🎮〕illuvium-arena

[cyan olive]

Yeah we surely start new and fresh, wouldn’t make sense not to, especially because we not only beta test atm, but also play on everything unlocked god accounts

[cursive echo]

When are we planning to resume the reward?

[warped ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/neva-never-marc-homealone-youcantstopme-gif-9816521

[west plume]

I have clocked 1010 matches and my rank does not reflect that

At all

It reflects something

[worldly jolt]

Are we both in the 700s club?

https://tenor.com/view/700club-700s-club-700-dph-gif-25616289

[worn tree]

Nerf proposal to Rha:

Increase the energy requested to cast omega.
&/or
Make his AOE Omega damage decrease proportionally base on how far the target is from the epicenter of the cast (this allows the aoe to be bigger, but the further away the targets are, the lower the impact of Rha on its targets, this makes positioning much more skillful&rewarding and less polarizing. Right now an enemy being 1 cell away of being outside rha omega cast range will take same damage as any unit next to rha himself, this feels weird).
&/or
Make his omega cast animation longer, thus being more vulnerable to counterplay by cast interruption.

[gentle bronze]

I’m a fan of less damage further from the center but I hate getting my omega cancelled enough already 😂👏

[silver merlin]

I like the position damage change, and they need to make the hitbox correct because I have a lot that units outside still get hit

[worn tree]

Hahahaha nice 😄

I mean to me rha should be a glass cannon type of unit in the sense that only having it on the deck should be a massive threat to the enemy player. But once in game, if dealt with, can be easily counterable if you bring the resources and techs in your deck. So it should be there, threatening and mindgaming enemy player. Will he play it next round, will he not?

[worn tree]

This is a common bug affecting all aoe effects in illuvium. It's not that they get hit outside, what happens is that, if a unit is outside of the cast range when the cast take place, that unit doesn't get affected. However, if the unit steps in the cast range 1-2 seconds after the cast, despite being outside at the time of the cast, that unit gets inflicted with the effect regardless. Another example of this other than rha omega is aapon stun.

[worn tree]

This is seen clearly for instance with rota omega. Rha casts, rota is in the other side of the map, rota casts, rolling into rha omega. Rota is outside of the AOE right when the damage is inflicted but gets affected by the damage regardless once the rat rolls inside the area of effect.

[silver merlin]

So aoe illuvials are stronger than they should be

[worn tree]

Yep hahahahahha

[silver merlin]

You think it's gonna be fixed or a ✨feature✨?

[worn tree]

Must be fixed, will be fixed. Imho...

[west plume]

Iam not that low😂

Sorry

Shit, I am currently in the 700s

@zenith mortar what is your level?

[zenith mortar]

About same

I dropped under 1000 to never return

[west plume]

Same, right after rewards kicked off I nuked hard

No need to bring rewards back imo

[west quartz]

haven't been able to play for the past week, any changes in the meta yet ?

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-dancing-grooving-star-wars-stormtrooper-gif-17945460

[worn tree]

Even worse, there is a way to counter the only deck that countered rha/rogue.

So we are fucked

[silver merlin]

Well technically that's a balanced meta since you have multiple viable decks

[west plume]

Which one might that be?

[zenith bough]

You mean the counter? Or the counter to the counter?

[silver merlin]

Counter to counter

[west plume]

The counter and the counter to the counter

[gentle bronze]

@lapis quiver fun game ty for not using rev/rhamphyre

[zenith bough]

Yeah. The counter to the counter. Such a good deck

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-21960775

[silver merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

[sterile locust]

hellou! how can i invite friend, where can i get my referral link?

[zenith bough]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-fall-ahhh-hole-gif-17048120

[zenith mortar]

That last week of Arena rewards will be delayed a bit (at most next week) because Johnny is out for the week.

[zenith bough]

What’s the counter deck @silver merlin @west plume ?

[craggy sable]

Can you tell me where I can see the items that fall at the end of the round?

[worn tree]

The thing is that its rha/rogue itself that counters it, so nope, its a giga oppressive one trick pony meta and I cant think of anything that beats rha rogue consistently, so yeah... We are fucked until next patch

[worn tree]

Rha rogue but with affinity adjustments to prevent hyper empaths

[edgy flower]

Wen patch with new units? at least with new wildfire / inferno / tempest who is looks like ~ready : )

[hot pond]

Is there a new revenant unit coming aswell?

[turbid osprey]

Yea the ti'ru line (rev/shock)

[worn tree]

I hope they rework revenant...

Many changes are needed for decent balance 👍🏻

[fervent crescent]

Hey, is there any way to tell if you've played 15 games in a week, like a history?

[turbid osprey]

Mannual tracking is the way. Otherwise you can look your history on illuvialmaster but it doesnt track 100% properly

Btw rewards are paused in case you didnt know, so no reason to play 15 games minimum at the moment

[fervent crescent]

Ok ty for answer

[tight flume]

And when will the prize draws resume and where to track it?

[twilit storm]

https://tenor.com/view/please-baby-cute-eye-roll-whatever-gif-81023227985965267

[turbid osprey]

Just track yourself manually, its the only reliable option we have now

[vernal forum]

How does this Rhamphyre have 300 OP? Am I missing something or did I find a bug?

[eager portal]

What about the resumption of the arena rewards system for the arena in our country?

[zenith mortar]

We don't have a date for when they will resume

[edgy bough]

so keen for some more shock ⚡

[ivory rune]

any word on when the new Illuvials will be released in the arena?

[light thistle]

i want the same

[hot pond]

I never understood why the trait is giving shields to allies too. Should be only on rev units themselves. Vanguard also just shields itself 🤷

[worn tree]

Dont forget that revenant is an empath composite. All empaths are supposed to be "empathic" and assist allies. So it does makes sense that they shield allies. Just maybe not ALL allies in range, but shield itself and nearest ally. And instead of shielding on kill, shielding on crit.

Then rework vanguard to make the composites different. Vanguard could get temporary and stackable damage reduction on crit.

[pastel estuary]

#📣〕announcements message prank?

[vivid stirrup]

pretty sure this was for real 😛 but we wont get them emotes until after OB is my guess

[oak horizon]

The best things in the world are between clumsiness and perfectionism. Perfectionism is what has prevented our Illuvium project from coming out on time. The web space has been filled with projects with the same or higher quality than illuvium that will undoubtedly do a lot of damage to the competition. The high quality of the graphics is not synonymous with the quality of the project. Another reason for the delay has been wanting to release the three projects together, believing that this would make more people play. If Illivium Zero was finished designing a year ago and we all tested it during the summer and fall of last year, why are we waiting? Why haven't they issued a second batch of NFTs since January? The other aspect is the stinginess of illuvium, there are a lot of projects that give away tokens and NFTs to whoever tries the project. Despite having paid for the NFTs two years in advance I only got to enjoy a devalued 15 NFTs and some $ vouchers. We will be given an option restricted to a limited number of players, it seems that they do not want to let them all play in case those selected are disappointed, there are future candidates to play in the reserve. The problem with illuvium is perfectionism, they want to be so perfect that later the servers won't provide all the bandwidth they will require and not everyone will be able to play because they don't have a computer with a great graphics card . Also I've been having issues with lying NFTs and had to replay Illuvium 0 to regain the progress that was lost. I mean they make us test the game to report issues and then they don't have the infrastructure to manage and fix those issues. All projects have hidden disappointments and Illuvium will not be an exception. My approach was that versions of the game would be released and any bugs that appeared would be repaired. Cowardly Perfectionists vs. Courageous Realists.

[worn tree]

Pretty sure this is not the best channel for this debate brother.

[silver merlin]

#🎮〕illuvium-zero

[vernal forum]

I can't find the downvote button, can anyone help me?

[gritty wren]

next christmas

[oak horizon]

If we think this is a marketing channel, then we can only say nice things. And that is why we arrive at the current situation, all without speaking critically from day one.

[pastel estuary]

that is optimistic. team can't even meet deadline on emotes for 3.5 months.

[worn tree]

Hmmm, not talking about the sentiment of the message, talking about the content you are alluding to. There are far more suitable channels for that. This is arena specific. If you want to get read, I suggest you write it on the right channel. Ask for mod help if you feel lost.

[vernal forum]

Still a lot of time left before reset - can you beat this run?

[worn tree]

Don't test me

[vernal forum]

Why not? I like the competition.

[worn tree]

Hahahahahahahahah

I don't have time 😭 But once game gets back to competitive, we will fight on the battlefields of justice!!!!

[vernal forum]

true - I'll be back for PB4 with 9,999 other lucky souls. 5 days til register.

[worn tree]

MY MAN

[silver merlin]

9998, they said under 10000

[lime cloak]

Almost
Just one run though 😁

[vast kayak]

I will give a try 🤣

[arctic pumice]

Got back to top 100 in arena again. Considering lack of activity because of stopped rewards, maybe top 10 even

[devout hull]

that sooo greaat

[vernal forum]

Excellent first run! 🎖️

[rancid raptor]

wait is survival mode not updated like arena?

i mean like pvp

[turbid osprey]

No its not

[rancid raptor]

why?

[turbid osprey]

Not ready yet, they pushed the new mode out extremely fast so we could test it out asap

[worldly jolt]

Survival mode is also a different mode that’s more intended to be a practice for overworld

At least that’s my understanding

[chilly relic]

the reward paused ? when become active?

[worldly jolt]

Probably getting things ready for the beta stuff

[chilly relic]

okey thanks

[rancid raptor]

I think armour should determine the rangers affinity, and weapons determine the class.

[limpid harbor]

Hi guys. Sorry for this question, but when weekly snapshot on leaderboard?

[west quartz]

no more snapshot right now

[thick estuary]

So ranger when become composite class, loss weapon perk dominance. Is it how it should work? Unfortunately i can't pin screenshots here

For example ranger with bulwark weapon become aegis, still counts as bulwark but doesn't receive full class perk

[silver merlin]

It also depends which illuvial you bond too

[alpine dagger]

Is link for registration open ?

[split egret]

I think after 15 April

[silver merlin]

Why can't people read

[cyan olive]

Ranger weapon is the dominant one, which also gives the other Boni.

[worn tree]

I would like to raise a point about phantom and its balance. I know the team was not interested on balance, but since I already gave all my feedback on relevant topics, here it goes.. (and it actually is SCC related, so it might still be relevant for the GD team).

Since the SCC was enabled, going 6 rogue is extremely beneficial for all rogue composites as they all depend on crit chance. So getting 100% crit chance and massive crit augmentation is extremely easy and synergyzes so well. This is why rogues are thriving in this broken meta. And while revenant is a badly designed composite that proves very strong right now (I made my point on this multiple times before), phantom is the composite which alarms me the most in terms of game design scalability if the SCC system is here to stay.

With the SCC right now, phantom gets 100% crit chance so easily and this makes that all omegas can crit and that on every autoattack or omega crit, the units gains even more OP. This is an overwhelmingly strong spiral of scaling OP and damage output during the round that makes rha and phantom ranger ridiculously strong throughout the entire fight.

Phantom is the reason why there is literally no counter to rha / rogue mechanics in the current state of the game.

Phantom damage is so ridiculous that outscales a team with 2 verdant/2 templar/3 colossus / 5 bulwark/3 empath /2 mystic. Meaning that the damage input from rha omega gets so high that it oneshots 200 resist units at full hp. This is just nuts.

[worn tree]

Rha consistently gets to at least 160 OP each round with phantom, usually by mid round he already reaches this OP levels.

Let's do some quick maths. 725 * OP omega damage with 195% crit amp. This means that rha is doing 1.60 * 725 * 2.95 energy damage. This equals to a 3422 energy damage cast damaging enemies within a 35hex radious around him. In most cases, this is instant death to all enemies in the area.

Fun fact, if you invest all your resources to kill rha, you will most likely fail. So he will cast regardless on your face and shatter all your dreams and hopes.

You will most likely fail to kill him before he casts because the energy constant allows him to get a lot of energy from damage input. He casts way too easily.

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-13328536801332105713

[scarlet spindle]

Yeah you end up killing their entire team but one, and are left with 7 nearly full health units and their only survivor is a lone Rhamphyre.. and BOOM your whole team is one shotted. Outplaying someone that hard and still losing to a one shot is.. well I think it's Kieran's doing. He is trying to have us smash our keyboards so he can sell more of his branded easy-break keyboard line. Am i right? 🤣

[worn tree]

Masterplan thatd be. 🤣🤣

[cyan olive]

I am happy the focus seems to be on testnet patch and not fanservice for current testers.

[fallen vortex]

I disagree he's OP, cause missing is equally as easy. But I agree he gains energy way too fast

Now Revenant shields, they r dumb asf

[ocean junco]

Arena rewards up yet?

[rancid raptor]

This

[worldly jolt]

No

[worn tree]

Revenant shields are dumb, I agree with you and I have presented my proposal to change this.

However, your reasoning behind saying phantom & rha are not OP dont make much sense to me. Rha has never been weak, it excelled in certain situations, as I believe it is meant to be. For some reason, the team though that it wasnt enough for rha to be super effective vs squishy targets, so they reworked inferno to enable him melting tanks. Since then rha buffs have been non-stop:

-Inferno composite.
-Energy constant change (main issue).
-Omega damage increase.
-SCC (big issue).

If after this changes and being brought in 100% of the competitive teams, you think it's not OP. Welp, I don't know what you consider OP anymore 😅

[devout hull]

Let's learn about this Beginner Composition. Illuvidata Training Camp Day 2 with @vivid stirrup
Go and Watch the live here #🎨〕community-content

[velvet dome]

when would we have the patch notes for PB4

[cyan olive]

We don´t know a date, sometimes we were given patchnotes few days in advance, sometimes at release.

[vivid stirrup]

https://twitter.com/illuvination/status/1778759761258860812

illuvination ♊️ Phantom 🥷 (@illuvination) on X

Should we continue with our weekly @illuviumio Arena Tournaments?

Check the Timeslot that suits you the best for tomorrow! If we get enough votes we gonna keep going!

Twitter · Apr 12, 2024, 12:19 PM

[edgy flower]

wen ppl start to play PVE instead of PVP there is something wrong. we need patch with decent balance!

[turbid osprey]

Survival is actually fun from time to time! Havent played the games in 2 week but seeing friend post survival ss made me do a run today

[turbid osprey]

You should try, you might even get to play your fliishes 😝

[round bloom]

hi guys ı am new how can ı get access to play the game of arena ?

[dense helm]

Hey folks, I think @zenith mortar posted about this, but the final set of Arena rewards were delayed due to my absent-mindedness. I was up in Sydney without my PC on a holiday/working-holiday and didn't process the arena rewards before I left, mistakenly thinking they were already done.

I'm doing them now, and will send to team for review and payment shortly. Expect they will be delivered in a couple of days.

Sorry again about the delay.

[neat walrus]

I think there are too many Illuvials jumping into the opponent's back line.
How about only Illuvials who has rogue dominant synaergy jumps into the opponent's back line

[worldly jolt]

Arena can be downloaded and played by anyone with a Mac or PC. It’s on the epic game store.

[round bloom]

I downloaded and registered but i cant enter the game. Need Any access can i get ? Or something else ?

[worldly jolt]

Do you have an account? https://illuvium.io/

You need an illuvium account to log into the game.

[worldly jolt]

And you use the epic games launcher to start the game.

[round bloom]

yes ı did these things but ı cant login

[worldly jolt]

Are you signing in using your email address? You should be able to

I’m not sure how to address an account issue. Support could help.

Support does not work through discord.

Contact #❓❓〕support through the website shared in the #❓❓〕support channel. Or look for HELP(?) in the top menu of the illuvium website.

[tribal glade]

Everyone please share your best Arena teams with @safe stirrup

[safe stirrup]

This is abuse

[tribal glade]

Please ping him and tag him as much as possible with teams and I'll reward the person to makes him lose his mind with all the pings and tags

[granite osprey]

how much?

[cyan olive]

Ok Boss, will get some ai bot

[cursive echo]

9ilv 👀

[silver merlin]

what is this?

[cursive echo]

A crypto game on mobile air drop soon $bubble

[winter marlin]

Is there cheating? There is no action after the countdown ends. I need to press alt+f4 to reconnect quickly. It happened several times.

[pliant cape]

does anybody know when there is reward for 9th week?

[light thistle]

rewards are UP?4

[edgy bough]

Is it fun?

[turbid osprey]

No rewards are paused

[cyan olive]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[amber spindle]

i feel like toxic should ramp up over time, even with 4 barely does anything to comps with like any regen

[cursive echo]

Yes it is OK

[slim moon]

Hey, everybody, did anyone calculate an exact formula for energy from incoming and outgoing damage?

[quasi belfry]

@round bloom

[round bloom]

Yeah

[cyan olive]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message this is for damage taken

by auto attacks it is 10 energy/sec for every illuvials assuming no atk speed buffs

[lime idol]

Hi. Can you tell me where to see the leaderboard

[cyan olive]

https://arena.illuvium.io/leaderboard?activeTab=ascendant

[lime idol]

How do I know the leaderboard rewards?

[cyan olive]

there are no rewards atm

[lime idol]

Okay. Thanks for the answers.

[cyan olive]

your welcome, best earn oppurtunity is to sign up for testnet on the 15th and then play there to farm airdrop

[vernal forum]

Welcome to the calm before the storm. First time I've seen such a long gap in messages in arena chat. ~2 weeks to testnet. I am so f'ing ready for this. Been training like rocky.

[turbid osprey]

I hope they have time to balance the new mode in time for testnet so we can also have rewards back

[vernal forum]

👍 balance would be most welcome.🙏

[fallen vortex]

who needs balance. Imbalance is the way of the modern game

IIP to ban balance patches?

[rain jay]

Would anyone happen to know how i might get access to post on the "Feedback-ideas" in the discussion section? I have an iip & iccp idea I would like to get to the Governance-ideas stage. im still a discord noob tho and idk how to even get my rank past 0 lol....The idea is for Game/Arena camera movement, rotation, zoom features. basically if during the Rounds you could move the camera anyware on the board would be extra grovy then it could reset after the Arena Round : ] kinda like how in Unreal engine 5 when makeing a map or game you can control the camera with W,A,S,D and zoom scroll and up down that would be cool. Maby center the camera on the center of the arena board and be able to rotate to either side of the board. If you know how i can get access to the Feedback-ideas disscussion tho please kindly let me know. I have lots of ideas lol Thanks anyone in the future

[vernal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/read-the-room-read-the-room-dude-julie-molina-julie-jatp-jatp-julie-gif-22825695

[grand bluff]

Is testnet registration up?

[fallen vortex]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

@vernal forum should I make an IIP to fix hyper and the entire balance of the game?

U make the hyper range only a few hexes and the game is auto fixed

If u r desperate u can make the psions have a bigger hyper range

[zenith mortar]

Not quite

[zenith mist]

definitely feels like the calm before the storm, exciting times ahead 🔥

[zenith mortar]

It really feels different on chain.

[grand bluff]

Okay thanks for the info. I think there'll be an announcement when it's open?

[zenith mortar]

Yup

[vernal forum]

I am content to wait and see what May 1st brings. Very excited!

[slim moon]

I've been playing Arena all night waiting for the submission announcement. Now I won't fall asleep until I wait)))))

[hoary mason]

[rancid raptor]

is there an arena match history of some sort?

[slim moon]

illuvialmaster has a section in the arena called "Match History."

[rancid raptor]

thanks

i think i might have built a meta comp 😅

[uneven orchid]

@slim moon well done

[verbal hull]

Это на какой деки 🫣

[pliant cape]

any idea where to register to open beta, folks?

[twilit storm]

21:00 UTC @pliant cape a magic link will appears

[rain nacelle]

i am looking for that too

[silver merlin]

Read the message above you...

[rain nacelle]

the one about a magic link?

[silver merlin]

No the one about the unicorn

[rain nacelle]

oh good i was wondering when we go to a billion

[unreal hearth]

hi guys, do we still have weekly awards in arena mode?

[turbid osprey]

No they are paused. We dont know when they will resume

[west quartz]

This already exists

You can move camera as much as you want

Zoom in zoom out

And press space bar to reset camera

Or did I misunderstand what you meant ?

[safe stirrup]

whats the current metas

[worn tree]

Rha / rogue

Same as last month and a half

No consistent counterplay

[lean stratus]

😭😭😭

[fringe geyser]

Hi any news on link to early testers?

[worn tree]

In 62'

[languid sparrow]

You can register to Private Beta 4 here: #🎨〕community-content message

[serene lance]

Registered 💯

[near skiff]

hey freinds

is there a place we can see stats for total current players, how many are online, leaderboards etc?

[twilit storm]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-man-jake-gyllenhaal-nope-no-gif-5500150

@near skiff

[slim moon]

Guys hello. I correctly understood that the awards arena will return only after Air drope, and this is somewhere in 6 months?

[shell citrus]

1

[languid sparrow]

Yes, have more info here: #🎨〕community-content message

[slim moon]

F arena(((

[languid sparrow]

?

[slim moon]

@languid sparrow Now nobody plays, you have to wait 7-20 minutes and play with the newcomer for +0. I thought that if they said that in June will return rewards then people will come back and have someone to play with)

[languid sparrow]

Hoo i see

[west plume]

Gives me 6 months to get back into the 1500🥳

[zenith mortar]

NGMI

[west plume]

IWMI

[dark scaffold]

CLOGMIFS

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/u-wot-m8-gif-20998179

[west plume]

Chief leak officer going make it frisbee sauce

Nailed it

[minor pilot]

yea

[turbid osprey]

Where did you hear rewards are stopping?

[slim moon]

Rewards in the arena stopped 2 weeks ago

[turbid osprey]

Yea but they are intended to comeback as soon as the new mode is balanced and stable. At least this is what was/is planned

Airdrop doesnt have anything to do with this

[slim moon]

This morning on Town Hall they said they won't resume until after all the Air Drope.

[turbid osprey]

Wow no way, can anyone confirm?

Ill listened to the recording when its available

Whats the reason?

[vivid stirrup]

kieran said it's gonna resume once the game is in a very good competitive state.

i think it makes sense for them. they incentivise playing already with the airdrop, no need to do it double

he said there might be an overlap with airdrop and leaderboard rewards

im guessing a month after launch

[turbid osprey]

I think it doesnt make sense personally. What will also make it competitive is if theres incentives to be good at the game

Arena competitive (we need tournaments or leaderboard for that to be) = more utility for illuvials so good overworld and good illuvium zero

We were said a couple weeks because new mode was a very early version unbalanced and it was ok. We then all stopped to play and are waiting for PB4/ OB but we will need the rewards back to make the ecosystem work as intended. Competitive arena is the foundation

[vivid stirrup]

i think the eco system works without leaderboard rewards. people are gonna be playing arena to earn airdrop points and to be top in the leaderboard for bragging rights. i would love for illuvium sponsored tournaments to be picked up again, hope that comes with pb4

[bronze spire]

would be cool if they had some type of boarder or skin rewards for end of season or something, if rewards arent turned back on

[silver merlin]

People might not play as much if there isn't a quest or leaderboard to grind for. Also might play less overworld since they don't need good decks anymore

[bronze spire]

my understanding was he said atleast before end of open beta, testing is balanced and/or player base increases to justify it

[vivid stirrup]

there is the airdrop to be grinded for tho

[silver merlin]

No info how that works afaik

[vivid stirrup]

pretty sure they confirmed in the blog posts etc that by playing the games you earn airdrop points

[bronze spire]

true maybe higher rank = more airdrop points

[silver merlin]

If its a set amount of games then it's probably same.

[bronze spire]

on top of game time played ect

[silver merlin]

That would be cool

[hot pond]

So this means starting on 30th april we will only be able to use the illuvials that we caught for arena?

[vernal forum]

I believe so, but we might be able to purchase some immediately using the fake eth we're given - also I believe the intention is to give a small amount of rotating Illuvials that everyone can use for free. So, we'll be able to put together solid teams from day 1. This is all just my speculation and I would love for anyone with more info to chime in.

[vivid stirrup]

yes! the pb4 experience is supposed to mimic the open beta launch experience i believe ^^

[hot pond]

So it will be the race to get the first vermilliare and gyro? haha

[vernal forum]

lol, I honestly don't think so. The race will be to put together the best team you can with the illuvials you find/buy and are given for free. Even with no changes to balance (and I believe they will start us out with a new balance based on no info whatsoever haha) I think my strongest early team will just depend on either what I get early on or what is given to us initially and my first catches will aim to be support for that. Because, initially we won't have caught any T3s, so if the team gives us just 1 T3 - that will be meta. I thiink.

[uncut comet]

how i saw in the trailer the missing illuvials where in there so meta will prob shift + new patch prob

[hot pond]

Hope so, because freakin gyro is only T1 so should be pretty easy to get. And vermi as T3 might also come relatively quick. Other than that the team consists of T0 volantes mostly 😄

[uncut comet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791148476218081321/1002679533016719420/5a6bb11a-51fa-45a1-ab55-c9e830452758.gif

[hot pond]

This also means we can only have access to the illuvials that originally spawn in the 3 available regions? So you cannot get a jotun if he's most likely from taiga?

[uncut comet]

never though about that but would make sense

but also kinda weird for playing then with missing syngergies

[hot pond]

Yep. Even if they add the new illuvials, like 50% of the pool would be cut off due to regions missing

[uncut comet]

maybe all illuvials can still be found in the 3 regions cause i remember when i played overworld i sometimes saw illuvials in a region which i wouldnt expect there

[hot pond]

That was my second thought there. Maybe you can find all illuvials everywhere, just with different spawn chances

[vivid stirrup]

i think all illuvials can spawn in all areas, just its a higher chance for earth and fire illuvials to show up in crimson waste for example.

[proven ember]

Hear you all, right now the team is split between PB4 and getting a POC for Gaunlet spun up

So Ascendants on slow mode atm

[hot pond]

Thank you for the feedback

[elder ore]

What is Gauntlet?

[silver merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gauntlet-infinity-gauntlet-marvel-eternal-gif-14113684

[kind wren]

Sounds like the LoL style game mode that's been talked about where you bring multiple decks to the tournament, possibly you and your opponent can ban one of each other's decks? Not keen on the details

[steep linden]

Will Arena 1v1 always be a game mode option?

[worn tree]

That's unnacurate. They said they plan on restaring them once the game is in good competitive state. They said this can happen before airdrop period ends.

However, I agree with patate that ranked rewards actually incentivise players to become competitive. All the playerbase needs is proper balance to make the experience remotely competitive and fun. Pretty sure we don't need 4+ months for that.

But hey, it is what it is, and they don't have any obligation to reactivate ranked rewards. I just hoped the reasoning made more sense to me, that's all.

[worn tree]

Always is a strong word, but they don't plan on removing it any time soon. They spoke of 1v1 and 8P modes for all types of arena, either casual, leviathan or ranked.

gn8 fellas ❤️

[serene lance]

Keen for ranked 8 player mode 💯

[edgy flower]

if i dont have any plots for zero, can i now go and learn at least basic mechanics on some free plots be4 pb4?

[silver merlin]

First of all wrong channel you need #🎮〕illuvium-zero and no only landholders can play ilv zero at the moment

You can however play the arena autobattler game if you download it from the epic games launcher

[lilac grail]

atm you need plot to try. but you can use the pre-open beta as a way to learn mechanics. I think that lot will change between the version we got now and the one during the next phase. not sure you loose a lot of info.

[cyan olive]

I will make videos on this for sure.

[lost wyvern]

N3pit it's a boot? what is the mane of the boot?

[twilit storm]

bot ser..bot

[green helm]

Have you already paid for the remaining week?

[turbid osprey]

Yes everything is paid out now

[silver merlin]

We got the last week? Or is this about something else?

[turbid osprey]

Yea we got the last week

[silver merlin]

Where can I see the list?

[turbid osprey]

Didnt post on discord yet

But payment should be there if you check

[silver merlin]

Yeah I got it

[scarlet spindle]

You might check Polemos, they may have some lands available for scholarship use? I haven't kept up with it though so I don't have any details currently.

forge (dot) polemos (dot) io (slash) scholarships

[rancid raptor]

do we get a maximum of 3 ascend tokens at once? meaning if i don't spend them i dont get extra next round

[silver merlin]

You get 2 each round with a cap of 3 yeah

[bold eagle]

hi guys

[rancid raptor]

no leaderboard rewards at the moment right?}

[turbid osprey]

No

[strange crag]

Gn

I have a problem registering my account, can anyone help me?

[zenith mortar]

Whats the problem

[surreal silo]

Guys trying to learn arena. Any guides that are ez to undertand?

[rain nacelle]

do the tutorial and then practicing in survival is actually really helpful in deck building and playout

[surreal silo]

Right now we can use any illuvials but when open beta comes out we need to catch or buy?

[worldly jolt]

Yes and no. There will be some free to play modes too where you don’t need to have the illuvials on your account to be able use them. But there will also game modes where you would need to own them and have them on your account.

[surreal silo]

thanks Pelican!

are illuvials now available in the marketplace? or we need to wait until someone catches them?

[worldly jolt]

No not now. We will need to wait until someone catches them. And that won’t be until like late June. Unless we are talking about the testnet version which should go live April 28.

[limpid harbor]

was snapshot?

[lilac grail]

no more snapshot

[mortal notch]

How will the Gauntlet mode motivate players to buy/catch illuvilals?🤔 In other words, is it good for revdis at all? I can imagine how players would spend hours in the Gauntlet with free illuvials, not spending a cent

[twilit storm]

good point ser

[mortal notch]

I hope the team wants to make money as well as make catchy games, so they have a solution😀

Like may be if you use all free, you can play only x runs a day, and every illuvial you own in the set will give you more runs, something like that🤔

or if you have spent your free runs, you can buy them, not having your own illuvials...

[turbid osprey]

Free illuvials is going to be bad so if someone wants to win and have a chance for rewards hes gonna want to buy/catch his own teams

[mortal notch]

or that, there are many ways to monetize a good game🤑

[turbid osprey]

Things for free are just to reduce the barrier of entry but in any of our games if someone truly wants to live the full experience of be good hes going to have to pay

Either for a land, paid runs or for his illluvials depending what game we think about

[worldly jolt]

It sounds to me like owned illuvials will have some obviously better looking cosmetics in gauntlet mode.

[mortal notch]

yeah, one more way to monetize

[turbid osprey]

I actually answered without the context but i now understand this question came from a tweet of kieran mentionning the 8 player mode wont require nfts

Does that mean its intended to be casual and the competitive mode where all the money goes is our current 1v1 mode?

[mortal notch]

It is definitely intended to be more casual, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't generate rev🤑

[odd crane]

can i make money with iiluvium arena

[worldly jolt]

Yes. Just not at the moment. Players have in the past and will again starting on April 30 (playing for airdrop)

[turbid osprey]

No of course but i mean if the competitive mode doesnt require illuvials the ecosystem doesnt make sense

Overworld and zero

[mortal notch]

I suppose it's may be the best way, the more i think about it. It is inclusive, so no criticism here that this game is for whales, everyone can play, but at the same time the innate desire to look better and swagger will motivate people to build their own teams🤔 But it needs more work, every illuvial will need to have a downgraded free version as well as beautiful owned one.

[faint plinth]

Yoo!

I've been playing ilv arena for about 3 months or so, if I register via the illuvium link will I have a better chance of entering the closed beta?

[olive hedge]

Yes just use the same email

[faint plinth]

Oh that really cool

Cause as ilv is still in a state of development we are the testers and I think it would be really cool to gain access to the closed beta or at least have more chances of winning, as you are "helping with the development", but that's just my opinion

[worldly jolt]

That is the idea

[vague karma]

1.8M$ for testing

that's more than a month of the illuvium labs operations

[obsidian hull]

It is more than just testing though. It is hype building and a crazy good incentive to join the ecosystem. It's like a stimulus package for gamers with the hopes of seeing a return.

It's way better than dumping funds straight to influencers to make their 10,000th hype video.

[hot pond]

Instead of paying for marketing campaigns as well

[timid coral]

Is it allowed to register more than one account?

Because I played arena mode with a main account and had 2 secondary accounts. Would it be allowed to register secondary account as well? Even though I played, I'm not sure I'll be eligible to participate in the beta.

[zenith mortar]

Yea

[fallen vortex]

😮

A lot of people r here because of hype videos, but I am sorry they aren't good enough

🤣

[uncut comet]

wait what its allowed to register with more than one account why dont say earlier xD

[serene lance]

Rich, i’ve only applied with my one account, didn’t use any influencer link either just raw dogged it with same email as ilv account. As someone that’s been around forever and put hours into all the tests should i pretty much be fine with getting in?

[vivid stirrup]

nothing is guranteed! better safe than sorry

[fierce abyss]

Why would using an influencer link when registering give you a better chance at getting selected?

[raven obsidian]

Because the influencer referral links have 'x' ammount of giveaway spots available as prizes

[fierce abyss]

Interesting, so people who have logged 0 hours have a chance of getting in?

[raven obsidian]

Yes

I believe its to get a wide variety of people playing to get broad feedback

[fierce abyss]

Wow thats going to piss a lot of people off!

[fair hemlock]

Just make 100 accounts and you'll have a better chance of getting in. 😉

Not officially the best way to go though hahaha i just enjoy giving that less than optimal advice.

[fierce abyss]

People out there logging hundreds of hours before the P2E airdrop kicks in, only to get jumped by someone who's clicked a link on some youtube video.

I don't expect to get in as there is only 10000 spots but if I've owned land since the auction, maxed it out and played plenty of arena to be overlooked by some free spots handed out. Just won't be feeling the love from the team as we finally launch!

[fair hemlock]

You probably will get in. Let's not blow this out of proportions haha

But, if you dont, then you will be able to watch the influencers stream! You can feel the love through their shared screens :]

[fierce abyss]

Yeah will just wait and see what happens at the end of the month.

[supple epoch]

Had arena crash out it had 404 code . i had 2 of same augments tried to use both in same match .

I had to alt control delete to recover my desktop

[lean ivy]

I would be suprised if you didn't get in. I'm sure anyone who has over 100 hours will make it in. I can only imagine there are a couple thousand of us.

[sour sparrow]

how do u earn in this game

[lilac grail]

what is safe ? create 10 account and apply with all on different referee ?. i mean ...

[fair hemlock]

10000!!

[lilac grail]

man, i'm dumb you are right ! better safe than sorry

[obsidian hull]

Dude you have been promoting illuvium and putting out theory crafting videos even when there was 0 hype. Your vids are a resource homie. I meant influencers that promote 500 different projects and coins. IMO they are just a waste of $$$ for projects that pay them.

[noble hinge]

Well, this is good to know. If my Arena/OW/Illuvitar account on my own merit won't get me in maybe my Zero account with my land with an influencer will. BUT if I were to get in with both wouldn't hat take away a spot from someone else? I'd feel bad about that. Or is there a way you guys link them behind scenes so that doesn't happen? I don't exactly hide it - Torial and TorialLand. Not saying either would get in of course.

[mortal notch]

Get high in the leaderboard and get rewards for it in Illuvium Arena. Take part in private and public testing and get airdrop for that (coming soon). Stake ILV token and get farming rewards (will end soon, should come 2 years ago for this), and when the ecosystem starts on the real Ethereum blockchain - get revenue distributions. When the ecosystem starts, get NFTs by playing games and then sell them on the market, develop your land plots in Illuvium Zero, mine fuels and sell them on the market.

[sour sparrow]

U have to be in top what on the leaderboard to earn? Like 100, 1000?

[mortal notch]

Not sure, sorry🤗 I suppose there was an article describing the rules.

[vivid stirrup]

top1000

but currently the arena rewards are halted until the game is in a good competitive state

[sour sparrow]

Ohh okay thank you to both of u 🙂👍

[velvet dome]

is the tick freeze and must-restart thing my net connection problem or the server problem, or both? It's like every 3~5 games

[vivid stirrup]

i think it's your connection. current built requires a pretty stable internet

[half hare]

How do I get my own promotional links?

[scarlet spindle]

I wouldn't say better, since ecosystem interaction is the main criteria, but if you are new and have no history, it would be better because influencer selections are randomly picked.

[raven obsidian]

will this be enough to get me in to PB4? 🫣 🙏

[mortal notch]

Hmm, interesting, will linking eth addresses with a history of staking ILV and with bought land plots and illuvitars to a Passport acc registered for the PB help to have higher chances the acc to be selected for the PB?🤔

[worldly jolt]

You don’t. It’s only for a small number of content creators that have been working with illuvium for awhile already.

[worldly jolt]

How would you even link the wallets together?

It’s mostly gameplay and feedback history they’ll be looking at for early beta access. Which is tied to your illuvium account email and not really the wallet address.

[mortal notch]

there is a function in the Passport acc to link eth addresses...

[worldly jolt]

That’s true

[worn tree]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

Trust me, I am a doctor.

[granite osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-score-bruno-mars-10-ten-number-ten-gif-16059275365109012830

[fallen vortex]

Oh yeah the ones that jump from project to project over and over again are a bit of a plague. But I still hope they all kind of segregate around a handful of key studios

[supple epoch]

@raven obsidian how do you check time ?

[grand bluff]

Wen pb4?

[grand bluff]

Thanks!

[raven obsidian]

On the epic games launcher under the game tab settings for illuvium 👍

[cloud flax]

😉

[crisp plank]

where can i find players decks to import and play

[bronze spire]

usually youtubers. I have some in my latest live on youtube, in the descriptions

[arctic pumice]

Wonder where that puts me among most active players.

[silver merlin]

Its not only arena they look at

[silver merlin]

#🎨〕community-content

[west quartz]

what's a POC for gaunlet spun up please ?

[mortal notch]

POC is proof of concept, spun up means made real or something like that

[west quartz]

what about gaunlet ? xD

[mortal notch]

a new casual mode for Illuvium Arena, with 8 players, similar to TFT🤓

There is an idea that current modes are too complicated and niche, and a more casual mode is needed, for mass adoption

[west quartz]

ty 🙂

[junior grotto]

hey game is stuck, round won't start, last fight lol

[olive hedge]

its a bug

[junior grotto]

correct

or lag or something

[junior grotto]

kinda reminds me of vain glory, nice atmos

[junior grotto]

people will play if they can fuking login and connect a wallet LOL, nobody cares how complicated the game is, they care about how easy it is to get from not having a game on their computer to playing it and having it linked to shit seamlessly

also there's no clear info on if element types effect each other, in arena, it just throws you in and says good luck figuring it out. the tutorial shows you how to click on a page.

also once linking a hero to a monsta, how do you change that and what does it actually do and why does it change affinities so much

also why does something have an arrow down in red on affinities but then you do it and the affinities don't decrease

a game should make sense just by playing it tbh

[supple epoch]

@junior grotto give it time its coming together Good things take time, as they should. We shouldn’t expect good things to happen overnight. Actually, getting something too easily or too soon can cheapen the outcome.

[junior grotto]

they should pay the crypto dev team not just the game designers then it might make more sense, also a front end dev on many fronts

frozen again. 0 timer, nothing happening

[worn tree]

Not very high, not very low 👌🏻

[orchid granite]

that's cool

[orchid granite]

i got the same right now.. T_T

no other choice but to leave the game

[mortal notch]

Sure thing descriptions and login and UX in general should be better (tutorial is good btw, explains a lot). But a lot of people say that current modes are hard, especially team building. So, apparently, these 1x1 modes will be niche, for people who like to strategize a lot. But devs want to make the game for millions, and I, as an investor, agree with them🤑 . And for this there must be more accessible and casual modes😉

[vapid fox]

I think I encountered a cheat in the game. I set up my lineup, but it automatically changed at the start of the battle, causing me to lose in the arena. It was a terrible experience, and I've never seen anything like it before.

[worldly jolt]

Press B in game to report the bug

[junior grotto]

it isn't a cheat it happens to me very often the game goes out of sync and lags and basically disconnects

[junior grotto]

the hardest thing about team building is it isn't in game. but yeah if i could just change the elemental nature of equipment and same kind mons just by clicking on them not having to search through for the identical item again would be groot

[earnest peak]

when are the emotes supposed to be awarded for playing so many arena games earlier this year?

[velvet dome]

How likely is it that the team could fix the connection/sync related bugs in next few patches

[scarlet spindle]

I would imagine that a fair amount of the issues we've presented since the last update have had work done on them, but it takes such resources to properly test before pushing an update that they have just put that stuff to the side until the PB4 update goes live. They do hear us and fix things though.

[supple epoch]

@earnest peak open beta ..

[pine verge]

yo

I havent played in a while, are the rewards back?

[silver merlin]

no

[low comet]

Are rewards back? I think I got rewards for the 9th time hahahahhah

[zenith mortar]

It was the final distritbution

[low comet]

i thought it would end at 8th week so i tried testing non meta teams

[silver merlin]

The dates were clearly stated at the time but the rewards that we got is already from a few weeks ago

[lost wyvern]

server it's busy i think, the fight didn't start

[velvet dome]

Setting a proper reward for bug reporting during PB4 would be fantastic.

[velvet dome]

I restarted the game literally every round in my last game

[velvet dome]

With this suggestion, I will report every bug I encounter during the public beta

[silver merlin]

Or you do it now so you get selected

[cyan olive]

people reporting bugs might have a better chance of getting in, would make sense

[fervent crescent]

Rewards are back ?

[vivid stirrup]

not until the game is in a good competitive state i believe

[fervent crescent]

Ok ty

[junior grotto]

lol I lost to someone, and lost 30 points, matched with them right after, won and got 15 back

[junior grotto]

your gpu is bad apparently 😉 this why

[safe valve]

Thats the Way it is, if you are ranked higher than your opponent

[junior grotto]

well they were ranked higher than me

but after the second match they weren't because they lost 43 points 😂 (during it they were higher due to the previous loss)

they should just make it so the points someone else loses someone else gains so its actually an accounting system that makes sense

[scarlet spindle]

Yeah they said we will be getting "points" for doing the things. Playtime, bug reports, etc. In the end airdrop, the more points you have, the more airdrop you get.

I would think maybe a point or two for reporting (so people can't just send a million and clog up the system) and maybe a lot of points if your report actually helped fix something?

[safe valve]

If i'm not wrong it's an mmr System used in many other games

[junior grotto]

lol guy i was fighting just lost 51 and i gained 15

thas broken

enjoy trying to win 3 in a row after that loss buddy

[silver merlin]

Skill issue

[junior grotto]

finally a normal one

no idea why the system does what it wants

[light thistle]

no rewards still?

[placid portal]

Dang your fairy 3 games me bhooordy

[junior grotto]

RIP this guy

[junior grotto]

oh hi! good games

[placid portal]

what to do when suddenly got stuck?

[placid portal]

Bro your good at positioning

[junior grotto]

ty!

i put the big floppy fish in your way haha

Ebb

[placid portal]

that floppy fish is annoying and so tanky

[placid portal]

is it true 5% drop on arena?

[junior grotto]

rekt

[junior grotto]

what is pure dmg btw?

[fair hemlock]

damage that doesn't get affected by physical or elemental resistance or grit and resolve.

Basically it's true damage. pure as in, it's pure HP points in damage. 1200 hp -> 60 pure damage -> 1140 hp left.

[junior grotto]

thanks fam

[placid portal]

Good game @junior grotto

[placid portal]

Good game jump06

[lean mortar]

i

[supple epoch]

It seems any time i play this one player i have tech problems with loading the page in between matches or get dropout ?

could someone manipulate the system to take wins

[proven ember]

I don't believe so but please enter their name and we'll investigate.

[supple epoch]

I can send it in privt so not to out any one if no probls

[split egret]

Do you guys know how many arena players are there ?( just curious)🙂

[olive hedge]

they haven't shared any numbers in awhile, some assume less than 1000

I stopped playing after putting in 100+ hours

waiting for PB4 now

[split egret]

Bro fr that's way too low 💀

[olive hedge]

only the team really knows the number

[lean stratus]

same because the current meta with rhamph rev exodia augments and stuff as well

[zenith mist]

Arena active users will flood back once pb4 starts. Balance changes will refresh the meta, tournaments, ladder rewards/airdrop point hunting etc

[junior grotto]

yeh sometimes it feels like they havn't locked something in, ie when losing

[grand bluff]

You're right. I find myself more interested when there's a variety of team to use/diff meta.

[supple epoch]

@junior grotto questionable forsure beta never know

[edgy bough]

Right now it’s def less than 1,000 lol

[edgy bough]

This is the way! I’m so ready for the hype next week 🚀

[placid portal]

is there any gain today's arena before pb4?

[edgy bough]

If you mean rewards then no.

[placid portal]

thanks for the info

[spring marsh]

hello guys. Are rewards still on pause?

[split egret]

Anyone up for a costom match?

[split egret]

Yes

[cloud gorge]

Hello, there is some bug with the Team Builder. Because everything I do, it shows me as Build Invalid. Any advice?

[junior grotto]

that's racist

[junior grotto]

add the right evolutions in

did you forget the smaller doggos?

[light thistle]

rewards still not working?

[turbid osprey]

They are intentionally paused

[velvet dome]

does invulnerability includes immune?

[hot pond]

No

[lyric knot]

My game is still in 0s

what i can do

i dont wanna lose points

[uncut comet]

top 200 players of arena , overworld & zero will get access to PB4 according to the Arcade x Illuvium Twitter Space

[worldly token]

at what time are the 200 taken? I just tested and played different teams since the payouts stopped (which is in my oppinion the better way to actually test a game), but I fell many places

I am super afraid to not get into the PB4 😅

[uncut comet]

hm they said no date but maybe u have another account in 200

[worldly token]

id also like to know what about accounts that played 25 games and ended up pretty high and then did not play anymore 😁 they should then get a place, but did not contribute a lot

[worldly token]

was two weeks on vacation.. coming back and still everyone playing revenant is just disappointing.. there are currently no rewards and people do not try out anything new

[vague karma]

haha, I feel your pain mate. Meanwhile I played tft and didn't like the meta there too

[split egret]

My eyes on multiple player mode

[placid portal]

any good line up for the pb4? hehehe

[noble radish]

So we're focused on other things at the moment, and there are definitely some changes we need to make to Ascendant but I'd like to talk to you about Gauntlet mode.

At least, what our plans are and how you can help shape it.

[worldly token]

I actually meant the players 😄 not the team at all! but thanks for the reply!

[noble radish]

I'll let you know what we are building and you guys can ask questions or make comments.

[worldly token]

gauntlet is the 8 player mode right?

[noble radish]

We're building the first 'no ownership required' game mode in the Illuvium ecosystem. You can just sign up on passport and play right away.

It will be a multiplayer shared deck game. The difference between us and Underlords/TFT is that we have a dedicated countering system built in (hyper) so that if there is a strong teamcomp, it will be nerfed through contesting but ALSO you can pivot to something that counters it and be much more rewarded for that than in those other game. Basically the idea is that it should be easier to build your favourite comp (not by much) but also it should be easier to counter other people's comps.

I'll take some questions about that first before I get into any details.

[worldly token]

sounds amazing! the way I understood it so far is that it is free to play but you can alter the chances of certain illuvials through ownership / bringing some illuvials to the game? Would that change the chances of the whole group of players or just mine?

another question: you said I can sign up on passport and play right away - the gauntlet mode?!

[old lark]

no, in the future. He just means it's a multiplayer version of the game where you don't need to own any ilv assets to play. So easy onboarding

[noble radish]

You can't alter the chance of things. Instead, if you own something, it will appear cosmetically different so that people see your cool stuff. And if you play the p2w version (Leviathan) then if you play things that you own, they will have more power based on the stats of the actual Illuvial you own.

Also you can't play it right now because we're building it, but when it's ready you won't need to own anything. just make an account.

[lime cloak]

definitely looking forward to try out the new Gauntlet mode, it sounds both fun and an easier mode to play, that will appeal to a much broader player base for sure.

Personally I have enjoyed the 1vs1 ascendant mode, and probably spend more time building team comps in team builder then actually playing... That is a style I like, but that's not for everyone. (I have also played and stutide alot of chess and can see some simularites to that type of "gamers")... so hope there will still be that element 😁

[worldly token]

I love that there will be a 1v1 mode and a fun multiplayer mode. I often game with a couple friends via discord and modes like gauntlet are perfect for that. Will we be able to queue as a group in casual games?

[noble radish]

Well, this version will be 'team builder: the game'

So in that sense I think many will find it more fun.

There's still room for both, but Ascendant is a bit slower and harder to pick up. This will appeal to a larger number I think.

[noble radish]

Yes.

You will have to group up with me though. That's obligatory.

[worldly token]

totally down for that 😄

[turbid osprey]

I think you guys should still take care of ascendent while building gauntlet. We never got to test the new mode with a proper balance state but im sure its very good. All we need to make it competitive is proper balance

I think its primordial that ascendant is in a competitive state for OB so that people see why they catch illuvials, buy fuel etc

I know the dev team is stretched thin but it would be better to take 6m to build gauntlet while taking care of ascendant than take 4m to build gauntlet and let ascendant die like its been for 2 months

First impression is very important and we are paying millions to lure people in very soon, we cant lure them in with an unbalanced ascendent. Its the core of the ecosystem

[noble radish]

We aren't not working on ascendant. We are just seeing how things shake out rather than overreacting.

In any case, the conversation I want to have is about what Gauntlet will be. There is plenty of time to talk about improvements for Ascendant.

[lime cloak]

I can see, that it's a though balance to strike... it sounds like Gauntlet appeal to a wider range of player, and easer to pick up, so its important to get ready and get in a good state for OB...

So hope we can get to test it out soon 😁 .. got a lot of questions in my head about it, but most will probably be answered once we get to see it or get a "walk though" of how the game mode will look like... but sounds very similar to TFT, which many would be familiar with.

[worldly token]

Illuvium really wants to enter the e-sports scene (with price money like no game ever had). Will this still be focussed on the 1v1 mode or will there at some points be tournaments for gauntlet aswell?

[kind wren]

To your main point of taking questions: Does a shared deck mean everyone has unlimited access to it or will a chosen card be taken out of play? Is it a similar gold system to tft? Will you still be punished for pivoting, with hyper being the reward? and are you able to pivot in any round? Will you have time for a full rework of your team each round? Will the timing and who you battle next come into play? Just a few for clarity

[noble radish]

That's a lot of questions:

Does a shared deck mean everyone has unlimited access to it or will a chosen card be taken out of play?

Everyone will have a shop, and they will pay a cost to refresh it. They buy items from it, and when you have something, it's out of the pool, meaning the odds of finding the same thing again are lower. This is very standard for the genre.

Is it a similar gold system to tft?

Quite close to Underlords and TFT for this part.

Will you still be punished for pivoting, with hyper being the reward?

That's the idea. In these games, if something is strong and you don't hit your units, you go last. In ours, because of hyper you can wait a bit longer before commiting to a team. It's easier to pivot, and you are rewarded for pivoting via hyper as you say. There is still a cost, in that you are selling units and have to roll for new things, but it will be better than other games. We think we can hit a balance of it being easier to hit your comps (good for new players) and more rewarding for pivoting (wreck people with hyper).

and are you able to pivot in any round?

You can change your board as much as you want outside of battle phases. Your limit is your money.

Will you have time for a full rework of your team each round?

Probably not unless you have really high APM and are great at the game. For most people it will be a smooth thing. But remember, we don't have discrete classes. We have composites, so you can "slide" into new comps pretty easily. Change your carry from steam to frost, and take out the fire and add the air units. etc...

Will the timing and who you battle next come into play?

It's not decide yet but one of the things we are trying is knowing your opponent for the next round. It's something other games have started to look at, and it's pretty interesting. It rewards better players for knowing how to adapt a board all the time.

[worldly token]

you said the limit is our money. This means there will not be a "level" system as in TFT which is limiting my units?

[noble radish]

There is a level system too. But that level is limited by money.

[dull wind]

Very cool, I think this is the way. I really don't have anything more to ask regarding Gauntlet. My only question is why not apply this concept to the ascendant mode and make it a no ownership required game as well?

[vivid stirrup]

i personally hope there is no micromanagement last second swap around positioning like in tft. that is the part i disliked the most. i got into this type of games because it doesnt require reaction speed etc., and this last second swap around team and positioning stuff felt stressfull
might be needed for high lvl skill expression tho?

[worldly token]

Absolutely agree. I like the "blind" setting up units

[dull wind]

Does this mean illuvials will have skins if we own them? 🤔
I would also add that owning illuvials would not only make them appear cosmetically different but it could also be a way for those illuvials to gain some XP.

[uneven raft]

HI, everyone, please explain, I scored 1383 points in the ranking and took 521st place this Monday, when should I receive the ILV?

[thin falcon]

I think there is no rewards yet right? Or already back?

[uneven raft]

According to this https://illuvium.io/news/rangers-get-ready-for-the-leaderboard-rewards "The snapshots happen at the same time weekly."

[noble radish]

The first iteration of it won’t have this. So we will see. It might make the game better to have it though. Probably we will try both.

[noble radish]

If you own them, they will be slightly different. If you own a holo or dark holo you’ll see that.

[edgy flower]

Personaly I really don't like the idea of building 1001 game mods at the same time be4 you will have at least one successful mode with consistently good balance and players base.

Qw about new mode:

1. How many players?
2. We need to upgrade units by finding 3 copies of the previous stage?
3. what exactly means a shared deck? There will be a diff set of available units every game?
4. we still will have to pick and equip some augments in this mod? Casual/legendary?
5. will there be a saving money system like pve now has, when you save some money you get more next turn?

[thick estuary]

@noble radish What about ranger weapons? There are a lot of them, will there be a separate store for them?
And what about bonding and unbonding.

[uneven raft]

Are rating rewards still given out?

[faint plinth]

Hello guys! How can i play the overworld

In the last 3 months i only played arena mode

[sonic phoenix]

hi 🙂
i had nice bug in arena and have some SS and video, where to share that? 🙂

[uneven raft]

Oh... i see

[zenith mortar]

Hit B in game

for the in game bug reporter

[sonic phoenix]

nice one thanks 😉

[golden gate]

gm🚀

[bronze spire]

Love what im hearing with gauntlet. Would also like to see the feature that shows who you vs next. Agree with most here that hate last second swaps, especially since it favours better latency way too much

[noble radish]

You'll know who you play (at least we will test it) but we aren't sure how much of the other player you will know. Possiibly just the board state of their previous round.

[bronze spire]

perfect, yea thats what i was referring to, seeing last rounds board vs seeing there change in placement real time

[noble radish]

I think it makes sense, but it could also be some bias on my part because I know what things our system can do easily and what it cannot do. Since we built the game to be a turn based thing, it is efficient but not 100% snappy. Doing real time updates would require some changes in architecture that I don't think are needed right now.

[bronze spire]

makes sense to me, great starting point and may actually be the better option

[split egret]

Sorry to say but illuvium took almost 1 year to make 1v1 mode and make it perfect balance, optimisation just to get replaced by multiple player mode 💀

[bronze spire]

not replaced. In addition. And that 1 year work is all being used for the new mode, I image its like 80-90% of the work done already

[split egret]

I think there still room for optimisation and balancing and it's should take time for better results 🙏🏻

[signal aspen]

hi

[empty berry]

👀

[placid portal]

Where? so i can study some for pb4

[olive hedge]

No, not at the moment they will be back in the future.

[heady arrow]

hey f

[worn tree]

Thanks Aaron for sharing this with us.

I do think that knowing next player but only disclosing former team comp allows the player to prepare for the round (significant skill expression), enables 1v1 mind games (preserving the 1v1 format shenanigans) and doesn't force players into stressful high APM plays and latency competition. To me this is the optimal approach and I am glad it's being considered.

My question:

Besides from cosmetics and lvling, would be cool that the illuvials/illuvial lines selected pre-game had some impact in terms of strength in the game.

[noble radish]

This is the case for the Leviathan version.

For the fully free to play version it obviously can't improve the strength of the units or it becomes pay to win.

[worn tree]

Imagine I am a random 9-5, I want to play gauntlet, I dont have any illuvials captured but there is a weekly free illuvial rotation and I pick pterodactyle line and rhino-beetle line.

Would be cool then if in game, these lines got stronger or cheaper or had any type of buff. In the mid-long term, once illuvials learn moves and passives, you could even equip these to the selected illuvial lines and in the autobatle, these illuvials cast these extra moves and apply their passives! That for me would be a massive differentiator to the genre competition and encourages the players to grind in the ecosystem for better moves and passives learnt on their illuvials! 😁

[worn tree]

Got it, thanks sir!

[worn tree]

Avoiding pay to win is desired, but I still think it would be massively cool that the illuvial lines selected in game got stronger. Maybe not based on the stronger stat illuvial you own, but based on a fixed value equal for all players.

You can wear only two illuvial lines, if you and I bring pterodacyle line, both will be equally strong. But we will have to own the line.

Balance this for non-ownership players is not that complex, with a free rotation illuvial line each week they get access to all tier of illuvials even without owning them. And also, this promotes game variability.

Imagine I am a random 9-5 player, I come week 1 and I test rha/earth doka, next week I come and I test the gameplay with rypter/slashin (because on week 1 these werent in the rotation), and on and on.

With this approach, we get free to play, not pay to win, we increase game variability (I cant stress how important this is for player retention) and we encourage illuvial ownership and grinding without knocking off the mass of players that dont want to take part into the capture game and just want some casual playing.

In my eyes this strat optimizes target audience and promotes ownership. Win win situation?

[noble radish]

It's 3am so this will have to be short, and maybe incoherent but here it goes:

The second you allow picked items to be stronger, you start to make people tunnel for those items because it throws off the probability values. Basically, if you know you are just as likely to get Rhamphyre as Ophisto, but you own Ophisto, you will tunnel to that. It makes for boring play.

However, if instead of having it be a small balanced feature of the game you say 'whatever you own gets stronger; (leviathan version) we aren't pretending that it's balanced. It's a true p2w version where the best strategy is to own everything and then ALL units you buy will be stronger.

This is the differentiation in the game. The free version: no units are stronger due to ownership. The p2w version: Anything you own can be stronger. Buy as much as you can.

That leviathan mode will be a really hard grind too, because the POWER increase you get, is based on the random combat stat modifiers of the units you own. So maybe you own everything in the game, but someone else owns better versions. They would have an advantage.

[worn tree]

Makes total sense and you have convinced me. I can't think of a way right now to avoid tunneling for my suggestion.

Thank you Aaron and take good rest when you can 🤝🏻🏆🔥

[edgy flower]

btw having a good free to play mode is incredibly cool to attract new non crypto audience

[uncut comet]

the f2p stuff ne to be so good and addictive to funnel the ppl into the web3 stuff and to give nfts and ownership purpose at the end of the day we wanna be web3 and dont copy web2

and i have the feeling like the illuvium team is the only who can make this

[worn tree]

I agree with you guys 🤝🏻

[obsidian moth]

did they even fill the arena? the rest of me and Tupack?

[obsidian moth]

there is no one here either, before the big game no one needs this arena?

[faint plinth]

Hello! I contacted the illuvium team requesting entry into the overworld via email and have not received a response, it has been over a day... what should I do?

[worn tree]

Illuvium will have to get chinese version quick 🤣 the asian market is insanely huge for us.

[static steeple]

Wait. These things take time

[zenith bough]

will there be filters for Illuvials stats on the Illuvidex? Seems like an important feature

[silver merlin]

Sign up for pb4 and wait till 30th and hope you are in

[worldly token]

nobody playing currently? cannot find games.

[safe valve]

I guess everyone is enjoying their free time, before the grind starts Next week

[azure palm]

is there a website where people have created ranked decks?

[noble radish]

I’m playing internally. At least, I’m playing a small app I built to simulate the shop in Gauntlet.

Turns out I get rugged in my own game. Low roll af.

[olive hedge]

when can the community expect to get a sneak peak of you playing Gauntlet?

[safe valve]

No Lore leaks...

[noble radish]

Not for a while. But we will sneak peak some of the base functions soon.

One of the tough decisions is Lynx. I don’t think there is going to be any perfect way, but I think I have an interesting one.

Basically each new match the Lynx changes, which means that when you buy it, it will fuse towards a particular on. (Water Fighter one match, Air Psion another, etc)

[plucky island]

hello guys. where i can read adescription of the all elements ?

[noble radish]

You meant the affinities? Like fire, water, earth, nature, and air?

[plucky island]

y

cant find wiki or smth like that

[safe valve]

Thats cool... The lynx thing

[noble radish]

We don’t have a lore based thing for it. At least not that I remember. They just… are.

If you mean “what does each do” then that exists.

All you need to know is “fire is the best”

[olive hedge]

illuvialmaster. com is a great place to find info about Illuvium

[noble radish]

The issue with it is for set 1 only Lynx is tier 2. So my solution to that is combine tier 1 and 2 roll odds together.

It’s a bit clunky but not really all that bad.

Since we have 6 tiers, it compresses it back to 5.

I think a small concession.

You guys will have to play and see how it goes. There’s some other stuff in the shop to help fill it out. It will be a slightly different experience to what you’re used to in other auto battlers.

[safe valve]

🤔... Why you need to do that?
Shop roll odds just on Tiers?
How you increase Stage?

Oh... OK nvm

[noble radish]

If we didn’t combine them, then you’d get 300 lynxes per match.

[cursive echo]

When is it available at the same time as pb4?

[noble radish]

It’s actually going to be ok I think. Lynx will cost 2, but have roll odds of 1. So it will be value for money.

[noble radish]

It won’t be available for pb4. It should be out a few months after open beta.

I’m trying to minimise those months.

[safe valve]

But if you habe just 1 Line each Match, odds are the Same as every other illuvial Line, no?

[noble radish]

But we will probably have it on testnet during open beta so people can test it out.

[safe valve]

The 2-3 who aren't grinding OB 24/7? 😂

[noble radish]

Yes but first you roll for the tier, then you pick a unit from in that tier.

If the only unit in tier 2 is Lynx, then roll odds of like 30% will just mean you get all lynxes.

[safe valve]

Oooh... now the Penny dropped

[cursive echo]

Who had the idea of a completely free new game mode? That's a great idea 🚀

[noble radish]

Kieran pushed it. I suggested a “low ownership model” and he said no ownership.

And I think it’s better this way. There is still a version where owning matters, but this could pull in a lot of people.

And we can get it on the app stores pretty quickly once we start on mobile.

[cursive echo]

good initiative you are the best not for nothing that we invest in you🤝 🔥

[noble radish]

I thought you invested because of my amazing good looks?

Has my reality just be shattered?

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-philip-j-fry-im-shocked-not-that-shocked-shocked-gif-5288945

[cursive echo]

yes you attracted me with your beautiful face 😂

[safe valve]

Was his Aquarium that pulled me in

[worn tree]

Chances are you will have to wait till Open beta

[worn tree]

This was a massive business decision to attract mainstream players. I find key tho to at least keep Leviathan mode as I believe most part of ILV revenue will come from OW collectors and secondary market buyers that want to show off in Leviathan modes. Those die hards will bring the real value to the game and will be the perma-players. High fidelity profiles 🤝🏻

Besides from uniqueness and IP strength, another massive attractor for players to Illuvium will be ranked rewards in the game modes. As a tryhard player in everything I play, I found really addicting the feeling of competing for smthing else than a rank. When a rank comes with monetized incentives, there is no going back.

[hoary mason]

OMG please tell me ranked 2v2 is coming

[noble radish]

@vernal forum

[vernal forum]

Dr spoon has no taste

Send updated pic

[vague karma]

less than 100 hours left to pb4

[fallen vortex]

U look good Aaron don't let the haters get to you

[devout thistle]

how can i check the leaderboard for ranked?

[plucky island]

play 10 games in ranked than unlock leaderboard on site

probably so, I don't know

[worn tree]

https://arena.illuvium.io/leaderboard?activeTab=ascendant

[devout thistle]

Thanks alot! Couldn't find this in the game nor website somehow. Might have missed it.

[vernal forum]

When will I be able to actually fight for eth

Like, I want to gamble my life savings away for a second time. But for eth.

[worn tree]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[prisma yarrow]

when fighting for ETH, I wish i could ban my highest counter, Phantom/ inferno, it can one shot my whole team, too much augment that increase OP

[vernal forum]

Wen fighting for eth?

SoonTM

[prisma yarrow]

Its crazy nobody above 1300 (ranked) is playing anymore, I played 5 games again this morning they were all 100-200 less points in ranking than me.

[split egret]

U up for a match?

[prisma yarrow]

what is your ranking

[split egret]

Does it matter?

[prisma yarrow]

i guess not so much

[autumn vessel]

I haven't entered illuvium in 2 months, does anyone have a deck that is in the game's current meta?

[split egret]

Costom👊

[prisma yarrow]

ok

you are creating it?

[split egret]

Cheak private message

[prisma yarrow]

lol I am such a noob discord user not sure how to do that

[split egret]

Bruh 💀

[prisma yarrow]

just go in CRNA95

[prisma yarrow]

you are Zora3

[split egret]

Yep

[prisma yarrow]

clumpsy win this

[split egret]

Agree

[prisma yarrow]

then needed one more second to link my ranger

[split egret]

D6HQ85

One more?

[prisma yarrow]

ouch lol my rota had 206 OP i though i was winning

cliumpsy again ouch

lol you hided it from begening

[split egret]

I'm getting lucky lol

[prisma yarrow]

well played

[split egret]

So next time I won't use that argument

[prisma yarrow]

if you had it first and you hided it from me, that was a good move

[split egret]

One more?

[prisma yarrow]

ok

[split egret]

U6FGC9

[prisma yarrow]

I will force you to play phantom, I have to find a way to beat it

[split egret]

Ok then

[prisma yarrow]

quantum nullifier

[split egret]

Hmm nice

Send me code

[prisma yarrow]

got to go but was nice to play with you

[split egret]

Cya

[placid portal]

is it possible for rank game auto search party?

[dawn estuary]

my opponent get -336 mmr points its bug or what?

[placid portal]

he left the game

[safe valve]

Was probably one of his first Games.
If i remember right the first 5 Games give massive points + or - to rank you in your strength

[limber beacon]

invalid team problem my deck help me

[worldly jolt]

Are these new decks or old decks? When were they first built?

[limber beacon]

There are some that are ready, I can't make my own deck, it gives an error.

[worldly jolt]

Sounds weird. Contact support.

Support does not work through discord.

Contact #❓❓〕support through the website shared in the #❓❓〕support channel. Or look for HELP(?) in the top menu of the illuvium website.

[faint plinth]

When the closed beta starts? what about the closed beta notification?

[umbral oracle]

The cool part about having it completely F2P is when players see other players characters with cosmetic effects, instead of them needing to purchase them off the developer they immediately get to purchase them off another player, and not necessarily a player of Arena either, more likely an Overworld player, which will then entice them to check out Overworld as well.

[edgy flower]

Would be cool to have an announcement with the discord timestamp of start pb4. Or even patch notes for all parts of the game 🙂

[worn tree]

Self marketing within the game. Once they enter the loop with 0 friction via 100% F2P Arena, they will be more likely to buy or farm our NFTs 🔥

[solemn tundra]

If Gauntlet F2P is any good, we will attract masses of TFT players into our universe, especially with the Airdrop still going on.

[mortal notch]

I think it's a nice idea. I just try to imagine a poor random gamer from the world, who finds Illuvium. If he\she finds out that they need to pay for play, most of them will think "nah, this is a game for rich guys, there are other games for me" and will have a general negative image of Illuvium going on and will spread it among their peers. But if they can play, no limits, they will get hooked (if the game is good), will be enticed to buy those shiny cosmetics (or catch them in the Overworld), cuz people love to swag, will find ways to make money to buy them, will find out about other games in Illuvium, may be will be able to make money in them, and will spread positivism around Illuvium. It's like football, you can play with your guys in your yard, no limits, same rules, same game, everyone can play, but if you want to play big, be on TV in a shiny uniform, you put in more effort and money.

[solemn tundra]

Yes, this plan will work like a charm.

[safe valve]

so illuvials are going to be skins for illuvials in gauntlet mode?

[split egret]

So all the illuvials are going to be free ?

[silver merlin]

T0

Idk if there are free shards to capture them tho(probably)

[safe valve]

in gauntled mode, it is planned to be like that

[silver merlin]

Really?👀

[split egret]

Bro imo all T0 should be free 😭

[safe valve]

seems so

[safe valve]

they are free to get with playtime everywhere in illuvium

[split egret]

So we cannot sell those illuvials in market that's sad 😿

Good for web2 players tho

[silver merlin]

You can sell them but they are probably pretty cheap

[safe valve]

yes you can 🙂
they just might be less worth, the more the game progresses

[split egret]

This is the thing I fear most

[silver merlin]

We will get new sets in time

[safe valve]

but probably not f2p

[silver merlin]

So new balance, maybe less popular/usefull ones are more popular/usefull then and price go up/down

[silver merlin]

Yeah oke fair

[mortal notch]

Are there already prototypes of how free illuvials will look like in the Gauntlet comparing with real NFT illuvials? Would be interesting to see. There should be striking difference, stimulating to buy/mint NFT illuvilals!

[split egret]

Imo if devs want to make have f2p friendly then there should be 2 different types of rank games but every thing will be the same. For example in f2p version players can access all the type of illuvials there will be same rank mode but it won't give you ILV reward. It will be just a rank game without reward. And then web3 version of rank games there will be ilv reward depends upon the rank you have. The main point of all this is web2 players can learn the game without even playing or buying illuvials with heavy price (if they think it's very expensive). If they want to earn or they think they are ready and gained enough knowledge to earn money by playing web3 version of arena they can buy those illuvials and play.

@safe valve what u think of my idea?

[silver merlin]

There is a training mode, I'm not sure if you can use all illuvials tho

[split egret]

But my idea is not bad right? 🙏🏻

It will be PvP or multiple player without reward

With all access

[silver merlin]

Maybe they can expand the tutorial(I haven't played it myself tho). But I don't think they should invest a lot of time in a mode like this. There will be enough content creaters where they can see/learn the game

[split egret]

If you want to ride a bike you can learn by seeing other how they ride but when you ride the bike on your own it is more practical and quick to learn by knowing your mistakes

[silver merlin]

But this isn't a bike it's a multiple games connected to each other, you will discourage people from playing overworld and thus ilvzero

[split egret]

Yeah maybe you are right 👍🏻

[silver merlin]

But I agree that there should be a trainings/casual mode. I also heard there will be free rotations so that might be a good temporary solution

[umbral oracle]

You could call them skins. They will have unique cosmetic look

[umbral oracle]

Yeah thats the idea, there will be two modes. Both have decks that players draw from but one will give you stat bonuses for owning illuvials and the other will be purely cosmetic

[split egret]

Yes I knew it my idea is not that bad thanks for the response 🙏🏻🔥

[bronze spire]

both modes will be 8 player mode?

[umbral oracle]

Yes

[bronze spire]

So gauntlet 8 players cosmetic only. Ascendant 8 player stat bonuses from NFTs. And leviathon 1v1 using NFTs?

Or no more 1v1

[safe valve]

That's what i also wished for.
But according to aaron there will be high rewards in gauntlet mode aswell, maybe not ranked but big tournaments idk. They are still in design phase of gauntlet, so many things can change.

[safe valve]

2 gauntlet modes?

[dull wind]

I really don't get what's the confusion, ofc there's 2 gauntlet modes like there are 2 modes for the current arena. F2P and P2W. Albeit the ascendant arena is not entirely F2P since you need to own the nft, but they don't have stats.

F2P gauntlet and ascendant arena shouldn't have ILV rewards IMO

and we wouldn't even need weekly free rotation of illuvials if the games were F2P

[dull wind]

In light of recent conversations, here's a a new thread:
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1234494394846154825

looking forward to your feedback

[bronze spire]

i thought P2W was still 1v1. I dont mind it being 8 man, just had never been said

[dull wind]

Aaron said it. The moment you get stronger illuvials from the shop by owning them, that's P2W.

[bronze spire]

So why did he say himself a keiren debated if gauntlet should be F2P or P2W? Why wouldnt he just say we are doing both

[dull wind]

they debated whether or not it would be fully F2P, not about having 2 modes

[bronze spire]

maybe he said it somewhere else, cant see it in arena chat

[bronze spire]

you just said ofc theres 2 gauntlet modes. Implying its obvious. Just saying there was no indication until kieran just said it

[dull wind]

Aaron said it

[bronze spire]

where? can only see him saying there is a new version 8 man gauntlet F2P. And that there is a P2W version called leviathon

[dull wind]

yes you'll have a leviathan version for the Gauntlet like you have for the Ascendant arena

[bronze spire]

So there is still ascendant?

[dull wind]

ugh why wouldn't there be?

[elder ore]

what is leviathan version of ascendant?

[bronze spire]

making sure we are on same page. So you are saying there is 2 version of gauntlet and 2 version of ascendant?

[dull wind]

illuvials stats matter

[dull wind]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[bronze spire]

this seemed to me like it wasnt referring to a gautlet version

could easily be referring to leviathon as it would be right now, 1v1

[dull wind]

well that's why one needs to read things in context, he was referring to the Gauntlet

[bronze spire]

im not saying you are wrong btw, just saying its not obvious at all haha

[bronze spire]

why not just saying we have 2 new versions. Both 8 man gauntlet 1 will be cosmetic only other you will get stats

[dull wind]

I mean I understood it pretty clearly that way, dunno what else to say

[bronze spire]

i also thought leviathon was where you could play for eth?

[dull wind]

what's that supposed to mean?

[bronze spire]

and ascendant mode was never going to F2P as it is now

[dull wind]

we've been playing for ILV rewards in ascendant all this time

[bronze spire]

whast the difference between ascendant and leviathon?

[dull wind]

supposedly this 🐳

[safe valve]

standard stats (ascendant) and real stats(leviathan)

[bronze spire]

oh so both still only what NFTs you own but 1 is real stats

[safe valve]

yes

[bronze spire]

i thought ascendant was going to be NFTs you own and leviathon was like gambling for Eth hahah

like hardcore mode

[silver merlin]

Well it kinda is

[bronze spire]

"fight for eth"

[silver merlin]

Idk about the eth part tho

I think we went away from that

[safe valve]

gambling for eth is not supported from illuvium since a long time, because of legal stuff of different countries

[bronze spire]

Thats a lot of game modes

[safe valve]

#1233768393291730985 message

[silver merlin]

Pls no betting, then I can't play

[dull wind]

please some1 explain to me how not giving access to a game(1v1 arena) unless you own NFTs is a good game design choice

[silver merlin]

That's the whole premise of the interoperability of all the games

One of the reasons I chose for this project

[dull wind]

right... Gating entry to games 🤣

[silver merlin]

You can get t0 for free

[dull wind]

amazing

IZ is also F2P

[silver merlin]

If you discovered this now you didn't do enough research😂

[silver merlin]

It wasnt before, they only lately decided to do that. That's why it's delayed

[dull wind]

that's wrong. The team said F2P didn't affect the IZ development

[silver merlin]

Then what's the holdup?

[dull wind]

mainly the blockchain part

[silver merlin]

Alpha ended in february

[dull wind]

but this is derailing my point

tell me how gating games from players is a good game design

[safe valve]

it might be good, it might be bad.
But if you make an f2p mode of every game, where people just get like godmode would be a huge pivot of what Illuvium would be intended to be.

[dull wind]

so IZ F2P is godmode?

Godmode is having all illuvials max stats when others don't

[safe valve]

no

[silver merlin]

It incentives people to play the other games. Otherwise they are done with arena in a few days when they are sick of the meta. What you already see now with the God accounts

[dull wind]

I thought what Illuvium intended to be was a game with mass adoption

[dull wind]

leviathan arena hello?

[silver merlin]

That's only for the whales

No web2 has money for that

[dull wind]

oh but they have money to buy NFTs?

just not the best

[silver merlin]

So that's not leviathan??

I dont get your point

You know you don't have to buy the nfts right? You can capture them too in overworld or wait for a new free rotation. You think people in league have all the 2-300 champs in their collection?

[dull wind]

you said web2 has no money for leviathan but they will have to buy the NFTs as well for the ascendant. How much will a rhamphyre cost? Is it for Web2?

[dull wind]

and don't you have to pay to capture them?

[silver merlin]

You don't have to buy them That's the whole point. You play the other games, which in long term is more revenue so win win

[dull wind]

you capture them with stats but then you're only able to play them with standardized stats unless you go to the whales league. Talk about downgrading.

[silver merlin]

What does that matter? You want leviathan available for everybody or what are you saying?

[bronze spire]

going to be interesting to see gauntlet leviathon. 8 players needed for a game is a lot

[dull wind]

ascendant for everyone not leviathan

[silver merlin]

Well that's what I'm saying?

Im so confused

[dull wind]

I'm confused now

you changed ur mind or what?

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-math-gif-26401710

[silver merlin]

All of this is hard to teller without fuel prices and spawn rates as well

[silver merlin]

No

[dull wind]

I don't see how this is related but ok

[silver merlin]

??? Its simple math. If Web2 average spent 70 dollar on a game a month and fuel is too high and spawnrates too low its not worth it to get a good collection to play arena

Isn't that your whole point that everybody can play the game?

[turbid osprey]

Well theres the other casual 8 player mode that will be free and even for the ascendant you can play for free with the free rotation. Only thing is that your deck wont be too good

[dull wind]

you realize that for that to be the average it's like a couple individuals paying thousands of dollars per month and the majority nothing.

[silver merlin]

Yes

[lean ivy]

So here is my understanding of it:

1.) Guantlet 8 person mode with 2 sub modes:
a.) totally free to play but if you own illuivals it will add cosmetic effects optionally
b.) Owning illuvials grants stat bonuses
2.) Ascendant 1v1 Have to own NFT OR use free rotation to supplement team OR Free teams. Stats are normalized
a.) casual
b.) Ranked
3.) Leviathan - Have to own NFTs and individual stats matter.

Correct me if I am wrong..

Also the Game sub council last epoch put a lot of thought about the NFT barrier and we believe the free rotation should make it accessible and be a good intro into the web3 side

[silver merlin]

Yeah that's what I'm trying to say haha

[dull wind]

That's it. In the arena since we have multiple genres it's not critical what I was saying regarding the game access to all. You can also add the survival mode in there.

[solemn tundra]

The skin idea is pretty cool.

Mainstream gamers are already used to paying for skins, but in our case they will soon find out that these "skins" aren't just cosmetic, but they can use them in P2W modes and make money on the leaderboard.

A perfect path to get mainstream used to ownership and paying for assets.

[jagged pulsar]

Hello guys. So let me understand. I can loot something playing ? Good player win something ? How is the ranked system? I’m only playing vs IA

[dull wind]

Rather than illuvials getting some cosmetic I would make them simply the way we know them. And the F2P assets be something akin to holograms.

[plucky island]

guys i have question every 4-5 game i had bug, one time i cant give item and i stuck, now i just stuck in picking card when my enemy player playing like a normal
idk how to play 3-4 games just lose from bugs, playing for 8-12 pts and lose 21
have sreens but i didnt find channel with bug report

[safe valve]

Hit "b" ingame

Or #❓❓〕support

[worldly jolt]

I suspect that Eventually the idea will once again be to reward the top ranked 1000 (?) pvp ascendant arena players.

[fair hemlock]

Lets also make every new game, illuvicart, illuvium beyond TCG and maybe a battle royale be F2P. Remove more and more reasons to buy Illuvials! 😄

I dont like the 8-player gamemode to be "totally free to play". It feels similar to hearthstone battlegrounds, which is the only gamemode i played. Worst part is; is isnt monetized by blizzard at all.

Team should think hard about how to keep the illuvials valuable. As making games totally free to play, with all assets available to them will reduce the player's fervor to buy Illuvials.

-if you are guaranteed to lose to people who do own them, the game becomes unplayable as well. But then look back to the actual Arena. That has a F2P aspect to it. Cant they just reuse that? Play the gauntlet cup with 0-stat T0s only. Or be required Illuvials to play with more powerful T0s and any T1-T5s at all.

Id seriously doubt that people will play the 1v1 gamemode competitively for, idk, X or 500$? If they can have more variation and fun playing the 8-player gamemode practically for free.

But i am probably jumping to conclusions here. Im looking forward to the actual GDD coming out and an in-depth guide on what the plan is to be shared. Heck, how about an in-depth guide on anything in this ecosystem? An official economy and game-overview document would be appreciated by everyone in the community.

[silver merlin]

I agree with you but they do monetise battlegrounds with a battlepass and cosmetics. I know they arent necesarry to play but just wanted to inform everyone

[safe valve]

When official Wiki!

[scarlet spindle]

So this kid inherits a fortune, goes a buys a lambo. (whale buying the best stat NFTs)
He pulls up to an old guy in a mustang. (player who has put in work grinding and knows all the things)
The kid issues a challenge. (Leviathan, full stats matter)
The light turns green, the kid floors it, smokes his tires, barely takes off. The guy in the mustang jumps off the line and is gone!

The moral of the story: Just because you are not a whale with all perfect stat illuvials, doesn't mean you can't win if you are really a good player.

[plucky island]

tommorow will reset mmr because beta4? or wat can someone explain please

[zenith bough]

No resets for ranks

My feeling is the reset button has been lost. They are waiting for a shipment from china with a new button. The last shipment got lost on sea, so it takes a while

[gentle bronze]

most people will likely play ascendant anyways so I'm not sure it matters much

[cloud flax]

New Illuvials !? nice

[zenith mortar]

Fixed the Spore/Inferno images

Refresh should be good

Ping me if you guys see anything else

[dull wind]

the tutorial section of the OW patch notes is incomplete.

[zenith mortar]

lol

oops

one sec

[woven flint]

arf this patch note makes me realize that we still didn t get rid of the autobattler in overworld yet as we still have to go to an encounter :/

[worn tree]

Great patch

[zenith mortar]

Thanks

[worn tree]

It tackles everything that was needed. Thanks! Can't wait to play arena!!!

[worldly jolt]

That is correct.

[west quartz]

Does survival leader board get illuvium payouts?

[worldly jolt]

No

[west quartz]

So only ranked battle?

[worldly jolt]

At the moment there are no ILV rewards.

[west quartz]

I didn't know that stopped. Was trying to figure out why i got a random ilv payment lol

[worldly jolt]

Gotcha. There was leaderboard rewards for pvp ascendant mode. But not right now.

[west quartz]

April 17th payment lol

[worldly jolt]

Probably for the last week in March. Or something. 🤷

[west quartz]

Was that when it ended?

[ocean junco]

How to disengage bond / unbond with ranger without selling the illuvial? I saw viper just disengaged the bond with scoriox. and just changed to other illuvial

[vale lantern]

Is there in PB4 still just one Lynx playable in arena? And is the redo button implemented again?

[faint plinth]

"The first batch of access will go out to the top players of Illuvium: Zero, Overworld, Arena, and Beyond who have registered for Private Beta 4" That's what we like to hear!! 🫡 🚀

[worldly jolt]

We may not have ever gotten that one.

[zenith mortar]

Will do

[worldly jolt]

Shoot. I don’t care. I’m not in the list. lol

[worldly jolt]

Found it. #📣〕announcements message march 28 was the final snapshot

[wicked cloak]

Ooo who said this v

[faint plinth]

The #📣〕announcements hahaha...

[hasty tree]

i register now for beta 4, i can play tomorrow ?

[faint plinth]

Now we are talking 🏄

[hasty tree]

how it works? how many subscribers? How many will be called?

[safe valve]

• Pb4 is Limited to 10k Players
• Player registered with an E-Mail where they have already played previous betas have increased odds.
• 500 people with most played hours get the first Spots.
• an unknown number of Spots is going to be raffled by different content creators, Partners and collabs

Rest ist pretty much random draws out of the people who registered.

[umbral oracle]

and new games 😉

[cyan olive]

When would you have seen that? 👀

[zenith mist]

love the arena changes with this recent patch, looks very promising 🔥

[cursive echo]

yes there are a lot of changes thank you for the up of my favorite illuvial

@cyan olive the return of the bird terror ?🙏

[cyan olive]

I hope

[safe valve]

4 sec blind 600 op dmg...
It really is the "nightmare" illuvial... Not just by looks

[safe valve]

With wildfife + predator synergy and some lifeleech could end up as hardcarry?

[fallen vortex]

Does Spore now always have air? Or only if its dominant?

[fallen vortex]

With the addition of Dust u can now make a blind team, and I expect it to be dumb as hell in all the right ways

Shield duration not reduced enough

needs to be 3.5 or 3

[ocean junco]

I rewatched. You bonded your ranger to a dokka and sold it. I thought you were bonding either with taotopee or scoriox

[cyan olive]

yeah you always have to sell to change bonding

[tight bluff]

How patch notes looking Bois?

[twilit storm]

@safe valve 3 inferno 3 phantom 2 revenant 2 wildfire 2 predator 5 fire 5 rogues

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-iron-man-gif-14282225

[safe valve]

Sounds like a solid plan

[jolly whale]

All the damage

[twilit storm]

The nightmare team

[hollow orbit]

Is the maximum number of Ascension Tokens that can be stored in the next round still limited to one? Or can I keep as many as I haven't used?

[jolly whale]

I like these arena changes, can't wait to try them

[worldly token]

just woke up - am super excited! is the patch for arena already live or do we need to wait till the emails go out for pb4?

[placid portal]

Why is that i can play arena now?

[worldly token]

you can play arena on epic games store

[worldly jolt]

Because beta 3 has been available to play by anyone that wants to for months now.

[placid portal]

Didn't know hahaha. so tomorrow there will be a reset?

[zenith mortar]

It’s a different build completely. PB4 is private for a month then PB3 won’t be a thing anymore.

[worldly jolt]

No.

[plucky island]

If the hp of unites was not reduced, and all the classes cut as well as the elements, the game goes out increases its average duration. And such a question, with the current selection of players to play 20+ minutes for 5-10 rating, how can you catch up with people from the top 100?
And at the moment the game came to Fatigue, what will happen now when all the damage cut? Who has more tanks and won?

People who have a rating will play their 15 games and will continue to sit in the top, and people who have 1200-1400 how can at least 1600 get?

If not changed

In my understanding it would be better to do a rating reset and recalibration, then the online play would be higher and a lot more people to search.
Well or raise the required number of games to 25-30 per week

Even with a winrate of 60-70% you may not increase in ranking, because you play for 7-12 pts, and if you suddenly lose, takes away everything you earned for 2-3 games

[worldly token]

there are currently no rewards - so why bother? just have fun while playtesting the game. With open beta there will most likely be a reset anyway

[light thistle]

when will send email of testnet?

[worldly token]

ca 13 hours from now - see announcements

[elder ore]

@zenith mortar whole dropbear line doesnt have OP calculated in teambuilder info. Not sure where to report this

also Monarch line omega damage is not same as its written in PatchNotes

[zenith mortar]

If you could create a bug report, you can do through #❓❓〕support and then I will chase up whats different in the Patch notes

[elder ore]

will do thanks! wasn't sure if its support-worthy thing

[zenith mortar]

always good for tracking purposes

[worldly token]

I didn't even know I can mess with the teambuilder in testnet already - thanks 😄 this helps me get through the day until pb4

[elder ore]

thats exactly what I was doing 😄

just to be sure, patch 0.4.0 wont be available on PB3, right? PB3 is stuck at last 0.3.x patch

[zenith mortar]

Correct

[worldly token]

oh really? that is unfortunate 😄 meaning if you don't get in you have to watch streams all day

[jolly whale]

Will suck to sit on the sidelines, hopefully not tho

[serene lance]

Theres 10000 people getting in, any active person here should be fine tbh

[worldly token]

but there will not be 10k from the start

[spare frigate]

looks like dejavu coming back to haunt me from hell O.O

[turbid osprey]

What is the max you can hold now, is it always +1 of what you currently receive?

[worn tree]

Good question

[dull wind]

Since there's no reference to it, I would assume it would stay as it was.

[wide aspen]

There never was a "max" that you can hold. It's just that you can carry over only 1 token/round (this has not changed).
So before this update, the "max" you could have was 1 (Carried over) + 2 (Max tokens that you could get per round) + however more you got from selling s3 units (no limit on that).
After this update, without selling s3 units, you can carry over 1 token + the 3 you get per round after second Legendary Bidding Phase, which leads to 4. But again, 4 is not the max. You can sell 6x s3 units, and receive 6 Ascension Tokens. This + the 3 you received for the round + 1 carried over can lead you to 10. I guess that max possible tokens you can get to is 1 (carried over) + 3 (received per round) + 8x s3 units sold -> 12 tokens (But that was probably not the question).
The only main rule is that you can carry over one single Ascension Token per round. But there is no limit to the number of Ascension Tokens you can have.

[worn tree]

Excellent explanation. I wonder what is the rationale from preventing players to carry over more tokens between rounds.

[wide aspen]

The main reason is to avoid complete comp-switching. We don't want players to play a strong early game comp the first 4 rounds and then completely swap in the 5th round to a mid/late game comp (which has happened in the past) without paying a high price for it. With the new MP and Ascension Tokens balancing, players should be able to swap a few units if the match gets to Round 7 or 8, but not the whole comp.

[hoary pond]

That sounds good
It hitted me a few days ago in a game where the opponent switched it completely and I couldn´t react to it.
I guess that will make it much more fair to play

[worn tree]

Great, thanks!

[grave fjord]

i need a key to play 🥲

[placid portal]

finally got 800 dang 3 days stayed at 700

[mortal notch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-26344462

[grave fjord]

meanwhile, have some guys with key and they dont have a pc to play feels bad man 🥲

[worldly jolt]

No one has the key/code yet.

Don’t spread false information. Thats against the #✍〕rules

On April 30th 21:00 UTC or in your timezone <t:1714510800:F> start to look for an email sent from [e-mail] that contains a key/code. The key/code will need to be copy and pasted into the epic game launcher to redeem. These emails will be sent out gradually over several days. Links are scams. Don’t click links from emails.

[grave fjord]

have a guy on general chat, said have the invite. and ca't play because the pc dont have a graphic card

im not spread any false information..

[worldly jolt]

Please show me

[grave fjord]

#💬〕general message

[worldly jolt]

They are just playing beta 3 build.

[grave fjord]

yeah i need play to

[worldly jolt]

Anyone can download that from the epic game store for many months now

[grave fjord]

its about the beta im talking about

[grave fjord]

gimme acess to play 🥲

[worldly jolt]

Beta 3 is wide open to the public.

No key needed

Beta 4 is just about to start and you need a key.

[grave fjord]

don't need that email? i din't recive it

[worldly jolt]

If you want to try beta 3 today just go to illuvium.io and click PLAY NOW

that will take you to the public download page on the epic game store.

[zenith bough]

@vernal forum how’s the beta?

[worldly jolt]

That’s for beta 4 access

Beta 3 is the old previous build. Anyone can play that.