💬│palia-discussions

[pearl wave]

So please do not falsely report someone just because they chopped down flow trees without waiting. (You can ask them to wait but sometimes you will find them to have attitude).

Sometimes you get people who like me who have 100% no idea and accidentally chop down stuffs if you didn't tell me to wait rip.

I will wait if you tell me to tho

[gritty socket]

And as I'm sure you know, this sort of "imposing community rules" happens in any game where you can have a community. Hell, you saw it in Dark Souls around dueling!

[raven orbit]

I think the problem is assigning malicious intent to people for not playing the way you like. It's different if they're actually in chat being rude about it, but if they're not then you're just assuming intent.

There's children that play the game, people that don't speak English, people that can't even read the chat because it's inaccessible due to it's small size. /gen

[hollow fractal]

But that´s the thing. This discussion is NOT about people like you. It´s not even about imposing some self made rules. It´s about making the game experience a positive one for EVERYONE.

[pearl wave]

Right

[hollow fractal]

Not only those who "want to play the game the way they want"

[vagrant star]

I agree. Probably something that's hard to avoid though...

[cinder temple]

I can't tell you how many new players I've heard from and people on Switch who are having issues seeing the chat UI getting absolutely shredded because they weren't aware of invisible social rules or quite literally could not see someone telling them to 'stop'. This is why I would like to see a change to how resources work so that people could wait or not wait without affecting each other negatively. This is the oldest fight in Palia, and I say that as someone who's been with it since 2021.

[hollow fractal]

I agree with this. What I am talking about is people who completely ignore when you try to explain why you are waiting and wanting them to please wait. Those who chop., dance around you and laugh in your face

[fiery perch]

It is hard to avoid, but it just blows that this is literally how Palia gets and is a lot of the times. The "unspoken rules" is just ... 😭

[pearl wave]

I hope the devs changes that UI / chat for all devices tbh

[gritty socket]

A lot of it's just social stuff sadly. People just... being people, and there's only so much you can do to "fix" that with game mechanics

[raven orbit]

The small text size has been one of the biggest accessibility concerns since closed beta as well /gen

[winged tundra]

100%, it's a big issue in mmos. hard to avoid too, because game devs dont want to impose those rules on players and restrict how one enjoys the game, but they also don't want a community that fosters socially pressuring others to play in a certain way. there's no good way to solve this current grove issue imo because if you make them function like mining, it removes one of the only community aspects of this game, and if you dont it continues..

[vagrant star]

Yes, unfortunately :-(

[pearl wave]

Ah ok

[fiery perch]

Literally. I struggle and sometimes just give up because it's not worth the strain for me sometimes.

[loud axle]

Sim and I do indeed remember the dark ages... 🥴

[gritty socket]

Ideally you'd make them function like mining, but also keep the regen mechanic, I'd think?

[cinder temple]

I remember the giddy days of trying to name the purple flower. 💜

[raven orbit]

Funny thing is, I've never played any games (especially MMOs) that have this much fuss or toxicity about resources that aren't even limited. I guess maybe because Palia's really only multiplayer 'content' is groves people treat it differently but even then it's like...we're playing a game it's not that serious /gen

[loud axle]

I'd react with it but it's no longer an emote 😭

[vagrant star]

It'd still take away quite a bunch of the community aspect...

[hollow fractal]

Chat needs a general overhaul so badly. But worse for me that if you have no chat, other social aspects are also not working, like friending, inviting to or accepting invites to parties

[fiery perch]

I know i haven't been around as long as you both, but 😭 I remember it even during closed beta. so i can imagine it was there even during those dark ages

[vagrant star]

Purple flower?

[winged tundra]

i think this is a common sentiment among some people here but it very much feels to me like this game was a singleplayer that added mmo features last minute. most of the "co-op" activities are more efficient to do solo (except cooking maybe?) and the core gameplay - questing - is something that you cant do with others. so seeing them remove the grove being a community aspect would be sad and further reinforce that idea to me, but i also think it's the only way they can really fix the toxicity problem. keeping the regen is a good idea though to keep it a communtiy thing

[cinder temple]

I've been wanting it back ever since it went away. I hope it returns eventually.

[fair portal]

has always been a thing

[cinder temple]

Yeah, these guys from the release trailer! I want them for my lawn.

[dire coral]

The magic of game balancing can be done here. If you add more community activities, groves being a social activity can be phased out without issue

[winged tundra]

agreed. but i dont know what they've got planned. i worry that this game will continue the trend of new content being singleplayer things like new relationship quests and new areas with no real comunity aspect

[vagrant star]

They're nice! Probably only available on high graphic moeds though if they come, they look very detailed.

[pearl wave]

I hope they fixes it before the full release tbh

[hollow fractal]

Not in game right now, but I think I have them on my lawn 😉

[gritty socket]

Eh, the multiplayer features were part of the concept from the word go, I feel. We just need more of them so people don't treat a cluster of trees that pops up every hour IRL like it's a world boss

[winged tundra]

I hope so too, this game has a ton of potential but there are a lot of fundamental issues, even for a beta

[fiery perch]

This is me moreso continuing the conversation, etc in general::

But the fact that mining/trees is the only community aspect, is mind-boggling to me. They should definitely have more. A lot of people enjoyed Hotpot, and more things similar to that would help.

I don't think mining/trees, the way it is now at least, should be the way the "community" aspect is.

Just make community dungeons, that are optional, that you can do to get extra resources. Simple puzzles to do with 2-3 others or something. Easy fetch quest(s) in said dungeon, etc. Things that are simple, still passive/not combat heavy. That would help imo.

[winged tundra]

i imagine they were, i just mean that to a player it feels like they weren't a primary focus yknow? but yes i totally agree!

[young plank]

i mean im kinda the odd one for this but im mostly a solo player so the fact that i dont have to talk to much people at times is nice. i can control my "social battery" if that makes sense

[winged tundra]

imo questing should have always been designed to be done with other players, with singleplayer options

[vagrant star]

Sounds great! (As long as the community part is optional.)

[loud axle]

I'm jumping back here a bit but I do need to disagree with this.

You do lose resources when you are waiting. That's time spent idle, not being productive. For some personality types like me, it's difficult to sit idle and not feel like I'm making progress.

For other people, they may only have a limited amount of time to play and waiting around is wasting that time.

Many resources such as Palium have the opportunity to respawn elsewhere on the map instantly, but only if people take them. People calling out and waiting on Palium back in the day actually annoyed the heck out of me because it would have been more productive and faster to gather had people just taken it and let it respawn elsewhere.

[hollow fractal]

It does.

[winged tundra]

i definitely understand that and i am totally cool with the game keeping all of it's singleplayer-capable features, i just want the multiplayer aspect to be more focused because if we're all being honest with ourselves if we take away the mmo aspect there is no reason to not be playing stardew valley over the palia. 😭

[fiery perch]

Yes! I always pictured it as being an optional part, and whyt he reward would be just more resources to pay for your time. That way people don't feel like they're missing out on anything (like a plush, etc). 🥹

[hollow fractal]

Simple, use a drowsing rod with a friend and don´t go to groves 😉

[winged tundra]

not to bring up the stardew comparisons and start a whole thing over it, but being an mmo sets the game apart from the constantly duplicated "cozy farm sim" that is incredibly oversaturated rn and it needs to focus on it's community aspect to continue to set itself apart

[raven orbit]

I'm definitely of the opinion that multiplayer stuff was added in last minute to try and get the multiplayer crowd, everything being so designed with solo play in mind is proof of that, which we know they were trying to cast "as wide a net possible" in terms of target market so it makes sense.

It's unfortunate because the multiplayer aspect is what drew a lot of people to Palia, only to be disappointed when the only content was chopping trees or cooking - both of which are still in the realm of parallel play. /gen

[pearl wave]

Mood, same tho.

[young plank]

ive played lots of stardew valley i just cannot pick it up anymore cause its the same thing over and over. Makes me suprised i play palia for the grind LOL but i like mindless collecting so hence my wood choppin skill

[dire coral]

I remember when cake parties first showed up, it was such a novelty bc it was a community activity that actually mattered and felt rewarding. People said it could be like the equivalent of dungeon raids in Palia

[gritty socket]

I imagine they want to add community content, but that takes time. In the meantime the community needs to learn not to tear each other's heads off over imagined slights

[vagrant star]

You're not the only one...

[raven orbit]

Like multiplayer was Palia's USP in all their marketing but it's very much something that they didn't really try to develop at all /gen

[fiery perch]

I'm just wanting to add on to say that, I agree with you. There used to be a spot where nodes would respawn a bit, and i'd clear out the whole area, and they still spawned in other areas for others.

I just get so restless, and i always felt like I was losing time. I always gotta go go go. 😭

[winged tundra]

also, i may be the only one who feels this way but i think this game is missing a lot of opportunity by not adding any combat whatsoever. itd take a lot of work to implement but fighting monsters with friends is the most fun part of most mmos imo even if it was just an optional thing if some players would prefer to keep it cozy

[hollow fractal]

100%. But on both sides please

[hollow fractal]

please no. There are literally 100s of games that cover this kind of thing

[winged tundra]

i dont know of any other farm sim that is a mmo and has combat. stardew's combat is fun but it lacks the mmo zest that i love palia for

[vagrant star]

I agree, "no fighting" is part of what drew me to Palia in the first place...

[gritty socket]

There's stuff on the site talking how the team wants to add optional "combat-like" experiences (so PvE at most); if that's still in scope, you may get your wish

[young plank]

yes no pvp and no combat besides hunting is what brought me in

[winged tundra]

like i said, i definitely recognize im probably alone in the opinion and i think it'd be fun to add experiences similar to combat even if its just an optional thing

[fiery perch]

I honestly don't see an issue with this as long as it's optional and in specific areas, so people would know beforehand. It would just depend on how it's implemented.

[winged tundra]

there's also ways to implement combat experiences that dont necessarily ruin the cozy/low stakes aspect of the gameplay

[pearl wave]

No pvp please, I don't want people camping us when we trying to mind our business :(

[fiery perch]

If it was like... WoW or something, and you run out willy nilly, and get smacked by a mob and just perish .. yeah, I don't think that works in Palia. But if it was specific instances, where there's simple combat that doesn't actually impact much or any gameplay (as in, it's not mandatory) .. it could be fine.

And I will at least say, I'd still very much not want pvp lol

..although groves and things feels like pvp /lighthearted /joking

[dire coral]

Probably not PvP, but expanding hunting might be worth a look at since it's already the base form of PvE

[winged tundra]

even if it was just more difficult to hunt enemies (for example a monster you can hunt that doesnt necessarily damage you, but gives you status affects while you fight it or something like slowing you down so there's some skill in needing to dodge it or something?) i think it could be very fun

[brisk spruce]

pvp is explicitly excluded in the same place flapjack was referring to

[vagrant star]

There are already enough people throwing snowballs and so on at others, I'd say.

[young plank]

the real question is out of all the current villagers who would be the doctor? 🧐

[gritty socket]

Yeah, certain areas like The Elderwoods or w/e being a bit more dangerous would be interesting. There's ingame dialog already implying the Elderwoods isn't the safest

Chayne.

[vagrant star]

As long as it's optional - yes!

[fiery perch]

This is pretty much what I mean. And it always felt like it was implied by Siifu (for me), that hunting was going to be expanded on to some extent. Esp with how they talked about Elderwoods in the game itself.

[winged tundra]

the idea of more entities to hunt that dont necessarily damage but "fight back" in some way like attacks that slow you down, make you do less damage, or something similar so that there is a bit of skill added and opens up gameplay opportunity for dodging etc i think could be really fun

[hollow fractal]

Chayne is

[raven orbit]

PVP and PVE combat are too different things lol, you can have combat with PVP

I've always thought a good place for it would be The Elderwoods, it gives it a USP and also would give players something multiplayer to do. /gen

[vagrant star]

Or even just if they could block your attacks and draw health from that... Doesn't even have to be against you.

[raven orbit]

I think they kind of backed themselves into a corner making the whole game parallel play because now they're blocked from adding any meaningful multiplayer content because people would complain /gen

[dire coral]

Honestly Id be down for PvP if it were rock paper scissors or some non combatant activity. Kinda like Club Penguin's Cardjitsuu

[young plank]

oh really? LOL shows that i dont talk to the villagers cause of the constant bugs with the villagers XD

[winged tundra]

they'd def need to expand on the weapon system if that happens since bow and arrow combat will get old pretty quick haha

[fiery perch]

This kind of "PvP" i think is def more suited for Palia. I mean, hotpot was similar to this sorta, right?

(I never played, but it sounded similar)

[brisk spruce]

what's that? you want v1 of chapaa chase back?

[vagrant star]

Hotpot? And similar games? Count me in!

[hollow fractal]

Ok, I am totally out of this discussion. Play Ark, Enshrouded, whatever if you want combat. MEH

[cinder temple]

Something I'd like (and it would most likely require far more maps) is open-world events. It's nice that we've gotten things like the Maji Market and Chapaa Chase, but little minigames and activities like that peppered around the world would be neat. Say you're near the Dragon Shrine, maybe now and then an event starts where Chayne waves you over and asks for your help catching an abundance of insects that are terrorizing the area with a chance at some rarer ones like the Duskwing.

They'd have to scale to account for however many people are nearby, but just having Things To Do would help alleviate the strain around the few things we do currently have.

[pearl wave]

I don't know if I want to play palia if pvp is added but that's just me

[winged tundra]

hard agree, theyre in a tough position because they wanted to be both a singleplayer and multiplayer game. most mmos that keep the standard of "100% playable alone" dont end up doing that well because it restricts community content, which is the appeal of mmos to 90% of those who play them

[pearl wave]

Cuz I thought palia is all about being cozy game

[fiery perch]

Sounds similar to how GATES are in ff14, if i understand correctly.

[raven orbit]

Yeah we're kinda seeing the issue now where people don't consider any form of combat, even PVE, as 'cozy' so as much as they really need something like it to actually be multiplayer, they won't do it because so many people are against it /gen

[fiery perch]

yeah, PvP in the sense of actual combat with one another... no thank you.

But if it's PvP in the sense of board games, or card games. I think that'd be fine. It'd also bring the sense of community as well, imo!

[fair portal]

i agree with you there. im playing this esp because it got no pvp

[raven orbit]

PVP isn't the same as combat, ya'll /gen

[fair portal]

pvp gathers even more toxic players imo...

[pearl wave]

Mhm

[vagrant star]

Yes, if it is done then so that it doesn't stop being cozy. So not the typical "players fight players and one wins stuff and the other loses stuff" kind of thing.

[gritty socket]

They have explicitly stated no PvP

[winged tundra]

and im totally down for the game staying accessible to people who dont want combat, but it is an interesting idea to speculate on and think about what could be added to up the community content. not sure why everyone is so angrily opposed to discussing ideas as if we're devs 😭

[raven orbit]

No one has said anything about PVP, though. We're talking about combat which is PVE. /gen

[hollow fractal]

Is it angry to say no thank you?

[pearl wave]

Thank you lol, we not angry

[fair portal]

im not angry^^ i just stated thats its a good thing a game like this exists without having to fight

[vagrant star]

(Just to make sure I get things correctly, PVP is "players against each others" and PVE is "all players together against the computer", right?)

[winged tundra]

imma be honest i dont know if it's just me being autistic and not grasping your tone through your messages but you come off extremely passive aggressive or hostile in almost everything you say, eryn

[hollow fractal]

Why make Palia like 100s of other games when it is exactly the game NOT having combat that sets it apart?

[raven orbit]

Yep! Players against the environment! No player against player at all :o) /gen

[fiery perch]

I'll be quite honest. Hunting in this game is similar to Combat already. Expanding on that wouldn't really make it too different, esp if it was something that was genuinely optional and in specific areas/zones.

[pearl wave]

Yeah I think when they says pvp but they keep mentioning that so that throws us off lol

[fiery perch]

And I think 90% of people, who talk about combat, agree that they don't want that against other players.

[hollow fractal]

Maysbe it´s because english is not my first language, don´t know

[pearl wave]

Then don't call it as pvp imo

[winged tundra]

i dont think anyone here was discussing wanting pvp to be in the game tbh, i dont know how we got here haha

[hollow crescent]

i agree is does sound like gates and maybe that’s where palia should do that, i know it’s been mentioned “section/seperate zones” but it could be out in the open and if you walk it it’s window that pops open asking if you’d like to join or not, and if you don’t your normal play, and if you do you join the “pve” aspect

[raven orbit]

Yeah, to be clear we're talking strictly about PVE. No one here wants PVP (players against player combat) - I think some people were confusing us talking about combat with PVP, which it's not. /gen

[winged tundra]

that's understandable and i'm sorry if i came off as attacking you for it, i just have a hard time understanding tone through messages and when people are very blunt it can come across as hostile to me /gen

[fair portal]

its just a discussion and i dont like the idea of combat in palia 😉

[vagrant star]

That description reminds me of the tower access, is that what you had in mind?

[pearl wave]

Yeah, like if you talking about playing cards or rock paper scissors, etc, that is not pvp to me and that's will be fun lol

[hollow fractal]

good that we talked about it then. 🙂

[raven orbit]

We do already have combat in Palia though with the hunting? Really people just want a more elevated, multiplayer version of that /gen

[fiery perch]

I only mentioned "pvp" in aspect to board games since it was mentioned earlier, and someone said "as long as there's no PvP" ... people were trying to help clarify that they meant combat against creatures, not players. That's it. At least, that is how I read it.

[fair portal]

thats a thing i can support too

[cinder temple]

Pillow fights!!! But yeah, if anything approaching competition made it to the game, it'd have to be low-impact, optional, and low-stress I'd think. We get enough battle at the Groves as it is.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, I don't count it as "PvP" but i think it was brought up since it's still against players, is all.

[pearl wave]

Yee

[winged tundra]

the main thing i was most interested in when i said i want combat to be expanded is that i want things to hunt that do something other than running away, because that gameplay loop gets old quick. for example, counterattacks that dont damage you (since dying isnt a thing in palia and i think adding it would be counterintuitive to the game's vibe) but somehow make hunting it harder. like how i said earlier, something that maybe throws a slow attack at you that you need to dodge or how froggies said that heals itself of of hitting you or dodging or something

[raven orbit]

When I say combat I more mean similar to what ESO has where there's a big thing that comes from the skin and spawns a bunch of enemies that players fight together, which gives them certain rewards - in Palia's case it could be something like Zeki coins similar to the tower so it's optional /gen

[fiery perch]

Heck, if they did want to have optional dungeons similar to what I mentioned earlier, could make some that strictly mention it's more focused on combat/hunting to a degree. So people can opt-in for that kind of gameplay. And the rewards for finishing it? Just more hunting resources that you would get while you play the game passively/without that kind of gameplay. Esp cuz it wouldn't make it feel like you were missing out on anything from the game itself.

[fair portal]

anything pvp/combat style that affords advanced gaming skill is gonna be a problam for many players i think cause i know a few players that are the age of 60 and above

[dire coral]

Looks like there was just a crowd that's pro/against combat, and a crowd that's maybe-pro/against pvp and they got mixed up

[vagrant star]

Rock paper scissors or hotpot wouldn't be PVP? (Looks at previous messages... I guess some of mine were misunderstandable then, sorry for that.)

[cinder temple]

A lot of the current mobs are just hit, chase, hit, chase. Might be fun to have one where the strat is to keep your distance because it'll turn around and knock you on your butt for a few seconds if it catches up to you.

[gritty socket]

https://palia.com/news/top-questions-about-palia

Combat in Palia

Many people have asked if Palia will have combat. While Palia won’t be entirely free of conflict, combat isn’t the core of the focus. Over time, we’ll have combat-like adventures, but players will be able to opt out of those experiences. And that combat won’t involve players fighting other players.

[raven orbit]

We already have the combat I'm talking about in the form of the Disco Deers for example. Something like that, but more multiplayer and more dungeon esc. Maybe something like surviving a wave of certain enemies to get a reward at the end /gen

[winged tundra]

agreed!! there's an enemy like that in the game raft and it adds a fun and most importantly different combat style

[fiery perch]

I just want to add onto this that like ... I remember seeing Muujins, and I still do, and I always thought they would grab my ankles or something w/ their teeths while I had my back turned 😭 Not like damage me or anything, but just to pull me back or something for a few moments lmaoo

[fair portal]

ty

[pearl wave]

Oh no I was responding to someone who says board games and pvp in same sentence and I wanted to make it clear that's it's not sounds like pvp to me. lol

English isn't my first language so I apologies

[gritty socket]

There's more to the section I posted btw, wanted to avoid a text wall

[winged tundra]

see that would be so fun and different!!!

[raven orbit]

If you're familiar with tower defense games, for example, some kind of thing like that would also be cool as well as an optional multiplayer thing for people to do /gen

[fiery perch]

i love tower defense in general 😭 dungeon defenders <333

[clever knot]

pvp? There are already so many playing against each other and doing what they want, that's enough, I think. It doesn't have to be more than that. And for everyone who wants to fight, I recommend the game Enshrouded 😛

[raven orbit]

No one is talking about PVP ❤️ /gen

[vagrant star]

No need to apologise, you didn't do anything wrong in my opinion :-)

[cinder temple]

It's a two-prong concern that I mostly see with combat:

• It will bring stress
• It will create a major part of the game that people can't interact with

So as long as those two things are considered and addressed during design and implementation, you could probably make some pleasing, optional combaty things, but it's also very easy to get it wrong which I think is where a lot of the 'nope' comes from.

[brisk spruce]

just to add, there's also this Q&A archive that has one section about PVP and one section about (PVE) combat, for anyone curious
https://support.palia.com/hc/en-us/articles/7474545281556-Game-Design-Philosophy

[pearl wave]

As long as they not going down the road where it's become pvp, that's sounds so much fun tbh!

[hollow crescent]

#💬│palia-discussions message mentions a shrine and an npc (chayne) waving you down, very similar to gates (which would be like the tower where you have to physically walk to some thing and say “i’d like to join”, i think they’d also benefit from ffxiv/wow (the only 2 mmos i can compare to atm) where there’s “hunts/world quests” where you get a pop up that’ll ask if you’d like to join in the event happening

[gritty socket]

Tbh, if you have time, I suggest reading through those old blog posts and the Ask The Team stuff here: https://support.palia.com/hc/en-us/sections/7474069473684-Ask-the-Team-Archives

[hollow crescent]

[vagrant star]

I see, thanks!

[winged tundra]

I agree, I want the game to stay accessible to people who aren't hardcore "gamers" and also hopefully continue to improve accessibility for disabled folks as harder mini-games always leads towards less accessibility if not given time and care. but i do think it is very possible to implement some new, fun ways to both address the lack of community features and improve the stale gameplay loop of hunting

[dire coral]

This is, possibly the 2nd or 3rd time I will turn off my braincells and propose:

Palia should totally replicate Lethal Company but somehow magically in their cozy-lens, just cause I think the gameplay loop would seem fun here

[winged tundra]

im imagining a thumper-disco deer amalgamation in my mind and it is anything but holy. i blame you

[raven orbit]

Yeah no one wants PVP. We're talking about PVE combat that is optional and while challenging, not something you're penalized for not doing or finishing. Just something optional for people that want multiplayer content that was advertised and didn't exist.

Similar to how the tower is, while stressful for some, an optional thing. Something optional like that, but for folks who want to play together instead of apart. Even stuff like Hide and Seek would be a great small thing /gen

[young plank]

im hoping by the time i get the deer plushie ill be past hunting lvl 50. I refuse to hunt the muujin when they nerfed the area for me to be able to solo that shiny version

[dire coral]

And I thank you for that image, that sounds glorious

[fiery perch]

Also, I don't think anybody is rly saying, "expand combat to where i feel like im struggling with my HP" ... because, I also wouldn't really want that? Just something that's a bit different, and still a bit accessible to some degree, if it's an option ppl would want.

Ark, Enshrouded, etc... (bringing this up since it was mentioned earlier), is not the kind of combat I'd want. I don't know how enshrouded is cuz i haven't played it, but if we're talking about Ark here... That's completely different. That's where I feel like I'm fighting for my life and i'm stressed. That isn't what I'm talking about at all.

Just something with different mechanics, etc. Not just something that runs off. I don't want to worry about my HP. Just some different mechanics is all. Whether it's slowing you down for a moment, or knocking you back-- like a diff kind of sernuk that gets cranky and bumps you with it's horns every once in a while. Just something different.

... plus, i get tired of bow/arrow. I dont like aiming with it sometimes for one reason or another.

[winged tundra]

i've also seen a few people propose community plots and i think that is another great way to expand on the already fleshed out housing system and add more community focus ! (perhaps have it so that your guild has one community plot that all can add furniture to and move around)

[hollow crescent]

i agree that it should be tested if they go pve route, they should also consider their Target Audience too, if their wanting to attract the “cozy crowd” that as you said should be low stress, so ye a balancing would need to happen for sure

[gritty socket]

Yeah, something where you might have a little bit of combat expected for the sake of onboarding the player, but then have it fade into the background and be optional would work

[cinder temple]

Oh, I was thinking more like the open-world events in Guild Wars 2. You literally just walk over to a farm and things are happening right there that you can choose to partake in and the parameters of the event scale depending on who's around. I wouldn't be opposed to something instanced though, GW2 has both.

[fiery perch]

yeah, GW2's events are actually pretty similar to GATES in FF14!

[vagrant star]

As long as it stays optional... I think that if it's part of the introduction, it should be similar to the rest of the game.

[cinder temple]

Critically acclaimed Final Fantasy that you can play for free up to level--

[hollow crescent]

maybe they don’t have to have hp bars? AC has it that.. what you get stung by a bee/spider you “feint” and wake up somewhere (i forget ) so could be something similar where your like “darn i got stunned/feinted etc” and you either port to a near by location (like if you did /unstuck) or nearest stable ? it would depend what they would do

[hollow fractal]

Collaborative plots is absolutely the single most thing I am missing. Even with the editor role you do not have a true collaborative play

[fiery perch]

I mean, that could even work, I suppose, depending on how it's done. I know that's similar to what... I think it's temple of roots?? has if you touch one of the lasers?? or something?

[gritty socket]

Tbh, I'd love to see HP bars, if only because it would mean we likely get them on huntable animals

[raven orbit]

I think the problem is a lot of people view anything semi-challenging / PVE related as "anti-cozy" which they're entitled to that belief of course, but just because they wouldn't consider it 'cozy' doesn't mean it isn't and doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game. If they hold to one person's idea of "cozy" then they're going to be very limited in what engaging multiplayer content they can add. /gen

[fiery perch]

LMAO, this makes me wonder how GW2 doesnt have a meme similar since GW2's "free to play" aspect isn't bad either /lighthearted /halfjoking

[cinder temple]

All we got is FashionWars. It ain't much but it's honest looks.

[lyric night]

they once said when they added the option to have multiple harvest house on plots that they are planning to add that/working towards it, if that'll happen now at the current state tho, unlikely

[hollow crescent]

yea is why i menatioend hunts/world quests from ffxiv/wow. hunts are special creatures that are neutral unless you engage in the event then you could fight them or whatever the event wanted, world quests would just be things that change daily to be little activities like “collect 10 sweet leaf” or “hunt 20 chappa” something that you can choose to do in the area if you wanted to but doesn’t effect anything if you don’t

[hollow fractal]

Here is hoping then

[fiery perch]

Youre right, you're right!

[pearl wave]

Do you mean like palworld where they fight you instead of running away (if it's special animals?)

[hollow crescent]

yea something like that no really “damage” just “oh something happened we gonna move you over here for now “

[gritty socket]

Exactly, which is why I suggested reading the pre-Beta literature for a better view on the plans for the game (some of those may have changed, though!)

[raven orbit]

As long as it's optional, it really shouldn't matter if one person considers it 'cozy' or not because it's optional so you don't have to engage in that gameplay. I, personally, don't consider the obstacle course to be 'cozy' so I don't engage in that content but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game /gen

[cinder temple]

Oh man, the obstacle course. It inspires so much fear in the community.

[gritty socket]

I'll do it eventually!

[hollow crescent]

yea cuz “cozy” means different things to everyone, to me it’s just low stress and k can turn my brain off if i wanted to and go minkng or hunting for example here in palia

[fiery perch]

also, i would love to live out my bard-like dreams, in the sense of, having a lute and playing music for creatures so they fall asleep /halfjoking

..half joking, becuase I can actually see that being a decent mechanic to some degree 🥲

[cinder temple]

Dear S6, please enable piggyback mode so that my more skilled friends can carry me across nerve-wrecking territory.

[lyric night]

can't wait to create my own obstacle course with the building blocks tbh, I used to jump parcour around my plot when I got bored lol

[gritty socket]

I would love a music system like LotRO has

[raven orbit]

exactly. For example I consider the game The Long Dark cozy, but a lot of people wouldn't because there's PVE and you can die. So while it's cozy to me, it's not cozy for other people and that's okay. Everyones idea of what is/isn't cozy is subjective /gen

[pearl wave]

Some of us have different views on what cozy means to us anyway

[fiery perch]

Yeah, and this is why I brought up earlier, like... If the combat was like Ark's-- Again, saying since someone mentioned it earlier-- ... no thanks. I can't really turn my brain off during that.

But if it was a watered down, simple version, that just had slightly diff mechanics and easy to understand? Yeah, that'd probably work. For me anyways.

[hollow crescent]

i def will when i get done with chores

[stoic frost]

The Long Dark is super cozy, just me, the wilderness and that one bear on the lake who won't let me live 😭

[lyric night]

cozy in the end is marketing anyways, every game can be a cozy game depending on the person

[fair portal]

quick quiestion...how do i get the icon behind my name? do need nitro for that?

[gritty socket]

Heck, Dynasty Warriors can count as cozy to me sometimes! Just turn off my brain and scythe through the enemy army

[fiery perch]

RIGHT, im one of the weird people who finds DBD for example cosy, as long as im playing with my bestie or some friends 🥲

[pearl wave]

Isn't that where the bear won't stop hunting you lmao? 😭

[vagrant star]

Get a role in id:customize :-) Some of them have icons.

[raven orbit]

DBD is so cozy!!

[fair portal]

oooh tysm

[hollow crescent]

i can’t wait to see all the creative builds

[fiery perch]

let me just go boop the Pig's snoot or give Demopuppy a hug.

[stoic frost]

its been a long time since I played but that bear hunted me like I owed him money

[dire coral]

Yeah presentation is rlly key. If combat was say, done through pillows vs weapons, they result in somewhat different experiences as an example

It takes a lot more than that to probably fit in Palia's view of cozy, but there's ways to make mechanics palatable to any crowd

[pearl wave]

What I really love about palia is that they have cute artistic gameplay

[raven orbit]

Yeah no one wants like fortnite guns in palia lmao, just something optional and engaging for those that want multiplayer things to do /gen

[hollow crescent]

yaas loved that game

brings to question if they do bring pve if we stick with the bow for things or if they’ll go for more fantasy ||the thing that’s new and secret|| makes me wonder a lot

[lyric night]

I just want the|| sailor moon staff ||from the night sky temple already.. its time that the story continues

[hollow crescent]

yes

[fiery perch]

I'd very much enjoy different weapons that isn't a bow and arrow. It'd be nice to see other ppls gameplay preferences, too.

[gritty socket]

I'm reminded of Sifuu dialogue where she wants to be allowed to make weapons and you can respond with "wouldn't that ruin the cosy vibes?" as an Air option

[hollow crescent]

“ugh you sound like kenli”

[pearl wave]

Omg why air is so toxic /j

[gritty socket]

Sifuu asking me what weapon I'd want to use taunts me

[raven orbit]

Honestly they could use flow as some kind of magic in PVE. It could be tied to some quests, maybe even introduce an alchemy skill for tinctures that help with the PVE combat /gen

[fiery perch]

I always assumed they were going to go in that direction w/ Flow at some point.

[dire coral]

Imagine they rework focus to become your mana pool

[hollow crescent]

same especially since subira showed up

[fiery perch]

would actually make me want to eat food, so i mean lol

[gritty socket]

God, I love Sifuu so much, and I really hope the game lives long enough to know what's going on with ||Taylin||

[raven orbit]

Could also give an excuse to introduce glider upgrades since Najum has a quest to make one that just gives you a decor piece /gen

[brisk spruce]

see: toontown pretty good example of that

[hollow crescent]

or like focus is focus, but we also get a “flow/mana” bar

[raven orbit]

Toontown my beloved 😩

[lyric night]

they probably will allow us to use flow someday, the night sky temple door screams flow magic

[fair portal]

why would we need a flow/mama bar?

[raven orbit]

for PVE combat :o) As an alternative to bows /gen

[hollow crescent]

i want an epic cinematic of it opening and showing what it’s for

[pearl wave]

I don't even get what the purpose of focus bar when I was able to continue doing my errands that's requires my energy lol

[fiery perch]

i love toontown so much!!!!

[hollow crescent]

it’s like bonus exp if you have something in it is all to level faster

[lyric night]

||I expect it to be a training ground for the staff where its combos are explained etc tbh||

[gritty socket]

Focus in this is just an EXP buff

[fair portal]

sry for asking but why do u write /gen at the end of ur reply?

[pearl wave]

Oh ok that's makes sense

[raven orbit]

it means genuine so people know i'm typing in good faith /gen

[pearl wave]

So if I want to lvl up my mining faster, I eat foods for it?

Gotcha

[vagrant star]

Congratulations on your role!

[fair portal]

haha ok never saw someone doing it but i linke it ty ^^ /gen

[hollow crescent]

||ooh, i thought of it like an entrance to a teleported that we could use to go to a new area (that we’d still be able to walk to/from) but it’d be faster with it || but i like yours too

[fair portal]

ty ^^

[young plank]

what i found out is the best for me atleast cause im set up for it but for a solo player i live off of chili dumplings till they push something in thats better

[pearl wave]

Question, do I eat specific foods for specific things to do (fishing, mining, etc) or do I just eat anything? I just don't know if there guides for it

[raven orbit]

Honestly I never used focus and leveled up pretty fast without it, I only used the shrines to waste renown so I wasn't losing it before I reached cap /gen

[hollow crescent]

i live off the ||silver wing eggs|| but i don’t cook/play long enough to go through a bunch of foods

[lyric night]

||could also be the way to the new zone, but it would be annoying to have soo many loading screens to get to it xD||

[hollow crescent]

||truue i forgot about those ||

[fair portal]

there is some food that gives buffs for fishing but nort for the other skills

[young plank]

Theres the fishing brew that you can add a buff to your bar. then theres the hooks einar sells to boost that and if you have friends with you thatll also give you a boost.

[pearl wave]

Gotcha

[fair portal]

just had my acceptance ceremony...now i know again what this game is about ❤️ i was a bit moved there ^^

[hollow crescent]

it’s a great cinematic

[fair portal]

yeah and the conversations with all the npcs there were so wholesome

[pearl wave]

I'm guessing you can marry npc if you keep talking to them and gifting things they liked ?

[raven orbit]

No marriage :/ You can only date them /gen

[fair portal]

but u can date two at a time

[raven orbit]

You can actually date all of them if you want, you can only wear 2 pins though but they don't really do much /gen

[pearl wave]

Boooo

[shrewd snow]

sooo when do you think we'll get romance lvl 5 with the current state of singularity 6 ? 💔💔 i'd be super bummed if we never got it, i'm super invested in these characters

[lyric night]

they didn't add friendship 5 to all yet so thats probably first, then maybe romance after that if that'll ever happen

[hollow dew]

Am I the only one that is at least mildly agitated by the fact that rare insects have the ability to just disappear into hillside where you can't track them or catch them?

[fair portal]

you are not the only one...-.-

[celest maple]

Nope. Lost one duskwing to the hill after trying to catch one for daaaaaays. Didn’t go bug catching after that for awhile

[hollow dew]

I understand that clipping is the culprit here but it would be nice if they could figure out the physics of it so that we wouldn't keep losing opportunities to catch epic and rare insects

[empty imp]

I'm trying to post a cake party on #lfg partyes, but I can't post it.

[dusky notch]

Once found a magic wolf in a floor and a disco deer in a rock. Clipping is a menace in this game sometimes.

[hollow crescent]

!lfgparty sry late if you found it

[opal cypress]

How-To: Use the LFG-Parties Forum

:one: How to view the forum
To view the forum, go to id:browse and ensure it's checked on your sidebar!

:two: How to message and post
You will need the LFG role to post threads as well as send messages in existing threads. You can obtain this by heading on over here: id:customize. Scroll down to "What additional channels would you like to see".

:three: Participating in a thread
Join into existing threads with the "Spots open!" tag. (Note: tags may not always be accurate.) Click into the thread to message within it.

You can also use tags at the top or the search bar itself to filter what posts you see.

As a good party host, please make sure to be accurate and informative in your post, especially with your tags as this is how other players can find the right party to join in. Removing the "Spots open!" tag when full for example, is much appreciated. Thanks!

[celest maple]

Focus can double the amount of experience you get for everything you do so you level up your 8 skills a lot faster. YOu don

don't have to participate in it if you don't want to

[pearl wave]

but i want fines tools :p

[radiant cipher]

Is there a pinned note or something about finding the Sushi recipe? I’m finding year old articles about the glitch and no new info about it.

And the Wiki is missing the section on acquiring the recipe.

[amber horizon]

it just requires fishing in any pond w/ a glow worm.

[young plank]

The pond that gave me mine was behind badruus farm area

[brisk spruce]

the glitch with it being unobtainable was fixed months ago now, so it should be obtainable just fine btw.

[flint igloo]

I remember it required a lot of fishing before. Hopefully they fixed that!

[waxen holly]

I got the Sushi recipe from a pond just yesterday

[waxen holly]

first Jasper ^^

upset, waiting for "Will you be my Shepp?" to reappear on Zeki >.>

[verbal oar]

Uhhh where’s the ground?

[ashen talon]

yeah, hodari's grove never has ground for me no matter what, is very spooky walking on air xD

[waxen holly]

the ground is also missing from Eshe's garden during the two quests that take place there, and Badruu's barn

[hollow crescent]

it’s like the floor is lava but it’s air

[waxen holly]

random silverwing nest ? 😮

[dim shale]

iirc, it's ||part of a quest||

[waxen holly]

okkkee hope I get it soon...im like almost max with everyone

[dim shale]

i think it might be ||tamala's|| but i can't remember if it's ||romance or friendship||

[waxen holly]

I hope its friendship then, Im only romancing Jel xD

[modern rock]

yes it's ||tamala's, it's one of her romance quests||

[waxen holly]

darn okie

[waxen holly]

first emerald !

[jolly whale]

Is there any appetite for a "How To" guide on setting up and using Palia with a controller on Steam?

I play on Steam Deck with controller on TV. There seems to be a few hurdles to clear during game setup to make it look good and playable.

The interface using controller is still not as complete as the Switch version as:

• There are not enough assignable buttons to do everything the keyboard/mouse interface can do.
• There are some operations that if re-assigned either trigger at the wrong time, or require some fiddling to work.

[flint igloo]

Did you search in #💻│tech-help ?

[waxen holly]

some people were shooting off lots of fireworks all the sudden in town

[jolly whale]

Many times. All the information required to get a reasonable setup is spread all over the place.

If you try run Palia as it comes on Steam, it looks and feels terrible.

[jolly whale]

I'm well advanced on Palia now. Just wanting to pull all the information I have learned into a single place for others to benefit from (and maybe help the developers focus on how to tweak the default setup to be more appealing).

[hexed cloak]

You need to ||be level 4 with someone to make them your Shepp||

[hexed cloak]

Keep the emerald and jasper for a bundle later on

[waxen holly]

I understand, I am, its just not displayed. It was pre-4, funnily enough

I also have submitted the Jasper and Emerald to the bundle already

[coral coral]

Yeah most times you have to wait a Palian day after completing the Lvl 4 quest for the option to come back

[waxen holly]

Its been a couple days irl , just waiting x.x submitted a ticket at least

Other people I'm level 4 with have it up. Except Tish and Zeki

[brisk spruce]

I'm sure if it doesn't exist already there are probably some people who would appreciate being able to just read a guide instead of fiddling and searching on their own. could probably post it in #1136399336385806427 and maybe put it on the wiki (https://palia.wiki.gg/) too for people who get there through google instead of discord? the wiki folks would be able to help with that part if you do choose to, can get access to the wiki channels through #📖│wiki-frontdesk

[hollow crescent]

ashura, tish, reth and zeki all seem to be bugged for shepp (idk if finishing their 5th quest makes shepp appear) but the other characters should work as you finish their 4th quest, takes a palia day as mentioned for option to appear

[coarse solar]

if they were at least stackable, can i pls get other things x.x

oh wait there are nine, one was hiding in my inventory xD

[vagrant star]

Stackable and recolourable. I'd try to get as many colours as possible, they'd make fun seats and fun pots for plants if we could plant stuff on them.

[dire river]

And game pieces for tick-tack-toe and the like

[vagrant star]

So many fun things to do with them!

[winged tundra]

yeesh, the behavior at cake parties lately has been extremely disappointing from the community ;-; idk whats been in the water lately but the past few ive been to have not been good experiences

[delicate spear]

i think I had a good run this morning

[cinder lynx]

ok i got the sushi recipe and i now cant find it in the cooking area or in my inventory

[reef lynx]

i think it goes automatically in ur quest item pouch and then u have to right click it and read it then u can cook it not too sure though

[cinder lynx]

its not there ):

[delicate spear]

it's not in the quest item pouch or you main pouch?

[reef lynx]

check for a book icon in ur inventory

like this one

[cinder lynx]

Found it, thank you!

[reef lynx]

np glad u finally found it

[cinder lynx]

I was looking for the bottle not a book xD

[cinder comet]

I saw a comment about the steam deck or something. Still drinking coffee lol. I would highly recommend a steam deck or a ROG Ally over the switch if any of you are thinking about hand held gaming.

I play mostly on my ally and it’s significantly better than my switch.

[hollow crescent]

i want a steam deck just cuz i could play other games? but it’ll be a long while xD

[cinder comet]

I would recommend going with the ally or whatever Lenovo just oit ihf

Put out

Steam deck is alright but those 2 perform better imo and have more flexibility

Like my ally came with a steam app installed already

The only thing that’s TERRIBLE about all 3 is battery life lol

[gusty fossil]

ROG Ally and Lenovo go run windows as a Os. Steamdeck uses its own Steam Os.

[cinder comet]

I like just being able to use windows. Makes modding for some games pretty easy too. I haven’t looked into modded steam deck games and I know it’s possible, I just like the path of least resistance.

I think the Lenovo product has the largest screen iirc

[hollow crescent]

[delicate spear]

So my flow tree is mature, but it didn't drop a seed, anyone else have that issue?

[gusty fossil]

When it turns mature the watering prompt disappears for a day and then after that you need to water it 4 or 5 more times for it to be finished and drop a seed.

[delicate spear]

Ohhh okay, thank you

[teal jungle]

Then, when you've got extra mature flow trees, you can throw a Flow Tree Party, aka: your own Grove-chopping party! 😄

(though, I totally use an empty plot for that)

[eager star]

Hi guys, there's a person who seems to be continually harassing a few of my friends who are party hosts in the site app by spam messaging and taking up roles intending to sabotage party. Thoughts on creating a thread under lfg parties to warn others about this person(s)?

i have video and screenshot proof of everything, just wondering if it's against any rules

[grizzled mist]

Report them to the mods seems to be the way to go

[fiery isle]

does the website have a way to report them? I don't think s6 has any control over third party websites, and iirc there's a rule about not naming people on discord to shame them. I'd hope something could be done, but if the website doesn't have a way, idk

[oblique ermine]

hi all, is there any way to display your gemstones or any of some sort?

[eager star]

I have contacted Seline, the party app site creator about improving ban features so they will stop harassing me and other hosts, we'll see how that goes in a few days

[eager star]

I reported but nothing is done yet. Someone said mods is only for discord and not for other stuff.

[eager star]

Wished palia could block people who aren't friends too, i asked the person assigned to my ticket about this but no response yet

[hollow crescent]

they have to be star ⭐️ quality and then you can just click them onto your plot :) careful with foods because you can accidentally eat them but it tells you what button to “place” them

[hollow crescent]

you can block their character in game and it will lower chance to be on same server and you don’t see their chats

[fiery isle]

What Elithesia said, but keep in mind the blocked person can still see YOUR chats (I tested this). I hope that changes someday!

[eager star]

i can't block non-friends :c

[hollow crescent]

they don’t need to be friends you should if you type their name in the search bar click on the … icon iirc and block that way? i’m not on atm and haven’t blocked but i seen that mentioned before

[eager star]

tried, it doesn't work

[oblique ermine]

whats gg on? u encountered someone u want to block?

[grizzled mist]

I've blocked people I definitely wasn't friends with via the server list in game, although two of them automatically blocked another name when I did. Same two names each time I unblocked and blocked again to be sure. It was very weird. Like they were playing on the same account with two names somehow.

[dire kraken]

i've experienced that too. when i check the 'blocked' list the second name isn't there, but when i try to block them it says already blocked.

[grizzled mist]

Yeah i wonder if maybe nicknames are being displayed on the server list as well for some people?

[eager star]

I was harassed by someone in game who imitated a s*xual act using a fishing rod and emote twice during cake parties. I asked him to stop and he persisted. I have recorded videos of it. I went to another station and he came over, continued to hump me with a fishing rod

[dire kraken]

i don't think so... but i also don't know why that happens. might just be a bug

[eager star]

when he did it to someone else, that girl confronted him too and she also mentioned about having ptsd about SA. But he joked and laughed about it and persisted

he claims it's only a video game. He persisted until the host kicked him

i spoke to diff people from diff discord and they all mentioned similar experiences. I alr submitted all evidence to support and awaiting updates

[grizzled mist]

That's definitely reportable, whether he thinks it's harmless or not it's against ToS

[dire kraken]

i'm sorry that happened to you. as far as i know you can only block them through the chat or server list or when you're friends (i think). searching up the name only gives you 'add friend' option. what lake said is probably the best way

[eager star]

his friends rushed into the party app site chat and complained about the host randomly kicking people. One girl asked how can someone SA in game, did he strip? When my friends backed me up in the party app site chat, later on their party page was harassed by the perpetrator's friend. I experienced it today too when i hosted my food party. Said friend kept rushing into the page clicking on roles and spamming messages. When I banned one, multiple side accs comes in.

if palia support does not ban the perpetrator, imma start something in the discord chats, because they said they will investigate my evidence to see if its against their Community Guidelines

[oblique ermine]

what app isit called?

[eager star]

https://paliaparty.app/?selectedTab=myParties -the site were many users use to recruit people for parties

[dire kraken]

paliaparty.app i think it's what they're referring to

[eager star]

currently working with Seline, creator of the site to improve ban features, S6 wouldn't care what went on there so

[grizzled mist]

Naming and shaming in here will only get you in trouble. They're trying to provoke you. Don't let them win. You've gotten your reports in. You've done your part.

[fiery perch]

I would still report to the discord mods, if you end up knowing what their name may be on discord too. So they can at least be, I would hope, banned on discord as well. I know they don't do anything in regards to 3rd party apps, but still.

I hope this gets resolved, because that's very much not okay and I'm sorry that you and your friends have been going through that

[grizzled mist]

I would still make the mods here aware of the situation in case it spills over into places where they can do something about it.

[oblique ermine]

agreed, i think for now just take a break from palia and recover your mental. you've done your part to make the report in.

[eager star]

im just having fun on palia with my friends, and probably wouldn't host parties until changes are made to the palia party site

[eager star]

alright, any mods to recommend?

[dire kraken]

i'm also afraid that the mods will see it as discussion of nsfw topics which isn't allowed here, and i don't want ziyao to get bonked from the discord

[fiery perch]

You can contact the mods via @daring cosmos .

[grizzled mist]

I hope the site can do something to help!

[eager star]

Seline is super helpful and friendly (cries)

she was so nice about the entire situation and saw the chats for herself

[oblique ermine]

okay. for now just try to stick to playing with friends as much as possible and refrain from playing with outsiders for now till the issue is resolved. who knows they might make another account to come and harrass you again 😢

[eager star]

do i contact mods by clicking send message here?

[fiery perch]

Yeah, you send them a msg via discord !

You essentially start a chat/dm with the ModMail bot, and it'll end up going through a ticket system so the mods can take a look at it and get back into contact with you.

[eager star]

Mmmm thanks a lot!

[fiery perch]

I know it's not really the best solution, but at least then they can be aware it's something that's happening, and hopefully keep a lookout to make sure it doesn't happen here. Just anything to help, you know?

Again, I'm very sorry that you and your friends have been dealing with that. that's just not okay. I really hope it gets figured out and resolved

[spice seal]

You could also reach out to one of the mods here and ask if you can send a dm if that makes you more comfortable.
So sorry that happened to you, I really hope everything gets worked out so you can feel safe playing the game

[eager star]

hugs I hope no one else experiences this because everyday i see messages of new people responding to my chats saying they experienced the same and it's frustrating

[oblique ermine]

hope it helps and hope you don't go through that ever again! really praying it did not affect your mental.

[eager star]

nah it takes more than that to affect me mentally, I just wanna make sure it doesn't happen to others and I want to protect my friends

[past timber]

I was hoping we might have heard about a patch today, Who will even announce it now...

[fleet adder]

Should we assume that there is no future content being released for palia

[hollow crescent]

nope! assume there will be until otherwise stated by S6 themselves, game is still here so enjoy it :)

[tawny void]

It is a beta afterall (if my memory is correct?? I saw that somewhere?)

Just popped in here since I need to gush about this-

I don’t usually go into romance things in games since it never interests me but I can’t resist my curiosity but I just gave jel chocolates and AA THIS MANS REACTION!!

What his says and his animation just- stole my heart then he already did (he’s exactly my type-)

[vagrant star]

You're right about it being beta, though it's not very advertised for some reason. Also, glad you like the romance!

(Also, hello fellow Skykid!)

[tawny void]

Oh hello hello!

Jels nickname for you just 🥺🥺🥺🥺

He’s everything I love and am attracted to no joke

[dire river]

https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1144039938904576030
Here you go, doll, swoon all you want

[misty goblet]

Is there established etiquette for disco deer hunting? I had someone get mad at me the other day for shooting one with a slowdown arrow instead of a dispel arrow because it ran away but then yesterday someone else got mad at me for shooting one with a dispel arrow because it died too quickly for them to hit it.

[clear ingot]

I can't believe I have to make this PSA, but if you have flow trees on your plot, please be careful who is allowed on your plot.
I am growing an array of fts on a separate plot and didn't realize that it was set to friends. My only acorn ft was chopped by someone while I was afk.

[tawny void]

Someone got mad at mean for getting the last shot (when it was the only shot i got onto it) so I’d think what your doing is fine, people shouldn’t get upset about your arrow type

[tight mist]

I saw a post about layoffs at S6 and now I’m so stressed not knowing if Palia will be around much longer

Like I just recently got into it and I love it so I’m really hoping it lasts

[pearl wave]

don't worry about what people's says or do in palia, anyone will get mad at anything for some reasons. I will just keep playing however u want ^^

[pearl wave]

it's all good, s6 is still working on palia.

[ember parrot]

Same happened to me

[modern rock]

i would say no unless you AGREED to hunt in a group then you should definitely try to let everyone get a hit in. and don't fire at it from miles away because you'll almost certainly miss and turn the hunt into one enormous chase scene across the map.

the disco deer respawns almost immediately after being killed so it's not that big a deal to miss out on one kill. people should just switch servers if they are not happy with how people are hunting on their current server

[clear ingot]

I was just so stunned that someone would do that?! Like I thought ppl couldn't chop trees unless they had editorial permissions? But apparently anyone can

[tight mist]

Thank goodness !

[placid hemlock]

I heard you could get plushies from hunting? How does that work and from what animals can you get them? Cant find anything on the wiki about it

[modern rock]

only the sernuks atm - there's one plushie for each type of sernuk. just kill loads of them, the drop chance is pretty low

[placid hemlock]

Ah okay, ty! Do you know the drop rates by chance aswell? Havent gotten one yet

[tight mist]

I joined a group that was chopping flow trees and what they did was do one chop on each tree than when everyone did their chop they went around and chopped them all down so everyone got some loot

[modern rock]

0.1% for normal or elder sernuk plush, 1% for the proudhorn sernuk plush

[placid hemlock]

Thxx!

[tight mist]

Holy smokes that’s rare !

[misty goblet]

wow that's a lot better than I thought it was

[modern rock]

of course your own results can vary a lot, i've mostly been way luckier than that but i had to kill something like 1750-2000 elder sernuks for my first elder sernuk plush

[misty goblet]

1% is a ridiculously good drop rate in mmo terms lmao

[brisk valve]

I thought you had to specifically set people to editors to be allowed to chop trees on your plot?

[clear ingot]

I thought so too, but the tree was gone when I got back and someone in the chat said "ty" in nearby

[pearl wave]

what the...

[clear ingot]

I blocked them after cause they were on my friends list

My acorn tree was the only one small enough to be chopped by a single person. Idk if they didn't know that I didn't want it chopped, or what. I'm upset though cause it was the only acorn tree I had

[pearl wave]

no i feel like that shouldn't have happened? cuz i tried looking if anyone have this issue online and found nothing rip..

[pearl wave]

i can give u acorn seed if u want scarlatte

[clear ingot]

I would appreciate that, but you don't have to 😭

[pearl wave]

i want tooo

[clear ingot]

Thank you! 💖

[pearl wave]

added, hime kitsu is a name

just request and i will give ^^

[clear ingot]

Added you c: and requested. Thank you so much I really appreciate it! 😭💖

[pearl wave]

it's not saying u did, maybe server synced with me rq?

[clear ingot]

I'm on switch so I might need to restart my game rq

[pearl wave]

ah okay ^^

oh u meant flow acorn, oops i don't have that 😭

[clear ingot]

Oh that's okay! I appreciate you trying to help!

[pearl wave]

I will suggest keeping that up anyway and hopefully someone get to it and or if u find another seed.

[olive carbon]

I have a flow oak that's about to be mature and give a seed, and if it is today I can send the seed your way!

[pearl wave]

[olive carbon]

I'll log on now and just afk at my FT plot so it grows

[clear ingot]

I really don't know how it happened. My husband told me ppl aren't supposed to be able to without Editor permission, but it's definitely gone. :/ I don't want to report them because I don't think they had ill intentions

[fiery perch]

I'd check your other plots to be on the safe side, cuz i know sometimes they can "teleport/disappear" and appear on a diff plot

[olive carbon]

This is true, it could have blooped to another plot during its growth spurt, mine do that nearly every time they level up so to speak, and I have to load my ft plot up to re-stick em

[clear ingot]

I did check my other plots 😦

[olive carbon]

Naurrrrr

[fiery perch]

Dang :( I was hoping that might of made it suddenly appear for ya

[olive carbon]

Report it as a bug at the very least, in my opinion.

[pearl wave]

^^^

[olive carbon]

I have heard of this happening as a bug for normal trees too fyi, just haven't heard much in this regard since the FT update

Also if you need flow seeds and someone in here can't get you one, there is a charity fair thread that you could post your request in and someone might be able to help you with faster!
#1165767164175863939

[clear ingot]

I will report it as a bug. Thank you all so much for your help!

[olive carbon]

I'll ping you when I get a seed still if you'd like, just to be sure you got one!

[clear ingot]

I would appreciate that! Thank you! I'll let you know if I get one though

[raven linden]

Sometimes my trees migrate across plots, make sure its not hiding on a different plot

[clear ingot]

I did and is definitely gone:/

[raven linden]

ah never mind, you already checked ❤️

i had to give my friends editor, else they could not hit the trees. So its deffo strange

[pearl wave]

[clear ingot]

I've been having a lot of bug issues on my plot 😦

Idk if that's why or what.

I just tested with my husband and he couldn't chop any of my trees. Wtf 😭😭

[pearl wave]

is it possible that its may not bugged and someone cheated?

[clear ingot]

Maybe?

Someone fulfilled my acorn request

[pearl wave]

awesome! ^^

[clear ingot]

I'm reporting it. I don't know if it's a bug or they're cheating, but yeah

[brisk valve]

Do the weekly challenges reset even if you only partially did it? eg not catching 30 fish but still catching some

[soft burrow]

i think it's a blanket reset no matter how much of it you did!!

[brisk valve]

oh, well it didn't lol

[soft burrow]

huh, that's strange, i wonder if it is meant to be that way or a bug. i thought it was supposed to reset entirely each week

[brisk valve]

so did I. I've only recently got level 10 mining and fishing and hunting, they're the ones I didn't fully complete last week and they're still at 19/30 fish, 11/30 creatures, 4/10 precious metal etc etc

[soft burrow]

i'd be curious to know what happens if you went out and tried to complete one of them

[brisk valve]

I did. I caught one fish and it told me I completed a the challenge and gave me 30 medals

[soft burrow]

well thats nice then i g uess LOL

[winged tundra]

do yall think theyll up the flower limit next patch

[clear ingot]

I hope so. 500 not enough lol

Weekly challenges don't do a full reset. If you made progress the previous week it does carry over

[bright ledge]

its never blanket reset i have 1 flow tree count still from months ago

[delicate spear]

is the bug catures lure worth it?

[final trellis]

Yes even if you get the same bug still get money for them. Tho different times of day in game gives you different bugs and location too

[nocturne lagoon]

It's a good time killer if you're at a grove waiting for it to be chopped.
This can also help with the "catch bugs together" weekly achievement.

[olive carbon]

They only reset if you completed the weeks accomplishments previously. If you only partially did them, they retain your progress and you only get the medals for the one week. They did it on purpose to force more weekly usage, hence the term "weeklies," I know this is true specifically because I sometimes don't get the fishing ones done and I've observed this happen for a while now, at least since I've been paying attention

[fiery isle]

it's always worked that way - if it's completed it resets at weekly reset, otherwise you retain your progress

[lavish ferry]

[misty goblet]

why don't other Majiri judge Badruu for abandoning his path like Reth?

[fierce bay]

i think cause he married inti it

[gritty socket]

Did he abandon his Path, though? I know he wanted to be / was a bard (the lore's... inconsistent), but I don't think he ever said he declared it as his Path explicitly

[misty goblet]

well he definitely didn't declare as a farmer

he was a travelling bard so I assume that was his path

[gritty socket]

Badruu's backstory is... inconsistent: https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1138478317499072603

Or, at least it was; it may have been fixed up in recent patches

[misty goblet]

I've never gotten dialogue about him growing up next to Delaila so they probably did patch it

[gritty socket]

It could be, or it could just be that you haven't rolled the dialogue yet

[signal kayak]

i'm looking at Badruu's conversations that are listed on Paliawiki. Under the Friendship level 3 or higher, it says "You know, I don't really like my Path as a farmer. The act of growing and raising food doesn’t really bring me joy the way it does for Delaila or Nai'o."

It also mentions in another section that Badruu went to City Hall and heard Kenyatta humming one of his old songs when he performed in Bahari City

[gritty socket]

Yeah, It kinda supports the read that he was in fact a bard that never declared his path until he settled down back in Kilima

But again, IDK if they ever did get a chance to look over all of that for continuity

[signal kayak]

yeah, i was just looking through Delaila's conversations to see if she mentions anything about badruu before he married her, but it's not complete for the friendship level 3-4

[zenith quartz]

The fact that it is SO HARD to target one of them to just talk is so frustrating. Why is Hussain just riding Tau's back for 4 hours? lmao

[slender crown]

Hey. I remember that you gave me a good gold making strategy when I was just a pauper in a tent. It worked really well!

[high plinth]

I noticed this after they "fixed" the cosmetic pets. Guess Tau got fixed too!

[dire river]

No more Plumepuppies, how sad

[lime mirage]

Looks like we won't have a new update any time soon now. Should have been today Tuesday. 😦
The remaining devs must be under intense pressure! They have my sympathy. Please guys, make this beautiful game survive investors greed.

[pearl wave]

its only 3am? im not sure

[mossy maple]

But... but I don't like any of these activities. I like mining and making furniture. Heavy focus on mining.

[nocturne lagoon]

Even if it's not a content update, I hope they put out a "future of Palia" post soon!

[gentle nexus]

Last time they didn’t share the update till 6pm uk time which is not for another 7 hours, I’m holding hope.

[feral cobalt]

As far as any bad news goes.

[remote latch]

I always wait until the end of the week. Sometimes the updates have happened later in the week, especially if they're busy. But with the current situation I won't be surprised for a delay, at least for the information being posted.

[narrow oyster]

I'm guessing update will happen by the time they announce sticker winner, which is the 24th or 25th depending on timezones

[swift token]

They made a post that included not pressuring themselves to keep to a certain schedule.

https://palia.com/news/dev-update-6

"Rather than try to stick to a fixed monthly post, we figured: let’s share these updates when it makes sense. So whether that’s one update in a while, or several in a row, we didn’t want to be beholden to a self-imposed guideline."

[warm bronze]

I wish we had lunchboxes in Palia for food items and more plots for farming. I have hundreds of seeds I need to plant and not enough patches to plant them in 😭

[swift token]

A separate bag for food would be great!!

[narrow oyster]

If only they at least share a substantial teaser of what they're including in the next update instead of being real quiet about it

[swift token]

Like other than the 2 story houses and such?

It is labeled as "In The Future" though so, yeah..

[narrow oyster]

I mean which ones actually come with the next update so we can get hyped up

Even if they'e already been teased way before, it'd still feel nice to know that they're actually coming soon

[swift token]

Ah, understood!✨

We've gotten 3 out of 6 from the "In The Future" post, so hopefully one of the others will come with the next update... whenever that is ready.

[narrow oyster]

New housing blueprint and building blocks will definitely be a game changer Everyone will be really excited if any of those is arriving

Although, simple updates such as increase in decor/flower limit are also always welcomed

[swift token]

If they give the building blocks, it would make sense to up the decor limit.

They would quite literally be asking us to "build, build, build", lol.

[lime mirage]

In the future? I need to set a date on the Dolorean. 2025, 2055, 2085 ?

[grizzled mist]

I'm secretly hoping it will work like base building did in city of heroes!

[spring glen]

My 3rd idea ! More new pets

[swift token]

I'm not familiar with that game, unfortunately.

Do you have any examples?

[grizzled mist]

I wish I had some, but everything is on an old hard drive. Basically we used various items to stack and build all sorts of things. Stairs, shelves, counters, etc. It really made you think outside the box!

You could then remove support items from the bottom to have elevated platforms and things like that

[loud axle]

Y'all got the memo that they laid off the person responsible for typing up the patch notes as well as a major chunk of their staff, right? 😅

I'm sure there will be another update eventually but I'm sure there's still some scrambling going on trying to restructure things and get the machine back in working order.

[fiery perch]

Just wanting to say Hey Roan, hope youre well

And yeah, there's definitely still some restructure they're needing to do before getting things back in order haha. We'll see how things go from here, I suppose.

[loud axle]

Hiya ValkOrii! Having a good day so far, just catching up on my reading! 🤣 How about you?

[lyric night]

next update should be next tuesday, one of the palia partners posted their excitement reacting to a patchnotes preview already so I guess they found someone else for the job
"19 pages long, Palia changes"

[fiery perch]

I'm doing alright! Lurking and reading the palia discord like I usually do nowadays this morning. And Finishing up on the 2nd Psych movie! ..which actually just rolled the credits lmao!

And looking forward to making dinner tonight Glad to hear you're doing well! 💛

[swift token]

Yeah! Everything that was said was a "hope".

We have an article above that talked about how updates wouldnt be on a schedule anymore.

Here it is - https://palia.com/news/dev-update-6

[teal palm]

For the community, is there a limit on people to join?

[swift token]

25, iirc.

[teal palm]

Thank you

[heady arch]

My worry is... if the updates take longer, less people will play, less people will buy outfits, and they might lose even more people :'') it's like a vicious cycle.

[swift token]

Anything is possible💐

[heady arch]

I don't wanna be a doomsayer and i believe they will get through this tough patch and Palia will be as successful as it deserves. I just wish there was some more information for us players, and not just hopes and maybes. I prefer a straight "Next patch will be two months delayed" over "Hopefully we have another update very soon", you know? :3

[swift token]

That would definitely be nice!

They likely need some more time to figure things out.

I don't think you're a doomsayer. Worry is normal!

I'm fine with hoping for now. If sadness is in store, then I'll cross that bridge when we come to it, lol.

[polar elbow]

I think the "less people will buy outfits" part is moreso: A) a pricing problem and B) a versatility problem (as in, not being able to mix and match sets well at all because the color options are so limited)

also, paywalling 99% of non-default cosmetics (and 100% of pets) with the other 1% being limited time promotions that probably won't ever happen again.... is all but certain to deter cosmetic-lovers from even wanting to try the game :X
I know a lot of people who were curious about palia, looked into it, and as soon as they saw "no earnable cosmetics whatsoever" they decided right then that they had no interest in the game at all.

[fiery perch]

Hey, by any chance, do you have a source for that at all? Because I'd love to also see it myself (or hear it, if it's via vod!). Genuinely curious! Meant to ask earlier but forgot to hit enter oops

[lyric night]

they posted a tiktok about it, I can send the link to u via dm I guess, posting it here would probably fall under promoting

[fiery perch]

Yes please!

[gentle nexus]

Hmm I’d be surprised if they only put it on TikTok and not other socials or discord.

[hollow crescent]

think is that’s not s6 themselves so we will probably see it later

[warm bronze]

I JUST SPENT 980 GARDEN GUILD COINS ON A GARDEN DECORATION THAT DOES NOTHING? 😭

[lyric night]

it was nothing posted by S6, the content creators get an early preview of Patchnotes etc.
and one of these partners posted their reaction reading through it

[polar elbow]

To add to this, I think a few well-placed earnable cosmetics scattered here and there would do wonders to keep people playing.
Even moreso when you consider that when someone gets a cool new shirt, or new pants, or even a hat, they're naturally going to look for something that looks good with it... which means that they either:
A) continue playing in order to obtain some other earnable outfit (retention) or
B) look to the cash shop and see if anything matches that cool clothing piece they just earned (spending $$$)
or both of the above

[grizzled mist]

I just can't justify the expense when I often only like one piece of the outfit.

If they split them up they would have my money so easily

[dim shale]

RENOWN CAP RAISE!! lets GOO!! please don't automod me i'm very excited

[polar elbow]

that too, or at least have a "pick any 3 pieces" deal where you could pick, say, the antlers from soothsayer, the rogue shirt, and sky captain pants or whatever combination of outfit pieces you might like

[dire kraken]

the update sounds amazing i can't wait

[fiery perch]

This may sound blunt, I apologize but in seriously::
More pets? Why? Do they not remember what happened last time? Because I'm assuming they'll all be paid. There needs/should be a free option too

on the plus side: im happy to see caps being raised & hotpot being a perm. thing now

[polar elbow]

I'm really sad to see that they're doubling down on the "f2p don't get to have any pets" nonsense tbh
unless they happen to surprise us all in the actual patch notes with some other surprise pet reveal, but I have zero expectations of that actually happening 😔

[lyric night]

they always said pets will not be for free bcs they are purely cosmetic
and ppl wanted more pet options idk, I'm totally fine with that.

[fiery perch]

Then I don't see an issue with having 1 free option, and the rest that you pay for, are "skins". esp since that means they could explore future pet options/interactions

[raven orbit]

So...after everything they're again making pets paid? Please listen to players telling you what they want. Doubling down on adding more paid things doesn't fix WHY players aren't buying stuff and one of the biggest reasons, aside from the prices, has been that people dislike that there are no options for free players /gen

[dire kraken]

i see no problem with that because they had never shown intention to make cosmetics free

[carmine gyro]

HALLELULAH

[shadow echo]

so what we thinking of all the new stuff ?

(i'm grump about one thing and one thing only, the more valuable Chests, when i washed those up months ago)

[delicate spear]

I am super happy, easier to make gold, crafting resources down and increased. The only thing I don't like is clothing is still locked behind a pay wall. But I get it

[carmine gyro]

economy wise positive, premium wise probably negative. It's good they are diversifying premium stuff but at what price? Everything really needs to go down or they need frequent 50%+ sales.

[grizzled mist]

Anything that tones down the grind I've been stuck in is fine by me

[shadow echo]

i'm very happy for the fish value bump, what with the master fish grind i've been in, i can tell you that gold cap is gonna get blown real quick

[fiery perch]

The fact pets are still only Paywalled isn't great. It's why I genuinely am sitting here, asking (rhetorically) if they don't remember what happened last time-- esp since it's still something that gets brought up.

They mentioned in the past they wanted to implement pet features-- which I do realize that could of changed by now but still-- so it kinda makes me feel like that definitely has changed and isn't in the future. I really wish they would just make a very standard palcat of some kind, for free, and then the ones in the premium could of been skins. That way it still opens up to more "pet features" as a possibility.

And again, I am glad about the positives though at least-- hotpot staying, looks like theyre trying to look at the balance w/ gold gain, etc. And happy about caps being raised-- that's great! im happy about that.

[dry swift]

The majority of the updates seem pretty good for the game. I didn't think gems were that oppressive of a money maker, especially after being nerfed multiple times. I'm fairly disappointed we couldn't get a hot pot game for our house as well as them not mentioning anything about increasing the chest storage cap or introducing better chests.

[raven orbit]

I feel like, especially after everything, you should be wanting to boost your players morale and listen to their feedback. Why continue appealing to whales instead of doing what so many players has told you would actually make them buy?

I mean there's no reason why free players shouldn't get at least a basic pet or a new cosmetic around events to celebrate, just feels like they don't think those players are important when they're the backbone of the game /gen

[old dirge]

Basically Dev Update #8 is a preview/highlight for patch 0.180 patch notes (details would come in the patch notes)
General Changes

• Gold and Renown limits will be raised
• Drops for Flow-Infused Wood will be raised
• The cost to unlock the Copper Storage Recipe will be reduced
• Treasure Chests found in the world will have better rewards to help out new players as they explore
• Over half of existing Workbench recipes have been revisited, with about 85% having reduced requirements (though some were increased as well)
• The craft times for Gold and Silver Bars have been reduced from hours down to minutes
• Trees now have a chance to drop Amber, which can be sold as a high-value item
• The sell value for many Uncommon/Rare/Legendary items will increase for most skills
• HotPot in the underground

Housing Changes

• Several building add-ons will take significantly less time to build — think within a Palian day, not real-life time.
• Players will receive building add-ons as rewards for reaching initial Furniture-Making Levels
• This applies retroactively as well through rewards in the Mail
• Building Blocks - Create unique structures with blocks, ramps, pillars, walls, and more!
• Grand Harvest House - The regular Harvest House not cutting it for you? Unlock an upgraded version with this building!
• Pavers - Creating winding roads and charming lanes with a variety of shapes and materials.

Gardening Changes

• The cost to purchase Gardening Plots have been reduced
• Players will receive some seeds for reaching initial Gardening Levels

Premium Changes

• While the Palcats have taken the spotlight for a while now, expect more pets to be added in the future. This includes the upcoming FlutterFox pet!
• There are five types you can choose from: Leafy, Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter.
• Introducing Tool Skins! We plan on adding three to start out: Spring Sakura, Empyreal, and Leafy Weave.

[lyric night]

chest storage upgrade will very likely only happen once they add a new zone, 10k for now is enough

[delicate spear]

Or instead of making the game free, maybe do a pay thing? 25 dollars or something? They'd make a good amount of money with the amount of people playing

[dry swift]

I'd be all for players getting a free pet at some point; even if it's just a pet rock 🙂

[gentle nexus]

But nothing to spend it on…

[pearl wave]

Just be happy that they are updating us now

[fiery perch]

Also, the lack of accessibility being mentioned kinda makes me sad. I just hope there's something there that just didn't get marked down in the notes-- unless I missed something (which is possible! I do struggle to process info sometimes.)

[old dirge]

well it is now with the ammo pouch, imo but im a hoarder

[fiery perch]

Can be happy but also have feedback and critique!

[dim shale]

True but I don't mind at all if the cap increase is substantial enough tbh

[pearl wave]

It's just seem like there will be some people who unsatisfied that all x.x

[dim shale]

I just want to be able to play the video game again

[carmine gyro]

well they don't mention what the new stuff maybe be purchased with, that will ikely come in the patch notes

[polar elbow]

"Something we value a lot for Palia is allowing players to play how you want to play. "

this feels like empty words when you still have to do pretty much everything to complete the bundles, etc though :/
There's a lot of people who find certain activities inaccessible for one reason or another, I don't think those people should be outright barred from being able to progress in the game considering that trading isn't a thing

[delicate spear]

There will always be people who are unhappy. You cannot please everyone

[fiery perch]

Again, there can be good things to see, but also some stuff that we might not be happy with. It happens. Like... There are def some positives. I don't' think anybody can deny that ... but there' also some stuff that (for me) is negative, disappointing, confusing, etc, and give feedback based on such, too.

[old dirge]

gunna spend it on coins to eventually get that bee plushie

[raven orbit]

Also there's once again no mention of accessibility. Between the refusal to give free players options, there's a clear disregard for accessibility. Honestly, it's hard to believe that they even want Disabled players playing the game because they genuinely don't seem to care. /gen

[pearl wave]

I'm just happy that they're continue to develops

[dire kraken]

there's actually no requirement to do the bundles though. it doesn't even change gameplay

[full plank]

iirc theres a storyline tied to it but i see your point!

[dry swift]

S6 should still heavily consider allowing free trade of resources between players. I don't see how having a bartering economy could really hurt the game.

[raven orbit]

The patch is stuff that has been developed for months btw, it's not stuff they've made post-layoff /gen

[old dirge]

feels like unlocking the nightsky temple will fit into the main story in the future though

[fiery perch]

Finishing the first bundle actually does (imo). You also get stuff for completing the bundles.

You can't get ||the ancient fish|| without finishing the first bundle, for example.

[delicate spear]

I think they should make the game not free anymore and have people buy it. Maybe that way they can lower the prices on premium items

[raven orbit]

Personally, I wouldn't buy it in this state. Especially not if they continue to only have paid cosmetics and still is an inaccessible mess /gen

[carmine gyro]

i would suspect most of the stuff for the full release has been developed. It's mainly the balance patches in between that will be worked upon more recently

[dire kraken]

the first bundle is probably an exception, but if someone isn't even interested in fishing ||the ancient fish|| it wouldn't matter. i see the bundles as being challenges the player can complete, but not a requirement

[old dirge]

bait and switch doesn't tend to go well though so it could very easily backfire significantly to do that (they don't have the disney cache to pull it off)

[delicate spear]

Isn't the bundles apart of the main story? So they're techinally required?

[gentle nexus]

The last bundle is key if you want flow trees on your plot

[raven orbit]

The bundles and temples are literally part of the story though, which makes them not being accessible even worse /gen

[dry swift]

If S6 gave us some sort of community polling system to give feedback that would be easily accesible to everyone in-game and incentivized us to use it, as well as giving us more transparency on their roadmap I'd be happy to pay a single-cost for the game.

[celest maple]

I literally didn’t buy Dreamlight Valley for this exact reason.

[brisk spruce]

"we have groves at home"
groves at home without the last bundle: 🦗

[fiery perch]

And that's okay that you don't view it was a requirement, however, there are many people who do. Which is why it makes it not great that they're inaccessible for some. And you also get actual items by doing them-- it isn't like zeki coins similar to the tower (i believe that's what you get?).

[dire kraken]

so y'all want to lower the difficulty of the bundles?

[delicate spear]

Probably not, but people will still complain no matter what they do so 🤷

[fiery perch]

Lowering the difficulty isn't the same as making it accessible!

Some form of trading would help, for example.

[delicate spear]

Literally nobody said that

[cinder comet]

Maybe a toxic thought but I’d be okay with player ran markets and chalk it up@to being a farmers market

[raven orbit]

Fishing is a heavily inaccessible skill to Disabled players. 98% of the bundles require fishing. There is no way for players who can't fish to complete those bundles. /gen

[celest maple]

It should have a max limit like in animal crossing pocket camp so the economy doesn’t go to poop

[fiery perch]

My concept was always having an area to put up your own stalls, similar to a flea market. And if they're worried about people putting up their own price-- the price could be similar to Zeki's sell price (just increased a bit since youre spending your own time), and a limited amount of things you could sell per day or something.

[cinder comet]

Time to sell plushies for a million gold.

[fiery perch]

Like seriously, it would help with the accessibility part-- could help with creativity if you could decorate your stall to your liking, not to mention, filling it with what you'd want-- AND!! the community aspect.

[cinder comet]

The pocket camp styke@would work. Also uhh. What’s the other game I used to play. Shop titans.

[carmine gyro]

They would be in the hundreds of thousands at least, giving the cost of Zeki coins

[cinder comet]

In shop titans there’s a max and a min for every item sold in the markets.

[raven orbit]

It also would be an actual MMO feature instead of parallel play /gen

[bleak aspen]

Can you give some more details on how this isn't accessible?

[soft estuary]

Will we be able to marry, have kids and stuff? And have livestock? D:

[celest maple]

I like the bundles as they are even if not completed, it’s like a bigger achievement for better items tbh.

[cinder comet]

Kids and marriage I can’t see happening for a LONG time imo but livestock I don’t think is a far off idea tbh.

[dire kraken]

a player market could be interesting, i think the game is still lacking in player to player interaction. it could be another source of gold for people as well and make the game far more cooperative

[cinder comet]

Market with a controlled economy could solve a lot of issues

[delicate spear]

That's what I've been saying, they want it to be an MMO but made it a single player game with like 1 mmo aspect

[magic meteor]

I for one would LOVE a player market. Something like the Auction House from WoW but less..toxic. Like instead of putting things up for gold, you put up a ruby in the hopes that someone has an emerald for you. Or someone’s looking for spicy pepper seeds and they’re giving cotton seeds.

[raven orbit]

For example, 98% of the bundles require the fishing skill. The fishing skill is one of the most heavily inaccessible skills in the game. so any Disabled players (like myself) who can't do that skill cannot complete almost every bundle. /gen

[turbid nebula]

I'm just super excited for pavers lol

[lusty light]

like trading pokemon

[cinder comet]

Same I refused to make butcher block paths

[old dirge]

Like has been repeatedly suggested to them and is successfully modeled by other mmos? the sort of thing they'd need CMs for? nah...

[fiery perch]

I'll give an example-- Fishing for me is inaccessible. I struggle to hold down my mosue button due to my disabilitie(s). It ends up being actual painful, and I have no toher ways to get said fish for the bundles. I know there are people who struggle with focusing on the bobber and seeing where it's moving, along with moving it side to side due to mobility issues.

Some of the cooking minigames are also difficult-- but I will at least say, I can at least have help from a friend with this. But it does suck for those who might be doing more solo gameplay (which is valid imo!).

Same goes for Bug Hunting-- holding the button gets painful after a while!

[magic meteor]

YES

[celest maple]

Fishing in Palia is so much easier than a lot of games, Animal Crossing New Horizons being one of those games.

[raven orbit]

Player market would be nice too if they *finally * listen to feedback and give a tailoring skill. Players could trade outfits /gen

[loud axle]

Thought we were finally getting player trading

[dry swift]

I'd love players being able to exchange resources like fish for ore. It encourages players to stick to what activity they love most without lacking enough resources to develop their plot.

[magic meteor]

I WOULD LOVE TO BE A TAILOR

[fiery perch]

no we got more pets instead /lighthearted

But also same, it would of been interesting

[celest maple]

Ah, I sent it at the same time as you explained the fishing issue.

[raven orbit]

It wouldn't be a patch if there wasn't multiple new paid things lol /gen

[cinder comet]

Partied plush hunting with shared looot is a plus

[fiery perch]

Having Fishing be more of a toggle would help with it. Or making it almost more of an "AFK" system-- pretty much same with the toggle, and it'd take the same amount of time it normally would to catch fish, so it didn't seem like an "advantage" that some ppl worry about (which is a valid concern!).

[delicate spear]

What else can they do tho? You have to work for the fish9ng aspect and they already make fishing easy unlike other games ||stardew||

[meager glen]

They are definitely making changes in the right direction but game desperately needs some fun game play loops. More things like the tower

[cinder comet]

Sun havens fishing is terrible lol

[raven orbit]

It's inaccessible. There's no "working" at fishing if you're Disabled. /gen

[fiery perch]

I actually prefer Sun Haven's over Stardews, personally! i dont have to keep tap tap tapping

[carmine gyro]

You earned 1/3 of a plushie!

[gentle nexus]

Ans stardew valley

[delicate spear]

Coral islands isn't fun either lol

[cinder comet]

I think coral islands is easier than all 3

[dire kraken]

i think a market would take months of development though - and i notice they only announce new features that will come out in 1/2 months. there is still hope that it's a feature that is in development, just not yet to be announced (crossing my fingers)

[raven orbit]

Coral Islands is very inaccessible as well /gen

[delicate spear]

Coral islands confuses me so I lose fish a lot of the time

[loud axle]

I don't find fishing in Palia difficult, just boring as all get out. I hate standing in the same spot for extended periods of time.

[fiery perch]

😳 did I get @'d here and it get removed immeidatley or was my discord being weird

[cinder comet]

Im@sorry yall getting auto modded i can see it lol.

[loud axle]

Relying on RNG for something you already can't stand doing is terrible too.

[cinder comet]

You’re being auto modded for ‘skill issue’ because unfortunately people use that as an insult.

[fiery perch]

Oh, yes. The RNG without a proper pity system gets... very exhausting. Mentally and physically.

[magic meteor]

My take on it is that S6 has or had a lot of former blizzard employees and most of blizzards games have some sort of player market baked into them. WoW is notorious for the auction house.

[cinder comet]

Might I suggest skill deficit

[raven orbit]

Fishing being inaccessible wouldn't be as frustrating if the RNG wasn't pointless and poorly designed, in my opinion /gen

[lusty light]

skill diff

[delicate spear]

^this, I was only able to do it because I focused on one fish. But I feel like getting the ||ancient fish|| I am not gonna bother to do cause I'm not gonna stand and be bored for hours and wasting glow worms

[scenic hinge]

Got the same feeling for that as for Animal Crossing.
I also wish the gameplay patterns would change and be more complex for cooking (like some cooking mama) because it’s very messy and repetitive and not very rewarding

[loud axle]

I loved finding rare bugs because I could actively see them while roaming the map. Fishing is just... Fish it up and see what you got 🤷‍♂️

[celest maple]

Fishing in Palia is easier than AC. I have to close my eyes to catch rare fish in AC cuz otherwise it’s a flop.

[meager glen]

If they were to do a market I would like to see them add in a feature that i despise in lost ark but might work here. Only able to use the market if you have market coins which you could buy with renown

[pearl wave]

I don't have problem with fishing imo

[slow sand]

More decorating options! > Yaay!
I am at plot placement limit... > Big sad

[raven orbit]

It's impossible for me without physical pain /gen

[little spade]

Just wanna affirm folks that can't fish due to disabilities. That other games are harder doesn't make the accessibility issues less impactful in Palia & pointing out that it's better than other games or that you personally don't struggle is really insensitive to those who are saying they can't fully participate in the game.

[inner grove]

can I ask why your messages end in "/gen"? I haven't seen this before, and I would like to understand it. A quick google didn't help either

[scenic hinge]

So it’s even more… boring… I have no idea how to improve that, tho. But clearly when I start fishing, I can discuss on discord at the same time and listen to stuff, if not i’m bored haha

[raven orbit]

It means genuine so people know I'm talking in good faith /gen

[spark pawn]

Same I share that pain all my star gem stones get put in storage now and it makes me sad

[hallow haven]

No flower amount increase

[old dirge]

tone indicators! most people know /s but there's a bunch - it helps with clearing up intent/tone since it's hard to get from text
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_indicator

[pearl wave]

Ok? I wish they have accessible for deaf people as well

[celest maple]

Fair point.

[loud axle]

The easiest way for them to do a market without worrying about gold sellers and such is just item:item trading. They then directly control the economy as well, because I could only trade an item worth 500 gold for some item(s) equivalent to (around) 500 gold as well.

[polar elbow]

A lot of people like to assume that "accessibilty" means making things braindead easy.
It's better to consider accessibility as being offered multiple options to accomplish the same thing.

An example of this would be: "you can turn in a unicorn fish -OR- a ruby" for that given entry in the bundle
instead of just saying "you have to fish up a unicorn fish, if you can't fish, too bad"

Or, alternatively, they could take a page out of stardew valley's joja route and just let you pay some large sum of gold as an alternative option to any given bundle item

[pearl wave]

I'm not being insensitive and I hope developers makes accessible much easier soon

[brisk spruce]

they actually do have some accessibility for deaf people, that's why the lights do a little flicker at specific hours of the day (when the chimes happen)

[magic meteor]

That’s what I was suggesting. That would be an amazing addition to the game.

[fiery perch]

Accessibility can help anybody and everybody, and are usually, and should be imo, optional. Options are great.

[raven orbit]

Accessibility is about options, which unfortunately the only one we have doesn't actually work /gen

[pearl wave]

Where do I enable that then?

[inner grove]

Thank you for explaining! /gen 🙂

[brisk spruce]

it happens for everybody, by default

not saying there isn't more accessibility they could add for deaf people, I'm just saying they didn't ignore them entirely

[meager glen]

I didnt even think or gold sellers. I was thinking of uses for renown because raising the limits for a currency that is fairly useless after the first month of playing is kinda pointless

[delicate spear]

It's not being insensitive, it's not our fault some people can't do it.

[old dirge]

curb cut effect + making the code more translatable and maintainable = greater user base & retention but slowly

[slow sand]

Problem with having multiple item options means less options overall for bundles though, and when you look at it overall, there aren't actually that many unique rare items in the game.

Accessibilty is definitely important, but surely there's better ways for fishing? Is it the movements that make it difficult? I've never had issues with fishing, I find I can only mine for so long though!

[scenic hinge]

I would absolutely love that tbh
Perhaps accept a 10-15% difference in gold value, like for a 100gold item, you can trade it against 85 or 115 gold worth, just so it can be a tiny bit flexible in choice and not be stuck because there is a 2 gold difference or something. But trading would be so incredibly cool!!

[meager glen]

It sucks for people that struggle with activities but making them have no interaction doesnt work either. You take an activity and remove all the activity from it.

[slow sand]

I think 1 to 1 trading based on rarity would be a great feature, but you can only trade for something you have owned like the request system. Otherwise it circumnavigates the unlocks. Regarding furniture, ofc.

[tropic nimbus]

Okay quick Question.. Are we romancing everyone ..?

[loud axle]

No, that defeats the entire purpose of trading.

S6 has long talked about how you can "play the way you want to play" and that isn't the case. The game should not force you into doing anything you don't want.

[dire kraken]

wouldn't that be pointless and make the request system redundant?

[magic meteor]

yes

[raven orbit]

No one has ever said remove bundles entirely. They can make them, and the skills that are inaccessible, accessible. /gen

[delicate spear]

This, people these days want things to be "easy"

[fiery perch]

This actually doesn't mean less options, and it was also a suggestion. It could even be, people could choose which "path" (lack of better words) of a bundle they'd like to pursue. One more focused on fishing, or cooking, etc. It could still help benefit overall imo. Or even add trading or player based market (example: #💬│palia-discussions message ) .

Fishing causes actual pain for me, by holding down my mouse button. Same with using my keyboard after a while if I swap to that instead. Same with focusing on the bobber-- i tend to easily lose track of it. Some people also struggle w/ the motion due to mobility issues.

[slow sand]

If you don't want to make the item, which is how the game is intended, I don't think you should be able to trade for it. Just buy it in Tish's store.

[tropic nimbus]

HAHA Thats my thoughts but I just wasnt 100% sure

[old dirge]

i am - gotta get all those quest rewards and all that story

[raven orbit]

Okay, honestly. I'm not loving the ableism here so I'm just gonna leave. There is a difference between something being inaccessible and something being hard. I hope everyone can learn that one day /gen

[loud axle]

Furniture is whatever, my major issue has always been the fish. I was stuck on the first bundle because I hated fishing.

I had hundreds of bugs people needed I would have been happy to trade, though.

[fiery perch]

I really don't understand this comment, and I really hope I'm reading this wrong. But this comes off ... ableist to some degree. nobody is asking for it to be easy. People are asking for accessibility options. There is a difference.

[sharp wasp]

but people are saying there should be the option to make the game playable for you. Doesn't mean it would make it easy for everyone. It could be an option in the setting : )

[pearl wave]

I agree and I hope developers will make it easier for people who struggles

[fiery perch]

There's still some people who are struggling with fishing bc of the RNG. It really sucks and I hate seeing it :[

[meager glen]

I dont know if they want it easy. I had carpel tunnel surgery and it definitely affected my abilities with my hands. There is already a lack of gameplay at the end. Even if you make it optional, if it becomes optimal then no one will do it

[slow sand]

It's a tough one because the point of the skills is to gather. No one would gather if we could all just request stuff. Then the game would be pointless and it becomes trading simulator. I don't think the request system as it exists now is bad, I think the unlocks are important. I don't think items should be available to people who haven't played far enough into the game, i.e tool unlocks for larger nodes, fish, etc. I think that kinda defeats the whole playing part.

[old dirge]

yeah, I don't game much at all and off hand even I can think of having difficulty levels, alternate/simplified mechanics, or alternate acquisition methods as accessibility options used in games I've watched people play - there are times when something can't be changed if it's the entire point of the game or something, but that doesn't seem to be the case with palia's skills

[raven orbit]

Yeah, it's not a surprise Disabled players rarely feel safe coming out of the accessibility chat /gen

[slow sand]

I am guilty of this myself btw, 100%. I don't really go after hourly groves because I know I can get more flow food easily if I jsut request it.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, like. I can understand people's point if it's "well if you make it automatic, ppl are gonna do that anyways". Which si why I try to mention, hey, just make it take the same amount of time (or even add a lil bit more time i guess), so it doesnt feel like an advantage. that way it's an option and can still help those who want to play, and progress/pursue specific things!

[loud axle]

This is kind of a slippery slope argument. People don't play a game to... Not play the game. You can't say what people will or won't do if a system like trading were added. All I see it doing is giving an option to get the materials you have issues gathering yourself rather than hitting a wall. I still vastly prefer doing things myself, but I'd much rather play a game to my strengths than struggle with something I hate.

[slow sand]

I don't disagree that trading should be a thing, but in a gathering game like Palia, where the core focus is to gather resources and fish and ingredients, I think it would have to have limitations otherwise you fall into the modern concept of instant gratification.

[loud axle]

I assure you I have no qualms about the difficulty of a game. I'm on my third playthrough of Elden Ring right now. The problem is I play to have fun and when I am actively forced to do things I don't find fun, I no longer enjoy the game.

[sinful mesa]

Hey everyone

[drowsy kernel]

I mean if I had the option of not having to go gather flow wood and could request it (including other hard-to-find, hard-to-gather stuff).... I would probably take it for the sake of time, and I bet a lot of other players who don't have hours to spend gathering would too

[grizzled mist]

I like the idea of a 1 to 1 trade of things with equal rarity and value. I know far too many players who are hitting that wall due to the inaccessibility of fishing. The ripple effect of what becomes forbidden in the game as a result is maybe larger than people see sometimes. It's not just the one bundle. It's more like 7 or 8 of them. Not being permitted to do something that unlocks many features in the game feels pretty bad. It's not a matter of choice or challenge. It's just a big wall that says "NOT FOR YOU" in a game that's meant to be cozy. Workarounds can help some, which is great, but there really should be someone official navigating this stuff, because there are existing ways that other games have made it work.

[fiery perch]

This is why I also like the market idea that I have. (I guess im biased heheh), but
Genuinely, I really think having a small flea market area, that is a set sell price to Zeki's (a bit higher though to compensate your time) ... it'd help. It would help everyone imo. It would also help with a community vibe.

Could even limit it via how many things you can sell a day.

[slow sand]

Literally me... lol. I don't want to sit around waiting for grove. I log in to grab my daily money makers, request it and sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't, but flow wood is the only item I struggle to get. :S

[raven orbit]

Tldr: Disabled people not being able to do stuff in a game isn't because they're not skilled enough /gen

[sinful mesa]

I think its important for us to remember that its okay for people to have different wants and needs and no one should feel bad about sharing their opinions on this stuff. Can we all just take a 5 here and try to remember that at the end of the day this is a clash of opinions.

I think we can all agree that having the ability for everyone to do everything is a good thing and we should probably leave it at that before things get nasty, so lets not turn this into a big fight please 🙏

[scenic hinge]

I’m very not disabled and a bit lost in the discussion, but couldn’t it be cool to add multiple options for the way we do fishing and stuff that can be hard for some disabilities? Like perhaps with a more disabled-friendly way of doing a thing, it takes a tiny bit more of time if perceived as « cheating » (even if I don’t think so?) but everyone can still gather the stuff… and also gives the option to make the game harder and you have a tiny more % of chance to receive a valuable item with the fish/whatever, so it spices up the game when fishing is getting boring? So everyone is happy?

[grizzled mist]

I hope the increased flow wood drops make this feel less like a struggle for ya!

[slow sand]

I am definitely going to see what it's like. However my storage capacity is not going to be very friendly about it 😂 /hit10klimitmonthsago

[delicate spear]

I need you to message me please

[pearl wave]

Im disabled myself but yes I agreed!

[cinder comet]

Modmail is best bet for moderation related inquiries.

[sinful mesa]

if you need to ask me questions relating to me or something you can dm me but I would rather people use mod mail for transparency reasons 🙏

[raven orbit]

Literally all we want is the ability to actually play the game. Accessibility is about options. /gen

[grizzled mist]

I can't believe they aren't upping storage! That's the biggest struggle in the game for me!

[slow sand]

And plot item limit... and flower limit. Please ~~All i do in this game is decorate my plot ~~

[pearl wave]

I want game to have multiple ways of how to fish, gather, etc easily for everyone whatever they're disabled or not. I struggle with bundles and fishing mostly for me.

[sinful mesa]

I need like Palium reinforced giga storage to be honest I dont wanna sell anything

[slow sand]

Us loot goblins are suffocating here. :S

[sharp wasp]

give me 50 garden plots and i'm good : )

[carmine gyro]

see i get near it, but i make sure any excess i sell, out of curiosity what are you hoarding?

[loud axle]

During testing I had suggestions for other forms of each skill players could "specialize" in to make the game more of an MMO / encourage partying.

The two for fishing were net fishing and pots; net fishing would allow you to catch multiple fish at once but require a party (at least one other person, with more increasing the yield.) Pots would allow you to place them and fish passively, albeit it would take much longer.

[old dirge]

a palium storage upgrade does make sense, but I can see them wanting to wait for another area with more items first

[lusty light]

fish traps like stardew valley

[pearl wave]

Where! :o

[slow sand]

Or simply nets that are timed rather than intensive.

[drowsy kernel]

see i like this, picking specializations kinda like actual classes

[old dirge]

ammo (in the pouch now! freed up like 2000 slots for me), ammo ingredients, seeds, 1-5 of each thing for quests and such, bricks and planks for building

[slow sand]

Could even make it similar to the cooking pan thing where it goes in a circle, one click to activate the circle, another click to 'catch' it on the right spot?

[grizzled mist]

I'm not even sure! It feels like I've just got a small reserve of everything, but maybe my idea of small isn't S6's?

[fiery perch]

I would love having those kind of things, on your own plot!! Esp if you could have fishing ponds, similar to what Stardew has. I think that could be nice and helpful too. So you can get specific kind of fish passively that way.

I'm sure you had similar ideas/concepts, but ugh. I would love that tbh.

[slow sand]

This would be nice. Level becomes super redundant after level 10 and most of us are well past that, some even in double/triple digits. And it does nothing past 10. Definitely need some more specific or 'specialised' content as we level up.

[carmine gyro]

yeah if you're storing even 50 of everything then yo uwould get near it. The ammo pouch saved me alot cause i have 1000 phoenix fireworks lol

[loud axle]

That was the idea. 😦 Even if everything is available to you in the end, I still like making choices that suit my play style.

[brisk spruce]

hi, yes, S6? can we have these? thanks

[fiery perch]

And I want to add, this is one of the reasons I love seeing you input Roan. Because it's usually so good and things I also have thought on vaguely (but nto as branched out). 🙏

[grizzled mist]

Woah that's a lot of fireworks!!! I may have a stash of snowballs that don't properly stack in my ammo pouch 👀

[old dirge]

love all the fishing tweak and variation ideas from everyone - palia is about to become the fishing game for me as I've completed nearly everything else and i'm not looking forward to it (boring & difficult for me plus the rng of it all)

[loud axle]

Cough cough SKILL TREE

[pearl wave]

I actually want them to add bugs fixes, im getting sick of my tree quest glitch lmao

[slow sand]

Literally ended up selling my snowballs because limit. ;-; All my fireworks.. gone. :S I just want to store enough produce to make preserves for gold but I'm constantly at 9,900+

[fiery perch]

Genuinely. it would just give more to do, can also think about different ways to play, etc... 🙏

[old dirge]

phoenix fireworks were bugged to be cheap, we started using them as flares to help find each other, we found out they were fixing it, people stock piled, and then a month or two later flares were introduced so the fireworks weren't a need anymore but also aren't sellable

[carmine gyro]

we need a fishing update, also how come no bubbles in our ponds? Is my plot not worthy of gold star pond fish!?

[loud axle]

Thank you. ♥️ I appreciate that I'm not just screaming into the void lol

[cinder comet]

I vote skill trees.

[fiery perch]

Hahaha, yes, you're def not just screaming into the void. I genuinely look forward to seeing what you have to say. They're always great!!!

[drowsy kernel]

PLEASE I can't believe this or the classes thing was not even considered from the get-go

[carmine gyro]

100% my case

[grizzled mist]

I didn't have enough to get the fireworks to unlock the fireworks back then, so I missed out completely

[slow sand]

Skill tree would be interesting, I don't believe they have enough content at this time to be able to make one though 😦 Definitely would have to be a big rework.

[steel lichen]

It makes me really sad hearing about the members if the Six Team being let go... Its such a sad trend in every single gaming developer in the last year

[carmine gyro]

or saved yourself from all that lost storage space

[old dirge]

just means you're not stuck with 500 things you don't need and can't sell now

[scenic hinge]

I would find this pretty cool actually ! Having many ways of doing something.
I could also find it cool to add the trade system we talked before, so when you fish with pots, you can grab fishes you can’t with normal fishing? And then you can trade them with an equal value fish if you’re specialized in that type. However, it means we would need a trade system if fishes can be different between methods, or it will totally make the point of having many fishing method useless for a disability point of view.
If fishes are the same for every methods, it just makes the way to play it more fun I think! And various. And if pots here are more slow, other mechanics could be add like the trap (putting this or that item that you picked up in the wild gives you more chance of catching this or that fish…)… Endless possibilities to make it fun even if more ‘passive’ when it comes to the fishing part.
Just dumb ideas put here but tldr: it could be cool to have these different ways.

[sharp wasp]

gotta save money : /

[cinder comet]

Didn’t the new Stardew update get skill trees

[loud axle]

I designed two skill trees for em back in the day but I'm not sure I even still have the images available anywhere anymore lol would have to dig deep to find where I last posted them

[slow sand]

Stardew benefits from it's thousands of hours of content though. 😛

[drowsy kernel]

It got something similar, it's not really a fully fledged tree but. Some new skill lines yea

[cinder comet]

My Stardew play time is gross

[polar elbow]

Stardew has had really basic skill trees for a long time, the new update added "masteries" which is just an extra set of perks once you gain enough EXP in any skill. I don't consider masteries a skill tree because you can get all of them lol

[steel lichen]

The game isnt running very well from the original launcher and its getting clunky since adding to Switch and Steam, just making it worse. I was hoping they'd stay dedicated to that side of keeping their team and game strong - I really dont care about the features as much as just the game running well

[fiery perch]

NGL, if you do end up finding those and youre wanting to share them with someone ... 👀 Feel free to share them with me.

[loud axle]

Whatcha at? I've got 1500 hours lol

[drowsy kernel]

yeah true i. forgot you can get them all with enough grinding

[slow sand]

Lol I've not goot many, but my mum loves it and she's well over 1,000 in it.

[loud axle]

I have a couple Stardew Valley T-shirts I wear even

[cinder comet]

About then between multiple devices. iPad. Switch. Steam.

[fiery perch]

I'm still a baby to you

... I'm also slowly waiting for my "Save Anywhere" mod to get updated//bug fixed though. I love stardew lots though omg

[acoustic pollen]

I'd honestly like to give Stardew another real try. Every time I've done so in the past I've always been slammed with RL obligations mid summer year 1

[cinder comet]

This is why I like games like coral island bc I don’t always have time to finish an entire day. I just want to save when I can.

[slow sand]

I actually can't fish in stardew tbh, lol. But Palia fishing is boring to me. I can do it, I jsut don't want to. /ismylowestskill

[weary oxide]

Hmm dev update feels a lot like: "we're improving the early-game, if you're late game... Too bad"

[loud axle]

I got to playtest the board game before it came out too 😭

[fiery perch]

Yeah, that was one thing I liked that i saw with Coral Island. Same with Sun Haven!!! It's something I really enjoy, esp with how I am. I jump game to game sometimes, and if one of my friends uses the signal, then im off to play games with them in a SNAP

[polar elbow]

my biggest struggle with stardew valley is when I take an extended break. Then months later, when I boot up the game again I just stare at my save like "what was I even doing in this save again...?" and just make a new save instead LOL

[slow sand]

This is my take from the update. Absolutely improving the early game is important, and the updates are great... but there wasn't much in it for us late game players. Gold increase? Awesome!... But to buy what? We're mostly at storage and plot limits like... what do we do with this? And that's more of us than you'd think with the game having been open for almost a year. We LOVE Palia... so we've done everything and then some. I do hope there's a bit more focus in the next one on people who have no idea what to do any more because we're completely stuffed at the endgame.

[hollow crescent]

i think it’s more like they said trying to get new players up to where other players are at, so we can all move forward around the same

[drowsy prairie]

The update looks cool but can we please fix friend and chat bugs?! Hiw can we play hot pot with friends if we can't get in parties? lol 😅

[vagrant dove]

speaking more philosophically, at this point in the game, people need to really slow down and stop trying to min/max everything. There just isn't enough content for that yet

[loud axle]

This is 100% my problem too

[fiery perch]

omg makes me nervous when i load up the save w/ my friend again sometime bc it's been a while now...

and can i suggest the "To-Dew List" mod for stardew. it helps so much hahaha

[slow sand]

me with almost 90 hours and hasn't even finished comm center once.

[steel lichen]

Id just rather they keep the game FREE and be happy with small updates and surprises - If I wanted another whole economic system and skill tree, there are paid games I can do that in. Palia was free and on its own launcher - thats why I fell inlove with it.
I really hope this means they arent going too far and losing this just to be like the other similar games copy paste

[scenic hinge]

Also now that everyone is alive, can I ask a dumb question?
Cooking doesn’t make valuable items at all to sell, and that skill isn’t mention in the latest patch… Is it included in the more rewarding patch or not? 🥺 Thanks for the replies!!

[slow sand]

I put off a lot of the content and I'm still at the end game. I did things really slowly. I still haven't even done some of the side quests. The game has been out for almost a year with about 2 months of content. This isn't a min/max issue, it's more of a lack of content issue. I'm not a min/maxer and after slowly doing my plot, I'm at all the limits. I just buy Zeki coins now... idk why. ~~I haven't done fishing acheivement but like... its fishing. ~~

[loud axle]

Found it

Though trying to crop on mobile is... Not going well lol might have to wait til I get home

[fiery perch]

I don't really sure how that would make the game similar to others, except for the fact it would make the game feel more community based and more on the "MMO" aspect. Since at the moment, the game def feels more like you're having/experiencing Paralell play-- which is nice! But I don't want that 24/7 all the time, if that makes sense?

I would want more sense of community haha. And just more things to possibly do or just change things up a little here and there (in regards to skill trees!). I still think it could help and be set apart from others

[raven orbit]

Honestly, my sentiments exactly. There's very little content so even as someone who takes things slow, I'm very close to the end of all things I can do (minus the inaccessible things) /gen

[slow sand]

I didn't play for aboout 3 months and missed two maji markets. That's how slow I've done it. And yet 2 months ago I started hitting all the limits. Idk how much slower you can be other than just... not playing at all lol.

[winged tundra]

I think they’re more focused on retaining new players than appeasing old players right now unfortunately. a lot of people (esp casual gamers) will often pick up a game like this and put it down because the overall progression system is daunting to them, so i think that’s why they’re trying to mostly target making the game “easier” in this update. i’m hoping they start to prioritize new content as soon as they stop leaking players

[drowsy kernel]

I mean if they try to get some new content in that might help alleviate the "player leak" issue

This patch is def gonna help though because I remember those gold nerfs very well

[scenic hinge]

Gold nerfs?

[acoustic pollen]

I think a lot of it comes down to their business model and monetization step. The new pet and tool skins are good imiplementations for that, in my opinion.

[dire coral]

The game is going to get a lot faster in progression from here on. If things go that way, then end-game improvements become necessary cause otherwise player turnover is also going to get faster

[drowsy kernel]

They nerfed the value of a lot of items, especially hunting drops a while back

[slow sand]

I'm surprised by that because I didn't think it was that bad. But I guess if they're talking about levelling out the playing field, then it makes sense! Still... they're leaking old players at this point now too. So they're going to have to go at it from both ends at some point. I've been playing far more Neopets than Palia recently.. only logged in recently to do my daily farming.

[acoustic pollen]

Ultimately, this game is a company product and a business venture, and it's gotta stay profitable. Whether direct or indirect, they're always going to consider their updates somewhat through the lens of marketing to monetization.

[lyric night]

overall gold buffs instead of nerfs, rebalance to the "economy"

[drowsy kernel]

much as I wish it wasn't, this is also unfortunately true

[slow sand]

That alternative is that it ends up being counterintuitive and then all the new players reach end game superfast lol.

[scenic hinge]

I’m a relatively new player (three weeks?) and I think rebalancing stuff isn’t a bad idea? because all I focus on to gain money is my harvesting and not the other skills as they’re not very valuable and thus, less worth my time (like, real time i use to play the game). But perhaps I’m not right

[fiery perch]

Cooking later on gets a bit more profitable, if i remember correctly, esp if you're doing so with friends! (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, been a little bit!)

replied to the wrong msg, but i think you were the same person who mentioned cooking earlier? lol!

[old dirge]

yeah I remember early game being rough just constantly out of materials and gold with quests stacking up with some happening way too early skill/resource wise (started on day 1 of closed beta)

[keen helm]

Not gonna lie, I don't love that they're making mining less profitable

[slow sand]

It's absolutely not. But there's barely anything to do after you've reached the first few prerequisites for guilds, done the main story quest, and put together even just a lil plot. Everything else is solely choice. If they're making it easier for people to progress... I wonder if that's just going to make it feel like there's not much content because people are getting through it quicker.

[fiery perch]

And yeah, early game is rough. So making that more balanced makes sense to me

[sharp wasp]

they're nerfing it? x/

[pliant sentinel]

I am excited for the new patch but I do wonder when a new zone, if ever, will be introduced?

[winged tundra]

I think they’re most interested in fixing/overhauling old content before introducing major new

[sharp wasp]

i opened the game first time in months to see what's up

[acoustic pollen]

I'd speculate that won't be for a while. That sort of feature would be, developmentally speaking, a very heavy lift.

[drowsy kernel]

I'm tempted to open it up again, last time I played was.... months ago
maybe a year

but i've been keeping tabs on the patch notes

[dire coral]

Nah I feel you. I wanted to dive into just hunting when I started out. Then it just felt like I was grinding too much for so little, and I decided to retire from the battlefield and become a simple farmer 😔

Rebalancing of gold sources should hopefully make the game more enjoyable to play how you want

[old dirge]

there are the big suspicious doors in bahari bay which could be any of the mentioned areas we haven't seen yet Bahari City, Elderwoods, the next town over I can't remember the name of, the other mining area of Bahari province where hodari's family is, a way to get to the other provinces of Palia, more secret human stuff

[teal jungle]

Hunting can actually make you a lot of money, though.

[slow sand]

Are they? It doesn't seem to say that. In fact they've said lots of items are going to increase. Is there something I've missed in the notes that refer to mining? It's one of the only things I do for gold! :S So that would be an ouch. Especially after the first nerf.

[pearl wave]

That's why I can't relate to late gamers and is absolutely excited for new updates myself haha

[keen helm]

is says so in the dev blog

[old dirge]

Gold earned from Mining will be tuned down, but to make up for it, the gold earned from other skills such as Foraging, Insect Catching, Hunting, and Fishing will be buffed. Thus, all skills should be on a more comparable and even playing field.

[teal jungle]

Yeah, I'll be dropping the game if they completely nerf it. Farming and fishing already make more than mining does.

[acoustic pollen]

Honestly, I didn't even realize mining was lucrative. That being said, I tend to hoard starstones and Palium, which are likely the lucrative part of mining.

[teal jungle]

Heck, even hunting makes a crazy amount compared to mining, unless the RNG favours you that day. That said, even hunting can go that way.

[slow sand]

That's a BIG shame because they already nerfed it by half... :S Rip mining lol. I have hundreds of bars. Back to hunting and farming it is for me. The occasional bug here and there for silk but 🤷‍♀️ where's the incentive.

[scenic hinge]

Making skills more rewarding isn’t a bad idea if the… milestones aren’t lessening their value, perhaps?
Like i’ve seen copper chest recipe to be less expensive (I bought it today) and I don’t know, as I think it’s a good idea to stonks some skills, having a bit of difficulties to buy this or that recipes makes them rewarding when you receive them.
(Or perhaps farming should be less rewarding and everything will be fixed /half-joking)

[carmine gyro]

good time to sell then

[dire coral]

🤼 fighting u for that farming comment

[scenic hinge]

I’m just half joking

[drowsy kernel]

well crap i somehow missed that one

[acoustic pollen]

My superstonk brain and hands made out of diamonds, starstones, and ice know not how to do that.

[slow sand]

Farming is the ONLY thing I do to make money. If they come for that, I'm legitimately quitting. Because then there's nothing left. Fishing is bad for money making because it takes too long. Mining is great for stones even if they're rare. Bugs... trash for money making. Farming is the only way that's worth logging in for regularly (preserves or cooking, woo!). Woodcutting is useless for money.

After that, I got nothing. There's nothing worth enough to keep me in the game if they nerf farming.

[fiery perch]

They're at least increasing gold gain for those skills (except mining). And they're adding Amber to Foraging/wood cutting now.

"Trees now have a chance to drop Amber, which can be sold as a high-value item"

[slow sand]

We'll wait to see what the rarity is on Amber though, if it's up there with ruby, it's going to be a grinddd.

[teal jungle]

Uncommon fish start at like 50gp. Copper bar = 21gp (only 1gp profit when smelting), Iron bar = 43gp (only 3 gold profit when smelting), and pal is actually the heavyweight (if you can get some when those compass-users are around) at 95gp/bar (a 35gp profit for smelting).
Yeah, you can luck out getting a gem, but those aren't a great source of revenue when they've already nerfed the drop rate.
Overall, Farming gets you crazy money (as was likely intended), Furniture Making is just a money-sink: flat out.
But catching can get you decent money, but Fishing (for as horrible as it is) can get you crazy money.

[pearl wave]

[scenic hinge]

The only way I can see woodcutting be somehow money making, is that we could sell furniture.
Then, we could actually have a purpose to chop chop and do many recipes! But surely other ideas are better.

[acoustic pollen]

I have a feeling the rarity won't be super high, at least for the most basic level of amber. I'd imagine it could easily double as a crafting material.

[dire coral]

After 2-3 nerfs it's clear, nerfing mining is just Palia's habit

[fiery perch]

Everything is a grind lol! /lighthearted /gen

I honestly expect it to be a grind similar to how some other stuff is, is kinda what I'm saying. Just will have to see how things are. It's a shame mining is getting nerfed again, though.

I'm glad they also are bringing hotpot to stay in the underground too 🙏

[old dirge]

they didn't include it in the bulleted list, it's in one of the paragraphs before it

[slow sand]

First they come for the cakes... then it's my lovely mining

[dire coral]

One day they'll decide there's an issue with gardening.. and then nerf mining as a response

[slow sand]

I am happy to grind, and I'm happy for new players to be given advantages. I'm not happy to be left in the dark for months upon months waiting for new content only to be told the only content I interact with is being made worse. :S

[scenic hinge]

Can we have a new area unlocked every three months like with Genshin Impact /half-joking 👀

[acoustic pollen]

Is the end-impact worse for you though? I imagine you're only truly affected if you sell the starstones that you are mining. Otherwise I think you're fine, because I don't think they're indicating they're reducing drop rates or anything.

[dire coral]

S6 doesn't have gacha money

They should add Kaedehara Kazuha and I'll singlehandedly fund their company myself

[fiery perch]

Was just making a joke btw, since the game is genuinely such a grind in the grand scheme of things. I'm also agreeing with you! (just wanting to give reassurance in case my tone came off poorly).

[grizzled mist]

We got new content last month

[teal jungle]

Reducing drop-rate = reducing profitability. But they're also probably planning to drop the cost of the gems.

[carmine gyro]

Well tilling the ground can get you Copper & Silver Ore! That's OP!

[sudden solar]

I will wait until next update to clearly judge S6, this one is just the backlog of what they had before layoffs, the grindiness will probably still be wicked tho

[somber crag]

How we all feeling?

[polar elbow]

I am feeling like chaos today tbh

[grizzled mist]

hot hot hot?

[scenic hinge]

Pftrhahahahaha true true
I’ll pay to have my dear husband Zhongli on my plot ngl
But as I can’t, here I am, continuing to court Tish

[acoustic pollen]

I don't think they're looking to reduce drop rates though, although it is possible. I know they've already done that once though.

[fiery perch]

Hi Anner! I missed you earlier; was out here like "do i gotta make a blood moon signal 👀 ". Hope Vrising has been well!!

Always like getting updates here and there about your vrising and other gaming-related things

[teal jungle]

And the Kitsuu, honestly ||bringing gold ore is crazy-awesome||

[carmine gyro]

Mining must be stopped!

[slow sand]

The only two things I consistently do for gold at this time in the game is Mining and Farming. Farming for Preserves, Mining for star stones. I hunt in between but hunting money suucks. I turn the meat into worms and fertilizer to enhance gardening and fishing cause it's not worth to sell. I turn the hides into leather and sell.

So for me, nerfing mining is like.. the game is become harder for us at the end game. Trying to fight storage limits, plot limits, renown limits (I know this is being upped, but there is NOTHING to spend it on). So like.. yeah. Nerfing the only things we got is kind of... naff. I don't mind the advantages given to new players, I think it's great. But it's a hard balance to keep it fun for us end-gamers too. We're usually the people more likely to spend money on the game too if they need income.

[grave obsidian]

I think I missed something in the notes, how are they nerfing mining?

[acoustic pollen]

I can definitely see how you're affected if you sell starstones for money. that really sucks.

[somber crag]

Loooool, my partner and I just beat the boss that gives expanded storage (along with the blood/wine cabinet), so we're eaaasing along. We're playing on Brutal difficulty but having a good time with it!

Hope you're still enjoying your time with it, too!

[slow sand]

I missed it too but a few people kindly dropped it in chat a lil bit above.

Gold earned from Mining will be tuned down, but to make up for it, the gold earned from other skills such as Foraging, Insect Catching, Hunting, and Fishing will be buffed. Thus, all skills should be on a more comparable and even playing field.

[fiery perch]

"Gold earned from Mining will be tuned down."

[dire coral]

I love how they didn't even specify, just straight up said "oh yeah we're nerfing it"

[grave obsidian]

Oop, yeah definitely missed that

[slow sand]

Buy hey, there's hot pot...

[fiery perch]

I'm excited to get into Brutal Difficulty once I finish my current playthrough with my friends! Cuz I think i'll end up playing it again afterwards.

I'm now working towards trying to get gold ingots soon! And finally properly looking into the servants and stuff. 👀 just picked up a 100% rogue & brute yesterday!!! like heck yeah, i'm doing things!

[grave obsidian]

That’s also my main source of gold as I’m too bored with watering apple trees everyday now

[teal jungle]

If I have to go through 2 zone changes just to play yet another cooking mini-game, I'm likely never to use said mini-game.

[scenic hinge]

But everyone, the most important thing: we shouldn’t have flowers limit on our plot anymore. Next patch.

[fringe dome]

i wonder if they're gonna make another super simple game to play along with hotpot :c im not great at a bunch of card games lol-

[delicate spear]

I didn't understand hot pot

[slow sand]

I didn't actually experience hot pot so I'm a lil curious... but I'm not good at card games either so.. we'll see

[somber crag]

Getting 100% blood is a greaaat feeling. Congratulations. MAKE YOUR HUNTS BE PROPSEROUS. ❤️

[lyric night]

I mean they could probably get rid of the limit when they would get rid of Palia on switch
but until they optimize switch that won't happen

[stiff totem]

#📢│palia-news message i'm furious, absolutely no mention is made of the backhanded non apology in the last dev update, when are they going to apologize?

[fringe dome]

me too c: im excited, dont get me wrong! this patch is my most hype yet, im really looking forward to it.

[fiery perch]

Thank you! AND SAME TO YOU! !!!

[grave obsidian]

Hotpot was great but I feel like it’s a distraction lol

[slow sand]

I'm looking forward (kinda) to starting a new plot with these building options. Might help clear out some planks at least.

[scenic hinge]

it’s because of me playing on switch I can’t have a flower heaven??
That’s so unfortunate. I’m like a bee I need flower at every centimeter of field

[fringe dome]

exactly.... smth for like... zeki's underground but not an event lol. it was a lot to do in a smol time... for me at least. i stopped playing bc it became to buggy and over packed with things

[grizzled mist]

it's the only thing that's ever slowed us down despite S6's efforts 😆 Love me some hotpot!

[gritty socket]

I enjoyed Hot Pot a lot, but tbh I would have preferred a different minigame; now it's not going to feel as special

[grave obsidian]

I was stuck in a void for the last 2 weeks of the lunar market with no help from s6. Never got to spend all the envelopes I saved up either.

[fringe dome]

very much agree c:

[slow sand]

We are still waiting for something for the tavern. I think a nice couple board games would help the community feel if we could just chill in Kilima pub with a couple gameess.

[fringe dome]

yeah i didnt participate in this one bc of the last being overpacked ouo" lol it got less cozy after initial steam launches etc., v grindy

[lyric night]

nah no one can, bcs switch is limiting their possibilities
the decor and flower limit exists to ensure the game running on switch, and bcs its cross progression the limit needs to exist on PC as well

[fiery perch]

Just wanting to say that I'm so sorry that you had that happen to you 🫂 .

[gritty socket]

Since we're getting a patch focused mostly on balancing, I do wonder if this is prep for something bigger in the summer

[slow sand]

I hope it is because I'm underwhelmed with this one. Balance is important but it shouldn't be 50% of the patch. :S ~~Esp with premium stuff being like 40% of the rest of it ~~

[fringe dome]

same! im hoping a lot gets fixed... this game was my whole spring last year lolll i miss it.... honest. but the spawn rates, bugs. its a looot. and added events? a

[grizzled mist]

I want a communities update so they actually have some sort of a function!

[gritty socket]

To be fair, we haven't seen the full notes

[grave obsidian]

I just finished redoing my entire plot knowing full well a new building would come out. Now I get to start all over AGAIN 😭🤣

[toxic pivot]

hopefully, im purposely not playing much/avoiding the last few npcs so i can have something todo when i really need a lil Palia binge.

[scenic hinge]

I’m not that surprised.
When I talk to Tish she is a blob of purple, so I’m not surprised my old switch can’t handle 300 flowers on my plot. It’s a shame but like, I understand.

[fringe dome]

RIGHT?! i just startd my 2nd bc i can finally add bay windows but now im sitting here like.... new harvest? PLEASE MAKE A TAMALA GREENHOUSE LOLL

[slow sand]

I've got 3 plots... This update is going to force me to start a 4th lol

[grave obsidian]

I NEED everything in Tamala’s house

[slow sand]

Honestly a greenhouse would be amazing! And some greenhouse plants? 👀

[fringe dome]

agred ovo im so hoping they go crazy at refractoring and adding all kinds of fun items. not events

the chayne greenhouse too? a! i lov ^_^

[toxic pivot]

i still want some of the clutter the npcs have in their homes like books, stakcs of them, clothes, and more.

[slow sand]

UGH please we NEED books. I am sick of finding new ways to fill the empty bookshelves. How you can you have one without the other? They're going to have to rename them shelves at some point cause ya girl can't take it

[fringe dome]

y EEES.... i keep trying to mimic it with what i earn from missions but its all too big... not small to fill in space.

[toxic pivot]

also just in general stuff thats fits in my shelves. i love adding the bookshelves and the likes as furniture but a lot of items dont fit in them.. kinda sad all those empty shelves..

[fringe dome]

i remember building the one bookshelf first day of beta and it had no books D: LOLL i realized i gotta get me own on adventuring

[dire kraken]

[redacted] shelves

[toxic pivot]

😂 yes, they look so empty, and i get its to allow us to decorate on our own but i been so disapointed by the lack of items i can put in it (theres only so many homestead bottles i can deal with having in my house!!)

and the npcs, in their homes they got so many decorative items around, i dont see why we cant use those same assets. (also the jars of things.. i crave themmm)

[slow sand]

Idk if it helps but here's some of my shelves for inspo?

I have one that is just solely filled with food items cause I didn't know what else to put on it

[winged tundra]

i wish we got the recipes for all of the npc quest rewards instead of one-time items

a lot of the items are very cool decor pieces and its really limiting to only be able to use them once when theres so many plots available in the game

[narrow oyster]

I actually like how the rewards are one time only, it makes them feel more special to me

[loud axle]

One big idea doc I had was reimagining the entire way crafting recipes worked. Redoing all the recipes to be more in line with the size of the item, how it looked, etc. as well as better dividing up the recipe unlocks instead of everything being part of a certain set. For instance completing certain NPC quests would give you recipes for things that pertained to that particular villager, such as Nai'o giving you the recipe for the wagon wheel (and other similar items) rather than every set having several dozen items you have to unlock one after the other.

I do like getting unique rewards but... Why not both lol

Just as a couple ideas

[nocturne lagoon]

Nice that gold & renown limits will be raised.
Hope crafter & storage limits get raised too!

[hot temple]

Hope it's a sizable jump for renown. I'm 100 renown away from cap with no places to use it so I've been playing less and less

[barren wyvern]

Does anyone know when the new patch will be released?

[toxic pier]

They would have put that info in the blog if they were ready for us to know.

[barren wyvern]

Nvm I see people are asking in general lol.

[lyric night]

following their usual schedule probably next tuesday
there should be a patchpreview towards the end of the week with the exact date

[barren wyvern]

Got it - thanks!

[fiery perch]

Roan out here with another banger 🙏

[slow sand]

The downside to this is not wanting to build a relationship with a particular NPC, what's the workaround then to get the items?

[loud axle]

Well... I always assumed we'd get trading eventually, buuuuut lol

[slow sand]

:S Yeah, I don't want to romance more than one NPC. I'm super gutted that to get NPC pictures I HAVE to romance them. It sucks. I don't want to.

[old dirge]

yeah, I've hit the renown cap twice and have currently been at it for a couple months

[fiery perch]

The only thing I realize, with the renown cap being increased... is like, yeah it'll be increased which is good, but still gonna get the same problem depending on how big of that "jump" is. Nothing to spend it on for a lot of people at cap.

[toxic warren]

I am genuinely excited for this coming update. Balancing out the income sources is great, hotpot coming back is going to be a genuine blast, and many other things have me very excited! I am stoked over the tool skins, smart move tbh. I hope they're a good price 🙏🏼

[loud axle]

Yeah, the seeming lack of new content in this update is... Interesting

[slow sand]

I'm only not really excited for it because gold cap, renown cap increases are irelevant if you have nothing to buy. I'm a lil excited about the new ways to build but I want to see it in action before I form an opinion on it. :S So not much in this update for me. There's only really Zeki coins or more of the same furniture to buy after a certain point.

Palia definitely feels like it's lacking a sense of acheivement.

[vagrant star]

I noticed it too... We'll have to see what that blocks and paths thing is, but it sure feels like only small new unpaid things.

[fiery perch]

The renown cap isn't great bc that you have nothing to buy. It sucks to see some form of "Currency" wasted and disappearing. That's one of the reasons why a lot of people get saddened by it-- and why in a sense, yeah, i'm glad the cap is increasing, but it's still... going to come to the same issue bc there is nothing to buy.

it's why im hoping the cap is a big jump for it. for that and gold cap

[stoic frost]

wake me up when gold is uncapped