They tried in SK
#stage-discussion
peak shuttle
daring gale
unless youre a big name
then you get targeted by some kid with $5 and access to a booter
daring gale
"web3" or whatever is basically just using the most basic principles of networking that would be prevalent in the 80s and hoping that everyone isn't just gonna leech off the network
it's just the same as torrenting
except instead of archived files you.. stream web content from other people's computers?
like it just doesnt make sense or is feasible
peak shuttle
IPFS 
Most of the files are dead there. But it worked as a hope against censorship
lbry is a "successful" decentralized video platform though so there maybe is hope.
gn all 
keep up the fantastic work 
polar magnet
bittorrent is pretty "successful" for sharing video files
but it's only video files that have a lot of demand
polar magnet
you couldn't make a decentralized youtube (at the same scale as youtube) because 99%+ of the videos are uploaded by WH
s and no one cares about them
finite monolith
moderation is the worst one
i geniunely have no clue about what the best way to do moderation is
daring gale
you cant moderate a decentralized network
daring gale
youd need to get every peer to agree to shut out another
or a majority of peers
which isnt happening really
polar magnet
well, giant governments can physically go after the people involved, since their IP is public
or even just get most of the internet providers to block the IPs
daring gale
then remember IPv6 is coming
which has like
340 trillion trillion trillion addresses
finite monolith
then remember IPv6 is coming
daring gale
so good luck blocking IPs when you can just 
get a new one for free
i mean
it's safe to assume if "web3" became a thing
unkempt hill
then remember IPv6 is coming
ipv6 is coming
daring gale
it would use ipv6
daring gale
like i know web3 is a meme
unkempt hill
and some peopel
daring gale
but hypothetically
daring gale
yea i know its years away
but
hypothetically if someone stepped up and made "web3" a reality
it would be extremely unwise to even support ipv4
unkempt hill
In December 1998, IPv6 became a Draft Standard for the IETF
AINTNOWAY
ipv6 is almost as old as gif
finite monolith
Aware
daring gale
i think the shift is gonna happen soon-ish though
polar magnet
gif is like 1983 or something though
unkempt hill
89
polar magnet
87
daring gale
ISPs might start getting impacted by the cost of buying ipv4 addresses
when that happens ipv6 will roll out at the speed of light
unkempt hill
i mean you can have a fully ipv6 system now
v6 tunnelling
has been a thing
for a while
daring gale
right now ipv4 is still too cheap for isps to care
but when it starts hurting their bottom line
you will see the fastest switch over
unkempt hill
well for the established ones its hard to care
daring gale
it's like what they did with 5G
daring gale
even tho 5g is dogshit and useless
unkempt hill
to even become part of the queue
to beable to buy a block
is like 400 long
its like 2 years out
you have to reserve a spot in line
for 2 years
to beable to buy a block
aint no way
daring gale
it is years out but id say end of this decade is when the switch will happen
because it's inevitable
unkempt hill
ipv6 is actually kinda stupid tho
like its actually too many numbers
the minimum routable block
like that you can advertise
with bgp
is trillions
of ips
its stupidly too many
so many will be wasted
daring gale
yeah lule
unkempt hill
its not even funny
unkempt hill
that means one physical location at minimum can be routed to trillions
daring gale
trillions is actually nothing
compared to the amount of ipv6 that exist
its so many
the number is almost unfathomable
unkempt hill
yeah but like
if we routed it correctly
it'd be sustainable
for our future expansion
into other galaxies
instead we'll just have to wait for earth to migrate
to ipv24
polar magnet
that means one physical location at minimum can be routed to trillions
Imagine being able to have a separate IP for every connection though. You could never get DDOSed as an individual
daring gale
yeah not having an ipv4 sort of make you impossible to target in a ddos attack really, as a home network
which really should be the case
polar magnet
it should be, but probably won't
daring gale
targeting a home network is so stupid
daring gale
i mean, a lot of ISPs already have dynamic ipv4
unkempt hill
i mean you can do that right now
daring gale
mine changes all the time
daring gale
if i restart my router
unkempt hill
that every person could have one
daring gale
i'll get a new ip
unkempt hill
ipv6 is like 18 orders of magnitude
more
340 trillion trillion trillion
trillions of trillions of trillions
polar magnet
I've left my router unplugged overnight, and still my IP doesn't change
it has changed in the past through
daring gale
you can probably ask for a dynamic IP
for me its the opposite
id need to ask for a static ip
polar magnet
Mine is dynamic because it has changed in the past, but the lease time must be like 24 hours or something
or maybe more
daring gale
might just need to leave your router off for a while
then they reassign it
since an idle IP is a waste of money
polar magnet
unless they have plenty of IPs
daring gale
still a waste of money if its v4
it's an ip that could be assigned to another customer
polar magnet
But they own more IPs than customers
why would it matter?
They've already bought the block of IPs to assign to customers, right?
daring gale
i mean sure they have more, but it still doesnt make sense to leave them idle
like if they keep IPs idle too long
eventually they'll run out
daring gale
it kinda depends, ips are getting so expensive i doubt ISPs are still buying up insane amount of blocks
probably only provisioning for the near future
daring gale
then if anything theyre selling off
polar magnet
maybe
daring gale
the economics of owning many more IPs than your amount of customers dont really make sense i think
if youre not growing then it definitely doesnt
polar magnet
Yes, but I assume it's also a hassle to buy and sell IPs willy nilly
so they just keep them unless the trend is overwhelming
daring gale
it's an auction system
finite monolith
are ipv6 ips actually free
daring gale
ips constantly get bought and sold
one /24 block right now i think is like $20K
which is 255 ips
might be a bit less maybe like $10K, but it increases every year
technically it could be a guaranteed ROI if used as a stock but it's highly regulated
inner sorrel
bro v3 was working just fine until the stream buffered and i had to refresh
now the 7tv emotes dont load anymore
daring gale
inconsistent emote loading should be fixed in next build
it was due to a lapse in the reactive queries
sometimes it would fail to trigger, either too early or too late
brazen flume
moderator slide bar works
ok i found something.
without the extension enabled you can click someone's name it will bring up their chat logs, however with it enabled this feature does not work
daring gale
it doesnt work bc its not implemented
brazen flume
ah, thatll do it 🙂
moderator slide bar works in firefox for some reason?
and the chat logs issue is not present on firefox
empty dawn
<.<
Wasn't that bad. 90% of these messages were Melonify and Anatole writing in paragraphs
empty dawn
Is this new by twitch or part of the extension? Really dope 
vapid veldt
pretty sure that's twitch itself
unkempt hill
yeah thats just native
ffz usually hides it tho
or replaces that message with its own
empty dawn
the more you know... thx 
shell schooner
ew
odd bone
would probably have to help test on my laptop perhaps 
daring gale
turns out the ffz bug was one bad typo
melon lost several hours trying to figure out the impossible
i love javascript
!!!!!!!
empty dawn
Saw that more than once today. There are often, but not always, less subs shown than actually gifted.
daring gale
Saw that more than once today. There are often, but not always, less subs shown ...
i guess thats because the fallback mechanism is too slow to handle high message throughput, or somehow they merge
empty dawn
another one
daring gale
it should be fixed after we add a rendering handler for this kind of message
empty dawn
ok ty
daring gale
right now this is twitch rendering it
all we do is pass it into our context
it's actually quite cool how two totally different frameworks can work relatively seamlessly
This is vue, inside of react, which is sometimes inside of vue.......
it works though since the logical context is not tied to the elements 
charred dagger
unkempt hill
it's actually quite cool how two totally different frameworks can work relativel...
the funny part
is this wouldnt work the other way around
vue would crash
if you moved its elements
like with what was happening with my tokenized input box
except it wasnt another framework but the browser
modifying the elements
daring gale
right yea if you moved elements without notifying vue
aka not using teleport
react just doesnt care where its elements are at all though
which is probably because all it does is rerender the entire thing
every time
so it doesnt fucking matter where in the dom they are
finite monolith
actually true
eternal iron
finite monolith
That's pretty hot
daring gale
going to push a new build in a sec
no cosmetics system yet this just addresses some issues from yesterday and adds finalized emote menu
woeful stirrup
oh shit this is cool
naive hatch
just thought about it. the issues with brave, any chance that could from from their built in adblocker being enabled?
teal knoll
i love how you can see a history of twitch channels you watched and shows all their 7tv emotes
woeful stirrup
Switching channel does not update 7tv emote menu
daring gale
@naive hatch can you enable verbose logging and screenshot what you see on brave
naive hatch
yeah one sec gotta reinstall it on brave
woeful stirrup
so how does the 7tv tab works now?
y is the channels i've visited is saved
naive hatch
<@489542823331364875> can you enable verbose logging and screenshot what you see...
all extensions disabled. braves built in shield still active
daring gale
that just looks like everything is normal
but youre saying emotes dont load?
oh wait i can see an error
daring gale
well that user doesnt seem to have 7tv
try on a 7tv-enabled channel
it's possible not having 7tv blocks the loading of other providers on this build because ive made provider fetches sequential
naive hatch
ahh alright so its working now. but in the menu its still showing the previous channels emotes.
daring gale
thats fine
okay so it works then, just an oversight in how the requests are handled
it shouldnt stop fetching if 7tv request fails
teal knoll
if that channel history showing other channels emotes is intentional, thats super cool
daring gale
dont think it's intentional but i suppose it could be an option
woeful stirrup
But would that be useful tho
daring gale
not really
woeful stirrup
And may even confuse ppl
teal knoll
ok i see a bug here
daring gale
lipton reporting the same 1 bug?
daring gale
did you load kai's channel though
teal knoll
i did yes
daring gale
does the channel youre currently on have bttv
charred dagger
Imagine still using BTTV 
charred dagger
daring gale
does it show up after reopening the menu
woeful stirrup
teal knoll
does it show up after reopening the menu
closing and reopening the emote menu still shows kais bttv emotes
woeful stirrup
Back to normal after f5
daring gale
ok i mean the fact it shows kais emotes is literally just the thing you mentioned as a cool feature
but it not showing new channel is likely just a lapse in reactivity
i think i can see why
teal knoll
woeful stirrup
so how does the 7tv tab works now?
y is the channels i've visited is saved
I think lipton was referring to this
teal knoll
yeah i think so pizza
eternal iron
Emote menu still has issues after channel switches it seems
daring gale
anyways yea that history thing is going to be removed
@eternal iron its bc of this line
youve broken reactivity here
that ref is no longer reactive after you unfurl .value
daring gale
yes lipton we get it
teal knoll
ok sorry sorry
charred dagger
naive hatch
aside from the emotes staying from a previous channel which was mentioned is expected. OperaGX seems to be working without issue
daring gale
will likely be testing cosmetics system tomorrow
woeful stirrup
Cosmetic system
daring gale
i think cpu usage should still be lower than regular twitch overall
im not sure how much that one thing affects it
this build does a transform operation on twitch emotes everytime the chat state changes
teal knoll
daring gale
so itll cause lag spikes
but only briefly
this will be changed to run in a background context later
naive hatch
I stand corrected. OperaGX while ffz and 7tv are enabled I am unable to open the emote menu by clicking on it. which I suppose makes sense because both extensions have a custom emote menu and there is probably some conflict there
woeful stirrup
https://i.imgur.com/VjmEOJv.png
What browser
daring gale
@deft tangle edge does not support AVIF
same issue as firefox except edge doesnt even have support for static avif
it will be fixed once there is an agent check in place, similar to what the website does
charred dagger
<@330171991359225859> edge does not support AVIF
Seems strange that edge doesn't support it when it's built on chrome 
edge be weirdos
daring gale
and it will fallback to webp for outdated browsers
yeah it has no reason to not support avif but remember edge is made by the same people who made internet explorer and windows
charred dagger
True 
daring gale
so be patient with those guys
charred dagger
Probably turned it off for the lols
daring gale
ffz conflict for the emote menu is likely
woeful stirrup
Imagine a bttv spy joined stage testing to introduce conflict 
daring gale
Yes
naive hatch
night franticly submitting shit code 
daring gale
the only purpose of edge is for downloading a better browser
deft tangle
Hmm...well I was gonna switch to Firefox when manifest v3 hit, but that seems to have been shitcanned
daring gale
mv3 is still going to hit , google only delayed it by a few months
deft tangle
I heard it was indefinite
naive hatch
wait what is this mv3 everyone is talking about? the adblocker apocalypse or something?
deft tangle
Kind of
daring gale
i guess they saw just how many popular extensions are refusing to update
and theyre like
naive hatch
oh shit big w then! I was about to actually become a productive member of society if i had to watch ads
charred dagger
oh shit big w then! I was about to actually become a productive member of societ...
back into the basement you go
naive hatch
@daring gale for what one frogs opinion is worth. being able to @ people in chat/tab complete names would be big for the next release. its the one thing I feel most people cant live without
woeful moth
Yo! Excited to test out the new version of the chat client, running off of Brave Browser (to my surprise of it mentioning may not work, it worked)
But I found a bug immediately going from one user that has 7TV channel emotes to another user that doesn't have 7TV, the previous user's emotes still show up. The same happens to the other emote platforms as well.
charred dagger
Yo! Excited to test out the new version of the chat client, running off of Brave...
Known bug and will be fixed 
woeful stirrup
maybe we should pin the known issues so that it wont be reported multiple times
charred dagger
maybe we should pin the known issues so that it wont be reported multiple times
I know from babysitting #help-old. people wont read it
peak shuttle
They're in stage notes, no?
peak shuttle
Ah
dull siren
in the emote tab, some of the channels where im subbed to miss some emotes (where is the dancing elis 
)
woeful stirrup
sorry to break it for you, but your elis doesnt dance
woeful stirrup
see?
dull siren
woeful stirrup
in the emote tab, some of the channels where im subbed to miss some emotes (wher...
seems like no animated emotes
no dancy and spinu
dull siren
yeah, and on some channels i only have the animated ones
woeful stirrup
how about refresh
dull siren
only animateds
woeful stirrup
have you refreshed?
dull siren
i tried that but will try again
woeful stirrup
or even ctrl-f5
dull siren
still the same
woeful stirrup
yea no animated for emotes for me too (moonmoon and crumpet)
Known issues:
- Past visited channels stays in the side tab of 3rd party tabs
- Twitch emotes not displayed properly (no animated, channel point unlocked, bit emotes, etc)
- Does not work on Edge (bc of no AVIF support)
follower emotes work tho, that's nice
but i think it should also shows locked emotes for channels you havent subbed to
charred dagger
dull siren
yeah, and idk if people liked the sub button that you have on ffz menu, 
with all the tier
the chat settings miss the close and go back button 
woeful stirrup
the chat settings miss the close and go back button <:elisSit:911809855378059335...
not for me
dull siren
woeful stirrup
u got other addons?
y the radio button red
charred dagger
woeful stirrup
oh
dull siren
so with ffz no buttons
woeful stirrup
lemme test that
dull siren
it seems
woeful stirrup
still fine with ffz on
hollow geyser
Problems I noticed with twitch emotes in menu (dev_2):
- Not displayed:
- follower emotes
- tier 2 and 3 sub emotes
- animated emotes
- twitch unlocked emotes for event without own category
UPD:
- follow emotes displayed if no sub
- the "channel_points" category does not have a streamer avatar
dull siren
bits emotes also it seems
still sigil
is it just me or do the emotes now show up for anyone else? 
woeful stirrup
Have you refreshed after your first installation?
empty dawn
Would be great if in the twitch tab emotes of the current channel would be at the top instead of alphabetical order.
shell schooner
sub emotes should be prioritized imo
it gets really messy if you have emotes from other twitch events
too many categories
shell schooner
maybe merging some of the twitch categories would be helpful
like the overwatch ones for example
empty dawn
Everytime I type @ to tag another user, it opens the emote menu of the plugin. While I'm typing my message, the message is also used as a filter for shown emotes in the menu. When I send the message, everyone besides me can see it (I can see it in chatterino as well) Message seem to appear, tested a bit more.
empty dawn
Also my own messages sometimes need 5+ seconds to appear in chat after pressing enter, which lead to the false conclusion that some of my messages aren't shown at all
livid fern
Emotes overlap too much I think
Don't know if it's like that in normal twitch
Clyde is blocking the picture
Mosaics look weird
Because of that
Also recently added emotes I don't think they show up
Chatterino
7tv 3.0
inner sorrel
everytime i use colon completion the emote menu opens
also the emote menu is bussin
btw i cannot see any 7tv emotes
with and without ffz
does this matter
daring gale
looks like a null access somewhere
daring gale
inner sorrel
oh i know what went wrong 
i forgor to remove the old version before installing the new one
daring gale
sure
finite monolith
ok
finite monolith
also
any way to fix emotes not loading
time to hide the chat i guess
feelsbadman
inner sorrel
btw opening the emote menu on ctrl is a TERRIBLE idea
finite monolith
oh yeah
that's super annoying
i tried to ctrl + printscreen with sharex
but you can't do that
because of it
still sigil
Have you refreshed after your first installation?
eternal iron
Is this on firefox?
eternal iron
Edge supports avif right?
daring gale
No
finite monolith
daring gale
Edge does not support avif
finite monolith
ok i guess i'll have an excuse to switch to a better browser
daring gale
finite monolith
i guess it's time to go back to ungoogled chromium
oh thats very based
niice it works
ok the chat feels much more responsive
very nice 
polar magnet
i guess it's time to go back to ungoogled chromium
oh no
I forgor about that happening
manifest 
finite monolith
how did that remind you
polar magnet
Chrome is removing manifest v2 support after new years IIRC
which will break a lot of adblocking capabilities
I use uBlock Origin to block more than ads though
I think Ungoogled Chromium is one of the forks that will retain it
but I could be wrong about that
finite monolith
shrug
unkempt hill
they will probably try but that kind of shit is an up hill battle
finite monolith
as much as i dislike the brave people brave will 100% be one of the browsers which will still have an adblock
daring gale
mv3 enforcement is indefnitely delayed
however
u cant create mv2 extensions anymore
that has been the case for almost a year now
its actually making me reconsider whether to update 7tv to mv3
because then it seems we're just gonna be locked out of features
finite monolith
i mean
besides it being a protest
i think it depends on the amount of functionality that will be lost
daring gale
for us we lose no immediate functionality
however
it would be nice to allow loading addons externally
similar to ffz
finite monolith
7tvbrowser
daring gale
but afaik with mv3 this is either not possible or more complex
odd bone
testing on a mac laptop pagman
does it load 7tv badges yet
also seems to potentially limit/remove the delay on a laptop
which would normally be at like 6-9 seconds or worse - where you'd have to degrade the quality to watch the stream if the chat moves fast
empty dawn
Clicking on links in chat opens them in the same tab, instead of a new one.
inner sorrel
i noticed that emote popouts dont show, prob cuz of ffz
odd bone
why does the emote section load from bottom to top as you scroll
although i like the emote menu itself
odd bone
yeah the delay seems to be non-existant
for a mac using the extension
held a 3s delay for the past almost 2 hours
would mean that modding is now probably more viable on a laptop then it used to be which is good
eternal iron
Wdym that it loads from the bottom?
The next version will have an interactionobserver that dynamically loads/unloads them anyway, so shouldnt matter anymore
odd bone
like if you scroll down on the emote list
the emotes at the bottom load before the top
screen recording on a mac is kinda ass but ill show you if you want
polar magnet
screen recording on a mac is kinda ass but ill show you if you want
Mac OS comes with a built-in screen recorder now though
the "Screenshot" app, I believe
So yeah, the control key thing needs to go
odd bone
it does help quite a bit with viewing on mac/laptop so thats a + for me
cause when i used to mod on a laptop i was watching a 160p stream delayed at 6+ seconds
left it running since nymn's award show earlier and only went to a 6 second delay after roughly 7.5 hours
so i was able to watch a 1080p stream at 3 second delay for 7.5 hours
im curious on the delay between native + ffz and the extension with ffz
although i think anatole posted that somewhere
polar magnet
it needs chatterino's ability to see when your message actually sends
i.e. not do the "fake send" that native chat does
If you fake send a message, it still doesn't let you send the same message for 30 seconds. It's so stupid
It's a client-side check for duplicate messages
odd bone
polar magnet
Chatterino's method of sending duplicate messages usually works for bypassing this
but not in all cases
odd bone
It would benefit me quite a bit since I still use native + ffz to mod
have had to use chatterino only recently cause of the automod bug
eternal iron
screen recording on a mac is kinda ass but ill show you if you want
Cmd + shift + 5 to screen record
polar magnet
mac os x had cmd + shift 3/4 since the beginning (afaik) and IMO it has always been better than windows' method
and even most linux methods
the 5 is new, and just opens the screenshot UI so you don't need to remember the shortcuts
or record video
but the ability to choose (via adding a control key) whether or not to save the screenshot to the clipboard or a file is super useful
unkempt hill
it needs chatterino's ability to see when your message actually sends
i guess we could do that but its kinda dank
the way chatterino does it, is by two connections
they open one for write and one for read
because irc doesnt loopback your own messages
so theres no way to know if it actually sent through except to have another conn
polar jackal
I don't think the new version is working with me
quasi carbon
Can't wait for the firefox version
polar jackal
"The native twitch chat is completely overridden"
It's the same here
And there isn't even a 7tv button
quasi carbon
If you see 7tv emotes it's working just fine.
unkempt hill
it looks the same just better
polar jackal
Yeah I see it
unkempt hill
but its a rewrite
it uses no visual components from the native chat
except for some message types (most right now)
unkempt hill
easy test
go into a fast chat
and see if its shitty and laggy or if you can actually scroll
if you can its working
quasi carbon
@unkempt hill since i have a melon pc does this rewrite fix the issue with fast chats making the video buffer?
unkempt hill
<@727399831177265232> since i have a melon pc does this rewrite fix the issue wi...
it probably does
not tested
but its magnitudes faster
react is actually super bad for this
vue isnt neccissarily great either but its much much beter
quasi carbon
Yea thats gonna be pretty sick if so.
unkempt hill
what react is doing, which is partially twitchs fault
is literally rerendering all messages
every message
and then checking to see if they changed
and then discarding the parts that didnt change
(but it still calculates them)
quasi carbon
smart 😄 seems really efficient
unkempt hill
vue sort of does the same thing but its more efficiant
instead it just checks against some strings
instead of recalculating each and every message
polar jackal
Yeah it seems faster
unkempt hill
also the other parts of the extension should be magnitudes faster than other extensions as well
polar jackal
I opened another browser without 7tv and the messages where late
unkempt hill
the current state of the art for twitch extensions (Which usually just copy eachother)
is quite bad
and inefficiant
up to 40x faster
for some things
quasi carbon
Very cool. Thank god for some schmart people.
thick reef
im on opera whats next
quasi carbon
I think you're set. Just go to twitch and open the emote menu to see it's changed.
thick reef
I dont think it's working as intended cause no chat and no 7tv icon
quasi carbon
Looks like you need to disable ffz
And you wont see a 7tv icon on this early build.
woeful stirrup
i think the ffz issue is fixed,
but yea try turning it off and see what happens
shell schooner
there is no 7tv icon in this build cause the settings menu doesnt exist yet
the only visible change is the emote menu
daring gale
entitlements
daring gale
I dont think it's working as intended cause no chat and no 7tv icon
did you download dev_1 or dev_2?
the issue with ffz is fixed in the second build
unkempt hill
4 characters 😭
daring gale
wdym
unkempt hill
😭 lost to a typo
i was actually shocked when I saw it
I almost didnt want to test it
like wait
thats not supposed to be there
i was literally trying random shit that made no sense to try but maybe it would work
but not actually reading what the code said
daring flare
I assume you know about the sub/gift sub issue and that timestamp doesn't work?
deft tangle
So since you guys are completely rewriting the chat, can you make it so i can see chat logs when i click a username like on chatterino? A super major feature that is missing from FFZ chat and would make 7tv chat super pog
thick reef
did you download dev_1 or dev_2?
went to the one on the link
daring gale
which link
naive hatch
So since you guys are completely rewriting the chat, can you make it so i can se...
100% love this idea. its the only reason I leave chatterino running in the background. I think BTTV offers that option as well but aint no way im enabling that dogshit! hopefully Anatole likes it as well!
deft tangle
100% love this idea. its the only reason I leave chatterino running in the backg...
I don't think they do
Bttv that is
naive hatch
really? I swear one of them showed limited log info 
oh well not sure what I was thinking of then
quasi carbon
Kinda like the scrollback on ffz but sort for whatever user? Since storing messages would probably be unreal. But history from when you joined or something seems realistic.
naive hatch
yeah like chatterino I think only keeps the most recent messages pretty briefly iirc
odd bone
I would like to test the moderation as it relates to dev 2 today
so Ill use my mac to see how it functions as compared to normal
should be pretty pog
unkempt hill
really? I swear one of them showed limited log info <a:Thinkge:97809058892050845...
ffz used to
but not anymore
not for a while they havent anyways
naive hatch
ahhh thank you! I knew it was a thjng for awhile from somewhere!
odd bone
@unkempt hill you would know this
do you remember the times when FFZ used to show who timed out a specific person and for how long
unkempt hill
yeah that wasnt that long ago
it used to show them next to the message instead of (Deleted)
but that was like
2 years ago
not that long
inner sorrel
the slowmode thing goes above the ''x new messages''
polar jackal
loved the new ping
any way to make you choose pings like chatterino?
idk if im dumb or smth, but i did not find the channel emotes in the emotes buttom
i mean when you are not sub
i like to see the sub emotes in channels im not subbed too
polar jackal
inner sorrel
bill gates microsoft whoever the fuck
fix yo shit
wait its working in all channels but https://www.twitch.tv/btmc
can anyone test it out to see if it works there
polar jackal
can anyone test it out to see if it works there
working here
polar jackal
basically 
@inner sorrel does he have any added emotes or only the global ones?
ok it stopped working in every channel for me 
only global emotes are working
the one's that were working stopped when I F5
inner sorrel
<@317419775343067136> does he have any added emotes or only the global ones?
he has added emotes
polar jackal
so not working 
And I didn't like this
It only shows the badge time, not the actuall sub time
unkempt hill
https://f.feridinha.com/JI0j6.png
@daring gale this is doable right?
i never looked actually
at what data we get for badges
ik in irc its there
<badge-level>/<months>
nocturne juniper
i like new extension
half grove
upbeat ice
with the new extension i dont see any 7tv sub badges (Using Opera GX with CHrome extension addon)
empty dawn
with the new extension i dont see any 7tv sub badges (Using Opera GX with CHrome...
- Cosmetics V3 & Personal Emotes are not part of this test build, but will be part of the next.
inner sorrel
https://f.feridinha.com/V1GNb.png
ghile subs
daring gale
feeling cute, might drop a new build later
overhauled all of the background worker code, moving the dank networking system to shared workers
@eternal iron @unkempt hill https://github.com/SevenTV/ExtensionV3/pull/23/commits/482da856a6b0205489ab9c73153bd49efa8237e8
aintnoway
much cleaner now
eternal iron
nice
polar jackal
chat is broking piece by piece
channel rewards doesn't work now
and if you stay too much time in the chat the "boxes"(dont know how to call them, the things that show emote names and badge details) stop showing
daring gale
- rewards are not supported at all
- tooltips don't work in theater mode
polar jackal
subs and resubs aren't supported too
daring gale
we do a little bit of verbose logging
quasi carbon
Fix it forever rite naowe
unkempt hill
we do a little bit of verbose logging
why do you generate a random number for a symbol
daring gale
<:ApuArt:903795733889712199> why do you generate a random number for a symbol
not sure it was just a string at first then i switched it to a symbol and i guess forgor to remove the rand
daring gale
ok new build inc
in like 20 mins ish
this one should feel much more stable, maybe
this is hopefully the second to last dev build before beta begins
midnight bison
Should the new extension work with the Edge browser (if I'm not mistaken it's chromium-based)?
daring gale
yes but the emotes won't appear because edge doesn't support avif
new build will have fallback to webp for old browsers (edge firefox etc)
midnight bison
yes but the emotes won't appear because edge doesn't support avif
I installed it as written in the guide and enabled the extension, but it still doesn't work 🤔
daring gale
what doesn't work?
midnight bison
When I turn on the twitch nothing changes
daring gale
then it prob isnt installed properly but also beware it wont really work on edge until the new build i'll drop in a minte
emotes would show as broken images on build dev2
@unkempt hill does firefox support mv3 yet
or do i need to provide a mv2 build
or any firefox experts feel free to answer
daring gale
alright then this biuld should work on firefox
finite monolith
oh awit
"Mozilla plans to launch support for Manifest V3 extensions in Firefox 109, which it aims to release on January 17, 2023"
daring gale
ok sec
unkempt hill
but not used
finite monolith
the firefox website forsenPossessed
unkempt hill
firefox addons are super weird
with the signing shit
like you can actually distribute your addon
yourself
daring gale
in #stage-notes should work
unkempt hill
on your own site
it just needs to be analized and signed by mozila
but it doesnt need to be distrobuted on amo
they even built a cli tool
that just auto signs it after they scan it
daring gale
yea i mean just import it as a temp addon or w/e
daring gale
ngl i dont fully understand why browsers feel the need to police extensions
like why not also police all downloads then
doesnt make sense really
finite monolith
i feel like policing extensions should only be done for the official extension stores
that's just common sense
its not like you're gonna download an extension from some random website and then complain to mozilla that your discord account got hacked
daring gale
exactly
daring gale
fleet berry
In the browser console as well as in the network tab no requests from/to 7tv at all 
daring gale
In the browser console as well as in the network tab no requests from/to 7tv at ...
get the second file i sent
daring gale
read the notes lipton
fleet berry
get the second file i sent
ahh.. thx 
shell schooner
the username colors are uglo 
daring gale
wdym? do you just mean no paints
shell schooner
its supposed to be this color
teal knoll
i think most people will rock paints more anyways 
maybe thats me
teal knoll
hey
daring gale
why not?
teal knoll
exactly
daring gale
finite monolith
i'm gonna file an antitrust lawsuit
teal knoll
we need some way to pay for the website and backends
teal knoll
teal knoll
fixed
finite monolith
that does look like a shadow
shell schooner
nah
shell schooner
i feel like i also see a slight dark shadow under usernames <:Susge:888573531468...
okay i was tweaking with this one, the usernames look the same with no extension
finite monolith
the color normalization does look a bit different
daring gale
@torn geode can u send screenshot w/ console and verbose logs on
torn geode
Still no icon tho
daring gale
what icon?
torn geode
Yes
daring gale
ok then it works
torn geode
shell schooner
i hope its not the final design of the menu 
daring gale
can u show logs at verbose level so i can check if firefox loads the same
torn geode
Emotes working
torn geode
can u show logs at verbose level so i can check if firefox loads the same
Yeah hold on
finite monolith
i hope its not the final design of the menu <:kek:1017223986259701871>
it doesn't look too bad to me?
shell schooner
the black lines are distracting
finite monolith
oh that yeah
shell schooner
it looks bugged
daring gale
its supposed to be different but i messed up the styling i think, theres a PR pending to fix it i havent merged yet
torn geode
can u show logs at verbose level so i can check if firefox loads the same
Where do I turn on verbose mode? Or just in the dev console?
fleet berry
can u show logs at verbose level so i can check if firefox loads the same
firefox loads perfect 
finite monolith
fucking ugly ass bttv icon
not false
daring gale
Where do I turn on verbose mode? Or just in the dev console?
just make sure "debug" is ticked on
finite monolith
ux/ui cucks malding
teal knoll
here we go again
daring gale
i made logging ultraverbose so it shows every step of everything lule
finite monolith
(i'm a designer too don't attack me)
shell schooner
remove bttv
shell schooner
flat, filled, no colors
daring gale
what about it is different
finite monolith
1 outline icon, others are filled
shell schooner
and only twitch has colors
shell schooner
the text is too thin
finite monolith
hmm
torn geode
can u show logs at verbose level so i can check if firefox loads the same
I quickly cut out most of unrelated, maybe some 7tv stuff but I think no
shell schooner
maybe its just because its right next to big icons
torn geode
BTTV icon looks kinda meh because it's a sharp contrast to much more detailed icons nearby (FFZ and 7TV) and has a bigger size/scale
It's feels "out of place"
Not inline with the style of other icons
imo
finite monolith
i mean yeah
also
the colored twitch icon gave me an idea of coloring the icons when they're selected
torn geode
the colored twitch icon gave me an idea of coloring the icons when they're selec...
Ah yes, my favourite, a pain in the ass for almost no payoff 
But true
opaque karma
just based on the emote selector in the screenshot i think it's fine. Doesn't need the background colours separated though but I like it over the old selector
finite monolith
the first thing it makes me think of is the discord emote selector
daring gale
what do you guys think about the chat input box itself being the search bar for the emote menu
finite monolith
ew
daring gale
did you actually try it though
finite monolith
yeah
shell schooner
maybe a toggle in the settings
opaque karma
nah someone might type something up then want to add an emote so rather leave the message box untouched
finite monolith
^
torn geode
Should the Firefox build support animated emotes? @daring gale
daring gale
yeah it should be falling back to webp
torn geode
It doesn't in the colon search "dropdown"
eternal iron
nah someone might type something up then want to add an emote so rather leave th...
It dosnt filter before youve typed after opening it
opaque karma
yeah but i hides what you've typed
eternal iron
no
shell schooner
also auto scroll to emote sections is usually bugged when you click on the vertical buttons
it just stops halfway
torn geode
yeah it should be falling back to webp
It doesn't in the colon search "dropdown"
Also the "dropdown" colon search overall is meh because doesn't support non-positional search or fuzzy search
Can't even type "leave" and get "peepoLeave"
torn geode
A killer for me, I use colon search to type without mouse
Tabbing without the colon doesn't show the emote so it's ~partial solution
The colon search is the best keyboard-oriented solution imo
finite monolith
yeah
shell schooner
colon enjoyers 
finite monolith
daring gale
ill fix colon complete
torn geode
just replicate the chatterino behaviour
"Just replicate X behaviour"
Yeah, like that's so easy
If only
finite monolith
that's why i put 
torn geode
Also I'm still not clear on emote priorities and stuff between FFZ, BTTV and 7TV
Would be good if that was in the API docs too
Apart from the API docs themselves ofc
daring gale
i'll probably be making a push to finally implement override flags
torn geode
Whenever they arrive 
shell schooner
also where are you gonna put emojis
torn geode
i'll probably be making a push to finally implement override flags
More work on my end 
daring gale
probably in a 5th tab, as like a 🙂 icon without text
daring gale
not possible, new extension has NO bugs
finite monolith
global emotes with the same name are prioritised over channel emotes with the same name
naive hatch
true it wasnt in the patch notes. it has to say added: bugs 
torn geode
The colon search menu kinda 
rn
eternal iron
Emote menu displays all emotes, the autocomplete uses the emotemap, which only allows for 1 emote per name
shell schooner
yeah the tooltips need to be smaller and have a thin grey outline
daring gale
speaking of emojis my lord thats gonna be a pain to implement
finite monolith
yeah
finite monolith
yeah the tooltips need to be smaller and have a thin grey outline
yep i have the css for that in a git stash
shell schooner
torn geode
emojis are so hard to do in an efficient way
twemoji?
torn geode
Doesn't it have an SVG version? 
that could be fast
daring gale
twemoji as the emoji theme is fine
eternal iron
Do you think this could be caused by uiscrollable? @daring gale
daring gale
it seems like other scrolling elsewhere affects it
eternal iron
yea
daring gale
might be a browser thing, not sure
daring gale
Doesn't it have an SVG version? <:FeelsDankMan:661012706752462875> that could be...
the tokenization of emojis i mean
is what is slow
eternal iron
I think i had the same when in a chat that scrolled constantly
finite monolith
emojis 
daring gale
it's omegaultragigasuperaids
torn geode
the tokenization of emojis i mean
Ohhhh
Just leave it to UTF?
Unicode will figure it out 
But then it's not a unified experience
finite monolith
daring gale
just do make format
unkempt hill
emojis are so hard to do in an efficient way
we can just parse the unicode data files
finite monolith
oh thank fuck this works on windows
daring gale
unkempt hill
and their :smiley_face: names
daring gale
its fucking dank
finite monolith
unkempt hill
also
daring gale
finite monolith
