US-Idaho

[mellow girder]

i’d tap that.

[clear flare]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-mike-myers-yeah-baby-yeah-gif-1691826607058877752

Not gonna lie. The buttes are only 1000-2000ft higher than their surrounding areas around here but they give coverage as good as MHR lol. KBS (Kimama Butte Station) is ridiculous. Though apparently it's somewhat unresponsive apparently.

I never use it. Everything I do goes through ISR

[willow raft]

https://github.com/801labs/freq51/pull/17

I did the thing

[pine tapir]

I did a thing

[clear flare]

https://tenor.com/view/all-the-things-hyperbole-and-a-half-do-all-the-things-excited-gif-16018689

[willow raft]

Kimama is only like 600ft higher than the interstate lmao, but yeah, I need to visit it this weekend and figure that out

[mellow girder]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-thing-wednesday-yes-correct-gif-27433307

[noble jetty]

https://youtu.be/t5a8KrCR9tY?t=1186
@clear flare and others. Time stamped if you want to know where almost all of your buttes come from

[willow raft]

Our geography is OP

[noble jetty]

You say that but did you know Utah has super volcanos too. There's a second mantle hot spot plume it formed the Indian peak caliente calder, the Tushar mountains and now Monroe peak is directly over it. For now it's capped by huge mountains and won't erupt or is unlikely to erupt until the continent moves the hot spot location to the wasteland by I70

Hahahahha

The whole basin and range is interesting

[willow raft]

HACKING

[noble jetty]

There's 4 active volcanos in Utah but they erupt rather in frequently. Black Rock Volcanic Field, Santa Clara Field, Marysvale Volcanic Field, Hurricane fault field

There's the velo volcano in the Santa Clara Field hah

Back when lake Bonneville existed.. an underwater volcano rose to the surface and became Pahvant Butte

I love shawn wilseys channel. He talks about so much cool stuff in our states and wyoming

[mellow girder]

@willow raft whats this?

[willow raft]

The mdbook binary for windows

I accidentally committed it apparently

[mellow girder]

ha ha ok. no biggie ill kill it off

thanks getting the ID stuff added! looks great

[willow raft]

Couldn't be bothered to add it to my path so I just threw it in the working directory lmao

[mellow girder]

I have fam in american falls, maybe one day ill try to get them to hop on the bandwagon

they have massive windmills on their land.. so easy placement there.. at least if the people that put them there let them screw a node to it lol

[clear flare]

o.O so they have access to hills? 🤤

I actually don't know that I'd trust a build on a Windmill, don't they vibrate crazy bad?

[mellow girder]

prob lol dunno

[pine tapir]

Hang them on a rope

[willow raft]

preferably on the end of a blade

[noble jetty]

@clear flare can you add the new infra nodes to our page or get it to Littleton.

Like Danskin and stuff

[clear flare]

I’ll get Danskin and put up the ones for the others when they go up hopefully sooner than later

[noble jetty]

We got snoooowwwww baby

#1197577977781821541 message

[noble jetty]

@clear flare @obtuse quiver
Neighborinfo is it configured correctly on FPR and MHR to broadcast every 14400 over Lora?

[clear flare]

MHR should be. We’ll double check when we move over to make sure nothing is spamming too much or being too quiet

[obtuse quiver]

I believe so, I can check later.

[noble jetty]

Y'all switched over yet?

[clear flare]

Had to replace the Rak in ISR. Just finished and got it over. Heading back to do the hackerspace node and then home to do the rest of mine. All the infra should be over tho

[noble jetty]

Well it will probably take 24 hours for most node data to populate

Oh I see ISR and MHR

Hell yeah

Clear hops to MHR too

The strength to MHR is awesome too. FPR and MHR have a very strong link

[clear flare]

I still can't trace passed MHR lol maybe when everything settles in it'll be better

[noble jetty]

You should be able to. I just saw your node data show up. But also trace routes are unrealiable

We really should get a router up that's in between MHR and FPR as a failover

It really might be the best way

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Black+Pine+Peak,+Idaho+83342/@42.1419582,-113.1194967,12z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x80aae5b564473d99:0xe33b1bee078461d1!8m2!3d42.1201944!4d-113.1208256!16s%2Fm%2F0pd9g_b?utm_campaign=ml-ardi&g_ep=Eg1tbF8yMDI1MTAwMV8wIOC7DCoASAJQAQ%3D%3D

Would be ideal

Make it look like a weather station

[clear flare]

I agree, but there is no chance that I can make that happen before next spring or summer lol

[noble jetty]

@clear flare another thing. Are all your routers rebroadcast all

It's what I moved to and TRs became more reliable idk why

[clear flare]

Oh interesting. They should be but I’ll double check. See if I can get SidPatchy to double check MHR too

[noble jetty]

Let me know when you can see AUR. It's node info is quiet at 43200 but ultimately it sends out telemetry every 10-15 mins atm

It's 1 hop from fpr

@clear flare also don't feel bad if TRs don't make it. Like ultimately I have a 40% success TR rate to AUR and it's 1 hop from me LOL. I think something deprioritizes them

[noble jetty]

@clear flare are you f9b5

Something's wrong with my app but I can look at the debug panel and your msgs are there .. 3 hops

Still waiting on other node data

[clear flare]

I am

[noble jetty]

Yeah your getting through

TRs might be unreliable though

[noble jetty]

#1197577977781821541 message

Explanation of the high gain antennas

A more thought out one

[clear flare]

Saw that. It’s a good explanation. The triangle is delta right?

[noble jetty]

Yes

[noble jetty]

@clear flare how's all the Idaho linking going. MHR over?

[clear flare]

We're connected, though since not everyone has a high enough hop count set we don't get full freq51 convos. that's to be expected though. Still trying to poke and prod some of the folks who are less engaged to move over

I did have to fix ISR on the day of the change. my rakboard died so I had to steal one of the other planned deployments with replacements ordered

Also, got a couple more amps ordered to get an amped rak on Bennett. Hoping to get Bennett and/or Davis deployed this weekend.

I DID get a bit of interest from East Idaho. There's a guy in Teton who is going to put up a freq51 router somewhere around https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=D972V1XJ

Theoreticaly link to MHR @151 miles LOL

Also, @alpine crescent is scouting spots in Boise 😄

[alpine crescent]

Lucky Peak (aka Shaw Mountain) seems like it may be a good starting place.

Once we get an initial connection to Danskin or ISR, then we'll have to start working on some redundancy and getting more relays on MF51 around the valley.

[noble jetty]

Go ahead and set it to 7 medium fast. Can handle all of that

Our entire network right now is using about 0.33%, we have so much bandwidth available

[noble jetty]

That's probably not going to make it go butt put big Southern Butte up to help him out

I hope he named it Grand titty

😆

[clear flare]

Haha I agree. BSB will make a huge difference for them.

[noble jetty]

We need to figure out the BBS system. All BBS host nodes should be set to seven hops

[clear flare]

Mine are. That being said, I think we need to settle on whether or not we use !cmd or just cmd

[noble jetty]

Fpr is doing well. I've been monitoring its BBS link for peers and it seems to be listening and there seems to be replies

[clear flare]

does FPR just respond to commands without hte bang?

or does it need the bang?

cause my bbs is calling just bbslink and it's not pulling any messages from FPR

but I do see FPR's messages coming through

or rather FPR's link calls

[noble jetty]

@obtuse quiver

[clear flare]

He replied in the UT channel. I realized that the chats were a bit split so I just moved the quesiton over there lol

[noble jetty]

Let's get a concerted effort to move everybody to seven hops maximum. I want to see if that realistically hurts congestion anymore

[mellow girder]

@clear flare hey, so some weeks or months back i added Utah and freq51/intermountain mesh. any reason to add Idaho to it with the same link? https://meshtastic.org/docs/community/local-groups/#utah or since its the same no ?

[clear flare]

Oh yeah that'd be great!

I think adding it to ID would be good, even if they point the same way. Otherwise ID folks won't know where to look

[mellow girder]

ok can do unless @willow raft wants the PR

[clear flare]

If you have time, I'd say go for it

[mellow girder]

ok im on it.

[willow raft]

I've got nothing against you doing it :)

[mellow girder]

had it open so thought id offer

[mellow girder]

done on there and here https://github.com/ShakataGaNai/awesome-meshtastic just waiting for PR merges

[mellow girder]

hmm denied. how do we want to work this? this is go list idaho in their list.

@noble jetty @clear flare

[clear flare]

Oh dang. I wonder if it's just the same domain, or if we could forward it from like idahomesh.com LOL

IMO, having it in the United States section makes it kind of harder to find, because that's definitely my first thought to look for

[noble jetty]

You know I don't know how to respond to this.

[mellow girder]

we could trey go discuss it with him here. https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/871540428510474302

hmm.

[clear flare]

I mean, I guess it's not a BAD standard to have. If we did it, everyone would get to do it and that could balloon the page

make it more cumbersome to navigate

[mellow girder]

i guess. but would have an entry for idaho already the same or not. hmm.

[mellow girder]

hmm ya a few there like that.

dmv interesting.

[clear flare]

With ISR and MHR on freq51 I really did hurt Idaho’s mesh :O. can’t even see out of Twin Falls

On LF20

[willow raft]

I've been considering throwing a little placeholder site on magicvalleymesh.net (and intermountainmesh.com/.net) and giving it a little explainer on how it applies to Idaho before kicking them over to the documentation

I will work on that a bit today

[mellow girder]

cool could do that and just add that link to the PR then. name it magicvalleymesh instad lol in the PR that is to resovle the issue. .

[clear flare]

Would you rather use idahomesh.com? I own that one 😛

Or we could do both

[mellow girder]

up to you guys

[willow raft]

idahomesh.com is better imo

I will build something that works for all of the domains

[clear flare]

dope. just give me a place to point my records to 😄

[willow raft]

PR created
https://github.com/meshtastic/meshtastic/pull/2059

[mellow girder]

cool don’t forget to ping him here. https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/871540428510474302

[noble jetty]

Umbriel Keys Reset. Please delete the node and rediscover it

[clear flare]

MHR's G2 replacement is configed and ready to go up tomorrow. When we go up, gonna jump over to Cotteral Hills HP to drop the potential link down to NPR when it goes up.

Then just have to get Kimama back up and then we're back on track.

[noble jetty]

Fuck yeah I think that'll be good. Plus ultimately it'll be more reliable. FPR can remain a BBS link. I don't think that that's a bad idea. But there is enough hops in between both of those that bbs's on both sides that are manageable by people are so much better than putting the BBS on a hill

[clear flare]

I agree. My house is at most 2 hops from FPR

so if the change helps us get through hopefully it'll start working

cause right now it feels liek FPR is deaf to MHR

but also maybe the FPR filter will help?

[clear flare]

@alpine crescent here's another potential spot for a node 😛 https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=NEKCU2WF

[alpine crescent]

Holy moly, no kidding! Looks like a bit more of a trek to get to, but that's some freakin visibility lol. I may have to plan a drive out that direction and see how accessible it is.

I was also looking at this guy once we have an initial connection to the valley

http://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=M57XJV4A

There's actually someone up there now on LF20.

[noble jetty]

Por que no los dos

[noble jetty]

I have no idea what @obtuse quiver plans are for a v5.2 with weather, filtering and an 8 dB

[obtuse quiver]

Baymesh filter, BME680 from V4, no plans for 8dB.

[deft copper]

I think these are the best deal on antennas right now:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806241790045.html
I replaced the Alfa on WC2 with the 45cm (rated 7dBi) and it really improved its connection to the valley. I think that 45cm is the sweet spot. bash bought both the 45cm and 55cm versions. The 45cm I have measured have better SWR. The 55cm had a much more flat curve, but SWR wasn't quite as good at 915. I'll probably order a 35cm to measure too, but I need to get some measurements in a difficult spot first. Hopefully before we get more tariffs.

[obtuse quiver]

Good info, thanks. I picked up a 45cm.

[noble jetty]

Sadge. I've loved my 10 dB Omni 🤣

OP as hell

I've debated putting a 10 dB on AUR LOL

but it would become way to obvious

[obtuse quiver]

Do you still have that rokland one?

[noble jetty]

Yeah I still have the 8. I have three more tens

What color best blends up there

[obtuse quiver]

It's sticking straight out of a bright blue shack. There will be no blending in. 😂

[clear flare]

MHR-G2 is live

@noble jetty it got spicy. 15ft visibility. Ladder icing over while I was on it.

Started dropping snow pellets as we got down

[noble jetty]

Hahaha good times

[noble jetty]

What color is the tower I mean

[obtuse quiver]

Sorry, not sure what you mean. The shack is light blue, The T-post is dark green, the conduit is bare zinc coating.

[noble jetty]

I love those conditions. Amongst my favorite kind of weather

[noble jetty]

Okay so dark green would match the tower

[noble jetty]

Okay so rustic brown then

[obtuse quiver]

Me too, when you live in a dry place your whole life those foggy moments are really special!

[clear flare]

Cotteral is up. In theory, when Kimama is restored and NPR goes up it might be an alternate route

At least until we can get BPP up then it’ll convert to client

[noble jetty]

Heywhatsthat link?

[clear flare]

Coords

Best I got right now

If it doesn’t quite work, I won’t be terribly upset. It was literally a 30 minute drive from the Harrison Lookout, where I was parked

[noble jetty]

Solid maybe

[noble jetty]

It would have to be directly on the highest point though

I don't know if you gave me the correct GPS cords because it was a little off

If it's not directly on the highest point, it absolutely will not work

[clear flare]

I think I got it there. How tall is NPR going to be?

And how much a difference will that make?

[noble jetty]

I mean there's a keepout zone on the tower of the base of the tower.. that's at least 12 ft tall so we know it's going to be above 12 ft

The average keepout zone for the base of a tower is always 10 to 12 ft. As long as the tower is more than 100 ft tall obviously

I think NPR is a tower is 270 ft tall?

But a lot of the higher areas are already taken up by pc25 equipment and stuff

So there's pretty much just one available area. I just don't know how high it is up.

[frail hedge]

Tonight i need to reset my home node. Because don't know why i can't Bluetooth connect to it. And i need to get back to this stuff after now finishing everything else ive been doing

Hopefully the Bluetooth is working. Otherwise... I don't know c to c cable running down a tree?

[clear flare]

does it show up but won't connect? Forgot the Bluetooth connection on your phone?

[frail hedge]

I don't know if tvm hq node is active but.. i can't connect to the ndoe by Bluetooth anymore just never appears. So im assuming it might just be off

[noble jetty]

What's the status of all of Idaho being on 51?

[frail hedge]

51?

[obtuse quiver]

Freq51 is the name of the mesh that spans Northern Utah to Southern Idaho.

[frail hedge]

I can try to push for that. Because probably need to check my relays before the winter hits. And thus can set them all to 51 and whatever else

Probably medium fast as well im assuming

[clear flare]

Yeah. Here is the site: https://freq51.net

Has all the guidelines for settings

[frail hedge]

Ok, I'll look at it more tonight when i reconnect to my home node. And can see the mesh again

[noble jetty]

MediumFast is a goat'd present

Not much loss

Big increase in air time available to each client

@clear flare is Danskin switched to MF?

I don't see it on the node list

[clear flare]

It's not linked, so even if it was you wouldn't see it

It cant' see anything here yet

[noble jetty]

Awww needs another router in between huh

[clear flare]

I haven't got Davis or Bennett up

yeah

[noble jetty]

Maybe that Hayden peak you posted haha

[clear flare]

I had planned on doing Danskin and Davis up in teh same weekend, but Danksin took me 4 hours to get to one way lol

[noble jetty]

Bennet will take you some time as well but it's pretty goated if you can get up to the top and post it up

[clear flare]

Yeah, honestly I think Hayden is superior to both

it's 150 miles or so from Harrison LMAO so a 1w node up there with a good antenna might reach

Worst case it can drop down to ISR adn then up to MHR

[noble jetty]

Por que no los dos.
We have basically shown that you need routers on both sides of the valley. That's the SLC experience. And it unifies coverage.

[clear flare]

Oh for sure

[noble jetty]

Wonder if Hayden could see NPR LOL

[clear flare]

Danskin + Lucky + Bennett + Hayden would be very nice

Oh lawd

[noble jetty]

Imagine the jump

NPR - Hayden - Schaefer - every Boise node

[clear flare]

Whats the theoretical range when you factor in earth curvature?

[noble jetty]

Probably about 150-170 miles at 10k feet

[clear flare]

oof so hayden to MHR would be on the edge lmao

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=PG2JETX4

159 miles to MHR

124 to ISR

I remember when I was impressed by a 30 mile hop

[noble jetty]

I want to get permission to put up a long life stratospheric balloon

Take that longest hop

😂

[alpine crescent]

I'm hoping to get Lucky Peak up in the next handful of weeks, which should connect @clear flare and @frail hedge's routers.

[clear flare]

Will need to get Bennett and/or Davis up to bring it all in and convert Danskin over to MF51

[frail hedge]

Weird my home node was just off. But had power and everything in the ammo box was clean

But back online

[obtuse quiver]

What's your home node?

[frail hedge]

Tvm hq

[obtuse quiver]

I mean what's your board model, lol.

[frail hedge]

Um... The standard wisblock one. I have to check the exact number

[obtuse quiver]

Seems to be a thing that happens, I wonder if lightning can induce a brownout in some of these devices.

[clear flare]

Lmao goals for real!

[frail hedge]

would be weird since no strikes near my house in the suburbs. but all the mountain stuff is alive. I'm thinking maybe day night cycle, with the sun and cold nights, doing sometihng to the battery and solar. Just a very rare chance of power off for a split second

[clear flare]

Omg it’s alive

[alpine crescent]

Nice! Did you do anything to get it back up?

[clear flare]

Threatened it via building a replacement with a Heltec t114 lmao

[alpine crescent]

It knows...

[clear flare]

I think it actually just got run down and hasn’t had the voltage to turn back on because of the lack of sun

But some sunny days will hopefully replenish it

[frail hedge]

does anyone have a read on north and south tvm relays. i haven't picked them up yet since my reset of my home node. go the table rock one just fine

[noble jetty]

I wonder if you need more batteries in it and a bigger solar panel

What's its build

[alpine crescent]

Yeah, my mobile node received from both north and south within the last 5 mins

[clear flare]

10w18v solar panel through a waveshare mppt with 5000mah Eve cells. Runs the amp at 1w and a rak.

It ran for 2 weeks at like 15-20% airtime before it had like four or five days of cloudy skies

[noble jetty]

Yeah I'd have gone 20 watt lol just cuz this will give you trouble in winter

It's the amp that takes more than one thinks

Plus all the annoying led's on the wave share and the constantly on boost and buck converter

[clear flare]

it'd be easy to upgrade the panel

[noble jetty]

20 W acopowers on Amazon are nice

Sizeable but really nice

[clear flare]

I've got a 25watt eco worthy just chilling here 😄

[noble jetty]

That works too though those are even bigger

They have lots of sizes

https://a.co/d/bk6mKFH

Us built. A real quality output. Charges in extremely low light

And actually rated for up to baseball sized hail

[clear flare]

yeah i have a stack of different ones. i figured 10w18v would be plenty because according to docs old FPR was a 114+amp on a soshine

[frail hedge]

https://a.co/d/h6yIUdu

[clear flare]

but it had 1s12p

[frail hedge]

this si the solar i've used on all my nodes

long cable, cheap, durable, plug and play

[obtuse quiver]

It better crap gold too if it's gonna cost 30% more than the ecoworthy. 😂

[obtuse quiver]

I'm baffled by FPR v4's performance because the solar panel is absolutely dinky.

I guess the trickle charge was enough because it had a huge battery pack.

[noble jetty]

its a 1000x more durable lol

mine has survived hail

my soshines did not

ecoworthy might if it uses real plexiglass

[noble jetty]

it was a heltec

nrf52 based

they dont need anything

Its why I like nrf52s and dont usually care for 1 wat

VERY power efficient

[obtuse quiver]

Yeah, but I figured the amp would suck down a lot of power.

[noble jetty]

he had the amp set I believe for a specific amount of amplification

I think it was 4 dBm

bringing it to 1 watt

so not much power

[obtuse quiver]

Huh, it tracks. It was like at 85% still when I got to it.

Makes me wish we'd get a station G2 with an nrf.

[clear flare]

https://github.com/ndoo/ikoka-stick-meshtastic-device/tree/main

e22 + nRF 😛

[deft copper]

POTM has a Soshine. That thing has been up for like 2 years. It's windy as hell at POTM.
Gdane also did something smart/interesting, he cut a hole in the NEMA box to recess the bulge on the back of the panel into the enclosure and glued it right on. 90 degree is not great for solar, but apparently it's good enough with an oversized panel. Anyway so the cabling is all internal in the box. Nothing exposed to get ripped out.

[pine tapir]

I don't know who this is:
https://malla.freq51.net/packet/15317

but we didn't get that down to utah 🙁

So now that we’ve cleared up our congestion, are you guys hearing us out of Idaho?

[clear flare]

That is me

[pine tapir]

It's cool to see how many unique gateways heard it in malla

[clear flare]

The only explanation I have is that FPR is half deaf to stuff

[pine tapir]

FPR needs a filter

[clear flare]

Cause we get everything from you guys lol

Having more gateways could really actually help determine where a packet dies

That will be super nifty

[deft copper]

@obtuse quiver
You want me to make you one of these for FPR?
#1197577977781821541 message
Cavity filter would be better, but I think these are still good.

[obtuse quiver]

Is that a bandpass on a little breakout board?

[deft copper]

It's a murata filter soldered inline in a pigtail. No board at all.

[noble jetty]

It next to never gets hail though. I had hail smack a node in Huntsville lol. A lonely node

Also maybe make a box with an angled front so you can still recess it in but at 45 degrees

[noble jetty]

Ehh just give mt ogden a good filter

It will see MHR no problem

FPRs signal is good. There's not as much noise up by FPR as there is at NPR and POTM

Quieter environment even on the SDR

Much quieter

[obtuse quiver]

Might be easier to just angle the whole box and correct the antenna polarization later.

[noble jetty]

I mean you can 3d print boxes. Someone made a good model file for it and shared it on printables. Wouldn't take much to modify it in freecad if one isn't maximally lazy 😂

Like me

[obtuse quiver]

Why not both? The idea is to have redundancy it would be best if both links are as good as possible.

And printing a box big enough to fit the entire SoShine in would take forever!

[noble jetty]

I mean up to you. I thought you were done with FPR for the winter

Wasn't aware you had plans for the 5.2

[obtuse quiver]

I do, I'm waiting on Bash for my battery.

[noble jetty]

You don't have much time. The road closes Nov 1st down at the lower gates. You'll be walking for a very long time

Trust me I know. It sucks. That's how I almost wasn't a alive anymore

[obtuse quiver]

Doesn't look that snowed in yet from here.

Waiting six months to get anything done sucks is all. 😬

[noble jetty]

Then you might want to hurry

And you don't need to wait. You just need an alpinist. I'll go with snow shoes and skis

You need to make it perfect and reliable as this will likely be your last update for some time if you don't want to snow shoe

[obtuse quiver]

Snow shoeing sounds like fun.

[noble jetty]

Evo and Level 9 could probably outfit you or REI if you don't have any

And yeah it's fun. It's chill too.. you usually stay warm

[obtuse quiver]

But yeah, two weeks might be a little tight. I don't want to rush something out, but I think everything is accounted for this time. I want to upgrade the enclosure to a steel box.

Give that Rokland to Bash for Mount Ogden though. 😂

[noble jetty]

I would save the upgrades

You don't have time

It's basically do or don't in less than two weeks

[obtuse quiver]

Fair enough. Just the filter can be done this weekend.

[pine tapir]

No! We want him to use the baymesh3 he purchased

He has the space in his enclosure. It's going to be much better

[noble jetty]

Well then you have a time crunch is all I'm saying

[pine tapir]

I have the filter. Everything's ready. We just need to have him pick it up and take it up the mountain

[noble jetty]

Space Thursday?

[pine tapir]

Yes! I'll be there around 8:30 8:45

[deft copper]

Hey, will you bring your hot plate on Thurs? I would like to try and remove the Taoglas from one of my existing hats.

[pine tapir]

Here's my trick

It's been working well

I put it on my stovetop 😄

[obtuse quiver]

Mmm, lead residue where I cook food. 😋

[mellow girder]

it will puthair on your chest.

[clear flare]

@alpine crescent how’s the parts acquisition coming for Hayden?

[alpine crescent]

I got a good chunk of them today, actually! I'll be assembling the bulk of it this week.

Based on my schedule, I may not be able to drive down to place it until the following weekend, though.

[clear flare]

Awesome! If Hayden is anything like Harrison you might be ok before November. Pomerelle is still dry.

[alpine crescent]

Finger crossed. It was a little chilly and rainy today in the valley 🤞

[mellow girder]

@willow raft dang still needed special stuff done i see lol. https://github.com/meshtastic/meshtastic/pull/2059

[clear flare]

https://meshtastic.org/docs/community/local-groups/#idaho

but its up 😄

[mellow girder]

hah well done.

[mellow girder]

i still need to scoure through your info you sent me. add more to the docs.

[clear flare]

I'm pretty handy at documentation if I have all the details. Happy to help 😄

[clear flare]

@frail hedge @alpine crescent if the TV swaps to freq51 once Hayden is up and a link is established, is there a central location that should have LOS to 0 hop Hayden and potentially the others that could be home to a Meshing-Around BBS node? I can donate a Femtofox to this endeavor if needed

[alpine crescent]

That's a great question. I'd be happy to host in Star. @frail hedge may be a little more central in Meridian, but I suppose either could work. Maybe once the connection is established we can do some tracerouting to determine the best spot.

[clear flare]

If its at your house, it'd probably be best with grid power. they take about 1 5000mah cell/day

Or just rebuild what you're building for Hayden LOL

The nice thing is its all one piece. though you'd want to give it network access so you can remote in and tweak for fix it

Or just give it internet and a tailscale connection to me and I can do that LOL

[alpine crescent]

All eight 21700s 🤓 😅

[clear flare]

LOL

[alpine crescent]

Making sure it doesn't go down this winter lol. I'm making the battery trays removable, though, so we could tone it down next year if need be.

[alpine crescent]

Sounds good, I'm down to help get that up and running when the time comes.

[frail hedge]

ya i'm going to switch over, whats the link to the freq51 thing again. so i can post it in the mesh before i swithc

[frail hedge]

meridian is my home node. but pearl and melba are my relays

[clear flare]

https://freq51.net

or you can click get started on

https://www.idahomesh.com

[frail hedge]

thank you

[clear flare]

Might be good to coordinate with @alpine crescent when he's putting up hayden so you can do some testing in town. I should be down here in Twin to test from this end

[frail hedge]

problem is my relays are a hike, so getting to them is a pain in the ass to reach

[clear flare]

I believe in you! Take your new bride with you 😛

[frail hedge]

i wish i could, but i have more work before that can happen.

[clear flare]

So, for context. The reason for having teh meshing around bot somewhere that has direct LOS to hayden is to minimize hops to other BBS nodes. I'm 3-4 hops from the SLC BBS nodes and if you were 3-4 hops, if we synced every 30 min we'd have a solid bbs network that lets us post messages from anywehre to anywhere

[alpine crescent]

My plan is to head up to Hayden on Sunday, 11/2. I'll keep you guys updated on here.

[alpine crescent]

Do you have remote admin set up for them to switch setting over lora?

[clear flare]

I imagine they need to get updated too

[frail hedge]

No all manual. Because forces me to do inspections a few times a year

[frail hedge]

Next weekend i'm switching my nodes over to freq51 based on what idahomesh.com info says

So start of the new month should have nodes all updated firmware. And to the new freq plus medium fast speed i believe we all willbe on

[alpine crescent]

I'm planning on getting Hayden up tomorrow afternoon, so that'll be perfect timing!

[clear flare]

I'm gonna have to figure out how I can update and fix Danskin -_-

[frail hedge]

So we should be making a decent push see next few weeks to the change over

Also don't forget to post in the mesh. So people not on the discord can know

[clear flare]

I can't get to you guys

[frail hedge]

Well for your area

[clear flare]

Oh, I've got a node posting

via Meshing-Around

[frail hedge]

Haha i see it

[clear flare]

That one isn't mine 😛

But yeah

[frail hedge]

Funny how someone else thought of that name

[clear flare]

https://github.com/SpudGunMan/meshing-around

lol

[frail hedge]

oh

[clear flare]

its a slick app

Thats the BBS link setup that we're going to use across the whole mesh

[frail hedge]

i have a pi 3 and 4. i should use the 3 for a bbs node. someday

the 4 i still need to turn into a atac server

[clear flare]

i use OpenTak

[frail hedge]

i tried using freetak. but i don't know just couldn't get it going. but assumed i'm just doing something wrong

[clear flare]

it doesn't work

well it might

[frail hedge]

https://freetakteam.github.io/FreeTAKServer-User-Docs/Installation/mechanism/Manual/Installation/

[clear flare]

but freetak isn't developed

[frail hedge]

is the guide i tried

[clear flare]

https://docs.opentakserver.io/installation/installation.html

this is super easy

the dev is really good if you join teh discord

helps a lot and is super repsonsive

[frail hedge]

thank you, i will try it out proberly tomorrow. since gotta do media server work with a new hardrive. so might at well try opentak well in the tech support role

also you might find this build cool, if you haven't seen it yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofR7GFNZzJY

[clear flare]

i saw that

i wanna build a lorawan mesh down here

and tie it into atak

[frail hedge]

that would be cool. i had plans with doing atac stuff. but then life and marraiage, made money go bye bye. granted happy, but now i have future to plan for

idea was to intergrate the pi atac server into a very long flight drone drone. basically give you a mobile atac server that can have clear connection even in the mountains. minus exetremes

[clear flare]

lots of power on that drone to fly long enough

be better off with a baloon solution 😛

[frail hedge]

a decent flying wing, with flight controller, you can pack with a lot of batteries. or better yet just mini gas engine. and get a lot of flight time

hours and hours

also a gas powered drone, ive wanted to do. because thats just cooler. also ever since i seen a guy do mid air fueling with drones. i've wanted to do that. though his was more impressive because he did mid air recharging

i love seeing hobbiest make crazy stuff.

[clear flare]

Like building a function mesh taht covers 10000 square miles? 😛

[frail hedge]

ya

[clear flare]

that spans 2 states and 4 regions?

[frail hedge]

though if i had the money i would make a meshtastic chinese spy ballon. because... why not

sure it wouldn't help us for long. but.... would be cool to know how long it would travel the world

i would be arrested so fast if i had more expendable income. hahahaha
hell i once had a plan to build a liquid fuel rocket when i had a shop

[clear flare]

lol

[noble jetty]

I'm working on a wild idea. A battery drone.

If I want to keep a fixed wing electric drone in the sky constantly. I can send up a sort of tanker drone if you would. Recharge in flight.. and bring it down.. to charge and wait for the next interval

Adding that to ardupilot is gonna be fun

[frail hedge]

wait. do you mean instead of mid air rechaging like i mentioned. it's a mid air battery change??

[woeful narwhal]

anyone else super frustrated with the lack of reliability of Meshtastic? I just can't seem to get messages delivered reliably

[clear flare]

I've got 100% reliablitity down here in Twin.

Where are you at? How is your infrastructure?

[woeful narwhal]

I'm in Eagle, I have 3 nodes at my house, but can't get a message over to Star

i've been trying to grow things here for a while..... https://www.starhamradio.com/meshtastic

@clear flare I've taken my radios down to Hagerman before (a while back) and wasn't able to see a single other node......has that changed down there/

[clear flare]

might be interested to hear that Freq51 the Intermountain Mesh is getting something up on Hayden Peak hopefully today or next weekend weather permitting

[clear flare]

if you were IN hagerman probably not going tos ee a difference since they're in the canyon

[woeful narwhal]

I saw that freq51.... TVM HQ messaged about it on the long fast recently

[clear flare]

That's our map

Currently have a link from Mount Harrison that covers the majority of Southern ID that is ~130 miles to a peak over Layton in UT. kind of spotty atm but there are hopefully redundant links being set up soon

[woeful narwhal]

can you reach up to the Boise area via RF?

[clear flare]

If all goes well with Hayden, it should be a 110 mile link from Hayden to Indian Springs in the south hills or 150 miles to Harrison

It's happened before on LF20

but was super unreliable

So, Hayden and ISR and Harrison are all pretty high powered nodes. The answer is: "According to physics, yes"

and since we've seen it with FPR, I've zero doubt that we can do Hayden down to here

[woeful narwhal]

i used to have a radio up on the ridge in star, but brought it home to update the firmware and never put it back

it is a solar node though, and can run indefinitely

it's currently strapped to my back fence......but not really at elevation

[clear flare]

That's about all I deploy at the moment.

[woeful narwhal]

was thinking about putting it on the roof of my house to see what i can reach

Have you heard of MeshCore? https://meshcore.co.uk/

[clear flare]

My harrison router is a cavity filtered G2 with a 25w solar panel and a 3s8p battery back

[woeful narwhal]

I actually flashed it to a few nodes to test, and found it WAY more reliable and usable, but nobody else was using it

one of the coolest things about MeshCore is that is has a room server feature, kind of like a BBS where you can store messages

[clear flare]

Sure have, we were talking about it yesterday a little bit, but personally, the community is the biggest detriment. I lurk in their discord and they just talk all kinds of shit about every other mesh protocol warranted or not. Their attitude is very elitist. They also lack all of the tools and fun things that the meshtastic community has built like ATAK plugins, monitoring tools that patch in, etc

[woeful narwhal]

yeah, community is much bigger for meshtastic for sure......but reliability and usability was much better in my testing with MeshCore......I was really hoping for Meshtastic to catch up by now........i put the latest MT on all my devices, and am still left wanting

where can i find the meshcore discord?

[clear flare]

probably on their website

at least thats where I'd start lol

[clear flare]

This is a nice write up btw!

[woeful narwhal]

Thanks, it was just a quick and dirty page to help our ham radio group understand meshtastic and try to grow it up here

[noble jetty]

Nah mid air fast recharge. Use bleed air off the main EDF to cool the process

[noble jetty]

Are they on 51 hahaha

[clear flare]

Here, yeah. 😄

but the tallest building here is like 5 stories and there are only 55k people in "the city" lmao

so there's less obstruction, less RF noise, and less of, well, everything LOL

[frail hedge]

yelp thats me. hopefully that improves things if we all do a reliable change over

[frail hedge]

thats smart using the air speed as passive cooling.

[clear flare]

LF is only good up to about 60 total nodes from my understanding. once you're beyond that you need to start looking at other presets like med slow or med fast

also, go @alpine crescent go! Braving the weather for the mesh LOL

Operation Hayden Peak Deployment is a go LOL

[frail hedge]

a good relay on haydon will reach far. and if you make a ultra long range node with yagis you can really bridge any gap

[woeful narwhal]

@clear flare can you reach up to Boise via RF from down there?

are you already on the freq51 network?

[clear flare]

Yeah most of Twin Falls and teh couple folks in Burley is

[woeful narwhal]

does it reach up here?

[clear flare]

We are going to find out how Hayden peak works today

[frail hedge]

boise area atleast for my stuff will be switching next weekened

[woeful narwhal]

@frail hedge what nodes do you have up here?

[clear flare]

Hayden peak is getting deployed this afternoon. @alpine crescent is the one doing it and he's just getting ready to go up

[frail hedge]

i own the north tvm, south tvm, and table rock tvm relays

plus the tvm hq

so i'm basically surrounding the treassure valley

i think almost everyone in the valley has dirrect connection to one of my relays

[woeful narwhal]

@frail hedge I was DM'ing you earlier today!

from DSTR

[frail hedge]

i believe i responding. but i've been at store hurs ago and been chatting with friends

[woeful narwhal]

yes! thanks

[frail hedge]

i'll double check

i messages you

[woeful narwhal]

@frail hedge are you switching all your nodes to freq 51?

[frail hedge]

ya. that is the plan

because they are a network meat to surround and bridge the valley

[woeful narwhal]

it will be interesting to see how that affect the default long fast around here.......might really hinder it

i'll have to swap at least one of my nodes to freq 51 so i can stay on top of it all

[frail hedge]

i probably will do a once a week or 2 week pop over to the default. to send a message

[clear flare]

When I moved my infra over, it definitely had an impact on Twin Falls.

[frail hedge]

because my hq node reaches a lot

[brazen gazelle]

I detest when a regional group decides to buck the standard.... makes it so travelers can't tke part.

[woeful narwhal]

what is the reason for the switch?

[frail hedge]

improve connections, stablity, and also data push through

[clear flare]

@frail hedge @alpine crescent suggested, that if Hayden works well, you could probably leave TVM South on LF20

[woeful narwhal]

is the default overloaded? or will it be more reliable?

[clear flare]

LF is only really reliable up to like 60 nodes

[woeful narwhal]

it's too bad there isn't a way to bridge the separate networks

[clear flare]

Beyond that you need to switch otherwise the links are too slow and you get a lot of packet collisions

[frail hedge]

i can do that. but only if hayden can high reliably signal strentgh to other node

otherwise maybe tablerock i will switch over

[clear flare]

Yeah for sure. maybe do TVM south last and test the others to Hayden?

[frail hedge]

tvm i will freq 51 last. because it's the hardest hike

[clear flare]

and if you can, swap over a node at home if you have a spare to help test Hayden

[woeful narwhal]

how many nodes can MEDIUM_FAST handle?

[frail hedge]

my home node tvm hq i will flip between freq 51 and efault once a week or every 2. to broadcast the freq51 message

if my tbeams didn't breka i would just make them auto broadcast weekly. but damn antennas broke on both

though tvm hq i'll turn into a bbs node using my spare pi 3. if thats wanted, and i get the set up instructions

[woeful narwhal]

heck yeah! a BBS would be super cool

[obtuse quiver]

It's in the works. Dual radio nodes is a planned feature.

[frail hedge]

since bbs i know, is really good. since store and send STILL DOESN"T WORK!!!

[woeful narwhal]

yes, its one of the coolest things about meshcore, is that you can run a bbs on a standard node.....no need for a pi

[frail hedge]

plus bbs technicall can let you connection the west coast to the east coast

[clear flare]

I run a BBS down here. There are a couple in SLC and we are working out the linking for them. Getting more in Boise and East ID and then all linked is the goal!

[frail hedge]

if we properly intrgrate bbs. we don't have to worrying about always being conected, thansk to saved messages. and hop limit can be elimated

[clear flare]

Pretty much but the BBS links over RF, so there needs to be links somewhere lol

[frail hedge]

though funny enough we can also make node id numbers within a bbs network. basically phone numbers. so hop limit doesn't exist, so long as there's a way for the network to reach the target area

but gets messy if the node leaves it's noted region. unless you want extra overhead

because there i no real reason we can't have designated regions in the network with their own id codes. so instead of talk everyone. you can just message salt lake region. or only twin falls.
just requires a lot of coordition ot make sure all stations run the seme registry

[alpine crescent]

I'm en route with the RAK powered up in the trunk. Keep your eyes peeled for HPR_c312 on freq51 in the next couple hours 😎

[frail hedge]

will do

though i really should try to find a way to connect my home node to my computer. since bluetooth range can't reahc my room

[clear flare]

Safe travels!

[frail hedge]

so if anyone messages me and wonders why im slow to respond. thats why,

[alpine crescent]

Sounds like you need to get yourself a mobile node haha

[frail hedge]

hey now lets not give reasonable solutions

[clear flare]

Better plan, rebuild your home node with PoE and network and then you can just connect over IP

Then, instead of using your phone, you can get a server, spin up a vm, laod up ubuntu, connect the node to a terminal and use it at your computer

[frail hedge]

ya best to spend over 1000 to fix a 50 dollar problem

[clear flare]

THEN you can build virtual meshtasticd sim nodes that pass data packets over UDP and have 5 or 6 different nodes for different functions for FREE

Sorry, i thought you wanted unreasonable? 😛

[frail hedge]

though if i add my pi3 to it as a bbs node i can then use wifi to reach my computer

[clear flare]

Honestly, if you can get a good pi hat (i have one of the adv pi hats from frequency labs somewhere), slap a poe adapter on it and put that in a box is the way I'd go for a home node if you can't power an esp chip via solar

[frail hedge]

with enough solar everything can be solar power

[clear flare]

Unless you can get your hands on a nebra, but those look pretty dried up at the moment

I run my G2 on my roof off a 16ah 12v lifepo4 battery with a 25w12v solar panel

like $60 in hardware + the node

[frail hedge]

though i could run a cat cable all the way from the node to the crawl space, then up the wall to my computer

stupid but cat5 is like what 10 dollars a thousand feet

[deft copper]

Baymesh has been on Medium Slow with about 600 active nodes and they are switching to Medium Fast now probably because of congestion. Medium Fast has twice the data rate of Medium Slow, so presumably over 1,000 nodes. I don't think it scales linearly.

[frail hedge]

and thats a lot of nodes at 600 already

[deft copper]

Yes, honestly I think Freq51 would be better off on MS until we hit 500+ nodes.

[frail hedge]

to bad we can't easily do a multi speed set up. have nodes that can send and receiver on two freq and/or speeds at once.

so in a town everything can be short fast, then medium fast connecting towns, and so forth

because why push for speed to reach 100km if you just want to talk within 10km

well always wanting to share to those far.

but i know we can do that with two nodes connected to a pi. because the pi can just copy and paste from one to the other and vice versa

but a basic read write script wouldn't be the most eligent solution.

[clear flare]

Here's hoping @alpine crescent didn't get stuck on the side of a mountain :S

[obtuse quiver]

Hopefully he told someone nearby where he's going. 😬

[clear flare]

Presumably 😮

[clear flare]

Good news bad news. Good news @alpine crescent is alive. Bad news Hayden peak is already closed

So maybe once the weather clears and if he feels like bushwacking a ways Hayden peak may be beyond us until Spring

[frail hedge]

I will do the hike on foot if someone wants to come

Because thats an all day trek on foot maybe a camp at the peak

[woeful narwhal]

anyone in here control the website: https://freq51.net/migrate I think it might be good to list setting the freq to 51 in the ios GUI instructions

I have 2 of my 3 radios on Freq51 setup......waiting for people to pop up......so far nothing

[obtuse quiver]

Share a screenshot of your channel and preset config.

[woeful narwhal]

both are in my office though......not outside and not at elevation.......going to try to stick one on the roof tomorrow

off to bed, will check again tomorrow

[clear flare]

Hayden didn't make it up today

patience 😄

[frail hedge]

Remember the boise area only recently got the freq51 message. So will take time

[clear flare]

Definitely get the frustration when things aren't quite working though. I'll let @frail hedge and @alpine crescent work out how/when to tackle Hadyen. Alternatively, was thinking this could work in its place if it has to wait until spring: https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=K2DWSCFS

[frail hedge]

That is a spot we should tackle regardless i think. Because good range and coverage. For now would be a good stop gap until hayden. Because with roads to hayden closed, we'd have to backpack it. And i can assist in that, be would want it to be two man team.

[clear flare]

Brownik said it was only a couple miles from the peak, so if you could drive to the gate it might not be TOO bad

but if Bennett is easier to get to, it's honestly a bit more "middle ground" than Hayden is

More likely to get to MHR for sure

[frail hedge]

A few miles is easy then. I could solo that. But i aint trusting my honda to make it to the gate 😂

[frail hedge]

Ideally we want high (hayden) and mid (bennett) ground. Because we want high for range and mid for coverage

[mellow girder]

will do i’ll add that tomorrow thanks.

[alpine crescent]

There is another route to Hayden that may or may not be better. I went straight down through Murphy.

It comes in from the north, where my route came in from the south. The red circle is around where I got stopped.

[alpine crescent]

I guess Murphy doesn't show on this map but it's south of Melba.

Also, my route also said only 3 hours, but apparently it assumed I'd be going 55mph down these bumpy, windy, dirt roads 😂

Needless to say it took much longer...

[clear flare]

The back route is probably more oopen I'd image

[frail hedge]

That to china ditch, it says the same thing on those dirt roads. I think 55 is the default it assigns to country roads

[frail hedge]

How does the topo look for that spot

Tomorrow ill look on some hiking trail sites and apps. Maybe they have some details like a trailhead

[clear flare]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=XP6DTGTT

[alpine crescent]

Well shoot. The other way looks like it's actually BLM land.

[frail hedge]

Thats good

[frail hedge]

Looking at it, seems like if you can make it to turntable north or city range south. It's an easy trek the rest of the way.

Most time consuming part will be dig andq chiseling into the mountain for the antenna mast

[alpine crescent]

Maybe you and I should try driving that other way soon, @frail hedge.

[clear flare]

Depending on how far it is, See if you can do a C6 style "Fuck you hippies" install LMAO

10-12ft mast and concrete

[frail hedge]

Ya agreed. Assuming the roads are doable for me.

[frail hedge]

I mean i can....

[clear flare]

But thats heavy

so do what you can 😛

[frail hedge]

I set up my south relay well tocking my plate carrier with plates. Thats was an extra 20 pounds of bullshit. But good exercise

But pressure treated pine and galvanized brackets work best

Easy to carry in 4 foot beams. And light. Plus durable

Deck screws to tie together and also spike the foundation so it can be pulled out

[alpine crescent]

I've got a t post with pressure treated 2x4 mount I was gonna use. I can send you pics and deets tomorrow and we maybe can come up with a plan.

[frail hedge]

The 2x2 4 foots i found work perfectly

Plus cheap like 2-3 bucks

2x4 for foundation might be best if we want total height to be 12 feet

So 2x4 buried 2-3 feet in the ground with screws. Then 2 sections of 2x2 at 4 feet a piece ontop

[clear flare]

If your'e gonna go that high, I'd go with a 4x4, but that gets heavy

it's not a small rak build. it's quite the build that he put together 😄

[frail hedge]

We only need the antenna up. The module can be 5 fert high

[clear flare]

oh no the loss. better to be as close as possible. plus the antenna is mounted to the box

[frail hedge]

Ya true

[clear flare]

If it were a G2 and you could push more power to compensate for hte loss, i'd be less worried

[frail hedge]

And like hell we going to get the really high end cables for these things. Just to have almost no loss

Because we still operating in happy fun time prices

[clear flare]

IMO, for the regional connectors like MHR(Mount Harrison), Hayden, and Bennett we ought to keep them as tight as possible

Getting the distances we need to get means we need to optimize for as little loss as possible

[frail hedge]

Ya after you mentioned the loss i agree

[clear flare]

I think your plan of elevating the antennas for the nodes that are built to service an area are fine to do do somethign like that as long as it's not awful

But Hayden has to go 110 miles to get to ISR lol

[frail hedge]

God dann those skewers are good

[clear flare]

150 miles to get to Harrison

[frail hedge]

We could do a dual node set up

[clear flare]

thats more hops tho.

[frail hedge]

One runs a yagi and another rocks omi

[frail hedge]

True but if future planning for bbs. That matters less

[clear flare]

omnis work just fine IMO even with that plan

[frail hedge]

True but if we want max signal will quality to bridge distance a yagi will be more reliable. Will give less coverage. But that doesn't matter if it just needs to be point a to b with let problems

[clear flare]

Maybe when we decide to try to fold in Vegas to the Intermountain Mesh 😄

[frail hedge]

Haha ok ok i get the point

[clear flare]

Most of hte places that even these routers are gonna go are going to dual purpose service an area AND bridge regions, so, we could try an omni aiming at MHR from hayden if the omni's other lobes can still cover enough of the TVM

and that might not be a bad idea. I've jsut not experimented with yagis at all so i know their directional is strong but i dont' know how good the lobes are

[frail hedge]

But to test it we would beat be doing it in easy to reach locations

[mellow girder]

better? https://freq51.net/migrate

[woeful narwhal]

yes, thank you. Wasn't meant as a criticism btw.....just trying to help make the transition easier

[mellow girder]

Oh no for sure. thank you for the suggestion. more info we can add to make it easier the better. thank you!

keep them coming 🙂

[alpine crescent]

Just noticed step 2 in the Android instructions doesn't include changing the freq slot to 51. 🙃

[frail hedge]

Thats a pretty important step

[mellow girder]

thanks. forgot. i only did it for IOS. thanks. dont have an andriod to get a image from but will work on that.

[alpine crescent]

The screenshot that's in there already looks good, just need to add it in the bullet point list.

[mellow girder]

thank you sir

[alpine crescent]

Thank you for getting that put together!

[clear flare]

😛

[mellow girder]

lol

[woeful narwhal]

Anyone in the Treasure Valley switched over to freq 51 yet? I have 2 radios and don't see ANYONE.

[alpine crescent]

I have a few switched over in Star.

My rooftop node is on Freq51, along with a couple of my mobile nodes, but medium fast may not punch as far yet without some relays switched over.

That should change dramatically this weekend though lol

[woeful narwhal]

ok, i have one in my backyard, and one in my office........if it warms up, i might put my outdoor solar node on the roof and see if that changes things

[frail hedge]

I know a few are waiting for my stuff yo switch over because of the coverage i provide

And that will happen Saturday

[frail hedge]

I genuinely feel pride knowing i keep seeing people mention in the mesh. That because the tvm is changing over they will to.

Though i should post another reminder today

[woeful narwhal]

i put my solar node with a good antenna on my roof.....waiting for first contact

[frail hedge]

You probably won't see too much until after this weekend

Because once i switch my stuff over. Basically everything in the valley is visible to each other.

Though i wish star radio node we know who that is

Because that dude is visible somehow everywhere.

[noble jetty]

@clear flare status of maybe getting Boise in on the Freq51 mesh..

Not sure what channel those homies are on

[clear flare]

Hayden hopefully this weekend. The TVM relays are happening this weekend. @frail hedge is spreading the word.

[frail hedge]

This weekend it goes down

[noble jetty]

Holy shit. Hell yeah

[clear flare]

@frail hedge you can point people to https://freq51.net/migrate

[noble jetty]

This mesh is gonna be So YUGE

[frail hedge]

Saturday i have 3 change overs. Sunday we put up a new node at hayden

[noble jetty]

Let's hope we can comms in less than 7 hops between SLC and Boise

That will be a milestone

[clear flare]

My count, if Hayden can hit MHR, Boise <> Hayden <> MHR <> FPR <> beyond

[noble jetty]

Assuming it all works @frail hedge @clear flare please get with @pine tapir and @mellow girder to PR allllll of the infra into the infra page

[frail hedge]

We can do that in 3. I planned a route out before ocer a year ago when i originally planned the link up

But it requires work

[clear flare]

If the butte north of Twin hits Cotterel and Cotterel can hit NPR? Boise <> Hayden <> Flat top <> Cotterel <> NPR <> beyond, but that’s a pretty big maybe I think

[clear flare]

We will do a PR to add it for sure

[noble jetty]

🥳

[frail hedge]

We all need to post in the default mesh about the change over

[noble jetty]

Take that AX.25 sad ham

Who removed equipment

[frail hedge]

To ensure all are informed

[clear flare]

Agreed. Post that like a couple times a day and before you switch each relay

[frail hedge]

Ya i plan to post again tonight

Then tomorrow before work and again tomorrow then and then Saturday morning

And until i change over the south relay i will jump back to default once a week to post. Then after then once every two weeks for a few months

Just to make sure no onc eis left out of the loop

[alpine crescent]

I plan on keeping one of my Heltecs on the default settings for a bit as well to monitor what's going on there after the switch.

[frail hedge]

If i could i wish i could have s node just shoot a canned message on a timer.

[frail hedge]

I imagine the traffic will cut down a lot since a few of us are part of the main coverage for our areas

[alpine crescent]

Also, am I understanding correctly that transmitting to a favorited node does not add to the hop count? Like if HPR has ISR as a favorite and vice versa then that's a zero hop link?

[frail hedge]

Yes but that's for a future update i think 2.711 he said

[alpine crescent]

Ah, right. K cool, that'll be a big one.

[frail hedge]

Oh without a doubt that will change so much

Now if only store and forward could be made to work... Because ive wanted that to work for over a year

[late estuary]

The meshing-around bot can do that amongst other things.

[frail hedge]

Thank you for the tip. I'll look into that

[late estuary]

You’re welcome. Assuming you already have a Raspberry Pi to use, it’s pretty simple to get up and running.

[frail hedge]

Ya a pi 3 i have

[late estuary]

Well, sounds like it would do exactly what you want. You could set it to fire off an automated message every hour/six/12/24 hours whatever you would like.

[frail hedge]

Thank you, appreciate the info.

[frail hedge]

today be the day

[clear flare]

Good luck! Be safe. Hollar if you have any questions when you get up there if you have service

[frail hedge]

i have service when at my node in pearl, but not so much the final mile leading to it

all the dips in the hills and such

[clear flare]

Well, screenshot the config page 😛

[frail hedge]

im just wondering if change over my hq before i go or after

i feel before would be best sic ei know it have direct to my nodes

[clear flare]

I’d change it first so you can have something to try to trace route back

[frail hedge]

ya thats what i'm thinking

maybe set it to broadcast as fast as it can

so it's pinging quicklyinstead of slow

[clear flare]

Yeah

That way it’ll pick it up

[frail hedge]

what do you thing would be best setting to change for that

rebroadcast i'm thinking. but maybe the node data one might be better

[clear flare]

Node info broadcast interval. Set it as low as you can. Like 1800

[frail hedge]

ok

[clear flare]

And don’t forget to add your HQ node’s public key to the admin slot. And Brownik’s

[frail hedge]

ya i have those saved already

because i don't to make that mistake after 1 hour drive

[clear flare]

Definitely LOL. If @alpine crescent can today, see if he can test remote admin once it’s up.

Though he may have to drive to get connection idk

[frail hedge]

ya once i have it configure and detecting stuff i plan to message him

if my north is working, it should be visible basically anywhere that can see the north mountains

basically prospect peak, if you can see it you can get my signal

[clear flare]

Love it

[frail hedge]

i wonder how the pile of boulders holding up that tower is doing. because i had to secure it orginally by just stacking rocks around it..... I think i moved like 400 pounds of rock before it finally was holding good

I need a personal node again. But wondering if i should do 10k mah battery or a 5k. Because at first for meshtastic but eventually will be a tak node for hiking and such

[clear flare]

If it’s just for a node, 5k would be enough if it’s nrf

[frail hedge]

But eventually with a halow module and i think a pi zero.

The 10k sounds like it becomes more needed. Also thinking if needed i can toss into a relay if a battery replacement is ever needed

[frail hedge]

@clear flare ive reset nodedb but nodes are still showing up

[clear flare]

Did you change from LongFast to Medium Fast?

[frail hedge]

Yelp but the nodedb form long is still there

[clear flare]

Oh. That is probably just a bug on your phone

Can you trace route anything?

[frail hedge]

Let me try

Ill switch from my tablet to phone see if that changes it

[mellow girder]

ya app cache / bug issues.

[clear flare]

When you swap, double check your settings to make sure it took

[frail hedge]

Im clearing the cache for the app

Trying that

Still showing old nodes

[clear flare]

Can you trace router anything tho?

[frail hedge]

Nope tracing aint going anywhere

[clear flare]

Ok. I bet if you plugged it into your computer and looked at it in the client site they’d be gone

It’s just a buggy phone thing

[frail hedge]

Reinstaling thr app

Ok that worked

[mellow girder]

android ?

i found when you clear app storage it works. not just the cache.

[frail hedge]

Ya

Getting i got right it seems

I can't see to set broadcast lower then 3 hours using tab

Well the app

[clear flare]

That’s fine leave it at that. Eventually it’ll want to be a bit higher anyways

[frail hedge]

Im trying to force broadcast now using chat

[clear flare]

Rebooting also does it

[frail hedge]

Hoping if i send out 3 texts.. something bounces back

[clear flare]

Are the relays changed over?

Or is that your HQ?

[frail hedge]

No just hq

[clear flare]

Might have to go get a relay swapped before anything crazy happens.

[frail hedge]

Ya

But was hoping i would get a bounce. Since my hq can reach pretty well

16 feet up in meridian gives pretty good range after all with how flat things are

Ok off to the relays

But those settings i posted are correct. Yes

Because from the guide they look exact

[clear flare]

Yep

[frail hedge]

Ok good

Also anyone know something good around eagle or boise. Was recommended kb burritos. Because im traveling all day so got not time to kitchen

[clear flare]

KB burritos is good

At least the one down here

[frail hedge]

Was told there salsa bar is good

[turbid ginkgo]

A second vote for KB if you're in that area

[mellow girder]

@frail hedge how’s the relays?

[frail hedge]

Pearl relay up but connection troubles

They can see my messages but i can see there's

Anyone got a drone that can fly me up a blanket. Ahhh this wind is stronger the the death laser we call a sun

[frail hedge]

Tvm pearl relay (formally north) os now switched

[mellow girder]

figure out its comms?

[clear flare]

Yeah. It’s all working now. Just some standard troubles of nodeinfo and getting confirmations

He’s off to do another router before the big trip tomorrow to do Hayden

[mellow girder]

coolio.

[frail hedge]

Time to drive from pearl to tablerock

Then hike up tablerock

[clear flare]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=W6IBMR2A

gonna get the rest and then put together info for the website

[turbid ginkgo]

Great wx for the work today.

[frail hedge]

Shadow valley estates sounds like an area villains live

[frail hedge]

Anyone got updates on medium fast. Node count and mesaging

[clear flare]

Not seeing anything down in twin yet, but I’m thinking that Hayden will get it established

[alpine crescent]

My rooftop node has seen 20 nodes so far!

[turbid ginkgo]

Eeyor's, Gingers and Symphony are me (5 nodes), TVM'sx2, KN6BU's x2, Johnnytastic and Ragequit01 are what's been spotted so far.

[frail hedge]

Good to here, thank you for that information

[frail hedge]

Oh if messages aren't going through

What you have to do is reset your security key

And reset node database

[turbid ginkgo]

hit me up (eeyore rak) so I can catch your newnode info... I hadn't reset my node before the cut over (probably why I couldn't DM "TVM HQ" earlier)

[clear flare]

a nodeDB reset helps a ton if you havne't

just in case keys get updated

[frail hedge]

I pinged in chat

[turbid ginkgo]

gotcha, hit "exchange user info" to try to get an updated entry... screens hot in one moment

[frail hedge]

Never saw your message

[turbid ginkgo]

you aren't showing up my node list, but I'm catching broadcast from you

[turbid ginkgo]

going to grab a traceroute from my end

[frail hedge]

Got ya

Trying to trace route again. But not getting you after thefirst

[turbid ginkgo]

I have a Client_Base (Symphony) running, I can cut it off if we can't make a circuit

[clear flare]

SLC folks reporting that Trace routes can be finicky depending on density

Client_Base should be fine assuming the only favorites it has are your nodes

[turbid ginkgo]

(can't imagine it would be an impact unless we hit some collision magic)

[frail hedge]

Got ya

[clear flare]

I'm assuming not everyone has moved over yet, but it'll definitely smooth out as they do

[turbid ginkgo]

it's some tricksy stuff

[frail hedge]

Eventually if you trace route enough you get through

[clear flare]

Can't wait to see hayden connecting us up.

[frail hedge]

Hopefully it does. Since no gurantee

[clear flare]

Well, I have a pretty high degree of confidence

[frail hedge]

You see my direct messages?

[clear flare]

But, I also am VERY curious if it'll hit MHR LOL

That one is possible in theory

150 mile link LOL

[turbid ginkgo]

negative - I think one of us has an unreliable path

[turbid ginkgo]

if the ISS can make the shot...

[clear flare]

lol

[frail hedge]

Ya getting no connection to you now

[turbid ginkgo]

I'm going to drop my Client_Base out of the equation

[frail hedge]

What even is client base

[turbid ginkgo]

if behaves as a router for "favorite" nodes

[frail hedge]

Ahh ok

[turbid ginkgo]

I can imagine it causing collisions

[frail hedge]

That would be useful

Though i still haven't spotted my tvm pearl relay

[clear flare]

Just a matter of time and others converting over too probably

And Hayden could help

It's gonna be pretty monstrous. Cavity filtered 1w + 5.8dbi antenna

[frail hedge]

A private went through but the second stoped

[turbid ginkgo]

some cool mojo... the pictures of the tiny cavity filters were really cool... I'm not an infrastructure guy, but have seen pictures of 2m filters that look pretty darn huge

[frail hedge]

Also in public i saw you and respojnded

[clear flare]

915mhz aren't too huge, but definitely the biggest thing in the box

[turbid ginkgo]

got an update for you in node db - I think we got a solid ckt with key exchange

[frail hedge]

But connect is spotty between us it seems

Do you see the pearl relay

[turbid ginkgo]

fwiw, on the freq51.net page if it's not stated the nodedb reset may need to be mentions (also, I'm not the best at following directions - so may have missed that step. If so, apologies.)

[turbid ginkgo]

nothing on Pearl - but I am willing to go on Node safari tomorrow

[clear flare]

i don't know if it is. i'll check. I don't think it's required, but it helps when there are keys that get regenerated

[frail hedge]

Nah a you good, because we screwed up reset the security keys

I got pearl yes

Just tracing it now to clear connection info

[turbid ginkgo]

I am getting a repeated failed connection on DM's to HQ

[clear flare]

Might just delete the node and let it rediscover?

The key was regenerated earlier

[frail hedge]

He did

[clear flare]

oh i missed that ;O

[frail hedge]

Ive gotten 2 failed messages in public

[turbid ginkgo]

samsies

[frail hedge]

That one passed

[clear flare]

tbh, you're kind of limping tonight without TVM south or the new hayden

I'd be curious to see if these same issues occur after that happens

[frail hedge]

Failed again, and this with clear connection to a few nodes. Thus nothing is catching

[turbid ginkgo]

think I made it through on the freq51 channel

[frail hedge]

I see your one message

But... I'm failing

[frail hedge]

Nothing

[turbid ginkgo]

the mesh is fickle

I just caught: "Yes or No"

123456879

123456789 10 11

[frail hedge]

Im trying to see if digit amount is effecting things

[turbid ginkgo]

3dhomejoe spit it out man! What's on your mind.

[raven thorn]

I switched one of my nodes about 24 hours ago here in Kuna but I am not getting anything. 0 Nodes 0 Messages. Do these settings look correct?

[frail hedge]

Weird result here

[clear flare]

Yeah

[clear flare]

It does, but infra just changed over tonight

[turbid ginkgo]

I caught "English words" but not "Number of words is"

[frail hedge]

1 bit yours is on 8bit, pretty sure doc said 1 bit

[clear flare]

The web client is off

but, check it on mobile?

[frail hedge]

See if text amount effects your success

[turbid ginkgo]

that bit setting - where is that available in the Android client?

[frail hedge]

Weird nothing else had this problem

[frail hedge]

Not on the app

[clear flare]

In the Channel setting

[turbid ginkgo]

standby - you've missed some stuff

[frail hedge]

Ok so yours has failed at a chracter limit as well

But also some stuff didn't reach me

[clear flare]

Character limit isn't an issue

lack of nodes is the issue righ tnow

Don't go crazy chasing ghosts yet 😛

[turbid ginkgo]

So not coliisions, but turn around time on rebroadcasts?

[clear flare]

MF is like 4x the speed of LF

so collisions is less of a problem now than before

It's also less forgiving

It's got a smaller link budget than LF

That means that if you were on the edge of reception before you're not getting there now

The fix to it is more nodes

So, it's almost there between the two of you as it is

but IMO, see what Hayden does to improve things tomorrow and get a few more folks moved over

[frail hedge]

How many 1 did you get. Because i get 10 and only 4 say confirmed

5 are just stuck in limbo

[turbid ginkgo]

you want, try it again in DM

[frail hedge]

Ok

[turbid ginkgo]

my understanding is channel chat works via flood routing, DM's use last reliable path routing

[frail hedge]

10 sent

[turbid ginkgo]

my expierence is that the mesh cannot be relied upon to note delivery state, I have had false negatives and more worringly falso negatives

screenshot coming

[frail hedge]

3 confirmed on my ends, 5 limbo, and 2 failed

[turbid ginkgo]

did you get a "message a" from me?

[frail hedge]

Yelp on public

I mean private

[frail hedge]

I don't see those do you

[turbid ginkgo]

no

no changes in public since my screenshot at 2227

(I also have no nodedb entry for brownik nodes)

tomorrow, I can run a node up on a ~30' mast and let it run in "client" tomorrow

[frail hedge]

Ok, maybe we are getting interference on this freq?

[turbid ginkgo]

@clear flare what are your thoughts?

[alpine crescent]

That's strange cause I have like 5 of them on Freq51

[turbid ginkgo]

I'm in SE Boise, Bowns Crossing area

you're out in Kuna?

[clear flare]

all my thoughts are here 😛 #1203524130410860585 message

[alpine crescent]

I'm in Star

[turbid ginkgo]

I think a simplex shot from Star to SE Boise would be a stretch, I'm below the bench

Malice says we need more nodes

[clear flare]

I think that until infra is done and you have like 75% of people that you won't have an accurate representation of what it really looks like

I think patience is a key step in thsi process 😛

[frail hedge]

But makes no sense we need more nodes if the nodes connected cleanly with good los aren't working

[alpine crescent]

Well, we're getting Hayden up tomorrow, so hopefully that will help a bit.

[clear flare]

It dpeends 100% on how strong of a connection you had previously

[turbid ginkgo]

@frail hedge I'm no sled dog, but I've done a handful of winter SOTAs, I can 'shoe up and get to within bluetooth range of some towers if need be.

I know our window on "easy" is closing

[frail hedge]

Same, i can get anywhere i need to.

[turbid ginkgo]

I will watch from my chair and drink hot chocolate on your behalf!

[frail hedge]

Also what the fuck, table rock is now unmessageable

I had that setting off, but now it's on again

[turbid ginkgo]

rock or rovk?

[frail hedge]

God damn it

I mispelled the bastard

[turbid ginkgo]

sorry champ, I mentioned it while I assumed you were up there

[frail hedge]

Well hopefully brown can remote fix it

Traces on both relays from base plus nodedb data

[alpine crescent]

If I can get any transmissions through 😅

[frail hedge]

If being the big question

[clear flare]

that -10 snr tells me you're right on the edge of reception. if you dip to -11 or -12 and chances of getting through a pretty low

[frail hedge]

Nothing i have on direct. Everything is bouncing to the relays

[clear flare]

have you gotten any signal metrics telemetry?

[turbid ginkgo]

I'm checking out for the evening. I don't have discord on my phone, but am around for troubleshooting from my end typically in the evenings.

I greatly appreciate the TVM infrastructure and all the work that's going into this Freq51 effort. Guys, this is some cool stuff, thank you.

[clear flare]

curious that your trace is so far off that

[frail hedge]

Maybe jus how the app records things?

Tablerock received my private message. Pearl is still instantly denying me

Maybe both need their nodedb wiped again

[clear flare]

How many folks have moved over would you say?

[frail hedge]

The relays perfectly see everyone, because they had zero trouble seeing peopleand messages. But people have trouble reaching the relays, thus have trouble reaching others

[clear flare]

That's pretty normal

Infra nodes tend to be really loud and have clear sight to people

but people often times have sub par antennas, are in noise areas, lots of other factors

[frail hedge]

But in this case it's bad

Because people need clarity to the relays

[clear flare]

That's literally everyone's scenario

[frail hedge]

Reliablity above all, because messages at mach jesus aren't fast when they cant go awhere

[clear flare]

I agree

[frail hedge]

This was a concern when i proposed going to medium fast in boise like 8 months ago

That it wouldn't effect reliablity of getting messages out

Plus not be fruitful if not enoug people

[woeful narwhal]

should we have reliable traceroutes? because I'm not able to traceroute to most nodes

[clear flare]

Trace routes in SLC are about 50:50. down here in southern ID they’re pretty reliable but we don’t have as much everything as the treasure valley or SLC

[woeful narwhal]

I'm up in the Treasure Valley

well, if i'm having trouble getting traceroute through, wouldn't that mean i'm also likely to have problems getting DM's and message through?

[clear flare]

No. We have been seeing traces fail but messages going through

Trace routes are lower priority and will get dropped on occasion

[deft copper]

IME if you're getting 50% on traceroutes, your message delivery should be pretty reliable. You should do your own testing though.