💬│palia-discussions

[ebon pewter]

[ebon pewter]

stickers is cheating 😂😂😂

[fading locust]

[hollow crescent]

[clever cove]

ooooh i understand now i saw people using stickers and thought it was big emojis

[fading locust]

[young plank]

ahahah i found this

[ebon pewter]

stickers at the end of the day is just when big emoji (and can't be added to other text either!)

[fading locust]

I wish there was a way to make the emoji larger without having to post them seperately-

[ebon pewter]

yeah we'd need more complete markdown for that

can we even

have a header as a second line

[lapis coral]

What’s up with arrows curving when you shoot them? Is anyone else having this happen?

[ebon pewter]

oh yeah huh

what about like

sorry this is off topic lol

[coarse abyss]

Are we ever on topic?

[fading locust]

It feels to me that the arrows kind of automatically home in on the nearest target. This happens most obviously if there are more than two targets near eachother. The arrow will curve towards one seemingly at random even if you weren't aiming at it

[lapis coral]

Ugh, I hate it. Is it supposed to be a feature or is it a bug?

[ebon pewter]

Is that new? I only noticed that recently

[fading locust]

Might be a feature? It happens too often for it to be a bug. It's been like that since I started playing a few months back

[gritty socket]

There is meant to be a slight auto aim, at least on Switch IIRC

[lapis coral]

I just noticed it with the last hotfix. I’ve been playing since open beta and it didn’t used to be like that.

[ebon pewter]

It's understandable on switch and controller, but really annoying with a mouse without being able to turn it off. Please let me fail

[lapis coral]

I wish they would give us an option to turn it off. It makes me miss constantly

[fading locust]

As someone who prides myself on bow and arrow accuracy (years in skyrim) I hate when my good shot is robbed from me xD

[clever cove]

i truly hate the arrow curving to nearest target, because when I'm trying to hunt the white muujin and it pops out with other muujin, it doesnt matter how good I aim because my arrow curves to the regular muujins anyway

[ebon pewter]

Hand holding like that without being able to turn it off is so infuriating. Not only because it's wonky

[clever cove]

and it misses because i wasnt aiming for the reg muujin in the first place

[fading locust]

It's clearly a buggy form of aim assist, and I hope they add a toggle for it later on

[lapis coral]

Yeah I don’t need any assistance with aiming, this is garbage lol

[ebon pewter]

I always just thought that was because the hitbox for animals was pretty big

but yeah I think you're right. Or it's both I guess

[clever cove]

i had the miserable pleasure of seeing it on fullscreen on my desktop, and saw personally how my arrow curved AWAY from the white muujin and toward the closer reg muujin running in front of me, causing me to miss when my aim was directly on the white muujin

the arrow curving is very pointed

[ebon pewter]

Aim assist bow add-on (like the fishing comsumables) would be cool.

I'd settle for an add-on that removes it 😂😂😂

[fading locust]

The only upside to the odd aim assist is the fact you can hit stuff that's an eternity away if you aim high enough. Since the arrow heatseeks xD

[clever cove]

I'd be aiming left and my arrow forcibly curves right because of those muujin, im getting so heated remembering this

[young plank]

ive gotten some nice shots in doing this XD

[fading locust]

Same xD it's satisfying, but I would still like a toggle for it, I would like more accuracy for closer shots.

[lapis coral]

But I feel like the aim assist stops working as soon as whatever you shoot starts running which sucks because that’s when it would actually be helpful

[clever cove]

it still curves when they're running but it needs to be a certain closeness to curve towards it

[fading locust]

And let's not forget the fact that all sernuks on switch have ultra instinct and will teleport out of your shots.

[clever cove]

otherwise my muujin experience wouldnt be so miserable

[fading locust]

Speaking of Muujin- I did not know they healed when entering a tree until recently. So now I look back on the stacks of arrows I wasted on the rare Muujin with increased contempt

[clever cove]

speaking of which, I don't understand why s6 patched out the white muujin spawning on those islands.. i already have difficulty seeing them when they're invisible, so to take away even those spots made it almost impossible

[young plank]

what they patched it?

[lapis coral]

Hunting in this game is highly frustrating and inconsistent in general already like when I’m hunting the sernuks with the racing stripes and I’ll hit on once and get it but the next one takes like 8 hits 🫠 now this.

[clever cove]

yeah they no longer spawn there

im like 99.9% sure thats what caused the great muujin extinction, cuz they turned off muujin spawning in those locations and it accidentally bled out the entire map

[fading locust]

I find that the elder sernuks don't heal. So if you shoot one somebody else already shot earlier it will die faster. Sometimes in one arrow. If it's a fresh spawn it takes more cause of full HP

[ebon pewter]

because it was not part of their intended way of hunting muujin. it was pretty clearly an error, it was fun exploiting it though

[clever cove]

i still burn through 90/100 of my dispel arrows even with that handicap, so now its even more frustrating for me

[celest tartan]

How do you get that furniture recipe that it looks like the style of the ruins? But I don't know what the furniture is called. Do any of y'all know what I'm talking about?

[ebon pewter]

the elder or proudhorn? (elder are the dark brown ones)

neither reset though, whoch means you can eventually just get a proudhorn yourself if you keep chasing it

[clever cove]

i need them to release a white muujin plushie so people are actually willing to hunt it

[fading locust]

Elder. Since I was pretty sure that's what they were talkin about in their post. But yeah, disco deer doesn't heal either xD

[clever cove]

emberborn? thats unlocked through finishing the temple bundles

[ebon pewter]

that would be cool. they're really hard but not worth the effort now that I have both achievements

[fading locust]

Once I got the achievements I just started ignoring Muujin almost entirely unless I had a good cheapshot at one

[ebon pewter]

oh yeah, I missed the reply context sorry 👍

[clever cove]

i dont have the star mane achievement yet

thats how i had 200 muujin meat before the extinction

Now without those islands its too painful to hunt them

[celest tartan]

Where is it you see your finished bundles? I'm having trouble.

[ebon pewter]

I've been playing since closed beta and I haven't got the star proudhorn antler achievement 😛

[celest tartan]

I remember someone told me before but that left me to confusion and just left it at that. But I'm asking again. Cuz I don't remember.

[clever cove]

at least the proudhorn doesnt heal when they disappear up a tree that you cant chop down cuz its a cosmetic tree

[fading locust]

Ohhh yeah I don't have the starred muujin one yet- I got starred proudhorn a few weeks back by chance

[ebon pewter]

I'e just had bad luck with the proudhorn one. I got the muujin one the same week they were released though

[fading locust]

Me but with the unicorn fish- it took me SO LONG to catch one of those things for the bundle

[celest tartan]

Ohhh okok thankss

[ebon pewter]

the night sky temple is on the cliff above the daiya farm, to the north

I always had trouble remembering where it was when I first started

[clever cove]

i did send feedback asking them to add an icon for the night sky temple on the map, because it doesn't have any indicators

[celest tartan]

Ahahha, found it!! Thank you.

[ebon pewter]

I'd be SOL if that was a required item for the bundle haha. Though, if it was I probably would have got it by now. I don't hunt that often, I don't like killing animals

[clever cove]

i had forgotten where it was cuz I put it off for so long, and only found it when I happened to see someone popping out in front of the door and I walked in out of curiosity

[celest tartan]

It shows I finished it but I haven't gotten anything from it

[ebon pewter]

finished which one?

[celest tartan]

The puzzles

[clever cove]

the puzzles you unlock the bundles

you need to finish the bundles, not the puzzles, for the items

[celest tartan]

Ohhhh okokkk gotcha

[ebon pewter]

Yeah Kane I don't know what you mean

It's showing you that you completed each bundle in each vault when you open the menu for it? There's 4 of them

[clever cove]

think they meant they finished the sliding puzzles and didnt get anything from those

not the bundles

[ebon pewter]

ah okay. Yeah, you can go interact with the 4 short cylinders (?) in the night sky temple, and those will show you the "vaults", which each have 4 "bundles" of items to complete

[celest tartan]

Ohhh okok thankss

[ebon pewter]

Each bundle will give you a reward, sometimes it's just little things. And then you usually get a reward for each full vault you complete

[lavish ferry]

Oh hey that’s my image lol

[clever cove]

yup, grabbed it since it was convenient and recent ty for making it

that place is so hard to describe text-wise without an image really wish they put an icon there

[ebon pewter]

yeah for sure

[dense gale]

Friggin earthquake today

OOPS POSTED IN THE WRONG DISCORD 😅🥴🙃 Ignore me

[fiery perch]

Hope you are all safe though!

[dense gale]

All good! It was strong for us east coasters who aren’t used to it. Haven’t had a 4.8 in NJ in a couple hundred years 😂 but nothing major other than my neurotic dog freaking out all day.

[fiery perch]

Good good! Hope the dog ends up feeling better and calming down now too 💛

[arctic loom]

My cats—all 6—slept through it. Survival instincts do not compute, LOL

[brisk spruce]

is your dog reacting to aftershocks or just generally scared?

[dense gale]

Most likely the aftershocks, which I personally didn’t feel. I’m about 50 miles from the epicenter. To be honest, I didn’t even feel the actual earthquake. I was at the mall with my toddler, getting him new shoes, and he was throwing a bit of a hissy fit and I was wrangling that and the girl came out from the back of the store with his shoes and was like oh my God did you feel the earthquake and I was like whattttt 😂

[tardy galleon]

Concerned about layoffs in early access. Happened to Wildworks' last 2 projects and, well, those 2 projects don't exist anymore. Concerned for the devs themselves, too. It seemed sudden. And what staff got laid off? QA? Artists? Programmers?

[dense gale]

They’ve been chatting about it extensively in the Gen chat. It stinks. I think a lot of industries are laying off now that is q1 for the fiscal year. I desperately want to leave education because right now, kids are so awful and admin are so incapable of doing anything BUT it’s literally job security and healthcare. Tenure and a union are good things right now.

[clever cove]

was a little worried since i was just planning to buy some glider skins this week as a treat but then the layoffs happened sorta killed my confidence in how long I can enjoy those gliders

losing vega also was very painful to me cuz I liked talking to them about the writer team, and the writing in palia is what i love most about the game so if the writers that made the characters good are gone, then idk..

[gritty socket]

I mean, Vega was part of a team; as much as I liked their work, there were other folks writing. I just hope Vega made some good plot notes that the rest of the team can follow

[clever cove]

yeah, just not sure if it was only vega but also a bunch of the other writers that were let go

[tardy galleon]

Saw that some noteable artists were let go, too..

[fading locust]

[dense gale]

There’s no indication of that just yet. We can be bummed but not get all doom and gloom just yet.

[digital frost]

Just you look at the boi ❤️

[severe mountain]

I just don’t know how this game makes money? There’s no way the cash shop can support a game of this size. Personally I think something along the lines of a battle pass would be really cool and bring in cash flow

I also haven’t seen any paid advertising anywhere. It’s like they were relying on word of mouth

It’s a really cool and noble idea in theory — no pay to win feels really awesome — but just not sustainable unfortunately

[merry crater]

I am curious to see if this year will bring adjustments to Palia’s monetization. Their goal was to keep the game as accessible to as many players as possible, so I’m not sure what they’d do to change things without negatively impacting players who can’t spend money.

[dense quarry]

it's happening across the board in tech/gamedev tho

[inland karma]

I feel you 100% on this.

[dense quarry]

are we sure vega has defo gone? when i was looking at linkedin, the person in their staff position was acknowledging layoff posts but didn't say they'd been laid off too

[stiff nymph]

Exactly. This is, unfortunately, a norm in the game industry.

[dense quarry]

but i haven't checked linkedin since this morning so idk

[tardy galleon]

I'm just concerned after this exact thing happened to two Wildworks projects which are now both dead

[merry crater]

We’ll just have to wait and see how things go and hope for the best. I’m going if to keep trying to have a fun time with everyone here for as long as possible! This community has done so much for me over the past few years

[sudden solar]

you can always just search up the person

[dense quarry]

to be frank, i am going to trust linkedin job status a little more than whether or not a discord role is there! i'm not saying you're wrong - more that i am considering every angle

[sudden solar]

thath's fair, but that mel person in #📢│community-news has the same status and it showed in article they got laid off

[worldly tulip]

hi yes i wasn't one of the people affected.

[dense quarry]

it's a terrible time vega, gen cannot imagine how you'ree doing

[worldly tulip]

yeah it's... i'm taking the day off for mental health.

thank you all for the support and well wishes. you are what make palia worth making

[dense quarry]

please take some time for yourself this week, even if it's more than just today - it's absolutely bonkers how much s6 must have changed in what felt like a moment

[worldly tulip]

well i had a vacation for new york planned way before this and the flight is nonrefundable soooo i'm gonna be on a plane tomorrow for the week. kinda forced to take some time.

just rushing around doing what i can for my friends who weren't as lucky. rly loved our team and i want to make sure they're all ok too.

[dense quarry]

man go to NY and buy like 60 of the best donuts or whatever the hell they have there

[worldly tulip]

i'm getting SO MUCH pizza

[vagrant star]

Good luck to all of you there!

[dense quarry]

is it true u can get pizza that's like. . Melting Cheese Everywhere??? if so, get that cheese, live your melty movie moment

[worldly tulip]

i want the type you have to fold in half to eat that covers you in grease. this will be unpleasant for me as someone lactose intolerant, lacking a gallbladder, and allergic to milk proteins

[dense quarry]

the ride in the ambo tho... it'll be delicious

[worldly tulip]

but i'm gonna do it anyways. anyways i'm gonna go pack :,)

[dense quarry]

i hope your trip goes well - please look after yourself!!!

[gritty socket]

You're a damned fine manager for this, btw

[inland karma]

I’m jealous. Eat some for us please! 💜

[umbral relic]

wait, what closed suddenly?

[umbral relic]

oh wow, lots of people thought you were. Glad to hear youre still around, but sorry about your co-workers

[flint igloo]

Start spreading the news 🎶 actually meant for the New York post

[gritty socket]

That's why it's important to use primary sources like tweets or linkedin posts from the affected devs, yeah.

[dense gale]

Be prepared for earthquakes. We’re quaking over here 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[dense gale]

Friendly school librarian here to endorse this! 🤓

[gritty socket]

Discord is quite frankly a mess, and I would not be surprised if someone's role just went *poof* for no reason, unrelated to layoffs

[golden kiln]

"always cite your sources" XD

[dense gale]

I had one of my high schoolers try to cite TikTok in her paper a few weeks ago. 🫣 I had to refrain from velociraptor screeching in frustration 😂

[golden kiln]

pain with the pleasure of having pizza....the sacrifices one must make

[golden kiln]

I recently had to teach one of my much younger acquaintances how to cite the dictionary. I've never felt my age so hard 💀

[prisma summit]

Man, that joke was shi- Wait... That was actually pretty good... XD

[obtuse harbor]

Just wanted to share. I never noticed this portrait of Reth at the Inn

Why he kinda remind me of Will Turner from Pirates of the Caribbean. I love it tho❤️

[lean verge]

I can see it

[clever cove]

i wonder why the inn is hanging fully body portraits of their cook tbh not complaining just kinda odd

[odd lotus]

About 10,000 arrows.

[rustic perch]

Oh wow…. I’m sad to see the layoffs. I really do hope this doesn’t negatively affect Palia though I expect it can. East coast stay safe. I haven’t seen the evening news yet.

[golden kiln]

Ashura is just really proud of him XD

[deft terrace]

Let's hope the layoffs were not a result of AI 😓

[manic thorn]

hey everyone! i saw this on someones plot and tried recreating it but it wouldn’t let me place the light anywhere near the traveling thing, is it some kinda glitch?

[daring leaf]

What do yall spend your renown on once you have your focus bar maxed & bought all of the roofs etc? I’m at 800 and going to cap soon!

[tranquil nest]

I have no clue myself, but you could probably try to ask in #🏡│decor!!

[manic thorn]

thank you!

[stoic tusk]

I've been capped, you just let it stay capped til we get more options :P

[daring leaf]

Ohh no! That’s too bad. Thanks for the answer 🙂

[digital frost]

Ok wow, just read the news channel. A layoff of 35% is a lot.

I still feel like they should really tune down the premium shop prices, most people arent willing to pay 25 bucks for a single outfit, and I think they'd be able to get a lot more monetary resources by adjusting prices.

It'd lower the inhibiting threshold for a lot of people I think. It most definitely would for me.

[fading knoll]

guess they didn't sell enough hot dog outfits 🌭

[digital frost]

while we dont have insight into the inner workings of the studio, I dont see too many people walking around with the cats or any premium outfits.
I think many people go into the premium shop thinking "okay lets see if they have something nice", see something they like, then look at the price for the corresponding coins and immediately press ESC thinking to themselves "Hell nah."

[wraith notch]

Me who bought only a 9 dollar outfit:

[digital frost]

I did look at the cheaper outfits, but didnt like them at all. The really nice ones are (logically) also the most expensive ones

[amber turret]

I'll spend millions to keep this company alive, go into bankruptcy if I must, this game is home for me and I will play it till the day I perish

[fading knoll]

the fact they haven't changed it says a lot. must mean people are buying enough, so i wouldn't worry about it.

[digital frost]

They could also go with a sale rotation where a different outfit or set of outfits is on sale every day or week

[worn basalt]

So Shepps, any update on the 3 flowers that were removed?

[fading knoll]

they could have cut their work force simply because of greed

[wraith notch]

I think the clear solution is to have parts of outfits seperate to buy

They are severely underestimating the power of animal ears (bear outfit, red panda outfit, etc have animal ears)

[soft burrow]

don't forget the cute frog hat hahaha

[digital frost]

or that.
But I still think overall prices should be adjusted. 2550 coins for an outfit is just too much, no matter how good it looks.

Just consider you could get actual, real, decent quality clothing for even less money.

[fading knoll]

it absolutely is. thing is people buy it and never play the game again. they'll also buy a whole outfit for a hat. when sales fall they'll likely make changes

[digital frost]

They can also charge for optional, non gameplay affecting services that are yet to be introduced, wouldnt mind that either. Like a name-change. Serves you no advantage really just cosmetic. make it 3 bucks or smth.

[pine hinge]

If they were happy with the profits the store was earning they would not have fired 50% of their dev team since the open beta launched (combining the two layoffs).

They should have adjusted their monetization after the first set of layoffs.

[raven orbit]

If they did that before adding character slots that would actually be absurd

[digital frost]

I mean: If you were just using a different character slot you'd lose all your progress if you wanted to change your name. Especially once you played that for a while, you'll nit want to go through that

[polar elbow]

the problem with monetizing cosmetics like they have, especially at the price they did, is twofold:
The high prices mean that if someone does buy an outfit, they're probably going to buy one or two at most, and just stick to wearing those. Just to, yknow, escape looking default.
The other problem is that, imo, Palia, as a game, needs to have a wider variety of earnable rewards aside from just housing decor. As someone who usually collects cosmetics in games, Palia offers nothing to work towards because there isn't any fashion I can earn at all. Same for pets, no earnable options. It makes it really hard to actually enjoy playing the game when all of my would-be goals are behind a paywall. If I'm not playing, I'm also not paying, yknow?

TLDR they need to stop trying to make entire item categories premium, and do it on a per-item basis instead.... I would gladly accept a premium furniture set(entirely cosmetic, of course) if it meant we could also get an earnable outfit or two, for example.

[odd lotus]

rip melbelle she got fired 😔

f's in chat

[raven orbit]

All of this.

[fading knoll]

that's too bad. looks like we're in for a change then. or the end.

[digital frost]

I'd also gladly take some more pets you can specifically get for coins, instead of them being an extra for buying coins in the first place.

[clever cove]

I want to be able to buy different parts of an outfit

[digital frost]

Make it a special-skin chapaa, a flying fish or whatever. Theres plenty of animals in the game that could be turned into cosmetic pets that have a model and rig ready, just need to be reskinned.

[raven orbit]

That really wouldn't fix the issue with their monitization though

[pine hinge]

I'd expect a big change. I think they thought the Switch and Steam releases would save them, now they know they have to change or close down.

[digital frost]

The main problem with monitization for them imo is the pricing.

[fading knoll]

even i knew the steam release wouldn't do anything. it's already on pc

[fiery perch]

the pricing, the things they are monetizing honestly. tarina explained/explains it quite well

[digital frost]

hell nah they better not shut down, I just gave in and spent some money.

[raven orbit]

It's the pricing but also the fact that they limit fashion to be a paid only thing. For many, myself included, that leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

[fading knoll]

they missed so many paying players too. they're unlikely to return unless they get the game in the news somehow

[digital frost]

I'm still rooting for a new map, like the elderwoods. would certainly make it exciting for others again, more than the temples could do. But then again, to develop a new map to add, you need devs. They got themselves into a really tough position there.

[raven orbit]

There's a lot of choices they'd made that have led a lot of people who usually would pay for cosmetics choose not to and unfortunately a lot of them are things they've said they blatantly won't change

[fading knoll]

maybe they can create a sweet leaf tea recipe in game and hope coca cola notices it. they may get a lawsuit that gets them free publicity, and then they can change the recipe name without any real issues.

[polar elbow]

I would honestly rather have a base pet that's free/earnable, with monetized skins for it and that way they could actually give pets cool features like being able to fetch loot for you since theyd only be monetizing the appearance and not the functionality. When pets have cool utility/abilities that makes you want to have them out all the time, that makes you want to customize it too

[gritty socket]

I'm pretty sure they've been working on the Elderwoods along with other content

It just takes a while for a new map with a small (now smaller) team

[pine hinge]

I've thought for months now that the temples were wasted development effort. They should have put those resources into adding more to do in the open world. The temples aren't part of the main game play loop, they're an extra. The main game play loop is go out into the open world, get resources, go back to housing plot and decorate. But the open world part of that isn't much fun and is very repetitive. But other than flow groves they haven't added hardly anything to the open world in the 7-8 months since launch.

[digital frost]

People keep mentioning a "Battle pass", not a fitting term for palia, but you get the drill. I'd be down for that.

Pay 5 bucks, spend your time and get rewards thatd usually cost more than 5 bucks. Its virtual, so they have unlimited stock of their cosmetics. Keeps player entertained by giving them goals and rewarding them with premium stuff for a relatively low price. Call it the Flow-Pass or whatever.

[carmine gyro]

It may be wrong to compare but the best of the best league of legend ultimate skins cost less than a single mid tier palia skin... it's non-sensical how they justify the prices.

[sinful mesa]

I like the temples but theu should make em multiplayer zones after complition with unique resources and stuff

[digital frost]

They'd get an active playerbase, encouraging new players to stay and get into the game, they'd earn money and others are eager to invest their time, working towards renewing goals.

[raven orbit]

I think the problem with that then is that they'd be devoting so much time to making paid content when F2P players are left in the dust. Which we've seen with clothing. I mean every patch there's at least three paid outfits.

There needs to be a middle ground of offering paid stuff, but also giving F2P players the time of day because they're the backbone of F2P games. If they don't feel they're being treated well if they're not paying, they're unlikely to pay or recommend the game to friends

[glass kiln]

See I hear you but also why do that when you can play a flat rate for a better feature full game. There’s nothing so different about Palia right now that any other farm sim doesn’t do better for a single purchase

[digital frost]

I've seen a quote by one of the devs I believe shortly after open beta release
"Palia is not pay to play but it is pay to slay", perfectly summing up your message, and I do agree with it

[polar elbow]

I told a friend about palia. As soon as they heard that there wasn't any earnable fashion whatsoever they said "hell nah" and refused to take a second look at it. They're losing a lot of would-be players because the only group who can actually enjoy the f2p experience are the housing decor enthusiasts, and every other form of self-expression is almost completely paywalled

[fiery perch]

The biggest thing is that, there needs to be more in general to do so people feel like they feel like it's worth spending that money. Because they know they'll keep playing. I know this is also personal preference; since I know there's a lot of people who do enjoy what the game has already!

But, there is also a lot that is lacking as a whole. Animal Husbandry would be great. More mutliplayer experience as a whole, and community-based stuff. Other gameplay mechanics-- so it's not something that feels like a repetitive grind (without many other activities). That seems to be one of the huge issues in general that the game has, that many people have said.

That's something that should be worked on, and something on the side in the sense of cheap, to get cosmetics (saying cheap in regards to 'bpass' suggestion, or even individual pieces of clothing).

I don't wanna put money into something that i dont think or that i know i personally wont really play much or at all.

Earnable cosmetics would also help. A lot. Let me show off that my fav skill is furniture making via some sort of clothing piece To show that i really worked for it, not just something i bought in the shop via currency.

[digital frost]

I've been hesitant to spend money for an outfit for the last 5 days, I feel it. I just got back into the game after 5 months of being inactive due to it becoming monotone. I wasnt sure if I kept playing or would drop out of it again after a few days.

I still am not, but feel like since I am playing a lot in the last time and enjoying my time, why not spend some money as if I actually bought the game

[rigid latch]

Staff got layoff and this is there voice on social media…

Source: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/mmo/palia-studio-singularity-6-is-the-latest-studio-to-suffer-layoffs/

[raven orbit]

Work was being deleted?? oh god that makes it even worse

[sinful mesa]

Yeah i wish the game can be monitized in a way that is a win for the players and the employees too

[ripe grotto]

I'm fine with microtransactions in free games but the pricing in this game are out of whack. People would gladly buy several €5-10 outfits, €25 for one is ridiculous. I would need to buy the €100 bundle to piece together the look I actually want.
The outfit bundles are straight up garbage and out of touch.
This game is mediocre at best, it has nothing that particularly stands out amongst the competition. This paired with its poor monitization will result in Palia's failure.
Which is a shame because I really like Palia and want to see it succeed. But it's not looking good rn

[raven orbit]

I mean..it can if the prices are lowered. Plenty of games monitize in ways that are good for the players and the company.

[rigid latch]

Not cozy for me anymore lol

After reading what is going on behind the scene.

[ripe grotto]

We need meaningful content updates, accessible microtransactions and even more types. (Animation packs for example) Lean into the social aspect and add to it.

[sinful mesa]

This is a random idea and im only speaking of my own thoughts, if they sold like housing plot skins (so your plot could be jungle themed for example) would you guys think that is nice

[raven orbit]

Literally they would make a killing off idle animations and emotes

[sinful mesa]

Cos i always thought they should do sth like that

[digital frost]

HELL YEAH!

[ripe grotto]

Hell, I'd buy another plot!

[raven orbit]

Depending on the price and if I see changes in the way things are run, 100%

[digital frost]

I want an underwater housing plot skin

[sinful mesa]

Yeah i want like a tropical theme or a glowy flowy theme or something

[digital frost]

complete with corals, a sand ground and fish flying around in the air as well as n oceantop layer in the sly to complete the illusion HEHEH

[sinful mesa]

Yessss

Also a flow crab that does this

[digital frost]

I mean the game literally revolves around magic, there wouldnt be any difficulties explaining this lore-wise!

[fading knoll]

sounds like animal crossing pocket camp

[digital frost]

scusi have you seen how much money animal crossing pocket camp makes?

[sinful mesa]

Yep!

[tranquil nest]

A tropical/beach themed plot would sound amazing

[digital frost]

And how much content it has? (though I do admit they do shoot the bird a bit, they revolve it too much around paywall)

[fading knoll]

i have not. i never spent money on it. i do like that you can earn currency to buy premium stuff though

[sinful mesa]

I wouldn't even mind if it was a little beyond just cosmetic but the actual plot changes a tiny bit too, like a river plot or the tropical plot has a beach too

[digital frost]

would also open up so many options to really round off your style.

[raven orbit]

Things like buyable buildings for your plot would be nice too. Like a little bakery shell you can buy and decorate the inside of. But that would need to be after changing the way the shop works so fashion isn't paid only.

[sinful mesa]

Yeah im overall open to new type of mtx like we discussed if it will help tbh

[fiery perch]

BASKERFY

sorry i got excited

[sinful mesa]

I want the game to last

[carmine gyro]

the ftp games that make the most money do. Animal Crossing, League of Legends, and even Disney Dreamlight Valley. You give players a taste and they are more likely to drop cash.

[fiery perch]

my dyselxia went all out
But BAKERY!! please. i love bakeries

[raven orbit]

there's a house in a game i play that is a bakery skin and i can't wait to decorate it!! it's the little things like that

[fiery perch]

i genuinely decorated a cafe already on my plot way back when i would CRY if i could make a dbkaery of some kind

like oh my GOD

[digital frost]

to sum it up,

-More reasonable price for microtransactions (!!!micro!!!transactions, its in the word, dear singularity 6. ->MICRO<-)
-more variety and options for cosmetics
-Earnable(!) cosmetics, that you can work towards and that you can show off/flex your favourite way to play and dedication with
-More content in general, to keep people invested into the game and easing the thought of "will I drop this game again within 3 days? is it even worth spending money if I am not sure if I'll keep playing?"

Anything I missed?

[raven orbit]

That sums up a lot of my thoughts on monitization.

[digital frost]

A lot to do, and even harder to realize when you reduce your team by half. Its like a spiral and they NEED to find a way out of it.

[autumn kernel]

I neeeeeed it lol

[pine hinge]

Even one of the people that work on cosmetics was laid off. That can't be a good sign given that's the only way they make money.

If there was one safe job in S6 you would think it would be in the cosmetics department.

[raven orbit]

It definitely doesn't inspire confidence, especially when they just had layoffs last november iirc (around the switch release)

[pine hinge]

Yeah, they've lost 50% of their workforce since launching the open beta.

After the first layoff you could really notice the difference in quality control. Thus, all the bugs we've been having for months. It's only going to get worse now.

[carmine gyro]

They are unlikely to get out of it. You see they want to see how much they can get from a few well-off players then when the player base lessens will they reduce the prices but by that point it is likely too late.

[fading knoll]

So if they don’t make changes in the premium shop by the next update… we can safely say this game is doomed.

That’s my current attitude after watching this discussion for 20 minutes

[pine hinge]

I wouldn't say by next update, that would be an impossible timescale to change it. But they better have a plan and prioritize it as soon as possible.

[digital frost]

Its digital numbers, and for all I know we dont know how long the next update is away. Given they reduced the devteam by 35%, its more than likely pushed further back by a considerable time.

[carmine gyro]

yeah it's not gonna be done in a month at all, but if the year mark passes and the same issues are there... it's not likely to get much better.

[fading knoll]

That sucks. It’s kinda a vicious cycle. I can’t spend money on a game in this state with a future so uncertain. Lots of players feel that way. To make it worse the premium shop prices are laughable. Hopefully the current paying players can keep it up for another year.

[digital frost]

If I read it earlier I sure as hell wouldnt have spent that money either ;-;

[old dirge]

unless it's closing a division or project, they have to cut across all functions at that size of a layoff for legal air cover per https://edd.ca.gov/en/jobs_and_training/Layoff_Services_WARN (they're small enough that they might get away with targeted layoffs, but that's a real bad look)

[wraith notch]

I am really betting on they are going to get contract and out sourced workers
Essentially they want cheaper work
/ just a statement

[signal kayak]

i agree with all of you on some level, and that's sad. this game has potential, i truly feel like we all can feel and see that it has the potential, it's there. but, losing a large part of your production team is going to hinder everyone else, which will have an impact on the game. if i wasn't unemployed, i probably would have put some money towards the game just to have the coins, because i don't really like any of the current designs (not my fashion style). but now, with how the development team is going, i don't know how long this will last

[pine hinge]

It sucks, I got reinvested into the game when they announced the building block feature. That they were doing something so big and ambitious had me hopeful for the future. But who knows if we'll ever get that now. Seems like the sort of thing that would be cut first.

When I saw the hot dog costume my first thought was "uh oh, the store isn't doing well and they're desperate."

[carmine gyro]

it depends if they released the dev outlook before or after the decision for layoffs...

[pine hinge]

Maybe it's completely unrelated but it's what came to mind.

[odd lotus]

@wanton oak they're real

[gritty socket]

IMO, the hotdog costume makes perfect sense for an April update

[carmine gyro]

but then again a common complaint of S6 is management has no clear vision for the game.

[pine hinge]

Yeah maybe. It's just so immersion breaking I immediately began to worry.

[pine hinge]

I think it was before. I don't think it was decided until they saw the result of the Steam release.

[pine hinge]

Adorable! And congrats!

[odd lotus]

10000 arrows later...

[pine hinge]

That's a lot of arrows. I only have the brown one, but I got pretty lucky as I wasn't even trying to get it. I was justing hunting for some meat to do some cooking. So it was a nice bonus.

[odd lotus]

you'll get the other ones i swear

[pine hinge]

One day! By accident. haha. I tend to avoid rng grinds though.

It'll just have to happen organically for me.

[fading knoll]

Yea i spent more time grinding today. It’s not that fun. Gonna go back to not doing that lol. The every hour phone game farming is enough for me

Wonder what their next platform is? Smartphones?

[pine hinge]

They're still not on PS, XBox, or Mac.

[fading knoll]

I imagine smartphone would be the most lucrative. They might wanna wait until the game has more content and not so many bugs to do anything else

[bright tiger]

Is that an emberborn gate?

[odd lotus]

yeah, you can place it inside of the maji market torii

[bright tiger]

Oh cool im going to try that out!

[ocean stone]

Omg so presh

[amber turret]

I want to add to this. People who are playing Palia and don't work at the studio, don't know what's going on behind the scenes. The layoffs suck, but they had to happen in order for the game to continue thriving and for the studio to stay afloat. I wish the best for the 49 employees that are looking for a new career path, but regardless, this game has a bright future and I'm going to support it every single step of the way. The content that is in development is probably still in development as well, just because people were laid off doesn't mean content is suddenly going to get cut. The people who work at S6 know what they're doing, we simply log on and play the game. That's just my 2 cents on the whole situation.

[odd lotus]

on the bright side we get new memes

[amber turret]

Wouldn't call people getting laid off a meme, but I see your point.

[odd lotus]

It isn't but ngl this is the main way I'm not losing faith in the game 😔

[chilly dome]

Boop

[shell prism]

alright guys do u think it’s better to give npcs their weekly wants or should we just give them a well liked gift that isn’t part of their weekly wants?

[amber turret]

I feel like Well liked would be better

[sour vault]

Where am I going to farm Plant Fiber for decorations? There are almost no bushes around and those who are present uncollectible! What's the point to place bushes as decorations instead of collectable ones?!

[rustic perch]

Go outside home plot and chop bushes otw to chaynes. There are also bushes around leafhopper

[clever cove]

It has a specific look, can be really confusing

There's some bushes on the way to the bahari bay warp that you can cut down

It's easy to confuse them with the cosmetic bushes and small trees

[amber turret]

Or you could just chop down trees, either way gets you Plant Fiber

[clever cove]

Trees don't give a lot, but the bushes give quite a bit

Cosmetic bushes kinda have a blue tint to them, while the plant fiber bushes have a greener tint

And the mini trees have visible trunks so don't cut those

[amber turret]

I haven't really needed Plant Fiber personally, only when I needed it for Furniture, but I just went out and chopped trees lol

[clever cove]

When I was fishing for bundle fish I wanted to have 5 hooks on hand

When I realized each hook cost 20 plant fiber..

[amber turret]

Which hooks? I usually buy the ones from Einar's guild shop when I'm farming for the Ancient Fish.

[rustic perch]

Can create a basic hook. One of the first recipes you get from Einar

[amber turret]

Oh gotcha, I just buy the Safety Zone booster so I don't lose the Ancient Fish

[rustic perch]

Works well for most fish but not so much for unicorn and ancient

[amber turret]

I have 7 Shiny Ancient Fish sitting in my house lol

[rustic perch]

But same as Luenna I farmed fiber to make hooks

I’m jelly

Haven’t really tried much for the ancient yet. Still need my star unicorn but out of the better hooks

[amber turret]

The time I got two ancient fish in one fishing session made me lose my mind

[rustic perch]

Wow. I bet

[kind glacier]

I did see the lay-offs news and yeah, lay-offs do suck and I truly do feel bad for those S6 employees and I wish them the best. However, I asked ChatGPT about why these lay-offs keep happening and the points in the results I got actually makes sense. I like using ChatGPT because any major question I have about certain things that bother me or I'd like to know that can't be fully answered by a Google search I can ask ChatGPT about instead because the AI knows exactly what I'm asking and provides me with answers that make a lot of sense. Here's the link if you wanna read it. https://poe.com/chat/25sp9nu90rrdljlwccj

[odd lotus]

got a screenshot instead?

[amber turret]

Yup. See, if the AI can understand it, everyone else can too.

[sour vault]

Its too slow.

[amber turret]

Fair enough, if you need it badly

[sour vault]

if you want it fast you will find out there is almost no bushes in Kilima(

[clever cove]

Once you can recognize the plant fiber bushes there's actually quite a bit! I often get around 100 fiber a trip

[odd lotus]

The ai has more sense than the leadership unfortunately

[regal delta]

They’re around from right outside the house and near the path from the town going into leafhopper hills. The ones that’ll give you more plant fiber have super thin tree trunks and are super green

[amber turret]

ok ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[clever cove]

Heres where I look for them, super green bushes no trunks

Also I think around here?

Cosmetic bushes have a blue hue to them while the fiber ones are very green, almost out of place lol

[sour vault]

The only bushes I found was around leafhopper. But what is Chaynes? I can't found it on the map nor in Kilima neither in Bahari. Is it another location?

[rustic perch]

Chayne’s home. It’ll be to your right from the home plot exit. Like you are headed to the phoenix shrine

[sour vault]

Cool, I should check this place. It will bring me another place to farm it)))

[clever cove]

I hope you find lots! I was also really confused by the cosmetic bushes, kinda wish they made them less common and replace with more fiber bush

[sour vault]

Oh, I'v figured it out now) Thx!

[rustic perch]

Yw

[clever cove]

I also wish the cosmetic bushes didn't look so close to fiber bushes

[sour vault]

Is there anything better to furniture skill upgrade then all kind of beds?

[clever cove]

Hmm I've always just made one of each furniture make sure your focus bar is full and your focus bonus is maxed out?

[sour vault]

I'v already crafted all I could to. I have no fusion planks and silk for those other fancy furnitures anyway. But I still want to level up my skill to catch up with other skills so I crafting cheap and rare quality Homestead Medium Beds) Which is I need plant feeber for.

[clever cove]

I'm not too sure then, since I've never tried grinding furniture levels I imagine the more difficult ones give a lot of exp

[spice spindle]

Crafting the furniture you've never crafted before is the quickest way to level up. Once you've done that, I just crafted a lot of chic & industrial furniture with excess copper and iron and threw them in storage. One of the bellflower shrub planters takes only 40 stone, and I made a tonnn of those after I finished my mining grinding.

Mining & furniture crafting go hand-in-hand, and if you have an excess of money you can run down to the register at Sifuu's shop and buy more planks and metal bars there.

[glacial blaze]

Good morning

Happy weekends guys

[amber turret]

Has anyone here ever gotten a shiny ruby? If so, how much is it worth compared to the normal 4k gold?

[brisk spruce]

all star items are 1.5x the non-star value. in the case of rubies, they're 4000 for non-star and 6000 for star

[amber turret]

That's what I thought, but the Wiki doesn't list the star price

[gritty socket]

Palia general is generalling again. Can I hang with you all?

[brisk spruce]

the wiki is only filled out by volunteers, the ones currently editing probably just wanted to confirm because if they don't confirm then if S6 changes it without notifying us they might not notice
here's a recent screenshot for confirmation though! #💬│palia-discussions message

[tidal cairn]

This game hates me. Around 2k iron ores sold too due to storage space, but Starred Sapphire and Starred Ruby has some kind of witness protection somewhere. I've gone from 12 mining to 39 without any focus from food

[shell mango]

I stopped caring about cooking

[fringe blaze]

Whats this

[mystic wren]

Heartdrop lily

[fringe blaze]

Thank youuu

[mystic wren]

Yes ofc

[haughty kernel]

This is stuck in my inventory. How can I get rid of it?

[hollow crescent]

you can sell it

[haughty kernel]

thank yo

[obsidian light]

i need this permanently

[hollow crescent]

omg that’s so cute

[wide hound]

A palcat palhat. Nice.

[visual thorn]

We found a Fishing Botter! Gillyfin cove

[azure glen]

I just had someone random on my plot basically insisting that I make them editor, what’s up with that lmao

[hollow crescent]

some people wanna take advantage of that so i wouldn’t unless you trust them not to cut your trees :/

idk why else they’d wanna be editor as a random

[azure glen]

Yeah I didn’t because I had never known them, they said they wanted to “harvest my spicy pepper” which wasn’t even ready to harvest hahaha I just left the game and came back. Super weird

[visual thorn]

Tried to rob you lol

[hollow crescent]

even as editor they can’t do that it goes to your inventory

[remote mango]

Wait… I haven’t played since mid November. Ppl who aren’t your friends can come on your plot now? 😳 I’ve missed so much. lol

[hollow crescent]

yea it goes npc only, friends/partymembers/communitymembers, then open to all on the server you get in

[azure glen]

Super lame that people would take advantage, I love having my plot open so people can join me in cooking and help water my garden but I’ll probably not make anyone editor hahaha

[visual thorn]

I open my Flower Farm to the public so people can come check it out. Havent had any issues yet

[hollow crescent]

yea that’s for friends only if doing atm but idk with cooking bugs

[inland crescent]

How do you know it's a bot?

[visual thorn]

The way he was fishing. It was SUPER fast. Like, no time for bobs. Just in and out of the water and then he would hold up like he had caught something tho we couldnt see anything. And it lasted over an hour. There were a whole crowd of us hanging out by him by the time i left. And he never responded to me or reacted to the fact we had like 6-7 people fishing around him and flaring him for more than an hour 😛

[safe island]

anyone else have the issue or know why when i try to unfriend people i cant, i have over half the list of online people unable to unfriend. i need to make spaces for cake parties but im always going through so many people i cant delete...

[delicate cape]

Is this happening to anyone else? It's only happening on two walls in my home and it seems to be the walls opposite of where the extension is. The wall of the extension room is being changed to whatever is on the other side?? So in the images attached, the wall on the left in the first image is supposed to be red, but it keeps changing to green (as shown in the image), and I think it's because the wall is green on the other side (shown in the second image)!

[wraith notch]

What does it say to stop you? also make sure to bug report it

[wraith notch]

wallpaper inconsistency has been an off and on issue since release sadly 😭

[delicate cape]

I've only just noticed this recently! It's not a huge problem, can always just reapply the wallpaper that I want, it's just a little frustrating!

[safe island]

its just not an option

[wraith notch]

like you dont see the unfriend option at all?

[safe island]

correct

[wraith notch]

veryyyyy strange

[safe island]

idk why its doing it but its not very consistent as i can right now but earlier i cant unfriend anyone.... i have it on vod i think, ill try to find a video of it cause now its not happening XD but it has happened everytime i go to delete people

[fading knoll]

Entering and exiting plot view should bring it back

[heady arch]

The song "Never getting rid of me" comes to mind.

[safe island]

im not at plot tho

[fading knoll]

K

[latent blade]

Does anyone know what the spawn rate for || Flow seeds || are?

[vagrant star]

I heard it's ||25% from the vault of root rewards||.

[lavish ferry]

It’s not the ||Temple of the Roots rewards, it’s the Galdur statue from the Vault of the Roots||

You don’t get normal seeds from flow trees, you get flow tree seeds.

[vagrant star]

Oh, right, I'll edit it, thanks!

[latent blade]

Thank you for your reply 🙂 I'm asking because my Fiance has gotten at least 4 this week and i haven't gotten anything at all so i was just wondering about it

[wraith notch]

Seems like your fiance would be unstoppable in D&D

[valid junco]

Will what happened effect the patch time lines because I really don't want my expensive paid outfit to be broken forever

[weary void]

I haven’t gotten any yet either.

[weary void]

There’s no way to know. I just wish someone higher up had taken a pay cut instead of letting so many staff members go. The ones who actually do the work always seem to get cut. 😔

[valid junco]

Always the way it goes. Looking at the things that shall not be named it seems like they had a lot of work lined up for a new area and typical corperate cruelty would dictate that's a perfect time to let people go

[weary void]

Apparently so. I can’t imagine doing so much work and then not even being around when it’s launched to see how people like it. It’s very sad that greed destroys so much.

[valid junco]

Should I ask for a refund?

[robust current]

@alohomora_ I'm already on the 19 flow tree. A Flow seed came every 4 days for me. So far I have 3 of the 4 species. After becoming mature, the Flow Trees give 1 Flow Seed.

[valid junco]

I don't know if they are but I feel like if I bought something very pricey on their store, and then they broke it, and don't fix it...I should be refunded? It wasan't a dontation, it was s sale.

[lucid hornet]

I was gone for some months, but from all i've seen, they still didn't release alot of the content which was in development (and is still not announced) in january. I guess there should be at least some content they could release.

But overall, i am kinda shocked about the current state. I expected the game to have far more progressed than it has, especially since they worked on some interesting stuff. Adding layoffs on top of that looks pretty bad.

Many of the regular chatters (which were actually criticizing the game) here got (to say it in the words of ex s6-members) 'thanos snapped' too.

[valid junco]

Before I rage quit the game there was sooo much more going on in disocrd so im not shocked by that, actually explains a lot

[glass kiln]

If you’re still in the window you can chargeback, you might get hit with the account/ip ban which depending on your feelings might not be a loss and light work if you want to get around it. Now I’m mad I forgot I could chargeback months ago

[valid junco]

Why wont the game refund me? They are the ones that broke the outfit?

[lucid hornet]

well, tbh. i can't really say much about what happened the last months, but the layoffs itself aren't that shocking, it had to happen, but I didn't expect it so soon.

the game isn't in a state in which you could reduce the workforce and increase the times between content updates.

[lucid hornet]

all of that is weird stuff, because there isn't really a law they would break. (as far as I know)
you bought their weird ingame currency, you got it, so they 'delivered' the stuff you bought.

last thing i remember, was checking their switch patches.
i am pretty sure they already hid the beta label there, no?

[fiery perch]

It doesn't mention beta anywhere on the switch for Palia, correct.

[valid junco]

They made some blog post and discord apology but then NEVER ACTED ON IT?! I'm so confused, why didn't they update the Switch page if they were so sorry?

[scarlet hazel]

all i can hope for is someone is keeping the code and when palia goes down, they can bring the game back and actually put meaningful work into it. i dont wanna see this game disappear into nothingness because it IS a good game and it can do good

the company just sucks too much and has too garbage of a rep to keep it afloat. they arent at blizzard or riot anymore, theyre on their own

[lucid hornet]

That person would be so F'ed as soon as it gets leaked or used in any way.

[charred citrus]

👀 i am a relatively new player and enjoying the game

[valid junco]

No I don't see it and the 'blog post' isn't even pinned to the front page of steam what is the point!?

[charred citrus]

well at least i didnt buy the overly expensive cosmetics lol

[valid junco]

DARNIT

I did and they broke it, it looks so ugly now 😠 💢

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. like id settle with them selling it to someone i know will at least end up at least updating the game and keeping it afloat instead of whatever s6 is doing rn

[wraith notch]

pry palia from my cold dead palian hands

[scarlet hazel]

id rather get the minecraft treatment then whats going on rn tbh 😔

[wraith notch]

I am not in favor of their tactics, but they are likely going to replace most of the employees they let go with cheaper contract/outsourced work so I'm not worried about the game going under or anything

[lucid hornet]

well, tbh. without any insights its kinda hard to judge, but i'd guess they would sell the whole thing to some shady company.

~9k simultaneous players on steam isn't too bad, based on the assumption that alot play on switch or didn't switch from their own launcher to switch.

[hollow crescent]

that’s what fanfic and fan art is for

[scarlet hazel]

its just gonna go down slower really. you cant rely on contractand outsourced things forever

[valid junco]

so slow they'll never fix my paid outfit 😢😢😢

[lucid hornet]

well - but even if these players stay, they don't have anything for consistant moneyflow.

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. most who buy the cosmetics are either white knights, very new players, or people who have expendable income really. the adverage player isnt gonna spend the money one outfit cost in game

[valid junco]

or big dummies like me

[scarlet hazel]

but what AAA game would be worth the price and be functional these days lol

[valid junco]

If I bought BG3 instead of this outfit, one would still be working right now

[lucid hornet]

yep, was typing that already.
Sadly there are no details about their infrastructure, but the fact they spoke about memoryleaks and "forced restarts" of their servers seems weird to acknowledge. That shouldn't be needed in the first place. Would actually be interesting what kind of hardware they need for these 25 player servers, in that amount that will actually get expensive real fast.

[languid nymph]

glad to have you here! i enjoy it too

[charred citrus]

im just gonna enjoy the game while it lasts

at least im not losing anything, because im having fun the meantime

[valid junco]

just don't buy anything

[charred citrus]

too expensive for shiny pixels 💀

[marble eagle]

who did you guys choose to romance? i’m stuck between tish, ruth or hassian

[modern rock]

just romance all of them 😛

[marble eagle]

i like your style 😮‍💨

[charred citrus]

Einar and tish for now

[lucid hornet]

simply need to add to that:
they already did so, a lot of the outfits are credited to 3rd-party studios.
outsourcing everything won't work out in the long term. (esp. with their rather unusual 'idea' of the servers, you can't just use any random developer and expect him to be able to work on this project)

speculation, like basically anything, there was never much communication from s6.

[heady arch]

Which outfit is still broken?

[valid junco]

Soothsayer

[heady arch]

This has been fixed with the last update, has it not? My best friend uses it, and it works fine. What's wrong with yours?

[valid junco]

No it was broken last update for me

[heady arch]

What is wrong with it?

[valid junco]

one color turns my character into a lightbulb, the other colors have all the wrong patterns all over them

[quick anvil]

Okay layoffs, damn! I was hoping this game would enter most of its content in the years still to come, sort of like other big mmos did.. Throught expansions and stuff.. Not just fire 35% and then outsource to "maintain" the game..

[heady arch]

That's very odd. We literally cooked last night together and she was wearing it. It was working completely fine. Have you tried changing into a different outfit, and then tried again?

[heady arch]

How very odd. She uses the purple variant, and it got fixed in the last hotfix.

[valid junco]

If you were not sure what it looked like before you may not notice

[heady arch]

I know that this happened before the last patch. I've seen it on her. But the last hotfix solved her issue. That's why i am asking. :''D

[umbral relic]

Still haven’t fixed the astronomer outfit though

[valid junco]

[fiery perch]

this is so strangeee because it looks fine for me!!
saying strange bc it seems to be still affecting other people i mean!!

[safe ibex]

For such a cozy game, the state of affairs at S6 seems decidedly un-cozy

[raven linden]

at the end of the day its a business, and all businesses are the same

[signal kayak]

probably because if they decide to try to change too much about their monetization forms (move from a f2p to p2p for example), they might lose more people than bring into the game

[thorny bramble]

Have the fixed the order Sernuk plush glitch yet?

They*

[celest maple]

not yet, order sernuks drop like crazy

[thorny bramble]

I read there is a 1/100 chance for proudhorn vs a 1/1000 for the other seenuks

[thorny bramble]

Awesome! I know what I’m doing tonight!

Interesting! As someone randomly hopping into this conversation, I feel like I would totally buy this game for maybe $20(?) as it stands now with mixed reviews.

[celest maple]

From my experience is that I can get one Order Sernuk a day, and after that I can hunt for hours and get not a single one. Currently I have 4 of them.

[thorny bramble]

Oh wow! It took me 10 straight hours to get the elder Sernuk plush of just hunting 😂 I got it though and it’s now my prized plush

[celest maple]

$19.99 is a good price, yep

[heady arch]

I would absolutely pay £20 to play the game.

[thorny bramble]

I know I won’t pay over $20 for a game with mixed reviews. If it had hands down, overwhelming reviews, was out of beta, and was ticking all my boxes- I would pay more. And totally could see that for this game in maybe a year or two

[signal kayak]

but changing it now, after saying from the start that it's f2p will completely ruin the credibility of s6 (more than what some people show now) for not being able to be reliable (saying one thing, then change it). kinda happened with dreamlight valley, all the way through that game's beta/early access (people paid to be a part of) the dev's said that it was going to be f2p, but at the moment it went full release, they went back on it and said that it was going to be paid. a lot of people, myself included, dropped out of looking at the title because it was going to be free

[celest maple]

No, only if it was priced $19.99 from the beggining, not now. It's a F2P game forever... as long as it's in the BETA. After that phase, that price would be understandable.

[signal kayak]

i think that if they wanted to get more people to give money to the game, and keeping with the cosmetics format only, they should look into lowering the current prices of the clothes (so that it doesn't cost a AAA game for one set of outfits maybe no more than 10usd for a set) and possibly look into palcat outfits as well (maybe under 5usd)

[celest maple]

This aspect will expand for sure. The Palcat Outfits with the tails, that would sell 🙂

[heady arch]

Genuine question now... But what outfit actually costs that much? I keep hearing this argument, but even the highest prices outfits only cost roughly £21 for me, unless i want to buy all three colour variants. And there's usually only one i like.
And i don't think there's any AAA game you can get for £21 :'') I remember paying £60 for Diablo 4.

Just so you see where i am coming from - the most expensive outfits are 2550 coins. I buy 1700 coins for £14, and 850 coins for £7, so... £21 for the outfit.

[modern rock]

even if they kept the price the same, they could at least let you pick which 3 colour palettes you want. it feels like worse value when i often don't like at least one of the colour palettes in each set of 3

[signal kayak]

maybe not a full AAA game, but some of the full bundles (all three sets at one purchase) costs 5,100 coins. in order to get those coins you have to spend 48usd in order to get them

[heady arch]

Maybe for a full bundle, yes, but is there any outfit where you actually like all nine colours and aren't satisfied with one variant? :'')

[modern rock]

also for me at least, i would be reluctant to pay for palia if it became paid rather than F2P just because it's online only. there's no way of knowing if they'll close the servers one day and you won't be able to play the game you paid for anymore.

[celest maple]

I agree, some colors look better on other variants of the outfit and buying individual outfit parts would be a nice addon.

[signal kayak]

there are people out there (and i would be a part of that group) that would want all the things just so that if/when i felt like changing outfits i don't see the little lock beside them

[signal kayak]

why i hate digital games, honestly. give me physical copies of things. at least i own the game that way

[runic eagle]

I've suggested this in feedback a few times to allow us to choose which of the 3 within the same set we would prefer, hopefully they may allow us to do this in the future 🤞

Color selections matter a lot to me as well when choosing whether to buy an outfit or not.

[lucid hornet]

bit late, but since palia is liveservice, you either go the f2p route or you go the monthly cost route. a simple one time purchase wont financially cover the player. (at least not over a longer timespan)
getting players to pay monthly is harsh.

[signal kayak]

if they move to a monthly payment game will be d.o.a. as it stands right now

[valid junco]

Yeah it's beyond hope

[midnight sand]

Do groves despawn?

[prisma summit]

No, not unless people chop em... XD

[midnight sand]

What about if it comes time to the next spawn at 12?

This sever I’m on, we have no found it and it’s 3pm in the game lol

[heady arch]

There's a chance someone silently chopped it

Sometimes people don't call it out and just chop it down quickly with one friend

[uneven ocean]

It can potentially despawn. I had loot despawn when it normally wouldn't. But I think tree wise as well as anything else, they stick to the 4 time cycle. The morning, evening, night, and dusk. Or however it breaks down. I have seen stuff change or disappear due to time.

[scarlet atlas]

what does this mean guys?, please help

[hollow crescent]

https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1135680775698792488 maybe someone in here would know

[scarlet atlas]

thankss

[celest maple]

what the

how long is this even gonna take im still level 1 on everyone

[stoic frost]

3-4 weeks probably

[celest maple]

like irl?

[stoic frost]

Yeah irl, you can speed it up a little by doing a daily chat every hour, but that's about it beyond weekly gifting

[celest maple]

thats crrazy

[serene barn]

If everything in the game is easily done then player retention would be basically 0

[coral coral]

The current main storyline doesn't go too far past that quest anyway. Think of it as a late game goal and unpin the quest if it bothers

[serene barn]

cause what do you have to look forward to or work towards if you could just complete it all within a day

[celest maple]

my player retention is going to go to 0 from the fact i have to spend multiple weeks doing a single quest

[coral coral]

I think it's just one of those quests that get hoisted on new players too early

[serene barn]

I mean like Capybara said, its something that is a late game goal*

[signal kayak]

yeah, the find your shepp is a late game/work at your own pace sort of quest

[spare seal]

anyone know what this is? they keep popping up in a circle

[signal kayak]

i believe they are particle aftereffects of certain premium outfits of people that teleported away from that spot, but that's only what i've seen floating around here

[spare seal]

interesting, they just kept popping up and disappearing for quite a while

[formal jacinth]

Are there any actual use for gold bars besides selling them? I made a few and kept them just in case we need them for a quest of some sort but just want to verify

[serene barn]

Honey Lures!

[formal jacinth]

ooOOoOoO okay awesome thank you for confirming for me!!

[minor kayak]

That's it.
After I can't even tell y'all how many hundreds..thousands of sernuk hunted and not a single plush drop. I no longer believe they exist 🥴

[woeful plover]

I really just want to learn to do a "moonwalk" as clean as this seernuk's

[minor kayak]

Lol they are bonkers out here

[serene barn]

How about furniture making gets a new recipe where you can craft plushies from the resources you gather/hunt and I dont have to hunt for HOURS on end for plushies.

[fluid cave]

Nothing could've prepared me for the fact that Sifuu has you read what's basically self-insert lesbian fanfiction about herself saving a beautiful lady HAHAHA

[sick coral]

I GOT IT

[woeful plover]

So pleased for you!
That one was a PAIN--and I STILL don't have a starred one.

[fluid cave]

CONGRATULATIONS!!

[sick coral]

Thank you!!! I don’t know if I have the energy to ever try for a star one 😂😂😂

[amber turret]

that behemoth is the bane of my existance

[sick coral]

When I tell you it took me DAYS

My blood pressure has never been so high. There were so many others running around with buzzy jars looking for it too

[amber turret]

Oh it took me days as well, until someone did a honey lure.. damn creature nearly flew off the ledge of a bahari cliff and I almost missed my one catch smoke bomb

[woeful plover]

Yeah I used a lure eventually.
..and still didn't get it on the first try.

[sick coral]

Now I just need the giant Kilima stingray, flametongue ray, unicorn fish, and void ray. Joy 😂

[woeful plover]

Unless they've changed it, that Unicorn Fish will anger you.
I recommend Yoga..

[sick coral]

I know I’ve been purposely avoiding it 😂😂 I’m just really bad at fishing, so I know when I finally get it after 100 tries I’m gonna loose it

[amber turret]

Fishing is easier than bug catching imo

[sick coral]

Bug catching was only easy for me because of the candles and the bombs you can one shot bugs with. Without that I’d be screwed. I wish fishing had some kind of advantage

[amber turret]

Yeah it's the fishing hooks Einar Sells

[tough adder]

I really wish they would add dances

[young plank]

The amount of people that would troll dance is crazy if they drop that.

[tough adder]

Hot dog costume would be better with a little disco dance

I mean we can’t kill each other. Bring on the “troll” dancing

[sick coral]

People already abuse the flares lol

[tough adder]

Oh no.. flares xD

An mmo without dancing is no mmo at all

[amber turret]

Can't wait to hit the griddy on people who poach sernuks for a plushie

[young plank]

ive got one left! till they patch disco deer. im happy they all dropped within two days of my hunting xD

[amber turret]

If dance emotes were added, they would probably be a paid emote

[young plank]

5 bucks watch XD

[tough adder]

Omg I hope not.

[amber turret]

No doubt, making the emotes sometimes requires someone to be in a suit to do the animation

That costs money to do lol

Even if they're doing everything animation wise in house, that's time and resources spent too

[tough adder]

I mean.. It would depend entirely on how they coded movement in the first place. I’m sure they have the power.

[amber turret]

I imagine we'd see something like paid emotes towards full launch maybe, probably low on the priority list

[tough adder]

I’d rather have dances then 1000 new costumes

[amber turret]

The hot dog suit is the only thing I've bought in a while, only because I don't like most of the outfits and I'm looking for that orange/blue color scheme

[tough adder]

Ya I may have spent too much on costumes xD

[amber turret]

I think I've spent close or at least a hundred bucks on the game so far, I count the IRL Chapaa plush too

[sick coral]

👀 excuse me can you still get this

[young plank]

oh i have spent more then that LOL

[lyric bolt]

who did y'all choose to be ur shepp help im so indecisive

[tough adder]

No one. I’m holding on to the free cut scene incase a quest buffs out.

[amber turret]

The IRL Plush? No, I know they made roughly 30 - 45k off of that guy, since over 3,000 people bought it

[sick coral]

Aw man

[amber turret]

Einar, he's been my best friend since Day 0

[sick coral]

I wish I took time to pick my shepp I chose the bald guy

[amber turret]

Dude likes Rocks and Fish, what more could I ask for?

[lyric bolt]

i love einar but reth is calling my name. however he's probably not the best role model my man is depressed

[sick coral]

That’s my husband 😘

Speaking of which would love to see them add marriage to the game

[lyric bolt]

me too i reckon that's a reasonable ask

[sick coral]

They already added a wedding outfit

[amber turret]

50% of marriages lead to divorce.. wait is that why they made wedding outfits..

[lyric bolt]

with these new bridal outfits like come on!!

[young plank]

lol i guess im odd i dont like any of the chars for romance. Quite in fact i dont even deal with talkin to the npcs LOL i have 1 char at lvl 4 and thats einar

[sick coral]

I just really like learning their story lines

[amber turret]

Kenyatta was love at first sight for me tbh

[lyric bolt]

i normally get so bored talking to npcs in other games but the villagers in palia have so much more to them

[amber turret]

The dialogue you get from Kenyatta is funny when you romance her, she just goes hey wanna make out in my mom's office?

[sick coral]

Reth is suggestive and sweet, he says “thanks for giving me a chance” id do anything for that man

[amber turret]

I've been thinking about romancing tish.. but I won't cheat on Kenyatta, I know better!

[lyric bolt]

i was so ready to go for kenyatta nd then i found out her and nai'o been sneaking around. so now i want both of them

[sick coral]

I think they’re into polygamy

[lyric bolt]

yeah collect em all

[young plank]

See i havent done the work but from others spoiling things over the months LOL i can tell jel needs to get out of town and reth oh boy such a criminal. Just none of the chars make me feel like i want to put in the work. Maybe i just like the grinding aspect and with every nerf it makes me happy cause more grinding. Most work i did was make einar my shepp cause i needed to choose to progress the story.

[amber turret]

I literally said LET'S GO when Kenyatta said My pin looks better on you than Nai'O

[sick coral]

Yeah reths a criminal but a hot criminal also he did it for his sister

[sick coral]

Omg she says that? 😂

[tranquil nest]

#facts

Reth hella grew on me, and is definitely my type lolol

[sick coral]

I need to bring him up in therapy 😂

[lyric bolt]

reth is the default bad boy of the village but he's so sweet

[tranquil nest]

If anyone likes Final Fantasy 15, I learn the VA for Reth is the same guy who voices Prompto so of COURSE that made me love him more alskdfjalskjdfa

[young plank]

yeah have no idea who that is lol but yeah i dont know i do not like reth whatsoever

[fading knoll]

Wish they woulda made caleri more attractive. Like the type where she looks strict and proper with her hair up and glasses on, but when she lets her hair down and takes her glasses off she’s hot.

Her unraveled side could have been portrayed in her pic

[serene barn]

Like Velma in the live action

https://tenor.com/view/linda-cardellini-scooby-doo-velma-gif-23801816

[fading knoll]

Yes lmao. Woulda been great. I already like caleri’s personality. Would be cool if she was romanceable.

[stone sigil]

i found this game very singleplayer unfriendly, to get best focus foor you need party cooking, to progress with story you need party to get flow infused wood which are only obtainable by foraging with party, party - im lone wolf, im playing alone

at this point am stuck with story - cant make watcher furniture

im friend request planks but also other half of friends looking for that planks

[cyan belfry]

Flow infused wood is flow trees right? People put in chat when flow trees appear :3 You all go there together and hit the tree once

[stone sigil]

i like playing with others sometimes but usually as im online running around bahari looking for flow infused trees im usually alone there

[cyan belfry]

oh weird, i had people running to flow trees that i spotted (cant even cut them myself yet)

[stone sigil]

i have nothing against multiplayer games, i love them but regardless party activity i want to way to get them alone

honestly, at this point im feeling forced to play with others 😛

[icy frost]

took me ages to get that

[safe dirge]

Yeah this butterfly is a pita

Haven't seen one in weeks and suddenly I got two of them

[remote moss]

has anyone from S6 made a statement on the recent layoffs here or somewhere else?

[amber turret]

#📢│community-news

[half lance]

After this large wave of layoffs of 49 employees, a number of questions naturally arise, as there had already been some layoffs before that. What will happen to Palia? Unfortunately, there is no information from the developer on this yet. Unfortunately, many of the promised updates have not been released yet. Unfortunately, there is no community center/map, no guild tasks, no larger camp for players, no mounts, no game expansion, no animals like cows or bees 🐝 to farm. All communities are currently asking themselves, will Palia die? Why don’t they change the store and offer things like more farm space or larger camps? There should be a change in the store. Unfortunately, which I find a shame, there is no further information on this. Many things that were promised have not yet appeared. There is also no roadmap of what we can expect. Only small snippets in a DEV post. It would really make more sense if S6 gave a roadmap and an outlook on what we can definitely expect before the whole game goes down the drain.

[abstract rune]

but have you considered the fact the game is still in beta? ...|| (jk if it's not obvious 😂)|| better communication about the state of the game and what's coming would definitely help. people have been begging for a road map for way too long

[half lance]

Yes, I thought about that, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to freely express my opinion about it. Of course it's a wonderful game. Without saying anything against it, but if things don't change direction, it will just stay in beta and eventually be gone completely. Unfortunately, fate has already cost so many good games their lives and the signs are there.

[frozen falcon]

They mention a little bit of what we can expect in future updates here https://palia.com/news/dev-update-6

[abstract rune]

dw I was joking about the beta thing cos of gen chat lol. I'm waiting to see what will happen in the next update or if communication improves. I still think there's hope for the game but i'm realistic about it after months of some things not changing but assurances they're listening to feedback (flow trees still spawning out of bounds since launch are a big pet peeve of mine, among many others)

[dense gale]

Tbh, this repeated discussion of is Palia shutting down is getting exhausting. Too many of these discussions are just bickering that one opinion is right and everyone else is wrong. 😞

[frozen falcon]

I understand how you feel! People just want the game to succeed and care a lot, so understandably some get a bit upset and scared things might go wrong... And now and then someone who wasn't aware yet pops up and talks about it starting another talk. We all just want things to work out. But again it can get exhausting as you said

All we can do is send our love and support and hope for the best 🤞

[dense gale]

Exactly. There comes a point where we need to understand that a business doesn’t need to justify its business decisions to people that aren’t investors and stakeholders. Yes transparency and communication and accountability is great and kinda expected in our society these days, but we don’t always get it. Feels like this discord beats a dead horse sometimes.

[abstract rune]

gonna be real - nothing was said in this channel for nearly an hour, so 'exhausting' seems over the top. secondly, it's a discussion channel, where you'll see things that don't always align with your point of view. as long as people are civil to each other it's fine, but it's a consistent theme that anything remotely critically discussing the game gets shut down. people could also say that the responses to things like that are beating a dead horse, or you could just move past it and start a new discussion about something more positive rather than commenting on it if it bothers you. people who are new and want to give an opinion should be able to without being told they're being exhausting or whatever, especially when zero conversation was happening beforehand

and also for every 1 person that says something like that, i can guarantee they'll be 10 who will tell them to expect less/ not complain in some variation or another. which might be why those things aren't listened to. seen it consistently here since launch

[frozen falcon]

It can end up going in a circle that's also true haha

[dense gale]

The original poster also posted it in Gen chat at the same time as here. All I’m trying to say is that the discussion around this that I’ve seen has been so much bickering and not constructive discussion and THATS the part that’s getting exhausting.

There’s so much doom and gloom in the world right now. And we’re jumping to it here too.

[frozen falcon]

It's always fine to agree to disagree on things and move on, or just disengage if things bother you, that's totally fine. But as long as we stay respectful it's all good

[abstract rune]

i agree the bickering is a bit much, but they probably posted it here to discussions because you get the predictable response of "it's beta" if you say anything in gen chat without any discussion lol

[dense gale]

That’s another topic that just always goes in circles and makes people nasty 🤦🏼‍♀️

[abstract rune]

true, i don't think anyone wants a rehash of that topic lmao. i will say the pushback on that from so many people is probably why there was some communication on it. same with accessibility (even if it was a small section in an update). that's why i don't mind criticism even when it's repetitive because it does help imrpove the game for everyone in the long run

[polar elbow]

I mean, I do think that people should be allowed to discuss their criticism of the game without people trying to shut them down, as long as said criticism/discussion remains respectful
It's just that.... from what I've seen, a lot of the regulars in this channel feel like this is the only place where other people (usually) allow that discussion to take place without trying to immediately shut it down, and as such, they get, shall we say.... defensive, when people do come in with the usual "its beta!" or "it's free, stop complaining" comments. But I'll leave it at that.

As for the sentiments regarding the game itself... there's a lot of concern about the layoffs, steam release, and the general state of the game right now, and that's completely understandable. It's a hot topic right now, for sure. I personally love palia's concept, its lore, its characters, and I want the game to succeed, but I feel like S6 really needs to take a good look at their game and really think about what they want palia's niche to be, and focus on that

[coarse abyss]

That is indeed the takeaway here

Discussions are perfectly okay as long as they stay respectful. We (mods) are not here to defend the company at any cost, especially when it comes to awful business practices

This topic will pass with time, just like every other topic. Right now, there are still people coming in every day who just found out about the news and are looking for answers

[wraith breach]

Hiya! Has anyone played Palia in Steam yet? Do you have to sign in every single time in Steam as well?

[polar elbow]

From what I've heard, steam automatically handles the login when you boot up palia through steam

[coarse abyss]

Yep, you just have to link your Palia account to Steam

[polar elbow]

so you dont have to type in the username/password every time

[wraith breach]

Oh my goodness. I'm switching to Steam NOW.

[shell mango]

The beta comments are really bad how long exactly is this game gonna be in beta? Main story is far from finished, there are multiple regions that need to be added, hunting is a very unfinished skill, ranching is not in the game, alchemy is not in the game, any sort of combat is not in the game, there are no MMO features and every month they update the game just to add small features. So like... considering this game has been in development for 5+ years how longer is it supposed to be in beta?

Because once a month updates only with how unfinished the game is and with the updates they usually give us every month I'd say this game would need 10 years to get out of beta

[polar elbow]

And this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say they need to think about a niche, and focus on it
The game has a lot of different features, but all those features are, if I may be blunt, really shallow. It's like they just made a checklist of "what's typically in a cozy game?" and are just going down the list, implementing as many of those things as they can, but failing to really flesh any of them out

I personally feel like Palia needs to focus on its 'MMO' niche more than anything else. It being an 'MMO' is basically the thing that sets it apart from all the other cozy games out there atm, and I think its crazy that they're failing to capitalize on that

[shell mango]

Palia's niche is being an MMO yes then they should capitalize on that, Fae Farms has this dungeon like system where you can go adventuring with other friends and slaying monsters it's also a cozy game, there could be hunting events like a beast that takes multiple people to take down which would make hunting an actual skill as a result, magic combat just has to be a thing, they can't ignore that longer sorry and if they wanted the game to be an actual MMO there should have been an option to have human neighborhoods. Seriously why the hell do we not have human neighborhoods???

[ripe grotto]

Palia isn't an MMO, it never was. That was blatant false advertising. I like the game but let's call a spade a spade.

[lucid hornet]

Well, they even limit how much items you can place on your 'single' plot.
I guess they just can't handle the amount of entities needed for something like neighborhoods.

[shell mango]

You can thank the switch release for that 😍

[abstract rune]

true. it's weird reading older stuff and how they envisioned the game though (which did make it sound like it'd be an MMO) to what was actually delivered. completely agree it isn't one, but they should be focusing on the multiplayer aspects to set it apart like tarina said

[polar elbow]

Welcome to Palia, a cozy community sim MMO made for you and your friends! Explore a vibrant new world and craft the life of your dreams and befriend the colorful characters around you.```
^ On the steam page, they're still calling it an MMO. So the MMO label is how they're *currently* advertising it, even now
to which I say, they need to implement actual MMO features if they insist on calling it an MMO

[lucid hornet]

Yes, thanks to the switch its even worse, but I dont think the game would handle it anyway. Back when they added toggleable lights, you were able to lag everyone on a plot, just by placing a lot of them and turning one off and on.

I guess there are reasons there aren't many MMO's based on Unreal. - Especially with Unreal 5 still needing a lot better hardware to get comparable results as 4.

[hollow crescent]

tbh i think they had all these plans, and when they launched on switch it pivoted a lot of things , idk if/when that new switch comes out it’s better that they can increase sizes, and in one of their blog posts they acknowledged memory leaks and that’s why there’s loading screens so it “gives time for maps to empty of players”

[lucid hornet]

I always had a big problem with the "MMO" label on palia.
I simply can't see a future in which this game will ever feel like a real MMO. For me the point of a MMO isn't just 'some' multiplayer aspects, it's more of a feeling. Going to the main city, main spot for x and there are 50 (or even way more) players, feels way different than seeing some random player running around every few minutes.

If they weren't able to handle more players (on one server) in the barebone versions of the game, chances are low they will be once they add even more content.
Adding decreased workforce to that, it basically gets impossible that they are able to invest the time to work on something such big and fundamental, which will impact everything else.

Putting personal stuff aside, the current marketing with the MMO label just hurts the game, players just expect something very different than Palia offers.

[ripe grotto]

Rehire the laid off devs, fire manglement. I have very little faith in the future of Palia because of its mismanagement, it's a failure of leadership. I feel bad for those who've worked on this game because you can see the passion and love they put into it. People at S6 clearly care about this project, it's the lack of direction that's going to kill it.

[polar elbow]

I am 100% in agreement with you, I too think that it's a failure of management and leadership more than anything else, and I feel for the devs who poured all this love into the game, only for all this -gestures at everything- to be happening

[worn basalt]

Personally my #1 issue is their vagueness and lack of clarity of things in the game and things being added. Would it have killed them to say "flowers are capped at 500" instead of "This means if you filled your entire plot with flowers" which misleads players to think they can indeed fill up their entire plot with flowers, which I tried to do in an empty plot so I could have a field of wild flowers. That is how I found the cap.

And are you working on the 3 flowers that were removed from the game? Are you adding them in a future patch? Any idea when? Or are you quietly not bothering to fix it?

[bold bluff]

The gaming industry in general is a mess, most of the games seems to be in beta, tons of bugs, unfinished features, I personally still play Palia, until i finish all the achievements, which im almost there, and waiting for a game to come out that suit me

[abstract rune]

ik they're advertising it as one, and it is very confusing for anyone coming to the game and hoping for an MMO like experience when there's less coop content in palia than there is in games where coop is an addition/ after thought (like stardew). i went back a while back and was reading some of the oldddd articles about how they envisioned the game and it was so wild. most of it was about palia being a unique social mmo with new ways to communicate/ play etc. definitely don't see that

[odd orchid]

Some of the S6 employees are being laid off?! That hurts my heart to read this. When in Alpha I suggested that they should charge something for their game. Even if a nominal fee at the onset. I’m a nurse, not a biz person, but it strikes me as wrong that they are giving away so much hard work & dedication for free. I always felt that selling the clothes was not going to be enough. What players should be paying for are expansions that unlock features & experiences. This would be a greater incentivizer than pretty clothes. And when players have paid into the game for expansions they feel more invested in the game. So, I agree with you, Devius, S6 needs to revisit what they monetize, revisit their financial model ASAP. I say this with love of this game. It would be tragic to see this beautiful game fail. 😞

[polar elbow]

Yeah. Between the whole "MMO but no real MMO features" and the constant lack of communication about the game's beta status where it actually matters (read: the storefronts, main page of the official site) palia is a game that is.... not what it advertises itself to be, and you're absolutely right that stardew has more co-op functionality than palia does at this point in time lol
I really want to see palia succeed but I can't help but feel that it probablyneeds a change of direction/management to accomplish that :/
'change of direction' being to manage priorities better, more transparency, and more importantly, more honesty, and a more sustainable form of monetization (the current model is wayyyy too expensive)

[shell mango]

The game has thousands of people playing it even in this state... imagine they actually had a good game to put out in August that was an MMO and there were more bigger more meaningful updates... this game would have become a hit

[shell mango]

It's gonna be years in the future and not only will Stardew be a better game still, it will have way more content than Palia that's updated consistently

[lucid hornet]

to this day i simply cannot understand why they didn't seperate the outfits way more, mix and match the stuff u like, buy just shoes from bundle 1 only gloves from bundle2...

yeah one purchase will be a lower amount of $, but its basically a given that overall players will buy more.

[sterile ridge]

Cosmetics is an interesting way to monetise but the way it is now, it's too expensive especially considering in some case you are paying the price of 2 outfits which would typically cost the price of a finished game

[lucid hornet]

the updates aren't really the big problem. It's liveservice, i am not expecting a big update every other week.
The problem is that the game is still (and was even more) quite basic and simply needs more content.

I said months ago they need to add way more items to decorate, more furniture sets, hell even add some to the shop, who cares.

[shell mango]

I honestly think they'd also make a lot of money if they sold different pets but the only pets you can get rn is just 1 cat that looks like a fox but with different colors and that you can get only if you purchase outfits lmao

[shell mango]

The issue is that this is supposed to be a beta game that's been in development for 5 years and there's like nothing in the game. With the updates whatever they add you can finish/get the content in like 2 hours or less

[lucid hornet]

You cant expect them to develop huge features in a short amount of time, but adding some more assets shouldn't be a problem.

at least give the players something.

[polar elbow]

At the prices they set the outfits to be, it is... really hard to justify buying more than one or two, if even that
the palcats probably helped encourage a lot of purchases but... I'm going to say it, outfits in their current implementation are just not good.
As you said, people should be able to buy just the piece they want instead of having to buy the entire set, split the gloves and shoes into their own categories, and for the love of the dragon we need to actually be able to choose what colors we want on those items, instead of paying $20+ for an outfit that only gets 3 predetermined color options
the inability to actually match different pieces together is a huge deal breaker for me, I like outfits with red in them but I despise red being paired with orange or purple, which happens with the vast majority of red-colored clothing items

[shell mango]

The personification of the updates of this game is that person that sat in a table drinking water with a fork for 7 hours

There's so little to get from them, esp no MMO features

[flat topaz]

You know something I would really love is if my horn did not get used multiple times because it is the same key as switching arrows. I wish once a horn is used it would block a second one from being used until that one has run out of juice. I just wasted 3 horns thinking I was switching arrow types

[shell mango]

I only bought 1 outfit because this game's outfits are so god damn ugly Jesus. They could get some serious whales if the outfits weren't so ugly

[sterile ridge]

What I found confusing after hearing about S6 layoffs is that on the main page of the company they are still hiring and there are 7 open positions (at least 7 categories). I don't know very much about running a company so that seemed a bit confusing to me

[lucid hornet]

10$ season pass would fit the game perfectly.
if you dont want FOMO, just let everyone select which season pass they want to buy.

[flat topaz]

Having said the above request, I'm also obsessed with the game so thank you so much for the time spent on this game.

[lucid hornet]

but the twitch drops introduced FOMO anyways LOL

[sterile ridge]

a season pass would work in a way that with some outfits that are less popular could be gained by completing quests that the pass could introduce

[shell mango]

Every game company ever

[sterile ridge]

what annoys me with companies at time is that by doing so they lose on quality and therefore lose on money in the long run. from what i'm seeing instant short term gain is more important than long term

[coral plaza]

Hey I'm not sure if this is the place to ask or not but these plushie drops from the Sernuk, someone was saying that there's only 2000 in the game and a stream has already gotten like 9? Is that true that they put in a limited number?

[shell mango]

Were made to make money and yet they make the game so unappealing and the outfits so ugly... it's like they don't want us to give them money

[polar elbow]

hey! As far as I know, there is no limit to how many sernuk plushies can drop, but the chances of one dropping is 0.1%, or 1 in 1000 chance

[shell mango]

Idk why they'd lie like that ngl

[polar elbow]

so they're not limited. Just really really rare.

[shell mango]

The plushies were never limited and idk why someone would make that up

[coral plaza]

Thanks so!

[lucid hornet]

well, the most common assumuption is quite simple.
they had like 50M$ from investors, they want to see that money back.

[runic eagle]

Correct. Just rare drops. No limit on how many you can obtain.

[coral plaza]

*sorry thanks so much

[tardy token]

Everyone knows mmos etc (similar games) aren't profitable at the beginning. That's just what it's like

[lucid hornet]

Sure, but you're not really thinking that investors care about that?
Even if the investors didn't pressure a release, these 50M$ are gone after 4-5 years of development

[tardy token]

I mean more in the context of that S6 could've anticipated this.

Some earlier sad that they aren't listening to their community and this is just another representation of it.
Even before the game came out people were talking about customization options.
The character creation is laughable.
Or it would be if it wasn't so sad

[lucid hornet]

Only took them half a year to add more character options.

PS: Awesome, warned for checking what happened to him / why the messages were removed.
Seems like discussions aren't welcome here anymore.

[tardy token]

If we can't discuss the game in the channel called palia-discussions then it's actually over

[hollow crescent]

not sure why either of their saying all, maybe some assume, but only thing “limited” with it would be the order sernuk plushie dropping but thats also available from zekis originally

[coarse abyss]

Without saying much, there was a line crossed

Please carry on

[shell mango]

And the characters also look like they don't belong in the game they don't match with the same style and detail villagers have so we look very out of place

[polar elbow]

even if s6 wanted to keep the super expensive price tag on the cosmetics they could have made them 10x more appealing by simply allowing you to choose main/secondary colors (you know, like hairstyles) instead of forcing people into preset color palettes and limiting the preset options to only 3 per premium outfit

[tardy token]

Oh 100%.
Most of the cosmetics have no reason to be in the game.
Not even trying to be part of a coherent artstyle

[ornate cairn]

[tardy token]

I guess I'm just kinda sad that the game went on this direction. It looked really promising to me, but the options for players to customize their avatar are lacking severely (I don't need the Sims but by god give me something to work with here, 2 frames for glasses. I don't care that I can dye my hair 2 colors give more other things like more bodytypes and face options)
And neither are the items in the cash shop priced in any way shape or form appropriately nor do they fit in the game.
It's a game about creating an avatar for yourself and living out a cozy lifestyle. Locking a big part of that fantasy behind a 30 bucks price tag each is just strange.
Are we even sure that the game is actually like
Multiplayer? I mean, yea I can see other players running around and doing stuff, but sharing an over world isn't going to be enough imo.
Yes I am somewhat bitter about this but only because I wanted to like the game. Can't even recommend it to my friends because I know they'll find it boring and loose interest thanks to the snails pace of a gameplay loop.

[long grove]

They need an optional subscription with some kind of exclusive perks for subscribers IMO. Recurring revenue is king. I'm not 100% sure what to put in it, maybe 3 extra gardening plots, an exclusive bobber/glider deco you can equip while sub is active, special chat channel for subscribers only, weekly bonus materials in addition to the normal login rewards (flow wood deliveries?!) nothing too crazy overpowered but nice to have.

[polar elbow]

They've stated before that they don't plan to monetize any core gameplay or give paying players any extra advantages
quote:
We will not monetize any core gameplay in Palia. You won’t be able to pay to level up your skills faster, get that rare achievement more easily, or become best friends with Einar earlier.
that limits their options significantly if they truly want to avoid giving paying players -any- advantage whatsoever

[signal kayak]

the discussion last night was offering to get the cosmetics for free while the subscription was active, still allowing people to buy the clothing if they chose

what they need to do is focus on pet cosmetics, kinda like monster hunter did

[polar elbow]

and yeah, I was the one that floated the idea of optional subscription that grants access to all premium cosmetics while active, while allowing you to still buy them the usual way if you want specific outfits unlocked permanently

[dense fractal]

Wish they weren't so stubborn about this, I would gladly pay for a sub with unlimited storage and a monthly costume of choice

[tardy token]

"hey we said this in our earlier statements, but it has come to our attention that the community is unhappy with certain aspect of the game....."

[fiery perch]

Yeah, personally, I don't even think unlimited storage or something along those lines, would really affect "core gameplay" in the sense that they might mean. I don't think it'd be OP. I don't think it would affect as much as (some) people would think.

I just think about ESO and how they had an optional sub you could do, to seperate gathering materials in their own slot, etc... it didnt change much or affect me via gameplay but oh man, it was nice!

And if they did want to do a battlepass, being able to choose which battlepass to go for (so you dont get the FOMO with it disappearing) would be nice. Deceive Inc has something like this, which I always thought was nice.

[polar elbow]

I've also brought up my opinion that monetizing ALL cosmetics with no way to earn any through gameplay is a horrible decision in the long run, because it means that everyone who likes cosmetics or pets, etc has -nothing- to work towards in the game, and if they have nothing to work towards, why would they play at all (and if they're not playing, they're not paying either)

The game needs more variety in its rewards to entice a wider variety of players to actually, well, play, because right now the game's reward structure feels like it only is really made to appeal to those who love decorating their house

[heady arch]

I want to throw in an idea my partner and i talked about - skill specific outfits, nothing huge but on the same level as the shop cosmetics, that unlock at a higher level. The last reward for upgrading skills is at 50, so maybe at 75?
Imagine a nice chef coat and hat at cooking level 75, an outfit with an ammo pouch for hunting... you get the idea. 🙂

[fiery perch]

Yeah, that too. Even if I didn't struggle with the accessibility front-- I have barely any desire to play because have nothing to really.. work towards in the earnable sense. I know i still have quests/temples to do-- one of which I know I'll genuinely struggle with, so I don't even want to attempt...-- but...

For other stuff? ... well.. I'd like to earn things. I still wish I could of earned my builder's outfit instead of buying it-- so it can really and properly showcase that I love that skill, instead of it by chanec just being "oh they just like that outfit/colour" not... "oh they like building things" lol

[signal kayak]

and they really can't go back on the f2p and pay only for cosmetics because it would look horrible on the dev team, because we couldn't trust their word, like what happened with dreamlight valley saying all the way through beta/early access that it would be free and then changing it when it went to full release

[gusty fossil]

This is why I play Palia though. Because it is different. Because you can't use RL money to gain any sort of advantage to the gameplay like you can in thousands of other games.

[heady arch]

They would reward playing a lot, but at the same time, give fans of cosmetics and transmogs something to play towards.

[granite prism]

I wish there was a way to always have the lights on in the house, I like it bright but when I’m cooking I end up just spamming on and off the lights if I’m not careful

[tardy token]

Going back on their word because the community is unhappy isn't the same as what you're describing tho.
I'd trust them more if the acknowledged the problems their player base is expressing

[tardy token]

In a life sim having fancier clothes is the in game advantage.
At least for some players, fashion is a big part of expressing themselves which is the point of palia and games similar to it.
This may not apply to you, but there are a lot of other players.

[rough vine]

kind of late to this whole discussion but like i really like this game and im kind of scared for the future of it because of all this the original message wasn't very reassuring. also like sorry if im overreacting im super sick lol

[signal kayak]

doesn't matter though, if you promised to do something (in this case saying that paid things will have no effect on gameplay) and failed to follow through (giving people who pay an advantage in gameplay with items or such) it looks bad on you. dreamlight valley pulled that exact thing, saying the game was going to be free to play upon release, people waited for the free version of the game, while those who paid were getting items from the stores that as the last time i watched the game had no intentions of coming back. then the day or week before the game was to go to full release they dropped the fact that it was going to be paid to play. people lost faith in the dev team for not keeping with what they were saying

how can you trust in people's word if they can't even keep promises?

the best that i've seen is the subscription to the cosmetic shop, 5-10 usd a month to have free access to the premium shop and all new clothes that come out as long as the subscription is active. you can still buy clothes if you want to

[tender mantle]

How nice would it be to be able to jump over into the Flooded Fortress from here!

[gusty fossil]

I don't really know what you are trying to say here? You wish there were more free outfits? You feel you gain an advantage over other players by paying for a outfit?

[signal kayak]

i think they meant that a lot of people like to express themselves through the clothes they were (clothing makes the person), so having fancier clothes can make people feel like they are easier to role play the game. i know i've been looking for a certain style but it's not in the game

so, having the mushroom looking outfit can help people get into the mood of being more cottage core or witchy core, etc. the druid can make some feel like they are magical beings that are one with nature, stuff like that

[gusty fossil]

So they want more free outfits? Because they feel like they can't get into the role play without spending RL money?

[quick anvil]

I think you are saying they lied but.. they really didnt. Ingame advantage or gameplay advantage means that you would be better at the gameplay. For example, a lumberjacking outfit that gives you the ability to chop flowtrees on your own, a miner outfit that gives you the abolity to find palium on your hud, etc. A game costs millions to make. People deserve a fair wage. They already had to let go 35% of the people who crafted this game for your enjoyment, and still people are complaining that they want everything for free. If you don't want to pay then maybe do other forms of entertainment that are free. I dunno where you are from, but overhere lending books in the public library is free. Learning to cook is mostly free, seeing as you need to eat anyways. Gardening can also be free if you are learning how to compost and get seeds from your produce, etc.

[candid sorrel]

Good god what have I walked in on

[dense quarry]

usual convo tbh!!

well . . .. one of them 💀

[dire river]

Jel: "if you can wear it, you can be it!"
Me: "a basic brioche!"

[quick anvil]

Yes, the other convo is about entering flooded fortress, but.. from where? How did you even get there?

[candid sorrel]

May I jump in a second...as to WHY they have slightly turned it into fortnight this I'm not happy about

[signal kayak]

from the start the devs said the game will be accessible to everyone, doesn't matter if you are rich or poor. if you want to play palia, you can if you have the ability to download it and play. they have said multiple times that the only things that will be paid for are special cosmetics that have no effect on the game. If you want to pay for those cosmetics, then pay for them, if not, don't. If they go back on the free to play aspect, they will lose people, especially the way the game is now. If they go back and say that you will now have to pay monthly for the game, it will look bad on the devs as they went back on what the main focus of the game (accessible to all). They need to figure out how to make money without losing the free to play access.

[dense quarry]

isn't fortnite a pvp game

[candid sorrel]

I meant clothes wise not games wise btw

[dense quarry]

have they???

[stoic frost]

the hotdog outfit is egregious

[lyric night]

I don't see spiderman, avatar, naruto etc. in the shop yet so don't think they are anything like fortnite skinwise

[signal kayak]

was probably an april's fool thing

[candid sorrel]

Yeah it probably was

[lyric night]

they made a whole promotion video for the outfit for april fools.

[quick anvil]

I would LOVE a monthly subscription. Like Love love loveeeee!!! It would communicate first and foremost that people deserve to be payed for their hard work. And that it isnt fair to try and provide things for free to people that infact, have cost others (like the devs coding, they did that knowing that they may get payed too few cuz of this payment style). And, it would get rid of all the complaining about the game costing or wanting to make money somehow. After all, they stuck to their word 100%, provided special cosmetic outfits that have no gameplay functionality, and still its not good enough for people. I just want my peace and quiet back and if that means locking the game behind a payment system (which to be honest, is normal, ive not regularly seen movie theaters say its free lol!

Maybe it will be for the best, because generally people are more respectful if they pay for things. Its like suddenly only poeple who value things are doing it, after all, they decided its worth to pay for it so they respect what they decided to pay for. And then maybe the community would have more mature people also? The ones who decide to pay for a monthly sub.

[signal kayak]

if the game wants to go to a monthly subscription, then let it. but don't expect people to keep playing

[dire river]

Hm, I'd rather pay once than pay monthly

[candid sorrel]

Tbh we are not paying for anything like Tish furniture reths cooking ECT only jel so why all the talk about money it's only a little bit it's not as if ur paying for everything in the game...really

[dire river]

Not everyone had the income to pay for a monthly subscription of any kind, but they might be able to save up to purchase the game.

[signal kayak]

the fact that the dev's laid off 35% of it's team, and people are worried that money is the problem for the team. the clothing shop may not be enough to cover the costs of the game development.

[quick anvil]

I expect to pay once if the game only had a one-time cost to develop. So 1 team making a game to completion, without updates or servers running. Then, yes. One time cost to build for a one time payment. A multiplayer game with servers running 24/7? Must be both. As in, a one time payment for buying the game, and then a monthly sub contribution to keep the servers running. Apparently servers like theirs can cost thousands each month!

[wraith breach]

There's a lot of great input from a lot of people here, from both sides of the conversation. I'd like to add to it a bit. So, about - let's see - maybe three years ago? I found out about Paralives. It's a game that's been in development since 2019, and it's amazing. Everything I saw back then about how they imagined the game to be was a vast improvement on The Sims 4, which is the same genre of game that Paralives is going to be in. Because it's an Indie game being developed by a small team of people who are learning as they go, it's been in development ever since, and it's been supported by a large group of people on Patreon, including myself. We're all eager to play it, and they weren't saying anything at all about when it would be playable, which caused a HUGE uproar and people claiming that it's fake and whatnot, but that was all just nonsense. Just because something takes some time it doesn't mean it's never going to happen. And I was right when I kept telling people to calm down - it's finally going to be in Early Access next year, and it's incredibly exciting.

I know S6 isn't a small Indie company with a handful of employees, but I think they're also trying different things and seeing what sticks. I agree fully with several people in this chat who have said they need to specialise, and stop being so eager to do 'everything'. That sort of development and experimentation can come down the line, once the game is out of beta, and once they have an established identity. Their problem now is that they aren't combating existing bugs, which keep piling up, and there are lots of other gameplay issues (I know there's been a lot of complaining about Asia Pacific servers, for example, and people being forced into servers based on geography). They need to get their act together, but I don't think they're going to fold. I think that might be an overly pessimistic point of view.

[lyric night]

I don't think it would help them to make it a one time purchase thing especially bcs Palia is a liveservice game(think many people forget about that)
the game NEEDS microtransaction through cosmetics or a monthly sub

[wraith breach]

I'd love to see something like the Elder Scrolls system maybe? We pay for the base game, then pay for expansions and new worlds.

[quick anvil]

I think prices should be based on what something costs to make, and not what the buyers can afford.. Because that would mean they make a loss and that wouldnt be fair. Or it could mean some people have to buy for a higher cost than some other people (simply because they can afford more) but im not about to send in a bankstatement to buy anything haha!

[dense quarry]

i feel that is paying for advantageous gameplay innit

[quick anvil]

Yeah maybe, although i think i would like something like original WoW more, simply because theirs is more polished and better feel to it? Minus the cashshop 🙂 But they could give everyone who purchased a certain amount of coins already the basegame for free, and then a very low cost sub, like, 5€/month or something.

I just really wanna push for the expansions lol!

[wraith breach]

S6 needs to figure out a way to keep Palia going in a way that benefits them as well. I am not sure that selling cosmetics for cash is going to keep the game going in the way that we want it to. We want to see longevity and development. We want Palia to succeed.

[grave obsidian]

I play a game (nothing like Palia) that is free for everyone but there is a “premium” subscription that gets you little extras but doesn’t give you an advantage in the game. I think it could work.

[dense quarry]

i think it might be smarter if they're less Particular about how they sell cosmetics - if they allowed for purchasing Pieces rather than Whole Outfits, that would help their dev teams too! they could also give everyone the ability to earn a pet, but you can only buy special skins/particular "breeds" in the shop, etc

[gusty fossil]

I don't think anyone here has access to S6's financial situation so how is everyone so sure that they are in need of money.

[quick anvil]

Oh yes thats a great point i hadnt realized lol! Yeah access to certain maps or areas would definitely be advantageous.

[signal kayak]

paid subscription to the cosmetic store, 5-10 usd a month, access to everything in there at a moments notice including new items, so long as the subscription is active and getting pet cosmetics going, will most likely be a good jumping off spot

[quick anvil]

Exactly!! This so much! I really want this to turn into a cozygame WoW, the first of its kind, and right now, i get that theyre trying to keep it all very small with 25p servers and a tiny village.. But... Am i the only one dreaming that down the line, we will be able to see huuuuge cities, and develop a Human city together or something and truly have big lore in the Palia world and everything? I mean.. i am dreaming big.. Grimalkin planets to visit -big!

[dense quarry]

also i've said it before and i will say it again : community created items/cosmetics!!!! then the community votes for their faves and the top winning one gets added to the shop or game or something

[wraith breach]

With all the lore they've been teasing, the constant mentions of other settlements and cities, I'm fully expecting this, to be honest.

[signal kayak]

they are missing out on pet cosmetics, something that matches what people are already wearing for matching outfits

[dense quarry]

think about what ppl do in modding communities - it's primarily outfits, items, weapon skins, etc!! like . . . . if this is a community game, going for that community angle would be so wise

[wraith breach]

Not to mention different kinds of pets. Come on, who doesn't want a plumehound?

[quick anvil]

See, thats what this is. Except the premium subscription is not monthly but whenever you want and it gets you a little extra and no advantage but ppl complain because it gets them something lol. Cuz youre free to simply put in 5€ to paliacoins once a month and then save up for an outfit but yeah.

[dense quarry]

i want a bird pet so bad ;w;

[fiery perch]

i mean, again, i do think a battlepass could work but only if it's the way where, you can always access the bpass whenever. So it doesn't have that "FOMO" vibe like others do. So if you were to pay for one, you can choose which one. And it's still rooted for cosmetics and things similar to that. And you can always go back and pay for it, so you wouldn't have to worry about it "disappearing".

& of course, along with that, earnable cosmetics-- esp those rooted in specific skills, would of been really nice.

Making cosmetics pieces that you can pay for, instead of the entire outfit. I dont wanna drop $25-30 or something on an entire outfit when i only want like... the hat lol for example. Just little things like that would be nice.

I'd like more pets if they would actually show a F2P version, one that may have gameplay mechanics (like picking up loot for example), and the other "pets" are more like skins (similar to glider/outfits).

[quick anvil]

Maybe not in need (anymore - since they layed off 35% of staff) but more money is always better innit..

[wraith breach]

Ouch. When did they lay off staff?

[fiery perch]

a few days ago.

[quick anvil]

Yeah, i mean after the storm of backlash on the pets even existing i think all those ideas went straight into the bin 😂

[wraith breach]

Geez. Yeah, that - hits different.

[signal kayak]

which has brought up the discussion of money

[topaz coral]

Feels to me like S6 overworked their employees to get the Steam launch and update out and then pulled a "I don't need you anymore bye :)" without care for their team.

[lucid hornet]

100%, said basically the same when they released the pets.
It should be a bigger part of the game, level your pet give them some 'skills', sell skins for it and everyone is happy. Would have avoided the backlash about the pets too.

[wraith breach]

Looks to me like they're not the only gaming studio to be hit by layoffs at the moment either. Geez.

[quick anvil]

Yep this. Its basically what every publisher does nowadays. It even made it into the news the other day, because there is so much unemployment for gamedevs as they all just get layed off en masse after a project goes to completion, for maxx profit for the publisher.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, I agree. I was a little naive and just assumed we just got a "sneak peek" in a sense w/ pets that were paid for, and they were actually going to be "skins" in a sense for future F2P ones... until they released that statement about how they dont plan on making any F2P pets for a while. 💀

[lucid hornet]

Which is sad, because they choose a very specific nieche for their game. They could do extremely well since there is no alternative to an 'cozy mmo' as they promised/wanted to created.

[quick anvil]

This is why im sorta sad, to see Palia do the same. I thought this team would be different, i thought they were a culmination of people who fled from profit hungry corporations for exactly this reason.. And that we were in this game for the long haul with this team. They couldve put them on the next expansion, etc. A project of decades. Not just a promising start, and once the profit has come in, closing down adn just "maintaining" whats there.

[jolly idol]

There is one on the horizon that is by a very small team. I'm curious to see how things will go for that group as well

[shell mango]

Genuinely why would you believe them? They never said smth indicating that they were "fleeing" from power hungry corporations

[wraith breach]

Which one are you talking about?

[somber crag]

Hiiii, discussions chat. ❤️ How we doooin'?

[gusty fossil]

Yes of course I want Palia to be profitable but forcing it out of the players isn't the same as them willingly giving it to you.

[quick anvil]

Spill the beans?

[topaz coral]

I backed a Kickstarter for a cozy MMO game that has done way better about keeping its people in the loop, incentives, etc. At the end of the day, imo, Palia isn't going to be able to sustain its userbase because the lack of communication, lack of things to do, lack of incentives, etc. Being open BETA doesn't mean we should get... scraps. The one I backed is in alpha and we're getting more from them than we do from S6 lol the game is Puffpals, btw

[jolly idol]

It's called Loftia! @quick anvil @wraith breach

[vagrant star]

Mostly okay, though chat is a bit too fast to follow everything :-)
I hope you're okay too.

[wraith breach]

I've been keeping an eye on this one!

[quick anvil]

They did, one of the first article interviews that was published about them. Before there was any info about what game they would make, just the new devteam they were putting together. But as with all games, this devteam may have needed to find a publisher, and publishers usually tend to win :/

[jolly idol]

Yeah, love the solar punk idea

[lucid hornet]

We will see, it has to solve the same problems Palia has to solve.
I am fine with who ever gets it done better.

[quick anvil]

its not more forcing it out than if you go to the movie theater and buy tickets to see a movie lol

[wraith breach]

Is this Loftia too?

[somber crag]

I think part of why we get the level of communication we do is because of the background careers of the CEO/founders. They come from places like Riot/Blizzard, and thooose companies aren't notorious for being super transparent, LOL. I think it's bled into their way of thinking now, which is unfortunate... since S6 and what they're creating is entirely different. Or well, it's supposed to be.

All speculation on my part, but it's my THEORY.

[shell mango]

It looks really bad I've seen it a couple of times

Also that game is made by two people

[dire river]

A GAMEproductioncompany Theory!

[quick anvil]

Ah yeah i backed puffpalls too but tbh its nothing at all compared to Palia. It is tooooo small it doesnt have an mmo feel at all and isnt even remotely striving for an mmo feel. More like.. Another farming game mixed with mobile game/console elements

[somber crag]

Me looking at the Puffpals plushies I bought on impulse in the corner of my room... (the dragon and arctic fox ones)

[lyric night]

naah they're a whole team by now not only 2 people

[topaz coral]

At the end of development it might not be the same as Palia but it was definitely better communicated than S6 lol

[shell mango]

I remember seeing a tiktok by them talking about how they were a girlfriend and boyfriend duo making a mmo cozy game

[fiery perch]

Not an MMO i dont think, more animal crossing like, but i'm excited to see how Galatic Getaway progresses.

[civic harness]

Hi @coral plaza. Good morning! I hope you are doing well. First, let me say that I do not represent the streamer in any way, nor do they even know I’m responding. But I thought it was important to dispel any rumors that may come from my comments. Please let me clarify, since I was the person that posed the question; it was just that, a question. Conjecture, if you will. More of a joke than anything. Kind of like us wondering if the Magic Mujin will drop plushies next and a slew of other things we laughed, joked and had questions about during the more than 13 hours that streamer was streaming. I would welcome you to ask questions while in stream, as we are a very welcoming bunch and love to help. With regards to the streamer having 9 plushies, that is all literal grind. Like GRIND. They have put more hours into this game than many of the Palia Partners I have seen, to which she is not. As people have stated, the odds of getting a plushie is 1 in 1000. Equate that to 9 in 9000. They have literally soent days hunting, trying to find plushies. The first time they spent 18 hours before they got their first plushie. They have expended 10’s of thousands of arrows, literally. Yesterday they streamed for over 13 hours and turned that grind into a charity event that brought $2,000 to a very worthy cause. They did get 2 plushies while streaming, however, one was a glitch and shouldn’t have dropped. It came from the order sernuk, which we know, is already glitching out. It was a fluke, but nothing nefarious by any means. The odds are the same for all who play, the only thing that raises the odds is how hard you’re willing to grind. I hope that clarifies any concerns you may have. If you have any question in the future regarding something I have said in stream, please feel free to ask me. I am always willing to help.

[quick anvil]

Yeah, i just dont think games like loftia or puffpalls are at all comparable to games like WoW, FFXIV or Palia. In the end, what people are dreaming of (well, i think, ive heard that and me included ofc) is the next BIG mmo being a cozy mmo. Palia was supposed to be it

[jolly idol]

The vibe I get isn't one of not being transparent, what it feels like is a company that doesn't actually know what it wants/what it's doing, with competing voices and disagreements, saying one thing, doing another, trying to be really community oriented in one way and then kind of not being in other ways. I don't know if it's lack of transparency or not, but it feels like disorganization and panic a lot of the time to me.

I think also when you started out with using the Discord for all your feedback and you were actually reading it, you had this die hard little fanbase that supported everything you did, and then you stop reading the Discord, maybe you don't realize how many players feel ignored and disappointed?

[lucid hornet]

I actually hoped they learn from that and communicate more.
Even if its obvious stuff, having clear stances from the studio is just way better.
In case of Palia they actually even could ask the community which features are more important for them, make some polls what the players want more. They could get a great overview of the direction their playerbase wants this game to go.

[quick anvil]

Yeah this. And i also think a lot of it is that they were forced to be more "professional" now that the game is actually out and the publisher is making demands. When a game is in early development there is no strongwilled publisher yet, that starts to hover to make sure their profits are coming in..

[quick anvil]

I think they probably wanted to do that but again, the desires of the publisher are more important, because a game like this must have cost millions to make. These millions were given to them by a publisher, and so now the publisher can ask whatever and they must obey

[somber crag]

I agree and think it's a mixture of both, unfortunately. I've been around since pre-alpha days, and while the devs/cm team have been present to answer what they can, the company never gave us a road map because of the fear that "they wouldn't be able to meet deadlines, or things would change" and they'd disappoint us - this is something we still get told today, so that method of thinking has been around.

I also think that they are trying a lot of different things, and haven't really landed on solid ground yet for what they want their game to be... so I'm with you there.

[lyric night]

I also feel like people are expecting too much of the MMO part, they always said that Palia is not an MMORPG but an MMO,
but still people expect things like WoW and FFXIV

but at least we should see something in the future that pushes multiplayer a bit for palia

[quick anvil]

Well if anyone mentions mmo i 100% DO expect WoW and FFXIV. And the reason for RPG to be missing is simply because this one is without the typical RPG combat

[scarlet hazel]

can i get a tldr for this? the paragraph is too chunky for me to read through

[jolly idol]

Mm, yeah I think the initial advertising should have emphasized the sim part, and not the mmo part, because MMORPG people expect very different things, but I think most of the sim community has been really pleased with Palia

[coral plaza]

I wasn't participating in that stream and don't even know who was streaming. I just happen to see someone comment in a server general while I was running around. Two people were talking about if it was possible to get plushies in Kilima and someone commented that they didn't think any were left because there were only 2000 out in circulation and that there might not be any left because a streamer had gotten 9. It was a lot of second hand and I figured it wasn't right but wanted to reach out to others who might have seen or read something somewhere I didn't.

[fiery perch]

Well... Yes and no. I say this, because for me. I don't expect a lot of the RPG aspect from like WoW or FF14.

The most i expect out of an MMO is more activities to do with the rest of the community-- whether it's the actual 'community' part, or whether it's with the actual playerbase itself. It also struggles to feel like MMO with only 25 (someone said 30 the other day??) server sizes... which at the same time, i do like! I don't like feeling super clustered around people!, but i see where ppl struggle with that.

idk i just would like more incentives-- or at least the option-- to do more MMO/Community related stuff. Like... omg, i'd love for optional "Dungeons" in a sense-- which the only reward is more/extra materials. Doesn't have to be actual combat-- could just be more focused on puzzles to do as a team, for example.

[lucid hornet]

As far as i know Palia is selfpublished, they have investors which may pressure a release.
That doesn't really excuse the distance from the community.
One of the first things after the open beta release everyone was sad about, was the fact you werent able to plant other tree sizes.

No one wanted some big feature around it, just give me the option to choose between model 1,2,3 and 4. They put it so low on the tasks we got it just now.

Communication is very helpful, especially because you don't always need huge stuff to make a lot of players happy.

[indigo dust]

too many words today in pal general my brain hurts

[somber crag]

Well, it is the discussion channel, lol.

[indigo dust]

i just realized i’m in the wrong channel LOL

[jolly idol]

That would do it haha

[indigo dust]

carry on pookies

[frozen falcon]

a GAAAMEEE theory, thanks for watching

[scarlet hazel]

there are a lot of paragraphs here but i can follow the ones that are spaced out.

[somber crag]

Yeah, it can be easier to sort through paragraphs that aren't in one chunk.
The post from qbd was just clarifying that the sernuk drops are not limited, that's all. ❤️

[lyric night]

would love to see something like that as well for sure, especially something that can be repeated over and over again for the endgame

but I think we should just wait(we can't do anything else atm anyways )

they said that their main focus was and is the sim part of the game but they will work on things for players who enjoy MMOs in the future, maybe we will see a few things with the new map, who knows

[civic harness]

That’s fair. I assumed you were in stream, which was my mistake. Regardless, I just figured it was best to clarify, so there was no question as to it being limited. I wish you the best of luck in the game and with the plushies.

[modest merlin]

Please. Help. How do I stop watering my flowers?
I have hundreds of flowers, and they just keep growing.
I don't even have places to put them all, and I cannot put them in my inventory.

[coral plaza]

Thanks for the clarification I really appreciate it. Sometimes it's hard to know what's actually been said by the devs and what's been just spread through confusion

[lyric night]

sell them if u don't need them

[amber turret]

WATER AND GROW UNTIL IT IS DONE

[gusty fossil]

You can put the seeds in storage

[quick anvil]

Sorry this is a late reply haha i was briefly afk. I play both sim and mmo (longer sim and more into sim than mmo) but honestly i was really really hoping that they copied the "non combat" elements exactly, because i love the mmo feel. How you start and enter the world and have a bunch of people standing around in the starter town, chatting away! That first rush when you enter the big city for the first time. Running around everywhere, exploring, passing by others. All the lore of the world, the gigantic feeling. I never wanted to have to compromise between a tiny single player farming/life sim with a handful of characters, no real gameworld and barely any lore, or all the "big" feelings of an mmo but everything has to do with combat and aggression.

[quick anvil]

Well, i didnt know that! Tbh i think its a good thing they rather wait (for the greater good) and then implement something properly. I absolutely adore how the tree planting works now, with the little watering bars and the progression stages!

[indigo dust]

bomb them

[lyric night]

about the tree part, it always seemed intended, it was a perfect fit, spring > temple of roots > different sized trees, flowers and outdoor decor, it all fits thematically, wouldn’t have done it differently tbh

[clever cove]

That is indeed perfect for the temple update combined with flowers/trees update has been my fave update so far

[quick anvil]

That reminds me how far i am behind on content.. Somehow i rushed the first temple, then the second one was easy too, so i took a break because i didnt wanna really "complete" the game and feel done with it.. So then Gales and Roots came out, i check back in and now its like, im so behiiind still crafting the bellflower set too lol

[clever cove]

Gales put me off temples entirely, I only went back and finished it when they fixed the bugs

[lucid hornet]

never said the way they did it is bad. it was a good update.
Doesn't change the fact that players had to wait since august because there was no way to obtain another tree size after you removed all of the original trees from your plot.
Like I said the problem is the missing communication.

[quick anvil]

Yeah haha the vid i saw omg haha!! This is why i usually dont do new content right away. Its just gonna be messy!

[clever cove]

I was so worried roots would be the same thing, surprised it went smoothly

[quick anvil]

Speaking of Gales, those flow colored eggs that are there, hidden.. are they a ||spoiler|| or are they just decor?

[sick coral]

ITS ENOUGH SLICES

[quick anvil]

Ahh good to know for when im done with Gales hehe

[clever cove]

There's a secret puzzle that uses them in the gales temple

[quick anvil]

Aaah nice to know! Thanks 😄

[modest merlin]

No, game... I'm trying to sit down, not turn off the fireplace.

[fading knoll]

The chapaas are watching

[glass condor]

Is the magic surnuk still bugged for the plush ?

[signal kayak]

yes, still dropping the order version of the plush

[glass condor]

Awww which plush do you mean ? Sorry i am not familiar with the plushies in game

[modest merlin]

Is this going to pick up my house, or my fireplace!?

[lyric night]

they should reaaallyy edit that word at some point, they just need to change one word(oh wait two, but the same word twice, edit: lmao three times )
only the addon u rightclick will be removed

[tranquil nest]

The Proudhorn Sernuk is meant to drop the "Proudhorn" plush, but it is currently dropping "The Order" sernuk plush :3

[prisma summit]

Aye! Lucky day~

[tranquil nest]

It should just be the fireplace, and maybe it has that warning because there might be decor on it? Because I think normally there's usually no warning to remove empty rooms and add-ons.
But yeah, also big agree with Tiny that the wording should be fixed so it's less confusing

[modest merlin]

Nah, this isn't normal. Look what happens when I go to pick up a different fireplace. There's no warning. It just picks up the fireplace, and moves items to my inventory.

Something is up with fireplaces attached to the harvest house.

[lyric night]

thats bcs u have nothing on the fireplace, the fireplace that gives the warning has very likely something on it

[modest merlin]

No, I have nothing on it.

[rustic perch]

Well it treats it as a wall change.

So anything on the wall will get moved

[modest merlin]

Nah wait. You're right @lyric night It does happen when you have something on the fireplace.

[rustic perch]

Btw. Whoever gave me the tip about getting star rainbow butterfly by being first to a grove? Sorry I don’t remember your name atm but Tysm!! I just got mine this way. Master bug collector completed!

[glass condor]

Thanks for explaining! I dont have that one so might just try and get it lol

[rustic perch]

It’s super cute

Use a hunting horn if you can. Open season on sernuks has made finding your loot or tracking your injured deer a task

[glass condor]

Thanks for the tips !

[rustic perch]

Yw! I’m still hunting the elder myself lol

[zinc sigil]

Elder took awhiiiile

[rustic perch]

Think I’m about 400 kills now

Course I’ve lost count of my arrows and my deer get scattered so I can’t say accurately

[solar kiln]

i finally fully upgraded!!!

[rustic perch]

Grats!

[vagrant star]

In case you're asking about something the mods did, contact @daring cosmos . They've been pretty responsive when I contacted them.
I doubt saying that the game doesn't look like it's in beta gets anyone banned here...

[wraith notch]

behavior vs topic
topic is fine

but yes, discussion on that can go to modmail as mentioned by Finn

[indigo dust]

its not really what you say, its how you say it. im a certified hater but i always stay respectful

i got in trouble for calling myself a bootlicker once though HAHA

[coarse abyss]

Please do

[wraith notch]

absolutely

[indigo dust]

can u dm them to me because im nosey and want to be involved hehe - if u want to 😗

[weak wigeon]

How do youi think they could improve hunting for the loot to be better to share?

I mean, now it's like "you hit you loot", but not everyone has the same skill/speed to am and stuff

[cinder temple]

I'd love for them to change loot bags to show up in some way other than having to squint at the bushes looking for it. Right now if you participate in the hunt, you get a bag, but if it's from something that teleports out of sight or dies halfway up a tree, it can be hard to track down your reward.

[weak wigeon]

and they have limited hits too

[weak wigeon]

you get a bag if you hit it, if you try but you don't get to hit, you can't loot, and thats sad 🥲

[weak wigeon]

I was literally thinking about this before. They should show loot bags in the map i think

[cinder temple]

Shooting near the target is supposed to be enough to give you credit, but I'm not sure if that's actually how it's working right now. I'll have to test.

[weak wigeon]

it's not, i've been hunting a lot and it didn't work for me 😦

[keen plover]

the quest of the gardener's new oneness is bug or something, i grew acorn to maturity and it didn't proceed my quest

[weak wigeon]

water a different one and maybe it'll pop

[lyric night]

just relog or pick it up and place it down again

[keen plover]

i will try again thank you ❤️

[weak wigeon]

It doesn't have to be the one you planted, i grew one that i already had in my plot to make it faster and it worked

well i just watered it haha

[indigo dust]

i have been educated

[scenic oriole]

How do you grow flow trees on your plot? I've seen a few people have them but the info I have gotten is that it's something you get after finishing the quest with the gardener. I've already done that though and am still confused.

[weak wigeon]

bundle

[scenic oriole]

I completed the bundle too

@weak wigeon I completed the bundle...

[weak wigeon]

did you get the gardener statue?

||gives you a seed every 24h and theres a chance for it to be flow||

[scenic oriole]

Yes I did.

[scenic oriole]

Ohhhhhhhhh. Okay lol thank you!! I just planted them all so we shall see!

[vagrant star]

As far as I know, ||25% of the tree seeds from there are for flow trees||.

[scenic oriole]

Bet! I'll stop hoarding them and start planting all over the place lol

[dense fractal]

dropping from 2.1m to 69k is def not a victory (sry a bit late to the party xD)

[valid junco]

It's not the kind of game you play forever. For what it accomplished it accomplished a lot. And I think there will be big updates and big player spikes. Me and my friends played it for days, but we did everything there is to do!

[dense fractal]

New to discord I see 🙂 (hi)

[wraith notch]

just want to say i'm pretty sure a lot of assets for palworld come from their other game craftopia 🤔

just my observation

[valid junco]

hii

[dense fractal]

it's a good game, also comparing it is potatoes and garlic

[valid junco]

I rage quit forever ago when my achievements were deleted, and i forgot my password

[wraith notch]

absolutely

[valid junco]

Yes I liked Craftopia it's got some similar stuff in them. I hope palworld being so big and good means craftopia gets some updates

[toxic pier]

You'll know from the seed if it's a flow tree one or not. No need to plant the normal seeds unless you happen to want that tree.

[wraith notch]

i too want updates for craftopia, had a lot of potential but felt abandoned

stayed up 24 hours playing it once

[compact karma]

I loved Palworld the first... 3 days, then quited, im not made for that kind of games sadly

[cinder comet]

Palworld made me more mad at the pokemon company for making sub par games lately lol

[wise trail]

It's me, Hi apparently I am the drama. I'm the streamer who had 9 plushies. I'm happy to see ppl were able to clear the air. I am not trying to stir the pot in this community I am just out here enjoying the game like everyone else. I just wanted to say Hi 👋🏾 thnxs @civic harness for clearing the air

[bright ledge]

but did you make a sernuk tea party

[wraith notch]

imagine getting mad at like a pokemon streamer getting a bunch of shinies or something, it sounds dumb lol

[indigo dust]

people will start anything here lol, ur good girly<3 it takes 2 seconds for someone to look it up and see they're rng

[wise trail]

Lol no there in trophy cases around my plots

[scarlet hazel]

cozy gamers trying not to start drama over the most harmless things:

[tranquil nest]

The only thing that came across my mind with the confusion was that maybe people were referring to the IRL Chapaa plushies, because those are the only limited plushies and there was about 2000+ made

[indigo dust]

proud owner of one

[topaz coral]

THERE WERE CHAPPA PLUSHIE?

[wise trail]

Thanks for saying that because the amount of Jealousy and hate I got I was like whoa! I'm just playing the game not stealing them from anyone, like I help ppl all the time get them.

[heady arch]

Oh my gosh that makes so much sense. Like.. it's the only place i could imagine the rumour coming from.

[scarlet hazel]

this is the first cozy community ive joined and the drama and stuff ive seen in it has made me not to join other cozy communities ever again

[indigo dust]

it was from makeshift when palia was first starting out, around $30 USD, i got it arounddddd dec 2023 when it shipped

[indigo dust]

cozy communities are the most not-cozy typically lol

[tranquil nest]

I have one too, I named mine Mushie

[scarlet hazel]

well i know that now lol. i know reddit isnt cozy at all and expected stuff there.

but wow this discord has been a mess ever since i had joined

[indigo dust]

mine is Fun-guy lol

[scarlet hazel]

its honestl upsetting cause i find wow community extremely cozy but its farthest from cozy typically considering its a rly big mmo

[indigo dust]

it seems whatever palia managment is doing is causing the commmunity to floPPPPPP because it was not anything like this in alpha days

[scarlet hazel]

considering the massive drama that's happened in just two weeks or so, the lay offs, and the fall out of said drama... i am not shocked people have stopped talking in here in massive droves

[indigo dust]

i agree. i just came back from a couple month break because the game got a little boring without updates. im surprised they felt confident enough to release it on other platforms like they did.

dont get me wrong i love this game, but the layout plan seems very messy (i forgot what its called when companys have a plan for their game lol)

[scarlet hazel]

it only now seems like a layout plan but i feel like they just dont have a plan at all. theyre throwing whatever they can to make things stick

[indigo dust]

ROAD MAP!!! thats it

[indigo dust]

yeah.. it seems that they're burning through a lot of potential and rushing things. its left the community confused, and rightfully so

[scarlet hazel]

well all we can do is watch what happens and see if they end up rising from the ashes or just drown at this point

cause there really is no other way rn. theyre bleeding money

[indigo dust]

crossing my fingers i get to keep my cozy house plot ive been perfecting for 6+ months

i dont think they're going to shutdown or anything but it will definitely lead to the community dying if current updates are kept up like this

[scarlet hazel]

ive been wanting to decorate my house n stuff. if it just goes poof like wildstar i hope SOMEONE brings the game back at least... cause i enjoy the game and like playing it but ugh

[indigo dust]

the best games always get dookied on. i was a free realms lover before they shut it down to work on other more profitable games ):

[scarlet hazel]

i dont remember playing free realms much. the private servers of it are less then existent really. cough cough free realms sunrise

[indigo dust]

we all know mayhem is going to keep it locked away forever lolllll

[heady arch]

I wish for quicker updates and more content as well, don't get me wrong, but didn't we just get two content updates in one month? First of March, and 25th of March? They just changed to a quicker schedule, so there's hope it keeps up.

[gritty socket]

Alpha was also a much smaller community. A lot of this is probably just down to 'community gets larger, drama increases'

[scarlet hazel]

were you here for the drama that happened two weeks earlier?

[indigo dust]

true, i feel like there was more transperancy then though

[weary tundra]

I'd disagree, It was very different here even at the start of February (when I first joined) vs now

[indigo dust]

i mean more they should have waited for the steam + epic release until after the updates, because it added a lot of content

[scarlet hazel]

the transparency feels the same as ever tbh. it only feels like its better cause theyre sharing a roadmap in a sense

[indigo dust]

true