US - Utah

[prisma saddle]

I think malla does a good job at it. but ya grafana can provide a good layout too.

[real cedar]

Malla?

I see it now yes

I'm gonna get all my LF nodes on the new slot 0 channel today in prep for tomorrow

[prisma saddle]

https://malla.freq51.net

[real cedar]

Holy shit aur and fpr do a lot of hefty lifting

[main stag]

Yeah I tried making a grafana neighbor info map but struggled. Went the python route with a grafana panel that imbeds the map with an iframe. For the rem-labs dashboard.

[prisma saddle]

looks great though. you did good.

[main stag]

Thanks! It really filled out when we did the neighbor info over mqtt test.

[prisma saddle]

during covid when i got my homelab setup did a lot of grafana with server logs and vcenter and esxi and idrac. very out of practice now.

[leaden crow]

Not the end of the world, but WC1 and WC2 might be stuck on LF51 for 8 months. I've got my fingers crossed the ~80F days forecast for next week could melt the mountain snow.

[prisma saddle]

wow. dang!

no ra?

[leaden crow]

I had the primary key my tracker which I could never get to work from the valley. Last time I was up there, I made dsr1 primary admin key, but it didn't take (thanks iOS app).

[prisma saddle]

oh dang!

[leaden crow]

Not sure how it didn't work. I changed the key, saved, restarted the node, restarted the app, verified the key.
Still didn't work once I got home. I could get the admin messages through, got key mismatch (or whatever, don't remember exact error).

I may try just a few more times before everything switches tomorrow.

[prisma saddle]

dang . figures

[inner jay]

Seems we got a lot of people moving early. My node list is filling up on MF 😊

[prisma saddle]

wow crazy

[real cedar]

OH HELLLLL YES

SNOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW

Also bad ass. Ceres the longest link

Idk why lol

FPR to MHR is longer but I'm guessing something's up with getting it's node data

Ceres strong though 💪. 91km and it's -7 dB haha

@prisma saddle who hosts malla? We should reset the data when we move to medium fast

[inner jay]

Odd, just tried resetting the nodedb on the latest beta app and it didn't clear

[prisma saddle]

bash. and i was thinking the same. had it written up to suggest if. then was like. hmm what if he wants that data.

anyway ya. it’s just a db file. easy to save

[real cedar]

So this is an optional step. I didn't have to clear my node data to switch and see people

[inner jay]

I ran into the beta glitch. Got it sorted

[inner jay]

Trying my first DFU update. Wish me luck lol

Thats a new error. "Compromised keys were detected and regenerated"

[obsidian storm]

NPR will be huge once it's cleared up

[obsidian storm]

I'm hosting it

[real cedar]

Nice will you clear the data when we move to MF

[obsidian storm]

Yes

I'll do the same for meshview

But I'll back them up so we can review later

[prisma saddle]

@obsidian storm what sdr is in that nebra??

[acoustic mason]

Most of my nodes have been moved over to MF51. All have long names that start with MEC. I probably won’t be able to switch over MEC UV North Base until Monday morning.

[real cedar]

I appreciate those switching early. You reduce network congestion on long fast when us router owners need to RA tomorrow

[leaden crow]

It's this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Nooelec-RTL-SDR-SDR-100kHz-1-75GHz-Enclosure/dp/B01HA642SW

[prisma saddle]

thanks buddy.

[obsidian storm]

Do you know for sure they're waterproof?

[leaden crow]

You'll have to ask nullrouten about his. The Acasom are waterproof, but I think the only give that designation to N-connector models. Maybe they do more sealant and coating wise?

[obsidian storm]

Yeah. These are not waterproof. I just checked

[vernal kindle]

Anyone have one of the new heltec v4?

[leaden crow]

Maybe my admin keys are fine? I might have actually switched WC2. I have it trying every hour.

Set lora.modem_preset to MEDIUM_FAST
Writing modified preferences to device
Waiting for an acknowledgment from remote node (this could take a while)
Aborting due to: Timed out waiting for an acknowledgment

[haughty moon]

Okay weird bug. Swapped one of my nodes to MF this am and haven’t heard anything. Switched the LORA region like 3 or 4 times like 20 minutes and now it works

[leaden crow]

Weird. You might want to do a full node reset?

[haughty moon]

Last time I had these issues I don’t think that even did it

[real cedar]

AUR is now MediumFast

AURs nodedb is confirmed cleared

AURs channels are confirmed configured

Trace route from 1300 S is extremely strong at 13.73 dB SNR

RSSI is -69 dBm

That is fucking beautiful. I'm off to go home now

[real cedar]

Telemetry rate doubled and down to 900s for the purposes of quick Node Discovery through the week

[real cedar]

The full local cluster is switched
Jupiter
Ceres
Umbriel
Umbra (hidden for now)

[pseudo kestrel]

I can directly see AUR from my bedroom (through two walls)

[RxTr > -10.25 dB > AUR] [AUR > 5.75 dB > RxTr]

[reef ridge]

FPR's rollover to MF is complete. ✅

[prisma saddle]

nice!

got mine moved over last night and roof this morning.

@obsidian storm when you reset malla, dont forget to put the new key in for freq51. in config.yaml

[acoustic mason]

Does anyone know if there is a way to set CLIENT_BASE role using an iPhone or OTA? The iPhone app don't support it yet.

[strong pagoda]

As far as I know, it’s only in the alpha version of the android app

[prisma saddle]

iphone has it again beta or alpha apps.

[real cedar]

So before winter my to-do list is to get the antenna at aur changed. Get it upgraded to the 2.6.11 fw. Get the BBS working

And then during winter I will probably do something in big cottonwood canyon. I have to wait for the snow. I need to know how high the snow is going to be on the trees

[prisma saddle]

And what ever gaps we find.

[wet galleon]

Boys, I have 2 questions about the new Channel+MF

1. Im on IOS what am i supposed to set the key size to?
2. I dont see a way to set channel settings on my remote nodes via PKI admin. Is there a better way to do that?

[vital hemlock]

1 byte

For remote nodes, did you already have the public key of the radio you want to use put into the admin config of the far side?

[wet galleon]

Yes

[solemn sedge]

Well, I think I have everything dialed in here in South Jordan. My reach seems limited at the moment, but that will probably change as they goes on.

[prisma saddle]

we ya still missing a lot. so give it time. i was able to trace up to layton. pretty quickly. so it’s happening.

[wet galleon]

Channels is Greyed out but i can remote admin all other settings

[vital hemlock]

Perhaps it's because it thinks it will break your ability to reach it if you make any mistakes, which would be true. Do you have a second channel configured on it?

I have always had a second private channel configured, I wonder if this made a difference

[wet galleon]

Yeah i have my private channel on it.
I wonder if i can change it via remote serial commands

[leaden crow]

@acoustic mason
It also works setting it from the CLI. I just tested it.
meshtastic --set device.role "CLIENT_BASE"

[acoustic mason]

@leaden crow I know about CLI. It's just that for remotely placed nodes, such as roof nodes, it's impossible to set right now without climbing up on the roof. Also, many users aren't set up for serial access. Can you use the CLI over the air?

[leaden crow]

Yes, so if your admin node is like a tracker, you plug it into a PC with CLI installed and you can run the CLI commands through it. It will default try serial connect to attached radio.
To do the RA, just put your CLI command in and add --dest '!address' to the end.
meshtastic --set device.role "CLIENT_BASE" --dest '!05a03648'

[acoustic mason]

That's cool. I'll check it out. Thanks.

[acoustic mason]

Awesome. That worked. Thanks!

[mighty pike]

I've switched all my devices over to MF, and one of them early this morning, but so far don't see any other nodes

[haughty moon]

Cleared nodedb and rebooted?

[mighty pike]

I did, but I thought I kept the PSK as 1A== but when I changed the channel, it pre-filled that field. I just set it and now see at least two nodes!

[real cedar]

Manually set Freq51 and 1A== on your nodes primary channel settings

I do see all your nodes and received their node info

ShortFast may work next year with more routers. Now that we have the room for extra congestion.

Would be really really nice 😆

[mighty pike]

I fixed that, yea, following the freq51.net migration guide (though the config page still has the old LongFast)

[mighty pike]

sweet!

[mighty pike]

and then, ShortTurbo, so we can stream YouTube

I won't be happy until we replicate at last 56k modems over the airwaves

[real cedar]

Streaming YouTube over mesh sounds like an exercise in masochism even if they switched to av2 🤣

[prisma saddle]

oh? hmm i’ll fix that.

[acoustic mason]

Freq51 with 1A== doesn't have to be your primary channel. You just have to set up your location sharing manually to be less precicse. Personally, I prefer to use Channel 0 for my own private channel since I can send precise location info to my nodes and set a secondary channel up as Freq51 with 1A== and set the location to some less precise value.

Is there a reason why we're telling people to set Freq51 up as the primary channel?

[haughty moon]

Certain things only work on the primary channel. I think that telemetry is a big one.

Others will chime in I bet

And, you can also do the same by having your own private channel on another slot. Thats what I do

[real cedar]

It's only if you want to actually help build the map. Where you would need to send a neighbor info regularly.. and that's only if you're a stationary client.

We actually only wanted everyone to have it as their primary channel so we ensure you have no bugs when you switch over

The other reason is totally optional

[acoustic mason]

Thanks for the clarity.

[real cedar]

Yeah by all means don't feel obligated to have a certain channel order. The mesh always rebroadcasts your messages regardless of your channel order or even if you have the channel. Your map just won't populate without it in primary

At least not quickly. You could totally exchange position or user data manually in the app and fill up your map

[full thorn]

I'm sending messages out on Freq51 w/Medium_Fast but am not getting ACKs back or hearing any other traffic like I could on Long_Fast when I was last on a few weeks ago. Does mediumfast limit the range for transmitting/receiving messages compared to longfast? I think I was on the fringe before for having a good signal.

[haughty moon]

There is a slight loss in the link budget. Where are you located?

[leaden crow]

It has 5dB less link budget
https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/radio-settings/#presets

[full thorn]

I'm in murray, but in a somewhat shielded pocket.

[haughty moon]

You should be able to see some nodes. What device do you have and have you tried it outside? On the roof is best

[full thorn]

I do see nodes in my list, a few that are only 1 hop away.

[haughty moon]

Do you have 1A== set for the key?

[full thorn]

I do

When I have a min, I'll reposition and see if that helps.

[haughty moon]

I think that will fix it. I'll be watching for messages

[full thorn]

(I don't currently have spousal zoning approval for antennas on the roof)

[haughty moon]

Even an upper floor window will be better. I think North would be your best bet. Can you see AUR- Aurora Uranialis Router?

[full thorn]

I saw it, but just reset my nodedb again for a fresh start

[leaden crow]

Plug your GPS coords into a new panorama on :
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/
Put in the height above ground level you think you can get the node. That will give us an idea what you have LoS too, and which direction you should be trying to optimize placement.

[leaden crow]

Plenty of ways to hide it. Even if you can put your node in the attic, that's often good enough.

[leaden crow]

#1197577977781821541 message

[inner jay]

Testing out client_base with my roof node

[prisma saddle]

haha ya i was denied acess.. had to do attic and seems to work great.

prob helps at least for sending that its 1w.. but still lol

oh ha ha that pic was mine. ya.. it does work..

[vernal kindle]

I feel kind of the same however I could be due to the nodes that I'd successfully hit sending messages have not migrated to MF yes we'll give it some time to see what happens. From Grantsville I can see up into the Layton area but I don't think I have quite enough output power to hit with my node inside the attic

[full thorn]

I did get a couple of delivery notifications while I was out for a walk. But no replies.

[real cedar]

How's the mesh going today. I was busy

I'm helping rebuild a Ford 300 for a friend's custom build today. We got the Pistons in but we're waiting on a thrust plate for the cam shaft.. then we're going to put an LS head on it

Sun assembly required 😂

[real cedar]

You could try putting a higher gain antenna on it since you are low to the ground. It stands to reason that if you put a 10 DBI on that you might be able to actually talk just fine

[umbral ice]

Do you even sleep? Lmao

[real cedar]

You know not really. Like I get 6 hours and that's about it

😆

[jolly goblet]

Good for me so far. I was out of state and just changed over my first nodes about two hours ago. Has FPR been switched?

[umbral ice]

Yep!

[vernal kindle]

I was looking at antennas. I think I'll put the heltec v3 back up (recently received the v4) with the new settings and see if that works and if it does I may have gotten a faulty unit.

[real cedar]

https://store.rokland.com/products/10-dbi-backcountry-n-male-omni-outdoor-helium-915-mhz-antenna-48-for-rak-miner-2-nebra-indoor-bobcat-hotspots?srsltid=AfmBOopKQUIHeG1xuMZpIfcPWd_UI1PhItv5dKN6CWEOcmeaJXqNs3DI

I've been using these with no issue

I'm really starting to doubt the claims of the people saying that higher gain is a problem

[vernal kindle]

Awesome, thanks!

[jolly goblet]

Have you had the change to measure the SWR? The site says <= 2.

[real cedar]

I have measured the VSWR. At 914.625 is 1.1 with a ground plane 1.7 without

2 is at the lower end of the band

[jolly goblet]

Thanks!

[haughty moon]

I have a few heltec v3s and feel that they are pretty weak. Don't they only advertise 22dBm?

[real cedar]

Two isn't bad for an antenna. It's not really the whole story. Even if it reflects a portion of the power back.. you still have the gain to compensate for that loss

Most Wi-Fi antennas are pitifully horrible at about 2.3 or higher

Yet all that equipment can do a pretty good job. I mean if you put a router high up you can get your Wi-Fi network quite far away

[vernal kindle]

Yeah, the v4 supposedly advertises 27 dBm. I'm still not sure If I have a faulty unit or firmware still needs to catch up on it

[real cedar]

@vernal kindle @jolly goblet @broken turret
So for those really concerned with beam width and overshooting the mountains or whatever you want to hit.. I've seen a ton of those comments but they lack the nuance so let's do a little math

Beam center starts at 5,100 ft elevation. (My elevation)
Desired intercept elevation: 9,700 ft (FPR)
Elevation difference Δh = 9,700 – 5,100 = 4,600 ft.
Beam full vertical beamwidth = 12°, so half-angle = 6°.
We’ll assume the beam is pointing upward at some tilt from the horizontal since it's typically a donut.
Using small-angle geometry:
tan(6°) = rise / run
run = rise / tan(6°)
run = 4600 / tan(6°)
run ≈ 4600 / 0.1051
run ≈ 43,800 ft

43,800 ft / 5280 ≈ 8.3 miles

So a 12° beam starting at 5100 ft will reach 9700 ft about 8.3 miles away.

So all in all, if you're more than 8.3 miles away, you utilize the full gain of the main lobe of this anisotropic antenna. This does not account for the gain of the secondary lobes. Which could be quite high in and of itself. So do you see why the antenna gain problem is over exaggerated a bit

Now here is an issue to be very aware of. If you are using a one watt node, particularly without a filter or any insertion loss in between, you run the risk of your eirp of your main lobe being in excess of the FCC limits. You're permitted 30 dB,1 W conducted and 36 dB,3.89 W EIRP. Be aware of this limit and you will be fine

This also gives you extra link margin. If you're within power limits and you're not too worried..
So if we look at that TX chain on a 1 watt radio..
Tx power = 30 dBm (1 W)
Tx antenna gain = +10 dBi
Losses (filter + lightning arrestor + small coax) = –4 dB total

EIRP = 30 + 10 – 4 = 36 dBm (≈4 W)

That keeps you right at the FCC limit while still giving a clean, well-filtered signal and full legal output.

But you have to be aware of the amount of power you're putting out and all of your insertion loss on the line.

[vernal kindle]

@real cedar Thanks! I'll have to read into things a little bit here (antenna theory has always been a bit of black magic to me haha) I think the issue I was having was with the heltec v4 node that I put in. I just swapped my v3 back in and got it remounted in the attic with the muziworks antenna I've been using. The V3 on medium fast is receiving messages and can do traceroutes that the v4 was not doing.

I'm going to sit on the v4 for a bit and see if any new firmware updates fix the issue or if I need to try and exchange it.

[real cedar]

It really is just math. I do it for a day job 😂. Most of it's just getting the gain where you want it to be keeping your power within the limits and being aware of what you want to reach and its elevation compared to you and your radius from it.

It's possible you got a bad node. That sucks but it happens sometimes. Sometimes they just have a weak PA in them

Heltecs aren't known for "quality"

Now do keep in mind this is going to fuck with the SNR bias a bit. It's not going to be catastrophic.. reality is you might just send a message early or you might pick up a message a little further away and rebroadcast it ahead of time.

Your sensitivity is higher so you're going to hear more. That's both a good thing and a bad thing, particularly with interference. You're going to be able to throw the signal further, but you're going to be limited by the curvature of the earth more as you go up in gain

[vernal kindle]

@real cedar Appreciate the info 🙂

[real cedar]

Your welcome. Good luck in grantsville. Hopefully someone gets a router late on stansbury for y'all soon

That way you don't have to go up to Layton and down. Rather you can just hop there and to AUR or NPR or FPR and head off to wherever the destination is

[haughty moon]

Parts on order

[prisma saddle]

hey once you do you should see ce-roof. that’s my dads. should be your “router” until something taller is there. let me know when you see it

[vernal kindle]

🙂 he actually messaged me not to long ago

[prisma saddle]

what is making TR not so good? @real cedar

[prisma saddle]

oh haha ya he sent me the text with you guys taking. nice!

[prisma saddle]

hey join this chat sever too. want to link you up with jeff. https://discord.gg/98VRgDNA

he is in tooele

[real cedar]

our network is segemented geographically. Not all nodes can hear one another so there are collisions

[prisma saddle]

@ivory canyon how’s the antenna going?

[leaden crow]

It looks like WC2 made it to Medium Fast. Did anyone else see it pop up in their node lists?
I'm afraid it may be stuck on the default AQ== channel. The only way I can think to validate, is by figuring out which key encrypted it's messages.
{"bytes":"060A443AE7010401DD155672CDE996E2EE57ADECF138"

[prisma saddle]

nope not yet.

[ivory canyon]

With all the bad weather this weekend and then being tied up today, I haven't changed a thing since getting it back on the air with the Nebra. I will probably do the antenna work this week or next, depending on the weather and how busy I am.

[leaden crow]

I scrolled more in my debug log and found it:
"channel":4,"from":1009212011

I have channel 4 as the default AQ== channel. So it got to MF, but I still need to get channel 0 changed to Freq51

[prisma saddle]

oh dang. how’s that going to work.

[leaden crow]

I was inspired [by this](#1197577977781821541 message) and made a magnetic mount for the enclosure system I've been using.
Now I just need to find a place to stick it.

[inner jay]

For some reason I have yet to be able to tr to anything outside my local nodes

[main stag]

I'll be curious to see how it goes the next few weeks especially with some of the new routers. I might be in a similar situation that I was about a year ago before AUR. Right now I'm receiving some texts but haven't been able to send anything out successfully that I know of. Almost all of mytraceroutes fail. On LF AUR router was almost always a successful traceroute being LOS to my north.

[leaden crow]

I got at least one of your messages

[main stag]

Ah sweet good to know!

[leaden crow]

I like to confirm if mine get out on remlabs. It's about 50/50 right now.

Looks like I got 2 of your tests.

[inner jay]

I saw you too. Dunno if you got my reply

[main stag]

I need to restart that thanks for the reminder, I had the program down when I was updating the pi.

[main stag]

Dang didn't see the reply.

[inner jay]

I do t see any of my replies there lol

Do yall see my nodes on your list?

[main stag]

Restarted rem-labs so that will be collecting and updating the dashboards once again.

[main stag]

My roof (rem-labs node) saw tano about 40 minutes ago.

[leaden crow]

meshtastic --nodes |grep -e EZRA -e TANO
│ 51 │ Tano │ !a5fa9285 │ TANO │ RAK4631 │ 8GLK6yumkBC8Iw+OSkke8n0y8wUQ7Kkd+nbdT2T8bkw= │ N/A │ 40.6929° │ -111.9732° │ N/A │ 88% │ 24.50% │ 2.35% │ -3 dB │ 7 │ 0 │ 2025-10-05 21:50:44 │ 50 mins ago │
│ 120 │ Ezra │ !7a0872b2 │ EZRA │ RAK4631 │ 8GLK6yumkBC8Iw+OSkke8n0y8wUQ7Kkd+nbdT2T8bkw= │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ 96% │ 21.76% │ 2.32% │ -17 dB │ 1 │ 0 │ 2025-10-04 19:40:31 │ 1 day ago │

So I don't think it's updated EZRA since I switch to MF51

[inner jay]

Weird. My replies came from tano today

I did get a weird key regen warning when I updated them both to 2.7.11

"Compromised keys were found and regenerated"

Maybe I need to manually update my keys?

[inner jay]

Waitaminit. If I'm reading this right both nodes have the same key

[leaden crow]

lol

I actually had this happen when I setup a couple of Xaio and flashed them like minutes apart on a slightly older firmware. The low entropy problem is real.

#1197577977781821541 message
🤣

[inner jay]

Yeah those strings don't match either of my nodes

[leaden crow]

I made a note to write a script that looks for duplicates in my node lists. That's quite far down my todo list rn.

Weird. I didn't reset my nodedb when I moved. Mostly because I didn't want WC1 and WC2 to drop off. I am still trying to RA them.

[inner jay]

So should I regenerate my keys or should yall delete me

Lemme try sending from a non rak node and see if you can see it

[leaden crow]

If you regenerate them, we will see your stuff as new nodes and eventually the old ones will drop off (or end up at the bottom of huge node lists)

The big downside to regenerating is if you were using those keys for RA. If you're not doing that, probably not a big deal.

[inner jay]

Yeah my RA node is unaffected

Anyone see a text from zeb

K, regenerated my keys on Tano and Ezra and sent test messages. Anyone seen em yet?

[prisma saddle]

good luck.

[leaden crow]

No, but dsr2 just got it's first message ever on MF51!
😂

[prisma saddle]

hah that was me.

[real cedar]

I've caught most everyone's messages on jupiter

Sometimes the message says it failed to send but in actuality it was sent

I had the same issue on LF

[vital hemlock]

I’ve definitely had less success today with MF. I’m glad to be patient for a week while it settles in. I rarely got acks, but half the time I confirmed the messages were delivered. Traceroutes were also very sporadic, and often didn’t return. But when they did, they were quick.

🤞

[leaden crow]

I'll give it another 24 hours before switching to MS.
🤣

[haughty moon]

What’s weird is the messages, node list, and map seem to be working ok. Why are the traces having such difficulty?

[prisma saddle]

Dang ya we fully lost tooele/grants. cause of NPR. thought they would get pulled in with layton. but apparently not.

also 4-5 nodes or more with MediumFast as their primary possibly

[inner jay]

Has anyone seen my test pings from Tano?

[ember torrent]

But what if i use this?

https://www.te.com/en/product-ANT-916-MHW-SMA-L.html

[prisma saddle]

this morning?

[inner jay]

Or last night

[prisma saddle]

Dunno, wanna send another?

[inner jay]

Out of range of tano atm. Just sent from ezra

[prisma saddle]

Ah ok, and i saw that, you see my reply?

[inner jay]

Saw a reply from bman

And a dm from fpr

Ezra seems to be working

Had to share my user info with fpr to respond though. Unknown public key

[prisma saddle]

hmm your pub key info change? you reset it resently?

[inner jay]

I reset both tano and Ezra last night for troubleshooting

Haven't been able to have my messages seen since I upgraded the firmware to 2.7.11 2 days ago

[prisma saddle]

Hmm i wouldnt think that would hurt anything.

i sent a dm to ezra and tano. a few of them to ezra

just now

[inner jay]

Got em

I'll check tano when I'm back home but Ezra is receiving

[prisma saddle]

good to hear.

[inner jay]

Well they both threw a message i hadn't seen before. Something about compromised keys were regenerated

[prisma saddle]

ya i see that from time to time. have reset keys/etc.. still happens not fixed it yet

its random

from what i can see

[inner jay]

Did you get my dm back?

[prisma saddle]

nope try again

[inner jay]

Hmm. I got an ack

Think I'm gonna roll back the firmware

[prisma saddle]

ahh looks like @acoustic mason got to work 🙂

[obsidian storm]

This is NICE for medium fast

I'm getting really good results

[prisma saddle]

ya i think it at least from my point o view is working pretty well. im not sure we have everyone back over yet.

and grants/tooele are def cut off

@obsidian storm you still working on an mqtt we can connect to? or already done?

[leaden crow]

How does that compare to POTM? You should have LoS to both, right? I'm mostly curious if the filter is the huge improvement. I would guess they are equivalent in almost every other way.

[obsidian storm]

Different antenna

• filter

It's quite variable with Medium_Fast

That was within 15s of eachother.

[obsidian storm]

First, I'm trying to figure out what the decryption key is.

[prisma saddle]

take the default and remove the AQ== at the end and add the 1A== to it like so

i dont know why it had all that crap before it, but it works.. so.. ya

[obsidian storm]

TY TY

I'm seeing quite a few people putting in the wrong key and putting in the old AQ== key

[prisma saddle]

ya i see that and some using mediumfast channel too

[haughty moon]

How do you guys check that? Messages in the wrong channel? Or the little channel indicator on the node list?

I only ask because I have the other channels listed in addition to the correct one. I’ve noticed that sometimes my other nodes will first show up on the “wrong” slot and then will eventually update

[obsidian storm]

I'm looking at the raw traffic

in the debug panel

[haughty moon]

Oh okay

[prisma saddle]

i guessing sending messges to mediumfast? @obsidian storm

I wish malla could decrypt secondary channels.

[obsidian storm]

no, that's RA

[dawn rock]

What's RA

[reef ridge]

Remote Administration.

[real cedar]

If you or anyone else is failing to send messages

Check your Freq51 settings for the proper key
Make sure it's set properly
If not you will still send messages but nobody else can decrypt. Everyone will receive your rebroadcast but won't be able to open it so you will get a failed to send message due to the lack of an ack

It's not that you aren't able to see the routers or others

Also you won't be able to TR reliably without the same primary slot (I think)

[real cedar]

Misconfiguration is the #1 cause

[inner jay]

Im getting acks. Just nobody seems to be able to see my messages

[haughty moon]

I have it configured correctly, and have been having trouble with traces. Are you saying if other nodes are wrong, it will mess it up?

[haughty moon]

I went back and looked. I got your messages this am

[inner jay]

From tano?

[haughty moon]

Oh, not tano. Ezra and B52

[inner jay]

Ah, yeah Tano is the problem child

Doing a dm test it fails with an "unknown public key". I think this is a key issue

I increased my nodeinfo transmission rate. Maybe that'll help get it out there

[real cedar]

It can. But TRs are throttled after telemetry

And are also deprioritized in the same older

But you can try "exchange user info" wait for that

When it says last seen now.. try to TR

That always works when stuff doesn't respond for me

[real cedar]

That's definitely a key issue

Look I don't mean to roast people but we chose a 1 byte key to avoid mess ups and yet it's still being messed up 😜 but I am curious. Document the mess up and we will see if we can modify instructions to see if we can make elucidate the proper process to people via the docs

[real cedar]

OHHHH your onto something So when I cleared my node DB of my router I could not RA it until I exchanged user info

I have no problem if each of you go and click on all of the nodes you wish to speak to and spam the shit out of that button

Forcing a node info exchange

[inner jay]

Yeah that seems to be the only way to restore point to point comms

[real cedar]

Yes it's required because of how DMs work

They use PKI

If you don't have the proper key exchange it will fail not because of medium fast @leaden crow let's see if we can document this

[inner jay]

Still doesn't explain not being seen in the main chat though

[real cedar]

that is explained by a key issue too

[inner jay]

So put out a blast saying to delete my node so they can reexchange?

[real cedar]

Cuz I turned on my debug log and saw your messages but it said unable to deceypt

[real cedar]

Yes I will when home

It would be nice if the whole mesh could jump in the discord while we sort this

[inner jay]

Right

[real cedar]

The other thing I would like people having issues talking to do.. Is to find their nearest node.. to find the routers they can see and grab the SNR and RSSI data. Post it here

If there's a radio issue it will show in that. All other issues are unrelated to switching to medium fast

We got to debug this software problem

Basically I see the debug steps as
Is radio working. If no.. rip. If yes. Check major nodes SNRs and RSSI. If strong or at least fair.. great move onto software and configuration problems. If no.. post in discord chat and show we have a mode/radio/modulation problem

[haughty moon]

iOS doesn’t have exchange info lame

[real cedar]

What buttons does it have

God iOS app is fucking dog shit 🤣

[leaden crow]

CLI doesn't have it either.

[real cedar]

Okay I have a solution

Let's turn up node info

Once an hour for the time being

3600s

It's medium fast it can take it

I'll turn mine up when I get home. Everyone just crank it way up and let's see if we can get everything synced up

If you had a key issue and name issue. Clear node DB after fixing it

Btw I see Ezra, Tano and chk6s message floods on umbriel

Layton parkway copied them

Did you receive the copy? From him

ACE-roof I traced .. 3 hops from ogden.
So I know his nodes working correctly. I traced Ezra 5 hops

Also another note. If your not using the stable app we can't help debug mesh issues as much because we cannot eliminate the beta from being the issue

@haughty moon CHK1_339C TR hops away 6. Where are you currently located

[haughty moon]

That one is in WVC

Chk2 is at my desk by the airport. I am hitting AUR directly, 6 or 7 db lower than LF. Their numbers weren’t too far off lol

[real cedar]

So unlikely to be radio

I will be up late this week. If any of you need help debugging a software issue hit me up

[haughty moon]

I just can’t wait until they implement next hop routing or some sort of path map.

Like if you can see a router zero hop, there’s no reason 3 other nodes should be in the trace route

[real cedar]

Even with NHR it will still happen. Because at the end of the day the device will still prefer first reply and if an snr bias jeopardy doesn't go in your favor the same thing will happen

It's mesh not an infrastructure network. It's nearly impossible to avoid this

Welcome to Ethernet before the base T days. It was the same way where you would take different routes around the token ring and it was random

😆

[keen glen]

Weird behavior on DMing my nebra since moving to MF.
I can DM from the Nebra to my other nodes, and they receive it, but I can't receive the DMs back from the other nodes. I see the messages show up in the debug logs (not seeing decryption errors), and I've cleared the NodeDB on the other nodes + Nebra several times. Same behavior on both stable and alpha firmware.

[leaden crow]

Maybe client issue? What client are you using? Web app, mobile app via TCP, contact?

[keen glen]

The Freq51 channel seems to be working, I'm seeing nodes and some activity (about the same sparse messages as before, I think I'm getting some packets from LAKE, even though I can't hit it)

I've tried on both the App and WebUI.

... And just now tried Contact TUI, and it works 😵‍💫

App + Web still not working though. I tried both the latest build of the app, and the previous google play version.

That seems like a client issue then since Contact works... odd that both the app and web client would be not working

[leaden crow]

If the messages are showing up in your meshtasticd debug log, it does sound like client problem to me.
I personally have not experienced problems receiving messages if I have the WebUI or App running. I do prefer just having contact run in tmux or screen.

[keen glen]

Have you tried the Pidgin plugin?

[leaden crow]

No, I haven't used Pidgin for at least a decade.

[keen glen]

Fair

[leaden crow]

I'd spin it up, but I think my ICQ, AOL, MSN are all long gone. 😁

[keen glen]

I haven't tried it, but https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-discord seems active. I might check it out.

[leaden crow]

Wow Pidgin has a ton of plugins now

[haughty moon]

Haha. I think the SNR bias Jeopardy is the problem

[peak narwhal]

Hello! I’m new to Meshtastic and I’m trying to get my messages out here in Saratoga Springs. Are there any repeaters in the Lehi/Saratoga Springs area? Is the usual modem in Utah the usual Long Fast?

[prisma saddle]

Hey There, please see see this guide https://freq51.net/migrate We are on Medium Fast, on freq slot 51.

you might also want to look over this part as well https://freq51.net/onboarding

[obsidian storm]

We're testing MEDIUM_FAST out, we might change in a week or two if it doesn't work out, so pay attention to the mesh messages 🙂

[peak narwhal]

Awesome. I love the Onboarding page. Thanks

[obsidian storm]

I just make a quick update to it, so refresh if you don't see this:

[peak narwhal]

Why the special key?

[obsidian storm]

So that we can turn on neighborinfo for stationary nodes.

[peak narwhal]

Cool. There is so many little things like that to get Meshtastic going

[obsidian storm]

It's not required.

There's plenty of nodes on the defaults

but we're trying to tune all the settings and make it really nice for this frequency 🙂

you should be able to hit LAKE as your primary router on freq51

[peak narwhal]

I wish I could have multiple speeds configured. I’m sure most people will try Long Fast first

[ember torrent]

@thorn marsh gonna join mediumfast?

[peak narwhal]

I think I will need to wait for my node list to update to medium fast

I see LMTS node, but not LAKE

[haughty moon]

Yeah I agree it would be cool, but currently not possible. The other solution is to buy more nodes lol

[peak narwhal]

Don’t give me an excuse 😉

[obsidian storm]

reset your node db

[haughty moon]

Yep, it will take a little bit to populate nodes. Sending a couple messages out can speed things up

[peak narwhal]

What is the current state of the mesh in Utah? Is it Medium Fast everywhere? Or, should I try Long Fast in other places too?

[obsidian storm]

Freq51 on MF covers from Springville to Ogden.

and a few other sporadic spots.

You can see the routers here:
https://freq51.net/infrastructure

[peak narwhal]

Wow!!

[prisma saddle]

what is your node name so we can keep an eye out for it

[peak narwhal]

rol3

I sent a message and got a couple responses

Funny, I tried a bunch on Long Fast. I should have checked the discord sooner

[prisma saddle]

sweet, yup i see you too

[peak narwhal]

Way cool

[prisma saddle]

not the best route but it found ya

[peak narwhal]

Wow! The traces work too. My mind is getting blown right now.

[reef ridge]

FPR needs an update, it's not a T114 anymore.

[leaden crow]

Lol that's not even fair. Your traceroutes are hopping through me, taunting me.

[real cedar]

Well that's just it. The farther your signal goes.. the more the hops will increase if your talking to someone nearby as it's likely to hop first from the node that saw it with the weakest snr

[real cedar]

ROFL

[haughty moon]

Oh that’s right. I guess you will typically end up “over shooting” your ideal next hop

[real cedar]

Yes

And that's why hop count doesn't really matter ... A lot of the things people care about when it comes to the actual mesh structure.. are very cosmetic like having something on the map or being able to trace route constantly or number of hops. At the end of the day, it's a mesh and you don't control it in the sense of a centralized Network where you would think. Oh well, it's going to route me with the best possible route. No, it's going to route you with the most successful regardless of how it does so

😆

It's not like Wi-Fi where you have a centralized router.

[prisma saddle]

wait a min. this is new one but not setup yet right? @obsidian storm

[prisma saddle]

lol!

[obsidian storm]

hehe. Tomorrow it's going up the mtn!

[prisma saddle]

teasing . me.

[prisma saddle]

Nice!!!!!!

[real cedar]

And with that hopefully everyones routing issues disappear

[obsidian storm]

I'm just finishing up the settings

[real cedar]

I think it will

[prisma saddle]

in the “epic” spot? for other side of mtn too?

[real cedar]

1 watt on nelson with that really good antenna and solid filter

Gonna be really nice

[obsidian storm]

It's going on the tower

[prisma saddle]

nice!

what’s our what’s that map for that look like?

[real cedar]

Gigantic

I'll run it again

Bash tells me it's lower half due to infra

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=WFAC86UC

If someone in the valley says they can't trace it I'm defaulting to software problem rofl

1 watt from that high up with a 47 degree beamwidth and a 5.8 dB Omni will almost certainly be seen for 10s of kiles

😆

So the most empty spot on the tower is between 20-45 ft looking at the most recent picture of it

So I chose 37 ft above the base of the tower

But 20 and 45 makes little diff

[prisma saddle]

dang then that dead zone above tooele is stansberry i’m guessing and once one is there. we good.

[real cedar]

NPR has no chance of EVER seeing that spot

You cannot see the top of the tower from the ground until about the red zone

Like it's just not gonna happen. We need stansbury

Who's working on that again?

They need to move quickly before the ground freezes in nov

[obsidian storm]

farnsworth is the place that'll do there

but that won't happen anytime

[leaden crow]

If anywhere is going to be a dead zone, might as well be Stansberry. The only thing there is Magcorp, target practice and oolitic sand.

[obsidian storm]

No, the correct answer is someone should put a router_late by the Tooele T

It's a short/easy hike

and it'll serve stansbury to NPR easy peasy.

[real cedar]

That's the problem

It's probably a hot spot on strava

😆

[obsidian storm]

yeah, just got about 10min above it.

and bushwack for a little bit.

everyone gets to the T and stops

[real cedar]

That would work and there's a fair bit of trees out there so you can make a birdhouse node

[haughty moon]

Parts on order. Hopefully doing it this weekend

[real cedar]

Stansbury is better. It's a longer hike but it would see 3 routers instead of 1 at the T

So promontory point is not happening. My buddy knows the land owners and they keep delaying. It's not a priority atm for them to go fix a bit of the road and open the gate to get there

Sorry guys

🙁

Also sadly NPR is delayed two weeks

[prisma saddle]

what! lol.

not tomorrow?

[real cedar]

Yeah

The techs told bash

In any case there is a silver lining

Deploying strategic clients to fix your issues will only make the mesh stronger when the routers do come up

[prisma saddle]

i need to stop telling people to things and just let it happen and be surprised lol

[real cedar]

I highly suggest people start to do that before the winter

[ivory canyon]

Relocated the Nebra node outside and at the base of the antenna eliminating the lossy coax run. Layton Parkway is now a full 1-Watt node! 😋

[leaden crow]

I got your message in NSL, but not in the SL Valley. What do you have your hop limit set at?

[ivory canyon]

Lemmie check...

Its set to 6.

[leaden crow]

Should be enough. I'm just not getting messages in or out of SL valley.

[ivory canyon]

Hmm, seems like this isn't working as good as I'd hoped! Didn't you used to get traffic through my node before the upgrade?

[haughty moon]

1 hop to Magna isn’t bad

[leaden crow]

I did on LF. Hopefully NPR fixes this.

[ivory canyon]

I guess we are using a modulation scheme that requires a few more dB to achieve the same link budget we had with LF.

@haughty moon Thanks for letting me know that I'm hitting Magna direct. You're right, that isn't too bad. 😊

Actually, I guess 0 hops would be direct so I'm probably getting there through FPR or something.

[obsidian storm]

@ivory canyon I hear you great with a 1 hop connection

It's all through FPR

[haughty moon]

Yeah I think it’s FPR

[ivory canyon]

Well, I guess we'll see how it does over the next few days/weeks to get a better feel for how it's doing compared to the old hardware that it replaced.

Either way, the Nebra is on a while different level. I love that it's plain old Linux for being able to customize, etc.

whole different level...

I haven't had to reboot it due to lock-ups even once since I deployed it. The T-beam was locking up daily or more...

[real cedar]

Your across the valley and hear AUR in the green. Noice

[obsidian storm]

Well, I have that murata filter

I don't know how unfiltered would go

[ivory canyon]

I'd like to experiment with one.

[obsidian storm]

Don't you have one on your nebra?

[leaden crow]

Yes, Wehooper put the murata on his 2W hat

[obsidian storm]

It's that orange gold small box next to the connector

[ivory canyon]

The Nebra hat has both ports populated so I can bypass the on board filter in favor of something else.

Yeah.

I guess I was referring to the big black out board filter I saw in one of the pictures.

[prisma saddle]

sweet!

[inner jay]

Anyone have any decent map files for MeshUI? The ones on the github don't zoom enough

[ivory canyon]

Thanks! I guess its working as good as can be expected for a roof node.

[prisma saddle]

Not horrible but i’m getting there too.

[prisma saddle]

see my last tr. tano works.

🙂

[inner jay]

Thats Tanu not Tano

[prisma saddle]

iphone has the best maps.

haha doh! sorry.

i don’t see tano at all. it offline?

[inner jay]

Nah it's up. Been talking

Apparently to myself since nobody else seems to see me

[prisma saddle]

hmmm let me check the logs. send some messages.

and what’s its node id?

[haughty moon]

Do your other nodes see it?

Double check the antenna connections. I had one come loose recently… lol

[inner jay]

!a5fa9285

Yes my nodes see it fine

And it hears everything

It has to be a key issue

[inner jay]

Just sent 2 messages

[haughty moon]

What device is it?

[inner jay]

Rak

[haughty moon]

What model

[inner jay]

Wisblock 4631

[haughty moon]

I have a couple heltecs that can hear everything but can’t get any messages out. I think the TX is a bit too weak

[prisma saddle]

hmm ya not seeing anything for it

hmm restart it?

[haughty moon]

I got Tano!

Looks like 5 hops to chk1

[inner jay]

Just restarted and sent another message

[prisma saddle]

it should auto nodes broad soon.

[inner jay]

Saw aced and responded

This is built just like Ezra, cept it has a filter

[prisma saddle]

hmm. where is it placed?

[inner jay]

Roof

Hence my annoyance

[prisma saddle]

ya this is weird.

[inner jay]

It was fine till I upgraded the firmware ota. Then I got the key warning

I've since downgraded

[haughty moon]

I didn’t get the second message

[prisma saddle]

hop count all good? channel. freqslot. preset. all that?

[inner jay]

Mf, 7hop, slot 51

[haughty moon]

Done a full factory reset yet?

[inner jay]

Think I'm gonna back it up and reset it. May have to pull it down and checkninternals

[haughty moon]

What do you mean back it up? Are you flashing it with a special image? I would factory reset and start with a clean flash

Then after that, it points towards hardware issue

[inner jay]

Exporting settings

Just factory reset, imported previous settings and sent test message

The t deck in my pocket is picking it up no issue

[haughty moon]

How are you importing previous settings? I think that could be doing something wrong

Didn’t see a message

[haughty moon]

Yeah try without out doing that

[inner jay]

Means a new key pair

[haughty moon]

I have feeling there’s something weird in it

Just for a quick test

[inner jay]

Aight

[prisma saddle]

ya don’t export import. just reset and manually setup

[inner jay]

Reset and manually setup. Sent a message

[haughty moon]

Same name? TANO?

[inner jay]

Yep

[haughty moon]

Send a couple more. Didn’t get it

[inner jay]

Fuck it, gonna change the name see if that helps

[haughty moon]

Do you have a pc? Have you tried web client?

It’s looking more to be a hardware issue

[inner jay]

Reset and changed to HERA

It runs meshsense fine. No TRs though

Gonna pull it off the roof and plug it in directly. Full flash wipe

maybe got a bad connection too

[prisma saddle]

Really good info on the nebra's https://casper.im/Recycling-Old-Crypto-Miners

[prisma saddle]

interesting ,they found a way for the config, but ya if it overwrites stuff.. then not worth it https://mtnme.sh/mediumfast/

[inner jay]

Ya know what, a note on that got me thinking. My trouble node has a filter on it. If MF changes the frequency it may be out of band now

Although i rechecked the lora settings and the frequency for slot 51 hasn't changed with the MF preset

[prisma saddle]

ya try without..

[inner jay]

Ya I'm gonna return it to stock

And maybe take the 7.5db antenna off Wren and put it on Hera

[leaden crow]

We kept the same frequency slot we were using on LF (51 -- 914.625 MHz)
The default for MF is slot 45 which is close, 913.125 MHz

Honestly, I was going to suggest we move to the default frequency slot when we went to MS or MF just for simplicity, but we have that cool domain name...

[haughty moon]

Why did we pick 51? Because it’s in the middle? Or just someone’s lucky number?

[leaden crow]

Because we have a lot of antennas that are tuned right at 915 MHz so we wanted close to that, but not a frequency used by one of the default presets (MS uses 52)

If we could do it all over again, I would suggest we try frequency slot 1. For whatever reason when I have done SDR waterfalls, below 904 MHz looks really quiet. The downside is that change would be bad for a lot of our filters and a little worse for most of our antennas.

[haughty moon]

It’s the bottom edge of the band yeah. Most devices probably stick to the middle

[prisma saddle]

@main stag dang thats quite the grafana setup http://graphs.austinmesh.org/

[haughty moon]

Wow. All the telem and only 3 or so routers

[prisma saddle]

that heatmap is pretty cool

[leaden crow]

Soshine panels are on Prime day sale
https://www.amazon.com/Soshine-6w-Performance-Monocrystalline-Cellphone/dp/B09ZL3F7CT/?th=1

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm unknown app is MQTT

And neighborinfo

Wonder if there's a way for you to add that

[prisma saddle]

prob edit the code based off its type off app or encoded info or something.. ill bet its possible

[real cedar]

Also network health is excellent and average SNR is -0.5 dB

Everyone of your radios is communicating so I guess we got software issues to work out

[obsidian storm]

I didn't know MQTT sends over the mesh?

[real cedar]

Yeah it does. I've seen it on mesh sense and on the debug log

Poster boards node sends them out somewhat regularly

[inner jay]

Did the stable android app update to 2.7.2? I left the beta and uninstalled/reinstalled and the version number is the same

[prisma saddle]

MQTT is so fun to play with.

@leaden crow pretty funny watching your TR.. most of them go through me...

[leaden crow]

Yeah, I have good 0 hop to you.
For whatever inexplicable reason, my traceroute success has vastly improved last night and this morning.

[prisma saddle]

hmmm any new nodes that have linked dead areas?

[leaden crow]

I don't think so, and I still have some weird results. Last night I was getting direct traces to AUR. Today no successes.
I still can't reach bp nodes, which I always could in the past. Usually 0 hop.

I am less worried about the traceroutes. I am trying to send WC2 RA every hour to get it switched from default channel to Freq51. It has failed 27 times. I had to retry a few times on LF to switch it to MF, but I still got it. I don't think I'll be able to RA them at all on MF. We'll see if NPR 2.0 makes a difference, WC1 should have LoS to NPR. If I manage to get up there one more time this year and get them both on MF51, I also have murata filters I might try to install.

I just ordered new hardware for WC1 I am excited about, but I won't be able to install it until next May. ☹️

[prisma saddle]

oh cool what did you order? and ya hopefully npr happens. sad it was pushed back i was stoked lol

[prisma saddle]

Oh cool looks like fun

[leaden crow]

I think it will be good. He has an option for the 2W E22 that has a true MPPT charge controller, but I'm a little worried about battery size. The 1W one already uses 1.5-2x the power of typical nrf / sx1262 hardware.

[prisma saddle]

hmm so what is the repeater unknown again?

so weird.

[leaden crow]

It could be someone actually assigned repeater role. It could also be a node on old firmware (pre 2.5). I'm kind of surprised we would have either on MF51.

[ember torrent]

It could be someone using an encrypted channel on MF51. They still support the mesh, but didnt decrypt the message.
Couldnt find that !fffffff in the docs easily.

[leaden crow]

That's a traceroute though. My understanding is all traceroute traffic uses channel 0. So they have to be on the same preset and have the same channel 0 for it to participate.

You can do a traceroute on a different channel, but you have to specify:
meshtastic --ch-index 4 --traceroute '!3c275a6b'

[ember torrent]

Nah, they have to have “XX==“ to decrypt in MF51. So no channel 0-9 with that password, no decrypt.

[prisma saddle]

ya same thats why i was was questioning it..

[ember torrent]

My zero channel encrypted nodes trace route using y’all’s mesh.

[prisma saddle]

Ah ok. hmm wish we could force that. but see why not.. like i have a home node that only has private channels on not, no freq51. didnt want the spam of that channel on it to confuse that wife.

so i see the reasoning. but wish it was done diff for stats/tracking purposes..

[ember torrent]

In hindsight, That “repeater” in Farmington Bay was probably my node on an encrypted channel.

I think it works. My encrypted sensor node blasting telemetry shows up on the mesh, just encrypted with no names.

Yeah, “Hide Messages” is good, or having a Medium Fast clientbase nearby helps.

[jolly goblet]

"...to confuse that wife."
Are your other wives more understanding? 🤣

[leaden crow]

We are in Utah...

[prisma saddle]

LOL

I meant the.. but ha ha good call

no one is enough for me.

Even having an X is too much lol

[real cedar]

NodeInfo

[real cedar]

What is this

[jolly goblet]

I think it is probably this: https://github.com/wehooper4/Meshtastic-Hardware/tree/main/XaioSeries/Prototypes/V0.9/SolarXaio

Uses a cn3791 charge controller and a TPS61022RWUR boost converter.

[real cedar]

That is not a true MPPT.

Lol

But yeah it looks nice

[jolly goblet]

And a XB8089 battery protection IC.

[real cedar]

I'm biased towards Texas instruments just because they're so good

It's not that much more expensive either

Hey everyone
Go ahead and set it to 7 medium fast. Can handle all of that
We are using 0.3 % utilization

Forget the hop count limitations. We literally can support the extra congestion

[prisma saddle]

hmm think all mine are 7 already.

ya ive been wathcing util. its freaking awesome lol

[real cedar]

Yeah let's just universally go to 7 and who cares

[prisma saddle]

we are bascially idle and dead.

for util

[real cedar]

I genuinely think if we can make medium fast super reliable with a lot of clients. Short fast is going to be doable. Especially if we get Black Pine Creek up between Harrison and Francis and then we will have a short fast link to Idaho

Short fast would be freaking insane. You can send jpegs quickly

Like I've already tried it with two radios on ATAK

It's fucking amazing!

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/aol-gif-10522865

[real cedar]

I mean yeah but think about it one watt.. lets you send at at dial-up speeds 130 mi away

😆

[prisma saddle]

ha ha ya

I just hope npr does happen when ever that is before winter. so i can help build out the rest of grants/tooele. they are dead to us currently 🙁

[real cedar]

We need to figure out the BBS system. All BBS host nodes should be set to seven hops

Fpr is doing well and it sees its peers

[umbral ice]

does FPR ask for !cmd or just plain old cmd? I realized that my BBS is calling for bbslink, but only accepts !bbslink lol

so I need to fix that

[prisma saddle]

Do you want any nodes that can do bbs to do it? or you just want the routers that can? like all our nebras out there and foxes? or ?

[reef ridge]

When you DM it's just cmd.

[umbral ice]

I fixed my BBS bot, hopefully my test post will pull over to FPR when it calls again

[leaden crow]

I don't think he is giving away all his designs. He has a more expensive board with true MPPT.

[real cedar]

Ahhh yeah a true mppt is probably a TI or Vishay design or victron

[leaden crow]

"These have a MPPT (or well, fixed Vmpp tracking) charger on board so work best with raw panel output
I also have a fancier 2w version with high/low thermal custoff and a 4v max charge mode, and a 2w version with a true MPPT charger for challenging solar environments"

[umbral ice]

Depends on your use. Meshing-Arounds connects to the node (in my case) via network. Because of that it takes hold of the port on the device and anything else that is trying to also connect to it via that method will fight with Meshing-Around (eg if you're connecting to it with your phone)

I think that if you have a node that's capable on your roof and aren't using it in any other way then more BBS isn't bad. At least to a degree I'd think. Having 30 nodes all in UT calling for BBS links seems a bit excessive

but more is better for sure 😄

[prisma saddle]

ha ha ya. just didnt know if it was like a "cluster" or w/e to make it work better. but i guess if lake is prob going to be running it. and new npr. i wont need to lol

[jolly goblet]

On the Soshine panel, is the 6v 5.5mm barrel jack unregulated? Can I just use that as the input to a charge controller (such as the Adafruit BQ25185)? Or do I need to open the little enclosure and remove and bypass the existing regulator, controller, etc.?

[leaden crow]

Yes the barrel jack is unregulated. It's what you want to use with something like BQ25185.
If you're using just the solar input on a RAK, you have to use the regulated 5v (USB) output, as it's not rated for 6v.
Also, I wouldn't take the cover off, the inside is potted. I wouldn't recommend trying to mod it.

[jolly goblet]

How good is the 5v regulated output? By that I am wondering how much better the performance is with an external charge controller. I'm building some simple xiao nrf sx1262 nodes (without anything else, i.e. no gps, etc.) and only one or two 18650 cells. I think they use on the order of 250mAh of energy per day.

[leaden crow]

The Soshine is actually pretty overkill for xiao nrf nodes. I have built several using the regulated output. I've had no problems with them.

If you search for soshine on this server, you'll see that some people have been concerned about possible noise from the switching regulator. Even if it's not great, tons of people have been using this panel both the regulated and unregulated ports successfully.

[real cedar]

I use the BQ on all of my devices. The ti part is really nice and harvests a lot of energy in low solar environments

In fact, during a full moon it will trickle charge

😆

[jolly goblet]

I just got six of the Adafruit (without the boost converter) from Mouser.
So I have some to play around with now.

[jolly goblet]

Whoa!

[real cedar]

You have to have the angle correct. The solar angle for the Moon is different than the sun

Since all of my panels sit at 37° angle instead of 45.. they're able to do that

At the end of the day the Moon is just sunlight reflected off that high albedo of the surface

[jolly goblet]

I'm going to angle mine a little low for now--optimized for winter.

[real cedar]

Moonlight is not reliable though don't expect it to be. As clouds pass and it ebbs and flows the battery gets a small amount lol

AUR has one.

It never falls below 98%

My goal with all my nodes was to make them have a charging efficiency as high as possible. Not so much focusing on raw current but focusing on extracting as much energy from as much light as is available

Others focused on simplicity so you can by all means use the onboard charge controllers of the nodes that have it baked in

My goal was that a completely snow-covered panel would still charge the device

[prisma saddle]

@wet galleon where did lptop go? did you move it?

[real cedar]

Not sure but I heard it very recently 2h ago. Also MF is working very well. You all show up

Just heard it 3m ago now haha

Let's get a concerted effort to move everybody to seven hops maximum. I want to see if that realistically hurts congestion anymore

[prisma saddle]

weird i had not for 21h.

no trace/etc. anyway no biggie

[real cedar]

I just traced two hops

Fpr aur lone Peak..

I'm in Ogden

It was fast as fuck too

@prisma saddle could you update the documentation to just tell everybody to set their maximum hops to seven

We really don't need to worry about a hop limit

[prisma saddle]

will do

done just waiting on merge.

[wet galleon]

I lost connection to it when we switched to freq 51
Im not sure what happened.
I havent been able to hit it with my mobile node.
Gunna try my rooftop node later today

[real cedar]

T1000Es suck

Hit it with a more powerful node for RA

[jolly goblet]

FYI the Renogy Wanderer 10A is on sale at Amazon

[real cedar]

It's a great charger

[wet galleon]

Im using my heltec v3

But im gunna hit it with my rooftop Wismesh later tonight

[prisma saddle]

ah dang ya not seen it since then. ok cool

21h or so

[real cedar]

I can see it just fine

Check your keys. Check your channel settings. Check your max hops

[prisma saddle]

it was 1-2 hops or less before.

i have not changed anything

i dunno lol

[leaden crow]

I just got a traceroute back from it.

│ 23 │ !f6a998a0 │ GTLP │ LPTop │

Sending traceroute request to !f6a998a0 on channelIndex:0 (this could take a while)
Route traced towards destination:
!eba4d26b --> Unknown (?dB) --> !77272d1f (-7.0dB) --> !f6a998a0 (-4.0dB)
Route traced back to us:
!f6a998a0 --> !77272d1f (-3.0dB) --> !6adda2f2 (7.25dB) --> Unknown (?dB) --> !eba4d26b (3.0dB)

[prisma saddle]

ill just delete it and see if it comes back

ya 33h last seen fro my roof node

killed it off

[jolly goblet]

I also haven't seen LPTop since the switch on Sunday.

[inner jay]

Well that's not good. Found water in my roof node

Doesn't look like it hit the chipset

[inner jay]

Is there a way to test the system via cli?

[umbral ice]

That's what happened to ISR. It stopped txing. swapped out the radio and extra sealed it

Missed a tiny little spot and then rain found the hole

[inner jay]

Seems to be what happened here. It wasnt a lot so it must have been a pinhole

I can hear it on my local nodes just fine. I pulled the filter off it and returned it to stock

[umbral ice]

I just rage sealed it. LOL

[inner jay]

Gonna send out some test messages. Lemme know if you hear HERA

[jolly goblet]

HERA showed up in my node lists a bit ago.

[umbral ice]

Better set your hops to 7 if you want me to hear it haha

[inner jay]

They are lol

[inner jay]

Thats progress. I manually set the owner name in the CLI

My other node was still picking it up as TANO

[jolly goblet]

I'll send HERA a DM. But, I'm only occasionally getting messages out to the mesh.

[inner jay]

What does this mean?
device_state_version: 24

[prisma saddle]

plug it into usb and just run like meshtastic —info make sure it has config and nodes listed.

[inner jay]

Is Overridefrequency supposed to be 0?

"lora": {
"usePreset": true,
"modemPreset": "MEDIUM_FAST",
"region": "US",
"hopLimit": 7,
"txEnabled": true,
"txPower": 30,
"channelNum": 51,
"sx126xRxBoostedGain": true,
"bandwidth": 0,
"spreadFactor": 0,
"codingRate": 0,
"frequencyOffset": 0.0,
"overrideDutyCycle": false,
"overrideFrequency": 0.0,
"paFanDisabled": false,
"ignoreIncoming": [],
"ignoreMqtt": false,
"configOkToMqtt": false

[inner jay]

Should I use plumbers tape on my threads?

[leaden crow]

I'd prefer dielectric grease, or maybe anti-seize compound if your antenna and bulkhead are dissimilar metals

[inner jay]

It's more for water sealing

[leaden crow]

both of those will seal water

[inner jay]

Huh, never thought to use dielectric grease for that

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

Thats what it's for

I tend to overthink and forget the basic shit lol

[leaden crow]

Don't worry about it, we all do.

[inner jay]

Aighty. Silicone sealed every possible entry point and seam. Nothing getting in now lol

T deck got an upgrade while I was at it

[reef ridge]

Lol, the T-deck with a big fat Alfa on it, I love it.

[inner jay]

It's heavy af lol

[umbral ice]

IMO you should take it a step further and do this: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:7051085

[prisma saddle]

LOO

LOL

[umbral ice]

I mean why stop at JUST a bigger antenna?

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/sweet-jesus-scared-shocked-gif-15701226

Portable squawk box there

Question: Any of you messed with custom firmware? I want to change the boot screen on my T-Deck. Been looking into it

I found this but i'm not sure if the method is the same for the MeshUI
https://adrelien.com/custom-logo-for-mehstastic-node/?srsltid=AfmBOooShHYYnpGertLzdCis57-V4Mon1XWjSqgpJvuVV-Gfrldd27jt

[modest bridge]

Hey all, I'm pretty new to this stuff and have played with a few Meshtastic devices but I'm up in NE Utah - Cache County area. Seems like this is the local thread on Discord for UT - most of you are down in SLC area, is that right?

[jolly goblet]

Is that a chonky T-deck in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

[reef ridge]

Welcome in! Yeah, bulk of the people here are down there.

[jolly goblet]

Wasatch Front, at least. But, there is no reason that Cache valley couldn't join the mesh.

[modest bridge]

Thanks! Anyone in here have any info about goings on in Cache Valley? I've been meaning to go a BARC ham club meeting up here to see if anyone there is playing around with Meshtastic, but I haven't yet. I can see probably about 8-10 nodes in Logan, but not much else happening as far as I can tell.
I saw someone post that there was a connection made from UT to ID recently - awesome! #use-cases message

[reef ridge]

Without Promontory Point it'll be harder, but I'm definitely thinking of ways to expand the mesh up here in northern-northern Utah.

[modest bridge]

I think that would be pretty cool to get linked in like that. We have family down south of SLC and it was crazy for me driving down there with a node the other day, so many on the mesh!

[reef ridge]

Yeah, we just set up Francis Peak and that gave us our Idaho link, exciting stuff! I'm assuming you're still on the default preset?

[jolly goblet]

And by "we" it was Mag. Mag gets the credit for that--at least for the latest iteration.

[modest bridge]

That's way cool! Yeah, I haven't done anything to change from Long-Fast besides remove position broadcast but I set up a separate channel? (still learning the nomenclature) the other day that I was using just to ping between the two T-Echos I bought and view location and stuff for fun.

[reef ridge]

Group effort, my friend. I stand on the shoulders of giants. 😅 And without @umbral ice putting up Harrison there'd be no link at all.

[jolly goblet]

As with all things UHF--especially at such low power--height is might.

[modest bridge]

Are you farther North than the city of Logan itself, @reef ridge?

Seems like you all have a great team here. 🙂

[reef ridge]

No, I'm in Ogden, I'd definitely consider it part of the SLC area. But I consider Logan my backyard, I suppose.

[jolly goblet]

@modest bridge This website is a great tool to scout potential locations for a way into Cache valley: https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=WX2G153R

[modest bridge]

Ah gotcha

[modest bridge]

Oh sweet thanks! I was wondering where/how all those cool maps I was seeing in the server were made.

[reef ridge]

We sure do, most of us active here are building a coordinated network on frequency slot 51. Here's our website: https://freq51.net/faq.html

[modest bridge]

Thanks!

[prisma saddle]

great to have you! would love to see how we can help in anyway and how we can expand to your area. feel free to ask anything.

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-dubs-phone-shades-gif-21531601

[prisma saddle]

any luck?

[prisma saddle]

interesting email the ham arden guys were taking about.

[thorn marsh]

Just late to the party as usual. I still need to upgrade the firmwares, but it's a start!

[leaden crow]

He got the first frequency wrong. Default LongFast (20) is 906.875 MHz
https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/radio-settings/

[prisma saddle]

cool we would love to have ya on there!

[prisma saddle]

ah ya.

[modest bridge]

Thanks!

[obsidian storm]

@random meadow HEY. I would love to chat about HaLow!

I bought 3 of these and am very interested in testing them out: https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-WM6180-Wi-Fi-HaLow-mini-PCIe-Module-p-6394.html

[real cedar]

Okay I cave

Who wanted to do Mount wire

Lets make a tank

It's kinda needed for the east side and avenues which I have a vested interest in flawless communication to and from

And by tank I mean it's extremely popular to climb but a locked box will do

It doesn't have to be on the tower but I need at least something that can go 3 ft down and at least 12 ft tall

So out of reach for people

Worst case rufio and I will do it .. wild westin it

It will need an anemometer and to look like a weather station as to not draw more than the "oh hey there's a weather station there"

There's another spot nearby. The trail slips under it and there's trees to cover it being obvious

We still need a pole. I propose coloring it similar to vegetation

Alternative location instead of tower. Red arrow. On heywhats that

Router late would be ideal

@obsidian storm @jolly goblet @leaden crow @vital hemlock @reef ridge

This would give the whole east side a 1 hop exit and the dc801 bot etc

[obsidian storm]

looks like a great spot

[real cedar]

Yeah I'm thinking hiding it on the sunny side of one of those trees

Paint it to blend

[haughty moon]

Do you think it would get messed with if it was on the far side of the tower with an anemometer

[ember torrent]

Anemometer is an expensive ask. What about a solar radiation shield?

[haughty moon]

Doesn’t have to be functional

[ember torrent]

Probably safest to assume it’s gonna get screwed with. Make it a pain to remove and hard to get to.

[obsidian storm]

Channel util is half what it was with LF

[reef ridge]

Tower looks great, we could just put it halfway down or so, so that it's harder to get to.

[real cedar]

Yes on the tower is a problem. The city manages the site

It's a landmark

It will get removed

[reef ridge]

Why is a random tower a landmark?

[real cedar]

Apparently it's not a random tower 😂

The city chose to not have it removed when it was decommissioned

It's on the slc.gov site

Part of the red butte area and all that area is managed

It would be a might dumb idea to put it on the tower unless you want the city hunting all the nodes like they did with the miners

[real cedar]

It's not hard to get to. I've climbed every inch of that tower it's easy to cross the beams and beat the shit out of anything attached so forget about the tower but around the towers area is a candidate

Mt Wire, Mt Vancott, Red butte are all jointly managed by the city and the university. Also the university has a shit ton of sensors and other experiments up there

We will have to be very discrete. Apparently it's not uncommon to see an SLC.gov small traill vehicle up there with someone monitoring the trail like the BST

[acoustic mason]

It's historical because it's part of the Transcontinental Airway System which was used to guide airmail planes before radar and other communications existed. Pilots would look for beacons and concrete arrows that guided them across the country.

Mt. Wire AKA Beacon Peak was on of the navigation towers in that network and it's beacon guided planes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcontinental_Airway_System
https://www.dreamsmithphotos.com/arrow/
https://www.dreamsmithphotos.com/arrow/States/ut/utah.html

[jolly goblet]

I do. And I agree with you that the tower itself is not a good location--especially given the historical nature of it.

I've been thinking that I would put something minimal somewhere up there--perhaps as soon as in a few weeks. But, I wouldn't expect it to last long--more to see how the location works for the mesh.

[jolly goblet]

Very interesting and good to know. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

[leaden crow]

I've been thinking about this. One dilemma with a lot of places in the foothills is that the trees you have are scrub or brush, not good for mounting a tree node. I think we either search for a tree large enough to install the node on, or we give up trying to camouflage it and make it look as legit as we can. POTM is the perfect example. It has Strava segments leading right up to where it's installed and nobody has touched it in almost 2 years.
If we copy POTM, the real difficulty is getting a post that size installed. I'm sure the people that installed that POTM post drove it up the fire roads. I think this might be feasible for taking up on an ebike:
https://www.amazon.com/InstaPole-Fourteen-Foot-Galvanized-Universal-Post-Mount/dp/B0DGZHF1JS/?th=1
Based on the weight I think it is 2 x .120 Round Tube. I would set the bottom segment 2-3' in post mix then epoxy the other segments of the pole. Probably only use 4 segments to get to 9-10' Then make the node look like a weather station.

[jolly goblet]

That little hill to the northwest is an interesting idea.

[jolly goblet]

How tall do you think it needs to be? I understand that there would be several reasons for the height: (a) better radio performance; (b) to get above the snow.

[leaden crow]

Above 8' preferably 9-10' any lower and somebody without a stepladder or some dedication can just open it, cut cables, etc.

I think with that segmented pole, you could do 1 trip with a couple of ebikes taking just the first pole segment, postmix, digging tools, water. Set and level the first segment. Make a second trip with the rest of the pole segments and node a day or so later.

[real cedar]

Rufio and I are discussing it

We have an idea

We would just pedal bike it up with the cargo bike and mtn bike but a pole painted the color of bark in that northwest hill is perfect because it's not shrubs. There's actually some trees on it. About 10 ft tall trees

[real cedar]

Pppfft mount wires snow pack is piddly squat

I've hiked it in winter with boots not snowshoes

Salt Lake is too warm to really care about that at its elevation

@leaden crow there's another way. The small rak enclosures can angle mount to a tree and those trees there are small and ideal. It would blend and likely survive the winter just fine

No need to go big

They shade the trail they are the same size as the ones we saw going up nelson

[leaden crow]

Can't tell from the photo. Looks like most of the low scrub around BST. If you have trees large enough to install on, I completely agree.
I haven't hiked Mt. Wire in at least a decade, so I don't remember the vegetation surrounding it.

[real cedar]

They are about 11-13 ft tall last I was there. The shrubbery around the trail obscures them from view. Would be a matter of finding one with ideal sun due to the small solar panel

Anything on a pole that does sit obvious on that Hill will get spotted and likely reported

It's a tourist hike

Because of how easy it is

I need a angle mount for the raks box though

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-palin-monty-python-holy-grail-knights-who-say-ni-shrubbery-gif-18773179

[jolly goblet]

I was just attempting to get a photo of that hill through binoculars--with my cell phone. But, I couldn't get anything worth looking at.
I am to the south west {edit: change east to west}, and there appear to be some good trees. One of my rifles has a scope with a higher magnification than my binoculars, but I'm hesitant to pull that out and start pointing it around. Maybe it is time to buy that spotting scope I've had my eye on.
Did someone say these are low-cost radios?

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/american-sniper-bradley-cooper-gif-18948997

[jolly goblet]

This one is ok. The second one is just for context.

[jolly goblet]

Be sure to pack a herring.

[real cedar]

Just take the scope off the rail 🤣

Yes there's lots of trees. I personally am exhausted this week so it's not happening this week. It may happen during the freeze and snow idk. I have a drill auger and nothing defeats it

[jolly goblet]

I have another scope, only 18x, but it is on a picatinny rail mount. So, I did take that one off, and try it. And I can see closer. But, it is nearly impossible to take a picture though it because of the long eye relief. Anyway....

Yeah, I hear you. If I could get away from working for long enough, I'd just hike up and take some photos up close. But, that probably isn't happening this week and I'm out of the country next week. So, I'm not very helpful for a bit. Sorry.

[strong pagoda]

I have an auger, and can hike anything. I have a Tacoma I’m willing to drive pretty much anywhere as long as consequences are just a ticket worst case lmao.

Am willing to shell out some cash for a build, and have some free time in the coming weeks.

I’ve learned a lot over the last weeks, but would feel more comfortable with someone building the node and myself just cementing it in place!

Just point me in a direction if we need a body to get things planted.

Let me know if I can help at all! 😎

[real cedar]

We will be in touch 😆

I have to make the node first

[strong pagoda]

Love it!! Sounds good! Just hit me up!

I want to contribute a bit more! 😂😎💪

[inner jay]

Loving the energy

[prisma saddle]

ha ha ya. id love to do all that. but family life. all im good for is doc updates lol

[inner jay]

Im restricted to urban ops since i don't get up the mountains often lol

[strong pagoda]

Im lucky enough to make my own schedule. Only a Girlfriend and no kids right now. So I figure my ass better be useful while yall are dealing with responsibility!!

Been involved in lots of outdoor hobbies, so setting nodes is actually a good combination of a few of them 👍🔥

I also drive up to twins falls quit a bit to BASE jump, so it’s literally perfect 😂

[leaden crow]

You have a mountain bike? I wouldn't mind taking someone to WC1 and WC2 so I have a backup plan for those nodes.

[jolly goblet]

Can I contribute some money? I could deliver cash in an envelope to 801 Labs. Would that get to you?

[real cedar]

I'd ideally not like to use the space as a money drop 🤣. I think I already have most of what's needed. I'll let you know if anything costs much. I'm aiming cheap because this node could get lost or destroyed

[jolly goblet]

A parts drop? Let me know.

[strong pagoda]

I have one but I haven’t ridden in awhile and would need to get it spiffed back up. I’ll have it ready for next season. For now it’s just truck or on foot for me.

Wish I wouldn’t have sold my dirt bike earlier this season lol

[umbral ice]

I sold mine years ago and have regretted it every season since. Then instead of buying a new one, I bought a house and more radio technology than I ever thought I would LOL

I'm up in Twin and if you ever wanna hike Black Pine Peak, @real cedar would love it LOL

[real cedar]

Yes that would be very ideal @strong pagoda

[umbral ice]

I could get a 1w rak together for it fairly quickly if I trailcammed it, or might be able to put together a birdhouse build

[strong pagoda]

Alright, time to make my list of needed hikes!!

I’m actually thinking of heading up there tomorrow to jump till Sunday. So I could take a day if it was high priority.

I really don’t know what’s on the top of the list of whats needed.

That’s actually not a bad idea. To make a solid list to have posted of What nodes and what locations are needing better coverage.

[leaden crow]

Also, scouting is a great idea. I'd recommend always doing a scouting trip before you try and place the node. Give yourself time to really explore options, so you're not trying to quickly shoehorn the node in some predetermined location that doesn't work.

[leaden crow]

It would pretty much be next year at this point. I'm going to try for Friday, but this is what it looks like rn.

[strong pagoda]

That’s what I was afraid of. Was out of town this week, and only got back to sunshine.

Heard about the snow!

[leaden crow]

I think I will make this my roof node antenna when NPR 2.0 is up.

[inner jay]

Vintage keyboard

[leaden crow]

I have everything for another Xiao node except a good antenna. I just started printing the enclosure. I'll get it built in the next 1-2 weeks if we have a location and somebody willing to place it. I do have 3 Nebra antennas, I could just measure which of those is the best.

[inner jay]

HERA is back in the air! Even got a DM from hackerspace

[real cedar]

😂 mount Wire?

[leaden crow]

Maybe, it might take me like 2 - 3 weeks to build. I've got about 5 other projects plus work going on.

[real cedar]

I mean I wouldn't get up there until the end of October. Will be chilly 😆

[main stag]

This is awesome. For the most part I’m collecting this data. Would just need to make some more dashboards. I wonder and kind of suspect they could have multiple nodes logging too.

[inner jay]

Who put up Traverse Mountain? Just popped up on my list

[prisma saddle]

that is @formal jackal

[inner jay]

Noice. I have direct LOS to it 🙂

[prisma saddle]

maybe. lots of stuff going on there.

[prisma saddle]

so what’s the seq stuff?

[jolly goblet]

Someone turned on range testing

[prisma saddle]

ah ok.

[obsidian storm]

I don't hear it.

must be 0 hop

[jolly goblet]

I believe you have to have it enabled. And I don't think it hops.

To hear it.

[prisma saddle]

i see it in freq51.

[inner jay]

Weird, I don't see those

[jolly goblet]

Range test messages transmit on channel 0. So if that user has the Freq51 settings in channel 0 they will show up on Freq51. And if you have the range test module in your radio enabled, and if you are in range, and on Freq51, you will get the range test messages.

[obsidian storm]

I just fixed a timezone issue with https://meshview.freq51.net
things will have the wrong times for a few hours while it gets back into sync.

[jolly goblet]

The range test module can be enabled, but not be set to transmit anything.

[jolly goblet]

If you have the module disabled, or are not in range (0 hops), then you won't see the messages.

[prisma saddle]

i don’t have it enabled.

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-time-david-tennant-wobbly-timey-wimey-stuff-gif-8120490

[slate urchin]

I just set up my RAK 4631 as a repeater. We are going to be setting this up the MT for everyone in Eagle MT. But I need help, I can’t connect to it remotely.

[prisma saddle]

ok don’t ser it as repeater. prob be more of a client depending on position far it? . @obsidian storm @real cedar

[real cedar]

Don't set it as a repeater. It's a bad idea. Set it as a client. Client will do just fine. Repeater doesn't decode any packets.

Repeater is next to a useless mode tbch

[prisma saddle]

repeaters not listed on node list. also prob why you can’t RA it.

[slate urchin]

Okay let me change it

[haughty moon]

what location are you thinking of putting it at?

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/

Run a new panorama and send us the pic

[slate urchin]

I am trying to get it in a spot where I could hit Lake MT so I can get to the other side of the valley. Any help with the location, I will take!

Anyone willing to help walk me through setting it up so I can remotely access it?

[umbral ice]

Assuming it isn't a repeater (because those don't show up in the node list).

Copy your desired admin nodes' public key (if you have had it since before 2.6.11 you may want to regerate it in the Security menu)

On the node you want to RA, go to the security menu and then paste your node into the admin list.

Save and test by reconnecting to your admin node and try RA

I've had terrible success with iOS and much more success via android. Some folks swear by cli 😛

[slate urchin]

I have named the Node Bairds_repeater. Don't worry, it's a client now. When I connect to it with Bluetooth, is that the one that I take the public key and add it to the admin line? Or I take my other node and past its admin key in Bairds repeater?

@umbral ice sorry I am a noob at this

[umbral ice]

You'll take your node (not the repeater) and put it's public key into Bairds_repeater

into Bairds_repeater's admin key section in security

What interface are you doing this in?

[umbral ice]

no worries. we all start somewhere 😄

[slate urchin]

IOS lol, But my fold comes tomorrow, so I will be on Android.

[slate urchin]

Once I paste the Key into the repeaters primary admin key, then I get back on my other node and

Then do this ?

[umbral ice]

Yep

You have to wait for it to let you tho

[slate urchin]

how long will that take?

[umbral ice]

No idea lol. I have had it work once ever lmao

Android RA seems more reliable to me

[slate urchin]

LOL

Okay I can try this tomorrow as well :).

Is there anything that tells you when you are connected?

[umbral ice]

Optiosn will light up below

Like channels thats grayed out

[slate urchin]

So it hates me right now ?

[umbral ice]

yep

and it doens't tell you why

[slate urchin]

lol

[umbral ice]

i mean there might be somewhere it does

but 🤷

[slate urchin]

Do you use your private key for anything?

[umbral ice]

You can change it. It's essentially what creates your public key

[slate urchin]

Oh okay. And the key that I copy over is the public one?

[umbral ice]

correct

I didn't understand that at first and couldn't understand why my private key couldn't admin anything lol

[slate urchin]

Does this need to be on?

[umbral ice]

Managed device prevents you from changing anything WITHOUT using RA

Dont' turn that on

then you can't plug it in and change anything or connect via BT and change stuff

[slate urchin]

oh shit, good call hehe

[obsidian storm]

For location, you're going to want in this area

if you get a good spot, it might make a nice ROUTER_LATE

[slate urchin]

Do you have a cords for where would be the best?

[haughty moon]

I was planning on buiilding a amplified and filtered node for flat top mtn if we want to try to plan both nodes to best cover the area

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=BVSX78XM

[obsidian storm]

No. I don't know the area well enough. Higher the better.

Stick in the red area

[slate urchin]

@haughty moon I am game for anything to help get messages in and out of Eagle MT.

[obsidian storm]

I suggest you park at the Cedar Fort Rodeo Arena

and then hike up the mtn

and put it as high up the ridge line as you can.

Get it on a pole, if you can too

you want it above the snow

If you want it REALLY GOOD

go to the top of the mtn

"Flat Top Mountain"

Bring a pole

and put it about 20ft away from this thing

[slate urchin]

What is that?

[obsidian storm]

no clue

but if it's near that, people will think it's official

and won't touch it.

that'll be an amazing spot

and you can get into the valley without LAKE at all

[slate urchin]

Can I drive up that way in a jeep? lol

[haughty moon]

which peak is the pic from?

[obsidian storm]

you might be able to get here

[obsidian storm]

Flat Top Mountain

[obsidian storm]

there's someone's house/compound near here

so there's a road, though it might be really bad

might be for motorbikes only dunno

[haughty moon]

ah the proper peak. I found it

[obsidian storm]

I think flat top can see LOS to:
LAKE, AUR, NPR, and FPR

so it's pretty awesome for connecting Eagle MTN up

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=HT3C96AW

[haughty moon]

Check out this one east a peak. https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=BVSX78XM

[obsidian storm]

that can hit POTM too

but not so much in grantsville

[haughty moon]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=WM3RWGGI

Im also planning on doing one in the northern stansbury mtns

[obsidian storm]

would be sweeet

[haughty moon]

so between those two and stansbury island. I should be able to bring in the west side

[obsidian storm]

yes

[haughty moon]

parts on order so hopefully before too much snow lol

[obsidian storm]

even those two should be good enough

[haughty moon]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=R56JWURV