real silo]

They changed smiths down attack

So I can’t combo with him anymore ;c

[elfin bone]

Good combos for bugs bunny?

[static iris]

u can still do a lot of combos

[shrewd kiln]

Samurai Jack goofy true-combo

https://xboxclips.com/AZARA3L/0fc7d3a6-a626-42ee-af6d-58260d1a89b2

[static iris]

tbh if you manage to hit this ur opponent should just DC immediately

[shrewd kiln]

it's do-able if u hit a parry

[static iris]

nahh i d rather do the basic jab and uptilt to do more dmg, aint no way am going burnout for an escapable combo

[shrewd kiln]

lol it's not escapable or at least I don't think it is. dodge random out of hitstun was on

plus, jab into grounded up-attack is only true around 40%

[static iris]

third nspec is, also down b charged can be an optimal choice

[shrewd kiln]

word? I tried it a billion times it always works. w style points I guess. grounded down-special after jab 2 doesn't connect anymore

[static iris]

mvs bot is known for not dodging correctly on tight timings, the counter resets making it untrue, also i meant after the parry you do a down b. But u get the style and goofy points, i like it lol i d actually use it for the funsies

[shrewd kiln]

i see, i see

[static iris]

i enjoy your creativity, u got the role combo maker

[iron verge]

Honestly ive been playing more finn and he aint bad

Here's a finn combo for yall

And some arya junk

[thin mason]

i keep trying to recreate this combo in training but i cant for some reason. can someone please tell me why? Is it because of the character model?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlCdNUUq6mM

[winged copper]

Spider-cracka damn I think I went against u before but played passive to win

[sage berry]

A combo from 5 months ago is crazy, look up Rick wolfsight on YouTube

[thin mason]

try to find one on youtube that isn't from 5 months or 2 years ago

[sage berry]

Rick wulfsight or wolfsight idk

[sage berry]

I really can’t tell if Finn is still tournament good. I have no clue how to play him now, nor do I know what % leads to some of his old true combos

[thin mason]

ty ill look it up

[sage berry]

Couple of months ago, but it’s still relevant with his changes

[iron verge]

No clue, if u have i was probably tilting hard ngl i was losing my mind until like 2 days ago where i locked in

Now i needa fix my winrate

[iron verge]

Hey that's my guild member‼️
He's rlly good at rick yall should check the combos he posts on twitter, much more frequent stuff on there

[winged copper]

Oh yea, it was 4 days ago

[iron verge]

Oh yeah i was most definitely geeking, ive put a second crack in my desk this season

[winged copper]

😭

[iron verge]

U owe me 🫵

[winged copper]

Beginning of season 4 was just bad, i struggled aswell

[iron verge]

Yeah im getting more used to the changes now, but i dont have enough time to fully dedicate rn. Lets spar sometime

[thin mason]

can anyone explain to me how this up tilt is linking into that up air?
Is he double jumping? i can't understand how he goes so farhttps://youtu.be/aIFDoVYRLM0?feature=shared&t=181

forgot the link

and at 3:13 too how does red go from ground up tilt to that up air so quickly

and then thats double jump to up special?

[tender ice]

no longer in the game p sure

[thin mason]

[toxic tree]

Fire

[solar owl]

This soft TOD took so many tries and I forgot to mute my mic🙏💀

[winged copper]

“Just die for me” 😩

[solar owl]

😭

[rich saffron]

🤣

[amber wedge]

OMG i need to try it rn

[iron verge]

Just know that the bot has to be roughly 20% (different depending on character weight) and u have to slightly charge the uptilt

[amber wedge]

k

[astral mango]

That was nuts

[cinder zealot]

what every smith main sounds like

[solar owl]

Honestly, considering I don't look like how I sound I take that as a compliment ✊️😭

I'm like Pica from One Piece

[lucid carbon]

Oh yeah I qued you a ton yesterday, you had some nice Finn combos that were really good 🔥 😭

[edgy fiber]

Whiffversus

[iron verge]

Gut arya

[random roost]

They did

[iron verge]

😂

[random roost]

yeah she's still good tho

[unique lark]

i havent played this game in like 4 months why does my char not attack

when im in air or just sometimes doesnt attack

[shrewd kiln]

because ur on mouse & keyboard

[iron verge]

She's top 3 lmao it's not like she's just barely good

[unique lark]

rlly?

[shrewd kiln]

i'm assuming, yeah. it's a bug

[balmy crypt]

Thanks to you I just 3-0ed a batman

[chrome tartan]

Anything for joker still?

[north patio]

No papi

[chrome tartan]

Damn his run is really over 😔

[iron verge]

U just gotta abuse flower that's all you get and that alone carries him

[chrome tartan]

Been here in the lab and can’t seem to get anything to combo into the flower

[elder tulip]

@spare saddle give combo help

[chrome tartan]

Just to confirm pogo can’t combo into gas anymore?

[iron verge]

Just abuse flower bug and do flower into flower lmao

[spare saddle]

his combos still work im confused as to what your askin for

[chrome tartan]

Flower bug?

[iron verge]

Oh you dont know, nvm i didn't say anything and was never here

[chrome tartan]

Just a combo I know I can do when I catch my opponent, I used to use balloon a lot but it got gutted

[random roost]

[chrome tartan]

Dm that 😅

[elder tulip]

his flower no longer consumes haha meter

[iron verge]

And ur banned

[chrome tartan]

WHAT?!!!

[elder tulip]

also, pogo combos into gas

[chrome tartan]

I’ve been trying to do it and he always dodged out of it

[elder tulip]

im trying to get a joker main to speak but he busy talking to the air

[spare saddle]

clearly

[iron verge]

Yeah he's tourney banned because of it lmao

[elder tulip]

@vapid dove this is still true no?

[spare saddle]

heres a combo that still works #clips message tho dont expect to get the full clip down

[vapid dove]

no pogo into gas is not true anymore

[chrome tartan]

That’s bogus is flower really like that? I remember pre-nerf people couldn’t care for it fr

[elder tulip]

@chrome tartan i stand corrected my bad

[iron verge]

Yh full charge does stupid dmg and can combo into itself and setup for tech chases

[spare saddle]

it still does just depends on the height the pogo sends them

[elder tulip]

also ty 🩷

[vapid dove]

that's true actually i think around 50-60 it's true with ground bounce

[iron verge]

So joker basically presses one button all game and wins for it

[chrome tartan]

Damn never mind it really is like that

[vapid dove]

no joker takes skill now

[chrome tartan]

To my knowledge he can’t 0td you anymore

[iron verge]

No, but he just builds dmg for free so doesn't rlly matter

[elder tulip]

apparently you can just get certain characters off ledge and hit them with the acid until they die? counts as 0 to death in my book 💀💀

[chrome tartan]

For me it would be getting caught in a true combo and carried to the blast zone 😅

[elder tulip]

just takes a bit of practice and getting used to dw

[chrome tartan]

Gonna try the flower then

[shrewd kiln]

https://xboxclips.com/AZARA3L/a9180bd8-236e-473d-aba0-f362d9a34682

[solar owl]

So proud 😎👍 (God bless ya)

[sand oasis]

Last patch

Still works in season 4

[limber sun]

stripe 0td, damn

[iron verge]

Been around forever, time to go on the chopping board

[brave harbor]

Is there any tru powerpuff combos beside s attack, d attack, into a neutral air or something :b

[shrewd kiln]

u could probably see if jab 2 > down-special or jab 2 > grounded down-attack > down special > grounded up-attack works this patch

[shrewd kiln]

@astral mango @wicked coral ur Grand Master, please never downplay ur character again. I figured this out in like, 2 seconds https://xboxclips.com/AZARA3L/5a17e7de-302c-4a1f-836d-7286213a975a

[astral mango]

who’s grandmaster.. 😳 uh that’s cool tho nice

[wicked coral]

nice combo! You do realize though that the jab jab phone at the end isnt true though right?

[shrewd kiln]

u said it's character specific so it can be

[wicked coral]

I said its character specific and the characters that it DOES "work" on its a 50/50 and sometimes not even that at all. Even on the characters it does work on though its more likely to fail than to succeed. Literally all the opponent has to do is hold away and the combo fails lol

bro its semi consistent on jason. ON JASON IT KINDA WORKS. if that doesnt tell you something idk what will. jason is combo food and its hard for them to combo jason.

[shrewd kiln]

then change the combo up a little bit. like I said, Buttercup is usually the character that makes grounded down-attack work on DI-in and DI-away

[wicked coral]

so you're sitting there and telling me with a straight face that im supposed to play buttercup during neutral? The slowest of them all? Do you not see how thats a problem?

[shrewd kiln]

if ur playing against Jason, what is the problem with using Buttercup? both of y'all are slow and he has no projectiles. just spam side-special

[astral mango]

That combo wouldn’t work for the rest of the stock because stun decays the more you use it. and it’s tied to a signature perk which sucks

doesn’t fix the fact they have terrible air combos/follow-ups

and that combo being tied to one character makes the other two more obsolete which isn’t ideal. buttercup should be the only one with the raw kill power and lack of flow. but they all play like that now besides bubbles

[wicked coral]

I dont think you've played against good jasons before, ive fought against GOOD Jasons top 18 in the world last season iirc grand master. That whole matchup is footsies and out maneuvering jason cause WERE SO BIG AND EASY TO HIT. If you dont have movement you just get hit and ppg is light, thats a bad combo, you get hit out of nowhere sometimes and clipped when you shouldnt and then you just die cause jasons kb and range is great. If were slow the mu is just straight up bad cause now we dont even have speed against him. And on top of all of this he outranges us. Like bruh 💀

[wicked coral]

^

[shrewd kiln]

then u change the combo up and find other routes. y'all sitting there complaining about how u have no combos at all and none of y'all bothered to test anything

[astral mango]

What worked then worked well and wasn’t impossible or oppressive to beat. I’ve asked 7+ people and most agreed they were not busted besides the air dash bs. I’m allowed to complain when 4 people abuse an easy otd and the whole character gets all the fun and life sucked out of it.

yes that’s a good combo, but now i have to force myself to use one girl, AND a perk to make it work. you did good but that doesn’t make what we feel any less valid

[wicked coral]

we literally did, which is why were telling you they have nothing LMFAO, They buffed their upair to cancel earlier on hit, which made it seem like it would combo into upspecial but it doesnt, nair doesnt combo into anything, sair doesnt combo into anything dair can SOMETIMES combo into stuff but its inconsistent and character dependant, and jab jab phone doesnt work on majority of the cast either. WHAT DO WE DO? We have jab jab swap which is cool but definitely is less versatile than jab jab phone. And sometimes can even screw you over cause you can swap to a ppg thats worse in advantage or one thats kb is too high and can mess up the combo.

yeah, regardless of anyway you cut it, its worse regardless of anything. Were not downplaying anything. Ive just played other actual top tiers this season and can CLEARLY FEEL that massive difference. Getting character diffed is insane.

[astral mango]

Mind you this is the second time we had to essentially relearn the character, so obviously we tested a bunch of routes that’s why we are upset 😭 duh

[shrewd kiln]

it sounds like y'all are one-tricking i'm not gonna lie. ironic, but u can't just spam one combo and expect to succeed. I'm sure that there's a lot of variations that u can apply while using jab 2 > dodge-cancel > down-special

[astral mango]

@wicked coral 100% they didn’t read what we said so let’s just not engage any further lol

as if one tricking had anything to do with the conversation 😭

[wicked coral]

so the fact that we brought up valid arguments now makes us one trick ponies LMFAO.

[wicked coral]

yeah you're right, its just a waste of time at this point, I hope they ACTUALLY PLAY THE CHARACTER, so they can then realize how right we are. Training room and actually playing are two dif things, try playing neutral with buttercup I DARE YOU. the only reason it works at high % is becasue if the opponent messes up they die.

[shrewd kiln]

I'm not even trying to argue. I'm just saying maybe train more on the sticks instead of with the mouth

[astral mango]

everything seems bright and shiny in that lab room lmao

[wicked coral]

this is the truth man. it always is.

[wicked coral]

i deadass spent over an hour in the lab testing stuff that would REALISTICALLY work against a real opponent when season 4 dropped. Trust me they are LACKING. And bro one tricking had nothing to do with anything. You could say that for literally any character in the game that has a jab combo. "batman mains are one tricks since they just jab baterang" "bugs mains are one tricks since htey just jab upstrong into aerials" like bro, THEY WERE DESIGNED AROUND THAT. Being forced to use a perk is bad, and so is being forced to swap to even combo. The fact that you have to do that creates down time where you have to stop applying pressure and swap back unless you want to play an objectively worse version of the girls depending on the situation. No other character has to back up after they combo someone, its objectively bad.

[shrewd kiln]

sure bro. u have a grounded down-attack that takes up the entirety of the map Town's Ville (1v1) and despite being a rushdown character, u have a tool to easily kite heavier opponents

[wicked coral]

also im not lying if it even matters.

I KNOW YOU"RE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT 1v1 TOWNSVILLE LMAOOO literally everyone and their mom complains that its too small (which it is). its slow and a punishable move, jason might be slow sure, but again on 1v1 townsville the stage is also extremely tiny, its REALLY easy for him to dodgecancel jab us even from across the stage bro. Just using that move in neutral is only good as a mixup and is far from being good as a general use to "kite heavies" Its SOOO free to punish phone and in this game literally everyone like to be in the air and they have to be grounded for it to connect reliably now. The hitbox on it is def worse after the hitbox changes.

[shrewd kiln]

yes, it's a small map but at the same time the map is ur entire hitbox, so I was only using it as an example of how ridiculous it is. I'm sure that later on in the day u'll figure more stuff out. that small little combo was only the beginning

[wicked coral]

thats exactly my point, its a small little combo, nasty 30% into have to retreat and let your opponent breathe, I promise you're overestimating their capabilities atm, the fact that nair cant combo anymore along with the fact that jab jab phone not existing really hurts them. Im not arguing phone isnt a dumb move, I agree with you it is dumb and a good move. But I am saying that you cant use it for free like you're arguing here. even if it coverse the whole stage all the jason has to do to avoid it is JUMP WHICH IS SOMETHING EVERYONE DOES IN THIS GAME ALL THE TIME.

[shrewd kiln]

I looked at the patch-notes, said a combo that could be possible, and then later on loaded up the game for 3 minutes to see if it worked and it did. I don't even have Powerpuff Girls, let alone actually play them I just understand from a gameplay perspective that it is possible for them to do more. they have a lot of versatility, ur playing 3 characters in 1

[wicked coral]

btw just played against a bugs with buttercup and no jab jab phone isnt even consistent AS BUTTERCUP against him, you will hit the first hit but not the launcher. so it doesnt even work with buttercup lmfao

[shrewd kiln]

cool, so it doesn't work on DI-away vs light-characters. ur Grand Master I shouldn't have to tell u how to play the game

[wicked coral]

3 mid characters dont beat 1 top tier. also just tested it against a player who dis and mashes airdodge and jab jab swap into dair doesnt combo EVER unless you're blossom and swap into bubbles AND THEY ALSO DONT DI AWAY. basically its inconsistent. I like them and il keep playing them regardless, but they do not have combos anymore at least nowhere near what they used to have.

[wicked coral]

I wasnt asking you to tell me how to play, I was telling you because light characters around bugs size are COMMON AS HECK, they are played all the time. and take up a considerable amount of the cast, I was telling you jab jab phone just straight up doesnt work incase you didnt catch it.

[wicked coral]

you need to swap into bubbles because if you arent bubbles you arent fast enough to follow di away and they get out of it for free

[shrewd kiln]

jab 2 > dodge-cancel > down-special scream does work. maybe u won't get to follow up with a down-air (which would be preferable) but u can use other moves in ur kit. u know that, right?

[static iris]

i see there is a ppg arguement

[shrewd kiln]

well, it was mostly just people that only knew how to spam jab 2 > grounded down-attack and when PFG took that away, they didn't know how to use anything else

[wicked coral]

like what? nair doesnt combo into ANYTHING anymore, upair doesnt combo into scream neither does sair. SO please TELL ME WHAT MOVE? none of my aerials outside of dair combo into / out of it and I cant land dair majority of the time. also i just tested that and it doesnt work. I tried a BUNCH of different timings, none of it was true.

[shrewd kiln]

why don't u go into training mode and figure that out for urself. that is what it is there for

[wicked coral]

thats literally what im doing. Ive been trying it for the past 5 minutes in a bunch of different timings, Its impossible to cancel soon enough to get jab jab scream

[shrewd kiln]

u cannot because the computer will mash out of hitstun at an inhuman speed

[wicked coral]

hes not set to mash out of hitstun... IT JUST DOESNT WORK

[wicked coral]

also they dont have hacks you know? They mash out at the same rate anyone else can. So if it doesnt work on the cpu ITS NOT TRUE. WHICH IS MY POINT. If its not true its not a combo its a string.

[shrewd kiln]

ok well figure it out urself. I'm pretty sure that I know how, but it's entertaining watching u be mad the whole time and somehow u got to GM #26

[wicked coral]

im not mad im just questioning man. I mean if im just being trash Il accept that, and move on, I WANT TO GET PROVEN WRONG TRUST ME. But it doesnt seem possible to do jab jab scream dude. If all it takes for a combo not to work is for the opponent to mash airdodge or a move or even just HOLD AWAY the character cant combo dude. From my hours of experience along with the testing I just did, the only person that can get jab jab neutral special is buttercup and even then its not 100% consistent its more like a 80/20 thing. and she doesnt need to dodge cancel it either. You just literally cant airdodge or dodge out of jab into scream. Please prove me wrong.

[shrewd kiln]

lol

[static iris]

but ppg still has some combos right or did they gut

[wicked coral]

they still have like a few 2 pieces, they got gut, Nair doesnt combo into anything anymore and jab jab phone just straight up doesnt work if you hold away lmao

[shrewd kiln]

he doesn't know that when the computer is set to dodge out of hitstun, the computer does definitely mash out of stun at an inhuman rate. I can tell that ur not using every move

[wicked coral]

they have jab 1 upsmash and like jab jab laser, and some dair nair stuff sometimes. Blossom also has aerial side b into dash attack. But aerial side b is so commital its almost not worth it most of the time.

[wicked coral]

dude the computer is set to mash out on the first frame its able to, which ANYONE is able to do by just pressing the dodge button preemptively because this game has a lot of buffer (30 frame buffer at default) Meaning if you see ur getting combod and just mash the dodge button it will come out on the first possible frame dodge can come out. I shouldnt have to explain this. The computer doesnt mash out at an inhuman rate, its just normal if you see yourself getting combod you just mash or hold airdodge. at least thats the gist of it at a very basic level. ???

[shrewd kiln]

ok lol

[wicked coral]

they also have some stuff off of jab jab grounded swap now, which is pretty cool, but its quite easy to overshoot it and for your opponent to mix up with di and for you to miss the swap entirely, swap can combo into nair upair dair (except on di out unless you're bubbles SOMETIMES its kinda inconsistent) and like upspecial and I believe aerial downspecial which got gutted.

[wicked coral]

dude are you sitting here with a straight face telling me its hard to mash airdodge?
bruh lmfaoooo

[shrewd kiln]

Iron Giant has a stun bar too when he grabs people with side-special so I would know. I'm going to bed

[wicked coral]

that stun bar doesnt indicate hitstun, just the stun from a move like bubbles scream. ???????? gn man hope you have sweet dreams.

[shrewd kiln]

right, it only indicates what moves u can pull off which u already mentioned. audios

[wicked coral]

god i miss beta harley
https://www.twitch.tv/eclipse_ssbu/clip/EnticingEnthusiasticPuppyRalpherZ-5aOA6FpH7Zyazt42

https://www.twitch.tv/eclipse_ssbu/clip/ViscousSingleSwanShazBotstix-nEhPiFKdcTtP2RT5

SHE WAS SO COOL

[astral pagoda]

Definitely DI-able but still, fun af

[solar owl]

What happened? I'm assuming something was taking away?
If that's the case, this isn't third strike or Snk this a casual players game
and when they cry the fun must die
It's getting so bad that the devs gotta add a shield mechanic to help these players.
I'm prepared when they remove all skill expression from this game

[wicked coral]

everything was taken away, their main combo routes start from jab jab phone (which doesnt work anymore) and from nair (which doesnt combo kill or do damage now)

check the patch notes if you're interested in specifics. They also got some nerfs im okay with like aerial down special and a few others iirc. But they def over did it. I hope they rebuff them eventually.

[slow stirrup]

Audios made me cackle

[solar owl]

What made you laugh?

[wicked coral]

i was down with nair doing less damage and comboing less, because it still combod into a few important moves like dash attack or jab (if ground bounce) or neutral special, but now it doesnt combo doesnt kill and also doesnt do damage. It does 5% IF all multihits connect (which is really inconsistent after the hitbox changes) WHAT DOES THE MOVE DO?

[slow stirrup]

The person arguing earlier left and said audios instead of adios

[wicked coral]

THEY SAID THAT? I DIDNT EVEN SEE IT LMFAOOO

[slow stirrup]

It’s like the last thing they said here LOL

[wicked coral]

lmfaooooooo didnt see that

[solar owl]

It's only gonna get worse I'm happy PFG like to listen but they should also know when not to listen and show some integrity
For example shields have no place in this game it's already more optimal to play passive especially with mages

[solar owl]

Lol I can't read Apparently

[wicked coral]

not everyones voice matters. Sorry to say but its the internet, some peoples opinions are just straight up bad. I personally am happy shields are getting added, imo it will seperate the good players from the bad, now that you cant just rely on busted approaches or moves some characters cant challenge like shaggy side special for example. It will add patience to neutral and also add counterplay against those dumb options. Theres scissors and paper in the game atm, but theres no rock which means theres counterplay missing.

theres also gonna be quite a lot of counterplay to shields from what I read, like shield breaking moves and certain characters grabs. So that will be cool and I dont think they will dominate the meta, just will be a niche option to moves you cant challenge or people who approach haphazardly and without much thought.

[solar owl]

Hol up People are still complaining about his side special?

The casuals still haven't figured that out yet?

[wicked coral]

that move is god bro lmao you have to go to canada, and come back to punish it, some characters arent fast enough and some characters that are fast cant punish it regardlesss by doing this, so you just have to hold the L and let them take stage control for free. its really dumb

[solar owl]

It's good but not broken I actually want them to spam it I parry that shi all day lol
In high levels of play they don't use it as much bc they already know

[wicked coral]

you can parry it but like, the risk reward usually isnt there for most characters and its just not worth it at all. so you just have to run lmao

[solar owl]

I tell them... skill issue

[wicked coral]

duh im not saying its busted or anything, just that its dumb. esp with rage.

[solar owl]

I can see that yeah

[wicked coral]

ig? but i mean you shouldnt have to decide between timing a parry, or giving up stage control, no matter which way you spin it its dumb, esp when the punishment for missing the parry is death or 20+% and now you're in a position where you could easily die. Its dumb regardless, and shield will take away that crutch characters have with moves like that. theres scissors and paper but no rock to beat scissors so scissors is kinda busted in the meta right now. Rock is shield, and will beat dumb options like that. Shaggy kick has lag, but its not enough for me to go to canada and come back and then punish him, and its hard to avoid cause its fast and can go up / down. So like sometimes you are just screwed or frametrapped regardless that move is god.

also they can make moves dumb like that if shield exists cause then there will be counterplay, which means future characters / current characters could get cool new combo routes or moves / perks with shield being added. It allows PFG to do more with movesets, cause as of right now they have to consider how movesets will affect the game considering theres no rock

I will like shield and learning shield safety and negatives and optimal oos punishes etc. Im assuming most jabs and such are gonna be safe on block where as strongs or specials will be unsafe. and will be getting punished.

[solar owl]

I understand, my whole point is that once you stop screaming buff or nerf and make excuses and take the game into your own hands aka git gud.
You see through most of the bs and play around it
That experience is so fun and rewarding

And stop babbying your players pfg let them put in the work

[wicked coral]

Oh I 100% agree, but Im speaking as someone whos "gotten gud" and I still think its a dumb mechanic, I shouldnt be getting punished by them using a move and not hitting me which is exactly what happens when i have to run away or give up stage control. I have to put my self on ledge just because they used a move and whiffed. its so dumb. Im not saying to buff or nerf anything, Just saying that shield being added will buff and nerf a ton of characters. Like for example jake horse or shaggy side special will get mad nerfed when shields are added and make the game result in a more grounded gameplay. (which is already happening because jabs are so broken) so I doubt much will change except for those moves being easier to deal with. I agree with you though, Less things should be buffed / nerfed. ||NERF SMITH AND BUFF PPG THOUGH||

plus its possible they make a no shield mode who knows

[solar owl]

For me I just don't blame the game anymore but myself
I don't wanna win more matches bc someone's character got gutted It's not fun for me or my opponent
I wanna earn that shi and be punished for doing stupid shi
Adding more options to characters (Combo routes) but also I increasing the risk for attempting to do so to create more skill expression and so not every player plays the same is what I would do

But that's not casual friendly so I'll never happen
I'm just prepared for when all complexity is removed and when that does I'll just move on

[wicked coral]

I agree, thats a winners mentality. But some characters are 100% overtuned, the fact that smith can touch to death you AND has one of the best approaches in the game ontop of so many kill confirms and combo routes is just crazy. The pressure he can apply off of one neutral win is insane and so much better than what majority if not anyone else in the game can do. Why am i jabbed CENTER STAGE and somehow eating 50% plus im offstage and STILL getting pressured with gun / sairs. its absurd Ive mixed di and everything and hes still the character ive been touch to deathed the most by and its not even close.

his jab 1 has SO MUCH RANGE ITS ABSURD. it covers so much space its unironically a sword move. I swear its range is similar to jacks jab 1 (WHICH IS SAYING SOMETHING BECAUSE JACKS JAB 1 IS HUGE) and he gets so much off of it and its sooooo safe. the risk reward is so much in smiths favor its insane.

i also hope they remove the ability to turn around jabs, tbh its kinda dumb you can do that cause jabs are an impenetrable wall atm, you cant dodge through them you can only wait for them to stop and punish. I love getting jabbed center stage by smith at 80 and then he grabs me and turns around AND THROWS ME OFFSTAGE. thats crazy.

[solar owl]

TOD? You saw my combo😭 you gotta be pixel perfect for that players should be rewarded for stuff like that not punished

[wicked coral]

no? never saw anything you posted, just felt it in game.

[solar owl]

Oh lol

[solar owl]

Oh lol sry

[wicked coral]

repost it so i can

[solar owl]

FYI I forgot to mute my mic😭

[wicked coral]

i wouldnt mind smith being as broken as he is though IF other characters were up to that level (which they arent) and nerfing smith is a lot less work

[solar owl]

Batman was but he got gutted

[wicked coral]

this is cool and all, but the fact that bro died at 45 centerstage off of YOUR BUSTED ASS JAB IS CRAZY.

[wicked coral]

I mean yeah, but I still think hes super solid. Imo still lower top tier or somewhere around there

[solar owl]

I gotta be pixel perfect tho It took so many tries

Besides smiths Jab is super slow and has so much recovery 😭I keep getting hit when I shouldn't have

And if I miss I'm getting hit people in masters see through smith Instantly

[wicked coral]

bruh look at how much range this has. and its fast and safe you clip him here with a jab and he DIES. not many can do that lmao

[solar owl]

Shaggy can hit me at that range

[wicked coral]

feels like a lot of guessing, or reading. Cause its impossible to react to your roll in jab. Ig i could play air based but your sair approach and gun approach are also really strong so i cant really do that either lmao

[solar owl]

It is reachable I perry it all the time

[wicked coral]

you def outrange shaggy with this monster of a jab. His jab one is sooo sooo good dude.

[wicked coral]

do you react to the roll in or the jab? Cause ik damn well the jab isnt reactable. if you spam dodge everytime you see a smith roll at you you're gonna be burning meter fast. Not to mention its a guessing game and he could fake you out and punish your standing dodge.

[solar owl]

Both its easy with practice i don't blame the game Hold on I got gameplay I want you to see

[wicked coral]

bro its not an issue of blaming the game, hes objectively broken and probably the best character in the game right now and its not even close.

dude i went frame by frame, you have 10 frames to react according to your video. Thats absurdly hard to react to esp when you consider that parry ISNT FRAME 1.

average human reaction time is 250 milliseconds. Which means in a 60 fps game you'd need at least 15 frames to react to it consistently. smiths jab approach is 5 frames less thanthat (according to this video)

on trophys edge 1v1 smiths roll in jab approach covers almost half the stage, THATS CRAZY

[solar owl]

I play ALOT of Fighting games 10 frames are slow to me also check this anime fight

I think it's more frames than that

[wicked coral]

bruh the only way you were able to get off of ledge was by shooting him through the stage with gun, ONLY IN A DITTO IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET OFF LEDGE VS GUN LMAO

[solar owl]

Watch the whole thing it's epic

[wicked coral]

bruh im 40 seconds in and ive seen so many roll in jab 1's, and guess what, NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS BEEN PUNISHED. Christ that option is so busted.

[solar owl]

Keep watching 😭

[wicked coral]

with that being said though me and you should fight sometime, I need smith mu exp. I have a decent amount but id argue far from me confidently saying "i know the matchup" hmu sometime if you're down @solar owl

[solar owl]

Sure

[wicked coral]

hang on, do I need audio? I dont have headphones on atm

added you @solar owl

[solar owl]

I'm online rn