💬│palia-discussions

[muted hull]

I don’t really have sensitivity issue with flashing lights, I just don’t prefer to experience it if possible to avoid.

But I got pelted with snowballs by a rando yesterday evening and that ruined my gaming for the night. After like 10 of them I started blinking a lot cause the flash was too much for me and eventually got a headache and just turned the game off :/

[narrow narwhal]

I think that’s totally fair. The frustrating thing about community management is that there are things you can say and things you can’t. One of the first rules is to not talk about things that are unconfirmed. But silence also sucks so here’s the thing I’ll say that is 100% against the first rule of community management to say:

We are in fact working on a hotfix to fix the snowball flash (and the chat issues for that matter). This would be a PC only hotfix because there’s nothing we can do about Nintendo. It’s been an extremely long time since we’ve put out a hotfix for some but not all platforms, and I cannot promise it’ll work. It’s also right before the holidays so a lot can go wrong. But obviously this problem is egregious enough and devastating enough that we’re making a lot of exceptions try to solve even pieces of it. We’re also looking to update messaging too but that’s also got some complications being across platforms. The patch could be as soon as tomorrow. Or it might just not work. We truly do not know yet. And when it turns out (as it often does in game development) that your fix doesn’t work, we’ll be blasted here for this message. So I’m just crossing my fingers that I don’t regret sending this. But anyway, that’s the update. We’ve also aligned around new systems to much better ensure things like this don’t happen again. It’s not perfect and I’m sure disappointing but it’s all we’ve got right now.

Anyway I really have to step away for a bit now but I will catch up on everything later tonight. Sorry I can’t be more present right now.

[livid lagoon]

Finally some actual communication.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[unreal mantle]

Amazing thank you- I appreciate that

[livid lagoon]

This is what should have been relayed a long time ago.

[unreal mantle]

This- exactly

[celest maple]

Yes, thank you as well too

[chrome mantle]

Shoutout wc for being amazing fr. Also better late than never. This is the most I’ve seen a dev team member this active between these discordian walls

[polar elbow]

Honest question: Would it be possible to just... remove the snowball items themselves from player inventories, and remove the sources/make them unobtainable somehow, if a client update across the board isn't possible atm?
It would mean making snowballs completely inaccessible until fixed, and some form of compensation would likely be needed, but I think it's worth examining as an option given the real health concerns they have atm

[livid lagoon]

I'd add things, but seeing as they are stepping away (which is fair enough), whatever I add is gonna be buried quickly.

[brisk spruce]

Honestly as a PC player I would appreciate even an attempt to fix it at this point. But this is also why beta games aren't really supposed to be on Nintendo's stores...

[livid lagoon]

But I'd love to ask architectural questions now seeing as it's a "we'e gonna try, but don't know if it'll work"

[umbral lynx]

Also maybe using the correct tags so people don't wander in expecting it to be safe when half the options don't exsit nor any prio testing (even though snowballs are over a year old in terms of bugs)

[unreal mantle]

A vxf toggle is like 5 minutes to code even for my old bones following github- this is not rocket science

[warm python]

I do appreciate the communication and transparency. I really hope we can look forward to more of that in the future; being here since the start of open beta, I've found that a lot of issues have festered and goodwill lost due to the lack of communication, which is extremely important for a game that still says it's in beta.

[livid lagoon]

Architectural questions like: are snowballs handled client-to-client, or do they go through authorative server (via GAS) or similar? If authorative, could server-side update be pushed to reject a throw attempt during server verification (and thus sidestepping Nintendo)? Or is that too predicted so it may happen before server-side verification?

Not that this game verifies half of the things ut should anyway.

But yeah, these kinds of questions are only useful when S6 are present. And I have a feeling it would go unanswered anyway. Either way, this post will get buried.

[worn snow]

i feel silly for genuinely hoping the acquisition would help some of these issues. has it just not... kicked in yet?

[pulsar meteor]

likely not - in my experience, usually they don't start 'realigning' the acquired company departments/ strategy for 6-12 months, depending on function overlap and executive contracts

[worn snow]

omg hi! do u think acquisition will help? obvi u dont know but like. spidey sense

[pulsar meteor]

this isn't based on any inside knowledge about the s6 situation specifically, but i have more corporate experience than i'd like >_> most likely Daybreak has offered them resources and for the first several months were watching things progress while deciding how much intervention was necessary

[livid lagoon]

I seem to recall a statement somewhere (but don't quote me on this... I haven't tried looking up the source again, or if it is my bad memory) that Daybreak said something along the lines of intending to leave S6 to it as they were. I'll go hunt for the source.

[pulsar meteor]

"It is safe to say that our studio’s vision and creative direction will remain intact as we continue developing experiences" from the press release, maybe? https://www.singularity6.com/news/studio-acquisition

[unreal mantle]

just put a toggle to turn off snowball flash

[worn snow]

ig i was hoping that meant more like. "oh our vision for the game will stay intact [but maybe we'll get extra hands for community management]"

[unreal mantle]

don't make it complicated- it is literally a 5 second fix. Toggle to turn off client side VFX flash

It's that simple. And that is inclusive- no fancy coding or excuses to delay. 5 second fix

[livid lagoon]

In theory shouldn't be too hard. In practice, that requires client side update, meaning they could push it to PC within a reasonable time but not to switch.

[pulsar meteor]

me too

[unreal mantle]

If they own up to the safety issue nintendo DOES do emergency patches- but they would have to own their meaculpa

<--- worked with nintendo as a QA tester for various video game companies in the 90s and 2000s

[pulsar meteor]

and if there was actually Daybreak comms on the merger, i don't think i saw them, so it might be something else entirely. that's just all i could recall

[livid lagoon]

It could have been that, although I swore I saw it in clearer words. But again, could be my memory jumbling it over time, so still looking.

[unreal mantle]

literally this is the sort of thing Nintendo takes extremely seriously

[livid lagoon]

Yeah, but that requires the powers that be to take real responsibility, something we have seen very little of.

[lime granite]

S6 doesn't know the meaning of accountability or personal fault. Only the name blame game and shirting responsibility off on anyone else but their own backs.

[livid lagoon]

Still looking for source for that quote thingy, but found this little gem that was hilarious in the context of all that's gone down the last months and right now:

But we ultimately want to get Palia into the hands of every gamer that wants to play it[...]

Nope, just can't find it, so either I misremember the quote, or it came as part of a different context.

[narrow mirage]

I think I really like Palia :3

[loud axle]

There's a really great early game as you build up your character and housing plot and do some of the beginning story quests for sure.

It's why a lot of us got hooked in!

[fiery perch]

Hey Roan 💛

[loud axle]

Hiya Ori! ❤️ Taking a quick break from Elden Ring and reading back, how's it going?

[woeful garnet]

So... Chats broken? Again?
And again.
And again...

[fiery perch]

It's... I'm still frustrated, admittedly, but I'm going to try to relax/chill here soon with some other game 💛 I hope your Elden Ring is going well!

[pearl wave]

Communication is all we want honestly, WC

[pulsar meteor]

anyways, to answer this specifically (and as personal opinion, not any kind of authoritative statement) - I do. Daybreak is speculating with some significant money on this being a winning buy, not just for the MMO but also for the IP. It wouldn't surprise me to see them spinning off some other, simpler games as part of this process - something like a Hot Pot app, or Heavy Metal Chapaa 2: Flowlectric Boogaloo, or even getting into Bejewelled clones with Palia icons, villagers etc. all of which would help justify keeping the servers on.

on a more MMO note, Daybreak has got quite a bit of experience with other MMOs and all the solutions those have accumulated along the way, so even for technical expertise it's probably a win. we don't know how many publishers gave it a pass before they accepted the offer, but Daybreak also has experience with maintenance mode and/or cutting losses, and used to have quite a reputation; so it's certainly possible that we'll see an unfortunate end, but if that day comes I suspect it'll be more humane under Daybreak than on its own.

[loud axle]

Yeah, absolutely justified. I am at least happy to see Crab in here attempting to some communication, even if it's not always what we want to hear. Obviously things have festered a bit so it's definitely gotten to a pretty volatile point.

[livid lagoon]

I think this is a fair look at it, and hopefully you're right. The only thing I worry about is how much of the old management still exists (despite layoffs and acquisition), 'cause frankly a lot of problems feel like they ultimately stem from management... and if the same people still manage in the same way, then unless Daybreak starts taking a more active role I see this coming to a crash and burn.

[final pumice]

Anyone find this door in the new landscape? Wonder if there’s a reason they added it

[dark moon]

For santa

[livid lagoon]

Probably just set dressing... unless they intend to later expand the plots into the areas we are able to see but not reach (like the hidden pond on default plot).

[scarlet hazel]

Probably just there randomly. Idk why they add random things that lead to absolutely no where

[gilded skiff]

for that i would be sad, as i just brought some yesterday. I have problem with photosensitivity, but honestly for me, the snowballs, dont have the biggest flash, the worst was when we had the partybuff one, that was a huge trigger and the same with the white screen we seems to get. I know we all are diffrent, and have diffrent sensitivity levels. if they remove them, i would be really annoyed. just be mindfull and only used them with your friends, who knows when not to use them. 🙂 🥰

[scarlet hazel]

It's a lot safer to just remove the items then let them stay in the game tbh. Or at least hotfix the patch in on pc or smth

[pulsar meteor]

they put the math just beneath it #💬│palia-discussions message

[loud axle]

Buy em all, pay more!

[fiery perch]

I can understand this, however, like you said... we are all different. There has been some people who have already had health issues arise-- and I've already dealt with bad headaches & migraines. I just edited some footage of it, too, and I'm now needing to take a break just by trimming the videos.

And to be honest, if they did disable it now, and then put them back in the future, you can still use them all year. You just wouldn't be able to buy more.

And for some, the white flash from the snowballs, take up the entire screen. Esp if something happens [like a button gets stuck, or the game for some reason registers it as this]-- can make it happen rapid fire & make it larger. I've had it where it thought I threw two or three, and it just increased the intensity. :[

[pulsar meteor]

the normal bundle price, is effectively buy two and get the third free; this one is buy two and get the third half off, so it's not in line

whether it's a deliberate shift in-game, an accident in-game, or a typo in the patch notes, is unclear

[celest maple]

As well with the in-game chat function broken it makes it harder to communicate the issue to other players or people who either would outright ignore it or purposefully do it to cause reactions in others

[sick ermine]

oh well...a hotfix is occuring all I'm glad for right now 🙂

[pearl wave]

I'm sorry but, why s6 insisting on when.. they can't communicate their roadmaps with us. The whole reasons players are getting really mad / upsets at s6's when they messed up the game, they makes it sounds like there a bigger company that told them what to says / what not to says (when in my opinions is so stupid first of all).

There are plenty of developers that are caring enough to tell us what the plans are and actually fixes the bugs and all we got from s6 is empty words, "sorry we can't says anything.", etc :/

WE don't want words, we wanted actions that showed that u cares and actively fixing the issues instead of putting them back on burner for years.

[stone girder]

Gotta say, I'm pleasantly surprised to see there will be maintenance tomorrow, hopefully the chat gets fixed.

[loud axle]

Well as Crab said it's not guaranteed anything will happen so don't get too hopeful quite yet lol

[pearl wave]

please tell me they fixing the snowballs tomorrow :/

[polar elbow]

I wasn't asking for snowballs to be removed permanently. I just feel that these items are too dangerous to photosensitive individuals to be left as-is in the game right now, and if a client update/hotfix is impossible, I would rather see the items made inaccessible/unusable until they are fixed- even if it meant not being able to use them for a little while.
I feel that the health and well-being of the playerbase at large takes precedence over leaving them in a state where they can potentially cause harm.

[gilded skiff]

Ooooh, with one with taking up the entire screen, i dident know about honestly. well in that case, im sorry to read that happen to some of you for sure. seems like my friends and me have been very lucky then. 🫣 I can diffently relate to the migrines form big flashes, i experianced that under the party buff one. even tried to grab stuff with closed eyes, nope. not good, so if this is the same for some of you. its fair enough. 🫂

[loud axle]

Also hime what was said about NDA? 👀 I know technically alpha and earlier peeps are still asked to not talk about early stuff but we have uh, been a little more loose and toeing the line lately from what I've seen

[gilded skiff]

see that would be something I personally would never do! snowballs are only among friends in my case. but indeed without the chat, it is really hard to communicate if you are one of those who is sensetive for sure.

[stone girder]

At this point, I just appreciate that they're trying. I honestly did not expect an attempt before Christmas and they're really putting themselves out there trying because if it doesn't work, they'll be blasted even more and all the hard work they've done will probably feel like it's for nothing.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, it's very unfortunate. It's one of the reasons i've been so frustrated-- not like, just for myself, but for others, you know? It's why one of the solutions could be removing the snowballs temporarily. Could even extend the winterlights store or something, too, if needed.

Since like, again, snowball fights? Cute idea. But not cute idea when it can cause problems, ya know?

I'm glad that you and your friends have been some of the 'lucky' ones and not as effected by much, and I do appreciate that you only do that among friends and with consent. 💛

[polar elbow]

This is an example of the snowball flash shared by Roan: (obvious flashing light warning)
#💬│palia-discussions message
It can get.... really bad. @_@

[sudden bay]

Ugh, why do they have to ruin everything. The chappa's and hassain on the game board just makes it unuseable for what I wanted to do.

[stoic plume]

Hey chat! So I'm confused, I thought we were getting new furniture mod colors?

[pulsar meteor]

so did most of us, but it's just the same color options on new (actually older) furniture

[proven bobcat]

...are those snowballs or bombs? Yikes.

[fiery perch]

It was misleading. It was saying some of the furniture you couldn't modify before, can be modified now. Hence the "New" colours. If that makes sense.

[stoic plume]

Gotcha. I'm glad we can modify those pieces now, but I'm still bummed :/

[sudden bay]

Wow, this doesn't happen to me at all in the game. Why does it show that way for some but not others.

[loud axle]

Hey Evan, not sure if you can even answer this but I'm curious - are the mods in charge of policing NDA / alpha talk at all or is that a grey area?

[scarlet hazel]

I don't see how the mods should be in charge of NDA when the devs don't come in here often enough to police it tbh...

[gilded skiff]

Oooh wauw! okay thats quiret bad for sure

[warm python]

It's weird that the NDA y'all got put under doesn't even have an expiration date? like I signed one for alpha testing a thing recently and it was specific on when it expired

granted also the company may or may not have done a whoopsie and not actually put the playtest client under a codename so I'm not sure how that effected the part of the NDA where I couldn't tell anyone I was doing the thing LMAO it was blasted all over our friends lists

[fiery perch]

I don't know what settings that person may of been using for some stuff, but I know at least if you have some settings on the lowest, it can make the flash a lot more severe, too.

I meant to respond to a diff msg, ah well lol

[loud axle]

I'd have to go back and actually find / read it again but I do remember when the game went public it was more of an "ask" than a "tell" to not talk about prior experiences.

[pulsar meteor]

bit of a gray area, especially without CMs present. if people start going nuts with it, we'd probably step in under 'unreleased content', but mentions of things that do exist in the current game/ oblique mentions of prior designs like Orelympus aren't hurting anyone

[stone girder]

There seems to be a lot of personal burden here. I cannot imagine the mental load and emotional toll it's taking on you to face the community as you do, especially on this channel. While I am really disappointed with some of the things happening with this game, I was thoroughly impressed with so many of your messages I saw yesterday where you took complete and utter accountability, openly agreed with direct criticism and didn't back away from people calling out issues. I can see you care. I can see how hard you are working. I can see that you are putting so much humanity into how you are giving people information here. I am so impressed you are even trying a hotfix tomorrow so soon before Christmas, especially knowing you will most likely face even harsher, perhaps really nasty, backlash if it doesn't fix the problem or worse, creates more problems. Thank you for being on here and communicating like you do, I just wish it didn't seem like it's something you are having to take on so personally like this. I think people can forgive a lot if maybe s6 posted more acknowledgments in the news or status channels with apologies just so people aren't feeling so much like they are being kept in the dark. I love this game, I'm really rooting for you guys to get through this crappy period and really start thriving for 2025. Just me being cheesy amongst what must feel like a lot of hate (I'm in other channels complaining too though hehe)

[pearl wave]

pretty sure nda expires at some point..? I think

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah NDAs are suppose to expire eventually

[fiery perch]

Not all NDAs expire

[pearl wave]

oh really? :O i didn't know

[scarlet hazel]

Welp

[pulsar meteor]

the S6 one we signed to test, does not have an expiration date, no

[scarlet hazel]

Lame

[loud axle]

I'd imagine if the game / company go under though we'd be "released" from it.

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah since they wouldn't be around anymore

[pulsar meteor]

there might be no company to enforce any of its possible provisions, true

[pearl wave]

so this is like "for a lifetime until we gone"?

[pulsar meteor]

though with the acquisition, harder to say? idk, this is why lawyers make tons of money, arguments for each possible outcome XD

[neat compass]

NDAs are extremely difficult to enforce, especially if you live in a different country, and odds are S6 doesn't have any of the documentation on hand anymore anyway since a lot of things seemed to be lost in the transition with all the layoffs.
Also if you didn't have to provide any identification when you signed it, it's literally invalid.

[loud axle]

This is I think why, when the game went public, they basically said "we can't stop everyone from talking about pre-alpha / alpha but we're still asking you not to."

[pearl wave]

I mean fair, i guess but i wish s6 come out of hidey hole and talk to us, communicate with us more

[loud axle]

And they sure know how to appeal to my sense of duty.

[sudden bay]

Wouldn't you want to honor that then?

[loud axle]

Yup and we do, for the most part! Though there's plenty of stuff anyone could technically find themselves through looking at old teaser trailers, blog posts, etc.

[gritty socket]

Usually, it's a community manager's job to talk about stuff on behalf of the devs... but we don't have those currently. IIRC (and sorry for the ping!) @old dirge has prior CM experience, so they could probably explain the reasoning behind all that better than I can

[sudden bay]

Wizared just responded in a lengthy post about the snowball issue. It's long coming but much appreciated. So we have to give them credit for that.

[pearl wave]

oh yeah i know they are fixing snowballs, i bought it up with them. Im talking about in the future like we wants more of that.

[gritty socket]

It's worth remembering we've also had Vega and Forseti (I think?) here on occasion, so we have had other devs show up

[pearl wave]

at least wc did said they interviewing one soon and i can hope 🤞

[worn snow]

i meannnn yeah sure but a lot of us have been talking about it for a full year now, so i think you can forgive us for feeling a little cynical still.

[loud axle]

The trust / goodwill is certainly going to take a bit longer to build back up for sure but it's a nice step forward.

[neat compass]

I personally don't feel like I owe S6 any credit for ignoring an issue for over a year, then allowing overworked devs to fill the empty space that the laid-off CMs left behind. Community management is not what they are paid to do, and maybe if S6 bothered to employ a CM, those devs could focus on the enormous, ever-growing pile of unresolved issues within the game.

[pearl wave]

coming up on 2 years now 😭

[sudden bay]

Sure but let's give them some credit instead of shooting them when they are trying.

[pearl wave]

😶

[old dirge]

I was on a community team doing other work with CMs (some of whom used to work as CMs in gaming and shared their horror stories), but yeah CMs can do mediation, comms, moderation, program management, event management, some social media management, and lots of community engagement often with the aim of building/maintaining trust with a userbase so that there's enough of a community to sustain the game and do word of mouth marketing. It's one of those things where it's hard to quantify the value but not having them can be disastorous

[pearl wave]

all of sudden i remember why, please don't go down this road.

[pulsar meteor]

for what it's worth, many of us have given them tons of credit, this isn't unjustified concern ❤️

[worn snow]

last christmas, i reported this issue, the very next year, the snowballs still needed an epilepsy warning. this year i'm gonna go alpha test for [redacted], maybe they'll have some accessibility options...

[sudden bay]

Which might be why they just gave up. No matter what they do no one is happy. They communicated yet still the pitchforks.

[warm python]

[worn snow]

then you shouldn't make a game if you're that sensitive to goodwilled criticism

[pearl wave]

[loud axle]

When it's gotten to the point of torches and pitchforks it's going to take a bit more goodwill to reconcile things is all.

And I'm sure Crab knows that.

[worn snow]

yes, you DID lose whamaggedon from this

[fiery perch]

People are going to be frustrated and upset as a whole, when the bare minimum only happened when people have expressed concern, even mentioned about taking it up to nintendo, etc. It shouldn't of taken this long.

Do I appreciate that they are starting to finally try to make a fix? Yes. But that doesn't invalidate how frustrated I feel, and genuine concern I still have for the playerbase and community as a whole.

When things reach a boiling point, it doesnt just immediately go down. Actiosn speak louder than words, and until some actual things happen, it's going to take a long time for a lot of people to believe and trust what is said.

[old dirge]

CMs are super helpful for incident response/disaster management since they can keep communication going in both directions but filtered for confidentiality and value while (honestly) also entertaining/distracting the community

[sudden bay]

I agree. I'm not saying the communication has been adequate by any means but they ARE addressing the snowball issue which is what we wanted even though it took a long time for them to do it. People need to decide for themselves it's that is enough to stick with the game

[pulsar meteor]

was that a song ref? all i heard was a careless whisper

[stoic nymph]

DID I REALLY 😭 I WAS HOLDING OUT FOR SO LONG

[worn snow]

HELP THAT WAS JUST A JOKE 😭😭😭 i don't think so, i think you're fine. i'll back u up gf

[stoic nymph]

thank you 😭😭 I have been redeemed.

I've been reading this to get caught up and from my perspective it doesn't seem like a cm or anything from s6 is going to fix community relations ATP. I love this game, it just sucks that the devs are getting overworked for this 🥹

[warm python]

[languid dock]

Wait the snowball thing is real?

[fiery perch]

yes.

[worn snow]

very!

[stoic nymph]

Yeah it takes over the entire screen

[scarlet hazel]

yep

[languid dock]

Oh goddd

[fiery perch]

There are people who are genuinely not playing the game, or leaving their plot, due to how severe it is.

[scarlet hazel]

someone grab the clip

[lime granite]

they are allegedly and maybe fixing the snowball issue. don't count your chickens until they hatch. aka don't count your palia fixes until they're verified. s6 has a history of gaslighting people.

[fiery perch]

had to react with the snail bc ... well ... Snail

[lime granite]

snail? you know there was no snail. /s

[worn snow]

can someone tldr snailgate i still barely know what happened

[warm python]

[brisk spruce]

is snailgate the new "the flash"? now that hardly anyone who was around for the flash is still here

[fiery perch]

trailer had what looked like a snail plush or something, didnt release, someone at s6 ended up claiming it was just a sized up version of the tiny snail we arleady have. even tho they look completely different

[stoic nymph]

There was no war in ba sing se

[old dirge]

yeah with a tight turnaround (shouldn't have been but it is) and some platforms locked (no fix for switch), it's a hopefully/maybe

[worn snow]

wild.

[old dirge]

huh, if I had a nickle for each time I've missed a snailgate event I'd have two nickles which isn't a lot but it's really weird it's happened twice

[stoic nymph]

I wish the switch would get some proper love but I also desperately want stuff fixed for everyone

[brisk spruce]

⛲ 🏃‍♂️ 💨

[fiery perch]

kali please HAHA

[brisk spruce]

I still have a screenshot of the original somewhere LMAO

[fallow saffron]

“The same snail”

[stoic nymph]

petition to get large snail? /s

[gritty socket]

I still question how much of that plot theft stuff back in the beginning was real, and how much of it was people making things up to exploit community panic

[lime granite]

also re hyping up this hot fix, even if it does "fix" the snowball issue for pc... it won't be for the switch. sooo uhhh. that's not fixing anything, don't allow overcompensation and exaggeration to cloud the real issue.

[worn snow]

okay that's not just completely different it's a whole different color set and the proportions are different

[fiery perch]

the spiral goes the wrong way too

[worn snow]

exploit community panic for what reason?

[stoic nymph]

I'm literally wanting a genuine patch for the switch

[fallow saffron]

And I believe they made an official statement on here saying that it was the same snail

[lime granite]

At this point they just need to temporarily take the entire game down and fix it from foundation up

[fiery perch]

[not pinging, but making a point!]

This is why it's important for it to be more... acknowledged? by s6 and mention the snowballs are an issue. Because people may not realize how severe it is, may not know it's even an issue, or even wonder if it's "real" or "memes" or whatever bc it's players trying to inform other players.

[gritty socket]

Lulz? Never underestimate the capacity of people to stoke panic because it's 'entertaining'

[scarlet hazel]

the WoW community could never do that... no.... /silly

[languid dock]

Yeah I thought it was an edit or something I had no idea it was that bad

[fiery perch]

i cant remember if they did it on the official discord, or if a s6 went into someone's [palia partner] stream to let them know. it was one or the other

[brisk spruce]

take a trip down memory lane with me! I view it as being made-up tbh but it made me laugh so hard

[fiery perch]

And I completely get that! Genuinely. It's why I feel like it's so important for S6 to properly acknowledge it for that reason. [but yes, it can very well be that bad , it is bad on switch as well.]

[worn snow]

i feel like switch wld be even worse cos small screen

[stoic nymph]

It is.

[languid dock]

Im on switch but haven't seen any be thrown but I haven't played much since this glitch started (I did just start recently right?)

[fallow saffron]

Found it!

[warm python]

Never forget

[worn snow]

brooo that's so silly. snailgate indeed

[stoic nymph]

That kinda low-key gets me mad? Why would they go into a twitch chat to announce that

[fiery perch]

It takes up a huge part of it, yeah. It also took a huge part of my own, too, and I'm on PC. Lowering the settings somehow made it worse for me, too.

[umbral lynx]

at least nowdays when you end up on someones plot you cant touch anything
sidenote they can see you when this happens its kinda funny

[fiery perch]

I think it was just to do chatting in general and answer questions. not rly trying to announce or anything tbh

[gritty socket]

Yeah, I seem to recall other people (who claimed to work with UE4) stating that some of the "video proof" posted during that time was... questionable. So IDK. And that one was something where lack of communication from S6 was entirely understandable IMO, because if there was a way to do that sort of thing, the last thing you want to do as a dev is make it public

[fallow saffron]

My friends and I tested out the snowball flashbang at my plot (on switch)

[languid dock]

How did they not see this before it got put out

[stoic nymph]

That made my phone light up 😭

[brisk spruce]

fun fact: the size of the flash depends on how close your camera is to it! so if you zoom in it takes up the whole screen, if you run away it gets smaller

[pearl wave]

phone: exploded

[fallow saffron]

I’ll repost and spoiler!

[mental hedge]

Me when I throw the actual sun at my friends

[pulsar meteor]

and we wonder why they banned flow usage...

[pearl wave]

sjlfe]gfd

[gritty socket]

Why do I get the feeling that this is a missing texture sort of thing that works fine on the developer builds?

[stoic nymph]

Subria LOVES US.

[pearl wave]

there are still missing textures 😭

[fiery perch]

The flash? It's there when you hit rocks/trees as well [at least for me], just on a smaller scale.

[pulsar meteor]

dev builds might also be on beefier comps with higher settings, iirc it's inversely proportional to detail

[west marlin]

It dosent tho you can see the flashbang effect in the trailer

[languid dock]

You can???

[pearl wave]

yes

[fallow saffron]

Image of snowball flashbang tested at my plot (on switch)
I apologize for not spoilering earlier
but yeah that is a sun - and this is just ONE person throwing a snowball btw

[gritty socket]

Hmm. Because I know in some of the stills it shows a much more subdued "snow puff" effect?

[pulsar meteor]

then why won't she come out and be around us when other people are present v.v

[stoic nymph]

She's antisocial just like me fr

[scarlet hazel]

social anxiety and she's so real for that

[fallow saffron]

Still laughing at this

[gritty socket]

I remember that a few months back we had the bug where the smoke textures from your plot's chimney was fully broken... but only on Medium textures, IIRC?

[fallow saffron]

From my pov those have been when you hit an object and not a player

[worn snow]

my little brother, bc of youtube, i assume, says "photosensitive epilepsy warning" randomly at flashing lights (he has sensory processing stuff so he's a lil more sensitive than us-- but none of us have epilepsy he just picked it up 😅)

so now the rest of my family is more aware of flashing lights ofc, and i honestly find it especially confusing someone wouldn't notice it.

i probably think of it sooner than a lot of other ppl would for various reasons, but no one on the team thinking of it? that seems wild

[fiery perch]

Spoilering first image for brightness.

First image, Zeki being hit by the snowball:: I do think this could technically be a 'flash' to try to do the transition, but it's pretty similar to how it can feel for other players who get hit by the snowball.

2nd image, there's at least a visible 'flash' or 'effect' around the player to indicate that it hit another player. It isn't the exact "flash" that we have now, but it at least showcases there's supposed to be some effect (other than the puff) imho.

[stoic nymph]

Yikes.

[pearl wave]

my eyessss :p

even zeki says "yikes"

[fiery perch]

Another still to show there's at least some sort of 'effect' when someone gets hit, that isn't just the puff of snow.

kinda looks like a bubble and now i wanna draw things in bubbles

[stoic nymph]

We could do without the halo effect.

[west marlin]

I don't think the issue is one of specfic settings but probably indivuals tolerance to the effect
Most people who say 'I don't notice' probably are just not sensitive to it. I've atleast never see it in a video or a stream of it not happening like that

It's kind of a moot point anyways, S6 acknowledged the issue and should hopefully be fixing it tomorrow.

[brisk spruce]

that's what I think too, because every time I've looked for videos of snowball fights it's there. it can look a little different depending on the settings but I've never seen it actually not be there

[gritty socket]

I think that, as a hit marker, the halo would probably be superior to the flash, at least for snowballs

[languid dock]

I thought they couldn't fix anything till January

[stoic nymph]

I would take that over the flash bang ATP

[west marlin]

Wc said eairler they are going to do a pc only hotfix

[languid dock]

Rip ;-;

[pulsar meteor]

#💬│palia-discussions message

[fiery perch]

And again, the flash effect-- I have a bit of a beefy PC. not the beefiest, but i can run Palia completely fine on full max settings. I still get that flash effect-- it is a tad larger than on max settings for me, again, when I have my settings on lowest and the like, but yeah. I just hope it gets actually fixed.

I just wanted to bring that up since i did see some mention about beefy pcs and the like, and when the smoke appeared weird on medium settings a while ago, etc.

[west marlin]

It's only ninetndo that has a blackout period for the holidays - and to Kalis point early that's probably why beta games are not fit for the switch store

[worn snow]

awwww so close....

[stoic nymph]

Facts.

[gritty socket]

Yeah, they're breaking the code freeze for it for PC. Can't really do that for Switch though; it's a client-side fix that needs to go through approval processes

[languid dock]

Damn, switch is my preferred gaming platform rn

[mental hedge]

my pc is on the beefier side as well and the flash is definitely noticeable

[stoic nymph]

Honestly same 😭

[west marlin]

My settings are maxxed and I get the issue

[languid dock]

I have a steam deck but I dont like how the controls are on it for palia

[pulsar meteor]

i might have misunderstood some of the comments (i've never had trouble with the flashes) but my understanding was that at higher resolutions the flash was less intense because whatever effect it was, was more detailed; which is unrelated to the occasional strobe bug

[fiery perch]

Do you not have trouble because of how it actually looks on your screen or because youre not sensitive to those kind of thigns? Genuine question

If it doesn't appear like it does that is being shown, is there any possible way that you can record that or show? I'm just curious as to how different it might be for others, and what could be be 'different' for one person compared to another, platform wise or settings

[mental hedge]

I've been looking into different user experiences with the issue, I'll make note to take resolutions into account as well to see if theres any difference

[pulsar meteor]

oh no the lawyers are here. everything i said was personal opinion and i make no promises nor guarantees of any particular interaction 😓

[fiery perch]

I've just seen some people mention it's not as bad, but i don't think i've actually seen any footage of that. So I'm just curious

[west marlin]

goose lawyer

[mental hedge]

too late, writing your name down specifically as we speak /j

[fiery perch]

Goose

[loud axle]

You could say your...

geese are cooked

Wow okay Einarbot rude ruining my joke

[gritty socket]

Ok, yeah, even from just the patch video on the home screen the flashing doesn't seem nearly as intense as what some people are reporting. looks more like a brief flash into a halo effect instead of surface of the sun

But I also don't suffer from photosensitive issues, so I may be missing the plot a bit

[brisk spruce]

here's two videos from last year. if you want to see the flash in slow motion you can go frame by frame in the first one:
https://youtu.be/YtRB-57f6kw?t=2844
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oCkBZUTKpEg

[fallow saffron]

Same

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pearl wave]

thanks paliabot

[gritty socket]

Oh yeah wow, there's a yellow flashing effect layered over the halo, looks like?

[fiery perch]

The patch video [imo] is def making it look a lot less than it actually is that's happening in the game itself.

[languid dock]

Are there any videos of how it looks on switch? Im like afraid to go off my plot especially since I get headaches easily with stuff like that

[fiery perch]

@languid dock this is a still image from the switch of it

[languid dock]

See yall in January ig then

[gritty socket]

Yeah, that's why I'm wondering if it's a settings thing?

[pearl wave]

no

[fiery perch]

I plan on doing more testing to see how the hotfix goes tomorrow, and I can test on my PC with medium settings. But I can at least say, on max, it's bad. On lowest, it's a little worse/larger, but it's still bad.

[pearl wave]

I send my settings to s6's support and verified with them. Its def on their end.

[pulsar meteor]

both - i don't have anything that seems like a flash

[fiery perch]

And mentioning the hotfix tomorrow, in case it's not fixed, of course*

[fiery perch]

Oh okay, so. it is completely fine when you hit the ground and wall. It happens when yo uhit another player

It's why I thought it was fixed, honestly, until people started throwing them at other people when snowballs got added. Cuz i tested it beforehand too on the ground.

It's like the flash is it 'registering' that it's hitting an entity.

[pulsar meteor]

ah! well if someone wants to come pelt me (for science) then i volunteer as tribute

[pearl wave]

I can @pulsar meteor

[stoic nymph]

I have been throwing my snowballs into my housing plot so I can get rid of them.

[fallow saffron]

(Snowball flashbang) ⚠️
I got a frame from the video you sent

[fiery perch]

Make sure you stay safe and take precautions.

[gritty socket]

I think that's what it is, yep! Probably not intended to show up, but it is

[pearl wave]

I just added you, evans ^^

[unreal mantle]

I mean not wrong

[fiery perch]

This also makes me want to mention, it's there [on a much smaller scale] when you hit a rock/tree as well. It's why i think it's the fact it's registering. I'm sure i'm one of the only ppl who have noticed that tho lol

[pulsar meteor]

i think i added you back and invited?

[fallow saffron]

I have a video of me (when testing) throwing a snowball at a friend and then the flashbang happens. And then hitting random furniture and there’s no flashbang.

[gritty socket]

ok yeah, it's their generic hit marker effect

[mental hedge]

thank you for your sacrifice in the name of science! Please be safe, though! and don't try to get a screenshot of it if it's too much for the eyes. we don't want anyone getting ill.

[gritty socket]

I'm shooting a wall with my bow and seeing the flash into a halo effect

[pearl wave]

ready?

[pearl wave]

not sure if u got that screenshot now :D

[pulsar meteor]

i did not, i can only grab stills and it hits before you throw it XD

[gritty socket]

They might consider looking into a more subtle impact effect more generally, really

[pulsar meteor]

i do get sort of a goldish yellowish blink though

[fiery perch]

i misread that as goldfish, and was like "omg a goldfish? 👀 "

[hard warren]

its me or its jsut chat broken in game?

[opal cypress]

Since Patch 0.187 players may experience issues with Chat and are unable to view any content in the Chat window. More Known Issues in the patch notes.
You can reach Player Support here.

[pearl wave]

but that's what we talking about when its come to snowballs against players ^^;

[gritty socket]

Yeah, that's the impact effect. It's not just with snowballs either. Bowshots into objects will show that too

[pearl wave]

haha thanks mods for putting that info down <3

not sure if u done with that snowballs thing oops evan

[pulsar meteor]

then yeah i'd say mostly in the 'not personally affected by effects like that' camp

[pallid ferry]

Sell them!

[pearl wave]

How come my images don't work in here

[fallow saffron]

There’s also a “destroy” option /gen

[stoic nymph]

@fallow saffron @pallid ferry I didn't know those were options? That's amazing to know thank you!!

[pallid ferry]

There was a user in here earlier today who'd been playing for a while, but first time discord user. They came in asking about chat being broken. Had no idea about the snowballs and admitted they'd been throwing them at random people. They immediately felt bad.

[hollow crescent]

you can sell them too

[gritty socket]

It's a distance thing, too. if you're far away from it, it's a lot less... visibly oppressive than I can see it being if you're right up next to a thing being hit - or even worse - being the thing being hit

[pulsar meteor]

like if one is zoomed in to aim at the return snowball shot, makes sense

[fallow saffron]

Can’t imagine a whole bunch of people throwing snowballs at one person. Their screen must be so lit up

[gritty socket]

Oh... and the hit indicator scales with the size of the thing being hit. That'll do it, yup

[pearl wave]

spoiler: flashy but here

[brisk spruce]

I've actually mentioned all of these details before lol between my various rants... over the past year...

[gritty socket]

Oddly, I never really noticed it much before. Which makes me think it's judged as fine at its normal use case, but when you're hitting something as big as a person...

[fiery perch]

Just know I appreciate it and appreciate you

[pallid ferry]

If they can't fix it in-game, this section of the patch notes needs to be fixed to warn players that some Winterlights items are dangerous to photosensitive viewers (if they still refuse to reference the snowballs directly, which I for one think they should) and remove/replace the gif of the snowball fight that leads players to believe the flashbang might be fixed.

[fallow saffron]

I have a video of it, but I don’t want to share in case it’s not safe. Even if it’s spoilered

[fiery perch]

#💬│palia-discussions message

[warm python]

honestly I think they should just delete that paragraph for now

[pallid ferry]

Yeah, read that bit, and I find it insulting. MOST players would not behave that way. Ones doing it intentionally can be reported.

[fiery perch]

I agree with you.

[pallid ferry]

Like I said, a fellow came in here earlier today who admitted to throwing snowballs bc he had no idea they were an issue... until entering this chat room to ask about broken chat.

[gritty socket]

Honestly, they could probably just remove the generic impact effect entirely, or maybe cull it at a certain minimum distance? it is useful for those long shots where you don't know where you hit to have that feedback, though. The dust puffs from impact alone might not be as visible

[fallow saffron]

Oh yeah that was when he blamed the players for possibly throwing more snowballs if S6 told them not to - vs S6 literally advertising snowball fights?????

Make it make sense

[fallow saffron]

I saw!

[fiery perch]

Yeah, I brought up the fact earlier how there are players who stopped once they learned how awful they are for other people. There's def some people who are jerks and will do it intentionally, but there has been a lot more players, that i've seen, who have recognized how bad it is and have started to prefer to ask for consent, or even "hey, let's have a snowball fight over here away from others!" and even took breaks.

[fallow saffron]

Honestly it’s saying a lot that he came in here and said that the players would make it worse

[pallid ferry]

I'm sincerely hoping this forces them to finally add accessibility options for sensitive players.

[brisk spruce]

I also pointed out that those of us who are photosensitive can't avoid other people or decide against playing the game while the snowballs flash if y'know... we don't know about it because there's no warning...

[pallid ferry]

True. From the patch notes, it looks safe for yall.

[fiery perch]

The gif even made people hope it was fixed. :\

[fallow saffron]

Sigh

[umbral lynx]

Palia is for everyone, unless you have a disability

[fallow saffron]

They’ll continue to come in here and say “we care” while advertising it

[rough plinth]

The issue with Tamala's cauldron was fixed?

[fiery perch]

No

[stoic nymph]

That's a hill I'm willing to die on

[rough plinth]

Man...

[fallow saffron]

Or a certain body type because what are these 2 options 😭

[pallid ferry]

Safe to say that this was the worst patch yet all around. Including the broken Temple of the Gales.

[pallid ferry]

The options are bump or cameltoe.

[lime granite]

palia released an update that causes harm and discomfort to its users? whoa that's never happened before /HEAVY sarcasm

[languid dock]

At this rate I may just wait another year to play the game, or even for full release

[fiery perch]

I was going to make a joke about how i spit out my coffee, then remembered the emote and. um.

just know you made me laugh LOL

[fallow saffron]

Will it be around in a year

[lime granite]

palia will dissolve before it ever gets out of beta

[languid dock]

Every update something makes the game near unplayable I swear

[fallow saffron]

But there’s always the cosmetics

[mental hedge]

I am still so salty that they used the character that looks like mine for that

[hollow crescent]

gale it affected everyone, even ppl that didn’t think running around or falling would be an issue, here it’s most players, even as mild as headaches to the severe case but still effected all the same , and gales you could avoid if you just didn’t want to do it and wait for them do to so
something about (which i guess is a wip but eyeroll )

[pallid ferry]

Just log on now and then for the rewards so you don't get FOMO. Like everyone who missed out on the Palcat plushies. Still waiting on my icy and ocean colored cats

[languid dock]

I just deleted the game off my switch lmao

[umbral lynx]

do i have 2 images you might wanna smack down when s6 shows up

[fiery perch]

Like i said, it's just confirmed youre/your character is in the gif /j

[hollow crescent]

just 2

[umbral lynx]

Well 3 if you count lettuce I've been lazy ok totally not making emotes for mortis

[fiery perch]

just wanting to say that i still hope gales gets improved and there's a way i can continue the story/questline without needing to do it.

[mental hedge]

Fine, I confess, reth poured coffee into my mouth but I didn't think they'd record it! /j

[fiery perch]

Goose.

[fallow saffron]

Same. No fomo if there’s no game

[mental hedge]

[pallid ferry]

Lettuce has been on my bingo card since they gave us some. GIVE. ME.

[hollow crescent]

fr they said it’s in the process but they have to find the “time” and idk what that means if you do monthly updates anyway just throw it in with elderwoods at this point

[umbral lynx]

Totally got the images and recoloured no shady work here

[pallid ferry]

It's been a while since I've saved something that fast.

[fallow saffron]

Do you have one for the snail?

[hollow crescent]

and now color tints

[umbral lynx]

I can time to ss a video

[umbral lynx]

I do like making gifs and not playing palia today

[pulsar meteor]

outfit flaunter and archer, right??

[gritty socket]

It's a prioritization thing, most likely. Having to find time to work on it while also still being able to work on the main thing (Elderwoods). I've found in a lot of games I've played, it takes a bit to prioritize older content as opposed to working on newer content. Heck, I play ESO, and they only recently announced that they're going back to old content to make it match current visual standards

The joys of being a MMO/Live Service title is that you'll always have a portion of the playerbase chomping at the bit for "more content" so a lot of older stuff seems to get left behind, or at the very least deprioritized. Since finishing Gales is probably going to be a requirement for Elderwoods, though, maybe we'll see more movement on that sooner?

[pallid ferry]

S6 better be writing on their big office whiteboard "player toggle flash & outfit effects in settings" (2 separate settings) so that it's the first thing they tackle and add in

[gritty socket]

There's a certain amount of gaming archeology you can do where you can play something from the start of a new character to current endgame and go "ah, here's where they clearly tried something new and it didn't work out, so they stopped doing it"

I love Warframe, but boy is there a lot of that in Warframe.

...I should get back to playing Warframe.

[pallid ferry]

Meanwhile there's a lawyer somewhere rubbing their hands together like a grimalkin.

[mental hedge]

You called?

[fiery perch]

The way I cackled.

[hollow crescent]

also yea i get that but just as you said where it’s a requirement (or might be) for elderwoods i think it’d be pretty important xD who knows

[fiery perch]

[Not saying you agree/disagree, just adding onto this convo as a whole]

It is definitely different though, comparing current visual standards vs accessibility concerns. Accessbility, whether it's through older content or new [which, honestly, a lot is moreso current, like chat ui scaling], should be up near the higher priority tbh.

[hollow crescent]

guess depends on what they see as priorities

[gritty socket]

Oh, I agree with that.

[fiery perch]

yeah, I figured you would. it's why i wanted to clarify i didnt think you were like, disagreeing haha

[gritty socket]

It's also likely more complex to add in a skip feature to already existing content than we might think. In fact, I recall Vega saying as much

If they're making something from scratch, they can consider how to incorporate a feature as they're making it. Older content? There's stuff already existing to consider

[hollow crescent]

mmhm yea iiirc that too

[gritty socket]

I feel like a lot of things that aren't implemented yet or have gone wrong aren't meant as deliberate slights or not caring... but are just the result of a dev team that has gone through several sets of layoffs and are finally starting to pick up the pieces after a loss of both staff and - more importantly - institutional knowledge.

[pulsar meteor]

it's also easy for us to imagine fixes in an ideal code/ dev environment, and we've got no idea what shortcuts or longcuts they may have taken along the way

[unreal mantle]

Not having bright flashes you can spam like that was industry 101 even in the 90s and early 2000s.

[pulsar meteor]

like if it's a cumulative flag applied to a player instance for times rezzed, that's straightforward enough. but if it's a conversation step, they'd potentially need to redo the whole conversation for anyone who was in-progress and then migrate every one of them

[hexed cloak]

Yes, the game is in shambles rn but I have hope

[pulsar meteor]

by way of counterpoint, they don't even have the launcher properly handling when it's trying to update the same file twice >_>

(that's several of those OS errors we see periodically)

[gritty socket]

I'm going to push back on bright flashing being cared about in the 90's at least, as I remember a lot of games back then not caring at all about bright fullscreen flashing

[hexed cloak]

Edge cases my beloved

[hollow crescent]

so true

[unreal mantle]

Yeah and they couldn't be on nintendo- the standards you had to pass after the late 90s included it HAD to pass a strobe test for triggering seizures - flashes were allowed- rapid flashes of dark to light were absolutely not

As soon as they made it spamable like this they had to make it a toggle we could client side turn off- this also was raised last year this isn't a new bug

[old dirge]

though .... narrative?? flashbangs are still pretty standard even in games with no flash effects which sucks when the whole screen goes while for a transition in a darkly lit game

[fiery perch]

Vega said something similar, yes. I've talked to Vega about this vaguely and briefly.

[unreal mantle]

Something something companies got held accountable for kids being sent to hospitals and Nintendo slammed down like 100 tons of bricks on that

[fiery perch]

Some games are trying to add accessibility to have it flash black or be more inverted/gradual instead of white! Which I think is interesting and nice.

[unreal mantle]

Yes- and those get big gnarly 30 sec or so warning screens

Also COD and other games like that are NOT the market Palia has established for itself. It makes zero sense- and no this isn't something you can cherry pick games that were made fun of in the 2000s for doing dumb things with flashbangs- as if they were not the exception instead of the norm- or that none of them had to pay out massive fines

When I say I worked IN the industry I mean I personally worked in teams on the game dev side for almost a decade

when I say we all had "Pikachu check" I mean we had to check anytime something might get Nintendo in trouble- same with Hot Coffee checks for bugs that made things potentially seen as not safe for work in kids games

aka - strobe = instant bug in a kids friendly game

This is a kids friendly game- thus- no really the standard we all had in the late 90s and early 2000s at 3 different large companies was to ALWAYS report any way you could possibly make flashes repeat

A slow flash is different than the fast flashes we are seeing too

[hollow crescent]

very interesting didn’t realized all that was into to flashes

[brisk spruce]

so very different slow flashes are far less likely to cause migraines or epileptic issues. that's why these snowballs suck so much

[unreal mantle]

It literally was my day job for almost a decade- I worked gamecube basically it's entire run and that standard was burned into my brainpan- it was my job to snag any that we missed to avoid extra submission fees for failing to catch it before Nintendo did

Yes exactly- slow pulse? Okay-
Rapid and repeatable, variable and not regulated via timers? NOPE.

That's the standard we had at, EA, 2k Games, THQ and 2 other companies I know others joked about Pikachu Bugs but I did not personally see the code base for

ESPECIALLY kids games- which Palia counts as that- no matter how dark the hinted lore is

[umbral lynx]

@fallow saffron ey sorry for the ping but what we naming the snail boi

personally id name him kevin

[pulsar meteor]

which one >_>

[fallow saffron]

[hollow crescent]

name it wilson

[fallow saffron]

They’re sisters not twins or whatever

[umbral lynx]

Kevin

[fallow saffron]

[pulsar meteor]

Victoria! that's the era for the gas lamps, right?

[pallid ferry]

Gail the Garden Snail

[pulsar meteor]

(disclaimer i don't think they intended to mislead but it's funny)

[umbral lynx]

I snailed something happened while I was doing this but can't mod mail so you get a funny instead

[fallow saffron]

They did lie afterwards tho

[unreal mantle]

To explain the joke- Pikachu is because Nintendo was infamously photosensitivity aware and vigilent after kids got hospitalized for a Pokemon episode- and Nintendo made a huge set of rules to prevent it ever being associated- thus- if a game pulls this sort of thing without huge warning screens that soak for a certain amount of time (usually 12-30 seconds depending on standard) or are aimed for kids- Nintendo standards exist

[umbral lynx]

Yeah it's clear marketing team isn't a internal team at s6 it's just funny how they handle it... Like we can be mad (and within reason) but we can enjoy it too

[pulsar meteor]

that's what i mean, i find it much more likely they just genuinely didn't realize it was different and never cared to check

[hollow crescent]

yes i rmember learning about this in a class once 👀

[granite crag]

emotes for mortis yas

[unreal mantle]

Yeah that was a wild time to be in the industry

[gritty socket]

Agreed on both counts; it's likely there was a miscommunication somewhere up the chain; I've suspected for a while that there's a disconnect between whoever is working on the marketing materials and the coders

[umbral lynx]

Not every bad situation is a doom and gloom and if people wanna wallow they can do that but we can also have fun with it

[twilit zephyr]

So my brother got me a new PC to play games on and it seems like I have to start all over again because when I first started playing I was doing it only through switch.

[umbral lynx]

Now to throw a gif into the mix in the name of elithesia

[pulsar meteor]

you should be able to use the palia account credentials to play on PC and access all that progress!

[dreamy ether]

Did you created an account to link to the switch? You should be able to link that same account to PC to play the same character.

[twilit zephyr]

So now I can't access my old account and I worked so hard on it 😭

[hollow crescent]

you’d have to use the QR code on switch to make a web account so you can link them properly

uuh what’s the command…

[pulsar meteor]

!linking nope, hmm

[twilit zephyr]

How do you do that?

[hollow crescent]

!drops

[opal cypress]

Twitch Drops

Current drops.

How to connect:

• Step 1: Connect your Palia account to Twitch.
  Note: If you initially skipped the linking process on your Switch, your account is currently an unlinked account. To upgrade your account, follow these steps.
• Step 2: Look for any stream that mentions Palia drops are turned on, any streamer can do this. Check out the Palia Partner list.
• Step 3: Check - Twitch Inventory for your rewards and progress information on drops.

[hollow crescent]

click on where it says “these steps” and there is photos

[twilit zephyr]

No I only got the game through switch months ago because I didn't have a working PC to get steam

[hollow crescent]

this is to connect twitch but you’d need to upgrade your accounts to like one you can link switch to

[gritty socket]

Honestly, one thing that told me the marketing videos are at least partially outsourced is that when they showed the hero outfits in the last patch preview, the tiny descriptions added for flair were in... Mandarin, I think? Now, there's nothing wrong with inherently outsourcing marketing materials, mind! The issue comes when you don't have people properly checking the marketing materials for stuff that's inaccurate to the actual patch content

[hollow crescent]

otherwise you can contact support for help in it

[hexed cloak]

This is how the actual transformation effect of that outfit looks like in the game too

[pulsar meteor]

in the little animation? that's just how the animation looks

[hollow crescent]

me it was when movies did trailers and they spoil stuff in it

[gritty socket]

Oh? really? it has the little selector with text?

[hexed cloak]

Yup but it's just cosmetic

[umbral lynx]

yeah all they gotta do is add a cute lil
'hey guys teehee we so funny footage doesnt actually reflect on ingame or update but this is cute no?'
idk isnt there a law about that beta or not

[gritty socket]

Because if it does... shame it's not written in Palian

[fiery perch]

Yep, it sure does.

[pulsar meteor]

that being said, yes a fair bit of their marketing stuff is on contract basis, but we've had hiccups before - i recall last winterlights people got hyped about hanging things from the fireplace, but it was just free-placed because it looked better

[hexed cloak]

I think it's a reference to Chinese gacha games

[fiery perch]

considering that 1 outfit is just amber from genshin---

[gritty socket]

Not really a "law" IIRC, but it's usually a way to cover your bases for exactly that sort of situation

[hexed cloak]

Yes, the outfit itself is a reference too haha

[gritty socket]

They did eventually add that; not sure if it was a case of "we had this working on the dev servers, but weren't planning on adding it this patch" or if they literally just added in an unplanned feature due to backlash

[pulsar meteor]

oh yep and the CM put out that disclaimer afterwards #📢│palia-news message

[umbral lynx]

i mean im not super sure on USA thats why i never push about how they didnt read steam ToS i mean i talk about it and link to it but after that eh
just means they dont read fine print so not super shocked they wont add some on a video either overlay or description
which tbh after the snowball pains i do hope they do something like that for future things to save them alot of headaches

[lean berry]

pretty sure a LOT of the outfits are refs

[hexed cloak]

Yes, the pretty protector too

[pulsar meteor]

dying to know what Hotdog Hero comes from then XD

[fiery perch]

I mean, yes. But I just laugh because that 1 outfit is literally just Amber from Genshin lol.

[lean berry]

there's like, one or two warhammer refs I believe?

[gritty socket]

I wish we could hang wreaths on doors, on that note, but I can see how that might not be doable (the doors don't actually have collision IIRC)

[hexed cloak]

Which ones is that haha

[gritty socket]

Eh, I think it's different enough tbh, as someone who was around when people were making that comparison. Different enough that S6 won't be in hot water for it, at any rate

[lean berry]

I can't remember names (I'm bad with names...) but, one was armor-y and one looked like a commissar.

plus, the literal golden warhammer skin for picks

[pulsar meteor]

in the cozy darkness of the far future, there is only flow...

[umbral lynx]

ill just repost that gif from my phone then hurr hurr

[gritty socket]

https://tenor.com/view/suspect-guilty-i-think-you-should-leave-itysl-obvious-gif-19455657

Ah, ok, tenor gifs don't embed, right

[pulsar meteor]

gotta get the altos instead

[gritty socket]

I do think there was a hot-dog-related thing around the time of that outfit popping up that it's referencing? Honestly, I like the hotdog suit; I'd argue it fits in a bit more than some of the more recent additions, even if I love them

[plain kiln]

I feel like I'm never going to get a flow tree seed lol. I didn't get mine with the quest and the Ancient Galdur Statue never drops them 😦

[hexed cloak]

||Did you do the gardener's new oneness quest? You need to do that one to be eligible for flow tree seeds||

[plain kiln]

Yes, long ago lol

[twilit zephyr]

I might as well just start over with a new account because everything is so complicated for me. I have intellectual disabilities and doing things on computers tend to be overwhelming

https://tenor.com/view/mission-yozakura-family-mission-yozakura-family-yozakura-family-gif-35564743320074738

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[novel canyon]

I got 3 flow pinecones in a row and haven’t gotten any since then lol I keep hoping every new day will bring one again

[stuck oar]

Saving this for... reasons ~innocent whistle~

[fiery perch]

Hey TinyDragon, hope youre well

[stuck oar]

Did you do one of these for the honey bunch chair in the sitting gif?

Asking for a Tiny friend

[umbral lynx]

thats alot words i dont know
but if you ping me the image or reference i can do

[stuck oar]

💞 doing as well as I can, hope you are as well biscuit.

[stuck oar]

Hold plz

[frail zinc]

Is there a list of bugs they r fixing tomorrow?

[umbral lynx]

i send a ping somewhere :p

[fiery perch]

💕 Pretty much the same! Thank you

[stone girder]

They are attempting to fix chat and snowballs tomorrow.

[fiery perch]

Snowballs for pc, specifically.

[pulsar meteor]

or so we have assumed

[brisk spruce]

I'm not assuming snowballs are included in tomorrow's hotfix until they say it is, especially since it's not even a guarantee that it'll happen at all.

although comments under the assumption that it's happening probably should include the pc-only part

[hard basin]

This happen more frequent now sometime it slowly build up, some just instant. Not muh as the snowball but It's still might cause some unwanted effect.

[granite crag]

Exactly what happened to me yesterday- which reminds me i need to send my clip in

Oh wait I did send it in

[lean berry]

you look like you're a you-shaped conceptual white hole made real

[stone girder]

WizardCrab confirmed this is what they're attempting

[stone girder]

Correct, I should probably be specifying that it's for PC to all the people I'm answering, thanks.

[stone girder]

Yes, I just realised for myself I should be including that part, I own that.

[brisk spruce]

I think the issue is more that he said the fix might not work, so even if they try it, it's not confirmed that snowballs will actually be fixed on PC after the hotfix. We likely won't know until we log in and try it

[fiery perch]

It is still an assumption, because even they don't know it's going to work. I think that is moreso what evan was saying

[stone girder]

WizardCrab specifically said the goal for the hotfix is an attempt to address the chat and snowball issue for PC.

[brisk spruce]

I was there when he said it and I'm the one who forwarded it to #♿│accessibility-discussions, I know what he said.

[delicate pumice]

Literally all they have to do is remove Snowballs till they fix it, it's not that hard

[stone girder]

Thus why I said "attempt", the fact remains, this IS what the hotfix is for.

[fiery perch]

🙃 Okay. And nobody is trying to say that isn't the fact... we're literally saying the same thing. I was just clarifying what evan probably meant

[Wanting to clarify, 🙃 is because it feels like we're all saying the same thing.]

[stone girder]

I interpreted them as saying we are assuming that's what the hotfix is for, I was just trying to clarify that it has actually been stated the hotfix is an attempt to fix those 2 things on PC. I don't mean to come across in any other way than just helping clarify.

[fiery perch]

I will say tho, i don't recall anybody [official] saying the hotfix was for the chat. I only recall it talking about snowball flashes for the PC.

[If you do have a source/link, I would like to see that so I can also link that to others if needed when talking about this hotfix.]

[gritty socket]

I'm not entirely sure if the snowball stuff is going to be fixed with this specific announced maintenance? The maintenance announcement makes it sound like it's going to be a server-side thing, and from WC's communications earlier, it sounds like the snowball fix will need to be client-side, hence the mention it's going to have to be PC only

[fiery perch]

tbh this is kind of a good point, cuz it's not really clarified that this one is for this. Only that WC/The team is working on one. He did say ""The patch could be as soon as tomorrow."", which is probably why I've been thinking this one that's happening, was for it.

I actually had to re-read bc of this, cuz i was like oh wait, lol

[stone girder]

Sigh. I'm on my phone right now and scrolled back to the message to forward it then lost my place. I've just seen above that you reread it. Did you see where they talk about the hotfix and that it's before the holidays and that they mention chat as well? This message was sent mere minutes before the palia status update.

[unreal mantle]

I am excited to finally be able to maybe play the game again... it was too dangerous with the flashes

[lime wolf]

we do want to include a fix for both in a patch tomorrow, but patches are expensive in that it involves downtime and potential for adding on more issues, which is why we have to carefully schedule them and what changes go into it

[stone girder]

I'd also like to acknowledge that WizardCrab really put themselves out there by giving as much info as they did. Doesn't make up for the general lack of communication and transparency, I know, but they obviously personally care and wanted to give us something to go on.

[fiery perch]

I'll keep my response short, since I see someone from S6 is typing, but i'll at least say-- I did see that, but again, it says they were looking into it! Idk how else to word this either, but I'm autistic, so when things aren't very clear, it makes it difficult to see/view it as such.

@lime wolf, sorry for the ping, just with slowmode I want to make sure I respond to you when I can::

Thank you! Having clear communication like this really helps clear things up. I don't mind that there is a patch at all or a downtime! I was just merely talking about how things are worded.

[gritty socket]

Hopefully we get a new CM or two after the holidays so we have a proper liason between the team and the community. Having to also be a CM on top of their other duties has to be rough

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[stone girder]

It is absolutely valid that it's confusing because it isn't an official statement, per se, it was WizardCrab as an individual giving people in this channel some "inside" info. To further clarify, this was said before it became official they were doing the hotfix tomorrow. That message was posted before palia-status confirmed an actual hotfix for tomorrow. Does that help?

[stone girder]

Absolutely, I agree, and it's something I've also said and acknowledged to WizardCrab as well. I can't even imagine the mental load.

[fiery perch]

I don't see a point in continuing the convo with the clarification [for me], only because we have someone from s6 who clarified it for me. but thank you.

[stone girder]

Absolutely, no worries, genuinely only wanting to help so if it isn't, I'm happy to end the convo

[stone girder]

Thank you for adding this, it's really appreciated.

[pearl wave]

you're a ghost, Mortis

[hard basin]

I pull the inventory tab to cover the flashbang behind but yeah I'm just a pair of eyes in darkness ||lore||

[earnest hare]

as a dev the flashing snowballs shouldn't be hard to fix. if they used components to build the animations it's one tick on or off. if it's baked into the animation they'd need to remove those frames which is achievable

even easier in unreal engine

[celest maple]

is it normal to play 30 hours of Palia in 3 days guys?

[hexed cloak]

That's just 10 hours a day
Not the worst I'll say

[celest maple]

yeah, ur right thanks

[hexed cloak]

If it was 30 hours in 2 days then that would be alarming

[narrow narwhal]

But if it was 30 hours in 1 day I'd be very impressed!

[scarlet hazel]

Idk how long I play these days. Not too long I imagine

[hexed cloak]

I play like 1-3 hrs a day in the evening
Some days maybe 4, on weekends can be 6

[scarlet hazel]

I think I play only like... Less then a minute at a time now. There's just not much to do except decorating for me

[hexed cloak]

Must be nice having hobbies /half-serious

Used to play so many different games... It's just Palia now

No idea why this game resonated so much with me but it did

[stone girder]

I relate to this, fr 😅

[lean berry]

all of what you said, all of it.

I may occasionally dissapear, but that's what I do to evade burnout

[warm python]

30 hours in one day is how I feel I play games these days >_> currently playing Dave the Diver 30 hours a day

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[lost acorn]

Uhhhh is there an in-game warning for that? I feel like that's kind of a big problem

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[delicate pumice]

There apparently is in the new announcement thing, but otherwise no there isn't

And obviously the devs decided to promote snowballs because that's the way to go! /sarc

Apparently they're trying to fix the issue but only for pc
So sorry switch players! Enjoy having a seizure

[lost acorn]

That's really messed up...

[delicate pumice]

Yep
And from what I've seen, this issue was the same last year

[lost acorn]

I used to love this game but as a person with a seizure disorder I'm regretting ever monetarily supporting Palia.

[runic eagle]

That's not due to S6 though, that's because Nintendo is closed down for end of year so they can't add any new patches until January. But Wizard Crab said messaging them might be possible and he's going to dig in with the team and figure out what happened so it doesn't happen again. #💬│palia-discussions message

[brisk spruce]

it's due to S6 regardless, this was incredibly irresponsible of them. we reported this problem to them last year and it got ignored because of their holiday break, and now it's happening for a second year in a row. they had a WHOLE YEAR to fix it.

[hexed cloak]

They still have the power to disable snowball throwing server side. Better this than flashbang

[runic eagle]

I agree with y'all
I was just replying to the part saying " apprarently they are trying to fix the issue but it's only for PC, so sorry Switch players enjoy having a seizure." That part isn't on S6, it's due to Nintendo being closed down.

[brisk spruce]

but it is still due to S6, because they know their own pipeline is locked down at the end of the year. if they had fixed it when it was reported (or in the months following) it would never have gotten to this point this year

[hexed cloak]

Thing is, if they just temporarily disable snowballs for everyone on the server side, everyone will be safe. If they did that and released a public statement outlining the reasons why, I think everyone would understand. Safety of players should be number 1 priority for any game company

I assume they will be hotfixing the server side. Neither the PC nor the Switch client will receive an update

[runic eagle]

This is what WC had to say on the topic yesterday #💬│palia-discussions message

Yeah there's a lot he came to talk about if you search his name in chat

[hexed cloak]

Get them some cookies 🍪

[noble linden]

https://tenor.com/view/lee-wav-gif-13027744700205481657

[safe iron]

So we cant chat! 😩

[stone girder]

No but they are attempting a fix in a few hours with the upcoming maintenance, no promises though and it is only for PC due to limitations.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pallid ferry]

refreshes patch notes to see if they altered what was in their control. Is unsurprised.

[cinder lynx]

I just "love" how twitch drops just brings out the false palia players who only just play for the viewership then go back to their own thing, it really is killing the game

[alpine cliff]

I would that S6's constant need to heavily push microtransactions over actual content/bug fixes into every patch is ruining the game. But that's just me.

[lime granite]

S6s ableism and disregard for their player base, in addition to absolutely horrid communication skills from the ground up, is ruining the game imo

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[stoic nymph]

It'd be nice to get specific about which console got the update instead of everyone assuming they're gonna fix it across the board.

[lime granite]

S6 gave another poor communication attempt that's vague and skirting accepting ownership and responsibility for their actions (or lack of action?) Shocking! /s

Where's my shocked Pikachu emoji?! o:

[granite crag]

[lime granite]

Yeeess thank you

[red comet]

Excuses excuses. If this snowball thing has been around for a year, they had a year to make the appropriate changes

[red comet]

I also love how their twitter retweets are just streamers who probably play once and then forget about it again until the next sponsorship

[scarlet hazel]

I'm really confused. Who are the false players? /Genq

[red comet]

Read my reply above yours

[scarlet hazel]

So people who only talk about the twitch drops?

I just woke up and I'm still sleepy so my brain is not booted up yet

[runic eagle]

I have already shared above that I was referring to a previous comment saying "they were only trying to fix it for PC users and not Switch, so sorry switch players! Enjoy having a seizure." That part is due to Nintendo being closed until January.

Please don't ping me anymore on the topic when I was only trying to provide what was posted #🌟│sixer-tracker in here for others to read, thanks

[red comet]

Well dang it's a public platform. I'll do what I like, thank you very much

[scarlet hazel]

I might go back to sleep

[hollow crescent]

streamers have a lot of content they need to go through, so their probably prioritizing “i’ll only play on update days” or like you said when it’s a sponsorship . to me a “false player” is if you aren’t even playing the game but making comments on it without the intention of ever playing (not saying this applies to players who used to play and are not anymore)

[hollow crescent]

i wish that were me but my cats say no

[sick wadi]

So you have a cat issue, too, lol

[hollow crescent]

i have 2 😅 and 2 dogs that wanna go play in the snow 😔 so coffee time and the outside QQ

[sick wadi]

Same, 2 cats, 2 boxers 🐈 🐶

[pulsar meteor]

i'm not that conversant on the intricacies of streaming, so take this with a grain of salt, but the streamers I've gotten to know are very attentive to the wants of their viewers. part of the push via twitch drops is to get more people watching, playing, and talking about the game; so even if they go back to another after the campaign it's still been a bump to Palia. outside of that, they'll play as much of the game as they/ their fans want

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[dry swift]

Hopefully Elderwoods is what the fans hope it'll be and breath some much-needed life back into the game. In the meanwhile, glad everyone is having a civil discussion about the future of the game.

Just hope that those of you playing Palia are having fun. And those of you that have quit or are taking a break have found something else you enjoy in the meantime 🙂

[delicate pumice]

Literally...
Someone even had the audacity to say "they didn't get around to it"
How could you not get round to it after basically 2 years?? This is the second year, what's their excuse?

[signal kayak]

focusing on the premium shop

[dreamy ether]

Everytime I wake up and check this chat, its like that meme image with the guy walking into the burning apartment with the stack of pizzas.

[dry swift]

I honestly am just bored of bashing S6 and Palia now. It's like kicking a pile of dirt. It doesn't do anything productive. I feel like I haven't played in so long I would also not be great at providing valuable feedback to the game so I'm just here for the memes and for the rare update.

[dreamy ether]

I'm in the same boat. I joined this discord to get updates and see chat with people who like and are enjoying the game and it seems like 90% of it is just complaints.

[brisk spruce]

I used to enjoy the game, but they've locked me out of playing two winters in a row

[dreamy ether]

At this point, I wish they'd just remove snowballs altogether. Whatever fun could be had from it, isn't worth the weeks of constant negativity and complaints.

[dry swift]

There is totally valid stuff, like the snowball VFX glitch is definitely a potential lawsuit and S6 kind-of shrugged it off for the last year like it wasn't a big deal. Then players wanting more non-shop related content seems fairly valid too for a live service game.

But a lot of the issue also seems to be from lack of direction for the game and also being dictated by Nintendo about exactly what and when they release in updates.

[dreamy ether]

I'm not saying the complaints aren't valid. The snowball one for sure is. But weeks of constant complaints and arguments over it just chases off new players joining the discord and gives the discord a pretty negative vibe. I just don't see having a useless projectile to throw at people being worth all of this.

[brittle egret]

Palia will be down for maintenance again today???

[dreamy ether]

Just remove the snowballs and be done with it.

[dreamy ether]

According to one of the community managers last night, they're testing out a fix for the snowball issue. No guarantees it will work though.

[dry swift]

I think that's gaming discords in general with fairly medium-large communities. They turn into an echo chamber where one player says "I don't like x about y because z" then it snowballs into what we see here on a daily basis.

[hollow crescent]

mhm and it’s not even gaming or could be anything, gotta think to lots of ppl coming into discord for first time are gonna (probably) have the same/different options so it brings up the same convos too

[lime granite]

Problem is it isn't just snowballs doing it. There is a laundry list of problems in the accessibility channel that are causing issues for disabled players and frankly it's pathetic to be happening this far in.
Additionally, the complaints stem from S6 and their sheer inability to communicate like professionals therefore breaking trust with the majority of their player base. Most of us who complain have been here since open beta started and even before.

[trim shore]

I pop in from time to time to see what the latest discussion/problem is because it helps me see whether I wanna jump back on or not. I haven’t played in couple months, logged in for a second for the maji market, but then logged off. I’m hopeful that when the elderwood is released it’ll bring people back, but I guess we will see

[brisk spruce]

I mean, when players have a complaint where the heck are they supposed to put it? the people who complain here all play the game, or used to and stopped because of problems they had (often accessibility problems or lack of content). we want to love the game and they just repeatedly show us we're not actually a priority in the slightest.

[dreamy ether]

From what one of the CMs said last night, it sounds like they aren't really allowed to say anything to the community before its 100% confirmed and, lately, S6 has been confirming things extremely last minute. Hence the lack of communication.

[trim shore]

I don’t care about house plots or plushies or snowballs so I don’t feel like I’m technically missing anything lol I just want more story stuff

[dreamy ether]

I would like to see more things like "These are the bugfixes we're currently working on" or something though

[polar elbow]

I still remember the bug I had the first week of closed beta where anytime I talked in chat it'd crash everyone else in the same server
Not me, but literally everyone else except me

[dreamy ether]

I'm the exact opposite. I don't care at all about the story, but I love the collectables.

[lime granite]

I said s6. Not mods. Not devs. S6. The company. I'm aware it is a top down issue. "Complaints stem from S6 and their sheer inability to communicate."

[delicate pumice]

For me, this is also a domino effect.

My mother has vestibular migraines, if she gets a migraine she can be bedridden for nearly a month depending on how bad it is.

What if someone else is in a similar situation? What if someone misses a month of work because they're in hospital or bedridden because of a bug that can easily be removed?
They'd have work problems, have to catch up, they'd lose money, which in this economy is the difference between eating or not eating

[trim shore]

How funny! Well I hope to see that the game will be able to provide interesting gameplay for both sides!

[delicate pumice]

A simple, easily fixable bug, could cause someone medical and financial issues in just a minute

[dreamy ether]

Yep! I hope with both get what we want from future updates! 🙂

[lime granite]

And not only a bug that could be removed but never even warned about!!!
Just give us the ability to toggle off visual effects. If call of duty can make flashbangs dim instead of brighten, S6 can give us the ability to turn off visual effects on activities and outfits.

[dreamy ether]

While I agree with you that it needs to be fixed asap, how do you know its a "simple, easily fixable bug"? Many bugs are not as simple and easy to fix and people seem to think they are. Programming rarely works that way.

[lime granite]

An easily overlooked warning in an announcement most people have turned off and a discord bot post is not a warning

[delicate pumice]

They can literally just remove the snowballs...

[dreamy ether]

Ah, ok that's what you meant. I agree with that 100% then.

[delicate pumice]

Fr☹️
They even PROMOTED it, despite "knowing" about the issue

[lime granite]

It's truly pathetic. What a perfect example of money over life.

[delicate pumice]

Exactly
Like yea people are complaining a lot, but rightfully so??
Someone could die and s6 are more worried about money

[lime granite]

I had to stop playing when hot pot got put in the underground because the excessive visual FXs from cash shop items was causing me to feel sick and my head weird and it scared me.

[hollow crescent]

not even that i heard it was an edited post too so it doesn’t show up right away when it’s supposed to (i have mine to show new announcements and i didn’t see it i had to manually go into the tab)

[pallid ferry]

I was hoping after they realized their announcements weren't doing anything, that they'd edit the snowball promotion off of the patch notes at least. We all know they can edit THAT quickly.

[lime granite]

Exactly. Yeah people are complaining but as a new player, I'd rather know the issues upfront people have before I get invested in a game.

[polar elbow]

I think it's great that the game is fulfilling your wishes, I just wish that there was more focus on other aspects of the game aside from home decor/collectables and premium items, and more care given to game features and accessibility in particular

As someone who got bored of home decor/collectables a long time ago, I really hope that someday palia might be able to offer something gameplay-wise, or earnable-reward-wise, that gives me a reason to log in and play again

[lime granite]

As i always say, palia: gaslight, gatekeep, guilt trip.

[dreamy ether]

Knowing the issues is definitely a good thing. But as someone who has only been in the discord for a week, it seems like everything is doom and gloom, complaining, and constant negativity.

[delicate pumice]

Until they actually start listening to their players, I refuse to support them
I've hardly touched the game lately ☹️

[lime granite]

Fx toggle? Nah it never existed in patch notes nope, totally didn't slip it out in an edit /s

[dreamy ether]

I've been strongly debating just muting everything except the Info & Updates section and just not bothering with the community anymore since its become so negative.

[delicate pumice]

True
But again, someone could die and a lot of people seem to ignore that fact

[lime granite]

I deleted the game from every device and launcher i had it on months ago. So many i know have been as well

[delicate pumice]

Anyone.
A child, a parent, someone's grandparent, could lose their life
And S6 (and some players) don't seem to give a single care about it

[hollow crescent]

yea cuz it said now but it’s in 14 mins

[stoic nymph]

I thought that was just me

[dry swift]

Unfortunately a lot of that just stems from poor communication on s6's part. But I agree. The discussions thread is mostly negativity but with feedback sprinkled in. If this isn't for you, I'd recommend muting it. Palia-general tends to be the more positive thread.

[pallid ferry]

This is the discussions channel. It's meant for players who want to hash things out more thoroughly. And the hot discussion this update is the dangers being posted to players. For lighter content, there's General, Chill, and the Cafe.

[hollow crescent]

maybe i only read the first line

[lime granite]

If you want toxic positivity and false hope #💬│palia-general is the way to go.

Not discussions. We got ran out to here for having a single critical thought that wasn't PRAISE S6 PRAISE PALIA.
There are plenty of other channels to go if you don't want real discussion.

[pallid ferry]

The Lore and Art channels are also lovely.

[delicate pumice]

I LOVE the art channels💔 people's art is so amazing

[dreamy ether]

I mean, the negativity has been seeping into the general channel too, which is where I normally am. But if that's what this channel is, then I guess I'll just peace out from here. Hope the game eventually becomes something you all enjoy.

[polar elbow]

I'd really love to see a straight "no VFX" option, tbh
Game's gotten flashier and flashier over time, and "low" settings don't actually reduce the flashiness, they just seem to disable opacity on the VFX (which winds up making them look even brighter than "high" settings

[lime granite]

The decor channel has lovely helpful ppl very often too!

[pallid ferry]

Long hotfix... dare we hope?

[delicate pumice]

I've been playing for less than a month and already lost hope😭

[lime granite]

Hope is an illusion.

[old dirge]

I was going to ask, do we think that they found more they could very quickly fix and/or got more through rough testing since the announcement? or did their run through in another environment just show them that it'd take longer?

[pallid ferry]

TBF, if we hadn't spent the last few days screaming in here, S6 likely wouldn't be doing any patches until the new year, based on what the devs said when they popped in here. I credit this hotfix to our anger.

[delicate pumice]

RIOTTTT 😈 /Silly

[old dirge]

hope has ripped nails and bloody knuckles demanding better

[lime granite]

[raven orbit]

The reason why you'll generally see more 'negativity' here is because other channels aren't built for long conversation. Trying to have a genuine, long-form conversation is usually interrupted with stickers or something. This one isn't and is mainly one filled with players who have been playing for over a year at this point - three for folks who were in alpha - so we've got plenty of experience to back up the thoughts and feelings we discuss here.

It's not just 'negativity' for the sake of it, we want the game to be better and deliver on things it promised / continued to promise. Like accessibility, for example, which has been virtually ignored for a year. /gen

[lime granite]

I need this on a tshirt

[pallid ferry]

I want to go back to being able to enjoy playing with all my friends.

[pulsar meteor]

if they've gotta have their next two patches pretty much locked for Nintendo, then I'd imagine the hotfix would only be the minimum critical items, because it'll have knock-on effects with versioning and propagation in the code

[brisk spruce]

seriously, I only knew the snowballs still had the problem this year because I was playing the game and was harassed by someone with them. I wouldn't be here if I wasn't still trying to play

[dry swift]

Why does it feel more and more like going to the Switch was a mistake?

[delicate pumice]

Fr😭 the switch is literally the only thing I can afford right now, the unfairness is crazy

[lime granite]

Because it was. Because they weren't ready. They were told they weren't ready. And yet...

[signal kayak]

probably because it was and this is a switch player talking

[raven orbit]

The switch release was rushed, so that's probably why. They had no business launching on switch so fast...the fact they had to scrub the fact they consider the game in 'beta' to get it on there speaks a lot /gen

[pulsar meteor]

because you're not a switch-only player. like Crab said, lots of folks couldn't have played at all if it weren't for that

[loud axle]

Yeah, choosing to launch on multiple platforms while still keeping the game in beta was not the smartest move.

[vivid oar]

Also remember most of us here genuinely love the crap out of the game, we wouldnt be here whinging in the first place if we didnt :P

[old dirge]

depends on the what - if there were additional database values that were altered with promising effect in dev/qa/test/sandbox that they need to verify in prod on both platforms then that could account for the additional time. or it's just more infra process than originally thought to make sure the planned changes apply

[dry swift]

But isn't a switch like, a few hundred bucks? Basically same price as a low-end PC.

[raven orbit]

The switch release wouldn't have been so bad if they just waited until the game was stable on PC and more fleshed out

[loud axle]

Nintendo doesn't allow beta games on the Switch for a reason, and we've seen the results of ignoring that several times at this point.

[old dirge]

it really felt they they had to get it out on switch by the end of 2023 Or Else ™️

[dry swift]

Might be out of touch with console gaming, but I feel like a PC is more useful and in more households than a Nintendo Switch.

[pulsar meteor]

i think the lite was $200, and a PC capable of running Palia is going to be at least twice that

[delicate pumice]

The average gaming PC/PC needed to run palia is AT LEAST
£400-600

[vivid oar]

I think the 'cozy gamer' demographic is probably bigger on switch, especially after the animal crossing boom

[polar elbow]

Which is honestly why I feel like the best solution given the circumstances might just be to remove all the snowball items from players' inventories, remove the sources where players might obtain additional snowballs, and just give players something as compensation until it's for-sure fixed
I admit to not knowing everything that goes on in the backend but modifying player/shop inventories should be a server-side thing, not a clientside thing so it seems like a possible solution if clientside fixes are impossible atm

[worn snow]

froggies (hi ily btw) what was that graph of the innaccessibility cycle bc i'm Watching it Happen in real time.

[lime granite]

Not to mention the switch is accessible for people who have disabilities and mobility issues and need to spend a lot of time in bed. They also have console exclusive games that you can't get on a PC or any other console

[pulsar meteor]

i personally have had a computer for 30 years so it's always the default in my head, but i was surprised to learn how many gamers were in the nintendo ecosystem and nothing else

[raven orbit]

lemme find it 💚

[dry swift]

I don't have anything against Switch users, it's just that it feels like moving Palia to switch severely handicapped development and put us under Nintendo's regime.

[lime granite]

Plus some people need or want the ease of access of a switch and the portability.

[worn snow]

palia just wasn't ready for switch. that's all imo

i say this as someone who plays several games on switch that are much better than pc

[pulsar meteor]

to be clear i don't disagree with this sentiment, it's certainly made a rougher experience for me, but 'mistake' is a very charged word

[lime granite]

Launching on switch when they did in the state of the game being where it was in progress was a poor business move.

[loud axle]

Well TBF it wasn't a mistake it was very much intentional 😛

[lime granite]

Call it what you want but it shouldn't have happened when it did. But all s6 saw was dollar signs.

[old dirge]

which makes me wonder if they were going to lose funding if they missed or moved that milestone again

[raven orbit]

here it is 💚

[pulsar meteor]

this has always been my assumption, though on a customer-revenue basis rather than investments - if they hadn't opened up those additional markets on Steam and Switch, they may not have had the income to have made it this far

[hollow crescent]

depends on the house tbh, i know some don’t have pcs but might have laptops and then consoles/ handheld or just handhelds for gaming, it’s different for everyone

[pallid ferry]

I wonder if there was reasoning behind putting it on Nintendo before Steam. Unless Steam just took longer to approve?

[vivid oar]

MAYBE it is better for the long term for it to be released on switch and get to many many more players even at a bit of disadvantage to the game. If not enough people play and purchase to fund the game it couldnt live long enough to eventually (hopefully) be great on both platforms? Or maybe Im coping

[old dirge]

bit of a catch22 though - they needed to be on switch asap for growth & revenue reasons, but needed to wait to be on switch for retention reasons

[lime granite]

Palia: short term goals for long term problems. Aka nothing ever gets solved.

If only they had a road map so they didn't get lost in their own ego.

[raven orbit]

I know, at least, that in the case of the steam release that it likely was something they were pushed by higher-ups just based on the fact they were warned about not being able to retroactively add the early-access label to the game on steam and still went ahead with it

[old dirge]

proper PCs are increasingly rare - tablets, phones, chromebooks, and the like are more affordable while fewer people know how to use a computer

[hollow crescent]

for what it is i’m glad it’s on switch, just things could be a tad better xD

[pallid ferry]

I'd be more inclined to play on the Switch if it wasn't locked to 1 user per device. Or rather, 1 login per paid online Nintendo subscription. edit And if the graphics didn't look awful

[warm python]

Pushing it on Switch early might have given them a short term cash injection but we've been seeing the repercussions for it that will now always be there

[raven orbit]

The one week beta didn't help either, to be honest

[lime granite]

Beta? Never heard of her /s

[hollow crescent]

you can sign in tho with multi nintendo accounts on the same switch i heard? at least that’s how they said it was for families if they only had one switch

[worn snow]

this whole snowball thing reminds me of that. we made sm noise ab snowballs last christmas, we made sm noise ab early access prior to steam release, annnddddd... i hate to say i told them so (i love to say i told them so)

[old dirge]

imagine a world where closed beta went a few months instead and open started in dec or jan

[warm python]

This will always, always leave a bad taste in my mouth and what completely made me lose trust in S6 lolsob

[vivid oar]

Im glad for switch players too, I took a look at it on switch once but its so bad going from pc to switch I couldnt deal with it lmao

[pallid ferry]

Each account will still need it's own online subscription, regardless if the main profile has one.

[polar elbow]

The thing about new platform releases is, it's a wonderful chance to get an entire new audience interested in the game, but you only get one real shot at making a good first impression for each new audience

[old dirge]

wonder what it would have been like if the Switch2 had come out around the times of the first or second set of predictions

[raven orbit]

There's a game I've been playing (well was playing, I kind of stopped for a bit) where their alpha tests (which feel more like a beta with how polished the game is already tbh) are two months. The whole one week beta thing was so wild to me. That's so little time to test and acurately fix things

[pulsar meteor]

not sure what you mean by 'subscription', it does need distinct nintendo accounts but i'm not paying for online and could still play on my switch

[brisk spruce]

honestly I have a family plan and everyone in my family is part of it, including out of house relatives like my brother and MIL and BIL for less than the price of 2 individual plans
but also, you don't need NSO for Palia last I launched it

[hollow crescent]

same i haven’t paid for anything also

[old dirge]

the one week closed beta was really just an extended tech test of production at best

[narrow narwhal]

We are very lucky in many regards.

[lime granite]

And be appreciative that so many people feel passionate enough about their product to kick up a fuss in the first place. Bad PR is better than no PR

[old dirge]

not needing a nintendo subscription for the game was a huge deal and possibly the #1 FAQ for months since it is an online game

[hexed cloak]

Well Switch 2 would've still needed time to gain traction and grow its playerbase

[old dirge]

i mean from a tech perspective, would it have been robust enough for the differences to be easy to shrug off if they only were on the switch2 not the original or lite

[hexed cloak]

Well the game would run much better on Switch 2. Switch 1 is powered by mobile hardware from 2015.

[pallid ferry]

I only log in on my switch when I need a second account to help do decorating glitching and none of my friends are available. It looks so rough compared to PC play

[narrow narwhal]

Haha if you have insider knowledge about what the Switch 2 is I wouldn't share it here 😉

[worn snow]

talk about an nda fr

[hollow crescent]

it’s been ok for me except hunting sometimes but recently i lad every few seconds so it’s been a bit

[hexed cloak]

I'm not an insider, just seen... ahem... "news articles"

[hollow crescent]

secrets?!

[scarlet hazel]

The switch 2 should be an upgrade regardless of what info is out there. It'll hopefully run way better then the switch 1

[narrow narwhal]

I thought they already announced Switch 2 and it's called Alarmo 😄

[pulsar meteor]

yeah, the hardware adoption curve means it's always going to be a moving target (it's still relating to a question about targeted dev for Palia, though we probably shouldn't wander much further)

[hexed cloak]

Well looks like it is so, judging by the sales

[scarlet hazel]

I bet the switch 2 is going to be super expensive tho

[worn snow]

nintendo is suing palworld to fund the switch 2 guys have some empathy

starving devs

[vivid oar]

It wont be pulled from the switch 1 when the switch 2 comes out for quite a while no? So even then it will still have to cater to the limitations of switch 1?

[warm python]

Alarmo super cute aaaand WAIT IT'S A HUNDRED BUCKS?

[hexed cloak]

If they price it higher than a Steam Deck it will fail just like the Wii U did.

[narrow narwhal]

I got a new Switch for my birthday when TotK came out since my old switch was making the most horrible fan noises and I was afriad it was going to blow up and lose all my saves and now I'd feel bad getting a Switch 2 unless there's a very important reason to... Maybe in a few years for me 😦

[pallid ferry]

My Gameboy still works. I mean, I only have Galaga, Q-Bert, and Toy Story for it, but that brick has some miles.

[narrow narwhal]

RIP to my pokemon cartridge batteries

[hexed cloak]

They're totally not a multi billion yen corporation, they need that money!

[pallid ferry]

I lost my Gameboy Advance to leaky batteries. Worst discovery ever.

[warm python]

My switch has been making annoyed fan noises but I don't console game a ton anymore so I'm trying to hold off till switch 2

[hollow crescent]

i feel that my lite is ok but i’ll hear it’s fans now and then if i’m paying like an hour so i tend not to as much, then my sis plays on it all day and i’m like “pls don’t breakdown for a while”

[worn snow]

my switch is a handmedown (50 bucks from older bro) bc my brother did just that-- he got the special oled totk one. but he's gonna get switch 2 immediately when it comes out. so... im hoping he'll give me his oled

[hexed cloak]

My laptop makes horrible fan noises when I play Palia on it. But I capped it to 30 fps and it's fine

[narrow narwhal]

I've just heard too many horror stories of folks losing all their game saves when their switch dies and I cannot handle that level of devastation

[warm python]

Anyway not a dev but what I can say re: similar situations, FFXIV had the same issue with PS3 support and getting to the point where it was just holding the game back so they had to eventually drop it, though it was a while till they got to that point and the game was working fine on it till they wanted to push the boundaries

So I guess not really the same but lnfbsb

[loud axle]

Some of the bearings on my PC fan are loose and I'm too lazy to go in there, take OUT the fan, take it apart, and tighten them... so I just have the entire thing tipped over and leaning against my wall so it doesn't make the noise~

[hollow crescent]

even if you get a card for it? i’m saving for one so my sis has her games on there

[hexed cloak]

I have a whole box of PC fans right over there in my field of view rn

[warm python]

I would sob if my Theatrhythm save got lost

[loud axle]

Legit it would probably take me like 30 minutes to do but... I don't wanna.

[polar elbow]

hey WC 👋
Since you're here, I wanted to ask- can yall look into a "no VFX" (at least, disable all non-essential VFX) option in the future? I think having the ability to just disable all effects like these would go a long way to mitigating any issues like this... a huge part of why this whole snowball thing is such a large problem is that there's no way for the player to disable any of the flashes or effects on their end- not just from snowballs but from other things as well

Changing settings to "low" doesn't work, it in fact makes many effects brighter/stronger which is another thing that should be examined in the near future

[hexed cloak]

Also: what happened to the outfit VFX toggle and why was it removed from the patch notes back then?

[scarlet hazel]

And disabling pets during hotpot would be good too. I bet some people intentionally use distracting pets to make others lose on purpose and such

[old dirge]

As is tradition

[hexed cloak]

Yes, ideally both on the wearer's side and globally

[pallid ferry]

With every update coming out with a flashy VFX premium outfit now, I definitely need to be able to turn off other people's sparkle.

[narrow narwhal]

I'm sure there are ways - it just scares me.

[pallid ferry]

I'm hoping there's some accessibility fixes being thrown up on the whiteboard for coming updates. I'm still waiting to buy the Hero outfit. (even though all I want from it is the top from the male version.)

[hollow crescent]

[brittle egret]

Well i guess ill be here sulking since I cant play palia lol.. lets hope the game is actually playable again. I would get stuck in my home plot soooo much it was so frustrating.

[brisk spruce]

actually yes, the save files are always on the internal drive of the Switch. the cards are only for the game files

so if the switch dies and you don't have everything backed up on the cloud you can still lose everything even if you thought you moved everything to the card

[polar elbow]

I would love the option to both:
-toggle outfit effects globally, for my client
-toggle effects for my own outfit, server-side
There's a lot of outfits I actually like, visually, but having random things floating around them ruins them for me
many effects take an outfit from a "hmm... might actually buy that" to a "nope, I don't even want it now" for me v.v

[pallid ferry]

Which, GO S6. The Hero Bundle was the best outfit combo they've ever put out- both a feminine and masculine version, AND all color variants available when purchased. Hope to see more of that.

[delicate pumice]

Same💔
Waiting till they stop trying to kill people

[narrow narwhal]

Not sure. Likely caused a bunch of other issues. Or it didn't actually work. But I really don't know. It wouldn't have been removed if there wasn't some specific reason.

I could try to find out though.

[untold wing]

Why can we not move all garden plots even if they are sharing a crop? I'd love to move my plot around to redecorate it, but cannot until the garden is done growing Dx SEND HALP!!!!

[brittle egret]

yes that needs to be taken more seriously for surrrrre

[hollow crescent]

omg fr? darn guess i need to do some back ups for certain games then

[pallid ferry]

I initally bought the antlers (soothsayer?) but then asked for a refund b/c when purchasing you couldn't tell that one variant of the antlers...molds? grows moss? A "toggle self-effects" button would've meant I could keep it. I was NOT about to stare at moldy antlers.

[polar elbow]

Yeah, I actually considered buying the hero outfit because it offered all colors in one purchase, and I'd want to encourage more of that, but I stopped for two reasons:

1. unable to buy feminine hair + masc outfit without paying full price for both
2. unable to toggle all the effects off, only the companion

[warm python]

I think one of the issues that grew from it wasn't just that it didn't show up, but that it got silently wiped from the patch notes without a word

So yeah, another thing communication would have super helped about and hopefully will be better about in the future!

[brisk spruce]

I'm glad I saw your comment so I could let you know tbh I was very annoyed when I learned that, I've had to learn to live with the idea of some of my game saves just potentially going poof and I am NOT fond of it.

[scarlet hazel]

I wish there was a free way to obtain some of the outfits. I'd grind out 1000 wood or whatever if it meant I could make myself a premium outfit for free

[hexed cloak]

Tbf, the hero outfit's effects are not intrusive and are actually pleasing, unlike some of the other outfits

Would've loved to turn off the stupid hunting effect though

[polar elbow]

Having floaty gems circle around my character nonstop is something I personally consider intrusive ^^;

[hollow crescent]

i’m just glad the ones i play are 2 online ones (sky and palia) so they save anyway and the other one i already “beat” but was just doing some extra achievements in

[warm python]

My kingdom for free earnable outfits my favorite things in online games

[hollow crescent]

i wouldn’t mind if they show up now and then like effects in wow on certain outfits

[scarlet hazel]

I need something to work towards that isn't just decorating or smth...

[hexed cloak]

You probably have different ideas for your in-game character, I got it because it fits my character's lore

[polar elbow]

I just don't want them at all lol. I want a toggle for the companion AND the gems, not just for the little bird companion thing
Then everyone's happy

[hexed cloak]

1000 wood is actually only about an hour of chopping I think

[worn snow]

i just wanna say it seems like internal communication is as bad as external communication

[scarlet hazel]

I'd take an hour or longer then needing to pay up money that I just won't ever have

[brisk spruce]

I saw you post in the sky discord the other day I cant remember context but I laughed when I saw the pfp and realized it was you

[hexed cloak]

If they do make them earnable, I'd imagine you'd have to grind for like a week to get one

[narrow narwhal]

That makes sense.

[hollow crescent]

don’t have nitro so can’t change it

[warm python]

The amount of time I've spent in FFXIV chasing earnable cosmetics has been uhhh

we don't talk about my /playtime

[brisk spruce]

lmao yeah, same. I feel it. it was a pleasant surprise though, nice recognizing someone in the wild

[scarlet hazel]

I'd take a week to be able to earn a premium outfit

[hollow crescent]

same with mounts and pets (looking at you little blue bird)

[warm python]

I heard they recently buffed the droprate of that bleepbleepbleeeeeeeeeping bird so I may try farming for it again sometime

[hollow crescent]

noooo

[hexed cloak]

Tbh a lot of my Palia playtime was spent grinding out fishing (my favorite skill btw 💙)

[warm python]

Only ever seen it drop twice and once it went to the RPR who was dead on the ground 90% of the damn dungeon grumble grumble grumble

[hollow crescent]

everytime i see this pic i’m reminded to go fish… then i don’t

[scarlet hazel]

Sorry for the direct reply but would it ever be possible to earn premium outfits for free via just grinding normal resources a ton? I just can't buy anything unless someone pays for me...

But being able to have a premium outfit so I'm not stuck with the basic outfits would be a game changer and a goal I can work towards that isn't just decorating

[hollow crescent]

i was with my bro and it dropped he won it so now has it out whenever he’s near me 😅

[hexed cloak]

Speaking of "someone pays for me", I would love to see a premium gifting feature so I can buy outfits for friends

[warm python]

lmfkjashd the other time it dropped one of my besties got it and it's been on sight ever since--

[scarlet hazel]

Same. I sent in feedback about it a few times but I don't think it ever got read

[polar elbow]

yeah, my character personally isn't big on flashy effects so any outfit that has ultra flashy effects that can't be disabled is an instant "pass" for me, regardless of how nice it might look otherwise. Unfortunately that leaves a lot of the outfits on the 'hard pass' list. 😅

[hexed cloak]

Do it

[brisk spruce]

a lot of people have expressed this desire in this channel as well

[hexed cloak]

You will grow up to be a nice, big and strong fisherperson 💙

[autumn isle]

I initially read that as fishperson lol

[hexed cloak]

I'm definitely a fish person

[supple marsh]

Fish person for life lol

[vivid oar]

I'd love this too, wanted to buy a friend something for their birthday and just giving them the money for it felt weird lmao

[hexed cloak]

My workaround has been to buy eShop/Steam codes and telling the person "hey go buy something in Palia"

[scarlet hazel]

I did think of using steam to get an outfit but I don't know how to use steam. Just launch games to play

[hollow crescent]

gift cards are the same thing stick a little present with it and say “enjoy”

[vivid oar]

Oh good idea, never thought of that :O

[scarlet hazel]

I do wish you could instead farm a lot to get premium outfits. It would be a good resource sink and a way to give people goals to work to while new content is coming out

So with something to work towards, people won't get as snippy when a lack of content is around cause we can work to getting outfits we can't afford

[hollow crescent]

could do the reknown? make a weekly task out of it or something idk, leave “extra special” outfits for premium store

[scarlet hazel]

I struggle with getting renown tbh... So that'd be exhausting

[hexed cloak]

I would even take a gold exchange with a ridiculous exchange rate, like 100,000 gold = 10 Palia coins
Would make gold actually useful in endgame lol

[pallid ferry]

The amount of money I'd spend if I could just buy parts of an outfit for a discounted price. This is a look for me.

[hollow crescent]

would need to adjust prices/gold payouts but yea

[polar elbow]

I really want the feminine hero hair, and the masculine hero outfit... I'm just not willing to pay full price for both sets just so I can wear 1/3rd of each one. (I'd be using different pants lol) >>

[narrow narwhal]

I wish it were that simple. This is a much longer conversation that I can't have here and now, but the dream would obviously be that outfits are earnable for those who can't afford them or won't purchase them and purchasable for those who can and are happy to. But the very very real truth is that much, much stronger games than ours have destroyed their monetization through even the lightest drips of free earning, where a lot of players who would have been happy to spend are more than happy to play for hundreds of hours to avoid spending even a dollar. People who play games like playing games, and the value of feeling like you earned something is really hard to compete with. If we weren't F2P (e.g. subscription), we could do that but without other revenue streams it would destroy us and there would just be no Palia. That sounds extreme and you might want to argue against me and you might be right, but that's the stance and it was not arrived at lightly or without a massive amount of consideration as to the positives AND negatives.

Early in 2025 we're going to be releasing some opportunities to help provide additional options for folks who don't value our cosmetics at their base prices (which has always been the plan but despite the feelings here, we've not funded our monetization features nearly the way we've funded other parts of our game), including some limited options for getting a small amount of Palia coins at a discount, an expansion of sales and discounts to help people find prices that are right for them, and some very limited premium gifting options. But earning our current premium outfits is not under consideration.

And when I say I can't have the conversation here and now, I mean I won't. We have an upcoming post to discuss it when some of these new features are announced.

[pallid ferry]

Prays for hat bundles

[polar elbow]

Early in 2025 we're going to be releasing some opportunities to help provide additional options for folks who don't value our cosmetics at their base prices
Is allowing purchases of individual outfit pieces part of this, I hope? because that by itself would be a huge help to many people

[scarlet hazel]

So... I guess I'll just forever be a basic noob then...

[hexed cloak]

Will there be earnable outfits which are separate from the premium outfits and are less fancy?

[vivid oar]

Since a single hat in a single colour is $5, I dont think anyone would enjoy the price of that :P

[narrow narwhal]

And when I say I can't have the conversation here and now, I mean I won't. We have an upcoming post to discuss it when some of these new features are announced.

[celest maple]

There is something I kind of want to ask - is there a plan to make individual longer hair styles that are not connected to outfits even if at a premium? I eye the one for the hometown hero but it's connected to set itself.

[narrow narwhal]

And when I say I can't have the conversation here and now, I mean I won't. We have an upcoming post to discuss it when some of these new features are announced.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[warm python]

Maybe I'm reading wrong but I think a lot of people have been wanting to earn separate, simpler outfits, and not have every outfit ever forever cash shop only

not that they necessarily expect to earn coins or earn cash shop outfits

but yeah

[narrow narwhal]

I wouldn't say plan, but like with the braided hair style now that we can make longer hair I'm sure we will when we end up adding more hairstyles. But this is not a promise - I just don't see why we wouldn't.

[celest maple]

Alright, and that is np! I know dev work things can change, it's very appreciated regardless hearing about it

[scarlet hazel]

I just can't afford any of the outfits.. I don't have my own income currently

[pallid ferry]

I think it's right to delay this conversation, when right now accessibility for players is a much more pressing issue.

[narrow narwhal]

I hear that. I don't want to respond though because every response sets expectations in all kind of ways.

[willow tulip]

@safe fulcrum

[polar elbow]

I see... as for earnable outfits, I know you're not going to say anything about it right now, so I'll just throw out my wish and hope it's taken into consideration:
I really hope that skill-themed outfits will be earnable. I'm okay with extravagant stuff being premium exclusive, stuff like costumes and whatnot, but I think that if any outfits should be earnable, skill themed ones are the way to go

[scarlet hazel]

Hopefully the snowballs are fixed with the maintenance

[hollow crescent]

i’m interested to see the post too think it’d be good to see more of S6 side of the topic than what you can post here

[west marlin]

It would be nice to see more visual progression on your character above and beyond swiping your credit card

[warm python]

That's fine, just wanted to get it out there since it's something that comes up here a lot. As someone with a buttload of playtime in games because of earnable cosmetics, I can assure you on the player retention it helps with lmao

[narrow narwhal]

I know, I'm sorry. I wish there were a simple solution.

[vivid oar]

Being able to earn small discounts to paid items by doing in game stuff actually sounds like a really cool idea (unless I totally misunderstood that which is possible lmao)

[livid lagoon]

I'll just say this: I already had no confidence in the seeming business plan and policies, but the more I hear, the less confidence I have in the long term survival of this game.

[polar elbow]

this is what it boils down to, for me, a total lack of visual progression outside of your housing plot
I want earnable rewards I can show off in the world, on my character, not just in a place I have to invite someone to to even have a chance at being seen
Nameplates were a good start but I really hope that there's more than that

[warm python]

I'd just love to see options. You can leave cash shop stuff as cash shop stuff but it'd be nice for the F2P people to be able to earn things too other than furniture and plushies

[west marlin]

There's nothing to show off in the world which is so contrary to a game that is all about progression of hoarding shiny things

[livid lagoon]

If I had more confidence in the plans, I'd be more willing to part with money. But not with the current state of the game, and not with what the business plans seem to be (both before and after statements).

[west marlin]

Nothing about my character expresses my commitment to the game and a guy who joined 20 minutes ago can look just like me for 40 bucks

[pallid ferry]

Hoping snowballs get completely fixed and everyone gets to enjoy pelting their friends with something other than stink bombs, BUT as a contingency plan if the hotfix does NOT affect the snowball flashbang, @narrow narwhal would it be possible to remove this portion of the patchnotes, to reduce likelihood of accidents? The gif would have to go as well, as it led many players to believe the issue from last year had been fixed.

[kindred pasture]

None of my friends are interested in playing because there are no earnable cosmetics outside of trophies in our houses no one can visit unless we are on.

[celest maple]

Just dropping this in here: thanks all of you at s6 who are working hard on the game 😉
I know everyone does a lot of complaining too, but thats just because they are passionate about the game.

[dusty urchin]

@livid lagoon imo it comes down to communication. If the gaming company is total up front then Im like ok. But if they takes weeks to even communicate anything then it becomes deceptive and ok, now what are you trying to hide? any game if they had chat shut down would be on that in 24 hours to be fixed. chat is a huge function in any game. but again they dont communicate with us well at all that is a fact...so will they fix chat today? no communication to us at all and that just #1 teaches society oh its ok to put out shabby work and not fix it and #2 again we dont value you and are not communicating or making you a priority....just thoughts

[west marlin]

Yeah I get it the 'showing off' factor is huge for games like this and there's not really any incentive to go see people's lots

[polar elbow]

It feels... wrong to me, that someone who's played palia for, say, 5000 hours, has level 100+ in all skills, is still stuck with the exact same cosmetic options as a fresh player who started 10 minutes ago, and not being given a single chance to earn anything else through actual gameplay.
I really hope to see that change in the future 😔
(edited to account for the fact that we did recently get a few additional default options, but still nothing earnable)

[dusty urchin]

@kindred pasture agree visitng if someone is on or not would be a nice upgrade. should have been that way to start imo

[livid lagoon]

Almost willing to make bets: Between now and end of 2025 we'll have subscriptions or passes too.

[scarlet hazel]

I'm around 100 hours now+ however long it was when I was still using the old standalone launcher and I only have basic clothes

[hexed cloak]

I would love to see skill nameplates. I want the world to see my insane level in fishing

[vivid oar]

Id love to earn things similar to toys in wow, things you place in the world that stay there temporarily. Campfires, fishing chairs, disco ball, things like that

[dusty urchin]

yeah 1935 hours here and thats prob small potatoes

[celest maple]

Fishing friends unite

[pallid ferry]

Have them scale like the housing ones do

[dusty urchin]

geez id love to fish more if the rng wasnt so horrible

[kindred pasture]

I cut the developers some slack when something is in early access...I even spend money to support it but if issues like the not having progression cosmetics is not "fixed" then it makes it look like Star Citizen and I bail.

[west marlin]

It's not in early acesss

[livid lagoon]

The communication is atrocious. But there's so much more shady they need to "fix" too, and show that they have a proper plan. Even then I disagree with their monetization scheme.

[kindred pasture]

They don't call it that - but versioning tells another story.

[livid lagoon]

It is a beta.

[west marlin]

Like surely there's some skill/time basis for a middle ground between the ugly basic cloth outfits and the extremely flamboyant outfits in the shop

[kindred pasture]

Oh...yeah that's much better but also makes the money grab even more creepy.

[livid lagoon]

To be fair, it feels much more like an alpha at best than a beta, but I know a bunch of folks here disagree with that.

[neat compass]

When I first read this I thought it said "between now and 2025" and I was gonna say wow that's barely more than 10 days 🤣

It's very possible. Although a subscription would require them to add features to the game that would actually be worth locking behind a subscription 🤔

[kindred pasture]

Too stable for Alpha 😄

[west marlin]

I ain't saying a thing

[livid lagoon]

Stable? 😂

[warm python]

tbh if they don't feel the need to say they're a beta/early access on their storefronts and marketing then I don't feel the need to say it either they wanna present as a full release then I'll call it one but

(very sore spot of mine sorry lmao)

[hexed cloak]

Well they gotta get money for development from somewhere

[kindred pasture]

I am an old man...tested early WoW and LOTRO.....this is stable 😄

[livid lagoon]

At the end of the day, I still say that it doesn't matter if it is alpha, beta, early access or whatever. It is a product, it is marketed as a product, they sell things.

[dusty urchin]

@livid lagoon completly agree with you

[warm python]

oh LotRO.... god the hours I put into that game

[neat compass]

that's valid imo. why should S6 benefit from the beta excuse when they don't even want to inform their players that the game is in beta

[kindred pasture]

years....YEARS!!!!

[warm python]

Half of my playtime was probably just watching performers in Bree/doing musical performances there

[hexed cloak]

Yeah, being unable to cook a big chunk of cooking recipes for a month, being locked out of major quests, chat suddenly breaking after an update (in an MMO mind you!), very stable

[earnest geyser]

wow they broke it 2 days in a row...going for 3 now

[dusty urchin]

idk if any of you remember asherons call game. (was so epic at its time) we had to pay vent to be able to voice chat. but if they had an error on the game after patch with in two days they would have made a brand new event just to say sorry. give aways etc. you could tell it mattered what their player base thought

[kindred pasture]

We have very different definitions of stable. Those are bugs....stable means my game doesn't crash nor servers bomb.

I didn't say it was polished 😛

[past timber]

Do we know yet if the 100s of new colour tints thing was a big marketing error or if the patch just bugged out and didn't include them?

[willow tulip]

highly unlikely. seeing as this patch wont update for switch users as well

[umbral lynx]

Hey I got told we just gonna view palia as a full release instead of a beta... I'm down they don't wanna read steams tos? Cool Ill not read there's not gonna market and label it as a open beta ok i will judge them as a full release LET'S GO

[remote latch]

buys an outfit I like, wear it a few times, put basic free outfit on for long term wearing.
Outfit I wear at the moment, is one I bought that allows me to fly without a visible glider - I'm happy with that.

[willow tulip]

more than likely a marketing error if i had to guess... either that or they're teasing it unfairly for the january patch

[kindred pasture]

I baught what I needed to look like Indiana Jones 😄

[neat compass]

I'm cool with minor bugs in beta and even fully-released games. That's how live service rolls, I get it. It happens, they fix it, the end. But the last few "major" patches have had issues with the primary selling point of the update. Yaaay Maji Market! Jk it's very broken. That's okay, here's the conclusion to the prologue! Oh sorry half the players can't start the quest. Ummm Winterlights! Snowballs! Y'all are cool with flashbangs, yeah? Also, most of the issues I listed above still have not been fixed.

[dusty urchin]

@willow tulip switch users are treated like trash. i play pc but even I totally see that

[pulsar meteor]

it was the old colorways are now available on new (well, old but previously unmoddable) styles of furniture. the new tints shown in the vid aren't available in-game

[dusty urchin]

@neat compasspreach!!!! so agree

[willow tulip]

tbf, theyre limited on what they can do on switch... they have to go through nintendo to get anything approved. and i think they might be holding back on some stuff for when they announce the switch 2.

[hexed cloak]

When I buy a new flashy outfit, my old outfits just get put on the back burner. Sometimes I feel so guilty lol
insert that Toy Story meme

[willow tulip]

if the switch 2 isnt way better than palia will likely die on the switch due to lack of ....well... a lot lol

[neat compass]

S6 was fully aware of the obstacles that Nintendo would present when they chose to put their game on Switch. I won't blame Nintendo for S6's inability to navigate those obstacles that they signed up for.

[willow tulip]

thats fair

[livid lagoon]

Wait, maybe that's the plan: add the other colourways that clearly exist in the game as part of a subscription. 😂

[neat compass]

Am I a fan of all of Nintendo's practices? Absolutely not. But this one's on S6 lol

[hexed cloak]

The game was literally the first announcement in the June 2023 Nintendo Direct

[livid lagoon]

$20 a month, you get three new colourways, $30 you get six, and if you also subscribe to a coffee partner for $70 a month you get all of them. 🤣

[dusty urchin]

@neat compassohhh well said

[umbral lynx]

I agree but to dunk on them that they can't read tos I'm not gonna be overly shocked if they come out like "oh no we didn't know it's all silly nintendos fault" they have shown that they can not read many times

[warm python]

Don't joke about that when the monitization head is looking!!! don't want to give ideas LMAO

[willow tulip]

ya'll puttin way too much effort into premium stuff in hopes that people will buy so you can keep funding this game. idk.. theres gotta be a better way...especially with all the bugs

[west marlin]

Not the coffee subscription

[polar elbow]

but yeah... the catch with monetizing basically 99.9% of cosmetics is, IMHO, how are you going to "hook" cosmetic lovers to begin with if the game itself doesn't offer anything they want as earnable rewards through gameplay?
Pretty much every single diehard cosmetic-lover I've told about palia, turns their nose up at the game as soon as they hear there's no earnable cosmetics

[earnest geyser]

i want pay 20 a moth for abroken has been game that is so full of bug u cant play

[hexed cloak]

I think they outsource the cosmetics?

[willow tulip]

20 a month would be theft seeing as WoW isnt even that much a month

[livid lagoon]

Oh, seeing how their monetization schemes already are, and their recent defense of it... they've surely already thought about it.

[loud axle]

Not sure what percentage of the team, but yeah there are Independent Contractor artists.

[earnest geyser]

they hhave done nothing about fixingtheir broken stuff but lie about it...blame everyone else

[livid lagoon]

Also, this is the company that knowingly keeps on selling broken stuff, like glider skins that didn't work for like a month or so, so...

[loud axle]

How'd the patch go?

[willow tulip]

its still going roan

[sand lotus]

Well such as life i love the game put it this way its getting me through a hard time in my life

[warm python]

Yeah I can't say I've just been more every new thing I see monetized (especially because with their system, it means the whole category will now be hardlocked to swiping a credit card)

[umbral lynx]

Sorry you want lv 5 friendship for all the npcs, yeah no that's YOUR fault you didn't talk to the npcs enough (I'm not even joking I'm memeing something a s6 dev or whatever posted months ago that we as players are the reasons the npcs don't all have level 5)

[loud axle]

Oh dang I thought it was going to be a quick reset. Thanks

[warm python]

Yeah it changed to 2 hour

[hexed cloak]

Let's hope they don't pull a +10 on that

[loud axle]

Did someone pull up the bingo card? Because I think we got bingo

[umbral lynx]

Oh we fixed people lagging... But we broke tool skins that now make you crash but don't worry you can still buy them YOU just have to turn them off

[hexed cloak]

Tbh after that my tool skins now work properly in the underground

[placid kite]

If it means they fix more bugs.. I could live with the game being down for this long

[celest maple]

I would go wild over all the NPC's having level 5, I keep talking to everyone even the one's like Zeki I already have maxed out.

[hexed cloak]

Last time they did that, people were proper mad, especially in #💬│palia-general

[umbral lynx]

No sorry you don't talk to them enough so you don't get that content it's the players fault guys not s6

[loud axle]

WizardCrab is / was the head monetization person (unsure if that's changed or not) so he's definitely the person to talk to about their monetization model.

I'm still hoping for some earnable outfits down the road that are separate from the cash shop.

[livid lagoon]

Pretty much. But it's totally not scummy, nope, legit okay. I mean, if they'd temporarily pulled the skins from the shop that didn't work, then this would have destroyed their monetization or something.

[hexed cloak]

We're probably gonna start seeing more level 5s after they get done with Elderwoods. This is their primary focus right now, because they announced it and need to deliver on it

[vivid oar]

#💬│palia-discussions message

[hollow crescent]

not atm anyway and theres a blogpost supposed to be more in-depth about it

[placid kite]

They will have to cope haha if it means a mostly bug free game for the holidays

[loud axle]

From what I read he was more specifically referring to purchasing Palia coins though - maybe I'm too hopeful but the "not wanting to comment" on earnable outfits gave me a little bit of hope at least lol

[hexed cloak]

Knowing S6 it will be 12 hours to fix one bug

[kindred pasture]

Most games don't ignore low-income players who if they enjoy something enough WILL spend money on a hobby/game. But you have to throw them a bone with earnable cosmetics.

[placid kite]

Let’s hope for a Christmas miracle then 😅

[hexed cloak]

Yeah hopefully there will be earnable outfits that are separate from the premium ones

[narrow narwhal]

Yes please don't blame Nintendo. When I say we can't update Nintendo right now, that's 100% not me trying to shift blame. That was just me trying to be clear in communication about what's going on right now and what might or might not be possible. I do not fault them for letting their folks rest of the holidays and in fact might if they didn't. :/

[umbral lynx]

No rogue vega told us... We don't get the rest until players interactions with the npcs go up
Elderwoods or not I'm quoting a funny

[celest maple]

Wizardcrab, I know you are more responsible for monetization but there's actually one more question I'm curious about if that is fine - are more NPC romances on the table? Very specifically I am curious about one's like Zeki potentially being romanceable. If not that is fine and thank you for your time.

[hexed cloak]

They looked at the statistics and were probably like "eh we should focus on Elderwoods instead"

[umbral lynx]

That's not how that works but ok

[hexed cloak]

Remember that their human resources are very limited currently and they can't afford to focus on multiple big things at once

[livid lagoon]

I agree, not Nintendo's fault. More likely bad management, inconsistent policies, shoddy pipeline and messy internal roadmap.

[untold sluice]

I do think a big issue is if Elderwoods is in some way key to a collective story they may want that dealt with so they can progress plots

Like if we get combat or magic powers or something happens with town or new villagers they need drama/interactions with. The more they do without that the more it feels disjointed.

[narrow narwhal]

On the table? Sure. Prioritized? No. AFAIK the only fully off the table romances are the child npcs for obvious reasons. But adding new romances is a LOT of work.

[pulsar meteor]

Some day, Caleri. Someday...

[umbral lynx]

Celery you mean

[bold condor]

That's what I call her 😅