┊・just-chatting

[lusty bridge]

Anyone here taken the NCDA recently? I manage my orgs NetApps but our use case is really small and limited (just 4 AFF-220’s running NFS for vCenter datastore). I recently went through Neil Andersons ONTAP course which was great. Considering taking the NCDA as it’s a short test and the cost to test is relatively low. I’ve only got about a year NetApp experience. Anyone get their NCDA with a similar story? TIA!

[fast needle]

If you attend INSIGHT later this year, you can take free exams! So, you've got ~4 months to prepare!

[crystal field]

depending on where you are, your local NetApp offices might also offer certification days with 50% discounts, or they might even be able to get you a voucher so you can take the cert when you want and still get 50% off

we're pushing all our techies through NCDA rather sooner, and most pass it without problems. Even if they have less than 1 year of experience. But they're mostly working with ONTAP day-to-day, so that might not be an entirely fair comparison

[lusty bridge]

I live in Northern VA, any idea if there is a NetApp office in this area?

[crystal field]

sorry, I'm not from the US 🤷‍♂️

[pale moss]

Yes, there’s on in NoVA in MacLean.

[delicate ledge]

I know Waltham PA has an office and Raliegh (RTP) area does.

[craggy moth]

I just renewed mine at Insight last year.
After working with NetApp for 17 years and taking the practice exam (which is only 10 questions) and going to the prep session at Insight, there were still questions on there that I had absolutely no idea about. Just stuff that I never deal with in my current or past roles. But, just make sure you get the easy stuff right (especially the stuff that is covered on the practice exam), and you can get enough right to pass.

[delicate ledge]

Well...he probably made enough he doesn't have to work again...

Good for him.

[dry herald]

Afaik not Waltham anymore? ( @fresh solar might know and not just because of the name)

[fresh solar]

Waltham, MA still has an office though it’s in a different building now. I think there’s still an office in Pitttsburgh, PA too but not 100% sure

[craggy moth]

Yes, there is still an office in Pittsburgh, PA, but it has been scaled back considerably.
I don't know if they do any testing out of there though. I can find out if anyone is seriously interested though.

[fresh solar]

I assume the Pittsburgh office exists because that's where Spinnaker was located?

[craggy moth]

Yes, I believe you are correct. For many years there was a large lab there and a ton of development. The lab is gone, and I'm not sure how much development happens there now. It is a really nice office though.

[slender oxide]

What is everyone’s thoughts on replicating FSXN for netapp ontap data from AWS to GCP Netapp volumes?

Primary usecase is vendor resiliency

[fast needle]

SnapMirror is SnapMirror is SnapMirror, and BlueXP can orchestrate all that for you. The question really is about the workload and if it’s compatible with a solution like that

If it’s simply Disaster Recovery or a parachute to bail out, and all that’s required is spinning up some containers with persistent mounts, that’s pretty easy. Look at NetApp Astra to be able to orchestrate something like that for you

[slender oxide]

Cool thanks @fast needle that exactly what I thought, thanks for validating

[fast needle]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/technology/robert-dennard-dead.html

[crystal field]

oooh new logo?

[fresh helm]

https://insight.netapp.com/ I found one I liked on the INSIGHT page 🙂

[crystal field]

it looks cool

[fresh helm]

It's Electric
⁽ᵇᵒᵒᵍᶦᵉ ʷᵒᵒᵍᶦᵉ ʷᵒᵒᵍᶦᵉ⁾

[fresh helm]

https://x.com/spacex/status/1798098040588480826

SpaceX (@SpaceX) on X

Watch Starship's fourth flight test https://t.co/SjpjscHoUB

Twitter · Jun 4, 2024, 9:02 PM

[lilac elm]

Got to say well done to NetApp for beating earnings forecast, and 17% year on year growth of AFF. Share price rallying nicely:

[dry herald]

According to me eyeballing the Apple Stocks App, it just closed the highest it’s ever been - higher than adjusted Dotcom days

[twin flint]

I was griping about NetApp hardware last week but this week we’re impressed with how nice these SSD/NVMe drive blanks are, in part because they’re actually usable trays. Too bad we had to recycle most of them.

We wanted a particular aggregate setup and so ended up having to order and install the drives separately, but the shelves of course were full of blanks. Oh well.

[mild hazel]

ebay? people look for blanks.

[crystal field]

I'm not sure there's a lot of demand for the NVMe carriers on eBay yet... The NS224 shelves haven't made their ways to the "homelabbers" in great numbers yet 😉
But yeah, since these are just empty carriers that can be populated with actual drives, I guess at some point people will find a use for them. I'd say keep them around for a few years somewhere in the basement, and then sell them for massive profits on eBay 😄

[delicate notch]

Got some new signage in RTP.

Old and new.

[mild hazel]

005EB8 4EVER!

[twin flint]

Our first thought, but.. quasi-government agency, even trash picking is seen as ethically difficult. Sadly this job won't be equipping my home lab quite as nicely as previous private sector jobs!

[twin flint]

We kept 24 of them since that's a whole shelf... unlikely that we'll use them but weirder things have happened. We might have some, uh, ~improvised~ disk carriers in a couple DS460C trays since you can't reasonably buy those separately.

[fast needle]

I would kill for an NS224 shelf to pair with my C250. I can’t even get one 😦

[turbid hornet]

We might get our first A70 demo equipment soon! 😁

Illuminated bezel 🤩😮

[hidden girder]

Can someone get that old RTP signage shipped to the Vegas Datacenter(dude)? 🙂

[crystal field]

unless they tell you "yeah... about those bezels.. they're not ready yet and the first machines will be shipped with the old bezels instead" 😄

I mean, not like this ever happened before or something 😂

[fast needle]

I doubt the lady would be happy about that being in the studio

[hidden girder]

I was more concerned about the HOA notices you'd receive.

[mild hazel]

I would give it a good home as my mail box. no HOA here 😄

[twin flint]

I was just saying to our inventory people as we went around checking in this gear with the quote/POs in hand that it was unacceptable that for this much money I don't get a single glowing

I should take some pictures of the illuminated trim I salvaged from the EMC VMAX at an old job. Talk about overengineered. :)

[crystal field]

Why not build a watercooled NetApp and have something like this as the heat exchanger 😉

[fast needle]

There may or may not have been a conversation between me and EKWB in the past about doing a side project like that.

[noble python]

I can confirm they ship with illuminated bezel 😉

[turbid hornet]

Show us!

Which color? RGB? Does it blink??

https://tenor.com/view/rgb-rgb-intensifies-intensifies-intense-corsair-rgb-gif-13433637

[fast needle]

I want Cylon or Knight Rider mode

[crystal field]

Bezel Modding Competition at Insight?

I mean we do have some experience transporting bezels in hand luggage through the TSA checkpoints.... We could do it again this year 😉

[robust saddle]

I forget what model it was, but way back when I was in college, the computing center got a shiny new supercomputer that had indicator strips on the front panels to show IO/mem/cpu usage. So of course the first thing they did was program it to display the initials of the department. I wouldn't be surprised if they got the model that took up four racks just to have enough display space for that. 🤣

[fresh helm]

One of the best ways to make use of a service manual

[north jungle]

do we still call it the NOW site? We did in my day like 20 years ago 🙈

[fresh helm]

NSS is the abbreviation we use these days. NetApp Support Site

[north jungle]

now.netapp.com redirects there so someone did a dns thing right

[crystal field]

I still type now.netapp.com in the URL bar 🤪

[crystal field]

was it a Thinking Machines CM-5?

or maybe a CM-2

those things look awesome. Sadly I have never seen one in person

[robust saddle]

I don't think so. Wiki has Thinking Machines end ing 1994 and this would be 1995-ish. My memory has the status lights being more segments than pixels.

Going through the history of supercomputing wiki, maybe the Intel Paragon. There aren't any pictures of it powered on, but it looks like it might have segmented lights behind the smoked glass.

Found a powered on pic, that looks like my memory. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ORNL_Intel_Paragon_XP-S-150_ORNL_1994_(23601012678).jpg

[crystal field]

ah, nice

[ornate blade]

I dislike apple.

So very much.

[fading tartan]

Hardware engineering has done some work on immersion cooling. Ping Lueth if you want any more info. 🙂

[ornate blade]

May ten thousand bed bugs gnaw upon their c suite at night.

Nothing ever just works with apple. Unless you use their product and you can only do that if they felt like making one.

The moment you step off of their garden path your up to your arm pits in Thorns and bramble and weeds.

[hasty dust]

Hey guys, can you help me please, I was given the link to netapp website to download an upgrade tool for hardware disks https://mysupport.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/diskfwmustread.cgi/download/tools/diskfw/bin/X343_SSKBE1T8A10.NA02.LOD

But It doesn't open. How to get this .lod file from downloads sector?

[crystal field]

see my answer [here](#1262508668801519758 message)

short answer: your link is wrong or old (probably both), and it is not for an "upgrade tool", it is for a firmware file

[fresh helm]

Thanks for the redirect in here ^ 🙂

[crystal field]

regarding Insight this year, please please please make it more technical again! This "dumbing down" to marketing level is happening on all big industry conferences (VMware, Veeam, Cisco), and it is very infuriating 😭

I was on the "NetApp Spring Training" in, like 2008 or so? and that was awesome! It was a rather small conference (and I think it was mainly NetApp-internal) but it was very technical and deep-dive...

[fast needle]

Will definitely relay that feedback!

[crystal field]

We'll be coming over to Las Vegas with around 12 people again this year, and I can assure you they will all give the same feedback 🙂

[fast needle]

Please do!

[crystal field]

a coworker did some extensive Veeam+E-Series benchmarks with a NetApp TME (Mitch Blackburn) and he was asked if he would be fine with presenting his results at Insight.... a few days later NetApp came back with "hm we don't know if we can get you a slot, because this might be too technical ..."

[fading tartan]

that marketing vs technical fight is 10 years old. Godspeed, Nick.

[fast needle]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-sylvester-stallone-film-series-nothing-is-over-its-not-over-gif-17730271

[merry kraken]

If you are working cloud strike, good luck.

[ornate blade]

God speed you magnificant bastards!

My company dodged the raindrops like Neo in the Matrix.

[merry kraken]

🫡

[ornate blade]

del "C:\Windows\System32\drivers\CrowdStrike\C-00000291*.sys"

Test it first before doing what Crowdstrike did and pushing a bad update to prod. :V

A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.

[crystal field]

my unpopular opinion is that their update process had a serious hole and that some malicious 3rd party injected a bad update through an unauthenticated S3 endpoint or something 😂

wouldn't surprise me. Security companies often take their own security less serious than one would think

(we have a saying here in Germany along the lines of "the shoemaker always wears the worst/oldest shoes")

[ornate blade]

Thats a good saying, I am stealing that.

Gonna set up a scheduled task that prevents updates on a Thursday evening thru the weekend and turns them back on at 0001 Monday Morning.

Ill never have a burning Friday ever again.

[crystal field]

that can go both ways though. When the ransomware hits on saturday, and the patch from Friday would have prevented it, then you're not better off

[ornate blade]

Bah! Your logic and reason have no place here!

[crystal field]

https://tenor.com/view/castle-nathan-fillion-stana-katic-logic-story-gif-5190961

[ornate blade]

XD

[merry kraken]

The memes are great.

[severe citrus]

His tweet under it is great. “Fired.”

How’s the NetApp internal Corp IT doing this morning?

[severe citrus]

If this crashed every windows box it was installed on, how the bleep did it get released into the stable channel patch definitions??

Where the hell was QA? Like, as soon as /engineer/ made a change to the CS000*.sys file it should have crashed every computer it touched. Yet it still made it through the CI/CD pipeline without wrecking systems as it went through?

[merry kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-imposter-imposter-among-us-sus-among-us-sus-gif-158167910449982651

[fresh helm]

I think we're okay over here now, but I'm not IT and can't // shouldn't \ speak for them 🙂
I can't help but imagine the support center is slammed with people needing help with restores though.

[crystal field]

well apparently it doesn't crash immediately, at least for some people, because I have heard reports of people just rebooting again and again until the auto-update goes through and pulls the fix

[severe citrus]

Eh, it still would have crashed first. That was the crux. A bad C-*.sys file. So CI/CD should have known about it.

[merry kraken]

Vegas can’t catch a break with stuff

[merry kraken]

https://x.com/tomwarren/status/1814311261624058064?s=46&t=Nd_G4oWfJ1vPQLulD3zLyw

Tom Warren (@tomwarren) on X

even the Mercedes F1 team are struggling with the CrowdStrike Windows BSOD outage and they're wearing CrowdStrike t-shirts 🙃

Twitter · Jul 19, 2024, 2:48 PM

[ornate blade]

My boss lady was asking the same question. :V

Proper Quality Control procedures cost money and takes time.

Sometimes people think they dont need it and can pass the savings on to the shareholders.

And then before you know it... share price drops 100 points.

[ornate blade]

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-flames-burning-oh-no-muppet-gif-16586876

[fresh helm]

Did you hack into our command center security cams?

[ornate blade]

I just pulled your IP by hacking the GUI kernel on Discord and then used that to code a reverse-shell into your gabage disposal after which I navigated horizontally through your home network to piggy back the carrier signal on your VPN and am now sending your managers manager mean emails using your credentials.

[fresh helm]

Are you sure it wasn't the wireless Alexa-enabled kitchen sink faucet?
(edit: I don't have one of those, nor would I ever buy one)

[ornate blade]

Thats just plausible enough to hit home, and I cannot stop laughing even though I am supposed to be documenting labs right now.

[crystal field]

yeah but that's the point, apparently this thing is called something.sys but it's not actually a driver but rather just signatures or something. At least something that is not always immediately loaded.
Again, there are many reports of people being lucky and having enough uptime for it to download a fixed file

[mild hazel]

oof. yeah i fel bad for any desktop / MS Server admin in the world today.

[ornate blade]

Dont feel too bad: Eventually this problem will end and it will go away.

Feel bad for the people who are working at Crowdstrike who will now have a suspicious gap in their resume when they have to find new jobs.

[merry kraken]

People are already thinking this was on purpose some how

[hidden girder]

yeah, i guess it just feels different when you have over 5k workstations offline.

and you've put in a 10hr day already

[ornate blade]

Its going to suck, but when its over you can point to it as a reason why you should be kept around. Job security. And eventually it will be over and everything will go back to normal.

Except now Crowdstrikes reputation is in the trash so you will probably be replacing it shortly, and the people who work at Crowdstrike will be saddled with the blame and either have to get a new job because Crowdstrikes rep is in the trash and they are jumping ship, or because they are gonna take the fall for this screwup regardless of who actually did it, and be let go.

[hidden girder]

thankfully, i'm a storage admin

[fading tartan]

We don't use crowdstrike at company I'm residing in, but ppl in US-Central locations were unable to login due to the related azure issues.

[ornate blade]

Two of my friends have customers who use crowdstrike and woke up to outage alerts.

[hidden girder]

when it's over, the people at crowdstrike will be fine. newly needed procedures will be in place, more settings will be added for control. the world still needs cybersecurity.

[ornate blade]

One of the owners at my company was hypothesizing that Crowdstrike is done for, yeah we need cybersecurity but they figure Crowdstrike is gonna go the way of Symantec. The comapny is still around but its nowhere as big as it used to be.

[merry kraken]

A lot of dod was looking at crowdstrike to replace tellex because of solid core being doodoo

[hidden girder]

mcafee did the same thing to office in the early 2000's

[ornate blade]

Ooohh that explains a lot then. :V

[merry kraken]

Solidcore is still the worst. But yeah

[fresh helm]

How long until Windows Defender just takes over and performs these functions

[ornate blade]

Those two neurons have not yet connected within the Microsoft collective zeigeist.

[crystal field]

aren't they (CrowdStrike) still mainly investor-funded though? If they pull out their money will probably run out quickly

[merry kraken]

Windows defender on Unix. Oof

[ornate blade]

Microsoft Defender is never described as great or even good. It is and always has been "Perfectly adequate".

[merry kraken]

🥴

I guess if the mean time destroying the whole network is low, thumbs up 👍

[fresh helm]

Crowdstrike on a Mac isn't a great experience either.

It's also not a great company name 😬

[ornate blade]

Lots of things on a mac arent a great experience. :V

For example: ESXi.

My company assigned to me the task of installing ESXi onto an ARM2 chipset on a Mac Mini.

[crystal field]

In Germany it's even more funny. If you pronounce it slightly differently, it sounds like "Kraut" + "Streik" (as in "workers going on strike") 😂

This was in our Teams chat just minutes after we heard the news😂

[ornate blade]

https://fxtwitter.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1814268813879206397

[crystal field]

I was looking for something like this earlier. But a comparison to a "regular" day would be nice, I mean isn't it always the case that in the early morning there are very few flights anyway?

[ornate blade]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/time-lapse-video-shows-24-hours-flight-us-38336393

Ask and ye shall receive.

[crystal field]

okay, that's pretty impressive...

[fading tartan]

Heh, had same thought, threw in some historical labor references.

[severe citrus]

It was all zeros. https://x.com/christian_tail/status/1814299095261147448?s=46&t=iKzXUfUIpNtdVFUvOH1m6g

christian_taillon (@christian_tail) on X

@CroodSolutions @SamunoskeX @MalwareJake @UK_Daniel_Card @SwiftOnSecurity You're correct.

Full of zeros at least.

Twitter · Jul 19, 2024, 1:59 PM

[ornate blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738179644716482591/1263944415492313098/image0-31.png?ex=669c1377&is=669ac1f7&hm=dc493bf54117bc67219aeed18cf621e15fdab9ee8607a8950e7b55cc712a26bc&

https://fxtwitter.com/TheWapplehouse/status/1814294573478269434

[fresh helm]

That's unfortunate (for him). Probably shouldn't laugh at that, but I did.

[ornate blade]

I can imagine myself in his place, its not a fun place to be in.

[fresh helm]

Absolutely!

[severe citrus]

Nobody knows what azure is: https://youtu.be/Dn7cN0sJhrI?t=218

That’s a buzzword bingo presentation. Liability, Automate, Azure, Cloud, Customers, Hand holding. 3 guys on screen, that’s all the words they used.

[potent rivet]

The entire sum of everything that Crowdstrike might ever have prevented is probably less than the damage they just caused.

[severe citrus]

First of the RCAs: https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/technical-details-on-todays-outage/

[pale moss]

I’m late to the party but…

[hidden girder]

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/intune-customer-success/new-recovery-tool-to-help-with-crowdstrike-issue-impacting/ba-p/4196959

[fast needle]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shawn-henry-372bb74b_on-friday-we-failed-you-and-for-that-im-activity-7220983915421806592-VhPP

ICYMI

Shawn is former FBI retired and CISO @ CrowdStrike.

[fast needle]

https://youtu.be/wAzEJxOo1ts?si=TSyQ-uJ-aQ6sc7BL

1M views in 24 hours

[delicate ledge]

How do you say that in German?

[delicate ledge]

Neurons regularly never connect at Microsoft.

[crystal field]

"Die Schuster tragen die schlechtesten Schuhe"

[delicate ledge]

Thanks.

[delicate ledge]

I think it's telling he says "I had plenty of time to pull out my Macbook".

[fresh helm]

^ I enjoyed that quip. I also want a BSOD shirt like the one he's wearing.

[turbid hornet]

creative customer improving the looks of their new AFF C800 MCC-IP 👌 😁

[crystal field]

I still wonder why we don't get cool bezels for the shelves...

[fading tartan]

Cooling, prob.

[crystal field]

you mean the air gets through the bezel to a controller, but not to a disk shelf? 😂

I mean I get you, cooling is something that should be considered when designing a bezel, but it wouldn't be an impossible task I guess...

it's probably because you don't see the disks (and LEDs) anymore? but even that could be fixed by clever bezel design I think

[fading tartan]

The cooling dynamics are different. In controllers without embedded drives, the fans are a lot bigger & in front of the hot stuff blowing air over them. The fans in the shelf are sucking from behind the disks, so they already have obstructions and are farther away from the cold air. Keep in mind the thermodynamic realities of suction vs distance.

I'm sure we have data on this, bc we put bezels on embedded platforms.

Unfortunately I don't have nabox pulling from any embedded platforms, the one this customer has are in the red zone/locked down network. So I can't compare any of my own data. 🙂

[crystal field]

true... but... I mean, if this is something that works for some other vendor, I'm sure there would be a way, if NetApp really wanted to 😄

[fading tartan]

Of def. I just know, having had more than a few meetings about bezels for the Aff-A300, that engineering will win most arguments with marketing. If it was 2C hotter, they'd push for no bezel arguing for supportability and customer satisfaction long term.

Trust me, I want shit to look cool, too. 😂

[fading tartan]

I know it's apples to oranges bc processors/chassis etc.. But custy's A800 and C800 nodes get about 6C warmer than the A300s.

same datacenters, adjacent racks

nvme drives, man, so much more power/heat than sas ssd.

[crystal field]

It's not just the drives. It's also the IO modules which are basically full computers with a beefy Xeon(?) CPU and tons of RAM...

[fading tartan]

Yeah I know. A800 was my baby. I spec'd out those cpus, RAM, and drives. 🥹

[crystal field]

I meant those in the shelves, but yeah, A800 is pretty close to the thermal limit from what I've heard

[fading tartan]

Yeah, we pushed the envelope to make the most performant end-to-end NVMe platform, first among major vendors.

[crystal field]

1/3rd of the power are the 24 NVMe disks, and 2/3rds are the two NSM100 modules. This has been a problem in a few projects for us already where we couldn't meet the environmental constraints of the customer

[fading tartan]

we were fighting market perceptions of our flash solutions at the time. Sorry it didn't work for ya.

[crystal field]

yeah, no worries, we still sold quite a few of those systems... I also didn't completely understand how the competitor offered that particular customer a comparable all-flash system which (according to the customer) drew "a lot less power" and produced "a lot less heat"... They didn't tell us what vendor they ultimately went with, but the figures he hinted at (like 1/5th of what the AFF had) sounded rather fishy 🤷‍♂️

[fading tartan]

These A800's are pulling a smidge under 800W, so that's something pulling less than 200W, which is roughly an A300 with one shelf.

A300 with ds2446 shelves

A800 & C800 with one NS224

hmmm, that ns224 seems a bit warm. might need to head over and make sure it's not obstructed

[turbid hornet]

Welllll..... If NetApp puts bezels in front of an A250 which also has NVMe disks in the front, there should be enough cooling that you can also put bezels in front of NS224...
I don't think NSMs will create more heat than the A250 nodes. Or are they?

[turbid hornet]

Same here: You already don't see the disk LEDs with C250, FAS2820, etc. but they get their own bezel while the NS224 does not 😦

the NVIDIA DGX has one of the nicest looking bezel, I think the material is like a sponge 😄

also it's magnetic

[fading tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/magnets-gif-20309785

(jk am physics geek, i know how they work)

[patent gust]

I wondering if anyone has ever thought of doing custom bezels using 3d printing.

And I guess the answer is yes: https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/h9j07u/custom_server_bezel_oc/

[crystal field]

the problem is that most consumer-grade 3D printers cannot print 19'' parts in one go, so you have to compromise and use tons of glue... also the print quality (from what I've seen, at least) is not that great if you look from close-up (there's steps and layers visible everywhere) But yeah, if you have the skills (and spare time) to do all the post-processing I'm sure you can come up with something cool 🙂

[dry herald]

Bezel collectors may be interested to know that we did a set of bezels without cosmetic metallic foil during covid due to supply chain issues 😉

[mild hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-neat-wow-gif-5744318

[crystal field]

where can I get one of these ? Asking for a friend 😅 is there a separate P/N for those that can still be ordered?

[patent gust]

most consumer-grade 3D printers cannot print 19'' parts in one go

True, though there are other ways to connect them other than glue.

also the print quality (from what I've seen, at least) is not that great

Newer printers have MUCH better quality. I just recently acquired a Bambu Labs P1P and the quality (and speed) is amazing. Picture here of a nose cone I just recently printed for a model rocket build.

[fading tartan]

I got a few interesting ones, myself. 🙂

[dry herald]

I'm eyeing off a X1C 🤣 buy once, cry once..

[fading tartan]

Also have a blue 720, a couple aff300, some Nutanix, & some Huawei OceanStore

[dry herald]

I've got a 3210 and a 8020.. anything else is too big 😉

[patent gust]

If you do end up getting an X1C, I'd be interested to see the results of your prints. I ended up getting the P1P during Bambu's recent anniversary sale. And the P1P can be "upgraded" to the P1S and support the AMS. But for now, I didn't have any need for multi-color prints, nor for using high-heat filaments.

[dry herald]

See also buy once cry once.. 🤣

[delicate ledge]

Get out of here with that bad language :p

[ornate blade]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/mirrorshades-are-an-infosec-hazard-on-video-calls-so-what-should-cyberpunks-wear-now

[wanton condor]

**:bar_chart: Will you be attending INSIGHT this year? **

✅ Yes, I'm registered!
☑️ Yes, but not registered yet.
🚫 Not this year
❓ Undecided

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[fast needle]

@everyone We would love to get an idea of who in the community here will be joining us in Vegas for INSIGHT 2024! We are planning several fun activities focused solely on all of you and just trying to get a rough head count. Thanks!

[vital oracle]

as freelance it's in general a bit difficult 😄

[fast needle]

Understood! And knowing specific situations such as yours might can help us get you there in the future.

[ionic widget]

Unfortunately not this year. Only one Insight in America makes it difficult to participate from Europe

[valid coral]

Dang, wish I could.

[willow lichen]

Yep, long flight from Germany...

[fluid oyster]

I'll be there this year presenting

[ionic widget]

Not only a long flight but also hard to argue with attending an event in Vegas

[fading tartan]

I'd love too, miss the crew a ton, but not in the cards this year.

[simple barn]

I'll be there! Can't wait!

[crystal field]

We'll be joining again with about 10 people from Germany. We even got a speaker slot again this year 🙂

we already booked an AirBnB for the weekend before and planned a trip to Boulder 🙂

[ionic widget]

Wow what a commitment for NetApp

[crystal field]

there's an awesome little breakfast restaurant in Boulder, called the Coffe Cup. We've been there every year when we're at Insight

[hoary canyon]

I'll be there, and presenting together with some folks over here, AND a German guy 😇

[ebon wren]

I will be there too, presenting a session as well.

[dim hare]

I’ll be there. (NOT presenting a session 😂)

[slow anvil]

@crystal field ohai. Fancy seeing you here 😛

[naive pollen]

i’ll be there but won’t be able to compete with your facial hair game

[ionic widget]

From which company it’s allowed to ask?1

[crystal field]

Totally not a secret. Advanced UniByte

[dry herald]

Travel is off the cards for me until 2027 I think. Leaving my wife at home with a toddler would not be great, and Perth Australia to Las Vegas is a lonnnng flight

[ornate blade]

I have successfully built an IPv6 lab for work.

And am getting services onto IPv6.

https://tenor.com/view/working-anakin-starwars-gif-4653092

[carmine onyx]

Not this year. I’ve got a vacation planned in Norway. 🙂

[ornate blade]

I am not able to go. Alas.

[signal phoenix]

Present!

[untold siren]

I won't be attending. First INSIGHT since 2009 that I won't be there. But my team and the Hands-On Labs will be!

[mild hazel]

Myself and several other A-Teamers are doing a session on certification development!

https://insightregistration.netapp.com/flow/netapp/insight2024/sessioncatalog/page/sessioncatalog?search=1034

[fast needle]

We need to get you staffed up in here!

[crystal field]

nice! see you there then 🙂

Maybe it's time for an "insight-2024" channel on the Discord? @fresh helm @fast needle ?

[silk heath]

will drop by to say hi 🙂

[fresh helm]

Should have that all ready later this week or early next.

[untold siren]

It was my choice. I've passed the HOL torch to the current LOD leadership. They've developed a Credly badge achievement lab for all you folks that like to collect digital bling for LinkedIn and other socials. That's new this year.

[mild hazel]

Is that offically anounced yet?

[fresh helm]

Looks like it is now 😆

[fast needle]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[untold siren]

From the INSIGHT session catalog:

[mild hazel]

Few of us in my session helped on that. was fun.

[untold siren]

Thank you for the partnership! It was great to do this for the event. Now we've got to see what we can do ongoing.

[crystal field]

oh I so need to do this 🙂

[fast needle]

Bumping the poll so it doesn't get lost! Let us know!

[fair compass]

Am I the only one who wants the Insight back to Europe? 👍

[fast needle]

No, I promise you're not. ❤️

[untold siren]

I am right there with you. Rome, Athens, Dublin, Berlin, Barcelona... all were great events.

[fair compass]

Athens was the one with the boomthread? 😉 good times... no sales guys back then...

Pretty sure there was also one in Prague? (I'm too old for this...) 🙂 (Prague was in 2008, and this first one in EMEA) I am proud to have been there!

2008: Prague, 2009: Athens, 2010: Prague, 2011: Rome, 2012: Dublin, 2014: Berlin, 2015: Barcelona (that's all I can remember....)

[turbid hornet]

Oh dang, wish I could be there...
Will this be available on LOD maybe later on?

@crystal field could be something for our TechNoon/Night/SE-Stammtisch sessions 🕹️

[crystal field]

sure I'll try to remember as much as I can from that lab 🙂

[craggy moth]

Can I meet up with you so that you can all speak German to me and I can see how inadequate all my time on Duolingo has been? 😆

I am planning to be at Insight... maybe I can get an autograph from @fast needle?

[fast needle]

There may or may not be something given out at INSIGHT that I would be honored to autograph.

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[fast needle]

To be clear, we will not be giving out babies at INSIGHT this year.

[gilded hearth]

please don't

I have enough of those already

🙂

[final cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/get-in-my-belly-hungry-gif-5136807321430330592

[ornate blade]

Chasing down a replacement apple cable became such an unnecessary adventure.

I thought I would be clever and go to the Apple store.

I called ahead to confirm before I left.

They say its in stock and they will sell it to me.

I get to the store.

Its not in stock, and they will not sell it.

Okay.

https://tenor.com/view/rage-smoke-mad-hades-hercules-gif-16964488

Drove 30 minutes one way for this when Best Buy was ten minutes down the road.

[crystal field]

Aber sicher doch! 😂

[crystal field]

An A1k bezel?

[exotic fractal]

Will be there! Looking forward to it!!

[craggy moth]

See, I had to look that up 🙂

[fading tartan]

Welcome! Make sure to introduce-yourself! Before I do it for ya, iSCSI boy! 🤣

[turbid hornet]

A70 in our lab 🤩

[mild hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-neat-wow-gif-5744318

That's a fine looking bezzel.

[mild hazel]

1024kb capacity too i bet.

[fading tartan]

Nah, 44kb, bc a kb weighed a Kg back then.

[crystal field]

Actually either 200 or 325 mb. That's an IBM 10SR drive from a System/36 🙂

[fading tartan]

I have photos somewhere of the drives in display cases in the Mainz, Germany IBM office, from when I gave some hands-on training to IBM field folks on V-Series. Like, the first 8-10 generations.

[crystal field]

nice. I don't know many of these IBM drives though, I have not had much touch points with Mainframes before. My former university has one node of their Convex cluster on display (including a disk drive) which I always found fascinating

[hoary quiver]

Anyone have any experience with the NAF-1703?

https://www.netapp.com/pdf.html?item=/media/12565-h615cfamilynaf1703.pdf

[hoary quiver]

kill me now

lmao

[crystal field]

what's a NFA-1703?

[turbid hornet]

apparently it's some sort of product-number of HCI nodes like H610S or H615C

[turbid hornet]

Does one need to register under insight.netapp.com to be able to watch Insight 2024 videos?
Asked differently: Is it even possible to watch (some/all/any?) Insight sessions on netapp.tv? I remember it was possible during COVID-times.
Or will you only upload them after Insight is finished?

[crystal field]

Speaking of Insight... how's the Discord channel coming along?

[fast needle]

We’re gonna get it all up this week, maybe today…(TBD)

[crystal field]

I walked past this building this weekend and thought "wait, is that a new NetApp office?" 😂 (picture not mine, I forgot to take a picture myself)

[fresh helm]

That's pretty cool looking though

[crystal field]

it's the city library in Stuttgart. Pretty futuristic looking, especially on the inside

[fresh helm]

That looks like a rendering, but it's not. It looks just like a video I found on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk3nkS1GoDY

[crystal field]

yeah, it's pretty famous I guess 🙂

If you're ever in Germany, you should visit the parts around Stuttgart (and come over and say hi, of course 😉 ). Lots of things to see here in addition to cool libraries 🙂

[fresh helm]

I've been all around Stuttgart but not actually in the city. I don't recall why, but we ended up at Echterdinger Brauhaus down near the airport there.

[crystal field]

nice 🍺 next time you should visit Metzingen. Tons of outlet stores there 🛍️, and of course our HQ 🙂

[fresh helm]

Now! #┊insight-2024
If the category isn't showing up, you can easily add it here: id:browse

[ornate blade]

My company is having me get my feet wet for ipv6.

It's been an adventure. I haven't touched it since my college days.

But a fun one.

[craggy moth]

I'm bummed that I missed you at Insight, @fast needle.
The one time I saw you, you were in the middle of recording something.
I also missed out on my opportunities to get pictures with Schreck and/or Kung-Fu Panda.
Luckily I was busy learning other stuff!

[fresh helm]

Now I sort of wish we could’ve gotten one of the characters to photobomb the live stream.

[hearty wolf]

Hi NetApp Team, would like to check-in on where to get in touch with a Netapp partner manager? We have been trying to apply for the NetApp Partner Alliance program but no one responded since last year. Any other ways to get in touch with the correct person? Thank you so much!

[fast needle]

That would be determined based on geographic region typically. Are you comfortable sharing which partner and geo/region you cover? You can also DM me if you prefer and I’ll see if I can put you in touch.

@warm ferry also might be able to assist if he gets the ping

[hearty wolf]

Hi Nick, i'll send you a dm. Thank you!

[ornate blade]

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/add-macos-to-your-continuous-integration-pipelines-with-aws-codebuild/

[patent gust]

CodeBuild and CodePipeline are both very useful. Just wish CodeCommit were not be deprecated. I know most folks just use GitHub/GitLab/BitBucket ... but CodeCommit had some interesting uses, particularly with sandbox accounts.

[karmic oxide]

OMG Win 11 24H2 has bricked my NUC 13 Extreme twice so far... Thanks M$

[elder herald]

So… for those of us with Homelabs… anyone have any solid suggestions for a good SAS card? Apparently my ancient ancient 9211-8i cards can’t handle any modern SAS drives without losing it.

[crystal field]

what OS? I have seen 9211 cards having trouble with Linux that work perfectly fine in FreeBSD, for example

[crystal field]

"trouble with Linux" in my case means that it crashed/froze during boot

[crystal field]

in the past I have used the PMC Sierra cards (X2072 and friends) successfully in some Linux servers, but they are huge (full height full length) which makes them less than ideal for smaller servers 😉

[karmic oxide]

you looking for HBA (software raid) or hardware RAID?

[karmic oxide]

If you are looking for HBA connectivity this is what I had used (before switching to NVMe)... It is a bit spendy... but it comes with all the pigtails
https://amzn.to/4eEy3I4

[karmic oxide]

Here is a less spendy model that also works well
https://amzn.to/3XZoCvU

[crystal field]

I'm using external SAS storage (DS4246 shelves) though 🙂 and again, my setup is working fine for me in FreeBSD anyway so I don't need a new SAS card

[karmic oxide]

cool... I use truenas and it work wonderfully for most of my needs in the lab

[karmic oxide]

sorry aaron this was for you:
https://amzn.to/3XZoCvU

[karmic oxide]

sorry sir... replied to the wrong person... I really don't like the way discord does threads

[elder herald]

Funnily enough, I've had issues on Debian Based (TrueNAS Scale), FreeBSD (TrueNAS Core) as well as Server 2019 & Windows 11. I'm not really believing I have 15 bad drives, as my other Storage Server sees absolutely NO issue with the drives at all.

I currently have 8 in use, but have 7 for spares in case one does actually go bad. And all 15 drives on this specific SAS card start showing issues whenever I do any sort of large scale write actions to them.

[delicate ledge]

If you can, run Spinrite on them. That will tell you if they are bad or not.

RAID controllers are stupidly sensitive to failure too.

[crystal field]

spinrite? now that's a name I haven't heard in decades 🙂 it was a good tool when MFM was state of the art and IDE was the new hotness. But since then it's basically useless, especially on SCSI drives

[fresh helm]

Spinrite got an update earlier this year. It sounds like he's working on v7 now.

[mild hazel]

really? it's been like 10 years

didn't think you could use it on a RAID though

[fast needle]

I’ve seen success repurposing some of the HP cards in proliant servers for hooking up DS4246 shelves. The tricky part is getting in and flipping the HBA mode.

The cable spec also drove me a bit nuts getting the right QSFP

[elder herald]

I'll wait for Community Edition before I take the plunge on getting a shelf. I hate buying hardware I can't fully utilize to my own wild whims.

[crystal field]

shelves are being thrown out by the dozens by partners/system integrators though 🙂

[fast needle]

Honestly it’s apples and oranges. The shelves have no built-in intelligence other than power delivery, as well as a 6Gbps backplane bottleneck

Hook it up to a windowsPC, won’t make a difference ultimately

[elder herald]

You tell me where they're throwing out the shelves, and I'll be there to catch them in my car's trunk. XD

[fast needle]

It’s 100% solely about spindle count

[crystal field]

well you gotta drive to Germany then 😄

[elder herald]

No one here in San Antonio is dumping them.

[crystal field]

just yesterday I took a look at the stash for the recyclers and there were two 8080s, some 8020s and 4 or 5 DS2246 shelves with (I think) 900g or 1.2tb sas drives

[elder herald]

So what you're saying is Germany is the place to get all the good stuff.

[crystal field]

can't speak for all of Germany but it's definitely possible if you have the connections (netapp partners/resellers). Usually end-customers selling stuff to second-hand traders is difficult for tax reasons and gdpdr compliance and so on, so most companies are just happy if you take their old stuff and recycle it so they don't have to deal with it anymore. and since re-selling used stuff comes with its own difficulties (you have to give a 2y warranty for example) it's too much of a hassle usually, so it gets thrown away after we properly sanitized it

[fast needle]

I’ve seen them on eBay for $150. Filter by location and see if they allow pickup. Also, don’t underestimate local govt surplus sites

[hidden girder]

My bezel shirt got some recognition today in Disney

[fresh helm]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-alexis-rose-tell-me-im-listening-listening-gif-23850121

[fast needle]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-o-rly-owl-gif-7905924

[hidden girder]

I heard "i need that shirt" on the bus to AK

[dry herald]

what does it look like?

[fresh helm]

I don’t think a pic made it in here, somehow. The top pic is the front, lower pic is the back.

[hybrid viper]

If any of the old perf gurus are lurking here Ian, Ken, Notch. Thank you I'm still passing forward the performance framing lessons you taught me at NetApp many moons ago.

[dry herald]

That’s fantastic!

[fresh helm]

It’s one of my favorite shirts to wear to campus now.

[summer zodiac]

needs to be in the gear store...must have...how do I get? 🤪

[crystal field]

even if that happened, it would probably only be in the US gear store anyway... with a 90$ shipping fee to Europe so out of reach for most people who couldn't/didn't attend Insight and would be most interested in the shirt 🫣

(sorry for the snarky comment but the gear store and the vouchers they sometimes give away are one of my pet peeves because they are so utterly useless to anyone not from the US...)

[fresh helm]

That was a once ever offering at INSIGHT this year. I’d love to have a design to sell.

[fresh helm]

Aware. And noted 😐

[summer zodiac]

some see problems, others see opportunities 😉 maybe @crystal field can open the Officially Unofficial NetApp GearStore Europe?

[crystal field]

well, there is a european Gear Store, but they don't take the vouchers from the US store (and those are the ones that are given away on events or as prizes). Also, I thought I could be smart and just take the voucher to the Gear Store at Insight and save on shipping, but it turns out they don't accept them either 🤷‍♂️

[summer zodiac]

that's frustrating - I'm sorry to hear that

[plush osprey]

@darkstar Sorry- that sounds pretty annoying. You could probably sell the voucher, but tbh the gear store is not what it used to be. I remember being able to buy all kinds of really cool swag at great prices- now they barely have anything.

[honest frigate]

is mysupport down for anybody else?

[fresh helm]

Loaded right up for me

[honest frigate]

oh, i cant seem to get passed the login screen, just hangs

[crystal field]

It does that from time to time. Usually it helps to clear all cookies

[honest frigate]

yeah I've been trying all sorts, cleared cookies, incognito, tried connecting from a vm in azure, vpn into work network, even my phone

all the same

made the mistake of not pre-downloading the latest storagegrid patch for the mainenance window I had scheduled

[honest frigate]

don't suppose anyone here can send me 11.8.0.7

[fresh helm]

What’s the error you’re getting at login?

[honest frigate]

none, it just hangs with a white screen

after I enter login/otp

[novel nymph]

I have a shelf stack using the onboard A/B ports. I want to add another stack. Can I use C/D or do I have to move the current B port to D so the new stack can use B/C?

[novel nymph]

Essentially, are both allowed or just the one on the right?

[crystal field]

they are both wrong 🙂

Here is the cabling guide

it is important to use the correct SAS ports as they are divided into two SAS domains and must not be mixed. Also you need to have the "return path" go to the other controller (which is wrong in both pictures)

[novel nymph]

Thanks!

[severe citrus]

👀

https://x.com/commanderapaul/status/1861813733246251264?s=46&t=iKzXUfUIpNtdVFUvOH1m6g

CommanderApaul is on BSKY (@CommanderApaul) on X

I ran into a Year 2038 problem today, and only realized it because I knew of the Year 2038 problem.

As I have vented about, we are currently migrating on onprem file servers to Azure NetApp Files. We have landed on "Use NetBackup to restore shares to ANF and then delta."

1/5

Twitter · Nov 27, 2024, 4:45 PM

[crystal field]

well known issue/limitation, see here and here for example. For SnapLock they developed a workaround (basically an epoch switch) and I guess there will be a fix in time (i.e. within the next 10 years :-D)

my hope was that they fixed it when they had to touch/modify the inofile format for the new FlexGroup GDD feature anyway. I'd need to check with a 9.16 ONTAP but I doubt it's in there 🤔

[crystal field]

no, just checked, timestamps in the inode are still 32 bit only, even in 9.16

[hidden girder]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-backtothefuture-bttf-back-to-the-future-movie-backtothefuturemovie-gif-8277183654145756493

[karmic oxide]

anyone else having OTP issues this morning

[fresh helm]

What are you seeing?

[karmic oxide]

no otp messages to allow authetication

trying to get into partner portal, hwu, and fusion

no emails... tried 4 browsers and then checked my egress quaratine and junk... nothing there

[fresh helm]

I was able to use one of my guest test accounts with no issues. Anyone else seeing email delivery issues?

[karmic oxide]

welp just figured it out... not a netapp problem... my company just switches to egress defend from microsoft and it went to a "_Graymail" folder and my issues are resolved... sorry to fly the red flag

[fresh helm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-not-a-security-threat-security-threat-trust-me-dwight-dunder-mifflin-gif-15666750

[fresh helm]

All good. Glad to know it's not us this time 🙂

[karmic oxide]

I dunno I find that just increasing the volume on some Peter Gabriel will resolve most issues lolz

[hidden girder]

If only I could register my security key @ netapp

[turbid hornet]

Use identity federation and add it there

[hidden girder]

both dreamy ideas

[turbid hornet]

we've done it (with Entra ID), not sure how difficult it was to configure, but soooo much better with SSO and no need for those OTP mails all the time

[fresh helm]

https://kb.netapp.com/Support/General_Support/FAQs_for_NetApp_adoption_of_MS_Azure_AD_B2C_for_login
The process for requesting/setting that up is listed near the bottom of this article.

[fast needle]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/datacenterdude_heres-my-hot-take-pat-gelsinger-isnt-just-activity-7269511016869179392-gxn0

(I should add the disclaimer that my views don't necessarily reflect those of NetApp, Inc but given today's news, it needed to be said.)

[crystal field]

Look what we found while cleaning our storerooms😂

Serial# 2002453 ... Maybe someone in here can do a quick lookup when this was sold? 🤔

[fresh helm]

@mild hazel ? 🙂

[fast needle]

It was discontinued in 2002. So definitely late 90s

[mild hazel]

don't think we track anymore that far back.

[untold siren]

That was the first platform I worked on. It was an 820 with a new bezel and the first to boot from CF instead of floppy. FC SAN capable with ONTAP 6.3.

[fresh helm]

Has that one even been turned on? It looks spotless!

[mild hazel]

Released in 2002 - that was shipped 2003

[fresh helm]

I thought that SN might indicate a production date, at least to some degree

YYYYWW##?

[mild hazel]

where is employee 114 when you need him.

[fresh helm]

We gonna summon him? (when he's available again)

[mild hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/showtime-beetlejuice-gif-24573561

[crystal field]

Apparently this was the first system we (as a partner) sold... that must have been early 2004 I think. I'm not sure if this is the actual system or just a stand-in though.
And yeah, it was definitely in use, I guess they cleaned it a bit before presenting it today at our small partner anniversary event

single-port 100mbit ethernet in the back 😄

[mild hazel]

2003. I looked it up.

[glossy wolf]

Hi mates I have 2 netapp fas2750, I will do a shutdown today like in one hour because client is moving to another location, HA is enabled, should I disable after entering the suppression maintenance mode? to avoid LIF move between ports and failover stuff? things to keep in mind? thanks, I will follow this documentation @gray wolf

https://kb.netapp.com/on-prem/ontap/OHW/OHW-KBs/How_to_perform_graceful_shutdown_and_power_up_of_all_ONTAP_nodes_in_a_cluster

[split wigeon]

hi

Recently I just install ASA system. It is ISCSI direct attach. When we had the failover test, the network ports are degraded. After I unplug and plug it again, it becomes healthy again. We had the test serval times, experience the same issue. How do I prevent it?

NetApp support said we had to do this again when degraded🙈 until it doesn't work

[mild hazel]

Can you post in either #1062049169520476220 or #1062049107096633454 and share the case number?

[crystal field]

"the network ports"? can you clarify which network ports? the ones of the node that has been taken over? cluster ports? data ports?

[fresh helm]

Hopefully @split wigeon will answer that question in a thread 🙂

[split wigeon]

data ports

[fresh helm]

[lapis holly]

yes

[crystal field]

So the ports are flapping which causes ONTAP to set them to degraded. The quick fix would be to set the ports to ignore the health status but that fixes the symptom, not the cause...

set advanced; network port modify -node ... -port ... -ignore-health-status true
This is obviously not a good idea in general, but for direct-attach I guess it is okay

[hoary quiver]

i would pay anyone money to help me get a nvidia gpu working on this netapp server

smh

[crystal field]

what "netapp server"? these are not servers 😂

[fresh helm]

^ Gotta go way back for that: #┊・just-chatting message

[noble python]

Bring Back 2*16 LCD 😍

[crystal field]

ah.. the HCI nodes

[frank pulsar]

Hi Any Net App staff available right now?

i want to know abt job qa job application from where i should apply
?

[young ferry]

Boxing Day. A holiday in most places.

[fresh helm]

You're always welcome to ask! Hop down to #1101560027392770151

[crystal field]

boxing day? we call it Christmas over here 🤷‍♂️

I guess you could call Christmas "un"-boxing day though...

[fresh helm]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_Day

[crystal field]

Yeah I had to look it up. Never heard that name before, I thought it was about the sport 😅

[fresh helm]

There’s probably some amateur boxing going on in some of the return desk lines on the day after Christmas too 🥊

[dry herald]

Had a catchup with @fresh solar tonight! Thanks for stopping by!

[vital oracle]

Happy new Year!

[fresh helm]

Happy New Year! 🍾🥳

[sterile verge]

Hey i got a NetApp for free and i want to check what hardware it has i only have the serial numbers but i cant find a SN lookup page?

[turbid hornet]

Show us pics from the front and back, we can help you then

the NetApp folks in here could also check the SNs

[crystal field]

the model number is usually written on the bezel at the front. You can look that up to see the specs. You can only look up the serial number if you have the original netapp.com account/login it was registered to

[fast needle]

👉 #┊・homelabs

[fresh helm]

Well, okay.

9 minutes after asking the question

[dry herald]

cool picture though

[fast needle]

Cardinal Kitteh

[lusty bridge]

good morning friends, hope you are all well and had a good holiday season. currently taking the NCDA later this month - been using Neil Anderson's slightly outdated 2019 course. Looking into exam objectives, the only "list" i can find is on this page. Is there a more granular list available that anyone knows of, ie. perhaps outlining which solutions are tested on and how far back legacy systems are covered? I know there's still orgs out there using platforms that are quite outdated compared to the newer NetApp stuff. Cheers

https://www.netapp.com/support-and-training/netapp-learning-services/certifications/data-administrator/

[crystal field]

it doesn't go back very far. I'd say 9.13 or thereabouts, and FAS2700 / A300 or around that for hardware

nothing in particular about these things though. if there's a certain hardware model mentioned it's probably because you need to know if it has internal disks or not. And if an ONTAP version was mentioned then it's probably a question that has changed behavior (or is unavailable) in a certain ONTAP release

so no lookup questions like "tell the model from the picture" or "what is the minimum root aggregate size for model XYZ"

[lusty bridge]

Thanks very much!

[ornate blade]

My bosses bosses bosses boss asked me to do data recovery.

Owner of the company.

Pays my mortgage.

Here is the machine that he wanted data off of.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478346985481437194/1328818520649105499/20250114_151010.jpg?ex=6788162f&is=6786c4af&hm=5913bf03b03f9809daf0a2496bf078f735a27c0167f255c2956bdf9a7b874e05&

[mild hazel]

that's probably more archeology at that point no?

[dry herald]

Oh boy.. IDE drive hopefully? Get a USB to IDE controller and image the device using ddrescue and then mount the image with loop back

[ornate blade]

I powered it on and I heard a high pitched whine. I think it was a cap dying.

No activity light on the drive.

[mild hazel]

The off the shelf software "drill doctor" is also pretty good at data recovery, (if the drive can be detected)

[crystal field]

oh boy this thing is oooold. My guess would be a 386

if you're unlucky it has an MFM or EDSI drive

for MFM, there are hardware solutions to read them out. For EDSI I'm not so sure

[dry herald]

Yeah that’s my guess too. Open it up and take a photo of the drive?

Power supplies can be repaired too. I’m a bit of a retro computer hobbyist in my spare time

[crystal field]

ESDI and MFM use very similar cables so to be sure you'd have to look up the drive model number

[ornate blade]

Give me a sec and I can get photos of the drive.

[crystal field]

and if it's an old IDE drive (before ATAPI) chances are that it won't work with one of those IDE-USB adapters either

[mild hazel]

what's the capacity?

[ornate blade]

I have no idea.

[turbid hornet]

Does this tighten the bits so you can store more on it's drive? (sorry can't help here I'm too "young" for this)

[crystal field]

this is definitely pre-IDE. Control Data? wow

[turbid hornet]

I only remember the turbo button on these things I pressed as a kid.

[crystal field]

https://wiki.preterhuman.net/Magnetic_Peripherals_94205-51
This should be the drive

[ornate blade]

Yup.

[crystal field]

nice. only 2 defects 👍

well, back in 1988 that is

[ornate blade]

He said he just shut it down one day and never turned it back on since.

[turbid hornet]

oh boy that box is older than me

[ornate blade]

It's older than me too.

[turbid hornet]

at least the seals are not broken

I would call Control Data 🤡

[ornate blade]

I'll see if I can't look up customer service in the phone book. :v

[crystal field]

phew. so the bearings in those drives don't get better with age. I guess that was the high-pitched noise you heard... Also, another problem with MFM harddisks is that the lowlevel format was entirely controlled by the controller card in the PC... so you can't just plug the drive into a different PC with a different controller card and expect it to work

[ornate blade]

Do you think a computer archeologist would be interested in doing data recovery?

[mild hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

Get off my lawn you youths

[crystal field]

I have to admit that this is probably even too much for me 😅
If I were you I'd probably try and contact some of the better-known retro enthusiasts on YouTube for example, and see if they can help. Start with CuriousMarc, Usagi Electric and/or Adrian from Adrian's Digital Basement 🙂

(and if you don't know them, watch their channels, fascinating stuff! 😉 )

[crystal field]

aaanyway, what kind of data does he need to recover that's 30+ years old by now (and that he still remembers is on that particular PC/drive)? That almost sounds like he wants to set you up with an impossible task on purpose 🙂

found the info on the HDD. it's a CDC WREN II, a pretty popular MFM drive back in the time. 51 megs unformatted, 43 megs MFM formatted

here's a guy who has developed a device for reading MFM drives without a PC, and here's a video of Adrian testing/using it to dump one of his harddisks

[ornate blade]

I am subscribed to two out of three. :v

[ornate blade]

Considering I had to hold his hand for O365 stuff, I think he just is old.

And didn't know better.

Also I think his wife wanted it out of his house lol.

Its now sitting in my office so maybe he will let me take it off of his hands.

[dry herald]

Also janbeta and necroware

[crystal field]

yeah, those two mostly do newer stuff though (Jan is basically a walking Commodore repair manual and Necro's skills of resoldering and fixing physically broken mainboards is awesome)

[dry herald]

Poor elio..

[crystal field]

why what happened to him? 🙂

[fast needle]

Doc raked his eyes out, apparently

[mild hazel]

Whoo?

[lusty bridge]

Passed my NCDA today 😀 was a good exam!

[rain loom]

Nicely done!

[unique sluice]

@fast needle please accept my friends add, i need your help about SPP data for some HP servers Gen 8

[fast needle]

We have the #┊・homelabs channel for any help needed setting up stuff

If you’re asking for a source of the SPP, the one I linked in the video took it down unfortunately, and I don’t have another source.

[exotic fractal]

@fast needle for tomorrow's event, is that 10:00 AM PST?

[fresh helm]

The event time is displayed in everyone's own local TZ.
<t:1738173600:F>, <t:1738173600:R>

[unique sluice]

well unfortunately, but thanks for your response

[robust saddle]

Walking through a colo today, I glanced in a cage and saw a FAS2020 still happily blinking away. EOA in 2012, EOS in 2017, max version of 7.3. Hopefully it isn't doing anything too critical.

[mild hazel]

Probably Running a critical workload someone setup 15 years ago and never touched it again.

[fast needle]

Was there a 6509 and a PIX firewall in the rack next to it?

[robust saddle]

I'll check next time I'm there. There were a few Sun systems in that cage too

[fast needle]

Oh god no. The PTSD…

https://tenor.com/view/triggered-shaking-disturbance-tremor-gif-16822106

Probably had Hitachi thunderbolt DAS fiber-attached bricks. 🤮

[crystal field]

so... according to the blog posts and news releases, "The Future of Storage" is block storage again now?

also a new silo that is incompatible with the existing Data Fabric? Somehow I feel betrayed 😂

[fast needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3oPqI1lY-s

If you're interested in checking out the Cisco Live EMEA keynote, here's the 3-hour VOD!

[crystal field]

We have a delegation of around 10 people from our company there right now 😂
Next year I'll try joining them as well but currently I "only" get to visit Insight each year😅

[fast needle]

Robb Boyd running around saying "AI" as much as possible in the intro is hilarious. Well-played on them for steering into it

[fresh helm]

We've got some NetApp people there too. @hoary canyon is (or was) there.

[turbid hornet]

Make that ~20

[crystal field]

oh really that many? Did they invite the marketing department again this year? 😉

[sinful swallow]

Perhaps an old R200 sitting in the corner.

[dry herald]

I have administered all of those pieces of equipment in the past 🤣

[dry herald]

Iykyk

[cobalt egret]

Do we have a channel for certifications as well?

[fresh helm]

There's not a channel specifically for certifications, in favor of asking questions in the channel matching the topic of interest for the exam.

[royal widget]

Just joined and realised, my NetApp cert is so old it's not even a thing anymore.

"NetApp Certified Data Management Administrator 7-Mode". Apparently I have the ZIP for the certification logos...it used to be a thing some people used in their CVs.

[fresh helm]

They go on Credly and linkedin these days.

[mild hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-many-years-gif-25204373

[robust saddle]

no PIX, but a bunch of Cisco 2500s in early 2000s Cisco green, also a Sun StorEdge T3 😂

[karmic oxide]

Well the killing off of GFC has left me in a terrible spot... UGH...

[turbid hornet]

Once FlexCache write-back works reliably it can be a good replacement.

[fast needle]

There were a lot of strategic reasons for this, none of which should be discussed publicly, but as OG1 mentioned, FlexCache is likely a better option that keeps ONTAP things ONTAP.

[karmic oxide]

Might be... but until Ontap select will run on hyper-v, azure local, or anything besides VMware and RHEL based KVM; it has me pivoting to much less desirable solutions....

[fast needle]

oh so this is an ONTAP Select thing... gotcha. Now it makes sense.

[subtle rover]

Had a nice little surprise at badge pickup today at Scale22x

[fast needle]

Not the right place for this. Please make a post in #1101560027392770151

[graceful oasis]

Apologies if I'm overlooking a cert-specific channel, but I've got a quick question about a couple of certs that are expiring shortly. For both the NCSIE and NCIE SAN ONTAP, it appears the only path for renewal is to take their respective exams. There is no option to renew those by attaining some other cert. Is that accurate?

[mild hazel]

correct, they will re-up your NCDA though.

[graceful oasis]

Thanks, much obliged!

[karmic oxide]

I am sorry if anyone got spammed by me... My discord account was compromised... It has been resolved now and MFA added

[fresh helm]

Welcome back

[fast needle]

Thanks Ben!

Wise reminder to everyone to please use 2FA with your Discord accounts!

[turbid hornet]

@fast needle Still one more of the spam messages in the "hybrid-cloud" channel

[fast needle]

https://tenor.com/view/matt-hardy-delete-wwe-gif-10593305

[fresh helm]

Oops. I missed that one earlier

[quasi sleet]

team, there is a online tool to size NetApp storage?

[crystal field]

fusion.netapp.com

[mild hazel]

That’s only partner and internal though.

[crystal field]

well there's also this which seems to at least show correct results (at least from the few tests I did) but it is rather basic (and doesn't handle ADP at all, for example)

[ornate blade]

Why. WHy. Why is ansible such a shitshow lol.

I just wanna make a lousy VM with it.

And yet out of the box it cannot seem to handle finding the correct python interpreter.

[ornate blade]

Finally got it to work. Sorta.

Networking error turns out is the final boss of blockers.

[crystal field]

yeah, the ansible and python situation is a real shitshow

[ornate blade]

I get the idea that you can run everything in a specific user context. But in that case they should just ask the user how they want to deploy Ansible.

Instead of assuming based off of installation method.

If I wanna deploy it to local host give me my /etc/ansible and point to the correct interpreter.

[worn spoke]

Hi Team, if anyone hear about remote support jobs, I am urgently looking for work.

[sterile verge]

Jailbreak AI yet?

[sterile verge]

A couple of places have work like this.

What are your needs?

[worn spoke]

Seniir support role, level 3 support etc. SAN / NAS = CIFS and NFS. General maintenance, upgrades etc.

[acoustic condor]

I'm aiming for NS0-528 NetApp Certified implementation engineer data protection certification. Can someone share the relevant material to prepare for the exam?

[twilit aurora]

hii

[craggy moth]

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone is so in love with it.
If you want to do something REALLY simple, it is very easy and works really well.
But, as soon as you have to start applying complex logic to it, it is just unintuitive and unwieldy, IMO.
I guess it's what everyone is using though, so gotta roll with it.

[fast needle]

Python FTW IMO.

[patent gust]

Curious if coding assistants like Amazon Q Developer or Co-pilot do well with Ansible. I use Q Developer with Terraform and it does a pretty decent job.

[ornate blade]

Maybe ill just have to like... start writing vCenter automation in python.

[crystal field]

I do vCenter and ONTAP automation in PowerShell. Works nicely 👍

[ornate blade]

I use powershell too, my problem is I need a convenient way to deploy VMs from template in bulk, all of which are unique.

Ansible seems like the way to go for this. :V

[crystal field]

You can do that with PowerShell. It's amazing how much you can do if you just dig deep enough in the API. For example I have written some functions to send keyboard presses to a running VM during the bootloader (when no OS or VM integration is running) by crafting USB packets with the keypresses and sending that to the VM. Reconfiguring VMs is also possible, add a dozen more SCSI disks on 3 controllers and two new NICs? no problem (but a bit convoluted though).

as soon as the OS is running you can use whatever is convenient of course (e.g. ansible for Linux, PowerShell for Windows)

[ornate blade]

I do do it with powershell right now, but my scripts are a bit crude and use an xml file to supply the bulk VMs. Im sure there is a more elegant way to do it in powershell, but I am wrapping my head around ansible.

Cause I can use Ansible to configure VMs in bulk after.

[ornate blade]

I figured out ansible.

Still very basic but I've gotten my playbook to work.

And deployed bulk vms from template.

Im going to bed now cause I am way past my bedtime. But I just had to get my "Eureka!" Moment out of my system.

[crystal field]

every time I try to get more "into" Ansible I keep hitting roadblocks like ansible not picking the right python interpreter or whatever

[merry kraken]

Anyone messing with googles notebook LM? Pretty neat

https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/0ee174bb-7a9d-4bd9-8839-d7e8f896014f/audio

You can feed it a document and get a podcast like summary

That’s Ontap 9 release notes

[hidden girder]

Jay, you going to Insight this year?

[untold siren]

I want something like this that I can push my 25+ years worth of email into and do things like search attachments to emails and look for conversations. I'd want to run that model locally.

[merry kraken]

That would be a good use case

[patent gust]

You don't need to build/train a model for this. A basic RAG architecture would work. You could even use Ollama and run it all locally.... ton of blog posts out there on how to do this. Here's one: https://medium.com/@imabhi1216/implementing-rag-using-langchain-and-ollama-93bdf4a9027c

[merry kraken]

Sweet

[ornate blade]

Ive done it!

I finally comprehend Ansible!

https://tenor.com/view/nunchuck-ascend-minions-nun-heaven-gif-27278959

[ornate blade]

The solution to this is to install on a clean VM and make sure that only the correct python interpreter is available to use.

Its also possible to specify the python interpreter in your playbook.

[untold siren]

I'm not an Ansible head, but isn't this exactly what python virtual environments are for?

[crystal field]

in theory yes but Ansible goes out of its way to try and use a "system python" interpreter

[merry kraken]

I only use ansible to configure my RHEL boxes. The only thing it ever breaks is when solid core goes nuts once a week

[robust saddle]

Who is in charge of designing the cable management trays? The A800s had the hook side out on the Velcro to scratch up your hands, and the A90 has super narrow gaps and sharp bits of metal to slice up your hands. Fortunately I keep some bandaids in my kit.

[mild hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/rimshot-pun-joke-ba-dum-tss-drum-gif-15808941

[crystal field]

I love this GIF ❤️

[mild hazel]

Critical prod for 20 years.

[burnt python]

Anyone heard anything about TechONTAP Podcast? Seems as if it is withering and dying on the vine. I for one appreciated it, because it wasn't a 'white paper', it was real meat and potatoes. Hope it is still active

[fresh helm]

@bold river ^ 😎

[bold river]

Yep still active. Rebooting it as video + audio. Recording one today in fact! @burnt python

[burnt python]

Cool, can't wait.

[dry herald]

I literally put this model of switch in the roof space of my mum’s house 20 years ago.. it’s probably still there 😅

[ornate blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/908367640869896232/1389719258325450864/image.png?ex=6865a46a&is=686452ea&hm=b5399e03fd0f3eac636684c385315500e270579dc5cb0469b49650de5765c136&

[vital thistle]

Linux as root goes Wroom 😄

[ornate blade]

<Insert root soyjack linux meme here>

[fresh helm]

Well, its Prime Day. What deals on real things have y'all found?

[craggy moth]

Do any of you smart people out there know anything about TVs? I was having issues with my six year old Samsung TV (I couldn't log into my Samsung account and therefore, couldn't download any apps), so I thought I would try resetting it to factory defaults. Now, it is stuck on step 3 of the setup process, and nothing I do will unstick it. I've even tried pulling the plug for a half hour, and when I turn it on, it comes right back to this.

Samsung support had me try a bunch of stuff, and finally said I need to schedule a service call (for hundreds of $$$), or buy a new TV. But, before I toss this thing into the electronics recycling, I thought I'd see if anyone out there had any ideas I could try? At this point, I can't make it any worse, so I'm willing to experiment!

[fresh helm]

+1 for Grogu
I would think killing the power for 30 minutes would be enough for it to reset. Is there any "hold the power button for X seconds" type option for a reset?

[craggy moth]

Yeah, I tried that. It shuts down, and you get the Samsung splash screen when it comes up, then it goes right back to this screen.

Btw, I will NEVER buy another Samsung product. Everything (including appliances) that I have bought from them are garbage.

[fresh helm]

That really sucks! fwiw, I love my LG C4 OLED

[craggy moth]

I appreciate that, @fresh helm, because I am apparently in the market for a new TV! 😠

[mild hazel]

I’ll second the LG C4. Great TV.

[untold siren]

Can you pick an HDMI input? Slap a firestick on it. You don't run a network based adblocker (Pi-Hole) by chance do you?

[craggy moth]

I have a Firestick, and I can try that, but it won't even let me change the input. I tried just flipping over to my DVD player, but it won't do anything.
And no, no adblocker.

[turbid hornet]

1. Turn TV on.
2. Press and hold the TV power key on the tv for 5 seconds.
3. Then press and hold the power button on the remote control for 5 seconds.
4. Wait for about 30 seconds to a minute and TV will power cycle and show the Samsung logo.
5. Wait until the TV turns back on. It will be in reset mode.
6. Follow the steps to complete initial setup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheFrame/s/Z52KOulzfu

There are other suggestions like pressing mute+1+8+2, etc. Check the comments over there.

Simply google "samsung smart tv stuck on step 3" - you will find many guides.

[craggy moth]

Wow, thanks, @turbid hornet, that actually worked! I tried that before when I was on with Samsung support, and it didn’t do anything. I actually had to do it like five times, and it finally worked… not sure what I did different, but it finally reset! You just saved me $500 -$1000! Thanks!!!

[turbid hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-welcome-gif-25058970

[fresh helm]

TV was feeling intimidated. It knew you were going to replace it and decided to act right.

[ornate blade]

Ive had good success with my Roku smart TV.

[fresh helm]

Crypto spammer got the boot. Carry on.

[fast needle]

The new “Bezel Wall” at NetApp HQ, featuring 30 years of bezels!

[crystal field]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-beautiful-sam-a-cinderella-story-cry-sad-gif-4086910730976791773

[sweet wadi]

hey folks

[fresh helm]

What's up?

[hidden girder]

BEZELS

[fresh helm]

Let's see 'em

[hidden girder]

i need more

and maybe to 3d print some mounting brackets for them

unless ya'll sell that at the bezelmart

[sweet wadi]

Good day, everyone 👋

[fresh helm]

Tell us about yourself

[sweet wadi]

I am ai automation developer (python, scraping etc)

[turbid hornet]

yay!

[iron solar]

Hello @fresh helm

[fresh helm]

Hey Damian. Pop down to either #╭・open-source or one of the discussion channels.

[hidden girder]

Stolen from NetApp:

[fresh helm]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOhCLCcCMNp/

netapp

Are we wrong? 👀

Instagram

[fresh helm]

Got to spend some time with the bees at our RTP campus this afternoon 🐝

[fast needle]

The view of tonight’s launch from Las Vegas

[honest frigate]

is that spacex?

[fresh helm]

Yep: https://www.spacex.com/launches/sl-11-20

[severe citrus]

Hahaha NetApp logo showed up on r/whatisit yesterday 😆

https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisit/s/FMDX9t0p7U

[pale moss]

The guy who made the one touch stickers for the cards commented.

[fresh helm]

I found 3 of them in the floor of the expo hall after close

[hidden girder]

That quote from office space about flair and me looking at my 36 lanyard pins.

[mild hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/flair-office-space-we-need-to-talk-about-your-flair-gif-16786213

[fast needle]

Happy Halloween! Stay safe out there!

[mild hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-ship-pirates-of-the-caribbean-johnny-depp-jack-sparrow-rum-gif-12107961

[fast needle]

Because I drank it all.

[eager heart]

Anyone from the Minnesota Twin Cities area around here? I'm trying to figure out if I just fell out of the loop, but we used to have local Tech OnTap's and I haven't heard of one in a long time. Alot of them went on at Surly Brewing. Would be nice to have a local user group presence again.

[patent marten]

Hey hey! I'm a local NetApp SE here in the Twin Cities. We definitely are still putting on local user groups, and the more the merrier. If you wanted to send me an email I can make sure you're included in future invitations.

[eager heart]

Thanks Joel! I sent you my email!

[dry herald]

Ahh the twin cities of Buda and Pest? 😉

(I get it, MSP 😉

[signal phoenix]

I wonder if I still have this burried somewhere besides just this photo lol

[fresh helm]

That would be the real find!

[fast needle]

I think I got my first in 07 or 08, and I’m pretty sure I just tossed it LOL

Patrick Rearden (still around) was my instructor for the week-long class

[mild hazel]

I had him for my first ontap class as well.

[signal phoenix]

I took mine not in Denver but instead in Reston, VA.

[fresh helm]

Happy New Year from the East Coast, y’all! 🥳

[subtle rover]

Happy New Year from the West Coast 🎉 🎇

[mild hazel]

Guess I missed the "Happy New Years" from the Midwest part!

[woeful mulch]

Hi everyone, and Happy New Year!
I’m reaching out to ask for your advice on preparing for the NCSIE exam. Is there a recommended learning path or set of resources I should follow? I haven’t been able to find one so far, so any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help!

[mild hazel]

That one is really geared towards understanding the best practices when it comes to new installs, node adds, capacity adds as well as what tools are at the PS persons disposal. (i.e. config advisor).

[woeful mulch]

Thanks a lot for the explanation! I actually wanted to check whether anyone had some practical advice on how to study for the certification itself, because I haven’t been able to find any dedicated courses on the NetApp website. Any suggestions on useful resources or study approaches would be really appreciated, thank you!

[turbid hornet]

The recommended training according to Fast Lane is this: https://www.flane.co.uk/course/netapp-ontap9adm

But if you have installed a bunch of clusters already you should be good to go. These are not too difficult imo.

[woeful mulch]

Thank you! But if I'm not wrong I think this is the course for the NCDA that I've already got

[turbid hornet]

Ah right, I've misread it since it was mentioned here: https://www.flane.co.uk/certification/ncsie

[woeful mulch]

No worries thank you so much!
If anyone else has any advice or information please let me know, thank you very much!

[fresh helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkNGp2WLxS8

[mild hazel]

thought they were Pika's at first.

[dry herald]

Bezels!1!!

[past kayak]

No antiquities in there
700 series
The OG f300 rack mounted series

None of the “killer” bezels (made from metal)

[mild hazel]

The rare and mysrtrious HCI bezzels are there though!

[fast needle]

I spy some SolidFire kit in there

[dry herald]

Was SF big in Japan?

[burnt python]

@tmac, you there sir?

[fast needle]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/03/fcc-lets-charter-buy-cox-says-no-reason-to-worry-about-higher-internet-prices/

[crystal field]

reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Scrubs:
"I like Cox" -Jordan Sullivan

[fast needle]

We're gonna end up doing "Baby Bells 2.0" again here soon

[slow anvil]

So, accepted an internal role as a Senior DevOps Engineer on a team that actually does lots of NetApp work - so I guess I'll be hanging out here more 😛

@green spade

Speaking of! LOL 😛

We have an official Intel discord FYI

https://discord.gg/intel

[fast needle]

Woohoo!

You forgot a slash but happy to support our friends at Intel!

https://discord.gg/intel

[slow anvil]

Hehe, thanks!

[fair compass]

Can anyone remember which filer models had all metal bezels? I think I remember the FAS960 but not sure, and there might have been some before that with a slidable front (to hide the floppy drive) 😉 and wasn't there a painted black one as well ? Is there a NetApp museum somewhere? 😉

[fresh helm]

Did someone say bezel!?

[fair compass]

Oh yeah 🙂

[fresh helm]

I'd bet some of the <@&855106524666003456> can answer this without much effort

[noble python]

FAS9x0 at least, the Blue FAS7x0 (Alpha based CPU iirc) was plastic and the later FAS6070 too

R100 was based on FAS8xx and plastic, Not Sure about original FAS8xx

And yes, you're right, @fair compass ... The black ones were Backup systems... R200 was Metal? Not Sure...

[fair compass]

But what about the one with the sliding front, which was also metal as far as I remember... I also recall the F720 which I installed quite a few of back in the time 🙂

[mild hazel]

9x0

https://tenor.com/view/cylon-battlestar-galactica-looking-around-scan-gif-9153290

[fair compass]

I love it 🙂 Personally I prefer metal over the new lights... and also metal in my playlist 😉

[slim fable]

I'm not sure if it qualifies as a museum but NetApp HQ in San Jose has a sweet wall of bezels. 🙂

[fair compass]

It's a bit of a travel from Denmark... 🙂

[mild hazel]

I'd much rather be in Denmark than San Jose. I love your country.

[fair compass]

because of the "orange" thing? I guess? 😉

[mild hazel]

lol

more the food and people

[fair compass]

Worked with NetApp for 25-30 years now and have never been to NetApp HQ 😉 I was on training close to it at Violin Memory back when that was hot 😉

...been to all the Insights in Europe... but never in the US.. .I cannot stand FakeVegas 😉

Found this image...

2nd row from the top all the way to the right... what is that model? 😉

also... I seem to remember there was a Dell OEM model at some point, but cannot rememer if it had a bezel at all? (F85 / F87) ?

[fresh helm]

Oh look, it's that @fast needle guy

[fast needle]

<A wild DatacenterDude appears>

[fair compass]

Did you happen to take some closeups of that wall, so we can see the models names? 😉

[fast needle]

No but I might know someone who knows someone…

[past kayak]

I remember when the changed the f960 (or was it the 980 or all of them?) bezel mid production from that cast metal one to just burnt orange plastic

Does anyone here but me know “why” the old 800 series had the colors they do?
F810 black
F820 green
F840 blue
F880 yellow?

I am just daring someone to date themselves...I know

[mild hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

this one fell off all the damn time

DE460 bezzel

IIRC

[fair compass]

Ahhh E-Series... I remember back before NetApp aquired them... We actually installed systems from LSI Logic which I think were the original vendors? StorageTek then bought them.. or did they just OEM it? Funny thing is that SANtricity was also the management software name back then 😉 I feel just as old as Ape Simpson now 😉

[crystal field]

aren't some of those NetCaches or something?

[past kayak]

Nope. Those were the line of filers back in the day. I think they ran Network Appliance Releases 4.x (before it was called ONTAP)

Here’s a clue

Guy Harris’ wife used to work at NetApp. She was involved.

[fair compass]

F630 i think? very hard to find...

[crystal field]

Hm okay.. but which bezels are the NetCaches then? I've never seen one (but I do have two or three NetCache OS releases .. 5.3 or somethign IIRC)

there were also the StoreVault (I think?) appliances (S550 or something like that) but those didn't have a bezel at all... and the disk carriers felt terribly brittle and fragile

they ran a stripped-down version of ONTAP 7G

[past kayak]

I never touched a NetCache in my ten years at NetApp

[crystal field]

StorVault... yeah those weree very short-lived

I should try and get some of the older ONTAP releases or NetCache to run on an emulator....

[past kayak]

No replies? No guesses?

[noble python]

We Had one single 1U netcache system, but I have to think about the model number

[scenic crest]

To make them stand out from the competition?

[past kayak]

Guy Harris’ wife was something!

Black = soil
Green = grass
Blue = Sky
Yellow = Sun

From her mouth to my ears in her cube at corporate hq back in the day

[scenic crest]

That's awesome! Had I known that at the time, I would have called our F810 "dirt." That would have undoubtedly upset some people. . .

[crystal field]

I still don't quite understand why those colors. "Sun" I kinda get, because Sun was a competitor at the time. But what's the meaning behind soil, grass and sky?

[past kayak]

The color of X correlate to the color of the bezel
Black = soil (dirt is generally considered black)
Grass is green
The sky is blue
The Sun is yellow

She had this earth theme thing going on

[crystal field]

yes, okay, I understand that, I was more asking for the reason I guess. I mean was it just like the iMac that they wanted to put out different colors for fun? Or was there a reason behind it? Or were they tied to specific hardware configs? (single system = black, ha = blue, gateway filer = green, whatever)?

or could you just order the bezel in the color you wanted?

[past kayak]

It was a “her” thing. She was into the earth. The theme was earth. I think you’re trying to make it more complicated than it was

[crystal field]

ah okay, yeah, so it's just a nice gimmick then. I thought there was some reason behind it (like todays bezels show what model it is etc.)

I think multiple color options for bezels would be pretty cool. But then again, I guess today you can just skin them with vinyl or something for cheap, so it's not that big of a deal anymore

[robust saddle]

Bring back the chrome. The marbled look of the current bezels just looks dirty in the typical poorly lit DC.

[crystal field]

yeah, the chrome bezel was cool. But it just screams 80s too much... it'll be a few more years until that trend comes back around I guess

[robust saddle]

even the brushed aluminum bezels were better than the dirty pillars

[fast needle]

Respectfully, I'd rather not pre-dress the AI's gear up in chrome.

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-16625083

[verbal falcon]

Is there channel(s) in here discussing NetApp AI Data Engine (AIDE)?

[mild hazel]

I'd think either #╭・artificial-intelligence or maybe treat it like a part of hardware and post in #1062049107096633454

[fading tartan]

I might be the droid you're looking for, VitaminK. 🙂

[fast needle]

@here I wanted to take a moment and say my farewells to all of you that are part of this NetApp community Drew and I have built over the years. A crazy fever-dream of an idea, born out of Stockholm Syndrome being cooped up during COVID lockdown. You all have shown up and made this house a home for partners, practitioners, and employees around the globe.

I wanted to take the opportunity to say THANK YOU before I posted anything else publicly...

But today is my last day at NetApp.

If you'd like to come hang in a non-NetApp technical discord community, I'd love to have you over in my DatacenterDude community of several hundred industry professionals from all walks of life.

But I leave you in the hands of the very capable NetApp Community Manager, @fresh helm.

Howell, OUT.

https://discord.gg/DatacenterDude

[stark swan]

Where ya off to Nick?

[fast needle]

The unemployment line?

[unborn tartan]

sorry to hear man... i just heard from some folks on my account team that were imapcted 🙁

[crystal field]

oh no that is some sad news indeed

[vagrant nacelle]

We will miss you, buddy. I’ll follow you on the other systems to see you succeeding. I subscribed already to learn from you. Thanks, Tom

[fading tartan]

BT you, Cass, & Mekka. I'm pissed off. Genuinely angry.

Love ya, Nick, holla if you need anything. ❤️

[turbid hornet]

Oh wow can't believe they let you go... 😱 Everything what you created here, all the NetApp ONAIR sessions on YouTube...

You and Drew basically have been the face of the community 😢

Really sad news, wishing you all the best, Nick!

[exotic fractal]

@fast needle Known you long time.... still do but now context changes. Next time I am in Vegas will hit you up, I appreciate your support, friendship, conversations. Using present tense as none of that (what matters) changes.

[mild hazel]

People like Nick help people love NetApp more. Sorry to hear, Nick.

[edgy zinc]

ello 🙂

[fresh helm]

hi

[fast needle]

Have a look around, tell us what you think, if anything looks outta whack

This is meant to be an extension of community, not yet another employee destination. So we want it to be engaging and fun, not “work related”

[edgy zinc]

i posted in #855095797208580138

[fast needle]

@edgy zinc added you to A-team so you could see that

[tardy minnow]

What up everyone 🙂

[edgy zinc]

you can't sit with us @tardy minnow :-p

[fresh helm]

😆

He’s just here to chat. Maybe he misses us all

[severe citrus]

Well hello everyone.

[tardy minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-baby-frown-cry-tantrums-gif-4649018

[severe citrus]

@fast needle the intro and eula on mobile worked great.

May I make a suggestion?
BOLD and SEPARATE the “this is publicly searchable”

This isn’t a private system.

[fast needle]

Gonna dress it up with some graphics this afternoon

[severe citrus]

And you should probably list somewhere “dont share customer names etc…”
I read through it, really!, but didn’t see it mentioned.

Just to make the lawyers happy 😅

[fast needle]

Good suggestions. We basically copypasta’ed what Drew had approved for the communities

[severe citrus]

Ah, then @fresh helm should update his too hahaha

I only thought of it because on mobile it is a bit hard to remember what Discord you might be in.
Especially as I went from #┊・just-chatting OJ to #┊・just-chatting NetApp…and all the same people were here hahaha

[edgy zinc]

@tardy minnow just kidding..on wed we wear pink

[fast needle]

OJ is lucky to have what it has. This could have 10k people in it overnight once we make it known

You guys are the special ones dealing with the crossover

[drowsy otter]

Yo, Yo folks!!

[fresh helm]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-hi-ya-pal-surprise-your-worst-enemy-look-whose-here-gif-15171453

[hearty perch]

https://tenor.com/view/die-hard-john-mc-clane-welcome-to-the-party-pal-glass-break-gif-15466663

[severe citrus]

Oh I understand completely, though the point still stands. It’s just how I ended up thinking of it 😆

[lone sphinx]

what's this?

[fast needle]

Morning! We’re setting up a NetApp discord to compliment the communities and inviting certain folks in for a sneak peek and to test

[lone sphinx]

😄 I was joking Nick

would be sweet if discord replaces all slack.....

[fresh helm]

I think we’re going to be gunning for The Pub

[hearty perch]

I detest Slack

The overhead is just way too high

[crimson robin]

https://tenor.com/view/meerkat-hide-hello-peek-a-boo-peek-gif-7988957

[fresh helm]

Welcome @crimson robin

[crimson robin]

Yo

Another Discord channel I will forget I am a member of 🤦‍♂️

At least I actually know everyone in here

[fresh helm]

Hopefully, in time, that changes 😆

Glad you're here though. Poke around and let us know if you have any ideas or feedback on the layout of things

[crimson robin]

I just get overloaded with channels/clients. We should all go back to 1995 and just have usenet and irc

👴

[fresh helm]

@fast needle you want to set up the official NetApp IRC too? haha

[crimson robin]

lol

There was an active IRC ran by the Toasters guys last time I checked

that was a few years ago now

[fast needle]

The hope is that this doesn't just end up being another netapp employee echo chamber

[crimson robin]

yeh, that's the challenge with all of these things I guess

[cyan grotto]

D'hoy hoy peeps!

https://giphy.com/gifs/season-8-the-simpsons-8x7-3o6MblJUDT8aVsQkda

[fast needle]

We're working on getting things "verified" with checkmarks before announcing it to the world. Hopefully bringing in more NetApp customers and enthusiasts than employees.

Welcome aboard in the meantime!

[full echo]

This is Allen Johnson 🙂

[fast needle]

Hey Allen, welcome! Looks like you're on here twice

[full echo]

Yeah... need to kick the other Allen 🙂 cant see where I am still logged in at

[fresh helm]

Hey Allen! I kicked the account. If you log in again from another location and get the "welcome" message, you'll know

[full echo]

Thanks Drew!!

[fast needle]

Welcome @gilded marlin and @spiral valley! Thanks for joining us!

[mild hazel]

How does one get added to the A-Team list?

[fast needle]

Just like that! 🙂

Welcome!

[mild hazel]

w00t

[gilded marlin]

Which bot is "Elio" ?

[fast needle]

Mee6

If any of you see anything missing, please let know. Suggestions welcome in the #╰・help-with-discord!

If any of joining are employees or A-team members, please let us know so we can get you assigned to the appropriate roles/badges!

[quartz cedar]

Hey there not sure what happened but I may be on here twice as well, looking at #855080339118096405, lemme know if i can fix it!

[fast needle]

@quartz cedar What's your other account name? We can kick it and if you ever go to log in, you'll know 🙂

Welcome /r/NetApp redditors! Glad to see you all jumping in! Things are a bit barren right now, but we're looking at you to help us shape things and begin to fill out the channels before we open the floodgates! Let us know if there's anything you'd like to see added, or if you're an employee/a-team member! You can also change your display name (per discord server) by right-clicking on your name on the right and choosing "Change Nickname"

[quartz cedar]

hey! sorry I didn't get a ding, it would be another mikewithabike, if you see another that isn't me then definitely kick it!

[fast needle]

Duplicate found and kicked!

[quartz cedar]

awesome thank you! Also something that might be fun to have is a NetApp partner tag for people who work on netapp but through a partner like myself 😄

[fast needle]

I'd love that, great idea! We'll definitely throw that into the suggestions box!

[fresh helm]

Once we find find a reliable and simple way to authenticate Discord user accounts as one belonging to a partner, then we’ll be on it!

[pale moss]

what about employee SE's? What that just fall under staff?

[fast needle]

Yup! We have no other way of knowing. It's more vanity than access to anything. We don't want this to be yet-another-blackhole that employees end up in, but more for community. So the color and role is more so that people know they're talking to a NetApp employee.

[quartz cedar]

Yea it would more likely be a pain for mods of the community to go through every person with partner stuff. If it does happen though let me know! Haha

[fast needle]

There are some integrations we're exploring but it requires relaying email validation tokens back to a bot to elevate a role. Which .... doesn't seem worth it. Just DM us for now and let us know 🙂

[mild hazel]

What about ATeam tech advisors? 🙂

[blazing pond]

Hello!

I would love to see a 'Cloud' category with sub channels for each hyper-scaler... @fast needle can you make that happen?

And where do we select our roles?

[fresh helm]

For now, let’s see how things go without being broken out. It’s easy to build overwhelming “clutter.” If conversation gets a bit heavy in a particular area of cloud topics, it will be something to review. General rule of community management is to start general and add specifics as needed.

And I just added the A-Team role for you @blazing pond

[blazing pond]

automation gets ansible/terraform and trident

but cloud is just "cloud"

alright

I'll stand down on this for now

even though you are wrong

[fresh helm]

🤘🏻 for the boost! Nick is working on the Discord verification piece too

[blazing pond]

boost should get me hyperscaler rooms

😉

first boost!

[fresh helm]

Haha. The automation bit might be a bit much too. That was mimicked from The Pub, iirc

[blazing pond]

what about NetApp Staff

[fresh helm]

Nick has veto power here

[blazing pond]

how do I get that?

[fresh helm]

Done

[mild hazel]

Luce is netapp staff

[blazing pond]

like pulling teeth around here 😛

[hearty perch]

Lol

[mild hazel]

we need a Tech Advisor like in the community

[hearty perch]

Flair is something to work on, but we would like it to be relatively simple, Discord is still new to many people

[mild hazel]

i need to figure out notifications.

i keep missing shit

[fast needle]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-shay-nope-nah-nuhuh-gif-12298561

[fast needle]

Save 'em. We're working on getting a verified server, which should unlock all that stuff anyway.

[subtle rover]

Finally, a discord.

[dry herald]

@ripe agate is one of our partner geniuses from here in Perth. Answers stuff in reddit sometimes. say hi folks!

[ripe agate]

Hello!

👋

[dry herald]

Yes to both employee and Ateam. Badge me up laddo

[ripe agate]

I’m most definitely B-Team

[old token]

What's everyone's go to for file migration and sync?

[hearty perch]

In what context? Home or enterprise? NFS/SMB? A little more detail will be useful.

[old token]

Just in general

Right now I'm using Beyond Compare to sync my One Drive to my home NAS

And the thought popped in my head

[hearty perch]

In work settings I mostly use XCP and StorageX (by Data Dynamics), depends on the sort of project I have at the time.

For personal stuff, Rsync/Robocopy/Rclone are still my go to tools.

[old token]

I've been meaning to check out rclone as a means to make a third copy out to object

[fast needle]

Sounds like a great conversation for #┊・storage 👍

[subtle rover]

Can you hit me with the staff role?

[fast needle]

Sure. Who are you? 🙂

[mild hazel]

probably Sean Hatfield going by the username.

[fast needle]

@subtle rover ?

[subtle rover]

Thats me

[blazing hill]

If you’re passing staff roles out I’ll take on too 😝 new SE on the Chesapeake district.

[subtle rover]

Nick's gonna wish he could offload roles to a bot

[blazing hill]

Lol

[fast needle]

Done and Done. We're requiring that any NetApp Staff not use obscure handles and use their real names or established personal brand handles tied to existing entities that are easily identifiable. The "nickname" is specific to individual Discord servers and won't affect your display name on other servers you're a member of.

[blazing hill]

Yeah nickname is fine. Not gonna change it for everything for sure. I shared the discord link to my district and everybody is like wtf is discord.

[fast needle]

That's 90% of what I expect

When I was doing the NetApp Communities Podcast, before it was Tech ONTAP, I was describing what a podcast was to our internal digital comms team, and why it mattered that we had a successful one.

So....I don't expect everyone to "get it" but those that do will appreciate and use it. At the end of the day, this isn't for us, it's for the end user community.

[dry herald]

shall we share it with united on slack?

[fast needle]

no we're not doing wide distribution just yet

[dry herald]

Only the 2900 on reddit? 😉

[fast needle]

Yes. It was my hope that more users came than employees.

[subtle rover]

Give it time. The ‘WTF is Discord’ thing will keep the employee numbers down.