💬│palia-discussions

[frank peak]

Yeah that was what I was trying, its very unique

[mystic gale]

No, but having it not be segregated would. If people are all in different yell zones they’ll be afraid of what they’re missing in the others. It’s just player nature.

[dreamy spoke]

I didn't even play AC - no switch - but I swear everyone was playing that game

[frank peak]

I think Palia could bring in a lot of new gamers

People who arn't usually into games

[wispy wyvern]

I am honestly not sure what you are going for now.

[celest maple]

There was a ton of players on it

[lone thunder]

Nope, as I said, a new server will only be made when the previous one is full. When people leave from the previous server, people will just spawn there again until its full.

[stray prism]

Yeah it released during the pandemic boredom sweet spot

[dreamy spoke]

yeah exactly

[lyric ether]

a lot of people do play but it still appeals to a rather specific crowd. It's not as huge or diverse of a group as other genres.

[faint dawn]

Obviously your not gwtting wjat i am saying..

[lone thunder]

I see, could you give an example?

[dreamy spoke]

I really think you're underestimating the "casual" gamer genre/group

I think it's far, far larger than almost any other genre lol

[sour gorge]

They haven’t given us any information on how servers work other than you dont select one

[dreamy spoke]

just like phone gaming is HUGE

[celest maple]

This makes no sense because there is an ass load of players that play AC, probably more than there is current MMO players and BR players

[dreamy spoke]

PC master race folks just like to think they're the biggest 😂

[lone thunder]

I'm purely going off of what is most realistic and logical to do.

[dreamy spoke]

and this comes from someone who exclusively plays PC

[tired trench]

This

[mystic gale]

Just saying I think the reason people on FF all congregate in Ul’dah or Limsa is because it’s natural for them to all go to one social hub they perceive as the busiest. On Crystal you see the same phenomenon cross-server: they all port over to Balmung when they want to socialize. If people are hanging out in distant housing areas, even without instancing, they are separated from each other.

[sour gorge]

I honestly think it’s going to be like eso.

[faint dawn]

Palia is going to be huge.. at tje start everyone might be in the same place...

Lets assume the server is always full..

When people start going seperate ways.. some fishing, some mining, some hunting.. it'll start to look more empty...

[stray prism]

PFFF I hate that I was about to say how weird it is that phone gaming is so huge... as a PC gamer 🤓

[dreamy spoke]

great minds and all that

[lone thunder]

ah like that, well, you will still find people everywhere :p

[frank peak]

I dont play on phones o - o;

[dreamy spoke]

I actually lol'd

[sour gorge]

I think there will be a hub people hang out in though. Perhaps the town shown in the trailer perhaps another town. But there will be a hub of some kind

People always gravitate towards one specific place lol

[shrewd fiber]

if my experience with MMOs has taught me anything, it's that there will always be people AFKing somewhere.

[mystic gale]

Yep

[lone thunder]

Could you elaborate?

[dreamy spoke]

storytime Pog?

[faint dawn]

Itll be that village yes because thats where the home instance is..

[shrewd fiber]

and then people will gather around the AFKers, and start talking.

[mystic gale]

And so with that in mind I think we won’t lose anything by having our houses instanced

[wispy wyvern]

But that doesnt in any way answer or oppose what I suggest.

You're houses are in separate parallel spaces, you are still not together. There's a tangible barrier beyond distance that get's in the way. You have to make a physical in game effort to visit someone beyond walking down a street.

[faint dawn]

People are like to gather around the thing closest to the home instance..

[lyric ether]

i mean yeah, it's really hard to not afk when your an adult with a very active life. maybe a baby is crying, or you got wife aggro, a phone rings, or heck you have to use the restroom

[shrewd fiber]

i meant the kind of people who chronically afk, but yeah, I get you

[dreamy spoke]

that sounds like a lot of work

I just mute all the channels lmao

[faint dawn]

One thing i noticed from homes being instanced.. from the trailer.. that i dont think there is a load screen from inside to outside the home..

[frank peak]

Im going to do somthing else now other than stare at this chat and try and keep up

[mystic gale]

Right, and I’m just saying it’s unlikely people would actually spend time hanging out in those neighborhoods for that reason. No one wants to hang around outside their house in case someone happens to wander by, they want to be in the thick of things.

[wispy wyvern]

In UO, old example I know, we had houses pitched up wherever. And while folks did congregate at taverns or inns and social hubs they also went out to visit folks.

[lone thunder]

Ah I see, a masochist 🤣

[dreamy spoke]

I'm pretty sure they said there would be no load screens, yeah

[lyric ether]

oh the ones that are like brb smoke break every 5mins

[wispy wyvern]

but that's the thing, if you don't offer a good alternative then there's no reason to. and in a Combat centric game of course you want people to congregate where the auction house is, or the quest givers, or the trainers.

[burnt fulcrum]

See you in 4 hours, Mira

[faint dawn]

There was a window in the trailer.. like an actual window..

[mystic gale]

That would be great if true, but it’s hard to say since they could have just cut out anything that would represent loading and probably would have

[regal swallow]

AFK Village

[wispy wyvern]

It has worked in other games, and given half a chance it could work well here as well especially with the onus on community and personal housing.

[dreamy spoke]

you can't take stuff like that as any kind of real indication of how it will be in game, though, honestly. it's filmed in engine, but that does not mean it's actual gameplay

[mystic gale]

That stuff isn’t what draws FF players to the cities though, it’s mainly just shout chat and RP

[dreamy spoke]

they made that building to act as a "player house" it's not an actual player house

[lyric ether]

I will admit, seeing people AFK in a game you can't pvp will make me sad. Guilty pleasure i have in killing AFK players.

[celest maple]

Oh brother

[dreamy spoke]

that being said, I think they did confirm no loading screens though @faint dawn

[sour gorge]

ESO doesn’t have servers. You automatically phase in and out of servers depending on how low the population is. So if you are in a low population server it’ll move you to a more populated one

[lyric ether]

I live by the motto that AFK just stands for A Free Kill

[sour gorge]

Servers in like WoW servers where you select them

[mystic gale]

I’ll be happy to have a game where I can chill out and escape from people with that mentality

[dreamy spoke]

I mean if you AFK somewhere you can be killed that's on you lol

[regal swallow]

[lone thunder]

I see we meant the same thing, but ESO does it automatically I guess, instead of needing to go back to main menu and ingame again.

[lyric ether]

i just like to play in my head how they respond when they get back. All shocked that they died. granted i'm 99% sure what happens in life isn't as great as i picture in my head.

[faint dawn]

@dreamy spoke i can take anytgung as any indicationas i want! RAWWWRR jk

[wispy wyvern]

For all it's popularity and success, FF is still fairly niche though. And VERY heavily instanced.
I also think you underestimate how much rp'ers would adapt and choose something a little more organic. Frankly, it's not my personal ideal to be all stood around a giant crystal speaking in whisper and wearing a leopard print leotard with plate booties.

[dreamy spoke]

yeah, this is a quote from dev

Both outside and inside are instanced, but your friends can easily access your home if you wish for them to come over. There's no loading screen

[lyric ether]

AKA Everyone is vampires

you have to invite them in

[dreamy spoke]

pretty much

[wispy wyvern]

Almost every part of FF14 is instanced, every gate a zoning point. So of course people are forced to congregate.

[coral widget]

And that's why I like how on ESO you can turn pvp fighting cause being AFK killed to me ruins the game/experience.

[faint dawn]

I dont care if not everything i preceieve to be true.. but that one thing you do get right makes the theorycraft a worth it...

[lyric ether]

not a fan of ff14 personally. i hated that i had to wait in 30 minute queues just to get past the story line. #DPS Life

[mystic gale]

Nor mine, I’m just observing what people do. You can design a game that tries to force players to behave in the arbitrary ways you want them to, or you can design a game that facilitates the ways they want to behave. In what way is FF “niche”?

[celest maple]

Is it possible to have shared housing with someone? Like say you're an e-dater or a married couple, to be able to house together rather than having to visit one anothers house?

[faint dawn]

Bruh, furgus last night saw something in the palia trailer ill never... ever unsee again...

[celest maple]

Si quelqu'un souhaite rejoindre la Dobby Gang vener pv ou même pour plus d'informations

[dreamy spoke]

I mean, yeah that's fine, I just mean if you knowingly AFK somewhere you can be killed that's just silly. I don't have any problem if you can just turn it off before leaving

[lone thunder]

ESO was hugely disappointing to me. I could not get the enjoyment out of it. Its like they stripped all the good parts of the elder scrolls games, and made an MMO with the monstrosity left over

[wispy wyvern]

In that it caters to a niche.

Thing is, if you only give people a hammer to do a job then every job they do requires a hammer.

FF is all hammer.

[faint dawn]

Hard to explain..

[dreamy spoke]

you can't be like; "I can't unsee this, guys.. 👀 " and then not explain SMH 😂

[lone thunder]

yea

cm on >:[

[lyric ether]

when it comes to games with pvp i'll never understand the needing permission part. Like if someone is going to rob you they are not gonna stop and ask for permission to rob you. That isn't theft anymore, that's just borrowing things.

[dreamy spoke]

currently, no, but I think they plan to, or at least want to

[mystic gale]

I don’t really see how it is. There’s plenty of variety in FF in a number of areas both systematic and social. They gave the player base the tool to socialize the way you describe, but they don’t use it. The instances in no way stand in the way of people walking through neighborhoods and socializing, and socially aren’t any different in a functional way from yell zones.

[celest maple]

Called anti-griefing measures

[dreamy spoke]

or rather, in this alpha, no, they said

Land Share? In the alpha this won't be possible, no. You can visit a friend's plot and help them build their building though.

I would assume that means it's likely coming later

[celest maple]

And you don't really need permission unless you're on a roleplaying designated server? You can just KOS if you want their stuff

[lone thunder]

A good game with good well thought out systems does not need anti griefing measures.

anti griefing measures like invincibility are only made when there is a chance for griefing in the first place

it just shows incompetence

[lyric ether]

wouldn't go that far, but a lack of creativity maybe

[wispy wyvern]

It takes very very little to dissuade a person from action. If something is more hassle than it's worth 9 times out of 10 a person will take the easier route. Which in FF's case is sit around in the Di..Quicksand or similar.

I am not against hubs in any way, what I think stands in the way of proper community and organic interaction is unnecessary zoning and sharding of spaces.

FF's housing is separate, and very detached from the rest of the already very instanced world.

[eternal temple]

How many people allowed in your instanced home at one time I wonder 🤔 I want to throw house parties

[mystic gale]

World pvp is kind of by definition a “chance for griefing”

[celest maple]

At the end of the day, a player will find out a way to get around said measures eventually and I don't recall there ever being any "good game with well though out systems" that are open world to prevent that?

[dreamy spoke]

yeah, no idea. probably a decent amount tho

[ember swallow]

depends on the collision detection of our chars and your house size^^

[coral widget]

I find it to be pretty similar but then again I'm more of a casual player so I don't notice to much of the differences.

[lyric ether]

Rules for pvp never made sense to me really. you died why does it matter how you died. When you go to a pvp game that is kind of what you sign up for. Not that i'm into that very much. I rather dislike pvp most the time.

[peak quail]

≺(☉‿‿☉)≻ /)

[vagrant wagon]

Hi

[eternal temple]

It’ll just be a giant dance floor with a dj stand 🤣

[dreamy spoke]

I mean there's a big difference between like, pure anarchy PvP & different kinds of competitive PvP

[eternal temple]

Or maybe I’ll throw it in the barn

[lone thunder]

Players will always break things yes. Currently Star Citizen is a good example of amazing design, though that mmo is sadly still in an alpha state

[mystic gale]

It’s really not. You can walk to any of the housing wards from the hub cities without teleporting, within a minute. The only thing separating them is like a five second load screen. And longtime players barely notice those. It’s not that housing wards are isolated, they just don’t have the social potential that the cities do.

[vagrant wagon]

Weather am I right

[celest maple]

Yea star citizen does it good but the game won't be out until 2050 XD

[lone thunder]

yea..

[dreamy spoke]

too bloody hot here

Star Citizen OMEGALUL

[vagrant wagon]

Cool down with a warm bowl of soup.

[dreamy spoke]

soon.tm

[coral widget]

That is true, its just nice to have that option so that people who enjoy the whole pvp afk kill can enjoy that.

[lone thunder]

Ey, dont bully star citizen lol 🤣

[ember swallow]

honestly why not have something like that in a town, the party area

[celest maple]

What game has rules for PVP that isn't roleplay designated?

depends on what you mean by rules

[ember swallow]

that would be awesome, I will retire in that year and have to play it than

[eternal temple]

I could definitely work with this

[celest maple]

What the people were discussing in chat

[lone thunder]

I mean, bit offtopic. But Star citizens development is going pretty good currently.

I have high hopes

[wispy wyvern]

But it is. It's factually available to see. Loading, screens, teleports they're only different in terms of label and position.

The zones are separate, the wards are separate everything has an invisible travel wall.

I am not dumping on the FF community, I'm just saying it fosters a different kind of community and interaction. And how long you played a game shouldn't matter, long term players have gotten used to something. I could get used to walking on my hands if I spent enough time doing it but It's not mandatory.

[dreamy spoke]

disclaimer: I know like, nothing about Star Citizen, so don't take anything I say too seriously. I've just heard from many people it hasn't really gotten anywhere

[wispy wyvern]

That is a matter of much debate.

[proud sparrow]

I think you got Stockholm syndrome, just get elite dangerous.

[dreamy spoke]

KEKW

[celest maple]

Hey man 2% done out of 100% in a span of 6 years is still good!

/s btw

[lone thunder]

Star citizen and elite are different games though. For different audiences. Elite is too arcade for me

[eternal temple]

Did they say elves are a planned playable race? Or just humans

[dreamy spoke]

just humans

it's a big plot point that you play as a human

[bitter marten]

Ok star citizen arguably IS developing. They released a lot of stuff..... However "going well" is not how I describe a game without a complete alpha 4 years after it's advertised release date. Just saying.

[ember swallow]

in alpha only humans

[proud sparrow]

From what little i know, being human is a key plot point in palia

[ember swallow]

elves are planned

[mystic gale]

We’ll have to agree to disagree. You believe the instancing is a wall dissuading people from socializing in housing wards, but as a player since 2014 that isn’t my observation. Especially since the last patch when load times were all reduced. Players don’t care about the load screens, they just care about being where everyone else is. 🤷

[dreamy spoke]

elves are not planned

that was misinformation from a player, not a developer

(playable elves, anyhow)

[celest maple]

Playable robots when?

[lone thunder]

They practically re-wrote the entire game a few years in, this is why it is taking so long currently. With "development going good" I'm strictly taking about the last 2 years

[eternal temple]

I know I heard elves are in game but didn’t know if they considered them a playable character,

[dreamy spoke]

they're not

there are many races in the game. Only humans are playable

[eternal temple]

Ok thanks!

[wispy wyvern]

So how is my point suggesting a common shared space not in favour of people interacting?

[bitter marten]

And why wouldn't they need to rewrite again. They still haven't even got the whole game up and running yet and are working on individual segments. Again going well is a very strong term.

[ember swallow]

the information was once in the FAQ but was removed I think

[spice wyvern]

[proud sparrow]

From a lore perspective, diddnt humans vanish, and are just now appearing somehow, which is the explanation as to why every player in an mmo needs to start life from scratch

[dreamy spoke]

the FAQ (document) was also compiled by players, I was here yesterday when the guy who originally said it realised he made a mistake xd

but yeah it was spread around a lot that elves were gonna be playable

but it was a mistake

[proud sparrow]

Clip on elf ear cosmetic when

Its like being an elf, without being an elf

[bitter marten]

An unfortunate one. There are a lot of elf addicts out there that will be super disappointed

[mystic gale]

What do you mean? Of course Palia will have a common shared space: the hub town(s). But by definition player housing is all spread out because everyone can’t live in the same place.

[eternal temple]

Good idea ngl..

[molten bloom]

HI, community ❤️

[lone thunder]

They are still working on the backend, but they also need to get content in because it is a playable alpha currently.

They currently show exactly how many people are working on content for players, and the actual game.

The space ships for example, only a max of 2 developers work on them, while the company has many many more working on the backend stuff

[lyric ether]

humans only 😦 I'm going to quote a villian from another game here. How boring and small.

[dreamy spoke]

that being said, it hasn't been entirely denied that we might have other playable races later

[nova ember]

yo

[dreamy spoke]

but definitely nothing confirmed

[midnight lotus]

conspiracy theory here, what if the human race somehow found a way to travel to other worlds or dimensions and when they came back the world was completely different from when they left?

[regal swallow]

I rather them focus on the game than past human customization

[dreamy spoke]

yep, which is why I think it's unlikely we will get other playable races

it's a big plot point that you play a human

[bitter marten]

I can't wait to fish V_V

[mystic gale]

I just want to know if we’re the same humans as the ones who vanished, and what we know or remember about where we went and why

[lyric ether]

customization is an important part of a game though. I know people who spend hours in character creation, i'm one of them myself.

[bitter marten]

Tbh with the graphics in this game I doubt character creation will be all that diverse.

[brazen warren]

Afternoon! 💖

[eternal temple]

Hell ya..I gotta look good

[bitter marten]

Probably mainly focused on hair styles and base features.

[lone thunder]

Its not like this though :p

They are focusing on the game of course, but out of a team of lets say 40. you can put 1 person on the character customization and the rest of the game right? :p

[bitter marten]

Doubt we will see slider bars.

[lyric ether]

What no cyberpunk sliders? -giggle-

[midnight lotus]

imagine running a restaurant! damn that would be fun!

[bitter marten]

I hope you can run shops. Gonna be a fish merchant

[midnight lotus]

shops would be great

[regal swallow]

We can only hype

[eternal temple]

My character will be named Karen and I’ll need to speak to the manager

[regal swallow]

And craft

[gray mural]

We won't have sliders but we will have a lot of choices (probably not for pre-alpha) but they mentioned that character creation is important for them. Something normal for a social MMO

[lone thunder]

dont hype.. you will ruin your own experience

[mystic gale]

I think character customization will be hugely important in a game like Palia, and it seems like they’re trying hard to give us that.

[lone thunder]

dont set expectations, you will never be disappointed that way

[burnt fulcrum]

We do have the information that character customization will be something the devs focus on

[midnight lotus]

very true

[lyric ether]

you will also never be surprised.

[bitter marten]

I mean option based customization is already considered low at this point. Didn't say there wouldn't be a ton of options. I was just saying it seems unlikely to see the Skyrim mod/BDO style of customization. You won't need to spend half an hour deciding cheekbone height.

[dreamy spoke]

go here and scroll down a little to "character creation"

[midnight lotus]

and remember devs scope creep is a thing dont try and do everything everyone says at once. just get the stuff you have already planned for first! 🙂

[dreamy spoke]

that's all we know about customisation

[lyric ether]

living life without expectation is just as bad as living it with no emotions

[spice wyvern]

[lone thunder]

Ey, I follow star citizen development :p

I have the patience of a dead animal, and I am never surprised, like a dead animal

[wispy wyvern]

My point was that you have to take extra steps to see people, to be with people. OR spend time in your home. You say they minimised load times, I wonder why, could it be people don't want to spend their time being wasted by it? Without another viable alternative people will carry on and put up with almost anything.

I myself and I am sure many others would prefer not to have to go to an arbitrary central point to have gauranteed interactions. To be able to passively show off our home and for it to be welcoming and open and available beyond a small bubble.

For a town/neighbourhood to be really alive it needs that organic foot traffic. And as this is one of the main pillars of Palia I feel it's an essential aspect. You want a living, breathing world then you want as few barriers as possible.

[lone thunder]

Untrue, you can still be surprised without expectations.

being surprised just means something happened without you expecting it

[gray mural]

I disagree, with enough options you can have a more diverse characters than say BDO where 90% will look the same unless you are the 10% that spends hours on a character to make him unique. Aion is a good example (no sliders afair) just options to choose from

[burnt fulcrum]

I've been here for a couple of hours

[bitter marten]

The problem with open stuff is A) it takes a TON of space and it ends up where you have to waste time walking through 6 residential zones to get where you want to be, and b) you wind up with foot traffic only in specific places that are in-between popular areas. Instanced seems best imho.

[hybrid kite]

So when are they coming out with this game do they have a Date??

[lone thunder]

nope

[eternal temple]

Soon

[lyric ether]

i guess if you look at it that way, however it's still a very bland way of looking at things. things feel better when they exceed your expectations. but if you don't set any expectations you can never get that feeling.

[burnt fulcrum]

All we know about the date of the pre-alpha is Soon TM

[lone thunder]

stop with the lies you spoons XD

[wispy wyvern]

And that is a perfectly reasonable consideration.

[lone thunder]

For many people, the travelling between places is the fun part :p

[bitter marten]

And for others, we don't want to spend an extra 40 minutes every time we want to empty the fish out of our inventory.

[eternal temple]

I know they said they’ll have fast travel but I do hope it’s not that fast. I like a little bit of running

[sour gorge]

Wish I could go to sleep

[lyric ether]

in fairness it's easy to say you are going to go do something then get side tracked and not do that thing. Happens all the time when you play games....just 1 more quest, just 1 more quest...just 1 more....

[wispy wyvern]

So you have travel nodes. Problem solved.

[burnt fulcrum]

I did sleep! I put away my phone and fell asleep, then I woke up approx 7 hours later and fell asleep again, when I woke approx an hour after that, I fired up discord...

[hybrid kite]

Well thank you I will keep my eye out

[mystic gale]

Actually the reason why was the release of the PS5 client and some optimizations they were able to make across the board in the process. No one likes loading screens, but that’s very different from them actively discouraging gameplay.

The housing wards are plenty viable, I just think you’re misrepresenting the issue. Physical neighborhoods by definition means separation. Instance or no, there’s no way around that. You and me and Sagedurk might live in one neighborhood and Vlad and Shrew and Anastasia might live in another, and then Feks and Mamae and Embeded in a third neighborhood. You and I could walk over to neighborhood 2 to see what they’re up to, but then we’re still not a part of what’s going on in neighborhood 3. But actually there are hundreds of neighborhoods. Instances aren’t the issue, it’s the inability to be everywhere at once in that scenario.

[lyric ether]

when ever i want to fall alseep i just find something with ben stein in it.

[lone thunder]

Example: I love running cargo missions in star citizen, another MMO I play.

I literally fly in my space ship full of cargo from A to B, sometimes I cant even use my jumpdrive (fast travel) because my cargo will explode. I love those missions the most, because I can just sit in my space ship, listen to music, pilot between asteroids and fighting pirates along the way, knowing the 40 minutes I spend travelling will get payed out well.

[bitter marten]

Yeah if they have teleport nodes an open area residential district would be fine, but it seems unlikely they'll have node based travel in a game like this. Would be more likely they would just have autopathing at most, and then teleport gates.

Map travel is unlikely in this style of game.

[eternal temple]

He does have a relaxing voice doesn’t he

[regal swallow]

😁

[lyric ether]

that is one way to put it

[bitter marten]

Well the point is actual travel vs walking through a 8 mile district with nothing but player houses. I don't mind the travel, but housing districts are boring.

[regal swallow]

I'm glad I was included in an explanation thanks

[burnt fulcrum]

It will be easier to do it when my NFC tags arrive so my plan can start rolling, which should be tomorrow

[lyric ether]

i hope there isn't autopathing like there is in korean games. i really dislike that feature it makes it feel like i'm not even playing the game

[sour gorge]

Elite dangerous is better than star citizen :p

[lone thunder]

Its amazing, the space ships, unlike elite dangerous got a fully interactable and walkable interior, I sometimes go with my girlfriend and we just explore the ships together

[bitter marten]

To me it's hit or miss tbh. But I'd rather just have manual travel, and have the residential stuff instanced so it doesn't waste time.

[sour gorge]

Yeah I wish elite had that but at least you aint gotta spend real money on the ships

[stone oasis]

This is a social game but will it also feature combat?

[lone thunder]

They are different games, dont compare them

[lone thunder]

False info, you just farm them ingame

[sour gorge]

They are both space sims

[sour gorge]

It will eventually but it won’t be the focus

[lone thunder]

Star citizen focuses on realism and does not compromises. Elite caters to a more arcade experiece

[dreamy spoke]

there is hunting, and there will be more traditional combat added later. that being said it is completely optional, and there will be no HP bars, nor player death

[lone thunder]

again, different games

[glacial chasm]

Star Citizen focuses on bugs 😛

[bitter marten]

Ok "realism" focus in a game entirely composed of total scifi

[eternal temple]

I’ll want to do some combat

[hybrid kite]

Got it it seems alot to tackle so I understand it is cool and load screens are all bad for me I have poor internet but manage it playing wow with bad load screens

[lone thunder]

You can have realistic sci fi

[lyric ether]

not sure how you can have combat, didn't the FAQ say there will be no death

[sour gorge]

Eh I’m not going to argue with you. They are both in the same genre so you can compare them.

[lyric ether]

so how can combat even work without the risk of death

[bitter marten]

Just saying star citizen doesn't focus on realism. Realism would be your trip taking 8 generations to get to another star system at best.

[wispy wyvern]

But I have to choose to do it. I don't come across it by chance or because I'm exploring. I already know these people in your example.

As for the separation it's different. And that's the crux of my concern I guess. That these places exist in discreet bubbles, they're outside the world at large. In either example you'll never be everywhere at once and that's good, you want a large and interesting, multi-faceted world. (Or at least I do. If I wanted to play just the Sims, I'd play just the Sims, or Farmville).

Travelling to and from different neighbourhoods on foot, seeing the world between and enjoying it and accepting the challenges and opportunities is more engaging than "I press X to hop to bubble B".

[sour gorge]

We dont know yet

[eternal temple]

Good point 🤔

[celest maple]

What if u wanna die, in game?

[glacial chasm]

Star Citizen is basically WW2 in space

[lone thunder]

Elite is as wide as an ocean, and as shallow as a puddle. Star citizen is as wide as a puddle, but as deep as an ocean.

[eternal temple]

I’m glad you specified the “in game” part

[sour gorge]

Its not even out yet dude

[lone thunder]

I'm speaking of what we currently have ofcourse

you spoon

[sour gorge]

Lets just move on. All im saying is you can compare them and that’s it

[bitter marten]

@lyric ether they could just have combat be optional like in stardew. You never needed to fight. Only if you want.

[regal swallow]

#🎮│other-games ??

[tight linden]

I think this game is different from GI, doesn't it? 😅

[dreamy spoke]

not sure, it will be interesting to see. (devs on combat below)

Combat? We're not ready to get into detail on this yet, but we'll have both combat like systems, such as Hunting, and eventually more traditional combat. Like most of our skills, you'll be able to choose your level of participation in it.

[sour gorge]

Combat is optional. Its not the main focus of the game

[lyric ether]

yeah i saw that, but it also mentions no death later on. so it's a bit weird

[bitter marten]

Yeah so it's voluntary. There will be combat areas, and you can just avoid them if you don't want to be involved.

[dreamy spoke]

yeah, we'll have to see

[sour gorge]

There currently is no health or death but that could change once combat is added

[regal swallow]

If I can make stuff I will give it out to the community

[bitter marten]

They say you CAN play without risk of death. Never said there is never going to be a place where you could die.

[eternal temple]

Maybe zones that are specific for combat only where you can die but entering the zone you get a big pop up notification telling you that you’re about to enter a combat zone

[tight linden]

Imprressive

[dreamy spoke]

Character death? no death, or health even
devs on death^

[eternal temple]

But no dying elsewhere in game

[sour gorge]

They have said there is no health or death

[mystic gale]

I can understand why you’d want more personal and intimate social situations, and if you really want that FF and im sure Palia have options, and like-minded individuals who will share that desire with you. I just think that among the general population it’s their nature to congregate.

Also people on FF do the neighborhood prowling you describe but mostly it’s just to snoop people’s houses and how they decorated.

[eternal temple]

I’m confused then

[little field]

Yall argue about hp while we don't even know if there will be combat

[lone thunder]

Agreed, though I do recommend doing a small deep-dive on both projects. Maybe you'll change your mind :)

[bitter marten]

Oh the thing I saw they only said you wouldn't have to worry about dying.

Not a complete absence of the mechanics.

[sour gorge]

There will be combat it’s just not the main focus

[lyric ether]

Party size is currently 4 (this might be an error/not an important factor because of the above answer referring to it)
Character death? no death, or health even

[celest maple]

So we won’t be able to fight giant spiders in caves? 😦

[dreamy spoke]

yeah, I'm fairly certain there will just be no death. I have a theory about what combat will be, actually now that I think about it

[sour gorge]

We dont know that

[lone thunder]

No, spiders are yucky

[eternal temple]

I was hoping it would be an option

[burnt fulcrum]

having combat and no health system or death, does seem very odd. If there truly is no health nor death, what would be the stakes of combat?

[regal swallow]

Knocked out

[celest maple]

It would be nifty of you were to lose enough HP you become unconscious like in stardew lool

[eternal temple]

But we don’t know

[sour gorge]

But there is no health.

[dreamy spoke]

I wonder if they will incorporate martial arts or something similar as the "combat" system. that doesn't require death, or HP, even.

karate duels, anyone?

[upbeat patio]

Hello people^^

[wispy wyvern]

That's pretty high on the list yeah. I'm certainly expecting a lot from Palia. side eyes the devs

And I get I will admit very hung up over barriers to fun and accessibility. And FF's load screens and zoning drives me up the wall a bit. At the end of the day I am sure we can agree that we're here for social interaction and the less barriers to that the better, whatever form they come in.

[lyric ether]

i would say maybe you run out of stamina but i think they also covered there was no stamina when they talked about cutting down trees.

[regal swallow]

I wonder if there be choice consequences 😱

[sour gorge]

Why’s it matter if you dont get hurt by falling off a cliff. Its just a game.

[magic ore]

Considering there is Hunting.. I would have expected HP? Or a knockout system, instead of death. idk we all dont know lol.

[sour gorge]

Yeah its weird.

[celest maple]

I would like to fight pve monsters with the risk of dying so I choose to engage in that combat , would be pretty neat

[dreamy spoke]

no HP for players, or death for players, not other creatures it hasn't necessarily said

with hunting there must be death for animals

[sour gorge]

I’m expecting them to add health once combat is added

[magic ore]

All I know is I'm TOP CHEF and I will become the most known cook in Palia 😤

[regal swallow]

I want to be Shrew the Greeter

[dreamy spoke]

the quote specifically says "character death? no death, or health even"

[magic ore]

I don't need health bars, they disappoint me.

[sour gorge]

Yeah but that’s for pre alpha. We dont know if health will be added into the game later

[bitter marten]

That's my view. If you go to a hunting/duel/dungeon Area. You should be able to die. However you should also be able to get along just fine without ever risking that. That would be my ideal way of making people not have to worry about death, while also giving some options to people who enjoy challenges.

[celest maple]

If the game had progressive capabilities with animal taming over time to become pets or seasons based off of IRL, would be huge

[dreamy spoke]

I was pointing it out to emphasise the "character" part. they have not said animals have no health, or that animals cannot die, etc. they most probably will, with hunting

[mystic gale]

We’ll keep in mind that FFXIV 1.0 had little or no instancing—you could walk through Ul’dah and out into Thanalan and into the Shroud with no load screens—and it ran like ass as a result. XD There’s a reason they cut it up for ARR. sadly the engine doesn’t support some of the newer tricks they have for load-free zoning. But in all honesty with decent memory and a fast SSD the load times are pretty negligible.

[regal swallow]

Shrew: "Welcome to the Magical and Mysterious world of Palia. Watch your head with incoming gliders. And say hello to my fellow Einar by the pier. Good luck Adventurers!" 👋

[bitter marten]

Yeah hunting without killing animals might be weird.

[lyric ether]

S6 is like, we don't like that people get called no lifers, the solutuon is to make everyone have no life so technically everyone is a no lifer.

[wispy wyvern]

Words their weapon and general chat the field upon which battle is mete!

[lyric ether]

this is why you can't die.

you cannot kill that which has no life.

[gray mural]

I feel like some of you "bloodthirsty" gamers are in the wrong game discord xD

[bitter marten]

I think Palia has a strong chance of success. People want something to chill out (and fish) with.

[wispy wyvern]

Oh I was there in beta. I remember. I also remember the invisible walls and the horrific swingball crafting/gathering.

(Also kids, that how you have an hour long debate, while disagreeing, still maintaining your position without hurling insults)

[gray mural]

Maybe you get knocked out 😛 But wasn't talking about that ^^'

[bitter marten]

I'm fine with no fall damage. If the name of the game is relaxation then w.e.

[mystic gale]

Yeah, I honestly sometimes question whether they watched the same trailer I did

[regal swallow]

Waterfall cannonball jumping

[dreamy spoke]

I'm going to be honest - I'm totally happy with there being no combat being in the game. that being said I also enjoy combat, and from what I've seen the most aggressive people have been the ones who shout at anyone who even suggests that combat might exist, or have a place in the game lol. ya'll need to chill, it's already been said it will not be the focus

[gray mural]

Yep!

[bitter marten]

Leave the hardcore stuff to the dungeon areas. I'd they want to let me freefall off a mountain and walk away, I'm cool with it.

[eternal temple]

What about knocked up 🤔

[wispy wyvern]

For all it's faults Vanguard:SOH was a great concept, the three different ways to progress, Combat, crafting or social/political.

[gray mural]

Only if I'm not taking care of the baby xD

[wispy wyvern]

Aye, it was a hell of a transformation.

[eternal temple]

🤣

You guys are wild

[lyric ether]

i don't mind that there is no health, i just find it weird to have no health and combat at the same time. I don't understand how that works is all. Will be interesting to see how they make that play out though

[lament citrus]

I'm just excited for Thursday any confirmed news is good news

[lyric ether]

wouldn't call my curiosty bloodthirsty

[celest maple]

PVE combat would be nice though

[gray mural]

npcs? yes and another race from website pictures. playable? no, just humans...I didn't see the "procreate" somehow ... my bad

[bitter marten]

I think they're talking about the general who seemingly has issue with anything not being able to murder you.

[dreamy spoke]

oh yeah for sure, like I said, I enjoy combat, I think there should be some, but I recognise it's not the focus of the game

[mystic gale]

Like who watches that trailer and is excited enough by it to join the Discord and then is like, “Who can I KILL” XD

[foggy ingot]

can confirm

[mystic gale]

Hey I’m all for discussion, it’s just a weird vibe to pull from it imo

[wispy wyvern]

Much respect though @mystic gale I just hope in the end we're all happy 🙂

[celest maple]

The game has endless possibilities , it’s up to the devs to choose the rights ones 😈

[regal swallow]

My doors are open to everyone that want to visit! When I do get a house

[eternal temple]

How very specific

[narrow peak]

so what do you actually do in this game?

[bitter marten]

Do you have a fall damage fetish. Why is that such a make or break feature 🤣

[gray mural]

Did you play Sims? Animal Crossing? pretty much that is how it works

[dreamy spoke]

yeah, you're right. my current working theory is some kind of martial art system. that wouldn't require any kind of death, or even HP system. (first to a certain amount of hits wins, first to know other out of area etc.)

[lyric ether]

well I admit, I will be a bit dissapointed if I come across a wild wolf, lion, or other big cat and it doesn't try to rip my face off that will feel a little off. Had a hard time playing EVO because of that. It's just weird having things that should be aggressive just stand there looking silly

[rigid latch]

WELCOME PRESIDENT OF PALIA KINGDOM

[eternal temple]

House party?

[pearl ore]

Let's be honest, who hasn't wanted to kill Isabelle?

[delicate marten]

A bit of combat makes most games more enjoyable imo, Stardew does it well

[mystic gale]

You too!

[rigid latch]

hahaha

[bitter marten]

I'm also fine with the stardew method. Optional combat areas are hype.

[sour gorge]

I’ve been here

[rigid latch]

this server never old

[wispy wyvern]

Stardew has it well integrated in to the overall approach of the game. It really plucks at an old 8 bit gamers nostalgia glands.

[rigid latch]

wait 4 more year

[eternal temple]

Agreed

[bitter marten]

Why is it so bad if you are in creative mode outside of the combat areas?

[sour gorge]

There is just no combat in the pre-alpha which is probably why there is no health/death

[lyric ether]

what ever they do hopefully there is some sort of fail condition in combat, otherwise what even is the point if you can't fail.

[regal swallow]

Sure stay for as long as you all want

[eternal temple]

Stardew does it well for the amount of it compared to the rest of the game. But the combat in general is pretty trash

[bitter marten]

True. I'm complimenting the style of optional combat, bot it's mechanics.

[dreamy spoke]

there are plenty of ways to have a fail condition I think

[celest maple]

I would like to be punished and watch my health pool drop from drinking dirty water

[wispy wyvern]

It suits the style and theme of the game well though.

[bitter marten]

I'm just going to fish and let you murderhobo and survivalists do your thing >=>

[pearl ore]

Every community must find its cyclical arguments

[regal swallow]

Who wants to help me farm different fruits and vegetables for their alchemy?

[whole copper]

Fishing is murder, too lol

[bitter marten]

But it's tasty mirder

[regal swallow]

Yakmoo milk?

[celest maple]

So are humans

[whole copper]

HAHA

[bitter marten]

See this is why survivalists are concerning 0_0

[lyric ether]

well i mean, like i was saying before at this stage in development literally every conversation that is about the game will be cyclical. That is just what happens when there is limited conversations available. they play out and then they start cycling.

[wispy wyvern]

Without a fence of confirmed information the sheep of our ideas are bound to wander.

[eternal temple]

This saying made my heart flutter

I like it

[bitter marten]

Well I mean some aren't. We can probably safely assume that getting disease from dirty water and cannibalism won't be in the game

[wispy wyvern]

I dont know why or what it is but being here and excited for Palia makes me all wordy.

[pearl ore]

That's true, but in my experience there will be some arguments that remain in the cycle for the duration of the game's life

[lyric ether]

cannibilism lol, that was a super cyclical conversation in another discord i was in. one that we eventually got banned from even discussing because people found it disturbing that anyone would even want it.

[eternal temple]

It’s a good feeling isn’t it 🙂

[celest maple]

Some survival aspects to the game wouldn’t hurt, like having to eat and drink

[wispy wyvern]

Very much so, to be enthused about such a positive project and for the community as a whole to be so.. upbeat about it is great

[celest maple]

Otherwise what would be the use of farming?

[bitter marten]

I actually would like one thing for the survival nuts tho. Starving/dehydration. Kinda sucks for food producers/hunters if no one wants food.

[lyric ether]

can't have sweet n sour pork, without long pig.

[wispy wyvern]

Eating for benefits is good. Eating or you die, not so much.

[whole copper]

[bitter marten]

I'm fine with eating or debuff I'd they don't want death.

If they*

[celest maple]

What benefits can eating a tomato give though?

[whole copper]

delicious

[stone jay]

Why not do food similar to Valheim - Your 'stamina' is tied to the tier of food? >.>

[wispy wyvern]

Regular bowl movements and the ability to properly digest greens.

[bitter marten]

I'd rather it be debuffs if you aren't full, and buffs from higher grade food.

[celest maple]

I like this

[nova ember]

That's the only part I sincerely hate about that game

[lyric ether]

maybe valheim method if the food lasts longer then 5 minutes. that crap got old fast

[nova ember]

as well as the lack of teleportation with metal.

[celest maple]

Be able to make stew that increases your stamina or something along the lines

[stone jay]

Yeah, unless you had TONS of food stockpiled it got kinda... eh

[lyric ether]

there is no reason a person should eat a million calories of sausage.

[bitter marten]

It could also be that high grade food just restores more of the meter. That way there is still a reason to seek better food.

[celest maple]

Hopefully they add chickens we can eat 🤤

[eternal temple]

NO NOT CLUCKY

[bitter marten]

Mainly concerned about the food economy. Pretty important to my fish monger goals.

[eternal temple]

Don’t eat my Clucky

[sand barn]

Makes your tummy feel real nice

[lyric ether]

Presitige irl is a bit of a buff and eating expensive food plays into that.

[bitter marten]

Illuminate on how there are magic fish that you can't catch without higher grade skill, and I'll concede that the game is reality.

[willow cave]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hot-sauce-the-simpsons-taste-ahhh-gif-9212980

[forest hare]

hi@

[celest maple]

Grilled Chuu better be a thing

[sand barn]

Makes your tummy feel even nicer, there. Happy now?

Oops

I'm glad we have reached consensus

[eternal temple]

Can I be a foodie in game as I am irl

[lyric ether]

Reality in a game isn't a thing i understand that but it will still bug the living crap out of me if i have to eat 10000 calories of meat just to play the game. There is unrealistic, then there is just stupidly unrealistic.

[sour gorge]

What did I miss

[lament citrus]

Cooking contest

[bitter marten]

Then any fish in the game should be randomly catchable at the start. And random chance and gear should be more important than experience. I caught a shark in 1 month after I started fishing in reality, so progression doesn't make sense there either.

[pearl ore]

Consensus by declaration

[sour gorge]

Too early to think about food. Can only think about sleep

[bitter marten]

Not really. If someone tells you how to catch a fish, you can catch it easily.

[celest maple]

Are the chuu’s/chapaa’s mystical creatures in the lore?

[lyric ether]

i can't even eat 10 sausages without wanting to vomit, how on earth can my character eat 100 of things, not only able to but actually need to in order to keep a buff sustained lol.

[dreamy spoke]

as far as I know they're just like squirrels lol

[sour gorge]

9am here. Been up since 5:30

[bitter marten]

We don't really have many fish that you need a decade of experience to catch. Literally just find out how big it is, what bait it likes, and go catch it.

[celest maple]

And will we be able to eat them for magical benefits?

[past creek]

i mean, if you fish you kill things too 👉 👈

[bitter marten]

Tasty mirder.

[celest maple]

Perfect , grilled chuu/chapaa

[eternal temple]

What about titles 🤔 like chef or master angler

[dreamy spoke]

Surnames or titles are a possibility, this may hinge on community feedback

[bitter marten]

Once again I've caught a shark after literally 2 days of prep and a total of 5 fishing trips. If you want realism. Tools and instruction are most of the equation. Experience is just icing.

[sand barn]

Consensus is consensus!

[dreamy spoke]

We definitely want players to stand out and feel they can play the person they want to play. We are really excited for things like emotes, titles, etc.

[pearl ore]

I concur

[lyric ether]

The important part about the entire realism thing is how much is reasonable to ask the player to have suspension of disbelief toward. Yeah fantasy setting so there is magic and all that, but at some point immersion will break.

[eternal temple]

I should probably read that FAQ again huh? 🤣

[dreamy spoke]

lmfao

[sand barn]

I paliacur

[dreamy spoke]

there is certainly quite a lot in there

[bitter marten]

Well what's the progression system for chefs? Tastier food that no one can taste? Removing buffs/better stamina increases removes the cooking profession.

[pearl ore]

You are very wise, like an old tree

[loud axle]

Oh so this is the new Ask the Team 🤣

[bitter marten]

That's why it can't be "real". If you don't want to lose a whole skill set.

[pearl ore]

I read that as elite coconut

[arctic onyx]

ATLA mmo when?

[sand barn]

All trees are wise, for they wear many rings

[eternal temple]

You make a good point ngl 🧐

[dreamy spoke]

👊 💪

[sand barn]

Elite coconut gon mess Palians up!

[arctic onyx]

ayo what lives?

[celest maple]

Has there been any mention of being able to go on a boat and sail around the ocean? Obviously limited by world borders or something

[loud axle]

I mean I wouldn't be surprised to see Dante Blasco playing Palia when it comes out, so... Close enough? :)

[arctic onyx]

pog

[loud axle]

There's one in the trailer with someone fishing but we don't know details about ocean travel yet.

[lyric ether]

maybe you need to offer specific foods to specific people to build relationships. I mean foods didnt give specific buffs in harvest moon from what i recall, yet there was a progression to it without buffs.

[pearl ore]

Then the seagulls gonna come, poke you in the metal plated coconut

[bitter marten]

Omfg I didn't even consider sailing. I am 400000% hyped for a feature no dev even breathed about.

[sand barn]

My coconut wears battle armor too! Got a nice viking helmet

[eternal temple]

Sailing would be lit

[digital willow]

is Palia a farming sim?

[loud axle]

Just watch out for Reaper Leviathans~ who knows what lurks in Palia's oceans 👀

[sour gorge]

It can be if you want to just farm

[sand barn]

You know what'd be lit? A campfire

[arctic onyx]

imma turn it into a nice meal

[bitter marten]

Actually farming would be interesting as well. But would also be more requirements for either harsh competition or instanced land.

[eternal temple]

Gottemmm

[loud axle]

S'mores and spooky stories please.

[digital willow]

thanks

[stone jay]

as a hunter, i better be able to have the skillcraft to always create a darksouls style bonfire where i go....

[pearl ore]

Only thing I'm gonna farm in Palia is good karma...and peppers

[dusty bloom]

I thought houses are instanced

[sand barn]

I got the best spooky stories, y'all ain't ready

[bitter marten]

But yeah I'm going to be a fish monger, that hopefully has a big boat.

[sour gorge]

Chili contest anyone

[pearl ore]

Only the chillest chili cookoff in Palia

[eternal temple]

Waking up late for an important job interview

[lyric ether]

chili beans, the best kind of bean

[sour gorge]

Damn straight son

[eternal temple]

The anxiety is real

[sour gorge]

I dont think the main game is instanced. Just housing

[lyric ether]

in this discord we have people bickering about what is or isn't in a game that may or may not be out within 3 years.

[bitter marten]

Waking up 4 times due to the nightmare of sleeping in, and then losing so much sleep you actually end up sleeping in. Huzzah.

[arctic onyx]

no combat zzzzzzz

[sour gorge]

No combat in the pre-alpha*

[sand barn]

Worse... the true horror shall be revealed

[digital willow]

are there classes in Palia?

[loud axle]

This is gonna be a lot of speculation on my part, but they've hinted a bit at how the world / servers work and it sounds like you'll be put into the game with a few hundred other people each time you log in, with priority given to friends. So it might be a bit like Journey, where you see and work with someone for a bit and then might never see them again.

[eternal temple]

cowers in fear

[arctic onyx]

Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?

[lyric ether]

what's a job, i havn't had one of those for like 10 years. my aching bones slightly remembers.

[eternal temple]

It rough ngl

[magic mist]

feel like you going to do it again in hopes that people will see another outcome?

[little field]

"the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness." - google

[burnt fulcrum]

Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result

[eternal temple]

But bills must be paid

[arctic onyx]

Yes

[bitter marten]

Wait... So is this game a chill royale.

[arctic onyx]

man vaas is my fav villian from farcry

no contest

[sand barn]

Badgers are the worst villain

[celest maple]

I can’t seem to find anything on it, but has there been any mention of how big the map will actually be?

[loud axle]

Again that was total speculation on my part so don't take it too seriously lol

[loud axle]

Slightly smaller than BotW

[lyric ether]

i miss it, i used to think being done with that phase of life would be great. just like how i used ot think being done with school would be great. Why does the next phase always seem better lol.

[dreamy spoke]

it's actually a pretty good theory

[celest maple]

Never played it, is it pretty big?

[little field]

I'm just hoping I can RP as Sauron and make jewelry to gift to friends (and possible servants of the shadow)

[bitter marten]

Tbh I kinda hope your wrong. Since that would make it hard to have permanent stuff like a shop or a boat.

[regal swallow]

Mmmm Animal onesies for clothing

[gray mural]

Genshin Impact? Its the size of the first zone(wind)

[sour gorge]

NPCs close their doors at night to go to sleep!!

[celest maple]

Haven’t played that either

[eternal temple]

The grass is always greener 😆

[gray mural]

Oh xD Well...look up for botw interactive map, there is one. Its decently sized in my opinion

[sand barn]

The best phase of your life is the one where you eat ice cream

[arctic onyx]

i live in a desert, there is no grass

[eternal temple]

The sand is always wetter?

[sand barn]

Eat ice cream whenever. Become immune to the cold. Logic!

[regal swallow]

Game changing seasons

[arctic onyx]

that's just mud tho

[sour gorge]

Noooo you dont eat ice cream when it’s cold out you monster! /s

[eternal temple]

Yes but very hydrated mud

[lyric ether]

Being old, crippled, and waking up every morning with pain in areas i didn't even know existed makes me miss the teenage and working years of life.

[gray mural]

Also if is not only size and actually how it works. Genshin at least had an amazing map, i'd love something like that for Palia

[dreamy spoke]

I eat ice cream when it's snowing. fight me

[arctic onyx]

the forbidden chocolate ice cream

[regal swallow]

Yakmoo ice cream

[eternal temple]

It’s so grainy

[sour gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-you-are-a-monster-gif-18014622

[bitter marten]

Honestly the thing that makes me optimistic about this game is the lack of insane ambitions. No procedural generated universes, no "this game has everything you could ever possibly do in space" nothing they had in the trailer was ground breaking or even new. Just taking known stuff, and putting it into a game you can relax in instead of murder hoboing everywhere.

[dreamy spoke]

hahahaha

[eternal temple]

Who bites into ice cream teeth first

That person knows no fear

[arctic onyx]

yeah this game is so safe there is no combat

[bitter marten]

They already said they would have combat later fake news man.

[little field]

Game plan: In the Spring I farm stawberries and raspberries to make jams. Summer i farm lemons to make lemonade. Fall I farm pumpkins for pie and Jack-O-Lanterns, then Winter I fish to make meals

[lyric ether]

Man that trailer felt like a cold read to me if i ever saw one. Here look at all this stuff, pretty sure it will strike a bone with someone.

[sour gorge]

Psychopaths

[hidden lynx]

Morning everyone!!!

[arctic onyx]

good morning

[dreamy spoke]

I mean I say I do it; I've done it in the past, I don't make a conscious decision to go and eat ice cream every time it's snowing 😂

[lyric ether]

if you went by the trailer alone the game could be literally anything

[sour gorge]

Morning!

[sand barn]

Morning?! Lies! It's afternoon. And I wish you a great one

[eternal temple]

MORNING screams

[little field]

After noon? Lies! It's 11:17AM!

[eternal temple]

It’s morning for us Merica folk

[proud sparrow]

12:17 gang

[bitter marten]

Hunters are nature's murder hobos.

[proud sparrow]

am

[sand barn]

Aaahhh the world has gone mad!

[dreamy spoke]

silly 'mericans, it's obviously 15:18

[sand barn]

16:18*

[arctic onyx]

nah it's 17:18

[pearl ore]

10:18

[eternal temple]

Someone said it was already Thursday for them

[little field]

Wrong, the clock to 12 buddy, it can't be higher than that

[autumn trench]

7:13

[west stream]

@civic dagger apparently players dont even have health... idk how thatll work, Im a little skeptical

[bitter marten]

Pretty sure that was specific to the alpha.

[arctic onyx]

24 hour time > everything else

[sand barn]

Timetravellers! Quickly we must find them and get them to tell us about palia

[civic dagger]

I think id prefer a stardew knockout system lol

[west stream]

idk if that really makes sense... a feature like that wouldnt be isolated to the alpha...

[dreamy spoke]

no, no HP wasn't a specific to alpha thing, that was a general statement.

combat (aside from hunting) won't be in alpha though

[eternal temple]

They will be able to play before us no fair

[sour gorge]

I consider hunting, farming and the other life skills pve though and not just fighting enemies

[bitter marten]

They said they plan to implement combat later. It would make sense if some features of combat. Ie HP. Aren't bothered with yet.

[little field]

and they said that hunting will not be combat, only combat-like

[wispy wyvern]

But as always remember folks. All things are subject to change.

[lyric ether]

-.- no pve and no pvp? Then what is there? I mean pve is literally just player versus enviroment if you go hunting and the deer runs away from you and you have to chase it down that is pve.

[arctic onyx]

i need to crush skelly bones and zombies it's a must

[lyric ether]

Every game no matter what it is, fits in either pvp or pve.

[sour gorge]

I think anything that isn’t pvp is pve

[sand barn]

All things?! But.. but. I'd just gotten used used calling pizza pizza

[bitter marten]

required to play the game if you're a farmer you don't gotta hunt deer.

[arctic onyx]

ayo?

[dreamy spoke]

they made a direct statement "Character death? no death, or health even" it wasn't related to alpha

[sour gorge]

There is no game that doesn’t have either pvp, pve or a mix of both.

[arctic onyx]

how are you living two days at once?

[sour gorge]

A dev said it is just for alpha in the chat some where

[eternal temple]

My strawberries were talking trash about me so now I’m fighting my garden : pve

[bitter marten]

I thought that exact response was asked about the alpha.

[lyric ether]

if you are a farmer then you are dealing with the enviroment of the crops. watering them ect.

[lavish remnant]

I mean a lot of games only have PvE, just cause its an MMO doesn't mean it NEEDS pvp.

[wispy wyvern]

Nothing is ever certain.

[west stream]

"can characters die? do characters have health?","no and no"

[lyric ether]

that is still PVE

[still arrow]

tbh if I can make hous i'm happy

[bitter marten]

That's not versus so much as co op

[lyric ether]

Ok what happens to your crops if you don't water them?

[sour gorge]

Agreed. Pve is anything that isn’t pve and not all pve is killing mobs

[exotic atlas]

I am happy fishing, I wish there was a fishing competition.

[sour gorge]

The life skills are pve though. That’s the player vs environment in this game.

[bitter marten]

They did. So you help your crops survive. And they help you survive. Co op.

[eternal temple]

This seems reasonable

[rigid phoenix]

Excited and interested to see how things play out as we learn more. One thing I can say for certain...I'm looking forward to an MMO where I'm not the savior of the entire universe by level 50. So sick and tired of that storyline.

[versed trail]

hello

[eternal temple]

You can be the savior of my ❤️

[lyric ether]

Key word survive, which means there is some condition you are fighting against.

[little field]

the unofficial faq says that there will be pvp-like competitions, specifically saying "If PvP means competitive gameplay then we'll have some"

[lyric ether]

Which means PVE

[bitter marten]

I'm tired of being a savoir of any kind. Why my character always got to have huge ambitions. Just let me be a fish monger. Let people buying my fish do something.

[sour gorge]

They won’t have pvp in the since of killing other players

[sinful ether]

I mean, could be a pie baking contest 🙂

[lyric ether]

If you are fishing that is pve for sure.

[bitter marten]

Never said it wasn't.

[arctic onyx]

they mentioned that humans disappeared for a while in the story, i wonder if we will meet or find out about what caused humans to disappear

[rigid phoenix]

Right? Have been playing some GW2 and it's so jarring to go from helping folks in random villages to being the only person who can save Tyria...in just a few short story lines. 🙂

[sour gorge]

They didn’t string anyone along. They have said countless times that combat is not a focus of this game and that it is a life sim game. If you haven’t realized that yet that’s a you problem not a dev problem. They have been very clear on what to expect from this game.

[arctic onyx]

i hope it's a pog villian so i can pump mindless dps into it

[bitter marten]

Have fun with that research, and make sure to buy my fish.

[lyric ether]

they really should reword it to non-traditional pve. I could agree with that

[arctic onyx]

nah I only eat chaapas

[sour gorge]

They never said there wasn’t going to be combat. They said there will be combat it’s just not the focus.

[bitter marten]

And this is why we need combat and the murder hobo squad. I need to hire a mercenary.

[sinful ether]

To me, everything is PvE unless it's specifically a system that sets one player against another in some way (combat, economic, etc)

ANy kind of gathering, crafting, exploring, etc is all pure PvE imo

[sour gorge]

There is no combat in the pre-alpha.

[winged basalt]

There should be combat, but it should be strictly optional

[sour gorge]

Agreed

[regal swallow]

I challenge you to a hugging contest

[winged basalt]

And I doubt that we'll have much of ANYTHING in the pre-alpha

[bitter marten]

Agreed and I'm guessing that's how it'll be.

[sour gorge]

That’s how it is in this game. It just won’t be in the pre-alpha

[arctic onyx]

ill tape nails to my chest, deal?

[eternal temple]

PVP OMG PVP STOP HIM

[lavish remnant]

The Hug heard round the world.

[sour gorge]

But it is pve.

[regal swallow]

Okie

[lyric ether]

I agree, there is only 2 types of games. PvP or PvE. You are either working against players, or against the enviroment. It's a bit impossible to have neither.

[regal swallow]

PvA

[sand barn]

There's pvepvp games though, like sea of thieves?

[regal swallow]

Player vs adventure

[bitter marten]

Farmers. farmers help environment and players.

[sour gorge]

Yep and the pve in this game is the life skills like fishing,etc with combat as a optional thing

[lyric ether]

The Enviroment is constantly working against Farmers friend, btw Enviroment speaks more on the code level

[winged basalt]

Guys... try to understand this. A Pre-alpha is not a game. It's a PROOF OF CONCEPT. It's more or less going to be a technical demo that shows us an THE MOST VAGUE OF WAYS the GENERAL direction in which S6 wants to go. If you expect depth of anything, you're in for disappointment. All the pre-alpha is, is them proving that their platform works, and showing us what they have in mind so we can comment and 'maybe' test some things.

[granite pagoda]

Morning Neighbors! How are we all doing today?

[lyric ether]

The enviroment inwhich the programmers created

[sour gorge]

Good morning!!

[bold pollen]

It's not PVE if the environment is not trying to kill you

[wispy wyvern]

I am cooking in my own skin. But its ok... honest...

[sour gorge]

Not really.

[bitter marten]

Some of the environment works against. Some works with. The farmer assists one side.

[placid flint]

hello. I am new lol

[little field]

I disagree

[arctic onyx]

there needs to be really deep and interesting takes on life skilling in this game instead of some hold left click snoozefest

[sour gorge]

They said the skills are deep and not just a click and done type thing

[lyric ether]

Right, and the first part is where the pve comes in. just because your helping doesn't mean the enviroment isn't against you

[versed trail]

We would be very happy if you add Turkish language support to the Discord server. <@&830144903652311090>

[sinful ether]

I know it's only been a week, but I feel they'd benefit from coming out and giving more detailed document or video on the "intent" of the game, because many folks have continued to build a game in their heads that this won't turn out to be! 🙂 I've seen it in nearly every community, so i think the more clarity they can offer right away, the better the community can maintain and evolve 🙂

[winged basalt]

The reason we won't have health pre-alpha is because they haven't coded it yet... that simple. We're just a sprite walking around.

[bitter marten]

But it's also with you. So instead of versus you have a symbiotic relationship.

[winged basalt]

Sure, the part of it that says 'pre-alpha'... there you go

[arctic onyx]

health is such a basic mechanic no? this makes me quite concerned

[sour gorge]

Why would they need to implement something that is not needed for a pre-alpha?

[bitter marten]

And what about foragers. Taking berries off a plant does absolutely no harm. In fact plants want berries to be eaten to spread seeds.

[sinful ether]

And I think Q&A/ask the team only goes so far... IMO we're still in a position where they need to tell us more before we can really ask more... because asking is a dartboard at this point 🙂

[granite pagoda]

Maybe in the future, but for the time being we are focusing on english chats only!

[regal swallow]

The first test is most likely a movement or stress test 😊

[winged basalt]

It's also not required to test the platform and do a technical demo... do you think mario even had collision physics in the technical(pre-alpha) of supermario 64? (Cause he didn't)

[burnt fulcrum]

health is super easy to add. It's essentially just a number that gets altered depending on certain circumstances

[exotic atlas]

I think the pvp will be like absolver but with skills.

[sand barn]

Wowwww.

[bitter marten]

And now what about a cheff that cooks the products from the farmers and foragers. What versus element do they have?

[autumn trench]

^^^It's also them wanting to test out how we respond to what they have set in place. Do the players follow the path that we want them to run towards, or do we have to have more indicators for them to look in that direction and consider that way to go on this map etc. And likely crashing , and bugs and so on 😂

[regal swallow]

Le gasp

[sour gorge]

Health and death are currently not in the game. That doesn’t mean they are never going to add it

[wispy wyvern]

o.o

[twin prairie]

the devs said there wouldn't be health in the game at this time. It's in the unofficial FAQ that was discussed in #❓│old-team-answers-pre-alpha

[lyric ether]

are you not a little too focused on realism now. I highly doubt the game will have much of a focus on your fecal matter spreading seeds.

[bitter marten]

Point is there isn't a versus in that situation.

[lavish remnant]

It's like ppl only read "MMO" and think everything that every other MMO has, Palia has to have. lol

[winged basalt]

I wouldn't be surprised if half of us fall off the map every 10 minutes. And frankly I wouldn't let that upset me either. I'ts not meant to be polished, it's meant to perform it's purpose

[lyric ether]

But there is, why did you eat the berries in the first place?

[exotic atlas]

Yup,, absolver with skills

[west stream]

you people are too worried, just wait until we have some actual content to start proposing ideas

[regal swallow]

Mmmm berry pie

[bold pollen]

Animal Crossing doesn't have a health mechanic, and it's a perfectly good game

[sour gorge]

People have told you this several times but you keep glossing over the fact that the devs have said that it is not in the pre-alpha.

[bitter marten]

Surviving without doing any damage is hard to be considered a versus relationship.

[wispy wyvern]

Would you like a doughnut? I feel a doughnut would help

[arctic onyx]

until the devs patch in a basic health system

[sour gorge]

Assuming that it won’t be in the game at all

[potent kraken]

Oh god no, the whole mmo thing is what scares me. Best not to take too much of that

[sand barn]

How about we don't suffocate anyone and just respect everyone for their opinions. It's okay to agree to disagree

[faint dawn]

I do like the idea of a foraging skill..

[lavish remnant]

XD

[sour gorge]

That’d be cool

[twin prairie]

to stave off hunger.

[shadow venture]

I'd like to see critterTown - where everything is extra kawaii and small critter themed (maybe you shrink a bit like alice in wonderland to explore that area?)

[arctic onyx]

Palia 2.0 - Civil war update 😈

[wispy wyvern]

Grubbing around in the woodlands, picking mushrooms and lichen as well as valuable tree barks and feet.

[regal swallow]

Shrew will be anyones friend 🙂

[lyric ether]

kind of trying to get that point across but some reason this guy refuses to believe that type of thing is PVE just because the berries are not trying to kill you.

[faint dawn]

I wonder if the skill trees will be like stardew where every so levels you chose a specialization?

[winged basalt]

Games have to have win/loss ratios to be... you know. GAMES. In order for it to be a game you have to be capable of 'losing' said game. Which means yes, there will in all likelyhood be character health, and ways to take damage.

[little field]

I disagree with you

[exotic atlas]

Absolver is a game

[bitter marten]

You aren't harming the plants. The plants aren't harming you. No other factors come into play since foragers don't grow or protect the plants. Where is the versus?

[obsidian crypt]

@winged basalt well that just isn't true

[wispy wyvern]

You sure you don't want a doughnut?

[sour gorge]

Its just because combat is not a focus and the devs have said they don’t want people to have to worry about dying while doing the life skills.

[plush kelp]

where is mine :o

[shadow venture]

please let this be a thing, that's like my dream game

[lyric ether]

If you have to try and survive then something is trying to stop you from surviving.

[twin prairie]

Attaaaaack of the killer tomatoes Beerrrieeesss

[wispy wyvern]

Loss =/=Death

[vapid grail]

Yo everybody good morning good afternoon good night depending on where you are :)

[shadow venture]

like hunger? or like...thirst? or exhaustion?

[bitter marten]

But hunger isn't an external force. It's you. You stop you from surviving.

[paper wing]

games may need to be competitive but don't require winning or losing to be a game

[arctic onyx]

why is death such hard thing to have in Palia's world?

[sour gorge]

We dont know if it will be added later. That’s why everyone is saying it’s currently not on the game and you’re taking that as the devs telling us it won’t ever be in the game.

[obsidian crypt]

Games don't even need to be competitive lol

[winged basalt]

In all likelyhood there will also be combat, it's just not the central focus. This is an MMO where crafting and building are the center of screen, and combat is on the edge.

[twin prairie]

go look for it instead of belaboring the point. It's in #❓│old-team-answers-pre-alpha

[paper wing]

but really a game is just a form of play according to the strict definition

[regal swallow]

Why the contestation when we can be in a game that benefits the sanity of the community with a peaceful environment.

[wispy wyvern]

I am not arguing for or against. I am just saying it's not the only way it can be handled.

[shadow venture]

this sounds like my dream game 😮

[lavish remnant]

Why is death considered a necessity in Palia's world?

[vapid grail]

Very true it’s also fun to just relax and have some fun with friends and explore without needing to be the best player ever to have fun

[lyric ether]

When game mechanics are trying to stop your survival then that is part of the enviroment. You fail to understand that enviroment in PVE doesn't mean nature but the game enviroment.

The parts that make up the game, PVE is you against the game

[sour gorge]

Because every mmo is required to have death /s

[lavish remnant]

XD

[wispy wyvern]

Says who?

[exotic atlas]

And the plots? It can be out of control to build anywhere

[arctic onyx]

Death is a common consequence, even mario had death

[obsidian crypt]

@vapid grail there's no health in That Game Companies "flower". That game was amazing

[winged basalt]

They said they will be telling a story. If they're telling a story that is meant for anyone older than five, that means conflict, that means all of the semi-mature adult concepts of conflict and it's consequences. If there wasn't combat, or at least conflict, their ability to tell stories would be drastically reduced in the long run.

[burnt fulcrum]

PvE is not supposed to be taken in the literal sense...
PvE is meaning that instead of facing other players in PvP, you face the computer, in form of monsters/enemies

[paper wing]

but does that have long-term sustainability?

[autumn trench]

Theyre being sarcastic

[bitter marten]

But it really isn't. Hunger isn't environmental. Hunger is internal. The environment is helping you not die with berries, and had no other involvement. So it's purely beneficial to you.

[lavish remnant]

why do you need every game to play like every other game?

[eternal temple]

I AM going to be the best. The best at hanging with friends

[obsidian crypt]

This isn't mario lol

[arctic onyx]

because games

[lavish remnant]

Racing games don't have death and those can be MMOs lol

[lyric ether]

If there was hunger (i dont think there is in this game) Then that would be part of the game enviroment

[wispy wyvern]

Some times it's hard to tell.

[faint dawn]

Death... aka waking up in your home and being billed 500 gold for hospital fees...

[obsidian crypt]

This isn't mario. More importantly it's not a 2d side scroller 🙃

[winged basalt]

Racing games very much DO have death, it's just not the player that dies...

[vapid grail]

Look at something like animal crossing if nintendo kept on adding content and creating new content to play i believe it can be sustainable

[autumn trench]

when people put /s at the end of a phrase, that can be an indicator for sarcasm 😉

[regal swallow]

500 pebble fine?

[cedar nest]

I'd like death in palia 😳they are ex blizzard creators after all

[eternal temple]

I can see this

[burnt fulcrum]

PVE is an abbreviation used in online gaming with the meaning "Player Versus Environment". PVE games require players to fight computer-generated monsters or enemies, as opposed to fighting other human players (as required in PVP (Player Versus Player") games)

[lyric ether]

you are taking the term too literally.

[sour gorge]

Says Mira lol. She seems to be hell bent on saying the devs mislead us by saying the game doesn’t currently have death and health. At least that’s how I see it. She doesn’t want to just accept that it’s currently not in the game and the devs have yet to say anything else on the topic

[wispy wyvern]

I see it now. My heat addled brain was being mean to me

[arctic onyx]

Thank you

[lyric ether]

or enemies, which could be mechanics within the game

[twin prairie]

or just keep asking the same question repeatedly and alienate anyone that's willing to help. that choice is yours to make.

[bitter marten]

I mean if you don't have to eat. Even more reason to say not needing PvE or pvp is true. You could literally just build your house all day and craft stuff.

[winged basalt]

This

[lavish remnant]

I didn't?

[paper wing]

you can have health and still have some other mechanic when you reach 0 other than death

[sour gorge]

We know what the game is. Its a life sim game similar to stardew valley and the sims 4

[regal swallow]

Anyone want Tavern storytelling?

[winged basalt]

That's a projection. You want there to be no health, so you accuse anyone who disagrees of 'projecting' their wishes on you.

[obsidian crypt]

Why don't know if death will ever make it into this game

But people saying an mmo or even just a game in general needs death is pretty detached.

Games don't need death

[burnt fulcrum]

you can't use PvE with its literal definition, just how you can't use RPG with its literal definition (cause then nearly every single game would be an RPG which defeats the purpose of it being a genre)

[sour gorge]

Of course you can. We just don’t know what the devs have planned or if they plan on adding health is all. All we know is that it’s currently not in the game

[sand barn]

I think the word MMO throws people off to expect something akin to other MMO's such as WoW or GW2 or FF. When, if we just look at the words, it means massively multiolayer online.

That means it doesn't have to have death. It doesn't have to have combat. It doesn't have to have anything like any other mmo except 3 things. It needs to be Massive, it needs to be Multi-player and it needs to be Online.

Any other piece of information is, to me, not entirely known. And thus while fun to speculate, at some point we're going to be disagreeing about what we think it means. Agree to disagree.

[eternal temple]

Off to work guys, keep those debates going. Adios

[sinful ether]

There's gotta be at least 1 native Palian table game, in-game 🙂 Card game, etc

[lyric ether]

that is just a doll house sim. Without something to be against it's not a game.

games require something to challenge you

[obsidian crypt]

@lyric ether no they don't

[lyric ether]

some sort of goal or something to aspire to

[winged basalt]

Also the team said there will be 'dungeons'... this implies combat, health, and ways to lose it

[paper wing]

but you seem "hell bent" on associating the two, or at least it seems that way to me

[obsidian crypt]

They don't "need" anything

[bitter marten]

And people are likely free to play it as that. Thus proving your assumptions that pvp or PvE being unavoidable as categorically wrong.

[sinful ether]

I dunno, collecting rare wood that only grows every 5 years in the winter from atop Mount Hossenfross sounds like a challenge to me 🙂 And then using that wood to build a valuable piece of furniture, another!

[sand barn]

The game has a narrative, thus we follow a story. Finding out that story is a goal, no?

[lyric ether]

they are unavoidable in a game. Sim's are a different thing

[lavish remnant]

I mean the concept of a "Social MMO" doesnt need to include death. Exhaustion would probably be a better concept.

[obsidian crypt]

Sims are games

[exotic atlas]

Sims need eat

[cedar nest]

Sims DIE

[toxic walrus]

Exhaustion is a terribly miserable concept.

[sour gorge]

It is pve to me.

[lavish remnant]

and death isn't? lol

[regal swallow]

[obsidian crypt]

I think we're talking sims as a type of experience not the Sims by EA necessarily

[viscid aurora]

they already said no to exhaustion

[sinful ether]

How so? What kind of "box" are we assuming PvE content is in?

[winged basalt]

It's pve to everyone...

[sour gorge]

Omg. The devs have said there will be combat.

[burnt fulcrum]

If you want to continue the whole PvE debate, google the definition of it

[lyric ether]

i honestly give up with you peeps that think pve is only the literal sense with combat. Ya'll are impossible

[sour gorge]

Not to Mira

[obsidian crypt]

So if stardew valley had no combat. People wouldn't play it? That's what I'm hearing? Lol

[wispy wyvern]

Logic and facts have no place here!

[twin prairie]

Instead of getting worked up, just block her.

[exotic atlas]

Don't fight

[wispy wyvern]

Oh .. /s

[bitter marten]

I took it in your definition and still proved you could play without it.

[winged basalt]

Stardew has it's own concept of health... the actions you can take in a day ARE your health bar, you have to manage it just like you would health. That is the essence of PVE

[cedar nest]

So much angst

[obsidian crypt]

@winged basalt I said. If it didn't have that.

[vapid grail]

That thing could be finding rare items, finding hidden relics and pieces of lore stuff like that stardew isn’t a PVE focused game there is some in the mines and stuff but most of the gameplay is. Which sounds a lot like what we know about Palia rn (there will be some combat just not the main focus or necessary)

[sinful ether]

Back to what I suggested earlier, this is about the point the community will start to eat itself alive if there isn't more info given.

🔜 🔜

[bold pollen]

If you think a game has to have combat to be a "game" then why are you here. This thread is for Palia

[lavish remnant]

PvE: Player vs. Environment, I'd assume mining for better equipment would be your attempts to improve your capabilities in versusing said environment lol

[obsidian crypt]

@winged basalt wouldn't you be able to say the same thing about resources then as well?

[lyric ether]

Stardew is very pve focused, you fail to take care of your crops they fail to grow do they not

[autumn trench]

Have y'all possibly considered that 'MMO' gaming can grow and evolve beyond hack n slash? It amuses me that not dying can be so controversial. How revolutionary to just to be able to exist in a game and perhaps be happy doing a thing you like. Maybe S6 for lack of a better analogy wants to push this envelope

[west stream]

what does "curated" mean in the sense of world exploration? is that like how youre on a railway in pokemon games and can barely explore?

[sour gorge]

Your point?

[winged basalt]

And I'm assuming you can't go out with a rock on a stick and mine mithril... so yes, mining is PVE, you have to advance and play the game well, to be able to progress on that path.

[obsidian crypt]

@autumn trench fr why is this such an issue lmao

[exotic atlas]

Pve and pvp I think there will be, I don't know why they fight. XD

[abstract tusk]

People are really struggling with this.

[bitter marten]

Well my discussion was over an assumption that avoiding PvE or pvp would be impossible.

[burnt fulcrum]

can we just move on?

[vapid grail]

I meant combat not pve then but yes you are right there needs to be some sort of lose condition in my opinion but it dosent need to be combat was more my point

[sinful ether]

There's a lot of people who flocked here because they see "MMO" and think it means only one thing - do the same thing as they do in a game they already hate 🙂 But most of the rational ones will have left, but there will always be a few who try to insist what a game should be to fit their playstyle etc

[cedar nest]

Can we just talk about how excited we are for a fun new game.

[west stream]

what does "curated" mean in the sense of world exploration?

[winged basalt]

No that's how DEFINITIONS work

[obsidian crypt]

They d already said that any sort of combat would be 100% optional

[lyric ether]

I agree, i was never saying there needs to be combat I'm just saying it's impossible to have neither pve or pvp. A game always has atleast one of them. It may not be traditional pve but it's still pve.

[regal swallow]

I want to meet you all in game

[autumn trench]

And it shows just how much a game like this is badly needed. We have to rewire our collective consciousness in this regard, it'll help deal with some of the toxicity

[lavish remnant]

If mining/gathering/fishing, isn't PvE, da heck is it?

[exotic atlas]

Mining is a life skill job not pve

[bitter marten]

The game will have it yes, but you aren't required to use them.

[frank peak]

Do i need to do another alert? XD o - o

[winged basalt]

Anything that isn't overtly competitive with another player. Is PVE... that's it. That's all there is to it. If you're not up against another human being. It's PVE.

[wide wedge]

Hope everyone will work together to discorver all the lore!!

[obsidian crypt]

@cedar nest apparently if it doesn't have combat or health it's not a game 😐 people crazy

[burnt fulcrum]

Can we just NOT make PvE into monetization 2.0?!

[paper wing]

@obsidian crypt at least one person has shown that combat in WoW is 'optional' but is it sustainable? I think that's what the whole conversation is about, really

[regal swallow]

I'll help everyone if I can. Teamwork!!!

[arctic onyx]

yes

[cedar nest]

Animal crossing is a good example

[arctic onyx]

you spoke the forbidden word

[bitter marten]

Time to discuss store mounts boys!!!?

[obsidian crypt]

@paper wing " is it sustainable" in WoW? No. That's a combat focused game

Welcome to palia

A non combat focused game

[winged basalt]

PVP and PVE are a definition of what your opposition is. That's it. If you're playing against the game itself, it's PVE, doesn't matter how you define that. If you don't compare something with another human being and determine who is better... it's pve

[dusky spruce]

Can I just say that Einar the robot is my favourite character and will remain so until the day I leave this mortal coil?

[lyric ether]

Animal Crossing had plenty of pve. those stupid bugs always getting away from me 😦

[burnt fulcrum]

Yes, to hopefully avoid another cursed word from being created

[lavish remnant]

I mean, if you can't mine mithril due to its environmental qualities of being a harder than normal substance and you have to get a stronger pickaxe to "versus" said environmental conditions, wouldn't that be PvE?

[stone jay]

know that somewhere - some dev is having to take a shot because monetization came up again

[idle sequoia]

Rune Factory is great this almost reminds me of that

[arctic onyx]

you just said the word, STOP SAYING IT

[sour gorge]

I’m moving on. You refuse to accept the fact that the devs all ready confirmed combat and that the game CURRENTLY. Does not have combat, health or death. Not that they won’t add the last two

[arctic onyx]

it will awaken the ancient one

[wide wedge]

PvP in this game is P O T A T O E contest!

[paper wing]

I'm saying is the model we assume Palia uses sustainable over the long term without an active agent to be competitive against?

[exotic atlas]

Many convos same time xD

[cedar nest]

Pie eating Contest needs to be in

[wide wedge]

PvP / Potatoe vs Potatoe

[burnt fulcrum]

Are you talking about Steve? XD

[stone jay]

Who can Boil the best potato - who can Mash the best Potato - and who has the best potato stew?

[winged basalt]

Wait... hol up... are you two saying you were both doing a coin argument?

[west stream]

how about we all just wait and see how S6 implements PvE and PvP before we start arguing about how Palia will be good/bad with or without it. can we pls move on?

[lyric ether]

Fries are the best kind of potatoes prove me wrong

[arctic onyx]

that thing... it scares me

[vapid grail]

I agree either there is a risk or challenge in the activities or depth in them if the systems are deep and you can do a lot with then idk if the possibility of failing is necessary but its a lot easier to introduce challenge rather than to make something have a lot of depth and complexity

[cedar nest]

Fr can we move on this toxicity is b a d

[obsidian crypt]

@paper wing
Idk how else to say it. Palia is it's own game. Let it do what it do.

If it's good it'll be successful

[bitter marten]

If he wants fish tell him to stop by SAimNEs tackle box.

[burnt fulcrum]

So, I take it PvE is another cursed word?

[paper wing]

move on to ... monetization? or what? other speculation?

[abstract tusk]

Gentle reminder that the devs have also said that what they ‘confirm’ is not written in stone and is subject to change.

[west stream]

I personally would like to talk about what "curated world" means

[arctic onyx]

time to make economy the next cursed word

[frank peak]

Einar anybody? Fishing? Uhhh, what about those lovely deer things? Whats up with those?

[regal swallow]

I assume stone writing is like runes

[winged basalt]

A coin argument is where two people are arguing the same thing, but from different sides of a perspective (The coin) and don't realize it. You're both saying the same thing, just with different words with a different perspective.

[wide wedge]

Fishing is law these days...

[paper wing]

Sure, that's what we're talking about. In what ways can this model be good enough to sustain as an MMO?

[nova ember]

I feel like this happens every time you're talking about something

[frank peak]

Think we can ride them? , what about the gliders? I wonder how the duration will last.. if its something you get later, or something youll have to make

[lyric ether]

like i tried to tell you earlier, literally anything that anyone may be passionate about can yield that result man. You can't just block stuff off, ya see what i was trying to get at before.

[vapid grail]

I think an economy would be pretty cool crafting really hard to get decoration for houses and stuff or clothes and you can sell them

[cedar nest]

🤡 - Some ppl in chat rn

[stone jay]

(of online content, merchandise, information, etc.) selected, organized, and presented using professional or expert knowledge.

I'm going to say it was expertly selected, Organized, and presented 🙂

[obsidian crypt]

@paper wing I'm not the developers. Let's let them answer that question in time.

What you need to understand is that just because a game doesn't fit a mold doesn't mean it won't be successful.

[arctic onyx]

i want to crash economies and ruin people's trade out of spite 😈

[whole shoal]

where download game ?

[dusky spruce]

I'm hoping they pay homage to Nausicaa with a mehve-like glider skin, since it seems Einar was inspired partially by the robots from laputa.

[frank peak]

You can't : p

[paper wing]

I never made that argument

[lyric ether]

arguing over symantics of pve be like 😫

[dusky spruce]

Absolutely feral for studio ghibli stuff and this just... ticks all the boxes.

[nova ember]

true, I just always see you getting attacked

[frank peak]

This is kinda studio ghibli esque actually mopsi

your right : o

[viscid aurora]

love studio ghibli

[exotic atlas]

I fear a broken economy, that's what I fear most in mmo's . XD

[burnt fulcrum]

We are getting our questions posted in #851872239435644928 answered TOMORROW
Sorry for trying to keep this place from collapsing just cause we don't have a mod here

[dusky spruce]

It's just an absolutely gorgeous game.

[frank peak]

Just stop

[whole shoal]

u play? is good game? where download?

[lyric ether]

Trooper has been lurking to my knowledge.

[frank peak]

Just stop, its not hard, just stop

[vapid grail]

True as long as its pretty and i can run around im good

[nova ember]

what are you talking about

[dusky spruce]

@whole shoal From the trailer, sorry to get your hopes up hun. >.<

[pale quarry]

I. Crave. Palia.
I need something to do, that doesnt require me to play 8 hours a day... 😦

[winged basalt]

I think the biggest thing we can take from this... is that people are going to have WILDLY overhyped and WILDLY not understood concepts of what a pre-alpha should be.

Here's some things to expect:

1: Crashes... lots of them
2: Nothing works
3: You fall off the map
4: Crashes...
5: Lag/latency/frame drag hell the likes of which you have never seen...
6: Did I mention crashes?
7: Little to no features... and those that are in, don't always work.

So please, everyone, don't go into this thinking you're going into a beta... a Beta is a nearly finished game ready for stress testing. This is a ... and let me use bold to emphasize.

PRE-ALPHA

It's not going to be anything close to what most of you are expecting...

[wispy wyvern]

Me too, do we get club badges?

[frank peak]

People are having a hard time moving on is all. . I

[twin prairie]

it's not available just yet, but

[autumn trench]

I crave paella! 🥘

[celest maple]

Who’s to say it won’t be addicting to cause you to play 8 + hours a day??

[frank peak]

Im trying really hard to get another conversation going XD

[wispy wyvern]

We could whittle them out of stale bread

[nova ember]

I'm pretty sure they hover this chat 24/7

[obsidian crypt]

It was just unfortunate to see people pretty much dooming the game if it doesn't meet their expectations on a PvE experience

[pale quarry]

My daughter 🤣

[vapid grail]

You will want to play 8 hours not have to xD

[celest maple]

Children are only a set back

[exotic atlas]

You fall off the map. I like this.

[stone jay]

Shhh - that's trade secret - also how we got turtles confirmed yesterday

[lyric ether]

it's always best in my opinion to let mods do the modding. when normies try to police things are more likely to go further off the rails.

[dusky spruce]

We got turtles!?

[regal swallow]

Map falling gliders?

[sand barn]

Just get your daughter to play with you, win win!

[arctic onyx]

the game is doomed if i can't romance einar

[obsidian crypt]

@arctic onyx this I'll agree to

[frank peak]

I just want to fish with Einar

[sour gorge]

Lolol.

[cedar nest]

I wanna romance monster men pls

[frank peak]

The rest isnt that important to me

[sour gorge]

Same!

[stone jay]

I jest - we had a god come in and provide excellent knowledge of the game - the quote was "I Like Turtles"

[celest maple]

I just want to be able to sail

[lyric ether]

I want to romance my glider

[regal swallow]

I want to stack pebbles with Einar

[vapid grail]

Noe that is some truth

[frank peak]

Yes, pebble hunting, should be a thing, especially with Einar

[obsidian crypt]

I can't post images here
But if you haven't, take a look at some of the include concept art on the webpage

The one with the traveling cart looking thing by a lame is exciting

[sour gorge]

That’s just going too far.

[bold pollen]

It will be nice to have a game where you don't have to level up to "keep up" with other players

[frank peak]

And a fishing log of course. !

[cedar nest]

@prisma halo my dude pls try to drop this. 😳

[lyric ether]

Oh glider, you make me feel so special. When ever I am with you I feel like i'm soaring.

[regal swallow]

A longer pier for Einar through pebbles

[wispy wyvern]

I don't think there any real danger of that at all.

[foggy ingot]

let's all thank @golden thistle for putting those ⬆️ in #851872239435644928

[vapid grail]

I want to find the rarest pebble anyone has ever seen

[obsidian crypt]

@prisma halo and that's okay, you know? If the game isn't for certain people then just don't play it lol

[sour gorge]

Yeah people here are already expecting an online animal crossing lol

[safe sinew]

I think my hope for the game is to be able to make pies. And maybe have a comfy pie shoppe. But gliding around, fishing, and stacking pebbles with friend Einer all sound very snuggly too. :3

[frank peak]

Oh gosh yes, and maybe Einar has names for all the pebbles, that would be great

[lavish remnant]

The ultimate skipping pebble, the boomerang pebble, throw it and it always come back.

[celest maple]

Is that not what it pretty much is?

[sand barn]

Oh glider, with you I feel like i float through life effortlessly