🧠｜serious-chat

[lime rose]

only betting to guys from dagestan => easy profit for you

i get a new car after a last 293 ufc? yep mb

[formal scaffold]

My method is simple, I focus on stamina and breathing, and every other training becomes easier after

[humble lion]

Hello..
Just wanted to share this short masterpiece🥰🥰🥰

[lime rose]

is khabib technical? how you do grepling with legs?

[formal scaffold]

Idk tbh, i know the basic restrain one leg and let them carry your weight

[humble lion]

That video has 120M views, they day it reaches 121M is bcz of me😭😭

Really?😂

Well

Nvm then😂

[thorny steeple]

Perfect voice 💗

[humble lion]

Indeed😭😭

[supple ridge]

lets talk serious things like cocomelon or idono on a very serious things

[formal scaffold]

I hate words like antisemitism or homophobia

[supple ridge]

good for you

[maiden path]

this is the first time i've ever heard these concepts

[thorny steeple]

antisemitism is the act of discrimination and racism against the Jews, which is nowadays used excessively against anyone who dares to practice his freedom of speech rights and oppose them, homophobia is the act of discrimination and racism against homosexuals, which as you might already guessed, is a term that's being abused and thrown to anyone who dares to oppose homosexuality.

[maiden path]

are jews or homosexuality special people or what

[thorny steeple]

it's shocking for me that you haven't heard about either of those terms, they are so popular, just throw them on anyone you don't like, they have a strong effect on how others will perceive that person.

[thorny steeple]

they are to certain agendas.

[maiden path]

not the best at notions like those

[thorny steeple]

I'm Very serious.

[formal scaffold]

that's wrong

at least according to me, it is used to mean that but the word holds another sense which is why I hate it

[sand badge]

What does Incest mean

[sand badge]

Oh

[formal scaffold]

https://cdn.britannica.com/50/117850-050-42864BA5/Relationships-languages-Semitic.jpg

[terse flame]

Guys, any study tips to memorize a lot of sheets ( literally)of information in under 9 hour?

[jolly agate]

Mesmerise the easy bits.

that way you can at least pass.

[muted glade]

anybody excited for season 5

[jolly agate]

Season 5 of what

[livid hawk]

Ask questions here, maybe someone will answer.

You have to specify your question. I don't know how to answer because the subject is broad.

Hmm Poles love a soccer/football, volleyball, ski jumping. I don't take part at vc for now.

If you don't wish to make a text interview, I'm going to sleep

Wish you'll find someone

[uneven reef]

everyone must have different opinions, I can accept ur opinion thanks for answering me

[lapis mulch]

hey

[high sorrel]

is anyone here a U.S immagrint?

[abstract cypress]

Antisemitism is a valid term directed at people who hate Jewish people just because of them being Jewish.

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the upper light

[cursive bobcat]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[bleak quiver]

heyoo

[worn pond]

Upper light?

[serene birch]

It's just a play on words where Zionists find a way to portray themselves as sweet individuals. Just like anarchy, although anarchy is a political term such as monarchy, oligarchy, theocracy and so on, it introduced anarchy to the whole world after the French revolution, almost all empires held a meeting in the Ottoman Empire(in Constantinople) and decided that this had a destructive effect on systems such as monarchy and told the public that anarchy was the same as terrorism or chaos. It's like they accept that it happened. That's why people have been manipulated by some terminology for tens of hundred years. In fact, these are the exact opposite of everything. Antiseminitism is not hostility towards Jews, but Anti-Zionism...

[abstract cypress]

So you're saying antisemitism is fake and Jews have never experienced discrimination? What a horrible thing to say. Antisemitism quite literally means discrimination against Jews

[serene birch]

Why do people hate each other for no reason? Or are all Germans Nazis?

Why are we classified or divided into terminologies?

Why do we always present ourselves as victims or murderers?

Is overyone really innocent? or is everything just a theater?

[serene birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0faSzYcmbM&ab_channel=CGTNAmerica
I'm not trying to say horrible things, people are very horrible.

[abstract cypress]

does this justify antisemitism?

[serene birch]

What will happen If i say yes? will you be happy?

[abstract cypress]

I'd be disgusted tbh

[serene birch]

Why do you always pull people this way and that way?

[abstract cypress]

Such a low life if you say yes

[abstract cypress]

Don't think I need to say this but holy hell antisemitism is wrong

[serene birch]

Why do you always try to judge and decide me like I'm a bad person?

[abstract cypress]

Racism is wrong

[serene birch]

Did I say I'm racist stupid?

[abstract cypress]

I don't. Anyone who defends antisemitism is bad. Do you feel like defending it?

[serene birch]

Come to your senses and know your place.

[abstract cypress]

Yes my senses are telling me that antisemitism, like all forms of racism, is wrong

[serene birch]

Blocked sorry

[abstract cypress]

🤷‍♂️

[serene birch]

You don't read, you just judge to me for no reason with an anger. I told you what happened, read what I wrote 2-3 times.

toxic

[viscid willow]

According to my experience, being with someone who motivates you to do better in life is very important. Without doubt, everybody who live in this planet want to live long even who can go to the heavens and want to become successful in their career. "Chance favors the prepared mind." So in order to become success we have to prepare for our future and motivation is very important for our us to boost.
Beautiful minds inspire others and Every single time you help somebody stand up, you are helping humanity rise. So I totally agree with the opinion of "Being with someone who motivates us to do better in life is important." Anyway, I am not sure my opinion make sense but I sincerely hope it can be little helpful and a lot of help from your kindness.

[abstract cypress]

It's just a play on words where Zionists find a way to portray themselves as sweet individuals.

Antiseminitism is not hostility towards Jews, but Anti-Zionism...

You're denying antisemitism exists and apparently justifying it. This is not okay. Because I read what you wrote, I can respond to it. If I didn't read it I wouldn't respond to you.

[serene birch]

Let's imagine that the Russians re-established the USSR and established military bases and nuclear warheads in Mexico. Would America invade here just like Russia invaded Ukraine?

[serene birch]

Unless you learn to be objective, you will not able to understand what people say.

[abstract cypress]

I'm literally quoting you saying "antisemitism is just a play on words"

Imagine calling racism "just a play on words"

This has got nothing to do with isr*el or whatever, antisemitism refers to jews, not isr-el

[serene birch]

I strongly recommend again that you read it carefully. You are only stuck on one side, you need to look at the general view. And you are disturbing me, please do not talk to me. I don't want to be rude to you.

[abstract cypress]

the general view is that antisemitism is horrible 😭

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism

[serene birch]

I also mentioned about anarchy there. And how people are manipulated with this terminology.

[abstract cypress]

if you don't want to be corrected for apologizing about discrimination then maybe don't post things in a channel called "serious chat"?

[abstract cypress]

and how is antisemitism manipulative

[serene birch]

Sorry

[abstract cypress]

is racism manipulative too

yeah I should've known better talking to a haughty and prideful person

[serene birch]

I've been questioning this for months.

[crimson island]

What y'all talking bout

[jolly agate]

Wait I got a question. If magic doesn’t exist does it god doesn’t exist. Since they have a direct correlation to each other.

But if god exists which many of us believe. Does it mean that magic also exists.

[thorny steeple]

What makes you think that existence of God is based on existence of magic?

[jolly agate]

It’s literally on every religious book.

[thorny steeple]

Also as long you can't prove that something does exist doesn't mean it doesn't

[jolly agate]

So we can’t prove that magic exist does it mean it doesn’t exist?

[thorny steeple]

No, it can, just because you don't have proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[jolly agate]

That’s all I wanted to hear.

thanx

[thorny steeple]

People i past probably also thought that space doesn't exist, and as we know now, it does.

Or does it? It's up to you to decide.

[abstract cypress]

first you need to define what god is

if god as in the ultimate cause, then you can prove god through purely logical reasoning, thus god exists

[lavish finch]

Following

What we see here over the past three hours is called a role lock.

It’s not just a personal problem. It’s created by all of us.

There are ways to undo it if you want to.

It’s an unpleasant dynamic to be stuck in.

The first step to undoing it is to talk to the whole group, not just the one person directly.

The next step is to talk about ourselves and in general rather than comment personally about the other person we don’t like.

Additionally you can talk about what is important to you without making personal comments, especially critical comments, of another person.

Would someone tell me what you heard me say please.

@abstract cypress I bet you can.

[craggy sphinx]

Are you saying it's not?

[thorny steeple]

I am taking my self more as middle-light class, thank you.

[craggy sphinx]

I don't care what you think of me

This will not change anything

[thorny steeple]

Well, I didn't say anything against you, but okay. Did something happened? You are more grumpy than usual.

@lavish finch got it, just don't have much time to answer properly as i am at work rn

[jolly agate]

@lavish finch what you essentially saying is that we are taking way to personally that we forgetting about other people also exist in this server.

And we have to talk in a manner that will let other people join in our conversation, without feeling like they are disturbing us.

You also saying we shouldn’t say anything personal that will trigger other person to say something that could cause a conflict between each other.

if I’m wrong somewhere or I missed something you are free to correct me

[thorny steeple]

🇮🇱 🇵🇸 Both of you guys will never find peace.

[craggy sphinx]

grumpy?

[thorny steeple]

You sounded more grumpy than normally, while reading it, in my head.

[jolly agate]

It’s not him that’s grumpy it’s a image that you have created of his in your mind that is grumpy. He could be laughing right now.

[craggy sphinx]

I'm not "arguing"

dispute is comparable to Holivar. 90%Disputes is a type of clowning.

I prefer communication rather than rhetoric.

[craggy sphinx]

You can imagine anything, but you can't guarantee the reliability of your thoughts

[thorny steeple]

Yea,i am aware of it sadly.

[thorny steeple]

What's your definition of peace?

[craggy sphinx]

Don't worry, it's not necessary

You don't have to think about the truth of your thoughts

[thorny steeple]

The way it is meant to be defined.

[worn pond]

You said upper light, what do you mean by that

[formal scaffold]

you can't be smite and antisemite at the same time lolz

[craggy sphinx]

This means that we are a self-fulfilling prophecy

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRXPImNyMXM

[formal scaffold]

"Conversation between the neck and the sword" that made me speechless

[vernal spade]

Does anyone here heard about Quora application?

[formal scaffold]

Application is a no no word here .. try here maybe https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1029442771070754866

[formal scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-the-last-airbender-avatar-nickelodeon-animation-gif-14828324

[thorny steeple]

india is underdeveloped

[ornate siren]

Agreed

[meager agate]

Guys

Should i use emote before question mark or after?

or shouldnt i use question mark with emote?

[craggy sphinx]

hello
don't quite understand what you mean, but - #📚｜english-questions

[meager agate]

thank you for reminding

[craggy sphinx]

don't worry , good luck !

[thorny steeple]

Does buddhism way of resurrection have chance of being human again in next life?

[thorny steeple]

do you mean reincarnation?

oh yea, reincarnation.

[thorny steeple]

this is Hinduism as far as I know, Hindus believe that if a person dies they'll be reincarnated in as another species, it could be human which is the best form to be reincarnated as, or any other living creature, depending on your good/evil deeds during your life.

[thorny steeple]

I see, it will be probably Hinduism, i have headache for whole day, so my brain is not working properly today. Hm, hoped to hear opposite, as if there's possibility of being reincarnated as human, i won't risk it.

[thorny steeple]

you could be reincarnated as a human according to their belief, but it requires a certain amount of good deeds, bear in mind that I'm no expert in Hinduism, but during my journey of finding the right religion, I studied Hinduism, so please take my words with a grain of salt.

[craggy sphinx]

I remembered an anime called "Jobbless reincarnation"

It does a good job of what you're saying now, but the anime itself seems silly to me

[visual vessel]

Hey guys, if anyone is interested in joining an extracurricular related to advocating, blogging, and content creating, that gives you 1-2 volunteering hours per week, free skill development training guides/workshops, and potential leadership opportunities, lmk

[lethal terrace]

@visual vessel i want

[simple sky]

@static pivot Hi! I don't think its ok for you to say ''the gates of hell are open...jump in'' its not okay at all.

[formal scaffold]

there's reincarnation even in Buddhism since it started from old Hinduism

Although they perceive it diffrently

[thorny steeple]

ignorance is not a bliss.

ignorance will ruin your life.

don't be ignorant.

[simple sky]

ya

[thorny steeple]

explore new things, learn, read books, and be a wise person.

[craggy sphinx]

hello
I don't think so

[simple sky]

dont learn it the hard way...

[craggy sphinx]

Not exactly.

I've explained this many times in the chat, in a nutshell:
Human beings are subjective and rational beings, which means that we can make mistakes. It also shows our ignorance

We can get close to perfection

[craggy sphinx]

yes, but doing these things for no reason is useless. especially, read books

I have to go, answer later

[simple sky]

so bc as human beings we have in some way or at some point in our lives, we have been ignrant means that we should embrace and be ignorant and thats its good for us?

Nobody is perfect. We all have scars. We've all made mistakes but that doesn tmean we should continue to do those mistakes.

unless I didn't understand ur point very well

[grave otter]

anyone know what mean "lg" ? ( on english , to response to a question )

[formal scaffold]

I guess I know

Ig is an acronym for "I guess"

or it can be also an acronym for "Instagram"

[grave otter]

haha

its a L

[formal scaffold]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/ptmJCuxDGzKPCtRZsHBFl5Ed6wdAZhHEEeYFdMiux6Zvq8K_EP7JcFyWv-CKbcA9rMqFyzMRU7MEGy4=s640-nd-v1

[worn bolt]

👍

Ofc

[jolly agate]

Usa is messed up

[jolly agate]

Buddhism is a religion that started from the Buddha but According to Hindu methodology Buddha is a 9th avatar of load Vishnu. so the relationship between Hinduism and Buddhism is quite analogue. the same thing can be said form the Christianity and Islam.

[jolly agate]

Disagree

Ignorance is a bliss

[rotund fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[jolly agate]

Does the prophet says to what extent you should conceal one’s fault. like there has to be a limit for it right?

[formal scaffold]

Hadith and quran has this style of generalizing an idea and mentioning the exception in other parts so you have to study the relegion as a whole to get the message

for example (when it comes to the permission of concealing) if somebody commits a crime you have to bring witneesses according to the degree of the crime

[vocal rapids]

i hope the Americans and European people see the truth and that their government supporting the criminal and nazi jews

[static pivot]

Hello

[mortal sleet]

Hello everyone! So I've been struggling to make a spoken poetry cause I really don't know how to make one, our teacher gave this project on us. So is there anyone here that is good in poetry that can give me advice?

[covert raptor]

Even the Arab countries don't seem to care

[jolly agate]

poetry isn't real It's an efficient way to use language in some reality to another.

#📚｜english-questions and #📝｜proofreading use those two severs to get feed back on your poet.

[jolly agate]

You didn’t listen to his words carefully

let’s say you are playing chess.

And you lost why do you think you lost.

because you made mistakes

let’s take this to high level

let’s say two grand masters are player chess

why do you think one of them lost and other didn’t

precisely one of them made a mistake

That’s why he lost

let’s say both of the grand masters played another game but this none made any mistakes what do u think the consequences going to be ye it would be a draw.

Let’s say two stok fish played against each other 1000 matches

What do u think the end result going to be. Ye it would be a draw because that’s perfect computer.

[jolly agate]

That’s why he said we can get close to perfection.

So no matter how smart we get. Unless we input a chip in our brains we will continue to do ignorant things. Even if we learn from old mistakes we will make new ones.

Did I make myself clear. Or more explanation is needed.

[abstract cypress]

N*zi jews ☠️☠️☠️☠️

[lapis mulch]

hey

[craggy sphinx]

Why should it be good or bad?

As this man said @jolly agate , We're always going to make mistakes, I call it a never-ending cycle. Some people say they're 100% sure of everything, but they're fools who don't realize how subjective they are

If you think you can be sure of something, then you have to prove it.

I will say in advance that this is impossible and you will just waste your time

[lavish finch]

Yes, thank you.

[craggy sphinx]

This is not necessary, as you cannot 100% claim it

but ok

[main bison]

what will happened if hitler won the world war 2?

[lavish finch]

We’d be speaking German.

[main bison]

hey
What happened to Hitler's corpse?

[jolly agate]

we never found his corpse

[main bison]

shit

i wanna visit his grave

[jolly agate]

he’s dead anyway

[main bison]

may god forgive him

[jolly agate]

What even is a god?

[main bison]

oh man
Are u an atheist?

[jolly agate]

nope

just asking

How do u define god

[main bison]

So how dont u know what the god is

idk

we just believe in god

[lavish finch]

Thank god I don’t believe in god.

[jolly agate]

well I believe in god. But what I’m asking is how do u define it.

[jolly agate]

care enlighten me.

[main bison]

well
I should ask father

[jolly agate]

do we believe in ghost.

[jolly agate]

good luck with that. you can enlighten us once you got the answer

[jolly agate]

That’s a liars paradox btw.

[main bison]

Whaaat

i got it

the red button is true

[jolly agate]

that means the red button is untrue.

It’s a loop

[craggy sphinx]

shish

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch Do you know any good website, YouTube channel, or book that can help me learn formal American English with correct grammar and structure? I want to go through sentence formation and learn it precisely.

[craggy sphinx]

How can this be determined? there is no definition here, it is a kind of Dogma

[serene birch]

How should we address ethical concerns related to the use of articifial intelligence in various aspects of life, such as privacy, hob displacement, and decision-making?

"job displacement"

[jolly agate]

@thorny steeple You not at the wrong place however you may wanna ask people form #🗃｜resources #📚｜english-questions about your question.

[jolly agate]

If you look long enough in darkness, you will eventually find light.

[jolly agate]

Many people find their own understanding and meaning in the concept of God, and these interpretations can vary. It's a topic that depends on one's personal beliefs and experiences.

[craggy sphinx]

how? Prove it

[craggy sphinx]

maybe

[jolly agate]

It’s an optimistic and profound phrase. that’s means that even in the darkest and difficult time there is possibility for light meaning enlightenment or positive thing to happen.

[craggy sphinx]

ok , by definition, this is the case.

[jolly agate]

ye.

[craggy sphinx]

also by definition that 1 + 1 = 2

[humble lion]

2 + 2?

[jolly agate]

Sometimes, things don't appear as they are you have to look beyond them.

[craggy sphinx]

But prove it, it's impossible.

[jolly agate]

what is one first.

[craggy sphinx]

If you give examples, it's not exactly what is called proof

Like, you have one apple and + one apple

At the same time, there are problems with the evidence, because you give me reasons.

[jolly agate]

Why do u want me to prove something is impossible when it’s literally mathematically true.

[craggy sphinx]

This is true by definition. How do you know that the math is correct?

[jolly agate]

Well let’s say number one does not have the value of one it has the value of two but we call it 1. now if you say 1 + 1 = 2 that would be false because the number 1 means two and number 2 mean one. The correct answer would be 1 + 1 = 4.

[craggy sphinx]

How do you know it's a lie?

[jolly agate]

Prove it it’s a lie

[craggy sphinx]

I don't know anything, so I'm asking you to prove it before you assert.

I can't guarantee anything 100%.

I don't have the knowledge.

[jolly agate]

If you don’t know anything so how do u it’s a lie??

you are stumbling upon your own words.

[craggy sphinx]

I didn't say it was false or true

[jolly agate]

What’s the meaning of lie my friend

[craggy sphinx]

I only have assumptions

[craggy sphinx]

no

I ask you for proof, because you claim that your example is correct

[dusty lodge]

Hi guys! I need your advice. I really struggle with improving my speaking or fluency. I tried just practicing speaking but seems like it won't help I don't feel improvement with regular practices

[craggy sphinx]

ok

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure about that, never been a fan of Buddhism, and I haven't studied it that much, it seemed like an obvious man-made religion.

[jolly agate]

Ohk

I was waiting from him to type

[craggy sphinx]

I'll give you an example, maybe it will be clearer

[formal scaffold]

Not sure where I read about the Buddha prince it was a while ago, but I think he adapted some hiindu teachings

[thorny steeple]

although, I know that some Buddhists reject the idea of an ultimate creator (God), while Hinduism have tones of Gods to worship.

Buddhism also seemed to me like another atheistic ideology.

[formal scaffold]

leaving will read what ur post))

[thorny steeple]

yes, there are some commonalities between the two, maybe Buddhism was inspired by Hinduism, but again, I'm not sure.

[craggy sphinx]

Statement: Palm trees are not trees, but a type of grass.

Use the scientific method, take samples of all trees, all grasses ,then compare it to palm trees. Then they say, the result indicates what is more likely true.How do they know this? Maybe the result is misleading

[jolly agate]

Explain it well bud. you saying you comparing all the trees and grass with the palm tree which is basically a grass.

What are you trying to find

[craggy sphinx]

sorry, but I don't think you understand that

[serene birch]

I tried but I lost my sight completely.

[jolly agate]

if I go with the statement the palm trees ain’t tree since your statement says they are grass.

[jolly agate]

Read it then @serene birch

[jolly agate]

Ye I definitely did not.

[jolly agate]

How do u know this statement is true.

[serene birch]

If there is no light there is no life?

[jolly agate]

Is that what it says their

[thorny steeple]

hello guys, what's up?

[jolly agate]

What’s sup

[serene birch]

Is life a positive thing or a negative thing?

[thorny steeple]

nothing much, what about you, what's topic currently?

[jolly agate]

it’s both

[jolly agate]

He asking me some questions

[serene birch]

What is " a negative or positive"?

[jolly agate]

Which you free to reply @thorny steeple

[jolly agate]

Flare @flare what’s the answer.

[thorny steeple]

I believe life is a mixture of both.

[jolly agate]

I know

[humble lion]

I have been writing smthn for 10 mins

In end i send, it says its too long and deletes it

[serene birch]

But question is; what is "negative or positive"?

How do we categorize good or bad?

Let's go a little further and we will reach the selfishness of human beings and other creatures.

[jolly agate]

Now u know you don’t type that big

[thorny steeple]

both have many definitions, depending on the context.

[humble lion]

I just want what i wrote backkkkk

[jolly agate]

also don’t types any related to lgbtq if you typing something long. The bot will delete your answer. so type them on their seperate line.

[serene birch]

So you are saying that it is impolsbbile to determine positive or negative in a judgment where good and bad are not certain?

[thorny steeple]

good and bad are highly subjective terms, yet they could be objective if you believe in a religion like Islam.

[serene birch]

Is it different in Christianity and Judaism? lol

[jolly agate]

well let’s say you going home. A bird pooped on you is that a positive thing or negative thing.

[thorny steeple]

no, I gave Islam as an example, which is the religion I affiliate to.

[thorny steeple]

I'm saying it could be subjective.

[serene birch]

In my opinion, this is a negative situation for me. But according to many people, this is the law of nature and it was meant to be. Because if the bird had not done this, it would have encountered many problems.

[jolly agate]

it’s a subjective choice and depends on your own experience and perspective. Another man’s trash is another man’s blessings and another man’s blessing is another man’s trash

[serene birch]

This is where the nonsenses begins.

[jolly agate]

But what if I say that a tree fell right before your eyes and you got save because the bird pooped on you.

[thorny steeple]

what are you trying to imply?

[craggy sphinx]

You remember the gist, don't you? Try to shorten

[jolly agate]

Would that still negative situation.

or positive

[serene birch]

IT changes from side to side. As I mean, we come to the selfishness of human beings and the selfishness of other beings.

.

[jolly agate]

How does my example have anything to do with selfishness.

Elaborate please

[serene birch]

There is no right or wrong right now. We only need to dominate this globally, we need to make clear judgements on each other.

[jolly agate]

I’m literally trying to make you understanding this.

listen my words and answer them clearly

[serene birch]

If the tree does not fall on me, I will survive and not be injured, but if it falls on others, it is okay. Positive to me versus negative to them.

[jolly agate]

Don’t hide behind the bush

[jolly agate]

I never said there were other people you imagined them. Just like other people can imagine that the tree that fell on those people were people who started the war of Ukraine and Russia.

[thorny steeple]

I don't think so, I believe there is an objective source of morality and therefore there is objective right and wrong, I think the notion of subjective right and wrong and the subjectivity of morality comes from nihilism.

[jolly agate]

It’s a subjective thing and positive and negative depends on your own perspective

[serene birch]

Let's talk objectively, please. I'm not judging you. I'm speaking from a general perspective. I invite you to that region.

[jolly agate]

ok then a astroid was so close to hitting the earth that it could have been the cause for human extinction.

is that a positive or negative

situation

[serene birch]

Our personal perspective are shaped according to our individual interests.

[serene birch]

When 😄

[jolly agate]

so it’s a positive things right.

??

[serene birch]

Not from our perspective. but for nature yes.

Earth's nature

not forest or e.t.c

[jolly agate]

My bad

[serene birch]

For the earth, it would be like putting a syringe into its body, which is full of viruses.

[jolly agate]

ok let’s continue

[jolly agate]

Why not from our prospective. The astroid didn’t hit the eart

shouldn’t we be as happy as the nature

[serene birch]

Oh! I thought it crashed.

[jolly agate]

This guy

on the other hand their could be people who wanted the astroid to hit the earth and end their suffering and there would be people who would not wish that astroid to hit the earth.

it all depends on one’s perceptive.

you happiness could be my sadness.

And my happiness could be your sadness.

[serene birch]

So as a result, as I stated. We come to "selfishness".

[jolly agate]

How you got the conclusion as selfishness

[serene birch]

There is no real right or wrong, good or bad, positive or negative, There is only interests.

[jolly agate]

So what Israel doing isn’t wrong either right

word war 2 wasn’t wrong either

Hitler killed Jews wasn’t wrong either

Ukraine and Russia was wasn’t wrong either

people suffer so other people can have food on their table isn’t wrong either

[serene birch]

Isn't it already?

[thorny steeple]

lol, I think philosophy will ruin your lives guys.

[jolly agate]

this guy won’t understand such simple thing

[jolly agate]

Well Game’s Game

[craggy sphinx]

I don't know anything. I don't have the knowledge.

[serene birch]

As I said, the only truth is that we need to dominate these sensitivities globally, where right or wrong will be decided collectively. We need to stop this nonse about freem of experession(speech). There is no such thing as democracy madness.

[serene birch]

don't talk nonsese.

[jolly agate]

How do u know that you don’t know anything

So does it mean you do know that you don’t know anything

?

[craggy sphinx]

This is eclecticism, not a question

[jolly agate]

why you jumping topics now.

[craggy sphinx]

no , How do you know I know anything?

[jolly agate]

you said you don’t know anything

[serene birch]

I have to back to work, ladies and gentelmens. thank fyou for the chat, I wish you all happines and wars with your egos.

[jolly agate]

I was only pointing out your words

[craggy sphinx]

ye

[serene birch]

Try to not kill eachother and keep in peace.

[craggy sphinx]

what?

[jolly agate]

He’s being sarcastic

[serene birch]

At least try it regularly.

IT was very confused for a second when I said that lol.
At least try it regularly. -> "Try to not kill eachother and keep in peace."

[craggy sphinx]

lol , I probably didn't kill anyone

[thorny steeple]

our mind creates a world of perceptions, anything that is based on these perceptions is called subjective, in order for something to be objective, it must be outside of us, but due to the absence of consciousness in the outside world, objective morality and truth will only be sourced from the ultimate creator, God, if you don't believe in him then you can easily fall into the realm of nihilism, which is a pretty difficult situation where you can't believe anything and will be in doubt of everything, basically you'll be skeptic of even the simplest and most fundamental facts in the world, that's why I think it's of no avail to argue with a nihilist, he/she can shatter any common ground between you and them, which should be the start point of your discussion essentially.

[craggy sphinx]

Yes, nihilism is destructive

[serene birch]

But I guess you're not completely sure. There is still a little bit doubt.

[craggy sphinx]

yes, because I can't be 100% sure

[serene birch]

After thinking about it while, I decided that you are right.

[jolly agate]

Well you said you don’t know anything. At least even if you are unsure you do know something

I will take that as a plus.

[craggy sphinx]

I knew you'd say that

[jolly agate]

😂😂😂

[craggy sphinx]

A contradiction, isn't it?

[jolly agate]

How do u know what’s contradiction.

[craggy sphinx]

And how do I know that this is so?

[jolly agate]

hahaha

[craggy sphinx]

Bro, don't make me talk.

[jolly agate]

you literally annoyed me for so long.

ain’t no way I’m letting you go easily

or thinks that god does not exist

[thorny steeple]

as I said, if you don't believe in him, you'll most probably become a nihilist if you start thinking about morality, good, bad, and evil etc...

[jolly agate]

my bad didn’t saw that got your point now.

[thorny steeple]

I don't like nihilism at all, for nihilists they are absolutely worthless and have no value, nothing is.

[craggy sphinx]

No, it's just that you can't answer the questions🙃

[jolly agate]

It’s in-fact unlikable

they basically are worse then atheist

[thorny steeple]

I think this disconnects them from reality at some point, some nihilists also commit suicide or live an unbearable life of internal suffrage.

[jolly agate]

don’t you think they lack courage to face the reality.

[thorny steeple]

I think they lack everything bro. 😂

[jolly agate]

😂😂

God must have forgot to side the nihilist ones

Any way

I gtgo

Sleeps important

laterz

[thorny steeple]

goodnight my friend.

[serene birch]

I think the Hezbollah leader is now declaring war on Israel.

The situation looks like it's going to get much worse...

He described it as a "holy war".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE&ab_channel=SkyNews

[vocal rapids]

do you want them to interfere so USA do the same thing they did to iraq to them
france and USA an Britain are helping Israel and just waiting to get any reason to come with their mass distrecution weapons to steal other property and assets and they will say the same line "we are keeping peace"

[vocal rapids]

but i dont deny that there's arab country that helping Israel but the most is because what is said

[dry kindle]

global channel

[craggy sphinx]

shh..

@ornate siren hey!

[ornate siren]

Hello

[craggy sphinx]

What are you doing?

I rarely see you in this chat

[ornate siren]

I don't come here nowadays. I dislike everything about war that has been going here lately.

[craggy sphinx]

ye

I hate this filth.

[devout shale]

do you think reality is an illusion made up by our minds?

[devout shale]

or a simulation?

new scientific study attempted to find evidence of the simulation theory

https://www.earth.com/news/earth-is-a-virtual-world-and-humans-play-the-roles-of-its-characters-new-study/

[thorny steeple]

Nah, our whole universe is just a grain of sand in cat box of giant multi-universe cat

[devout shale]

@thorny steeple you mean we live in a catverse?

[thorny steeple]

Maybe~

[devout shale]

interesting

could the hawking radiation be the catverse purr?

[thorny steeple]

Sure, like big bang could be just big poop

[devout shale]

hmm, what about black holes then?

[main bison]

hello

[thorny steeple]

I can't even talk anymore, Israel just bombed the entrance of Al-Shifaa hospital, this freaking country deserves the worst punishment there is. 😢

and anyone one who supports it is 100% terrorist and criminal sympathizer, anyone who supports Israel even a little is the most filthy and disgusting person to me.

[rocky hatch]

who asked?

[thorny steeple]

are you talking to me?

[rocky hatch]

who else

[thorny steeple]

it's none of your business who asked, and I don't need anyone to ask me for my opinion so that I can share it, I'll share it any time I want.

[rocky hatch]

who is the almighty the greatest in this world?

[thorny steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjbospL2n0

[thorny steeple]

warning: the video may contain disturbing footage.

[thorny steeple]

they only attack civilians 'cause they are a bunch of cowards, they are so hurt of how humiliated they are against zero-range combats against Hamas, yet you still find people claim Israel is defending itself, I can't even return the word and say these are the real human animals, 'cause even animals would be insulted by comparing them to those folks.

[humble lion]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzMAE-lqXcG/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

saleh_aljafarawi

قصو باب مستشفى الشفاء 😭💔
عشرات الش8داء والأصابات 😭💔💔

The occupation bombed the door of Al-Shifa Hospital Dozens of martyrs and injuries 😭💔💔

Likes

529424

Instagram

From people's perspective

disturbing content in the video

[thorny steeple]

I've seen the video, heart shattering! I just didn't want to post it due to the severe graphic content.

💔

[humble lion]

[vernal spade]

Now they airstrike the library in the school 😭😭😭

[thorny steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_K0gzxgilU

just when you think they've reached the rock-bottom. 😢

their evil has no limit, they must be held accountable and face the worst punishments there is, but don't worry, Israel is just so internally devastated, frustrated and desperate due to how much they are humiliated against the resistance, that's why they have no choice but to release their rage on innocent civilians who've done nothing wrong.

[thorny steeple]

antı zıonısm ıs not antı semitism guys

[craggy sphinx]

What is this?

[covert raptor]

What's the point? Arabs countries don't care. They could at least sanction and stop trade but they don't.

[covert raptor]

You don't have to directly interfere, but just sanction and stop trading with them

[thorny steeple]

Isrealean sources said this and somebody believe because of this ı wanted to say only

[covert raptor]

Turkey was asked to do the same, block supplying the 60% of oil to Israel. Erdogan did protests and all of that show, but zero actions.

[thorny steeple]

here in Egypt we stopped consuming any of their products, they'll go bankrupt soon Inshallah.

[thorny steeple]

erdogan can't make any real protest against ısreal at now,American supplies are arriving to Isreal through american bases in Turkey

Erdogan can say everything about western countries ısreal and ammerica but all of this for election campaign,turkey is connected with USA and it is not a real independent country,ıt has got 20 amerıcan bases

[covert raptor]

Oil is a powerful weapon Arabs have. Unfortunately, profits matter more than the death of innocent civilians

[thorny steeple]

ı agree

[covert raptor]

It powers Zionist machines, tanks and vehicles

[covert raptor]

It's shown now he's a fake puppet

[thorny steeple]

Yes,Selcuk Bayraktar was in american ship before War

[jolly agate]

Do I question the existence of god now because if he existed shouldn’t he would do something to prevent this horrendous thing that’s happening right now.

[thorny steeple]

His gift to us was our free will, and our consequences are our to solve so why should he interfere?

[jolly agate]

or I do think that he is neither good or bad. He’s neutral and he’s only job is maintain the balance in the universe.

[thorny steeple]

He will deal with them after they die.

[jolly agate]

hope he will.

[formal scaffold]

I agree only If he was "a human god"

[thorny steeple]

If he was "a human god" he would be evil, as power corrupts humans.

[jolly agate]

Is Jesus a human god

or Buddha

[thorny steeple]

I think about those more as messengers than a human gods

[jolly agate]

they still consider gods

[formal scaffold]

that's not necessary true

[thorny steeple]

It's not necessary, but it's most likely

as humans are not perfect, everyone can be corrupted

[jolly agate]

Not all humans

they are people are out their that have attain peace that most of will never even get close too

[thorny steeple]

Allah has already made his promise "So do not be in haste against them, for indeed We are ˹closely˺ counting down their days" [Quran 19:84], "And say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “˹This is˺ the truth from your Lord. Whoever wills let them believe, and whoever wills let them disbelieve.” Surely We have prepared for the wrongdoers a Fire whose walls will ˹completely˺ surround them. When they cry for aid, they will be aided with water like molten metal, which will burn ˹their˺ faces. What a horrible drink! And what a terrible place to rest!" [Quran 18:29].
don't be so in rush, their days are being counted, and what they do only worsen their destiny.

[formal scaffold]

There are 3 points here:
1- Your definition for good doesn't equal the definition of good for god always,
2- Your value for life especially human life isn't the same as god's
3- Your wisdome is limited to action/reaction, while god wisdome it's fate itself

[wind relic]

HELLO PEOPLE

IM A NEW INTEGRAL IN THIS GROUP

they can help me ?

[thorny steeple]

@formal scaffold you are christian right? Do you take Allah as another version of your God, or you take it as different being?

[formal scaffold]

I'm not christian

[thorny steeple]

really?

[jolly agate]

Haha

[formal scaffold]

...

[wind relic]

what you are ?

[jolly agate]

That’s a personal question

[thorny steeple]

wdym it's personal question

[formal scaffold]

I'm muslim chill guys

[jolly agate]

well now you know

[thorny steeple]

don't forget that an innocent soul being killed equals the whole humanity being killed, Allah values human life more than we'll ever do, "That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.1 ˹Although˺ Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land." [Quran 5:32].
when Allah delays a punishment he only waits until they make themselves the worst punishment imaginable.

[wind relic]

sorry

[thorny steeple]

Okay, that explains a lot

[wind relic]

what is your country ?

[formal scaffold]

For us saving a human is to keep them alive, since death is the worst outcome

[wind relic]

im from brazil

[wind relic]

what you what to say whit this?

[hot galleon]

True

[formal scaffold]

The ultimate mercy for me is being taken while god is satisfied with my life, a good ending, death itself

[hot galleon]

You're atheist ?

[formal scaffold]

Don't forget life for us is a test, while we do evil to each other we can't blame god for not stopping it under no circumstances

he's not our servant

[jolly agate]

what if we kill and we save. what if we lie while protecting the ones who lied. what would god do if our negative balance out the positive.

[vocal rapids]

arab presidents and kings either they are to afraid for their chair or doesn't represent their people

[formal scaffold]

first we should think, Do we deserve god saving us, and will this saving lead us to the best outcome?

[jolly agate]

I would rather not make assumptions based thing we see right now. there is always something we never know.

[thorny steeple]

me either, I hope my death is as a martyr (Shaheed).

[formal scaffold]

such is the butterfly effect, nobody has knowledge over fate

[thorny steeple]

surely life is a mere test.

[jolly agate]

Life is a beautiful mess

[thorny steeple]

only Allah knows the best of people's core, and knows who deserves hell or paradise.

[vocal rapids]

no its about now and the past

[hot galleon]

nobody has perfect knowledge

[jolly agate]

Sure

[hot galleon]

If someone has behaved well all their life (work, kindness, generosity) and doesn't believe in God, does it deserves hell ?

[jolly agate]

no

[formal scaffold]

Ofc, you deny his blessings, no work is deemed worthy without proper intentions

in Islam ofc

[jolly agate]

No he would not deserve hell

[thorny steeple]

depends, does he/she do that for the sake of Allah and the paradise?

[hot galleon]

Do you think that's fair ?

[thorny steeple]

What if he doesn't believe in either of those?

[formal scaffold]

Absolutely fair

the only exception are for those who never heard about god, or relegion

[hot galleon]

No, because believe isn't a choice

[jolly agate]

god does mind if his creation doesn’t like it’s creator. he only wishes best for us.

[hot galleon]

It's the reason of your mind

[thorny steeple]

This reminds me quote from Annie Dillard: “Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?”

[thorny steeple]

surely he/she doesn't, they essentially don't believe in him, they are doing that to be awarded in life, which will probably be the case, and therefore they don't essentially wait to enter paradise, they don't care.

[formal scaffold]

it's a test for a reason you have all this time lived, meeting all this people and you refuse to recognise who gave you everything you have, that is unfair in itself

If we are to talk about fairness, it's unfair that we are breathing right now, we can do nothing in return to pay back for that

[hot galleon]

If I told you 10 times that earth is flat and I say if you don't believe that you're gonna to the hell, I don't think you believe that because you have a reason in your mind

[formal scaffold]

flat*

[hot galleon]

Thanks

[formal scaffold]

not a just comparison to be using here

[hot galleon]

Believe isn't a choice, the cause of your belief is because you're convinced

[formal scaffold]

i'll give you one instead, imagine somebody who's parents take care of him since the day he wasn't able to eat or clean himself, cure himself, protect himself, what would you think if he leaves them without reason saying : "you are not my paren'ts " and they grow older and weaker and poorer and he won't make one move to help them let alone acknoledging their existence ....

[hot galleon]

Why Allah who has a perfect knowledge needs to make a test ?

[formal scaffold]

Because it's his will , and you are a mere human who has no right to question his discisions

[thorny steeple]

every Muslim's duty is to preach and tell people about Islam, but for the people who've never known about the religion, scholars differ on what will happen to them in the hereafter, some believe they'll directly go to heaven, and others believe that Allah will test them individually, but the main takeaway is that "Whoever chooses to be guided, it is only for their own good. And whoever chooses to stray, it is only to their own loss. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And We would never punish ˹a people˺ until We have sent a messenger ˹to warn them˺." [Quran 17:15].

[formal scaffold]

the mouth, the brain you'll use to speak of him aren't yours in the first place

[hot galleon]

The comparaison is ridiculous because first thing, the parents of this guy told to him/her, not god

[jolly agate]

So god is an omnipotent and Omniscience

[formal scaffold]

I do agree but it's closer than yours try to look for the other aspects of it

like gratefullness

weakness

returning favor

[hot galleon]

Second thing we can't blame them because I said that Believe isn't a choice, if you want guy is great full for their parents, you have to convinced her/him

[formal scaffold]

there are signes for that, within yourself and in the universe, and you have to ask yourself why you really deny them

[thorny steeple]

one can choose to be convinced, and certainly one can choose to believe, belief is a choice.

[formal scaffold]

is it arrogance? laziness? embarassement?

[hot galleon]

No you believe in god because you're convinced that existence of god

[formal scaffold]

will it take a lot to recognize him?

[hot galleon]

I don't believe in God because I'm not convinced

If you convinced me, I believe

[thorny steeple]

You can be convinced of his existence and still choose to not believe

[formal scaffold]

I'm not here to convince you, you are the only one who can convince yourself

[thorny steeple]

you choose to be convinced, and you choose to believe.

[hot galleon]

No it's impossible for yourself

[thorny steeple]

and why that?

[hot galleon]

Deep inside you are convinced

[formal scaffold]

you said it at first it's a choice

[hot galleon]

No believe isn't a choice

[thorny steeple]

pretty much possible, if one doesn't wanna be convinced he'll ignore any proof and will try to find any excuse not to believe, it's simple.

[formal scaffold]

the reason is why didn't you choose to recognize him

[formal scaffold]

You said so yourself tho

[formal scaffold]

nvm you said it's not a choice

[jolly agate]

you guys can watch it too

[hot galleon]

No this guy aren't convinced, the definition of convinced is you finally consider that the proposals of your interlocutor is true

[hot galleon]

So you can reject that earth is not a sphere ??

[thorny steeple]

if you don't accept it's true, then it's a personal choice, one chooses whether to believe or not, if I gave you all the evidence that the sun exists while you don't wanna be convinced, you'll never be convinced, you choose whether to believe something is true or not.

[thorny steeple]

of course, i can believe that we live on giant marshmallow.

[hot galleon]

No if you don't accept it's true is because you're not convinced by what you interlocutor said

[thorny steeple]

You can convinced me that there's nothing after death, yet i can still believe that there is. I guess that's how hope works.

[hot galleon]

No, deep inside you earth is a sphere

You can't reject your reason

[hot galleon]

No convinced it's just not say and prove that's there is nothing after death, convinced is you finally consider that what I said it's true.

So if you finally consider that I said it's true you believe there are nothing after death

[thorny steeple]

alright, first we need to define conviction, conviction is "a firmly held belief or opinion", and a belief is "an acceptance that something exists or true", so by definition, you choose to accept whether something is true or not, and therefore you believe in it.

acceptance of the truth = belief = conviction = a personal choice, one can reject the truth and therefore will not be convinced by any form of proof or evidence.

[hot galleon]

No you don't "accept"(choice) that, the proposals of your interlocutor look true to you, you can believe that earth is flat and finally when there are proofs that earth is not flat and if you are convinced by these proofs you're convinced but you don't choice your reason to think that.
Before you are convinced by earth is flat, and to delete a conviction of a person, the only thing to convinced him/her person, it is to show that you are right and why, if this person
continue to believe earth is plate it means he/she have reason to think that earth is plate and your arguments is so bad front their reason.

[thorny steeple]

if someone refuses to believe that what I'm saying is true, it could be because they don't WANT to believe in what I'm saying, hance, it's a personal choice, you choose whether you wanna follow the evidence or just stick to what you believe in.

[hot galleon]

You can't believe just to say "you believe in that", you believe in that because there are a reason for why you believe, for example if you believe in God you believe in that because you think there can be no injustice in this word or think the life there can be a chance (it is just an example)

[hot galleon]

No because they are not convinced by what you said, they consider that what you said it's false

[thorny steeple]

I can provide the same exact evidence that convinced me God exists, and you might still deny his existence, even if you don't have any response to my argument or evidence, why? simply because you don't wanna believe.

[hot galleon]

No it isn't a personal choice, ii is your reason

[thorny steeple]

exactly, which is what they choose, despite any evidence I provide they might still label what I say as false.

[thorny steeple]

if I gave you all the reasons in the world that the earth is spherically shaped, while you want to believe it's flat, you might simply deny all the evidence I provide, which is your personal choice.

[hot galleon]

No, if you give me the proofs that God exist and the proofs are true for me ( I can't counter-argument ) I believe, but if I'm not convinced by your proofs, It means that I have reason to think why what you said it's false or isn't a proof

[hot galleon]

"while you want to believe it's flat"
It is no I don't want to believe it's flate" it is what you said don't convinced me.

[hot galleon]

A really proof is a proof when you show that, you interlocutor can't counter argument

[thorny steeple]

never mind man, I'm gonna hit the sack, you don't wanna be convinced anyway.

which is ironic.

[hot galleon]

Because he consider you are right

[hot galleon]

No I repeat, it is not I don't want to be convinced, it's what you said is not sufficient to convinced me, because I consider what you said it's false because I can't reject my reason, if someone want to prove to you earth is flat, your reason to believe it isn't flat is so strong that he can't convinced you.

So believe is not a choice

When you are not convinced, it is because the arguments of your interlocutor are not consistent with your vision of reality

[jolly agate]

how would u answer that? @hot galleon

are you convince that god has given us hints for his existence.

[hot galleon]

I don't believe in God.

[jolly agate]

You may find more evidence once you start researching religion on your

Explain the vid then

[hot galleon]

............ It's impossible to explain all of things in the world

That's why humans are working

To get closer to the truth

[jolly agate]

So u can explain what’s happening in the video. But I’m giving it as a proof that god is giving us hints for his existence .

It’s up to u now

Whether you wanna be convinced by it or not

[hot galleon]

It's just because there are wind who inspire in this statue, like hoover

If I'm not near to this statue I can't get perfect explication, but I can just have hypothesis

[hot galleon]

No

[summer yarrow]

What is that the thing that they are trying to feed??

[jolly agate]

Milk

[hot galleon]

It is not a proof of god existence because if this statue is really drink that's not explain God existence

[summer yarrow]

For who??

[hot galleon]

For all humans in the world

[jolly agate]

That statue is a god what if I say that

[summer yarrow]

I mean who is the inanimate thing that they are trying to give it milk??

[jolly agate]

It’s not fake. tho

[summer yarrow]

Is that a God or smth

?

[hot galleon]

If there is proof of God existence, the whole scientific world would know, we were only talking about the hypothesis of the existence of God.

[jolly agate]

A kind of god

[summer yarrow]

What the f***

Did they really belief that it is a God, did people are so stupid till that point

[hot galleon]

Really...

[hot galleon]

He think that's a really proof of God existence

😭😭

[formal scaffold]

there's no proof of the unexistance of god too

[hot galleon]

There is no proof of giant monster with 3 head unexistance

[summer yarrow]

How can they think that God is that weakness to get feeded by us, we needs God not him who need us, God is the stronger not like that inanimate thing

[hot galleon]

But does he exist ?

No

[uneven jasper]

i found a proof of a 2 heads giant
https://i.imgur.com/mN84bz2.png

[summer yarrow]

There is a God of course but he is not that weakness as they think he is the greater, he is the stronger, he is the only person who can help us, feed us and give us everything if he want but not such an object, inanimate thing.

[summer yarrow]

God exist

[hot galleon]

[hot galleon]

No

[summer yarrow]

Who cares about the 2 heads giant, he is not going to give us anything if he exist or not.

[uneven jasper]

i found 1080p version
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/0b/4e/3a/0b4e3a92d04d245e3406241444c0a09a.jpg

[hot galleon]

If I believe in him, prove me that's not exist

[summer yarrow]

Fine, I don't wanna to get into the stupidity and the science fiction of atheists so you are free about what I think but you are not going to change that God exist.

[hot galleon]

2 heads giant AKBAR !!!!!!!! THIS is my god

[hot galleon]

I was Muslim bro

[summer yarrow]

I am muslim

[uneven jasper]

for me personally i won't accept that we are randomly generated , even in games u can find a randomly generated world but it needs a seed that was made by the programer

[summer yarrow]

Every creature needs a Creator.

[hot galleon]

Zeus existed for grec civilizations

[summer yarrow]

What is Zeus?

[hot galleon]

Me too, but I know that I can't have now the answer and probably I would never have the answer in my life

[jolly agate]

if you look long enough into the abyss your will eventually find light

[uneven jasper]

i hope that one day u'll do

[summer yarrow]

We all gonna know in the day of punishment bro

[hot galleon]

Day Punishment does not exist bro

[scarlet tartan]

until it does

[summer yarrow]

Hope God guide us to the right answer and I hope may forgive all of us about our sins.

[hot galleon]

Personally, I prefer sciences method to know the truth with real proofs and experiences

[hot galleon]

I believe in Giant monster bro

You consider he's a god ?

[jolly agate]

If you believe it as a god

Then good for you

[summer yarrow]

Even sciences are not proofs, science is changing every day is changing nothing fixed, even Newton they was thinking that he is right till the point that Einstein proved that he was wrong

[hot galleon]

I also think this giant monster is naughty

[summer yarrow]

So don't hide behind a transparent wall we all know what sciences is saying but believe me they are all theories and only God knows the truth

[hot galleon]

That's why science is sure, because science don't affirm by what the majority think.

And when there is proof that's an scientific affirmation is false, science don't wait to reject the former affirmation

[summer yarrow]

Where are you from??

[hot galleon]

A long time ago, earth is flat was affirmed by science

[hot galleon]

Read my bio

[summer yarrow]

Korea?

[hot galleon]

No, france

[summer yarrow]

Okay I didn't read the English text

Whatever

[summer yarrow]

I know why you are messed up know

Are from a French origins or what ??

[jolly agate]

.

[hot galleon]

No I was born in France but my origin is Algeria

My 2 parents are Algerian

[summer yarrow]

I knew it bc you have such an Arabic name but are they religious or atheists?

[hot galleon]

Religious, I'm the only one atheist in my family and they don't know that

[stuck notch]

What was your religion

[hot galleon]

Islam

[summer yarrow]

But why you leave it and you are trying to believe 🤬 like science theory ?

[stuck notch]

What made you leave it

[summer yarrow]

..

[zinc horizon]

Hello guys, can anybody recommend movies to improve the level of English from b1 to b2?

[summer yarrow]

A lot but the best is to watch movies with English translation ( subtitles ) it going to help you a lot to improve your vocabs and Grammer.

Grammar*

[zinc horizon]

yep, now i'm always watching movies in english with subtitles, but i can't improve my understanding by ear, that's sad(

[hot galleon]

The list is so long but I'm going to give you some reason first there are many scientific errors in Coran, like bones after fresh, earth is flat etc.
Second, Islam autorised slavery, pedoph*ily, violence against women, homophobia etc.
The prophet of Islam Muhammad was married to Aisha when he was 50 years old and Aisha was 6 years old.
A thing really important for me that's Islam prohibited freedom of conscience because you get punishment in hell just cause you don't believe in Allah that's so unfair for me.
There are so many reason why I don't believe Allah exist

[stuck notch]

so now you don't believe in god itself ?

or in islam only

[hot galleon]

I'm an atheist

[stuck notch]

an* i got it

[hot galleon]

Thanks

So I'm gonna to sleep good night!

[summer yarrow]

1. when the prophet married lady aicha she stayed at her parents house till the age of puberty.
2. the media says that he was 50 and she was 6 but it is not true, according to many very popular books and science according of what you are believing that she was 11 or more and he was at the age of 40 or more
3. Give me one scientific error in the cora'an just one
4. Islam when autorised slavery bc at that time the slaves wasn't able to even work other works more than that so if Islam refuse that they will be ignored and prohibited and they will not having even things to buy food also maybe you doesn't know that the first Muezzin in Makkah was a slave.
5. Give me one verse in cora'an that allowed violence against womans......

And I think you don't even know how the prophet was doing with lady aicha if you try to know how he was acting with her you will know that what you are saying is totally false.

What you said to me in your message proved me that you are a lazy and weak person who is took a big decision without even look after true ressources and just believes bunch of stupidities, bro try to search and rely on reliable ressources, please. And re-think again about the decision that you took.

[covert raptor]

Islam is the fastest growing religion. Few people leaving or apostatizing is not a big deal.

It will replace people of the West as projected in a couple of decades

[summer yarrow]

That's not true bc like we cares about ourselves and our religion we care also about people who are out of the truth and the right so it's our job as Muslims to get them back to the right and if they didn't agree or refuse what we said we just have to leave as, so basically I tried my best and know it's his choice.

Free

[covert raptor]

Apostatizing is a crime under Sharia law, especially if they cause corruption in the land

[summer yarrow]

About what basically

[summer yarrow]

True

His family members are already Muslims b and he was but he decided to left Islam and he did

[covert raptor]

No the future generations

[summer yarrow]

Get it

[simple scarab]

Dump

[rose yacht]

Ciao

[wanton lance]

@rose yacht I have seen you at the server il salotto Italiano

[abstract cypress]

Wy are ppl angry for other ppl deciding to leave religion

All of them are man made anyway

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[covert raptor]

so anything "man-made" is bad?

[abstract cypress]

Where did I say that?

[covert raptor]

why then use the term

it's condescending way

[abstract cypress]

because it's man made?

how is it condescending

[covert raptor]

no brainer

I don't have to explain that to you

basically was your tune

[abstract cypress]

no brainer it's a neutral term yeah

just like communism or capitalism are man made

or countries being man made

[covert raptor]

you are man made

[abstract cypress]

if they're inherent to someone, like skin color, then it's a problem

but religion is not inherent and it's the freedom of everyone to choose whatever they want to believe

[abstract cypress]

I was made by people yeah technically

[covert raptor]

no your accidentally made by stardust

And ape made

[abstract cypress]

I mean if we want to look far enough back

and no apes don't make humans

[covert raptor]

At one point they did, and they evolved

[abstract cypress]

apes and humans share a common ancestor, not ape being the ancestor

[covert raptor]

Leaving religion is fine, but causing corruption and disrupting the community is not.

[abstract cypress]

it's like saying your sister is your mother

[covert raptor]

Which is what most do

[abstract cypress]

define "causing corruption"

[covert raptor]

Spreading their own ideas or their own personal religion

[abstract cypress]

I don't see anything wrong with that

if you can spread your ideas why can't I spread mine?

[covert raptor]

You are disrupting the whole community. You can spread out of that, maybe on Mars

[abstract cypress]

sorry but religious people are not entitled to their feelings if they hate someone thinking different

[covert raptor]

Not what I said

[abstract cypress]

if you can speak about your idea, other people can speak about theirs too

including admitting that they left the religion and pointing the faults in religion

[covert raptor]

Disrupting the community causes internal conflicts and violence. So you can spread your personal vengeance and anger, outside of the community.

[abstract cypress]

what community? so we're banning free speech because it offends people?

[covert raptor]

Are you willing to do that?

[abstract cypress]

I have the first amendment to protect me criticizing whoever I want

[covert raptor]

Whatever, like Muslims in middle east

[abstract cypress]

including religion

[abstract cypress]

yeah many middle eastern countries haven't learned how to restrain themselves so I see how it doesn't work there

[covert raptor]

Bro lives in fantasy world

[abstract cypress]

fortunately I live in a country where free speech is protected

[abstract cypress]

Nah. I just live in America.

[covert raptor]

Maybe your ideas are about islamophobia and racism under the cover of free speech, and you wanna spread your dangerous things. This is disrupting the community which causes internal conflicts.

[abstract cypress]

criticizing Islam is not islamophobia btw

[covert raptor]

You will be exiled to Mars,in that case

Spread your garbage 🗑️ where it belongs

[abstract cypress]

I could care less since I have the first amendment, which protects my rights.

also if you don't agree with it why have andrew jackson as your pp lol

[covert raptor]

The whole world isn't America

Outside of that there is no first or hundred amendments

[abstract cypress]

Too bad for the whole world then. At least in the West we can speak our opinions without fear of getting killed for it

[covert raptor]

Lol parody

Remember Jillian assange and Snowden

You have free speech no where and that's okay

Disrupting the community is not tolerable

[abstract cypress]

Both aren't being hounded for their opinions. They are because they are hired to protect government documents, and they leaked it

[covert raptor]

Sounds like cope

[abstract cypress]

I'm sorry you can't read

[covert raptor]

It's pure cope. Basically my point is disrupting the community and you will be in an electric chair in America style

They have their own way

[abstract cypress]

If you work at walmart and you end up intentionally burning the shop can Walmart sue you or not?

[covert raptor]

To deal with it

[abstract cypress]

false equivalence, so no.

[covert raptor]

What?

[abstract cypress]

^

[covert raptor]

It adds to my point, not your. It's disrupting the community

*yours

I'm totally fine with the punishment, but not that harsh like electric chair in America

Exile is much better and humane

[abstract cypress]

yeah sabotaging your employer isn't disrupting the community, it's felony

btw we don't use electric chairs anymore

it's available, but we don't use it

[covert raptor]

Keep capping

[abstract cypress]

^

[covert raptor]

Keep moving the goal post. I made my point, and that's it. No need of continuing

[abstract cypress]

and I answered all of them so

[covert raptor]

??

Your a liar

Stephen Michael West was the recent death row inmate to be executed by electric chair in Tennessee on Aug. 15, 2019

Yeah I don't need to continue

[abstract cypress]

As of 2023, the only places that still reserve the electric chair as an option for execution are the U.S. states of Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, and Tennessee. Arkansas, Mississippi, and Oklahoma laws provide for its use should lethal injection ever be held to be unconstitutional. Inmates in the other states must select either it or lethal injection.

This is from the wikipedia article. So I said it's available, but we don't use it. That's because inmates prefer injection

If one person chose the chair over a decade of people abandoning it, still doesn't make they prefer the chair

[rugged flicker]

hii, m 18. im looking for someone (friend) who can help me with my MUET (malaysian university english test) project. my lecturer ask us to do a video so I chose culture as my theme. I decided to find a stranger here and ask some random question about culture in your country (use facetime or discord) im open with any gender :p just hmu, thanks!

[hot galleon]

2. All of Islamic scholars say the same thing that I said in the 1rst point. "According of what you are believing that she was 11 or more
   and he was at the age of 40 or more" Do you have any Islamic sources to say that, If yes can you give me one please.
3. I told you according to the Coran earth is flat, bones forms before fresh according that's all of biology scientist bones forms after fresh when you form in belly of your mother.
4. I'm not complaining about the civilisation that used slaves because it didn't have the knowledge we have today but I'm conplaining to Allah, because Allah is supposed to be Omniscient and omnipotent and he autorise that... You can give me all the excuses you want (slaves were respected, etc.), the only thing you have to do for a slave in 2023 it's to give their freedom.
5. Okay, surah 5 verse 33 :

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.1

[hot galleon]

1. Aïcha was married to Muhammad when she was 6 years old and consumed the marriage (it means she had s*xual relation) when she was 9 years old according to the thirteenth Sahîh Hadiths (Authentic Hadith) .

[hot galleon]

Do you know my life ? You called me lazy... I read the Coran and that's te cause of my leaving. I only use Islamic scholars/sources when a give an affirmation/source.

[lavish finch]

Hello

[humble lion]

Hello

[hot galleon]

Hello

[humble lion]

Comment allez vous monsieur

[hot galleon]

Je vais bien et vous monsieur ?

[humble lion]

Et toi please kind sir

And im good too thx

[hot galleon]

Okay!

[lavish finch]

@orchid totem

@halcyon lion

[halcyon lion]

yes sir

[lavish finch]

Hi

[halcyon lion]

hey

[orchid totem]

hello

what is up

[lavish finch]

“If you are human, you should support Palestine.This is not a question of whether it is Arab or not”

[orchid totem]

sure

[lavish finch]

I want to suggest this channel for such a discussion.

[halcyon lion]

oh

My bad

I didn't know tbh

[orchid totem]

I think Palestine is right to support him as the biggest humanitarian disaster of the 21st century

[halcyon lion]

@versed ether "It also exist Muslims which support Israel"

they aren't real muslims lol, they might be arabs but no muslim will do that because in our religion its obvious to defend our land which has the masjid al aqsa in palestine

@lavish finchAnd I apologize sir

thanks for noticing

[lavish finch]

If shared respectfully and in the appropriate context, I welcome all beliefs to be discussed and addressed. That’s what an educational context is - a place where ideas can be examined.

In fact, for the goal of education, I seek to create a space where all views can be considered, especially the views that people struggle to address elsewhere because that empowers us to choose views based upon careful consideration of all available relevant information.

[pallid ocean]

Exactly

[jolly agate]

Did I miss something.

[lavish finch]

We all miss many things.

I’d like to know what you didn’t miss. What you noticed.

[orchid totem]

Do you want to refute my viewpoint

[jolly agate]

literally noticed nothing don’t even know what you were talking about. And why you tag them. and why they were apologising

[lavish finch]

I invited them to move their discussion of Palestine from #💭｜general to here.

[jolly agate]

ohh I see

I need to go their to see the action.

I’ll be right back.

[halcyon lion]

unfortunately they didn't 😅

im waiting for them to reply

but I guess I'll go continue studying

[lavish finch]

No. Are you looking for someone to disagree with you?

[orchid totem]

no

[lavish finch]

Are you looking for people who you disagree with to reply?

[halcyon lion]

nope, I try to spread the facts

What would I gain if I disagree with people with no reason

[lavish finch]

Spread?

[halcyon lion]

I would go study for and continue my life

[dry kindle]

im interest in trump. is he catched by us police?

[halcyon lion]

but its a sensitive case

[halcyon lion]

is this real?

[dry kindle]

china news report that

[lavish finch]

@jolly agate

[orchid totem]

This news is too old

[lavish finch]

There is no battle

@jolly agate

[orchid totem]

假的早被放出来了bro

[dry kindle]

is trump drink disinfectant real? i doubt this news for 3years

[jolly agate]

Damm

[lavish finch]

You want drama?

Drama is like a gasoline fire. Big flash for a short time. Little warmth over the long term.

[dry kindle]

many us news in chinese inland i want to recognize them

[lavish finch]

What’s your name?

[dry kindle]

my name is jie

[lavish finch]

Hi Jie

[dry kindle]

hi jame

[lavish finch]

I lived in China in 2002

Teaching English

[dry kindle]

many years ago

which country you lived?

[lavish finch]

Shanxi

Province

[dry kindle]

good nihao english teacher

[serene birch]

你好

[lavish finch]

Nihao

[dry kindle]

oversea teacher is respect in china

[lavish finch]

yes

[dry kindle]

why are you back ,your reward must be high

[lavish finch]

I would love to go back and teach English in China again one day.

[dry kindle]

i go to seach my profile photo

very good

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the upper ligh

[jolly agate]

what do u mean by upper light.

[dry kindle]

Education Director

[serene birch]

He means "the sublime light that comes from voids by creating spaces within its sanctity." I guess.

[serene birch]

I'm being of the lower darkness, The lights, especially upper lights hurts my eyes.

[trail ibex]

@sage badger

[lavish finch]

"There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not wave in a vacuum"

• Arthur C. Clarke

(a metaphor suggesting that for any symbol, idea, or movement to be 'alive' and visible, it needs the 'air' or support of the people, a community, or society. It indicates that symbols are not just physical entities but are brought to life by the beliefs, culture, and actions of people. It's also often interpreted as a comment on the fact that nationalistic or divisive symbols have no place or power in the emptiness of space, where human collaboration and unity are essential for survival and progress.)

[rugged flicker]

hello everyone, Can you please explain your culture in your country or city through a video? I want to use it as a part of my MUET project. The best video will represent us at the national level. I will give credit to your video..I am simply asking, with no intent to coerce hehe

[civic reef]

damn it must be nice

teaching in asia feels kind of different than in the west

people have different mindsets and attitudes towards each other, making mistakes, the teacher, the subject, everything

[mental peak]

going to teach the students writing tomorrow. Being a non-boring teacher is so tough

I'm trying to think of something that won't bore students to death

There must be something that ticks with the students in terms of interest, they liked kahoot but that's only for choice questions

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/378008567296557056.webp?size=64

[whole beacon]

[obtuse linden]

hello

anyone who did their gcses this yr??

[heavy quarry]

hello everyone

[thorny steeple]

bro, whoever asserts that "God does not exist" or "all religions are man-made" bears the burden of proof for his claims.

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/fH8d7UJNmaA?si=YMCHVx3-YTpOSbIz

[lavish finch]

Please share your thoughts.

[thorny steeple]

I was struggling for sometime now to understand why the U.S. is so desperate to support Israel, despite all the mass atrocities and and conflicts Israel is committing while the whole world is just watching, it's shocking for me, but I came across this video which I think makes a perfect sense, so I decided to share it with the community here, so that people who don't understand like me can finally find the answer.

[lavish finch]

Can you put the answer into your own words. Why does the US support Israel?

[thorny steeple]

cause as the video showed, the US is more like an empire, and like the goal of any empire, it aims to spread its control over the world, and Israel is its ticket to the middle east, they can always use Israel as a means to attack any country that doesn't comply with the US's best interests.

this is only one reason.

the middle east is a very important area in the world for any empire, and it connects many countries, so it's incredibly important for global trading.

[devout shale]

what about people who believe the opposite

[thorny steeple]

I don't understand, the opposite of what?

[devout shale]

doesn't people who believe in God also need proof of that?

[thorny steeple]

I said the burden of proof lies on the person who is asserting or claiming that something is "true" or "false".

[lavish finch]

You were quite clear

[thorny steeple]

if you're asserting that "God exists", sure the burden of proof lies on you, and vice versa, if you say "God doesn't not exist", this means you're certain and that you've verified he doesn't exist, which requires you to provide the evidence for your claim, if someone is just claiming without evidence, there is no reason whatsoever to regard his opinion is true.

[devout shale]

ok, i thought you were reasoning in one direction 👍

[thorny steeple]

of course not.

[devout shale]

some people do, they claim faith does not need logical proof

[lavish finch]

That’s what I call a mind read.

[thorny steeple]

wha...

[devout shale]

i didnt read all the convo

[lavish finch]

Still a mind read

[thorny steeple]

if someone is making a claim, they're most probably trying to convince people in what they said, if they don't provide a proof, how the hell will people get convinced.

[devout shale]

you know, the old argument that God cant be explained by science

[lavish finch]

Not necessarily. They may be exploring the validity for themselves.

[thorny steeple]

what do you mean? I don't believe you can prove God scientifically, science is the systematic study of the natural and the observable world, you can't observe God as an entity, but surely you can always rely on certain scientific discoveries and facts to prove the existence of God, for instance, through science we've verified that the universe is not eternal, this is a useful input to prove the existence of God.

[formal scaffold]

explain soul by science

[formal scaffold]

you can theories it's the electrical pulses in the metabolism but do you have a solid proof it is?

[thorny steeple]

yes right, sometimes people might do that to validate their claims, but I think this rarely happens.

I mean if someone is asserting, then they are most probably certain of what they are saying.

[devout shale]

maybe we'll be able to do that in the future, who knows

[formal scaffold]

science has a limited field to the 5 senses

thus why the souls is depicted to smth that can be visual like elctricity

[formal scaffold]

Human brain can surpass the physicall study and ignoring this ability is yr choice

[devout shale]

wdym

[formal scaffold]

Philosophy for instance

Or theology

[formal scaffold]

science can't study all of dogma or curiosity even with infinite amount of time

[devout shale]

i'm inclined to believe we'll reach a point in which all knowledge and fields and believes will converge in a unifying theory and truth

i'm talking about far future tho

[noble briar]

I've read an important part of this entire dialogue...And as far as I understand there are only agnostics, theists and believers here. But to clarify doubts and have a better starting point, it would be good for you to say your worldview before starting...

[thorny steeple]

well, of course, you can click on my profile picture to view my "about me" section.

[noble briar]

Ok

Done

[thorny steeple]

but some people also seem to be positive atheists as far as I can tell.

positive atheism is the stance or the assertion that God does not exist.

as opposed to agnostic atheism, which is kind of a neutral stance, where one doesn't claim the existence or the non-existence of the ultimate creator.

[noble briar]

I mean, they would be atheists with a tendency toward agnosticism

I know what it is