🌱│gardening

[livid ibex]

you can go to the inventory page and look in the bottom left. it will tell you your levels in each available skill

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

the idea o fweave in layouts is i picked a standard layout and show how u can put other plants in adn still get all the buffs

[bitter osprey]

Ah they DuhScape meant Gardening level, I thought it had an overall level per character or something. I'm barely level 8 in Gardening so since why I pladed my crops with only the most money worth crops that I have

[floral talon]

+50% produce if they are harvestbuffed hte whole time they were growing

at least u realised the importance of quality up

[bitter osprey]

Oh yeah the layout I make is purely for money and cotton for fabric

made*

I will change it over and over depending on my skills need

[floral talon]

i got a ton of layouts for beginners but its seems like oyu wanna make ur own to so i give u some hints
if you need moneys harvets buff always
low level quality up
water retain is also super nice but som epoeple like watering
weedblock dont bother unles u at least got water retain and u can get every buff without stupid amounts of fertiliser so hold of on that one till u can ditch quality up

so for low levels
100%harvestboost
100%water retain
as muhc quality up as u can get (though cotton doesnt need it as u just loom it anyways)

[bitter osprey]

Thank you for that

[bitter osprey]

Thank you, Yes I loom it too but I need lots of it for my furniture making. I actually like watering and have TONS of fertiliser that I want to use. So For fast money I check on yours and mine seems like it makes more money over a small run, as I mentioned it's only for about a week or so (real time) but I will keep yours for diversity for when I'm going to change it over next week as it has much better variety, thank you very much 😃

[floral talon]

looming is turning into fabric for furniture and stuff XD

[obtuse radish]

I have a question regarding the soil, did something change recently? I now have to till the soil every time my veggies are ready, where before it was only necessary every 2nd harvest.

[bitter osprey]

Yes putting the cotton in the loom for the fabric right? Did I use the wrong term?

[floral talon]

i mean i was like put hte cotton in loom and then you were lik no i have ot use it for furniture and iw as like but thast the thing i told you to do

[bitter osprey]

Ah I see, yes on my plan it doesn't show but I kept 3 cotton on boost harvest to have only 30 per harvest to use for the loom. The rest I seel it

sell* haha

[floral talon]

u need SOOO much cotton that once lv 25 u still need more though
thats when never selling cotton or cotton seeds or fabric

[bitter osprey]

It's ok, I'm in no rush, I don't like finishing games to fast. Thank you for letting me know. My goal is 10 in each category and then I will probably play another game to be fair. Because I am slowly starting to get bored of it. But am trying to keep it entertaining by setting myself goals.

I do love the community though so I will probably pop back in every now and then

[floral talon]

i mean in the beginning u cant do muhc cuz ur super short on cash but apparently there s atrick to it
epic fish cooking partys

[bitter osprey]

Hugh I didn't know, that sounds fun. Thank you for your help 🙏

[neat vortex]

Are you playing less often now? Soil tiles needs to be tilled again beginning 48 real-time hours after they were last tilled. If there is a plant growing on the tile, then it will wait for the plant to be harvested, then show up as tillable.

(Tilling your tiles can be tiring but until your tiles are tilled... etc. lol)

[mint sandal]

For me it was cake parties, funded enough rooms to have a mansion in my 1st month of playing

[floral talon]

But cake is focus food and epic fish partys is 3x more money if not even more

[mint sandal]

Maybe you use cakes as focus food but I always just sell mine. I never heard of epic fish parties before, but sounds like tou need epic fish, whish I barely ever catch

[floral talon]

no u just let someone else use theirs and u overprep something like rice or onion or corn

[floral talon]

yeay i kinda dont like cooking but eating preserves feeels to wastefull so cake is least cooking effort per effective focus point

one cake party lasts me months

[mint sandal]

I use chili oil dumplings as focus, but I'll start looking into those fish parties if you say it's worth more money than cakes

[floral talon]

cake is what starred 280
epic poke bowl starred is like 950 (and almost all of em will be starred)

i mean i did have to alter my garden layout for a little bit to stockpile onions rice and corn now XD

[neat vortex]

The main things that epic poke and sushi parties need folks to provide (if you want to be a main role and not just overprep) are dari cloves, heat root, and starred epic fish. If you don't like fishing, signing up for heat root or dari can be a great way to contribute meaningfully! (You can buy dari cloves with foraging medals once you have all the foraging furnishings you want to get.)

imo epic fish parties are great, but they do load a lot of the work and gold value contribution onto just a few people. Cakes parties are much more distributed, and the things they require are not difficult to get in bulk, so you can host more of them in a given period of time without running into supply scaling issues.

[mint sandal]

The 3 things I don't have

[neat vortex]

(And even with poke overprep... not everybody can grow 100 onions multiple times a week.)

though I guess you could always bring spice sprouts or garlic

Anyway... I don't think cake parties as a profit strategy are going anywhere any time soon

but it's nice that there is more of a variety of parties available now

[mint sandal]

I grow a decent amount of onions in my garden, I would just need to play more often than once in a while lol

[neat vortex]

Yes, unfortunately gardening IS heavily playtime-gated lol

[floral talon]

Sometimes poeple do muujin bahary and lucky braised fish partys to whats up with that isnt that inferior to cake

[neat vortex]

Lucky Braised Fish is imo not a great choice, though it can be kind of fun? It has a minimum of 2 minutes per round, so it takes forever and isn't actually worth that much to sell — in part because 7 of the ingredients don't contribute to the sell value, and even the fish is max 100g contribution. It's more of a "challenge mode" dish than a profit generator imo.

Muujin Bahari isn't too bad. It's slower than cakes by a little bit, but worth more, especially if you use brightshrooms.

[floral talon]

Is muujin better focus/ effort thrn cake or worse cuz cap at 1k

[neat vortex]

Some people like it better; the unstarred give more focus than cakes do, but still not over the maximum (unlike LBF, which gives more than max focus even unstarred lol)

Cooking Party Math spreadsheet has Muujin on the "Misc Recipes" tab, and LBF on the LNY Recipes tab. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CqV_SHjfqaYcGcfqg4aVp21tYZACUDNMHYkTo9Wyu-8/edit?gid=284010187#gid=284010187

Oh... I need to update all the projected XP amounts to the adjusted formula, whoops

[floral talon]

Gl on that

[neat vortex]

Figured out that anomaly

tbh I should probably re-do the LNY recipes to use the actual values so they can be calculated properly, now that we know what's going wrong with them

but I'm working on a focus food party math sheet instead

oops, this is the gardening channel, sorry folks!

[mint sandal]

Yeah, DuhScape and I went on a tangent lol, oops

[floral talon]

Knowing what food partys to do is relevant for knowing what to garddn and thud layouts n stuff

[mint sandal]

True

[neat vortex]

Oh, update: several days ago @molten cloud and I were talking about flowers as a potential income source, and some of the difficulties with that. I said, "Though I guess you could probably come up with some kind of system to get around that if you wanted." Well, guess what, the ingenious @faint briar DID come up with just such a system!

[floral talon]

Intersting but is that gardening or foraging or decor

[neat vortex]

can't forward things on desktop yet, pardon the screenshot

Summary:

• Plant a stack of seedlings on a floor builder's block
• After you collect the seeds, pick up the whole block by attaching it to a pavilion, then remove the pavilion; block will act as a divider in your bags between seedlings and grown flowers
• put down the block again, replant new seedlings on the block, repeat

[mint sandal]

I've seen that! But then after growing some I saw that grown flowers and the seeds are the exact same price for me so I'm confused

[molten cloud]

um... yeah i've been doing that format since flowers came out, nothing new 😅

[floral talon]

Smart instant removal thougb i thought the main challenge is in reducing effort of tightlybplanting em together but this is still progress

[molten cloud]

her's how I grow for selling

[floral talon]

Pwetty

[neat vortex]

Ohhh do you have the blocks in an arc? how pretty

[molten cloud]

it looks liek a rainbow almost :))

[neat vortex]

Yes, they don't change in value, the only difference is that you can keep them going (sell the flower, replant the seedling)

[molten cloud]

yeah, Tiny has a thing for placing them perfectly, I don;t I just toss them on the ground by spamming :))

[mint sandal]

Oooh, gotcha

[molten cloud]

This is how I keep all my seeds for when I run out and need to grow

[neat vortex]

Oh, so you aren't using the builder's blocks!

[molten cloud]

I move them to a different place to grow them out

no I don't, I mean you could if you want, but I think it would make it harded to remove the plants, it's harder to select them on a building block

[neat vortex]

Using a grown one as a label, handy!

[floral talon]

Oh kira the wise and flowery teach me ur ways of placing stuff effortlessly in such an ocd proof manner

[neat vortex]

The building block lets you pick up the whole set of 30, attach it to a pavilion, then, pick up the pavilion :D all 30 plants go right in your bag, with the block between the seedlings you just gathered and the grown flowers it picked up

[molten cloud]

ANNDD!!! these are all extra flowers that I allready grown out to place on plots, so I won't bother with growing them when I need

[molten cloud]

oh yeah! I forgot about that :))

[floral talon]

Such nice squares so happy

But how do you do that?

[neat vortex]

For me that makes it feasible since you can have the whole thousand flowers down at once

[floral talon]

Extra plots purpose is mostlyvto save storage lmao

[molten cloud]

and remove them all at once

[neat vortex]

YEP

well, almost, lol - still not enough bag space to do them all at once (1000 flowers is 34 bag slots)

[molten cloud]

you need to be carefull though to make sure your invetory has only the flowers for selling

[molten cloud]

it will overflow, you dont need bag space

[floral talon]

But how do you do that nice planting 😦

[molten cloud]

me?

[neat vortex]

When you place the seedlings they kind of "snap" into place on the grid - just have to put them down as close together as they will grow

[floral talon]

Yes u

[molten cloud]

i just spm them on the ground :))

let me show you :))

[floral talon]

On phone rn incase u wanna stream it cant watch stream rn

[neat vortex]

but yeah even spammed they still look good once they grow out XD

[molten cloud]

short video

like I said easy spam :))

it took me a few seconds to toss 30 flowers on the ground

[mint sandal]

The ferris squeak 🥺

[floral talon]

i am in awe of your talent

[outer sundial]

I do the same, I moved this little section to my new plot but they are going to a flower garden plot when im done @molten cloud

[minor ember]

I decided I need to put all my extra trees and flowers on a separate plot but I wanna make it look like a cook flower garden, kinda like this park where I live that has gorgeous flower gardens.

[outer sundial]

yea

I am going to keep some tree seeds on me and certain flower plants wont be planted cause I need them as seeds for a glitching project

[floral talon]

i got one plot to dump tree seeds down on to save storage space dont even bother to water em

might start doing that with flowers to at some point

[neat vortex]

I just wish tree seeds in the ground (along with trees) didn't count against your item count on all plots 😩 but alas they are a global item

[floral talon]

wait htey count for a plot they aint even on?

[zenith summit]

yes, decor limit and flower limit is for all plots you own, not per plot.

[floral talon]

sow we cannot dump 1k flowers on each plot to farm then

[neat vortex]

Flowers aren't global; but trees/tree seeds are

[floral talon]

😮 ic

seperate plot for trees only cuz fps then

[neat vortex]

Trees count against the 3,000 limit on ALL plots, no matter where they are planted.
Flowers don't count on all plots, but there is an individual 1,000 flower limit per plot and they also count toward the overall 3,000 item limit on the plot they're on. (So if you have 1k flowers planted, that leaves 2,000 item slots for other things including any global items you have)

[floral talon]

mh but is htere a limit to toal amount of trees
and if on one plot i got 3k items does that mean i cant place tree on a nother plot?

[neat vortex]

No, there is no specific tree limit

And no; but if you have 3k items on one plot, and you plant a tree on another plot (which you can do), then the first plot will be at 3,001 items lol

[floral talon]

would make swapping crafters very awkward

[neat vortex]

yyyyep

you'd have to go pick up the tree, then swap crafters, then re-place the tree, lol

[floral talon]

-thinks of planting 2k flowtrees stonks but then again by the time u get that many seeds u dont need money anymore

[neat vortex]

I mean, you COULD

[floral talon]

i gues it be dumb cuz only so muhc fits in an inventory

[neat vortex]

lol yeah even if you use overflow, can only chop a VERY maximum of 400 trees? mayyyybe?

depending whether you use the sapwood/heartwood (~8 wood per tree?) as the primary loot or the flow wood (~10 flow wood per tree, average)

[floral talon]

would create very lenghty partys

[neat vortex]

A friend was hosting daily (yikes) flow tree chops with 282 trees at one point

They took, mm, 30 minutes? Often less, closer to 20, depending how many people

but a 300 tree chop I went to took forever because even with overflow setup beforehand, people still had to pause to go sell off wood

For a 282 chop I usually started with 35 single stacks of flow wood in my bags, just for extra insurance in case of good luck with party buffs

[floral talon]

if u gotto pause its to long i guess

[neat vortex]

but generally it would end up being closer to 30-32 stacks of flow wood

[floral talon]

? $_$

[neat vortex]

lol yep... 11g per flow log. Plus however much for all the sapwood and heartwood.

unprocessed

[floral talon]

mh interesting amounts so not worthy to do purely for money think more forage xp self use of woods and coins as an extra

[neat vortex]

Yep

Friend is a level-grinder so he was doing it for furniture XP, but I went for the foraging medals XD 84(?) flow trees is a full level, with full focus bonus

[floral talon]

ul eat so muhc cake doing that not to mention the cake consumption for furniture xp

[neat vortex]

lol indeed, and he does eat a LOT of cakes

[floral talon]

for grinding levels i think ul eventually start eating preserves

[neat vortex]

I think those take too long ngl

30-90 minutes apiece? You'd blow through them so fast

[floral talon]

yeay but more so that u dont always have to attend cake partys for more food XD

man i wonder how everyhting xp grinders setup their crafters i gues its gonna get weighted heavily towards plank makers looms and lesser extend furnaces

[neat vortex]

they buy a LOT of materials

[floral talon]

wiht medals or?

[neat vortex]

No, with gold

[keen basin]

Guys I've been trying to put an efficient plot layout together for a while and I know there's a tool, but whatever I do it's just not working well enough.. It's either always dehydrated or takes forever to grow...
I want potatoes, cotton and apples as a main focus 😟

[neat vortex]

Is the cotton for the buff, for fabric, or for money? (or some combination)

[keen basin]

All of the above XD but mostly fabric and money

Potatoes and apples for jams/pickles

[neat vortex]

To eat, or to sell? :)

[keen basin]

It's always about money 😅

[neat vortex]

Okay, tell me about the "takes forever to grow"?

[keen basin]

I don't really know the actual time but relatively to my previous layout the one I have is quicker

[keen basin]

That one didn't have the water issue but potatoes and cotton took ~ twice the time to grow

[neat vortex]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HCo.HORP.HTP.HCoO-CrCo.HCCo.HRCo.HCrCoC-TWCo.HOCo.HP.HTWCo.H-RP.HTP.HCo.HORP.HT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OCo.HP.HTWCo.HOCo.HP.H-P.HCo.HORP.HTP.HCo.HO-CrCo.HCCo.HRCo.HCrCo.HC-TWCo.HOCo.HP.HTWCo.H
Does this look correct for your current layout?

Sorry for all the questions, but - what's your current gardening level?

If you have made edits, you can use the Save button to generate a link to the corrected version

[keen basin]

Naaah that's my screenshot I cropped to send here, with lvl 11 included

[neat vortex]

oH xd

Okay, so you do still need the buff...

[neat vortex]

btw, it's a good idea to always set the number of days to 180, because 30 cuts off the last harvest of some of your crops :)

(180 is the least common multiple of all of the crop grow times)

So, the actual harvest times have not changed

So, I'm not sure why your previous layout took a long time, unless it was a function of playtime (not logging enough hours) or of a problem with tending, or something else

Both potatoes and cotton take 5 growth ticks to reach harvest

This is a LOT of cotton, hm

But let me see if I can deploy some of your other crops to shuffle the buffs around a little better

Are you growing the onions and carrots for money or for cooking purposes?

Right now it looks like you mostly have your crops in columns with alternating plants

[keen basin]

Cooking and buff

But I'm not cooking too much

[keen basin]

Looks funny and makes it a bit easier to replant

[neat vortex]

True XD

[neat vortex]

Okay... this might be kind of a weird idea, but since you want to be growing a TON of cotton... what would you think of this one?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTOBkRCrOCoP-BkPTCoCoWTCBk-OBkPRCoTPCoO-TCoBkPWCBkCrT-AAAAAAAAA-TCrBkCWPBkCoT-OCoPTCoRPBkO-BkCTWCoCoTPBk-PCoOCrRBkOTP
It's a bullseye layout, with three concentric circles, each with a repeating pattern, around the apple tree in the middle. You can add fertilizer if you want.

MAX FERTILIZER version, lol:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HT.QO.QBk.QRCrO.HCoP-Bk.HP.HT.QCoCoWTCBk.Q-O.QBk.HP.HRCoT.HPCoO.H-T.HCoBkP.QWC.QBk.QCrT.Q-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.QCrBk.QC.QWP.QBkCoT.H-O.HCoPT.HCoRP.HBk.HO.Q-Bk.QCTWCoCoT.QP.HBk.H-PCoO.HCrRBk.QO.QT.QP.H
(except cotton, since if you want that for fabric, no point in boosting it)

Alternately, you could put QuUp on the apple tree, if you get more playtime and less idle time.

but tbh, unstarred apples are pretty precious once you get to endgame, so unless you're doing cake parties with your starred apples, no reason to rush it, imo

Oh, oops, I forgot to ping you, @keen basin

[floral talon]

@keen basin dont checkerboard pattern and dont alternate with different buff give potato a water retain buddy like tomato to get itbits own buff for example

[neat vortex]

Instead of ABABAB... you can do ABA-ABA, too, and then you have less redundancy

The bullseye actually mostly uses an A1 A2, B1 B2 pattern

(water water weed weed)
And then the grains/cotton circle is C C D1 D2 C C D3 D1 C C D2 D3...

cotton cotton grain grain

or, I guess, grain grain cotton cotton lol

[keen basin]

Thank yoou ❤ ill try doing that

[simple berry]

Anyone having issues removing crops? The removal function doesn't seem to be working with the hoe

[neat vortex]

Yep, someone in server chat was saying so, tested it myself and no dice on the crop removal...

[simple berry]

Thanks for the confirmation

[jovial oxide]

Sorry for this question but I need insight regarding this - so I've been planting regular seeds and have been using harvest booster fertilizer, and I make sure that it's not planted near or beside quality boosting crops, but I keep on getting star quality crops whenever it's time to harvest. Is this normal or bugged?

[floral talon]

ur lv increases the odds of starred now why wouldnt u want starry crops

[jovial oxide]

because I don't have enough starry foraged ginger or spice sprouts or garlic 😭

[floral talon]

click allow starred once u run ou t of the starry foragables it will auto use unstarry foragables but incase u wanna use a sprite sprout instead of lets say starred dariclove put ur starred spices in ur lockbox

and get used to it ul never get unstarred veggies past lv38 again XD and lv25 with starred seeds

[jovial oxide]

oh.. I see.. thanks... i was already planning on buying the regular crops from the farm....

[floral talon]

that would be so uneconomical not only cuz its more expensive but ul get less starred meals

[jovial oxide]

thank you so much for clarifying the harvest thing - so just to confirm if I got it right, just make sure to click on Use starred ingredients, and once that runs out, it will just automatically revert to regular ingredients while cooking - correct? (now this should be in the cooking-foraging section though lolz)

[floral talon]

yes but sometimes its really annoying on for example an any spice recipe and u only got like a rare/epic starred spice left it wont let u select the normal cheapest spice so you gotto lockbox them if u dont wanna use em

[jovial oxide]

im gonna skip on those until i've hoarded enough heat root and dari cloves

[floral talon]

lockboxed stuff cant be used incase u didnt know

[jovial oxide]

I did, but thank you for reminding me hahahaha

[neat vortex]

Yes, that's correct. And as DuhScape was explaining, if there's anything you don't want to use starred versions of (saving it for some other purpose or whatever), just put them in your lockbox.

[floral talon]

and yes there are plenty of cases to do that but usually just lcick star and dont think

[midnight owl]

I'm unable to hoe up a square of rice. Any reason why?

Actually I can't seem to hoe up anything.

Definitely targeting the right square (I get "G" for examine).

Right click just has me sitting there digging at it, doing nothing, indefinitely.

It worked yesterday before the patch.

[floral talon]

gues u just have to harvest it then

[midnight owl]

The hoe is supposed to remove the seed though, right?

[floral talon]

yes but that was glitched but if its only rice u gotto wait on who cares it grows in like 3 growth ticks

... why can i only sound mean and insensitive

[midnight owl]

It's not just rice though. I have tomatoes and other stuff that I misplanted.

I basically need to re-hoe my entire field and start over, and I can't do that at all.

So it's kind of an issue for me that the hoe isn't doing what it's meant to do.

[floral talon]

how badly did u screw up?

i might be able to grant u a nonsensical layout to sitll work with it

[midnight owl]

Pretty bad. Was trying to set up an AFK field to go to sleep with and I've got a big patch that's not weed protected. The whole thing is still water retained but it's gonna be stupid weeds.

[floral talon]

and u can weedblock it with fert or walk to zeki?

[midnight owl]

How long does fert last?

[floral talon]

... omg i really do got a problem with how i sound i can so easily be interpretated as super mean

[floral talon]

each consumed fert is 1 per growth tick so if u got rice u usually put 3 on it

[floral talon]

fert if soncuimed 1/growthtick/tilesize of the crop so like apple does 9 per growthtick for example while for rice 3 is enough

[midnight owl]

I misplanted rice and wheat in a few places and put tomatoes where I meant to put onions and carrots sometimes and.. it's just a cluster

It really doesn't matter too much, I guess

I was just wondering if the hoe was bugged out more than anything. not sure why it isn't working

[floral talon]

i have no idea what layout u run but i usally make mine so they are harder ot messup some i messed up without noticing even cuz they kept working XD

[floral talon]

update broke it somehow

[midnight owl]

Yeah I assumed so. Oh well, I just gotta deal with it.

[floral talon]

oof yeay i dont recommedn bullseye for this reason that and th fact i get dizzy planting it

[midnight owl]

Haha yeah I totally screwed it up

[floral talon]

cant blame u that one is hard to stick to plush the dizzyness form going in circles planting it 5 times

[midnight owl]

Well usually it's not an issue if I screw up since I can just hoe it but.. not anymore! lol

[floral talon]

even worse thats the old bullseye

[midnight owl]

Is there a better one to work with? I'm mostly just trying to level up farming right now. Just started yesterday.

[floral talon]

its still very costly
and do you have to have a square layout?

[midnight owl]

I can adjust to anything. I'm not sure what's "best" right now. I just started. I'm farming level 5.

[floral talon]

if ur low level
what is your level?
and low levels should really be using different layouts

[floral talon]

you should not be using that layout thats a lv ~25+ layout

reason is you need to pluck weeds for an achivement still and u have a crappy watering can so u need water retain and u need harvestboost for more coins and you need quality up for more coins to and using weedblcok on top of that is only possible by ferting everything

[midnight owl]

Yeah, I was doing https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP earlier for simple water retain and harvest boost. Should I stick with this one?

[floral talon]

BEGINNER LAYOUTS!!! see tread
DuhScape — 25/09/2024 23:19
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCbWCrPCoWCbSp-CrCbCrCoP.HCoSpCb.HSp-WCbCoCoPCrSpCbW-CrCbSpCoPWCrCbSp-SpCb.HSpCrPCrSpCb.HSp-SpCbCrWPCoSpCbCr-WCbSpCrPCoCoCbW-SpCb.HSpCoP.HCoCrCbCr-SpCbWCoPCrWCbCo
example with spicy peppers but uses fert

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR
more cotton

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrCbPRCoCbCrCo-PCrCoCoRPCoCrP-CoCrCb.HpCbRCoCbCrCo-CoCrCbCb.HpRCoCoCrCb-PCrCoCoRPPCrCo-CoCrPCbR.QCb.QCoCrP-CbCrCoPRCoCoCrCb-CoCrPCoRPPCrCo-CbCrCoCbRCoCoCrCb.Hp
more cotton nr2

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CbPCoCrRCrCo.HpCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb.Hp
Lane maximum star quality for only 2 water retain fert can swap water retain with harvest boost aswell if u prefer other fert

[midnight owl]

Are you converting the cotton into seeds to sell, or are you weaving it?

[floral talon]

you need quality up still as a buff which comes from cottong and you need TONS of cotton to make all the fabric for every quest villager gift and comping furniture anyways so now is the best time to grow cotton and like 2-4 harvest buffed quality upped spicypper plants

[midnight owl]

ok

[floral talon]

weaving everything self use
after lv25 u still need more but the buff becoems useless so u kinda dont wanna use it in any layouts anymore

potato bokchoi >seeds
everything else >jar
cotton >fabric>selfuse (ignore that u decrease its value by looming starred cotton)
stuff that can only be seeded surprise seeds

^this all ignores self use in cooking obviously
or if u need unloomed cotton or something

[midnight owl]

So is this still accurate or has it changed?

[floral talon]

was this helpfull hasuko?

[midnight owl]

Also I don't have jars yet so I've been saving everything

[floral talon]

thats ok u can seed things for now ur gonna be short on craftertime anyways so its not like ur gonna be bale to stockpile for it first

[midnight owl]

Except rice and potatoes into seeds

[floral talon]

if u need money for crafters licenses palia party epic fish partys for a bit but that requires farming for hte materials to partake in it

[floral talon]

its missing newer plants

[midnight owl]

But it's accurate for older stuffs till?

[floral talon]

yeya probs but i already typed down the shorthand of what to do with what and preserving is way less effort only bokchoi and potatoes ar ebetter off seeded if ur not short on crafter time

[midnight owl]

Alright, thank you

[floral talon]

take a pick of the layouts i send

[midnight owl]

I got them copied to a notepad!

[floral talon]

smart then i dont have to repeatedly send em to you at least XD
what i personally do is store em into my private discord server in a channel called palia notes XD with a seperate thread for beginner layouts

[midnight owl]

That's basically what I did yeah. XD

[floral talon]

mh you are clearly smarter then most

[midnight owl]

Just copied em all into my private server

[floral talon]

you even did some research before planting stuff at random 🥹 faith in humanity restored

[midnight owl]

All I could find were posts over a year old though so I'm not surprised it's "old data".

But at least it was a starting point.

[floral talon]

tbh i should just make a reddit account and post all the good layouts on there lol then you can search engine it

but so so much to do every single week for hte past 100weeks

[floral talon]

feel free if u need any help with other things

[narrow bison]

This is my first non-chaos gardening layout 🙂

I don't have blueberries yet so they are not included. Probably way more tomatoes than I will ever need and not enough wheat.

[ocean crystal]

Is it me, or is anyone else not able to remove a planted seed? Accidentally planted the wrong seed and cant seem to remove it with the hoe

[elfin lantern]

you’re not the only one

[ocean crystal]

Thank god, not sure how that managed to become a bug lol

[narrow bison]

How would you normally remove a planted seed? I was trying to today but wasn’t sure you’re supposed to be able to.

[ocean crystal]

All you have to do is equip the hoe and right click on top of the seed you would like to remove

But right now it doesnt seem to be working properly unfortunately

[keen basin]

So there is a way 😶‍🌫️

[raven hemlock]

yes, there is, but i think it is currently broken.

[keen basin]

It would have helped so much a month ago when I was trying to learn and was clicking too fast before the game switched the crop XD

[fleet perch]

I was redirected here. Someone also mentioned a person named Ren that could help :)

[manic meteor]

Hey @neat vortex are you still around?

[fleet perch]

I was also thinking that maybe growing apples/blueberries/pepper/tomatoes would be more efficient, since they have multiple harvests, so making seeds for them wouldn't interfere with replanting

I don't mind having to water/weed every time

[floral talon]

Bleh

Corax

[fleet perch]

My question is more of a how do I make farming more efficient without having too much downtime between replants, but thank you, that is also helpful :)

[floral talon]

Downtime between replants how do you mean

[narrow bison]

For me I just store a bunch of extra seeds

So that I can take my time making seeds without having to wait to replant

[floral talon]

Oh u dont have seeds for a replant so yes have enough seeds for a replant twice

[narrow bison]

If you don’t care about watering and weeding you probably want a layout that does quality and harvest amount boost

[floral talon]

Quality only lower levels though but good point

[fleet perch]

I see, makes sense.

So I guess I should first stock up on some seeds and then worry about planting and profit

[floral talon]

Dont sell seeds till u got some reserves yes

U can stockpile enuff for one seeding with thd multiharvests plants though since u can use their first and second harvest to make more seeds

Before u have to replant em

[floral talon]

Blegh

[bitter copper]

Do i pickle stars or sell star raw food, including apples/blueberries?!

currently i am pickling corn (both star and unstared for glow worm) - as well as cooked fishes. [pls advise]

also which dishes should be turned into for profit cooked dishes.

[warm dome]

everything made in the preserves will be more valuable than the ingredients used, i usually do a mix of apple, tomato, corn and potato pickles

[floral talon]

Stuff u use for things u wanna cook for profit cooking ask in cooking channel

[neat vortex]

lol oh boy, no pressure @manic meteor XD (I promise there are lots of knowledgeable people in addition to me; very often all I'm doing is passing along what others have taught me!)

[neat vortex]

Hello! Yes, you've got the general idea, it sounds like! In general*, processing your produce in some fashion before you sell it will increase its value, though some processes increase total value more, or produce more value added per unit of time.

*exception: cotton always loses value in a loom. (And outside of gardening, sapwood does not gain value in a sawmill.)

Gardening's real strength is its ability to combine with crafters (seed collectors, preserves jars, and sometimes also worm/glow worm farms) to be a source of passive income. Unlike your garden, which only completes the current growth tick ("day") while you are offline and then stops, crafters do not stop processing until they have run out of raw materials OR until the output bin fills up, so they basically print money in your sleep.

[neat vortex]

As DuhScape said, yes, one very good strategy is to always reserve some of your crops to turn into seeds, and to keep a "seed bank" around in case something happens and you don't end up getting everything through the seedmakers before it's time to harvest again. I keep around a full stack of each type of seed, and then additionally enough for at least one full replant of crops I'm actively growing. (TBH, a full stack of 30 is probably overkill — I could get away with enough for two replants — but I like the flexibility of being able to change my layout at will without having to wait to start new seeds.)

Multiple seed collectors can definitely help with making sure you're able to start seeding all your crops for replanting right away instead of having to babysit the process sequentially through only one machine. I run a layout with six different crops, and two of my seed collectors are designated for processing seeds to replant (though I put for-profit stuff in them when they are done with that task).

For example, every time I harvest my tomatoes or apples, I put in one set of each of them to make seeds in each of my two dedicated seed collectors, and then also put in my replanting onions (in one) and replanting rice/corn/wheat (whatever I'm growing at the time) on top of that, so they form a queue — when the tomato seed set is done in the first seed collector, the onions start being processed, and when the apple seed is done, the second seed collector starts on the rice. My bok choy and potatoes always each go in their own sets of seed collectors, because I turn those into seeds for profit.

As with everything, a lot of the game is finding a system that works for you, so just because I do it this way doesn't mean you have to! But, some things to think about in case you find them helpful.

[neat vortex]

As for which crops will be most efficient for you, that's going to be pretty individual based on your playtime-to-idle-time ratio, how often you're willing to come back and check on your garden, what you like to cook, etc.

It's true that longer-running, multi-harvest crops will generally require less "churning" as seeds than the one-and-done crops. If you just don't want to run multiple machines, or want to have those crafter slots available for other purposes, then that could be one possible strategy, for sure. Anything that reduces the number of different crops you're running will reduce the number of seedmakers you need in order to keep up without a bunch of manually switching things out, at least to some extent (depend on the specifics of your playstyle).

As for HOW to process your crops for profit... that's going to depend on what you're growing and how much time you spend online/actively gardening vs. idle.

IN GENERAL, the rule of thumb is as DuhScape said: If you can put it in a preserves jar, except potatoes and bok choy, then pickle/jam it. Otherwise turn it into seeds.

Potatoes and bok choy take a looong time to process as seeds so, it depends on your rate of production vs. your amount of idle time. For most people, who will have higher idle time compared to playtime, then it's better to focus on total value added and maximizing uptime. In which case, bok choy and potatoes are both worth more as seeds, so as long as you're able to come back about once every 19 hours to empty the seed output bins, seeds are better.

BUT if you are finding that you are making more potatoes or especially bok choy (that 3-day grow time 😂 ) than you can process, even with as many seed makers as you can place, THEN you might wanna maybe consider making some kimchi/pickled potatoes with some or all of it instead. You will lose some per-unit money, but it's better than the produce sitting around clogging up your storage and/or being sold unprocessed.

(Me personally, I clock a very silly amount of playtime and tend to be on top of my garden when I'm doing okay - lol I've replanted my tomatoes twice in one 24-hour period on multiple occasions - so I run a whole SIX seed collectors just for bok choy, and four for potatoes.)

Here's a handy chart by u/HollowofHaze breaking down a comparison between processing methods, taking processing time into account: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fkc0dp2quf0hc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D6651%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D53781b753ad1aaa9c21ec4283168fc7bc5a1223b

[neat vortex]

Definitely process your starred crops. :) It can look like it's worth less, but it isn't! It's just because the recipe on the machine is showing you the unstarred version of the output. In general, anything in the game that is star quality is worth +50% more than the base value.

squints oh dear, I rambled a lot... I woke up in the middle of when I am usually sleeping, so perhaps I was even more wordy than usual 😅

[neat vortex]

As for cooking for profit, see recent discussion here: #🍳│cooking-foraging message
TL;DR If you are cooking SOLO, in general, cooking with your produce will not increase its value as much as processing it will, especially once you start getting into only having starred crops available.

Group cooking is another question entirely, though. Some common crops for cooking parties for gold include:

• onions (for poke overprep and muujin Bahari)
• tomatoes (also an okay choice for poke OP if you don't struggle with the cooking UI)
• rice (for-profit sashimi and sushi)
• corn (for-profit fish tacos or muujin Bahari)
• apples, blueberries (cake parties — blueberries usually only if you plan to host)
• wheat, spicy peppers (muujin Bahari)

I'm personally quite biased against vamp crab pot pie parties, as I feel the yield is not very impressive considering all the work involved to hunt the vamp crabs and grow all the produce, but that will depend on your own reckoning.

Other crops are used in focus food parties — especially right now, spicy peppers are likely to be in some demand for a bit since the Luna New Year recipes are out of commission due to a bug new to 0.186 that disables using bok choy, napa cabbage, green onion, and ginger 😬

Wheat, rice, and onion are also perennial for popular focus foods. Carrots get used a little bit, mainly as the easy-to-chop/cheap option for Any Vegetable, but tomatoes work just as well if you don't mind fighting the UI a little.

Cotton is used to make fabric for furniture or to sell as seeds. Potatoes and bok choy for me are pure cash crops.

(For me personally, I tend to be the person who provides all the foraged ingredients for cooking parties 😂 )

[bitter copper]

OMG we love REN. <.< hi.

Let me bookmark this post.
Thank you ! ❤️ !!!

Were you the guy with 8 mining ore compasses yesterday <.< flaring everything?

I was the one that wanted to donate you flares and ore compasses, (Ruby) youre the goat. 🙂

[neat vortex]

LOL nope not me! I actually don't think I've ever used an ore compass, come to think of it 🤔

[floral talon]

Ren do uou have a profit fishing spreadsheet or shpuld i make one

[neat vortex]

Profit fishing... like, where to fish commonly-used-for-profit fish? Or what were you thinking of doing with it?

[neat vortex]

PSA: Issue with crop removal (0.186)

Right-clicking / pressing X with the hoe equipped to destroy planted crops does NOT currently work. Please plant carefully!

If you have a "stuck" long-growing crop and would like assistance with planting around it until it grows out, folks in this channel will be happy to help with temporary layouts. :)

[floral talon]

Per biome/time catch chance table value and average value per catch and stuff

[neat vortex]

Y'know, veeery early on I did one of those for the home pond, because that's where I did most of my fishing (at least, a simple version of that concept) but no, I don't currently have one

Wouldn't be too hard to work out, though. Could include experience, too! scheming

The difficulty is getting the per-time-period catch rates on everything, because I don't know if I have a resource for that...

I guess I could see if I can find Sugar Sensitivity's data on Reddit and extrapolate from there

[floral talon]

I can make an attempt then dw

[neat vortex]

Post it in #🐟│fishing-mining when you're done XD or maybe check there first to see if anybody's made one already

[fleet perch]

Thank you Ren, that was a very elaborate explanation about farming ♥️

[neat vortex]

I hope it was helpful! Brevity is not my strong suit 😅

[manic meteor]

I've been in this server for quite some time now and I think you do a fantastic job helping out in here, and it's much appreciated

[wheat tundra]

Hello, I was hoping someone can help me with this. Is it possible to unearth or unplant a seed or seedlings after they're planted. I planted my apple tree between two plots and now I'm unable to move either plot or both of them together.

[neat vortex]

It is supposed to be possible (has been previously, since they added the ability some time ago) but it is not working as of yesterday's patch

[wheat tundra]

The plot moving or unearthing seedlings?

[clear kindle]

unearthing seedlings

you've always been able to move the plots, so long as crops don't overlap, but they have to be untilled in order to be picked up for storage

[neat vortex]

I wonder if you can group select the dang things

Probably not since not a placeable surface...

[wheat tundra]

Ohh should I report it or something? That'd be very very useful

[neat vortex]

It couldn't hurt to send it in!

[clear kindle]

don't mind me, i picked everything up from my plot and needed to replant cotton to put into the loom, and now need to replant my garden to become an apple farmer again. just putting this here for easy finding

[wheat tundra]

What is this wonderful thing?

[clear kindle]

it's a 100% water/weed/harvest boost (needs fertilizer to have that on the ones that have the mark) that just harvests apples (at least for me) it's literally plant it and forget it for those who prefer to do things off the plot like hunting, fishing or other things

and yes, i only harvest and replant the apples to put into the preserve jars. everything else stays in the ground

[floral talon]

and unferted 😦

sylva keeps promoting my(though apparently ren invented it around hte same time aswell but slightly different) layout XD

[neat vortex]

My version basically just uses tomatoes and onions instead of napa and carrots - it just depends on your harvest frequencies and/or what you're using the crops for :)

[neat vortex]

Sylvablade is using DuhScape's version (which is intended to be harvested at even 3-day intervals), whereas mine is based on harvest-as-you-go, but basic concept is the same:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HBkWTP.HTWBkO-AAAAAAAAA-OBkW.HTP.HTWBkO-AAAAAAAAA-PBkWTO.HTWBkP-AAAAAAAAA-PBkWTO.HTW.HBkP-AAAAAAAAA-OTWBkP.HBkWTO.H

[floral talon]

yeay and urs was slightly rotated or mirrored compared to mine or something XD

[neat vortex]

Something like that, yeah, lol

And you can always mix and match the single-tile crops with their same-buff companions, as long as they all have "a buddy, not a twin"

[floral talon]

yeay thats basically the same layout in my opnion unles u chose em for technical reasons

[neat vortex]

yepyep

ngl I tend to use onion/bok choy and wheat in my sample layouts purely for visual reasons.... I'm a bit red/green colorblind (see things as less green/more brown) so I tend to rely on contrast and outlines more

[clear kindle]

i can't help it, these designs are great for my play style

[floral talon]

i bsn porplr from using tomatoe and apples in the same layouts for similar reasons XD i cant tell em apart

[neat vortex]

Oh, I forget if I mentioned here, but I learned something FUNNY the other day

https://palia.com/news/patch-169

[floral talon]

ty devs

[neat vortex]

actual produce:

They didn't put the Visually Distinct™️ leaf on the apple-the-actual-fruit icon 😭 just the seed bag....

[floral talon]

maybe later

[neat vortex]

result:

[neat vortex]

Do you also struggle with heartwood logs vs flow wood logs?

[floral talon]

no its just apple and tomato are almos tthe same color and shape to me

i would have to focus alot to tell em apart way to muhc

[neat vortex]

I seriously can't tell the logs apart unless I get, like, six inches from my monitor x_X

pain in the neck

[floral talon]

mh i gues that is only a problem with colorblindness cuz i dont have it and they are super different only same lv of brightness i guess purple vs brown is huge

[neat vortex]

Yeah...

Same outline, same general value (darkness/lightness), only difference is relative amounts of blue and red

[floral talon]

my problem is i am always hsort of sapwood but got a thousand heartwood thats useless

[neat vortex]

They DID finally add rarities to the tooltips in actual text form!

[floral talon]

yeay now i dont have to guess which color means what

[crystal berry]

How do some players have more than 4 soil plots? Badruu won’t sell me any more than what I have..

[manic meteor]

You purchase them from his Guild Shop when speaking with him
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Soil

[green pewter]

niiice

[clear kindle]

you don't need to put down so much fertilizers, as the blueberries, rice and corn will give that buff to the crops next to them,

[floral talon]

thats not 22k per growthtick though we compare by growth ticks

[quasi jackal]

you wanna provide some explanation on growth ticks? the palia garden planner is what she was using and its pretty spot on maybe off by 2k gold? atleast when we use it is lol @tame kernel

[floral talon]

palian day is one growthtick but it only counts when ur online and one time after u lkogged of at 6am ingametime

[gilded crypt]

Are there any layouts which use every type of produce?

[neat vortex]

Yes, definitely! Plus, any layout you like that has spots for at least one apple tree, 1 blueberry or pepper bush, and some of each buff type from the single-tile crops (water, weed, harvest boost) can be swapped around pretty easily to accommodate whatever you want to grow at the moment. (Cotton can be swapped in instead of the harvest boosters, though obviously it will give quality up to its neighbors, not harvest boot)

What would you like your garden to do for you?

[gilded crypt]

I don't have any apple seeds yet, but I'd like to at least grow one of every produce just in case Ill need it.

And try to focus a little more on products that are used most often like cotton.

I'm just not too good at management, and also don't know which produce are often used the most.

So I was hoping maybe someone had their own layout which includes all that they could recommend based on their own uses

Right now I'm using this person's layout but there's no weed prevention here

[neat vortex]

Thank you for explaining! We can definitely help. More questions, haha: what level gardening are you, do you have peppers or blueberries yet, and do you also want your garden to make you money after you grow some of all of the things to keep on hand?

[gilded crypt]

I'm currently a little half way over level 7, so apples are the only things I don't have yet

money would definitely be helpful, I was thinking of selling the non-starred vegetables I get

[gilded crypt]

I did see a chart in this disc about the best way to sell each produce, like preserving and stuff, but I'll figure that out once I have an abundance of crops

[nimble lantern]

Just recently realized that plants don't grow while offline. If that's the case why are water retaining setups so popular if they are not going to grow when not watching them anyway?

[floral talon]

they grow every 600 ingametime that you are online and one time after u have been online

[neat vortex]

Mostly so you don't have to water EVERY hour while online and can go do other things without worrying so much about being home before 6am every time (or otherwise watching the clock). You lose less progress (especially if you do weedblock too) and it's less labor overall.

There are time management strategies that can buy you more time away from your garden, but that requires time management :p

[nimble lantern]

That's fair. Our cycle is usually to warp home and handle the crops after chopping the FT grove each morning so it works out but I can understand not wanting to have to do that.

[neat vortex]

Yepyep, and you just generally run less risk of losing out on growth ticks in case of mishap

[floral talon]

thing about gardening its all completely balanced however optimising to ur playstyle is a thing

[nimble lantern]

I'm noticing that as well. Just about whatever you do as long as you have reasonable bonuses it spits out like 2000-2400ish a day.

[neat vortex]

(I didn't forget about you - I just got pulled away and now have to go to bed so I can't dig up links for you right this minute - will come back tomorrow and share what I can, but in the meantime I'm sure there are other folks with suggestions, and a search in this channel and the subreddit for stuff like "all crops layout" may be fruitful)

[gilded crypt]

That's totally okayy, I appreciate any help given to me. It's no rush

[floral talon]

no 4k is the norm 2000-2400 is when u dont put ur produce into crafters

[nimble lantern]

I just meant the crops themselves. I consider the crafters their own thing for the most part since I don't have enough of them to even process like 1/10th of the crops I produce.

Eventually I am sure maybe I will but for now they are just a nice bonus

[floral talon]

oh but ul have enough eventually but yes if ur new and lower lv u will struggle with that

tip put crafters ur not using in ur storage so you can have more jarmakers and seedcollectors

[upper matrix]

🇫🇷 : où est ce qu’on peut trouver des champilux s’il vous plaît ?

[neat vortex]

("brightshroom" in English)
sorry, no page in FR yet :(
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Brightshroom#How_to_Obtain

[neat vortex]

imo crafter licenses are THE best thing you can buy in early game (tied with soil plots and inventory/storage upgrades, closely followed by axe and pick upgrades up to Fine), because they are the only item that lets you make money passively ("print money in your sleep") - which directly enables you to earn more money faster to buy everything else you need to get.

because they are a multiplier on your active work

Group cooking parties are a wildly more powerful multiplier for some items, but requires active work and a time commitment, and also being comfortable with both cooking and group play (which I initially very much was not lol)

[upper matrix]

Thanks !

[fickle bough]

does anyone haver any high profit farm layouts

[waxen cove]

whats the quickest way to lvl up gardening?

[neat vortex]

Harvest everything, be consistent with replanting on time, and be online at least once every 2 hours as much as you can to get your growth ticks in.

Plants with longer grow periods + full water retain and weedblock buffs can allow you to spend more time away from your garden/lose fewer growth ticks to late replanting, if you struggle with that, but all plants give the same XP per tile per day, so plant what you want/need.

[waxen cove]

oh wow thats the perfect response thank you so much <33333333

[floral talon]

Everything is balanced best layout depends alot on the player and how tryhard u wanna be
But i can make a perfect u layout

[neat vortex]

OH YEAH and keep your focus up/make sure your focus bonus is fully upgraded!
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Focus#Focus_Bonus

[keen basin]

fixing planting mistakes works again, anyone noticed? or am i late again? D

[floral talon]

idk inever misplant anything that upsides of having special talents ...

[keen basin]

i do that too often.. i tend to click to plant before the game changes the active slot

[floral talon]

it helps to be relaxed about planting it
or have some kind of paranoia ocd / perfectionism
your choice of which one of these to use XD

[keen basin]

i started playing the game so it can help me relax XD that takes time tho

[floral talon]

ok so the goal of this game is to minmax cozyness
minimum any actual effort
maximum chill

[midnight owl]

@floral talon hey there, I hit level 10 and switched over to your https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo layout. What should I be looking at transitioning into once I have multiple blueberries and apples?

Currently have 1 apple and blueberry planted, 2 extra BB seeds and 1 extra apple seed.

I saw an X shaped apple tree layout but not sure if that's ideal.

[floral talon]

u keep doing layouts with tons of cotton and quality up till ur close or past lv25 at that lv u stop needing quality up buff
u may want to try a layout with some spicy peppers that get buffed with harvy and quality up so u got a nice stash of pepers for ur needs

[midnight owl]

Okay, so kinda keep with that for now

[floral talon]

i mean if u get broed of it i send an entire list of low level layouts in this channel every now and then

[midnight owl]

What happens at 25 that you stop needing the quality buff?

[floral talon]

at lv25 star seeds only give star produce but it gradually increases each level

[midnight owl]

Ah, nice

[floral talon]

and yeay more quality(starred) produce is better for money and cooking

[midnight owl]

Obviously 🙂

[floral talon]

youd be surprised how many poeple need an explanation for that ... very repeatedly and then still dont believe us

[midnight owl]

That's basic knowledge from any farming game I thought lol

[floral talon]

yeay i mean why is it so hard to get that the same item but betterr tier is better like wut

but anythign else i can do for you hasuko?

[midnight owl]

Nope! Just wondering if I should keep doing what I'm doing (yes)

[floral talon]

u can vary abit but just remember watering is hard without exquisite watering can
harvest boost +50% harvvested stuff yey
quality up increases odds of getting ur produce to be +50% better

[midnight owl]

Oh I guess one more thing - I've been turning starred cotton into seeds to sell, and converting normal cotton into fabric (after getting enough seeding) for jars and quests/villager needs, I assume that's what I should be doing?

[floral talon]

more or less in reality u should make seeds for reseed and use everything that u dont need for seed stockpile to make fabric cuz you just need so much fabric
it reduces the value of starred cotton if u were to sell it but u make fabric so you dont have to buy it
import substitution
and after ur done with everything needing fabric u realise u need more fabric and then u can finally ditch cotton XD

cottons buff is useless at that point though as ur to high lv to benefit the quality up

[midnight owl]

Yeah, okay, so just keep on keeping on. ty 🙂

[floral talon]

if u get bored of the layout or need something specific feel free to ask i got an entire library of minmaxed layouts XD

[midnight owl]

I'm just using the one I linked atm, it seems to be doing fine

[floral talon]

its the most flexible one

[midnight owl]

Starred cabbages, corns, and peppers into the jars, non stars for reseeds. Star cotton, wheat, and potatoes into seed for sell, and non-stars for reseed and/or cooking/processing.

I use the potatoes for veggie dishes and wheat for cooking.

[floral talon]

NONO do not jar ur peppers those are cooking only once u got enough for that just dont plant that (i mean u could but its not best strat some people like farming it thats ok)

in the entire game i literly only planted 4 peppers XD and i still got to many of them left

[midnight owl]

Oh okay

I only jarred like 2 so far so we should be fine

[floral talon]

som epoeple keep using peppers continously but i find that cake partys are the most effective way to get focus food

[neat vortex]

Would you be willing to collect these into a folder or something that could be one-linked?

[floral talon]

Eliot Reinald (Ren) is typing ...

[neat vortex]

Or, alternatively, may I do that for you (with diagrams) etc

[neat vortex]

I agree with this, because peppers, while very prolific, don't actually produce that much value per tile per growth tick, even jarred, compared to other things. At the same time, they're one of the more expensive ingredients, so in my personal opinion, it's silly to cook with them willy-nilly just 'cause you have them.

However, a lot of the more cost- and time-effective focus foods are currently out of the running due to the bug with LNY ingredient sub-recipes being AWOL, and the next bests? Mostly use peppers. So, folks are gonna need them, and you may as well grow them (as DuhScape said) while you still benefit from the quality boost buff.

That said, IF you already have a mass excess of peppers — more than you are willing to cook with or store — THEN jar your starred peppers.

(But do keep as many as you can of your unstarred peppers... you can't get those later for love or money, only from random rummage pile drops, and "oopses" happen all the time when cooking.)

[sonic skiff]

Question for y'all. If my priorities are, in this order:

1. 100% water retain
2. Apple trees & blueberries
3. Cotton (and kinda rice)
4. Everything else

Does this layout seem reasonable?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTRTAARAA-CoTPARBACB-CoOTBRPBCoT-CoAATCCoPRT-ATPCRTPCoA-COPCoRTAAC-CoBBTBBPCoC-TCARCoAPTC-AARAATRTP

[limpid trench]

Can someone suggest a plot layout that maximizes harvest and quality boost? I do not mind clearing up weeds and watering everytime.

[neat vortex]

What other crops do you want to grow? Or just grains and cotton?

[limpid trench]

I want variety of everything for cooking.

[neat vortex]

For whatever my opinion is worth, that seems like it's fitting your criteria pretty nicely, if you ask me! If there's any way you could sneak weed prevention onto that second blueberry bush, that's the only thing that's really sticking out to me. Maybe also on more of the rice and cotton, so it's more likely to keep growing if you end up missing a weed, since that's what you're really going for?

(however, I admittedly tend to get a little boggled by layouts that place apples across multiple plots 😅 personal bias! so perhaps there is something I'm missing that another person will catch)

Since you'll need to tend your garden hourly to pull weeds, no reason not to use tomatoes. As for your weeders, I might diversify toward bok choy (for gold) and a few more onions (for cooking), unless you specifically use carrots very frequently. Carrots aren't good money and also are used for fewer cooking recipes, though they are a good easy option for Any Vegetable recipes.

The bush+tree symmetry is very pleasing, and as long as you can hold that pattern in your head well enough to get it into the ground and stick with it, you're probably in good shape.

How do you feel about the layout?

[sonic skiff]

Wow, thank you for the input! I appreciate that.

For the weeders, tbh those are mostly placeholders. But honestly that's because I didn't realize growth stops when there's weeds!
I couldn't get the weed prevention on that one without leaving the corner waterer unwatered itself, unfortunately.

Honestly, I'm mixed on it. So far I've been putting one apple tree in the middle of my plot, and arranging everything else around it. But I was hoping to squeeze two in, while still getting blueberries and cotton, plus rice.

Maybe I'll try rearranging a bit.

[neat vortex]

I'm just noodling, and this probably uses an annoying amount of fertilizer, but how's this for a jumping-off point? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HOCo.HPT.HPCoCoCr-C.HCb.HTSpSpCo.HSpSpC.H-R.HCoT.HPO.HP.QTCoR-AAAAAAAAA-WCoTP.QBk.HP.QTCoW-AAAAAAAAA-RCoTP.QO.HPT.HCoR.H-C.HBBCo.HBBTCb.HC.H-CrCoCoPT.HPCo.HOCr.H

You'd have to very diligent about clearing weeds on your apple trees (unless you use WeedBlock fert), unfortunately, but the bushes get all 4 buffs.

[neat vortex]

stats with zero fertilizer:

You could probably chuck in even more cotton and grains in place of your least-favorite water-retain plants, or perhaps chuck some more pepper plants in there... hm.

[sonic skiff]

So, I thought about what you pointed out, and did some rearranging. I think I like this a lot better, and it feels less complicated, too. (And this time I diversified the "filler" crops to actually match how I might do it)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTCTAACoAA-CoTPABBABB-RTCoOCbRCoTBk-OAATPCoCoAA-ACoORTPAOCo-RCbCoCrTBkRCbCo-BkAATAAPTC-ABBABBCoTP-OTRCoCbBkRTCo

[peak zodiac]

hey guys, i visited a plot yesterday and the person had more than 9 gardening slots ... how is that possible i thought the limit was clearly 9 lol

[neat vortex]

Having more than 9 soil plots is... definitely not possible? At least not without something going VERY weird (unintentional glitch, or Support messing up - which has happened) or deliberately using cheats that can duplicate unique/limited items.

I've also seen a few houses where the owner had their soil plots split up or arranged in a way that made them look more abundant than they were, but they really did only have 9.

[neat vortex]

Actually, lol, @limpid trench — maybe this one could work for you?

[sonic skiff]

You'd want to diversify some of it a bit more - I'm leaning pretty hard into the rice as my harvest booster, for example. And if you want to swap out one of the blueberries for a pepper, you'd need to adjust everything around it if you want to take advantage of the different bonus

Here, wait, I adjusted it as stated above. @limpid trench this one would probably be better for your needs
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTCTAACoAA-CoTPABBABB-CrTCoOCbWCoTBk-OAATPCoCrAA-ACoORTPAOCo-RCbCoCrTBkRCbCo-BkAATAAPTC-ASpSpASpSpWTP-WTBkCoCbCrWTCo

And if you don't necessarily care about full water coverage, you could swap out some of the tomatoes and such. I just like not having to water, so I make that my top priority

[neat vortex]

It makes a big difference in your garden's productivity, I find, if you don't have to stay on top of it all manually

[sonic skiff]

For sure, it does.

[limpid trench]

That looks great, I will use that. Thank you!

[drifting violet]

Hello you beautiful, wonderful people Would someone happen to have an apple-tree-less plot layout for maximising gardening EXP (with minimal upkeep and profit as bonus, but not necessity)? I've been wanting to get up to Gardening 10 but growing only onions, tomatoes, potatoes, and carrots has been a really slooooooow process for that 🤣

(I only specifically request no apple trees because I don't have them unlocked yet. ;-; I do have blueberry bushes though!)

[south patio]

What should I put in preserves jar besides apple and blueberries

I’m kinda just putting whatever in

[floral talon]

Yes

[floral talon]

U need low level layputs

[oak cedar]

Depends on the results you want to achieve. Please see Arenvanya's gardening math guide for details c: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YV_LiHp48shNifWakdZtOI9j6_IqQI0A7dRdr28lHNY/edit?gid=1340449153#gid=1340449153

[neat vortex]

In finer detail, this depends on the crops you are growing, your playtime to idle time ratio, and how many crafter slots you have available to dedicate to gardening stuff. But as a blanket statement, the usual algorithm for most people will be:

• AFTER making sure you have enough seeds made for two replants (plus backups if desired)
• AND as many crops reserved for cooking/crafting as you want to keep on hand...

THEN with your excess crops:

• bok choy and potatoes as seeds to sell,
• everything else that can be jarred in jars (to sell; I also feed pickled onions to a worm farm for extra fertilizer, and pickled corn/napa kimchi to glow worms sometimes if I haven't been hunting)
• everything remaining as seeds to sell

If you run into problems with this algorithm (usually too slow, for people with very high playtime and high ratios of bok choy and/or potatoes and/or rice), then you may need to either adjust which machines you are using for which crop - or adjust your crop layout XD

[south patio]

Thank you for this 💖💖

[drifting violet]

I'll search the post history then, thank you! 💕

[floral talon]

@drifting violet

[drifting violet]

Oh, thank you! You didn't have to go through all that trouble for me 🤭 it's much appreciated!

[neat vortex]

I've looked through this spreadsheet before (and had a conversation or two with Arenvanya about it) and it's FASCINATING from a theorycrafting perspective — it addresses some of the hidden assumptions lurking in the Garden Planner calculator, which assumes instant processing time, as do a lot of other "most profitable layout!" kind of claims around bok choy in particular.

But at the same time - and maybe I'm reading it wrong? - that spreadsheet's conclusions appear to be tailored to a different, maybe equally unrealistic set of assumptions, like growth time = real time (i.e., you are logged in 24 hours a day) and perfect tending/harvesting/reharvesting practices (i.e., zero "lost" growth ticks), and 100% perfect crafter uptime (no stalls due to clogged output and no delay on refilling them).

Under those circumstances, you'll definitely want to eke out as much value added per hour as you can, because that's the way to maximize your revenue per hour, and if you assume 100% uptime, 24/7, then that will maximize revenue (from crafters) overall.

[neat vortex]

As I reckon it, though, most players simply don't log enough growth ticks per day or even per week to run into those limitations: they play a handful of hours per day, sometimes only a few hours per week. Under those circumstances, it makes more sense to me for those players (smaller playtime, larger idle time) to instead focus on a combination of factors:

(0) growing what you NEED to grow for other purposes (group cooking for profit, focus food cooking, furniture crafting) first, and then address solo money-making with the rest of your crop/layout choices

(a) when choosing crops/layouts, maximizing revenue per tile per growth tick (to take as much advantage as you can of whatever amount of work you can put into your garden in the playtime you have) — which usually means harvest boost (and/or quality boost depending on your level and what you need your crops for)

(b) for processing, emphasizing value added per crop to, again, get the most out of the produce you are able to grow

(c) where value-added figures are similar for two processing methods (like corn, napa cabbage), maximizing crafter uptime (i.e., avoiding stalls) to give you more productive hours in the intervals between the times when you can check your crafters - so your crafters spend more time making you money and actually processing your crops.

(d) with the remainder of your crafter slots, focus on balancing uptime with value added per hour (mostly applies to worm/glow worm farms, but also sometimes things like wood) - after you have processed the materials you need for crafting, etc., that is

And that's what I base my algorithm above and general advice on, for most players. But really, it's all very individual and it's better to ask questions and have a conversation about it to address specific snags (or better yet, teach people about the system so they can make their own adjustments as their situation changes!)

^ and all that doesn't even address layout choices to work with different playstyles or special restrictions, like me with my inability to work with The Gardening Cube that is the standard/mathematically optimal 9x9 layout!

Anyway, nobody needs to worry about ANY of that if you're happy with how your garden is working for you. This is for fun, and if it's working for you, then you're doing it right! I just like thinking about this stuff.

[dim oasis]

any gardening layouts for 100% water retain, high weed prevention, and high harvest increase with corn and rice and apple tree(s)

[floral talon]

yes but are u high enough lv to not need quality up?

[dim oasis]

yes

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.H-A.HO.HpA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.H-A.HA.HCb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HO-BkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.H-A.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.H-A.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP-OA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.HpA.HA.H-A.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HO.WA.H-A.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.Hp

minimum fertiliser max afk apples

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkOCrBBCbBBP-AAAAAAAAA-BBBkBBOPCbCr-AAAAAAAAA-BkOBkOCo.HOBkOBk-AAAAAAAAA-CrCbPOBBBkBB-AAAAAAAAA-PBBCbBBCrOBk
afk jams and cakes

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HCbCBkAACAA-BkPCbACrAAC.HpA-CBkP.HAACbAAC-CbAAPCr.WCr.WBkAA-ABkACb.WP.HCb.WABkA-AABkCr.WCr.WPAACb-CAACbAAP.HBkC-AC.HpAACrACbPBk-AACAABkCCbP.H
everything afk apples2

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HOCbPBk.HPCbOCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbPCr.HOBk.HOCrPCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkOCbP.HCbOBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbOCrPBk.HPCr.HOCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkOCbP.HCbOBkCr.H

everything afk apples

if u need something else feel free to task i got so many

[dim oasis]

more so a lot of rice and corn, just 1 or 2 apple tree is enough

[floral talon]

mh i dont have that yet but i can make it
what is ur purpose of such a layout if i may ask

[dim oasis]

the sashimi parties

[floral talon]

mh but why apples then

[dim oasis]

just so i can get garden xp and do cake parties every now and then for food

[floral talon]

i seem to have actually thought this trhough i shall make one for you

[dim oasis]

thanks

[neat vortex]

How do you feel about this one?
You could replace one of the apple trees with another weed/water module, if you wanted. (The specific single-tile crops are just for demo purposes; swap them out as you like for whatever you want to grow.)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.HOBkPT.HPBkOR-R.HPBkOT.HOBkPR.H-R.HBkT.HPO.HPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-ROTPBk.HPTOR-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPO.HPT.HBkR.H-R.HPBkOT.HOBkPR.H-ROBkPT.HPBkOR.H
Fertilizer also optional, of course.

(similar concept to DuhScape's AFK Apples 2, but with two of the apple trees swapped out)

[dim oasis]

thank you!! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1160984775025250364/1293763735642701966/image.webp?ex=6745dc9f&is=67448b1f&hm=5692d8d2391e855634cb14dfc22aaba97767e25a4eec9b488b47015183824e10&=&format=webp I've been using this one and couldn't really find a way to lessen the apple trees and increase the corn/rice

[neat vortex]

oh, yeah, that's DuhScape's one :)

[dim oasis]

yeah pretty sure I got that layout from here

[neat vortex]

What mine does is basically just... take one of the corner modules, swap the east-west and north-south crops, and paste it into the middle of the row XD

and the directional swap is completely optional, btw

[dim oasis]

yeah I was trying to do without fertilizer at first so I couldn't really find a way

[neat vortex]

The only "without fertilizer" version that I know of is the bullseye, which can accommodate one apple tree in the middle (but still needs HB fert for the apple tree and the corners...)

[dim oasis]

[floral talon]

i guess ren beat me to it u still need me to make something?

[dim oasis]

its fine, this one works

[neat vortex]

i.e., this: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTOBkCrCrORP-BkPTRCrCrTOBk-OBkP.HRCrTPCrO-TCrBkPCrOBkRT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TRBkOCrPBkCrT-OCrPTCrRP.HBkO-BkOTCrCrRTPBk-PROCrCrBkOTP.H
And it certainly does net you a lot of harvest boosters!
(though as DuhScape notes, it can be a little dizzying to plant all those concentric circles XD)

[dim oasis]

wait this ones actually better for me

even more corn and rice

[neat vortex]

Yep, it's really powerful that way

And it has a pretty simple repeating pattern for each circle

Outer and inner are water1, water2, weed1, weed2

Middle (harvest boosters) is basically any combo you want as long as each one has "a buddy, not a twin." This one in the example layout can be thought of as being corn, rice, corn; corn, rice, corn - but you could put in different proportions, or sub in some wheat, or whatever you want.

[hollow wharf]

Can someone give their opinion on this possible garden layout?
I just hit level 5 and want to focus on getting star seeds. So I set each "chunk" to focus on improving one crop. I made sure each one of the focus crop in each chunk have a quality, quantity, and water boost.
Does this make sense? I don't really want to muddle with fertilizers right now

[floral talon]

stuff only gives buffs directly ajacent not diagonally

so yeay there are some design flaws in yours XD
but i dont wanna spoil the answers of best low level layouts for you
you seem to be having fun making layouts after all

[hollow wharf]

I know it's only diagonal? I tried to get three bonuses on each of the focus crops in each square, quality, quantity, and water. The rest are just there for their boosts. So I'm not sure what you are saying I'm missing. I'll just use this then

Square one is the tomatoes, two potatoes, three rice, etc. Since I can't consistently get enough star seeds to replant when I try the scattered method a lot of people seem to recommend early on

[floral talon]

I know it's only diagonal? no adjacent NOT diagonal

[hollow wharf]

Sorry, my dyslexia got me. I know it's old adjacent, not diagonal

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

[sonic skiff]

Looks good to me! Only concern would be weeds, which I recently learned do halt growth until they're pulled.

[hollow wharf]

Awesome, thanks! Weeds are fine to me. I can stop by and pull them with no problem

[neat vortex]

This is pretty clever, and definitely demonstrates that you understand how the buffs work. :)
Like in the first soil plot, the focus crop is tomatoes, right? Then potatoes, then rice, then wheat... it's like you're setting up little planter beds for each one, if I'm understanding it right.

[neat vortex]

oops, you said this in a later message, so, yes

One feature I really wish the Garden Planner had is the ability to "move around" each soil plot like you can in-game

because I wonder if you could potentially shuffle around some of the placements of the soil plots to get better water retain coverage 🤔

(That is a genuine wondering: I have no idea and would have to play around with it myself in order to find out)

[floral talon]

sadly lane L shape and sqaure are always superior

[neat vortex]

Oh, yes, I meant keeping the square

Minimizing corners and edges is always best if you're trying to cram on companion buffs

Jus' noodlin', but this is what I meant:

NOT spaced out, still jammed together into a 9x9 - I just didn't bother perfectly matching up the edges

actually

maybe... ugh this always gives me a headache, ngl 😅

[neat vortex]

I also wonder if instead of each "planter" having one crop (so all the corners of the planter are getting redundant buffs), I wonder if you could pair up the planters so that instead of 4 tomatoes in planter A, 4 corn in planter B... you could do something like 2 tomatoes and 2 corn in planter A, and 2 corn and 2 tomatoes in planter B

like this:

[floral talon]

i applaud ur inginuity ren that willd efinitly work for him

[neat vortex]

It won't completely work to have all water retain on all the crops, because you can only cover 6 out of 9 that way (because only 3 water retain crops)

[floral talon]

i mean u just have to make the middle soil with weed instead of water retain then right? so u can have weed plants

[neat vortex]

Yeah, basically

Here is the "at least 4 of every crop is getting QualityUp" version:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbTWCrCoCrWTCb-TCWCCoCWCT-CbTWCrCoCrWTCb-PCbRWCoWRCbP-CbBkRBkCoBkRBkCb-PCbRWCoWRCbP-TPCrRCoRCrPT-POCrOCoOCrOP-TPCrRCoRCrPT

also made an all-watered version, see below

(personally, I feel like carrots and bok choy cycle so fast that it probably won't be an issue)

[floral talon]

yeay id honestly just do one of hte stds water retain layouts and one try with weedblock instead of water retain

[neat vortex]

And here is the "100% water retain but you build up your star seeds slower on the weeder crops" version
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbTWCrCoCrWTCb-CbTWCCoCWTCb-CbTWCrCoCrWTCb-PCbRWCoWRCbP-PCbRBkCoBkRCbP-PCbRWCoWRCbP-TPCrRCoRCrPT-TPCrOCoOCrPT-TPCrRCoRCrPT

[hollow wharf]

Oof, looks like I missed a lot while I was at work LOL

[neat vortex]

lmao you threw a puzzle-bone to the gardening terriers

and we've been worrying at it since XD

I LOVE the "planter" concept, though!

when I was a very new player, I did something kind of similar, but as a strip garden

(I could not handle a 9x9, lol, still can't)

[hollow wharf]

I just want to get enough star quality crops to finally get a garden with all star seeds 😅. That way I cam switch to one of those no watering needed layouts

[pliant nymph]

anyone got a unusual garden layout? like the plots being in weird shapes. need something new aside from the typical layout. i asked this question earlier this month but i forgot to respond back... rip

need 100% water retain and weed protection without fert cause i dont want to go back and forth all the time just to need to go back again another hour

[clear kindle]

once you're around level 15 with 25 being guaranteed, all star seeds will give star crops, around level 38 you'll even get star crops from normal seeds

[neat vortex]

I have one that's linear (well, an L-shape) and can also accommodate blueberries/peppers

[pliant nymph]

ill try it out. was trying to do a 3 corner one but it seems impossible to make it 100% water retain and weed proof...

[neat vortex]

My regular one: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111-100001-000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPTBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OPT.HBkW.HBkTPO.H-O.HBkTPW.HPT.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-O.HPT.HBkW.HBkT.HPO.H

Blueberries/peppers: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1111111-1000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPW.HPTBkO.H-Bk.HOCbTB.HB.HCbB.HB.H-P.HTO.HBkCr.HBkOTP-Cb.HP.HBk.HSp.HSp.HO.HSp.HSp.HCb.H-O.HBkTPR.HPT.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-OBkTPR.HPT.HBkO.H

[pliant nymph]

ty!

[neat vortex]

The regular one is pretty flexible in terms of how you twist/turn it

but the blueberry one, the center segment has to be straight, pretty sure

[grim delta]

I’m just gonna slap this here: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-B.HB.HP.HB.HB.HTC.HOR-BkCo.HBkCPCWCbO-P.HSp.HSp.HTSp.HSp.HROC.H-Cb.HTPBkOBkCb.HPCr-AAAAAAAAA-CrPCb.HBkOBkPTCb.H-C.HORSp.HSp.HTSp.HSp.HP.H-OCbWCPCBkCo.HBk-ROC.HTB.HB.HP.HB.HB.H

it’s not an interesting shape, just a boring square, and isn’t a min-max moneymaker build….

but it’s fully afk with every crop in the game, no weeding/watering and with starred seeds there’s no need for quality up ferts.

I am lazy so I like to set it and forget it lol

Less time touching plant = more time chasing poor defenseless animals!

[floral talon]

I like ur attitude
Ur layout works but damm it uses alot of fert

[grim delta]

Yeah just harvest boost though which I’m collecting too much of with my worm machines

[floral talon]

Fair usage choice

[smoky vessel]

Star seed crops dont require watering?

[hollow wharf]

You can balance the garden layout to get 100% water retention so you never need to water

But you can't do that and also get a high quality boost. I'm using a layout ment to quickly produce star seeds, then switch to a water retention layout

[floral talon]

They do unles buff

[floral talon]

U can get that

[neat vortex]

Agree with DuhScape - off the top of my head, the Bullseye with all cotton (instead of harvest boosters) in the middle ring would be one. 100 percent watered, and quality boost coverage on all crops except the 4 corners and the cotton plants themselves. It could be 100 percent weeded, too! But you'd need another solution for collecting star seeds for the grains, in that case.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure there is a hard (mathematical) limit of 3 companion buffs at 100 percent (except corners, which are mathematically limited to 2 companion buffs), unless you use fertilizer. (You can get patchy coverage of 4 companion buffs on SOME plants, though.)

[clear kindle]

yeah, i believe that without any fertilizer you can only max two buffs, with fertilizer 3 and patchy areas with 4

[neat vortex]

All-but-corners for 3 buffs is pretty damn good though XD

[floral talon]

oh i got afk fll harvy and quality up layouts

[neat vortex]

(BY THE WAY, in case anyone did not know, the Bullseye was originally shared with me in this channel by @left portal ! I talk about it a lot, but it isn't my design - I ain't that clever XD)

[floral talon]

its fine i see bullseye as genoious for its time buyt outdated now

[neat vortex]

You hate planting it, I know XD

[floral talon]

that i made updated it a few times but never shared cuz the planting was to awefull

[neat vortex]

People can make their own decisions on that - but I don't plant it either (specifically because I can't handle a 9x9 in general, lol)

I mostly just find it a useful demonstration of an algorithm and also the upper bounds of companion planting coverage

[floral talon]

oh yeay u are a U shape gardener

but yes bullseye is truly terrible to plant

[neat vortex]

I am, lol, 4 plant width max or I get lost in my own garden

I have helped a few friends with it, and it really is just a pattern...
potato 2 3 4, potato 2 3 4...
back to the beginning: tomato 2 3 4, etc. etc.

and then after that you can harvest one plant type at a time and replant before you pick anything else

Cuts waaaay down on misplants ime

[neat vortex]

Oops, got pulled away: the final part of that thought was that you're correct and it's not the most user-friendly layout by any stretch, even with a pattern

lol I wonder what the best way would be to chart semi-mutually-exclusive variables like "minimal fertilizer," "symmetry/pattern," "crop coverage/variety," "minimal number of crops," "revenue per growth tick" etc. etc.

[floral talon]

idk i just know i encalced oppurtunity cost of extra effort compared to just fishing ur in pond and realised most bokchoi isnt worth it so muhc extra clicks in the crafters and stuff

[neat vortex]

Eh, if you're motivated to fish, sure

I think that that will probably depend on the person

[neat vortex]

There's also tradeoffs between active vs passive

[paper rain]

Has anyone else gotten to the point that you’d be willing to pay some poor villager to plow/water for you on replanting day?
Like I’ve already gotten it set up to be the most easy, quick, mindless routine possible and I still just don’t want to deal with it 😂
I’ll spend hours in Kilima/bahari & delete random little things for bag space just to avoid having to go home and take the time to deal with it 😂

[clear kindle]

it's why i only harvest my 4 apple trees and ignore everything else

don't have to worry about it for 12 online hours (first harvest) and then every 6 hours after that for 3 more harvests, then replant and forget it

[paper rain]

I have 6 apple trees and alternate 1 row of potato & 2 of corn for the harvest boost & watering on my trees lol, and just spend forever adding 99 stacks of water ferts to the non-tree rows every couple weeks 😂

[clear kindle]

these are the two completely afk layouts i've been using, well, the one with the cabbage anyways but both came about around the same time, not my designs

as i don't harvest anything but the apples, i don't have to worry about the fertilizers on the crops that require it

[paper rain]

Yeah that’s way too complicated for me 😂

[clear kindle]

not for an apple farmer, like i said, once the crops are planted, i ignore all of them except the 4 apple trees, but that's my play style

[floral talon]

yes and we have found various ways to deal with it

feel free to ask for suggestions XD

[gritty turret]

Can you stack harvest boost from fertilizer and the neighboring plants?

[neat vortex]

No, fertilizer does not stack with the identical companion buff from a crop. You can put the fertilizer on anyway, but it has no effect and won't be consumed, either

[gritty turret]

ahhhh alrighty thank you

[last plover]

Do you guys think they’ll eventually let us have more than 9 soil plots?

[clear kindle]

probably not

[bitter copper]

did the layout. ^.^

All star seeds

[neat vortex]

Nice nice nice, how's it treating you?

[bitter copper]

erm idk yet. ^.^ just wanted to try it out. Probably go back to apples after this. But it seemed like a good way to get the rest of the ingredients for stuffs all in one layout other than apples

[neat vortex]

What is the fertilizer you have everywhere?

[bitter copper]

Quality Up

I can change it over i have a row of it.. wanted to use it.

[neat vortex]

lol if your're using the layout you responded to, then it ain't going anywhere lol

[bitter copper]

xD dang it.

I need the harvest boost?

[neat vortex]

Hang on, I stand corrected, the X shape on each plot (four corners and center) will benefit from qualityup

but there's really no reason to put QU on cotton unless you are growing it for profit

[bitter copper]

ahh, i sell the star Q cotton. no benefits from keeping it. Right?!

[neat vortex]

Yeah, sell it as seeds. But that's why it doesn't make sense to put QualityUp fertilizer on it (wastes the fertilizer when you could just sell it) if you WANT cotton for fabric

[modest siren]

Hi pals,
My worms hate me 😂
What’s the best thing to give them to yield both worms & glow worms
TIA

[neat vortex]

Er, you don't mean both worms & glow worms from the same farm, right? Separate farms?

[bitter copper]

bragging on REN here
Day 2 no watering... AMAZING. I went to water out of instinct. not needed what a nice feeling

[neat vortex]

Water retain really is SUCH a labor saver

Wait 'til you try a 100% weed/water layout!

[neat vortex]

This depends on whether you are farming worms and want them cheaply/profitably or fast. Due to the math involved, they are somewhat mutually exclusive.
The short version is that the yield per item scales pretty closely with the sell value of whatever you put in the farms.

• if you want fast (high yield per hour), then put high value items in. I recommend savory (not sweet) items*. This can be anything, though note that some values of items can lose up to 5g in value in the farms, making the worms more expensive than their actual value. You will also need to clear out the bins frequently to keep them processing, but if you're only placing the farms temporarily and then replacing them with another crafter, this is prob. less of an issue.

• if you want cheap/profitable that will run for up to 30 hours without stopping, then put lower-value savory items in your glow worm farms. Unstarred sernuk and muujin meat are excellent for this, as are starred and unstarred morels/green onions/oyster meat — these all gain +29g in value in a glow worm farm due to rounding (can't get back half a glow worm, lol). Unstarred chapaa meat is okay, if you don't have the other stuff. These only output ONE glow worm per hour BUT because you are getting back 40-45g of glow worm + fertilizer for 11 or 16g worth of input, if you sell the fertilizer, that worm is either free (unstarred chapaa meat) or free with bonus 4g profit (all the other stuff I listed).

• for profitable/cheap/easy reg. worms, try pickled onions, assuming you're already growing and pickling those. Starred morels/green onion/oyster meat also work, as does unstarred sernuk/muujin.

*Savory items give harvest boost fertilizer and sweet items give quality up fertilizer. Because quality up is only worth 2g each, and the farm tries to match half the input value with fertilizer, sweet items tend to stall out the farm much faster by filling up the output bin.

[neat vortex]

For more specifics, see Arenvanya's Fertilizer sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?gid=1206330854#gid=1206330854 (for cooked dishes, make sure you consult the individual sheets, because variable ingredients can make for very different results!)

I personally think that grilled fish is a seriously overlooked use for "recycling" fish you were going to sell anyway.

[teal copper]

I think they meant what can they feed the worms, normal & glow, to get the most WORMS from the item.

[neat vortex]

This purely scales with input value, so the answer is the (imo unhelpful) "starred grilled fish made with top-tier epic fish"

[teal copper]

ok what about something easy to obtain and feed them...?

[neat vortex]

"Easy" is really going to depend on the person and what they spend their time doing.

(the numbers on epic grilled fish - this is NOT a recommendation to do this — there are much better uses for epic fish! — are REALLY absurd, though 😂 )

For comparison, muujin Bahari made with brightshrooms tops out at 7 glow worms each (or 36 regular worms). Star quality poke bowls made with top-tier epic fish and double dari cloves (994g each) net 20 glow worms each (or 101 regular worms, pretty sure).

Star-quality Celebration Cakes made with all apples will get you 6 glow worms or 30 regular worms each, but assuming I've done my back-of-envelope math right, here, will fill the glow worm output bin before you hit cake #7 (and the worm farm output bin rather sooner)

But, if you're just aiming for yield and not profit, that's fine

oh, and for glow worms, if you're already growing and pickling corn and/or napa cabbage, those are reasonable-ish for glow worms. They yield 2 glow worms each. Double yield may not be good enough if you really want fast, but it's also all passive for the most part, unlike meat and forageables, which require active play.

[neat vortex]

I... actually don't know if you even COULD put these in a regular worm farm. The output bin only holds 6 100-stacks, and in a worm farm, that grilled fish will dump out 6 full stacks and still have more to go 🤔

[stuck quarry]

<Listens appreciatively to the infodumping>

I put Chapaa meat in my worm farms, pretty much exclusively. But I'm playing a game not maximizing productivity.

[floral talon]

chapaa meat is a very minmaxed one though of hte 3 meats one is better of glowwormed only while the rest dont matter
the least valueble gives slightly less regular worms or something

[stuck quarry]

I preferentially cook with Sernuk, so Chapaa is easy to hunt (especially in Kilima) and fill them boxes!

[mint sandal]

I started using grilled fish since fishing for plushies had me drowning in pond fish and it has a decent yield, especially when you manage to get starred grilled fish

[floral talon]

not sure if grilled fish worming nets profit but its fast fert and worms at least

[neat vortex]

depends entirely on the specific fish used (same-value combos never get above 20g value added per hour, though, and some are less)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/htmlview#

[floral talon]

but none are a loss?

[neat vortex]

Some are :(

[floral talon]

i mean i only care about hte glowworm ones of course cuz hte rest u kinda stop fishign rel soon

[neat vortex]

I haven't mapped out all the possible two-different-fish combination values, either

[floral talon]

really i thought it would be easier to say which modulo it needs

but yeay i still dont have the wromer calc

[neat vortex]

I mean, I do have the whole glow worm results space in a table

[floral talon]

i maybe thekind of person who finds it easer to memorise a formula then look up a spreadsheet ...

[neat vortex]

I am actually terrible at mental math, so having the formula memorized still means having to pull out pen and paper and double check my work every time... browser bookmarks are easier for me and less error-prone, lol

Anyway, glow worm farm values here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/htmlview#
(in the "glow worm farm values" sheet, obvs)

[floral talon]

inbefore it was so ez it was if value below minimum it rounds up hard giving nice profits after if its %50 rounded down loss up profit

but they changed the formulas for both wormers 😦

[neat vortex]

was that in 0.169 (same as the big cake changes) or am I thinking of something else?

[floral talon]

idk when but the wiki calculation is wrong now apparently but i never tested that out XD let someone else do all the work

[neat vortex]

Huh... what on earth celebration cake is worth 238g?

what combination of fruit would you have to use for that one...

OH PFFT THAT'S WITH 3 BLUEBERRIES

The wiki glow worm farm table isn't technically wrong. It's just woefully incomplete.

[floral talon]

wait so the calc they use is still correct?

[neat vortex]

The formula seems fine yeah, it hasn't changed since last fall (0.169) afaik...

[mint sandal]

Yeah, that's why I said. They hadn't mentionned anything about profit, just worm yield. It's probably not the best but for people who fish a lot it's definetely a great option

[paper rain]

Offering one Ruby (or whatever you wanna request idc) to one of you lovely farmers if you'll come hoe and water my farm for me 😀
yes, i am entirely serious. i've left the whole thing empty for like the last 16 hours because I just cannot deal with it today.
yes, i know i am pathetic. dont care, pls halp 💜
https://paliapedia.com/item/mineral-starstone-ruby

[drifting violet]

If this is still on the table, I'd be perfectly down to be a farmhand for hire 🤭

[paper rain]

When can you start? 😂

[drifting violet]

I'm on right now! 🤭 My IGN's Moira Garnette, you should be able to add me as a friend so I can hop over to your plot

(and feel free to call on me any time during late nights — I play from midnight to 05:00 Eastern time and I'm trying to save up for two more courtyards and make the Ravenwood set 🤣)

(That goes for anyone else that doesn't care for watering/tilling/weeding and wants a helping hand, I'll take mostly anything as payment 😛 )

It looks like I can't pop over to your plot until you're loaded in, Shay 🤭

[neat vortex]

Shay, I think we're friends in game and I 1000% understand the "cannot with this today" part. Please feel free to send me a "halp" whisper any time, and if I have the wherewithal myself, I'd be happy to come help you out :)

[paper rain]

Awww thank you so much hun!! Y’all are just the greatest 💜

[mossy arrow]

Is there any way to get more soil?

[drifting violet]

You can buy more from Badruu as you level Gardening, but I believe you're capped at 9 plots total o:

[mossy arrow]

Ooo ok ty

[drifting violet]

np c:

[cunning sparrow]

Hey guys, i need some help. I got my first blueberry seed and want to place it but i only have 1 seed and dont know how to make it efficient since all layouts ive seen need atleast 4?

[neat vortex]

Blueberry seeds take up 4 tiles each - does that answer your question?

[cunning sparrow]

OHHH uh yeah sry thx

[neat vortex]

No problem! It's not super intuitive if you are only looking at the layout diagrams :)

[cunning sparrow]

yeah haha

[deep dome]

hello! who got a cool garden plan with all crops? do i just do whatever?

damn ok im looking at older messages. this is more complex than i thought and theres so many ways to do stuff idek which one i want

[floral talon]

yeay but its pretty balanced so its more about what suits u best we can make a U layout

[floral talon]

make sure its quality upped and harvest boosted

[stuck quarry]

I garden at random, so it's really not necessary to do any kind of planned layout. 😅

[floral talon]

how random?

duhscape on his way to make randomgardener minmaxed layout

cuz i think u need set n forget layout

[stuck quarry]

I mean "Which crop do I have the least of?" or "Which seeds do I have the most of?" and plant those. I don't care about boosts or whatever. I really just do whatever!

[floral talon]

oh then u would lvoe 81 tomatoes

[stuck quarry]

I'll manage it every day, but I like getting weeds cuz sometimes Tamala wants them as gifts, and you can sell them for 10 coins/ea.

[floral talon]

that one is designed for max randomness and dopamine

[floral talon]

throughout the entire game u consume only like 10 of those knapweed though XD

[stuck quarry]

I don't care for a garden plan, is what I'm saying. I play this game like it's A GAME.

[floral talon]

but but doing random stuff aint how i play games at all XD

random stuff wihtout plan or meta or strat or wikit o explain how things work is just rl

[stuck quarry]

I'm not telling you to be any different! It's great that different people can get different things out of the same game.

Some folks come in here and are like "Oh, dang! I should be using PLANS?!" and get overwhelmed. I'm offering a different perspective.

[floral talon]

yeay but we got keeping it simple layouts for poeple to although we probs scared em off before they can tell us that

[stuck quarry]

Some folks actually just don't want layouts at all (like me) and that's just fine!

[floral talon]

blasphemy!!! but sure play ur way not sure how u know where to randomly plant though but ok

[last sparrow]

i now have access to apples and blueberries >:D does anyone have a recommended crop layout or anything like that ;sweat; I have been messing around with the planner but I'd thought i'd ask around :3

[floral talon]

Yeay a low lv layout where u can weave in all other plsnts

[neat vortex]

I frequently forget to reiterate this, but YES! If you're having fun and what you're doing is letting you do what you want to accomplish in-game, then it's working and hang the numbers! The numbers are there to support the fun, not the other way around.

(I happen to be having a total ball over here with my spreadsheets, etc., but that's ME. XD)

[shut veldt]

Felt. It’s a bit much seeing all the numbers. I’ve just been chaos gardening this whole time, but know I could be more efficient.

That being said, are there any layouts that include ALL crops? I’m looking for one that has all of them (I honestly haven’t figured out yet which ones I don’t need) and is as hands off as possible. I do a lot of gardening so caring for it is fine, but I go on resource runs with friends often so my crops never grow as fast as they could. I do have worm farms so have those fertilizers on hand that I do not mind using.

Appreciate any help in advance!

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HP.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.HSpSp-BkCbPAAAAAA-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PCbBkCrWOBkCbP-AAACrCb.HpBkAAA-PCbBkOWCrBkCbP-OBBPBBCb.HBkO-AAAAAAPCbBk-SpSpO.HSpSpBk.HO.HP.HCb.H

EVERYTHING GARDEN!!! (and ofcourse you can swap out onions with carrots and potatoes with tomatoes for example)

it does lack cotton though but u dont often need that

[shut veldt]

This is awesome, thank you so much!

[floral talon]

yw

[neat vortex]

oooh that's pretty elegant

[neat vortex]

In case you or someone else might find it useful, here is another option for a layout with all the crops!

It's very similar in concept to the one DuhScape shared above, with a few different features:

• no water retain fertilizer (harvest boost fertilizer is optional - trees and bushes get all buffs regardless - but if you choose to use fert, this layout does use more than DuhScape's)
• fewer bushes (could be a plus or a minus depending on your needs) — and can have both be blueberries or both be peppers with a few adjustments to HB fertilizer placement
• bushes and trees do not "straddle" soil plots — easier to move/rearrange later, if needed
• 10 tiles of harvest boost grains — useful for multiple cooking parties
• can accommodate cotton on 2 outside corners (replacing wheat) if needed without affecting tree/bush buffs
  And, as is true of any layout, single-tile same-buff crops are "hot-swappable" as long as you don't have 2 of the same crops next to each other (each needs "a buddy, not a twin")
  https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOW-OCbTBBBkBBO-W.HBkT.HPC.HPTBkW-AAAAAAAAA-WOTPC.HPTOW-AAAAAAAAA-WBkTPC.HPT.HBkW.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpTCb.HO.H-WOBkPT.HPBk.HOW.H

[floral talon]

ikr u already copied it

[neat vortex]

wut

Copied it?

[floral talon]

i am duhscape and i approve of that message

[floral talon]

that one is actually really good and it will consume very little fert if doing less spicyu peppers and more blueberrys

[shut veldt]

That's great too! Thank you both so much for your help. Excited to get one of them going 😄

[mint sandal]

I have an all crops 100% water/weed and 60% harvest layout. You could use fert if the harvest boost matters a lot to you but my main focus was avoiding to water and weed when I did this. It's got 2 of each apples, blueberries and peppers, and it's symmetrical so easy to replant when the time comes
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-OTOCCbCBkTBk-AAAAAAAAA-PTPBkCOBBR-CCoCBkCrBkTCbT-PTPOCBkWBB-BBSpPTSpOCBk-SpOSpSpCSpTCbT-SpBBSpTPBkCO

[kind haven]

Okay so new to the game, just got into the fruit stage of gardening. Looking to maximise Apples/Berries for a few days till i get enough seeds stockpiled to be more general about it.

I made this layout but wouldnt mind some critique and ideas.

I'd love to see a similar no weed layout also, but couldn't come up with it on the fly myself.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-WTPBBTBBP-AAAAAAAAA-PTPTBBWBB-AAAAAAAAA-BBWBBTPTP-AAAAAAAAA-PBBTBBPTW-AAAAAAAAA

100% water. 100% quantity boost. Have to weed daily, but I use knapweed as gifts for a couple of people so I don't mind too much as weeding only takes a few seconds, compared to a few minutes with watering.

[neat vortex]

Great pinwheel, nice work :D Only thing I'd suggest is that, if you have it and you want to, you can dump qualityup fertilizer on the fruit trees/bushes, plus always make starred seeds to replant. (You may want to build up a little stash of unstarred fruit first though, as it's very precious later on — you can't buy it anywhere, and you can't fill requests with starred stuff OR cook with starred fruit if the one starting the recipe forgets to check "use starred ingredients"... so now every time a rummage pile gives me an unstarred apple, I gasp in joy XD)

re: weed prevention: that's going to be tough with that many apple and blueberry plants, because while the blueberries give harvest boost (so they do double-duty), so far we only have single-tile crops that give weed prevention. Geometrically, you can't cram weed prevention in around that many apples and blueberries without giving up water retain.

You miiight be able to manage four apple trees plus two blueberry bushes...? let me play around with it, but my first instinct is to think it's not doable. However, I am notoriously resistant to layouts that have plants straddling soil plots, and struggle a lot with the 2x2 bushes, lol

If you scroll up, we've got a few examples of 2 apple trees plus varying numbers of bushes that are weeded and watered.

[neat vortex]

Hm... not my favorite, but it DID teach me a new self-watering/self-weeding module (the triangles in the top left and bottom right corners), so that's fun
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HPBkBkT.HOOPBk-AAAAAAAAA-PTBk.HBBTBBP-AAAAAAAAA-TPWOBk.HOWPT-AAAAAAAAA-PBBTBBBk.HTP-AAAAAAAAA-OTBkBkP.HOOTW.H

And, tbh, as clever as it is to use blueberry bushes to buff apple trees, I tend to personally prefer the flexibility of having them be separate so they can be swapped out for pepper plants without disrupting the whole setup 🤔 that's personal preference only, though, as I really don't host cake parties

[kind haven]

Thanks for the advice. The choice of using the blue berries was equally due to the need to get some for seeding as well. I'll likely only do one round of growth on this setup, just to give myself enough seeds so I don't have to worry about giving up 280 medals to get a fresh apple seed and restart later lol.

Do starred seeds always result in starred crops? I assumed it would boost the chance, but not make it 100% star chance. Would be useful and make my next planned round of growth (cotton for cloth and potatoes for pickling) easier if I could guarantee starred potatoes later on.

We've been playing less than a week, so quite a bit is new to us still. On a related note, we havent touched fertilizers yet. Do they need applied daily, and for multi grid crops like peppers berries and apples does it need 4x or 9x per day?

[neat vortex]

I'll answer these in a few messages :)

Yes, you said! And yep, keeping a seed bank is always a great idea - I personally keep around 30 of each seed plus enough for 2 replants in my current layout.

[neat vortex]

Do starred seeds always result in starred crops?
This depends on your gardening level. Your base chance of getting star crops slowly increases as your level goes up.

• Before level 25, you are not guaranteed star produce unless a crop is BOTH planted with star seeds AND has the buff from cotton or quality up fertilizer (same buff, so fertilizer and companion planting buff don't stack)
• After level 25, planting star seeds alone is enough to guarantee all star produce.
• Around level 35-40 or so, your base star chance is high enough that you get all star produce even if you plant unstarred seeds. (This is why the un-buyable unstarred crops become precious later!)

For more details on the math, check out the documentation for the garden planner and also Arenvanya's Guide to Gardening (linked at the top of the garden planner website)

re: fertilizers...

Do they need applied daily
Crops consume one unit of fertilizer per tile per growth tick. This doesn't quiiite work out to one per Palian day, because if a crop is ready to harvest, or if its growth has otherwise stalled, it will (is supposed to*) stop consuming fertilizer. (Not 100% sure how that goes with weedblock fertilizer, though - it may still be consumed as crops can get weeds even if they are harvestable/not growing.)

• For harvest boost and quality up fertilizers, it is necessary to have them available to use for EVERY growth tick that the plant is growing, or else you don't get the full bonus chance.
• Water retain and weedblock are straightforward: if the fertilizer runs out, you stop getting the protective buff, and you have to weed/water before the plant will progress again.

Fortunately, fertilizer can be stacked up to 99 per plant (100 for bushes), so you can load them up and then just top them off regularly without having to worry so much about it.

and for multi grid crops like peppers berries and apples does it need 4x or 9x per day?
You guessed it! Since it's per tile per growth tick, peppers and berries sit on 4 tiles, so they consume 4 fert per growth tick, and apples, on 9 tiles, consume 9 fertilizer per growth tick.
__
* I say "supposed to" because there IS a bug where if you spend a long stretch of time (3+ hours) online but without coming back to the housing plot, then for some reason your plants will keep consuming fertilizer despite being grown.... ...but also your multi-harvest crops will just keep keepin' on XD I think my record is 3 tomato harvests after spending 7+ hours in Bahari one night.

[kind haven]

The pre-stacking of fertilizer was something I didn't know about, great to know!!!!

Does the fertilizer apply to the crop or the tile? IE If i stack 99 fert on a potato tile/plant, and then harvest it when its grown, do I lose the remaining fertilizer?

[neat vortex]

It stays in the dirt, handily enough. However, whenever you plant a multi-tile crop, it will pull up any fertilizer that was already in the soil (it will go back in your bags) and you will need to reapply it.

Also, if you put another type of fertilizer on a tile that already contains fertilizer, the existing fertilizer will hop right out of the soil and be returned to you. Very handy; very video game logic. XD

I keep QU fertilizer around specifically for those "oh dammit" times when I absentmindedly put HB fertilizer on a crop that's already getting the harvest boost buff from a neighbor, so it doesn't just sit there helpfully swirling at me and doing nothing XD

sacrifice one unit of QU fert to get the HB back

[kind haven]

TYSM for taking the time to walk me through this. I had basically been ignoring fertilizers as a whole because I thought "Well if i gotta place it on each day anyway I might as well go ahead and not use it cause I gotta water/weed daily and that'd be equal effort"

[neat vortex]

Sure thing :)

[floral talon]

you forgot quality up but thats only for lowere levels if ur like below 25 or something

[bleak forge]

whats the best seed to plant for money

[floral talon]

Bokchoi do make sue its starquality and harvesboosted though

[bleak forge]

im still at the start of the game kinda i dont think i can boost it yet

[floral talon]

U can even without fert

[idle ocean]

And then is it better to seed or preserve bok choy?

[stable ginkgo]

seed if you want the most money per crop, preserve if you want money fast

[floral talon]

^ what he said

[idle ocean]

I currently use apple jam for focus so I don’t need a huge variety of vegetables…I know I should really cook or try cooking parties lol

[neat vortex]

Ehh, if you want. Depends on whether you're more short on gold, or more short on time/energy.

Even cooking solo, unless you're just using all the most expensive ingredients for some reason, you spend less in terms of what your materials are worth to get the same amount of focus, and many dishes give more focus than apple jam does. However, it does definitely take time/planning. Splitting the ingredients with others takes down the time and the cost per person once you get going, but has more planning overhead.

If being able to produce your focus food while you do other things is important to you, apple jam is one of the better choices, by my reckoning. But it's a tradeoff - as with everything.

[idle ocean]

Ya that my thought process too. And cooking isn’t very enjoyable for me. Thanks for the insight. Much appreciated

[neat vortex]

(and it's still more gold-efficient than BUYING focus food 😂 which is also a perfectly valid choice for folks who also don't want to garden)

[clear kindle]

if you're using apples, then petite fives are a good source of focus food (400/600), though most of the ingredients you need to buy from zeki

[neat vortex]

And you also need corn and two sweet leaf

[neat vortex]

@mild stream waves
Tell me more about what you want your layout to do and I'll see what I can dig up :D and send Enta over here XD

[mild stream]

Elliot! ❤️ I'd love to have a weed free, self watering garden layout

[neat vortex]

Great! What crops are you after?

[mild stream]

Apples, Corn, Tomatoes, Onion mainly

[neat vortex]

That's easy - any blueberries or peppers? and how many apple trees?

[mild stream]

two apples trees if possible, peppers too would be good. I dont grow blueberries anymore (too scared to do wrong FF) lmao

[sterile goblet]

where can i find blueberries?

[mild stream]

@fallow cosmos

[neat vortex]

@mild stream Have a look at this one and see if it will meet your needs? Keeping in mind that you can swap in corn for the wheat (or rice if you need rice) without any trouble.

[fallow cosmos]

[mild stream]

wow! tysm Eliot ❤️ really really appreciate it

[neat vortex]

Hang on, wiki is missing the info I needed to look up, checking patch notes XD

[fallow cosmos]

if you can slap rice as well in there thatd be amazing too

[neat vortex]

Anywhere you see wheat in the layout, you can freely plant either rice OR corn

They all give their neighbors the same buff (harvest boost) so it won't change anything about the layout

You can also probably do more tomatoes instead of the napa with a little fiddling, let me check

Oh, nope, sorry, the napa would otherwise be potatoes.

Carrots can either be more onions (corners) or one more bok choy (center)

The placements of the single-tile crops are all pretty shuffleable as long as the overall what-buff-goes-where stays put and every crop has "a buddy, not a twin" (no same two crops next to each other)

[neat vortex]

Here, customized to maximize your target crops:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.HOBk.HTP.HTBkOR-O.HP.HTSpSpBk.HSpSpO.H-Cr.HOT.HPBk.HPTOCr-AAAAAAAAA-CrOTPBk.HPTOCr-AAAAAAAAA-CrOTPBk.HPT.HOCr.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpTP.HO.H-ROBkTP.HTBk.HOR.H (well, plus rice, for demo purposes, just make it all corn if you want)

[neat vortex]

What are your target crops? :) aside from rice

[mild stream]

you're amazing tysm! ❤️

[neat vortex]

Found it! You get a blueberry seed at gardening level 8 and another at level 9. Otherwise, see here: https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Blueberry_Bush_Seed#Obtained_From

• Badruu's level 3 friendship quest
• Lucky Box (random chance)
• POSSIBLY from obtaining the Blueberry Pie recipe and using it to request blueberries? I haven't verified that one. (You need 4 blueberries to make blueberry seeds in a seed collector)

[fallow cosmos]

apples, rice, corn, onions, tomatoes :')

I can steal sali's XD

[neat vortex]

Sure! Do you also want to grow peppers, and is 2 apple trees enough?

[fallow cosmos]

no peppers, and yeee 2 is enough

[neat vortex]

How's this one? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HOBkTP.HTBkOCr-Cr.HTBkOP.HOBkTCr.H-R.HOT.HPBk.HPTOR-AAAAAAAAA-ROTPBk.HPTOR-AAAAAAAAA-ROTPBk.HPT.HOR.H-Cr.HTBkOP.HOBkTCr.H-CrOBkTP.HTBkOCr.H

[fallow cosmos]

you're amazing thank you

[neat vortex]

\o/

So you know, each of those non-apple blocks is its own little independent module

It will stay weeded and watered all by itself, and together they also weed/water/harvest boost the apple trees

(and the apple trees harvest boost the crops touching them)

[fading aspen]

does this look good or can i improve on this even more

focused on water and weed 100%

[neat vortex]

Looks like a pretty good bullseye with a cotton weave-in to me :) Are you using the carrots frequently for cooking?

[fading aspen]

not really, im currently following this 4 plot design and tried to turn it into a 9 plot one

[neat vortex]

Oh, yeah, same concept! Nicely executed

[fading aspen]

that 4 plot one i definitely yoinked from someone on this server, but i tried my hand at copying the concepts for a 9 plot and the numbers looked good but maybe people here know something i dont

[neat vortex]

Yeah, all the suggestions I have would be for adding fertilizer (if you want to) and possibly subbing some crops to better tailor them to your needs

When that original diagram was made, bok choy and napa cabbage didn't exist in the game! And probably corn didn't either

[slim crow]

looking for a little help. is it possible to get a 100% harvest/100% water retain with this? if not, can we tweak from four to two blueberries and achieve 100/100? i'm just not looking to do anything with a ton (not more than 6/7) of crops. i don't mind swapping or adding peppers. any help is appreciated

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WPRPBBRBB-AAAAAAAAA-RPWBBPBBR-AAAAAAAAA-TPTPWPTPT-AAAAAAAAA-WBBTBBRPW-AAAAAAAAA-BBWBBTWPR

[neat vortex]

Are you married to the number of grains you have going in this layout?

[slim crow]

nope! i'm flexible.

i'm just attempting to not make myself miserable with a ton of different crops. i plan to turn into jams/seeds depending on crops used.

[fading aspen]

purely looking for harvest and water i found this

but i might be overcomplicating with the corner blueberries

also maybe use other water and harvest crops i just use these since im used to them and dont know how the new ones work :))

[neat vortex]

Yeah, that one has a point... cramming the blueberries up next to the apples will leave the single-tile corners with only one buff (sans fertilizer), most likely, unless I can successfully tweak it

but blueberries (or worse, peppers) are the #1 cause of my brain turning into a pretzel, so XD I don't promise competence here...

HOWEVER... one sec

[fading aspen]

i tried not moving the blueberries but i also keep ending up with a single buff on one

[slim crow]

sorry D:

[slim crow]

this may still work. the garden i had before layout was hurting my head every time i needed to replant. literally dreading it because of the pattern LOL. this is much simpler.

i was trying to mess the planner and trying to think of how i should layout it xD

[fading aspen]

center is easily fixed by changng 1 crop but here are 4 different corner variations as to why i cant fix them with where the blueberries are

theres always 1 with 1 buff

[neat vortex]

Yep

[fading aspen]

@slim crow heres a link so you can actually edit it without having to copy everything https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BBWBBTWTP-AAAAAAAAA-RBBTBBPTR-AAAAAAAAA-WTRRPWWTR-AAAAAAAAA-RTPBBTBBR-AAAAAAAAA-PTWTBBWBB

ive prioritized tomatoes over potatoes because they dont have to be replanted every time but notsure if that makes a difference

[slim crow]

nope! like i said flexible! thank you for the help!

[neat vortex]

@slim crow Here's my stab at taking advantage of the blueberries being where they are...
The cotton are just placeholders: they mean "you can grow any crop here and it will all still work."
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Co.HPTPBBTBB-AAAAAAAAA-TPCo.HBBPBBT-AAAAAAAAA-TPTCoCo.HCoTPT-AAAAAAAAA-TBBPBBCo.HPT-AAAAAAAAA-BBTBBPTPCo.H

You can keep it simple and make that more tomatoes and potatoes, or you can grow grains or whatever you need for cooking or other projects.

The tradeoff: 5 harvest boost fertilizer per growth tick (though, on single-tile crops, so you can stack them all up to 99 and won't have to worry about it for a while)

Otherwise, I tried to keep it symmetrical and simple

[slim crow]

Thank you! I appreciate the simplicity!

[neat vortex]

That layout is so redundant... those apple trees are practically bulletproof XD rainforest apple trees

[fading aspen]

@neat vortex optimizing (single) crops for value ive found this, even placed cotton wherever it boosts the better value water/weed crops
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPBkCRCoBkCrP-CTPCrRCoTCBk-BkCTCrRPPCoBk-PCoBkTRCCCrT-RCrCoPTBkCoCrR-TCrCCRTBkCoP-BkCoPPRCrTCBk-BkCTCoRCrPTC-PCrBkCoRCBkPT

[neat vortex]

Nice iteration! Make sure you set the # of days to 180 (the least common multiple of all of the crop grow times) when you are comparing values, because otherwise 4-day crops get one harvest unfairly cut off in the calculations

[fading aspen]

days are on 30

so that should be fine?

[neat vortex]

30 isn't divisible by 4 :)

[fading aspen]

oh i see 🤔

[neat vortex]

(mostly affects wheat vs corn)

[fading aspen]

i was about to say that the only change was wheat and corn 😭

[neat vortex]

Corn is nice because it's flexible in how it can be processed, though

[fading aspen]

how does one process crops btw

[neat vortex]

Mostly using either seed collectors or preserves jars

[fading aspen]

i know cotton becomes fabric, and u can use these other crops for cooking ofc

[neat vortex]

In a few specific instances, it may make sense to feed certain unstarred crops to glow worms if time isn't an issue

OH if you introduce cooking it turns into a whole different set of considerations, haha

And cotton becomes fabric to be used (or, wisely, hoarded, lol), but always into seeds if it's excess crop you're planning to sell.

Cotton's buff becomes useless by gardening level 25 (you get 100% starred crops with just starred seeds by that point), though, so it makes sense to grow it early and build up your starred crop stocks

[fading aspen]

since i dont have the seed maker yet right now im selling most non starred crops (keeping a few for seed making) and holding onto every starred crop for starred seeds

unless starred crops should not be used for seeds 🧐

[neat vortex]

What... level gardening are you?

Starred crops always become starred seeds in the seed maker (with occasional bonus unstarred seeds), so yes, make seeds for replanting from the starred crops preferentially

[fading aspen]

just turned lvl 4

[neat vortex]

You should have access to the seed maker already, right?

Just haven't bought the recipe yet, or something else?

[fading aspen]

its lvl 5 🥲

[neat vortex]

wat

All this time I thought it was level 2, that's my mistake, then...

[fading aspen]

hahaha no worries, im just waiting until i can turn these crops into seeds and never pay zeki any of my money anymore

[neat vortex]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Guild_Store#Gardening_Guild_Store this says level 2, hang on, let me go buttonhole Badruu....

time to fix the wiki, either way

[fading aspen]

interestingly enough if you click on seed maker itll show you the correct level 5 in its description

also, isnt it technically more beneficial to turn every single crop into seeds and sell those instead? besides ofc the time it takes

[neat vortex]

Yes, definitely

[fading aspen]

this is also not how sorting should work but that might be a coding issue in the wiki itself....

[neat vortex]

With the exceptions of sapwood and cotton-as-fabric, and a few input values in a glow worm farm, you basically always get more gold per item by processing your crops than by selling them raw

[neat vortex]

oh lol that's because it's a text field, huh, not a formatted time field

what the hECK and it's a thousand gold, too, not 100... what the?

[fading aspen]

yup, though by the time youre farming 5 you can get the 1k with your crops

[neat vortex]

Sure, easily, but that's a BIZARRE change and I don't remember that being in any of the patch notes. Because it was 1000% level 2 for a very long time.

like what the heck why would they do that?

It was changed on the wiki in late october 2024, so, about a month ago...

[fading aspen]

i think the seed collector is just that good

[neat vortex]

Hah!

But the whole point of 0.180 was to make it easier to make money in early game...

[fading aspen]

whats the point in buying seeds from zeki if you can get them for free from quests and then make then infinitely

farming still makes good money with buying seeds tbf

[neat vortex]

"it's too easy to make money as a new player" has NEVER been the complaint lmao

[fading aspen]

i am indeed still struggling, thats how i found farming

the numbers dont really amaze you until you realize you get several from 1 seed and several seeds from 1 crop

[neat vortex]

Yeah that's patch 0.185 that introduced the change, and it was NOT in the patch notes

I think that was maybe not intentional...

[fading aspen]

changing the unlock level and price of an item seems too specific to be an accident

not having it in the patch notes, thats most likely the accident

[neat vortex]

Quite possible

either way, ticket time! Sorry for the out-of-date info on my part

[fading aspen]

nahhh all good, if anything it helped update the game info

what igt do crops update

[neat vortex]

6AM (for most timezones, that's 15 minutes past the hour IRL time)

[fading aspen]

is this where i realize 1 hour is 1 day in game

[neat vortex]

Hey @floral talon apparently seed collector is a level 5 gardening recipe now, costs 1k gold... I sent in a ticket about it to see if it was an intentional change (wasn't in patch notes, came about with 0.185) but unless it is reverted in the future/wasn't an intentional change, might need to change new-player advice slightly @_@;

[floral talon]

Tnx for the heads up il explain to the players how to get money first then wait can u even profit if having to buy seeds first

[neat vortex]

Yes, absolutely, but may be worth running some calculations on that....

[floral talon]

Il just tell em to attend some cooking cake/fishdish part or ft party to get starting capital then

[cerulean whale]

How do I get more soil? He says purchase limit reached?

[hard verge]

9 is the max.

[graceful mirage]

Ye today discovered it T-T its so sad i need more

[cunning crater]

eyo, what is the best profit layout for lvl 25+ in gardening? going for purely money, can preserve or turn into seeds ofc^^

got this but i feel like there is a better option:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRWBkBkBkRBkBk-BkBkBkBkRBkBkWBk-WRBkBkBkBkBkBkR-WBkRBkBkWBkBkR-BkBkBkBkBkBkBkRBk-RBkWWBkBkRBkBk-RBkBkWBkBkBkBkR-BkWBkBkBkBkWBkW-BkBkRBkBkWRBkBk

[floral talon]

there are different options depneding on what u minmax towards XD

[cunning crater]

isnt flat gold kinda specific? :D

[floral talon]

yes but then u get the bokchoi layout which is super tryahrd takes lots of crafter effort aswell

[cunning crater]

isnt like the most effort you can do on gardening just putting it into seed/preserve things? :D

[floral talon]

watering weeding seedcolelctor reseed harvesting

[cunning crater]

hmm alr lets say what if im fine with 1. doing all of those for the max amount of gold... and 2. an self-suistainging one?

[floral talon]

well all of those things is the bokchoi one the self sustaining is an afk one

[cunning crater]

like for different sessions

[floral talon]

like u can get afk ones for 4k/growthtick

tryharding basically caps at 6k if u also fert it

[harsh zealot]

Hi guys, Im only level 4 gardening, and I want a layout thats basically maxes lazyness. If i use this one from the guide, but replace rice and wheat with onion/carrot/bok choy can i garuntee water retention and no weeds?

Also does the adjacent boost still work if the plant is weeded, newly planted, fully grown?

And lastly, if im in the underground for 4 days straight, would my plants be ready to harvest due to water retention? Or would i have to visit the farm daily ?

Thanks in advanced for any help

[floral talon]

max lazyness is kinda more endgame though
point 2 yes but u wont get +50% harvest and also lower levels really benefit from quality up boosts
plants continue to grow when ur online and one growthtick after

[floral talon]

feel free to talk more about gardening here to ur hearts content 😄 its what the channel is for after all
also i can make layouts for poeple

[harsh zealot]

thank you, just a quick follow up, why do lower levels benefit from quality ? Do you get more xp for harvesting a star quality crop?

[floral talon]

not sure about xp b ut they are wroth 50% more coins and increases the odds of starred meals when cooking which are just 50% better
also at lv25 all star crops are starred produce only anyways and u need some peppers stockpiled and TONS of cotton early game
its also difficult to cram all buffs into a alyout and beginners still need the whak 1k weed achivement

[harsh zealot]

Thank you, guess its time to start weeding

[floral talon]

i mean its not absolutely required just very recommended to go at it like this first

but in the end just do what u think is fun
and if u need quick moneys we got tips for that to get ur crafter licenses

[harsh zealot]

Yeah I messed around with the planner tool and I can defintely see why its recommended. Will try it out and if it feels tedious ill go with my lazy idea

[floral talon]

afk without harvest boost is considered xp layouts

[neat vortex]

"just go to cooking parties" is not going to be a good solution for all, though. As a new player it took me ages to be comfortable enough with the cooking minigames to cook with others confidently, and you couldn't in a million years have gotten me to join something so overstimulating as a cake party, lol. So there need to be options for folks who don't want to or can't join parties for assorted reasons.

[floral talon]

nah im sure most poeple dont have social anxiety or something else to stop em for going to partys

but for hte rest uhm fishing but then again they need to be abit higher level for that to be effective

... i swear not sounding mean is super hard

[neat vortex]

lol keep working at it, good project 😉

(And you may be misunderstanding who the target audience for this game genre tends to be XD)

Gotta make room for all types :)

[floral talon]

egnineers who wanna optimise things right or logistics folks who wanna minmaxstrats right or programmers/softwaredevs who want full analyses of hte most optimal way to accomplish something right

[neat vortex]

I am Dying dhdkdjfbf that was a good one ahahaha

[floral talon]

now i wonder what the target audience of this game is ...

[neat vortex]

It is directly marketed as a cozy game, so mainly people who want to relax with something non-stressful/without "threats" and with open-ended gameplay

But it's kind of a blend of cozy village sim and MMO styles, imo

[floral talon]

i mean i alwyas call it online stardew valley with plush collecting

but are u sure its not for poeple who have super stressfull daily lives?

[neat vortex]

That is a big chunk of the target audience, yeah - for people who don't want to do something stressful in their downtime because they get enough of that in the rest of their life for various reasons

[floral talon]

il alter the way i phrase my questionaries

[neat vortex]

(I personally find investigating systems to be super relaxing/absorbing, which is why I do what I do lol)

[floral talon]

i love optimising things form an economical perspective (which noone else ever does for some reason)

whihc is why i now got a layout for every use case ...

[neat vortex]

Your ideas around crop grow time and harvest intervals gave me a totally different way of looking at that :D

[sterile goblet]

Damn people actually have strategies? I just kinda plop them down randomly and hope for the best!

[floral talon]

well u could at least do one of the simpler layotus as inspiration to get harvy buff and no watering for example

[sterile goblet]

I guess but only bok choi have the water retention dont they? And cause I'm still pretty new to the game I don't really use it much in cooking

[floral talon]

something like this the mid lane gives everything harvy buff and the otherlanes are waterretain
but bokchoi is weedblock buff
if u need help with beginner layotus kiki this is hte place we got em all

[floral talon]

u can vary layouts a little bit to get some cooking produce XD

[sterile goblet]

Ok tysm

[sterile goblet]

But I only have 2 of the soil thingies

[floral talon]

now it is a low level layout XD

[floral talon]

its ok many layotus are a pattern u can repeat over 9 soils or less

[neat vortex]

Yeah, there is a lot of flexibility :) Most of the layouts are not super-specific in terms of crops. Like, there are reasons to choose one crop over another if you're just selling everything, or depending on your playstyle, but if you need the actual crops for stuff you can generally find something that will accommodate them

[sterile goblet]

Gardening is literally my lowest skill 🥲

[floral talon]

there there

[neat vortex]

HOWEVER.
Plopping things down and hoping for the best is also a strategy, and if it's working for you the way you want it to, then you are in no way obligated to use any of this stuff. Just wanted to put that out there!

Sometimes you just don't wanna brain, and that's A-OK, this is a game

[floral talon]

yeay but above strat is lots of maintenance and u get less produce cuz random stuff is less water retain and harvest buf fprobs idk depends on howu do ranodm planting

[neat vortex]

But if you do want suggestions.... 👀

[floral talon]

LIBRARY OF 20+ layouts intensifies

^im a special kind of crazy but i gues u noticed already 😈

[sterile goblet]

My personality on palia is earth yet I hate gardening and bug catching 🙃

[neat vortex]

But do you like foraging and mining? 🤔

[floral talon]

what do earth stand for?

[neat vortex]

Direct and practical answers, sometimes very blunt

[sterile goblet]

I like forgaing and hunting 🥰

[floral talon]

thats weird then why am i a fire type

[neat vortex]

It's the typos, man

...nobody is gonna get that logic parkour but me, I fear 😂

[sterile goblet]

But apparently I am earth type accurately in the way it's like calculated in the season you were born

[floral talon]

WUT so beign born early messes up the allignment

[sterile goblet]

I was born southern hemisphere in winter but I also lived Northern hemisphere where my birthday is in the summer so I was a bit confused

[neat vortex]

(I don't actually feel like any of the skills are particularly tied to personality types in the lore - though I could be wrong - and mechanics-wise it's just based on your dialogue choices....)

[sterile goblet]

I know, but earth is kinda like the ground and I hate bugs and gardening so it feels just a bit silly

[floral talon]

thats totally what an earth person would say

[sterile goblet]

What's everyone's moon phase thingie?

[floral talon]

?_?

[sterile goblet]

Like I'm citrine cause I was born in the new moon phase

[neat vortex]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Finding_Your_Luna_Sign

[sterile goblet]

But every website gives you a different answer I had to go on a calender and look back 15 years

[neat vortex]

I don't think any earthling was born under a double lunar eclipse XD

[floral talon]

im definitely a scorched earth type then

[neat vortex]

Oh, this is easier to reference https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Palian_Astrology

Too bad, onyx is one of my favorite stones

[sterile goblet]

I'm an earth citrine type but I feel like they don't match uppp

Citrine: Carefree, fun, mercurial, unreliable

[floral talon]

oh im an emerald interesting

[sterile goblet]

Earth-type personalities are stubborn, practical, and honest — often to a fault.

[neat vortex]

But you, yourself, the one typing right now (not your Ancient Human game avatar) were not born under Luna-the-Dragon-moon at all

whereas you, yourself, the one typing, presumably DID choose all those dialogue options, assuming you were answering as yourself and not roleplaying a character