💬│palia-discussions

[honest scarab]

Just getting started? Find a someone offering a cooking party and sign up! It really helps to see how other people set up their kitchens and run their parties. Make sure to try out a few as some are better run than others. Some parties are listed as beginner friendly. My advice is to say you're new at cooking and/or parties. I've found people to want to be helpful or extra patient with people learning what's involved. Unless you are a fast learner or experienced at cooking I'd stay away from any party listed as a speedrun or for intermediate/experienced in cooking. Everyone starts out as new and not knowing and it won't take long before you'll be hosting people to cook on your lot!

[dense kayak]

Okay! I’m new in the sense that I’ve never done one of the parties and I’m just now getting to recipes that require duplicates of stations. I’ll have to check some out!

[summer rock]

I just saw a player with gold tools.. am I missing something???

[dense kayak]

It might be one of the skins for the tools

[summer rock]

Oh jesh okay thanks! Haha

[dense kayak]

No problem!

[noble eagle]

Hi all, hope you've had a wonderful day/night.

I was wondering about how palia is early access game right?
Am I assuming once the game isn't on "early access" we lose our progress and have to start again, or not?
Thanks for reading 😊

[tranquil nest]

Nah, we don't lose our progress c:

[noble eagle]

Omg gorgeous!! thank you so much

[midnight oak]

There would def be riots if they did a reset XD

[zinc jetty]

Bundle stuff is so hard omg

[noble eagle]

Right?! I've spent 90 or so hours prepping my castle. This game is fire.

[orchid hull]

Copy

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[swift token]

I don't have access to my PC right now.
May I ask of there are green tool skins? And if so, is there a screenshot of them? 😍💚

[swift token]

Oooh! Not as pretty as I'd hoped! But good to see!

Thanks so much ✨

[radiant fable]

Im just curious~ What are the max number of friends we can get in Palia?

[tranquil nest]

Max friend count is 200 (last time I checked)!!

[radiant fable]

I see.. Alright noted. Thanks!!

[runic eagle]

Yeah and this includes pending requests, so be sure to either accept or clear those

[radiant fable]

Aaa.. Got it!

[versed oar]

I really like hunting but omg I swear if I lose another magic deer or smthn bc it runs into a wall and glitches out of existance after I spent 5min and like 20 arrows on it /s

It is kind of annyoing but I'm fine I know it's still early acess

[vagrant star]

If I remember correctly, they mentioned wanting to address bugged animals while hunting. Fingers crossed it'll come soon!

[torpid grotto]

hey guys, my friend play palia for the first time, Can you provide feedback regarding this video? https://youtu.be/40SfVDl0dSM?si=E5wJrpSXQQcBlr_L thankyou

[haughty swift]

Or when you do kill it and the loot gets bugged and you cant pick it up.....

[versed oar]

Yea I've seen that happen to others. I been lucky on that so far

[frigid walrus]

That’s happened to me a few times since the last update. I see the bag, it says “loot” but nothing happens when I hit the key. Sometimes I can still get it after a few tries and walking around it a bit but sometimes… just nope.

[raven linden]

ive been on this map before, there is more stuff missing there. Zeki's coin register is also gone so you cannot sell stuff. Just relog and you will join a different server, usually

[weak wigeon]

i saw zeki's too haha

[worn basalt]

I wonder when they will put out the patch notes and if they will actually be detailed. I have been waiting for a tree in every plot counts bug to be fixed for months now.

[olive carbon]

It's a "hotfix" so they'll likely tell us what they're focusing on but it's not an update where we get actual patch notes. So I'll be interested to see how much information we get, previous hotfixes we were basically told "it's sever maintence" and that was the most official word we got on the matter.

[worn basalt]

So frustrating

[modern rock]

they did add patch notes for the 0.179 hotfix so it's possible they'll do it again this time. https://palia.com/news/patch-179#hotfix1

[zinc jetty]

Managed to finish my first bundle before down time 🥹

[woeful dust]

I really hope they fix the root vault bundle with this hotfix

[keen sparrow]

what with it?

[shadow echo]

Yall, talking a bit about relationship and specifically Tamala lvl 4 romance...
Already, from the get go, i'm only doing that quest cause the completionist troll in ly brain is urging me to, but how effed is that that ||You have to go to HASSIAN of all people to get the quest to make her a pin...i know you can skim him and go to sifuu, but it feels almost just as wrong||
Can't wait to complete that quest, get the end quest item and dump her sorry ah

[woeful dust]

It won't let people complete the part of the bundle with the apples 😦

[keen sparrow]

:/ did not have that problem, but remember to do the q: the gardeners new oneness. when that is finished u will get flow seeds ^^

[proper quiver]

Going to draw Einar on stream during the patch!! Come chat and hang with us while we wait to hop back on ❤️❤️❤️
Twitch ID: LieutenantCheeks

[woeful dust]

I romancing Hassian just because of how crappy Tamala treated him

[shadow echo]

pal keep the self advertisement lowkey pls

[woeful dust]

I'm dying for the flow seeds

[shadow echo]

If tamala has 1000 hater, i'm one of them, if she has 1, i'm there, if she doens't ave any, i'm dead XD

[woeful dust]

It bothers me cause I LOVE her aesthetic, so I'm stealing her man and her house

[dense basalt]

i love tamala am i weird XDD

[shadow echo]

As a character i love her, she is well written and everything, her story is interesting and all, but as like, a person to interact with...
Oooouuuu i despise her

[woeful dust]

Do you typically enjoy 'mean' characters in other media? Cause I usually hate them too

[dense basalt]

yea i get that. i wish i could be a witch like her. i need her house to mine XD

[dense basalt]

no. i usually haaate mean characters. but i feel like tamala is hated for being different and that is probably why i like her : DD

[stuck oar]

It would be appreciated if this could be done sooner rather than later. As this is an issue that I've been dancing around for... well a long time.

& also just as a note: that the application mentioned in this post has a feature that players have been asking the developers for, for the better part of 9 months now.

[Which is a way for players to see their current item counts for their plot]

[woeful dust]

That does make sense. I probably would like her more if she had treated Hassian differently

[dense basalt]

true. i love himmm so much

[tired fiber]

Well.. I hope they fix the problem of loot we can't take

And the problem of Muujin who teleports

[dense basalt]

SAME oh god i have lost multiple magical muujins to that bug

[loud axle]

S6 isn't exactly known for their swift development time. People are still waiting for accessibility options that they said were on the way after the steam release fiasco several months ago...

[dense basalt]

i would like flow trees on my plot but the sound they make..... nope. i am autistic so it is a pain. wish u could turn the sound offff

[tired fiber]

And it is even possible that we lost plushies there ×.×

[dense basalt]

YUP i am missing one muujin (thhe normal one) and it could be just in one of those bugged loots

[fiery isle]

fwiw there's a third party way, the paliapedia app which'll track the counts for you

[smoky isle]

I put mine in a courtyard and only had to hear them while I was watering.

[worthy oxide]

How long does maintenance typically last?

[stuck oar]

That is the one I was referring to in my OP yes 💙

[high plinth]

The notice said appx 3 hours for this one. A lot for a hotfix, I think.

[worthy oxide]

Thanks, Hamst!

[brisk wharf]

hello!

[errant tinsel]

Hi!

[celest maple]

Hello, everyone

[worn basalt]

I wonder what a 3 hour "small" hotfix is actually about. But it is a mystery... ssshhhh

[wise hearth]

at least they tell us when it's happening though

[dense basalt]

bug fixes and hopefully something nice too

[worn basalt]

I would like a list of when other bugs will be fixed, more or less, cause I can not decorate due to the tree bug

[rich void]

hopefully hotpot only at night is getting fixed to be 24/7

[elfin rune]

hopefully a fix for groups 🤞

[dense basalt]

tree bug??? i noticed my juniper is inside my grand hharvest house top floor. like part of it : DD

[dense basalt]

this would be actually good. or change the time window even a litttle

[worn basalt]

Every tree I have on each of my 10 plots counts accumulative towards the decorating cap on every single plot. So if each plot only had 300 tress, I could not place a single item anywhere

[dense basalt]

ok this is absurd. i had no idea. i havent really started decorating so i havent ran into bugs like these yet

[rich void]

I thought trees didn't count towards decorating cap

[bright ledge]

they do; its a bug that it counts towards every plot not just the plot they are present in

[rich void]

ah

[worn basalt]

Flower cap is 500 of the 3,000. Tree cap is 3,000 of the 3,000. So literally you can cap a plot on just trees, so it wouldnt stop at 500 if it was accumulative, like with flowers

[bright ledge]

thats not palia currency so idk what you're talking about

[fiery isle]

that's temtem

[thick wagon]

OH CRAP WOOPSI

[worn basalt]

Reported and blocked

[thick wagon]

WHY DO I KEEP THINKING THIS IS TEMTEM SO SORRY!!!

[fiery isle]

what's really funny is I answered this thinking this was a different palia discord

[thick wagon]

😭 again so sorry

i think iv accidently done this 2 times know and whats funny is temtems not even in this folder enymore

[pliant tinsel]

Is there a way to increase storage beyond 8 chests

[bright ledge]

[winged bridge]

Hopefully in the future there will be, im a hoarder 😄

[pliant tinsel]

Let me hoard things

Omg 😭

[bright ledge]

you dont need 6000 weeds though

[winged bridge]

but I do though!

big numbers make me happy

[pliant tinsel]

I like spring cleaning and earning a bunch of money

[fiery isle]

did you upgrade the chests?

[pliant tinsel]

You can do that...

[winged bridge]

did I what? oh no...

[bright ledge]

this is the worst if you do it then new stuff comes out and oh no you just sold that fish/bug

[fiery isle]

okay go to Tish's register (not to Tish herself) and buy the recipe, that'll get you up to 10k storage (not counting the potential 300 from 3 lockboxes)

[pliant tinsel]

I'll have to jump on that when the servers are up

[bright ledge]

theres a copper and iron chest upgrade atm

[woeful garnet]

We need a palium chest upgrade.

[pallid trench]

Hey! Does anyone know which bundle is this top from? When i add it to cart, it sends me back to the store and not with the bundle in my cart.

[shrewd vessel]

I also would like an easier way to track which collectible loot such as recipes I get from loot piles

[spark pawn]

That will be available after this hotfix!

Nice combo btw the skirt fits perfectly

[wise hearth]

IT WOULD BE COOL IF WE HAD an achievement "Flotsam is Finished!" and you can see all the flotsam recipes you've acquired

[shrewd vessel]

I don’t see the achievement on the switch, I meant that I would like to track it like you can with the achievement makeshift is all mine

[wise hearth]

yeah that's what I meant too, I just was like "ooh that'd be a good idea"

[pallid trench]

ty!

[shrewd vessel]

Ooo sorry didn’t read that part

[fierce geyser]

Will Palia ever be available on Linux?

[raven linden]

No emulators available?

[vagrant star]

It's not known if there'll be an official release but #1136399336385806427 has some advice for workarounds. Steam's Proton works pretty well for me.

[olive swan]

Hey! So if I originally played through the palia launcher, can I still download it through steam and keep all my stuff? Or should I continue to use the launcher?

[dark marlin]

yes you can

[tranquil nest]

Your gameplay is saved across all platforms as long as you have your Palia account!!

[pearl wave]

As much as i loves their hotfixes but 😭

at least tish is fixed i think..

[regal aurora]

Why not fix the loot bug???
3 hours for this is just.....

[pearl wave]

I just find it disturbing that they had 3 hours to work on more than 3 issues and they just goes with that. 😭

[regal aurora]

Yep

[pearl wave]

im curious if its because it's a lots of coding to fix?

[viral rune]

really is that all ? what about the tree bug? this make me crazy what about the limit

[regal aurora]

Tree bug?

[pearl wave]

guessing they mean the 5 devotion trees

[viral rune]

no not the 5 trees

[quartz depot]

I cant claim my twitch reward log in using steam is not working

[viral rune]

a long story ... every day i miss trees on my mainplot

[regal aurora]

Its a hotfix, this means its a software package we need to download and we should be able to login What are the 3 hours for? Dont you have a test environment S6?

[regal aurora]

Ah yea, they teleport to other plots

[viral rune]

yes and i cant replace becaus i am at the limit

[regal aurora]

They arent gone they are on other plots

[viral rune]

but i dont need them there

[lucid hornet]

Its not like they fixed them in 3 hours, they only applied the fixxes, the coding happened way before that.

[regal aurora]

I had one teleporting into my house on other plot

[viral rune]

The situation is so frustrating to me so i think about quit Palia

[tranquil cosmos]

Can the trees be picked back up and moved?

[viral rune]

no they cant replaced because i am at the limit with my mainplot

[regal aurora]

Exactly so kick everyone, place the download and let everyone in after installing the patch. Shouldnt be more then 2 minutes

[lyric night]

just don't be on other plots when trees grow (so 6am) and they won't port

[regal aurora]

Yes

[narrow oyster]

Weird thing is my jumping trees went back to their original plot upon reentering/relogin

[tranquil cosmos]

If you mean decor-wise, iirc you can pick up 1 item and then you should be able to place trees/flowers again?

[regal aurora]

Same here they jump from plot to plot

[lucid hornet]

Well, idk why they need that long, but propagating over all those regions could take a bit. Its not like they only have one server.

[honest scarab]

wait... they didn't even fix the loot bug? Or am I missing something?

[pearl wave]

nope :') they just acknowledged that it an issue

[honest scarab]

WOW

[narrow oyster]

I'm guessing the main purpose of the patch is to sell new outfits, so maybe you want to check those out to see if you like them

[regal aurora]

All servers are back up at the same time. Its just a file everyone needs to download. Hence the name Hotfix!!

[viral rune]

no @tranquil cosmos i removed 50 items i cant replace the trees and the next anger floors and wallpapers get also lost and cant replaced

[tranquil cosmos]

Yeah the wallpapers and floor bug is super annoying too

[regal aurora]

Cool got Server connection lost already!

[honest scarab]

I was in a great hunting party last night, 4-8 people at any one time, we got a lot of muujin. I stopped counting lost loot bags after 40 and around 10-15 were from the white muujin. That's a lot of missed chances at a plushie.

[haughty swift]

So disappointed that was not part of it...

[sinful ether]

Same😫

[regal aurora]

Getting peoples hopes up announcing a Hotfix and then giving them this.......

[sudden bay]

A three hour time limit to apply a patch is reasonable....unless you are a coder and know something we don't?

[honest scarab]

Between loot bags we can't pick up and glitching bugs and animals the actual drop rates of the plushies is much lower (more difficult) then whatever numbers shown in the code

[regal aurora]

There was a problem with your place in the queue Please try again

[onyx storm]

Is anyone having issues with getting into the game? Me an a friend are trying to play but it won't connect to any servers.

[native skiff]

I have been stuck in loading screen for 5mins now 🤔

[regal aurora]

Its a hotfix, its already finished. Its not that they are coding it in the 3 hours the servers are down

[opaque hamlet]

I used the /unstuck and promptly crashed after trying to plant a seed and it didn't let me

[sudden bay]

You are right. That coding most likely was done between the patch and now. A lot longer than 3 hours.

[sudden bay]

Probably just everyone trying to login at the same time. Give a few minutes and it should connect.

[undone blaze]

yeah you're not alone

ive been waiting patiently for 20 minutes and im finally in game

[onyx storm]

We've both managed to get in finally.

[pearl wave]

I just talk to tish while she walking, i can confirmed it is fixed lol

[raw garnet]

If those 3 issues are all that they fixed than this is pathetic patch. Did they fix switch players constantly getting booted out?

[hexed stirrup]

[regal aurora]

Nope

[raw garnet]

I bet they also didn't fix the newest CASH outfits tail from glitching either.

[regal aurora]

And also the whisper chat is bugged and im testing now and it still doesnt work

[raw garnet]

My friend plays on switch and has stopped until the switch issue is fixed, guess I won't be playing with them for even longer

[sudden bay]

They fixed what they said they fixed in the notes

[regal aurora]

That will take forever..... im on Switch and my friend has to make her plot "Switch friendly" meaning remove lots of stuff for me to be able to visit. If not i crash all the time

[past timber]

this was one lazy hotfix

[honest scarab]

nothing hot about it

[short phoenix]

Are you kidding me? You didnt fixed the loot bug? Goodbye Palia.....never seen such incompetence

[tribal field]

I love this game but it would be nice to be communicated with. There’s so many issues we have been bringing up and none of them have been addressed.

Here’s hoping they see the discord messages and act

[woeful dust]

This wasn't a patch, this was a hot fix that was meant to fix issues from last week's patch. So, they've only had a week to work on these fixes

[tribal field]

True

[bitter hill]

As much as I agree that the devs could have much better communication in regards to bugs they are aware of, I also feel like a lot of people don't know the difference between a patch and a hot fix.

[lean roost]

Did they give us anything for being down?

[spark pawn]

No they never do that unfortunately

[bitter hill]

Yeah some bug fixes

[lean roost]

I thought they did with the last time they had the game down??

[woeful dust]

"
📣 We will be rolling out a small hotfix to address some issues players have been experiencing in patch 0.180."

The announcement even said this would be small and only fix some problems since the last patch. In the notes for the last patch, there is a link to the official support website where all the bugs they are aware of are organized

[spark pawn]

Was it the flutterfox plush? I think that was just to promote the new cash shop pets that released

[lean roost]

No the last one when they gave us rooms and a patio

[woeful dust]

That was because they tweaked the furnishing quest line rewards and they needed to catch everyone who already did it, up

[tranquil nest]

Content updates are monthly occurrences, and then sometimes they have some patches in between where it's just maintenance and bug fixes :3 (like this one!)

[thorn cypress]

This was just a hotfix to fix some common bugs, not a patch for new content. It gives the details in the Palia News discord.

[lean roost]

Ooooh okay gotcha. I’m pretty new to the game and just joined the server

[sudden bay]

I think they should give everyone all the plushies for being down to fix bugs /sar

[spark pawn]

Here’s the full list

[fierce geyser]

How do invite specific player to play with me?

[woeful dust]

Are you on switch or computer?

[fierce geyser]

PC

[woeful dust]

Hit o, for social, scroll down in the server list to find the person, then click to add them. At least that's how I do it

[granite vault]

Would’ve been nice to have an update on when they plan on fixing the bugs that make the game borderline unplayable, not to mention the crashing on switch either.

[short phoenix]

For all the Fanboys, the loot bug is the worst for me as a player who loved the game right of the beginning. Normally you should give your best to fix it in the next 3-4 days after the patch. And its unimportant if i know how hard it is to bring out such a "free to play" game. It shouldnt be normal and you lose player on this way. But i guess this is fine for S6. So have fun

[fierce geyser]

I can't find the player I'm looking for. How do we get on same server?

[woeful dust]

You should be able to search their name in the social tab

[bitter hill]

Hey I feel ya man. You either have the patience to wait out a fix or you don't. I hope you find something that fills the void in the meantime.

[woeful dust]

Being a beta player is fun ❤️

[bitter hill]

Amen 🙏

[fierce geyser]

Name is not coming up

[sudden bay]

Ugh, I keep accidently removing my floors and then can't remember which one I had down.

[warm pier]

is this normal? T-T

[sudden bay]

Probably not. Maybe they made you an honary NPC? 😂

[woeful dust]

Maybe it's a glitch

[woeful dust]

I've seen chayne doing that too xD

[warm pier]

just build dif at this point

[woeful dust]

This all reminds me of Dreamlight valley. They said that it would be free to play after beta finished, changed their mind, charged 50 bucks for it and made a 50 buck sequel, continues to blast out paid content, all the while the game still crashes on switch and runs and looks like crap. And this from a world class company. I'm much happier with s6 and their communication and update strategy

[rigid shell]

Still no loot bag fix tysm 😭😭

Hunting stinks anyways

[hard latch]

S6 is soooooo much better than ddlv in that sense. At least they plan on keeping their promise. Cuz I still hold a grudge on ddlv for backing out on that.

S6 isn’t entirely perfect but at least it’s f2p friendly

[lilac fox]

Maybe the one who knew how to fix it got laid off

[rigid shell]

So if you get fired then the people still there doesn’t know their own games and how to fix it? 🤔

[weak wigeon]

wait... that's it?

[untold sluice]

Yo, the way ya'll talk is so dehumanizing.

Like honey this is a game run by 60 people only a few of which can even work on bugs. You complain about lack of content but then also demand that the content be polished when it arrives but then also can't stand if a bug isn't fixed when the game is in beta as if that's their primary issue over the fact there ain't enough stuff in the game to warrant being able to pay their bills. So do they put people on making content or do they put people on making nothing and just combing through files to fix bugs?

People aren't leaving because of the bugs and they aren't not showing up in the first place because of bugs. Game doesn't have enough stuff.

Saying it's incompetence is cruel, like do you even know how the bread is made they can't just choose to fix one bug because they put a week into it. There are many reasons why bugs show up that could require months of work to narrow down or fix because it may have to do with larger issues that can't be reverted and simply have to be reworked.

Ya'll act like this stuff is just some meal cooked in a kitchen that has a hair in it

But you can go pay a bunch of money for Dreamlight valley and get scammed and still complain there.

[fossil spindle]

I'm thinking this underwhelming hotfix is the beginning of getting us all used to downtime that doesn't really give us anything of substance. The last patch was huge, but they laid off a huge chunk of the people responsible for all that content. Without those people, they won't be able to release things that substantive anymore. Watch. This will be the new normal.

[bitter hill]

It is normal for an online game to go down for bug fixes. Bug fixes ARE substantial.

[fossil spindle]

This one wasn't though.

[limber dune]

its literally just a hotfix. welcome to software dev

[fossil spindle]

And it's ridiculous to act like this isn't a huge change from the norm

[hard latch]

If they are really having troubles financially (I wouldn’t be surprised) they should more cosmetics to the game that people can afford. Cuz I know there are people that are unwilling to pay a lot of money for something they don’t even want. I know the foxes are cheap but some people want outfits they can wear. Having outfits that are more masculine would definitely be a step in the right direction.

[fossil spindle]

Look. I've been playing almost a year. I'm not being unrealistic, based on what s6 has claimed to be doing or has done over the course of that year.

If you want to get your knickers in a twist bc someone who has been here and been paying attention to their words, their actions, and the ways in which those things do or don't line up, maybe the issue isn't with the players.

[untold sluice]

Given the length of time to get a product through the pipeline it will be a few months before we see any meaningful knock-ons. Not to mention a lot of the layoffs weren't focused around content production: community staff, concept artists that already did enough concept art that the actual content teams have clearly not even caught up remotely, managers, etc....people they'd need if the game was large not if it's still a niche game with a small market that needs content to survive at all.

Aka, we don't know what impact this will have on the content pipeline for at least a year because we don't know what those teams were responsible for, etc. The pipeline they have been working on likely still hasn't even hit the live client. Things like Elderwoods have been in production likely for 2 years.

AS for this not being a "huge" bug fix the patch has been out for like a week so it's a week worth of hotfixing and they probably just posted it because it fixed some key bugs they knew they could get fixed quickly.

Saying this is a huge change of norm is fairly ridiculous given the content gluts this game was going through. We didn't get much of anything after Maji Market up until a fairly infuriating and lackluster holiday season spread with nothing for Halloween and nothing in Winter till Lunar Festival which was just Hotpot on the same Maji event and a wishing tree...except a few decor items for christmas...that was with FULL STAFF. So again, we don't know what's being held back for specific events, holidays, and so on

[limber dune]

as someone who has been around since beta, its both. the devs are obviously struggling to keep up, and modern gamers are also wildly entitled and have to wring their hands and concern troll over every little slight

[fossil spindle]

The toxic positivity is as much a problem for maintaining player base as the absolutely awful behaviors by s6. You don't conduct a beta by ignoring player feedback, and you don't foster a good community atmosphere by gaslighting, dismissing, and attacking players who love the game and just want it to be what it was billed as, from like 2018.

[untold sluice]

That's literally every cozy game community so I think you're blaming S6 for something they had no hand in. You don't choose your community outside of choosing your genre. You can't just make your PvP full loot faction game suddenly nice because the community manager asked them to be nice

[radiant sable]

Right!! Like I don’t care where Tish stands. I want to get server syncs, party invites, and loot bags. These weren’t broken before…

[fossil spindle]

Weird. I've never experienced this with any other cozy game.

[rigid shell]

They only fix the stupid stuff, not the stuff that matters.

[untold sluice]

That's crazy because I've experienced it with everything except maybe Stardew Valley's because it's the only product that everyone was just happy it existed at all

But yeah sure the Dreamlight Valley community is just so perfect and this community is just bad

[fossil spindle]

So, it's okay to act like that, just bc it's what you got used to in those other places? Noted

IDC how you try to justify it. It makes the entire thing less likely to improve and/or succeed.

[untold sluice]

Honey, I'm literally just being critical of your expectations I am not being toxic.

I can talk all day about the issues Ive had with this game but I find ranting about the hotfix not fixing enough for a multiplayer online game to be incredibly devoid of context for how any of these games are fixed and work.

Certainly in a beta where the primary goal is to test content

[fossil spindle]

Not your honey, Cupcake.

And yeah, you are.

[wise hearth]

Well maybe the "stupid stuff" are things they can easily tackle within a three hour time frame. Things like fixing loot might take longer and would require more down time.

Pick and choose your battles at this point because they're genuinely trying to fix what they can in feasible time frames

Not everyone is going to be happy with what they decide to fix

[untold sluice]

I dont think it has to do with downtime, that's just the time it takes to take down servers, replace the game files, boot up servers, and give it back to players after initial testing to make sure no new issues cropped up that made it so people couldn't log in

The fixing goes on over weeks and possibly months in the background by dedicated staff or the same devs making content going back through and finding what code they misplaced or did wrong or how some other thing they did clashed with stuff going on elsewhere outside that project to lead to a bug

[wise hearth]

that too, thank you for pointing that out

[untold sluice]

The only reason downtime is longer than 3 hours is something went wrong and we couldn't get in anyway or getting in would endanger our save/files

[barren charm]

they fixed the stupid stuff? Like the vaults ? so people can get the cool looking tree?

[wise hearth]

that tree is awesome :)

[untold sluice]

Im sorry, if having someone disagree with you is toxic positivity simply because they don't agree with your perspective on how games are made then I don't really see how you expect to be treated differently.

[fossil spindle]

Beta is, as you mentioned, supposed to test content. And then respond to player feedback about that content.

This was never a beta. Not since it became an open beta. They've repeatedly lied, omitted info, ignored heavily ethically problematic stuff, snuck things into patches they knew players would hate, broken more than they've fixed with their "fixes," silenced marginalized people who've expressed a simple need for extremely basic accessibility issues, and laid off dedicated team members repeatedly, despite being profitable.

Toxic positivity is pretending that none of THAT context exists, so you can act all superior and holier than thou with players who have every right to be upset

[barren charm]

ddlv is a car crash and a complete disappointment I've been looking into refunding it

[wise hearth]

Conscious consumption does exist

[untold sluice]

No, if that's the opinion I had on this game there is nothing to save. Period. If you believe these things to be true in totality with no grey area or point of contention you are immoral for even taking part...because that's the black and white way you've painted the picture and the way you've completely dehumanized their position

[fossil spindle]

Sure thing bro

[untold sluice]

To you, they are liars, oppressores, greedy, and sneaky. That's the way you've framed them, I'm not defending them for all those things but if simply disagreeing with a technical element of how the bread is made is "condoning all these things at once" how do you expect to have a conversation

[fossil spindle]

So you're a better person bc you ignore the issues, instead of pushing for improvement. Got it

[haughty swift]

Soo... yesterday and today were the luckiest days ever..

[fossil spindle]

Meaning?

[wise hearth]

Hey congrats! :)

[untold sluice]

Money isn't a democracy and conscious consumption is an ineffective tool to make change

[fossil spindle]

Awesome! Congrats

[haughty swift]

I hunt everyday, nothing happens. I start hunting with my bf (who has every plushie already) and this happens xD

[untold sluice]

Managers and money pushers have no logical incentive to assume that the lack in funding has anything to do with their decisions and simply just blame the product. That's it. They can simply handwave it as the vocal minority

[fossil spindle]

My partner has the same luck with the zeki coins

[haughty swift]

My man bought 20 zeki coins for the first time yesterday, he got THREE plushies...

[drowsy kernel]

I think people can sympathize with the actual people who get in the mud so-to-speak to craft the game, but sympathy starts to sour when the people in charge of finances step in (which Palia reeks of let's be honest)

[haughty swift]

some people just have the RNG gods with them

[fossil spindle]

"hand wave it as the vocal minority"

... Like you've been doing.

[barren charm]

tbh i'd just like more free clothing options

[untold sluice]

I never appealed to plurality you're projecting

Im fully aware the majority of gamers hate game developers

don't care who or what makes decisions, and treat companies and the people who work for them as a single entity that at every level is culpabale for every other employees behavior and decisions

[wise hearth]

Like longer skirts or something for free

[wide hound]

Gentle reminder to discuss the topic, not the person.

[woeful dust]

I feel like I'm being gaslit when people say s6 isnt listening

[fossil spindle]

My sympathy is absolutely with the creators of the really amazing parts of the content and the functional mechanics. Always has been. But also, the people making decisions are the ones who have the greatest impact on how things work moving forward, and they suck in every conceivable way.

[wise hearth]

same

[fossil spindle]

How so? It's demonstrably true in so many ways that they haven't listened to a lot of really important stuff. Like accessibility

[drowsy kernel]

Nah they're listening, it's just they're not doing an amazing job of company-to-playerbase communication

[untold sluice]

Is it? because you've decided that simply because they are not in a position to communicate what they are doing that they must not be doing anything

[drowsy kernel]

what are you on about

[fossil spindle]

Go ahead, tell me what I'm thinking. 🙄

[barren charm]

the fact that a hotfix was dropped and they seemingly made vault of roots easier to finish for people, when other (non specific game) makes people wait for a main patch which didn't fix your issue at all and took 3 patches later does say something good about the speed s6 get on issues

[woeful dust]

Especially because the root vault was the one thing messing me up xD

[untold sluice]

You can't just say "we are working on that and this and that" when you may or may not be able to finish it any time soon. Then you're just a liar until proven otherwise

[fossil spindle]

Almost a year in, and they still haven't added even the most basic accessibility fixes. Even though they said it would be included a couple of patches ago.

[barren charm]

didn't s6 studio get downsized recently?

[untold sluice]

twice

[stoic frost]

Three times if you count november

[fossil spindle]

Three times

[untold sluice]

true

[fossil spindle]

That's part of the issue

[drowsy kernel]

Yeah the downsizing is one of the red flags for me, because they also took out a good chunk of the engineering team iirc?

[fossil spindle]

They're downsizing WHILE ignoring major issues that affect a lot of players

[woeful dust]

They've already stated that accessibility is a goal for them. Is this something that is easy for them to add to the game? Which settings would you like. Please be specific and include all features

[untold sluice]

I mean, imo, they pre-hired for a much larger game they didn't have the money for...a lot of people were on staff that were expendable at this stage in dev and hopefully they get hired back when they can afford to pay them and not go bankrupt in the process

[untold sluice]

I don't see how those are related, they downsized because they ran out of money. Addressing issues requires labor that requires getting paid

[wise hearth]

They are also listening to** some** things and implementing small things where they can. We got books when I've seen so many people ask for books for our bookshelves

(this is just a small example)

[fossil spindle]

Mhmm. Tell me again you're not trying to gatekeep which perspectives are valid?

[fiery perch]

To be completely honest, we have been. Since closed beta. We have made a list, we have included features we'd like, we have been talking about it for ages and have ocntinuously told them about it.

We have even made a document about them.

[untold sluice]

It's easy only in the relative solution they came up with. At what level of complexity are they going to address the issue and what factors are actually the issue is what makes it hard to say if it should be here yet or not

[rose echo]

No basic accessibility, constant crashes and server instability, frequent deleting/silencing of criticism (including a full firing and reset of the mod team here) and people say that we are being delulu about S6 not listening to us 😭

[fossil spindle]

This. The player created database of accessibility issues, iirc, even includes coding references for how to fix a lot of the issues.

[woeful dust]

How many people does it take to implement them?

[hard latch]

It might not be a matter of them not listening to us. It could be they don’t have the time or resources to focus on all these issues. I don’t know

[obsidian flint]

OMG

[untold sluice]

We don't know, because we don't know what their solution is or how complex their backend is to implement it

[wise hearth]

CONGRATS

[woeful dust]

I'm asking for more details 😄

[vagrant star]

Sernuk Plushie? Congrats!

[rose echo]

Funny considering how many people they have fired....

[woeful dust]

I've never heard of a gaming company communicating on that level

[obsidian flint]

THANKS 😄

[barren charm]

whilst I can't fully weigh in on all the details, I will say the bar for not listening for me and from my perspective is quite low due to some games that simply outright don't listen or care for their community and only listen to feedback that brings in money

[untold sluice]

They don't. Hence why this community still thinks they are being ignored, they seem to have had other experiences with other games where the developers had a livestream of the accessibility meeting and are watching them code them game. They simply stated they are working towards a solution and now are liars until they can get it out, according to the logic of gamers

[fossil spindle]

I'm not obligated to provide you with a complete and comprehensive list of all the major issues they've ignored or broken promises about in the last ten months, homie. Stuff it

[rose echo]

Lots of companies communicate about that kind of thing and are very transparent about their process. I'm not sure what you mean here?

[barren charm]

so seeing s6 hotfix something annoying, helping me correct my country in my account, etc puts them above that low bar for me

[untold sluice]

What companies?

[fossil spindle]

You know, I'm actually, SINCERELY glad that works out so well FOR. YOU.

But the way so many act like that means nobody else gets to complain about legit stuff is busted

[fiery perch]

It doesn't matter. We have been asking about these features since closed beta. We genuinely have fought for so long for even basic brightness & even contrast sliders. Took them way too long to implement-- and instead they were changing those themselves which caused issues for everyone, since everyone is different in that regard... even has a blue hue/filter over it now.

They added a gamma slider ages later, but uh... that also makes a lot of things worse, due to that blue filter. This is just one example I'm giving you of something that is rather basic, and is usually (i know not always) added in early development, and is already there.

The point of the matter is, you, what felt like, demanded us to make a list of all features we want ... when uh, to be quite frank, a lot of them are a necessity or a need. There are some skills I straight up struggle with, or can't do unless I want physical pain, because of it. Like, why can't you "toggle" an option to do a 1-click for smacking mining nodes, trees ... fishing, etc.

So, I'm sorry, but we-- esp people who need these features-- haven't felt very heard for a long, long time.

[woeful dust]

You are not obligated, but you did assert something and I was asking for more information. That's usually how discussions go. What would you like me to stuff? 😄 😄

[barren charm]

i know a game community you'd love

[rose echo]

Larian, Square Enix (at least in regards to FFXIV, cant' speak to other games), Young Horse, PuffPals, Stairway, Ooblets, I could go on. Like I could be here all day listing companies that have extremely in-depth developer livestreams and blogs that show backend processes and talk about detailed things

[woeful dust]

Emotionally it doesn't matter. People with disabilities deserve to be heard and that progress is slow. But this is a problem endemic to the gaming community, not s6 specifically. For comparison, Disney dreamlight valley is also crap when it comes to accessibility.

[untold sluice]

I mean, sadly the reality is they have a pipeline and they can schedule those things in but pulling someone off a different project to then put them on a brand new project isn't a usual way game devs gets done.

End of the day, the game released too early and it's pretty clear it was a money issue given they've laid off half if not more of their staff

So their rushed product has lots of basic features missing, I assume at some point they will get addressed. They'd be better off to make a roadmap or outline of intended features but they probably are just poorly managed as it's a brand new company.

[fossil spindle]

Right but how many of those games were marketed for several years as inclusive? Specifically.

Like, I want to know how it's inclusive to literally silence disabled players for months, then promise them the fixes they've begged for and not deliver.

[rose echo]

DDV has better accessibility features than Palia and I say that as a disabled gamer, though you're right it does still fall very short, and that's saying a lot.

[woeful dust]

Does it?

[untold sluice]

We have no indication they've given up on those promises, which I guess is my contention. So going from "we asked for it" to "they lied to us about wanting to get it to us"....is an overescalation and misleading to everyone

I imagine they'd very much like to provide a slider for every variable in the game but it's either not lined up on their schedule yet due to issues with different things they've been working on or in the process of being worked on. If we get 2 years from launch and they haven't touched it? By all means, I just think it's not really been long enough, yet, to make the accusation of them being liars.

[woeful dust]

Literally silenced? What do you mean?

[fiery perch]

Going to also state here, this is a response to you (top 1-2 paragraphs), but is also just a general comment::

I'm not going to deny that the game is released "too early" or something along those lines. I'm merely reacting to the fact that someone pretty much demanded to see a list of all the features we "want", when, quite frankly, a lot of them are a necessity.

Accessibility, in general, imho, is something that should be a focus. Esp on a game like this, where they have advertised to be inclusive, let people play how they want, etc... The game isn't like that currently.

It isn't a good feeling when a game that's labeled as such, has specific temples or bundles that are "soft locked" for you, because you cant do that skill or activity. I can't do temple of gales. I can't fish without being in physical pain at this point. I know there are other people there who struggle with similar, or even different aspects of the game.

Don't really see why people think accessibility should be on the bottom of the barrel, and then straight up forgotten about. Kind of ridiculous, to be quite frank. It happens a lot, or at least it gets talked about as if that's the case or how it should be. And it's tiring and quite ableist to some degree. We're allowed to play games, too.

[regal aurora]

The loot bug is effecting everyone = High Impact, bug fix asap
Vault Caches impact a limited group = Low Impact, bug fix when possible

[fossil spindle]

IMO, bare minimum for "inclusive" would be as follows:

Consulting accessibility experts, or at the very least spending a half hour googling video game accessibility. They didn't do any of that, before release or since.

RESPONDING to feedback regarding inclusivity and accessibility. There's literally no reason to believe they're listening without the responses.

Providing an actual realistic timeline for addressing issues in this vein.

Following the timeline and communicating clearly when it gets extended.

Not closing the issues channels specifically meant for accessibility for weeks, then opening a new one while specifically informing disabled players devs would not read it ever.

[untold sluice]

Yeah Im just saying when it comes to things like sliders it's not as simple as just "ok we made the UI you can adjust those now"...who KNOWS how they coded the game and what features are hard to get from engine tech internal features to UI features that can be shifted on demand.

Not to mention we don't know how large of a solution they have in mind, and the larger the solution the longer the entire package get delayed.

Much like Elderwoods you can't deliver any of it till it's all done depending on what solution they came up with to address accessibility.

Because if they put in more work to go deeper and give us more tools to help, it may cost more time.

[fossil spindle]

Just a few of the major places where they've not only failed to do as they should, but flat out refused to

[fossil robin]

is... is badruu ok? why does he look flat...

[rose echo]

They haven't even added VERY BASIC FEATURES most other games have... Like come on...

[fossil spindle]

Look into what happened to the original discord accessibility forum.

[woeful dust]

I asked to see the list because I assume its a very comprehensive and long list and I want to see how easy these things could be to Implement. People keep referencing a list the community made but I haven't seen it so I have no idea

[fossil spindle]

Google is your friend. I'm not

[bitter hill]

I think we all want high impact bugs to be rectified asap. The fact of the matter is, they may be still working on it and are trying to get it fixed as soon as they can. Releasing a hotfix that rectifies issues that may have been easier or faster to solve, in my mind, does not equate to them not working on the bigger bugs at all. Would you prefer they hold back releasing all of the small fixes they have and release them exclusively with bigger fixes?

I would rather they release the fixes they can as they are able, while still working on the ones that need more time.

[fiery perch]

Responding to you real quick, so I can show you what i'm referencing.

#♿│accessibility-discussions , and in the pinned msgs. But it's this msg in specific:: #♿│accessibility-discussions message

[rose echo]

It's literally pinned in the accessibility channel

[sudden solar]

a brightness slider is not rocket science since it is literally built into UE. You can literally go into the Palia game files and adjust the numeric values yourself if you know how, they just needed to make a simple UI for it, which apparently took nearly a year /gen

[woeful dust]

Dear friend, I Googled, I saw no list ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[untold sluice]

And the UI dev has more than one project, they scheduled it, they would get to it when it was scheduled. I agree, they need to communicate on their pipeline and what they are working on.

But I've followed projects that literally give their production schedule and it's almost never accurate because that's not how game dev even really works as you're constantly putting out fires and shifting staff and projects take longer than anticipated by large metrics

[somber crag]

Alright, let's make sure we're being careful of the assumed tone that's coming across in messages. Please stay civil with one another, use tone indicators if necessary, or don't engage.

There's been a lot of good discussion happening and I don't wanna watch it devolve.

[fossil spindle]

#💬│palia-discussions message

[fossil spindle]

And that's my stop. I'm not going to be tone policed for being upset by people tone policing those who struggle in ways they don't. Accessibility isn't optional. Not being ableist to players who mention it isn't that difficult. In fact, it takes much more effort for an able player to BE ableist in here than it does for them to just not.

Peace

[woeful dust]

Why did you tell me to stuff it?

[bitter hill]

[barren charm]

they put chat bubbles in and then some people had issues with chat connections

[somber crag]

I'm not asking for any discussions about accessibility to stop, but it doesn't lead to constructive conversation to tell people (1) you're not their friend, or on the other end (2) that people shouldn't be frustrated about a lack of accessibility options within the game. All it does it make tensions rise, and instead of it being education... it comes across as mean.

I've been apart of the accessibility conversations, I really like them / find them beneficial to read.

[limber dune]

not for nothing, but chat bubbles are literally an accessibility option

[fiery perch]

Brightness sliders are not the same thing as altering the UI. Me, along with others who have been needing features, understand that it's a lot more work to implement a way to scale the UI yourself. That's fair. That's valid.

A brightness slider, which it's pretty clear they can add, is something that is a lot more basic. Again, there's a gamma slider. But it doesn't really help for a lot of users, or even make some things worse. Esp since, the gamma slider affects both brightness & contrast at the same time.

I just want to say as well, again, the blue filter/hue is something that messes this up a lot. Which is 100% the fault of the devs making that choice. I'll even provide an example of before and after, in case ppl don't know what I'm referring to here. 1st one is without, 2nd is with the blue filter.

People have been asking for at least basic things, or at least things that seems clear they could probably implement them... esp since there's already a setting where Sprint can be a toggle and be able to change said function.

My main point is the fact that, people (in general, not saying you in specific), usually implies that Accessibility should be at the very bottom. Not as important, etc. But again, I will state:: It is. Esp for a game that advertises as inclusive. Even if that means only adding in basic accessibility, or having ways of making things easier.

Also... they didn't really mention much about accessibilty or give a timeline, until it got pointed out a lot in steam reviews and were getting bad press over it. Which, again, makes sense, but uh... it shouldn't of gotten to that point, imo.

[wise hearth]

I'd also argue the ghosts are too?

[barren charm]

the only one thing I want fixed is the chapaa who turns off placed lights when placing them

[woeful dust]

Wait. There's 14 things on that accessibility list. Is that it? As someone who had to quit their job due to a diagnosed anxiety order, I'm not sure that needs to be on there?

[fiery perch]

Yes, to a degree! It definitely helps some people. I had to have them turned off, for example, because it's overstimulating, and overwhelming for me. It is something I am happy is in the game, since it does help some people! That also makes me happy.

[limber dune]

and it was implemented as a direct response to player feedback. all this to say, i think they are listening, i just think this stuff is going to take longer than some folks have the patience for

[untold sluice]

Yeah I hope Im not coming off like I don't think Accessibility is important, at most I just think IF they have a solution and ARE working on it it may be in all chances likely that it's a larger solution given the AMOUNT of feedback they got over accessibility to the point they got an entire large list from the community of things they want for it.

If that's the case, they could likely be packaging that into a larger overhaul that may address a ton of issues, as well as we don't even know if the existing UI we have is what they intend to have as the final product or this is a placeholder...so any work they do on it now may get doubled because they will replace it anyway.

So idk, I've just seen UI be a lot more complex of an issue when it comes to scaling and making it accessible and useful so I just don't think it's a simple issue

[fiery perch]

I counted 30 bullet points, so i'm not sure what you're looking at honestly lol

[untold sluice]

Im also not saying they are working on it, Im just saying there hasn't been enough time/communication to know either way.

[somber crag]

I think they're looking at the Community offered adaptations for those that are looking for helpful tips, not the accessibility suggestions for S6.

There's two documents in the pinned message. You'd wanna look at this one: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XbE_6wfJ6od6gQPZb6NQO2jkWsRLol8YpyU-sWo-znM/edit?usp=sharing

[fiery perch]

This makes a bit more sense, thank you haha, i was so confused.

[sudden solar]

First: Palia has more than one UI dev - or had at least (rip lead UI designer, gone but not forgotten ), and again, its a simple feature as it is imbedded into UE.

Second: I don't care that other projects did not hit the scheduled date, the problem is that S6 never had a date, or mentioned in any of their dev posts/diaries or hinted at the slightest intention to add accessibility options before they got slammed in the steam reviews is part of where the issue lies

/gen

[untold sluice]

If they communicated it would solve the issue, and I wish they would, but it's hard to communicate when you've hemorrhaged 50% of your company in a year, your job responsibilities keep shifting to adjust, and the people that would be in charge of that couldn't be paid.

[fossil spindle]

#💬│palia-discussions message

[tribal field]

The entire gaming industry is laying off people and it sucks bad

[untold sluice]

RIP Fae Farm

[polar elbow]

the key point for me is, accessibility is about options. The more options, the better.
If the game is too dark, it's not as accessible for people who have trouble seeing dark things/in the dark.
If the game is too bright, it's not as accessible for those who have sensitivity to bright lights.
If the game is in-between, it might not be as accessible for those who are on the more extreme ends of that brightness-sensitivity spectrum.

How do you make sure your game is accessible to everyone? by providing options, toggles, etc, instead of trying to find one setting that's perfect for everyone, because that perfect setting doesnt exist lol

[untold sluice]

Definitely a major labor squeeze going on

[spark pawn]

The accessibility communication problem had always been an issue even when they had 200 enployees. It’s the persistent issue with non communication that has people frustrated. It’s a pattern atp

[tribal field]

Can we just not be nasty to each other? I’m frustrated to but S6 is trying. They will eventually fix these problems but they can’t snap their fingers and make it all go away.

[fiery perch]

Again, I'm not talking about changing or scaling the UI. You keep saying that. I'm talking about basic features such as brightness sliders, which isn't tied to scaling the UI. That literally alters just how the game looks as a whole. That is the example I've been giving, and have even stated that isn't what I'm trying to focus on-- and even understand that takes time.

And we have been asking for communication since Closed beta. There has been little to none, other than "soon!"-- which is usually quite minimal and said like once or twice. Can't really blame the layoffs when this has been an issue for so long, to be quite honest.

[limber dune]

yeah they probably don't have a roadmap they feel confident pointing to because they can't even guarantee the success of the game. overpromising and underdelivering is always worse than the opposite

[woeful dust]

I love the chat bubbles! And the flares! And the more pal, and the bigger groves. Oh and they did tweak the fishing a while ago to make it slightly more accessible. I looked at the actual list (lol) and yeah, those are reasonable requests. I believe s6 will implement them when they are able to with the least amount of glitches

[wise hearth]

this, right here

[untold sluice]

Sliders need to go into UI, if they already have a different UI holistic solution that would replace the existing UI anyway...they may just not want to multiply the labor to temporarily add a feature to a system that will get cut out.

So while I agree that specific issue isn't complex, I think issues around it can make it a larger issue

[fiery perch]

We're discussing and talking. Not trying to be nasty to eachother. And the few people who have been, it's already been addressed from a mod.

[woeful dust]

Yes, that still doesn't answer why you told me to stuff it

[tribal field]

I’m sure S6 will be responding to all this discourse soon as well. There’s too much for it to just be ignored.

[somber crag]

I think the frustration comes in because some of us have been talking about issues/accessibility since pre-alpha.
These things aren't new to a lot of us, so it'll likely continue to come up until S6 decides to actually implement/address things. ❤️

[untold sluice]

No way you have a roadmap when you are losing a quarter of staff every time you see the newest Quarterly earnings

[somber crag]

It's been literal years for some of these things, unfortunately.

[fiery perch]

Considering they already added a gamma slider that doesn't really help or make things worse for a lot of people, I don't think that's the issue. Again, scaling the UI to make it fit isn't the same thing as letting us be able to alter bright something is (or vice versa), so we don't get headaches.

[stoic frost]

This doesn't inspire me with hope

[fiery perch]

ty Anner. Some of these have been absolute years (or what feels like it) where we have been asking for basic things, with little to no response, roadmap, or communication on. It's frustrating and tiring as a whole

[fossil spindle]

While I agree that it doesn't lead to productive discussions, and that the comment was mean, I'm very exhausted from being expected to educate every ableist player who attacks people with valid complaints, and it's not my job to make them feel good while they're being ableist.

[bitter hill]

I took a lengthy break from the game (I started playing when it first launched in open beta), and I was really happy with all of the changes and additions that were made. There's definitely work to to be done and options to be added, but the game is in a better place than it was. I worry about the longevity of their monetization strategy, as I've always been, but coming back to these changes leave me hopeful there will be more.

[somber crag]

I think that's why it comes up in discussions so often! I still try to stay hopeful, but y'know.

[bitter hill]

Not everybody who disagrees with your point of view is ableist.

[tribal field]

Same! I stopped playing for like 2 months and I came back when the new update dropped. It’s a fantastic update! New features and some fixes of old things were great

[fossil spindle]

If you can't see it, I can't help you

[somber crag]

I don't want anyone that struggled with accessibility to feel like it's their job to educate anyone, but I think it hurts the cause more than helps it when people get a little nasty during these conversations. That's why I say it's best to step back if it's becoming too much - not because the discussion needs to stop.

[dire coral]

This will go just like when my bus driver would say "coming soon" whenever I called as to why he was 20 minutes late. Would he come in the next 10, or the next hour, or at all?

I never knew

[woeful dust]

Im literally out of work because I'm disabled and you told me to stuff it because I asked for more information

[woeful dust]

I'm sorry, it's the autism

[fossil spindle]

If I believed anything I said could have any measurable impact on "the cause," and isn't just me screaming into the same void, this would be a different discussion

[bitter hill]

SO real bestie. (I mean that genuinely lmao)

[fossil spindle]

You demanded unreasonable labor from a disabled player who had legit complaints, and implied they weren't worth listening to or believing without it.

[fiery perch]

You're right, but depending on how things are worded, said, and then continue to not want to understand (again, saying in a general sense, not specifically anyone here), it can come across like that. Because people have been ableist about these features before in the past.

Like, I honestly find it pretty ableist when people want to imply that these features should be at the bottom of the barrel, or something similar. It just blows and it gets tiring.

Again-- this has happened as a whole in the past. So hopefully you can at least understand why me, and others, might be frustrated when it looks like that might end up happening again.

[somber crag]

Then take a break (I mean this genuinely). It can be exhausting, definitely. But that doesn't mean I can just let stuff fly and not try to deescalate before stuff fully flies off the handle.

Also, enough of the 'X' reacts please.

Any passive aggressive react does not help.

[fiery perch]

I agree with this. I don't mind to some degree, esp since it's something I'm very passionate over-- plus, some of the features/options, can also come across as QoL. I don't think a lot of people realize that some of the things we need, may honestly, also benefit others!

[woeful dust]

No I asked a link to the list that had been created and referenced. And I asked for it to be thorough because these issues are important to me

[fossil spindle]

Okay. That's not the way it came across

[woeful dust]

I'm sorry, it's the autism

[somber crag]

It's always best to not assume what someone else means in their message because tone is so hard, especially in these convos. It's always better to ask for clarification before we jump to assuming the worst.

[bitter hill]

Hey I get it. I have more disabilities than I can list on one hand. I just think that patience is a virtue in these circumstances and while it is immensely frustrating, taking a break from a game that isn't as accessible for you as it could be, can be essential. I too want them to implement things that help people be able to enjoy the game.

[somber crag]

There's a lot of passion around this topic because it means a lot to so many.

[limber dune]

at the very least, verify before repeatedly calling another disabled person "ableist". yikes

[untold sluice]

Yeah it's tough to take implications from text seriously and it can just get you in trouble

[tribal field]

Especially knowing the amount of spectrum players there are. It’s really hard to read tones for a lot of us

[fossil spindle]

Internalized ableism is a thing

[fiery perch]

Yes, and I have a lot of disabilities myself. And it's very difficult to be patient on matters that shoulda been here since closed beta, or at least worked on since closed beta. Even if it's just communication, roadmaps, etc.

And I will state, I do take breaks. Regularly. I have to. The game gives me headaches bc of the brightness/etc. And other issues. But I'm still gonna talk about them & try to discuss this stuff as a whole. ((Not saying you're saying I shouldn't, just saying a general comment/statement.))

[untold sluice]

Exactly, I think best strategy is just to assume the best intentions...especially when the game we are playing is so clearly not exactly going to attract the types of people that would be hostile to your cause and at worst are just not knowledgeable on that specific topic because we can't know everything and have to pick our context.

[woeful dust]

It's also hard to notice the accessibility features that have been added if they aren't the ones that you need

[bitter hill]

Yeah for sure. It's just key to be kind when ya can. (not directed at you specifically.)

[sudden solar]

Have they added anything but the gamma slider?

[limber dune]

i don't think it's necessary to assume that either, lol. it was just a disagreement

[bitter hill]

Personalized assumptions about people are not conducive to discussion.

[somber crag]

Ye, and if anyone here doesn't have the emotional capacity or the spoons to explain accessibility topics, you can always ask people to step in on your behalf. There are a lot of us here who would be willing to step up. It doesn't have to fall on any one person's shoulders to be educational or helpful.

[woeful dust]

They changed the fishing a while ago which really helped me, the chat bubbles, the pal, the groves. And since they added group loot, my friend helps me with activities I struggle with

[fiery perch]

Me, along with other people in accessibilty discussions, genuinely go through what we can to see what might help others, etc. We go through it. Yes, some gets missed bc it doesn't help everyone, but we genuinely try to go through.

Some people are passionate about it. Some people even have jobs in the accessibility field, so they may have a better idea of what to look for.

Genuinely, I agree that they can be easy to miss if you don't struggle with that particular thing-- however, a lot of people have been trying to look, and find what they can. Even things that seem small, we have tried to find. It's also why we have a spreadsheet on workarounds and fixes, for those who need it, too.

I hope this makes sense, cuz i am re-reading that and it looks like word salad, but im not sure ... so if something doesnt' make sense, feel free to tell me

[bitter hill]

Group loot has been so incredible.

[polar elbow]

The group loot for parties is really cool, but I hope that it could be added for fishing too because that's one thing I KNOW a lot of people struggle with.

[tribal field]

The group loot feature was a godsend! I have very shakey hands and it’s always hard for me to hunt because my thumbs constantly move the directional buttons on my controller. It’s so good that we can share loot now!

[woeful dust]

I get what you mean. They definantely have a long way to go, but I haven't seen evidence that they don't care

[tribal field]

Because of this feature I got all my muujin plush with the help of my friends

[vagrant star]

Not sure if this is a stupid question, but was the fishing in the last two or three months, or older? Just asking since I didn't notice anything...

[woeful dust]

I think it was older. They changed the speed of casting and added a slider

[vagrant star]

I see, thanks Shadowvaine!
I guess I'm too young for it then.

[fiery perch]

They're talking about this, I think.

Which, I think was more because they made a change tht fishing was really slow. Infuriatingly, so... which not only made it frustrating for those who were used to fishing or something similar-- but it also made it more painful for me to hold down the button for it.

The casting speed helped, but to be quite honest, still doesn't help everyone. Which is fine, not everything is going to. I'm just still holding out hope that they add a toggle-able function for these things. Just 1 click and it'll do said thing. ((example: 1 click, it'll continuously chop a tree still. 1 click, it'll cast the line out, and you can press the button etc for the rest of fishing.)) ... which wouldn't fix everything (since some ppl struggle w/ focusing on the bobber, for example), but it'd at least be somethin' else, ya know.

[woeful dust]

Yeah I get that and would love that too. It's hard to be inclusive when everyone's needs are different

[fiery perch]

That's why options are important, and that's the main thing. More options are helpful, important, and not only helps those with Accessibility needs, but also just help those who may prefer it.

[dry swift]

Hello, me again! Does anyone else here play multiple games at the same time and would wish we could have a "return to character screen" option for this game so that we could focus on other games while waiting on our crops to grow; or is it just me? 😭

[vagrant star]

I see, thank you a lot! 1-click-stuff really would be helpful in some spots, I see how fishing especially can be hard.

[somber crag]

What multiple games do you play? 👀

[sharp ferry]

At least for minecraft, I had to buy a whole new monitor cause even with the brightness at max, it was super dark for me. My monitor itself wouldn't go past a certain light level. Heaven forbid I played ark survival, I got eaten a lot by clever girl dinos because I couldn't see them in full brightness in game and full brightness on the monitor xD lol

[bitter hill]

If I was confident my computer wouldn't implode if I tried to run ffxiv and palia simultaneously, I totally would.

[woeful dust]

Stardew in one tab, dreamlight valley in another tab, palia in a third tab, coral island in another tab...

[dry swift]

I know they're totally different games, but it depends on my mood that day. Somedays it's Oldschool Runescape, others it's Helldivers 2 or Slay the Spire.

[untold sluice]

Yeah I always just mainline 1 cozy game as my "main" and the rest are just flavor of the month stuff or art games

[somber crag]

For real?? Hoooly... y'all are built different. Min-maxing games. Maybe I've been doing it wrong.

[woeful dust]

It'd my dream to fish in ffxiv and palia and ddlv at the same time

[bitter hill]

The adhd wont allow me to rest lmao

[fiery perch]

You telling me that you weren't playing vrising with another game on the side??? /joking

[somber crag]

See, my ADHD has me in that paralyzed phase... where all I keep doing is opening games, staring at them, and closing.

[dry swift]

If Palia wasn't so demanding on some systems, it would almost be the perfect tablet game. But I have 4 monitors up at once usually 😄 It's a great "Set it and forget it" kind of game; not that that's a bad thing at all.

[somber crag]

LOL, I was fully locked into V Rising, actually.

[sharp ferry]

I feel the vibrations xD

[bitter hill]

Oh that's the worst. I am hoping to get a depression med change so that happens to me less

[somber crag]

Let me know if you have any luck. ❤️

[fiery perch]

So was I. It was one of the few games that has done that. Usually I'm multitasking.

I actually used to bring up an idea for Palia, tbh, because of this, before it released on switch. Where there could be a to-do list you can edit, alter, etc, so you can hopefully have a "list" of what you need to do or focus on. Since, I'm sure I'm not the only one, I would just run around with no purpose bc I would forget why I went to Bahari Bay.

[woeful dust]

Love RS for that

[somber crag]

And again, thank y'all for having accessibility discussions and engaging in conversation that helps educate players. I really do like seeing it. I know it can get heated sometimes, but I do think we're all coming from a passionate place.

[sharp ferry]

Minecraft in one screen, palia in another and animal crossing on the switch

[somber crag]

I LOVE TO-DO LISTS IN GAME.

[bitter hill]

A checkable list for the bundles would go so hard. I walk out of the vault and my brain IMMEDIATELY etchasketches. (I use a google sheet to keep track, but a bundle tracker ala stardew valley would be siiick)

[sharp ferry]

Building and resources, and animals for meeeee

[fiery perch]

It's something I've wanted for ages, but now since it's on switch... I don't see how it could be feasible or programmed/implemented.

They're sooo helpful. I also just loved the idea of having your own little "notebook" in the game. It felt fitting, esp for the ... what's the word .. um.. environment??? like, the game setting?? it just feels like it'd fit in the "world" to have a little notebook to write things down.

If it was just a list or even tooltips to show what is needed in bundles, etc, that'd help a lot, too-- i agree

[woeful dust]

Is palia mod friendly? Other mmo's have list mods

[vagrant star]

Could still be an option in the menu...

[somber crag]

I'mma direct you to look at the pinned message in this channel. ❤️
Right here: #💬│palia-discussions message

[sharp ferry]

Palia on switch is... interesting. I still prefer PC because I don't have the freedom of movement to be detail particular when decorating and it drives me batty.

[dry swift]

I'd love a To-do list system in Palia. I thought a Bingo card system for community-run bingo events would be nice too. A Bingo event where players have to check off tiles on their card by collecting certain starred fish/bugs/foragables, etc.

[fiery perch]

Anner beat me to it ... mainly because i was trying to word it

[woeful dust]

Oh yeah THAT whole thing xD

[somber crag]

I was playing Cozy Grove the other day and they don't have a quest log yet... it's made it so hard for me to get into the gameeee.. soon. ™️

[fiery perch]

And now I know to let this game "cook" for a bit before I look into it properly

[woeful dust]

Palia on Switch for grinding pal and fishing while I watch TV. Palia on computer for decorating

[dry swift]

Why are there so many great video games now and so little time to play them? 😭

[somber crag]

They've plugged it into their roadmap, so it'll be there eventually (hopefully). But yeaaaah... it made it so hard for me, especially if you're prone to going off in 340934 directions while playing questing games.

[sharp ferry]

Agree

[somber crag]

Oooh, maybe that's the strat.

[dry swift]

Palia could definitely benefit a lot from 3rd party programs. I could see a quest helper being used for players that don't want to use the wiki.

[bitter hill]

I only play palia on my switch when my body hurts and I have to be in bed. And then I just garden and grind resources until I can get back to my beloved desktop

[woeful dust]

I got a gooseneck stand that I put my switch on so I can lay flat on my back in bed while I play palia. Definitely recommend

[sharp ferry]

Literally me right now xD to many spoons to move the sore body into the big room with the big light and the loud noise. So heated blanket and switch with low light

[bitter hill]

OH snaaaap. You're a GAMER, and I have nothing but infinite respect for you.

[dry swift]

If I played video games in bed, my wife would most definitely put a pillow over my face 😄

[bitter hill]

And sometimes the cat wants to lay on me while I play and who am I to deny the queen her desires, you know?

[woeful dust]

You gotta get one if you can, they're a real game changer (pun intended)

[sharp ferry]

I have 3 when the blankets on, the bestest

[bitter hill]

I am going to step away for a while (the food in the kitchen beckons me). Hope you guys have a good one!

[sharp ferry]

Do we have a share pets thread?

[woeful dust]

If we overthrow anner, this can be the pet thread 😄

[somber crag]

I don't THINK SOOOO... but you're more than welcome to flood #💬│off-topic-chat with them. c:

I would love to see some pets.

[sharp ferry]

~has concern~

[pearl wave]

s6 for the love of goodness, do another hotfix and fix the requests.

i can't even requests and when i restarted, its not showing me items to request now

[vagrant star]

That sounds bad... Did you do the usual checking time is synced etc?

[pearl wave]

irriated venting atm...

[worn basalt]

So zero hotfix notes? no mention of what was done? as usual, nada?

[pearl wave]

what huh?

[fiery perch]

"Issues Fixed:
Players should see a much reduced incidence of an “Attempting to reconnect to chat…” message in the text chat.
Players should now be able to complete the Fruits of the Earth bundle in Vault of the Roots.
Tish will now stick around longer when chatting with her while she is walking around Kilima. "

this is what they said is fixed.

[worn basalt]

Where did the post that? i checked their website

[fiery perch]

#📢│palia-news message

[woeful dust]

I was so excited to finished the root vault after this hotfix, I got on palia discord instead of playing 😅

[worn basalt]

So.. I still can't decorate, what is a few months after all.

[fiery perch]

And it's under: https://palia.com/news/patch-180#hotfix1

[vagrant star]

I don't know the details of it, but I heard that if your time isn't synced to the actual time, it can cause problems for requests and chat. Sorry if I misunderstood something...

[fiery perch]

Are you playing on switch?

[pearl wave]

no x.x

!support

[opal cypress]

Oh hai there!
If you seek Player Support, you need only answer these riddles three...

Wait, actually, you just need to click this link.
http://support.palia.com/

And you can then submit a ticket to our sparkly, mesmerizing PS portal, which is open Monday - Sunday, 9am-5pm PST. Operators are standing by!

[worn basalt]

No wonder I didnt see it. I was looking for the patch notes for 0.180.1 . I did not think they would add it to a previous patches.

[pearl wave]

nvm i give up with all of this bs happening 😭

[fiery perch]

Then the time synced, etc, wouldn't affect. Cuz that's usually a switch-related issue. ((just wanting to give context as to why the time synced is usually something brought up))

Hope it gets fixed soon though!

[modern rock]

it kind of sounds like the old achievements blackout bug where the game would forget which items you've acquired, that affected requests too

[worn basalt]

well, i will come back when they do more updates and see if they finally fix this major issue some of us are having. have fun all./

[pearl wave]

no...

when i try to request something, its not showing me items to request anything

i submitted an issue o.o..

[soft burrow]

hopefully it gets fixed soon for you, it sounds like an annoying bug

[pearl wave]

it isss, it's seem to be affecting few of us

[iron bison]

Why the 👎👎?

[vagrant star]

Bug, I guess.

[pearl wave]

its being broken left and right lmao

[polar elbow]

Okay, real question here, is anyone else having severe connection/lag issues or is it just my internet? I cant tell because everything else on my end seems to be working fine

[odd lotus]

Is it just me or was this repair platform not here before?

[vagrant star]

There was one with a repair platform, I don't know from your picture if it's this or another one though.

[fiery perch]

I'll load it up and run around for a bit and see if i get any issues

[woeful dust]

I'm obsessed with finding all the tiny changes they make to the world in patches. Love the wonky bridge hole patch they did

[untold sluice]

That's been there since day one

[odd lotus]

im just hallucinating then

[untold sluice]

They did add flowers to it for Spring until they yeet'd all the spring decor because it was bugged

But I also just didn't like their use of the rose bush, did not look good imo. Felt like just a random bush was slapped onto a random spot and not really like garland which is basically what they were using it for.

[sudden bay]

Me too. I noticed that the lights outside the sewar and along the coast are a pretty baby blue. I wonder if those are going to be released at the next Maji Market.

[woeful dust]

Oh gosh I didn't notice blue lights

[fiery perch]

Update:: Things seem fine on my end-- other than the bug/issue still, where i open my friends list and the game starts lagging/slowing/etc lol. But it seems to be running okay other than that.

[polar elbow]

alright it's probably my net then, thanks for checking

[fiery perch]

Of course, anytime. I hope the net gets better though. I was having issues myself last night

[woeful dust]

I've been getting a weird bug since the hotfix where my switch game crashes and the screen looks like the matrix 😄

[lyric night]

did u equip the toolskin for every tool in ur collection?

its not u can mix and match toolskins that way

[fiery perch]

Some people might end up buying other ones, and want to mix and match. I think it's fine imo

[languid saddle]

Hi! I was wondering if there's a channel where I can find in game communities to join? 🙂

[little spade]

#1135682474324807681

[carmine flume]

Am I the only one that just lost the ability to use their glider? It's stating I have yet to unlock it!

[hollow crescent]

did you see if it was unequipped? i seen it do that a few times for some check your inventory or quest inventory idk which it goes in

[carmine flume]

It's equipped. i just brought a new one a couple of days ago!

[bright ledge]

bought like.. a glider skin?

[hollow crescent]

maybe relaunch the game? if it still says you don’t have one maybe it’s a bug? unless you didn’t get the glider itself yet quest wise?

[carmine flume]

yes

[hollow crescent]

so you did the quest for it? then yea i’d do a relaunch and see if it comes back

[carmine flume]

i've been using the glider since i purchased it. i will try relogging.

I was a beta tester for Palia. I've been doing this a longggg time

[hollow crescent]

maybe you need to reequip the skin for it? i think that’s under collections

i’m not on atm so i can’t check

[brisk spruce]

the game is still in beta, technically everyone here is a beta tester

[carmine flume]

yes, that true. i mean I was selected as a tester when the game first started.

[woeful dust]

This is why I make sure to take Beta-keratin supplements

[carmine flume]

Yeah...its a bug. i can't use my glider.

[carmine flume]

LOL

[modern rock]

can you check if it's equipped in your inventory? the wardrobe is only for equipping glider skins not the glider itself, sometimes it seems like people's gliders get unequipped somehow but they find the glider in their inventory or their home storage

[bright ledge]

the inventory icon for the glider is really derpy

[proven veldt]

Just remembered this guy existed and had to watch him dance

[carmine flume]

yes, it's equipped. but it says "complete like a bird" is locked.

It is not equipped. only the new skin is equipped now.

[bright ledge]

if you did the quest already you need to ticket abt it https://support.palia.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[carmine flume]

i did the quest back in october...i believe...

maybe earlier. i forget. lol

[modern rock]

wait so is it equipped or is it not equipped lol

[carmine flume]

the glider itself is not equipped. the new skin I purchased is still equipped.

[bright ledge]

try unequip skin, then right click glider and equip?

[carmine flume]

it's won't let me unequip the skin.

[fiery perch]

So it's not equipped here?

And have you checked your inventory and storage, ot see if that item could be in the inventory somewhere? (Just to double check).

Just wanting to make sure & understand, so apologies if it seems like going back and forth.

[carmine flume]

It's in my inventory...but i relog by accident. logging back in now.

THANKS! That has never happened to me before. it's re-equipped it in it's slot.

[fiery perch]

Yep! no worries. Glad it's workin' out and stuff now!

[noble eagle]

Heya guys, gals & Non binary pals,
I was wondering what the premium store is like? Is it worth spending? I've been so tempted. What are your thoughts? 😊

[fossil spindle]

Too expensive by a factor of three, I think, and not enough customization options for the insanely steep prices on the actually attractive outfits.

[untold sluice]

Idk, if you spend enough time in game to feel as though you got your value? I think it's a bit of a shame you get very few options.

I personally have like 3 outfits that I mix and match into the standard stuff but avoid the premium stuff as it's not really my thing and some glowy effects (that frankly clash with the game, imo) aren't worth the cost. I've played at this point several hundred hours and feel the game is worth what I would normally pay for a full price game as far as the enjoyment I've gotten from it, so I've capped out there. Waiting till we see a new profession or map before I contemplate spending more

You can also go with one of the ACTUAL bundle outfit sales to get a few options for less but, imo, until they actual have regular outfit discounts at sales windows I doubt they will make much funding. The buy in wall to start is just too high. Also the only real sale they've had is the Anniversary bundle which is um...meh. I think it gets you a hat though

I think if you see one of the more mundane outfits that are lower in price it's ok, I'd focus on one with a hat but again...not till you've played enough to feel as though the dollar amount is worth it because it's a F2P game

Sadly the actual outfits aren't worth the cost, but it's nice to pay for the service you are enjoying if you are enjoying it. They'd need to, I agree with Roland here, to cut down outfit costs by a third....if they want to do that through regular sales and boutique deals windows? Sure. New outfits are premium cost and then they fade down more into the sales window that cuts them down by 50-75% down the line for the regular people who aren't willing to drop 20 bucks for 3 items all of which they may not even like.

I'd think they'd make a LOT more money that way and it would help with player retention. Imo the current initial buyin is a dealbreaker so they aren't ever going to open their wallets.

[lucid hornet]

Always depends on how much u play(ed).
In the end its just a skin.

Pricing is (obviously) a big discussion point, but while I think they should be cheaper or at the very least separated into more parts (splitting shoes, accessories, …) it’s not like they are really steeper priced than other games.

[untold sluice]

Yeah, I mean, agreed. I think overall the industry focuses on whales and then act pikachu shocked that the vast majority of players never spend a dime

The problem is you can get whales only from big volume legacy games with lots of prestige and players that make whales feel like they can dump thousands into a game and feel rewarded.

But this game is just not remotely there yet.

[lucid hornet]

Well, guess it just works. A premium skin in Valorant (Riot) costs between 17,50-23,50€ and needs to be upgraded with a insanely expensive 2nd coin or you get it from grinding the 10€ battle pass.
In LoL they literally added a 500$ skin.

The 17€-25€ price point for a more premium skins seems to be some sort of sweetspot atm.

While prestige maybe a good reason to buy, most people i know just buy a skin bcs they like it. Sure they wont pay 25€ for a skin that’s just „okay“, but people have different tastes.

Like I said the pricing is a quite big topic, and I also think they would make more money if they would be cheaper (wouldn’t say 1/3, but still).

A big selling point for me would be better seperation and the ability to buy just parts of a outfit (even when its more expensive to buy every part piece by piece). I am not buying a 17€ outfit to only ever use the hat.

[woeful dust]

I buy to support the game. I would be paying 15$ a month subscribed to ffxiv, but I'm playing palia right now instead, so I spend $15 in palia a Month and I get a cute bonus outfit or two ❤️

[sudden bay]

The store is there forextra customizations. No one here can tell you if the value is good for you or not. Look at the outfits and decide whether or not the money you spend will make your game more enjoyable. Of course there is no need to spend any money at all. I have 3 outfits, a couple glider skins and one of the tool skins. The value I got for the money I feel was worth it. Put aside all the opinions of everyone and decide whether its worth it to you or not. For a lot of people it isn't however, I see most people running around in costumes so it must be worth it to a lot of people.

[hoary prawn]

Buy if you like the outfits & support the game’s longevity if you enjoy playing the game. No need to compare yourself with others. Just like irl, there’re ppl like to buy Gucci or LV and there’re also ppl just want to wear simple normal outfits. There’s no wrong or right. Palia is a free to play game, not pay to win game. Remember at the end of the day, ppl judge you by how you play, not how you dress.

[untold sluice]

Yeah I just meant by "prestige" I mean games exactly like LoL where the game has been around ages, has a massive following, and therefor you can assume your purchases will last years if not decades into the game's future. Not to mention you'll have a large body of people to play with and communities to interact with.

With smaller games like Palia it's harder to make that same claim and it's hard enough, currently, to get other people to play with you that normally like this style of game because it's a beta, it's buggy, and it lacks content that other genre titles have.

So when they see 25 dollar outfits that don't even get you all the fix'ns you wonder is this going to ever really justify that? You hope it does but it feels a bit more like a gamble. At least for me. I buy personally because I want to support games like this because there aren't that many at this scale and DDV is money scam in comparison. I just think the pricing is scaring away more money and customers than it will earn in sales that way.

[dense kayak]

My game crashed right as I finished the “Your order is served” quest. Like - didn’t get to see the cut scene crashed 😭 is there something I’m supposed to do next? The quest was completed but I don’t see a next quest or anything… or the lady from the order ???

Has this happened to anyone else? I don’t really need “quest” help as I finished the quest itself. More like… was there something next? Or do I just wait?

[spark pawn]

I didn’t crash but what happens next is ||eshe will send you some mail ( you must be in game at 6am or 6pm game time) and that will start the “Extravagant Expectations” quest ||

[heavy flint]

i have a question on how the refer a friend works?
i think this would go here? if not im sorry
ik its meant to be when you have a friend make an account, but, can you redeam those codes after you make an account already? like, example, you've been playing for a while but your friend just joined, can you redeam their refer a friend?

[soft burrow]

it can only be done before you make the account

[dense kayak]

Thank you! I got off for the night because well uhhh it’s almost 1AM 🤣 but when I loaded the game back up after the crash and didn’t have anything to continue from I wasn’t sure if it was just a delay or if something went wrong with the crash 😅🤣

Appreciate the info! 💜💜

[radiant fable]

Im curious.. Can we build a two-story house? Since the NPC also has a double-story house.

[untold sluice]

No, we can build a library looking building with a loft

but you can't do an actual second story in the more practical sense

Hopefully it's a precursor asset to them working towards that system.

Would love to be able to have any building connected to a Grand Harvest House allowed to add another floor with a construction cost

[polar elbow]

To add to my thoughts on the premium store.... high prices aside, the lack of color options is a huge deal-breaker for me. I'm very much the sort of person who loves to mix and match, but the color choices offered for most of the premium outfits... don't really lend themselves well to mixing and matching tastefully imho
like.... I might be willing to pay the $20 or whatever for an outfit IF I knew I would be able to color-match it to any other outfits I got in the future. But the color options are so limited, that often times the only thing a piece matches well with is its own set.

[polar elbow]

Other times, I really like an outfit.... but the version I like doesn't have the color I want, while the version that does have the color I want.... has some weird patterning like plaid or floral print that I DON'T want. >>
Or I might really like the pants on an outfit, and want to wear it with a specific top.... but oops the pants I like are on an outfit that has the pants and top as the same piece, and can't be separated, so I can't use the part I want anyways. >>

[dire kraken]

i’m really irked by the fact that we can get the same quest item from the same location even after we’ve already completed the quest. which means it’s basically useless and sitting in our quest inventory. i got another bahari boyz record from the kilima pile and i’ve already done the quest, that’s even worse than the 5 wood that i can actually use

[hollow crescent]

yea i got an odd box today and thought it was something new and turns out it was a quest i already did :/ even the ones that you pick up on the ground are a little annoying cuz i gotta try not to hunt anything near those spots or i might pick it up

[swift storm]

are we ever gonna get a way to rewatch cutscenes

[vagrant star]

I agree, it's a bit annoying, I'd love it if we could redo the quests that way though...

[sick goblet]

whats the best focus food now?

[mossy jetty]

I like stuffed cabbage rolls because I always have ingredients to make them but I've seen people mention tomato soup, chili oil dumplings and petit fives

[leaden bolt]

I need good farm layouts pls pls pls

[swift token]

https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1160984775025250364

✨️✨️✨️

[dry swift]

PSA: Today's flotsam is at G7.

[honest scarab]

So what's with the overly large stand up collars and long flowing capes/drapes aesthetic in the premium clothes in this game? Is this something people really want their characters to wear? To me it looks like everyone is being swallowed up by their outfits. The clothes are wearing the people not the other way around. I think it's just a way to add another element to the $$ outfits to make it seem like we're getting something special for all our money.

[vagrant star]

Not sure... So far, all of my feedback regarding what items I'd love to see in the premium store didn't appear in the acutal items.
Personally, at least some of them I think are really nice, just not my style, and others I'm not sure anyone would wear. However, I've seen players many different clothes in the game so I'd assume at least that the current offerings are not completely unwanted.

[dry swift]

Bought the plague doctor outfit and never felt the need to buy anything since lol

[daring ginkgo]

Has there ever been any discussion on mounts for the game?

[signal kayak]

honestly? imho, a lot of the premium clothes don't look right as in they don't look like they belong to the world of palia as we know it. the areas that we have access to all of the npcs wear things like tunics or simple clothing. subira wears a bit more interesting clothes but still maintain that basic tunic design if that makes sense. seeing things like the ballroom gowns just don't make much sense for hunting, fishing or bug catching. idk, maybe it's just me

[elder snow]

As a guy there's a total of two outfits I even like, everything else is kinda trash, you'd think as their only source of income they would try harder.

[polar elbow]

I got the infiltrator outfit way back in the first week of palia. Haven't bought anything else since, for more than a few reasons (I don't plan to buy anything else until F2P get some earnable options, for one) but... IDK if its just me, but a huge proportion of the outfits in this game feel like they have eastern-style clothing vibes for me and that is... not a style I'm after at all lol

[dry swift]

And let's all be honest here, hot dog outfit is the meta anyways.

[polar elbow]

also for the love of the dragon please make the fancy effects/floating lanterns/etc their own wardrobe slot instead of tying them to the top which WILL ruin that top for me 99% of the time

[vagrant star]

That'd really be nice!

[untold sluice]

Shoes, effects, and gloves need to be their own variable slot that is allowed to be swapped if nothing is affecting the model. Like if Im wearing short shorts I better be able to wear whatever shoes I want.

Just feels like the value proposition could be much higher for the same price

[lucid hornet]

add 1-2 accessories slots to that, for the random stuff like bags. ._.

[polar elbow]

Exactly my point. All these little limitations that restrict customization drastically bring down my perceived value of the items in question, to the point where, even if I could afford to buy them, I don't even want to 😔

[vagrant star]

Similar here... Whether I have the money for buying something doesn't even matter, since none of the options really are something I'd like.

[mortal maple]

Some of the outfit effects are really annoying to be around when trying to bug catch or hunt. :/

[vagrant star]

That, and I also heard for some people it's an accessibility issue with the flashy ones...

[untold sluice]

Bags would be tougher but I really think we should just get to choose to deal with the fact some outfits dont have straps and the bag just would float...and I think that's fine

[lucid hornet]

nothing is perfect, even some their one part outfits are glitching inside the bodies, who cares about missing straps

[polar elbow]

back to those color limitations... I got the infiltrator outfit because it was one of the only options in the game that let me pick red + black as a color option, and it actually being red+black, instead of red+purple or something like that
....it's still one of the only options that allows red+black. and the few other options that do, usually have some extra color thrown in that makes it impossible to match with the infiltrator outfit's pieces anyways lmao

[vagrant star]

Have you seen the tails of the Palcat outfit in-game? They're everywhere but where they should be!

[spark pawn]

I was trying to play hotpot and three people had those tails on it was nightmare in that small area

[lucid hornet]

yeah the Femme Fatale cape also is 50% of the time in front of the character

also do I need to understand why the hairstyle is only included in one of the 3 variations of the new outfit?

[mortal maple]

Yep. Personally, it's a distraction and does not help w/ migraines either.

[vagrant star]

Which one? Also, I think that sounds like a bug...

[fiery perch]

It's overstimulating 100%. It'd be nice if it was just a feature altogether to be able to disable them, like a toggle, for those who want to. Like an option, "Show visual effects from outfits? On/Only Yours/Off"

[lucid hornet]

see the pieces on the left

[vagrant star]

Or if that's too detailed to include, "show flashy visual effects in general?"...

[fiery perch]

I'm going to assume that's a bug/glitch. Their cashshop has been getting more and more buggy lately, I've noticed. 😓

[vagrant star]

There are more options in the wardrobe, it 100% sounds like a bug.

[fiery perch]

This is where I was really hoping the new "effect" slider/option they added, was going to help. But instead, at least for me, if I turn that to "low" it makes some flashy/visuals more bright. ... that and it doesn't change/alter clothing visuals anyways...

[mortal maple]

Hm, someone else just shared an image for that problem, too. #💬│palia-general message

[vagrant star]

Seems like it's broken... Sorry to hear it's making things worse for you.

[lucid hornet]

huh, didnt check the wardrobe, yeah then its pretty sure a bug.

[fiery perch]

Genuinely was moreso hoping it would of helped w/ outfits. (I realized after re-reading the tooltip it wasn't for that, but still). It was just something I ended up noticing/realizing when I was testing settings to see what's better, etc etc, in general for accessibility reasons haha

[fiery perch]

Can't use 2 of the hairs even when you buy it though. (as NonBinaryNyan linked!). Def a bug/glitch on their end, that is causing people not able to use things they purchased.

[lucid hornet]

guess thats the 2 hairs which should be in the other variants 🤣

[fiery perch]

Hopefully it gets fixed soon, etc, esp since people have already purchased them

[lucid hornet]

to be fair, they got what the shop showed them
still something like that shouldn't happen, i guess even if they can fix it in the shop without a hotfix, the people which already bought it will need to wait for support..

[visual tide]

I'm looking for info on sashimi prices - does anyone have a recent spreadsheet?

[elfin kernel]

soo, what would e the best thing to sell? fish, food bugs? Kinda need money to buy new recipes for better tools xdd

[dry swift]

Gardening is usually your best friend once you unlock apples

Until then, fishing and bug catching are pretty solid. Usually gardening and food go hand-in-hand if you're looking to do cake parties once your cooking is high enough and you have a good enough supply of apples/berries/sweet leaf, etc.

[soft burrow]

two of them did, yes! spice trader and butterfly one

[dry swift]

How very silly

I know that this seems to get mentioned a lot, but there does seem to be a pretty big lack of masculine outfits.

[lucid hornet]

u dont want to wear a dress? 🙀

[dry swift]

lol listen I'm all for people of all identities dressing how they want 😄 but more masculine options would also be appreciated too xD

Either that or more food costumes. When am I going to be able to dress up like a taco or a cup o noodles?

[soft burrow]

put a bow and arrow on your dress and then you'll be masc as heck LOL (im being silly)

[dry swift]

Even one of those blow-up muscle suits would be pretty hilarious for both male and female models.

[lucid hornet]

to be fair, a lot of the less masculine ones are adapted really for the masculine body, props to them for that.
but ofc you are right, masculine outfits are lacking.

[soft burrow]

i think more "cowboy" and d"sheriff" type outfits would be nice for masc bodies considering the family farm

that's what i would like to see change too. especially for pieces like femme fatale that take up all the slots

[dry swift]

I want badruu's hat

[lucid hornet]

at least let me take off that "hat"

[dry swift]

This game needs like, 50x more hats than it currently has.

[soft burrow]

that would actually legit be adorable. or a cute fisherman outfit to match einar

i just really don't' like the hood lol

being able to toggle the special effects is a huge want

[dry swift]

I mean, some good points that have been made here is that 1.) Other players should be able to toggle costume effects off. 2.) Costume effects should be their own category and shouldn't be tied to tops. 3.) We should have the option to buy more color pallet options or at least customize the colors on outifts 4.) And their should be free cosmetics. Heck, even lock it behind level 5 friendship/relationship quests. I'm so tired of getting boring generic gold/item rewards from quests.

[night crescent]

more palia themed clothes would be cute. outfits for lounging, cooking, gardening, etc. just less random costumes

[soft burrow]

i could even see them making a skill for dyes

[torpid pollen]

good time zone everyone!

[dry swift]

Also, they could always introduce things like overrides for our mailbox/delivery box.

I don't get why customizable color swatches aren't a thing when costumes and cosmetics are their only way to make money xD

[night crescent]

it feels like we get overlooked because they are simply too busy doing a million other things

[dry swift]

Could always send in a feedback form on their site with your ideas. I swear I do 1 a week now so hopefully they're either reading them or they're keeping the furnace going.

[fiery perch]

Delayed response bc Autism had me suddenly distracted::

Still would love a quest chain that involves both Jel & Tish. Where the quests end up linking together, and you explore moreso with their personalities, how they interact with eachother, helping with Jel's self confidence, etc. Itd be nice. Could be involved with foraging, or even fishing (Roan said something w/ that before, that i thought was a good concept. Can't remember it word for word rn though)

Seeing Jel & tish figuring out what works best for clothes, and furniture.

[lucid hornet]

not an excuse for the outfits, a lot got outsourced anyway

[soft burrow]

yes! i think that would be so good and is why i would introduce a dye skill. have it so the dye can do both furniture and clothes. that way it involves both jel and tish 😄

[night crescent]

i completely get that. thats why i said i think they are genuinely just busy. but unfortunately being busy and having less staff can mean your fans feel left out. i think if they made a big statement about the state of the game and the future of their game, it would help a lot

[night crescent]

im gonna have to do that

[fiery perch]

Yep! And it'd also help Jel have more of a "purpose" than being the mascot for the Cash-Shop haha!

[soft burrow]

a lot of people have at least wanted a roadmap to keep an eye on

[night crescent]

i just dont know where the state of the game is. i think for the fans it could be beneficial in keeping them around and playing the game

[dry swift]

Every time I send one of those forms in I always beg for a roadmap. I'm sure a majority of the players would love to know what to expect.

[soft burrow]

yeah i think a lot of people have left over the no communication

[dry swift]

Sometimes it feels like this is a great game made by devs who know how to code a great game and nothing else. They don't know how to market, manage money, etc. They can only make a good game 😭

[night crescent]

im not too hopeful at this point since ive been playing since august but i would say i hope they find their footing and fast because i like this game a lot but idk how much more i can handle

[night crescent]

im not surprised. i find myself wanting to do the same thing. but i simultaneously love this game and wish for its success

[soft burrow]

yeah that's how i feel too. i really love a lot of what the game has to offer like the characters, the stories, etc. i want to see where it all goes

[night crescent]

me too. im genuinely invested in the characters, story, gameplay etc. we can only wish for the best

[soft burrow]

i've been here since august 2023, so i'm pretty much tied to the sinking boat LOL

[spark pawn]

Same save me room on the last lifeboat out

[dry swift]

Not to compare this game to OSRS too much, but for its lack of graphics I swear OSRS is the golden standard of what an MMO should be. They have a player polling system to vote on future updates to the game, they have a subscription based model that can be paid for with ingame gold. The devs regularly stream/upload to YT with their roadmap and they always hit their goal in a reasonable amount of time AND they listen to player feedback and fight Jagex's execs whenever they try to do something the player base doesn't like. Game definitely has its own flaws, but I feel like a lot of modern games could learn from their example.

[fiery perch]

we can have one together i promise i can definitely row a rowboat... mhm ... don't look at how i play Sea of Thieves and try to control rowboats there ...

[spark pawn]

Sorry the rowboat is bugged hotfix soon maybe idk

[dry swift]

Oh no! They broke climbing again and I can't get in the rowboat.

[fiery perch]

this has me cackling because this can be a reference to Sea of Thieves too, since rowboats on there are bugged so often

[lucid hornet]

just escape by muujin, should be high enough to fly to the next safe place

[dry swift]

Sometimes I wonder if part of the problem for lofty games like this is that they only cover a very niche group of players, and the game market is oversaturated as is.

[lucid hornet]

palia had a pretty good spot, not like theres another "MMO" cozy game, they just rushed the release, I guess because they needed ROI.

[dry swift]

See though, that's why I don't get their business model. Cosmetics-only premium shop is definitely the moral high-ground of business models, but MMOs are giga-expensive to make and keep going.

What big investor would look at a game whose only income is through a cosmetics shop and be like "Yep, seems good to me! Here is $5 million dollaridoos!"

[lucid hornet]

they got a lot more. LOL

cosmetics only works pretty good, just if you miss a lot of stuff bcs you rush.. well..
asking anyone about the skins most will tell you they want to select the color, they want to mix and match, they want it to be seperated into more parts, and we are just touching the basics here.

[mortal maple]

I just continue to be baffled that Palia makes my computer run harder than Final Fantasy XIV. It doesn't seem like it should.

[lucid hornet]

welcome to Unreal Engine 5..

[dry swift]

Sorry, there are some stowaway Chapaas in the game engine.

[lucid hornet]

even the example projects will attempt to fry your computer

[mortal maple]

Oof, so Unreal Engine 5 is just a very inefficient language/engine?

[dry swift]

That's it though, maybe the cosmetics store would work if there were more options for coloring/customization but even that seems half-baked 😦

I love this game and want it to succeed but I wonder what the mindset is for the people making the decisions for this game going forward.

[lucid hornet]

tbf, i only played around with it, i really cant tell you how much one can optimize from the example/starter projects
but iirc I had about 600fps in unreal 4, while max 300fps in unreal 5, basically same example project.

[mortal maple]

o.O

[dry swift]

600fps? Are you sure you weren't playing real life?

[soft burrow]

600 fps would blow up my house

[lucid hornet]

well, a empty world with one character and 4 boxes isn't really hard to run 😂

[dry swift]

I guess whether the game succeeds or not we're all along for the ride. I'll still love this game either way.

[night crescent]

this.

[dry swift]

Sometimes bad games are successful, sometimes good games fail. That's just the nature of business.

On a more important note, we should have disco floors. with the option to turn them off for players with epilepsy, ofc

[fiery perch]

not my dyslexia having me read "floors" as "flavours" ... i was so confused

[mortal maple]

Not the illicit substances option

[dry swift]

I'm now trying to imagine what disco tastes like. Thanks for that thought

[fiery perch]

HAHA you're welcome

[mortal maple]

^ that edited addition needed a full size emoji reaction.
But the last time I tried to use hashtags to make a bigger emote within text it got autodeleted.

Testing to see if it still does...

Come to think of it, I might have actually put text in the heading hashtag code thing too, not just emoji. But it literally deleted so fast I barely saw the post go up. I guess automod has either been adjusted, or is more chill about a single emote.

[lucid hornet]

Make sure to phrase that more exactly, if not the button to enable and disable maybe shared like the lights.
Remembers me of the randoms constantly putting the lights on and off on cakeparties..

[dry swift]

I just want our characters to be able to have dance parties with house music. 😄

Why give us all these flashy costumes and cosmetics if we can't even dance with them?

[soft burrow]

every day of my life, i yearn for a dancing emote

[lucid hornet]

Not sure if i want to see what happens with the palcat outfits tail while dancing

[dry swift]

idk why I remembered just now that I've been seeing the palcat tail models stretching from Kilima to Bahari 😭

I never realized palcats had the powers of Mr. Fantastic.

[soft burrow]

i forgot about the tail lmao

oh man, the tail flapping around would probably be a legit flashing hazard

[dry swift]

I just keep coping that one day S6 will give us a hot pot game we can put on our plot, and animal husbandry, and more variations of arcade games 😦

[brisk spruce]

did someone say animals 👀

[pearl wave]

well now they removed that outfit secretly x.x (i don't see it in shop)

where did the butterfly outfit went?

[fiery perch]

probably removed so they can fix the bug that resulted in not getting hairstyles that were meant for 2 of the outfits

[pearl wave]

alright

im so confused why they can't released that hairstyle to hairstyles and not associated with new outfits..

[fiery perch]

Hopefully it gets fixed soon and it isnt that much of a struggle to fix it for ppl who already bought them

[pearl wave]

its back in the shop now, but im still disappointed that hairstyle is not with the hairstyle area too

like when u changes hairstyles, i really like that hair thing

unless im blind

[dry swift]

I think I get what you mean. It would be cool if hairstyles were their own separate part of the outfit. But spaghetti code >_<

[pearl wave]

we want itttt LOL

[pearl wave]

I told myself that if I can hold off buying premium stuffs (my own personal preference) until I get paid next month, I'll be ok still with leftover money after rent and spoil (1 thing) each time I see something new comes.

[plush plank]

@pearl wave the hairstyles are under hats.

[pearl wave]

OHH IT IS

but i think u will have to buy it alongside outfit..

[plush plank]

@pearl wave yes, you do...but at least they have fixed it so it comes with each outfit.

[sudden bay]

Has anyone had an issue chopping flow trees down on your lot where it won't let you?

[ripe kelp]

Anyone know how to fix "attempting to reconnect to chat...[invalid state]" on steam?

[timid void]

chaga de skins com papete! queremos salto!

[meager igloo]

did you ever figure this out? its happening to me right now

[fiery perch]

Check your inventory and storage, to see if it got unequipped there. You should be able to right click (if on pc, idk what it is on switch) to equip it again via inventory/character screen

Sending this just to show the thumbnail/icon for the glider. Makes it easier to find (for me at least).

[meager igloo]

thank you ! i see it in my pocket. just fixed it

[flint dagger]

Is it best to catch the plushies with the 1/1000 drop rates on your own or would being with a group help?

[blissful sable]

No idea. I have been going alone and have 6 plushies so far

[honest scarab]

Hunting with a group and moving fast chopping trees got me 8 muujin plushies in 3 days. I’ve nabbed 5 on my own since they were introduced but it took me many more hunting hours than the group hunts

[flint dagger]

Interesting. I’ve been at the Elder Sernuk & the Basic Muujin for around 4 days now and I’m about to throw in the towel.

[honest scarab]

Oh and party hunting ladybugs is the only way to go since each person picking a plant is another chance for a bug from one plant

[honest scarab]

It’s all RNG so everyone’s mileage varies. I didn’t get my first muujin until 1 week of constant grinding- hours every day. I was very discouraged. To get my first reg sernuk plush I hunted at least 1500 (I started counting after a while)

[flint dagger]

Yeah, it can be very discouraging. I’m about close to just throw out the bat signal to see if my pleads for help will be answered.

[honest scarab]

I understand and have been where you are. I posted my frustration here and people recommended I find a group to hunt with in #1143270926394335282 I did and I finally found my muujin hunting groove. I’ve also spontaneously joined hunting parties but some are more welcoming than others. If they don’t seem interested in my help I move on

[flint dagger]

It's just that me and a friend have almost every huntable plushie besides the Elder and the Basic Muujin.

[clear ingot]

Anyone getting "stack to high" message even though it's not?

[lyric night]

are u attaching building block onto building block?
with the introduction of building blocks the stack to high should probably be renamed to stackamount reached or something like that I guess

but with building blocks u are still stacking them onto eachother just sideways

[clear ingot]

I have barely used any though and had more down before the issue started. :/

It just won't let me build from left to right. I can come from the other side, but I'm trying to fix an alignment issue

[shrewd vessel]

I also only need the regular muujin plush from the huntables, I feel like it’s harder to find them than banded muujin

[winter abyss]

anyone else have ghosts in their game? When i get closer, they fix themselves but the characters behind me turn to ghosts

[soft burrow]

i have them as well. i think the patch notes say that they look like that because the game needs more time to load those particular people in

[winter abyss]

Thank you, I really should read the patch notes lol

[ocean stone]

It used to be that if too many people loaded into an area then I wouldn't even see them, and potentially not even see their name...so maybe these ghosted/silhouetted figures are supposed to help with that?

[sudden bay]

I am having a problem where I can't cut down my flow trees on my plot. is that a known bug or has anyone else experienced it. I have one person helping me and I've never had this problem.

[celest maple]

I still have trees jumping plots and ending up inside my house and in random places. Super annoying with the flow trees because of the sound. I like it, but I don't want them on my home plot I made a specific plot for them but they just keep showing up on my home plot and in the middle of my living room, kitchen etc lol.

[bright ledge]

need to not be on plot when they grow at 6am /workaround ;;

[chilly dome]

Don’t know how long this has been here but for those struggling with the rocks here

In accomplishments on the bottom

[vagrant star]

It's pretty new, but I'm 99,9% certain it's bugged for me and doesn't show things as it should.

[signal kayak]

it was just released with the latest update and it is definitely bugged because s6 support says i only need the oyster pebble and it only shows four of the pebbles given for me

[zenith vine]

where can i put some like Feedback?

[gusty fossil]

!feedback

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[versed oar]

I just thought, I would really like if we had a sort of compendium of bugs or fish we caught once that tell us where and how to catch them. I have a really hard time remembering it all.

[bright ledge]

only these now
https://www.paliatracker.com/fish-tracker

https://www.paliatracker.com/bug-tracker

[weak wigeon]

are bahari glowbugs still a thing? Haven't seen one since patch LOL someone said they're green still (instead of blue) so it's hard to see them but idk

[hollow crescent]

usually find them in the south, i don’t think their green? but the are 6pm to 3 am they are also a rare bug so can use a buzzy jar if needed

[weak wigeon]

oh oki, so they should be blue now with the swap... right? I don't need it cause i got it starred and normal but i was curious

[hollow crescent]

i think so i haven’t been to the south in a bit since update and i know there’s a lot more of the green up north so hopefully their around xD

[modern rock]

yes they bahari glow bug is blue now

[zenith vine]

why isn't there a proper feedback channel, just this nonsense on the homepage? It would take days to work through every topic, nobody wants to hear the players' opinions?

That explains a lot

[soft burrow]

!feedback

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[hollow crescent]

there kinda is a feed back on their site , you can pick your category best you can and just explain your idea, i’ve done it a few times xD

[weak wigeon]

heh, right as i say it

[loud axle]

There is no one to take or compile said feedback here on the forums at the moment as they laid off all their community managers.

Who knows if it's even being compiled from the form on the website honestly

[zenith vine]

what the Duck... okay, that's hard

[hollow crescent]

they prob are just gonna be slower to get through them

[modern rock]

they have changed things in response to feedback tho. like raising the gold cap and renown cap (which is one thing i put in through the form and i know a lot of other people did)

[hollow crescent]

hopefully

[cyan kayak]

Anyone figure out what the best worm farm buyable item is now since mushrooms were changed?

[loud axle]

Numbers are easy to change around thankfully, if those are your suggestions. It's the suggestions about gameplay features and accessibility options that seem to fall on deaf ears or take 84 years to develop.

[modern rock]

they also completely changed how parties work.

[gusty fossil]

They added stepping stones and a kinda 2 story house

[cyan kayak]

I am so salty about the 'second floor'

[loud axle]

The update to parties is definitely a very nice step in the right direction for sure. I always hated having to wait on people to hit stuff once

[modern rock]

unfortunately it's a bit marred by the ghost party bug which is affecting more and more people

[loud axle]

Haven't heard about that yet... What's going on with it?

[cursive shale]

anyone else experiencing issues with Hekla during The King's Voice quest?

im stuck at asking around and shes the only one with a questionmark left 😦

||he doesnt have a questionmark but i will try, ty||

[modern rock]

basically you get stuck in a party that doesn't really exist anymore. if someone sends you a party invite the game will say you're already in a party, but you can't leave the ghost party either because the game claims you're not in a party. from what i've heard it's caused by you or a party member logging off while still in the party

[loud axle]

Ah, I see... We're bringing back old bugs now 🤣

I remember that happening in early tests

[bright ledge]

relog to fix

[modern rock]

huh. is it that simple? i did honey lures with someone yday and he seemed to have been affected by the bug for days

[fervent widget]

does anyone know if you can place 4 large rooms in a square?

[bright ledge]

unless its 2 different bugs

[forest fossil]

So if I just kill a ton of Sernuk, I should eventually get a plushie?

[mossy jetty]

yes, but it's a very small drop rate so it might take a lot of sernuks

[forest fossil]

thanks for the infographic 😄

same for chappas or is there no plushie for hunting them?

[mossy jetty]

there isn't one for chappaas but there are plushies for muujin

[forest fossil]

oooo ok ty 🙂

[late stag]

Crazy... I just got the 1/100 two days ago xD

I used the Horn, and just ran around like a mad man

hunting is my fav part of the game! But I joined this discord to provide feedback/suggestions for the farming skill. I'd love to see something for automation in farming.

Like a sign or something for each square that can store seeds that will automatically plant new crops after harvest. That way you can fill the signs & keep them stocked with seeds, rather than having to remember the plot layout everytime for max boosts

Yea the luck is rough sometimes

To be fair, I threw away a ladybug plush xD

Well, there is also a pitty feature with the lucky coins!

Every 30 lucky coins there is a high chance of getting a plushie after 30

[jaunty hornet]

Hii guys! How do I mark a pic as spoiler?

[mental patrol]

mobile?

[jaunty hornet]

Yep

[mental patrol]

you tap on the pic before sending it, it should be written "mark as a spoiler"

found it?

[jaunty hornet]

Has this seriously always been there??? I did this temple for soo long ago and saw on steam that I missed a relic🤣 there's no way this has been there all this time??? 😭🤣

[jaunty hornet]

Yes thank you!

[mental patrol]

which temple? There are some relics that are placed in such "obvious" locations but at the same times you'd
never think its there lol

[jaunty hornet]

Waves. First temple we got haha

I also missed one in temple of flames so gotta go check that too🤣🤣🤣 thank god for steam archievements or I would never know

[mental patrol]

lmao same

i might go back just to check

[jaunty hornet]

And I'm flabbergasted cause I'm veryyyyyy searchy and I search through everything to find the treasures and the relics. How did I miss that? No, Palia must have added that later on 😠🤣 when I was already finished with the temple of waves lol

[jaunty hornet]

Yeah imma head there now haha

I even went in there on a date with Hodari and I still didn't see that relic? 🙄😆

[mental patrol]

lol

I think you were too distracted by smtg else to notice lol

[primal lagoon]

Has anyone noticed that fabric costs two cotton to make now? What is the reason for this?

It still sells for the same amount, so now even making fabric with non-star quality is a loss

[jaunty hornet]

Yeah👀 I'm romancing everyone tho but I melt when he calls me darlin' 🥺

Now off to see which relic I missed in the flames 🤔 might be a bit harder cause that temple is hugeeee

[mental patrol]

ill be doing the same, but focusing on Hassiam, cuz I like a cold shoulder, and Hodari cuz... its Hodari.

[jaunty hornet]

Hahah😂 I wear Nai'os pin and the others I just collect in my storage box

But like romancing everyone is giving me more lore and stuff 😍

[mental patrol]

ugh we love some lore

im pretty excited to find out more about humans. Ive heard its pretty sad

[jaunty hornet]

Yess

Finding whatever I'm missing in here is gonna take me forever

Don't make me do the maze again😭😂

A treasure chest?! And I thought I got them all lol

Now how do I get there 🤨

And another treasure chest wha- 😭😂

[steep kayak]

I don’t know if other switch players were also continuing to have the chat with villager, get das boot issue, but I found deleting and reinstalling the game cut the instances by half.

I still get dropped regularly talking with villagers, but it isn’t every single time now. So hooray!

[native jolt]

I have the quest The King's Voice I spoke to people and Hekla I spoke to 8 times and the Question mark over his head does not disappear like all the others I spoke to ?????

[modern rock]

it doesn't matter, just follow hekla's advice and go talk to ||the gardener in the temple of roots||

[native jolt]

thank you very much appreciated

[jaunty hornet]

Update: haven't found the damn relic 🙄 I'm gonna have to look up the locations in the temple soon fr hahah

I even went through the maze again which I don't like.. but I found two treasure chests by doing that so I guess it wasn't as much of a waste as I thought after all🤣

[modern rock]

btw the achievements for reading all the relics in the temple of waves and temple of flames are both pretty buggy. so not having them doesn't necessarily mean you didn't find all of the relics. there are guides if you want to be completely sure

[jaunty hornet]

Actually I did find the one I missed in temple of the waves so I obviously missed that one back then😂 and I found two treasure chests in temple of flames so that makes me think I do in fact miss a relic in here

[modern rock]

yes i know i read your previous comments obviously. i'm just saying they're bugged so you might not get the achievements even if you go back there again

[jaunty hornet]

Alright! The guide I found shows other locations than in the temple?

I found the one I think I was missing thanks to reddit but I didn't get the archievement. It says that they fixed it, but maybe not🤔 or I have missed more than one lol

[jolly sundial]

Hello I want to know what can I do next I wait a lot but nothing happend

[daring gyro]

i believe they literally mean wait until they release more content for the game :') i've been "waiting" a couple months now lol

[jolly sundial]

Oh wow thanks for the information

[daring gyro]

np! 👍

[versed oar]

Ahhh I really want the lore but I don't want multiple romances. guess I'll just have to read it in the wikis or something

[signal kayak]

they fixed it, disco deer now drops the proudhorn plush instead of the order one

i think you can still get it from zeki's machine if that's any condolences

[bright ledge]

you cam also get the green cylinder plushie from zeki machone

[ashen forum]

I kind of wish ending a relationship felt more integrated mechanically, rather than just resetting the track... I kind of want to break up with jel but I want him to be sad about it for a bit, you know??

[solemn merlin]

I'd be very intrigued to see if there's a system that artificially changes spawn rates based on what you need and who is in the area. Needed the duskwing butterfly, for reasons , and in the time it took me to catch 1 of that uncommon insect, I caught 11 rare spotted mantis. Could also just be unlucky, but still 😅

Probably a lot simpler, and potentially buggier, than that - but funny to speculate.

[versed zealot]

hi all! does anyone know how to join an lfg party? it says i don't have permission to message in the chats (im new to discord >_< ) sorry if this is the wrong chat to ask about this

[little anchor]

Is there a place to put suggestions? ;o

[calm gale]

!feedback

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[runic eagle]

You need to get the LFG Role here id:customize in order to chat there

[celest maple]

Hi all. How long does support usually take to reply to your ticket?

[thorn oriole]

Depends

[vagrant star]

Contacted them twice, once (name change) was a same-day response (maybe the next day, for timezones reasons, but within a 24-hour period of sending the initial request), the other one (trying to find a workaround for a bug) was a little longer, not sure about the times but I think a few days, times varying between the answers as a few messages were sent back and forth.

[lime mirage]

Well after 10 months playing Palia I have come to mostly enjoy new quests, as all the rest in repetitive. Alas S6 (or the Palia infrastructure) just screwed my last quest conclusion (LVL5 for Jina). After having done all steps of this quest and receiving mail from the Institute **my quest indicator got back to square one (map the temple) **which was first step I did in this quest, followed by all others.
How can a conclusion of a quest (I cannot tell Jina I was accepted as advisor as I get no related dialogue) be screwed for some users, and not for others? I play on Steam. This really sets me back. What am I to do now? Go hunting, fishing, mining, gathering, again and again? I want quests to WORK!
I did enter a report about this bugged quest. It seems there is no one now at the other end to look at reports. Maybe he was fired also? 😟

Quest data lost for a player? That looks like a database issue to me.

[mossy jetty]

if you put it as 'report a bug' it has an assumed no answer

[brisk spruce]

if you report it as bug report and do want a response you can reply to the ticket before they close it and they at least used to respond, though. in case that is how you reported it.

[sterile river]

I keep trying this and I think it hates me lol

[bold pollen]

Guys, I want to ask, if you open a new plot, will you get multiple access to the crafting license, or is it the same?

[slender crown]

Combined crafters on all slots together

[bold pollen]

oh i see, thanks for information

[reef forum]

does anyone know an android widget to have Palia ingame time ? like a clock widget ^^
I usually check the ingame time on the gardening tool website but I would love a clock widget with palian time on my phone 🤩

[stoic frost]

There used to be a paliatime website, not sure if it's still up though.

[reef forum]

thanks both of you ahah

[elder snow]

is there a list of misable items somewhere? I'm really miffed to find out I missed the shiny pebble deco

[reef forum]

ow but there is a list of active fishes, location and bait 0.0 this is gold !!!! mouahaha thanks ♥

[toxic shoal]

sup everyone we are 2 players looking for 2 more or 1 atleast for cooking party if you intersted pm me thanks

[vagrant star]

Might be best to ask in #1143270926394335282 so that people can find your message and it doesn't get buried here.

[next shore]

I just started playing yesterday and im really enjoying exploring the game, but the fleshy garden patches just seem so out of place XD

[terse fern]

can someone tell me how the mail system is supposed to work? I came back to the game the day 1.80 update dropped. I thought my mailbox on my plot was bugged, still not sure it's not. it doesn't glow and the flag doesn't go up when there is mail as it previously did. I just checked it and there where tons of items in there. thanks.

[zinc jetty]

Finally got a regular sernuk plush!

[modern rock]

it is bugged for everyone since the last update. but you should still get the mail icon at the top right to indicate you have new mail

[weak junco]

Not played since before the cake party nerf, anyone got a layout for the best garden to have at the moment?

[modern rock]

i recommend asking in #🌱│gardening . but "best" is a bit subjective - depends on if you need any particular crops for cooking etc. and whether you're willing to weed or water.

[weak junco]

Yeah that makes sense, I meant just for either Apples for cakes etc. not caught up at all since the nerf of cake parties months ago but I’ll ask in there, thanks ^^

[worthy oxide]

Hey, I have some questions about gardening that I'm looking to get some quick answers to. The wiki is outdated, so I wanna be sure of things before I start planning out a final layout for my apple trees.

Are these all the presently-available gardening boosts, and is this what they do?

• Harvest Boost (Amount)
• Quality Boost (Quality)
• Water Retain (Stay Watered)
• Weed Prevention (No Weeds)

Do they stack with fertilizer? Like if you did Quality boosting fertilizer AND quality boost, would that confer an additional benefit or just be wasting resources? Also, what are the two fertilizer types produced by worm farms?

[celest yoke]

Hi everyone, I have found the tower speedrun ! Is there a ranking or a place where I can find the world record ?

[lyric night]

• speedygro from the gardening guild to boost growth time (but it doesn't work consistently, thats why they moved it there in the first place xD)

fert from worm and glowworm farms are quality and harvest boost
u can only stack one fert on one soil tile up to 99
to ensure the buff applies to the crop it needs the fert everyday

but u can of course combine buffs from plants with fert buffs

[lyric night]

don't think so but the fastest should be like 2 minutes or less with a glitch that boosts u up in the air XD

[humble pumice]

Anyone on switch having problems with getting to your plot from log in just looks like im in the clouds

[celest yoke]

Damn I did not find it yet xD

[lucid hornet]

that is their way to give everyone the flowers newer players get for free?

[worn basalt]

That is alot of bugs

[smoky juniper]

Bug fest lol

[worn basalt]

They couldnt have done with before I already collected all the flower seeds?

[modern rock]

open your map and return home

[lucid hornet]

older players cant get these flower seeds, u only get them by a old quest they updated.
well, they will give the reward anyway, just farming engagement..

[smoky juniper]

is there a counter in game to keep track of many bugs have been caught by the community?

[drowsy kernel]

Not to sound like an ingrate, but 25 million bugs for some flower seeds and a plush feels.... kinda like a lotta work for very litte? I know it's a collective effort but still.

[lyric night]

its just for engagement.. 25 mil is not that much

[worn basalt]

What are you talking about? I am referring to the just announce Bug Palooza

[lucid hornet]

same, the flower seeds they are giving out, cant be dropped, only obtained by a quest and this event. guess u ment all of the other flower seeds

[worn basalt]

Yeap. As in, I already farmed about 2,000 bugs, now I need to do it again?

[modern rock]

it's a group effort anyway, if you don't want to catch any bugs yourself sounds like you will still get the same rewards as everyone else as long as you log in during the time period

[worn basalt]

And I am already flower capped in every plot

[autumn spear]

About 12.5k people need to farm 2,000 bugs again.

[lyric night]

Palia has way more than 12.5k players tho

[autumn spear]

We can only hope one plushie will be incentive enough to drop everything and bug hunt.

[reef lynx]

It gives people something to do it sounds fun to me idk why people are complaining u can not participate and still get the rewards

[autumn spear]

Especially with them disappearing into everything other than my inventory, and with a week’s time limit, it’ll be interesting to see how well it goes. Often group things exceed my expectations, so I’m probably just being pessimistic. I’m sure there was some kind of research into the number so it’s likely attainable.

[modern rock]

i will do a bunch of honey lures i wouldn't mind getting a few extra bug plushes anyway

[fiery perch]

Im just tired of (what seems like) fomo rewards tbh

Cute idea, def. Its just the fomo i dont like. More community stuff is good.

[wise hearth]

Could've been the Honey Bunch plush

[thick wagon]

25MILION bugs...we should at least get some gold or more rewards considering how meany bugs that is...thats not like 8 DAY THING

[wise hearth]

That would've been more on theme

[lyric night]

the bugs u catch isn't enough gold?

[thick wagon]

shhhhhhhhh and no >;3 never enough

[fiery perch]

Yeah honestly, a bug themed plush (that already exists) would of made more sense

[autumn spear]

Out of curiosity. If people party up so that multiple people get the loot of bugs they don’t actively catch, do those bugs count multiple times? Like if a party of 5 catches 500 bugs together, but 100 a piece, is the total 500 or 2500?

[wise hearth]

Again, the Me and my honey bunch plush would've been so on brand-

[cinder comet]

I do not think they’re going to punish the community for not reaching goals. IMO this is an activity gauge to also increase, well, engagement into the game. But, I don’t think they’re going to go ‘haha, no plush for yall’. That’s just my opinion though.

[autumn spear]

I don’t party up often so I’m not sure how loot works now and may be incorrect.

[fiery perch]

Tbh i agree. My main concern is afterwards, the fomo for those who werent around. Like frogbert

[cinder comet]

That makes sense. My assumption is for anything missed like frogbert, the palcats, etc. will be introduced into the game some other organic way for new players to obtain.

The only thing I never see coming though is the founders windmill.

That’s probably locked up indefinitely.

[modern rock]

just speaking for myself, but i already got 3 of these honey bunch plushes from zeki's gacha. i would have been disappointed if that was the plush reward personally

[cinder comet]

The reward plushies are probably for advertising the flutterfox tbh.

[wise hearth]

Yeah that was a very limited run thing, same with the whole frog sweaters and bucket??

[fiery perch]

100% is

[cinder comet]

This isn’t me being a cynic, I just was a director of marketing for a long time.

[fiery perch]

But yeah. I just dont like the fomo. Just (heh) bugs me

[cinder comet]

Yes, I think those things will find a way back in somehow. I doubt they’ll do single runs of these things.