US - Utah

[prisma saddle]

meh my homelab vmware datastore decided to crash over night.

20 min reboot it is..

[prisma saddle]

Sweet doing ota rak firmware update.

@obsidian storm would this info be worth wile adding to the site? https://pvmesh.org/howto/ota-update/#:~:text=If you’re using an Android device you can,Firmware Update app from the Google Play store.

[obsidian storm]

probably!

[real cedar]

It's for any device that can submit neighbor info so stationary clients should be allowed onto it but not every device needs to be. However I personally have no issue with people using it to broadcast their location to the map automatically either. The only thing we don't want them to mess up is that neighbor info and stuff

Just so long as people aren't using mobile clients and moving devices to broadcast neighbor info. Because if that happens the data gets real funky

Btw how has the neighbor info collection been going?

[obsidian storm]

It's working!

[prisma saddle]

holy crap! way more than there was

before.

[reef ridge]

So close, yet so far away.

[quasi surge]

lol @ AUR being the best connected

https://gource.io/ style visualization to see the mesh evolve over time would be very neat

[reef ridge]

There's a node In Ogden that I can hit from my house that can hear Layton Parkway but can't transmit to it, it would be cool if I can convince that guy to upgrade but he never respondes to any messages. 😭

[quasi surge]

link budget mismatch, my beloathed

there are several nodes where I have way better rx sensitivity than them and have the same thing

like, 3 hops outbound 6 inbound

[reef ridge]

Stupid topography making things hard for no reason. The FPR components can't get here fast enough.

Actually, does anybody know who owns OgdenBench? That's the node I'm talking about.

[quasi surge]

Is there a color code for directionality?

[vital hemlock]

I assume this is yours, not mine. I thought about standing up a second just for Freq51, because mine is showing LongFast for everyone else. And right now I cannot find a way to use more than one key. I can sub multiple mqtt topics, but if they have different keys I'm boned.

[prisma saddle]

oh this new app is pretty cool.

can connect to network nodes too. will have to boot up one to try.

[reef ridge]

Can it do anything the official app can't?

[prisma saddle]

this is the beta one.

got garth to add me to testflight.

umm ya

[worldly knot]

Just setup my first meshtastic in Park City. I'm up high and have a very good line of sight but no nodes found. Surely there some around here.

[reef ridge]

I don't think the main mesh can reach Park City yet. Are you on LF51 or still on LF20?

[vital hemlock]

If you are on LongFast, default channel, you should see some. If you are on LongFast, channel 51, I dont think we didn't have anyone else up there. We do now. 🙂

[prisma saddle]

Yes welcome.

[prisma saddle]

ah cool tcp connected. @reef ridge

[reef ridge]

Ah, nice! Is that one iOS only?

[prisma saddle]

i have it on macos too haha didnt know they had that

android can do that already

sec will toss a screenshot

@reef ridge

[inner jay]

Hmm. My inlaws live in PC. Wonder if they'd be opposed to placing a router there

[prisma saddle]

i wonder if the store forward on kr1p is causing any issues. soo weird i get pretty quck node broadcast info from it when i reset node list.. but cany really bounce any trace to it.

[leaden crow]

I have 2 nodes up on Wasatch Crest that could potentially connect Park City. They are on the West side of the crest, and just peek over the top of it. I think you would need a node up in the mountains on the North or East side of Park City to connect up.

[inner jay]

Where is Wasatch crest? That near mouth of parleys?

Or is that up cottonwood?

[leaden crow]

It's the ridge west of park city from big cottonwood to millcreek.
https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/3654027/wasatch-crest

One of the nodes is here:
https://www.summitpost.org/silver-peak-ut/465207
The other is on the ridge just west of red pine lake.

If they were on the actual summit, LoS would be this:
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=WAAH4PDL
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=N3XFLWCW
Those won't be accurate because the nodes aren't on the actual summit, they are right below it on the west side.

[inner jay]

Hmm. Their house is up near trailside so that would cover N PC but prob wouldn't hit those nodes

Maybe a tunnel up parleys may connect. One at louland falls and one at summit park

I need to find an in at UDOT so I can tie into the weather cam towers

[leaden crow]

This has been discussed. I can almost guarantee you it would never happen. They have no incentive to do this, it's all risk for them. Potential interference, battery failures, wind and load ratings for their tower...

Park City is not really my goal, but I will keep adding / upgrading the WC nodes. That would probably be the easiest way right now to connect to the valley. If I end up riding at PCMR or Bob's Basin, I'll take my T1000E and see if I can reach the WC nodes. Just looking at the maps, I'd guess that one node up in Silver Summit could cover most of Park City and connect to WC2.

[inner jay]

I'm up there frequently enough so I can do an on the ground survey

Hell I wonder if my friends at pcmr might be up for posting a node at Jupiter to help with their backcountry rescues

Thats got LoS to both valleys

[reef ridge]

How well do the mountain nodes handle the cold? What precautions have you guys taken for it?

[leaden crow]

https://yycmesh.com/2025/04/19/cold-weather-charging-of-lithium-ion-batteries-real-world-lessons-from-the-meshtastic-community/

We have ~half a dozen that survived last winter. I have been using these batteries in my nodes. We'll see how they hold up. https://store.rokland.com/products/molicel-21700-p42a-4200mah-45a-battery

As far as precautions; Waterproof and UV protect enclosure as much as possible, BMS, batteries in fire-safe lithium bags, desiccant.
Ultimately if a node dies, it's ~$100 in hardware. Learn from failures and upgrade. My biggest worry is causing a forest fire, not a node failure. I think it's a pretty low risk with the small batteries we're using and taking precautions.

[reef ridge]

That's why I was considering lifepo4, I really don't want to cause a fire!

But everywhere I read online says they perform worse in the cold than regular lithium ion batteries. 🤔

[leaden crow]

They are much worse for low temp charging than NMC. LTO is really the best, but I think based on the yycmesh evidence, not really necessary

LTO charge controllers are expensive and the batteries are low capacity. Still if I were putting a node somewhere I couldn't easily service it, I'd probably go LTO.

[leaden crow]

Also, adding to this. My wife has solar garden lights from Costco or Sam's Club that I'm positive have garbage tier batteries in them. They have survived multiple winters now. I'm always surpised they're still working.

[reef ridge]

I hadn't considered that, I've had the same kind of light in my garden for 5 years now.

They're still on in the morning when I go to work, even in the winter.

[leaden crow]

I don't care enough to deconstruct one, but for what those things cost, it's got to be the cheapest pouch cell possible.

[keen glen]

There's a cell? tower visible from the west side of the Lake Mountain range, not too far from where LAKE currently is

[prisma saddle]

you see that on he EM side

?

[keen glen]

Yep

[prisma saddle]

see it on east lake site?

go toss a node on it :_

[keen glen]

Not sure if it's visible from east side

All I've got is handhelds currently, and still working on putting a Nebra together

[prisma saddle]

heh im working on one of my nebra now.. moved the sma antanna plug to where the ipex one was.

[obsidian storm]

What is store and forward being used for here?

[obsidian storm]

There's a few towers on lake mountain

Are you trying to get signals somewhere ?

[keen glen]

Just thinking about options for Eagle Mountain on the west side of the range, since I can't ping anything except every now and then a node called solar:3 by Eureka.

[obsidian storm]

I think the correct solution for eagle Mountain is Lowe Peak

And then one or two really good roof nodes at some people's houses

I have some hardware that I would love to get up there, but I am not a hiker

And that is very much a hiking trip

So it would have to be something I would prepare for next spring

[keen glen]

Lowe peak is privately owned though, right?

[obsidian storm]

There's already a radio tower up there that has been abandoned that would work really well for this.

[prisma saddle]

dunno. it is on layton router.

[inner jay]

Ok so I think I setup my device with the right info from the web site. Not seeing any other nodes yet, although I am inside my house

This look right for my channel list?

[obsidian storm]

It takes quite a while for nodes to populate

Talk on longfast

It does look like you have it correct though!

[inner jay]

Sent a ping. Showing 2 online/2 total

Gonna take it with me to run an errand. I'll see if it populates in open air

[obsidian storm]

Yeah. I didn't pick up your message

Sending from indoors can be a little difficult

[inner jay]

I'm up to 10 online

Hmm getting max retransmissions reached on messages

[quasi surge]

What part of town are you in?

[inner jay]

West valley. Currently sitting in a parking lot off 5600w

But I live near valley fair

I am using a small stubby antenna that came with the unit. May need something better

[obsidian storm]

what unit?

I migrated https://freq51.net to cloudflare pages so it should never go down.

[inner jay]

I've got this and using the official app. Not sure if I got everything entered right for the Freq51 stuff though

https://a.co/d/dVg4T7O

[prisma saddle]

def work on a diff antenna when possible. most stock antennas are better off as a dog toy.

great info on what works best for lora 915. https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/antennas/

all these have been tested and give their info.

[inner jay]

Any suggestions on tx power?

Nvm. I connected the device to wifi and now it works lol. Prob not what I want tho

[prisma saddle]

ya wifi will block from bluetooth connection.

[inner jay]

Yeah all those messages were MQTT. This look right?

[vital hemlock]

You won’t need mqtt on handheld nodes 👍

Set hop limit to 5 or 7, you won’t need 10. Five is most likely safe. Other settings look good

[inner jay]

Hmm. Dunno why I can't get a message out

Hey one said acnowledged

[obsidian storm]

I picked it up !

[inner jay]

Yeah that's the only one that got through lol

[prisma saddle]

Hmm i’ve not seen anything. weird.

oh i did get it.

forgot i was not home when you did it. roof node got it.

[inner jay]

Seems I'm getting messages ok.

SLC and herriman reported back

Seem to be just having issues sending

[prisma saddle]

and in most casss that will be needing it higher in the air.

roof node would be the saving grace.

[inner jay]

It's currently sitting in my window on the 2nd floor.

[prisma saddle]

that wa mine after a month of messing with it.

[inner jay]

Testing with some different antennas I have. Might not be the right freq tho

[prisma saddle]

ya they won’t be.

[inner jay]

Think I'm gonna pick up the RL one. I have RL stuff for my flipper and I like them

[prisma saddle]

flipper is on my buy list one day. cool looking little toy.

[inner jay]

I really like mine. Best multitool I've gotten for that field

[reef ridge]

Yeah, the stock antennas are terrible. I tested mine the SWR was almost at 6. 😵‍💫

[prisma saddle]

interesting.

[inner jay]

Weird. It's not relaying my callsign

[prisma saddle]

ya your not on my node list.

[inner jay]

How do you test that?

[reef ridge]

I used a device called a NanoVNA.

Really useful if you're getting into radio as a hobby in general, it can do more than just testing SWR.

[prisma saddle]

yup they not bad priced.

works fine for my uses. https://a.co/d/8NjYpll

[inner jay]

Flupper can tell me I'm at least transmitting lol

[reef ridge]

I got mine on AliExpress for 30 bucks, but Amazon is better if you're impatient for sure.

Oh, those are neat. I was thinking of getting one of the HackRF clones, a similar device.

[inner jay]

Yeah hackrf is a nice one

Flipper Zero is what actually brought me to Meshtastic

[prisma saddle]

hmm it’s slightly off. 51 is actually 914.625.

[prisma saddle]

cool why?

[inner jay]

F0 is largely used for subghz sniffing and emulating. Was watching videos on the theory and MT came up

[prisma saddle]

oh sweet! you opened any tesla gas doors yet?

[inner jay]

Oh yes! my coworkers have them lol

[inner jay]

Not sure if thats just a limitation of the F0 antenna. The frequency analyzer is hopping withing a few decimals of .625

[prisma saddle]

funny stuff.

[prisma saddle]

Sweet, both diy nebra hats work. one only on filter other on either. which is fine. .

Thanks again @obsidian storm

[inner jay]

So what do yall use the mesh for?

[prisma saddle]

currently? a hobby to tinker with. Future plan, emergency prep .contact with family in other areas if/when the grid goes out.. etc..

[leaden crow]

I have a group of friends that used our T1000E extensively when we were in Grand Teton and Yellowstone this summer. The parks were super crowded and phone service was spotty or non-existent. I hope to have the coverage in Millcreek good enough I could get messages through if needed (much of Wasatch Crest and Millcreek canyon has no phone service). Although that use case has diminished now that iphones have sat 911.

[reef ridge]

It's fun, big mesh goes brrr.

[lilac shadow]

huh literally going to yellowstone this weekend. ... guess i better bring some radios

[reef ridge]

Plus having the means to communicate without a third party's permission is appealing. That's why I like self hosting as much as possible too.

[leaden crow]

T-mobile service was the worst. My Verizon hotspot worked about 75% of the time. We were camped in Gros Ventre and no service whatsoever there. If you have groups trying to meet up after parking really far apart, it's really helpful.

[obsidian storm]

I use it to track my kids as they run around the neighborhood

[reef ridge]

I wouldn't get to have fun making one if yours didn't break. 😂

[leaden crow]

I'd rather have Batman tracking my kids than Google, Apple, Meta...

[prisma saddle]

i use it to track this guy while he is tracking that guys kids. @obsidian storm

[obsidian storm]

My favorite part is that I have used the buzzer of the seed trackers, and then trained the children that when I send them a buzz message it means they have to come home

They're not old enough to have cell phones yet so this has worked very well

[prisma saddle]

hmmm can you train my kids to listen?

[reef ridge]

That's a good idea, maybe when my daughter is old enough to run around semi-independently I could get her one of those T-watches. 🤔

[keen glen]

Any tips on getting the Nebra EMMC reflashed to dietpi? I can't get it to enumerate on two of my sdcard adapters.

I have some microSD cards, but I'd rather reuse the EMMC if I can

[prisma saddle]

you using balencia?

[reef ridge]

You sure it wasn't DOA?

[prisma saddle]

https://www.balena.io/etcher

[prisma saddle]

ya i had one like that.

[keen glen]

I can't even get it to show up on the demsg/journalctl in linux

[keen glen]

That's probably it then, it's just completely unresponsive

NVM, it just decided to work

No idea why this time of unplugging/plugging in did the trick

[reef ridge]

Everyone says it's terrible and doesn't work in their docs, I've never tried it. Do you use it?

[keen glen]

I've used it before. It's fine. dd is fine too.

It was better (i.e. cleaner ui) a few years ago imo

[reef ridge]

I just use the raspberry pi one, works well.

[prisma saddle]

i use it so much. with my diy lighting stuff. and flashing cards for that.

but ya what ever works for you is the best :).

[inner jay]

I'm still having serious issues sending messages. I'm receiving things fine and I'm finding a lot of nodes. Think I need to refresh my key?

[prisma saddle]

nope. you need a outside roof node.

or one up in a tree.

[inner jay]

So receiving normally but not being able to send is a signal issue?

[prisma saddle]

in my experience it is. but maybe others have some other ideas.

[keen glen]

Yeah, this is how mine is. I'm able to send sometimes, but I can mostly receive. Coverage is blocked by Lake Mountain

I'm working on a house node

[prisma saddle]

when i started this in march or so i had my t1000e inside. on fs20. saw all sorts of nodes. could not talk at all. they have poor sending signal.

as soon as i got something outside. was like night and day.

and even better once i got off fs20 to 51

[inner jay]

Hmm yeah I jumped straight into 51

[real cedar]

@reef ridge what is your schedule for FPR

Need to know so I can talk with layton parkway directly about his router

[inner jay]

@prisma saddle just to double check, is this right?

[reef ridge]

Hopefully within the next two weeks, depends on how fast my components come in.

I'm not sure how long JLPCB takes, I've never ordered customs before. And Luckfox didn't even give me tracking information so I have no idea about the timeline there.

Wishing I went through Amazon now just for the peace of mind, but they were more than double the price. 🤷‍♂️

[real cedar]

Do you want me to donate a nebra?

Like cuz we don't have a ton of time before snow .. it's September.. October on the peaks is usually first snow

[reef ridge]

I know, I heard first snow is likely next week. What do you mean by donate a Nebra? That's too power hungry for a solar node.

[real cedar]

ROFL no it's not. That's easy. But I'll let you build yours if you spent the money on it. And yeah first snows in September. October you start to get the consistent freeze. November gets dicey

[reef ridge]

If you got the equipment now it's better. The sense of accomplishment I'd get would be great and all, but I wouldn't want to risk having to wait until summer for that.

[real cedar]

Ehh you got time. Just keep me posted. I'll keep one as a backup plan. I'll work on trekking up promontory

Skipping between private land claims

[reef ridge]

Corner hopping, the way to go!

I'll keep you updated, I'll assemble everything else in the mean time.

[real cedar]

I'm putting all my router plans into high gear. We are getting close to the time crunch hahahha

Someone please contact KRIP Layton park way and invite him to the discord .. I'd like to have a reliable way to contact him

[prisma saddle]

ya. his node is pretty iffy. :(.

i’ll try to reach out.

[prisma saddle]

you getting lowe or npr still?

hey you have robs contact info ? we would love to get him here on discord

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm is doing Lowe

I'm gonna try to get to NPR

[real cedar]

Please do .. if he doesn't we might have to globally blacklist him 🙁 or move frequencies. I do not want that at all but I also don't really want to have patience for people who elect to join a frequency slot with rules and don't follow them

[prisma saddle]

i’ll spam around looking. i know he is a ham. so will try that route too.

[real cedar]

Go for it. Like I'm not angry or anything I don't wanna give off the wrong idea. I just want to assure they at least acknowledge it's a highly coordinated network and we welcome all who are willing to do the same

Cuz it would be a shame after all the effort if people didn't recognize the time and money spent 😂

[keen glen]

What's wrong with the Layton node?

[pseudo kestrel]

Sorry to ping @obsidian storm, are you aware that the MeshBook is down?

[obsidian storm]

Are you sure?

Look at that

I broke the dns

[obsidian storm]

Fixed

I forgot that the domain was a CNAME to the main site so when I moved the main site to cloudflare pages, the cnames broke

[pseudo kestrel]

Thank you Bash ^_^

[manic fractal]

Did you see that someone in Berlin torched some of their power grid infrastructure? Power was down in the city with no cell or telephone. They used their mesh to good effect. A successful real world emergency use case.

[reef ridge]

What BMS did you use? And how did you bind the cells together? Did you spot weld them or use a holder?

[real cedar]

It's misplaced. We don't want routers in the valley. That's for the mountain tops. The same goes for devices in buildings.

I think this is an education issue. Changing to router will not make you send messages more reliably. That is simply not how the network functions..

A client does the exact same thing ... In a slightly different contention window

Use client 99% of the time

[keen glen]

Ahhh, got it

[real cedar]

I'll toss a bone though. If people want better coverage in the valley then make a bunch of small low profile solar powered clients and go place them in strategic places to lighten up dead zones. That's a good way to help haha

[prisma saddle]

found his email, will see if it works. @real cedar

[real cedar]

Thank you!!!

Bash and I spoke about this last night at the hacker space. We really need to drive this home and educate. We are going to do our own due diligence in the docs so we ensure we are informing people

[prisma saddle]

sweet.. will be doing the same at the training i am doing next week. 🙂

[real cedar]

Hell yeah. That's great.

[prisma saddle]

been working on some of the site. will be using that as my material so ya..

[real cedar]

Definitely. Bash had a point if we can make it really really good for somebody who is a beginner or like they're five and then also good for somebody who's medium level experienced. That's the kind of the target of these docs

[prisma saddle]

exactly. going to get some input from them too and how it can be improved/etc..

If i can get it understandable/readable by the older crowd.. then we are good lol

[real cedar]

Wow! Thanks for pointing that out

I completely forgot some of these people are going to be amateur radio folks that are well into their elderly ages

That could explain not understanding the OG documentation from the developer since it's written from the perspective of hackers and developers 🤣

That would be a really great thing for you to do. I'm very curious to see what you come up with

[prisma saddle]

ya like my dad is one of them. set his node up in grantsville last week. it hits layton router. but generally stops there. anyway loots of learning to be had.

[real cedar]

That's a big problem. Yeah I hate to say track him down but we need to 😆

His nodes becoming a problem

[keen glen]

I'm currently using only the guide on Freq51 for setting up my nebra, and I've got some additional suggested changes I'll throw up in a PR.
One thing that I'm hugely missing from there is initial hostname/network settings, esp. for someone without POE to power the board. I'm assuming editing the /etc/dietpi.config is probably the way to go initially.
We also need a warning about rotating the N-type connectors while removing/installing antennas, since that can torque the cables too much and snap the conductor.

[prisma saddle]

Good call, Pr it up. and ya anything you are noticing on the setup that is missing package installs/etc..

[obsidian storm]

So I'm going to do another run of Nebra boards since we have all run out.

Could I get a count of everyone who would like to say they want one? Just respond with:
"I want x# of Nebra boards. I would like them presoldered or not for $5/board"

I'm just going to list them for exactly what we spend. This isn't me making money, it's just us doing a group buy together. The end cost will probably be somewhere between $20 and $30. Depends on how many people sign up

[prisma saddle]

wow $5 how so cheap now ohhh got it. 🙂

""I want 1x of Nebra boards" And no need to solder. think i have "Mastered" it.. ha ha

[obsidian storm]

For anyone on the general discord, I'm not shipping these. If you're not in utah or not willing to come pick them up at my house, this isn't for you.

wehooper4 has better ones that he's willing to ship. Better to give him the money. This is just a group by for our local club

[reef ridge]

Who are you going through for the boards and components? JLPCB?

[obsidian storm]

I'll probably pick up the components directly from digikey. The board house will be whoever gives us the cheapest quote

Lasttime it was jlpcb

[reef ridge]

Oh, buy the components at a separate place. I wasn't sure if that would be cheaper or not because of shipping.

I was wondering because the FemtoFoxes were pretty pricey, but I Got everything through JLPCB.

[obsidian storm]

It gets cheap when you're building 20 of them

Then shipping doesn't matter as much

Last time it was only about $12 for the component shipping

These boards are fairly simple too

[reef ridge]

I guess it's all about quantity, yeah. What's the plan for the Nebra Hats? You have suitable places to put Nebras up?

@real cedar Do you have any recommendations for BMS. I want to try to get everything right the first time because we're tight on time.

[real cedar]

Well to be honest, what is this for? What kind of battery pack configuration? I haven't been following the chat for a second

If it's for the nebra and you need 12 volts, I would suggest the renigi 12 volt pwm solar charge management controller from Amazon

It's cheap. It's configurable and if you make a 12 volt lithium ion battery you can configure its start and stop charge voltages and discharge voltages respectively

And usually it's available on same day shipping with Amazon

If your building a 4.2 volt battery just go get an adafruit BQ based solar charge manager

Or waveshare board

[reef ridge]

It's for the Femtofox, I'm planning on using the renology solar charge controller and assembling a 3s?p battery to go with it.

[reef ridge]

Don't you still need a BMS in conjunction with the solar charge controller? How would it manage balancing?

[real cedar]

Balancing is an optional feature. In reality, yes, you'll lose a little bit of pack efficiency, but who really cares

I would put it together. I would charge it with 12 volts if that's the voltage you're aiming for and I wouldn't worry about it because at the end of the day when all of the batteries are topped off and the solar is still there, it's going to balance all of those cells anyway as a natural result

[reef ridge]

I'm more worried about setting the mountain on fire than optimizing efficiency.

[real cedar]

Well let me put you a little bit at ease. I want you to go watch some videos about people who actually try to get a lithium battery to catch on fire. And I think you'll realize it's actually a very hard thing to do

And that's on purpose. They design these cells so they don't do it. So it takes an extreme set of conditions or well outside the conditions. The battery is expected and certified to operate it

For example, charging a singular cell above 4.2 volts

Now you can't really do that in a series pack config but you could do that in all parallel config

[reef ridge]

Even if it's in an xSxP configuration?

[real cedar]

That could have a chance but only if you had a really bad charge controller. Like for example if you use the renogy. It's going to outright refuse to charge higher than what you set it.

I think dagron posted about this a bit ago where it showed why people weren't really having issues when they didn't have a BMS

I think it's somewhere in this chat history

Now, do you run the risk of a cell failing yes, but if you welded them correctly with the correct size tabs, those tabs will break at a certain current and snap the pack and then that defends that cell

So if you're really really worried about it, I would suggest just making sure that all your welds are good and that you use the appropriate sized nickel strips

[reef ridge]

Alright sounds good, thanks.

[real cedar]

Let me see if I have some of those. Really cool fuses hold on

So I have some of these 3 amp fuses that I'm using and they're really good in the sense that they will blow if there's overcurrent

You can get them pretty much anywhere. And they're very useful if you're really worried about it on a per cell basis

[reef ridge]

Oh, the nickel breaks on the thin strip. That looks decent, does that type have a name?

[real cedar]

One sec

[real cedar]

I got a shit ton of these at one point
https://batteryhookup.com/products/nickel-fuse-2p-wide-continuous-roll-by-the-foot-18650-cell-level-fusing

[keen glen]

Is there serial console access for the Nebra?

[obsidian storm]

Most people just use these as roof nodes for their house.

[obsidian storm]

You'll just SSH into the raspberry pi

[keen glen]

Sure, once it's running. It's not talking on the network and I want to see serial output from the boot process to troubleshoot, if I can.

[prisma saddle]

you have dhcp enabled on your network? nic light lit up? anything on your router for dhcp requests?

[obsidian storm]

What OS did you install? How did you install it?

[keen glen]

Yes, No, waiting for a POE injector to use ethernet currently. Nothing, was trying to use the included wifi adapter for setup.

DietPi, flashed to the EMMC. I can see the system activity LED flash a few times, but nothing else.
I can move things around in my utility closet to have power + ethernet available in the same place where I can plug in the nebra, was just wondering if I can get access to the serial console for troubleshooting, since that's easier for me to use where I have my current workbench.

I did set up the documented configs, but it's possible I made a mistake with one of them, maybe the PSK. I'll try flashing it again.

[prisma saddle]

ya id try that. prob power it with 12v from bech psu or something, and hard wire into eth.

[quasi surge]

You can get a serial console on the 40 pin pi header

[prisma saddle]

there is the mini/micro usb on the daughercard the pi cm3 connects to, but not tried what it has access to.

[keen glen]

Do you know where that pinout is documented?

[quasi surge]

"raspberry pi serial console"

e.g. https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/attaching-raspberry-pis-serial-console-uart-debugging

oh, is there not a 40 pin header in there?

[keen glen]

From what I understand, the nebra headers are non-standard

[obsidian storm]

they are non-standard.

How are you currently powering the nebra?

you can use the enternet without poe

[keen glen]

12v power, I moved the jumper by the POE

[obsidian storm]

cool, just plug ethernet into the slot then

how are you trying to use the wifi + the nebra board?

I don't think our kit is setup to support USB

or are you just doing it stock without adding the meshtastic board?

[keen glen]

Stock for now, I'll be swapping to the meshtastic board once I've confirmed things are running

[obsidian storm]

got it.

I don't know if dietpi is setup to use the wifi usb

not sure if it needs a specific module or not

[keen glen]

That's fair

[obsidian storm]

I think we've all here only tested with ethernet (with and without poe)

[prisma saddle]

yup. ive not tried the usb/board yet. not had the dual header on there to do so

err the "extended stacking headers"

as seen here

[keen glen]

How much more would it be to produce the NebraHat+? https://github.com/wehooper4/Meshtastic-Hardware/tree/main/NebraHat
Looks like it can re-use the mini connector that's already present (at least in mine) instead of SMA and has support for the on-board AHT20.
I guess assuming the input for 1W and 2W are the same.

[obsidian storm]

the exact same, but they would need to opensource it.

[prisma saddle]

i grabbed one of those from him directly . was 60$

[keen glen]

Got it.

[prisma saddle]

just had to solder the header.

id stuck with the 1w.. cheaper.. ha ha

[obsidian storm]

we could bump up to the 2w radio

but we'd need to add the power filtering and make sure no one bypasses the radio filter and plugs directly into the radio module

but, honestly, the 1W radio is perfect. Unless you're trying to go 100miles with line of sight, you won't see a difference between 1W and 2W.

because line of sight will be your first problem.

right now, with our 1W radios (and filters that cut the transmit power in half!), we can get direct links from LAKE (utah county) to FPR (weber county), which was 50+miles

the big concern is that the nebra power supply in underpowered for the 2W radios

and there's that software tweak you have to make with the 2W radios that, if you don't do right, can burn out components

and also 2W radio, without the 3dbi loss filter, isn't FCC legal.

[mighty pike]

I reflashed my Sensecap T5000E but can't seem to send on Longfast with 51, only ever receive! I'm going through my settings and checking freq51.net again and again...

role: client; node info 216000s; smart position; gps broadcast 86400; gps update 120; region US; hop 7; freq 51; override frequency shows 0 in the web client, 914.625 in the mobile app; modem preset "Long Fast"; security 256 bit key

channels: primary is LongFast, PSK AQ==, 8-bit key. No uplink or downlink enabled

[prisma saddle]

is that the 1000e? and where are you located?

[mighty pike]

In Lehi, and oops yeah, T1000E

[obsidian storm]

so. here's the issue with lehi

[mighty pike]

🙁

[obsidian storm]

You have 1 router. That's on LAKE mountian.

It's pretty far away.

It has a 1W radio, so it's really loud.

[mighty pike]

oo I see

[obsidian storm]

but your radio is 1/8th a W

[mighty pike]

I can run a router on my roof, I have really good line of sight up there. Though my rakwireless stopped working off battery power up there, so it's out of commission at the moment.

I may have a pic

[obsidian storm]

If you can get good line of sight and are outside, you'll probably talk to LAKE just fine.

[prisma saddle]

unless your going to fly up in the air 30-100 feet.

ya..

[mighty pike]

I do have line of sight over utah lake, I'll try to identify the direction of LAKE

[obsidian storm]

but indoors or with a building/house/something blocking your view of the mountain across the lake, it probably won't reach.

[prisma saddle]

yuup have a bro in lehi. townhouses.. can see all but not talk back. has to get something up until then.. game over.e

[obsidian storm]

I had no issues with this and a small portable node

[obsidian storm]

but the moment I went behind a building, I had issues.

[mighty pike]

I know that building ;P

[inner jay]

Q: how do I go about joining the Freq51 channel? Docs say there's some stipulations to joining it

[obsidian storm]

don't run a router on top of your roof.

that'll break things.

[mighty pike]

o

[obsidian storm]

Just put it into CLIENT and it'll work great.

[keen glen]

https://helium.nebra.com/pdfs/outdoor-overview.pdf
The 40-pin layout is standard RPi, but only the first 24 pins in the header are available.
So I should be able to get a serial console on pins 8 and 10.

[obsidian storm]

ROUTER = 9,000+ feet above sea level
ROUTER_LATE = 5,000-7,000 feet above sea level
CLIENT = Ground level to 100 feet

that's the general guidance.

https://freq51.net/advanced-configuration/router-deployment#-strategic-placement-by-elevation

[mighty pike]

Is there a build guide for known-good hardware to make a solar powered rak node? Mine failed after 6 months last year; the battery is fully charged by the rak, which is powered over USB-C by the solar panel, but when the battery is connected the rak goes into a sort of power protection mode with the power LED going extremely dim. (no short between the physical connections)

[obsidian storm]

There's a ton

We haven't built one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H6_Da1xRVs

https://meshtastic.org/docs/community/enclosures/rak/harbor-breeze-solar-hack/

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1c5qeyn/node_build_list_as_requested/

[prisma saddle]

what type of node are you wanting to add it to? is this a roof node or somthing that moves?

[obsidian storm]

There's 3 guides.

BUT

I bet we can make some small tweaks to what you've got and get it fixed.

is powered over USB-C by the solar panel
^ This is probably your issue @mighty pike

[inner jay]

I'm installing a roof node tomorrow. Might add the mobile unit to it depending

[prisma saddle]

its only for static nodes. mobile will mess up the mapping.

[mighty pike]

could be, though I trusted the panel to do all the intelligent limiting of input voltage and all that, as its output is USB-A

[obsidian storm]

the rak isn't expecting solar output on that spot

that's the issue.

what solar panel do you have?

[inner jay]

Aighty. I assume it'll still forward the open channel in secondary if I put the static one on freq51

[mighty pike]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09JFYPDNC

[obsidian storm]

still forward
what do you mean by that?

[mighty pike]

like the comment on the first video, "You can shave $80 off your parts cost if you use a 5 volt solar panel for a security camera (They go ~$15 on Amazon) wired into the onboard charge controller on your Rak's JST 1.25 (you can even just plug the USB C into the board, but that's inefficient), and use a 3000 mAh battery."

[inner jay]

If i set the static nodes primary channel as freq51 it will still pass along the standard longfast to my mobile if it's set as secondary

[prisma saddle]

yes correct.

[inner jay]

Perfect. I'll keep my mobile how it is then and setup my static if I can

[obsidian storm]

this is exactly what you want to do. You'll want to wire the solar panel directly to the JST 1.25 for solar

[prisma saddle]

best results come from a node like a roof node that then fowards the traffic/etc to the nodes inside the house. higher you get the better it will be so roof is the answer

[inner jay]

Yeah static is running to the roof

[prisma saddle]

example

@mighty pike

[mighty pike]

Did you use a PD trigger like in that example video? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09D98799T

I'll check the inputs on the rak wireless, to see what it can handle on the solar input; I did consider that as an option initially, but I don't see, other than from experience, why USB-C as an input wouldn't work

[obsidian storm]

also, we should look at your battery wiring.

[prisma saddle]

nah. might eventually. this is just my basement node i use to watch fs20. ACE-Node if yo have seen it on there

[obsidian storm]

You shouldn't need this.

[obsidian storm]

a single 18650 can be rough in winter

but it should be fine with summer.

I think, all you need is to change the wiring to the jst port

for the solar

[mighty pike]

I can try for sure; may need conectors

[obsidian storm]

I have extras if you need it.

[mighty pike]

Thanks, though I prob have a bunch laying around in a project box in my garage

seems like the kind of thing I would've bought a "1001 pieces" kit from amazon

[obsidian storm]

we should also check the angle and direction of your solar panel

[mighty pike]

hmm best I have at the moment were the photos I sent previously. Right now it's set up on my cat condo

It was quite direct though, and without a battery in, through a window, it can still power it all day, during daylight

[obsidian storm]

so we want 41* from the ground and angled directly south.

so it handles winter.

Your goal is to charge the 18650 in a single day in the winter months.

[mighty pike]

ah yup, was pointed south and hmm, not sure about 41" but in the pics it's about chest-high

[obsidian storm]

love your mounting setup

Mine failed after 6 months last year;
What was the failure?

[mighty pike]

hmm, maybe I can find it in chat logs, but as I recall I installed in sept. 2024 and it failed sometime into winter.

in fact there may have been stretches of days where the battery never fully charged, and slowly it died; that cycle might've repeated

[prisma saddle]

ya id say you need at least 1-2 more on that

batts.

[mighty pike]

I also have ethernet up there, and a rak module for PoE. I could do that.

aha

[prisma saddle]

most of my roof nodes have 3-4.

[mighty pike]

of which cell?

[prisma saddle]

those same ones. then i have a 4 cell 21700 :p;

[obsidian storm]

if you want to do a roof node with PoE

you could stick a 1W nebra up there

that would help the community a ton

or we can just get your rak working, (that would help too)

[mighty pike]

hell ye I would

[obsidian storm]

I have a bunch of 18650s I can give you

[mighty pike]

do I need a HAM radio license for 1W?

[prisma saddle]

nope

[mighty pike]

Is there a site to do a radio survey to show what my coverage area would be?

[prisma saddle]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/

[obsidian storm]

Don't spend more than ~$40 for one

let's get your RAK working first, I think

[mighty pike]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=FVQSRCW4

[mighty pike]

ye, faster too

[mighty pike]

woo JST connectors found. Just need to cut into a USB cable then and wire it up, and double check the RAK pinout for polarity

and get a larger battery holder

[prisma saddle]

i chop that solar panels cable.. cut off the usb c on that and solder the jst to that.

unless you think you need it down the road..

[mighty pike]

it's actually a female USB-A dongle so I figure, save the future potential use

ye

I can heatshrink the connector for some weather protection; it's also tucked under the panel

people use multiple 21700 3.7V or 18650s in parallel, for this application?

[prisma saddle]

yuup

[obsidian storm]

we can 3d print you a battery holder

and spotweld the connections.

[mighty pike]

o true, didn't even think of that. I have a brand new H2D >:)

ah a spot welder would be dope

[prisma saddle]

put that sucker to use!

printing a mount for a 19007 now. .

[worldly knot]

Question on channel. Is the Pin post the official channel or is there other information to use to join?

[prisma saddle]

freq51.org work in progress, but can get you started. let us know if you have any questions.

[worldly knot]

Assuming it’s a public channel name Freq51 so the key would be empty?

[prisma saddle]

Ignore that. just work on the LongFast for now.

Freq51 is for static/roof and infrastructure nodes for mapping

It has its own key.

[brazen spindle]

not to be a distraction but what is the magic of the nebra boards?

[prisma saddle]

i think at first it was a way to use old hardware that is no longer in use. now its a easy way to get a 1w node. can run off poe. and other options.

runs off a raspi cm3, and reqs a nebrahat for the lora part.

[worldly knot]

New to this and maybe I’m misunderstanding. Thought there was a public channel you could message to if need be. In addition to creating private channels. Not sure if the area has a public channel to broadcast messages if needed.

[prisma saddle]

LongFast is what you would be talking about. the default channel that is there when the node is setup.

[worldly knot]

In the LoRa config I have longfast. However, when adding a channel all I see is this.

[prisma saddle]

right. dont worry about adding the freq51 channel. that is for other advanced settings.. just keep the LongFast as the only channel for now. and setup the rest.

Setup the following tabs : USER - node name and shortname , Device - role client or client mute, Lora - freq slot 51 and hops as 5 or 6

[obsidian storm]

just add that default channel and chat on it!

[worldly knot]

Looks like I couldn’t configure the frequency slot on the iOS app. But I could on the web client.

[inner jay]

Freq slot should be under LORA in the app iirc

[obsidian storm]

nice

[prisma saddle]

looks great

[mighty pike]

well it works with a new rakwireless wizblock, but the old one has the same behavior as the battery--makes the LED flicker. the new one, the LED flickers for a few seconds then goes steady red, and the green LED illuminates

[obsidian storm]

video what you mean by led flicker

that might just be normal behavior

[mighty pike]

it's a bit hard to tell but the LED light on the old one flickers at a low brightness, and nother else ever really happens, and connecting the battery dims it and stops all blinking. On the new one, it does something similar but doesn't dim when the battery is connected, and the green activity LED lights too. Also doesn't show up on bluetooth

also no lora antenna connected, oops.

[prisma saddle]

the red flickering like that is lower power basically from what i have seen on mine. plugin the battery first. make sure your antenna is ther for sure, then do the solar plug in

if i dont hve battery plugged in, and solar is going, it will do that flicker.

[mighty pike]

hmm no activity for the battery either, whereas the new one will illuminate the green led. I should also reflash it, and see if it even shows up

it'll go into DFU mode, as indicated by the pulsating green LED, but no serial port shows up

maybe it was hit by lightning.

[prisma saddle]

with all that unplugged but the lora. and plugged into your comp with usb. any good?

[mighty pike]

nope, well BLE and Lora, that's the situation in which it doesn't show up as a COM port in the flasher

though the green LED does pulse, so it's not totally fried

[prisma saddle]

and with the same usb cable and usb plug in the comop in a working rak, it does show up with flasher/etc?

[leaden crow]

I got your 30 murata filters. I'll just trade you for 2 of the next batch of nebra hats, or whatever is fair price wise, if it ends up being a small batch, I'll pay the difference.

[prisma saddle]

just built this in the past few hours. thought i’d mess with the wave share i bought and never used.

[reef ridge]

I think I heard the waveshare is busted for some reason, do you have any issues with it?

[prisma saddle]

been running for an hour. seems find so far. this is just as solar charging board. not the lora.

[prisma saddle]

that’s a rak19007 with the wave share board over top.

[wheat kestrel]

Hello all, just found this channel. I've been carrying this little 4631 node around with me at work at the u of u the last couple of days reading through the freq51 website right now, it's answering a lot of my questions about how to set these up

[reef ridge]

Welcome aboard, and very nice! Did you assemble it yourself?

[wheat kestrel]

I bought the wisblock starter kit and put it together with a case from etsy and an 18650

[reef ridge]

Awesome, you're down where the mesh is most dense too, so I'm sure you'll catch a lot of nodes. Lots of cool stuff going on here in Utah.

[wheat kestrel]

my node list is at 150 total, seems like a ton I have a second one on the way to see if i can talk to my house from work

[prisma saddle]

very nice! looks good.

[prisma saddle]

ya most of those are not always online. or do not update often. it will keep growing and eventually prune itself. somewhat.

are you still on freq slot 20?

[wheat kestrel]

Yeah I haven't really changed any of the channel settings at all

I just swapped to 51

[prisma saddle]

ah that’s always fun.

[prisma saddle]

cool where you located?

[wheat kestrel]

rose park and around u of u campus during the week, I hit a lot fewer nodes with mine at home in a window at about head height, probably will need something on the roof or in big tree for better signal at home

[reef ridge]

Wow, 150 active nodes on LF20? I wonder how bad the congestion is.

I'm guessing a significant chunk of them are routers too.

[prisma saddle]

ya i’ve had it up go 200+ on my lurking node.

[reef ridge]

Maybe I'll put up a default config node with the Freq51 URL as the long name to catch any newbies that might pop up around here.

[prisma saddle]

haha that’s quite a route.

[reef ridge]

NPR still having issues?

[prisma saddle]

yup.

i should los of it.

apparently not.

[real cedar]

Repairing the mini bike

Upgrading to a 224

Adding much more cooling

Should help me get up these mountains before the snow

Parts arrive sunday

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm I have an idea for Lowe.. you have HORSES 🤣

Saddle up 😆

All right boys. I'm going to take one for the team. I'm putting together my upgrade kit for the Nelson Peak router and I have my buddy trying to plan a route that won't get me in trouble with the mine on bike

I just need some adapters and an n-type bulkhead right?

I hope I'm not wrong. I really don't want to go up there and find that I'm missing something

I need a USB C to C cable probably

I have nothing to stand on so that's going to be fun but hopefully the bike is tall enough

Gonna slap a filter on it and pray for the best too.

@hallow dagger I hate to bother you at this hour, but do you see anything I might be missing?

You were the builder

[obsidian storm]

Look at the pictures for POTM

And plan for it to be the same

Also plan extra gear just in case

[real cedar]

K then I probably have most if not all of it yeah

[obsidian storm]

Also make sure to bring some multifunction tools just in case things are a little bit different

Screwdriver kit

Adjustable wrench

Etc

Are you putting a gpio Labs filter onto it?

[real cedar]

I've got multi tools in my standard pack layout for biking

Yes

I'm debating a lightning arrestor too

[obsidian storm]

Okay. It's an N-type adapter directly to the rak

[real cedar]

Yeah that's the part I might have to change and lexel up.

To a bulk head

[obsidian storm]

You want to basically bring everything to connect from the rak all the way to an N type antenna

Don't expect to reuse any cabling

Just plan to replace all the cabling for the antenna gear

Also, maybe switch to an Alfa antenna

[real cedar]

Yeah I pretty much figured. That hole should be big enough to put a bulk head and self tapping screws in its place right?

[real cedar]

The 5.8 I have was the plan

I hope the plastic isn't too brittle. That would fuck my day pretty bad when drilling self tapping screws into the bulk head N connector

[obsidian storm]

Review the above photo

[real cedar]

That's way better than what I had

[obsidian storm]

Maybe delete this because of the phone number

[real cedar]

ROFL yeah

My bad

[obsidian storm]

Same with mine, lol

[real cedar]

That should be enough room

Alright... Gonna check my stores in the outdoor storage closet

[obsidian storm]

DM-ed the photo

[real cedar]

Batteries look interchangeable?

Want me to replace them with some ultra good ones

[obsidian storm]

Why not?

Seems like a good idea to refresh the batteries

[real cedar]

Tossing some good ones in. Hopefully they fit

[prisma saddle]

is this happening tonight?

[real cedar]

Gonna bring my electric screw driver so I can drive those self tappers in easily

[obsidian storm]

The filter & firmware upgrade is going to be so nice

[real cedar]

I was debating getting my NVDs out but I don't want to have to shoot a mountain lion or wild life that's out hunting at night

[obsidian storm]

The plastic will be brittle, so be careful

[real cedar]

I will put the drill on S L O W

Might drill a pilot

Shrink wrap too

You guys good with me using this antenna

Gain 5.8
VSWR < 1.7 @ 915

[prisma saddle]

ha ha that tall enough to get west of the moutain?

night looking thing

[real cedar]

No. It's a flat top mountain

[prisma saddle]

haha. was more of a joke 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/schwartz-big-mine-see-gif-20946404

[real cedar]

It's very light weight. My only worry is wind

I'm excited for the trip. I'm not excited for spending an entire day on a mtn

Please please please no fucking thunderstorms.

Been there done that. Hate hunkering down in a ditch or creek

@prisma saddle any luck with layton parkway router. I tried sending him messages. I got the human symbol but no reply

[prisma saddle]

sent him an email nothing yet. guessing its dead. i might try random fb messages to a few of the people with his name. but nothing yet. also sending messages around. might hit up 20. since he is a ham, maybe they can get in touch.. or have one of my ham buddies try to get him on the comms

will keep you updated

[real cedar]

Try 20

He probably answers on his og channel more

[prisma saddle]

yup working on that

[storm onyx]

I see KR1P Layton Parkway node is up now.

Finally got my nodes switched to channel slot 51

[obsidian storm]

Layton Parkway is fine for right now, but once FPR goes up, it needs to go to client mode. It's also very spotty

It won't complete trace routes, it won't send message acks and it doesn't report firmware versions. It must be really old or something

Not great for a router

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm

What else am I forgetting

Also when you flash via otg on Android. How did you do that?

Gonna run some marine grade 14 gauge from the lightning arrestor to the pole

[prisma saddle]

https://freq51.net/advanced-configuration/firmware-updates#-over-the-air-ota-updates-for-rak-nodes

[real cedar]

Thanks

[prisma saddle]

tested it fully on 3 nodes. worked perfectly.

[real cedar]

Oh please no Bluetooth. Crap I've had that go wrong so many times

If the phone budgets outside 6-10 ft range

[obsidian storm]

I just plugged it in and it acted like a flash drive and I copied the u2f to it.

Over usb

[prisma saddle]

or that :).

[real cedar]

Oh hell yes that's way easier

[obsidian storm]

So just grab a RAK and test at home

But it's way easy

[real cedar]

I should bring wasp and hornet killer

[obsidian storm]

No clue

[prisma saddle]

i should add the usb android way to that guide too.

[real cedar]

Just a precaution. In case there's a nest on it

[obsidian storm]

Batteries

[real cedar]

https://www.summitpost.org/nelson-peak-ut/602656

[real cedar]

Ahh yes thanks

[obsidian storm]

Small screwdriver for tiny rak screws

Lexel

Wrap the filter in Kapton tape if you have it

So it doesn't short components inside the enclosure when you close it

[real cedar]

Got that one in the pack

[real cedar]

Will do

[real cedar]

It's in the back pack

Got two types of cells here

Protected and unprotected

If length is an issue

[obsidian storm]

Bring a small Alfa in case you can't get the big antenna to work

[real cedar]

I'm out of alfas :/

[obsidian storm]

Dang.

[prisma saddle]

i have one if you swing by here.

out of the way. but an option if needed.

herriman.

[real cedar]

I think the antenna will work fine. It's only 28 inches in length. Should be fine

[obsidian storm]

Grab some of that tape to wrap the antenna connector to prevent rust

[real cedar]

This is gonna be a hoot

Please tell me churchwood gate is open

I should be able to hike at about a 13.5-15 ish minute per mile pace. 7.9 miles
Elevation Gain relative to valley is gargantuan. Give me about 4 hours up.. 2 to 3 hrs down

It's def not happening tomorrow. It MIGHT happen sunday

I want to be in toele by 6 am though at those gates

[obsidian storm]

Monday I'm going to do POTM 2.0

[real cedar]

It responds for me I'm guessing where it is .. is partially obstructed

[obsidian storm]

It's so cool seeing a message go from Layton, to Utah county, then back to SLC county

[prisma saddle]

oh?

[obsidian storm]

It's spotty

[prisma saddle]

very.

[real cedar]

It's a very old lily go t echo. It has up to date firmware

[obsidian storm]

These acks back is basically the same I get with traceroutes

Sometimes it just decides not to respond

He chatted about a month ago

Seemed fine

Even in discord

[prisma saddle]

he was on discord?

[obsidian storm]

Yeah. In the Utah mesh discord

[prisma saddle]

link?

i don’t know about that one

[obsidian storm]

http://utahmesh.net/

[prisma saddle]

i’m in the fb group didn’t know that had that.

ok.

[real cedar]

Well give him a bit to respond. But yeah NPR getting an upgrade

[prisma saddle]

ok cool. will see if he chimes in there too.

[obsidian storm]

My big concern with Layton Park is that it's probably running a SX1276 on the TBeam, which isn't compatible with newer Lora chips

[storm onyx]

Rob's node has amplification and band pass filtering on a high gain antenna. It's also pretty high up on a multistory home. That is why it has been the important infrastructure for getting Layton linked to SLC area in the past. I haven't met Rob in person yet, but live up the street. I need to go knock on his door one of these days.

[real cedar]

That's great. I'm glad he's got it well filtered. It might have been key at one point but we have mountain top routers now on 51. We desire to have no routers in the valley but it's no biggie or hurry just yet. We are waiting on @reef ridge for Francis peak

I'm going to service nelson peak and then put up promontory point. When we do that his node will be very useful as a client.

To be clear we aren't upset with him or anything. We just can't get a hold of him 😂

[reef ridge]

Getting my boards on Monday, by the way.

[storm onyx]

Yep all good. Just giving historical context of that node.

[real cedar]

😆 at least he's got a good spot. If it's one of those classical multi stories on the park way then it's a very good location if there's no mtn top router. That place has a very good vantage point and can see lake mountain fairly directly

[real cedar]

You got a lightning arrestor right?

[reef ridge]

I got an SMA lighting arrestor, but now that you asked I forgot to get one for the solar panel wires.

[real cedar]

For some reason we thought it was on a gas tower based on its gps it has but that's probably spoofed

[storm onyx]

Yes the map position is not accurate. He's in a residential area north of the parkway.

[real cedar]

Ahhhh okay so definitely not on the nearby gas tower. Got it. I saw a solar xmitter up there but it must be the gas companies thing. 😆

We would all love to meet him if he joins here. I'm an RF engineer by trade .. I'm sure a ham and I would have a lot to chat about LOL

[storm onyx]

For sure, he's got a reputation as a genius extra ham especially with digital modes and hot spots.

[real cedar]

Suddenly I really want to talk to him. We are going to run meshing around bbs

https://github.com/SpudGunMan/meshing-around

It would be epic if he ran a node to relay ham stuff

It would probably be a rpi build if he did one.. bash has a filtered hat for them

Let us know if he's interested. We would love to be able to have a channel or two to pull in ham relay stuff. The program now supports Hamlib and sband integration and monitoring too

@prisma saddle @obsidian storm npr is on like donkey Kong tomorrow.

Schedule freed up

[reef ridge]

In the event we don't get a response from KR1P it's possible for us to collectively block a node, correct?

[real cedar]

It is but he seems like a cool and reasonable guy so I sincerely hope we never ever have to do that

But it doesn't stop the node from rebroadcasting. So the extra utilization remains.. the nodes configured to ignore it would just ignore it

[reef ridge]

I don't want it to come to that either, but it'd be a shame to to ruin all the work everyone's puting in on this. It'd be great if we could get him to upgrade and set to client.

[real cedar]

Hes a router late. Hes not hurting too much and that also means hes at least on 2.5 firmware

[keen glen]

How are people mounting the Nebra to their roof?

[reef ridge]

There is a plumbing standpipe on my roof and I just bolted it to that for now. I bought a mount on Amazon and I'm going to move it higher soon though.

Ignore the floppy wire, I pinned it down properly after the picture.

[inner jay]

Got my roof node online 😊

CHOP is static

[reef ridge]

Cool, a Heltec, right?

[inner jay]

Yep. Wired to a roof antenna

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm since I'm hiking to NPR. Wtf do I stand on?

The trail doesn't allow bikes 🙁

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1197577977781821541/1301275905972240477/IMG_5833.jpg?ex=68c67760&is=68c525e0&hm=975528cb4e8cb5141c8925d90f60c6bb1b323a0ede46061c1faa63e5dc299af0&

I guess who would catch me but 650 ft elevation gain per mile is a gonna test even my legs

@leaden crow @prisma saddle any ideas?

Cuz otherwise the plan is scrapped again

I've got an ultra light bar stool I can step to my back pack but that's gonna suck

[reef ridge]

@prisma saddle was right about the stilts after all.

[wheat kestrel]

Helicopter

[real cedar]

None of these ideas help 😂

Alright let me see if I can rig up the bar stool to my backpack. It will mean I have to trade my camelback off for two water bottles. Guess it's a good thing I have desert genes 😂.

[reef ridge]

Not worth considering a lightweight step ladder?

[leaden crow]

Do you know how tall the mast is? I did rough pixel math and I think the top of the enclosure is at about 7.5'
I'm pretty short and I could reach and still be able to open a box at about about 7'

What sort of trail police are you worried about out there? I seriously doubt you'll even run into anyone, let alone someone that will care you're on a bike. If it were me and I wanted to ride that, I'd just do it and play dumb if I got caught.
What are they going to do? arrest you? Most likely tell you to leave. If you get a fine, we can start a discord pool. I'll chip in. 😁

[reef ridge]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gorilla-Ladders-3-Step-Aluminum-Step-Stool-Ladder-250-lbs-Type-I-Duty-Rating-9ft-Reach-Height-GLA-3-2/310833462
This one is 8 pounds, could strap it the back of a pack frame.

[leaden crow]

The number of people poaching trails on ebikes rn is absurd. No jurisdiction is doing anything about that..

[real cedar]

I'm told it's a 10 ft tall pole

[real cedar]

I'm actually more concerned with respecting the terms in which the private land owner that owns all the land up to the BLM Mark has said. Apparently the conditions for allowing that gate to be open is that nobody will bike. And nobody will go off trail until the BLM land

I would rather respect someone's private property

[leaden crow]

The only dilemma is that he is already hauling shit up a pretty brutal climb. I wouldn't want more weight if it can be avoided. Even a lightweight ladder sucks because of the size

[real cedar]

I have a buddy coming with me so bike's not a problem. He's going to carry all the water and snacks

I just hit him up right now but yeah I need a way to get on that 10-ft pole

[wheat kestrel]

?

[leaden crow]

Man, gdane deserves a medal for getting that thing installed. 🤣

I'm searching the interenets for the most reasonable ladder you could take, but drawing blanks rn.

[real cedar]

I'm dead serious about the bar stool. It's one of those lightweight foldable aluminum ones

It's my backup plan haha

[obsidian storm]

Do you think you could get him to upgrade to modern hardware?

[leaden crow]

OK. Best I've currently got.
https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Telescoping-Lightweight-Multi-Button-Collapsible/dp/B0F38KPFLQ
You can shorten these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2L3WjwtCHY

That thing weighs 14 lbs. I think you'd only need about half the steps. So could probably get it under 7 lbs removing the half that are the larger telescoping legs. This is assuming that pole is stout enough to lean the ladder against, but it looks pretty burly to me in the photo.

[prisma saddle]

epic!!?!!

[prisma saddle]

i’m moving the old dish mount from the corner of my roof to the roof line in a few weeks. then nebra it is. currently a rak.

[prisma saddle]

hmmm. blow up chair or something? umm. have a small camping chair?

[prisma saddle]

hmm might work. umm.

[prisma saddle]

agreed. a rak or even nebra since it’s in a home / roof. @storm onyx

@real cedar got it. your buddy’s shoulders! lol.

[real cedar]

I'm taking the bar stool

There's two of us

[prisma saddle]

next time.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/VEVOR-Telescoping-Ladder-Extension-Step-3-7-Wide-Multi-purpose-Portable-12-5-ft-Aluminum-Dock-Ladder-SSLTN125170KGIL80V0/330404291

[prisma saddle]

oh you linked it already lol.

[real cedar]

Packing bag and car rn

[prisma saddle]

sweet. this is happening!

[real cedar]

Will be leaving around 545 from Clearfield. Picking up my buddy Xandor at 615 in SLC... 645-7 we will be at Bates canyon gate while everyone's prepping for church ... We should reach the peak in a few hours with lunch and beers and stuff. And we will get to work

6000 ft ain't much

Though I don't know my buddies hiking pace so we will find out

I can maintain 11-13 minutes a mile on a moderately steep slope

[real cedar]

It is indeed

NPR getting upgraded

Finally

Here's to canyons and Ridgelines and rattles snakes and unforeseen circumstances 😂. There's no trail. It's all brush. What could possibly go wrong

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksparrow-jack-sparrow-captainjacksparrow-captainjack-captain-jack-gif-22081901

[prisma saddle]

while your up there. throw a few pings to my dads node. in grants. should be great los. at least hiking up it.

oh your starting on the east side.

well if you see any of the west. try pinging ce-roof. ok curious how it goes.

[real cedar]

What's his long and short name and node ID

[real cedar]

@white field you doing stansbury?

Would be cool to meet afterwards if you are 😂 no biggie if you aint

[prisma saddle]

35 feet up. highest thing in grantsville.

[real cedar]

He will be getting regular location packets from me all the way up haha

[prisma saddle]

@real cedar with the new antenna does the npr map range change then? like you said prob further into ogden. so will need to update that i guess.

[real cedar]

It doesn't really. I ran all my range tests at 6 dB simulated

[prisma saddle]

RGR that.

[real cedar]

PS. I'll try to get it done before we get drunk at the top. 12 beers split between the two of us 🤣

We will see how long it takes us to get down

[prisma saddle]

lol. you’ll be rolling down.

[real cedar]

Alright boys
Copious amounts of tools and multi tools packed
Multiple knives and a Leatherman
All my antenna feed stuff plus spare wire and ferrules
An electric screw driver
A large and small ratcheting screw driver and bit assortment
Scissors
Vice grips
Bar stool
Yet another multi tool
Filter is kapton taped
Antenna
Bulkhead and screws
M42 Cobalt Drill bit for screwing into the pipe
Self tapping lathe screws for the ground
Spare antenna feed items
USB C to C cable
Spare USB C to C cable
A 24000 mah battery pack
Battery replacements
Spare filter in case it breaks

Pretty sure I'm not forgetting anything. Oh SHRINK TAPE. SHIT. Gotta go to home depot

[inner jay]

Aight gents my static node is up and running and stable. Anyone wanna DM me the Freq51 encrypted key so I can add it to the infra?

[mighty pike]

hek...I wired 4 18650s in parallel, verified the polarity and that they were 3.7V, plugged them into my old rakwireless (the suspicious one) and nothing happened, hit the reset button and the green led flashed, and then there was a POP! and one of the two wires going into the battery connector melted through.

[reef ridge]

You let the magic smoke out.

[mighty pike]

I wasn't even trying!

[reef ridge]

RIP little node. Time for an upgrade!

[mighty pike]

I don't actually know what went wrong

I can remake the harness and try my known-good rakwireless wisblock

[real cedar]

on the old raks.. the polarity came mismarked

you had to switch the polarity of the leads

[mighty pike]

even on the silkscreen? also I used a wiring harness that was known-good too. It worked for 6 months

[real cedar]

that thing is baked like bacon. time for a new one haha

[real cedar]

yup

it was a big mistake

[mighty pike]

how can one check the proper polarity on the newer boards?

or if I dont' know if it's newer

[reef ridge]

Multimeter if you're being cautious, but they should be good.

[real cedar]

you shouldnt need to but each will not just be marked with a plus but a red QC marker will have a bit of read on it

[mighty pike]

ah like this? #1197577977781821541 message

if so mine had it indicating the silkscreen was accurate

[reef ridge]

Set the meter to continuity, one terminal to a known ground, and test the pins.

[real cedar]

Well thats not normal. Did you have a short elsewhere on the board?

[mighty pike]

nope, at least not prior to plugging it in

but this is the sus node that failed for an unknown reason on my roof

and now it's at least killed the wiring for my battery pack. maybe the batteries themselves, though prob not

[real cedar]

batteries didnt care at all. that puny wire is no match for them

[vital hemlock]

My meshview and mqtt are down, migrating my servers.

[mighty pike]

so far so good with this one. ignore the red and black coloring, this new jst wiring harness I had was reverse

[real cedar]

Gonna put 2.6.11 on NPR and set it to messageable. Why? Because that's the dumbest feature the devs ever created 😂 and I'm salty

[real cedar]

You know they make heat shrink in all colors right?

Haha

I like the marine 6:1 multi color variants. They have a waterproof adhesive and they use a shrink that won't break down outdoors

It also shrinks in real tight

[prisma saddle]

whats the sensor on there?

[real cedar]

That looks to be PIR

if I'm not mistaken

The dome would suggest it so

[mighty pike]

I just used some tape to identify it for my future self

[mighty pike]

that's a wisblock PIR RAK12006, ye. I made a remote motion sensing node that'd ping me

though at the end of the day an off the shelf solution was better than mine, of wiring into a solar powered light

[real cedar]

I thought about doing this on routers but then I was like do I really want to know every time some mountain lion or bear passes by?

😆

[mighty pike]

I didn't like that I couldn't configure it to send the motion sensing messages on another channel, as I recall. Like I wanted my home station to have longfast, a personal channel, admin channel, then a telemetry channel, but IIRC it wanted to send the updates only on the primary channel. also the channel order bizarrely mattered too

[mighty pike]

if only lora would support enough throughput to send a little picture of the wildlife

[prisma saddle]

that would be cool. lots of bits... though

[real cedar]

Shortfast does

Small jpegs aren't too difficult

But alas we aren't on short fast yet

[mighty pike]

I want to setup a poe nebra 1W on my roof as a router in Lehi, so, I'd want one of these and soldered, if that'll help me do the job

[mighty pike]

shortfast sounds dope then. how much shorter range is it?

[real cedar]

It's only a few dB loss. It's really not a big deal

But the bandwidth it gives is massive

[pseudo kestrel]

I'd love to send small data through the mesh, that sounds really interesting

[reef ridge]

When everyone moved to slot 51 why didn't we change the preset at the same time? I figure at least medium fast would be worth a shot.

[keen glen]

6 hops is kinda crazy lol

[keen glen]

Agreed

[pseudo kestrel]

coverage issues iirc

we need the routers to all be up and reliable before we can safely move I think

[prisma saddle]

ya. lol. prob once i get mine higher. might be better. bounces around. when npr not happy.

[leaden crow]

We tried. We didn't have enough nodes at the time. NPR and POTM couldn't even reliably reach each other on MF.

[real cedar]

Let's go for broke SHORT TURBO jk jk

I think we have enough nodes to go shortfast now

Bash and I also have dozens of Xiao nodes

Strategic clients can be placed anywhere we need to

[prisma saddle]

what’s broke about it?

[real cedar]

Short Turbo has an extremely short range lol

Short Fast is only 6 dB less I think

Let me check the docs

[prisma saddle]

i’m guessing jacob used that at Bm?

[real cedar]

Look. I really want 10 kbps 😂

I'll put up way more routers if I have to

[prisma saddle]

hah. would be very cool.

[real cedar]

I genuinely think we can afford 10 dB loss. All the routers show I have positive dB signals and that includes AUR and I'm 25 miles north. I think we can survive that loss now with all our routers. The routers would all be able to see each other fine so at most we might see more hops?

Idk

Worth an experiment

The big thing would be that most of the 1 watt routers would be fine
I think the rak routers might suffer a bit

Due to their lower broadcast power

@leaden crow I suspect that was your issue more than anything

Moving to short fast means we need more power.

[prisma saddle]

if we had more 1w clients around?

[leaden crow]

Not my issue exactly. MF at the time was working for me and BP. I don't really want to read through a ton of messages to remember all of our reasoning.
#1197577977781821541 message
I hadn't yet written the scripts I have now that will run a bunch of trace routes and give me a success % and SNR comparison.

I think we are at a point right now where we have the dilemma of testing out a different preset before winter. If we're going to do it, we should do it before winter IMO. I don't think we need everyone to switch. I think we'd just pick some key nodes and run a test for a while.

[real cedar]

That's the plan at least as I understood it. We will test after NPR is upgraded. At least so me and bash discussed at the hackerspace

[prisma saddle]

hah. very interesting. https://g.co/gemini/share/dcb0a8c883a0 @real cedar

[real cedar]

Interesting read. Alright cool so I guess we have a plan soon. Y'all probably want me to leave NPR LF until we are ready for a coordinated switch or what?

Cuz I could switch it up there hahah but anyways I'm excited for tomorrow's hike. I love a good trailess jaunt

[real cedar]

I like how I've laid claim to 3 of those. Good job Gemini.

Chatgpt if you feed it USGS topo maps will do RF survey analysis (actual RF survey stuff) and give you the ones with the largest LOS around them not just highest peak

[prisma saddle]

oh sweet! hmm should mess right that.

[prisma saddle]

i’ve got no say. but would say leave it till we have 1w strong all around. the spine of the mesh all set.

[real cedar]

It's not necessary. We have a mix of 1 watt and half watt nodes. I think it would be fine

The biggest problem with longfast is:
Higher Collision Probability: When multiple nodes try to transmit in a busy network, the chance of packet collisions increases dramatically with slower presets because each transmission blocks the channel for longer.

That increased air time only compounds the problem

[prisma saddle]

gotcha. still learning. you are the RF King 😉

[real cedar]

I really am not. My area of expertise is much higher in frequency and things get weird when you get into EHF

Really weird 😂

Molecular fingerprints for example are fun. You can pick up on the resonance of oxygen and water.. your skin becomes the antenna.. what else.. let's see mesoscopic crossover.. everything and anything begins to look like glitter.. in fact if your wideband enough you can build ghost images of an object.. because EHF penetrates clothing but reflects from water-rich tissue. Combine a few bands and you can build an image that looks like an X-ray ghost of a person standing there, revealing outlines under clothes in eerie detail. It’s so uncanny that airports abandoned early versions for being way too revealing. 🤣

At some point instead of penetration you get lensing.. where the RF can curve around a building

Of course that's at the highest point in EHF where your getting close to the terahertz range or sublight

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-mc-ewan-what-over-my-head-over-your-head-funny-gif-13114017

[real cedar]

Around 200–300 GHz, the background radiation of warm objects (like your own body or a chair in the room) is in the same band. So when you point a receiver around, it’s like the world itself is glowing invisibly at you. You’re not seeing electronics noise anymore, you’re literally seeing the universe’s thermal whisper so to speak

It's really fun but really expensive to work with and very difficult to work with

[real cedar]

😂 my bad

[prisma saddle]

haha no prob. fun to read.

[real cedar]

Phed at the space may have a fun project for me with a friend of his he wants to hook up a magnetron to a wave guide and a horn antenna for giggles.. a directed cooking machine really. 1500 W of RF power 🤣

Toasty if not crispy

[keen glen]

40.46698, -112.17308
There's an Amateur Radio Repeater Station on Butterfield Peaks that could provide an alternative to Lowe peak, esp. if allowed to do the same setup as Lake Mountain

[prisma saddle]

do we know who owns or has access to it?

[keen glen]

Trying to dig a bit. I believe K7MLA is the repeater callsign

WB7TSQ also appears to be at that location
https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=901024
https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp;JSESSIONID_ULSSEARCH=i1NGbueqpE0woY8QTKvB25_xgoJiw5yk71t4_jEIWjC1d2zUrU3H!64497969!1383360172?licKey=1084563

[real cedar]

I thought about Butterfield myself but getting permission might be difficult

I couldn't contact the stations controlling HAM or at least they never replied back

[keen glen]

Looks like the Sandy Amateur Radio Club has a net on it most Thursdays, and the have a Facebook page. Maybe I'll try to join the net next Thursday and see if they've got any interest.

[real cedar]

In light of Poland activating article 4

I'll see myself out 🤣

[real cedar]

We do be running 1 hr behind schedule. My friend was sawing logs

[ember torrent]

Fun fact, a t1000-e with power save on can be brought out of sleep by; pressing the button, attaching the powered charge cable, releasing the button. This is technically a reset.

[prisma saddle]

how’s it living?

going…

[real cedar]

We were there about 1 hr ago. We are now making our way up the steepest part of the ridge

[prisma saddle]

sweet!

[real cedar]

The top is nigh

[prisma saddle]

still not there?

[real cedar]

Nope. My friends a bit slower

Going vertical

[prisma saddle]

dang! looks awesome thought. tired pinging your node. must be on the other side

Does anyone know who this jump node is?

another node wee need to look out for.

[leaden crow]

That is @quasi surge
The node is on a high rise in Sugarhouse. It's an area that is kind of an island in the valley with a lot of taller buildings. It's a good candidate for router-late until some point we have a better mountain router that services the area.

[prisma saddle]

coolio!

[quasi surge]

Yeah, that's a client as soon as something is up near olympus or wire

[prisma saddle]

cool got an ok trace out of it.

[obsidian storm]

I might be able to use some backend contacts and figure out who is the best to contact

[obsidian storm]

You should turn on GPS on the public net

[prisma saddle]

ya been trying to follow ya. but not seen ya.

@real cedar

oh btw what’s potm 2.0 plans? @obsidian storm

[obsidian storm]

Monday night I'll see if I can hike there

I might fail because I'm way out of shape

But I'll try

[prisma saddle]

what you doing to it?

[obsidian storm]

My feet 😄

Oh, I see what you're asking

I'm putting one in a slightly different location, adding a filter, and a nice Alfa antenna

[prisma saddle]

sounds fun. :).

[obsidian storm]

I'm hoping to put it near Alien tower

[inner jay]

I'm heading up to pc later today. Gonna check some coverage

[prisma saddle]

i keep wanting to throw something above herriman. just a as client.

but i should get my roof node better positioned that would prob just be better all around

[obsidian storm]

My thought was that spot where they put up the flag every few years

https://share.google/tsPlRM6PwEXUy6h6N

I want to put the birdhouse node there

[leaden crow]

I think the murata filters are good. I am a total amateur with the nanovna, but I set it up as described here and only measured a 1 dB insertion loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F17mN5uuzGY

[prisma saddle]

that could work. when you decide to do it. let me know id love to hoof it up there and help

right above bro in laws house

well i see his node on the tooele side. did he roll down the hill? @obsidian storm

[real cedar]

We have a problem. My buddy rolled his ankle.. I'm supporting him down. I had to turn around guys sorry

I'm still at 7600 ft too

This is not great

[prisma saddle]

Oh no! so its pretty rough way up. Sorry dude. how far from the bike?

dont answer. keep getting down

[real cedar]

Too far

At least too far to leave my buddy then return. I trust we can get down with daylight but not nighttime

[pseudo kestrel]

oh no! I'm sorry your friend got hurt 🙁 Please tell us when you get to your vehicle(s) and are safe

[reef ridge]

Really sorry to hear that, hope y'all get down safely.

My message somehow escaped the trap that is Ogden and I'm really curious how.

[inner jay]

My roof node picked that one up

[reef ridge]

I wasn't expecting to get a response, just probing for a local contact. I was very surprised to get a 7 hop!

[inner jay]

Yeab B53 is in west valley

[reef ridge]

Caught the culprit, someone is up on the mountain. I wonder who MAC2 is.

[inner jay]

Prob hopped to me through KZ7V

MAC2 is mobile. Maybe out for a hike?

[reef ridge]

Whoever they are, I'm happy they're up there. Moving fast, perhaps on a dirt bike or something.

[inner jay]

Yeah MAC1 is in Layton so prob out on an adventure

[prisma saddle]

@real cedar make it down buddy?

[real cedar]

The next stage of getting him down gonna be not fun. I'll have to put him on my back

[prisma saddle]

crap dude. do we need to call search and rescue for you ?

[real cedar]

Working on it. Carrying him is a test of my mountaineering skills 😂

No I got this

I'll be the hero of the day but i got this

Haha

[prisma saddle]

i’d be there if i was not doing fam stuff. i’m sorry.

[real cedar]

I stopped to drink some beer. Hes like I'm in massive pain and your getting drunk.. and I'm like

https://tenor.com/view/enhances-it-really-bronn-go-t-game-of-thrones-gif-12234862

[prisma saddle]

if you plan for a sat. i’ll go back up with ya.

i’m going to dig into some contact and reach out to rio tinto. we need to find easier ways to get up.

[keen glen]

Got around to connecting the nebra to ethernet.
No link light, even with a known good cable and known good router port. I know the pi is booting because I can see the journal output over serial. Same behavior over POE and external 12v.
Any other suggestions?

[prisma saddle]

hmm everything seated right? try pulling off the wifi and bt card and boot?

[keen glen]

Those have been removed

[prisma saddle]

hmmm. so you did figure out the serial. what can you do there? you installed dietpi on it?

[keen glen]

Correct, but all I have been able to get is the journal output. I tried for a bit with some service files / config changes, but I can't get it to give me a tty on it.
I tried reseating the CM3, and plugging directly into the board instead of the housing extension, still no link light from either end. It'd suck if it was a bad NIC.

I'm starting to think it might be though. I might need to pull the mainboard fully out and check out the components near the port

[reef ridge]

Did you try using Wi-Fi yet?

[keen glen]

I did try several times to setup the config for that.
Actually, I got tired of modifying the config for first boot so much to try getting it to work that I wrote a small rust app to pull the latest dietpi, validate the checksum, open the FAT partition and make all the config edits (dietpi.txt/config.txt) for me in the .img before flashing it to the emmc.
I'm assuming the adapter that came with it probably needs a kernel module that dietpi doesn't ship with, which is probably why it's not working.

[prisma saddle]

ya i bet that’s it. hmm. wonder if you could get a usb nic and plug it into the usb port on there.

or a nic hat

stuff like this. https://www.waveshare.com/product/raspberry-pi/hats/versatile.htm

but that’s just for testing. hmmm

[keen glen]

True, was just thinking that. I have a usb-c hub that I think might work. Not sure how well with a USB-A->C adapter, but I'll try it

[prisma saddle]

can come grab a nebra from me to borrow and test out parts. if your in herriman or riverton area sometime.

mine all work. so good test stage. if needed

have 3

[keen glen]

Thanks, might take you up on that.
I'll check out the mainboard for now to see if I can figure out what's going on there, and try out my usb nic
I haven't even been able to test the mesh hat 😢 I need to put it into a box, my cats have ripped the aluminum capacitor off the board overnight. twice .

Thankfull the pads are still intact

[prisma saddle]

@obsidian storm very cool idea imo. #apple message

[prisma saddle]

dang! hide that thing

[keen glen]

It's hidden away now 😂
Can you confirm when you've got a moment if R9 is populated on your Nebra mainboards?

It's not on mine

[reef ridge]

Looks like it isn't on mine.

[keen glen]

Thanks

[prisma saddle]

hmm fs20 has one in west mountain. that would be a good addition.