💬│palia-discussions

[cosmic orchid]

Not even laid off, just quit due to poor decisions.

[pulsar meteor]

oh i was including both layoffs and voluntary

[scarlet hazel]

the management must think they havent caused any issues

[cosmic orchid]

Ah okay, yeah I dunno about layoff numbers. I was going off reviews from Glassdoor talking about "what was left" of the OG team

[pulsar meteor]

and this is 6-month old info, i imagine it's not gotten much better if at all

[cosmic orchid]

they don't (if recent employee reviews are to be believed) and that is exactly the problem and why the game is in such a terrible state.

they've basically continued the behaviour that caused everybody to leave in the first place.

[scarlet hazel]

hopefully when the game goes down we get a private server thats run way better

[cosmic orchid]

hopefully someone smuggles the code out like they did with CoX and development can continue

[scarlet hazel]

yeah thats what ive been hoping when i started losing hope. i hope it can pull a toontown and thrive. this kind of game can thrive in the right hands

[cosmic orchid]

I love that CoX is still getting active content development over on Homecoming

[pulsar meteor]

i'm still hoping they pull out of the dive and can branch out like they wanted to

[cosmic orchid]

that would require management to either be swept by DBG or to get their heads outta their rear

i don't know if any management changes have happened since DBG took over but given the state of the game it seems not?

[pulsar meteor]

i am aware of some, yes, but the trick with 'management' complaints is that it's hard to a) know the full story and b) know whether people moving/ departing were part of 'the problem'

[cosmic orchid]

yeah, we don't know if the "problem" people are gone

I like th is game a lot but it's also very hard to ignore the issues, this is as a "new" player (<1 month)

I can't imagine the problems long term players have been through

[pallid ferry]

Im going to have more hope that the Pixie Hollow MMO makes a comeback.

Also, remember to go feed your Neopets. They miss you.

[cosmic orchid]

I don't remember my login

And the AOL account the email was hooked up to is long dead. lol

[pulsar meteor]

i mean the code has always been a bit... porous? is probably the best way to put it

shoutout to the time in alpha 1 that placing a specific couch up against a wall would boot everyone off the entire shard

or the floating pies immortalized in a blog post - if you put your food down on a table, it would go visit other players' lots after you left

[cosmic orchid]

"EAT ME"

"FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET ME OUT OF THIS BUGGY GAME AND EAT ME"

[lyric night]

for me personally actually not that many, but I'm also evading most bugs apparently even tho I play daily since open beta started last year(a bit less the last few weeks)

but there were definitely issues players had to deal with

[fiery perch]

if only the customer support was actually helpful and let me get my neopets account back

[cosmic orchid]

I tried to get back into mine too but yeah, got ignored/no reply 🥲

I guess my Neopets will all be DEAD

[fiery perch]

oh, i got reply, but they would continuously not listen to what i said, repeat the same thing, or just straight up wasn't helpful. Then told me to appeal the ticket, only to be told, by the same person the exaclty same things. It was frustrating.

[cosmic orchid]

Oh wow, I didn't even get a reply. lol

[pallid ferry]

I can't even find my account using the user search function. Idk if it somehow got deleted. I had a cybunny, the griffin thing, and the Lupus.

[cosmic orchid]

I can find my pet, but can't look up my actual account.

[pallid ferry]

The only pet name I remember was Sky5g, my griffin

A very forward thinking name for... 2001 maybe?

[cosmic orchid]

Predicted 5G. Wao

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[loud axle]

Kids these days have it so easy with their trees just teleporting to other plots they own... Back in our day, my tree mazes would teleport to someone else's plot. 😭

[vocal sky]

watching lore/theory videos and my jaw just keeps dropping further and futher

what do you mean theres a KENYATTA RELATIONSHIP SPOILERS||serial killer||

[vocal sky]

bro predicted the future

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[clear ingot]

Did they limit the amount of editors you can have on your plot?

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[delicate pumice]

I hope they're dateable

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pearl wave]

If you mean Kenyatta, yes

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[celest maple]

How's Palia's playercount lately? Is it healthy enough to assume that the game will be online for years to come?

I've checked steam charts before and it said about 5.000 players were playing the game. While I am aware it exists on other platforms such as Nintendo Switch, it brought me the question if there's even enough players playing the game for it to be worth the server costs. I personally like the game a lot, I just worry about the future of it.

[brisk spruce]

steam charts are the only recent published numbers, anything anyone else tells you (unless a dev were to respond for some reason) would be purely speculation. the servers are also small so it would be hard to make an accurate guess...

[celest maple]

That's fair. It was just a thought I had because I really want this game to actually succeed. I wonder how it will do once it leaves the beta.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[signal kayak]

will entirely depend on how well the elderwoods update goes and how many filler updates we get next year. if it's anything like it was this past year, while i do love this game, i don't think it will be here this time next year.

[hexed cloak]

We did have good updates this year up until August-ish

[fast sonnet]

Yeah this game is hinged on Elderwood's success and I'm really hoping that the investors understand that and give them time to actually do it right. I am willing to wait longer if I know it'll be done properly.

[signal kayak]

yes, things that can be done within a day and then again nothing for those that have done everything afterwards

[hexed cloak]

After that, the quality of updates started to plummet (which may or may not be due to them working on Elderwoods)

We've been getting only plushies, decor, premium items and reruns of old content (Maji Market, Winterlights)

[fast sonnet]

Truthfully, I would much rather they focus on fixing quality of life bugs and things that were broken in the last updates before they put any focus on Elderwood, I'm hoping that the time frame they gave us for the new expansion indicates that they'll be addressing those issues before completing it. We shall see. I feel really bad for switch users right now. I see so much excitement in those players and it sounds like the game is practically unplayable as it is at the moment. They really need to hammer out those bugs before releasing new content that could possibly break it even further.

[hexed cloak]

At the same time you can't deny the game is starved of content at this point, so makes sense why they would prioritize that

[signal kayak]

i would be happy if they announced that they are going to do just a bug/qol update. nothing new just bug/qol fixes... and they actually fix and not break the game further

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah. The game is starved for content but why would I play a broken game that has content over a game I can reliably play mostly bug free

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[rare pine]

There's no way they can do all three:

1. Deal with the frustrating and progression breaking bugs in the game.
2. Make Elderwoods good enough to attract a bunch of new players and satisfy the veterans.
3. Port the game to two more consoles.

Also, I'm not sure how much of an impact porting to PS5 and XBox is going to have. Those two aren't exactly known to be cozy game machines. I truly believe they shot themselves in the foot by releasing on both Switch and steam too early. Those are the two biggest cozy game markets and S6 gave them an inferior product.

[loud axle]

Definitely agree. If it's truly a beta, you should be focusing on the content and bug fixes for your main platform before rolling out elsewhere.

I maintain that they released to the public too early in general, but also releasing on Switch only a few months later was a disaster.

On the upside though, going public helped at least get out of the echo chamber of toxic positivity that was early tests.

[rare pine]

There's still a little too much of that imo. I can already hear the excuses for when 1.0 is released and we're drowning in bugs.

[loud axle]

Yeah for sure. I get the desire to love the game, I just wish it could be so much more than it ended up being.

[fast sonnet]

Oh they're trying to put it out on Xbox and PS5 now too?! Absolutely not. Haha fix the game and provide more content before doing anything else. FFS.

That doesn't make sense at all. Not even from a business standpoint.

[lyric night]

yeah current timeline seems to be elderwoods into xbox/Ps5 and 1.0 release next year

[hexed cloak]

Potentially mobile too

[fast sonnet]

I might be cynical, and rightfully so in my opinion, but this is seeming more and more like a quick cash grab. 😬

I really don't understand why they would rush to get it multiplatform when it barely works on the two we have already.

[lyric night]

majority of the game works fine on PC honestly for most players

mainly switch is the problem child

also well if we can trust a glassdoor review from june: they make barely enough revenue to cover operating costs so no clue if I'd call it cash grab

[pliant oyster]

Can we use alt accounts anymore? I cant seem to log on

[lyric night]

we can

make sure that ur mail has no space at the end

if the issue persists folks over in #💻│tech-help can probably help u with that

[pliant oyster]

Er, sorry I mistyped. I meand I can't log out of my main account to log into my alt - if that makes sense.

[lyric night]

are u playing on switch/steam?

u can only log out and into other accounts freely through the native launcher and epic games

to play on another acc on steam/switch
u'd need to make another steam/nintendo account

[loud axle]

It certainly started out as a passion project but somewhere along the line the vision seems like it got lost in favor of just making the money back that they lost, yeah...

[pliant oyster]

Ooh i see, yea i am on steam! thank you! i will get the native launcher too

[pliant oyster]

They deserve to be paid... do they not?

[loud axle]

I mean, I've supported them in the past but at the same time if you hire someone to clean your house and instead they track mud through it, do you still pay them?

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pliant oyster]

yes of course if they do the job... this is a FREE game

A cash grab would insinuate no updates and only putting out high priced products then not furthing their project. Nothing about this game is a cash grab. It would not be in production still if it were. It's a free game on multiple platforms. You aren't required to pay money for any part of your experience in the game. Nothing is pay gated.

You can be frustrated that it's not out fast enough or the bugs are being fixed to your liking, but its obviously a small team with a struggling budget and offering one of the best free cozy game experiences that is very accessable

It's insulting to people putting amazing effort into the game to call it a cash grab just because they aren't working faster on a free game.

[loud axle]

Free to play is a calculated and sometimes predatory business strategy that relies on and expects people to spend more than they would have had the game been a single purchase.

I spent somewhere around $60 back when I had faith in the company and liked the pitch of the game... I'm not even sure if it'd be worth $30 in its current state if it was a typical single player game.

[fast sonnet]

I may not be knowledgeable enough about the gaming industry insofar as budgets and expenses for games are concerned, but I guess I'm just kind of wondering how 50 million dollars is a struggling budget...

[pliant oyster]

There is absolutely nothing predatory about anything they are offering for real money. I have worked in the gaming industry and marketing and there is absolutely NOTHING predatory about offering cosmetics for money.

[scarlet hazel]

can we not today omg

im so sick of the "but the game is free why are you complaining?" argument SO MUCH

[pliant oyster]

That is a very low budget for a video game that is this quality and with the amount of gameplay it offers. Even more so that it is an online game with almost unlimited building

[umbral lynx]

@fiery perch sorry for the ping, in regards to snowballs, since ive only played since march i never witnessed them last year so information is great. anywhoooo, im assuming they were promoted last year to and when they did make it in game they just default came with a flash effect?
i did some looking into it and found footage of them not flashbanging so i wish to bother s6 personally about this matter on a sunday

[pliant oyster]

You can complain. Everyone can complain but saying its a cash grab or predatory is 110% false.

[loud axle]

A lot of our frustrations are that they haven't been putting out quality updates. High-priced products without furthering the project is 90% of what we've gotten over the last few months.

Palia's entire end-game is decorating and cosmetics, so a large part of that experience is gated behind money. They've already dipped their toes into P2W a bit with the addition of housing plot landscapes and a system that rewards you for getting people to visit and vote for your housing plot.

The initial budget was $50 million with a team of around 150-200 people as well. That's where most of this frustration stems from... With that amount of resources, this game should be so much more than it is.

[fast sonnet]

To break topic real quick, I have also noticed that the flash seems intermittent for me, it doesn't always happen. Not sure if that's intentional or not as I wasn't around last year's Winterlights

[umbral lynx]

all information is good information

[pliant oyster]

Can you explain how housing landscapes is P2W?

[scarlet hazel]

have you seen them? they look much better then the default plot so people are going to want to visit them way more then anyone default plot area

[pliant oyster]

Looking better in a private instance =/= P2W it is flat out a cosmetic

[loud axle]

Getting people to visit and react to your housing plot is, in theory, easier to do if it's unique / shows off a different theme than normal.

I don't think it's fully P2W, as I said it's just dipping the toes in, but we've already seen them go back on other promises made so I'm wary about anything that pushes them closer to that slope.

[pliant oyster]

paying to win means you get a STRATEGIC advantage over other players that can not compete with you in the same manner with just game play. there is NO strategic advantage of your own personal instance being more attractive

[scarlet hazel]

it makes it easier to get votes and the nameplates thats for sure

[pliant oyster]

People.. just come to your house if they are your friends

[pearl wave]

Keep in mind, there are OG players here who played the game for a long time. So, if you trying to counter the fact that, "its a free game, they deserve to be paid.", i will stop you right there. 🖐️ Mainly because, if the OG said they are getting tired of empty promises, bugs that haven't been fixed for years, etc, THAT'S gotta said something.

[pliant oyster]

I have been playing since closed beta

[pearl wave]

well disagree to agree then, we are tired or is it agree to disagree, either way i disagree.

[lyric night]

thats honestly not true, if the housetour feature would visibly tell u which landscape is used then of course yes

prime example was one of the 2 leaked landscapes cheaters used

1 of them got 0 attention bcs of how the housetour stuff works

[pliant oyster]

They don't owe you anything. Its a free game. If you paid money for cosmetics and you own them, that is all you are owed.

[loud axle]

I've been playing since pre-alpha in 2021, which is why my opinions are quite a bit more soured than others.

[scarlet hazel]

im just tired of the constant cosmetics and the complete lack of content or the acknowledgement of bugs and things that can hurt players with disabilities, but they ignore feedback and turn around and turn the feedback into something completely different...

like the snowball glitch shouldnt have passed testing at all. that will hurt someone bad

[pearl wave]

your opinions are just as valid <3

[pliant oyster]

You aren't married to the game. You can play anything else at any time and wait like everyone else. It is a free game and a very good one at that. There are bugs but for what it is it is absolutely not a cash grab or predatory

[scarlet hazel]

i mean... the snowball glitch is more then just a bug. its something that can hurt someone

[pearl wave]

If you want to give them $, go for it. But, im not giving my $ for them until they fix the bugs. That's my choice.

[loud axle]

They obviously don't owe us anything, correct.

But we'd still like to see them turn around and succeed which is why we're being so critical... Because the current course they're on is certainly not working.

[pearl wave]

oh i know and snowball need to be fixed and that's is true

[scarlet hazel]

and the fact they showed in the newest trailer, snowball fights... if the glitch isnt fixed by then its going to be a disaster

[pliant oyster]

Why isn't it working if there is still an active player base?

[scarlet hazel]

cause its a big management problem. management refuses to listen to a thing and making horrible decisions

[pliant oyster]

what decisions?

[loud axle]

That active playerbase has shrunk 40% over the last four months.

Their dev team size has had three rounds of layoffs, so clearly they're not making enough money.

[pearl wave]

It's does not matter if there still people playing, we played the game despite the really bad bugs, glitches, and seizure / epilepsy stuffs. WE ARE TRYING to tell s6 that its a big problems that need to address first.

[scarlet hazel]

pretty much what got the game into the situation its in now and the fact a lot of their employees are gone and such too

[pliant oyster]

The playerbase is still active, no? And there is a patch upcoming, no?

[scarlet hazel]

a patch that some ppl may come back to but dunno. if they fix the snowball glitch or not

[pearl wave]

I'm not putting much faith in patches, they keep breaking stuffs

[sterile prawn]

literally each new patch is a new break

[pearl wave]

exactly.

[scarlet hazel]

elderwoods is going to be the big turning point of the game. either it will be where the game really takes off or sinks quickly

[pliant oyster]

Are you all new to gaming in general?

[pearl wave]

oh my goodness, its does not matter if we new to this.

[scarlet hazel]

no. ive played a lot of games before

[pliant oyster]

I've never played a live service game, AAA or not that didnt break something after a patch

[sterile prawn]

even a new player can point out whats wrong with a game...

[pearl wave]

what ur point of trying to says something like that?

[pliant oyster]

Billion dollar games... why in the world would you expect anything different then call the game a cashgrab if there are bugs? Why does that make any sense?

[scarlet hazel]

ive played WoW for a while now and there's a bug in the game where all the NPCs are on a farm. that's a funny bug i can get behind until its fixed

[loud axle]

...again, 40% of that playerbase has left in the last four months, with more leaving every day. It's a downward trend that's been pretty steady.

I'm sure there's going to be a dedicated fanbase that will stay through anything, but I'm unsure if it's enough people spending enough money to continue operating the game.

The patch preview was, again, 90% cosmetics with nothing new and exciting gameplay related.

[scarlet hazel]

but the snowball bug/glitch in palia is really dangerous and ifit isnt addressed before the next patch goes live, its going o end up hurting people who have epilepsy

[pearl wave]

I don't give a crap about cosemtics stuffs, I don't care if they did throw in free stuffs but, like roan said, its 90% of it.

[pliant oyster]

But.. the playerbase is still active... yes? I don't know why thats a hard question to ask without adding additional paragraphs

[pliant oyster]

its the easiest to produce & how they pay their team

[loud axle]

No, it isn't.

[pliant oyster]

Why wouldn't they... its literally 100% optional

[loud axle]

🤷‍♂️

[sterile prawn]

they wont be eventually if S6 doesn't fix what needs to be fix, especially the health issue things, or the constant bug issues.

[pliant oyster]

what is a health issue?

[scarlet hazel]

its a bit annoying when you can only look better if you pay money. there arent any ways to get cosmetics unless you pay. every other game ive played has had f2p cosmetics.

and the snowball glitch ive been talking about and youve been ignoring

[loud axle]

It's so ironic that the people that claim to love this game the most are the people that are going to kill it.

[sterile prawn]

epilepsy

[pliant oyster]

Where?

[scarlet hazel]

THE SNOWBALLS

[pearl wave]

😭 that's so real

[pliant oyster]

Has there been any reports of anyone suffering from real life effects of in game snowballs?

[scarlet hazel]

yes

[pearl wave]

clearly this isn't going anywhere and if they want to go with that mindset, go you. I'm done countering it.

[pliant oyster]

Please link it from an acredited site

[scarlet hazel]

just shut up

[pliant oyster]

No, please link it

[scarlet hazel]

why would it be on a site?

[lyric night]

honestly, its one of their best patches of the year for a lot of players that care about the (unfortunate classic "cozy" game) main focus which is home decorating

its heavily subjective

[mystic copper]

So, a little off topic thing my husband pointed out that has been bothering me now too. The mailbox is backwards. Typically when you have outgoing mail the flag is up. Incoming mail is down. And I can't stop thinking about it.

[pliant oyster]

Because thats a pretty serious issue, is it not?

[pearl wave]

omg now i can't unsee it 😭

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. and you think its going to be on a random site?

[fast sonnet]

Why is this bothering you so much? With a player base decline of 40% it's probably going to look super bad to the investors and the game has to make money as quickly as possible to give them the return they're looking for. Expanding it to other platforms broadens the demographic and opens up the chance that they'll get more people paying for those cosmetics to get them their money back... At the expense of the quality of the game.

[pliant oyster]

that is actually disturbing and very valid

[mystic copper]

Suffer with meeeee

[pliant oyster]

it would be on a news site if a video game caused someone to have medical issues

[fast sonnet]

Oh. Oh no. -eye twitch-

[hollow crescent]

where i am it’s both ways 🤣

[scarlet hazel]

not for palia. its been under the radar for awhile and a lot of the disabled community has left because of the treatment theyve had.

the bot repeats a warning for the snowball glitch because this is the only place for this kind of news to really spread now

[loud axle]

This is the visual glitch for Snowballs.

Don't watch if you're epileptic.

[sterile prawn]

and plus a lot of people are probably sending in tickets, if you look on reddit theres tons of forms of people complaining about how palia has tons of flashing that may can an epilepsy episode

[scarlet hazel]

you could try to outside of the discord but most will probably not know anything about palia at all

[pliant oyster]

Investors don't really look at current player base particularly if its a free to play game going onto easily accessable platforms with a very functioning and non P2W cash shop. Its not about CURRENT revenue its about FUTURE revenue which will happen if you put a free game into the hands of more people.

[scarlet hazel]

and yeah. this is how bad the snowball glitch is and why its such a concern for the new trailer

[fast sonnet]

Like, it is a cash grab because they are hemorrhaging players and the only way to make return on investment is to try to get more players. We are telling them that the best way to do that is to fix the game but they're not doing that. They just keep pushing more cosmetics and trying to spread to other platforms with a game that isn't even working properly for people on the console they released to.

[pliant oyster]

Its not a cash grab lmao

[warm python]

one of these days I really should put a palia discussions FAQ or somehting for when this happens

[fast sonnet]

But... releasing to the switch and splitting their resources resulted in a 40% loss in players...

[scarlet hazel]

your the perfect customer for this game you know, auntie

[pliant oyster]

So its been out on switch for how long now? More than 4 months has the playerbase declined 40% from switch or the last 4 months?

[loud axle]

Was just thinking of you and your spinning emote.

[warm python]

Pretending the game should be free of criticism and concern and/or downplaying that from other is more dangerous to the company and the game than any critque can be

[scarlet hazel]

and if your curious why then lmk

[hollow crescent]

yea cuz a lot of the time you see convos like “ i joined the discord because i found X is bugged” or their stuck on a quest some ppl don’t even know if the wiki or other helpful sites

[loud axle]

We only have numbers from Steam, but my educated guess would lead me to believe those numbers would be similar across all platforms... And possibly worse on Switch, as that's where most of the game-breaking bugs occur.

The game wasn't even playable for several months because you couldn't use the A button.

[pliant oyster]

I suppose youve never actually interacted with any games that have actually been cash grabs. You are valid to have frustrations about the game not being fixed the way you want as fast as you want. but adding malice into a project that is clearly doing its best is asinine.

[scarlet hazel]

the A button is still glitched even now

[warm python]

and as Roan said the game isn't free out of the goodness of their hearts, companies choose to do that because they think they can get more money off of F2P+microtransactions, so Palia doesn't deserve some kind of charity award or to have criticism lessened at all because of it

in fact to me it deserves more but yknow

[scarlet hazel]

any patches that fix the A button get broken in the next patch

[pliant oyster]

And that is a fair and valid concern to have - but it does not and will not make the game predatory or a cash grab at any point what so ever.

[warm python]

There's more premium things that gets released now than actual content for everyone. Will it change? who knows\

[pliant oyster]

F2P is absolutely the best way to make money but it isn't P2W or P2P while also providing hundreds of hours of content for free.

[warm python]

What do you define "winning" as in a cozy game? in a cozy online game, at that?

[scarlet hazel]

how is f2p the best way to make money? /genq

[pliant oyster]

People spend more money in smaller amounts

[warm python]

People end up paying way more than they would have for a game upfront, just in smaller chunks

[fast sonnet]

It's interesting that you're attributing malice to a simple observation I've made based off of what I've seen and experienced. And it's also interesting that you're making assumptions about that experience.

[pearl wave]

have u seen how expensive palia coins are for one thing

[scarlet hazel]

it feels like everyone is talking to brick walls at this point

[pliant oyster]

I didn't ever say there was a way to win. I don't think there is. Winning is unreachable

[warm python]

So why are you bringing up P2W?

[pearl wave]

yeah, that's why i said there no point for us to counter them since that their mindset.

[pliant oyster]

they aren't that expensive

[warm python]

[sterile prawn]

well for you, people have other priorities..

[pliant oyster]

because it was brought up already? you can scroll up if youre confused

[warm python]

I'm not confused, I'm directly responding to you.

[pliant oyster]

that is good, then use your money for what you need it for

[pearl wave]

i can spend $60 for foods than premium stuffs.

[pliant oyster]

yes, you can you're an adult and have that choice

[pearl wave]

irl stuffs are great :D

[lethal granite]

i’m not an “accredited site”, which probably means you won’t listen to my anecdote. but i barely glanced at a gif of it that was posted and immediately got a migraine. i asked my fren next to me to look at the gif and they were like, “yeeee don’t look at that, you will have a seizure, who would post something like that in such a wide-reaching channel?”

i’m not willing to risk my health to test out whether or not the flashbang will do even worse than a migraine to me if i look at it for ya, sorry.

[pliant oyster]

That's fine, just don't play the game if its a hazard to your health.

[scarlet hazel]

and there it is...

[fast sonnet]

... Jesus Christ. Hope my "malice" managed to cure any boredom today. Lol

[warm python]

[scarlet hazel]

im surprised a mod hasnt come in here yet but i bet theyre watching and are very amsued by this lol

[warm python]

I'm getting coffee IRL right now lmfao

[loud axle]

The way they bundle the coins and have odd costs for outfits is predatory. It requires you to spend more than you need, and then eventually spend more money again when you want to get rid of those leftover coins.

The way they use FOMO as a "deal" is predatory as well, vaguely stating that something is around for a limited time and that they're not sure if it'll come back again at a later date.

[marsh depot]

Try saying that for people who live outside the US/EU with fluctuating exchange rates.

The fact they're not "that expensive" for you, doesn't apply for others.

[pliant oyster]

Would you charge less for your services at your job so someone else could afford it? Would you be willing to get paid less so someone else could have your work?

[scarlet hazel]

that is completely missing the point

[sudden bay]

Actually if you have epilepsy then you know that these things affect you and should be taking personal responsibility to manage that. If it could hurt you because of a medical condition then don't play the game.

[pliant oyster]

No, they changed the way they bundled coins very early on, it is notpredatory

[scarlet hazel]

yeah after feedback of how bad it was

[pearl wave]

I will not stop playing just because u said so. Sure, I don't want to risk getting epilespy / seizure. But people with disablities deserves to play the game that they cares about without you telling us not to.

[pliant oyster]

Which was... 2 years ago?

[scarlet hazel]

and when we had CMs and the team was much larger too

[pearl wave]

[loud axle]

After the condescending blog post? They were good for a bit, but they've been right back to the old habits lately.

[scarlet hazel]

now we have no CMs

[pliant oyster]

its your personal responsibility to take care of your health and not a random company

[loud axle]

One.

[pliant oyster]

What old habits?

[warm python]

I think my coffee needs something stronger in it

this is exactly why a lot of the people pushing for accessibility felt they had to leave this place

[scarlet hazel]

yeah but its also the companies responsibility to warn everytime you boot the game up that your game has things that can hurt them in it. but it only shows up when you make an entirely new account

[marsh depot]

Your questions have nothing to do with the point I'm making. You're claiming the outfits are not "that expensive", which does not apply to everyone. But I expect you don't understand the concept of purchasing power.

[pearl wave]

🙄

[sudden bay]

If you have diabetes should all food company take sugar out of their product because it could hurt you or make your medical condition worse or do you have the responsibility to manage that?

[pearl wave]

whoever reacted to agree with that person, just wow

[pliant oyster]

They aren't. And I do.

[pearl wave]

I'm not answering them anymore

[raven orbit]

I think people need to remember that the only way for players to know about the snowball issue is either to experience it firsthand or to be in the discord. If they aren't in the discord they will not know that the issue even exists.

It's dangerous, and combating accessibility concerns with blatant ableism just isn't it. /gen

[scarlet hazel]

it feels like you guys are just ignoring our points entirely and arent bothering to even hear what we have to say

[pliant oyster]

Nope, I've said your concerns are valid but your end result is flawed and your frustrations are misplaced.

[sterile prawn]

okay, people can take responsibility great, but the concerns on accessibility needs to at least be top priority? theres little no warnings in the game that state theres flashing.

[scarlet hazel]

like if your here to defend the game, cool. but dont ignore what people are saying just because your mad they want to be critical of the game.

and it sure feels like our concerns arent valid with how you keep responding to us the entire time

[pliant oyster]

I said the issues were valid

[scarlet hazel]

had to deal with it with other people before and i know the signs

[warm python]

If you buy a thing you can look on the box to see its sugars

Tell me where in game, or officially out of game (no the player insisted bot by a non-staff mod doesnt count) the "box" is saying "Hi the snowball effects in this game can cause seizures"

that they're pushing even harder next patch, too

[scarlet hazel]

sure you can say that but your actions really show if you truly mean what you say.

people can just say things but not truly mean them at all

[sudden bay]

That's certainly a valid point and one that should be addressed. What should happen is there should be warning and that's what people should be focusing on. Not taking the feature out of the game.

[scarlet hazel]

no ones asking for snowballs to be taken out. were just asking for them to be fixed so they dont injure someone

[lethal granite]

I’ve put thousands of hours into it and spent way more than i’d like to admit on cosmetics. and your solution is the game i’ve sunk more money into funding than most folks is… to not play it, rather than ask the dev team to get rid of something actively harmful (and also therefore turning away potential players who can get migraines, etc.) that provides literally nothing to the game?

you’re either trolling or willfully obtuse.

[scarlet hazel]

at this point its just blind loyalty

[pliant oyster]

Sunken cost fallacy. If it is hazardous to your health. Do not play it until its fixed.

[pearl wave]

I'm not asking s6 to remove it, im asking them to not hurt us and at least fix it or warn us before they can fix it. Clearly they haven't

[warm python]

No one even wants snowballs to be taken out of the game, they just want the flashbang to be taken out

I'm not epileptic and I want the flashbang to be taken out because even if it won't send me to the hospital it's uncomfortable

[sterile prawn]

they wont know unless they play the game, some players might not even know theres snowballs in the game

[pliant oyster]

they are literally here talking to me about it, why wouldnt they know?

[warm python]

and that! is why we have to be so vocal about it!! because they won't fix it UNLESS we're vocal in our complaints. And since they fired all the CMs, we have to be EXTRA loud!

[scarlet hazel]

even being loud they arent listening. management needs to go

[sudden bay]

You know they aren't going to fix it anyway. If they were they would have done it already.

[pearl wave]

So, when we are loud about it, please don't ever invalid our feelings and or tell us to play something else. It's not the point we are trying to make.

[sterile prawn]

not everyone thats arguing with you right now has discord, so people outside of discord or any social media might not know the snowballs will cause health issues

[pliant oyster]

Being loud about a bunch of random things and one or two of them actually being bad and the others just frustrating or annoying isn't how to get things fixed.

[pliant oyster]

im only talking in discord about this, so yes the only people im talking to are in discord

[scarlet hazel]

i blocked them. they wanna keep acting like that then they can. they can keep making themselves look like this

[raven orbit]

I've never seen anyone suggest taking the snowballs out completely? But if they're not prepared to actually fix them, they should do their do diligence and take them out until they ensure they aren't a safety risk - or at least add a toggle to ensure players that don't want to be blinded or have a seizure induced can be safe.

Disabled players have asked for very basic things and gotten little. If they don't care about those issues, fine, but it's incredibly important that something as big a safety risk as this should be addressed. /gen

[fast sonnet]

This is literally what a beta is fooooor, oh my god

[pearl wave]

I admire all the people who try to be loud about it who have the patience to deal with ableism x.x

[wide hound]

Alright. So, this is a discussion channel.
Can I get a tl;dr of what point you're trying to make here?

[pliant oyster]

Correct and we're still in a beta

[pliant oyster]

I am disabled lmao

[scarlet hazel]

im so tired of people invalidating us so much or ignoring points every time and just talk, ignoring everything everyone else is saying and say something entirely different...

[fast sonnet]

This is the time to be vocal about getting things fixed.

[warm python]

Beta's the MOST important time for criticism.

[raven orbit]

You can be disabled and ableist, just to be clear. /gen

[scarlet hazel]

yeah being disabled doesnt really give anyone a pass to... yknow, be a jerk lol

[marsh depot]

I wonder if you'll all still make the same excuses when the game is out of beta. Ironically, all it seems is that you don't want it to be out of beta.

[raven orbit]

Also many of these accessibility concerns have been issues since alpha. These are not new things, nor are they things people are just discovering. People have been giving these concerns to feedback for over a year at this point. /gen

[lyric night]

u can get the exact amount of coins for the majority of items in the premium store in palia tbf

only items excluded are the soothsayer rework, ghostbride
witch palcats, masks, emote, sale items

[lyric night]

guess we will find out soon enough if they stick with their plans for next year

[pearl wave]

I do not care if you're disabled as well. It's does not excuse your behavior toward us and quite frankly, you are also putting us in bad spotlight when we try to be loud about things WE CARES about.

[scarlet hazel]

and if you say something entirely different to all of this then it just, proves your just talking to talk honestly. im sorry if im sounding rude but man... dont come in here and ignore others points if your trying to discuss things as well

[worn snow]

almost a third of the whole population in the US is disabled (if we're using the broadest term, which is the best imo) if all of us were perfectly not-ableist the, world would be much better lol

[marsh depot]

I highly doubt it honestly

[loud axle]

Yeah that's why I said they were good about it for awhile, but some of the recent stuff has been getting off that track again.

[lethal granite]

i’m not, therefore i am frustrated that we’ve heard nothing about them fixing it and appear to be doubling down on it in the next patch.

we’ll see if they choose loss of revenue and users/potential new users over fixing a single, actively harmful, adds nothing to the game flashbang

[scarlet hazel]

ive been thinking and this is something relating to the game. kilima village is VERY not disabled friendly... there arent any ramps, some of the bridges look unstable and there is pretty much just stairs all around

[sudden bay]

This to me would be a red flag to NOT support their game then. I've stopped giving S6 money due to some of these issues. It's obvious they either don't care or aren't willing to change things or add accessibility.

[pliant oyster]

You can be as vocal as you want. it still doesn't make the game a cash grab or predatory

[scarlet hazel]

like everytime i go into the village i just realize how awful it'd be for a wheelchair user to try and get around

[pliant oyster]

im sure it will be in the next patch pal

[raven orbit]

Which is a surprise considering they have 2 disabled characters

[fast sonnet]

I would argue the point that if we are still in beta, as people who keep parroting that are still so fond of pointing out, why would you not fix the game and make it playable for everyone before releasing it to other platforms. Make sure that the platforms you have it on already are good first before you branch out. Especially if you're a team with limited time and resources. I maintain my stance that it makes no sense to release to other platforms while still in beta other than to get money from other sources from the game. It's an Ouroboros thing at this point.

[pearl wave]

so u going to ignore naz's question

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. and eshe and kenli walk around with a cane. i bet its so hard for themr to walk down stairs

[sterile prawn]

further proves that auntie had no point, just talking to talk

[loud axle]

We have given you specific reason after specific reason for why and how we've arrived at our consensus, and your counter continues to be "no it isn't." 🤷‍♂️

[marsh depot]

All they're hung up about is people calling the game a cash grab. That's it. No point nor argument.

[hexed cloak]

If you buy the entire harness your power set you will be left over with one singular coin

[pliant oyster]

It's just definitionally wrong.

[worn snow]

wdym by that

[scarlet hazel]

like, thinking about making a disabled character and seeing how the village is... how are they gonna end up getting around? will they never be able to leave their home?

Like bahari bay is very steep cliffs but it seems more accessible then the village now. at least the dirt roads maybe?

[loud axle]

Then please, define it.

[pliant oyster]

I did earlier, do you need me to find the post for you?

[warm python]

[loud axle]

If you wouldn't mind.

[loud axle]

Is this the one you're referring to?

[fast sonnet]

Oh that was me, I called it that. That's just what it looks like to me from what I've seen so far

[loud axle]

To which this was my response?

[pliant oyster]

These few posts.

[pearl wave]

Okay so guys

[marsh depot]

I agree honestly. At the very least, these past few months it's definitely felt like that with the lack of content, bug fixes and just increasingly expensive outfits and FOMO pet.

[pearl wave]

since this isn't going anywhere, we might as well move on since we just talking nowhere with them.

[pliant oyster]

Predatory is often in mobile games where they offer back to back to back sales and instil FOMO on the playerbase to push them to buy small packs many times. Predatory = preying on a fear or a need. s6 is not preying on anything. You can buy exactly the amount of coins you need for an outfit.

[fast sonnet]

Word. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[scarlet hazel]

with how a mod kept getting ignored then yeah

[raven orbit]

They do have FOMO though. They have limited pets and things like the twitch drops, which, at least with the first ones included items that have never been seen again.

[hexed cloak]

#💬│palia-discussions message
And that's just one example

[fast sonnet]

Oh, that reminds me, who are the mods in here?

[pliant oyster]

twitch is free though...

[pearl wave]

Mods are Mod Cats :P

[scarlet hazel]

yeah

[wide hound]

Asks a question.
Gets ignored.

[hexed cloak]

Oh tell me how to get the purple glasses then?
Oh right I can't anymore!

[fast sonnet]

Oh so mods will have pawprints?

[pliant oyster]

i did notice the 999 palcat with hat but though it is annoying, its not predatory

[scarlet hazel]

think its time for them to get muted since they did just ignore you. twice. xD

[pliant oyster]

i got them for free...?

[pearl wave]

yes but if u have a problem with member unless its the emergency, best chance to take it to modmail

[fast sonnet]

Dude I want to personally apologize, I did not mean to shake the pop can like this lmao

[worn snow]

ig my stance on accessibility is that s6 didn't make the effort to make it accessible from the ground up-- through ignorant staff, management, or whatever, not sure-- and so it's going to be a lot harder to make it accessible now. froggies said this ( love u) a while back (before, imo, it was too late) and it's just 😅 come to fruition. imho

[raven orbit]

FOMO is not exclusively for paid things. If you weren't a player during said twitch drops, you missed out. If you for example did not have internet for those few days, you missed out.

[hexed cloak]

Good for you.
These were limited and anyone who wasn't playing back then can't get them now

[wide hound]

But anyway. It's clear that not everyone is aware of the current issues (some of which have been a thing since quite a while), so let's not get baited into arguments that lead nowhere.
To be clear, I don't mean to not discuss the issues, but more like... avoid pointless arguments if possible.

[pliant oyster]

but it is not a paid FOMO which I was referring to - there is no paid FOMO and pushing you to buy packs

[raven orbit]

There is. There is limited time pets.

[hexed cloak]

Still FOMO nonetheless

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. we were trying to not do that but this person obviously just keeps focusing on one single topic and ignored everything else

[worn snow]

ehhh there have been sales and limited time shop things. which they explicitly they wouldn't do

[scarlet hazel]

case in point, theyre doing it right now. in front of your eyes.

[pliant oyster]

Where?

[loud axle]

I mean hey there's no loot boxes, I'll agree with you there that's nice.

Though we do have a ton of RNG in the game itself that's annoying enough.

[hexed cloak]

I don't see sales as a bad thing, but limited time stuff is a crappy practice, I agree

[raven orbit]

This. They've made the foundation so inaccessible, and have done nothing to update it, that with every update they make even more work for themselves.

[pliant oyster]

RNG is very good for a healthy game that keeps people playing

[fast sonnet]

It's my fault, I apologize. I used potentially inflammatory language and caused a fracas

[worn snow]

the umbral wool pet i believe?

[wide hound]

The problem, as I see it now, is that they keep getting pinged from multiple users, seemingly having to respond back. It's not ideal, but understandable.
It's hard to move on from a conversations if some keep it alive.

[raven orbit]

If you have to rely on RNG to ensure your playerbase stays alive...probably need to do a bit of thinking on why they wouldn't be otherwise

[warm python]

Don't worry tbh, it's always inevitable here

[scarlet hazel]

true. but if a mod showed up my attention would instantly switch to that mod. i know how important it is when one ends up showing up

[pliant oyster]

Oh in the patch notes it says it will be available in the future

[worn snow]

still fomo though

[pliant oyster]

Its how Dungeons & Dragons works

[fast sonnet]

🤷🏼‍♀️

[scarlet hazel]

i think a topic switched quick when a mod ends up showing up imo

[fast sonnet]

Respect to the paws 🐾

[raven orbit]

Entirely different game genre. RNG is a staple of MMOs and RPGs. However, it's antithetical to Palia which markets itself as a casual cozy game.

[scarlet hazel]

well while this keeps going im gonna go get my laundry in order. brb

[warm python]

"but may be available again in the future."

may be doesn't sound like will be

[hexed cloak]

You do realize that all games with FOMO say that?

[pearl wave]

"So there are two types of mail boxes. The ones you're referring to are the ones that sit at the edge of the road for the mailman to retrieve easily.

Yes you raise the flag on the side if you have mail to send out. The mailbox opens towards the road(although there are some that open on both ends for lazy people who can't be bothered to walk another foot or so)

The second type is one that is attached to the front of the house (typically next to the door, or a support pillar on the porch). Some have little hooks on the bottom that you can put mail that needs sent out, others have a similar flag to the first type." - message from my hubby when i asked him about how mailbox works xD

but my favorite is:

(although there are some that open on both ends for lazy people who can't be bothered to walk another foot or so)

[pliant oyster]

No, they don't

[warm python]

I'm loving mailbox lore /lh

Games will always be like "maaaaaaybe we'll bring it back!" to cover their butts when it comes to criticism

it doesn't mean they will be

[hexed cloak]

Yes. Nikki is doing the same

[raven orbit]

The whole FOMO bit is the "will it, won't it"

[warm python]

like I'm still bleeped off at FFXIV for pulling that bleep with the PVP series rewards with using that language and like 7 or 8 series later still nothing lmao

and that's my favorite game ever and I'll still call em out on that

[lyric night]

"always" is not the case honestly, most do, yeah
but its not always and not all games

recent example is riot with their cosmetic gacha in league, which they exclusively state as: will never come back in the future

[pearl wave]

WE can talk about it without anyone telling us what we should do with our games that we passion about.

[worn snow]

i feel like this genuinely comes down to a misunderstanding of what fomo means? like fomo is pretty broad, it's not even a marketing tactic it's also just a common phenomenon.

if my friends hang out and i have to work i would experience fomo from not being able to hang out w them. even if i hung out with them before, and even if i hang out with them next week.

when we say fomo marketing we just mean it preys on that feeling? idk

[hexed cloak]

Now that's just nasty

[warm python]

the "maaaybe we'll do it, maybe we won't" attitude doesn't somehow fix the fomo

[hexed cloak]

And so many people bought the fomo owl too. ☹️

[fast sonnet]

Are you talking about the Umbra Wol? Yeah I bought that and then my game file got corrupted so I had to make a new player. 😐

[hexed cloak]

😳New fear unlocked
They don't even make backups?
Did you do something or did it happen on its own

[marsh depot]

And not to mention how predatory it is now, having the gacha system always pop up when you open your crafting tab and displaying an incorrect amount of guaranteed pulls when you load it.

[lyric night]

bcs ppl love to gatekeep items

have seen conversations from ppl asking if its limited or if they bring it back in the future
they were only willing to buy it if it was limited, guess to feel "special" no clue

[fast sonnet]

I went to log in a week ago and poof, save file could not be found.

[warm python]

I know in the past there were issues with backups (I can't remember which of the ten morbillion problems it was but support was like "well we can't fix it or roll you back so make a new character and we'll give you some zeki coins as a we're sorry")

[fast sonnet]

I bought it because it was glowy and purple and I wanted to have an Elderwood themed companion when I go there lol

[raven orbit]

Palia doesn't do backups :/ A player had an issue a while ago where their account got completely reset (without their notice) and they got zeki coins in return

[hexed cloak]

Did you reach out to support or just straight up made a new account?

[pliant oyster]

When I experience FOMO + predatory there is an entirely different atmosphere than what has been shown by s6 - which is why I respect them and give them my time, effort and talent because I believe in the project & I do want it to continue growing. I feel its irresponsible and just sorta malicious to take it out on a company like s6 who is offering a very fun and comfy experience for free. I've paid hundreds of dollars into the game and I would continue even if I didn't play more than 15 minutes a day. Its a lovely game and it just is unfair to put so many evil coded words on the company.

[sudden bay]

Well I'd definitely be sending in a support ticket, especially if I spent money rather than just create a new account. They need to know about this and you need the item you spent money on.

[loud axle]

Yes and no.

I'm a pretty "hardcore gamer" so I enjoy sinking time into finding rare items and such, as that serotonin release is basically why I play games.

But when RNG starts to become part of your core gameplay loop, that's a problem that signifies that there's not enough pure content to keep players occupied.

[fast sonnet]

I'm waiting on a response from support, yeah.

[pliant oyster]

What parts outside of like the amount of materials you get is RNG?

[fast sonnet]

Wanted to keep playing in the mean time. It's no biggie

[pliant oyster]

I mean I've played BDO - Palia is nowhere near the amount of RNG that that game has.

[scarlet hazel]

does this person know about the fishing rng...?

[warm python]

Considering the game has basically become Plushia over the last year.....

[loud axle]

The plushies have become a core part of the game at this point.

[fast sonnet]

EVIL CODED?! I'm sorry, bye 😭

[raven orbit]

Fishing rng, bug rng, crafting recipe rng tied to fishing, plushie rng...

[pliant oyster]

You get them from the daily coins, yea?

[pliant oyster]

So do you want a failsafe system like a gatcha or something ?

[fast sonnet]

Anyway, yeah I'm waiting for support to message me back, they said they're working on it

[pearl wave]

The amount of words i wanted to said but out of respect for this server 😭

[scarlet hazel]

hope your account doesnt get reset

[hexed cloak]

And hunting. And bug catching. And fishing. And Maji Market. And there's limited ones you can't get anymore outside of trading.

[pearl wave]

finger cross that it will get fix soon <3

[pliant oyster]

Do you want them to just give them to you? Whats the answer for it?

[loud axle]

So, there's the potato pods... The fishing plushies... The huntable plushies... The bug plushies... The Zeki Coins... Hotpot...

[fast sonnet]

If it does I have this other one going anyway, I got a regular owl and her name is Lingo and she is just as good

[hexed cloak]

I have no issue with the RNG, just stated that Zeki coins are not the sole source of plushies.

[scarlet hazel]

cool. im thinking of making a new account and starting over sometime

[raven orbit]

Pity mechanics, specifically. There is no reason why someone who has been playing since day one of closed beta, and has spent months fishing for a specific thing (like the sushi recipe for instance) should not have it.

The way Palia does RNG means that you could spend a year trying to get one specific thing

[warm python]

A lot of games with rng for high ticket (popularity-wise) items at least have some sorta pity system

FFXIV's mount totems, for example

[loud axle]

I think you misunderstand. Their inclusion in the game isn't a problem, but it should be a side objective... Instead, due to the lack of content added, the plushies ARE the content.

[raven orbit]

And if they don't they have trading to assit with bad RNG

[fast sonnet]

Honestly I'm not too mad about anyway because I made Hassian my Shepp on accident when I wanted Delaila so 🤷

[scarlet hazel]

ripp

[pliant oyster]

That is fair and valid

[warm python]

There's so many people who have chosen shepps by accident because of flying through dialogue, which is natural after you've seen it so many times

[hexed cloak]

Oof that's rough.
Just a small tip, rather than grinding in multiple small sessions, try one long session. This usually helps because of how computer RNG generally works

[pliant oyster]

But they are a more recent inclusion, they weren't in the game a year ago, yes? And its... still in beta? yes?

[fast sonnet]

That is exactly what happened, I'm ashamed to admit

[worn snow]

smth like animal crossing pocket camp's stamp system for their "fortune cookie" thing would be helpful.

you get stamps from pulls (1 stamp = 1 pull) and then once you get enough full stamp cards (1 card = 10 stamps) you can pick out an item, and they need varying amts of stamp cards

[west marlin]

I'm hoping the woods update adds something above and beyond just a new map to do the same hunting/mining/picking game play but on new assets. I'm not sure that will be enough to entice me...

[hexed cloak]

The dev blog where Elderwoods was initially mentioned states there's gonna be some huge lore

[pliant oyster]

i think pulls for skill coins would be good too

[warm python]

Happened to me too LOL. I made Reth my shepp which granted he's my fav but I was already dating him, I wanted to have a shepp someone different, Ashura specifically but while flying through dialogue I'd already seen a billion times before.... yeahhhh

[scarlet hazel]

i hope if there are new tools then they actually can one shot the copper and iron nodes. i just wanna farm without needing to click a thousand times

[pliant oyster]

you can hold down the click button

[west marlin]

Does that mean quests? Because those are great but a few hours of game play at best or locked behind rng bundles at worse

[warm python]

I wish they'd have a system where you could still swap your shepp before the ceremony but alas

[loud axle]

They're recent inclusions over the last few months yes, but they're the majority of the content that's been added.

As for the game being in beta... That's another can of worms. Technically they say it's in beta but I have never seen a beta game with a fully-functional cash shop, regular monthly updates, released on multiple platforms, with no roadmap for what the team is working on so... To me, beta is just an excuse.

[west marlin]

That's not exactly what I would consider new meaningful content 😅

[worn snow]

i wish the shepp thing did anything

[worn snow]

it still bugs me they have no roadmap 😅

[pliant oyster]

Most live games are in beta in this way these days - particularly with small companies.

[west marlin]

I still haven't picked one I assumed it would eventually do something and I would pick based on that lol

[pearl wave]

s6's with this info:

[west marlin]

I don't know of many other beta games that get monthly cash shop updates, I'm interested to know which ones you're thinking of?

[fast sonnet]

Awh, I feel like Reth would really appreciate someone having that level of trust in him, and head-canonically I feel like the only person who really gets to know him well enough to understand why he's made the choices he's made and could place that kind of faith in him is the player. Everyone else but his sister and Ashura just made judgements on his character.

Though I could see it being a weird dynamic

[sterile prawn]

i also made reth my shepp, i love him, and cant get enough of him lol

[scarlet hazel]

honestly in my fic im gonna do a lot of fix-it things

[loud axle]

Yeah, it's truly marvelous how the gaming industry went from hiring and paying QA testers to getting players to pay THEM to test their game for them. 😛

[warm python]

Oh, absolutely! It did make me happy how he reacted and everything, I just like on a meta level wanted two different people as who I was dating and who I had as a shepp

[worn snow]

yeahhhh fr

[pliant oyster]

Throne & Liberty had a fully functioning cash shop in its open and closed betas

[loud axle]

Like obviously I can't judge too much, I've played and been content with plenty of early access games.

[hexed cloak]

Capitalism 😮‍💨

[pliant oyster]

I work in QA, so I understand the process - it would likely do them a lot of good to have an external QA team

[warm python]

But it is sweet and I feel like him realizing someone does have that kinda trust and does see him as actually part of the community enough for that trust is super cute

[scarlet hazel]

i dont like a lot of palia's story in some places (mostly all the dead wives)

[west marlin]

But it's not in beta anymore right? When I played it there was 5 things in the cash shop lol

[fast sonnet]

Reth makes me giggle and kick my feet.

[pliant oyster]

correct, and it has amazon publishing it - s6 does not

it also had a battlepass in beta...

[warm python]

When he opened his mouth and I heard Robbie Daymond's voice I knew it was over for me LMAO

[hexed cloak]

S6 has Daybreak behind them

[worn snow]

i think mostly that practice is kinda yucky tho

[scarlet hazel]

yeah after s6 got bought out

[west marlin]

I wouldn't really say it's an industry norm idk kinda feels like a strange stand out to my

[fast sonnet]

Yesssss, like "talking to me will give you a bad rep" PLEASE, I HAVE NO DIGNITY

[pliant oyster]

i don't fully agree - mostly cause i spent a lot on this game as soon as i could when Tish was just a TPose zooming around town

[warm python]

Also "other game do bad thing too" doesn't mean bad thing should be normalized

that's how we got to where we are when it comes to mtx in games

[pliant oyster]

I don't think its bad, particuarly since its a free game

[pearl wave]

what is ur point with free game...

[worn snow]

its different to have perks when u donate imo.

i just feel like a cash shop implies that you'll always have the item and it's stable and everything, which hasn't been true

[pliant oyster]

have items been taken away after buying them?

[pearl wave]

[neat compass]

yes, "premium" items have disappeared for extended periods of time or been disabled due to game-breaking gitches.

[scarlet hazel]

man this is going in circles

[pearl wave]

let just stop responding.

[hexed cloak]

Ahem tool skins
Ahem ravenwood glider
(both of which I own)

[warm python]

Frankly for the amount of content Palia has for "free", its massive and expensive cash shop is ridiculous in proportion but

[loud axle]

I don't think it's just the fact that they have a cash shop.

I have played other early access games with cash shops.

It's the combination of cash shop + multi-platform release + regular updates + no development roadmap that screams "this isn't a beta" to me.

[worn snow]

i think other people can answer this more effectively than me, but yes, the items have been glitchy/locked ppl out of their accounts/etc

i believe even in closed beta there were different outfits that got taken away when it opened up? but not entirely sure

[scarlet hazel]

i mean im enjoying the show

[pearl wave]

s6 just don't want to admit that they not actually in beta but rather they done with this game.

[warm python]

I'm still annoyed that they refused to take the broken items out of the shop when they were still broken

[pearl wave]

that the vibe i got.

[pliant oyster]

I see, but you still get to own them? They aren't removed from your account? DBD has this issue too where characters get disabled for awhile due to bugs

[hexed cloak]

Also the sparkly glider is still missing a texture if you play on low settings

[neat compass]

What is the point in owning something if you can't use it, and you aren't compensated for the time you cannot use the item? Especially when the issue with the item could have easily been caught if S6 conducted any preliminary testing whatsoever

[scarlet hazel]

that's honestly disappoiting but not even surprising

[warm python]

They were still actively selling items for a while that they knew were broken and had no specific timeline on having fixed

also honestly it was ridiculous it wasn't caught to begin with but hey

[worn snow]

i heard someone had a rly bad experience where they got locked out of their account due to the bug and support offered them a new account w a bunch of zeki coins loaded onto it 😅 no refund, the outfits gone, nothing

[scarlet hazel]

no they reset the account entirely and gave 50 zeki coins as compensation. none of their purchased outfits back or anything

[warm python]

I know I should but the discussions regular still in me can't stop yapping kjasdas

[pliant oyster]

well i dont think there should be any amount of compensation - particularly if its a gamewide bug and the cosmetic has no effect on gameplay - personally.

[molten parcel]

Is #💬│palia-general invading or something? (Light hearted/ rhetorical question, just surprised to see so much heated debate in this channel)

[scarlet hazel]

that person ended up quitting im pretty sure cause of that mess

[pearl wave]

you love drama :P /j

[pearl wave]

but same with yapping for me

[pliant oyster]

This is pretty lame, I agree

[hexed cloak]

It's always like this in here
cuz this game is trash but I'm still addicted to it

[scarlet hazel]

it wasnt a game wide thing btw. the person was stck on their own plot for months.

[warm python]

I can't deny I get at times and I always poke my head in when I get pinged about new patch drops but

truly I do love to yap

[rare pine]

What have I come back to........

[warm python]

War, war never changes

[pliant oyster]

discussion

[scarlet hazel]

tea! sit down and enjoy with me!

[hexed cloak]

I love this game because no other similar game has such deep integration of social features

[pliant oyster]

im just a big simp for all the characters and like to draw them

[rare pine]

You are correct. They spent like $60+ on the game. They got stuck in the lunar new year market and the devs couldn't figure out how to fix it. They don't do account back-ups so that person's account got ethered. No, they didn't get their money or cosmetics back. Just some Zeki coins.

[neat compass]

I think if a player pays for something and it does not function properly, it breaks their game, or it is disabled entirely, there's something wrong with that picture. I understand that you enjoy the game. I do too. But I also expect the devs to properly test premium/paid content before release, offer transparent communication efforts, and implement proper resolutions when things go terribly wrong. Free game, beta game, paid triple A game, whatever it may be, all players can and should expect those basic things.

[hollow crescent]

shoulda gave them the pal coins equivalent to get their stuff back or new things if they wanted to, zeki coins for chance to get their plushies if they didn’t wanna just give the items

[pliant oyster]

It is just not how games work and I can understand the frustration. llike i said - it happens in games i play a lot. League, DBD, WoW, Hunt- items, characters, maps get disabled if there is a bug. Would you prefer the bug to persist or allow them the time to fix it?

[hexed cloak]

Good thing about Steam is that if stuff like this happens, you can contact Valve for a refund

[worn snow]

no one's shaming u for liking the game. i mean i like animal crossing but i can still criticize nintendo up and down. we're not making judgements on u, just the company

[rare pine]

I honestly felt so bad for them. I think one of the CMs at the time tried to help, but it had already been decided I guess. It was too late for them to even do a charge back on their card or anything.

[pliant oyster]

I do not think this game is perfect, I have to relog a few times a day

[warm python]

Frankly I'd prefer they take the broken item out of the shop temporarily instead of still selling it but hey

[hexed cloak]

Offtopic, but the latest AC isn't even good lmao
The old ones is where it's at

[warm python]

Wild bug to begin with honestly, one of those "I can't believe they didn't catch it in QA" or "I can't believe something got so wonky that maybe they did and it still got pushed live anyway" but that's been....a lot of stuff

[pliant oyster]

I just think its harmful overall to add so much negativity into things that could simply be construtive critizism. I do 1-2 playtests for various games every week. I have to verbally criticize games as a profession. I understand how good criticism can help games - but I also know how muddied criticism can harm them.

[rare pine]

New Leaf is still the best one imo. New one is fun but feels like it's just a decorating sim tbh.

[neat compass]

As I said before, I expect them to communicate effectively and implement a proper resolution (ideally as quickly as possible if it involves a paid item). I've played lots of other games in which stuff breaks, they tell the players they're aware of it right away, they tell them when to expect a fix, and then when their patch notes say the issue is resolved, it's actually resolved.

[hexed cloak]

Exactly. This is why I went to Palia

[pliant oyster]

That is fair and valid - from what I know of s6 - they have always sort of struggled in that way, no?

[warm python]

S6 has always been pretty awful with transparency, and now that they got rid of all the CMs, even more so

[pliant oyster]

CM is community manager?

[warm python]

Yup

[pliant oyster]

Wasn't it due to ones that were weirdly power hungry?

[neat compass]

Back when they had CMs they were a lot more transparent about their errors. They weren't perfect by any means, but if there was in incorrect statement in the patch notes, they would cross out the text and write a correction.

No, it was due to S6 laying off 30%+ of their staff

[warm python]

The first two CMs were great and left on their own terms I believe, the last two were part of one of the huge layoffs

[pliant oyster]

So they don't correct patch notes now?

[neat compass]

If they do, they quietly erase things and pretend they never happened. Which is the opposite of transparency

[olive carbon]

Often they're not comprehensive, can be scrubbed, or aren't accurate.

[warm python]

Yup like how they quietly scrubbed the feature where you could turn off effects on your own outfit and pretended it never happened, because it didn't work

maybe with a CM we could have gotten some information on what had happened but who knows....

[neat compass]

The best way I can describe my concerns about this game is that I have seen more regression than progression as of late. I've been playing since August of last year, and today the game is less playable than it was for me then. Beta isn't beta-ing properly if the game is becoming less functional over time.

[warm python]

We still haven't heard a single peep from S6 why they tried to erase it even existing in patch notes and not being like "Okay but it's broken"

also on a much lesser note remember the snail gaslighting that still makes me laugh so hard

[pliant oyster]

Do you play on steam?

[neat compass]

No I use the old launcher

[marsh depot]

I can completely agree on this. It's specially worse for switch players.

[rare pine]

It's gotten indescribably awful on Switch. My A-button

[pliant oyster]

What issues are you experiencing that is making it less playable? I've run into issues with having my bow out while running or earlier today I just couldnt even load into town without restarting. But they didn't heed my progress.

[marsh depot]

For the record, I play on a laptop, but even friends with actual gaming PCs agree the game isn't well optimised.

Just remember, just because something isn't a problem for you specifically doesn't mean it isn't for others.

[pliant oyster]

I play on a gaming laptop and ive personally never run into actual performance issues on Ultra - and i don't doubt there are issues for other people

[worn snow]

do u mean nh or pc? i like all of it tbh but yeah new leaf > new horizons all the way (also mods might yell at us oops)

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pliant oyster]

i really want the paid pocket camp

[loud axle]

Even my experience from pre-alpha to now is... Surprisingly less different than I'd expect.

There have certainly been improvements, but we had literally the same playable maps back then as we do now, just different versions.

[marsh depot]

honestly pc did a great job migrating from their microtransaction system to the complete version, i get it's not everyone's cup of tea but it's been really rewarding with how they turned leaf tickets into tokens you earn through playing

[worn snow]

i believe it was vega, but one of the devs was in here once and someone was saying like, "this just isn't very accessible idk i'm sorry i don't have much constructive criticism" (idr the specific context)

and vega was like. "constructive criticism can be as simple as 'i hate this, actually' and 'this is a pain point for me,' it doesn't have to be long and well thought out to be valuable feedback."

so when someone says something like "too much criticism can hurt games" i think of them saying that.

[pliant oyster]

is the new content supposed to be a new map?

[pliant oyster]

I suppose that is a difference in community QA and paid QA

[neat compass]

This is meant to be a social game, but parties are beyond broken. Players are constantly getting stranded on their home plot or when trying to get back to their home plot because the servers simply say "no" for several minutes straight. And before you tell me that server issues are common in all games - no, not this often, and it's only gotten worse. Maji Market returning was an absolute disaster even though I recall it being a fun event in its initial form. They had fixed the issues with chapaa chase last year, but those issues reappeared this year and have not been resolved. Wall decor items suddenly can't be placed on the wall anymore. Environments randomly fail to load, causing players to fall through cliffs, the ground, unable to interact with anything, etc. I could continue, but I'd really rather be done.

[pearl wave]

[pliant oyster]

That is fair and valid

[worn snow]

it's so good!! (i got automodded bc i screamed ab how good it was.) i feel like 10 bucks (what i paid bc i preordered it) was perfect but i think 20 dollars is also worth, just a lil less worth? idk.

@marsh depot i think it's literally the only way any mobile game should cut off service. and i hope it reminds nintendo i'm a macrotransaction girl, i hate microtransactions

the only thing is whistle pass feels deeeaaad but yk cant be perfect

i wish whistle pass was just a seperate campsite u could decorate but for humans

[worn snow]

what do you mean? sry im not getting it

[loud axle]

Maybe not every single update no but I would have expected a few maps at this point instead of just... Two.

[pliant oyster]

I've just been trained to avoid that sort of criticism as I've been told its unhelpful to devs. But again, I QA for games as a profession - so I suppose its different level of response

[marsh depot]

i'm even happier it was actually cheaper for me due to regional pricing, but it is really worth it at 10 bucks

and agreed on whistle pass, i enjoy the concept but it does feel a bit last minute, still really appreciate how it was handled and been enjoying the game more than ever

[loud axle]

They spent too much time and resources on refining what they had over and over again instead of working on new stuff.

I would much rather have had more content and be refining it right now in a beta rather than spending literal years redoing Kilima and Bahari four or five times each.

[pliant oyster]

I agree would be nice to have more - but I wouldn't really discount the added areas. Like the underground for example. It was not that nice when I logged in last year. It was just a hallway with stuff for sale.

[worn snow]

same i got all of the fortune cookies i completed the full like. christmas stuff. i also love having a buddy omggggg im having sm fun.

as someone who didn't spend a dime on that game, it felt like that marshmallow experiment with the kids. the delayed gratification was v gratifyingggg

[worn snow]

ahhh yeahhh i think that is v different.

[pliant oyster]

I love games and it's always my goal to help them improve overall - so my focus is usually on longer term and community interactions. I do not think this game is perfect but it does do a lot of perfect things. When they add marriage and babies I will never play anything else... until then... my time

[loud axle]

@pulsar meteor 👋

[pulsar meteor]

y'all

[pearl wave]

yes, welcome to discussion?? or is it. 😭

[pulsar meteor]

i mean it was the usual roundabout so i didn't need to backread (but did anyways)

[pearl wave]

true

bunch of circling about xD

[pliant oyster]

Is this the only bugreport channel?

[neat compass]

no it's the only discussions channel

[pulsar meteor]

!support there aren't bug report channels, has to be done on their site

[opal cypress]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[pliant oyster]

Ooh hoo, should probably be one on the disc but fair enough

[loud axle]

There used to be, but the CMs who compiled it were laid off.

[umbral lynx]

no cm no devs they have a website for that

[pliant oyster]

Mods here are volunteers?

[loud axle]

Yep

[pliant oyster]

[pulsar meteor]

yeah, there's not enough folks on the team to parse the conversations of 360k people to glean the reports - stuff like quest-help or tech-help serve as kind of a filter to help people either do workarounds, figure out if it's user error, or funnel it into the correct kind of ticket on their zendesk

[pliant oyster]

Yeah, curious about their QA. I'd honestly apply if I was in one of the approved states

[loud axle]

Evan I was trying to remember earlier... Was the original pre-alpha group 500 people?

But yeah back when it was a handful of us it was much easier for the CMs to keep up on the feedback

[pulsar meteor]

so there was the first 200 and then another 1300, then i think another 3k in the second one

[pliant oyster]

Like - for example - Once Human. Similar scope to Palia. Has a bug channel and bots in the server to do a bit of the heavy lifting. I feel website is a bit harder to get information quickly.

[loud axle]

Thank you, was bothering me that I couldn't remember. I originally thought 100 but was like... That's way too low

[neat compass]

I joined right before they opened up beta, and when they did open it I'm pretty sure the server jumped from like 150k to 300k pretty much overnight iirc 😅

[pulsar meteor]

yeah they had that initial wave of hand-picked they brought in to focus on and then teach it forward to the next wave which was.. two? weeks after iirc

[loud axle]

My memory isn't what it used to be

[pulsar meteor]

i still think about that spiral staircase jump challenge in old bahari...

[scarlet hazel]

spiral staircase?

[pliant oyster]

miss tpose zoomin tish tbh

[pulsar meteor]

it was just how the random rock mountains were placed, i don't even know it was intentional, it just begged for you to get as high as you can and jump/glide from stone to stone

[loud axle]

I just think of resource mountain

[pulsar meteor]

orelympus!

the kissing cave, the construction paper stables...

[pliant oyster]

can you still walk through the stables building?

[pulsar meteor]

haven't tried so i couldn't say

and to be clear i think the game is way prettier and smoother than it used to be, but jank sometimes has a charm all its own

[pliant oyster]

Yeah I wholeheartedly agree

[loud axle]

Oh for sure like I said there's definitely been improvements and things I like. The addition of voice acted lines helped so much with the NPCs.

[pliant oyster]

except when i lose a kill because i was sprinting with my bow out and i cant shoot anymore

[pulsar meteor]

or have to chop the stupid tree and you try too fast to switch to the bow so you re-swing the axe instead of drawing and then they're over the horizon by the time you're ready

[pliant oyster]

I do wish there was a like... a system in place that doesn't let me mash space too fast at the end of a convo.

[pulsar meteor]

i just wanna see the pekis... at this point, they seem more mythical than the phoenix that has literally talked to us

[pliant oyster]

I'm super eager to see what else they come out with.

[mystic copper]

You're not wrong. I just live In an area with primarily mailboxes near the road. I just thought it was a funny thing he pointed out.

[pearl wave]

pff yee

[steel gust]

i really need another side quest, how would i go about finding one?

[pulsar meteor]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Quests

[steel gust]

ty!

[fiery perch]

No need to apologize, and sorry for late response. Just woke up! idk if someone responded already but,
I'm not sure how much they were promoted last year? But I do know they also had the flash and flashbang similar to this year.

[brisk spruce]

they've had the flash effect since they were first added last year, it's what initially caused me to quit because it was the first thing that actually caused me to fear having a seizure

[pulsar meteor]

i believe it was a daily login reward of x10 snowballs (since they weren't in the register) but i could be wrong

[hollow crescent]

daily? i had a billion in my mail

[fiery perch]

Yeah, I remember you talking about this [and also showing footage of it]. I just dont recall how much it was advertised!

Since this year, they literally are promoting it via the trailer 🙃

[fiery perch]

i think my mailbox/news still has like 30 or 40?

[brisk spruce]

yeah it was a daily login reward to the mailbox, you're remembering right! I don't remember the quantity though, I know some of them were stacks of 100 based on what I still have sitting there

[umbral lynx]

Thank chu and I like being polite sometimes since timezones

[pulsar meteor]

i don't think they used to stack to 100 which is why i was happy to dump them in my storage XD

[fiery perch]

No need to ever apologize! Just giving reassurance. I genuinely don't mind! As long as you understand my sleep schedule is wonky and I might not respond right away [It's almost 4pm here for context, and i just woke up...]

[olive carbon]

I really don't remember it being so bad last year but it could have been case by case. Even at cake parties I had a couple pals that would playfully have snowball fights and as a fairly photosensitive person myself, I feel like I would have recalled that really bad flashing and the rapid fire loud sounds as well

[brisk spruce]

snowballs were in one of the update trailers but I dont remember if the trailer had the flash in it
(I'll go find it)

it does not have the flash in the original trailer
https://youtu.be/Rx7yqyte7dA?t=23

[loud axle]

Hiya Ori, was sad you missed the discussion earlier lol. Your input would have been valuable!

Hope you slept well though!

[fiery perch]

Me and my cursed sleep schedules!

[brisk spruce]

also some people know this already but I have reported it to bug reports again this year waiting to see if they actually fix it or not even though they ignored me and others last year

[fiery perch]

And I did, thank you! Now I'm just trying to wake up. Hope youre doing well today!

[fiery perch]

And again, thank you for showing/providing the old footage of it and stuff, too! I appreciate you

[loud axle]

I'm on the struggle bus a bit today lol worked 7:30 am to 1:30 am yesterday and then 10:30 to 7:30 today. Almost there though!

[fiery perch]

Oh man! You got this

[steel gust]

if i have bluberries learnt can i buy some somwhere?

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[hollow crescent]

you can buy seeds iiirc from badruu for guild coins, but can also request from players :)

[steel gust]

ty!

[brisk spruce]

oh I'm sorry I missed this one, it's possible it's case by case but it was as bad last year as it is this year, I linked to videos of it from last year the other day that show it. I unfortunately had the flash so it's now 2 winters in a row that I can't play the game at all because of these stupid things
here's two videos from last year:
https://youtu.be/YtRB-57f6kw?t=2844
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oCkBZUTKpEg

I want to be able to snowball fight too it just needs the flash removed, the rest of the animation (like when you hit a tree) looks great imo

[neat compass]

It’s wild to me that they haven’t resolved it. I know lots of things are broken atm but this is literally dangerous AND should honestly be very easy to fix.

I played an early access game last year that had a lightning feature that was way too bright and flashy, players submitted their feedback, and they fixed it within a week. They toned down the flashing and added a toggle to turn it off altogether. There’s just no excuse 😩

[fiery perch]

I also hate when people bring up that it isn't the company's fault, or that the person with epilepsy should just know and avoid it...

There should always be alternatives and options. And that aside... Uh,

Palia does not warn you about this. They bring up a warning when you make your account, however, after that, it doesnt pop up again.

There has been more and more flashes added to the game. I know for me, when I made my account last year during closed beta, there was little to no flashes at all. But gradually overtime, they added some. Outfits, the red strobing via tilling your farm plots, the random sparkle/flash now when you hit a tree/rock [idk if this is new, but it's at least more noticeable now]. Etc...

It should, 100%, be a warning every time you load up and launch the game. At the very least.

[pearl wave]

yeah i just don't want to hear minions trying to throw it back at my face like that

[fiery perch]

And again: There should always be alternatives and options to turn off these effects. Always always. Everyoen deserves to play games, esp ones that are cosy and to help you relax. Especially for a game that has time and time again tried to claim they are inclusive to all.

[rare pine]

I think the sticking point for things like this is the fact that Palia was marketed as an inclusive game.

[scarlet hazel]

and yet most decide to ignore that, even if theyre disabled. i get it, you love the game and want it to succeed but putting down others actual experiences helps no one

[pearl wave]

more like excluded

[warm python]

[rare pine]

ChatGPT is that you?

[warm python]

sir this is a wendy's

[scarlet hazel]

im gonna be real chief: this is weird. the relationships arent even fully fleshed out so whats in game now could evolve past whats there rn

like, i half get it but its also not this serious at all. why are you so against flirting of all things?

[warm python]

I really don't think Palia of all games is deep enough to be influencing someone's behavior and core ideals to the extent you're trying to say

[scarlet hazel]

no game is. if someone does let it do that then they have problems, not the game :x

but honestly, its really not this deep. if the romance aspect disturbs you like this so much you can opt out of it. i doubt most of the people playing this game are even paying as much attention as you are to this...

[rare pine]

I mean.... it sounded like chatGPT wrote it so...
Either way, you're entitled to your feelings. I personally think the whole but what about the children angle is a bit extreme. If someone is not mature enough to parse the real world from the game world then they simply should not be playing video games. Thankfully, most kids today are smarter than they're given credit for.

[scarlet hazel]

if you want to help flesh out the romance then you can try to reach out to s6 or something, but us as players really... cant do anything with how the game is going unless we work directly with s6

[quiet mesa]

My concern isn't about the current state of the game, but more about the potential direction it could take, especially as it develops. I’m not against flirting in general, but it's about the context in which it's being introduced particularly in a game that's PG-13 and likely to be played by younger audience

[warm python]

And romancing multiple characters is kind of a staple of the genre...? Some games have you need to ultimately lock down, some don't, but.

ultimately with that whole detailed speech you're getting to stuff a person should be learning in life, from their parents, etc. There's always been a lot of video-games-inspire-violence bs floating around but this is honestly the first time I've heard a video-games-inspire-unhealthy-views-on-romance

[scarlet hazel]

there are a lot of questionable things in game. tamala being the biggest offender imo. s6 just doesnt know what audience to stick to so we have... whats in the game rn as a result.

[pearl wave]

[scarlet hazel]

its like a messy collage of.... something

[warm python]

But ultimately I just. It really isn't that deep. It's a genre staple, and these are just pixels. If someone, even a younger person, is using Palia to determine views on relationships, how flirting will affect others, etc, I think there's an issue going on beyond gaming

[scarlet hazel]

if they wanted to tackle unhealthy relationships then they should of went more into eshe and kenli tbh

[rare pine]

I'm 99% sure Eshe beats that man.

[scarlet hazel]

its 100% more like it with how afraid kenli is of eshe

[pallid ferry]

Parents need to be aware that PG-13 implies that mature themes may still be touched upon and actively read what each PG-13 rating on a game is allowing or do a play test themselves. Never rely on just a rating to tell you if a game is appropriate for your child or not.

[scarlet hazel]

like eshe is too proud for a divorce? im tired of messed up stuff in cultures, i dont need it in my cozy game tyvm

[warm python]

The only "huh, this sure is a thing for a kid friendly game" is some of Tamala's dialogue and a bit more scattered about and how you can interpret some of the relationships going on yeah

but to claim being able to flirt with multiple characters as...... /waves hand, all of that, is a lot

[scarlet hazel]

tamala is not pg 13 tbh... idk why they keep pushing the age rating with her so much

[warm python]

And also yeah what Moose said. If your kid is at the age where you think they're that easily influenced you should be doing more research into a game past the label slapped on the box

I've seen T rated games that are barely higher than a G and other T rated games that barely avoid being an M

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[warm python]

And besides, children shouldn't really be playing online games unsupervised anyway, especially if again they're as impressionable as you claim

[pallid ferry]

The rating system is so broad for video games. And yes, if you want to protect your child from any adult themes, buy your own Minecraft server for them and their friends and let them know you’ll be reading back the chat.

[warm python]

it's been a Day here hasn't it

[pearl wave]

that's for sure

[sudden solar]

Kids have access to the internet nowadays, PG13 doesn't really mean anything anymore 🤷‍♂️

[west marlin]

I would be far more worried about my kids having unsupervised acesss to the real people in a social mmo then flirting with the fictional characters hehe

Also my palia boyfriend is a member of a cartel and is smuggling illegal goods to ensure he can afford to keep his sister heathly, like man flirting was the fluffy part of the story lol

I'm pretty sure nothing is stopping you from dating both siblings at the and time either 😂

Not trying to poke fun at the concern, there's nothing wrong with feelings like your children might need parental guidance through that type of content

[scarlet hazel]

i wish they added something that did prevent it. its so weird how you can date them at the same time

[west marlin]

There's just a lot more to navigate then just flirting

[fiery perch]

You are 100% definitely looking too far into it, in regards to the flirting, etc. I don't really think a lot of people are getting those kind of vibes from this game.

Genuinely, I don't think anybody is playing Palia as a reference & 100% truth of how relationships are or how they should be.

[west marlin]

You mean I cant woo a partner by brining them a specific bug or gemstone each week?

[scarlet hazel]

idk if theyre even online anymore rn

[azure fulcrum]

🍿

[fiery perch]

also, idk, friends flirt with eachother all the time [at least, the people i see]. It's usually a way to hype someone up, and make them feel good, too. Like complimenting people.

But i also feel like some 'flirting' is hard to recognize or sometimes some stuff gets viewed as flirting even if it's not.

all in all, def just looking into & reading too much into it lol

[fiery perch]

ok but listen, if someone wants to be my friend, they can bring me a specific bug or shiny object each week

[azure fulcrum]

I like pebbles and rocks.

Collecting shiny pebbles and rocks, and making people feel happy are my Oneness.

[fiery perch]

Shiny rocks are nice.

Also hi Fern, i see you there with your reactions 💚

[pallid ferry]

I caught my spouse by feeding him sooo yep that’s how it works.

[umbral lynx]

were you in the safari zone too?

(this is a pokemon joke please let me be funny)

[warm python]

LMAO

[old tree]

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[loud axle]

(2nd part was 100% AI)

[fiery perch]

Definitely lol
I honestly stopped reading a lot of it and only read the bullet points (that was bolded)

I just went to actually re-read and uhh, yeah

[hexed cloak]

Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for gingerbread cookies

[old tree]

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[pulsar meteor]

(gen chat didn't really take the bait so the fishing moved to here, is all)

[pliant oyster]

Are there any visual representation of runes in the game or like the written language? i feel like there is but i cant remember atm

[pulsar meteor]

it's a 1:1 letter substitution cypher, somewhere they've (players) made some nice looking reference images to decipher it but i don't have one handy

[pliant oyster]

Oooh I will go see if i can find one! thank you working on making NPC OC so wanted to add some lore tings

[pulsar meteor]

oop found one quickly #1136772638040141825 message

[pliant oyster]

thank you!! this one was on reddit too

[old tree]

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[pliant oyster]

Weird effort to put into being homophobic

[old tree]

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[fast sonnet]

This would be a great way to become friends with me. Both in game and irl 😂

[old tree]

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[regal glacier]

PaliaBot doing it’s best

[old tree]

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[olive carbon]

Well how's that for timing

[old tree]

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[loud axle]

It won't do messages back to back but if it's been more than two hours anyone sending a message will trigger the bot to immediately post another reminder.

[olive carbon]

Thank you, this makes sense of it since I was genuinely curious lol

[old tree]

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[scarlet hazel]

anyone wanna bet the patch will take longer then 3 hours?

[dry swift]

Is the news message failing to load for anyone else?

[dry swift]

8 hours is my bet.

[hexed cloak]

Just for some furniture and premium items?

[dry swift]

10 hours! Final offer.

[lyric night]

the last 5 patches (the patches since the acquisition to be exact) were all on time tbf
except for the 12 hour "hotfix"

[loud axle]

Never forget the slowbreak

[umbral lynx]

For fun can they take the game down for a few extra hours. we can all go out and eat or something and let the flames feed themselves it'll be great

[pulsar meteor]

as one of the firekeepers i vote no plskthx

[scarlet hazel]

im sorry but with how things usually go, the wild fire with explode once more...

[umbral lynx]

But we could go out and eat and let it happen it'll be fiiiine

[scarlet hazel]

im napping while it happens

[pulsar meteor]

but who would give the devs our energy, if we don't?

[umbral lynx]

[loud axle]

(IYKYK)

[loud axle]

Oh God that was so annoying lol

The constant sticker spam too

[warm python]

evan I will lock you in a trunk if you bring that up again /j

[old tree]

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[regal zenith]

Can someone link me to a video on how to do this? Please? ❤️

[loud axle]

The folks in #🏡│decor might be able to help!

[vocal sky]

Sooooooo clooooooose

[old tree]

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[vocal sky]

Thank you for the info PaliaBot! accessibility and safety in gaming in SO important, especially with a game like this that helps people relax 💜

[old tree]

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[dense crow]

Is there a place to make suggestions in the discord? Like a suggestion box?

[warm python]

One day I'm going to tab over to this discord and not see something absolutely atrocious about accessibility. Today is not that day and I do not think it will ever be.

[warm python]

Nope, only way is to go through the official feedback channels. S6 doesn't have any CMs anymore to collect feedback here

[dense crow]

Aw.

[warm python]

If it helps any, alongside putting it in through the official channel (if anyone knows the discord command that links to it feel free to post it cause I can't remember), we do discuss ideas here a lot so feel free to mention them here too even if just for a player talk!

[dense crow]

I was gonna say, I wish I could get seasonal versions of my lot skin.

Like, mine is the woodland glade, but I'd love the same skin with leafless trees and snow.

I'd pay to be able to switch for seasons.

[warm python]

Agreed, I'd love to see simple seasonal reskins! It'd add a lot of charm. Unfortunately since S6 started charging for lot skins, as a category they're always going to be premium only D:

can always cross fingers though, maybe things will change one day. honestly I think people would be happy if nothing changed but just the appearance of trees and the ground, nothing fancier needed

for free stuff

[dense crow]

I wouldn't mind paying, tho. I paid for the one I'm using.

[warm python]

!feedback

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[dense crow]

Ooh, TY!

[warm python]

there we go. And I think there might be one or two seasonal paid skins? my eyes tend to gloss over premium content but could be worth checking the shop/patch notes

[umbral lynx]

there are paid seasonal the winter one is tomorrow
the fall one was this patch? hmm summer i guess was the start of it all since beach and such
spring? maybe considered in that lump too

[dense crow]

What I'd like is a winterized version of my same skin.

So I keep the same layout.

[umbral lynx]

ah yeah no defo feedback that
i dont get why we dont have that as a option to begin with the default is nice enough

[old tree]

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[pallid ferry]

I likely won't be around when the servers go down tomorrow, so here's the (early) Patch Bingo! May all go well.

[lyric night]

"where are patchnotes?" and "servers back up?" are almost free spaces

[pallid ferry]

Yeah, I probably need to put them instead of "longer than planned," since they've actually been doing well on that front.

[brisk spruce]

I'll be here after it's up instead of before/during as well so... here's hoping snowballs are finally fixed?

[pallid ferry]

I thought about just putting "Snowballs still flash", but honestly it doesn't need to be sugarcoated.

[fiery perch]

I'll be here and will be doing testing when i can, too.

[umbral lynx]

Lettuce will never get love

[brisk spruce]

"snowballs have flash removed" would be impossible difficulty square can't expect it after a full year

[umbral lynx]

I'm pretty sure most don't even know or have it anymore

[fiery perch]

I'm sure we already know how the snowballs are going to be [unfixed], but if anybody does want to be pinged after i do the testing about whether theyre still an issue or not, feel free to let me know and ill make a mental note.

[umbral lynx]

"it's a free game" should be added total free square though

[lyric night]

mine is vibing in storage
but I couldn't care less about crops honestly

[brisk spruce]

you're probably going to do this regardless of if I asked but I'll take a ping for snowball flash status

[umbral lynx]

Yeah the farming aspect isn't really in palia it's like they forgot about it or something

[fiery perch]

Oh yes, I'm going to let you know either way

[pallid ferry]

Yeah they nerfed it pretty hard.

Which is a shame, because it was the perfect activity for the people who spend hours decorating on their plots.

[lyric night]

I'm glad about that tbh
if I want to play a farming game I'd start stardew valley

[fiery perch]

I wouldn't mind if it was expanded upon, or more was developed for it. But only if it was more of an option and not something that felt required. [like most skills do in palia.]

[umbral lynx]

I have yet to touch stardew, personal choices it just doesn't do it for me I emulate the old harvest moon for that kick at least I get cute cows

[pallid ferry]

Understandable. I use a mod to give myself cute highland cows and prettier pigs.

[fiery perch]

The stardew mods where you can change how your farm animals look make me happy sometimes

[umbral lynx]

Harvest moon modded is hmm

[brisk spruce]

still wish we could trade (NOT PLUSHIES) so that I could just do what I feel like doing, and trading for anything quest related

[fiery perch]

There's somet hat changes the cows to look similar to Harvest Moon cows too

[fiery perch]

Yep. Thinking back to my flea market idea 😔

[umbral lynx]

They really got us with the "not just pods" line... Ngl I assumed that was a placeholder for plushies but when you could trade quest plushie I died a little... That shouldn't of been added

[lyric night]

player run markets would be cute yeah

[fiery perch]

Right lol. Reading 'not just pods' really really made me think it was going to be more.

part of me still hopes the plushies is a placeholder/temporary and it'll be expanded upon in the future, but

[fiery perch]

I genuinely think it could be really cute? Building your own stall, being able to do your own decorations for it, too. Having NPCs randomly come by to make random comments..

[marsh depot]

Same honestly. Brighter Shores currently implemented a way to swap some christmas hats you get from skilling, and since they've already announced they'll introduce trading in the future, I'm thinking this is their way to test it. I was hopeful it would be a similar case in Palia but I'm not expecting anything anymore.

[umbral lynx]

I remember playing a really trashy game... Like fly but not that where there was a set area for people ran stalls like kilima has a great area already for it but I guess it's to over s6s head to work out

[fiery perch]

And I dont' think it could "mess up" the economy much either, if they have it to where the value is set prices. Just a bit higher than Zeki's, just so it doesnt feel like the players time is wasted.

[lyric night]

I was hoping for at least furniture not even all furniture, but the rng furniture, especially makeshift
even tho I knew that wouldn't happen ever since they announced the "trading" feature

[brisk spruce]

there were a lot of games with player stall/market areas back around like... 2010 +/- a few years?

[pallid ferry]

Gosh if we could trade rugs..... that'd be AMAZING

[umbral lynx]

Yeah I'll remember the name mid shift tomorrow probably and just caps lock it in here

[fiery perch]

I'll be ready

[umbral lynx]

Tbh all (not quest) still would of been great even just open trade anything... Sure they have a request system but I'd love to trade off fish for dari any day

[pallid ferry]

I'm so sick of server jumping just to try to get a single rug when I need 30 for a build....

[lyric night]

will be fun to serverhop non stop tmrrw for the curtains

[fiery perch]

this threw me back to before groves were a thing, and i wanted to make a lot of bellflower pieces for a future museum build i wanted to do. ... Yeah, I gave up on that. too much flow wood.

[umbral lynx]

Eugh I can see the spam already

[lyric night]

(would recommend to deactivate the online msg for tmrrw if u have it active)

[umbral lynx]

Shame about snowballs though. I do hope it's just fluff and not actually anything game play wise
Cas let's be honest we've all seen supports replies at this point and they clearly do not understand

[fiery perch]

AND AND AND, i learned the lights i wanted were from Zeki's RNG ball machine and i just. Yep.

[pallid ferry]

oooooffff. The Valley ones?

[lyric night]

the small one lamp(?) chandelier? (idk how I should call it lmao)

[umbral lynx]

I got everything muted discord wise... Like I gotta hunt hard for @ but sometimes I open to question life choices

[fiery perch]

It's the Valley Sunrise one, that has multiple balls/lights on it? It looked really ncie behind fish tanks

[olive carbon]

What if I ghost pinged u

[pallid ferry]

The string of light balls

[fiery perch]

yes! I thought it looked nice behind fish tanks. And for the lower ones, the maji market plant lamp thing looked okay. But it helped light up the ones near the top

[umbral lynx]

Why must you hurt me ngl that happens alot I look for 10 secs and give up really quickly

[pallid ferry]

I wish all lights gave off the same glow. Some really don't do anything.

[umbral lynx]

That's why people reply to me and I magically can not see... Jk I'm just to lazy to block people and it still pings you even if you do... I just magically can't read instead

[fiery perch]

ofc this doesnt work for ghost pings, but sometimes when i get pinged in discord [like palia], i'll just go to direct messages, and there's a button where i can see where i was mentioned and who mentioned me

[umbral lynx]

I'm very lazy

[fiery perch]

It helps a lot lol, or i'll use the search function of like "mentions:valkorii"

[umbral lynx]

Where do you have the energy

[fiery perch]

valid and fair

it just feels like muscle memory for me at this point tbh

[fiery perch]

yes! and it's always so hard to find the one that gives the lighting youre wanting and then in a future patch, that lighting might change

[lyric night]

talking about valley sunrise:
someone pointed something rly interesting out a few days ago: the valley sunrise candelabra has a design that would fit more with emberborn

(oh and of course the Kilima Couch which is not the Kilima Couch but the Homestead Couch which is mistakenly in the wrong set)

[fiery perch]

or when a patch decides to randomly turn off [or on] the lights, and you have to go in and change it all again.

[umbral lynx]

S6 Just shoved stuff anywhere and it shows

Oh tool tips? Naaa just put it there it looks fine no one will notice anyways

[fiery perch]

i still wish the emberborn was coloured a bit different. I get what they were going for-- make it look more worn down, old, etc in a sense? but there's some bits where it just looks like they forgot to colour specific pieces, and it always bugs me.

The artist in me is like "I want to fix and finish colouring it"

some of them look nice, but there's some pieces that im like ... where's my marker

[umbral lynx]

Never look to close when you recolour things then.. The fill lines go hard

[raven orbit]

Is Palia still down or did someone forget to make an announcement?

[lyric night]

will be interesting to see how many of the new tints will actually look good and how many will look horrendous

[fiery perch]

The message is there for tomorrow

It confused me when i loaded up palia earlier, too

[raven orbit]

I'm a fool LOL the time blurs together I thought today was the 17th

[fiery perch]

valid tbh, it happens to me a lot too
also hello, miss you

[lyric night]

it confuses a lot of ppl every single patch tbh

maybe another background color would help, but it won't change anyways

[raven orbit]

💚 solidarity

[fiery perch]

I think it only confused me bc, at least i dont think i read a date, on the message. i only read the time, and i was like "huh?"

[fiery perch]

💚 I hope you know I still think of you everytime i see anything frog related in games
Marvel rivals has these frog statues i keep meaning to screenshot & share with you, if you haven't seen them already/yet

i also thought of you earlier when i brought up flea market idea(s) again

[lyric night]

yeah the msg only shows the time

[raven orbit]

💚 That warms my heart so much!!

I haven't seen them yet, despite my friends playing the game - also yes please palia I'm begging on my knees let us have flea markets for trading

[brisk spruce]

I think of you when I see frogs in games too you're iconic now

[umbral lynx]

They have to add something there isn't much player interaction or events... Groves and plushies? Hotpot eh I guess... But I can go days without interacting with another player heck my last alt only interacted with people to do the dumb request quest... Let us have a reason to make friends (oh the party buff? Which triggers mainly every 7th time wow such reason much wow)
I've gone to a few player ran things that had more interactions than anything gameplay wise and that scares me sometimes

[fiery perch]

I still wisht he dice rolling emote wasn't a premium, cuz that at least would of added more gameplay and player ran stuff

[umbral lynx]

Can confirm I went to a players house to play a really funny 3d snakes and ladders cas I had the emote the fact they pay wall it i hate it hate it in any game.. Looking at you gw and ff... Just make it free I know work goes into it I know it's a income but you are blocking people to be creative and have basic fun

[raven orbit]

I think it would have been great to add something new when they brought out that whole party grow furniture set - with a non-party way for people to get the items should they not want to engage in multiplayer for whatever reason

[hollow crescent]

i'd liek to do /roll or something taht does no emote, let the premium store have the special animation xD

[umbral lynx]

Yeah even this would be a nice middle ground

[hexed cloak]

Or you could have the host who has the emote roll for everyone

[raven orbit]

would be cool to have some palia-equivilent of liars dice / the card version in the inn for players to play

[pulsar meteor]

just so long as they remember to turn it off this time v.v

[hollow crescent]

whatever auni and hassian are playing

what if they turn our lights off again

[umbral lynx]

You stop

[hollow crescent]

[umbral lynx]

I don't even have lights up but no

[fiery perch]

is there no basic /roll in gw or ff? I thought there was ... my memory has failed me [but yes, i agree]

[lyric night]

I found lights that were off 4 weeks after the patch
(I preferred lights on by default tho, its annoying turning them on everytime)

[fiery perch]

it would also just be nice that you could have multiple of the middle-stage pieces of that set...

[hollow crescent]

yea i like them on too, one of them is in teh froggy bucket and if their off idk i might jsut leave em this time ><

[umbral lynx]

Naa it's more the emotes being pay walled not just the roll part... I hate it as a general thing I do appreciate the time and effort that goes into it and do believe they should get paid but companies should pay them for that work... It can be fancy all the razzle dazzle jazz hands it wants but emotes are my strong freebies. Since sometimes (especially with palia) emotes become a form of communication

[fiery perch]

I agree! I mean, i dont mind some emotes being paywalled. But when it's specific ones that genuinely is more gameplay related [like the dice rolling, and not having a /roll as a middleground], it's... ridiculous tbh.

[umbral lynx]

Like heck I won't name the user but someone went wild at me in dms cas I swipe but will turn around and be like oh yeah they need free options...
Like I'm sorry what? I want earnable items in a game about earning things how dare I

[fiery perch]

I do wish there was an alternative for some of the emotes in the ff shop though [even though i have admittedly bought some of them]

[fiery perch]

balance ✨

[umbral lynx]

Up until they updated the payment stuff I got a few but now they are long gone~ cas I'm to mad at them for blocking my payments

(side note I think they fixed it? Or at least made it not so bad but I'm still mad imma be petty)

I see gen has acquired a new snowball misunderstanding 5am so I'm out

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[bold condor]

My neighbor is making brownies and my brain is like GIMME

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[plush egret]

...... this was my wakeup call that ive played way too much the past few days

[bold condor]

I ALMOST have all the furniture to that set I need the bed, the dresser and a table

[hexed cloak]

Well tbh I'm a fishing addict

[fast sonnet]

I'm obsessed with hunting and foraging lol

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[primal lotus]

Then why is the snowball fighting being promoted with this new upgrade?

[fiery perch]

I wish I knew tbh.

[magic agate]

@hexed cloak so it seems you do alot of fishing 🎣 you must go through alot of bait lol 😆

[fair shadow]

Maybe it’d be worth considering the ability to toggle off flashbang effects

[pallid ferry]

If I could toggle off "flash effects" and never see anyone's costume affects or fireworks, I'd be so happy.

[magic agate]

@hexed cloak wow you certainly have a a lot lol what do you use to make your bait?

[hexed cloak]

Tomatoes and potatoes, mostly

[magic agate]

@hexed cloak is that all or do you use other stuff

[hexed cloak]

Yeah

I don't have regular worm farms because you can buy those from Zeki and I don't use normal worms often

[magic agate]

You must grow a lot of potatoes and tomatoes

[hexed cloak]

One third of my garden is potatoes and tomatoes so that's what I have the most of

[lyric night]

they are actually adding free dice

[pallid ferry]

Pulls out Bingo card...

[rare pine]

Every time a patch comes around, I bite my nails wondering if the building blocks are gonna break again, because I have an entire room filled with them that I spent hours on. And considering I don't like decorating, if it implodes, I'll definitely crash out.

[fiery perch]

Patch notes does not acknowledge the snowball flashbang issue ...

I wasn't really expecting it but i was hoping

[fiery perch]

This is nice tbh

[pallid ferry]

CURTAIN RECIPES

[lyric night]

guess we will have to wait for later
they always forget a ton of stuff so there is still a tiny chance

[fiery perch]

Yeah. I'll be testing and stuff to see.

[lyric night]

3rd feminine outfit with custom glider as expected

[magic agate]

@hexed cloak ahh okay

[rare pine]

A beekeeper outfit and no apiary is so on brand

[fiery perch]

The seasonal pets are 1275 palia coins

the flutterfox is 850 coins, too ^ which is at least cheaper i guess

[lyric night]

they are basically the og price of the regular pets

its nice if u don't have the og but not worth it otherwise

[pallid ferry]

Still no tintable Kilima furniture I see....

[bold condor]

My thing is why did they need to be a whole new pet? Why not just a festive skin for your existing pet?

[fiery perch]

yeah exactly

[rare pine]

Because money

[fiery perch]

i hate this coffee emote

[bold condor]

My way makes more sense but yea because money

[rare pine]

To be fair, it could also be a coding issue.

[bold condor]

Coffee emote is sus

[pallid ferry]

The person who okayed this is the same person who keeps giving us cameltoe.

[stuck oar]

So not to sound ungrateful... but people have been asking for the Kilima set to have "tints" {apparently that is the proper terminology, thank you for that by the way} for over a year now... just saying. 🪭 💛

[rare pine]

Legitimately cursed.

[abstract dagger]

Does anyone know if we get some winter wallpapers some time? There were some last year but I wasn't playing then

[rare pine]

They were borked the last time I check and I see no mention of them in the patchnotes so 🤷🏿 Maybe next year?

[tender mantle]

sigh, no mention of a fix for Tamala's cauldron. I'm stuck on three level 5 friendship quests because of this bug.

[rare pine]

Oh this is interesting.

[sudden bay]

AFAIK, this is not an official Palia announcement. I think the mods added it to the discord.

[fiery perch]

" * Resolved an issue where recipes requiring Chopped Bok Choy, Chopped Green Onion, Chopped Napa Cabbage, and Chopped Ginger were not craftable. "

^ This is good, at least.

[spice panther]

Damn. I was hoping they would fix it :/ its a pretty major bug

[fiery perch]

The devs still know it's an issue, though.

[sudden bay]

OH I know. They just haven't acknowledged or addressed it.

[fiery perch]

This is probably so infuriating and frustrating. I'm so sorry :(

[tender mantle]

I'll still check it just to be certain, but I would imagine it would have been mentioned in the patch notes if they had fixed it.

[sudden bay]

Which you'd think they would since it's ON their discord. I guess no one at S6 looks at discord or has anything to do with it.

[rare pine]

I don't see it anywhere in the notes RIP

[fiery perch]

Love selling (broken) premium content

[fiery perch]

Oh, a new issue though

"" The flipping mechanic in the cooking minigame could become stuck in a looped animation, preventing progression. ""

[bold condor]

It may have not been listed by accident or something, hoping that's why

[fiery perch]

To be honest, they rarely ever post every bug fix, bug issue, or even things that they added :s

[rare pine]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

[dull crow]

Wow they now show me how much xp i gain but doesnt say if a higher level leads to better loot or more loot when i do an activity

[bold condor]

Noooo plz anything but that

[fiery perch]

"" You’ve got some serious skills. Why not show them off? We’ve improved XP clarity by showcasing the amount of experience earned for each skill, such as foraging, mining, etc. You can even see when your XP is boosted! And if you prefer a lil’ mystery, you can toggle off visual XP collection in the Gameplay Settings menu. ""

So... so. We can get a toggle for a (new) visual xp collecting thing, but we can't get a toggle for flash and visual effects in general?!

[pallid ferry]

I feel like that's been around for a while. You have to back out and get back in for it to work properly.

[sudden bay]

Adding the dice for gold is good and I can't wait to see the new colors

[loud axle]

I'm cackling the snowball fight isn't even a new map or mechanic it's literally "in case you missed it"

[bold condor]

I've had no issue with the flipping mechanic... once I found out you hold and release and not click

[fiery perch]

Like, Don't get me wrong, i'm glad it's at least an option you can turn on and off. But it frustrates me, that theyre adding it for that and not for other, general, visual flashing effects.

[sterile anchor]

ripppp

[hasty valley]

i ave a problem with the mission activates the island's flow portal

[hexed cloak]

The gif makes me hopeful they fixed the flashbang

[pallid ferry]

@fiery perch is the snowball flash missing in the gif? They don't mention anything special about snowball fights, so maybe it's their way of saying it's fixed without admitting the trouble it caused.

[runic eagle]

Hope this is retroactive since it doesn't specify.
"To unlock the recipes for each new curtain, players must complete each tier of the Room To Grow accomplishment by constructing up to 9 room add-ons to their home!"

[fiery perch]

It is missing in the gif, at least, but we'll see. I'll be testing it later. I hope it's actually gone but it is s6.

[hexed cloak]

That sh is getting turned off asap

[loud axle]

"Hunters & Chapaas is inspired by the classic Snakes & Ladders board game. Play your own way by making up your own rules!"

Why does this game INSIST on making players create their own fun?

[fiery perch]

"oh gosh i guess people might of missed it bc theyre not wanting to give friends eyestrain! Gotta make sure to advertise it again!"

god i hope it's actually fixed but im not holding my breath tbh.

[fiery perch]

I will say, I am glad that players are at least getting their own free dice.

[runic eagle]

We are getting these? They have an emote for dice. What's the difference
"And no game board is complete without dice! You can purchase the White Six-Sided Die and Red Six-Sided Die for 500 Gold each, also available at Reth’s Register in the Underground Black Market."

[fiery perch]

Looks like that one is being used via on the board itself? Just based off looking at the gif.

[loud axle]

Will they actually be rollable? We'll see

[livid lagoon]

Maybe buyable dice are plot decor, palia coin dice are portable (in way of being emote)?

[polar elbow]

Free dice only allowed in housing plots, that's why, yep

[pallid ferry]

B/c they already know we can decorate better than anyone on the team. Players doing things in spite of the things they keep doing is all that's keeping the game going.

[fiery perch]

yeah, what you and kresjah said. like, it's on the board, it looks like it does some roll type animation.

so probably placed, and you can then interact with it.

[sudden bay]

Well to be fair this is in most games. Look at the sims. Much better creators than the actual game content.

[marsh depot]

i really don't get WHY they had to do it like this

[fiery perch]

and reth also WATCHING and stuff? idk something about it feels so weird to me.

[sudden bay]

why not a simple pour and drink emote

[hexed cloak]

Like, could they not give us a normal tea drink emote

[pallid ferry]

I would've paid for an emote of me holding a silver coffee cup and drinking it. This abomination goes with the hotdog outfit.

[fast sonnet]

That new dance emoji. It... It scares me

[pallid ferry]

Yeah I thought it was a simple dance, but they went... overboard.

[fiery perch]

i still can't get over that the new festive pets is literaly the old pets but with a hat on them.

[vivid oar]

I wanted a dance emote so much, just a basic silly dance... that one is so strange D:

[marsh depot]

this is what it should've been but instead we got well.. whatever this is

between some of tamala's lines and this i'm really questioning who's letting this stuff in

[rare pine]

Pretty on brand though