🌱│gardening

[supple stone]

Though I should mention you can stack fertilisers so they give their effect for up to 99 days without you having to reapply

[charred marlin]

Not sure if I’m tired and not processing or just completely dumb this morning 🤣 came across something that shows what to do with each produce item and even an updated garden plot layout which I’m working on clearing my garden to incorporate. My question, are we turning plain produce to seeds and selling star produce? Keeping regular for cooking? Am I making this more complicated than it should be?! 🤣

[supple stone]

First off, put enough starred produce in seeders to get the all seeds you need to replant your garden.
After that, focus on using the starred produce in the seeders/preserve jar first. They're worth more, so the added value from processing them in the preserve jar or seeder is also more (compared to non-starred produce)

That pic of how to process things might be old though.
Preserve:
Apples, Blueberries, Spicy Peppers, Pumpkins, Carrots, Onions, Tomatoes, Corn.

Seed:
Bok Choy, Potatoes, Beans, Wheat, Rice

Either or:
Napa Cabbage (the only plant that is not better either way)

Note on Cotton - if you are just looking for profit, seed it. However, it's very middle of the road for profit and you might as well make it into fabric and save the fabric for when you need it for quests/furniture

[floral talon]

Nope we make sure we only geg starry produce

[supple stone]

Also, that layout doesn't have all harvest boost, ouch

[supple stone]

Also this list is just what is optimal if you are able to process everything. If you don't have a lot of crafter slots you might not be able to
If this is the case, you can preserve bok choy/potatoes/beans to save time. If it means you're able to process more stuff, probably means more profit.

[sick plover]

Where do I get pumpkin seeds ? Is it a quest or can I buy them??

[royal trail]

This is amazing! Im actually gonna use this one for myself if you dont mind
What can i replace the blueberries with? I'm almost at lvl 8

[royal trail]

IIRC Badruu's shed store has some pumpkin, you can seed them for more. Additionally, IIRC you also get some seeds in quests and Tamala's Essence store in EW

[supple stone]

You are more than welcome to use it, don't mind at all.
There's no direct substitution for the blueberries, though you could always just replace them with rice/ wheat in a chequered pattern if you want to retain harvest boost (some of them will need manual watering/weeding though, but if it's only temporary this might not be too bad... Plus could be solved with some of Zeki's fertilisers)

[supple stone]

Meant to buy Pumpkins from Tamala's potion store for 500 essence (so kinda later in the main story progression wise) and seed them

[slow flame]

I’m not too new. I’ve been playing since the release on switch. I just don’t know much about gardening and other things. 🤣

[neat vortex]

(Her shop sells the seeds, not the pumpkins per se)

[neat vortex]

I keep meaning to go verify this, because it's reported as new this patch

[neat vortex]

Bean seeds are a one-to-one swap for blueberries and actually worth more than the other three 2x2 crops as far as solo processing goes

OH oops

Sorry, I thought you were referring to a different layout; obviously putting in beans for the blueberries wouldn't work

(buff-wise, anyway)

I'd probably advise maybe one pumpkin if you can get your hands on the seeds (for accomplishment/quest reasons), and perhaps spicy peppers otherwise.

But the benefit from the Quality Boost/QualityUp buff drops off pretty quickly once you hit level 8-10 or so, compared to the benefit from harvest boost

[supple stone]

Woops! Thanks for catching that!

[supple stone]

Wait, I must have missed that in the patch notes... Much easier way to get pumpkins if true

[royal trail]

I just checked, he does sell pumpkins in his crop store, in his side shed!

[supple stone]

If I was at my PC, could probably fashion a solution that's better at keeping buff coverage than this, but not sure when that will be

[supple stone]

That's very interesting, ty for checking that Allura
How expensive are they?

[clear kindle]

yep, beans and pumpkins at badruu's for 110 and 350 gold respectively

[supple stone]

350g vs 500 essence for the seeds...Well, we know Tamala rips us off already so not a huge surprise

[clear kindle]

i'm going to guess that they put the pumpkins in their because they know that experienced players don't need the quality up buff

[supple stone]

Yeah, it being gated so far ahead was a bit silly.
But kinda feels like a silly thing to still have the seeds in Tamala's shop now (to me)

Some funny looking water right there

[terse jacinth]

yeah

deleted cuz i realised its not really gardening

[supple stone]

I mean, isn't the well bought with gardening medals? And it allows you to draw water to water your garden?

[terse jacinth]

it doesn't

oh it does?

i always thought its just decor

[supple stone]

You are now 'watering' your crops with grass, gg

I haven't got it yet though. Wonder how many medals off I am

[floral talon]

now the well is the only medal decor that has a function

[sick plover]

How many pumpkins to craft seeds???

[olive pumice]

I think just 1

For 2 seeds?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong 😄

[supple stone]

I think it's 1 pumpkin gives 4 seeds actually

[olive pumice]

Oooh, even better. Thx for the correction

[clear kindle]

yep, 1 pumpkin gives 4 seeds

[sick plover]

Good ty

[weak flicker]

that looks good ngl. but how do i work on that? a lot of different stuff, so they grow at different times. how often would i need to take a look for the garden per rl day to collect or replant? also it's watered and weed blocked which means if something takes 3 ig days, i can just start the game after 3 hours irl have passed?

[supple stone]

Your garden doesn't grow based on real life time as such. Every 6am ingame time (for most timezones quarter past each hour). If you were online in the previous irl hour, you get a growth tick for all watered and unweeded plants in the garden (that aren't ready to harvest already). The quickest growth crops (Bok Choy, Carrots) only need 3 growth ticks before being harvestable.

So how often you need to check your garden depends entirely on how much you play (though someone who plays 5 mins every hour and someone who plays 24/7 will get the game amount of growth)

As for the layout in question, to minmax the profit you get from it, you'd want to check it most days to see if something is ready for harvesting. However, as it's not going to get stalled by weeds and unwatered crops, you can just play as much as you want, and come back to harvest the garden when you want (there may be some wasted growth ticks mind you)

Unless you use a lot of fertiliser, it is rather difficult to get a water/weed proof garden that is all ready to harvest at the same time... Especially if you want different crops for cooking/recipes/whatever

[weak flicker]

thank you very much for the answer, i highly appreciate it. so the best thing is, to check up on the garden as often as possible to replant stuff asap. and then i put a couple of the onions, tomatoes, blueberries and apples in the seed collector to replant and the rest goes to the preservers jars. as for the rest of the crops they fully go into seed collector. later i sell seeds and jam/preserved stuff. did i get it correctly?

[supple stone]

Yup, you got it 👍

[weak flicker]

very nice. how much preservers, seed collectors and (glow)worm farm would you advice?

[supple stone]

Also, those spots that do need fertiliser, you can just spam fertiliser on them up to a stack of 99. This way you don't need to worry about fertilising every day. You may not want to do a stack of 99, as that lasts a long time haha, and you may want to change the layout before then if you want to grow other things /want a change /whatever

[supple stone]

Entirely depends on how many crafter slots you want to dedicate to gardening (like I keep one of each of smelter/loom/whatever the log cutter is called as I think they're nice decoration for a work shed, but this means less crafters for processing garden produce)

Oh, and also depends on how many growth ticks you get per day - more you get, more of a stockpile of produce you get, so more crafters are needed to keep on top of it all

[weak flicker]

mh... at, i've got 7 glow worm farm and 16 seed collectors. so i've got plenty of slots actually. does it help?
1 growth tick = 1 hour ingame?

[supple stone]

I do actually need to rework the ratio of crafters needed since the bean seeder change tbh, give me a bit

[weak flicker]

sure, take your time as much as you want and need. not going to be pushy :D

[supple stone]

So, growth ticks happen at 6am ingame (for most timezones quarter past each hour). If you were ingame during the previous hour for ANY length of time, then you get that growth tick. Even if you are no longer online

[weak flicker]

i see. i might be able to get 3-4-5 growth ticks per day most of the time. since it's actually only loging in or just collecting/replanting, doesn't take much of a time

[supple stone]

Then you probably don't need too many crafters for 3-4 ticks per day
Roughly 3 Preserve Jars for every 5 Seeders by my reckoning.
So 3 Preservers/5 Seeders or 6/10 or 9/15 (I would say just put down 6/10 and see if you're struggling processing anything in particular, then change it up from there).

As for (glow) worm farms, you can honestly use them to top up any crafter slots you aren't using for produce processing to get extra profit.
Technically beans are worth a bit more if you preserve then worm (not glow worm) them, but you'd be better off seeding and using the worm farm to process random foragables (due to the extra time cost and how little extra gold you end up getting)
If you just want a glow/worm farm to make the harvest boost fertiliser the farm needs, then all you need is one - and you can put the pickled onions you make in them quite happily

If you want the glow worms for fishing, imo just use grilled fish

As you'd be selling a bunch of fish anyway, just grill them and toss them in the worm farm. The power of recycling!

(You'd end up with more glow worms and harvest boost fertiliser than you need, so a lot can be sold)

[weak flicker]

thanks!! i see, so 3-4 ticks per day are actually not that much :D i will start with 3 preservers and 5 seeders. as for the glow worm farm, i will use a couple of them and turn them into glow worm or something. recycling fishes also sounds good tho. need to see what i could do. but for now, i need to focus on the gardening to get the hang of it. you were very helpful, thanks <3

[supple stone]

No worries, happy to help.

And you can always ask if you have further questions

[weak flicker]

is this one of the best layouts available atm?

[supple stone]

For pure profit? No. For convenience, if you want an apple tree in the mix, it's pretty good

I got fed up of having to water and weed every growth tick with some more profitable layouts, hence why I made this.
But having all the buffs comes at a cost of profit

[weak flicker]

i see. what would be profit-wise the best layout? would like to take look at that too. there were so many links but i couldn't find them in the chat

[supple stone]

This is Ren's list of most profitable layouts

Aquajj' super duper one or just a full field of Bok Choy with harvest boost fertiliser on everything are the top profit layouts

Both need watering/weeding every growth tick though (unless you use stacks of hydro pro fert on Aquajj's)

But spamming that much fertiliser on the ground gets old quick imo. Hence why I wanted my layout to have as little fert as possible

For reference, these labour intensive layouts can give an extra 50% profit on top of middling ones like mine (mine was made before the Bean nerf, at which point it did rather well for itself, but now it's just a convenience layout with apples included)

But if you can't be bothered to water/weed just once during the growth ticks you are on for, it essentially wipes out a lot of the additional profit you were making

[weak flicker]

thank you very much <3 gotta analyze all of them

[weak flicker]

@supple stone i did some research and i think.. i am going 9x9 bok choy layout. it does not have water retain and weed block but i just have to log in 3 times a day, 4 times at max and collect everything and seed it brain afk. and watering + weed blocking just takes minutes. having 12 seed collectors helps me to seed all harvested bok choy within 24 hours. which makes 19k every day. of course it is not even close compared to other layouts with 30k+ gold but it will do i think. once i play actively, i might change the layout then. 🤔

[pale reef]

Do you sell the seeds or…?

[weak flicker]

yeah i was thinking about selling them :O

[pale reef]

I was just wondering what stage of the plant gets the most profit

Because I am broke

[weak flicker]

i think it's always seeds for bok choy

[supple stone]

You say not close to other layouts but full bok choy is the highest profit possible. You need to make sure to harvest boost fertiliser it all though

[sick plover]

lol the cooked stage (sincerely a fellow broke person)

[supple stone]

You can only harvest crops and sell them when they are ready to harvest hehe

[weak flicker]

oh, i didn't feel like it's the best since the planner of other layouts shows 30k+ in total but full bok choy only 19k 🥲 so is 19k per rl day actually big? it still seems low. what other money making methods except gardening are good actually?

[supple stone]

Look at average per growth tick or set everything to 180 day cycles in the planner if you want to properly compare profit of layouts

The biggest way to make more money per irl day is just to log in more and get all the growth ticks. So if you have 5 mins, log in just before 6am ingame so you can be in for 2 days

But hunting, bug catching with lures, fishing all make good money

[weak flicker]

i will, thanks for the advice. btw i produce enough fertilizers while doing the bok choy thing, so i'm good. already did the math :D just need to find something better than mountain morel. but that seems the easiest to me. just buying them in the shop and putting into the glow worm farm. i can sell the glow worms to get some money back and use the fertilizers.

how can i get to the other channels?

[supple stone]

Up top of channel list should be a channels and roles thing, check that

[weak flicker]

okeydokey, thanks a lot

[raw crypt]

19k per RL day for a full bok choy layout does not seem correct, unless you RL day metric is like 3 hours.

[supple stone]

Kinda sounded like that's exactly the metric he was using to me. But even by this metric, nothing will touch full bok choy...
Wonder how long the full bok choy setup will last tbh

[weak flicker]

yeah it's only harvesting once. but even if i harvest twice a day, i won't be able to sell them within 24 hours. 20 bok choys are max per seed collector to get them into seeds in 24 hours and i already have 16 seed collectors. is my math wrong? 🤔

[raw crypt]

I don't understand what you're describing. Would you be able to share a printout of what you set-up on the garden planner? Something like this.

There's an export button on the bottom of the planner that you can use to share an image.

[weak flicker]

i didn't really use a planner but i can tell you how i did the math. so i only harvest once a day. 3 bok choy per slot so 81 x 3 = 243 bok choys. i place 240 of them into 12 seed collectors. it's 20 per seed collector. since 1 bok choy takes 1h 10min, it's 24 hours if put 20. so i get 960 seeds in 24h. -81 to plant again. selling the rest 879 seeds gives me 19338 gold. am i missing something?

[raw crypt]

Oh, I think I understand now. You're saying you only plan to harvest once (meaning 3 growth ticks) per RL day? Then yes, that should be close to it. I mean, that's really 19k gold over 3 hours or a little over 6k gold per growth tick. That's extremely good for something that happens passively while you do other stuff.

If you're going pure bok choy then you need a LOT of seed collectors, even more than 20.

[weak flicker]

yeah exactly, i only plan 3 growth ticks :D

that's what i thought too. but when i use 20+ seed collectors i don't have much slots left for other crafters. is there a way to be able to build more than 30 crafters?

[raw crypt]

No, 30 is max. I mean, you don't need too many other crafters beside your smelter, sawmill, loom, maybe 2 glow worm boxes. Maybe a glass furnace. So the essentials would still take up 4 (smelter, sawmill, loom, *furnace), then you still have room for 6 more crafters. So could do 24 seed collectors and 2 glow worm boxes if you fish.

Also at the point that you have 30 crafter slots, and if you're optimizing for profit, then that's probably what you're planning a lot of your crafter space for.

[weak flicker]

hmm i see.. i felt like i need at least 3-4 glow worm farms. i don't like fishing and i usually buy and use mountain morel for glow worm farms. is there a better option? a lazy one

[supple stone]

Lazy one is preserve some of that Bok Choy and worm it

[raw crypt]

Are you doing the glow worm farms purely for money?

[weak flicker]

no, actually for fertilizers

[supple stone]

Though you would want to worm rather than glow worming it

[weak flicker]

hmm..

[supple stone]

btw, dunno if it's intentional of not @raw crypt but I can't read your name and not think Kaladin =/

[raw crypt]

Oops. I get that a lot.

[supple stone]

Haha, so not just me!

Do you need the minmax layouts, Kae?

[raw crypt]

Nah, found them!

@weak flicker Why not do this instead? Completely solves your fertilizer needs (i.e., no need to fertilize because everything gets harvest boosted), can devote virtually all your free slots to seeders, still a ton of gold and way less effort than fertilizing 81 squares manually.

[supple stone]

Yeah, I did suggest this earlier...

[raw crypt]

Then I second that.

[supple stone]

Or, if you wanted to bother with fertilising the whole layout, you could put a bunch of water retain so you just need to do a run by weeding each growth tick

tbh, if it was me, would probably just leave the rice and wheat grown and just harvest the Bok Choys. Easier to remember the layout like that, and most of the money is coming from the Bok Choys anyway

(but if you're looking for as much gold as possible quickly, don't do that)

Hmm, that's a loss of 1.5k per growth tick, so roughly 4.5k per 3-day cycle

[floral talon]

i third that

[weak flicker]

but that layout only works out, if i get 6-9 growth ticks no?

if i don't harvest twice a day, then it's not worth having 24 seed collectors

[supple stone]

No? Rice and Bok Choy are all ready for harvest day 3. Wheat every 4th day

[weak flicker]

in case i would not touch wheat and rice

[supple stone]

fair enough, you'd probably need about 2/3rds the seeders you had for full bok choy then. You have 55 of them with this layout compared to the full 81

Does mean your profit takes a substantial hit, of course

[weak flicker]

yeah and to fill the 24 seed collectors i would need 6 growth ticks at least. i would make more money but also would need to log in more often. and if i log in 3 times only, it would be less than fully 81 🥹

[spare hearth]

Idk if it’s been asked, but does the well you purchase with coins actually work? Like it’ll hold water? Or is it just decor?

[supple stone]

Yup, can refil your can from it

[raw crypt]

Yeah. If your restriction is that the crops all have to be harvestable by day 3, you have very few options. It’s either bok choy x81, manually fertilize all the squares, and figure out how to get enough fertilizer from the worm farms (which is tough if you want something very low effort for 81 squares), or do something like bok choy and rice.

[spare hearth]

Thank you!

[weak flicker]

true that, i have to choose wisely

[supple stone]

ok, looks like you've thought it through then
Just giving the info so you can work out what is right for you - what makes a layout 'the best' is entirely down to the user's preferences and situation afterall

[weak flicker]

i really appreciate the help of all of you. it helped me to go through a lot of different layouts and choose the best for me. which can change depending on how much time i've got

[supple stone]

All good, hope you enjoy your layout

[cosmic osprey]

Oh wow. Thanks so much. Thankfully the harvest fert isnt an issue i use worm boxes anyways!

[neat vortex]

keep in mind that seeders will stall after processing 16 bok choy (or rice or anything else that's 1:4)

that's the maximum they can process unattended

[cosmic osprey]

I always have like over 1k harvest fertilizer lol

[woeful plaza]

what's a really profitable layout for gardening?

[supple stone]

^ These
Especially Aquajj's bok choy/full field of bok choy with harvest boost fert
But, do you really want max profit? This tends to mean watering and weeding every growth tick, and bok choy needs harvesting and replanting every 3 growth ticks so is quite a lot of effort, especially for a skill which is intended to be passive income for not too much effort

[woeful plaza]

it doesn't have to be max profit but a decent income from my garden would be nice to have. I'm not looking to get stupid rich from it or anything.

[supple stone]

So, there's high effort setups like full bok choy (I don't recmmend this) andaquajj's bok choy layout. full bok choy generates a lot of income but needs a lot of fertiliser and manual watering/weeding. Aquajj's doesn't need fert unless you want to add water retaining or weed block. Adding so much fertiliser is imo a huge pain though

Then you have a layout like three lines which is more effort friendly due to not needing watering/weeding but still has a good amount of bok choy (actually, I made one which was similar but fit in a bit more, will link in a sec). Bullseye cash crops layout is also similar to this

And after that you have more convenient layouts that use a lot of crops that regrow. These tend to need replanting much less frequently which is very accessible but have less profit. Bunch of these can be found if you search 'afk' or 'lazy' in this channel

My layout similar to 3 lines. Bt harder to remember the layout, but more bok choy fits in. Still some fertiliser needed though.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HBkR.YTOWRBkP-BkP.HBkOTOBkRBk-R.YBkP.HWOTPBkR-WBkTPORTBkW-BkWBkOPOBkTBk-TBkWROPWBkT-RBkPWOTP.YBkR.H-BkRBkOWOBkP.YBk-PBkRTOWR.HBkP.Y_D180GtL25Cr0.BkS-RS-TP-WS-PS-OP

@woeful plaza Hope this helps (all the layouts I mentioned are linked in that post I forwarded about minmax layouts other than afk/lazy ones which you would have o search for)
A popular low effort one is diamond apples or afk apples, sylvablade certainly likes using them and I think has shared them a bunch. Just search for those terms if you are interested

[cosmic osprey]

@neat vortex does this layout still work fine cause its the one i ended up picking before bed lol

[clear kindle]

i would think that it still works, it just doesn't give as much gold anymore since the beans were nerfed

[cosmic osprey]

Dont really care about the nerf cause i didnt use or know about it pre nerf, but i do want canned beans and essentially to turn it all into preserves

[clear kindle]

then yeah, it should work for what you want/need

[cosmic osprey]

Thanks

[mystic skiff]

Any suggestions? Think I'm gonna go and try for an every crop garden setup to stock up for cooking parties and finishing the recipe achievement, next patch is gonna be a while away with .193 just dropping and all the new quests, not in a rush to make a ton of money.

[sick plover]

How do u get the datura flower? it’s purple and looks like it glows ( i forgot how i first got it)

[neat vortex]

Drops from lunar fairy moth iirc

[neat vortex]

Tarina, Ilyeana Hearthstone, Astrea Moreno, and DS have all posted everything gardens; mine only accommodates 2 bushes and would need swapping

[sacred ferry]

I just noticed they changed the amounts for seeds. Idk if its worth it now. Sighh

[neat vortex]

Beans are around the same gold per tile per tick as apples/carrots/onions now. They're middling for gold, basically.

the seeds do process faster, too

[sacred ferry]

I was doing the tomato to seeds buts its 3 tomatoes to 2 seeds

[neat vortex]

OH oh, wow, yeah, that change was... a long time ago.

No, definitely jar your tomatoes now

[sacred ferry]

Ah, i see that now. I really need to read the patch notes

[neat vortex]

Hilariously, the bean nerf WASN'T in the patch notes (but the tomato change was)

[sacred ferry]

Ahhh I might cry. I have been doing tomato seeds ever since I started

[neat vortex]

oh noooo.... you must have found an old post early on?

or a then-current post? idk how long you've been playing

[sacred ferry]

The switch says 165 hours. I came after the elderwood patch I think. I just did almost everything then went to the area

[cosmic osprey]

Hey yall, is there a way to do a few broken up plots? like i wonder if i could get all the crops neatly on like a 2 x 2 plot and then have 3 by 2 with 1 extra for apples

Reason i ask is i saw the Upside down U shaped garden Ren pointed out to me and im like "Oh"

I want all the crops but im not too sure how id even begin to start that

Id want one that doesnt use fertilizer at all so i can have it base

[sacred ferry]

I dont think so. You can put them together like a big square but if a plant like an apple tree is on two of them then you cant break it apart without cutting the tree

[neat vortex]

Yes, but do keep in mind that the more edges and corners you have, the more opportunities for buffs you give up. A crop on a corner can only get a maximum of two buffs from neighbors; one on an edge can only get a maximum of 3; and ones in the middle can have a maximum of 4.

Edges are less of a problem since most layouts you only want three buffs anyway (weed, water, harvest boost), but corners can be an issue.

I do have an "everything garden" for a linear layout, similar to that U-shaped one you saw, but it can't grow all 4 bush types at once, just two at a time. Though, I might see if I can adapt it...

Can you give me, like, a diagram for how you'd want to split up the plots?

[cosmic osprey]

So the Literal best you can make farm wise is the 3x3 plot with 9 squares? that would be the best for edges and corners even right?

[neat vortex]

Yep, that one is geometrically superior, in theory, for most things. When you start trying to cram in a bunch of 2x2 plants and to heck with the buffs, then things change a bit

I personally use linear layouts because I get lost in the Garden Cube

having something be a maximum of 3 tiles wide is much easier on my brain lol

[sacred ferry]

How do I know if my garden is a good layout? I used the planner but that was before the update

[cosmic osprey]

I see so theres acsessibility type reasons as well i didnt realize that, thought everybody just dealt lol

[neat vortex]

The planner is up to date

And aesthetic ones :)

[sacred ferry]

So im guessing I cant go wrong with it?

[neat vortex]

Erm... I mean, the planner is only a simulator

It's a very GOOD simulator, but it will only simulate what you tell it to XD

I think I might be misunderstanding your question, Bunn

A good layout is one that does what you want it to do in a way that is sustainable for you

[neat vortex]

OH

Oh, no, unfortunately the Paliapedia one is, uh, not correct, for one, and kind of (sorry Adain) crappy, for another

[cosmic osprey]

Oh yeah thats always happening to me i never can use the sim because its always like 100 of everything but what i sensibly want

[neat vortex]

I was talking about https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[sacred ferry]

Yeah. I moved it over to that one after it generated

[neat vortex]

The Paliapedia one is trying to automatically generate layouts, but it's got a long way to go before it turns out anything better than the community has put together. It could maybe be useful in the future, to get new ideas, but for right now it's good at mostly turning out middle-road terrible nonsense, in my experience

and right now it's (afaik) got the wrong data for pumpkins, and most likely doesn't have the new info for beans, either, because the database hasn't been updated for the patch

Adain (Paliapedia dev) is working on a full rewrite of the site

[cosmic osprey]

How do i factor in what seeds to buy for this layout

[sacred ferry]

I thought I really messed up with the OH lol

[neat vortex]

No, no, haha, it was just a miscommunication about what we were talking about

The paliapedia one is the garden GENERATOR not planner

[neat vortex]

Surely you already have access to the seed collector?

[cosmic osprey]

I do i just dont want to wait 45 minutes to replant 1 napa cabbage

[neat vortex]

Best practice is to make them in advance :)

[cosmic osprey]

I wasnt sure if since it had a harvest by day chart it would have a replant seed chart

[sacred ferry]

So what do i use to create a new layout?

[neat vortex]

what I usually do is whenever I harvest, I pull aside the crops to make the seeds for replanting first

[neat vortex]

If you look up at the top of the thing, if you scroll across it will list how many of each plant there are. that's how many of each seed you would need to replant each crop type

[cosmic osprey]

I mean the layout has the dedicated seed collectors and preserve jars set i just dont know if thats 1 produce per collector

[neat vortex]

Ohh that's only for profit, not for replanting

though obviously if you're making seeds for profit you'd just take from those to replant (set them aside before you sell the rest)

[cosmic osprey]

Oh so i should just replant as things are ready then

[neat vortex]

Yes

[cosmic osprey]

I see thanks

And i should always use star seeds i guess but i just had to buy some regulars and ill get some stuff going

[neat vortex]

For the things you aren't processing into seeds for profit, you'd need to make sure you are producing seeds to replant as you go.

Yepyep

[cosmic osprey]

Yeah i know how it all works i just got a little loose with the rule as of late and wanted to finalize a layout thats money and has sustainable focus

[neat vortex]

Also, note that DS likes to use cabbage in his layouts not because it's good for money, but because it's easier to tell apart from apples

[cosmic osprey]

I read that LOL

[neat vortex]

Tomatoes and potatoes are the water retain cash crops XD

[cosmic osprey]

Probs will end up using tomatoes tbh cause i love their plant 1 time and get multiple harvests

Want to replace the blue berries though with something like pumpkins or more beans but im not sure how to make that layout happen

[neat vortex]

Like how to do it in the planner, or how to do it in general (buff-wise)?

[cosmic osprey]

Well i was playing with the layout and noticed it kinda all breaks if you replace the blueberries with anything

[neat vortex]

Yes, blueberries and beans are the only two 2x2 buff "companions" that give harvest boost

so subbing in anything besides blueberries will require using (a lot) more harvest boost fertilizer

You can make it work, though

[neat vortex]

I haven't forgotten about you, just not doing well with juggling two conversation threads at once!
To create a new layout, use the Garden Planner: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/
But there are a lot of layouts that the community has already made that you can use as inspiration/tweak to your own preferences; if you let me know what you want your garden to do for you, we can help you find a suitable one

[rustic tapir]

I have made this layout to grow 3 apples 1 blueberry 1 beans and 1 pumpkin , all have the 3 buffs water retain weed prevention and harvest boost

[cosmic osprey]

Woops i apologize if i butted in the middle there yall

Please continue, im just autistic and tired lol

[rustic tapir]

Wrong pic hehe

[neat vortex]

I'm guessing you only care about harvesting the trees/bushes?

[rustic tapir]

The most important is the apples ,blueberries , beans and pumpkin

[neat vortex]

Also, could you post the planner link? :) I have a hard time with the darkmode.

Use the Save button

[rustic tapir]

The rest earthier seed or sell the product or preserve

[rustic tapir]

Sure ,One sec let me look for it .

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-NOWNAANAA-PNOAWAAPA-RWNAANAAN-NAANWPNAA-AOAOCOAOB-AAPCbOCbBBtBt-NAANAANPW-ACbBAOPmRPPm-BBtBtPmOPPmPN

If anyone have addition or better layout for the same main products please let me know , apples, BB, beans , pumpkin

[neat vortex]

Do you need 3 apple trees for sure?

[rustic tapir]

Yes i do a lot of cake and apple pie , also 20 reserve jars too

[neat vortex]

(apple pie makes about the same amount of gold as preserving it, btw, and that's if you only cover the apples)

[rustic tapir]

Usually i split the apples , but mainly i cover wheat or SS

Used to glow farm ,but after the nerfs not worth it

[neat vortex]

Glow farms are still pretty good for getting extra gold from your forage and meat, and filling in any idle crafter slots

now that there are 9g forage that you get in spades from hunting, you're still getting 31g per crafter slot hour

[rustic tapir]

I used to put cakes in them

[neat vortex]

which is almost as good as most of the gardening processors, but runs uninterrupted for longer

Oh, lol, yeah cakes in glow worm farms haven't been good for a long time afaik

since before they redid the formulas and made it so they took starred sell value into account, I believe

that was WAY back

[rustic tapir]

I’m thinking about been burgers

It gives a lot of worms ,but not sure what’s the best food for glow worms is

[neat vortex]

I know they're super popular right now, but even with the reduced opportunity cost on the beans, I'm just... not impressed.

Are you trying to make gold from the glow worm farm, or trying to get glow worms in bulk?

[rustic tapir]

Gold for sure , i sell GW all the time as passive

[neat vortex]

In that case, chuck in your cheap forage and meats

[rustic tapir]

And i sell fertilizers too

Hmmmmmm , i see your point

[neat vortex]

9g staircase mushroom -> 40g (1 glow worm, 3 HB fert)

11g morel -> 40g
16g sernuk/muujin/ogopuu meat -> 45g (1 glow worm, 4 HB fert)

So anything worth 9, 11, or 16g will bring in 29-31g per hour. Good to dispose of your hunting and foraging extras

[rustic tapir]

I used to do 20 glow farms

Maybe i will remove some preserve jars

[neat vortex]

Depends what you're preserving and if you're able to keep them busy or if they sit idle

Most of the recommended gardening processors get 30+ gold per crafter slot hour, tops out at 39 I think

[rustic tapir]

Apples so far , and 3 potato for focus food , 1 kimchi

[neat vortex]

I recommend canned beans for focus food if you're not cooking for focus

and sell your potatoes as seeds instead

[rustic tapir]

Good to know

Potato is just fail safe food , if I don’t have cooked food , but i will switch to beans later when i have good produce

[neat vortex]

Group cooking is almost always better for cost-effective focus, though, unless you're doing something silly like eating epic sushi or something

[rustic tapir]

Best thing to get money from is cooking for sure

[neat vortex]

Absolutely

Well, while I try to crack my head open on that 3-bush-3-apple layout, here's Tarina's 2-apple, 4-bush everything garden: #💬│elderwood message

(the third one linked in that post)

If you don't need "every" crop, obviously you can adjust it to focus either on the crops you need for cooking parties and/or cash crops

[rustic tapir]

What are the 3 bushes you are using ?

[neat vortex]

If you don't need the peppers, I'd slap another bean in there

[rustic tapir]

I did one for 1 bb 2 beans

[neat vortex]

I was using the original 3 you specified in the layout you shared

[rustic tapir]

The issue the layout change depending on the bush type

[neat vortex]

Sort of; mostly you just need more fertilizer if you use more qualityup bushes (pumpkin and peppers)

but it does depend on the layout

[rustic tapir]

Quality up ?

Is it the Starr one ?

[neat vortex]

Yes

[rustic tapir]

You don’t need it if you are above certain level

[neat vortex]

I am aware, but I thought you wanted pumpkins in your layout

[rustic tapir]

Aha

[neat vortex]

?_?

[rustic tapir]

I do have pumpkins in mine

I have 3 apples ,1 bb, 1 beans ,1 pumpkin

[neat vortex]

Yes, so that's the parameters I was working with

[rustic tapir]

The important missing buff is speed which is missing

[neat vortex]

Speedygro is no longer available except as bought fertilizer

and it's buggy as heck; the only reason it's still in the game as far as I can tell is that it is required for one quest

[rustic tapir]

If you want to swap pumpkin to beans or BB you need to rearrange little

[rustic tapir]

I lost 200 last night

[neat vortex]

Yeah, my friend did, too

just disappeared off her crops

she was pretty upset

[rustic tapir]

Yesssss

It have been like that for so long

[neat vortex]

It's not a huge deal if your HB fert goes poof; like, it's annoying, but it's easy enough to replace quickly. But medals?

[rustic tapir]

I was thinking since it is so rare now , they might’ve fixed it

[neat vortex]

yikes

No, it's "so rare" because they were trying to take it out of the game 😂 because it was unfixably bugged - or so I am guessing

[rustic tapir]

I miss 4 buffs

[neat vortex]

But it was always kind of broken and iffy to use

[rustic tapir]

True

But i used like 25 fertilizers

All full of cakes hahaha

[neat vortex]

lol

[rustic tapir]

I fert then sell the remaining

[neat vortex]

After the first change back in fall 2023, it wasn't really worth it even before they took out speedygro

if you ask me, anyway

[rustic tapir]

Yeah that was around that time

When hotpot introduced at least

[neat vortex]

That was Feb 2024

well, when it was introduced with the event, not when it was added to the UG

[rustic tapir]

Yes

[rustic tapir]

Wait are telling me it is in UG now ?

[neat vortex]

lol yes

[rustic tapir]

I just returned to the game after a year break

[rustic tapir]

Going to buy it NOW

[supple stone]

Going to buy hotpot?

[neat vortex]

I missed this message until now, but hopefully you figured out the deal with the UG hotpot tables when you went down there

[fossil kindle]

How many tiles one apple tree takes? 4? I don't have the seeds yet, but i'm planning my garden a bit ahead.

[haughty scroll]

its 3x3

if you need help planning your farm let me know :)

[loud skiff]

it's 9, the whole garden plot

[olive oriole]

May I inquire if there is a layout the focuses on just the 2x2 crops, with no watering & no weeding? I've focused so much on Apples that I'm lacking others! XD

[floral talon]

U mean the 2x2s?

[olive oriole]

yeah xD

[floral talon]

Used to have afk beans layout but deleted cuz beans nerf sorry cant send 2x2s rn

[supple stone]

This is one of Duh's layouts @olive oriole
If you're fine with using some harvest boost fertiliser, you can substitute a Beans crop for Pumpkin/Spicy Pepper fairly easily

I personally prefer Tomatoes over Cabbage though, more profitable and it regrows (but, can be easier to mistake for apples, which I believe is why Duh doesn't like them)

If you do sub a beans out, make sure one of the 2 beans next to each blueberry crop stays as a Beans though

Otherwise the blueberry loses harvest boost

[floral talon]

My layouts are cabbage not tomatoe but yes layoutwise its the same

[raw crypt]

Random question, but I know that gardening past 10 gives you 2% extra chance to get starred crops per level. Do the other professions provide similar benefits for their respective trades?

[supple stone]

Sadly not. At least nothing proven if there is. Would be interesting if they did though haha

[raw crypt]

Ok, so gardening is the main one? It's a shame something like fishing doesn't increase your chances of snagging uncommon+ fish for each level, etc.

[supple stone]

Or mining giving a slightly better chance of gems could be cool. Foraging and amber maybe? Hunting couldn't be damage, that would be too powerful... Chance to regain ammo maybe?
Though with fishing, I would imagine it would be a small chance of starred fish when not in fishing nodes. Changing loot table probabilities sounds like a lot of work

[floral talon]

i mean fishing levels at least give indirect buffs same for other skills as uget levels which u can use to get nice rewards but with gardening u can only get the decors basically

[neat vortex]

There is a strong hypothesis that increasing cooking level improves star rate for recipes, but the exact mechanic isn't clear (because it's hard to tease it apart from improved minigame skill)

[floral talon]

yeay cooking parties with lots of lower leveled got me wayy les starred dishes till later in the party after they leveled abit
but it could also be a coincidence+ lwoer leveled not having so many starred ingredients

[supple stone]

Oh yeah, forgot about cooking

[neat vortex]

Just in case you didn't already know: gardening 1-9 also grants the same increase to star rate with each level. (The formula is in the documentation for the garden planner, in case you haven't seen it yet.)

It doesn't wait until level 10 to kick in, thank goodness XD

That would be miserable...

[supple stone]

Cotton would love it, might actually feel wanted

[floral talon]

cotton is usefull form lv 1-24 thought not muhc at 24

[neat vortex]

HAH yeah, and you wouldn't unlock peppers right as you started to no longer need the buff...

[floral talon]

why i farmed me peppers first lmao

[neat vortex]

in my personal opinion, the cotton buff falls behind HB by level 10

as in, any cotton plant you have in a layout would be better as a rice plant by that point

assuming you've transitioned to planting starred seeds, anyway, which, why wouldn't you

[supple stone]

I guess the only thing is if you can't keep up with starred seeds for replanting... But that would be very surprising to me

[neat vortex]

It would be astonishing

Here is the formula the planner uses, which, as far as I can tell, matches the in-game results pretty exactly:
0.25 + (0.25 * useStarSeeds) + (0.02 * level) + (0.5 * hasQualityBoost)

[supple stone]

Probably at that point the person should quit Palia as the game definitely hates them

[neat vortex]

So, assuming you start using starred seeds at every opportunity beginning at level 5...

at level 5, star rate is 0.25 + 0.25 + (0.02 * 5) without Quality Boost, or 50% + 10% - so you're already at 60% star chance, and QU is only giving you a maximum of +40% chance of all starred crops

[supple stone]

50% even at level 0, yeah, you'd have to be cursed to not be able to replant.

[floral talon]

this is hwy itell poeple past lv 20 to just not bother with quality upo layouts anymore its to much hassle ti amke em work with different layotus for those last few levels

[neat vortex]

Well, at level 1 you can't plant starred seeds because you don't have the seed collector, but yeah

[supple stone]

Honestly, this auto'correct'

[neat vortex]

But you are already getting starred crops at level 1, at least some

I like to advise people to hang onto their starred stuff that they get early on, so they have a stockpile to make seeds from once they unlock the seed collector

[supple stone]

Yeah, good point.

[neat vortex]

That way there's no lag time, and they can quit buying seeds ASAP

Also, you unlock the ability to craft QU fert at gardening 2 now

(they basically swapped the seed collector recipe and the QU fert recipe)

[floral talon]

but u get lv 2 way fasterr hten the stuff to actually craftt hat fert

[neat vortex]

...bugs, meat, and whatever the third material is?

sundrop lilies

OOOH Paliapedia has a full list of all the "sweet" category things!

yes, canned pumpkin is sweet

I can't link it, because silly reasons, but the list exists; it's "Item.WormFarm.Sweet" if you wanna Google

lmaooo candied kopaa nuts, fruit smoothie bowl (wtf), PUMPKIN PIE, piksii berries (wbk though) are all savory items....

well, more properly, they're "default worm farm recipe" items

silliness

[supple stone]

Much silliness indeed

[neat vortex]

Hm, well, if you can buy pumpkins, that means you can grow pumpkins starting at level 5

so that's a nice alternate source of QU fert I guess, though beans are probably much easier

(since you can plant those from level 1 if you are willing to go forage in EW)

handy that you don't have to wait for fruit anymore

There aren't even 2 full pages of sweet things, and most of them are completely inaccessible until much later in the game, and/or bought at Maji Market with tickets (and some just aren't in the game at all)

So, canned beans, secret strategy for new players XD

...well, once you unlock the jars.

forgot about that

OH WELL, back to "hie thee to a cake party, newbie"

[supple stone]

What about sweet leaf?

[neat vortex]

Sweet leaf does work, but it yields QU very slowly

[supple stone]

True

[neat vortex]

yeah, 4 QU per hour, yeowch

wait no

Oops, 11 fert per hour (the 4 was worms)

still

Yeah, minimum 6 QU plus half the item's sell value divided by the value of the fertilize (i.e., 2)

[stiff tulip]

how many fertilizer can you stack in the same tile

[supple stone]

99

[icy ivy]

Is there a way to one-click bulk fill a square to the max of however much more fertilizer it can hold, instead of just clicking many times?

[floral talon]

yeay but thats using a 3rd party program only sadly

[icy ivy]

ah ok nevermind! And say I put the max fert on a square, but it takes less time to harvest.. when I harvest that up, the leftover/extra fertilizer is retained for the next crop i plant? or is it lost?

[floral talon]

left over remains on the spot

[icy ivy]

cool! thanks so much

[hollow shuttle]

is this farm good for an afk farm? or is it oudated? i mainly care about not having to tend to it much and making good profit

[floral talon]

nope comepltely outdated nad itr was never afk

[hollow shuttle]

well ign screwed me there, any recommendations?

[floral talon]

well uhm not ten dmuch and good profit are a bit uhm less tending lowers it abit
so u want lazy money or less lazy but ofplot friendly?

[hollow shuttle]

lazy money

[floral talon]

this is hte laziest thing i use u might want a slightly less extreme lazy

[hollow shuttle]

isnt that good enough? or would you recommend something else personally

[clear kindle]

in case you don't want to deal with all that fertilizer

[floral talon]

its abit high on fertiliser XD

[hollow shuttle]

oh i didnt even see that, i rarely use fertilizer since its too much work

[floral talon]

i jsut have 2 glowwormers and dump all my exces meats and foragables in and sometimes grill my exces fish and of into the wormer it goes

[supple stone]

I do find it funny that many of us in this chat enjoy working out the minmax setups, but then can't be bothered with using them ourselves for various reasons 😄

[floral talon]

most of my layouts were made as an request or i have outgrown their use already so only max lazy it is

some i only save in case someone asks for hey i want max low level moneys and im like carefull what u wish for

[hollow shuttle]

i think ill go with this one

that water retention and weed prevention smiling at me hard

[floral talon]

an excellent choice good sir

[celest ruin]

This is my actual layout kinda. I took the original from here and slightly adjusted it. But those are the crops I want to consistently have in my inventory
Any thoughts how I can improve this?

[floral talon]

^ this one might be to low on the one tile hb plants for ur taste though
im not the maker either

[eternal ruin]

...wait, the smoothie went savory? I am sure I have turned that into quality fert prior.
flails

[floral talon]

yeay the smothie bowl is svory cuz elderlands berrys are savory so odd

[supple stone]

First attempt at an improvement, still some ways to go though. Fertiliser is kind of randomly needed
Can make it a bit better by having horizontal lines at the bottom rather than vertical, but are there any single-tile crops you want more of?

[celest ruin]

Ooh a kind of allrounder! Interesting
Thanks

[floral talon]

u can swap out 2x2s by which one su need

[celest ruin]

I dont think so
I kinda need at least one bean though
After I tried doing beans I was surprised by the amount I got each time I harvested

[floral talon]

they did nerf beans htough so u farm for self use yes

[celest ruin]

I would only use them for parties

[floral talon]

so a small trickle would be sufficient

[celest ruin]

It's a bit chaotic but definitely fun to work on
By chaotic I mean I would need to look at the layout every time I replant

[floral talon]

i also do that but id ot hat on every layout yet somehow i can draw em back up if i have to ...

[dawn prism]

I can't wait to get into gardening

It seems like there are a lot of options for crops and layouts

[floral talon]

sure are if u got any questions htis is hte place

[dawn prism]

I am only like 2 gardening so far. so I am doing 2 plots currently.

[celest ruin]

Or only harvest one thing at a time and then immediately replant the empty spots - rinse and repeat
I do that all the time and I still get it wrong sometimes

[supple stone]

Ah, woops, missed the beans. Apologies.

[celest ruin]

No worries at all

[timber goblet]

Made my own newbie farm layout 🤙✨️ Gonna start gardening when I get on in a bit ;3 Simple crops and no fertilizer but these are my humble beginnings 👨‍🌾🥕🍅

[floral talon]

making ur own is fun isnt it let us know if u need tips or an explanation of mechanics

[supple stone]

ok, try 2 then
Sorry didn't come sooner, irl stuff happened
But have the fertiliser down while actually keeping your crops somewhat this time. Isn't loads of rice/wheat though

[supple stone]

I see what you're going for here with buffing tomatoes (I did a similar thing when starting out haha), not bad as a starter layout!
As Duh said, happy to give advice if you like

[timber goblet]

Thank you and Cysruleon, I appreciate it! And yeah, I thought buffing tomatoes was a efficient way to go about making easy money in the start ;3 Been doing too many quests so I need to grind a bit now 😂

[supple stone]

I was a big fan of tomatoes early on. Might not be the most profitable crop (though it IS good), but it's an early crop that regrows. Plus water retaining is a nice buff too!

Think my first layout was essentially a chequer of tomatoes and things to give it boosts. I have learned a little since then I reckon

[supple stone]

ok, try 3. More symmetrical and less fertiliser again.
Gonna stop here, hope this gives enough inspiration

[floral talon]

that one is actually quiet good cys

[supple stone]

Actually quite good ouch haha

Implying everything else wasn't 😭

[floral talon]

im dutch this is a massive compliment cultural differences ...

[supple stone]

I'm just pulling your leg Duh, ty

Plus it mostly balances the crops as Ben was going for...mostly

Which I think is the biggest win there

[celest ruin]

Thank you very much!! This is really optimal
I love symmetry 😂

[floral talon]

i am duhscape and i approve of this message

[supple stone]

Symmetrical layouts are definitely the most pleasing

[floral talon]

plus then u only have to remember half of it

[supple stone]

hahaha

Very true

[charred cosmos]

When did bean seeds change from 1:1 to 2:1? I noticed I was running low on beans today…. Now I know why 🤯

[supple stone]

The patch a couple days ago

It's...quite a nerf

[charred cosmos]

Gahhhh.

That changes so much.

Brb. Gonna go have a mini farming existential crisis while I reconsider everything g I thought I knew 😅🤣🤣🤣

[supple stone]

It essentially puts Beans on par with the other multi-tile crops (though ahead of them all)

[supple stone]

Yeah, pretty much where I was at

[charred cosmos]

Ty. Good to know.

[supple stone]

When I say ahead, it's not by a lot at all.
Apples are close, and they are more convenient due to longer growth cycle

[charred cosmos]

I should probably start reading the patch notes 😅🫣

Yeah. I’ve always kept apple around bcuz the roi on time is just too good.

[supple stone]

It wasn't even in the patch notes!!!

It was a stealth nerf

[charred cosmos]

they got me!!

In unrelated gardening news, I accidentally put my whole stack of blueberry seeds in the shipping bin. Happy weekend ya’ll!! 😱🤪😂

[supple stone]

Did you fish them out in time?

[eternal ruin]

at least you can request a couple nonstar berries to reseed if you need.

[supple stone]

Or request the seeds themselves?

[eternal ruin]

either or!

[mint sandal]

New everything (except cotton) layout! This one with 2 apple trees cause I wanted to see if I could make it. Symmetrical/mirror cause I'm wired like that. Is 100% water retain/weedblock as always, requires 17 hb fert to be 100% harvest boost
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HBkBtPCBtCr.HBkCb-BtAABtAATAA-ATBk.HAPC.HABkO.H-PmPmCr.HPmPmOP.HCb.HC-OCRTCb.HTRCO-CCb.HP.HOSSW.HSS-O.HBkAC.HPABk.HTA-AATAABAAB-CbBkW.HBCPBBkT.H_D360NrcL75

[supple stone]

Looks good!
Definitely appreciate the rotational symmetry too

[mint sandal]

Yeah, the symmetry just tickles my brain good, I make all my layouts symmetrical or at least as symmetrical as possible. If it's for someone else I might skip the symmetry so I can fit their needs best but if it's for me? It's all about that symmetry and 100% water/weed

[supple stone]

I tend to make the layouts first and then try to make them symmetrical later tbh, so yeah, I get it
And getting fertiliser costs as low as possible, because spamming stacks of fertiliser is just not fun for me

[mint sandal]

I make the symmetry as I go. I try to minimize the hb fert usage but ultimately I don't mind too much cause I get a ton from grilled fish. I litterally sell hundreds every time

I don't want to use any other fert though

[supple stone]

See, I don't mind the trip to Zeki is if means less fert

[mint sandal]

I don't wanna waste money on a garden I tend to only from time to time, any fert bought would be a bad investment for me lol

[supple stone]

I just really hate clicking the fert on

[mint sandal]

Yeah

[supple stone]

But I get what you mean haha

[quick mist]

What is this incredible piece of technology? 😄

[quick mist]

Found it thanks!

[supple stone]

Technology? If you mean the layout, Ben's the one who started it, I only refined it

But glad it's appreciated if so

[quick mist]

this is beautoiful thanks!

[neat vortex]

Could you pop the planner link into this post when you have a sec? :D and maybe give it a title XD

(helps make it searchable)

[slow flame]

This is a gorgeous layout! All 3 buffs and no fert!?

[neat vortex]

I appreciate that this one doesn't require you to use blueberries to buff the beans, and pumpkin/pepper can genuinely be whatever 2x2 you want

[slow flame]

I’m probably gonna use this one as well. I think having a consistent income of foods will be nice.

I know pumpkins aren’t profitable.. but man.. I love pumpkins. 😂😂

[neat vortex]

tbh if the thing you're doing for fun isn't making you happy, what's even the point? :)

Gardens have many functions

[mint sandal]

Tweaked it and managed to put in 2 more grain tiles and thus need 2 less fert. Is also a bit more profitable
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HP.HSBk.HC.HST.HPBt-SP.HTSOBkBtRW-ROBk.HCrPTAAA-BkCBtAAAAAA-BtCbPBkC.HBkCbPB-AAAAAABCBk-AAATPCrBk.HOR-WRBBkOPmTP.HPm-BPT.HPmC.HBk.HPmP.HT.H_D360NrcL75

I find it a bit funny how it ended up with a little path lined with trees and bushes in the middle

[warm yew]

I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask but gonna shoot my shot ;w;

What's the best food for me to place in my glow worm bin to produce more Harvest Boost Fertilizer?
I have a small reckless all apple farm plan but I need more fertilizer ;w;

[mint sandal]

Grilled fish is great

Or any excess meats and mushrooms if you don't feel like fishing/cooking

[neat vortex]

Any "savory" food (well... what's considered savory and not got jumbled a bit with EW, but...) will produce harvest boost fertilizer, proportional to the sell value of the item.

If you're already fishing, yeah, you can grill your common/uncommon fish that you're not using for anything else and chuck those in.
Or, if you go to cooking parties, then stuff like burgers, any of the fish dishe (poke, sushi, sashimi...) and even just regular ol' focus food can be cheap to produce since you're only contributing part of the ingredients.
If you are growing onions in your garden, then pickling those and chucking the pickles in a regular worm farm will get you 9 fertilizer per hour per worm farm.

If you want cheap fertilizer, then cheap forageables and meat in a glow worm farm are the way to go, and let them run overnight.

[warm yew]

So the regular worm farm and the glow worm farm will still wield the same amount of fertilizer... The difference is just worms... Gotcha

[neat vortex]

Yup!

But as a note, the worm farm will produce a lot more worms than the glow worm farm will glow worms, so it will clog MUCH faster when processing high-value stuff

[warm yew]

Thank you Astrea and Eliot

[warm yew]

....welp I know where my chapaa meats will go to then...

[neat vortex]

Chapaa meat ain't bad! Sernuk and muujin are better (they give 4 fert instead of 3, for just 1g increase in sell value)

[warm yew]

...I know what I'm gonna be hunting now
No wonder there's some weird significant difference I couldn't place

Thank you ;w;

What about the Ogopuu meat?

[neat vortex]

Also all those 9g mushrooms you get in spades from shmole hunting and foraging; piksii berries (yeah, savory item, idk why); also green onion, mountain morel, and oyster meat, if you end up with excess of those

Yeah, ogopuu meat is great for it, too! It's also 16g

[warm yew]

[neat vortex]

If you like tables of numbers, you might find this interesting: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=2112178574#gid=2112178574
(Glow Worm Farm Values Lookup sheet)

[warm yew]

I will definitely regret this all apple bonanza plan but it's a silly risk I'm willing to take

[neat vortex]

as well as Arenvanya's fertilizer outcomes sheet, linked in the pinned messages (though it doesn't have the EW stuff yet)

lol what inspired the apple bonanza? honey lures or something?

[warm yew]

you are a saint ;w;

thank you so much

[warm yew]

....to turn into apple jam so I can... buyasmanyluckyzekicoinstogetmoreplushies

that and just to prep up for MM

[neat vortex]

I feel like that's a lot of labor for only middling gold 🤔

[warm yew]

I'm struggling with finding gold sometimes in bahari but the honey lures plan I had is on pause for now

[neat vortex]

sorry, I meant middling revenue from the garden withwhichtobuyasmanyluckycoins

[warm yew]

I keep a good amount of honey lures for me and for giving to others

[mint sandal]

If it's money you need, and lots of it, cooking parties are amazing to make banks. Cake parties, bean burger parties and any epic sushi/sashimi/poke bowl parties in particular

[neat vortex]

can confirm

[mint sandal]

I funded all my plots and houses with those parties

[warm yew]

The apple bonanza might be good for the honeylures soon tho since I've been giving them around a lot and I'm down to...

...20... oof... what happened to my 100 lures

[neat vortex]

friend of mine hosted a speedy 60-round sashimi party today using Majiri-of-War (bycatch from Maws fishing) and it all sold for 112k for about 20 minutes of cooking in total

[warm yew]

wHAT

[neat vortex]

mmyep

[warm yew]

That's... insane... and Majiri of war is used...

[mint sandal]

Those are nice, especially when you're with a truly speedy group. So much money so quick

[neat vortex]

Yeah, the base dish sell value is based on the total of the unstarred sell values of the ingredients used (note: even if you use starred ingredients)

[warm yew]

I'll probably try that when my party is alive but I gotta fish a lot for it (which isn't a problem cuz I like fishing)

So Ogopuu, Sernuk, and Muujin meats for the worm bins / cooked fish for more fertilizer

Majiri of war for sashimi stonks

[neat vortex]

So when you're chopping up fish that are worth 1,065g each unstarred, and they are star quality so each round gains +50% value, all the folks cooking rice overprep are walking away with a lot of money XD not bad for clearing out your "consolation epics"

better for the fish folks if you split up the fish role, but in a community usually folks end up kind of rotating around anyway

[warm yew]

sweats at all the unicorn fish displayed in my house

[mint sandal]

Any epic fish works for stonks

[neat vortex]

Yeah, and even rares tbh

[warm yew]

Are the new pumpkins worth it for canned variant to sell?

[neat vortex]

eleroo eels and angelfish etc. are pretty good for sashimi as well
This table of fish dish values by Sennel Deuragonov is a good overview.

[mint sandal]

The sole reason I have so much rice in my garden rn lol. Though it's been a while since I went to a party like that, last time was before EW I think

[neat vortex]

No, they're very slow with a small yield, so they are bottom of the barrel for revenue per tile per growth tick, sadly.

and then to add insult to injury, the canning process underperforms

[warm yew]

you just saved me from being financially bankrupt essence wise ;w;
thank you

[neat vortex]

I mean... you'd only need to buy ONE seed, and then you could make more yourself, so there's no reason to buy a bunch of them for essence. And you can also buy pumpkins for gold (probably for an arm and a leg, though) from Badruu's farm stand

(and then make seeds from them)

in case you wanted to grow them for the accomplishments and for quest-related dishes

[warm yew]

...I really need to adjust my gardening plot format soon...

But it seems apples are still the way in this economy

[neat vortex]

Not hardly, I'm afraid

[mint sandal]

Fun fact: you can buy pumpkin from Badruu's stall. I noticed that earlier this week and realized I could've save my essence and just made seeds from those pumpkins

[neat vortex]

It wasn't there before this patch, afaik

[neat vortex]

Current top cash crops are bok choy, potatoes, rice, and tomatoes (for solo processing, anyway)

[mint sandal]

I wouldn't be surprised. I hadn't checked that shop in forever

[warm yew]

... I should've checked ;w;

It's been a month of be coming back to Palia so learning all of this has been pretty fun

[warm yew]

I gotta get a plot format for that soon...

[neat vortex]

More numbers for ya :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/edit?gid=1516533569#gid=1516533569
(Crop Revenue Rankings)

And there's a list of gold-focused layouts if you search "minmax" in the channel and filter by links. If you have specific crops you want to grow for other reasons (like still wanting some apple trees for lures, or whatever you need for your favorite focus foods), then we can help you find something for that as well

Also I keep meaning to ask that folks stop forwarding the minimax list (instead of linking it) because forwarded posts don't update when the original post updates XD

I go back and add things to the list (or remove them when the meta changes), so things get out of date fast

[mint sandal]

And if you like to have a bit of everything, there's a lot of everything gardens in here too

[neat vortex]

We have a lot of very creative layout-makers around here :D

[mint sandal]

I mostly make those (everything gardens)

[neat vortex]

I've mostly started leaving it to y'all, because everything's 2x2s now and I hate wrestling with them XD

[warm yew]

I guess I'll be focusing more on honey lure restock
Then it's the stonks making soon with gardens and fishing

[neat vortex]

Hmmm I wonder if the apple diamond would suit you

[mint sandal]

Yeah, it complicates things for sure, but I think ima switch my own garden to the one I just shared earlier

[warm yew]

Thank you both @neat vortex and @mint sandal
So much things I've learned today and I really appreciate it ;w;
Genuinely missed this feeling and it's still as strong as when I first started playing Palia

[mint sandal]

Ofc! Happy to help

[neat vortex]

Here's that apple layout, if you wanna give it a look
#🌱│gardening message

[warm yew]

Ohhh that has most of the good crops too
I used a old version of the apple format before where it's carrots, potatoes, blueberries, apples, and corn

Thank you both so much
I have a lot of work to do now
definitely not procrastinating still on decorating my plot either

[neat vortex]

XD

I've been falling asleep in my chair (though I perked up for a while with this conversation!) so I think I'm gonna go crash

(lol I can't say "crash out" for "go fall asleep very rapidly" anymore, so funny how language shifts)

[warm yew]

Oh! Thank you so much for replying despite the sleepiness ;w;

Have a good sleep!

[mint sandal]

Same lol, is 3h30am

[neat vortex]

Happy apple-ing!

[warm yew]

..oh my stars i hope both of you have good sleep and sweet dreams

[mint sandal]

Thanks!

[neat vortex]

oh and obvs you can swap in rice for the wheat, I just used wheat as my default grain in layouts for a while because, idk. vibes.

but it's also used in bean burgers now, so, maybe a rotation or something lol

[warm yew]

... I sometimes forget the bean burger exists since they were used for a few quests only

[slow flame]

What is the profit margin for this one? 🥲 I just planted your other version of this…

[bright helm]

hey, can anyone help me out, i wanna garden for all crop types, but i need a layout that doesnt use apples or blueberriea as im not high enough level yet

[neat vortex]

Maybe yexol's bullseye modification

[bright helm]

uhm, whats is that?

[neat vortex]

This one: #🌱│gardening message

You can put beans in up to 4 corners like that; same with peppers and pumpkins, though you'll need a little more harvest boost fertilizer to fill in the gaps

[bright helm]

thanks, i think i need to replace the beans though, i started the game yesterday, so i only have the basic crops

none of the fancy ones yet

[supple stone]

You COULD get Beans already, they're just foraged in Elderwoods. Usually at the base of big trees (but weirdly I see them less in Deep Woods area)

However, they need to be seeded to be profitable. So if you're still levelling up gardening and don't have many seeders, other crops may just be better

[bright helm]

i dont care about profits, i need to farm to level up and have enough crops to make food, money is secondary right now 🙂

[supple stone]

OK, well you can use Beans in the layout if you want. Otherwise, you just continue the pattern of the concentric rings

[bright helm]

is there a collective place wher ei can see everyones farm laouts?

and find the one that suits me the best?

[supple stone]

I mean, there are a lot posted in here.
If you search minmax you'll find profit oriented ones, afk or lazy and you'll get ones which are based more on less babysitting the garden

[supple stone]

I do agree that some sort of repository would be good though

[supple stone]

Will do a little later. But... Not very good at coming up with names haha

[stiff tulip]

Is there actually a keybind to instantly just dump a whole stack of compost on a tile without having to click every single one?

[supple stone]

If only...
Macros or controllers with a turbo button would work, but macros are likely not... Approved of by devs. Not sure they would do anything about it mind you

I really hate putting on loads of fertiliser, so I try to get fertiliser needs as low as possible haha

[stiff tulip]

because these loads of fertilizer, truly, doesn't really make my low-maintenance farm... 'low maintenance'

[willow beacon]

thank you i was looking for something like that

[supple stone]

At least if you do a whole stack of fertiliser it does last a long time on a single tile crop, and while putting a whole stack on multi-tile crops may not last anywhere near as long, it's way quicker to apply
Even for people who get 10 growth ticks a day, 99 fertiliser on a single tile crop will last 10 irl days, just a pain when it does run out

[supple stone]

Symmetrical Double Apples, Blueberries and Beans - version 1, 8 fertiliser per tick

Made as a request for Ben, who started the layout and wanted 2 Apples, Beans and Blueberries with a bunch of the crops in here (plus cabbage which I have removed for now in favour of more tomatoes/potatoes to better showcase potential profit).
Has more Rice/Wheat and less total fertiliser needed than version 2 below.

Requires 8 fertiliser - 1 Harvest Boost and Hydro-Pro, 6 Weed Block
100% Harvest Boost, Weed Resistance and Water Retaining

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.WAAPAATAA-AR.YAABk.WAAPA-AABk.WAAPAAT-OBkBWTBRPBt-BTBBBkBBtOBt-BBkOBTWBtPR-OBkBtPTPR.WWO-BtTBtTP.WTBkR.HBk-BtBkOPTPOWR.W_D180GtL25Cr0.AP-BP-RS-CbP-PS-BkS-OP-WS-BtS-TP

Symmetrical Double Apples, Blueberries and Beans - version 2, 10 fertiliser per tick but mostly Harvest Boost fertiliser.

Essentially the same as version 1 above, but reworked to use mostly (but sadly not all) Harvest Boost fertiliser, reducing how much needs to be bought from Zeki, but half the amount of Wheat/Rice in the layout as a result. Works out a tiny bit more profitable though

Requires 10 fertiliser - 7 Harvest Boost, 2 Hydro-Pro, 1 Weed Block
100% Harvest Boost, Weed Resistance and Water Retaining

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HPTBkAATAA-BkO.YBkAR.YAABk.WA-TPO.HAABkAAT-PAAOBkBRTB-APABTBBOB-AAPBBkOBTR-WPBtOBkBtP.HT.HO-BtBkBtBtTBtBkP.HBk-BtPWBtBkOOT.HP.H_D180GtL25Cr0.AP-BP-BtS-OP-BkS-TP-RS-WS-PS

[supple stone]

^^

[supple stone]

Hmm, just had a thought.
When they add animal husbandry, if we need to feed our new friends, then wheat and corn could end up being more necessary in layouts. Does depend on what (or if) they would eat though of course.
Though it could definitely end up being another dimension to the gardening maths haha

[olive pumice]

Oh,I know who could help and has his own repository! @floral talon, your bat -signal is flashing!

[bright helm]

oh damn, thatd be super helpful

[floral talon]

duhscape will be avilable to help in less then an hour

[olive pumice]

Please tell me you have these type of messages on an automated system. That would be fantastic lol

[supple stone]

You know...this would not surprise me 😄

[bright helm]

on another note, what is that creature in ur PFP? XD

[olive pumice]

I believe it's supposed to be a cat. It was a Google pic find that I relate to on a regular basis

[bright helm]

i love the ears

[olive pumice]

It's like a cat-bat!

[bright helm]

exactly, i thought it was a bat at first

[floral talon]

i have a private discord server with a channel called gardening layouts and i forward them when i need to send one cuz i got tired of resending and remakign the same hting over and over XD

[floral talon]

what ya needing and what is ur gardening lv

[bright helm]

i was looking for a layour that didnt have beans, trees or blueberries since im not hight enough level yet

im trying to maximise most amount of different crops per harvest

[floral talon]

so u just want the beginner layouts?

[bright helm]

i have a 3x3

[floral talon]

ok so imma givbe u one with lots of cotton as that quality ups ur crops and only at low level is it meaningufll to do em

[supple stone]

Has anyone made low level everything gardens?

[floral talon]

so u got 1 soil? or 9 soils 3x3tiles vs 3x3 soils

[bright helm]

i have my 3x3

[floral talon]

no cuiz u cant i think maybe u could but i never managed to put weedblock in those aswell

[bright helm]

9 soil

[floral talon]

and u only need the single tile sized plants yes?

[supple stone]

I mean everything-available-to-low-level-gardens I guess

[bright helm]

yes, the basic available plants

[floral talon]

since u want such a large variation i believe the confetti is best for you

at lower levels u need quality up which the cototn gives and ul consume all cotton into fabric for furniture making later on u can ditch it as u get star quality produce only anyways

[bright helm]

thnak u, ill give it a try when my current harvest is done ❤️

[floral talon]

read these layouts as water retain single tile sized plant 1 and 2 which plants u chose for that is up to u
same with hb plants same with weedblock plants cotton is just well special

cotton dont need to be quality since its only purpose is to be used in furniture making anyways

[bright helm]

right, ill try my best!

[supple stone]

Good luck ^^

[mint sandal]

Sry, I'd gone to bed when you sent that. I only have the numbers from the planner as I haven't used them yet, and those numbers are just the raw profit from selling everything without processing 1st on a period of 360 palian days. Original vs tweaked version

[mint sandal]

I did modify it a bit to make it a bit more profitable, too
#🌱│gardening message

[mint sandal]

Oh, smart. Do you have only yours in there or anything good made here by other people as well?

[floral talon]

so far i only got one from anna to something needs to be asked for more hten once and be a good layout
layouts inferior to the ones in there will alwyas be tossed

[mint sandal]

Makes sense

[gentle depot]

I saw someone make their crops in a circle around a fountain looking thing. Any ideas how to do that?

[floral talon]

u mean they moved the soils around cuz having a rectangle is not mandatory though

[gentle depot]

How do you change them from being rectangle?

[supple stone]

Each individual 'soil' iten (which is a 3x3 of plantable tiles) can be picked up and placed (or just moved if already placed) individually, same as any other placed item
The only restriction is that you can't move a soil plot if there is a multi-tile crop that overlaps it and another soil plot, and you cannot pick up a soil plot unless it is completely clear and untilled

[gentle depot]

Yeah Ive moved them around before, I'm trying to figure out how this person did a completely circular garden around the piksii grove with the soils when you cant reotate them or anything

[supple stone]

Having not seen what they did, no clue I'm afraid

[olive pumice]

Oh, I remembered that you had a collection for different scenarios. You've helped me (and probably 100s of others) figure out garden arrangements 😄 I just thought the idea of you having a set up where it automatically tells anyone who needs to get ahold of you how long till you're available. Like when on hold for phone calls. Due to the popular demand for your services

[floral talon]

Thats not possible at the moment or anytime soon but i did save myself gaving to retype everything xd

[slow flame]

That is honestly incredible! I planted the first version, But i think I may change it so the updated! I’m pretty excited! Thank you for sharing!

[errant thunder]

I have been using bok choy and apples to make lots of gold quick, but now I am looking for a good layout to grow one of everything to stock up and get a stack of each crop.

I have been playing around and thinking of using this layout but is there a recognised best All Crop Layout?

[supple stone]

There is no best layout, as what is best depends on what the person wants really. And how you rank best. Astrea recently posted an everything garden with 2 apple trees if that sounds good (honestly, it's an impressive layout)

On that layout you posted, you'd probably want a bunch of fertiliser (most layouts need some to ensure the 3 main buffs on everything though)

[minor umbra]

Hii! Could someone explain how when i was selling carrots, at first it was 34 coins per carrot (i had +33 focus points) and rn its going for 23 gold per carrot (i have +15 focus points). is it bc of the focus points or smth else? (my b if this is the wrong channel)

[clear kindle]

you were selling star quality carrots the first time, 34g is what star quality carrots sell for

[mint sandal]

I'm guessing at 1st you sold starred carrots and then regular ones

[mint sandal]

Here's my 2 apple everything garden Cysruleon mentionned
#🌱│gardening message

[minor umbra]

ahh i see, how do you get star quality carrots then?

[minor umbra]

[clear kindle]

early on, they'll just randomly show up when you harvest, if you take those star crops and then turn them into star seeds and plant those, you'll start to get more and more of the star crops. eventually (around level 18 with 25 guaranteed) you'll get nothing but star crops from star seeds, and once you reach around level 38 with 50 being guaranteed you'll get star crops even from non-star seeds

[mint sandal]

By either using fert or crops to give the quality up boost or, starting at around level 25, you'll get star quality crops naturally more consistently until you get guaranteed starred crops starting level 50 iirc

[minor umbra]

ooh okay thank you so much!! i literally started the game yesterday 😭 how do you turn them into star seeds? do you need a machine or smth?

[minor umbra]

for the levels, do you mean like gardening level?

[mint sandal]

Yes

[supple stone]

Level 38 is guaranteed starred produce from unstarred seeds. 25% base star chance + 2% per level, so 25 + 2x38 = 101
Starred seeds give an additional 25% chance to the base 25%, so you only need 50% from levels, ie level 25

[supple stone]

Yeah, seed collector. You'll be able to buy it from gardening guild store (Badruu) soon.
Put in a regular non starred crop, get non starred seeds. Put in starred crops, get starred seeds

[minor umbra]

does it take a long time to get to level 38? (just started the game yesterday)

[supple stone]

You'll get there eventually. By that time you'll be growing all star seeds anyway so it won't even matter. No functional difference between 25 and 38 in practice.

There's no fast way to level gardening. All crops give the same exp per ingame day.
Just get the extra soil crops when you can and try to always have something growing in all spots.
Not a bad idea to save your starred produce for when you get the seed collector so you can start with starred seeds quicker

[minor umbra]

thank you!! good to know! and is the seed collector expensive?

[supple stone]

You can buy the recipe from level 5, need 1k gold to buy it
Each one you make would need 16 sapwood, 2 copper bar, 6 ceramic and 10 plant fiber
So not expensive, but it's a decent chunk of mats early on

[minor umbra]

perfect! tysm for the help!

[supple stone]

No worries. I'd also advise investing in some early crafter licences from Kenyatta's cash register when you're near getting seed collectors so you can place down a couple to get you started (they will not be wasted later either)

As early on most of my crafters were running most of the time, so didn't feel I could just remove one to place down a seed collector

[minor umbra]

i will make sure to remember this! ty! so if i didnt buy the crafter license, does that mean that i can only place 1? or that it would be a lot more expensive without it?

[supple stone]

So, your furnace, log cutter, kiln, loom, worm farms...all are crafters and take up a crafter slot. You start with maybe 5 crafter slots?

So you can have 5 of these active crafters placed at once

You can buy additional slots (up to 30, gets more and more expensive each time) so you can have more placed

[minor umbra]

ahh i see!! that makes sense! thank you sm! okay i'll def get that then 🫡

[mint sandal]

Yeah but 50 is guaranteed starred no matter what, which is why I said what I said

[supple stone]

But 38 is guaranteed no matter what?

[mint sandal]

That's not what I've seen been told here before

[supple stone]

It's the formula the garden planner uses

[clear kindle]

i think there's still a chance (though small) to get regular crops still from regular seeds

[supple stone]

25% base chance + 50% if using quality boost + 25% if starred seed + 2% per level

[clear kindle]

it's like there's still a chance with certain crops to give the bonus normal process item

[supple stone]

The seeders giving a 10% (I think) chance of a regular seed from a starred crop is unaffected by level, and it's just a bonus seed anyway...is that what you were referencing, or an I grasping the wrong end of the stick?

[floral talon]

hi zahra welcome to gardening in palia hope u enjoy it

[supple stone]

Ren is the one who told me that formula btw, if that sways your opinion at all (I feel he's pretty trustworthy). Was yesterday or the day before. It holds up from my experience too (though admittedly rarely used unstarred seeds between 25 and 38)

[mint sandal]

Idk all the stats, I just always saw here 25 you start naturally getting some starred crops from regular seeds and 50 you you're guaranteed starred crops no matter the quality of the seeds so I always operated with those numbers. Maybe they changed or maybe they were wrong, idk. I just make everything gardens with 100% water/weedblock, I'm hardly an expert on anything else lol

[supple stone]

Maybe they did change it, I'm not exactly an old player
But you can definitely get starred produce from the start, even with unstarred seeds.
25 is just when it becomes guaranteed with ONLY using starred seeds, but no quality up fert/buff

I'm gardening 47, so would be difficult to test accurately. I could try planting some unstarred seeds and see if I get any unstarred crops. If I do, you're right
If I don't, well, I'm not proven right as it could be just good RNG

2 growth ticks until I can replant a chunk of my garden though

[wheat lake]

Hey guys! This might be a bit of a dumb question as im still new. But how does harvest boost fertilizer work? I've noticed it goes down a tick every day and i just don't want to use it early if it only effects the day it's harvested. Can someone explain how it works or how to use it best?

[clear kindle]

Each farming square can have one type fertilizer applied at a time, but you can stack up to 99 fertilizers of the same type on a single square. Each square will consume 1 fertilizer per growth cycle. In order to achieve full benefit of fertilizer, it needs to be consumed every day. E.g. fertilizing a potato (5 day crop) only 4 times with harvest boost fertilizer will give 4/5 chance of getting bonus yield.

[wheat lake]

Oh! I didn't know that every fertilizer stacked

That explains a lot, thank you :))

[supple stone]

Also, dw about asking questions, everyone is new at some point!

[clear kindle]

keep in mind that if you have crops that give the same buff as the fertilizer the crop's buff will be prioritized over the fertilizer (i.e. if a potato is next to an onion, the onion is receiving the water retention buff, so applying hydro fertilizer on the onion will not be consumed. same goes for the potato and weed prevention fertilizer)

[gilded tapir]

How many times can you harvest an Apple tree before it’s gone or does it stay forever

[clear kindle]

four times - one after 12 growth cycles, then 3 more time 6 growth cycles apart

12+6+6+6

[gilded tapir]

Thank you!
I set my apple tree on an awkward spot and have been waiting for it to finish and disappear but it’s been a while 😅

[floral talon]

even if ur questions are dumb which it wasnt in this case aslong as the answer is smart ul be less dumb after so keep on asking questions

[neat vortex]

If it helps, it stays in the soil between plantings, so you're really only topping it up every once in a while - not spamming on 99 every time you replant

[stiff tulip]

Odd because every time I replant my blurbs or apples it keeps resetting the compost xd

[mint sandal]

Yeah, that's new. It used to stay in the soil

[neat vortex]

Yeah, multi-tile crops pull out any existing fertilizer (but they are MUCH faster to re-fertilize since they go on 4 or 9 at a time)

it's to avoid the weird situation where you plonk it onto tiles that have, say, 99 weedblock on one and 99 harvest boost on the other. Can't have both types at once... can't have more than 100 on a crop (for 2x2s, 99 for everything else)

so it makes it simple and just pulls it all out upon planting a multi-tile crop

[stiff tulip]

But hey, thanks for quickly tagging me back about it, appreciate it!

[neat vortex]

This must have been before my time

[mint sandal]

I doubt I started playing before you (started around may last year iirc), but I feel like the leftover fert used to always stay in the soil, even with bushes and trees. Tbf I might very well be misremembering cause I get lazy with fert and don't use it most of the time

[neat vortex]

I started in Jan 2024, and I remember early on when I got peppers being very confused at how the fertilizer worked (and being mildly annoyed that I had to re-apply it), since I was using QU fert pretty heavily at the time

[mint sandal]

Ok so I am misremembering then lol

[brazen ember]

Hi!, I nneed help, on an intro quest where badruu is teaching you about gardening he is supposed to give you a gardening plot, the thing is that he didn't gave me one and I already searched in my chests and tried al, the ways possibles to get it but I can't

[neat vortex]

They are called "soil" if that helps?

[brazen ember]

I already searched it again but I couldn't again

[slow flame]

How can I find the garden layouts?

[manic meteor]

Under the pinned messsages titled garden planner

[slow flame]

Oh sorry. I mean the ones people have posted regarding the Bok Choy layouts?

[manic meteor]

Ahh! I think Ren is still online, he's great with those

[slow flame]

I think I found one! 🤣 it was one without fertilizer.

[neat vortex]

ah yeah one of the tryhard layouts?

[little forge]

does anyone know how to un plant a plant?
i accidentally put it in the wrong spot.
I'm on the switch if that makes any sort of difference
sorry if this was the wrong place to ask
I first went to gameplay help but then iw as like..what if the gardening section was the better choice?

[main crag]

i dont play on switch but, supposedly it is the secondary tool action button with the hoe* same as refilling water with watering can etc

[main crag]

forgot to ping

[little forge]

Thank you, i actually just saw it

[zealous sonnet]

how you get more than 9 plots of soil?

[supple stone]

You do not. At least not by legit means. If you have done a house tour and seen a plot with more than 9 soil plots, it is not legit.

[zealous sonnet]

i see on screenshots

[supple stone]

ok, still not legit though I'm afraid

[zealous sonnet]

afraid of what?

[supple stone]

Just a figure of speech, often used when giving news that is what the person didn't want to hear

[zealous sonnet]

i think if they put more soil plots in game maybe they will put more seed types in future

and why can apple trees not grow like the other trees ?

we need orange trees mango trees lemon trees

for summer juice

[supple stone]

If they put in more soil, they would have to rebalance the cost of all produce, seeds and preserves, adjust the timings of seeding/preserving, rebalance the cost of all foods...it's a big thing

Gardening is balanced to be a passive source of income, it's not meant to be active income. It just supplements whatever else you do to make money

If you add more soil, that really upsets the balance. So, unlikely to be done any time soon really

[zealous sonnet]

like frog hunt? people spam that area to earn easy money

[supple stone]

As for apple trees not being like normal trees, essentially the same economy balance thing

Lures, Fishing, Hunting, all are good sources of active money

Some like mining, I'm not as sold

Different types of tree would be cool, I agree

[zealous sonnet]

yeah but for that we need mor soil

[supple stone]

Well, no. You wouldn't be able to grow everything, but that doesn't mean you need more soil. You just grow what you need

[zealous sonnet]

maybe in future

we will get chikens so im happy

[supple stone]

It's certainly possible we'll get more soil, but I'd be surprised if it happens anytime soon in all honesty
But yes, animal husbandry update will be great 😄

I do wonder how it will affect the choice of crops grown though haha

[zealous sonnet]

im asking for this since alpha

to make a farm plot

[supple stone]

It was a common request I think!

[neat vortex]

Still a common request; we get this question several times a week, at least, lol

(as you've seen, Cysruleon, lol)

[simple blaze]

made sprinklers

[errant thunder]

Thank you 👍🏼

[hazy crystal]

since beans have been nerfed in the update... is there a new profit method/layout? been searching and getting conflicting answers lol

bless, may both sides of your pillow be cold

[supple stone]

Essentially, Bok Choy is king of profit again

But it's also a pain. Replanting every 3 days, and so many seeds that you might not be able to sell everything in 1 shipping bin

[hazy crystal]

thankyou, i personally don't mind as i get some Hot Pot games in and then tab out to do art. this game is home rn

[supple stone]

Fair enough, well enjoy your bok choy

[hazy crystal]

oh i should check though is there any seeds/preserving with that or is it just the crops sold as is?

[supple stone]

Seeding

You always want to process your crops for more profit, most things you preserve for profit but Bok Choy, Beans and Potatoes are best seeded (also Cotton). Edit - I somehow forgot to include Rice and Wheat, but they can't be preserved so they have to be seeded really

[hazy crystal]

thankyou!

[celest ruin]

There isn't really a profitable recipe that requires bok choy right? Focus/Gold wise

[supple stone]

This is correct. Though considering they asked about Beans getting nerfed (which was the best profit crop for pure solo processing rather and less good in cooking parties), I just presumed the question was about cooking parties

[neat vortex]

Not for solo cooking, certainly, but if you have wildly too much bok choy to process and you can find some parties for rice cake stir fry, that recipe does take it, and selling the results will be more money than seeding the bok choy would have been. However, the recipe tends to be really slow unless the folks at the party are really on top of things, though. It's almost as complex as Muujin Bahari in terms of step layers.

To add insult to injury, the food also sells for a bit less money than it "should" per the dish sell value formula, because bok choy, napa cabbage, ginger, and green onion all count 0 toward the dish sell value when chopped :(

That said, that does mean that it's not very painful to eat it, if you need focus food XD and 88g per round ain't even terrible as far as food costs go.

[celest ruin]

I seem to keep having at least 200 constantly in my storage. All crafters are already filled up
I mean 174g or 712 focus isn't that bad for star quality
Thanks for the info

[neat vortex]

It ends up being 81g per dish in star quality :< (but 243g per round, so, almost triple your investment if you sell it)

star rate for RCSF parties is usually around 66%, so that works out to a bit over 215g per round over the whole thing. So, really more like 2.5x what you would have gotten from seeding the bok choy.

[raw crypt]

What are the popular crops for cooking parties? I've been thinking of tailoring my garden away from solo processing to have more ingredients for parties.

[neat vortex]

bahaha I just posted about this in the cooking channel I think

[raw crypt]

Ooh. Let me go look.

[neat vortex]

here: #🍳│cooking-foraging message

[raw crypt]

That's super helpful. So following up, if you were to make your own garden tailored towards cooking parties, what crops would you personally set-up? Looking for ideas.

[neat vortex]

In my own garden, I grow by default...

• potatoes, bok choy (cash crops for solo processing)
• tomatoes, onions; sometimes I swap one out for carrots if I need to restock
• 6ish grain tiles that I rotate around all 3 grains (rice [default], wheat, corn) according to what I have used recently - rice is easiest to dispose of if I have excess, because sashimi and sushi parties are very common, and a bunch of focus food parties also use it
• either 2 apple trees OR 2 bean bushes + more of the other crops listed, depending on how lazy I'm feeling (apples are easier to manage than beans + 5 single-tile crops, albeit less profitable)
• 2 bushes that I rotate around with beans (default cash crop), or sometimes peppers or (very rarely) blueberries, if I happen to need to grow more

[raw crypt]

Do you have a sample plot to share that I could take a peek at?

[neat vortex]

I can share my weird linear layout, or would you rather have the one for a 9x9 tile layout?

[raw crypt]

I'm doing a 9x9 layout right now, so probably that. But I wouldn't mind looking at the linear one.

[neat vortex]

Here's the 9x9:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOR-OPTBtBtBkBtBtO-R.HBkT.HPO.HPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPO.HPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPO.HPT.HBkR.H-O.HSSBk.HSSTP.HO.H-ROBkPT.HPBk.HOR.H

and here's the linear one:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-1111111-1000001_CR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPR.HPTBkO.H-O.HBkTPBt.HBt.HTBt.HBt.H-P.HTO.HBkR.HBkOTP.H-T.HP.HO.HS.HS.HBk.HS.HS.HT.H-O.HBkPTR.HTP.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPR.HPT.HBkO.H-OBkTPR.HPT.HBkO.H

I included peppers in these so you could see an example of how to fill in the harvest boost gaps with fertilizer

The 9x9 is much more efficient in general since it has fewer edges and corners; my linear layout trades accessibility (for me - I get lost in the Garden Cube 😩 ) for needing a bunch more harvest boost fertilizer

And here is the version of that linear layout with the apple trees replaced with beans (though I make no claims of efficiency!)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-1111111-1000001_CR-T.HPBkBkBt.HBt.HO.HBt.HBt.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPTBkO.H-O.HBkTPBt.HBt.HTBt.HBt.H-P.HTO.HBkR.HBkOTP-TPO.HBt.HBt.HBkBt.HBt.HT-O.HTP.HBkR.HBkP.HTO-OBkT.HBt.HBt.HP.HBt.HBt.HBk.H-T.HBkOPR.HPO.HBkT.H-TBkO.HPR.HPO.HBkT.H

There's a 3-bean version that grows a LOT more grain tiles and uses much, much less fertilizer - my alt uses that one - but it's not easy to switch apples into it.

There are a ton of other "everything gardens" out there, as well, that can be adapted to grow just about anything since they have spaces for all crop types

[celest ruin]

Weiiiird
Paliatracker says 174g starred

[neat vortex]

It's probably based on the tooltip value for the recipe, which are all kind of made up tbh. Even if the recipe had its correct value, it still wouldn't be that much, based on the ingredients.
(116g x 1.5 is 174g for the starred value)

The one for cakes is 188g, which is MORE than you can get even if you use all apples for the fruit frosting...

yeah the recipe tooltip numbers, I have no idea what they're based on or why they're so wonky

they're the value of the item you get when you request a dish, though, lol

[supple stone]

So...you can make a tiny bit of profit trading cakes with people via requests. Cool. Useless in practice, but cool.

[neat vortex]

The recipe tooltip numbers being nonsense was actually what got me started on my journey to learn how the dish sell value was calculated

lol yeah a very tiny bit, if you have an accidental blueberry cake or something

[supple stone]

Well, you said the value was more than you could make even with apple for fruit frosting, which is the max value you can get for cakes I thought?

That would mean you could always make a tiny profit

[neat vortex]

yep, but like, sub 10g for apple cakes XD

[supple stone]

Yeah, figured it would be a tiny amount, but just the fact you can make profit like that amuses me

Of course, better off requesting something high value like Maws, but that's not the point haha

[celest ruin]

Interesting details 🤔

[slow flame]

So question. I’m doing a Bok Choy layout. After I fill up my seeders.. I can put some in preserve jars and then can I add those into the worm bins? Is that more profitable?

[supple stone]

So, value of Bok Choy Kimchi after worms have devoured it goes to 90g, more than the 88g 4 seeds sells for. By 2 gold. This is for 1/3 more processing time (1.2 hours for seeding, 1.6 hours for preserve + worm)

[slow flame]

But I would have a steady income for worms, right? Which fishing can also be profitable?

[supple stone]

You'd want glow worms for profitable fish

[neat vortex]

For your time, glow worm fishing is better gold

[supple stone]

And glow worm farms are less profitable unless you use low value things (most of the time)

[slow flame]

I have 3 glow worm bins and 3 normal worms. I was just curious if it would be worth putting those kimchi into them.

[neat vortex]

If you don't have anything else keeping your worm farms busy, it would be fine

[supple stone]

Honestly, with that much Bok Choy, I'd turn some of those worm farms into more seeders

[slow flame]

Basically looking to get worms and selling fertilizer. So I can then use the worms to fish.

[supple stone]

It does depend on how many growth ticks you get per day though

[slow flame]

I have probably around 8 seeders, 6 preserves, 6 - 3 and 3 work bins. I still have some more room I could put down my seeders.

[supple stone]

For that layout, I'd be thinking 20+ seeders for Bok Choy alone

[slow flame]

I have 30 crafting licenses. I just have a nice layout and an aesthetic layout to things. (Finally)

[neat vortex]

Which layout are you using, Nyxta?

[slow flame]

This one.

But I don’t have anything in my work bins currently.

But I figured doing this. I’d have more stuff to throw in the worm bins.

[supple stone]

Of course, this value varies massively depending on how many growth ticks you're getting per day

[neat vortex]

oops, thank you, missed the image

[slow flame]

You are fine ❤️

[slow flame]

It depends. One days I work. Maybe 3. Days off. I’m usually playing all day if not close.

[supple stone]

Your days off will probably result in a bunch going into storage for later processing I imagine 😄
But yeah, personally, I would go for more seeders.

If fishing seriously, you can burn through 150+ glow worms in an hour if you have the group fishing hook speed buff + trout dinner at the same time and don't take breaks. It is rare people don't take breaks. If you just use Bok Choy Kimchi, then each Glow Worm farm can get you 48 glow worms per day.
Personally, my plan would be to use less glow/worm farms and preserve jars, more seeders and recycle some of the glow worm fish into worm food (grill them first) while you are playing (potentially when not too, but more likely to jam than Bok Choy Kimchi, so up to you)

I like being able to divide the harvest into lots of 16 to go into each seeder, as that's all that will be processed before they stall due to a clogged output

This is what made Beans so great previously, could run for 60 hours without stalling. Ahh, the Bean glory days!

(And you could leave the Bean seeds in the output rather than being religious about empyting the seeders)

[raw crypt]

Thinking of doing an almost-everything garden set-up so I can start stocking up for cooking parties while still making some solo profit. Using Astrea's layout as a template:

Are there any crops that I could consider swapping out because they're very unlikely to get usage?

[supple stone]

I have yet to do a proper cooking party, so no point in me saying anything, as you've already been shown Ren's post about ingredients

Maybe more Onions? Not that many common recipes use carrots (or Bok Choy, but that has more profit, so ignoring that)

Not sure you need 2 Corn, as I think that's only used in Tacos?

Anyway, that is all I can say, so definitely shutting up now

[neat vortex]

Blueberries, unless you plan to host.
Corn is required for a number of dishes, though (spicy crab fried rice, veggie chili, muujin Bahari, petit fives) and also a lot of the recipes for the A Dish of Spice and Corn cooking accomplishments

[supple stone]

(So yeah, I should have stayed quiet hehe)

[neat vortex]

I'm having to squint at the diagram a bit, but it looks like you can plant all of the grain tiles as a single crop at a time and keep the buff intact EXCEPT the rice on the very top right and bottom left; those will need to be a secondary grain or be buffed with HB fertilizer

And yeah, at least while you're stocking up, I'd swap around the weedblockers to emphasize onions, like Cysruleon said, because those are used A LOT
(...what would you prefer as a short version of your name, btw, lol? Cy maybe? CS?)

[supple stone]

Cys is commonly used, I'd be fine with Cy too though

[raw crypt]

Perfect, so swap out the blueberries. That's easy.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HP.HSBk.HC.HST.HPBt-SP.HTSOBkBtRW-ROBk.HCrPTAAA-BkCBtAAAAAA-BtCbPBkC.HBkCbPB-AAAAAABCBk-AAATPCrBk.HOR-WRBBkOPmTP.HPm-BPT.HPmC.HBk.HPmP.HT.H_D360NrcL75

[neat vortex]

MOAR BEANS

I mean, maybe rack up 100 blueberries just in case, but...

[raw crypt]

Do you mind modifying this with what you'd change (the stuff you mentioned earlier) + taking out the blueberries?

[neat vortex]

Sure, I can take a look rq!

[raw crypt]

Thanks chief.

[neat vortex]

On one condition: give it your best shot first, and then I'll share mine :)

[raw crypt]

Ok, I'll do so.

[blazing shadow]

Does the 9 knapweed bug mean it's not possible to use it as a weed block anymore?

[raw crypt]

I'll have to work on it later; I need to take my son to a friend's birthday party (a RL cake party!) but I'll send you what I got later. I'm kind of stumped right now, lol.

[neat vortex]

Correct, if you have 9 weeds in your garden, your crops will regress/lose progress. I know someone who said he had made it work, but it was... incredibly fussy, something about needing to interact with the garden every time before he logged out, or perhaps it was once per Palian day? (He had a scheme involving tomato plants.)

[neat vortex]

Okay! I'm still noodling, but I'll save what I've got when I've got it :)

[blazing shadow]

Sounds like the tomatoes were planted on rotation so he always has a crop to harvest

[neat vortex]

He mostly just left them unharvested, I think.

So, yeah, they were always ready

[dawn prism]

Finally got my seed collector. 🙂

I'm pretty early in the gardening grind. Any suggestions on a crop set up when I am around 5 gardening?

I have 9 soil plots.

[neat vortex]

My general recommendation for early game is the Bullseye layout. It's good for gold (for an AFK layout), and the top cash crops are mostly processed in seedmakers anyway.

The Bullseye as well as some other options are listed here - some more labor-intensive than others: #🌱│gardening message

However, my thought on it is that having a layout that is 100% self-watering and self-weeding means you have more time to quest, talk to villagers, etc. without having to be home every hour necessarily to get your crops to progress. They will go all the way until they are harvestable without any intervention.

I would highly recommend investing in crafter licenses ASAP, as that will directly increase your ability to get gold out of your garden.

[umbral glen]

Anyone have ideas for a beginner sort of farm?

[neat vortex]

As a note, the bullseye layout linked here is technically highest gold minmaxed, but for practicality, I would consider swapping out carrots and putting in onions, as onions are used in a lot of dishes - including poke bowls. Poke parties with high-value fish are a very powerful source of gold.

Since you only have a seedmaker, I would also grow wheat rather than corn, especially since wheat is useful for steak dinner (one of the more cost-effective focus foods for midgame)

[neat vortex]

That's easy! Just read the post right above yours for my opinion :D

[umbral glen]

OH you did list that, thank you very much!

[dawn prism]

ALrighty! I will try out that Bullseye pattern!

I'll have to look into the crafter's license.

Can I dig up crops that I want to replace or do I need to just let them live out their life?

[neat vortex]

You can destroy them using the hoe and the secondary action tool button (whatever you use to swap ammo on the aiming tools), but you won't get the seed back

[pseudo hemlock]

is there a way to remove a crop?

[supple stone]

Look at the message one above your post

[pseudo hemlock]

lol im dumb

sorry about that hahaha

[supple stone]

It happens. This wasn't even the first time today haha

[blazing shadow]

Any suggestions for a lazy farm? I was going to use a 9 knapweed block until I realized my crops stalled.

I guess I just got to use knapweed fertilizer but that kind of defeats the lazy farm I'm trying to do

[supple stone]

Anything in particular you want to grow?
And when you say lazy, just 100% water retaining and weed proof or just harvest some of the main crops and leave others unharvested but there for buffs?

[blazing shadow]

I might do the unharvested thing I was just thinking of that actually

I mostly have pumpkin and apple trees with retention right now

I'll have to squeeze in some weed crops too and leave those alone

[supple stone]

Sylvablade has a 4 apple, 4 beans or berries layout which is meant to be like that

Doesn't have pumpkins but is very akf friendly

[blazing shadow]

Beautiful thanks I'll use that

I just need to try to resist the urge to harvest the weed crops cause thouse are going to burn me out

[supple stone]

The blueberries can be replaced for beans if wanted btw, Sylva usually just harvests the apples and the blueberries/beans or others if needed for cooking only

Yeah, get you there haha

[blazing shadow]

Actually I think that layout can be tweaked it's got some interesting choices there that I feel could be improved

[supple stone]

Yeah, you could make everything completely weed proof if needed I imagine

[blazing shadow]

oh I went to adjust the build and on closer examination they already did that woops XD

[clear kindle]

yeah, it's a great afk layout. after all the crops are fully grown (just for aesthetics) i don't bother with any of the other crops but apples and beans

[silk fox]

Whats the best thing to plant to get my farming up quickly* so I can get bloobs and apples?

[supple stone]

Nothing is best - as long as you don't plant and destroy what you planted before harvesting it at least.
When you harvest, you get the same amount of exp per day per tile from all crops. So having more soil plots and ensuring you always have things planted and watered/weeded are the only ways to speed up levelling gardening

[strong creek]

Hiya. I've only been playing for 10 days, but I'm definitely obsessed. I've iterated on a garden design that focuses on building my cash ASAP but also covers all the bases for my cooking and fishing. I'd like to share and see if anyone has suggestions for making it better: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.QR.QBk.QBk.QW.QRBk.QBkCo-OCoTAAAAAA-Bk.QR.QBk.QRW.QBk.QCoBkBk.Q-W.QBk.QOR.QBk.QBk.QBk.QBk.QR.Q-AAAT.QR.QT.QBk.QBk.QBk.Q-OBk.QW.QBk.QBk.QR.QR.QBk.QBk.Q-Bk.QBk.QW.QR.QBk.QBk.QW.QR.QBk.Q-Bk.QBk.QBk.QBk.QW.QBk.QBk.QR.QBk.Q-W.QBk.QBk.QBk.QBk.QR.QBk.QR.QW.Q_L12Cr0.BkS12-RS-WS-AP2

• I only make Cream of Tomato Soup, and this layout grows everything I need from a garden. All you have to do is occasionally collect Spice Sprouts and buy Milk (cheap).
• All the apples get turned to jam which fills my glow worm farm and also makes my fertilizer. Excess jam is sold ($$).
• Most of the Bok Choy is turned to seeds to be sold ($$$), and the excess raw crop sells for the most of all raw crops ($$$).
• Excess Rice and Wheat also sell for great prices ($).
• The cotton is included because in the early game you need a lot of fabric for quests. It also saves on fertilizer for the tree.

Please correct me if I'm doing anything wrong, and otherwise I hope this helps people early in the game like me!

[raw crypt]

@neat vortex Alright, I'm stumped. I cannot figure out how to reduce the harvest boost fertilizer count on the layout or to make the adjustments you suggested. Spent a good amount of time fiddling and kept making the fertilizer counts go up for different things (hydration, weed).

[neat vortex]

Hm, didn't realize you were wanting to reduce the HB fertilizer on the layout; I didn't try for that one, and I'm not sure it's possible without (as you discovered) interfering with the 100% water/weed.

[neat vortex]

But, here are two variants I came up with, designed to streamline just a bit like you were talking about (I think - tell me if I missed the mark!)

1 of 2:

"Minimum Crop Types" version

used to illustrate maximum counts for each crop type (i.e. not splitting them up), to make it easier to focus on stocking up on specific crops at a time.

• peppers (outside bushes) can be blueberries or pumpkins (or beans if you are willing to put HB fert on them)
• beans (inside bushes) can only be beans or blueberries (if the outside bushes are also blueberries, those will need fertilizer)
• carrots (inside weeders) can turn into bok choy (cash crop) once you are stocked up
• rice (inside grains) can be any grain you need (rice, wheat, corn) - just swap the corn on the top right and bottom left to something else if you make the rice into corn, of course (or you will need to HB fertilize it)
• potatoes (inside waterers, a cash crop) can be napa cabbage if you need to stock up on it
  (I also swapped the harvest days to 180 and enabled replanting costs)
  https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HP.HSO.HC.HST.HPBt-SP.HTSCOBtRR-CrCO.HRPTAAA-OCBtAAAAAA-BtPTOC.HOTPBt-AAAAAABtCO-AAATPRO.HCCr-RRBtOCSTP.HS-BtPT.HSC.HO.HSP.HT.H_D180GtL75

(original layout by Astrea Moreno)

"Tidy Numbers" version

Gets each crop as close as possible to a multiple of its seed count, to make reseeding easier.

• same swaps advice as above applies, except you may need to shuffle things a little to preserve the weedblock companions if switching carrots to bok choy
  (i.e., the two corner bok choy will need to turn into onions, since they are currently next to carrots, and if those carrots become bok choy, then both plants will lose the weedblock buff)
  https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HP.HSO.HC.HST.HPBt-SP.HTSCOBtCrR-CrCBk.HRPTAAA-OCBtAAAAAA-BtCbTOBk.HOTCbBt-AAAAAABtCO-AAATPRBk.HCCr-RCrBtOCSTP.HS-BtPT.HSC.HO.HSP.HT.H_D180GtL75

(original layout by Astrea Moreno)

^ These are less suggestions and more possibilities for how to THINK about changing layouts

[raw crypt]

You're the best! I'll study these.

[mystic skiff]

What do you run nowadays? My apple trees are on the final harvest. I wanna try something new.

[supple stone]

Unless it's changed since I visited Duh's plot a week or so ago, he was running 6 apples, like this ^^
No idea how long he's had this one for mind you

[floral talon]

Il never run anything else its the ultymate i dont like gardening the plants should just grow themselves layout
I do like afk moneys and making layouts though

[supple stone]

😄

[delicate stirrup]

For multi-tile crops like apple trees do you need to apply fertiliser to every tile to get the effect?

[floral talon]

Yes

But on apples u can only apply 9 fert at a time (without glitching it)

[supple stone]

Well, not really. When you place down fertiliser, it takes 9 (for apples) from your inventory

So it does cover each tile visually, but you don't need to put it on every tile yourself

[floral talon]

In a nutshel practically yes but faster to apply

[supple stone]

And it will use 9 fert each ig day, so a stack of 99 will only last 11 days

[delicate stirrup]

Thanks, and when stacking multiple quality or harvest boost fertilisers on a tile does it use fert each in game day or only when the crop is harvested?

[supple stone]

Each growth tick at 6am ingame, but only if you were online in the past hour

[delicate stirrup]

ok tyty

[rustic tapir]

Guys do you recommend doing all pumpkin afk layout , then preserve them for passive income .

It’s slow crop to kick off for sure , but i think on the long run it’s going to be one of the best crops

[floral talon]

its literly hte worst crop in the game

but if u really want to farm pumpkins we can make a layout for it

[rustic tapir]

Even if i have 20 reserved jars ? I know it’s very slow to build up , but I’m thinking on the long run maybe it’s worth it

It sells more than apples jam

[floral talon]

but it sproduction is WAAYY!!! slwoer hten apples last itme i checked and apples are already really low vlaue per tile but more for self use and just being low effort

[rustic tapir]

What do you recommend as crop for afk passive income

[floral talon]

see this apples may be slightly more then 2x the amount of tiles but are almost 4 times more money

plus pumpkins gives a useless buff to plants around it well useless if ur higher level

[rustic tapir]

It is

[floral talon]

like i dont even have to do the math on this a rough estimation says pumpkins are more hten significantly worse

now if the output growthtime or iutem values of pumpkins arent correct in the garden planner anymore plz let us know

and il take back what i said about pumpkins if they got surprised buffed or osmething

[rustic tapir]

My estimation based only on the value of its jam

[floral talon]

it has extremely low output per growthtick per tile

[rustic tapir]

Yeah true

So I’m losing a lot by just grown it

[floral talon]

yup
though i do really love a plant that grows giant orange orbs tbh

[rustic tapir]

So what do you recommend for passive afk farm

Using seeders or jars

[floral talon]

ok first of what ot proces stuff into is a seperate thign when comparing produciton values fo layouts i assume ur crafters can always keep up and that u proces into most value

[rustic tapir]

I’m using 3 apples 2 beans 1 pumpkin set up now

[floral talon]

i got 3 possible layotus for ya

slurps fert like crazy u may run out of stuff to worm

these are my lazy afk money makers

[rustic tapir]

This one is really good , are you jamming apples or cooking with it

[floral talon]

reseeding aside and self use aside
bokchoi potatos seed
the rest jar
stuff u cant jar seed
cotton dont use it for anything but self use(wether as fabric or that single item that uses cotton)

^rule of thumb on what to do with what

[rustic tapir]

Thank you

[loud skiff]

Are we limited to 7 gardening plots? I feel like I've seen bigger gardens in screenshots. I wasn't able to buy an 8th plot from farmer villager.

[silk fox]

I came to ask the same thing, im wondering if we'll be able to get more in future and it would be 7 per housing plot?

[proven knoll]

does anyone have this table with the new elderwoods update?

Trying to learn what's best, if crop, seed or preserves, and not sure what to do with the batterfly beans or pumpkin!?

[supple stone]

@loud skiff @silk fox should have access to 9 soil plots.
This is the total number you can have across all your housing plots.
It is unlikely at present that we will get more as gardening is balanced to be a good source of passive income but not as good as other active sources of income (hunting, fishing, bug catching, mining)
If you add more soil plots, you'd probably have to adjust the sell price of all crops and seeds, plus all recipes that use them... It would be big
So, unlikely.
If you don't have 9 soil plots, might be worth making a support ticket if you're 100% sure

[silk fox]

I have 9, I just had woken up xD

[supple stone]

There are some tables, I can try and find one a bit later when back at my PC

[supple stone]

I know the feeling!

[floral talon]

Pumpkins only grow em for cooking bur processing jars would be best
I think now beans are best jarred but not sure

[fleet blaze]

how are we making the quality up fert now? I was getting it through my glowworm farm but since the update im only getting the harvest boost ):

[supple stone]

Beans are still best seeded.
But, you can get more value by preserving then worming. Thus ends up being far more processing though, and likely to be better off using that extra worm farm to process something cheap for more profit

[supple stone]

Have you changed what you put into your glow worm farm?
In general, sweet things give quality up, savoury give harvest boost (in both worm farm and glow worm farm)
The distinction of what is sweet and what is savoury is... Weird. Especially from EW foods

(Apple Jam is commonly used for quality up fertiliser, though imo by the time you have access to apple jam, probably don't need quality up buff as harvest boost is better)

[fleet blaze]

ahh that may be it. i was putting my regular apples in there with the surplus i had, ive ran out so now im just putting random extras

[supple stone]

Yeah, that'll be it then

[loud skiff]

Can I pick up an entire plot and move it with stuff going on it? Or do I need to clear the plants first?

[supple stone]

As long as there are no multi-tile crops growing across the border of soil plots, you can multi-select your soil plots and move them together.
Individually, you can move each soil plot as long as nothing is crossing its 4 borders too.

[neat vortex]

this is the most elegant explanation for how the growth ticks work and I am in mild awe