stage-discussion

[merry elk]

first one gets filtered

[broken trellis]

i just had to turn it off and on

so maybe if all settings are off at the begging it wont cause problems

[dire brook]

Tole what tool are U using to capture gifs? I can't capture smth cause it disappears when I activate capturing with gyazo

[daring gale]

shareX

[dire brook]

oke, I will try, but maybe U will check it faster on ur own

when u are hover above 7tv top-right button (not clicking) - it shows "7tv"

but the styles (font/color/background color) aren't applied to this info - U can compare with "Whispers" or "FrankerFaceZ Control Center"

[merry elk]

other than the empty space i couldnt find anything personally

[dire brook]

yeah, I wanted to mention but started downloading ShareX

empty messages can be repeating again

[polar magnet]

Imagine using sharex instead of recording with OBS, editing with Resolve, and converting the video to GIF in photoshop

[dire brook]

@daring gale

[daring gale]

yes ok i know

[dire brook]

thx for ShareX suggestion, btw

[steel patio]

I don't have 2K/4K monitor

[broken trellis]

[daring gale]

live on firefox btw

[worn granite]

spamming works very well, i like the layout that it turns grey for the delay.

suggestion: adding so you can change the delay, sometimes you just want to spam a lil faster

[steel patio]

I think it's set at the normal rate-limit, otherwise twitch will say you're sending messages too fast

you can spam it as fast as you want in channels where you're mod

[worn granite]

i dont think so

[merry elk]

plebs have 20 messages per 30 seconds, mod/vip have 100 per 30sec

[worn granite]

twitch will do it faster though, since you have more messages sent

but ok

👍

[merry elk]

https://dev.twitch.tv/docs/irc/guide/#rate-limits

[worn granite]

dang

thanks

[merry elk]

yeah everything above that twitch just drops

[worn granite]

im also getting ALOT of these

https://i.nuuls.com/7rZot.png

not as much as in chatterino

[unkempt hill]

you shouldn't ever have that

@daring gale

I thought that only happened with the last message you sent, which shouldn't ever happen since it adds the message suffix to every other message

oh

unless you don't have the allow sending duplicate messages option enabled in the 7tv settings @worn granite

[worn granite]

i do have it on

[dire brook]

I can't find this option in ffz actually.

[unkempt hill]

Its a 7TV setting

in 1.6.1

[dire brook]

idk why I've read it as FFZ

unless U edited it then

[unkempt hill]

[dire brook]

[broken trellis]

[unkempt hill]

Discord tip: you can see when a message was last edited if you hover over where it says (edited)

[dire brook]

I know, man

[unkempt hill]

Ok, dude

[broken trellis]

[unkempt hill]

It was fucking hot

I don't do coke, I like coke, I drink coke, I don't do coke

[dire brook]

[broken trellis]

[topaz bobcat]

this gif refuses to play automatically

[dire brook]

for me it's ok

[topaz bobcat]

hes just smiling

on hover it plays

[dire brook]

anybody can confirm Void's statement? I don't trust him

[broken trellis]

nope

cant reproduce

[topaz bobcat]

[dire brook]

ok, I knew I can't trust this @Uploader

[topaz bobcat]

🐱

[peak tiger]

same for me thats how its always been for me but i dont have nitro so that might be the issue

[dire brook]

u 2 are very sus

[novel portal]

theres a setting to only animate gif emotes on hover or sth

on discord

[worn granite]

adding it so trying to send multiple of the same message doesn't work in emote only mode https://i.nuuls.com/OeSzD.png

since it doesn't

[rich sun]

blah

[steel patio]

yeah the character used to send multiple messages isn't an emote

same thing happens in chatterino, nothing you can do about it

just cv paste the emote twice

[polar magnet]

It uses an invisible character to send repeat messages?

That’s redonkulous

[worn granite]

isn't there a way to detect if the chat is in emote only?

or am i wrong

[polar magnet]

Chatterino can detect that iirc

like it does for slow mode

Make it so it automatically sends a TriHard the instant it detects emote-only

Also add an text-to-emote translation dictionary that automatically sends your messages in emote form whenever a chat is in emote only

[merry elk]

https://dev.twitch.tv/docs/irc/tags#roomstate-twitch-tags yeah its sent as a roomstate message

[topaz bobcat]

actually no joke we need this @daring gale

the second the chat goes emote only its trihard only

[late rapids]

could take it a step further where after the RoomStateMessage is sent, every Channel Subscriber that joins after gets a with the UserJoinMessage

[worn granite]

this has to be turned off by default

[sick sedge]

that's gonna be hard

[worn granite]

?? how is that going to be made

[polar magnet]

🇹🇫 🤏

[daring gale]

If anyone is ever able to consistently reproduce or find what causes the chat crashing / rising to the top with the native extension im very interested

[polar magnet]

chst

[inner sorrel]

chest?

[polar magnet]

(chat)

[daring gale]

I tried a fix yesterday and so far haven't seen it happen again but it happens in some channels more often than others

Noticed it happens pretty often in #supertf ( @dawn valve )

Also by native extension I just mean without ffz

[polar magnet]

super 🇹🇫 🤏

[broken trellis]

you mean this

[daring gale]

yes

precisely

[dire brook]

[inner sorrel]

who is japanese characters123

[broken trellis]

its a old screenshot

[dire brook]

@daring gale bttv off as well? or doesn't matter

[daring gale]

doesnt matter afaik

[merry elk]

uh, do i have to do anything to make it crash, like type? or just watch forsen and see if it crashes?

[broken trellis]

i know a much faster chat

[merry elk]

https://www.twitch.tv/tmiloadtesting2 lets see

[daring gale]

that's precisely the issue, we have no clue why and when it occurs

[merry elk]

oh, alright lets hope

[daring gale]

i believe it may be linked to some special events in twitch chat, perhaps hype trains, subscriptions or such

[dire brook]

testing with BTTV alongside, think some ppl here don't have it installed for sure ( )

[merry elk]

oh so tmiloadtesting wont work then :D

[dawn valve]

Ive never seen that on Firefox. I’ve run with bttv installed and not interchangeably

[stiff sinew]

i had this problem a while ago, cant remember what i did to fix it, it happened during previous stage tests

iirc i disabled the bttv extension but take that with a grain of salt

[stiff sinew]

haven't been able to recreate it with the test

[daring gale]

keep that test version for a few days, if by wednesday no one experienced the issue again i'll do a 1.6.2 release

[stiff sinew]

sounds good

[daring gale]

ok i think i actually fixed it

seems like it's because twitch was trying to remove a node, which 7TV deleted (the old message content)

so as a sort of hotfix i'm keeping that node in, just hiding it

[dire brook]

I’m still on that last test version. Haven’t faced any problem yet. Guess, that was a key.

[merry elk]

havent had a crash yet seems to work

[daring gale]

i think this version addresses the remaining major issues

[merry elk]

looks good to me

[topaz bobcat]

thank you @daring gale

[dire brook]

subscription feature stage tests

[daring gale]

might not be today, had other stuff to deal with so couldn't get as much progress done as i wanted

the front end / promotional page is done though; just needs checks on the backend and some controls for the user to manage their subscription

[oak agate]

if you ever need a beta tester or something i am down

[dire brook]

#864456490806149130

[oak agate]

didnt even see that my bad

[dire brook]

it's ok

[daring gale]

Backend for credit card payments is done, subscribing & cancelling

Might test this on stage in a bit, checking if implementing gifts is easy

Paypal still needs work

[inner sorrel]

will i get free sub?

[daring gale]

yea, on the stage env

[inner sorrel]

ok

sounds good enough

[oak agate]

👈 FREE LIFETIME SUBSCRIPTION?

[daring gale]

paypal stuff working better now, finally got it to schedule cancellations at the end of billing cycle instead of immediately

so i think ill be able to have both credit card and paypal ready for launch

(gifting will only work with credit card/stripe tho.)

[warped hemlock]

[unkempt hill]

your sub will renew at the start of time

some say the earth is billions of years old, others say its only 6000, and there are some who say it started on january 1st 1970

[daring gale]

time began on jan 1 1970

behead the non believers

[merry elk]

[dire brook]

[daring gale]

If testing today goes well i think this can go live tomorrow, or the day after, depending on kathy's availability to schedule announcements etc

[polar magnet]

🇹🇫👉🎁❔ any gifters?

[elder lichen]

[daring gale]

preparing

[novel portal]

thank you for the gift kind stranger xqcL

[stiff sinew]

[merry elk]

[random gazelle]

[dire brook]

should I?

[merry elk]

[dire brook]

incoming...

typing in #stage-notes

[elder lichen]

[elder lichen]

is the "using stripe" text supposed to be there?

[daring gale]

yes it's a temporary scuffed toggle

[elder lichen]

[daring gale]

use stripe though not paypal

[merry elk]

I don't see the option

[daring gale]

?

do you have an extension that hides purchase buttons or something lol

[merry elk]

Hard F5 brought it up

Caching

https://lyx0.s-ul.eu/dmdoZXtl.png with stripe

[daring gale]

i think one of your extensions is blocking it or something

[elder lichen]

works, only thing is i had to refresh in order to see the new username color and for the button to stop circling

[daring gale]

There are still missing elements to the graphical interface, please save feedback for later.

[steel patio]

what email do I use for stripe

my email or the stage email

[elder lichen]

i used the stage email

[daring gale]

it should be auto entered

[merry elk]

I opened incognito with no plugins and the same result.

[daring gale]

as the email you have from registering

[stiff sinew]

it auto entered my own yea

[steel patio]

ok

[merry elk]

oh i swapped the email to some fantasy one

[elder lichen]

mine auto filled but i replaced it with the stage one

[merry elk]

FFS

[daring gale]

firefox?

[merry elk]

wasnt sure if it shows up in #883091688845901855 so

nevermind

no

[elder lichen]

same

[merry elk]

Adblock was enabled in incog for some reason

Sorry

[broken trellis]

should i just use my postcode for this

[dire brook]

delay with pp, right?

[merry elk]

probably got sick of looking at ads while surfing porn

[daring gale]

yes paypal sucks balls

[dire brook]

I will suck then

done

[random gazelle]

[daring gale]

what adblock @merry elk

[merry elk]

That might be something you get support tickets for in the future if it's blocked from the default AdBlock lists.

sec

[dire brook]

delay is <30sec

[merry elk]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock-—-best-ad-blocker/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom

[daring gale]

"best ad blocker" big doubt

[merry elk]

I actually am gonna remove that one

I moved to uBlock

origin

[stiff sinew]

both discover cards dont work

[merry elk]

yeah delete that one and go ublock origin

[steel patio]

[stiff sinew]

[sour phoenix]

works just fine

[dire brook]

what should happen with "Do not renew"?

[daring gale]

for the record it's not me manually granting roles i just have my account as the "system account" atm

[halcyon rivet]

wait so you don't put your actual card details

[daring gale]

no you use a test card

[quasi carbon]

fauncee! used stripe flawlessly

[merry elk]

no

[stiff sinew]

tole you saw that both of the test discover cards dont work right?

[dire brook]

all is described in #stage-notes

[halcyon rivet]

oh

[merry elk]

https://stripe.com/docs/testing#cards pick one from there

[daring gale]

should be fairly self explanatory, prevents the sub from renewing. you keep your perks until it ends (basically cancelling it)

[daring gale]

after you cancel it should say "Your subscription will end on Oct 2, 2021" instead of 'automaticlaly renew'

[kindred mortar]

it worked for me 🙂

[merry elk]

[random gazelle]

What if I put my own card

[broken trellis]

[obsidian crow]

try it

[kindred mortar]

[daring gale]

the stage environment almost has 200 users

[dire brook]

@daring gale stopped right now after "Do not renew" - I can resub.

[merry elk]

up next load testing

nice

i like the stage one more anyway

[stiff sinew]

did the discover cards work for anyone else?

[kindred mortar]

is there gonna be a separate discord role for 7tv subscribers?

[halcyon rivet]

it says card not accepted

[daring gale]

yea there is

[obsidian crow]

@daring gale are subscribers not getting more slots for their channel, or is it just not written on the subscribe page rn? or im just tired and blind

[daring gale]

doesn't give more slots no

[dire brook]

[daring gale]

what does this mean?

[kindred mortar]

wait untill oct 2nd

[steel patio]

[random gazelle]

[dire brook]

that works differnt way

[daring gale]

what

[dire brook]

it was cancelled immediately

[daring gale]

huh?

[dire brook]

I can resub right now

[inner sorrel]

hmm

[dire brook]

not after Oct2

[steel patio]

this seems kinda scuffed

[obsidian crow]

poor people hmm LULE

[dire brook]

graphics in work, mentioned

[steel patio]

[daring gale]

that might happen if you cancelled twice

[dire brook]

should it be like that tho?

[daring gale]

no

[dire brook]

ok

[daring gale]

but is that what you did

[dire brook]

I can retest

sec

[merry elk]

i just tested zero width upload and it let me

[daring gale]

you made this error throw

eternal

so yeah that's a bug

[broken trellis]

[stone zinc]

i think i fucked up something

[dire brook]

Your subscription will end on Oct 2, 2021 - 1st unsub

now I can't unsub twice

there is no button

[steel patio]

It let me unsub once, but I can't resub. I assume until the benefits expire

[quasi carbon]

Yea same @dire brook so yea waiting for the time to run out.

[daring gale]

if you want to test more stuff i can force cancel it

[dire brook]

yes

[quasi carbon]

I was gonna try paypal aswell to make sure my browser isnt being a prick. Cancel mine please good Sir

[daring gale]

done

[quasi carbon]

Lovely popped right up.

[dire brook]

unsub me, pls

[daring gale]

which provider

[dire brook]

paypal? or wdym

I only use and will use that

[quasi carbon]

ui is a bit scuffy for me i tried it with and turned off ublock

[daring gale]

There are still missing elements to the graphical interface, please save feedback for later.

[quasi carbon]

Ah sorry

[daring gale]

ill be honest i have fuckall idea how to force cancel a sub with the paypal ui rn

it's so bad

[dire brook]

forever sub

[merry elk]

i hate paypals ui so much

[daring gale]

why is paypal even still a thing jesus

[dire brook]

because it's big and it's old

[stiff sinew]

ngl i still use paypal all the time

[daring gale]

so clunky and slow

[merry elk]

i like it when all my interaction with it is 'enter credentials in popup'

[dire brook]

that much important that be good to be a thing

big things slowly change

(btw for tests it's much easier - just email + pass)

[daring gale]

alright i found the page one sec

[dire brook]

I didn't get Stripe at all

[merry elk]

just pick one of their credit card numbers, enter it, enter some random details and youre good

[daring gale]

triggered a cancel

should happen any second

[dire brook]

nah, thx, I simply ctrl+c/ctrl+v just 2 things and it's done with pp

[daring gale]

there u go

@dire brook

[dire brook]

thx, done

[quasi carbon]

Yea pp was flawless for me aswell. Lovely jobely

[river rock]

using my real money

[dire brook]

one of us has arld tried it (almost, thx God)

[daring gale]

it wouldn't actually charge your card if you entered a real one btw

[merry elk]

bunch of errors happening rn in the egvault

[dire brook]

this time it came even funnier

I couldn't unsub 1stly (clicked "Do not renew" like 5-6 times with refreshes between)

and then it goes full unsub with the opportunity to sub (like previously)

[stiff sinew]

so many errors

[daring gale]

I'll leave this up overnight, noted some issues but overall this is pretty stable

just a few edge cases to handle

[stiff sinew]

le pogchampion

[dire brook]

[stone zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

give us perma subs

[dire brook]

oh, Tole, I don't remember smbd mentioned that

no yearly plan for PP

monthly works for both

• yearly for stripe

[gleaming dagger]

i should use my real credit card on stage.7tv.app

-$5

[quasi carbon]

can confirm!

[dire brook]

🤜 @daring gale

[daring gale]

fixed i think

[dire brook]

even worse

[daring gale]

nvm

[quasi carbon]

Boi am i glad this is tested some before goin live. Oh my days the amount of people that would have issues othervise.

[daring gale]

@dire brook try now

[dire brook]

same as above

3times ctrl+f5

[merry elk]

set up 2nd account and yearly paypal doesnt work, shows the same for me

[daring gale]

now?

[dire brook]

[merry elk]

yep

popup shows up

[dire brook]

Internal Server Error (POST https://api.sandbox.paypal.com/v1/billing/subscriptions: 422 The requested action could not be performed, semantically incorrect, or failed business validation., [{Field: Issue:PLAN_STATUS_INVALID Links:[]}])

1 month

[merry elk]

worked for me

with a year

[dire brook]

[daring gale]

where is this

dont think you can get that error in the UI

[dire brook]

same place where was ss above

just lazy to ss

[daring gale]

whatd you do

[dire brook]

1 month sub

[daring gale]

yeah but where

what stage

of the purchase

[merry elk]

k then

[daring gale]

chill jesus

[dire brook]

I didn't get U, actually
I just tried to sub as usual

I mean ctrl+f5 -> 1 month plan with PP

[dire brook]

sorry, if that was rude, I understood it could be so

[merry elk]

all good dont worry bro

[daring gale]

i just dont know where you pulled that error from

[dire brook]

it popped out on top middle

right where is menu

[daring gale]

just when you clicked the button?

[dire brook]

yep

as like as with the previous ss I posted

[daring gale]

does this persist still

[dire brook]

it shows for about 5-10sec each time

[daring gale]

oh i see

fixed

not

[dire brook]

[daring gale]

the plans system needs work

[merry elk]

[daring gale]

thats for sure

there

[dire brook]

1 month works

year as well

Hmm
"Your subscription will end on Jan 1, 1"

it doesn't count 12 month, just the calendar year, i.e. 2021

refund pls for 8 month

[quasi carbon]

I just bought 1 day for 39.99

[dire brook]

zero-width isn't a cheap feature to maintain

[quasi carbon]

So it seems

[polar magnet]

it's a lot of work for a server to lift emotes up and put them ON TOP of other emotes

uses more power than most GPU mining rigs

lol

[quasi carbon]

Oh yea on that topic, What kind of hardware do you need at this point to run this? Like is it already far beyond running on 1Gbit fiber from your basement and gone to 10Gb renting scalable servers somewhere?

[daring gale]

"1Gbit from your basement" man I don't even get 1Mb here at times

[quasi carbon]

Thats depressing

Seems you're putting it to good use.

[dire brook]

[daring gale]

Well ive never had better internet than that so im used to it

Idk what it would be like having 100mbps or even 1gb

I picture it as like things no longer take time loading

[dire brook]

1GB for me atm, on new PC will reconnect with 2GB plan

[quasi carbon]

Yea im lucky to have fiber to the home and can pick from a variety of isp's and speeds and ofc tried a bunch of them. Biggest benefit is steam and torrents other than that i dint feel a noticable difference from 250/250 500/500 and 1Gb/1Gb so theres' that.

[daring gale]

Depending on how much subs generate I might be able to move into an apartment with fibre towards the end of this year

[quasi carbon]

Oh boi would that be a nice upgrade.

[daring gale]

Just need an internet that at least doesn't go down every five mins

[unkempt hill]

Fibre 3Heading

EU 😬

[daring gale]

Like it's not even the issue of it being slow

It's just there are days where it's not even there

It goes up and down constantly it's the most frustrating shit

[merry elk]

slow but consiteent internet is hugely better than like 100x as fast internet but it dies every few days

[quasi carbon]

Yea thats torture. long response time and timeouts and drops.

[daring gale]

Slows down my ability to get anything done by a ton, thank God I don't have an actual job

[dire brook]

need more subs, Tole should buy his own house during 4 months

not less than 3 floors

[daring gale]

Imagine being in a meeting with your coworkers working on something and internet starts to drop periodically at random intervals

[dire brook]

I had it like 2 times during COVID

but only 2, maybe 3 during 1,5year

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale Susge

does that mean it wont charge until the 3rd

EZ just keep resubing for infinite benifits before the charge period

[daring gale]

Wdym melon what is this

[unkempt hill]

on paypal

[quasi carbon]

Getting scammed 3.99 everyday

[unkempt hill]

it says the subscription starts on the third

[daring gale]

I might disable PayPal if it has too many problems

Its cancer to deal with

[dire brook]

[unkempt hill]

PEPW also did you fix the multiple subscriptions thing?

[polar magnet]

#stage-discussion message

[unkempt hill]

Madge you said not to resub so I cant test it

no fun MODS

[daring gale]

With PayPal probably not bc PayPal takes 4 days to send updates

Stripe is instant

[unkempt hill]

BigHardo can I test it

[daring gale]

Sure

[unkempt hill]

Pag

[daring gale]

I can't do much to fix it

Cuz I can't know when the user paid

[dire brook]

I believe sub-plans is still a field to work. 1 year sub cancellation leads to Jan1 stop-date, mean the end of calendar year, not an actual year=12months

[quasi carbon]

pretty cringey but if paypal is gonna be shitty now it's probably gonna be a world of pain on launch.

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale Thinkge how many entitlements do I have

[dire brook]

no Stripe in Russia

[quasi carbon]

Ah man

[unkempt hill]

Pag 6 notifications

[quasi carbon]

"our stripe komrade"

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale can you refund?

or cancel subscriptions from your end

[dire brook]

he can force to unsub

[unkempt hill]

you could cancel any subscription other than one

no I mean from paypal

the paypal sub not the 7tv sub

[dire brook]

oh, ok

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale because then in that case even if multiple go through, the first one that completes will be the one that sticks

because it will just cancel the others

[daring gale]

but then further payments go through

so it'd need to be refunded

which is lost money

that money goes straight to paypal and is never to be seen again

[unkempt hill]

do you have a way of not completing the transaction?

before it finishes

[dire brook]

I just wonder what is the user base even all over the world. Guess there is not that big difference.
Even tho there is no Stripe in my country, I'm pretty sure PP is much more widespread everywhere compared to Stripe.

[unkempt hill]

or does it happen in its own world, then just notifies the server

[quasi carbon]

yea not unlikely.

[daring gale]

@dire brook no reason stripe isn't available in russia, unless russia has its own type of credit card

[dire brook]

yeah, I thought about it

[daring gale]

you can't be a vendor but pretty sure you can pay through stripe

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale beepoShy can you manually remove my entitlements FeelsDonkMan

I cant cancel it because idk which one it is

because its a shared account

[dire brook]

can't make an account, but still can use VISA/MS, right?!

since it's SWIFT anyway

[daring gale]

basically for some reason paypal takes a long time to actually send an event

[quasi carbon]

i read this "
Available for businesses in 46 countries.

Accept payments from anywhere in the world.
"

[daring gale]

maybe i can check the state of the subscription and see if it's been activated

[unkempt hill]

I wanna see if the same thing happens on stripe

because the way I've been doing it is just open a bunch of tabs

and then open subscription popups

and line up the buttons

and then just run through and hit them all at once

[daring gale]

only 3 entitlements actually went through

or 6 including badge ones

[unkempt hill]

I only did 3

[daring gale]

ah

[unkempt hill]

6 notifs for the badges too yea

oh also

I just tried do not renew

and it made a snackbar that said "[object Object]"

FeelsJSMan

[daring gale]

probably because u didnt have any subscription

i removed them

aight ill fix the issues tmrw

gn

[stiff sinew]

gn tole

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale PEPW

how many entitlements do I have

it works on stripe too

just opening several tabs and hitting subscribe on them all

[daring gale]

ic

maybe i can do some go magic

to prevent that

dont even have to save state to db i think

ill find a solution tomorrow

[unkempt hill]

also

I tried twice with the same card

and the third was with a diff one

all 3 worked

[quasi carbon]

Aye gn

[dire brook]

yep, that's what Tole mentioned and I thought about - should work via SWIFT

it's just payment service, like a 3rd party thing

[quasi carbon]

Nice hopefully that'll be alright.

[unkempt hill]

YEAHBUTCUM

[quasi carbon]

Paypal is like a third party thing anyway

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale also you could save the session tokens for the current flow when one is made in the db with an expiration attached to them, and just return the same flow for multiple successive attempts of generating a payment popup

that way you're never generating multiple opportunities to subscribe

only one

ever, respecting expiration, obveously

[dire brook]

I meant 👆. If it will be really hard to run with it, and Stripe simply works like payments provider (so ppl can use it with credit cards) - then it's time to PPl to leave.

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale also I still think the popup needs to be swapped out for a page redirect

many browsers and extensions block popups entirely

[dire brook]

Will there be an option to disable "Sub" badge? I mean not a visibility (via FFZ CC), but only my own badge?

For example, I can turn off FFZ one (but only via the WS), but can't FFZ:AP - should unsub for that

[unkempt hill]

I think he said people will beable to control the badge, yea

[dire brook]

thx

[quasi carbon]

Hide it with ublock

[dire brook]

actually, we have one it's called "МИР" (mean "WORLD"), which was made for the state security purpose (so we can operate within our own country with the state banking system even if USA will disconnect us from "SWIFT")

but we have no problems using VISA/MS atm

[olive sapphire]

For some reason my card was not accepted (it's simple visa), they said thank you for the purchase, the money was not taken away, and there is no subscription maybe i should wait

[dire brook]

I hope U are not subscribing with the real card during the test period on the stage version

[quasi carbon]

Have another look in stage-notes @olive sapphire and use those testing accounts instead.

[olive sapphire]

renew sub..?

[dire brook]

there is credentials for testing purpose in #stage-notes

[olive sapphire]

wait, i got notifications like

The badge "Subscriber - Founder" has been added to your account

and

i can cancel it

i just cancel next month

[dire brook]

if Ur nickname become golden/orange - it works

[quasi carbon]

Yea im sure it worked but you wont be charged because it's in testing still.

[olive sapphire]

oki

[quasi carbon]

#stage-discussion message mentioned here, so should be fine.

[olive sapphire]

ah and yea, there it is ty

[dire brook]

[olive sapphire]

[safe acorn]

[olive sapphire]

should i see sub badge in twitch chat (with 7tv ofc)?

[daring gale]

you won't see it as it's on the stage server, which no chat client connects to

[olive sapphire]

okey ty ❤️

[daring gale]

https://api-stage.7tv.app/v2/badges?user_identifier=login

but you should show up in here

[olive sapphire]

yea yea im there

[inner sorrel]

im officially a sub

[quasi carbon]

Did it cost nothing and only gave you 1 day too

[inner sorrel]

it gave me a year

[safe acorn]

[worn granite]

I MIGHT BUY IT

i kind of want the founder

[daring gale]

yeah not having a founder's badge would be pretty cringe tbh

you get ultimate swag, and i get to fund my 3 million dollar house /s

[quasi carbon]

Right

If i was a kid i know i would save my allowance for a couple of days.

[worn granite]

https://i.nuuls.com/Kpyrw.png

[daring gale]

i reset some paypal stuff so it probably doesn't work

stripe might still work though

im working on preventing creating multiple subs

[worn granite]

im sorry if this question has been asked alot, but is one-time gifs getting added soon? are they gonna be subscriber exclusive?

[daring gale]

it's still in the pipeline, but it's actually really difficult to realize this feature properly

and due to how it will likely require a completely new format, probably will be sub exclusive yes

[quasi carbon]

I just searched the server to find out what it is and could only see you ask about it What is it?

[solar kindle]

It's a gif that plays only once...

so think of a short video

[quasi carbon]

Oh

[solar kindle]

there's a setting to turn forever looping off in photoshop/photopea (free web version) discord supports it. u can check it out with that

[worn granite]

yeah

[quasi carbon]

Yea is that possible with webp too? I know it is with gif

[worn granite]

look at this gif

not sure

first question on google: why is WebP so bad

[daring gale]

you can give an animated image a never ending last frame effectively making it single loop

but thats not the point

[worn granite]

so what is the point

[daring gale]

it wouldn't replay when it's posted in another message

[worn granite]

oh

but so if one person types it it will just stop?

for everyone else

[daring gale]

the idea of "single loop emotes" is that the animation is unique to each message

[worn granite]

yes that's what i though too

[daring gale]

the normal behavior is that browsers cache the image, and it looks the same everywhere by that point

which makes those sort of "one time" emotes impossible, because when one person types it, subsequent messages would also show the last frame until the browser is refreshed

maybe it needs a better name than "single loop", people are always being smart asses about it, "lol u can just make the last frame never ending xdd im so intelligent check out my reddit"

"Unique Loop" perhaps, idk

[quasi carbon]

Guess we'll see it in the 8tv dlc

[worn granite]

[daring gale]

I believe i've fixed all edge case scenarios that would cause problems

[polar jackal]

when trying paypal

[dire brook]

#stage-discussion message

[polar jackal]

oh

Should read this chat more

[daring gale]

had to fix some server issues back now

gonna improve the frontend

the entire flow works great now, we'll see if you guys can break it

[unkempt hill]

deal

Madge

I can't nevermind

Madge already subbed

3 times mind you Okayge

[daring gale]

not now

ill ping when testing is live

[steel patio]

[dire brook]

oh, our Tole dared to challenge the mighty stage testers squad

[merry elk]

i just tried using the subscribe feature on the stage site. said it declined card at first, but then i got notifs on the site that i am subscribed now.

[dire brook]

ill ping when testing is live
tests are incoming

[merry elk]

ooh okie. got it

[inner sorrel]

[dire brook]

woudn't it better in-line

near the "GIFT"

[daring gale]

i tried that but wasnt satisfied with the look

[dire brook]

k

[daring gale]

looked too far apart

[olive sapphire]

good work

[dire brook]

hmm, maybe the "GIFT" button a little bit to right then

to make a rectangular with the text block above

(right corner of the "GIFT" under the "!" and "p")

then that column of "pp/stripe" switch would be look even better

[worn granite]

i think that the "coming soon" screen is very odd, it looks more like flickering than an animation

https://i.nuuls.com/5tQfk.gif

[daring gale]

theres no animation

[dire brook]

but it looks great

[inner sorrel]

:OMEGALUL::

[daring gale]

it seems to be a bug caused by the zerowidth carousel

[inner sorrel]

no it doesnt

[worn granite]

the first time i saw it i just thought my monitor was glitching

[dire brook]

U just don't like glitches, for me it does

[daring gale]

check the timing, it happens as the images fades in/out

not sure why

[worn granite]

i see it

it does

maybe a screen that shows how the founder badge looks?

https://i.nuuls.com/ATZ-m.png

like either my hovering it over or below

[daring gale]

check the right side

thats the badge

[worn granite]

isn't that the subscriber one?

so what's the difference between sub and founder

[novel portal]

if someone gifts me do i still get early supp @daring gale

[dire brook]

@worn granite

[worn granite]

oooh

[daring gale]

probably yea

[worn granite]

where do i get to see that?

[dire brook]

FFZ CC

[worn granite]

so the founder badge will me an extra, instead of replacing

[novel portal]

[worn granite]

like how it is on twitch

[novel portal]

we can try it out ill offer myself as test

[daring gale]

woman expecting someone to gift her of course

[novel portal]

i tried

[peak tiger]

Im guessing you could choose, all badges will only have one slot

[worn granite]

so founder badge will not change over time

[peak tiger]

Wdym?

its a one time thing like twitch founder badges

[worn granite]

the subscriber badge will evolve over time

okay

yeah

[dire brook]

shouldn't, in my view

[worn granite]

yeah i agree

im gonna be honest, good fucking job here

this is something i would like actually buy

[inner sorrel]

i like glitched shit but this looks so scuffed its idk

its kinda like if a glitch glitched

it looks so bad

[worn granite]

yeah anatole said that it is not intentional

[dire brook]

as for me, "Founder" badge is the best from the entire pack (maybe pink one for "DM" is quite close)

but this dark one is insanely dank

[worn granite]

true

what abount having the subscriber badge like next to the founder one?

[dire brook]

I like how u can't see the main part of logo, only shades, like glowing

[merry elk]

i like the founder one a lot

[dire brook]

maybe should be renamed to simply "7TV Founder" as it could be visible only when u are currently subbing anyway

so no reason to emphasize that with "7TV Subscriber (Founder)"

[stiff sinew]

i was planning on supporting 7tv since i learned about it an actual good emote service

[daring gale]

Some people might think they created 7TV or something. Would be too confusing

It'll be in line with how other sub badges will be named ie "7TV Subscriber (3 Months)"

the founder one is just exclusive to early subs, so you cant get it anymore past the date

[dire brook]

but most ppl on twitch used to its channels' "Founder" feature - they know that they are just 1st channels' subs

anyway, maybe U are right

it actually doesn't matter so much

[stiff sinew]

hes right, it would look like you were the founder of the service rather than a sub

[daring gale]

on twitch it's ok because you know who made the channel - the broadcaster

[dire brook]

yep, let it be like it is

[stiff sinew]

[dire brook]

btw, what's about?

[daring gale]

spaced between like this?

[dire brook]

yep

[daring gale]

Gonna get something to eat then run a test

[merry elk]

describe taste (and test)

[dire brook]

[daring gale]

[dire brook]

[merry elk]

[elder lichen]

paypal worked instantly for me this time

[broken trellis]

worked fine for me on paypal

[daring gale]

yep paypal should work immediately now

[dire brook]

@daring gale pop-out windows were better

than redirection

[daring gale]

redirect is the standard way for payment processors

[dire brook]

ok, just noticed the change from yesterday

[quasi carbon]

Date updated correctly for me this time around. Used pp

[broken trellis]

its still the 3rd for me and says 4th

[daring gale]

timezones

[broken trellis]

BST

[daring gale]

it's based on CEST

[solar kindle]

the drop shadow

[merry elk]

can you delete my subscription please? nouryqt

[quasi carbon]

^ same

[dire brook]

wouldn't it also be better if the system will auto-refresh after "Do not renew"?!

[safe acorn]

works completely fine

[daring gale]

let me know of if you used paypal or stripe when requesting deletion

[stiff sinew]

front page

[merry elk]

paypal

[quasi carbon]

Paypal aswell

[safe acorn]

same here

[dire brook]

same, refresh, pls

[daring gale]

actually hold on i'll add in a button to do this

[merry elk]

can i log into paypal and delete sub from there myself?

[daring gale]

so u guys can self reset

give me 5 mins

[merry elk]

like it was the first time

[dire brook]

[merry elk]

[quasi carbon]

[stiff sinew]

seamless for me 👍

i have to refresh the page in order for cancelling sub to take effect not sure if its supposed to update before refresh or not

[dire brook]

what did U do so PPl started to work as Stripe, Tole?
it updates sub-status almost instantly now

mean, what was the problem previously?

[daring gale]

deploying, i added a "HARD CANCEL" button when you click "do not renew"

[dire brook]

need cancel now, PP

since I don't have a button

[elder lichen]

same

[safe acorn]

same

[quasi carbon]

indeed

[daring gale]

oh right

ill make it appear all the time for now

[quasi carbon]

Yea might aswell

[daring gale]

paypal is a pain to log into and reset subs manually

works great with stripe, it's likee 2 clicks and done

but paypal is just so sluggish

[dire brook]

u won't have to do that often in the future tho

and PP works pretty fine now

instantly after rework

[merry elk]

does the account uudelleenkytkeytynyt have more than 1 sub currently active? i tried to sub with stripe and paypal at the same time, none of them gave me an error but only one shows

[daring gale]

well, when it's live i'll never have to do that thankfully otherwise it'd be scamming people

[dire brook]

otherwise...

[quasi carbon]

there we go

[dire brook]

thx, HC works

[daring gale]

only 1

[merry elk]

perfect

[daring gale]

so it is possible to sub on both stripe and paypal, and yes you'd get charged for both. however only one of them actually takes effect

i didn't cover that one because i dont think people will do this

and if they do well

thats their fault i guess

yoink +€4

[safe acorn]

[merry elk]

yeah if they try that hard then fuck them

[dire brook]

[quasi carbon]

Im still getting "Bad Request (You are already a subscriber!)"

[stiff sinew]

today i will buy 2 subscriptions on the same account

[dire brook]

wait a sec

[mint shell]

[dire brook]

it will work

[daring gale]

if you subbed with paypal wait a bit for it to confirm the cancellation

[rich lichen]

I cant log with my paypal

[quasi carbon]

Righto

[daring gale]

use the test credentials ben

[dire brook]

#stage-notes for credentials

[rich lichen]

[quasi carbon]

Damn right! Fantastic.

[dire brook]

wait how? U mean open 2 payment windows before finishing any of them?

Since after U sub, u can't sub again no matter which method

[daring gale]

yeah with multiple tabs

you have to try pretty hard to do this

i doubt anyone would go out of their way when it's real money

but at least you can only sub twice at the very most now (and only one will actually count)

@unkempt hill

try ur madness

[merry elk]

yeah i dont think people will just try to sub with more than one tab at the same time

[dire brook]

U will check the subs-lists later and give those ppl "Special Frog"

since they are rly those one

[inner sorrel]

im special

[daring gale]

seems to work perfectly now. only gifts left to implement

[merry elk]

dont forget to remove the hard cancel

[daring gale]

yeye

[inner sorrel]

could someone gift me a year of sub?

just for a test?

[daring gale]

hard cancel = self scam

[real wasp]

working perfectly here

[merry elk]

sure i'll gift you as many years of sub as you want :)

[real wasp]

[lunar fable]

I got a "Cannot GET /v1/paypal-events/cancel" when I clicked on cancel

[dire brook]

leave it for the strongest ones

[merry elk]

feel free to use my visa credit card, number is 4242424242424242 :)

[daring gale]

yeah i havent added that yet. i will have special confirmation pages and whatnot

altho cancel should just redirect you back to subscribe page

but yeah, easy fix

[merry elk]

are there any special security rules when you do things on the staging thing? i tried my hardest to seem sketchy as fuck but payment was accepted

[river rock]

how do you "seem sketchy as fuck" lol

[daring gale]

it's all test data, i don't think anything gets checked for fraud or whatever

but that's handled by the payment processors anyway

[merry elk]

oh, oh well then it was useless

[river rock]

what did you do? lol

[dire brook]

altho cancel should just redirect you back to subscribe page

the same?

[merry elk]

linux vm with tor, billing address in ukraine, that normally does it

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale so did you make it so only one sub actually counts

or does only one entitlement count

[river rock]

that's not sketchy

[dire brook]

I mean by "cancel" U meant "Do not renew"? or "Hard Cancel"

[merry elk]

not enough apparently

[unkempt hill]

I subscribed on both paypal and stripe and they both succeded

[daring gale]

only subscription count, and if you try subbing in multiple times at once it'll only go through once unless it's both stripe and paypal

so you can sub on both stripe and paypal and you will get double charged

but only one sub will be created

[unkempt hill]

isn't that worse tho

[daring gale]

so whichever is first actually matters, the other is void

[unkempt hill]

then your paying double with no way of canceling it

since you cant hit do not renew

[dire brook]

yes

[unkempt hill]

since it doesn't exist

[daring gale]

well i mean

who the fuck is going to do this

and if they do they can just contact

it's not actually possible to prevent this afaik. because there's no way to decline a payment when the session is already opened

[river rock]

someone

[peak tiger]

Imagine somone does this just to troll and tries to sue or some shit

[merry elk]

then this someone fucked around, and found out

[dire brook]

was it on PP side why it started to work almost instantly?
I mean the update of sub-status

[daring gale]

yea it's fine, i can't do autorefund or it could be used to make the account go negative with fees

[stiff sinew]

doesnt check email lawsuit inc

[daring gale]

@dire brook added an extra check when you get redirected, it checks the ID of the subscription directly and activates it instead of waiting for paypal to notify

[unkempt hill]

PEPW the official 7tv email

is [e-mail]

PEPW

[dire brook]

smart moves

[merry elk]

if someone fucks up there are like 17 contact links to kathy

[unkempt hill]

that sounds like a joke

[river rock]

yo kathy

[unkempt hill]

but its actually the real contact email

[merry elk]

i assumed its a catch all email

[dire brook]

so... sub-gifts -> tests -> and...

[daring gale]

yeah so subbing for yourself just works now

seems like ive handled all issues properly

[dire brook]

it can be 5/6 Sep for real

[daring gale]

gifting in theory is just a game of changing the ID of the person getting subscribed

since gifts don't autorenew

i don't think i'll allow gifting with paypal though

it would be a lot more complex

[dire brook]

it would be nice tho if users could watch who was a gifter for them or whom they were gifters for in they profiles

[daring gale]

yeah that'll be a thing for sure

that + a leaderboard maybe

of who gifted the most

[merry elk]

also opt out but that seems like a terrible idea for you monetary so ignore it

[quasi carbon]

I get declined on these toggling debit/credit.
discover
jcb
union pay
diners club
diners club 14
So far American express and mastercard has been fine. Probably stripe's fault tho.

[dire brook]

yeah, some test cards suck

[quasi carbon]

I see.

[dire brook]

I used debit MS, it's ok

most ppl will use debit/credit MS/VISA

• AE from USA

[quasi carbon]

yea i did ms last night and ms 2-series this time.

[unkempt hill]

🤔 twitch lets you drop subs

you cant drop the sub itself, but you can drop the benifits

ie. you cant get gifted during that period I dont think

[merry elk]

yeah, or just a toggle that makes you not eligable for gifted subs, but then again that means $5 less for him per month so i personally wouldnt do it if i were him

[dire brook]

blocking sub-gifts?

https://c.tenor.com/sB91dftWCosAAAAM/wtf-wtf-cat.gif

[quasi carbon]

but yea seems to work alright. Dates updated correctly for me this time both monthly and yearly. Last time it showed me 1 day for both.

[dire brook]

should be just an option to hide a badge (both sub/founder) - all other specific benefits (like 0-width emote etc.) ppl could simply ignore and don't use

[quasi carbon]

^ indeed i do hide my ffz badge aswell for less stuff.

Highest prio rite naow

[steel patio]

seemed to work

[unkempt hill]

@daring gale I just realized why making sure only one entitlement gets applied regardless of how many payments there are is a good thing

when personals get added you would get multiple sets you could fill

extra personal slots

[daring gale]

yea

and itd appear as multiple badges as well on the selection

and is extra work on the server

bc it has query all that shit multiple times for no reason

@unkempt hill you had the founder's badge 3 times before

thankfully no longer possible

[unkempt hill]

[oak agate]

CUSTOM ELPWS BADGE

[muted dew]

any reason why subbing doesnt grant additional slots?

[river rock]

it's been a promise from the start where you won't pay for additional emote slots

[muted dew]

[dire brook]

if U want a simple short answer it's just the 2nd post (1st from Tole) in #faq
(from the start that was one of the main difference compared to BTTV)

on the other side, if U want go deeper (), U can check archived threads in #suggestions for one called "subscription perks"

[dire brook]

PP errors

[worn granite]

still getting this

when trying paypal

[daring gale]

O wonder if PayPal test tokens expire

I didn't change anything here

[safe acorn]

hmm

[stone zinc]

pp worked perfectly for me

[safe acorn]

yea

[daring gale]

Gifts are in

[steel patio]

[safe acorn]

[quasi carbon]

Bttv sent you a gift?

[topaz bobcat]

global twitch emotes extension at it again

[dire brook]

hmm... don't have anything like this

I have GTE

[safe acorn]

same

[topaz bobcat]

funniest encounter with the extension was probably seeing this emote https://betterttv.com/emotes/60170ee46c75a765d4643b09 when browsing some NSFW subreddit

[opaque karma]

[topaz bobcat]

https://github.com/Electrolyte220/GlobalTwitchEmotes/tree/dev

sideload this

[polar magnet]

@topaz bobcat 🇹🇫 upload that to Chrome Web Stire

[daring gale]

gifting interface / flow

[merry elk]

looks really nice but it seems like you misspelled my name

[quasi carbon]

Looks to be alright. Is that popup getting blocked by ublock? i guess is a good test.

[daring gale]

it's not a popup, redirect

[daring gale]

[merry elk]

anatole why is there a differnt email in stripe?

[civic nimbus]

I can't gift anyone

[kindred mortar]

^

[lunar fable]

@civic nimbusI think they need to be stage testers

[daring gale]

they have to be registered on the test site

[kindred mortar]

oh

[civic nimbus]

ah

ofc

[lunar fable]

you can try to gift me VulpesHD

[kindred mortar]

i did

[daring gale]

thank you for the gift kind stranger

[mint shell]

cannot gift myself

[river rock]

[pulsar quarry]

i did, check

[lunar fable]

Got it

[pulsar quarry]

it works!

[kindred mortar]

i also gifted you vulpes

[real wasp]

why i cant gift with paypal?

[lunar fable]

Do people get the founders badge if they get gifted?

[kindred mortar]

yes

[civic nimbus]

ah works

[lunar fable]

[river rock]

doesnt let me gift if i'm already subscribed

[lunar fable]

Could be an issue if "2 people gift at the same time and both get charged" example: big streamer browses the site

[inner sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/850184920185045052/883596591498403850/NYOOooo.gif

[kindred mortar]

yeah

[daring gale]

i have a fix for that actually

[river rock]

when you "do not renew" a gift