below-zero-chat

[carmine bobcat]

can't even trigger the intro?

[eternal garnet]

Start a new game for EA 8.1.

[carmine bobcat]

wait

what

[eternal garnet]

You may keep your newer game, no issues. It will work once you go back to a recent version

[carmine bobcat]

how do i skip the intro in early access

[eternal garnet]

if possible, hold Esc

[carmine bobcat]

got it

[eternal garnet]

are you in zero base? you should be

[carmine bobcat]

yeah

i see a prawn suit

outside

also the pda is the subnautica one

i just destroyed a snowman?

[eternal garnet]

that's in current game too

and so is Zero. In a sad state

[carmine bobcat]

can't even see a goddamn thing

[eternal garnet]

if you want, cheat code fog

no wait, weather. not fog

[carmine bobcat]

now how do i start

[carmine bobcat]

how do i start

[eternal garnet]

start? commands? F3, F8, "disable console", F8, F3, Enter

[carmine bobcat]

i did that

[eternal garnet]

start what? just play

[carmine bobcat]

i did story skipintro as commands

[eternal garnet]

butwhy

Thought you wanted to play it

[carmine bobcat]

no

that just skips the intro

also cyclops?

[eternal garnet]

I think it's gone, but try "sub cyclops"

[carmine bobcat]

go to the old story and do unlockall

[eternal garnet]

you may need an older EA for cyclops

[bold monolith]

The intro isn't something you want to skip in the old story.

Unless you already know what happens there.

[eternal garnet]

nope

I've no clue what you want here jackson

[snow viper]

how do you drop items again i swear it was right click or q

[bold monolith]

As for the Cyclops, it wasn't buildable even in EA1.

[carmine bobcat]

what wait

[snow viper]

i swear im not going mad right

its not letting me drop anything

also why do i have dolomite!?!??!?!?!

[eternal garnet]

depends where you are. Are you outside?

[snow viper]

no

[eternal garnet]

you drop outside. There is no dolomite.

[snow viper]

bruh it says DolomiteOld

theres no picture for it

i dont use admin commands

wait

why is there rumbling

HELP

[carmine bobcat]

seatruck has a rear camera?

[eternal garnet]

yeah it was a performance problem, so removed

[snow viper]

guys what is the rhino worm called

i just died to it

[carmine bobcat]

ice worm LOL

[eternal garnet]

rhino?

[snow viper]

oh

[carmine bobcat]

how'd you die

[snow viper]

it ate me while i was running on the iceberg thing

[carmine bobcat]

HAHAH

uh

dont run/dont use a prawn

[eternal garnet]

the 4 legged thing is a snow stalker

[carmine bobcat]

and the blazing hot beak worm is the ice worm

best leviathan ever imo

i need metal salvage to repair the signal tower to the vesper

[eternal garnet]

it's been a while, but I think in the wrecks

[carmine bobcat]

metal salvage is all around the part of mercury 2 in the purple vents

[fallen trellis]

Finally made a prawn suit woo

[carmine bobcat]

of you go down from delta you will prob find it

[eternal garnet]

well, salvage is different in EA

[fallen trellis]

Now I just need to find the cart

[carmine bobcat]

nice!

ohhh right

https://tenor.com/view/subnautica-death-reaper-reaper-leviathan-alien-gif-17048403

[fallen trellis]

I had to build a really awkward platform since when I built my moon pool it’s off a twisty cliff that leads deep enough for diamond.

[carmine bobcat]

it says i need ship wreck salvage?

[bold monolith]

The PPU fragments in stable.

[carmine bobcat]

yeah

[bold monolith]

There is no TOM.

[carmine bobcat]

i'm playing the old story final

[bold monolith]

I know.

I'm answering to your question.

[hard solstice]

The early access thing on the game is a bug?

[bold monolith]

Yes.

[hard solstice]

Does it have any problems with previous saves?

[bold monolith]

You should be fine, it's the right version the fix to remove the early access warning / watermark wasn't not merged and that's all.

[carmine bobcat]

how do i spawn the item needed to repair the radio towr

[eternal garnet]

dunno. try nocost on the radio tower

[carmine bobcat]

nope

[eternal garnet]

turn it off again

[carmine bobcat]

i did

[bold monolith]

8038 & 8039.

[carmine bobcat]

?

[eternal garnet]

item 8038 ?

[carmine bobcat]

says couldn't find it

[bold monolith]

Maybe their id wasn't the same back then, try with the name.

[carmine bobcat]

nope

also i found out you can spawn marge and her prawn

[eternal garnet]

don't always use spawn. item puts things in inventory, and some things can't be spawned

[carmine bobcat]

thanks

alright i fixed the tower

[eternal garnet]

A bug: if you leave and come back, the tower appears broken. Ignore that, it works

[carmine bobcat]

ok

um what

[eternal garnet]

it's early access, 6 months from release man

[carmine bobcat]

yeah but why

[eternal garnet]

oh. 14 months.

[carmine bobcat]

actually its the build for you to be able to experience the old story

[eternal garnet]

yes. 8.1 ?

[carmine bobcat]

yup 8.1

[eternal garnet]

Mar 2020. 14 months before launch

It's fully playable up to making the body. Then there's no more

There are other, cut storylines

you noticed a rocket?

[carmine bobcat]

yeah

what does the rocket do

[eternal garnet]

it spoils your story

[carmine bobcat]

why

[eternal garnet]

I mean, I won't

I'll just say it doesn't take people

[carmine bobcat]

reverse camera makes docking modules easy

also why does robin have (that)

[eternal garnet]

Ask your mom.

[glad hare]

DON'T

[fringe forge]

I think that’s just stomach. Humans, as primitive creatures, store energy in the form of fat as opposed to power cells.

[eternal garnet]

I think she stored 2 preston fruit for later

[fringe forge]

CW: anatomy. Safe for work, but…still. ||the Mons Pubis. The pubic mound. It’s a roll of fat just below the stomach and just above the fork of the legs. It also stores fat. In body studies for art class. When drawing a man it uuh. sags lower, but from the outside is really similar. Some afab people have larger ones than others, it’s kinda like the difference between some people having wide hips and some not, or some people having extra skin under their chins and some not. Humans are weird, and nobody is a wooden plank.||

[spice seal]

Why did they change the story?

I heard that people complained that it had too much talking in it or something but that doesn't really sound right

[worldly matrix]

Am I doing something wrong or do Antenna Fruit not plant exterior grow beds?

[vapid kestrel]

||Finally got to experience the Sam Story ending, much prefer it to the normal ending, much more closure this way||

[arctic holly]

You need antenna fruit seeds

[arctic holly]

I think this is part of it, I heard it and it seems reasonable: some people were complaining that it held your hand too much and told you where to go all the time, so it wasn’t really an exploration game anymore

[broken badge]

You don’t plant the “fruit” you can pick off the tops of the plants you slice the bases of them with knife & plant the seeds

[unique willow]

Where can I see the log for this new update?

[broken badge]

Is it the one for the language packs? That’s in #announcements

That’s all that was released afaik

[unique willow]

Dang. I thought they might have fixed some bugs

[broken badge]

They’re working on it. All the time

[spice seal]

But people still have that complaint about the game now, if that was the problem they didn't really fix it

[broken badge]

But you’ll never make everyone happy no matter what you do, I think it’s ok although no game is perfect. There are guides & such but it’s not like there are markers for everything (tho some stuff there are hints for, if you’re paying attention that is)

[spice seal]

You can dock modules onto the back to make it into kinda a mobile base

I don't really know what you mean by abilities unless you're asking about upgrades and what they do

[broken badge]

I mean the last one you get has a sort of “ability” I guess but I don’t want to spoil it since it’s unlocked a special way

Never used it myself anyway

[spice seal]

neither have I

[broken badge]

Storage, fabricator and docking module are the most useful ones imo

[spice seal]

those are the only ones I've ever used

[broken badge]

I’ve rarely used the sleeper just to try it out. Never used an aquarium module

[spice seal]

I was also thinking of crafting a sleeper just because I can

[broken badge]

I guess if you REALLY want music while driving the sleeper module is ok

[worldly matrix]

ty!

[broken badge]

Yw

[fallen trellis]

So um. I learned you can’t short hand fragments or you get kicked. 😕

[sick quartz]

Hi, how do I proceed with a question about the soundtrack on steam? Who do I contact and via what way?

[fringe forge]

Late to the convo but I use the aquarium module like a window so I don’t get jumpscared while not driving

[fallen trellis]

I haven’t gotten to the use of more than storage atm. Also since I can’t see the old convo of today. Anyone know where the docking cart fragments are ?

[sick quartz]

Ah, nevermind, finally learned to read.

[broken badge]

In the purple vents biome

[fallen trellis]

Deep or more shallows or both?

[broken badge]

What sort of question did you have and maybe I can see it gets to the right place

[broken badge]

Most of the ones I find are a bit deeper in some caves but there may be some around the surface as well, it’s more of “I happened to be in the caves” area when I found mine

So you not have the soundtrack for your Steam game?

[sick quartz]

I was going to ask about not getting the below zero soundtrack for free, but then finally managed to get it into my head you had to have original subnautica on steam, not below zero.

[fallen trellis]

Ahhh. I haven’t done too much in the pv caves yet. Mostly just Lilly pad and twisty caves

[sick quartz]

My subnautica is in Epic, not steam.

[broken badge]

Oh, yeah I don’t know much about how that works because I don’t play on PC😅

[broken badge]

Sounds like you figured it out tho

[sick quartz]

Yes.

[fallen trellis]

Nice

[sick quartz]

In my defence, just woke up. So reading comprehension isnt top level yet.

[knotty marten]

how do i enable console commands??? i have the f3 menu open but the check box is not there

[dusk heart]

should i spoil bz for myself?

[knotty marten]

no

[dusk heart]

someone sent me a picture of the ending

[knotty marten]

how do you enable console commands

@plain blade

[dusk heart]

i have decided to spoil below zero for myself

[finite phoenix]

why

[dusk heart]

i started losing interest in below zero and didnt think i was going to ne able to finish it

[knotty marten]

how do you enable CONSOLE COMMANDS

HELLO?

bruh....

00000000`0``

[crimson quartz]

Are you on switch?

If so i can tell you how.

[blazing zealot]

guys

my gf broke up w me, she was lesbian

[steady stump]

why do oxygen plants have to disapear the second you hear the "oxygen" warning

[crimson quartz]

They hate to be depleted with oxygen

[blazing zealot]

they run away

[unique willow]

Aughhhh. I gathered all the stuff to do the end game and got all the way down there and somehow forgot a gel sack

[bold monolith]

Shift + enter.

[crimson quartz]

Console commands not pc

Its L+R while in options if your on nintendo. Simultaneously

[bold monolith]

They are on PC though, in the screenshot they use the F3 menu and they have a GTX 1060.

[crimson quartz]

I said if.

[surreal tusk]

......

[surreal tusk]

f3

then hit the check box if its ur first time

and press enter

[gentle fjord]

hey guys

Im left with one more upgrade to fill here

[lime swallow]

it's the scanner room hud chip

[gentle fjord]

any idea what it could be

oh

i need a scanner room for that?

[lime swallow]

yes

only worth getting if you're actually gonna use the scanner room

[gentle fjord]

oh i see ok

[lime swallow]

which is the biggest energy drain

[gentle fjord]

anything else i can put in there

[crimson quartz]

Scanner rooms are useful tho

[lime swallow]

not that I'm aware of

[gentle fjord]

instead of scanner room hud chip

oh alright then

thanks

[lime swallow]

[shut nimbus]

Helloooo

Today I started bz :)

But I have a problem, where can I find gold??

[crimson quartz]

Koppa

Calaverite.

[eternal garnet]

in kelp root caves, holes going down in the starting area

Koppa mine too, but you haven't found that I think

[shut nimbus]

Whats koppa?

Kelp root is that biome where water monkeys make nests?

[eternal garnet]

yes

[shut nimbus]

Okay, thx

[eternal garnet]

look for yellow stones on the wall

scan it, it will say chance of gold

[shut nimbus]

I found them

[worldly matrix]

Is there an explanation for how ||Marguerit survived the Kharaa virus for ten years?||

[eternal garnet]

she argued with Death, and Death lost

[shut nimbus]

Is there any good place to find coral?

[eternal garnet]

table coral, twisty bridges 50+ depth, orange with pink lights, on the walls

[shut nimbus]

Thanks, so, in the walls of twisty bridges?

[eternal garnet]

yes

[crimson quartz]

Dang. || shes a mercenary. || probably went to sea emperor and got its enzyme.

[fallen trellis]

I built it only to find lead and gold

[charred sparrow]

how do I open it in an EA8 build? how do I get this build it's talking about?

[hexed prism]

yO

[eternal garnet]

you need steam. Steam game properties, enter a beta code: belowzeroearlyaccess
Then pick version EA 8.1

although your save is much older than EA8

[charred sparrow]

so should I open it in an even earlier version?

[eternal garnet]

It should work though, or pick EA4 or something

what version are you on?

[charred sparrow]

right now I'm on the latest version (whatever that is)

[eternal garnet]

well, you need a pre-Mar 2020 version

EA8 is Mar 2020

[charred sparrow]

but the save was made back when the below zero dlc was first released to the public. like officially released. basically with the first story line and stuff

[eternal garnet]

that's also in the list. EA1 maybe, I havent looked. But that version is pretty bad

EA8.1 should be compatible, try it

[charred sparrow]

it's not one of those experimental builds like I remember you could play on the more stable release builds and you could play on the experimental builds that was slightly ahead. mine is just the normal official from the day it was first opened for purchase

damn. I remember that day. I was so hyped and I bought below zero as soon as it was available in the steam store. I played it for hours. good times

how do I use the beta code exactly?

[eternal garnet]

no no.

belowzeroearlyaccess

it even tells you code invalid

[deep kettle]

The code is just belowzeroearlyaccess without the EA8 thing behind it yeah.

[charred sparrow]

I tried that

[eternal garnet]

I read back my comment about it, and the error is you

[charred sparrow]

wait... it didn't work before

oh maybe there was a space in my copy selection

but this is the only one I have access to and it says I need at least EA8

[eternal garnet]

you want EA8.1. If that doesn't work, I would try EA4. You want something near july 2019

[charred sparrow]

so... how do I get them?

[eternal garnet]

you just pick a version

[charred sparrow]

look in the image. EA9 is the only one showing up

[eternal garnet]

I dunno what you did wrong. My list

[charred sparrow]

oh

[eternal garnet]

I know: you cropped the hell out of your screencap. Why

[charred sparrow]

what? I didn't crop it?

that's a full screenshot. the other options wasn't available before

[eternal garnet]

Well, click top now

[charred sparrow]

they only seem to have become available after I put in the code

[eternal garnet]

yes... that's what the code does.

[charred sparrow]

yes if I click they're there now. before I only had the Experimental option

so I thought it wasn't what I needed

didn't know the code would activate them. I've never done this before

[eternal garnet]

yes. _No code gives you two, code gives you like 14

[charred sparrow]

btw this won't screw up any current saves, right?

[eternal garnet]

no it won't touch them... most likely

[charred sparrow]

cause I also got an updated save which I played after the dlc was fully complete and released

alright. hmm I guess I can take a backup just in case

[eternal garnet]

I have done this and my new save was preserved

it will download 2GB or so

[charred sparrow]

maybe I'd want to use EA1 since it was created on the release day when you could first buy it. but I do remember having to update while playing. I had a base in the ||lily pad biome|| that ended up floating because the update moved some terrain around

but alright I'll try EA4

[eternal garnet]

maybe. but EA1 is quite awful

[charred sparrow]

might be better

yea exactly. and I remember updating so it's not exactly EA1

although it would be fun playing on the original release haha

[eternal garnet]

like, EA1 has armor sharks and no crystal caves

[charred sparrow]

dude the version I played on didn't even really have a lily pad biome xD

[eternal garnet]

no arctic, just ice blocks

[charred sparrow]

there was just green moss everywhere

I don't remember if there was an arctic. I don't think so? but all the glaciers was look kinda blocky and plastic like

[crimson quartz]

Poor you

[charred sparrow]

honestly I didn't care. I still had a blast xD

but those were some tough days... when you barely had any water because bladder fish didn't spawn and there was no water filtration

I remember having to use the gravity sphere thing quite often to get enough fish to replenish my water

am I stupid? I selected EA4 and I tried to refresh by clicking the Check Code because nothing was showing and now it shows EA9?

I mean right as I click on EA4 it just shows nothing

[eternal garnet]

no, the top is what's active. I dunno what the blue thing is about. it's a button?

[charred sparrow]

oh wait so now it's active? I just need to restart?

[eternal garnet]

The top thing controls download, and when it's done you have EA4

Game was open?! lol

[charred sparrow]

oh yea. it's downloading now. just had to close the window xD

[charred sparrow]

yes cause I was trying to open my save only to see that EA8 message

[eternal garnet]

june 2019. that will prob. be what you had then

[charred sparrow]

yea either june or july

[eternal garnet]

Several newer versions will be able to load your save, but results may vary

[eternal garnet]

Some world stuff is stored in your save

So they are EA4

or EA3

[charred sparrow]

alright so I can see the save was created in may but I remember it being updated since. so june or july is probably pretty accurate

[eternal garnet]

Really neat steam feature this. Only available in steam

[charred sparrow]

that's what I want to see the most. how the world looks after all this time. it was changed after an update but it was still very much not finished. not even close to it

[charred sparrow]

yea I've never used it but I'm really glad it's there! I played the save on my old laptop that broke down so I wouldn't really have any other way to get that old version without this feature

[eternal garnet]

your disease is called nostalgia. I have it too

[surreal tusk]

....

well hello there

[charred sparrow]

only funny thing is that nostalgia is very young. not of some childhood experience. no no. the early days of below zero. when it had just been made available for the public to purchase

[charred sparrow]

general kenobi

[surreal tusk]

.......

i am so tired rn

[charred sparrow]

oof

question is how much story I'll be able to complete in this old version of below zero. I remember completing the main part of the story that was available at the time. where you had to get a sample of karrah and send it up to the main ship. but I don't think there was much else available. not without cheats

[eternal garnet]

to be sure it works, make a new save in ea8.1

Several hours of gameplay there

[clear wigeon]

subnautica is a good game

but i dont know how to play it

i just know the basic things

[next current]

Uhh, ask in #subnautica-chat.

[charred sparrow]

well, subnautica is a kind of open world survival game so the main objective is just to explore. and of course as a rule of thump, always try to go deeper. often in order to go deeper you need better stuff so you need to explore to find better stuff

[charred sparrow]

make sure what works? the save or the story? I mean I just pasted a copy of the save folder into my below zero saves folder so I can paste it in as many times I like

[eternal garnet]

scan all the things. Your purpose is to fill the world with beacons

[eternal garnet]

the story

story may break if it's from an old EA save

[charred sparrow]

ah. btw question. the EA4 version has downloaded but how do I play it?

like how do I choose a version?

[eternal garnet]

you just play. Your game files are altered

and to go back, pick beta = none

[next current]

I highly recommend making backups of your important save games.

[charred sparrow]

so it manages the version stuff on its own? making me able to play both new and old saves?

oh so now it's in beta version

[eternal garnet]

er, one at a time, yes

[next current]

Switching between EA versions and stable will likely cause your save to disappear.

[charred sparrow]

already did. the old save is in my cloud so if anything happens I can always download it again. and I copied my latest save to my desktop so that should be safe too

[next current]

Ahh, good. 👍

[charred sparrow]

wow. old below zero version. cool

ah damnit. still not enough

maybe I need an even older version? can't quite make out all the text

[eternal garnet]

so build 16309?

[charred sparrow]

wait it says it's newer? so I need a newer version

[eternal garnet]

older.

wait. no

[charred sparrow]

I downloaded EA4. maybe I need EA5? it does say I last played in July

[eternal garnet]

yes you need newer

[charred sparrow]

damn so even if I wanted to I couldn't even play it in an old version. but I guess I could always just download an old version and create a new save

[eternal garnet]

yes. You have the build number that you saved with now: 16309

and it's on screen

[charred sparrow]

it's kinda sad the original story was dropped. I was really into it. and I wanted to see it to the end but after I played the first release I wanted to wait for the full game and story to come out. but when I returned for the full release the story was completely changed. kinda unfortunate

I still enjoyed the new story. a lot. but I would still like to see the old story haha

[eternal garnet]

it's as complete as possible in 8.1. The last item is building the body

[charred sparrow]

good news! it works! it's loading right now. oh damn. the old loading screen. looks nice

[charred sparrow]

I'll definitely check that out as the next thing on my list!

[narrow mirage]

ok so i got all three ||al-an body fragments||

what i do now?

[charred sparrow]

omg... it's so old! I love it... I'm currently at the ||koppa mining site|| and it looks so old and kinda unrefined. it's so beautiful. to be brought back like this

[charred sparrow]

now, you go deeper. always try to go deeper in subnautica

[narrow mirage]

how much deeper

[narrow mirage]

i use prawn or sea truck?

[charred sparrow]

oh god. the prawn. it feels so janky in the old version! I'd totally forgotten

[eternal garnet]

I'd do truck. Prawn has a relevant issue, on steam

[charred sparrow]

well you can upgrade both to go deep enough

[narrow mirage]

well i m on switch

[narrow mirage]

so idk

[eternal garnet]

I think probably either then

[charred sparrow]

I'd recommend getting the prawn dock module so you can take both your prawn and your sea truck

both

[narrow mirage]

already have it

[charred sparrow]

great! get depth modules for both of them and go down as deep as you can

[narrow mirage]

ok

also a question how it s the final biome called?

[eternal garnet]

final? it's not really final. Crystal caves / ||red crystal caves / fabricator caverns||

[narrow mirage]

ok

lemme guess

there are 787879888 ||shadow leviathans||

[charred sparrow]

oh god. the old version. it's so unrefined. I love it. but I don't have my prawn suit grappling arm. that's kinda sad

[eternal garnet]

The grapple is prob. missing in the world, but likely cheatable

[next current]

The Grapple Arm wasn't added legitimatly until EA12.

[charred sparrow]

I don't like using cheats. I've never done it before. but I've already completed the real story so this is just a playthrough for my own enjoyment

btw thank you so much for helping me make this happen! I love it! it's so nice being able to play on my old save. apparently I have a snow fox and and much more I need to explore

[shut nimbus]

Is the aquarium upgrade (seatruck) useful?

[charred sparrow]

I mean... it allows you to get fish while you pilot the seatruck. it's an okay way to get food without having to do much I guess. but I personally prefer crops

[crimson quartz]

Veggies bad

Meat gud.

[shut nimbus]

Where can I find diamond early game?

[crimson quartz]

Deep twisty

Or koppa with prawn drill arm

It gives you 7 in total

[shut nimbus]

I dont have prawn

[shut nimbus]

Ok

[charred sparrow]

ah it's so beautiful. the good old unrefined plastic like terrain

[crimson quartz]

Well then get moving because your gonna need it

[shut nimbus]

I mean, I just started the game a few hours ago

[crimson quartz]

Uh i wouldnt go down there. Its claustrophobic and theres lotta plants who wanna eat you and a squid shark

[shut nimbus]

Uh

[crimson quartz]

Spike traps. The plants. Mostly on flat surfaces

[shut nimbus]

I will get down there anyways, I need Diamond

[charred sparrow]

look at all that nice unpolished unfinished terrain! and the good old precursor base that I believe was scrapped. it was never accessible during my original playthrough but it's good to see it's still there!

[gentle fjord]

guys im confused

like with the story

I started out the game and i was in the drop pod, then i went to delta island and discovered some stuff and then i saw the Pilots last know source. I went to her base underwater and confronted her and scanned some stuff but then idk what to do, it doesnt say anything after that

[crimson quartz]

You really are dumb.

What did marguerit say

[woven cosmos]

Please dont insult eachother

[next current]

The shield base wasn't scrapped, only the top section was.

Which was then converted to the ||Phase Gate Facility||

[crimson quartz]

Listen, when robin was asking about sam. What did maida say?

There was a key word.

[gentle fjord]

what

[gentle fjord]

how tf should ik

what did she say

[crimson quartz]

You dont have subs on?

[gentle fjord]

subs?

[crimson quartz]

Subtitle

[gentle fjord]

yeah i do

[crimson quartz]

When robin asked about sam. Maida said: Get that SATELLITE TOWER off my back and MAYBE i'll remember something about your sister

You need to find ppu fragments

2 is at the stern of mercury II in purple vents

[gentle fjord]

oh yeah now i remember

so how do i disable the tower?

[crimson quartz]

1 is at the lily pads zone 300 meters down. Prawn reccomended

[gentle fjord]

what

dude slow down

[crimson quartz]

Ppu= Parallel Processing Unit

[gentle fjord]

what should i do first ?

[crimson quartz]

You need those so you can disable the satellite tower in delta

[safe sun]

Solider. Do you want a hint or do you want everything spelled out for you?

[gentle fjord]

i want everything spelled out please

[crimson quartz]

After the encounter, you should start going to the STERN of the mercury II the crashed thing at the purple vents biome.

[gentle fjord]

oh you mean the ship?

[crimson quartz]

You will need a laser cutter

[gentle fjord]

is it the ship?

[crimson quartz]

Ya

[gentle fjord]

alright

[crimson quartz]

You will need 3 ppu fragments

[gentle fjord]

anything i need before heading there ?

[crimson quartz]

But only 2 are at the ship.

[gentle fjord]

wait let me get those 2 pp fragments first

[crimson quartz]

The last one is at the lily pads biome 300 meters down

Standard crush depth of prawn is 400

[shut nimbus]

I am there and I am not finding diamond

Its in the floor?

[gentle fjord]

alright

[crimson quartz]

Look harder.

[charred sparrow]

okay who remembers the old version of below zero? when it was first released? or at least back in july 2019? how did we used to get upgrade modules? I have a few for my seatruck but I don't remember how I got them

[shut nimbus]

I was trying to put together the seatruck and the storage module together

I didnt know how

And trying to put them together I destroyed the storage module

[bold monolith]

You should use EA8 and not EA4 or 5 if you want to experience the old story.

Upgrades were unlocked with the Seatruck itself I don't remember it was something else at some point even in EA.

[charred sparrow]

honestly I just wanted to play on my old save because it's been so long and apparently I had much more stuff than I remembered. I even have a few small bases with scanner rooms (because I was trying to use them to explore with). but yea I'll upgrade after I've explored a bit. it's interesting to see how everything looks

[shut nimbus]

How can I put the seatruck modules and the seatruck together??

[bold monolith]

You should be fine using old EA saves with EA8.

Use the handle, @shut nimbus.

The yellow handle on top of the modules.

[charred sparrow]

but I gotta say it's annoying that my prawn feels so clunky and heavy because it doesn't have the thrust module and it doesn't have the grappling arm. and I don't really have any depth modules or modification stations so I'm pretty vulnerable if I want to go deeper

[shut nimbus]

Ohh, okay

[charred sparrow]

yea. I just wanted to explore the old terrain. I remember playing right when it become available to purchase and I build in the lily pad biome on a rock and a few days after there was an update and the rock was removed so now my base floats in the middle of nowhere. it's just kinda fun seeing the old terrain

[bold monolith]

EA8 still has a lot of work in progress areas.

It's in 8.1 they began to rebuild the glacial basin / arctic spires.

[charred sparrow]

wait the the glaciers are changed in EA8?

omg. I think I prefer the old verison of below zero. I can't get the prawn grappling arm or jet jump upgrade legitimately so I had to spawn them in and the prawn now feels just as good as in the base game! that movement just feels incredible

[next current]

The Prawn Jump Jet Upgrade was available when the Prawn was made constructible. The devs moved the upgrade terminal it was in to make it more easily findable.

[carmine bobcat]

I’m glad they updated the terrain

So I can get more outcrops

[leaden harness]

i cant use console commands

[deep kettle]

Shift + Enter.

[leaden harness]

ok thanks

[next current]

Speaking of not being able to use console commands. I tried the new update last night. I also couldn't activate the console commands (The tactic shift+enter wasn't working). It was really late at night so I was too tired to make a bug report. So yeah, that's my story... <__<

I dunno if mods have anything to do with it. The only mods I have are QMods and Glow Fix.

[bold monolith]

Move the options folder from SNAppData and try again. If it doesn't work it might be due to the mods, but it would be nice to know you are not the first person.

[leaden harness]

is there a way to make creatures attack you more often im standing next to a shadow leviathan still no attack also when i switch to freedom or survival i cant see my health and temperature

[next current]

Hmm, noted.

[leaden harness]

idk why i dont see my health and stuff when i switch to survival

[charred sparrow]

what a beautiful view

[next current]

That usually happens when you switch to Creative and then back to Survival/Freedom.

[charred sparrow]

interesting view behind the old glaciers

[next current]

Bruh, I remember the Ice Sheets biome.

[charred sparrow]

(old version of below zero, early access)

[clear wigeon]

subnautica is a good game but i dont know how to play it except basic things

[charred sparrow]

I remember this guy. I gotta be honest I was first looking for him but I couldn't find him but after mindlessly exploring I found him. I was not expecting it so I did get a bit surprised haha

[clear wigeon]

i am trying to make sea truck

but it is very hard

can someone help me?

[eternal garnet]

You need the mobile vehicle bay. Scan 3 of them in monkey nests and lying on the sand in twisty bridges

[charred sparrow]

okay so it says EA8.1 is the original story final build. so should I use that instead of the EA8?

[bold monolith]

8.1 the terrain in hoverzone changed already. It wasn't really an EA release, it was the experimental build before the drastic change in the land areas.

EA8 is fine.

[charred sparrow]

but wouldn't I prefer 8.1 since it says it's the final original story build?

[carmine bobcat]

it's really easy just make a MVB and.. craft it

[bold monolith]

8.1 was there only because players wanted to keep their save from the experimental version back then.

Final original story build is more EA8.

[charred sparrow]

from the patch notes it just mentions snowballs was added in 8.1 lol

so they're basically the same? I mean if they're basically the same I think I'd prefer the newer version because it's usually better in some shape or form

[shadow zinc]

how do I use console commands

there is no disable console button

[next current]

I'm pretty sure the temperature gauge function was also added.

[deep kettle]

Shift + Enter.

[unique willow]

Is PC the only way to play the original story?

[deep kettle]

To my knowledge yes.

[bold monolith]

Not only PC, Steam as well.

You can't do that with Epic.

[deep kettle]

I wouldn't expect Discord to work either honestly.

[unique willow]

YouTube it is

I finished the game last night and I'm kinda sad

We just leave the lady from the Degasi in the cave?

[coarse skiff]

Ye

[shadow zinc]

that didn't do anything except make my cursor appear

nvm

thanks

[charred sparrow]

so alright EA8.1 (and EA8) should be the original story and also contain the original ending? (even if it's not fully complete)

[bold monolith]

You can't go to the ending, but you can be very close.

[charred sparrow]

so I can't see the original ending? at all?

[bold monolith]

The original ending wasn't completed at the time.

Also, the original ending is kind of the same as this one.

With some differences, but the basic idea was the same.

[charred sparrow]

hmm makes sense. well I hoped there was at least the bones of the ending. I wasn't expecting it to be polished or anything. I just hoped there'd at least be something. but it is still a good amount back in the development process so I guess it makes sense

[charred sparrow]

question is if it's even worth playing through. I just kinda wanna get the original experience. in 8.1 will you still start in the base on the ground and everything?

[bold monolith]

If you completed the game and don't know what else to do, sure it is.

[charred sparrow]

like in the new story you play as robin where she takes off from that ship in space. but in the old one I think you just started in the research base (or whatever it's called

[bold monolith]

Then you'll have an idea on which one you liked the most.

[bold monolith]

Yes.

[charred sparrow]

I just kinda want to get back to the version I was playing on release. if 8.1 is the last version to contain that original gameplay I guess I'll play through that. it's a really good game so it can't hurt to play it a couple of times. I did the same with the base game

[coarse jasper]

guys did below zero get a big fix?

[safe sun]

See #announcements

[coarse jasper]

ok

[merry swift]

Is there any information at all about high dynamic range being added to below zero?

[broken pasture]

I got some magnetite from the small mine behind Phi robotics, I couldn't get 1 single Magnetite ore, dissapointed.

I did get like 5 but that 1 ore.

It was stuck to the rock.

[sterile shadow]

Always keep an eye out for ore veins. They're cracks in the walls with a bunch of ore stuffed inside of them. You can find large amounts of different ores that way.

[carmine bobcat]

Lead is the most useful

[broken pasture]

Titanium is the most common ore in the game and when you need some it goes-

[sterile shadow]

The Scanner Room is your friend

[broken pasture]

I had this idea of putting a scanner room in the middle of Twisty Bridges, I can use solar power and then put a hatch in it, that way I can scan stuff that's away from my Base's radius.

[merry swift]

Don’t remind me of the hours I spent building maxed scanners all across the world to find the last piece of debris I needed for my cyclops

[broken pasture]

Can you build a Moonpool above water?

If so, how could you get your seatruck inside-

[eternal garnet]

Don't.

[regal storm]

hey guys is there any way to revive a creature you accidentally hit with a vehicle? console commands or anything I bumped into a pengling :(

or just like make the penglings unkillable

[eternal garnet]

no issue, penglings respawn

[regal storm]

Oh thank gosh

[eternal garnet]

Save often. 4 times/h

[narrow mirage]

well see you in hell

[next current]

Did you try necromancy?

[shadow zinc]

how tf do you control a snowfox

[eternal garnet]

Did you see my autobuild attempt? it won't stop, instructions unclear

[shadow zinc]

I made one and it's really slow and doesn't turn

[eternal garnet]

to turn, look extreme left or right

is weird, but you get used to it

[shadow zinc]

ok

how do I make it faster

[eternal garnet]

shift key = boost

[deep kettle]

1/10, needs more bases.

[shadow zinc]

ok

thanks

[eternal garnet]

it made about 50 copies, then deleted all of them

[next current]

The heck is this? 0__o

[deep kettle]

It was made with a new console command.

[eternal garnet]

autobuildbase. New in experimental

[crimson quartz]

Where is water

No blue hue?

[eternal garnet]

fog is turned off

[crimson quartz]

Oh.

Wait water ain't fog

[eternal garnet]

the fog is functional: it hides the non-loaded terrain

[crimson quartz]

Or thats just crystal water

[eternal garnet]

it removes water haze. Which is just fog.

[crimson quartz]

But i should be able to see the surface of the watsr

[eternal garnet]

yes, you can

[crimson quartz]

Water haze... yep gotcha

[eternal garnet]

You see really far, but you also see that say the island is a 10 polygon blob

[crimson quartz]

I havent done the ppu quests yet

Im chilling at my base.

[eternal garnet]

well I guess you don't get paid this week then

[crimson quartz]

But habitat builder is kewl. Gonna need a bio reactor soon.

Now that i have it im gonna set up base at mercury II stern, i have tons of titanium anyway

I think i just broke the code

[eternal garnet]

are you unsure?

[delicate silo]

guys

theres a bottom of the void and u can build on it pls dont remove it devs

[spice seal]

yeah it's about 2500m down, I got bored and built a creative base down there one time

[carmine bobcat]

tf is that

[eager sapphire]

Thats a so called "brute shark" not realy a pest

[carmine bobcat]

i just started the game, also thx

[crimson quartz]

It is a pest

Takes 25 of your health i think. Almost died. Brute without oxygen equals death

[carmine bobcat]

seaglide frags look harder to get

[crimson quartz]

They are literally right there in front of your eyes

[carmine bobcat]

i got that one

[crimson quartz]

I would reccomend going past that zone without a seaglide

[eager sapphire]

Np I completed the game on hardcore I did not died the first time I played soo I was trying hardcore

[crimson quartz]

Get an air bladder

[carmine bobcat]

ill go on land

nvm i cant see anything

[crimson quartz]

The cold bro

[carmine bobcat]

?

[crimson quartz]

If you go on land theres cold

[carmine bobcat]

ik

[crimson quartz]

You'll die of hypothermia

[carmine bobcat]

then where am i supossed to go

[crimson quartz]

Delta station has a lot of thermal lillies

Big red flowers

[carmine bobcat]

ill go to the emergency supply cache

[crimson quartz]

Theres a sea monkey nest there

Its kinda a pain since theres fish that explode. If you hear whining, run

[eager sapphire]

Ice is nice

[carmine bobcat]

theres crash fish in this game too?

[eager sapphire]

Marg be like on her logs when seeing land: ice is nice

[eager sapphire]

Yeah on thermale blades zone

[crimson quartz]

Ya

[eager sapphire]

With hidden cross making scary sound

[carmine bobcat]

k made seaglide

also what biomes should i avoid

[crimson quartz]

The purple crystal biome

Its very deep and you'll die immediatley by the terrifying shadow leviathan

[eager sapphire]

Idk what it called but it has ventguardians and Cherselicerate

[crimson quartz]

And purple vents

[eager sapphire]

I cant spell good

[crimson quartz]

Cheli

Big shrimp

[silent apex]

reaper > all

[eager sapphire]

Cheli is some big thicc shrimp

It instants kill you

[crimson quartz]

Nah.

[eager sapphire]

Not vehicle but in kill animation it does

[crimson quartz]

If your seatruck is good enough you have 5 hits before your gone

Perimeter defense is good

You can get it in pilot last location aka maida

[carmine bobcat]

only biome i should avoid?

[crimson quartz]

The purple vents too

[eager sapphire]

Cheli when sees perimeter defense : bye hef a great day

[crimson quartz]

And the dark blue hue with tree corals means you are fricked

[eager sapphire]

Uep cheli,s ate there

[crimson quartz]

Nah he says: a challenger i see...

[delicate silo]

u know what needs to be fixed

[carmine bobcat]

this?

[crimson quartz]

The crashes on switch

No

[delicate silo]

and recycletrons

[crimson quartz]

Dont go too deep. Theres a squid shark and carnivorous plants. But lots of diamonds

[eager sapphire]

No its far north east

[eager sapphire]

Diamonds oooooioo

[crimson quartz]

That biome is called twisty bridges

[eager sapphire]

Yep

[delicate silo]

recycletrons are broken and i love them

[eager sapphire]

You will mest al-an there

[crimson quartz]

And the deep is called deep twisty bridges

[eager sapphire]

In a precursor base

[crimson quartz]

Ya

[eager sapphire]

Ikr always handy

[carmine bobcat]

wow

[delicate silo]

hey um i wouldnt spoil its not taht big but it still sorta is

[crimson quartz]

The aurora

[carmine bobcat]

i gotta go there to find alan?

[crimson quartz]

Not that deep

Just 100 meters

Rebreather databox there too

[carmine bobcat]

ohh you talking about twisty bridges

[delicate silo]

also if u dont have a rebreather get one asap

[crimson quartz]

Ya

[carmine bobcat]

i tought you meant i find alan in the cheli biome

[crimson quartz]

Nah nah nah

[delicate silo]

rebreather is amazing

[crimson quartz]

But the endgame is in purple crystal biome with shadow leviathan. 3

[delicate silo]

once u get in the proximity itll show you

or maybe bc it took me so long

[crimson quartz]

Im not gonna say anymore because mods are gonna

[delicate silo]

i forgot to put the other thing sorry

[crimson quartz]

||with space

[carmine bobcat]

is that where im supossed to go?

[eager sapphire]

Yeah but don't worry Allan is funny

Always awnser his calls its funny

[delicate silo]

its good to go there theres a seaglide fragment

[crimson quartz]

The dude doesnt know anything about humans

[delicate silo]

what is a bed

[carmine bobcat]

bro i already got seaglide

[crimson quartz]

Whats happines

[delicate silo]

o

[carmine bobcat]

?

[delicate silo]

hes funny

[carmine bobcat]

ohh

talking bout alan

ok ill go to the supply drop

[crimson quartz]

Al an calls you. And you can decline or answer

[delicate silo]

theres stuff there

[delicate silo]

i dunno why t tho

[crimson quartz]

Always answer tho. Robin always teaches him stuff. And a bunch of comedy,he even calls humans inefficient and robin gets angry

[delicate silo]

ye dident he say breathing was a bad idea or smt like thaht

[crimson quartz]

How do humans talk?

[eager sapphire]

MY GOSH

[carmine bobcat]

this guy just stole my scanner

[eager sapphire]

I GOT JUMPSCARED

BY CHELI

[delicate silo]

of

[crimson quartz]

They will give you stuff eventually

[delicate silo]

frickin shawdows i cant park my prawn without sweating

[crimson quartz]

You'll get past it

[delicate silo]

and also there broken :3

[crimson quartz]

And umm@carmine bobcat

[delicate silo]

if only they would give u stuff in contanment

[crimson quartz]

Near delta there's a godzilla looking thing called cryptosuchus. I got killed by it once

[delicate silo]

u could build a titanium farm (and thats why the dont)

[carmine bobcat]

is the sparse arctic safe?

[delicate silo]

ye

[crimson quartz]

Titanium is in koppa

[delicate silo]

||

[crimson quartz]

The emptiness scares you and the temperature drops

[eager sapphire]

Ikr

[crimson quartz]

Thats not a spoiler since people would wanna go to delta after seeing the beacon

|| and in delta theres a map ||

[eager sapphire]

Cringe those thing are weak you need 1 bump or slice them in pixmzza with 2 slices

[eternal garnet]

the bacon is a lie 🥓

[carmine bobcat]

what am i supossed to do now that i got the supply cache

[crimson quartz]

Did you get a beacon?

[delicate silo]

took me 15 minutes to park around the ||fab base||

[crimson quartz]

Something?

[delicate silo]

ye lol

free swim with crypopoWHAT

[delicate silo]

it is

anyways ima get back to my void base byee

o ye glow whales aer not whales

[crimson quartz]

If 4546b is our world people would be like Free diving with a crypto suchus!!!

Or a leviathan

[carmine bobcat]

no

[crimson quartz]

Which is totally suicide

[delicate silo]

it was free swim with ghost leviathans in the void

[delicate silo]

i went into the void

is nice

[carmine bobcat]

reefbacks rn 😢

[delicate silo]

i love the void its my favorite biome

[eager sapphire]

Me and gl are best buds in lost river he does not attack me now where friend for live

[carmine bobcat]

i like lost river

[delicate silo]

ye dude the void levs taought me how to do backflips in my cyclops

[crimson quartz]

Explore a bit.

[eager sapphire]

Reefbacks are now glow whales

[eager sapphire]

Nice

[carmine bobcat]

they arent leviathans tho are they

[delicate silo]

also has anyone brought a prawn down to the bottom of the world in the first game

[delicate silo]

both are

[carmine bobcat]

oh cool

[delicate silo]

smt best leviathan is sea treder

then ice worm

dang i love ice worm it looks so cool (encountering it isnt cool tho)

[eager sapphire]

Their leviathans

But friendly

[delicate silo]

yes

ima go play some bz and build void house

[carmine bobcat]

whats this

[eternal garnet]

ice fruit. Very nice food

[eager sapphire]

No

[eager sapphire]

No

[carmine bobcat]

?

[eternal garnet]

Yes. 🍌

[flint swift]

finally, polish language

[eternal garnet]

Norh Korean when?

[flint swift]

never

😂

[old crypt]

was the shadow leviathan annoying to anyone?

[flint swift]

very annoying

he be kinda cringe

[old crypt]

yea as soon as you enter the crystal caves he tries to kill you

[old crypt]

true

[sullen oak]

i was trying to turn on console commands, i pressed F3 but there isn't the tickbox "Disable Console Commands"

[flint swift]

did you try using ~

[sullen oak]

let me try

doesn't do anything

[eternal garnet]

no, try Shift-Enter instead. This is new in todays update

[sullen oak]

it worked

thanks

[flint swift]

np

[carmine bobcat]

Is the mercury II wreck in leviathan territory?

[spice seal]

No

The thruster is near one though

[carmine bobcat]

Okay, thanks

[keen timber]

hi

[amber hemlock]

Nope, not for me

The Perimeter Defense Upgrade really made it look less of a threat

[spice seal]

Me neither, the only defensive thing they give you is op

[amber hemlock]

Tbh I wouldn’t have minded if they cut the Perimeter Defense Upgrade for the seatruck

It just makes the game a bit too easy

[spice seal]

If we had silent running or shields or decoys or something I wouldn't use the pds, but there isn't an alternative

[halcyon warren]

https://tenor.com/view/subnautica-below-zero-chelicerate-attack-gif-21817348

[spice seal]

That land in the background looks really weirdly colored

[eternal garnet]

? it's just yellow, purple vents

[buoyant kiln]

Yay, so apparently BZ isnt perfect. lmao. Game just started to lag horribly, textures started to fail to load, things started to turn black. Lag got worse, Everything went black, but music still played and I could move around, then crash to desktop. Just as I was saving to reload the game to. And when I tried to save my game to reload it, the save was corrupted.

[sterile shadow]

Back up your saves boys and girls 💔

[buoyant kiln]

13 hour save, poof.

[sterile shadow]

My condolences.

[fallen trellis]

I had a severe movement and camera lag when I started in every plane. Idk if they had updated something already planned, if it magically went away, or if the feedback note I left did it but now it’s almost non existent. Only when going to new or heavy data areas for a sec. I’m on ps4 but if it happens often still, I would recommend trying to leave feedback or ask about it to the big peoples

[snow viper]

im trying to do a subnautica below zero creative thing and the console commands option isnt there?? does anyone know a fix for this or am i just blind

[sterile shadow]

Screenshot taken from #announcements

[snow viper]

realized this mb

[spice seal]

That's a way darker yellow in the gif, the purple vents are currently way paler

[sterile shadow]

It's probably because of the compression on the gif/limited colour profile

[broken badge]

Then don’t use the PDS, problem solved

[next current]

Partial Endgame Spoiler. Is the green digital screen-thingy new?

[buoyant kiln]

The heck? Why was my posts deleted? :/

[broken badge]

No idea

[next current]

I don't remember it being there... Then again, this is like my third time getting to this part.

Maybe even fourth.

[buoyant kiln]

Maybe having assets and the game going black, with FPS issues, might be a driver issue?

[sterile oriole]

time to get below zero today

[gilded yacht]

I made it to the Tundra Void, and I was wondering if anyone else has ever gotten up there

I think I may have found a Sound test or Dev room

[eternal garnet]

each sign is/was an animation test for the ice worm. I heard some of them still work

[gilded yacht]

Oh okay, that's cool, I also found signs relating to the prawn and snow stalkers

[eternal garnet]

get out, and walk in front of the signs

there were trigger spots in front of each

[gilded yacht]

Welp, the death animations work

[sterile oriole]

is crystalline sulfur rare, because im coming fresh off subnautica and that was an endgame item

[eternal garnet]

no it's not

[sterile shadow]

No, it's not the same as the first game. It's much more common.

[sterile oriole]

good

[gilded yacht]

It replaces cave sulfur

[sterile oriole]

wait so there are crash fish?

[gilded yacht]

Yup

[sterile oriole]

god why

[eternal garnet]

did you jump for joy when you heard them?

[broken badge]

[zealous beacon]

Crashfish: So you know when 4546b is happy to see you.

[sterile oriole]

where do i find crash fish

i need myself a repair tool

[zealous beacon]

kelp caves, or the surface of the purple vents.

[sterile oriole]

can tell that i will not like sea monkeys

[kind belfry]

I finished Below Zero again lately...
Am I the only one who feels that Below Zero is infinitely inferior to the first Subnautica?
Like... in almost every way...
Was it even the same team working on it?

[spice seal]

I definitely preferred the original over BZ also

[kind belfry]

Let me make this into an actual review, with maybe a few bullitpoints the dev's could take away from it if they so choose:

Most Bioms in Below Zero felt frustratingly boring (with a few exceptions, like these underground caves below the kelps... THEY were really a highlight to me!). Not so much because they weren't done well Art-Wise (they totally were, absolutely beautiful). But there wasn't too much to do within them (and I'm not talking like story progression or material farming wise. But also in terms of exploring and observing how the fauna interacts with it's surroundings. How much time did you spend watching a Stalker carry arround Hull platings and subsequently loose their teeth while doing so? Or one of these eals in the glowing mushroom cave hiding inside the shrooms? Fauna in Below Zero on the other hand felt like they're "just there", not really part of the Bioms in particular...)

[spice seal]

yeah the creatures are way less interesting

[kind belfry]

I hardly spend any more time then necessary in most bioms. Because why WOULD I...

[spice seal]

the 2 hostile water leviathans just have the reaper grab attack slapped on

[steady stump]

I honestly agree. The planet felt kinda dull.

Like, not unique. Just different looks.

[spice seal]

And in terms of biomes, they definitely should've actually done something with the 3 whole underwater arctic biomes they had

the icebergs above are fine but below that it's just a barren landscape with a few patches of kelp, or tons of jellyfish in the west one

[steady stump]

Penglings were so cool cause you got to see them actually hunt

Seamonkeys were cool cause you got to watch them steal your stuff

[spice seal]

the map was already way smaller and then they didn't take advantage of the seafloor in all those places

[steady stump]

But the stupid yelling shark and brute sharks were just... there

[kind belfry]

The Leviathans... I have some things to say about those as well.

Remember your first encounter with the Reaper Leviathan... you didn't see him directly. For the most part you heard him, and you weren't even sure if it IS a creature or just the shreeking of the Aurora around you....

Then you saw a silhouette... shady, shrouded you weren't quite sure if you even saw anything at all... maybe just a graphic bug?

But then... it struck! And Every. Single. One. Of. Us. had shed our pants.

The leviathans in Below Zero?
Just put infront of your face, bam. They're big, thus for scawwy....

[spice seal]

I've already written out my complaints about the leviathans in BZ in walls of text you can find by searching for messages I've sent with shadow in them

[steady stump]

That first Reaper encounter was mainly due to the murky water. I feel like it wouldn't work in BZ - because if they did, people would probably just say "ohhhh reaper copy ohhhh same murkiness ohhhhh"

[spice seal]

Another great point. Hearing and seeing something huge far away was a big part of the terror that made Subnautica so scary

[steady stump]

The leviathans needed to have something unique honestly

[kind belfry]

But they lacked it in my opinion. They were just "big and mean"... nothing more, nothing clever about them...

[steady stump]

yeah, they needed something clever and unique

[spice seal]

Yeah, one of the non hostile leviathans is pretty much just a whale

[steady stump]

Don't get me wrong, the game is really good, but the fauna just is... kinda dry

[spice seal]

I did like ventgardens tho

[steady stump]

except certain cases

[spice seal]

and the ||ice worms|| were actually new and innovative as well imo

[steady stump]

mhm

[kind belfry]

Oh Below Zero certainly wasn't bad, I'm not saying that. But I say it was inferior to Subnautica Main game

[spice seal]

yeah absolutely

[kind belfry]

They were "Dune" but Ice.

[spice seal]

that's still better than big spoopy with reaper attack

[kind belfry]

Fair

[spice seal]

*also comes in "big spoopy, the cave version", and "big spoopy, void edition"

[kind belfry]

And yes, I liked the Sea Monkeys. They were the ONLY Fauna I really liked interacting with. It gave you the feeling of being an ACTUAL Biologist researching a foreign species.

[steady stump]

call me wrong but while the atmosphere for the reaper was cool the looks were weak. I feel like BZ's fauna designs looked better but put into practice it didnt feel unique

bz's fauna design makes you feel like you're on an alien planet i mean the stuff there looks genuinly alien

subnautica's designs looked kinda goofy

[kind belfry]

Yes. But the LOOKS weren't the part that made the Reaper so memorable.

[spice seal]

well they put more work into the model design for the leviathans in bz because they wouldn't be interesting or scary otherwise

[steady stump]

my first reaper encounter wasn't that memorable or scary, except for 5 seconds. he just grapped me, then let me go and i just saw him and laughed

[kind belfry]

Sad, mine was far more fascinating...

I think most peoples were

[steady stump]

reaper just looked like an angry grandpa with mask

[spice seal]

mine was I strayed into the Mountains by accident and one grabbed my seamoth and pulled it under crush depth until it exploded

[steady stump]

dragons just looked kinda goofy and they went through walls, ghosties had nothing unique, just kinda a long hammerhead snake

reefbacks were the only cool design wise for normal subnautica (dont get me wrong everything looked nice but reefbacks stood out for me), and im glad they focused more on design in bz

but the ai still felt lacking, same with the void

at least they made unique textures for the void this time, still wish they had a unique creature

[kind belfry]

I really liked these blue glowing semi transparent rays in the shromp forest...

[spice seal]

yeah jellyrays looked cool

[steady stump]

im mainly talking about leviathans in this case, but quite a few smaller fauna in normal SN looked great

[kind belfry]

Fair. Tho I really DID like the Ghost Leviathan

[spice seal]

Yeah I liked the attention to detail they put into the Ghosts lifecycle

[kind belfry]

The only one I didn't like was the Seadragon. For the same reason as the BZ leviathans. Boring, straight to your face, nothing mysterious about them.

[spice seal]

it actually gave an in universe explanation for why ghosts are in those pretty specific spots

[steady stump]

that is true. i wish they focused on the origins or life cycle of creatures

like i loved the i||ce worm graveyard||

[kind belfry]

I wasn't really that intimidated by the ice worms honestly...

[steady stump]

ice worms should have been more of a threat to be feared

like they're a giant worm with a super hot horn and they just kinda... dont attack enough

you can just run past them sometimes

[kind belfry]

They could have done more with them. Imagine if you saw their silhouette underneath the ice every now and then... not close enough for you to actually see what it is, but to see that there IS something

[spice seal]

they attacked me a lot

[steady stump]

i mean like they attack you a lot but they arent too much of a danger if you just keep walking

especially with prawn and grapple

[steady stump]

yeah. similar to how the reaper roared. the atmosphere was amazing

the overall atmosphere revolving the leviathans was just kinda weak

imagine hearing an echo or glimpse of shining light at the edge of your render distance for the shadow

you cant see it overall but you can see the glowing stomach

[spice seal]

there is an animation for them breaching the surface but not attacking, I wish that happened

[kind belfry]

This is something Subnautica did very well... it didn't threaten you by just plain and simply put big scawwy monstA in youre face... the threat was always something that was constantly around you, but rarely seen directly. It was always implied...

[steady stump]

imo i disagree. they put the majority of the threat in 3 biomes on the surface. mountains, dunes, and aurora. thats it. if you stayed away from those biomes you wouldn't be in any immediate danger

adult ghosties on the surface are super easy to avoid. they're too up to get them to notice you. just stay low.

[kind belfry]

It was always like "Yes, you ARE in danger, and you SHOULD be afraid... but I leave it to you to figure out what you should be afraid about."

[steady stump]

sea dragons and juvi ghosties were just annoying. not a threat. dragons are just too clumsy and slow and ghostie juvis arent too much of a threat if you just move fast

[spice seal]

But just imagine seeing that happen off in the distance, a quick glimpse at a huge creature but not long enough for you to get a good look at it

[steady stump]

the first time seeing and hearing leviathans was sick

for bz though, you had to face them

[kind belfry]

But Subnautica had much more threatening things then the leviathans. Often things that aren't even objectivly dangerous, but they always FELT dangerous. Like the Mesmer... GOD did the Mesmer left an impression on me!

They didn't do a lot of damage in numbers, that's never what it was about, but they FELT dangerous.

[steady stump]

yeah i agree with that. they looked and felt threatening. but back to my other point, once you realise they screw off after a knife attack, that was kinda it. sure they looked dangerous but it was easy to train my mind to realise that they aren't

bz is kinda the same way. sure you gotta face the leviathans which is nice, but they arent too dangerous and not an immediate threat

[kind belfry]

True

In BZ you also never had the feeling of being alone... thanks to Alan constantly droning on about something (and in the earlier versions, Sam giving you a call every now and then)...

[steady stump]

my ways to fix it:

1. Remove the eletric shock module on the seatruck. Basically a get out of jail free card for basically every leviathan.

2. Increase their damage.

3. Increasing their commitment. For me, after getting out of a hold from a chelicerate, they back off a bit. make it so they don't do that, but they circle you. make you think.

4. Make them more resistant to damage. Make it so they only flee after taking a large amount of damage OR you run FAR outside of their patrol area.

5. Make them faster.

6. Increase their patrol range. Maybe have them go outside their biome for a bit to go hunting, like have them fall under an eating pattern. Mainly for chelicerates, like have the purple vents chelicerate move into the edge of the lilypad islands biome.

7. Add atmosphere. Make their roars farther and echo, or another example for Shadow Leviathans: Make their blue part glow in the distance, so you only see a blue light moving around, similar to the Reaper where you would often see just a small tail or shadow. I loved that about the Reaper.

They're just cowards. For being the top of the food chain, you wouldn't think they'd give up so easily when they get punched or shocked once.

They don't feel like apex predators and thats my biggest complaint.

They're supposed to be LEVIATHANS. Not just another scared creature.

If they're dangerous, maybe people would actually fear them.

[kind belfry]

Huh.... the bot just warned me about my language, guess they don't like the F bomb here XD

Let me rephrase:

I disagree. I don't think damage of their behaviour (like their patrol behaviour or how fast they go away) are the real issue here.

As I said, I always felt the more impressing thing was how the danger in Subnautica was, for the most part, implied instead of actually put in front of you. Especially on your first playthrough, you never really knew if you are in danger or when... there was a certain mystique around every threat...

[steady stump]

Hmm, I guess thats true, but I feel like their fear just goes away after the first time. My complaint is that they aren't a looming threat, only a threat for 1-3 times. Like, I know that you just move away from the mesmer after you've seen it 2-3 times. I know that sand/bone sharks are cowards. I know that ghosties just need room.

My main issue is that they're only scary a couple of times

[kind belfry]

One clever trick they could have pulled to make their Leviathans more scary: Make them spawn in my peripheral vision.... don't let me SEE them....

[steady stump]

I agree, but there has to be a balance to where it isnt just a typical cheap jumpscare

I feel like they could use one trick out of Reaper's book, without making it seem like a copy: They don't roar when they are aggrod onto you / in their aggro range.

Maybe make them try and circle around you. Its strange, the PDA said that the Reaper has mostly muscles and no brain despite it being the smartest leviathan in the game when it comes to hunting tactics

May just be me, but Reapers only roar when they get within maybe 10 meters of me

At least their signature roar, not the echo one

[spice seal]

they're supposed to only roar loud when they aggro on you

[kind belfry]

Or what they suggested above for the ice worm...

Let me see them once sticking their head out from a distance and burrow down below the surface again. Let me see "Yes, there is something out there, and it will brÜtalise mi budd if it gets me", and then hide it for a while, and make it attack me after at least 5 minutes....

[steady stump]

Huh, strange. Reapers tend to only loud roar when they are right infront of me / behind me.

[spice seal]

yeah that's what I said

[steady stump]

Oh. I thought you meant as soon as they aggrod onto you, not when they were 5-10 meters away

[spice seal]

is that not the same thing

they aggro when they get close

[steady stump]

I mean for me they only roar when they grab me. They aggro from a bit farther away.

[spice seal]

oh

[kind belfry]

I found one line from the PDA's text about the reaper super frightening:

"When you hear it, it sees you..."

[steady stump]

Shame thats not how it worked. It would've been cool if the actual AI used echolocation.

Maybe increase their aggro range too. Make it so they stop roaring if you see them.

For BZ leviathans, I mean

[kind belfry]

Yeah, that would have been quite the heart attack

[steady stump]

I also kinda like how we're not isolated this time. Felt good to not be alone for once. I feel like the devs turning BZ to be more story based was a good idea, but they still should have put a bit more attention into AI.

After all, this is supposed to be a sequal, not a copy.

Actually, its supposed to be a spin off right?

[kind belfry]

Or... imagine a creature that hunts like a wolfpack...

They don't immediately attack you. You know they are there, circling you... you know they WILL strike, but you don't know when.

[naive crow]

||Huh, I never realised that the bow of the Mercury 2 had three PPU frags||

[steady stump]

Snow stalkers should've been that imo.

[steady stump]

Wait it has 3? Thought it only had 2

[kind belfry]

Let 3-4 of them circle you, let you SEE them circle you... but not attack right now... and then let them strike suddenly out of nowhere while hoawling...

[steady stump]

On that note, I would've loved to see a swarm of penglings harass and peck you like that. They circle you. Just tiny penguins. Menacingly. They they all go at once.

[kind belfry]

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuus...

[steady stump]

All the penglings in the area should've gone after you if you took a child honestly. For what seems like a more group-based animal they dont seem to be that close

[kind belfry]

Sometimes they even let you alone completely, with a baby right in your hands...

[steady stump]

mhm

Small AI details like that is what makes a game turn from great to amazing. Which is why I feel like SN BZ is more of a 8/10 unlike normal SN being a 10/10 for me

Don't get me wrong, SN BZ was a delight to play, just not as good as normal SN

But i'm being a bit hypocritical, I just said they're supposed to be different games, my bad

Shouldnt be comparing them too much

[kind belfry]

Also, for an ARCTIC themed enviroment it didn't really feel that arctic most of the time...

They could have built' an biom completely inside caves inside an iceberg for example...

[steady stump]

true

thats why i always make my base above on icebergs

i like looking outside and it suddenly being a snowstorm

[spice seal]

yeah they could've utilized like the whole space under the land biomes to build big cave biomes under them

[naive crow]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ij7PNsP9I&t=159s||

[kind belfry]

And thats a shame, I loved the idea of an arctic biom when it was just a rumor for original subnautica

[steady stump]

huh, neat. ill check it out next time i play, thank you

[naive crow]

||Link should take you directly to the bow section of the video||

[spice seal]

||yeah the bow has 3, stern has 2, thruster has 1||

[steady stump]

brb saving link

alright