🎮〕illuvium-beyond

[candid bloom]

hey guys i’m on this with Rich and will get it sorted as soon as i can, hopefully by end of the week 🙂

[vague void]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[sick perch]

there is no week when everything goes perfectly. This is already annoying...Even so, a small part of the investment is returned. Illuvium is at an all time low...nice 🙄

[vague void]

How to strategize when the functionality is so unstable

Equally frustrated

[sick perch]

The weekend is already too late. There is a snapshot on Saturday. ✌️

And postponing the snapshot date is not a good idea... spending even more money to maintain your position.

were the first two waves as problematic? I want to know what to expect in the future...

[wooden ice]

I hope/assume you are just referring to the ilv payouts here. Because fixing the wave 3 lb really should not take that long?

[candid bloom]

Yes referring to the payments - lb change I think is being released in the am

[soft spoke]

they have been doing lots of restructuring recently so it makes sense it has not been super smooth.....i imagine wave 4 will be much better tbh

[sharp sigil]

I can say it was not the best experience before as well but team has managed to improve a lot on performance side of things on filtering ,sorting, performance improvements etc... it was much worse experience in first 2 waves. I am trying to be positive here in wave 3 😕. There were lots of other issues with wave 1 and 2 which are not relevant to wave 3 now.

Team has done improvements as compare to previous waves but the pace was very slow because of the focus being on the main game release and post release changes 😕. Beyond has never been considered as its own independent game as such and team always assumed it as side game which can pickup by its own once main game becomes popular

[sick perch]

Then let's trust that the fourth wave will be close to perfect. We can't do anything else 🙂

[sick perch]

And this is where most of the money comes into the game. I spent much more money in much less time than in overworld. It deserves at least as much attention.

[frank pier]

eth is now down, year over year..this is not a good sign

well the good news is the ilv payment is becoming less and less important

[soft spoke]

feels like a great depression tbh.......has it ever been this bad since the great depression? everywhere i look people are poor and screaming

including me lolol

[vague void]

there's plenty liquidity... just not for crypto

[frank pier]

consumer confidence is plummenting in US...not in stats yet but talk to people and you hear it, see it. Lots of people losing jobs

this could get nasty for a while

[soft spoke]

Plenty of liquidity among the ultra rich yes.......retail (regular) people have been getting bent over and are super poor...........you need retail investors for crypto to be a success and that is the big problem we are seeing...........rich get rich and poor get poor and the rich just keep manipulating the markets and the poor keep getting fleeced

[vague void]

can't argue with that

[soft spoke]

expert economists have recently pushed back their prediction of the american fed doing rate cuts in March until not until July now so that definitely aint a good sign.....that means a full blown altseason is likely pushed back for many months now at earliest.......although it is only predictions and things can suddenly happen that turn things around and suddenly we could get altseason in a month or two but that probability has gone wayyy lower recently

if the alts could just stop going down for a month i would call that a victory 😆

[sharp sigil]

Is the LB still frozen?

[wide swan]

fix is being implemented today

[hasty grotto]

take the snapshot first please dont wanna loose my 17th place ....lol ...but every fix implemented i move up so who knows 😉

[sick perch]

There was a big fraud on one of the crypto exchanges, so it may take weeks for the market to recover...

[sharp sigil]

Which one? Bybit?

[sick perch]

now it really doesn't matter when we get the reward. now everything is worthless

[sick perch]

Yes bro

[sharp sigil]

Those are temporary hickups in bull market... These are the things were most of the retailers loose money because they dont hold

[sick perch]

one keeps its value stable. what I wrote in DM

[small garnet]

Hey, do I need to open a ticket? ıt seems like too much time has passed and I want to finish my album now.

[night basalt]

I am waiting for response from a dev 🙏 will ping him now to remind

[sharp sigil]

Everyone on the same boat unfortunately 😕

[sick perch]

Thank you for the fix and we hope there will be no more problems until the snapshot. ✌️👏

[cerulean quartz]

is there an issue with rewards, I dont think I has this for a few weeks ? Where can we check how much ilv has been dropped to us ?

[night basalt]

past few rewards havent been distributed yet

[cerulean quartz]

so is there an issue again wiht rewards being droopped ?

[cerulean quartz]

again ?

[cerulean quartz]

how many ?

[night basalt]

few post up, Stuart mentioning they working on it

[cerulean quartz]

how many weeks are missing ?

[night basalt]

the last distibuted was Feb 7th I believe, so just few (2)

[cerulean quartz]

honestly sometimes i really do wonder if devs actually know what they are doing, every product in ilv seems like its put togerther by duct tape and glue , ready to break at any moment.

Years later not one product is bug free, not one , mutiple bugs in every game

[arctic bloom]

hi all, is there a market for the illuvitars still? Are used to be an independent tool / site that would tell you the rarity of it that has now gone, how do you now see the rarity of the lluvitars?

[sharp sigil]

I can't resist myself laughing at this comment. Its actually somewhat my feelings expressed right there too. I can't judge team without knowing the details but it is obviously raising a daubt about it after watching last few years updates

Anyway, i am positive as they have done major restructuring and it might bring skills into right area soon

[small garnet]

do you also have a mint problem?

[sharp sigil]

Oh sorry. I misunderstood your issue. I thought you are waiting for LB fix.

I dont have any minting issue

[small garnet]

I experienced it for the first time too... Peter said he was taking care of the situation, I'm waiting. 🙏

[sharp sigil]

They will fix it

[cerulean quartz]

more things are broken in every game than work, what a mess honestly

[cerulean quartz]

and then there will be more bugs, I have lost all trust in Kieran and his team, I dont belive anything they say anymore

sorry i dont

[sharp sigil]

Let's try to be positive 🤔😕

[cerulean quartz]

when do we actauly think altcoin season will start ?

[sharp sigil]

Its closer than you think... Thats my view

[cerulean quartz]

Well I was thnk like 1 - 2 months, what a wierd cycle

[inner quest]

However, the wave 3 ranking still doesn't work. If you insert a card that completes the line, only the points from the card are added, but those for completing the line are missing. Or is this correct?

[night basalt]

done, sorry for the delay

[night basalt]

thats how its intended, for W3 leaderboard, only raw Illuvitar points are taken to the account

[vague void]

Well... everytime something like this happens it pushes the goal post of mainstream expansion further because of confirming all the skeletons in crypto for newbies. Wouldnt be surprised if we see a continued fall.
,

Thanks for the LB fixes (:

[soft spoke]

that plus confirmation of tariffs going forward yesterday...which is only gonna have negative effect on overall economies with a trade war......which is even made worse this time with lots of people outside the US vowing to boycott buying anything made in the US.......which is obviously bad because USA is the economic driver of the world and thus financial markets such as crypto majorly suffer.........bybit situation is pretty much peanuts compared to the overall economic chaos happening currently

we are literally in hell right now boys

[sick perch]

I agree with everything... these are hard times 😔

[soft spoke]

that being said...its not impossible to get some random crazy good news on any given day that leads to V shaped recovery and rocket ship to the moon...let us pray to the crypto gods 🙏

[sick perch]

there is a project that was built on completely different foundations than the others...I really believe in that. but this is not the place to talk about it here. 🙃

[inner quest]

Thanks for the reply, but it would be nice to know what the points are calculated on

[dapper mason]

If you're referring to illuvitar power, it's a mixture of the Illuvitar / illuvial line and stage (each have their own power depending on how high the tier is how far in the evolution tree it is) , the background tier of the illuvitar, and also it's expression

Basically, rarer tier/illuvial line/background = higher power

And then you can increase those power points by bonding with accessories

[vague void]

Out of curiosity... why isn't there an option to sleeve just highest power illuvitars?

Currently, it seems like if you select one of the priority options and sleeve... but then unsleeve and resleeve again without choosing... it doesn't simply place highest power illuvitars but rather sleeves based on your last selection. So you can't currently sleeve for highest points unless u manually do it... at least that's what seems to me anyway.

[inner quest]

I didn't understand well, so if I insert 3 wave 3 illuvitars on the same line (all expressions) what does the wave 3 ranking consider? the points of each individual illuvitars, or the points of the illuvitars plus the points of the line?

[night basalt]

this number

no bonuses for completing collection for W3 leaderboard

[urban stratus]

any news about w2 diskplate and g-shock watch rewards?

[night basalt]

watches are not in our hands yet

[dapper mason]

Like Peter said, the illuvitar's power is what will accumulate you points. The only sort of 'collection' bonus you can get is if the illuvials set has a reward that includes some points.
You can click the 'reward' arrow when looking on a specific illuvials set and it will show you some 'sets' you can complete to get drone blasts, skins, points, etc. As you can see, some of these Attipo lines give like 200 points as well

[dapper mason]

Last I heard they will need to wait for the G-shock team to send them over to Rogier, then once he has them I assume we will get a bit more info on dispatching them to people

[inner quest]

ok thanks for the answer, I thought that the score of the line with the expressions was also calculated, like the main ranking. I think that for those who participate in wave 4 it will be correct to write and inform about what is calculated and what is not.

[inner quest]

without anything written and precise the ranking can be maneuvered at will. I can give points for the T0 and make X win, or not calculate the T0 and make Y win.

[urban stratus]

diskplate?

[frank pier]

"soon"

[cerulean quartz]

whats the website to check value gain ?

the one that replaced illuvium master ?

[dreamy cipher]

" I don't believe you" - Ron Burgundy

[cerulean quartz]

HI Mate, do you know the whats the website to check value gain ?
the one that replaced illuvium master ?

[night basalt]

will ask internally (dont know)

[dapper mason]

Illuvidata is probs what you mean

Go to their market place and put your address in the search feature, and it'll give you a rough estimate

[cerulean quartz]

yeah but it seems uselss

[dapper mason]

Have you tried above ^

[cerulean quartz]

yes but the filtering does not work properly

[dapper mason]

Afraid I have no idea about that; best site for filtering + finding specific stuff for Zero is probs Tokentrove then

[cerulean quartz]

You cant even filter unbonded ones

[vague void]

Yah I tried the other day too and found it didn’t work well… ended up just going back to illuvidex

[soft spoke]

Well it actual facts ....believe it or not .....i am prepared to get my gang together and fight in the streets about it if you are prepared for this war

my gang is called Preparation H......because we prepare vigorously before every battle and we are HELL on earth to deal with

choose wisely

[urban stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

[dreamy cipher]

“Great Scott!”

[soft spoke]

just watch out for the missiles...i can not even control them

https://tenor.com/view/hard-gif-5337028

ron mahogany my closest friends call me.. 😏

[soft spoke]

breaking news: im poor

breaking news: still poor

okay fine i will leave

https://tenor.com/view/hard-gif-5337028

[tepid geyser]

Probably wise, before you end up getting banned for the 15th time 😏 😂 .

[soft spoke]

We like to have fun in here....and by We I mean Me......you just gotta flip the W around.....I have never been banned by the way....I am here and I will never be banned....so help me macaroni man (macaroni man is my god....dont judge me....unless you are the macaroni man)

okay fine i will leave

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-gif-18189844646166821713

[gusty cliff]

Would love to see more paid actors in here to bring new energy

[night basalt]

its fixed, thank you for reporting 🫡

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**REMINDER **

If you are competing in the Wave 3 Leaderboard, please remember to resleeve your Illuvitars using those steps:

1. Fill prioritizing Wave 3
2. Sleeve from scratch

[zealous delta]

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[serene python]

please stop posting that in all chanels.

[sour valve]

ok

[smoky verge]

@tepid geyser and me went on a thrilling adventure yesterday to understand the mechanics behind the wave 3 leaderboard. Ill breakdown the results:

The legacy leaderboard takes into account all points, this includes all illuvitars and T0s as well as collection/milestone rewards.

The wave specific leaderboard takes into account only the wave 3 specific illuvitars and Gshock illuvitars.

This W3 leaderboard does NOT take into account regular T0s. Even the wave 3 background "luminous" is not added. Moreover, collection-milestone points are not considered.

In summary
Legacy rules:
Everything

Wave specific rules:

• All wave 3 illuvitars except T0's.
• Luminous background does not give points.
• GShock illuvitars including T0s
• Wave 3 related milestone points arent included.

Cool result:
This means that having at least one GShock-T0 Doka is actually fairly powerful compared to the others, since it is slotted in a bunch of T0 slots that otherwise wouldnt count to your W3 leaderboard.

[sharp sigil]

@native hedge @night basalt , there is wrong power calculation displayed when you have half sleeved illuvitar and try to bond leftover slots. For example,

[night basalt]

this one is reported already 🫡 after the bond, it shows the correct value, its just UI issue

[sharp sigil]

Yes UI issue but good to be fixed

[night basalt]

totally, its on team's list 🙏

[sick perch]

Noice

[inner quest]

this should have been explained before, it is not correct not to count T0s just as it is not correct not to count "luminous". Many have bought T0 with a luminous background thinking that it will count for wave 3 and this is not correct at the end of the wave. It would have been more correct not to consider Gshock and not T0 wave 3. Not considering T0 there will automatically be no market for them... The ranking rules had to be clear from the start, in this way I can maneuver at will on who to win or not, for this and other reasons I asked to expand the holo from position 5 to position 10.

just as it would have also been correct to consider the milestone points, in this way it would have had a more decisive impact on the market

[smoky verge]

Well this is how the rankings are determined, im just sharing how they are. For the next wave, this information will be readily available.

Rather than everyone trying to find out everything on their own, i thought it best to make the information public at least in this channel so that everyone is on the same page.

I do agree that i had expected the luminous background to count towards wave 3 as well, and every T0 with a luminous background. It is something we can work on changing for wave 4 👍

[frank pier]

There were numerous discussions in here about t0s not counting, that was pretty much confirmed, but thought the luminous slot was going to count (the three expressions) for background, but not a big deal if not. Thanks Alexa and Garf! Now if we can only get our ILV owed before another snapshot!!!!

[full spear]

Sure feels like it

[inner quest]

for me it is not correct that the g shocks count on their slot and instead of the T0s, in this way they have too much consideration. It should also be remembered that not everyone is always reading on discord, so this information had to be published before wave 3. Since there were no clear rules it would have been more correct to count everything, milestone, T0, luminous, etc. as the main ranking. Otherwise it would have been more correct to vote on what to count in the wave 3 ranking and what not.

[potent tulip]

prio sleeve for w3 with the autosleeve and i think it slots in the gshock ones @smoky verge ?

[smoky verge]

Yes i believe so 👍

[frank pier]

part of the value of promos is they count in regular sleeves also, I think we should always keep that. But yes, this should be clearly defined before wave 4 lb

[smoky verge]

I see the wave 3 leaderboard as a cool, new addition to illuvium Beyond. We have additional rewards on TOP of the legacy leaderboard which was the sole avenue for rewards during wave 1 and 2.

Naturally it could use some tweaks for the next wave. Exactly because of that, prior to wave 4 starting, there will be a guide on which collections will count towards the leaderboard points. It is too bad that it wasnt present for this wave, but do note that the wave 3 leaderboard itself was voted on just a month before wave 3 started. It then had to be implemented by team in a ridiculously quick fashion.

It was a little buggy, we saw some issues with wave 3 leaderboard until a few days ago, but now everything is resolved and you can spend the remaining days working on getting as high a rank as possible for some additional goodies AND cool illuvitars if you are top 25.

If you are one of those top 25, i expect you to check this channel if you are unsure. After all, you likely spent 2+ eth on d1sks/trading so you better make the most of your investment 😄

[inner quest]

yes but to do things correctly wave 4 must respect the same count as wave 3.

[frank pier]

Would you please take over payment of LB rewards and get those out asap. People want to spend them, and in some cases already have 😉
Thanks

[sick perch]

if anyone wants to buy at a good price, I have everything for sale ( overworld, beyond )

I don't see any future here and I want to invest in meaningful projects

just for fun, I buy a few more disks and then I'm done

[potent tulip]

We lost Chris and now that work is tranferred to someone else, Rich is on it to get it sorted with kieran and pedro afaik. Im not on that side of the isle unfortunately ^^

[smoky verge]

Imagine being art director, game designer (beyond), master of leaks and being tasked with the role of token manager as well 🤣

You got this Rogier!

[sick perch]

if anyone is interested in everything I have, contact me DM

[potent tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbledore-frustrated-harry-potter-i-give-up-give-gif-4407991

[smoky verge]

I feel like this is your response to all my peptalks and cheerleading I must be doing something wrong ahahaha

[potent tulip]

its my - im powerless - to this issue gif

[inner quest]

this is a shame, but I think like you.

[inner quest]

Garf I have nothing against you, in fact I thank you for your information, but always dumping everything on the next wave is bad... Always saying that the times were short for the team doesn't improve trust, in fact the people who invest are afraid to do so if with more than 3 months the team is unable to make a ranking work. Now if this ranking system is correct for wave 3 it must also be the same system for wave 4. If you think that the count must be changed for wave 4 you must also change it for wave 3, because otherwise you are not caring about who invested in wave 3.

then what should I be happy about? to take an illuvitars like who is in position 25? 😂

[sick perch]

anyone interested? 😂😂😂

Just standard

[quartz estuary]

My advice was correct)

[sick perch]

but I don't care anymore bro 🤪

maybe that's why I'm lucky

everything is there. T4s3 accesories, T5 accesories..

they don't want me to leave 😂😂😂

[quartz estuary]

maybe this is a sign

[sick perch]

I don't think so 🙂

no matter what I open..there is almost an Alexa with 10 accounts

if there is no market, expensive stuff is also cheap

[quartz estuary]

Stick to a strategy and you'll be fine.

[sick perch]

it's not me that's the problem.how many people took the third wave seriously? Max 50-100....this number is very few. we don't have to compete...we need a lot more people.Nothing will get better until there is no marketing and new people! If I want to sell everything now, no one will buy it at half price. everything is a lot, only the player is not enough. this is the biggest problem

why is gold expensive? because many people want it, but few people have it...There are a lot of illuvitars, but no one wants to buy them

Marketing, marketing and marketing...

[serene python]

don't think 4k is "a lot"

[serene python]

marketing in general will start again soon.
What kind of marketing initiative you would like to see?

[smoky verge]

And ilv for top 25 😉

[sick perch]

for example, to collaborate with gamer influencers....it is not enough that the game is good if few people know it

[serene python]

but for that the games have to be in a marketable state first, ser.

[inner quest]

with ilv at 15 dollars? a drop in the sea 😭

[sick perch]

I also have a friend who has more than a million subscribers and started his channel with video games

May I ask if you would promote it?

that's what I thought about marketing

[smoky verge]

Yeah oh well 😅

At some point it may grow back to 200$ each and BAM you'll be happy. Just hodl! 😉

[inner quest]

why don't you make a vote of what should count in wave 3, so it will be the same for wave 4

[smoky verge]

Because we wont be changing the point system anymore for wave 3*

[quartz estuary]

Well, that's how it was and nothing changed until the 3rd wave, we're all waiting for the best, but now is the time

[smoky verge]

Rewards are distributed in 3 days. You cant for real suggest us to change the entire system, delay rewards by another 3 weeks and only then give out rewards, probably at the start of wave 4. It would likely cause wave 4 to be delayed, and other issues taking place as well

[wide swan]

Squizz D1SKPLATE you asked?

[fathom lintel]

It's not a question of just voting for this, there is a technical side of it. T0s don't have the wave 3 tag, which is likely how the wave 3 leaderboard identifies which illuvitars count.

[alpine dew]

Do you get this if you complete the Squizz line in Beyond?

[mossy turtle]

No its from buying disks individual goals of wave 2

[smoky verge]

I just need a tutorial on how to hang it on the wall 🤣

[serene python]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[inner quest]

Ok but you could have considered the milestones and luminous, however if you don't consider them for wave 3 it is correct not to consider them for wave 4 either.

[inner quest]

therefore it is correct to consider it also for wave 4. Otherwise it would be incorrect for those who invested in wave 3, because considering everything the ranking could be different, and this is not right. The most correct thing was that the wave 3 ranking worked with the same points as the main ranking.

[smoky verge]

Idk, i wouldnt mind every wave having its own rules around the wave specific leaderboard. To me that would make sense as every wave would then feel different because there are different goals.

"Wave 4: all T4s have triple points for the specific leaderboard rank"

Would cause a cool dynamic where people get excited for T4s. And then there is an interesting opportunity to play the market giving the traders some fun as well.

I dont feel too strongly about "everything should remain the same" because none of the waves have been the same so far. Wave 1 had prices at almost 2x what they are now with alpha mega's costing 200$ per d1sk.

[dapper mason]

The things I would do to be able to get one of these...
(I did not qualify with disks)

[potent tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbledore-frustrated-harry-potter-i-give-up-give-gif-4407991

[dapper mason]

Rogier, how many Dark holo's for you to slip me a Squid Diskplate?

[potent tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/tree-fiddy-south-park-lock-gif-5759991

[dapper mason]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-begin-the-preparations-the-judge-jason-isaacs-castlevania-ill-make-the-arrangements-gif-15701472214017835429

[serene python]

Me neither 😭
By far the coolest diskplate one could get so far.
Fumbled Hard 😔

I would spend a fortune to get an ophisto cinematic Shot diskplate with badass lightnings

[dapper mason]

I'd join you on that

Anythign with Ophisto in it just looks insane

Yo, Rogier.... wen diskplate with this guy?

[sick perch]

I like it

[pseudo pagoda]

I looked up the cost of printing or getting a printer that can print on metal haha

[serene python]

probably pretty expensive

[pseudo pagoda]

@serene python hard even find few different options

I was seeing $3k alot

[serene python]

Yea expected something arround that

[tepid geyser]

Just wondering if anyone is aware if rewards (ILV) are going to be the same across both leaderboards for wave 4 or if they are going to be revised?
Do we also have a launch date set or a date that we are aiming for?

[frank pier]

don't know on rewards, but launch was supposed to be in one month from end of 3

I would think they would keep them the same with fall in ilv and maybe up the middle/back end some to incentivize more players

of course be nice if we got paid what we are already owed 😉

[tepid geyser]

Will that now be 1 month from the 1st March, or the 22nd as initially intended?

[sharp sigil]

Pls dont use 1st march for 1 month calculation to wave 4

Wave officially ended on 22nd so it should be 1 month from that point

[tepid geyser]

This seems more likely.
Would be good to get something set in stone though so we know what to expect.

[smoky verge]

This wave we gathered sentiment mid-wave and so i have a list of proposed changes. I shared with the team who is now looking at which changes they think they can add for wave 4. Then with a list of planned changes, I would go back to community, and then see whether community agrees -> pass that back to team and thén make changes for wave 4.

It is a very longwinded process so probably requires significant streamlining.

With the current process I think we need like 2 months between waves to

1. accurately gauge sentiment after a wave (1.5 weeks),
2. propose to team (1 week)
3. Review changes by team (1.5 week)
4. Go back to community with planned changes and gather positive sentiment (1 week)
5. Implement all approved changes (3+ weeks)

And otherwise, if we simply want the most agreed upon changes to go into wave 4, my list will shorten significantly to:

1A. Gold illuvitars need a rework to ensure regular illuvitars retain value. (F.e. Separate gold collections or significant power reduction)
1B. Similar thoughts apply to leaderboard acquired illuvitars. (Maybe gold only)
2. Lynx line should see all expressions added
3. Legacy leaderboard is fine, but wave specific leaderboard may need to see Illuvitar rewards reworked to 1/10/25 instead.

If thats all the changes required since there are no bugs in leaderboard anymore, then team can just work on this and be done.

Anyways, this probably needs a thread with upvotes to ensure im not killing beyond by making the wrong calls and getting the team to implement the wrong things 🤣

[meager garden]

I agree, there's a lot to improve. I see no need to rush another wave.

[smoky verge]

Community feedback slows most processes down significantly. The same is true for council, where the IIPs reduce flexibility and take a ton of time.
Once the major kinks are ironed out, however, i think a month between waves is fully doable.

If we want simply those 4 points I think the team could manage (and they havent even agreed so idk) but if we want any more changes such as denying offers, getting a notification for an offer, a dedicated profile page to show off your favorite illuvitars, maybe a border for gold illuvitars since they are missing?

Then things may take more than a couple of weeks to implement.

And yes a number of things on my list are QOL, or nice to have. But not necessarily "needed". So we'll gather feedback from community and team and see what the favored outcome is. Launch wave 4 with bare minimum changes in say 1-2 months or add a number of QOL changes that take up devwork on other areas in 2-3 months but streamline the experience so that this product is "finished" for a few waves.

[potent tulip]

Can confirm Garf was been in my dms 😄 and we got a doc together.. 😛 hes a good liason for the community 😉

[smoky verge]

Im here annoying Rogier on a daily basis guys 😄

[meager garden]

how about just focusing on what's really important and economy breaking instead of QoL?

[smoky verge]

Yes that is one of the options i provided.

[meager garden]

we've already had a thread where the community discussed this...

how about you now provide a document with the changes and we then discuss what we think of those changes?

[smoky verge]

Yes, i mentioned the 5 steps in my first message, i gather feedback, provide to team, team goes over it, i go back to community when team is done going over it, then they implement things.

We are currently at point 3.

[tepid geyser]

I was just going to say the same thing. I think QOL updates can wait.
I think just focusing on the few issues we had this wave to ensure that wave 4 runs smoothly.

[smoky verge]

Well, ill clean up my list and will make a thread asap to see whether i missed anything gamebreaking.

[soft spoke]

nice work Garf....is good somebody is trying to be thorough and gather as much info as possible and u doing good job of that....i personally prefer the wave happen sooner (1 month) but understand if they take longer

i think wave 3 was good except for Gold illuvitars too powerful and should have been made more as collectors items rather than majorly album impactful....maybe there is some kind of benefit they can have to make them collectible that is different then having big points......also the rules of the wave 4 leaderboard should be clarified from the beginning better then they were in wave 3.....

oh and the change of prizes next time should be top 1, top 5, top 10, top 25 (maybe add a top 50 or 75 as well).........or something close to that

maybe have a vote on that before wave starts what the structure should be

[inner quest]

why not add another illuvitars holo for the top 10 already from this wave? the investment between n.6 and n. 25 is too wide

why wave 3 players should be penalized compared to wave 4

[soft spoke]

I would like to see that done but I think they said they wont revise wave 3

it does seem like a popular sentiment that people want top 10 added as the gap is way too big....maybe @potent tulip will surprise us

[inner quest]

I hope so..... considering many factors, the ranking that didn't work, the points calculated arbitrarily, the wrong Gshock points, the T0 points not added, the milestone points, etc etc

[smoky verge]

In the end everyone had these issues right? So it is a fair system as we all rank based on these same metrics.

I do agree that the gap between 5/25 is large and so in wave 4 i suggest the rewards to change to 1/10/25.

[inner quest]

yes we all had these problems, but the wave 3 ranking was supposed to work like the main ranking, the wave 3 ranking instead calculates the points differently and this is not correct, maybe the positions would have been the same but no one would have complained. In this way the wave 3 ranking seems to consider points for different people to win. so wave 4 should have the same calculation to be correct

[meager garden]

we need more illuvitars brackets... 1/10/25 has the same problem and it's even worse cause the ratio is not even constant between brackets. Being 2nd or 10th awards you the same and doesn't feel right.

[inner quest]

exact, in fact 1/5/10/25 would have been more correct with different illuvitars

[meager garden]

not to mention the ILV rewards which are very skewed to the top side. Would like to see half of these distributed on a weekly basis and also being more evenly spread.

[inner quest]

I too have said this since the beginning of wave 3, in fact in this wave there was no battle in the mid-table

[soft spoke]

1/5/10/25/50..........i think that would be pretty much perfect

[sharp sigil]

Hi all,
Based on lots of private discussions directly happening on DMs from top illuvium beyond players for wave 3, i have created feedback idea here: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1344635984859496542 for everyone to vote. Pls cast your vote there and add comments. I want to raise a voice of the community before its too late... Thanks 🙏

[sharp sigil]

Vote here : https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1344635984859496542.

[sharp sigil]

Vote from the community here is important, pls go ahead and vote with comments to have some direction for the team and we may have some outcome based on community sentiment...

[soft spoke]

TOP 10 AWARD CONSIDERATION : https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1344653457377726475

[barren bobcat]

I've been given permission to spread the love. Little sneak peak from next wave!

[potent tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-art-unmesh-dinda-piximperfect-this-is-a-masterpiece-this-is-fine-art-gif-26210030

[wide swan]

Amazing

[tepid geyser]

Feels like next gen with the art style. Absolutely love the direction you're going in with this!

[frank pier]

beyond/nfts was the only area that needed to be AAA...good job guys 🙂

[soft spoke]

FEEDBACK NEEDED ........POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOUND FOR A HAPPY COMMUNITY https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1344774747816329297

[meager garden]

is it really for a happy community or for a happy 6-10th players?

[soft spoke]

Did you read the suggestion ? who would this negatively effect and do the positives outweigh the negatives?

[meager garden]

I'm top 25 why would I want more jokull dillution?

[soft spoke]

that wouldnt even be a big dillution? 25 jokull to 35 jokull.....and community is much happier

[meager garden]

40% more jokulls is not a big dillution?? 🤣

[inner quest]

It doesn't seem like a bad proposal to me, not even that absurd, and it could be done with little time

[soft spoke]

not really.....i lost hundreds of dollars because of the point total errors on the leaderboard....somebody gonna have to sacrifice a little bit and the people between 5 and 10 have been told to do all the sacrificing

[meager garden]

you lost hundreds of dollars and? It's all your own risk and no one else's responsibility... Illuvium only has to compensante you if they so wish for.

[soft spoke]

exactly everything is risk......thinking we werent gonna add 10 more jokulls to make the community happy was a risk some people took

[inner quest]

Precisely for this reason many will not spend in wave 4

[meager garden]

have it your way guys, I'm done here.

if you don't wanna participate in wave 4 that's legit and your choice

all I can say is it saddens me to see Beyonders leave.

[soft spoke]

i suggest everyone leave there feedback in https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1344774747816329297

that way we can see everyone point of view

[inner quest]

I also feel bad about going elsewhere, but if you feel cheated you don't want to be cheated again

[soft spoke]

also if you wanted.......if it happens i will give you my non-holo jokull

that way you get 2 jokulls instead of 1....that should make things better

@tepid geyser @potent tulip ----> https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1344774747816329297

[inner quest]

Litre-a-cola who knows what happened to him... maybe he would have won in the top 5 and not even look... what a nice surprise he will have...

[inner quest]

no one is interested, it's very clear... no one will answer you, they've already answered, it's clear that at this moment no one cares about you, me and Spacelover.

honestly it's even more depressing to beg for something right now. Only empty proposals are made that will not suit anyone (as always). It's fine with me the way it is now, I'll try to sell the jokul before anything else and hope someone surpasses me in the top 10 so I'll be happier when I leave.

[soft spoke]

the question hasnt been up very long, give it some time.....if opinions remain the same then i am just gonna accept the decision and look forward to wave 4......not gonna tell anyone else what to think about it but thats my stance on it

[sharp sigil]

What do you think about my last comment in feedback channel? I tried to give fair solution there...

[meager garden]

I've said my piece on this topic, I honestly find it very distasteful you guys trying to change things 2 days before the snapshot for your own gain.

[sharp sigil]

Its not for my personal interest here as i may not be in top 10 position anyway. I am trying to raise voice of the community here... Anyway, i dont want to argue too much here and appreciate your feedback

[meager garden]

sure m8, but the funny thing is (or not) it was I the 1st to talk about this. I talked to @smoky verge and asked him to make a thread for this: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1342496059036798986
it's been almost 1 week, the community voiced their opinion back then and the top players voted with a thumbs down. But here we are still trying to push for this with the snapshot in less than 2 days.

[soft spoke]

as far as i know only 1 person out of the top players dont like the idea.........also the idea has changed over last few days

[sharp sigil]

It was not the same proposal as top 3 were getting the 1/1 illuvitar in it so sentiment of it is totally different

[meager garden]

if you say so. I still don't see @tepid geyser or @vague void supporting you.

[soft spoke]

i dont think ratty has said anything about it.........

[sharp sigil]

If you see the concern from alexa about top 10 getting same illuvitar which i agree on it and responded to have different illuvitar like @soft spoke suggested the holo verson of jokull or it can be coloured version of rhamphite

[soft spoke]

also Alexa hasnt said anything about the newest proposal i posted........and I said if they dont want that to happen what i had suggested then it shouldnt happen since their vote holds the most weight and it is not a siituation worth causing big chaos over....

personally if i was in top 5 i would be glad to have the proposal happen and get a bonus holo jokull added to my stack

[tepid geyser]

Dont forget @abstract narwhal

[sharp sigil]

Also dont forget finalboss and Boosh 🤔😀

[tepid geyser]

I think they agree with me 😅

[frank pier]

we should just golden pho the who wave 3 lb and give everyone everything 🙂

And then double points lol

yeah, too late for a change mate...aim for what you want wave 4 whenever that may occur 😉

[soft spoke]

i am personally big fan of the double points....double free disks in wave 4....so props to the team for doing that

how do people feel about making the price of disks in eth next time rather than pegged to dollar? that way we dont have to feel bad about spending eth while its so low......if it remains this low....and then we can possibly make more profits on reward disks if eth goes up (if we wanted to sell some....also should make the illuvitars more valuable if disk price increase over time) which would be most likely.......i prefer the turbulence in prices....makes trading bettter.....i will make a thread asking about community opinion for this

maybe i will ask that closer to wave 4 beginning though just to see situation

[meager garden]

bruh we just changed it to a dollar peg this wave... Come on...

[vague void]

If anything make disks purchasable with fuel

[soft spoke]

we always should gauge community sentiment....can make a thread about it and see what people think.....but will wait until closer to wave starting

im not even fully sure what i think about it yet

[final mist]

In my opinion alpha cards should have an advantage, otherwise there is no point in buying alpha disks at a higher price. I would like to know what the community thinks about this.

[soft spoke]

Yes definitely agree...i was thinking about this before...definitely need to make thread about this topic.....not sure what the answer should be but i would say alpha cards should give 25% bonus in album leaderboard points for starters

[final mist]

Exactly, I totally agree... I bought them in wave 1, then I stopped... It doesn't make sense...

[soft spoke]

i think now they are just seen as long term collectors items.....from being part of the special alpha sale........but i think it would very much be appropriate to add some benefits to them to actually give them a proper alpha status

[sharp sigil]

@wide swan , pls be prepared with pending weekly rewards and also snapshot rewards soon. We need them as early as possible. Just giving you heads up for it so that you guys are prepared for it 😜

[wide swan]

Imagine thinking anyone would let us forget about beyond rewards payments 😆

[frank pier]

https://tenor.com/view/hurry-up-wrap-it-up-times-up-clock-ticking-time-pass-gif-24764677

Now 3 weeks of reward payments due

[soft spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[vague void]

3 cheers for automation

[soft spoke]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1344929686488092753

powerful speech.....make sure to upvote and tell your momma....we need justice

i chose a bad time to post this but i'll wait...

[tepid geyser]

I'm pretty certain this has been proposed many times in the past and i'm also pretty sure the notion was rejected every time.

[soft spoke]

not saying i dont believe you...but can you post links to similar proposals?

i feel like this is long overdue.......how do u feel about it?

[tepid geyser]

I can't seem to locate anything 🤔
I've definitely seen it discussed on numerous occasions though, maybe nothing was ever formally posted in feedback.

[soft spoke]

okay well do u feel it is a valid discussion? would be good to know your feedback in the thread and we can gather community sentiment

alpha illuvitars have been mistreated in my view

they should have some type of benefit

i am always hesitant (as is probably everyone else) to bond alpha illuvitars.....if we get a 25% multiplier.....which seems justified based on how much they cost....i would be much more willing to bond my alpha illuvitars

and bonding alpha illuvitars would become tradition rather than taboo

[tepid geyser]

Sorry, I'm not in favour to be honest.
I think their desirability should lie in their rarity/collectibility.
Things are already pay to win but that would just fuel this even further.

[soft spoke]

my honest opinion is that giving the alpha illuvitars a points bonus would have a very good effect on the overall economy.......it would cause people to be much more strategic.......it would make alpha illuvitars that are without accesories even more scarce because more people would bond alphas for the leaderboard benefits......the strategic chaos it would cause and forcing people to decide "deal or no deal" would make the game much more intense........

right now it is way too straight forward with how it works.....throwing this variable into the game would be very positive in my view....i honestly dont see any downside to it

people might even get bored and leave the game if this doesnt happen....we need more variables....needs to be more like chess and right now it is like checkers

[quartz estuary]

Maybe you should show the total ILV for players before the snapshot to increase competition and this would be good to do in general announcements@potent tulip

[soft spoke]

also 25% is not such a huge advantage where it changes things too much....but adds a bit of uncertainty and more tension to the overall strategic nature of the game

should i keep my alpha scarce in its original form and without accesories or should i get that bit of bonus that might bump me up a bit.....this is what we need

[potent tulip]

Its not in the current web integration - but we should get a more definitive number out there. I'll chase this today.

[soft spoke]

Rogier that

[tepid geyser]

I agree it would add more dynamics, i'm just not too sure if it's the best way to achieve that as there are negative aspects to it also.
I would hope that we could switch things up a little bit in a more balanced way that didn't necessarily rely on more $ more gain.

[soft spoke]

i think if you think about it further and more in the bigger scope of things you will come around....25% per illuvitar would not be a huge gamebreaker overall for instance you would not suddenly lose rank (most likely) but people lower down might need that extra 10,000 points from bonding a couple high end alpha illuvitars........this could cause a frenzy in the market and also people will start buying up alpha illuvitars like crazy which will also cause fomo in the market.......we need innovation and wiggle room for strategic minded people......making this game boring and predictable and not rewarding alpha cards which naturally should be alpha (dominant) i think is not the right way to go in the future. Innovation and excitement is the way to go

At the end of the day....if it made the game worse...we could just revert back to the old ways and make alphas have utility in some other way

[potent tulip]

i have an idea of how we can give a little bit of bonus to having alpha illuvitars - its quite a way out as it will need some bigger updates / changes to beyond - but the idea is that once a questing like feature is introduced, fulfilling theses quests with Alphas will give one a little bit of extra bonus points. It would help you further, quicker - but not too extreme, breaking the mechanics.

If we add a bonus power to Alpha's - which have been reduced in numbers in this and possible next wave, it will create more negativity from people who miss out on buying into that limited quantity. I feel like this would be worse than leaving it as just a cosmetic/premium for now.

[sharp sigil]

I was specifically asking team/community in messages for giving alpha illuvitars a utility or something extra as compare to normal illuvitars but it was always rejected:( so i was having only one option that i suggested to have unique alpha stamp for wave 1 specifically and normal alpha stamp for other waves. It was approved and implemented : https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1123318798712315915

[soft spoke]

hmmm cant say i like the reasoning.....there is always people who gonna be mad about certain things....i have mentioned i am mad about many things on here and i never get preferential treatment in any circumstance i talk about though....even though i am top 10 buyer in this game................and i dont mean that in a rude way.....but we need to look outside of the box of "it makes some people mad".....there have been lots of top spending players/buyers here who have expressed negative feelings about things and were not even considered so maybe we need to not use that as an excuse.............i just want whats best for the game and i think beyond is very good so dont take my words as a diss......i just feel like sometimes gotta be a little agressive to get points across and then see how the cookie crumbles afterwards or something

[potent tulip]

I understand - buts its a balance.. a difficult one.

[smoky verge]

Or you get banned if you are too agressive

But yeah making your opinions known definitely is not against the rules and something Illuvium fosters. Nowhere else do you have lead team members reading community threads more actively than here.

[potent tulip]

its a spiderweb like design - if you pull 1 string out to far (to favor a certain part) the web crumbles at the other end. Im open to suggesstions etc.. if anything we can be 'as liquid' as we can with things. But also cant ignore previous/future to come changes.

[soft spoke]

understood...and i have seen many complaints here from the most top players about various things....so i think that is not a good direction to be headed in my honest opinion when none of the complaints or suggestions seemed to be taken serious that are given by 95% of the top players. I am personally satisfied that a discussion is taking place and hopefully we can continue to improve as much as possible without breaking things that are working in our favor

I do think alpha cards definitely need some priority in some way and needs to be a main discussion topic

[smoky verge]

What works a lot better than pulling at one string in a web is to just creating a new web
But then that web is also made fragile and pulling strings in that web becomes difficult.

So we need people to stop making webs, and create a house instead. Which starts at good fundamentals, and only when everything is fleshed out and ready to go, we add a spider illuvial to make webs inside the house

[soft spoke]

you just created a multiweb of discussion....lets start with one web.....the web of love

everybody bring it in

🫂

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-come-hug-me-gif-26387005

[potent tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/dramatic-cry-will-ferrell-gif-13298637

[soft spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-pointing-i-am-you-what-confused-gif-16881745

I AM CAUGHT IN A WEB OF EMOTION!!!

[inner quest]

Now what is missing is knowing what the Illuvium Team thinks of this discontent, it would have been nice if the team had said: sorry for the various problems of wave 3, let's find a solution or have we thought about solving this way... after all these discussions between sailors of the same boat, how does the team plan to resolve this? it's definitely not the fault of Alexa, Filow, Spacelover, Ron, etc.. it's all because the wave 3 ranking didn't work and there was nothing written about what mattered or not. We've all made bad investments without this.
I ask:
What does the team, Rogier, Rich, Kieran or whoever think?
what will be the solution today?
Why were the wave 3 points calculated differently from the main ranking?
Thanks in advance for the answers, I hope I don't read "in wave 4".

[inner quest]

ok I don't even deserve an answer.. I see a lack of transparency

[gusty cliff]

The answer is, and will always be the same: we will do better next time

[frank pier]

how'd you get a picture of Ron real time in beyond 😉
And please confirm we are a little over 24 hours till final web 3 LB snapshot (27 hours?)

[vague void]

Well… looks like this is the last little crevice of relevance for me in illuvium land

[tepid geyser]

Why's that?

[vague void]

The new fuel overhaul further cuts off Zero from any relevence in the ecosystem. I was looking forward to using fuel from my plots to engage with the ecosystem. But now land is simply a coupon for 5% revenue based off how much fuel you BURN from your plot. So Zero has in effect bee removed from the ecosystem.

OW gonna be gone for a long while

Arena has discontinued Mac support

So the only bit of fun left is here in Beyond.

[gusty cliff]

I feel the same. Was discussed in IZ chat. Sadness

[vague void]

And someone sent me some disks... not sure why but ty

[smoky verge]

can someone send me disks!?

[meager garden]

hurray for shameless emergency proposals

what's the emergency you might ask?

no idea. That's just how we roll now.

https://tenor.com/view/everybody-panic-gif-13346623

[meager garden]

but hey at least landowners keep the 5% they were promissed 🤣

[vague void]

well... with a catch

you still have to play

and burn the fuel

so it's like extra misery

would prefer they just convert land to staking nfts that don't require effort

[meager garden]

never forget

[gentle relic]

why do you think that IZ is more irrelevant with this announcement?

[vague void]

you will no longer be able to use your own fuel to send to your account. You no longer are able to sell fuel. Zero has been killed.

[gentle relic]

and what you’ll be able to do with land’s fuel sorry?

[vague void]

nothing

you burn it

and get whatever share of 5% of illuvium revenue

based on what u burn

[gentle relic]

damn

[gentle relic]

so land holders have only 5% of the total revenue distribution based on what you burn?

and you can only buy the fuel from the shop?

[vague void]

5% of all illuvium revenue goes to landholders based off what fuel you burn

[vague void]

yep

[gentle relic]

no sense

so the total supply of fuel is endless but the fuel of a land is not part of the total suplly

I don’t understand the sense

[smoky verge]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero
But yeah the economy of Illuvium Zero and Illuvium OW/ Arena is separated with this latest update. so your fuel no longer impacts OW. burning it will give a percentage of revdis, and from there you can choose to buy Fuel from the DAO.

[vague void]

technically not revdis... that's a different mechanism

5% of all illuvium revenue

revdis is for token stakers

[gentle relic]

so the fuel for OW have a separed endless supply correct and the price depend from the short term demand or the price is fixed?

[smoky verge]

so in essence it's the same thing if you burn it, you get an amount of ETH and then can buy fuel back. it's similar to sending it directly to yourself when revenue == amount of fuel you would otherwise produce and use for overworld.

[smoky verge]

the price on the new fuel is fixed.

[vague void]

but is dependent on people spending money on the game

[smoky verge]

revenue is, price of fuel is fixed.

[gentle relic]

and will they rise it if more people play the game ? Based on what they’ve decided the price?

[smoky verge]

price of the new fuel is pegged to 0.01 dollar. no amount of playing will change that.

[gentle relic]

ah okay thanks

Is it objectively expensive to play the game consistenly?

[smoky verge]

it's like buying pokemon packs.

is it expensive to buy pokemon packs mutliple times a day? probably yes

[frank pier]

man glad I didn't buy land recently when I looked at it..in effect it's just a land building game now, that you should wipe once a month so you have something to do....and not a lot of fun. Maybe they should do another land sale? 😉

[fathom lintel]

Pretty much the only thing they could have done with fuel, to be honest. The ups and downs of the crypto market is on a whole different frequency than the pace of game development. The only way to have some soft of stability in asset price is if you have stability in the cost of an OW run.

Thinking we can run a free market with tokens we generate on our lands was a fun idea, did not work.

[meager garden]

there were other solutions that didn't involve completely killing zero. But they chose this and our council approved.

the only thing we needed for this entire system to actually work is fuel being a stable currency.

[inner quest]

Now what is missing is knowing what the Illuvium Team thinks of this discontent, it would have been nice if the team had said: sorry for the various problems of wave 3, let's find a solution or have we thought about solving this way... after all these discussions between sailors of the same boat, how does the team plan to resolve this? it's definitely not the fault of Alexa, Filow, Spacelover, Ron, etc.. it's all because the wave 3 ranking didn't work and there was nothing written about what mattered or not. We've all made bad investments without this.
I ask:
What does the team, Rogier, Rich, Kieran or whoever think?
what will be the solution today?
Why were the wave 3 points calculated differently from the main ranking?
Thanks in advance for the answers, I hope I don't read "in wave 4".

I propose again in hope

[meager garden]

#🎮〕illuvium-beyond message
he has already apologized for the situation. Let's not crucify the man.

[inner quest]

I don't crucify anyone, simple transparency

[potent tulip]

I totally understand the frustration, im a bit powerless i think to solve it at this moment without making more people unhappy or felt treated unfair. It has been said that there were bugs with the LB, ghost points, when the bugs were finally out, u had a different point total than before. Im sorry.

I havent seen a real solution to this problem that feels skewed to a certain batch of playets. Everyone was affected. I personally think, knowing that the rewards were set up like this and known from the beginning, we would keep it this way.

But, i understand also that due to frustration people feel like they should be given something extra. But i dont know how to do it without making it fair for everyone

And then i run into a dead end, without bloating stuff out of proportion or causing a ton of extra work

I appreciate the discussions and proposals and offered solution. If you guys can fully agree on the compromise for everyone, im all ears and ready to tag on, if it is reasonable. But i havent seen it.

Yet

Im trying hard to think of one myself too. But i too havent come up with a good one yet.

[sharp sigil]

I still believe simple solution like extra 1% of what you have earned on your position would be good compensation for everyone. % can be discussed amd decided. I am not going into discussion of special illuvitar and stuff.

[inner quest]

It's nice to read that you're looking for a solution, I hope you find some suitable one, there's still the matter of the different count in the rankings if you can explain to me

[inner quest]

I don't want anything and I don't want to beg for anything..

[frank pier]

All I want is confrim the snapshot in 24 hours with no change, no change in rewards, and when we'll start getting our weekly rewards and wave 3 reward. That's it. Too late to make changes, and a lot of the reward issues were available to confront day one. End of day not time to wince about it. But rewards? Valid wince 😉

[inner quest]

I only ask for transparency, the rest doesn't interest me now

[sharp sigil]

Just trying to help @potent tulip in finding fair solution 😀

[potent tulip]

should also be a doable one 😄

What kind of transparency are you looking for from me/team etc @inner quest

see if i can help you

[inner quest]

why did the wave 3 ranking work differently from the main one? What was the reasoning behind this?

a written regulation would have been ideal

[potent tulip]

That was by design and in the iip. This is a way to make a differentiation between the whole legacy(all collections) and the specific character/illuvitars released for wave 3.

This was definitely communicated in pre-wave blogs etc.
We were hoping to get the Tier 0's included, but on release they had the Wave 0 label on still, and thus didnt count. As the system didnt read them as Wave 3 - only the Gshock doka did go out with a wave 3 label and thus was able to be used.

[inner quest]

most people have bought useless things, it seems to me the least to ask for explanations. I have nothing against anyone

[inner quest]

no this was not communicated pre wave... most of them purchased incorrectly, so it's not just me who didn't read

and the differences not only the T0, but also the luminuos (specific to wave 3) and the extra points of the lines, like the general ranking so to speak

[potent tulip]

I think you are right that we've dropped the ball on making it absolutely clear what the rules were going to be. Its one of the top priorities on the next is to build an illuvium rulebook that lives inside of hte app.. its on the top the list :/

and not just on the app be has dedicated communication around it

[dreamy cipher]

what is the update with LB rewards

[inner quest]

we are all aware that something didn't work but nothing is being done to fix it, I don't see putting it off until tomorrow as the best solution...

[sharp sigil]

BITB rewards arrived guys. Spent some more to climb the LB before the snapshot 😀

[dull pilot]

Me too.. I bought every tier0 illuvitar, holo version with wave 3 background because someone on the team wrote that the tier0s with wave 3 bg should count too. money thrown away

[sharp sigil]

They are planning to update something related to it before wave 4. That might help you 😕

[inner quest]

I'm interested in wave 3 today, tomorrow is another day...

[sharp sigil]

I understand but i don't think anything will change now at this stage for wave 3 unless @potent tulip surprise us with something 😂.

[dull pilot]

wave 3 is over please no more changes 😂

[potent tulip]

this current thing (what the townhall is about) is also eating up most of the resources atm 😄

that i would need to get stuff appear out of a magic hat

[dull pilot]

any news about lb rewards from last 3 snapshots?

[quartz estuary]

Hi Rogier, did you manage to find out anything about the ILV prize pool?@potent tulip

[potent tulip]

🥲 no

i have asked but havent gotten an answer yet

[urban stratus]

snap happened yet?

[smoky verge]

wooooooo 😮

[urban stratus]

just in time i hope lol

[tepid geyser]

Is this something that you plan on building/integrating into the leaderboard for wave 4 or it is to much to do at this stage?

[urban stratus]

hehe i'll be creating a collage of my pulls during wave 3 i really have to lol

[potent tulip]

100% that needs to happen imo

i want to actuall pull them apart and make it very clear and obvious what is what, and how the reward structure works

[soft spoke]

@potent tulip so when is wave 3 snapshot happening? i think its March 1st but if that is accurate at what time?

[soft spoke]

i never tried BITB......are the rewards actually good for it?

[mossy turtle]

#📣〕announcements message
22:00 UTC

[soft spoke]

okay cool thank you

[soft spoke]

new debate topic just dropped: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1345245859729641522

[tepid geyser]

Fiiinally!! something I can get on board with 🔥 😂

[soft spoke]

it would legit be amazing....people will go crazy for this set....it must be done @potent tulip ETA please

also everyone can suggest and vote on what celebrities get included....maybe even make it a competition to have the celebrity you want represented

[hasty grotto]

Playboy Iluvitar would be my prefference 😉

great iconic partner

[hasty grotto]

oh gawd ima gonna be sleeping iknow somebody gonna steal my 20th place

[quartz estuary]

21st place (65 points difference)🧐

[hasty grotto]

on it ...lol

just hope the leader board updates intime

[quartz estuary]

is now updating very quickly

[hasty grotto]

getting rsi from opening stanadrd disk

[hasty grotto]

your right updating quickly 😉

good night but i am up early in the morning normnaly to take the kids to school but its the weekend so we will see

[quartz estuary]

Good night to you) I have a morning)

[smoky verge]

<t:1740866400:f
<t:1740866400:f>
Is the snapshot for wave 3! If you want a repeat, copy the code above 😄
<t:1740866400:R
<t:1740866400:R>
T- 12 HOURS ~

[tepid geyser]

Oh yeah, not long now

[fathom lintel]

The current number 16 collection on the main leaderboard is for sale for 2 ETH. Gets you 3 ILVs a week. #🛒〕beyond-dex message

[frank pier]

and how much wave 3 lb rewards?

[fathom lintel]

Probably around 45 ILVs, based on last prize pool estimate. Plus a Jokull 😉

IF someone buys today...

[meager garden]

Lost hope on the project?

[pseudo pagoda]

@fathom lintel not bad deal ..

[quartz estuary]

Very cool offer, it costs much more, unfortunately I don't have that kind of money(

[quartz estuary]

If you sell each one separately, you will get more than 3ETH

[fathom lintel]

Nah, keeping my lands and illuvials, and a small collection of illuvitars too.

[meager garden]

I wouldn't blame you if you did. Yesterday's emergency proposal shook me a bit tbh.

[fathom lintel]

I know! Trying to price it in a way that it makes sense for someone to buy it.

[fathom lintel]

Not sure about that, also don't mind to give a decent discount to a collector who wants to nurture it for wave 4-5

[fathom lintel]

Haven't watched it yet, but not surprised about the fuel deal at all.

[wide swan]

Please no

[frank meteor]

how can we manage the transaction for the whole album?

[fathom lintel]

let's discuss in DM

[soft spoke]

If you vote no go thumbs down and add feedback if you want so we can gather community sentiment from both sides who are in favor and not in favor.....so far we have 8 yays and 0 nays so seems to be a popular idea so far.......

we gotta give the people what they want and bring illuvitars back to life 💯

[soft spoke]

just imagine we do a promo set with TMZ and they do a segment on illuvitars..........this is how we make it to the big leagues boys and girls .......lets not knock it til we try it

i just realized its almost snapshot time 😱

[soft spoke]

5 more hours

[frank pier]

only 15k for number 5 and the limited illuvitar

15k points

[soft spoke]

indeed but doubt i can gain that much.....plus someone might add more points still even if i did

[frank pier]

I bet some are sleeping on it..go for it 😉

[soft spoke]

will see what i can do...but not too optimistic about it tbh

[frank pier]

sooooo close 😉

[frank pier]

btw totally agree for wave 4 we should have more break points for limited reward illuvitars, like 1, 5, 10, 15, 20 and then 30th place each earning a special one

sucks to be 7 like you and you get what I get at 22

[soft spoke]

1/5/10/25/50

thats what i think it should be

[frank pier]

from the mouth of god 😉

sounds good

I'm ok with 15 though too..get some fighting for that spot

[quartz estuary]

Hi Rich, Roger is offline, can you help us? We are like blind cats with a couple of hours left until the snapshoot but no overall pool results!@wide swan

[frank pier]

I heard they doubled the pool 😉

[quartz estuary]

maybe, but the feeling that we are on our own)

[potent tulip]

I have a number that says 3320ilv - but i have to uet confirm if the gshock sale was added to that or not.

[wide swan]

What’s up

Yeah I don’t have an exact number confirmed yet

[quartz estuary]

Give us a nickname to ask someone, we'll spam it)@wide swan@potent tulip

[wide swan]

It’s Saturday for 1 so please no

And for 2 it’s partially related to cut backs I’ll say so it’s not intentionally left to make you guys angry

[cerulean quartz]

Yeah thats not the main issue Rich, I cannot believe that ones again we are not getting out rewards, once is unacceptable, twice is utter ridiculous and extremely unprofessional, espically with everything that has gone in this project, can we have a date when we will get our rewards for the weekly leaderboard and why once again we have this issue ?

i cannot belive that once again those who invested 1000s cannot get our rewards, it honestly feels like every game is held together by ducktape and glue ready to fall apart at any moment, so disappointing

zero still has loads of bugs, like this i mean , whatr even ?

like why does this pop in zero

then somtimes it logs you out for security reasons after 10 min

then somestimes not for days

[wide swan]

I mean it’s not like anyone is slacking here really, I would say almost everyone here has multiple jobs they are juggling when they signed up for 1. That’s why they are still here because of that. No one is purposefully withholding your rewards and I’ve been pushing for 3 weeks to get them out asap it’s just taking time for security and personnel reasons. If I just started distributing them immediately would be concerning from a security perspective that I could just access the ilv so easily is what I mean.

[cerulean quartz]

if you use it on mobile then you have to start all you fuel site again

bugs on bugs

[cerulean quartz]

not suggesting they been held back, just extremely concerning these issues keep happening , like what experince to devs actauly have ? Then when it does happen, team cannot resolve asap, this are very worrying basic things that should not happen and be fixed quickly

its just a mess

tbh I am sick of messes , yes I can go but token has been crushed so really I cannot

we deserve better

we really do

[wide swan]

I wouldn’t blame any devs directly. I mean again if we unlimited money and resources, beyond would have a dedicated team. But we don’t and it doesn’t

I’m a customer just like you and I wish beyond had more resources

But I also understand the situation

[cerulean quartz]

honestly I dont think thats a good enough excuses , its not your fault, my point these things should not happen from the start, but the do on mutiple occasions

Like what is this in zero ?

why does it still happen ?

[wide swan]

I’m agreeing with you that beyond deserves more love, I’m just saying if I put my team bias aside I still say that as a customer of the crypto industry this problem isn’t unique to Illuvium and I can empathize with both sides

[wide swan]

Not sure what this issue is?

If it’s the mega city issue I’ve responded in zero channel that it should be fixed in the next update

[soft spoke]

agreed...Illuvium project has actually accomplished an impressive amount through some very rough crypto times.....in comparison to other projects they have been one of the most impressive

[urban stratus]

just one more 😛

[smoky verge]

awesome!!!!!!!

[urban stratus]

ready to unnoob

lol

[cerulean quartz]

why does that name your ranger thing come up randomly can you see the pic I attached ?

[wide swan]

yeah I dont know, honestly. I havent seen the bug myself apersonally unless its related to the loggin out issue but its best to report the bug i can at least follow up with peter and see if its a larger issue than just you

[urban stratus]

[smoky verge]

you did it man!!! fuck yeah!

[urban stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-running-gif-27100967

im ready for snap now lol

https://tenor.com/view/oh-snap-dave-chappelle-saturday-night-live-oh-no-omg-gif-19226541

[candid bloom]

Log a bug and reply to this with a support number and i’ll take a look with the team. Probably won’t be until Monday. Would suggest that there is something wrong with your account as this isn’t happening to others from what i can tell. So a reinstall and log out/login would be a good place to start if you haven’t already

[sick dock]

its 1 houer for the snap ♨️ ?

[wide swan]

I think 2?

I’m in a diff time zone though

So don’t trust me

[meager garden]

#🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

[wide swan]

Yeah so 2 hours

[wooden ice]

I waited for over 2 hours, but one of my bonded illuvitars failed to mint (but did get burnt). Decided to bond an alternative. But that one is not as powerful. Is there a way to fix this before the snapshot?

[wooden ice]

As it stands that point difference means I either get a jokull, or don't.

[frank pier]

took then over a week to fix my bonding issue and being a weekend I would say you are fucked...sorry man

what was it?

which illuvitar

[wooden ice]

Just a common holo greater aapon. #749863. But would get me 700 more points than I currently have. Which would put me in 25th place.

[soft spoke]

dm me i will see if i can help u

[zealous delta]

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[wooden ice]

Thx, but I'll take another look at my album and see if I can optimise something else. Just don't enjoy spending my saturday night like this. But appreciate it 🙂

[frank pier]

what do you have with current points? If I have an extra with more points we can swap

[soft spoke]

okie dokie

[wooden ice]

Same answer as above. But tyvm 🙂 I'm fairly confident I can fix this by optimising some stuff. But we'll see.

[wide swan]

Yeah you can look at my account if I have something that will help I’m happy to for free

[wooden ice]

I mean, I still need a dualeph

[wide swan]

lol

I only have 2

And they diff expressions

[frank pier]

he wouldnt' even give that to kiearn though

[wide swan]

Or I would

[frank pier]

😉

[wide swan]

Yeah f Kieran

lol

[frank pier]

lol agree

the rich wanting more of the poor mans stuff 😉

or more of riches in this case

[wide swan]

I still have @potent tulip d1sks

Maybe I just open them

[frank pier]

do it here

[wide swan]

Kieran forgot to ask me to buy some for him

So he’s SOL

[frank pier]

lol

make him buy in secondary for premium

kieran

speaking of sol, finally looking attractive again

[potent tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-lawd-my-precious-gif-13073178

[wide swan]

Meh

Hope it dies

And I still have a bunch lol

No crying in the casino though

🤣

[meager garden]

https://tenor.com/view/casino-oldpeople-oldpeopleonslots-slots-vegas-gif-27586086

[soft spoke]

i definitely cry in the casino....and wet myself....and rip my shirt off....and throw stuff.....and pour my drink on waitress....and punch myself in head....and cry some more...all the time

[frank pier]

nothing like threatening to open your disks to get you here 😉

[tepid geyser]

Almost snapshot time 😅

[quartz estuary]

[smoky verge]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-reversed-reverse-shocked-gif-15608473656380865909

[meager garden]

gosh @wooden ice you made me bond rush like hell...

[wide swan]

what happened

should i start bonding

do i have time

[smoky verge]

-2 minutes

So no

[scenic frigate]

lost one rank

😭

congratz to alexa and finalboss

[smoky verge]

Alexa and Alexa you say!?

[small garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-leonardo-dicaprio-great-gatsby-gif-14034131

Congrats!

[sick dock]

i gave up... tryed so hard but in the end.......... pqwejfph`g´gna

[scenic frigate]

is finalboss the 2nd wallet of alexa?

[smoky verge]

Yeah, and Boosh the third 🤣 🤣

[scenic frigate]

oh boy

[tepid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-3406032206381683784

[scenic frigate]

im poor

[smoky verge]

Well done ser!

[meager garden]

felt exactly like this but on the 25th 😅

[smoky verge]

Absolute monster of a man!

[scenic frigate]

and btc is going up, as if it was waiting for the snapshot

[tepid geyser]

I can imagine. Competition was hot there in those last minutes 😅

[smoky verge]

Okay so who wants to sell me an adorius? 0.05 eth 🤣

Time to scoop up some stuff now that the wave 3 rewards are out haha

[scenic frigate]

can we resleeve now?

[smoky verge]

Yeah should be able to

[scenic frigate]

btw alexa, you have an awesome collection! chapeau!

[tepid geyser]

Thank you!

[quartz estuary]

When is wave 4?🧐

[scenic frigate]

+1 month

tine to hustle

!

[dreamy cipher]

when will the LB payouts be addressed

[wooden ice]

I'm sorry 🦦 But congratz on the Jokull

[soft spoke]

now time to ask for rewards every 10 minutes

[rare mica]

when rewards xD

[scenic frigate]

looking forward to seeing the sonderedition / -prints 😉

[rare mica]

@urban stratus do u had to buy that jokull last minute Xd

[soft spoke]

any given sunday........wait no, thats a movie....i dunno 🙁

[dreamy cipher]

it's been alot of Sunday's

[soft spoke]

well i guess i was correct then afterall 💪

could be any sunday....or none at all...you never know in this town 😉

[frank pier]

yep beyond is not dead for sure..that was fun, hope they do that for wave 4 but maybe monthly payouts and then more reward illuvitars at end

and yeah we'll see if any wave 3 stuff is dumped now 😉

[urban stratus]

i was adviced to do so 😛

[rare mica]

who did it ahah tell me his name

[urban stratus]

lol

worst part didnt help me in the end lol

so lose/lose 😉

[rare mica]

most of my listing i do when am drunk

@gusty cliff

too

[smoky verge]

Oof Zac why did you list it hahaha

Why do you drink Zac!!!

[rare mica]

now u know why

ahaha

not on the weekend no

[urban stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/crackhead-drug-thirsty-gif-8862390

[rare mica]

ahaha

i did not know about wave 3 leaderboard i just forgot xD

[smoky verge]

Well hey you may be able to buy a jokull in a few weeks!

[rare mica]

thats the plan

[soft spoke]

nah is better to keep the prizes for the end i think....people wouldnt want to join late otherwise

[meager garden]

the buzz was all about the reward illuvitars, IMO we should double down on that

and add weekly payouts for the current wave to make it dynamic through out the entire wave.

if we had 3300 ILV prize. I would set the initial 2000ILV for weekly rewards and all the extra would be the final wave's prize pool.

[frank pier]

exactly

[soft spoke]

definitely the ILV mattered too.....i think it would be much less enticing for late comers to join if they see a bunch of the rewards were already given.....but i dunno i never though about it enough yet tbh......could be something to put in proposal/feedback channel see what people think

[meager garden]

well I've thought about this a lot so. IMO this would be hands down the best way to design the wave.

going with your guys suggestion and make 5 leaderboard illuvitars for the 1/5/10/25/50

spread the ILV a bit more to not be so much top heavy

and next wave will be a killer

d1sks bought with fuel and a pity counter introduced to d1sk opening

omg

gief

[soft spoke]

i dunno.....i personally was more excited about the ILV at the end of this wave (since i knew all i was gonna get was a top 25 illuvitar)...so if the ILV part was mostly taken away and all i could win was the Jokull i would not be enthused to buy late in the wave if i bought late and missed out on all the previous ILV

[meager garden]

I didn't say it would be mostly taken away did I? there would still be a a good chunk of ILV

[soft spoke]

well u said atleast half the ILV would be given before the end.....also i dont think the ILV was too top heavy.....but thats my opinion and all this should for sure be debated with community before next wave begins

[candid bloom]

with fuel, i expect a fair few more people to come and try beyond tbf. Especially with stripe payments meaning players won’t have to jump through the crypto hoops if they don’t wanna

[candid bloom]

@potent tulip one for you

i’ll read your doc tomorrow or monday 🙈

[frank pier]

can you or @wide swan post the final wave 3 lb snapshot?

[sick dock]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i was about to bond my mates . but thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnn they are all dope so i froze 🥶

[frank pier]

right choice

unless send you to next level 😉

[sick dock]

congrats on the 25 huhhh💢 👁‍🗨

[lilac olive]

good evening and congratulations to all x your collections .... it was really hard to stay within the top 25....

[finite zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/no-not-in-my-house-dog-shake-head-nope-gif-20870595

[sick dock]

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[tepid geyser]

No need, the leaderboard froze at 22:00, just like last time. Permanent snapshot 😄 👍
It's a nice touch.

[hasty grotto]

we still havent got the old leaderboard payouts yet right I definately havent

[tepid geyser]

Not yet no. Team still working on it.

[molten storm]

Congrats everyone! Gave up on top 10 and went to sleep 2 hours before the snapshot. Was a wise decision😁

[smoky verge]

Your pfp is too high quality for my discord to load 🤣 🤣

[potent tulip]

Thank you and congratz to everyone who participated in wave 3 - We had some bugs and hick ups,, things didn't go quite smooth - but overall i hope the changes that came to the Beyond this Wave were enjoyable and a step forward. Again - thank you so much! Let's make Wave 4 even better! ❤️

[final mist]

Congratulations to the winners and congratulations to all the illuvium staff who are very present with the community. This is very important and very positive for the project... Thank you 🙏

[sick perch]

I also thank you for taking part in the competition. Thank you to the competitors for making the competition so exciting. Although I was often nervous and frustrated because of the bugs, the illuvium team was always willing and helpful. Thank you for your work. 👏🤝🙃 We will continue and hope that the next wave will be even more exciting. ✨

[tepid geyser]

Thank you and everyone involved for working tirelessly to make wave 3 the best wave to date
There were bugs and such, but for me, the positives far outweighed the negatives and what is more important is how any bugs/hiccups that come your way, you learn from them, adapt and improve. We've come a long way in just 3 waves.
Super hype for wave 4, based on the leak the other day, it's going to be a banger for sure!

[inner quest]

is there any news for the top 10 positions? or aside from the nice words, it all ended like this, Rogier, have you studied a solution?

[sharp sigil]

Nothing 😞

[inner quest]

everyone happy except the best investors...

I hope they resolve it somehow

[meager garden]

top 10 got very high ILV rewards, I don't see much to complain about.

[inner quest]

of course everything is ok for you, you have invested 1/5 of the first 10 and you have the same prize at n. 25 of n.6... excellent result for you

[meager garden]

lol you got almost double ILV than me...

your complaining is getting tiresome tbh

[sharp sigil]

Because it requires lots of investment

[inner quest]

so there is no peoportion... I invested at least 5 times more than you and I only took double the ilv and the same illuvitar

[meager garden]

isn't that the name of the game? Who has the biggest wallet?

it gets exponentially harder to be at the top spots

shouldn't be any news about this

[meager garden]

exponentially harder

not linear

sure I agree with you guys the illuvitars could have been better distributed

but that was decided months ago

so if you want changes voice it for wave 4

[inner quest]

but I don't want to start a war between sailors, I just want to know who can answer what he thinks he's doing

[sharp sigil]

@meager garden Take it easy mate... He is just raising a question and disappointment

[meager garden]

m8 in life there's winners and losers that's how it is.

[sharp sigil]

Obviously it was not fair but we can't do much now for wave 3 😕

[inner quest]

sure... but beyond nice words we need to do concrete facts, have you noticed how many unhappy people? have you seen how many are abandoning the project? I wanted to see if it was you Litre-a-cola...

[inner quest]

ok, if nothing can be done about wave 4 I'll just sell...

[sharp sigil]

I understand your feelings

[inner quest]

I'm fine with a 40 power t0... if the leaderbord wave 3 worked from the start no one would have complained

it's a matter of thanking your best investors

the problem is that there are only 5 people who are not happy, so nothing will be done...

[sick perch]

It must have been very difficult to get into the top 10. I also think rhamphite deserves the top 10...I understand you and that you don't think it's fair. Sorry guys

[meager garden]

guys this is very simple. You think you deserve the rhamphite for top 10 then write an ICCP.

[sharp sigil]

Then its obvious to get high rewards as well 😀😉. Special Illuvitar distribution is not fair and thats what he is referring to. I acknowledge that top 5 and top 25 published long ago and we should have raised the issue earlier but people can't see the issue until they know what they are getting as rewards

[meager garden]

all this talk and no governance action is meaningless...

this will most likely get changed for wave 4 but if you wanna change the current rules for wave 3 you need to do an ICCP.

[inner quest]

again... so you want to continue teasing us... I'm waiting for Rogier or someone else who proposes something concrete

[meager garden]

you want anything more concrete than this???

write a damn proposal where you change the top 5 illuvitar to be top 10

this has nothing to do with Rogier. We're a DAO remember? At least in paper.

[sharp sigil]

Fyi @meager garden , @inner quest is referring to this comment and he is asking valid questions so dont need to stop him or anyone who feels not treated fairly.

[meager garden]

what does that have to do with what I said? Even if you get Rogier on board you'll still need to write an ICCP to change things...

[inner quest]

there is a clear problem, if wave 3 worked, if there were written rules on how the points were calculated, I don't want to argue between sailors, so I'm waiting for someone who matters and who can solve this problem and convince me to stay in illuvium. I hope you understand my reasoning well

[inner quest]

I don't want to write anything and I don't care, if my commitment in wave 3 is rewarded I will also play wave 4, otherwise if no one cares I won't play wave 4, can you understand that way?

[meager garden]

writing such a simple ICCP shouldn't take more than 15 minutes. Maybe it's time you guys get more involved with governance. Just saying.

[inner quest]

I'm just saying that this doesn't matter to anyone, only 5 of us, so anything written or proposed will be rejected, so I'm waiting for someone else who can do something concrete

[meager garden]

GL with that.

[inner quest]

Kieran, Rogier or whoever can reward their best investors by considering what didn't work

[tepid geyser]

I think Filow is correct. To change something as fundamental as reward structures, it will need a proposal.
Even if Kieran, Rogier or whomever came up with an idea, it would still have to go through the same governance process.
Obviously if you had them on board it would help your cause.

[inner quest]

ok then I'll wait for their proposal

[sick perch]

Don't you want to raffle two rhamphites? The price of a raffle would be 10 ilv tokens 🤪😅🐲

[sharp sigil]

Hi all community members, Please cast your vote for the new proposal that i created to address the top 250 players. Proposal is here: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1345734128334536745

[sharp sigil]

Fyi, this is not having anything special for top 10 players 😀😀. I am trying to fight for the community here and trying to get something fair for all of us. 🙂

[inner quest]

I can vote for this if it is the common feeling of everyone, but I would like a proposal from Kieran, Rogier, Rich, etc.

[sick perch]

Perfect wording. Thank you on behalf of everyone 😀

[sharp sigil]

Lets try and comment/vote on it and that may also change what keiran or rogier are discussing now. 🤔

[sharp sigil]

Are they making any proposal or you are just assuming here?

[tepid geyser]

It is an assumption.

[inner quest]

I don't know anything, I hope they are doing something

[sharp sigil]

Dont assume here... We can get community sentiment around it via our own proposal and that can drive them to change things

[tepid geyser]

Hey @smoky verge, I see you 😅
What are your thoughts?

[smoky verge]

Cant even lurk peacefully anymore

[inner quest]

I don't take anything for granted, I hope so and I hope that they are skilled enough to tune everyone, especially the 5 from pos 6 to 10.

[potent tulip]

there were many more people involved in the leaderboard than 5-10, the thresholds of these special 'prize' illuvitars have been communicated well before the start.
I'd be willing to explore giving a special illuvitar to the whole leaderboard but it wouldn help this specific group of 5 people 'extra'.

[sharp sigil]

Thats the exact reason i have created the proposal here : https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1345734128334536745

[potent tulip]

ur making it about money, which im against

but ultimately not up to me

it sucks for sure that things took so long to fix, but there wasnt any mal intent - it was communicated the leaderboard didnt function as it shouldve. But i can't keep repeating myself regarding it - clearly whatever is said isnt enough to ease the feelz. So dont know whats next. Governance we go.

[sharp sigil]

It doesn't have to be huge but fair compensation. I dont think you can distribute 1 illuvitar equally to everyone as every player spent money in different quantity so proportional rewards makes much more sense and fair to me.

[potent tulip]

But we are talking about a game based on luck - or on buying good deals of a market

this makes no sense

[inner quest]

those most disappointed and affected are the first 10 from positions 6 to 10, so we must think of them differently, because the investment was different and currently they are the most penalized

[potent tulip]

and if ur like .. we should track exactly how much someone has spent .. well if u bought from the marketplace ,, we 'the dao' never got that money anyway.. so then what..
you still spent this money to get on the leaderboard, but didnt spent it to us.. yet we Should compensate you? Dont you see that this is something that just cant work?

its a slipperly slope

[smoky verge]

This is a bit less of a structured message. Im on a family party so just trying to do this off the side:

I have reservations about making any promises because it would be a bit of an icky situation to be in.

From a team's perspective, it is easier to just fix things for wave 4. After all, wave 1 we had higher pricing than wave 2, but we didnt give say 20% wave 1 d1sks when we reduced price of wave 2.

Wave 1 we saw a minting issue, we paused things but didnt reimburse people.
Prior to wave 3 we had a significant miscommunication around weekly payout. We did eventually send out the week's rewards but not more than was promised.

Leaderboard was publicly known to be buggy the first couple months. Point allocations may have been communicated more openly but idk if that warrants giving more ILV. We so far havent given more than was promised, and going down that path makes for a slippery slope.

Team likely wants to let wave 3 be passed, and focus on wave 4.

I would be curious whether team is Okay with increasing ILV rewards from wave 4 onwards. Say we now do 1 ilv per eth orso, we could look into doing 1.2 ILV starting next wave. This would be in line with the now proposed 20% increase for current leaderboard.

I just think rewarding a new and fully functional leaderboard is better than rewarding based around the buggy leaderboard we had.

1. Increases interest for wave 4
2. Keeps people involved so people dont just dip after wave 3 extra rewards either.

[sick perch]

And I hope the g-shock disks purchase will be added to pool...That would also be important. 🙂

[inner quest]

for me the correct solution is that what will be modified or made to wave 4 is also done for wave 3, because if in wave 4 changes to the structure are needed the same must apply to wave 3, in this way everyone is happy and happy.

[inner quest]

if changes are correct for wave 4, even more so are they correct for wave 3

this way no one can feel rewarded in the wrong way, because it will be the same for wave 4

[quartz estuary]

Thank you for Wave 3, it was many times better than the previous waves, there was a battle here) I have one question! When is wave 4)?@potent tulip

[tepid geyser]

If we change the reward structure of wave 3 to please a handful of people, what is to stop that happening every wave in the future because of another bug (which are inevitable). You undermine the whole thing and will cause everyone to lose confidence. The rules of the game will be worth little to nothing.

[inner quest]

It seems to me that the rules are constantly changing, the snapshot after a week, wave 2 a month longer, ranking that counts points differently, now the matter is simple if the changes are correct for wave 4 because it is clear that it doesn't work well this way, why not change for the better straight away?

because no one cares about 5 people, simple

[inner quest]

Alexa think if today you were Litre-a-Cola... I don't know if you spoke like that... today your collection has great value because there are people who play, tomorrow if 10/15 of the best people leave?

nothing against you friend, but you are all fair and correct, for fairness I express my thoughts

[tepid geyser]

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. It was clear from the beginning that you had to make top 1/5/25 to get a rare illuvitar. They didn't make it into the top 5 and therefore will only receive one. It would suck, but that's the game, but they still get compensated a higher amount of ILV.

[inner quest]

so everything will remain like this for wave 4 too, right? if everything is correct... do you honestly think that if the wave 3 chart worked correctly was there anyone complaining? if the points were counted as the main classification would we have complained?

[sick perch]

Everyone is right about something. The fact that the first 10 deserved rhamphite. But if it was known from the beginning that only 5 accounts would receive that illuvitar, then it was pointless to spend so much and take the competition so seriously....it was known that alexa, raty and jubjub would not have opponents. 🙂 The fact that the first 10 get more tokens than the first 20 is at least correct...It may not be worth as much as the money we put into it today, but you don't have to sell it right away. Then when the bull market comes and the token will be 70 dollars or maybe 100 dollars again, no one will be dissatisfied anymore 🙂

[inner quest]

yes but I think about today, tomorrow is another day, the ilv discussion is something else, it could go to 100 or it could go to 0

[frank pier]

I know the ilv distributions are FU right now and we will earn them due this dead period, but can you pay out the illuvitars earned from the wave 3 lb now at least? give us a little something to enjoy and show off 🙂
And then please pay the wave 3 lb rewards as soon as the spigot is turned on. And I agree this "game" isn't just about money or prizes, but it is what makes it a game for the most part. Important the mechanics are explained and work well or you get what you got to enjoy in here today 😉 And yeah "special" illuvitars being more widely distributed and the top ilv rewards trimmed some (sorry alexa) and fattened up through the middle would make sense as we saw the fight for position at the end for top 25...a lot of fun. There is still life here 🙂 Wave 4 info asap would also be great. Thanks for showing up here...appreciate you

[sick perch]

I completely understand you and you are right about the special illuvitar. I think you deserve rhamphit too. but if it was obvious from the beginning that only 5 accounts would get it, then it was pointless to enter the competition.

[sick perch]

we hope that the rewards will be distributed differently in the future. what is important is that people stay and new people get to know illuvium. The popularity would only have a positive effect on the game in the future

The third wave has just ended. let's take a deep breath and relax a little from the stress of recent times 🙂

[dim ingot]

Can you explain why you think they deserve one.
Did they spend more than the top 5 players?
Were they penalised more heavily than the top 5 players?
Do the top 5 players deserve to have their rewards devalued in favour of players that have spent less and were inconvenienced less?
Can I hear your reasoning?

[sick perch]

I am not involved in the topic because I am not in the top 10. everything is fine for me as it is, I'm just trying to understand their situation as well. obviously the top 5 players deserve more. they just say that the difference between 5-10th place and 20-25th place is very big. in points and money spent. it is also true that in illuvium they get more than me. maybe another special illuvitar would have solved these problems... but as I said, I have no objections, I am not involved in the case 🙂 🤝✌️

It's hard to please everyone. In fact, it is impossible. They can't make 250 special illuvitars for the top 250 players because then it wouldn't be special anymore.It was a competition, everyone knew what they wanted to achieve. I am personally not dissatisfied and I will close the topic because it doesn't belong to me.

[urban stratus]

can i ask why rewards are not self claimable? I just realised in OW missions that was possible..

not a complaint and not gonna click that link lol

that was fast hahaha

[urban stratus]

maybe this is complicated thing to do but just asking out of curiosity

[tepid geyser]

I like the idea 👍 .

[wide swan]

Would be good from a tax perspective possibly

[pseudo pagoda]

Can i chang my lb back to my better score now that lb points have been taken for lb3 ?

Say that 3 times fast haha

[soft spoke]

i would thinks so....snapshot would have been token at snapshot time

and wave 3 lb might just stay how it is anyway if u make change......so yes you should be able to arrange your album to its best point total now

[pseudo pagoda]

@tepid geyser congratulations on the win

[tepid geyser]

Thanks! I appreciate it

[sharp sigil]

@wide swan , i thought we were getting pending rewards in the weekend. Are we getting them soon along with wave 3 rewards?

[wide swan]

I am working on it still I think we are closer

[frank pier]

rumour is t-rump will be adding ILV as a US crypto reserve 😉

You just kept us from selling at the bottom Rich haha

Kieran next VP?

[sharp sigil]

T-rump ?

Whats that?

[soft spoke]

Tyrannosaurus Rump

[soft spoke]

i ended up in 8th......to give you an example for what some people are talking about.....there was issues with leaderboard and points were not showing accurately and also there was confusion about what was needed for points.......because of this i ended spending hundreds of more dollars that i didnt need to or want to because the wave board was showing me way out of 10th and I wanted to get into atleast 10th (the board had a bunch of errors that showed some people with way more points than they actually had and some people with way less)..........then the board got fixed and i realized i did not need to spend that extra hundreds of dollars to get top 10 and is basically just wasted.........then during this time realization that the gap in the competition between 5th and 25th is huge and that it made logical sense there should be some type of special prize for people around 10th rank......if all the error issues didnt happen i would not have seen that as a big deal and would have just suggested we do better next wave.....but with all the error stuff on top of it it only hugely multiplied the feeling of disappointment........that is my experience and it seems other people had similar and felt the same way

that being said though....although that is a frustrating thing to me....i personally am still happy overall with the project so i am okay with just letting it slide if there is nothing done to kinda make that situation not feel as bad........but there is atleast one person who said they wanna quit now because of the frustration from the situation so I am just writing that to give better understanding about it what happened and why some feel this way

there is atleast 5 people saying a similar thing

i am personally fine with just leaving things how they are though and focusing on wave 4 now....thats my input on it

[sharp sigil]

The problem here is that 1/5/25 reward was announced on the start of the wave but we all suddenly realised it towards the end of the wave with all of those issues and top 5 to top 25 gap is too big and not fair to get special illuvitar.

[soft spoke]

i think the best solution suggested was to just make one small change....which would be, for the top 25 prize of the jokull....make the top 10 of those jokulls holos

or even the top 12....

[sharp sigil]

But they will not allow at this stage to have that for top 10

[soft spoke]

ya seems like it...but that was the best compromise in my opinion

[sharp sigil]

Would you write proposal for it and ask community if they support it or not? If the outcome is negative then we can close this matter based on it.

[soft spoke]

sure

[soft spoke]

it is ready : https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1345921362073620510

[tepid geyser]

I've just received a mega disk from someone. Does anyone know this account?
Whoever you are, thank you!

[sharp sigil]

Must be from BITB rewards

[tepid geyser]

Ahhh, makes sense. Cheers!

[soft spoke]

flow beat wild robot for best animated film

what a bunch of bullshiiiii

flow was good but come on wild robot is one of best movies ever.....who is deciding this

late reaction...i am watching rerun....but this made me mad as hell

[soft spoke]

atleast twice now people thanked the sex worker community for their oscar....wtf is going on

[soft spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogX8s2HsO2A

just testing something dont mind me

@vague void told me they started milliv vanilli....just waiting for the facts

girl u know its truuuu

[soft spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEtOJCdN8NQ

they actually tried to suffocate me

[soft spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfSTJuEl0Ac

[smoky verge]

You been drinking? Post this stuff in #🏃〕off-topic lol

[soft spoke]

everything gon be okay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEy5x-vTH4g

everything gon be okay lol

[sharp sigil]

@potent tulip , i dont know if its possible but i would love to get holo jokull for top 25 rewards if top10 is not possible. I dont mind everyone in top 25 getting it. Holo version of it would be so cool for everyone in top 25...

[inner quest]

no for me it is not correct, there is no proportion based on the investment made, the n. 6 cannot receive the same prize as no. 25

excuse me but I'm always waiting for a concrete proposal for n.6 to n. 10

[sharp sigil]

I understand your point of view but i dont think anything will change now to include top 10 price. I am now trying to make the top 25 price looks attractive for everyone who are in top 25. I think thats the last thing i can try now if its feasible on implementation side. I dont think top 25 players will have any concerns about the holo version of it. It just that how feasible it is on implementation side which rogier can answer...

[inner quest]

the only suitable proposal, which does not create differences and discontent, is to apply to wave 3 the same proportion of rewards that will be established for wave 4. We all agree that the rewards of wave 3 are not correct between n. 5 and no. 10, so as it will be changed in wave 4 so it should be applied to wave 3.

I hope that Rogier, Rich, Kieran or whoever has clout can propose this, with the honesty that this is correct

[dim ingot]

The 🛳️ has sailed now, move on!

[smoky verge]

#1344635984859496542 message

This is the response Rogier shared previously.

No new illuvitars for wave 3 leaderboards, neither Holo or non holo.
Giving extra ILV rewards is something we ahven't done before, and would set a bad precedent.

Changing things for wave 4 to make things more streamlined and interesting going forward is the way to go.

[quartz estuary]

Hi Rogir, could you please let us know when we can expect the rewards for wave 3? or who is the best person to ask?@potent tulip

[inner quest]

I don't want a fight between sailors, but you still don't understand... tomorrow it could be you in my place

[potent tulip]

I think (afaik) the weekly rewards will be caught up fairly soon 1 to 2 days depending on something regarding the Safe, then the W3 pool will likely follow soon after. But don't pin my words on it here, its being observed and some external stuff they waiting on to get fixed.

[inner quest]

so is this the definitive answer or are you assuming this?

[smoky verge]

As per us being a DAO, this is the current route, UNLESS you write a proposal, it gains 25 upvotes and the council approves it. This is not up to Kieran , Rogier or Rich to decide. This requires you to bolster community sentiment, get those 25 upvotes in #1020759212172775464, then reach out to an ICC member, and then write a proposal.

But as far as i've seen, there isnt' a whole lot of support for this. Which means the proposal won't take off, and fixing things for wave 4 will be the agreed upon process.

[inner quest]

ok thanks, but Rogier wrote earlier that he was thinking of a solution, I was waiting for it.

[smoky verge]

we are all thinking of a solution, but we aren't really getting anywhere without giving an imbalanced perk to a small group of the community.
(Or giving rewards that weren't promised that sets us down an uphill battle to never do something like that again.)

The easiest thing to do is balance the next wave and ensure we make it fun for the entirety of the community instead.

[inner quest]

ok thanks for the answer, but as always we are all convinced of balancing wave 4 but no one fixes wave 3.

[smoky verge]

Just like we didn't give everyone X amount of free d1sks because wave 1 was priced higher than wave 2.

"oh i could have bought X more d1sks if the d1sks were priced lower last wave". Yeah, tough luck, next wave will be better!

And so it has always been. We make changes from wave to wave and get to a more and more amazing product in doing so.

[serene python]

Changes to rewards shouldn't be done when the Event already is ongoing. Especially not just before it ends or if it already Ended.
We need continouity and trust

[smoky verge]

And every time the team did promise rewards, like the Emote D1sks for every Alpha d1sk bought in wave 1, the team delivered.

Also the wave 2 threshold reward squizz-diskplates that are being created (2 actually 👀), the team is trying hard to keep up with the IOU's they actually promise. But they don't make new promises after things are said and done.

[inner quest]

changes should not be made to anything if we are talking about trust, it seems to me that the snapshot was taken 1 week later...

[smoky verge]

This was to allow everyone time to do their diligence on their album after the bugs were fixed. They announced the rationale publicly and timely.

[inner quest]

of course, too bad that Litre-a-cola was n. 5

[frank pier]

yeah was wondering if we used the same system as bybit did

which pretty much everyone does (uni, etc)

[inner quest]

0xb5d5814bc7d342a615f66d054e20bf65ccd97c9b I sell my first album in position 14 estimated 8.21 ETH with 4,488 accessories and 4,055 ivvulitars at 6 ETH, with stronger illuviutars to tie on different points. Anyone interested can write to me privately

[frank pier]

will you consider selling individual illuvitars later? And dump those acc. now...damn prices ran up on those while everything else went down. Good luck

[inner quest]

thanks for the advice friend, but selling out isn't a problem

[sick perch]

Try to calm down a bit. Selling when you are nervous may not be the best decision. I only want good things for you. it can be argued whether it is fair or not that the 6th gets the same illuvitar as the 25th. But we already knew at the beginning that there would only be three special illuvitars and we also knew how many places these would be awarded. I don't want to defend the DAO, but these are facts and I like to see things realistically. either you should have fought for the first 5 places or if you knew that you had no real chance then you should not have taken the competition so seriously and you should have set a 20th place as your goal. It would have been great if Jokull was also holo, but unfortunately we knew this from the beginning that it wouldn't be.We hope that the value of the token will go up and that will ease your pain because you will get more than me in the 16th place.Think about it and stay in my opinion. wave3 was also exciting because of such strong players. 🙂 🤝

[frank pier]

My concern was we learned giving away free disks in wave 2 for wave 3 hurt wave 3. Yet we went ahead and doubled points arbitrarily, probably to get some last minute disk sales, which were probably done in silv which was of no help to the dao, and now we have a pile of free disks coming out for wave 4. Not smart. Love to know the actual amount of free disks being awarded for wave 4 compared to wave 3.

[urban stratus]

97.85 mega disk rewards lets goooo lol i just made up a number 😉

[smoky verge]

do you know all the points awarded per d1sk? you can simply calculate a rough estimate by looking at total sales and openings.

[urban stratus]

go to launch party on the right you see your total points then divide by 80 - just realised this was not the point sorry

[smoky verge]

On illuvi-analytics dot com
you can see total amount d1sks bought and burnt. multiply those numbers with respective points for each and then divide by 40 (or 80) because of double points.

[urban stratus]

3’385.55 total reward disks if you take total points of community divided by 80

[smoky verge]

3380?

That's much better than last wave with 6-8K

[urban stratus]

i think i calculated correctly.. but do check

so i just did way better than w2 🙂

[smoky verge]

almost half the sold megad1sks this wave were free though. So that will be reduced next wave again.

[urban stratus]

i think opening didnt count though

[smoky verge]

they did count

[sick perch]

38 mega 😀

[urban stratus]

buying didnt count?

[smoky verge]

opening counted. buying didn't.

[urban stratus]

wasnt that just the colab?

[smoky verge]

was for everything

[urban stratus]

hmm i was sure i read something were its switched with the colab disks..

or did it change during wave? i always open anyway so i didnt care much haha

[smoky verge]

it changed for the entirety of wave 3. from the start tho. so no nothing strange took place 😄

[urban stratus]

oki my mistake haha

[smoky verge]

so you need to check opened count instead of bought

[sick perch]

is it 38 mega? 🙂

[smoky verge]

3088/80 = yes.

[sick perch]

nothing changed with double the point then. 80 points = one mega. Nice 🙂

[smoky verge]

but instead of 1544 points you had before, now you have 3088

[urban stratus]

[smoky verge]

97

[urban stratus]

not rounded up? 😭

JK im good with 97 lol

[sick perch]

Sick. 🤯

[urban stratus]

i think i got like almost exactly the same amount as you last wave and it was easier then 😉

so im kinda worried about you now 😛

@tepid geyser hektor is coming

[inner quest]

you're right, at the beginning we could only fight for 2 special illuvitars... and that suits me too, I don't have problems with anyone, but everyone talks about honesty and consistency but then votes the opposite. You can't change anything in progress but then you change everything. We all know that this reward system is not correct but nothing changes. If the wave 3 ranking worked correctly I could choose whether to continue buying or not, if the points were considered as the main one I bought different things. I've been here since before wave 1, I brought 3 new players in wave 3, now the things that have happened have undermined my confidence so I prefer to go elsewhere.

[sick perch]

Be a little persistent and maybe you will be much more satisfied with the fourth wave. I also put more money into it than the reward is worth, but we don't have to sell it right away, just in case it will be worth much more in 1-2 months. Then it was worth it. Anyway, it's a fun game, I'm already waiting to see what illuvitars will be like in the fourth wave. 😀

[urban stratus]

i agree to some degree and I changed how i do things compared to w2 but an album sale post belongs in dex just saying.. lol

[urban stratus]

really depends on what's in those w4 mega reward disks 😉

[sick perch]

In the fourth wave, I think the second best special illuvitar will be given to the top 10. Stay with us and let's keep doing it.🙏🙃

[inner quest]

this is exactly the problem, in wave 4 it will definitely be for the top 10, wave 3 the top 5, so in wave 4 I won't participate so I have no problems. If this is correct for wave 4 it must also be correct for wave 3.

[inner quest]

in wave 4 I hope to see you in the top 5 😉

[sick perch]

But maybe they made these illuvitars months ago. So they couldn't change it even if they wanted to

[sick perch]

I don't have that much money. 😅😂

[sick perch]

there are people I wouldn't even dare to compete with 🤦🤪😂

[urban stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/amazaon-alexa-gif-10508687

i was ready to go with that gif btw dont ask how i knew 😉

[sick perch]

If there are 3 holo phosphorus or 3 holo titanor in the disks I received, I might have a chance 😆

[urban stratus]

sorry 4 of them are reserved for me 😉

[sick perch]

😆😂

[urban stratus]

haha

[sick perch]

LuckyHani

🤪

[urban stratus]

is there images of those already?

[sick perch]

I don't know about it

[urban stratus]

i really want a phosphorus hehe

[sick perch]

but only in holo version right? 😀

[urban stratus]

ill take any exp any bg and any finish on those lol

@wide swan btw can we expect an announcement soon? would greatly appreciate an update on stuff..

[wide swan]

An announcement of what? Payments?

[urban stratus]

for example but even just like a wave ended thing and if realisticly possible whats gonna be next steps. i would love to know how much of a gap we can expect obviously but i dont wanna push it honestly.

[sick perch]

Hi Rich. when do you send out the watches? I didn't want to ask during the wave because you had a lot to do 🙂

[urban stratus]

when they arrive in the netherlands hehe

[wide swan]

We havent received them from Casio yet

[sick perch]

i understand. I don't want to rush you, I just thought I'd ask. 🙂

[wide swan]

No problem as soon as they arrive I will inform people of the claims process

[sick perch]

will the next wave start in a month?

[wide swan]

I dont know that for sure yet, but I know rogier was aiming for that amount of break

[sick perch]

that's not much time. we will still get the weekly reward until then, right?

[sick perch]

and can we reset the album now to get as many points as possible? don't just prioritize wave3

[smoky verge]

Rewards only pause of there is a technical exploit / difficulty. Which there is none at the moment. So no pause expected

[sick perch]

so after the legacy leaderboard, do we also get it when there is no wave? has it been like this before? I don't know this because I only came in wave3

[frank pier]

yes it will still be like wave 3...a legacy board weekly and then a wave 4 lb with payout periods not disclosed yet, but most at the end

[smoky verge]

Legacy continues in the interrim of waves because you can still compete. You can buy off of secondary market and push alexa to rank 2.

[frank pier]

and his children 😉

[sick perch]

good joke 🤪

[frank pier]

@potent tulip when you have time love to see some wave 4 leaks posted here during dead period..maybe one a week??? 🙏 Build some excitement and since they are ready to go... 🙂

[slender jetty]

wen 20

[potent tulip]

Ill see what i can do...

Ghazothep in upcoming wave 🙂 @frank pier

That's all folks! ❤️

[wide swan]

oh man

[vague void]

Well shoot... these look really good 🌟

[frank pier]

thanks...exciting 🙂

[finite zealot]

Artace is so pretty!

[sick perch]

And Mah'mut is a beast! ✨🤯

in holo version it is very sick for sure

[frank pier]

can we just have a few wave 4 disks to open now? 😉

the people in discord beyond 🙂

We won't tell

[potent tulip]

u might be right

[sick perch]

Holy moly...this is brutally beautiful 🤯👏✨ I hope I can open it 😅

[frank pier]

with a great background? not even sure you should put acc. on it

how about in gold? 😉

actually kidding, better not gold

[potent tulip]

hahah

i dont have it 😄

[frank pier]

well what are you sitting around here for??? 😉

get to it...or do it as garf would say

[potent tulip]

new w4 t0 bg

[frank pier]

love wave 3 bg, and this is even better

a looooooot better than dots 😉

like the batman signal

[frank pier]

like auroras borealis

what if the background had multiple colors