・theorycrafting

[leaden stag]

every diona comp is double funnel?

[hasty wigeon]

more or less

[leaden stag]

oh, you didnt configure raiden version

wait, maybe thats why

bei comp

is so low as well

let me check

yeah

you did double diona for the triple cryo comp

but didnt for raiden and bei

so data is skewed

let me fix

[hasty wigeon]

fix the rotation lengths while you at it

should be 21 seconds minimum for double funnels for comps 3 and 4

[leaden stag]

yeah

comp 2 should jump as well

by 1s

[hasty wigeon]

comp 2 accounted for the time i think

i recall staggering for that?

[leaden stag]

we subtracted sara's, but now it goes back to 23s cause of double diona

[hasty wigeon]

ah

[leaden stag]

bruh

still dog

Bei

[hasty wigeon]

whoa

[hasty wigeon]

cmp 2 spiked a lot though

[leaden stag]

yeah

issue is the extended rotation

is again, actually a DPS decrease

Im suprised how well raiden held up an extended rotation

btw

like she extend it that long and still ditch out the DPS

the catch is too digusting really

[hasty wigeon]

send me it again once you done

@leaden stag just in case you missed the message

[leaden stag]

done, just double checking ER

honestly the difference between comps isnt as huge as national

which kinda explains why I dont feel that much of a difference

@hasty wigeon if you havent seen

[hasty wigeon]

thanks

9% margins is basically childe rvape vs national differences

[leaden stag]

thats sara C6 tho

[hasty wigeon]

yeah, if we dont recc childe for national users we shouldnt recc raiden to roll for eula users

[leaden stag]

its even smaller if its a C5 sara

3k DPS jump froma cons in a team setting is huge

[hasty wigeon]

pretty sure comp 1 can do better if we replace zl

im too pepega to do it now though

[leaden stag]

honestly yeah

thing is who goes there tho

You need healer/shielder, do we just do raiden triple cryo?

cause raiden diona already has 101 ER on eula

[hasty wigeon]

comp 1 is still running 142 er

just change it to diona for 0 er

even diona eqe no funnels is 8 particles into the energy economy and 2 seconds less

[leaden stag]

lets calc it

shouldnt take long

its basically comp 1 and we just change ER calc and change the most simple rotation

[hasty wigeon]

just to confirm, 35k dps for a comp isnt bad, is it?

i honestly cannot tell anymore

[leaden stag]

whats national got?

[hasty wigeon]

29k

but its all aoe

st is way higher

[leaden stag]

yeah

then it isnt bad

[hasty wigeon]

35k is probably decent

[leaden stag]

what does zhong carry

artifacts wise

[hasty wigeon]

4tom

usually

[leaden stag]

in this calc i mean

4 tom as well

so i know to subtract atk buff

[hasty wigeon]

its also 4tom

[leaden stag]

yeah

cant give up zhongli

nvm

i forgot to fix ER

im dumb

one sec

@hasty wigeon

Zhongli overrated af

Triple Cryo

[hasty wigeon]

it was a 0.5% increase

thats so tiny

[leaden stag]

you free up a zhongli

for other comps

[hasty wigeon]

thats fair

[leaden stag]

that makes this comp cheaper

[hasty wigeon]

oh yeah 1 less 5*

[leaden stag]

here

honestly tho, a lot of these damage increases are based on optimizing artifacts post ER requirement change

which is something that is too fine tune to hit these damage difference ceiling

I expect raiden realistic damage increase to be around 3-6% depends on comp

not 9% like this

[hasty wigeon]

yeah, its marginal

its good that we get eula upgrades though

[leaden stag]

you good with me sharing this with arte?

we were trying to settle down on Eula Raiden

think this gives enough to come to a decent conclusion

[hasty wigeon]

yeah sure

[leaden stag]

added assumptions and disclaimer

just in case a shitshow is coming

[fiery saffron]

What is conclusion

[leaden stag]

Diificulty:
Eula Raiden always extend rotation even at perfect play, and if you do not play near to that the DPS increase gets lowered dramatically. Raiden Eula comp is near Eula Beidou in terms of mechanical play with how strict combo timers are, not to mention already having to play Eula alone optimally on top. I would only recommend this comp at Sara C2+ to lower the neccesary field time.

DPS increase:

There is damage increase, not completely negligible, but not enough to call it BiS, and should be played with consideration for preferences. Sara variation gives the highest DPS increase, at 9% from standard triple cryo,but this is with Sara C6, which gives a massive 8% DPS increase relative to the comp at C5, where if it is C5 would actually be around the same DPS as a standard triple cryo eula comp. Zhongli Rosaria variation has 4% increase from 3x cryo as well. Do note these comps mostly gain damage not just from Raiden DPSing (Eula arguably, given field time, can output as much with her hold E shred and superconduct), but also from lowered ER requirements across all Raiden variations. Expect anywhere from a slight damage increase, equal, or if played badly even slightly worse, in terms of DPS, as its very hard to optimize ER to theoretical math.

Teams: I talked about teams before, but now I want to approach it from a perspective outside of Eula comps. Raiden basically free up Fischl and Beidou slot, but hard force you to take Diona or Zhongli. Depends on your other comp, make the appropriate decision.

Conclusion: Negligible damage increase, once you account for human errors, paper math, as always with eula, is impressive, so keep that in your mind when looking at these numbers. Raiden Eula wont harm your experience if you are already good with Eula and is willing to bear more responsibility piloting Raiden, but if you already struggle playing Eula, I wont recommend it, unless you absolutely love Raiden. Objectively, there is no large enough positive or negative change in damage to go out of your way forcing urself to play/purchase Raiden to play this comp for meta reasons only, but if you have a Raiden, why not.

[fiery saffron]

Hmm

So basically possible marginal upgrade, for most players no change

[leaden stag]

@fiery saffron there

this should be comprehensive enough.

[fiery saffron]

hmm alright

makes sense

[leaden stag]

@hasty wigeon we undersell zhongli field time, fixed first comp timer to 26 instead of 25

now its 0.42% DPS increase over eula

actually no fkn difference

good comp

[hasty wigeon]

Sadge

At leaat beidou is a proven downgrade to ros

Ill take that

[hasty wigeon]

Wait, but diona's raiden was 5% before the adjustment . Is that still so?

[leaden stag]

yeah, i just adjust the rotation with zhongli

[hasty wigeon]

Im just worried this is about the maximum efficacy eula can realistically pull out of a team

A pure cryo battery, a good cryo offield that can shred phy, and an electro subdps that eats up your extra field time and returns you even more energy, burst dmg% and damage

I cant imagine a more ideal team for her, expect maybe raiden but even less field time

[leaden stag]

Yeah. I pretty much agree.

[hasty wigeon]

well, if nothing else, the non sara variation is just below diluc vape in team damage, if i use the same assumptions as previously

that isnt so bad for a team that uses no sucrose, bennett or xq

i wonder how much output i can make if i force an ult crit

[summer brook]

If I'm being entirely honest, with a non crit value weapon, c6 rosaria for what she gives just makes Eula teams better, especially with the added cv on a character who's primary weapon has 0 crit. Ask 4 different people and you can get 4 different Eula teams.

[hasty wigeon]

c6 rosaria is massive yeah

[buoyant spruce]

rosaria is massive yeah
FTFY @leaden stag

[hasty wigeon]

no, seriously

shes doing like, 110k per rot?

thats around fischl amounts of subdps

while shes on a fav lance to boot

i feel like our original rosaria evaluations were done on a c0 rosaria, and the scaling she gets from c2, c4 and both c3 and c5 just make her very, very potent especially when her competitor, kaeya, effectively cant cons scale

[leaden stag]

MASSIVE

[leaden stag]

ive always ranked her higher than kaeya in a Eula comp

[hasty wigeon]

perhaps ive been reading the wrong sources

[leaden stag]

easier to get cons for, virtually better than him at everything at C2

[hasty wigeon]

but the opinion i had from tc was always that she was kaeya side/slight upgrade

[hasty wigeon]

but yeah this is what i got from my own calcs

i mean in general

rosaria just seems really really good

only bit kaeya is better at is freeze uptime

[leaden stag]

Eula guide will not be delayed any longer. I will get it done in these 2 weeks

4 month procrastination

[hasty wigeon]

you want me to assist a little? i need a little bit of experience for my own guide

my first guide is not coming out well, and my mentor is busy slacking

[leaden stag]

I can share the doc so you can see the process and ask questions, but I'll write this alone probably

[hasty wigeon]

also, #858129087376523274 , #・theorycraft-directory and #・faq are all below both tc-gen channels

[leaden stag]

hmm

[hasty wigeon]

i dont think this is wanted?

[leaden stag]

someone with perms must be moving it

directory and announcements should be on top

everything else is fine as is

those are the important stuff we want people to read so

[hasty wigeon]

i feel like faq should be above tc gen

since we do want people to read faq as well

[leaden stag]

lets move to staff

[alpine sparrow]

@fiery saffron U are aware brumal doesnt work on childe E right ? Its elemental skill dmg so it only effects the inital E dmg but not the auto attacks. Like Stringless

Might wanna change ur calcs

[fiery saffron]

Yeah I’m aware

Accounted for that

[alpine sparrow]

How the f is that bow still that close than

[buoyant spruce]

High crit value good 👍👍

[fiery saffron]

childe's damage breakdown in my calcs is as such:

2 target

[alpine sparrow]

Only 1 N3 CA ?

[fiery saffron]

that's 4 n3s

just breakdown by type of damage

[alpine sparrow]

Interesting

[hasty wigeon]

are these rotation times roughly right?

im checking through my work slowly, found some double dip buffs so far and a double ult from rosaria that spiked comp 4's damage, so i removed it and everything is looking sus now

[leaden stag]

I cant take a look today. I'll look more over it tmr

[leaden stag]

Time looks fine. Check what you can and send it over. Ill look again tmr

I wanna finish up on the eula guide today

[hasty wigeon]

margins dont look right

eu/rai/ros/dio is getting a 13% margin

thats not likely methinks

[leaden stag]

math looks fine to me is the problem lol

[hasty wigeon]

fuck

[leaden stag]

one sec

raiden res calcs is a bit wrong

but its now this

thats all i got from looking at it.

[hasty wigeon]

nani the fuck

12% margin

thats actually really good

[leaden stag]

yeah, thing about this comp is you are running absolutely low ER.

[hasty wigeon]

yeah, but even if you eat the er gains, thats like, 8% ish more damage

thats a lot better than i expected

[leaden stag]

Raiden Eula not bad

[hasty wigeon]

Gorou thoughts:

Dps wise:

Ddc is not a good look on him, 70k dpr, probably 85k or higher with new set. Definitely not worth building imo

Energy if taken at 3 particles per e needs 170 er ish, probably a good idea for fav bow?

Support wise:
E seems really similar to sara in play, e and leave every 10 ish seconds. Buff is massive for albedo, likely big for itto.

If energy of 3 particles per e is correct, slightly better geo batt than albedo (that's not saying much)

Damage not being significant and ult not contributing much buffs means that its likely that ult will be an ignored part of his kit similar to sara.

4ap should be a compelling option due to q gather, contingent on building for q. Em build might also tank well, though bad uptime might mean c4 is needed.

Definitely not a good option for non def geo units, but given 4ap and geo buffs he might function in both solo geo and mono geo comps, which is pog. Damage missing is damge missing though, can't fix broke.

Overall seems a decent support? Need thoughts on this.

[crimson compass]

I counted the NA strings' frames in #791659074253094933 message

and compared them to the itto NAs in a vacuum to see the hitstun difference. Also the new boss has a wack hitbox and/or Itto's range is weird
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DTn1nwd3U0vuLKs6lPsRWNWyP2-VymJU0wPkqjwnPjw/edit?usp=sharing

[crimson compass]

I gathered all my Itto frame data into a master sheet including the recent extended SCA combo
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rDLfe9WZceo9_KhEc9_UGYtgTg5wFS9xTbPehhiq8QA/edit?usp=sharing

[wet lantern]

don't suppose anyone's got a collection of video links for itto thus far?

[leaden stag]

in #791659074253094933 should have all current itto clips we have on hand

[wet lantern]

ok ill scroll through it thanks

[wet lantern]

is this here actually confirmed in beta? looks like this will be a fun one lol

[hasty wigeon]

Its the most realistic reading i got, and ive checked with tcers in wfp, kqm and shenhe mains to make sure im not reading it wrong

Could still be wrong but given kit design it looks like i makes the most sense

[wet lantern]

hmmmm i just read it a couple times... you're probably right. that's kinda... rough

[fiery saffron]

yep

afaik

[keen cradle]

hello to wfp monkes (advanced version)
beta version, there are absolutely probably like twenty things wrong with it right now and I don't have an instructions doc yet. please try it out and ping me if you find anything broken. solver setup in screenshot. probably best to be familiar with my old sheet if you're going to be trying this one sans instructions? thanks
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gJ4SzFzy6hLShG6UKCHD0G4iv2-c10yqD-1AZGP2C1Y/edit?usp=sharing

[leaden stag]

my solver setup on the itto sheet

if you want something to reference

[keen cradle]

I mean it’s just adapted from my general sheet that’s been working for like a month

it’s that it’s full team so I probably broke some stuff

and shiro says it’s slow so I have to see if I can fix that at all

[leaden stag]

cant really do much about that from what i saw with online solver servers

their cloud servers for these are made up of potatoes

[keen cradle]

[soft drift]

Another sheet to learn

[leaden stag]

not really, online ones just use eli's

I made this one to calc itto combos

thats it lol

I cba to manually set all combos so i made a whole sheet for it

[muted grotto]

[pastel urchin]

Here's a quick teamwide DPS sheet for a Ganyu/Shenhe/Kazuha/ZL team thats comparing a Shimenewa Ganyu with Hold E Shenhe to maximize CA damage vs a Blizzard Strayer Ganyu with a Press E Shenhe rotation to benefit Ganyu's ult damage. After adjusting for the higher ER requirements of Shimenewa and setting Crit Ratios roughly equal to each other through substats, the 2 sets and rotations show very similar DPS in single target situations, though I would expect the BS version to scale better with AoE as more damage will be felt on her ult. Any feedback would be appreciated, as well as any thought of how much potential this team has a non-melt alternative for Ganyu in boss abyss content where you can't use freeze and get the full effect of BS. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oN2UEuxC8GJwfLcSX0bL8vB7ZN7HNV87_fzeK7ccYIA/edit?usp=sharing

[wet lantern]

btw, dont suppose anyone's got a shenhe frame count sheet? getting sim ready for her

[dusty osprey]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Va2JTdtw7OpagE-W0lY798YzUXFIu-aP9JOA3_OCUSQ/edit?usp=sharing

[wet lantern]

much appreciated

[leaden stag]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iVnT2RPD76f2GZT6GQ5LV1MtGwvOwObhbi0svAdYS2M/edit?usp=sharing

I made one

[wet lantern]

Oh nice! Calc done already?

Any thoughts?

[leaden stag]

havent done calc, will do it tonight and tmr, this is just a complete template

rigged mine up to solve for mainstats as well instead of just subs

but you can still configure to solve for subs only

[wet lantern]

For now just trying to get the implementation right

She’s going to be weird to calc I feel

[leaden stag]

For team calcs you can just reference quill CD CR calcs to her teammates sheets

solver will treat it as a constant

for single character calc you can just set it as a manual input

[wet lantern]

hey just looking at this im a little bit confused here. are these frames for her Q c2+? honey says duration is 12s yet all these bursts are ~18s?

sorry ignore me i'm blind

[crimson compass]

yeah the footage we have of both Yunjin and Shenhe have them both at C6

[wet lantern]

hmmmm.. not sure what to think of her. feels like it's going to be another raiden >.>

[tough badger]

Her own damage is really not impressive so for all the casual players that only look at that she shouldn't soar in popularity on that point alone.
Being an additional buffer/debuffer for Ayaka makes Ayaka so impressive though, so that's one target demographic.
She'll be released with wolves in Abyss 12 so outside of the really dedicated players, there shouldn't be too much Mono cryo with anemo or 3 cryo freeze where she'd really be impressive.
Whales with invested cryo will be ridiculous though

[pastel urchin]

Main thing is a lot of Ayaka mains may want to get Ganyu as a sub-DPS instead even though she only seems markedly better than Shenhe in high target count with grouping, but I agree Shenhe should be strong for those with a well invested Ayaka

[wet lantern]

hmm havent tried ayaka yet. so far ganyu calcs feels kinda... eh...

let me see if i can get charlie to send me his ayaka rotation

[signal breach]

Don't think she will shine massively if only leveraged by a single unit. I see her niche in an aggressive Cryo Quickswap Team where you can ideally use 2 Tap Es on her and atleast 2 other units.
Ayaka in particular leans herself to that since she doesn't really need the field time, not even in ST, so you can swap around fairly freely if need be. Opportunity cost for Ganyu might be higher since she needs to CA for the lion's share of her ST dmg.

There is also quite the notable distinction for Quill dmg between Crit and non-Crit weapons. Difference between Amenoma and Mistsplitter on Ayaka is already fairly substantial but it also shows strongly on Quills since Amenoma adds absolutely nothing to scale Quill dmg whereas Mist offers CD and dmg%.
So having or lacking the according weapons can scale the gap between Shenhe and more regular SubDPS options quite notably.

[hasty wigeon]

It basically rewards crit greatly

[wet lantern]

hmm.. idk. will have to see on release. tried a couple combinations of her in ganyu comp and it's just not really working

i guess ill just get the calculations right and leave the rotation crafting to others

[wet lantern]

well i wouldnt say its not working.. but it's just not doing anything more than diona would bring in that specific comp so far.. could be a rotation problem or something else

btw anyone here explored reverse melt or something along those lines?

[pastel urchin]

Well, the one I posted above seems promising in terms of raw DPS for a mono cryo Ganyu (reaching around 38K teamwide DPS which seems good, though the Ganyu here is pretty much perfect in terms of artifacts. I did try a Rev Melt Rosaria/Shenhe team a while back and it also looked promising, but in terms of practicality it suffers from circle impact syndrome. Without a grouper (and even then) you can't really guarantee the damage will go off in a game where CC immune wolves and maguu kenkis dash around the abyss floor like olympic ice skaters

[soft drift]

@hasty wigeon is it known how the energy draining mechanics of electro leyline disorder works?

If not I think I’ll put it up on request board

[hasty wigeon]

Yeah sure

[wet lantern]

guys guys guys

i didnt watch the vids carefully enough but was there visual confirmation that shenhe skill didn't do it's own dmg?

actually i couldnt even find the vids >.> let me go find some first

nvm ignore me.. saw the vid in shenhe main... i guess this thing is useless

[wet lantern]

@leaden stag hey sorry for the ping. just wondering have you had a chance to test the cd on c1 shenhe? i.e. what happens if she presses then holds (right after another) and the vice versa? how long does the first vs second charge recharge? does it respect what was pressed?

[leaden stag]

ohh i havent tested it, let me do it real quick then get back to you

thanks for notifying btw, I didnt think about it

[wet lantern]

np. was just trying to fix it in sim and realized that haha

kinda obscure...

[crimson compass]

@soft drift just visually while recording footage for the pixel counting, no actual pixels counted yet, it seems the engulfing storm leyline disorder is not affected by ER, off field units get the same amount of energy drain as the on field unit, and the burst cost of the character's do change it, visually at least. The pixel counting will probably help us determine if the energy drain is a fixed amount or percentage based, my gut says fixed amount since if it was percentage based then the energy guage wouldn't look different between burst costs

[hasty wigeon]

@wooden fog you can just use this

[soft drift]

where does Kokomi's A4 and Q dmg bonus go in the dmg formula

is it
(attack*mv+hp*(q bonus+hb*0.15))*(dmg bonus)?

[signal breach]

Yes, its added HP based MV

[soft drift]

@hasty wigeon

subs distributed by solver add up to 23

once i removed the 3rd condition

it worked fine

just fyi

wait its back to not working again

fixed it condition 4 has a typo

d90 to d95 instead of d96

so remove 3rd and change 4th

also can a weapons and artifact table be added while ya are at it?

where do i find most updated sheet btw

been using the one in shenhe mains

[hasty wigeon]

Ive been trying to figure out weapon scaling

Not sure how it works

Its like

Definitely mega fucked

But i cant figure out how its mega fucked yet

[hasty wigeon]

old one

also the current subs box is typoed

87 to 96

[soft drift]

@hasty wigeon for your ER calc suggestion, were u thinking of a dropdown box for funnelling and calcing each instance particles/energy is generated while keeping track of dynamic buffs or a sim like sheet

sim like as in taking particle collection frames into account

as well as switch cd, energy drain frames on burst, ect

the former obviously being more practical

[wet lantern]

oh btw, may be of interest to you but we been noticing a lot of issues with the value provided by ERC (not yours - haven't tried that one yet) ever since we added a graph showing damage over time in gcsim viewer. namely ERC using averaging of particles only provides an ER value that's good 50% of the time (sort of) and vastly underestimate the ER requirement. particularly noticeable when you have RNG particles like fischl, fav, raiden, etc... rotation basically falls apart on the 2nd or third loop

[soft drift]

ah , average particles are reached 50% of the time since

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OmKQtfEbX8TijSwCc-dbs2G3zBcLyMSz7Sy3aDKi2Ck/edit?usp=sharing

[wet lantern]

not quite sure what im looking at here haha

are you just proving that it's 50%?

[soft drift]

are my msges getting deleted

bruh

auto mod

[soft drift]

made a simple table in sheet 2 calcing the cumulative prob of particle gen based on the average particle gen

[wet lantern]

oh i see

[soft drift]

i think it automodded me cos i said

the short form of cumulative

[soft drift]

yeah that can probably solve the problems your sim faces?

[wet lantern]

oh sim doesnt have that issue

lol

i was pointing out that calcs done using average particle based ER calc have that issue

[soft drift]

haha ig ill intergrate this into the ER calc then

[wet lantern]

i was just pointing out that a lot of calcs, particularly ones involving fischl/raiden, where if the author takes the er pumped out by er calc and then run that rotation in sim, the rotation tend to start falling apart on the 2nd and third loop

and you can visually see that on the sim dps over time graph which shows mean dps over time and +/- 1 std dev

sometimes the -1 std dev is literally sitting at 0 lol

[soft drift]

BINOM.INV function

Gonna use that

[ebon walrus]

May my yellow name ruin all you blue names

[ebon walrus]

where did you even get this I thought you didn't have these files

[wet lantern]

dim repo excels

[dusty osprey]

its a nice datamine but of course we dont get server side info

https://github.com/Dimbreath/GenshinData

[terse notch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gA1Ek0MTZ46goi7LZwY6KwVLsWNYZynqAdKj13jmZPU/edit?usp=sharing I'm currently working on a Xinyan Weapon list (rn up to 5* weapons) to make chosing weapons for her easier for new players, and i wanted to see if anyone would like to revise it or give it a look as this is my first time making something like this any feedback is appreciated and expect a lot of errors

[hybrid mortar]

I have calculated the damage an idealized Ayato would deal in his E.

It's a little approximated but with the ideal circumstance that he has 100CR:200CD, with a decent amount of HP % rolls and ATK % rolls per artifact, using his signature weapon, with idealized max stacks on both weapon and E skill (It takes him 2 hits to get E stacks max, and weapon should be max upon unleash), and a VERY ROUGH estimate of his 4P Set Bonus which I decreed would be 35%, I found that Ayato deals an average of 8314.9 Hydro Damage per slash, and a total of 124,724 damage during the 6 second duration of his elemental skill.

This was done on paper, I will send a pic.

[muted grotto]

This is him solo or with buffs from team?

[hybrid mortar]

No team buffs except the sword's stacks

[muted grotto]

Gotcha

[pastel urchin]

I would recommend using google sheets instead of paper but good work, the calcs look accurate

[muted grotto]

Yeah I double checked it on my template our results matched out pretty well

[dusty osprey]

Echoes of an Offering 4-Piece Bonus: When a Normal Attack hits opponents, there is a 36% chance that it will trigger Valley Rite, which will increase Normal Attack Damage by 60% of ATK.
this should be the state diagram for the procs

set as system of equations

h1 = 1 + .64h2
h2 = 1 + .44h3
h3 = 1 + .24h4
h4 = 1 + .04h5
h5 = 1

solve for h1 (how many times you have to auto attack if you start with the first hit)

h1 ~ 1.992

the chance of procing ~ 50.2%

overall damage is
60% * .50.2= 30.1%

[velvet dirge]

I calculated his damages with jade cutter + Bennett, Kazuha C0 and Yun Jin C6 and it was around 20k/attack with HoD and only 18k (average) with the new set

[hybrid mortar]

Sounds acceptable, mine was raw

[livid cloud]

I calced ayato(pjc) venti xq yun jin at a 32k dps avg against 2 enemies

[terse notch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OYsY9YH4NYdmX2DjRCOs4ckZ758FmtmLRvB00SghPSQ/edit?usp=sharing i finished my spreadsheet if anyone wants to take a look at it

[spice wagon]

anyone know if pryo resonance does anything wonky with damage calculations?
I built a damage calculator and it gets damage right within .1%
but if i use pyro resonance and input the numbers, my expected damage number is higher than the actual number by about 2.5%.
Im just wondering if pyro resonance is buggy or weird for not giving us the full expected damage

[livid cloud]

Yes it gives 25% attack which would explain the higher damage.

[spice wagon]

no thats not what I mean

with the new total attack after the resonance buff, we should be getting a higher damage number yes. But if you calculate out that damage, and then see the actual damage, we are dealing 2% LESS damage than we SHOULD be dealing. Its not huge, but it is definitely there. a gap between actual and expected damage. without pyro resonance is fine, all my numbers are on point. with pyro resonance and the new total atk, all numbers are off by a consistent ~2%

at first I thought maybe it was the element i was using, but it is a consistent ~2% for all damage types and characters under the influence of pyro resonance

[toxic arch]

maybe its just rounding error in ur calc or hidden decimals the game doesnt show

[spice wagon]

I thought about that but I get the exact number without pyro resonance. Even with a slightly off by one atk point, it shouldn't be a whopping 2% difference

[hasty wigeon]

oh, you built a damage calculator?

send it over, if its good you get a role

[spice wagon]

Unless you can show me your own calculations, pls dont comment bc all responses I have gotten asking about this is not helpful in the slightest. Thanks. I dont mean to come off as a dickhead but im tired of nobody giving me a real answer lol

[hasty wigeon]

bruh im just offering you a role

[cedar zodiac]

even though it may not be helpful now, we can give criticism about the calculator and you can try to improve it, its just a cycle of criticism and improvement. we all learn from mistakes

[spice wagon]

Ya im not mad at you lol, just the other "feedback" that literally does not help me. I dm'd you the link though

[muted grotto]

[spice wagon]

Sorry ayato enjoyer, I was typing that response before you sent lol, and then I had to wait for slowmode

[hasty wigeon]

actually why is there such a slowmode, we could just take mod action against meaningless chatter here anyway

@buoyant spruce I dont have manage channel perms

Hm, im fine with giving you the role, this looks pretty dank, even if the results look slightly off

[spice wagon]

While im here though, I guess the rest of you guys can take a look at it. https://chibbluffy.github.io/just-genshin-things/fullDamageCalculator.html

It assumes a level 90 enemy with 10% elemental and physical resists atm. Im gonna add some customization to that later, as well as add in special character scalings for hu tao, Zhongli, yoimiya, etc. I also need to fix shenhe E bc it apparently uses her own buff from it

[hasty wigeon]

Also your manage enemy tab is broken

[spice wagon]

Ya I disabled it bc I didnt want anyone messing with it yet lolol

But ya, all other calculators I am aware of need full inputs of complete artifact stats and everything, which is tedious. So I made a much simpler one for just final stats

I would like feedback on the calculator itself though. Just, with my pyro resonance question, please stick to either quietness or actual calculation thoughts/advice that isnt just a surface thought like turn it off and on again

[cedar zodiac]

i think talent 1-3 might be confusing to some people as they are well known as AA, E, Q. Also with talent 1 or AA as i am assuming, when it counts as elemental dmg, it should give a list of elements such as pyro, cryo, etc as chongyun and c6 bennett (yes, i am one of them) exist in the game.

[spice wagon]

I have a checkbox for is it elemental for each talent, so thats not an issue. I can add some description on hover or something for AA, E Q but I would like to keep it referencing talent for now until I figure out something better to refer to it as. Since like, hu tao E does no damage but is a skill that buffs her, same as yoimiya.

And in terms of elemental damage types, you just input elemental bonus in the box. That is the elemental bonus number it will use in the calculation. So if you do use chongyun or Benny c6, then enter your cryo or Pyro elemental bonus respectively. Whichever one you want to find out, then scroll down to the spot in the table you are looking for. Its meant to be simple, I dont want to make it tooooo complicated

[cedar zodiac]

wait, where is it cause i cant seem to find it on the calculator?

[cobalt blaze]

Is removed

[wooden belfry]

Not sure if this is the right place, but I was bored today, and decided to make a semi-useful tool for calculating the probabilities of the character event banner:
basically, all you need to do, is input if you failed a 50/50 recently, then input your current pity count [amount of rolls without a 5 star], and it will generate a tailor made graph and data file detailing the EXACT probability of any given roll to give you the event character.
I made it mostly for fun and to dust off my very basic math and coding skills, but I feel like some people who'd want to truly understand how the odds of character banners work could make use of it.

It currently only works in octave GNU, an open source free coding platform, but if anyone here know how to code and knows how to make my code more accessible to anyone to use i'd love to hear some tips :)

(btw, I've made a wishing simulator in the past that simulated 1 million iterations of wishing, and today compared the results to this new probability approach, 100% match, it was so great to see it actually working as intended )

[crimson compass]

@lime nebula have you see the new changes to the echoes set and how it would affect Yoimiya?

[lime nebula]

[crimson compass]

do you want me to calc the avg MV added to yoi now with the changes so you can update your calc?

or you can do it

[lime nebula]

We're currently trying to modify the CN script, but you can do your magic and we'll see if we get the same result if you want to

The set has potential now I think, it's really only one hit in the entire NA chain that cannot proc the probability increase now

[crimson compass]

i got 30.12% avg added MV

if i did the math correctly:
50.2% * 18 = 9.036
9.036/21 = 0.4302857…
0.430…* 70% = 0.3012

[lime nebula]

Yeah, I think the assumptions are very much correct with 18 hits, but my friend wants to do a simulation as he doesn't trust the math behind it 100%

With your assumption the new set would pull ahead now with 1 Q every 2 rotations (over 2 rots)

Without Yunjin the difference seems especially massive now

wait, something's wrong with the numbers there

[crimson compass]

my numbers or the numbers in your sheet?

[lime nebula]

Just my sheet acting up, all good

[lime nebula]

Seems like your math adds up too

[crimson compass]

huge

[lime nebula]

I'll use 30% for now and update the sheet

the CN guy might update his post soon as well

[crimson compass]

sounds good

[lime nebula]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CpFoCsnMLHUyopRZFfvJUBwctvDjh0LN_cnWMcSxaJM/edit?usp=sharing

[unkempt nexus]

This only holds under the assumption that N1-2 doesn't contribute at all. However if N1-1 doesn't proc the set, N1-2 still may (with an increased probability even, given that the N1-1 instance was a failure). I made python script to simulate it and get the chance of each dmg instance getting buffed in a string of attacks, it only needs the exact frames at which attacks happen. Though there is one assumption I made: If for example Yoimiya's N1-1 procs the buff, N1-2 will not be able to increase the chance for N2. But if this assumption ends up being wrong I can easily change it.

def simulate_attack_string_once(times, total_NAs):
    list = []
    threshold = 0.36
    previous_time = -1
    for i in range(total_NAs):
        time_since_previous_proc = abs(times[i%len(times)] - previous_time)
        if time_since_previous_proc<0.2:
            list.append(0)
        else:
            random = np.random.uniform()
            if random <= threshold:
                threshold = 0.36
                previous_time = times[i%len(times)]
                list.append(1)
            else:
                threshold += 0.2
                list.append(0)
    return np.array(list)

def simulate_multiple_times(n, times, total_NAs):
    total = np.zeros(total_NAs)
    for i in range(n):
        total += simulate_attack_string_once(times, total_NAs)
    return np.round(total/n,4)

time_list = np.array([18, 27, 51, 88, 113, 128, 164])/60
chance_per_instance = simulate_multiple_times(1000000, time_list, 24)
print(chance_per_instance)

Overall, this results in slightly higher dmg

[unkempt nexus]

Hey I actually made something like that too, but in python. Recently I took reinvesting starglitter into summons into account as well, so I had to keep track of every constellation haha. I've also implemented the weapon banner as well. It looks something like this:

[wooden belfry]

Oh sick! I have literally 0 knowledge when it comes to displaying the data, your way of presenting it is really nice

[unkempt nexus]

Thank you, I played around a lot with matplotlib. What do you use btw? I don't recognize it immediately

[wooden belfry]

And yea I didn't account for starglitter, as it added yet another RNG i needed to keep an eye on

[unkempt nexus]

My only problem is that I don't know how to make my stuff useable to others sadly. So I'm not able to share it

[wooden belfry]

its octave GNU, basically the free and open source version of matlab

[unkempt nexus]

Oh I see

[crimson compass]

N1-2 doesn't contribute at all unlike N4-2 because the set only triggers every 0.2s and between the two arrows in N1 is 0.15s while in N4 it's 0.25s

[unkempt nexus]

You're right that the set only triggers once every 0.2 sec. But if the N1-1 hasn't triggered the set yet, N1-2 still may

[wooden belfry]

btw, just wondering about your approach, do you go for simulating runs, or did you actually go through the tough route of mathing it all out? Because now that I tried calculating it through probablity math, computation dropped to literally zero time, but i had to fry my brain in the process

[unkempt nexus]

Yeah I'm not smart enough to do the probability math haha , but idk how I would approach stuff like that when reinvesting starglitter anyway

maybe a smarter person would know how to do it without simulations

[crimson compass]

we don't know if that's true either

[unkempt nexus]

Well, if you'd read the artifact set, you'd see that it would imply that

[wooden belfry]

for how far you went with your calculations, it would honestly be a nightmare to write and fact check. Just to give you a taste, I have to add an entire dimention to my array of data for EVERY POSSIBLE 5 STAR that you get from the banner, wanted or not
So for character banner, just going for c0 calculation is 2D, and weapon banner is 3D specific for R1 weapon. Going for c6R1 probability approach would require you to use a 15D array and at that point you might as well simulate as it will take less time and power

[crimson compass]

the CN community calced it in a way that N1-2 and N4-2 didn't contribute at all using the original CN

[wooden belfry]

that's without counting starglitter

[unkempt nexus]

Oh yeah it was very much a pain, it's also not that efficient. It takes over an hour to generate these graphs . But I haven't parallelized my code yet. I should really do that

[wooden belfry]

@unkempt nexus, if you'd want to look at how I calculated the probabilities for a personalized banner run, feel free to pm me and ill pass you the code :)

[unkempt nexus]

That same poster apparently also said that N1-2 could potentially proc the artifact set, but it wouldn't make that much of a difference. And he's right about the latter

[wooden belfry]

[tho, idk if you'll be able to understand if you've never bumped into mathlab-type of code before]

[unkempt nexus]

Oh for sure I'd love to see it, I haven't worked with matlab yet, but I can try to read it. I used monte carlo methods for mine in case you're curious

[wooden belfry]

ah yea, I saw genshin wishes used that as well. I just drew on a piece of paper the probability tree and went with it

[unkempt nexus]

damn sounds like a lot of work, but seems you figured it out. Because I'd get the same graph if I wanted to summon one five star

[sacred hazel]

i kinda sound like a spammer now since i posted this in a few channels, but...

4pc Shimenawa's Reminiscence vs 4pc Echoes of an Offering on Yoimiya Level 10 Normals

could someone verify is this is a good simulation by me? thanks!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tL4SgDJpX5yy_GUGn9LFVjN4KxJRKlGa/edit#gid=1853466436

[north meadow]

Might take some time cuz most pips who usually peer review stuff are not online yet

[sacred hazel]

oh no, that's sad, just gonna see tomorrow then as it is midnight rn here

[north meadow]

Gn

[unkempt nexus]

If you scroll back up a little I wrote the same thing but for the probability of buffing each dmg instance in a 3N5 N2 Yoi string, in which the 0.2 sec delay was taken into account. The result is a list of probabilities, in which each element corresponds to the probability of that dmg instance receiving the buff:
[0.3605 0.3578 0.4727 0.4926 0.5034 0.5052 0.5003 0.5023 0.3214 0.4376
0.4864 0.5099 0.5047 0.4994 0.5031 0.3209 0.4381 0.4861 0.5101 0.5058
0.4984 0.5027 0.3215 0.4379]

though the script can be used for any unit as long as we know their frames, you'd just need to input that and how many attack you want to perform

On average my script results in a 32 atk% buff on every hit. Though the probabilities for each hit are of course not the same

I don't see your script taking the 0.2s time delay between procs into account though. Unless I'm blind, because I barely work with excel

[sacred hazel]

I see there are a lot of people who looked into the new artifact for Yoimiya

Also I'm a newbie in terms of this stuff, but what I can understand is that SR is better but Echoes would potentially be better given very specific conditions

[sacred hazel]

Also, that's because I assumed that there's more than 0.2s delay between each attack.

[sacred hazel]

And btw the calculations on this use only the talent percentages and artifact bonus

It would be a pain to consider weapon passives, crit, EM, enemy def, etc

[unkempt nexus]

Only the time between N1-1 and N1-2 is shorter than 0.2 without atk speed

[livid cloud]

Do we have any itto sheets

[north meadow]

Ask raikh or Emi or Zack

[livid cloud]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-_4lEYCBHeowsx6uxmjATWGitkQt2V_v/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=103654676866828657993&rtpof=true&sd=true

Here is an ayato sheet do I need to make any changes

Assuming Bennett q only till first ayato e ends and half of first fishcl q

[toxic arch]

did u mess up ur atk% values?

[livid cloud]

How come?? Idts

[livid cloud]

Is it the 31500% cause idk why it shows like that it's actually 315 feather attk

[toxic arch]

ah ok lol

[livid cloud]

Yhea

[livid cloud]

Can someone pls send an ayaka freeze team calc?

[limber narwhal]

read assumptions, dont take out of context, etc.
By Charlie from KQM:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zK06oG0sEN03j2CB8k7Ce4L9ZaLFvD_k2nplEkEL2aY/edit#gid=1490807268
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yY3dx75CvHM2PbJVjzbXxrLE7WU3sROTbqP3Dcz_6FI/edit#gid=1490807268
By Veggie Based on Steno's Video:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18xFaIZp6N20zCoG1c-8N4SPldYQllpZwFqtLsVlrSA8/edit#gid=496802171
By Ayzel (expand message, scroll down):
#851428030094114847 message

[livid cloud]

Ok

Hmm thanks seems solid

[pastel urchin]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IVZZlRpTVGbmlsWyvY-NHXf4WLVh_8u7REA6fe1sXhI/edit?usp=sharing Here's one I used for the Shenhe guide, it does not include Kazuha/Kokomi damage output, but that you can infer and add yourself fairly easily

[livid cloud]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gzcBankbqr8eHoMkYryeEuf-Y2A7p8Bj/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=103654676866828657993&rtpof=true&sd=true

This is ayato freeze.

[scarlet summit]

Does the echoes set represent a relevant Yoimiya buff or is it yet another artifact set that doesn't really make her that powerful to the bag?

[grand sphinx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tL4SgDJpX5yy_GUGn9LFVjN4KxJRKlGa/edit#gid=1853466436 scroll up mate

[broken skiff]

Do we have sheet for Raiden teams, with C0-C2 and Catch-EL?

Raiden national, Raikou, Raiden Hyper, Raiden Yae Sara Anemo etc

[neon zealot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WfqzHy2lbs50yHR4jbl_6Sdw34b-Ctjt8LPytcMsm6A/edit#gid=394415614

this one iirc, idk if there's anything else

[broken skiff]

It’s not loading 😦

[neon zealot]

oof, it's probably privated then-,

sorry-,

[granite hornet]

where did all raikh's sheets go

[broken skiff]

Nah it loaded after like 4 minutes

I think I just have to wait for the orange thing to come into

Out

Because I’m between orange and yellow

Cuz I have a few sig weapons

And after this raidens rerun ima try and get C2

[elder cliff]

I'm so sorry my sheet is too heavy. I guess fixing my sheet is my 1st priority for now

[broken skiff]

Nah it worked in the end

My phones probably just slow

Dw bout it

Can’t wait for the orange category

[lethal oyster]

apparently we can talk here

@rugged spire i just wanna draw your attention

[rugged spire]

[lethal oyster]

so peaceful, pls smh dont let people find out this place

[north meadow]

This is serious number chat

No one will come here trust

[lethal oyster]

only a matter of time till someone accidentally clicks this place and accidentally finds out and starts spamming. idk what is going on but spamming wont help. why people spam

[neon zealot]

if ppl come here, just put 1 day slowmode :D

[rugged spire]

good idea

[north meadow]

Oh good idea

[lethal oyster]

I hope no one comes tho

[outer crow]

Have I gained access to Valhalla

[cedar zodiac]

No. We still working out something for the TC Section

[rugged spire]

banned /j

[fading light]

It really feels like that community pizza meme.
I just come here to look at sheets and now the whole place is on fire

[elder cliff]

ikr

[merry tree]

are there sukokomon dps tables

[cedar zodiac]

by dps tables sheets you mean?

[merry tree]

yes same difference

[cedar zodiac]

hold on, let me get terra's

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xXNuJOmlS0kGPtnFmeSnPSUByljRnMpAOg9CtODUtC0/edit#gid=1722123334

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13M4BWA0bBB-p-cANDIfkWD0_JhkvgXyNhiQiyH4nV2k/edit#gid=1722123334

[merry tree]

ty

[knotty oyster]

hello are there any non c6 fischl raifish calcs ? also on this gcsim: https://gcsim.app/viewer/share/RgkwVYd7w8m-541cVkwg2
it says fischl and benny are on 9/9/9 not 9/11/11 but c5 benny and c6 fish

[signal breach]

The Cons from C3 and C5 are added automatically upon enabling the Cons, the listed Talent Levels are just the Base, so they have T12 active there.
And here is the same Setup just with C0 Fischl:
https://gcsim.app/viewer/share/b_W-PvvjJsLUQhWmXCfgA
And for reference, C5 Fischl is ~57.5k primary target DPS, so her C6 is quite a lot of value, but overall Team DPS is still very good even with non-C6 Fischl.

[knotty oyster]

Oohh icic tysm Raikh

its a 5k dps difference for one con

need to get my c6 i only need one more

[signal breach]

It varies a little on the combo used for Raiden, since the extra C6 Procs trigger on NAs. The optimal 3x N3C + N1C Raiden combo doesn't currently work in the Sim and my current profile emulates its damage by using a combo that nets more Fischl C6 Procs to make up for the difference. That combo however ironically works only in the Sim, but not in reality, in opposition to 3x N3C + N1C, which works in reality but not in the Sim.

So in reality you might have 1k DPS more on Raiden and 1k DPS less from C6 Fischl, making her C6 more along the lines of 4k Primary Target DPS, which also means the C0-C5 Fischl Primary Target DPS would also be about 1k higher.

[knotty oyster]

Ooohh so i should do normal n3c combo then since i dont hve my c6 fish yet

oh wait so in theory the n3c could be more dmg yea if not c6 fish

[signal breach]

You should do that in any case, especially in multi-target Raiden's CAs are favored due to their better AoE.
The combo used in the Sim is a performatively equivalent placeholder, till the actually ideal combo is fixed to work in the Sim.

If thats confusing I might fix it to use the next best functional, realistic combo, which would likely lower DPS by around 1k till 3x N3C + N1C works in the Sim eventually.

[knotty oyster]

ah okok gotcha ty for the info

[broken skiff]

does anyone have an hu Tao sheets?

[spark abyss]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10k-CdESEPWhzS7lIxMulooTN6LuPlaBDRJaG7lWz1S4/edit#gid=291100292 heres some hutao yunjin

[elder cliff]

Research on how latency affects swap time (Swap Latency)

Methodology = Normal swap. Frame count start when swap command is inputted (confirmed by OBS). Frame count end when the swapped char is on the field.

Testing notes = Tested with using various latencies produced by using different VPN locations (100km-7000km). 7 different latencies were tested. 6 samples collected per latency. Outlier samples are excluded from calc (due to concern from my unstable net). Outlier happened 2 times from 42 samples.

Finding =
There is a flat 70-80ms addition to the current player's latency to determine swap latency. Thus the swap latency increases linearly as the latency increases.

Disclaimer = I still don't know if I can really rely on single variable for the calc, that is latency. Something about net/latency that might skew the results due to the test were only conducted by me atm. Different PC/location/VPN/latency may give different result. I feel like this test is very sus right now because this 'flat' 80ms addition to the latency happens to be almost the same as the latency I have when I use no VPN (85-95ms). Further testing from different tester needed to confirm/debunk.

Further research/recommendation =
Tests on different scenarios, maybe something like QuickSwap Q (using Alt+1/2/3/4), or input buffers, etc.

[astral flax]

Inspired and helped by @dusty osprey and a paper from KQM on Royal Weapons, here's the calcs on the effective proc chance of the new Echoes set that KB found earlier in February. Effective proc chance is about 50.2% (lower bound) which means effective attack boost to NA is 70% x 50.2% = 35.14% (lower bound), as KB found

[elder cliff]

ok. I think I need more test on this. It seems like from my tests that Raiden's Q Combo C cast time is faster for the first charge. I mean the first N1C for example is about ~10f faster than the next N1C. I'm still looking whether the N recovery that is faster or buffer anim for C that is faster. Because the N1 anim itself is normal and very stable. But the C is not.

Requirement : Have Raiden. 60fps recorder. Time to spare. Not-boomer hands.
Methodology : It's simple. Just record yourself doing Raiden Q>3xN1C against Ruin Guard. After that record again but change the combo to Q>3xN2C.

H0: It's skill issue (my skill issue). That means my results weren't replicable by yours.
H1 : It's unique mech. Everybody's having the same result.

[cedar zodiac]

this is totally my first take and i did not retake this cause i did n3c

[elder cliff]

is this your graphic setting or not?

Your footage is at 60fps but it's like 30fps recording that 'extended' to 60fps

I kept seeing 2 frames that are exactly the same

[cedar zodiac]

its 60

[elder cliff]

probably I'll make a separate project file

I might miss 1-2f, I guess it's still withing margin of error. But anyway

N1C Cast Frames
My test = 98, 102, 100, 102, 102
Your test = 96, 100, 96, 104, 106

for now it looks like the Null Hypothesis is still holding its ground firmly

I'll check the N2C nao

[elder cliff]

your recording is set to 30fps

[cedar zodiac]

ill try and fix the recorder settings

[elder cliff]

there's no need tho

1 frame difference ain't really that deciding

you'll just make me redo my framecount lol

but yeah, maybe you can fix it for further tests when it needed for another time

[cedar zodiac]

[elder cliff]

N2C Cast Frames
My test = 117, 128, 128, 128
Your test = 122, 118, 128, 128

ok I feel like this is just "skill issue" or something about buffer mechanics thaat I haven't yet understand

but for now I'll stay with the null hypothesis and take the median for the timings until I figure out about this buffer mech

thanks for the help @cedar zodiac

[cedar zodiac]

aight, glad to be of help

[elder cliff]

btw I'm closing my request above. It's concluded. Basically player technique a.k.a skill issue ™️

[merry tree]

does anyone have the dps tables of childe taser and sucrose taser

[heady jackal]

Anyone have any sources on Xinyan's NA frames and her best combos?

[cedar zodiac]

https://library.keqingmains.com/characters/pyro/xinyan

https://keqingmains.com/xinyan/

also you could ask noir about her

[heady jackal]

Finally, a channel where people can give something useful instead of memes

Also whose Noir? I am relatively new here

[cedar zodiac]

@muted grotto someone needs xinyan knowledge

[muted grotto]

Hi

I don’t rlly know anything about her NAs cuz her CA is way better at c6

The kqm guide has best combos for her NAs tho

If you have her at C6 you wanna do E Q CA for full 5s usually

[heady jackal]

After getting some answers from the Xinyan mains, kinda silent sometimes, and reading the guide, so it is N2 into CA?

[heady jackal]

Oh I see

[muted grotto]

I believe the guide says N2 for pre c6 combos yeah

[heady jackal]

I did test Xinyan in Spiral Abyss, and trying her into both the Rifthounds and Vishaps, I noticed Xinyan's slow movement during CA, add the fact she requires time to get out of her CA with the final slash, fairs kinda poorly against them

[muted grotto]

What constellation do you have her at?

[heady jackal]

She is relatively averaged built but not at her best

C6

[muted grotto]

https://youtu.be/NJUnKPoy7J8 here’s mine against rifthounds

[heady jackal]

Oh wow, you went C6 Bennett

[muted grotto]

Yeah Xinyan with c6 bennet is very powerful

It lets you build her for pyro damage and utilize the pyro damage of her E and burst as well, which both have very high MVs

And also let’s her use buffs like Kazuha and VV

I’ve calced pyro Xinyan to be about a 10k team dps increase over physical

[heady jackal]

Yeah, Physical feels underwhelming lately, especially when it seems that Hoyoverse now looks to be commited to have the game be centered around Elemental damage

I see that your do only one rotation of Xinyan before repeating the entire team rotation

[muted grotto]

Correct she only needs 8s field time

Her rotations are extremely smooth

She just comes in and does E Q CA for 5s then swap back to supports

Makes it extremely easy to get full buff uptimes on her

And be able to fully rotate the rest of the team without extending rotations

[heady jackal]

I always figured that would be one of her strengths, especially coming from maining Razor and Xiao who takes way too much field time

[muted grotto]

Yup it absolutely is a huge advantage she has over selfish characters

[heady jackal]

What artifacts did you run on her in the video?

[muted grotto]

As much as people meme on her shield it’s also one of her big advantages

[muted grotto]

Lavawalker

[muted grotto]

Her shield may not be the strongest in the world but as you can see in the video it’s letting me facetank a good amount of hits, including the geo debuff waves, without worry

And she only has about 5s of her field time where the shield can be broke to begin with so she is extremely safe for the most part

[heady jackal]

Basically, her shield allows her to be a bruiser of some sorts as I heard some people try to describe her

[muted grotto]

Basically yeah

Her shield ain’t the best in the world but it doesn’t need to be

[heady jackal]

I always tempted to to C6 Bennett but always afraid how much it could mess up some teams

[muted grotto]

It serves its purpose of letting her spin uninterrupted

[muted grotto]

There really aren’t many teams it messes up tbh

[heady jackal]

Too bad, people keep failing to realize that benefit of her shield

[muted grotto]

Like it messes up melt bennet but for main dps bennet at c6 you can just transition to vape bennet overload bennet or overload+vape bennet

[heady jackal]

Does it mess up the typical reverse vape Xiangling team?

[muted grotto]

Not that I’m aware of

Am glad to see a fellow Xinyan enjoyer

[heady jackal]

Now I am even more tempted to activate Benny boi's C6

[muted grotto]

https://youtu.be/mKk3zddQpU0

https://youtu.be/FdE5uNcx23g

[heady jackal]

With all this talk of Xinyan's C6, before someone can get that constellation, her usual N2 into CA is not so bad, is it?

[muted grotto]

I can’t really speak on pre c6

I’ve always had her at c6

[heady jackal]

It makes me think she is really constellation reliant

[muted grotto]

She is

[heady jackal]

Than most characters

Luckily she is a four star

[muted grotto]

All of her constellations are really good

Like, every single one of her constellations is a pretty crucial part of her kit

Her base kit at c0 looks incomplete

[heady jackal]

Hoyoverse really intentionally did that to her back then looking back now

[muted grotto]

Fortunately those constellations make her extremely powerful tho

[heady jackal]

Thankfully

[muted grotto]

Most people don’t realize just how strong she is when played right

[heady jackal]

Yeah it is kinda sad

[muted grotto]

: been tryna tell people how good she is for months

[heady jackal]

I honestly got way more out of here in under 30 minutes than I did asking anywhere else, with the exception of the Xinyan mains discord

[muted grotto]

you just so happened to ask in server with a resident Xinyan main

[heady jackal]

Good thing I asked here then

[muted grotto]

I’m in Xinyan mains but I don’t check their often cuz it’s dead

[heady jackal]

Say, anyone here notable for maining and theorycrafting other niche characters like Razor and Yanfei?

[muted grotto]

I also tried to get in contact with the author of the Xinyan guide on kqm to collab and her a section for pyro Xinyan added since it’s actually her strongest team, but I haven’t gotten a response in like 6 months

[heady jackal]

Like you for Xinyan

You can try contacting the head of the KQM or something

[muted grotto]

Uhh I think we have some yanfei mains

[heady jackal]

Or be persistent in contacting the writer of the Xinyan guide

Or maybe make your own. I believe WFP is making their own guide website?

[muted grotto]

I considered just writing a guide of my own yeah

But is a lot of work

Might give it a try tho

I’ve been wanting to do that for quite some time

One of my roadblocks with it was I can’t record Phys rotations since my bennet is c6

[heady jackal]

I was interested to get into theorycrafting, by starting with Xinyan since there is not much out there for her, alongside Razor and Yanfei but was overwhelmed

[muted grotto]

So when I tried to record the rotations and count the reactions my counts were invalid cuz of my bennet c6

[heady jackal]

Perhaps you can try asking someone with a decently built Xinyan for clips?

[muted grotto]

Perhaps

[heady jackal]

Anyways, what teams do you use with Pyro Xinyan? C6 Bennett. I remember the first video you shared had Kazuha for obvious reasons. But why Albedo?

[muted grotto]

Albedo was only there for the geo wolves

4th is supposed to be Rosaria or Xiangling

Rotation
Bennet E 1
Kazuha QE 3.2
Bennet Q 1
Rosaria EQ 1
Xinyan EQ CA 8
Bennet E 1
Kazuh E 1.7
Rosaria E 1

this is the rotation its supposed to follow with Rosaria

benefit of using rosaria is you get to run shorter and smoother rotation than xiangling but ER needs are a few subs higher

I think with rosaria you will want 2 CW 2 EOSF on xinyan instead of 4 LW

she needs like 155 ER in this variant

well if using skyward pride then energy also isnt a concern

tho pride is a bit less powerful in pyro build than phys - tho at same time rosaria provides extra phys shred for it

im rambling lol I love xinyan

[heady jackal]

Xinyan wants more ER in this ER?

How about something like 2CW and 2Glad/Shimenawa?

[muted grotto]

I think 2 EOSF would be way better

Cuz it saves you some subs for more crit subs

And she isn’t lacking on attack

She hits close to 4k attack with her c6 plus bennet noblesse and pyro resonance

I’m gonna calc the team again later - I calced it last year but was on my old unprofessional template

So need to do it over now that I have a new template

Also @heady jackal another thing a lot of people don’t realize is her c6 buff works on all her damage not just CA

As soon as her CA animation starts she gets the attack buff

So you actually get it on some of her E and Q DoT

[heady jackal]

I did not know about that until now

[muted grotto]

Yeah the wording on it is awful

Probably the most poorly worded thing in the game

[heady jackal]

And here I thought Lisa's entire kit is poorly worded or missing out information

@muted grotto So much ER does Xinyan need most of the time?

[muted grotto]

Like 130-155

[cedar zodiac]

idk why Geo Resonance 15% DMG when shielded does not snapshot on snapshottable skills

strange

[muted grotto]

Same

[cedar zodiac]

this sucks on albedo

the dmg could have been higher on him on my calc if the 15% dmg bonus snapshots on the blossoms

[muted grotto]

Ikr :HuTaoSadge:

[weak pagoda]

Wait does Albedo Q snapshot? And what about his E? Cuz I put Gorou E then his E

[muted grotto]

His E snapshots and his Q’s fatal blossoms “snapshot” as in they use whatever stats he had when his E was cast

The cast Q dmg doesn’t do that tho just the blossoms

[cedar zodiac]

all of his kit are snapshottable

its just the resonance being clunky

that it doesnt read the 15% dmg when shielded onto off field dmg

[weak pagoda]

So all blossoms dont snapshot, will they have higher dmg w Gorou E active?

[muted grotto]

They do snapshot

[cedar zodiac]

they do, its the resonance being clunky

mihoyo needs to fix this, the dmg is not so high even with high def

[weak pagoda]

I see

[pine ivy]

Gorou is impossible to make a main DPS

[weak pagoda]

Wait, why geo reso clunky?

[pine ivy]

[pine ivy]

What is it again?

[cedar zodiac]

the 15% dmg bonus when shielded doesnt snapshot to off-field dmg

tested it with oz, fischl on-field deals more than she is off-field even though i had shield up before summoning oz

[heady jackal]

@muted grotto hey, what is the exactly interval of the hits from Xinyan's CA?

Every 0.5s?

[muted grotto]

Not sure tbh

I usually get 11 hits in the 5 seconds tho, plus the final swing

[heady jackal]

Is her CA also affected by hitlag? When I tried, it does not feel and look like it

[muted grotto]

It should be

[eternal echo]

How good is Echo set on childe ? Is HoD still his BiS ?

[wooden tusk]

Does new one have hope to be better then +20 one for ayaka?

[elder cliff]

also @wooden tusk you can ask in #・tc-lounge . This channel is mainly for theorycrafting work/discussions

[wooden tusk]

Ok

[muted grotto]

@heady jackal https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exH-mu4acaILYFDzycTyco4WoLH1DFeEFzn_YaVRziQ/edit?usp=sharing finished putting the Xiangling version of pure pyro xinyan on sheet

[heady jackal]

Alright thanks then

This really looks like a lot of work

Oh yeah, does anyone know a list of enemy resistances in the game?

[cedar zodiac]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wVY_BAj43AjRLqOOdjvXm-4_7FFraPOnFyie2gGBB70/edit?usp=sharing

[heady jackal]

Oooo, thanks

[lapis karma]

Hey, does anyone know if sunfire jean swirls all the players at once in coop?

[cedar zodiac]

i need someone to test this

cause idrk, it could be just the player with jean who are being imbued with a pyro swirl aura

[lapis karma]

i have to go out and the question just got stuck on my mind

so i cant test it

[cedar zodiac]

wrong chat , #・tc-lounge for this one

[quick vigil]

Oh

[heady jackal]

So do most theorycrafter use the stats on their characters in their accounts or they simulate the numbers?

[cedar zodiac]

in terms of sheeting, some of us follows KQM Standard on a basis

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_UpwP0VziHehZVwdsD74wYuWD9pdSAknNVzs30U4vFE/edit

[heady jackal]

@muted grotto so how long does the flat atk Xinyan gets from her C6 last?

[quick rapids]

does anyone know like what the most amount of def yunjin could get

[cedar zodiac]

KQM standard?

idrk, iirc its 3k

[tough flare]

she gains the atk bonus while she's in the CA animation

[lethal oyster]

[rugged spire]

wrong chat

[lethal oyster]

what wait

am i missing smt?

[lethal oyster]

since when we stop talking everything in tc i was here just yday

[rugged spire]

it's been renamed to #・tc-lounge

[lethal oyster]

[rugged spire]

[agile plume]

Oh.

Huh.

[cedar zodiac]

[agile plume]

@cedar zodiac

Send the rotation again?

[cedar zodiac]

rn is Albedo E > Yae EEE > Zhongli hEQ > Raiden E N1 > Yae QEEE > Raiden Q 3N3C N1C

[agile plume]

[cedar zodiac]

if we want to start with albedo E first

but downside is 6 yae totem ticks. first 3 happens in zl hE and second after burst animation on zl

iirc

[agile plume]

Hmm. I guess we could just ignore it. It's only the second rotation that's missing 4AP on the first one.

[cedar zodiac]

so we switch back to yae eee first?

[agile plume]

Yeah.

In practical use, we always have Albedo E up.

[cedar zodiac]

yep, since the rotation is also short

ill go to my phone now, ill still think of ways to up the dmg

[lapis karma]

Yo akane

just tested it

she does swirl

every player

[rugged spire]

[versed sand]

do the 4pcs dmg increase work, if we cast ele skill but dont have more than 15 energy?

[fluid swift]

The 4pc doesn't work if you don't have enough energy iirc

It will work however

If you cast skill then ult

While it hasn't eaten energy yet

[wooden tusk]

Which rotation will be best for :- ayaka c0,xingqiu c6 sac,kazuha c1,rosaria c0

[versed sand]

apply cryo, then 4viri, then xinq, then rosa, then ayaka cmiiw

or go ayaka after xinq, use rosa for gain cryo particles

[versed sand]

okok

[restive gale]

Hi, do you guys think it's worth the time and effort to modify character DPS based on the current abyss leyline disorder?

[merry tree]

no

[wooden tusk]

Okay,thanks

[spark abyss]

guys should i pull for raiden? Is she stronger than ayato

[steady beacon]

pull kaz

also

[spark abyss]

why would i do that, isnt venti rerun coming, hes just better than kaz

[agile plume]

@spark abyss

[rugged spire]

[spark abyss]

Ok i stop

i sorry

[gusty thicket]

I know that it’s super super early, but… what team should do more Dps in general abyss?
Yae C1 R1 Kagura Glad + TF

• raiden 4EOSF the catch R5
• sara C6 4NO sacrificial bow
• sucrose C6 4VV prototype ambar R5

Or

Yae C1 R1 Kagura Glad + TF
Ayato 4HoD BlackSword R1/LionRoar R2/Anemona R5
Fischl C6 ToM Stingless R3

• Sayu C6 4VV wolfgravestone R1

[rugged spire]

Well we can't be sure just yet but I think the 1st team will have higher DPS

don't quote me on that though

[lunar sky]

so if i remember correctly the yae-raiden comp is upwards of 55k

Maxi actually calced a few ayato-yae teams, and they are quite strong but did not break 55k i dont think

[outer crow]

2st

Also now that you guys renamed tc to tc lounge it seems like most semi-casuals will come here for questions instead

Honestly might just wanna do”tc” and “actual tc”

[real steppe]

[lunar sky]

i like this lol

[rugged spire]

[lunar sky]

very passive aggressive

[rugged spire]

shut

[rugged spire]

[real steppe]

changing the description of the role to something more math specific could help too

[fallen jetty]

Tc-lab
Then just fully remove tc channel. Casuals will go for TC-lounge then. If you rename to true TC people will just be like "guess true tc is better than normal tc.
For casuals, simple question about game mechanics are TC's question

[agile plume]

Make a role for the chat only obtainable by passing a TC exam

Quiz then on EGT..

[fallen jetty]

Or create a TC-questions

[rugged spire]

talk about this in tc lounge or offtopic

[outer crow]

If people see tc they probably aren’t gonna pass it and go straight to it

On the other hand if they miss tc and see actual tc they might go there first

Just put it all the way at the bottom

[lunar sky]

make people have to discern whether cryo or hydro will swirl against a frozen target and who owns EC in a taser comp

[rugged spire]

[muted grotto]

It ends as soon as her CA animation ends

[muted grotto]

Why

[weary mirage]

Does anyone have the sheet of hyper raiden Variation Of raiden Yae kazuha bennet vs raiden Sara kazuha bennet?

[livid cloud]

I would say the first one as of now

[muted grotto]

someone help me with pp dilcu rotation

Bennet E 1
Kazuha holdE 2.2
Bennet Q 1
Kazuha Q 1.5
Bennet E 1
Xiangling QE 2
Diluc Q 4N1E 7
Kazuha tapE 1.2
Bennet E 1
Xiangling funnel 1
18.9 how do i get this to 20s

[neon zealot]

wait why us that 4 N1E on diluc

isn't it 3?

[muted grotto]

i denoted it poorly

4 N1s 3 Es

[neon zealot]

ohhhh

[rugged spire]

maybe more funneling on xl or some diluc NAs

hold on

[muted grotto]

funnel more where

[rugged spire]

nvm funneling would add 2s my b

[muted grotto]

thats fine

just need it to get to at least 20s so its a functioning rotation

cuz of xl cooldown

[rugged spire]

xl do be cringe

[muted grotto]

buff xl to 70 cost

[rugged spire]

anyways, funneling could reduce ER requs which is always good

[rugged spire]

[signal breach]

What you could do is use Kaz Tap E at the start and then another one after XL QE, going from 2 to 3 E casts for a slight extension. Alternatively/Additionally you can do 3x EN2 on Diluc aswell to kill some more time.

One thing of note on the rotation: Currently you only have 4.2s between the Kaz Tap E at the end and the Hold E of the next rotation, so you'd incur an extension over 20s as you'd have a 1.8s window waiting for Kaz E to come back. May or may not be worth it.

Easiest way to fix would be to start with a Tap E and do a Hold E between XL and Diluc to keep the 2 Es w/o having to deal with the waiting time. Although it doesn't exactly exclude the possibility of another Kaz E after Diluc, it would make it less mandatory for energy.

[muted grotto]

hmm

[rugged spire]

How tf is beidou's ult dmg calced again

I'm looking at the guide

and I just don't get

my brain is being pepega

[lunar sky]

well if its two targets, it bounces five times between each one

so the first one should get hit 3 times per proc, and the other one 2 times

[rugged spire]

so at t13 it would be 258.4 + 204*3 for primary target then right ?

[lunar sky]

i believe so yes

600% damage per proc against just one target

[rugged spire]

but the beidou guide gives different numbers

[lunar sky]

you can see why her burst does so much damage on sheets

[rugged spire]

[lunar sky]

oh really?

[rugged spire]

I'm getting 870.4% from my numbers

[lunar sky]

maybe its accounting for more than two targets

[rugged spire]

the beidou guide has 1020/12,240/10,200% for 1/12/10 discharges respectively

at c2

[lunar sky]

1020 is all five procs right?

so it is counting both targets

or all

or all 5 jumps

per proc

[rugged spire]

nvm

I figured it out

[lunar sky]

i helped

[rugged spire]

I fucking hate this game

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-exit-door-gif-15229894

[outer crow]

What was it

[rugged spire]

I was taking the inital hit dmg into account

[outer crow]

Kqm’s 1020 for one bounce isn’t making much sense to me though

Unless they’re doing some really funky rounding

It’s 1030 for 5 bounces at t9

[lunar sky]

1020 makes sense for one total scaling for per jump no?

[outer crow]

[rugged spire]

it's the 204 * 5 * 10

at t13

[outer crow]

Oh wait I was using the initial burst dmg

[rugged spire]

[lunar sky]

we're all clowns on this blessed day

[fading light]

This confirms to me that Wfp TC is a hivemind

[dusty osprey]

that rotation should be at least 22 secs maybe even longer if you want to make sure kaz gets his own particles

[cedar zodiac]

[lapis karma]

wait im unsure

it might be capped

:(((

[cedar zodiac]

oh

[lapis karma]

two players it works im sure of that

3 and 4, im unsure

since venti ult etc. only doubleswirl it might be capped to two ?

[cedar zodiac]

have you tried it with 3-4 yet?

[cedar zodiac]

i need rotation time review here cause scuff testing putted me in different timeframes of ZL Q
Yae EEE > Raiden E N1 > Zhongli hEQ > Albedo E > Yae QEEE > Raiden Q 3N3C N1C

[warm creek]

I'm in the wrong channel my bad

[weak mountain]

Diluc Tc HUGE

[dusty osprey]

ran it in game and i dont think you can really fit in 4 autos on diluc. i shortened it to 3 autos and the rotation was still 20 secs. in a real use case diluc will take one sec longer than the clip because his e and autos have pretty high hitlag. also kazuha was swapped too early in my clip to grab his own particles so thats another ~.5 sec penalty. I would prob recomend consolidating the rotation to have less swaps initially. something like ben eq, kaz eHq.

https://streamable.com/orhy3m

9 swaps is a bit excessive and you run into real world penalties with so many

like ping/human error

[muted grotto]

[ember nexus]

Is this doable with hu tao instead of diluc

[elder cliff]

one thing I notice (if you see my research above) about swap latency is that we have 70-80ms flat addition after latency to get actual swap latency time. So KB's ping was ~30ms, then I predict ~100ms latency swap.
9 swaps means 900ms spent just for swap latency.
30ms is kinda cherrypicking tho as I've conducted a mini survey before and most people play within 100-200ms range. In that case 9 swaps will mean 2000ms spent just for swap latency. It's up to you whether to what kind of demographic you're basing your rotation time .

[ember nexus]

It'd be kinda complicated since you gave to stay outta Bennetts burst area

[elder cliff]

also hitlag, I'm still on research about this. But as far as I see it, per hit (per NA/CA) it takes 4-5frames

but sometimes I feel like there are NA/CA strings that doesn't cause visible hitlags

[dusty osprey]

Also most people cant press at the exact time since the game buffer either doesnt exist or is very small

I would put an extra penalty for normal human press rate

[ember nexus]

Also no shielder so dodging

[dusty osprey]

Uh i wouldnt recommend it for tao in general

[ember nexus]

Should work for Klee though

[dusty osprey]

Xq performance is just nicer overall

[ember nexus]

Or yanfei

?

[elder cliff]

input queueing in this game is pretty lenient, so you don't have really need to get uber APM

[dusty osprey]

Whats the buffer windows?

Ik if you press too early it just throws away the input

[elder cliff]

I'm still researching it. But it's more than 200ms I feel

or maybe it's different case by case

like Kazuha E > P, it 'reserves' your input as far as 500ms

[dusty osprey]

Mainly the swap into skill input is what im concerned about

Thats why I usually try to record rotations before sheeting

[elder cliff]

this is correct. Human average reaciton time is 200ms

[dusty osprey]

Or do video splicing for leaked chars

[dusty osprey]

Well thats to react but if you plan out it doesnt apply

[elder cliff]

if It's quick Q (Alt+1/2/3/4) it's negligible. But if it's Swap > E or N1, now human reaction time takes a big factor

[dusty osprey]

Im mainly talking about repeat spamming keys to get it off asap

[elder cliff]

the 'plan' out is more for charge attack/release

[elder cliff]

spamming key is kinda eh. I compared my uber APM when doing Yae's EEE and I had it slower than Snipe's (iirc) who did it with less APM

I feel there's more to the mech rather than spamming input keys as fast as it can

[elder cliff]

oh

[dusty osprey]

In general im not a fan of mono teams since they are brittle to counter matchups

[elder cliff]

wait, you mean Swap and while waiting for swap latency spam E

[dusty osprey]

Yeah

[elder cliff]

hmmmmmmm

[ember nexus]

I see a coolness in it idk why

[elder cliff]

I forgot how much APM I got

[ember nexus]

I can barely do rotations

Mainly due to energy problems on XL

It's the bane of my childe national team

[cedar zodiac]

how much ms does the Alt+1,2,3,4 contain?

[elder cliff]

I got 8 CPS, so that means 125ms interval per button press

tho human fingers do get tired. so that 8 CPS only applies to first few seconds

and it gets slower by time like down to 6 CPS

[elder cliff]

My feelscrafting says
Latency + 75 ms + Buffer time

by this buffer time I mean the frame it needed for the game to recognize your input

sometimes you can have the next frame for the game to directly response to your input

sometimes it takes as far as 5 frames

so example. I have 100ms latency and 3f buffer time.
100 + 75 + (3*16.67) = 225ms

or ~14f

so by the 15th frame you char will start its Q phase

[cedar zodiac]

[elder cliff]

then you have ER problems

refer to ER calc to figure out how much your char needs

[ember nexus]

I'm running 4 emblem with catch what more can I do

[elder cliff]

ER is like computer's RAM

[pine ivy]

Hm hm

[elder cliff]

you may not need like 300% ER, but you're fucked if you have less than required

[pine ivy]

PP Klee or PP hu tao

[elder cliff]

what's your comp

[ember nexus]

Childe filler Xiangling Bennett

[elder cliff]

anyway if you need suggestion maybe ask in #・genshin-help or #・tc-lounge . This thread is mainly for actual theorycrafting discussion

[ember nexus]

Okay

[cerulean geyser]

@cloud stratus if instructor is the last thing before tao would the uptime still be for only 5 ca's like you mentioned with vv tao or would it go to 6+ ca's because theres no kaz inbetween

[pine ivy]

I miss Yae theirycrafting

[dusty osprey]

i can still see it

[pine ivy]

Where

@ me

[cedar zodiac]

i think its only the mods who can see it

[dusty osprey]

staff only 🤠

[pine ivy]

Boo

[cedar zodiac]

#・tc-lounge

[brave orchid]

[quick vigil]

Anyone wanna learn klee

[lunar sky]

gsim?

[dusty osprey]

Regex

But also why is this over engineered

Whats the context

[quick vigil]

...klee combos?

That's the context

[dusty osprey]

Is it in guide or something?

[quick vigil]

Yeah

[dusty osprey]

Seems overly verbose just to describe the flowchart imo

[quick vigil]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iP3XF-1zvSAiG9-gQBm-u8aEphbnuu6HgX-cOWBaw_w/edit?usp=sharing

[quick vigil]

Klee things

[gray fulcrum]

Genshin players over analyzing a minor

Sorry I had to

[gray fulcrum]

Klee combos are anything but elegant

Anyone wanna learn itto combos tho

[lapis karma]

why learn itto combos

when u can ungabunga

[cloud stratus]

You'd get 7-8

If it's the very last thing

Kazuha is losing a bit of uptime on his buff since he'll generally be swirling hydro coming down

[whole carbon]

Important. Do we have calcs for Mona + Diona and Kokomi + some cryo subdps (e. g. Rosaria). How much damage is lost because of dropping omen?

I wonder if there're factual data for my Reddit argument on Kokomi vs Mona

[modest chasm]

that last page

[outer crow]

There’s a hutao kaz team that lets you proc inst right before going into hutao?

Or I guess rotation

[cloud stratus]

no

not a good one

[outer crow]

[tribal delta]

why does keqing wear no panties and then miko wwear diapers

[north meadow]

This ain't the appropriate place for this type of discussion and pls refrain from starting out on things like this.

[elder cliff]

[pine ivy]

how i

build

yae

[north meadow]

#・genshin-help or #・tc-lounge

[tribal delta]

💢

[heady jackal]

So can the Genshin Optimizer be used an alternative calculator for spreadsheets?

Like inputting all my artifact, stats and weapons and whatever come out, I can reliably see it as the potential damage output and authentic enough to put in a spreadsheet?

[north meadow]

U still need to account for buff uptimes and swapping